Limb Lengthening Forum

I have no idea about how HGH works because I came late for that topic to be a thing for me lol .
Your plan seems reasonable to me , I would just maximize HGH if I was you , in order to grow as much as possible and save some cms on the surgery so I would not rush the surgery for no reasons .
By average , you probably mean your national average because to reach the global one you would be all set with a 5 cm femur lenghetning .
I'm from Europe too a nd waiting for the next weight bearing nail as well for a 5.5/6cm femur lenghetning.
May I ask what doctor you would like to go to ?

I have no idea about how HGH works because I came late for that topic to be a thing for me lol .
Your plan seems reasonable to me , I would just maximize HGH if I was you , in order to grow as much as possible and save some cms on the surgery so I would not rush the surgery for no reasons .
By average , you probably mean your national average because to reach the global one you would be all set with a 5 cm femur lenghetning .
I'm from Europe too a nd waiting for the next weight bearing nail as well for a 5.5/6cm femur lenghetning.
May I ask what doctor you would like to go to ?

HGH is essentially a natural hormone in your body which stimulates growth. If your growth plates are open you can take synthetic HGH to increase your height. This can be done if you have low HGH levels. If you do not have low HGH levels and/or your growth plates are closed, it can cause serious complications and growth will not occur.

I will see a public endocrinologist soon to see if I can get some extra HGH. It would be a nice top-up to what I am getting privately (and it should hopefully boost my height). The private endocrinologist deals more with HGH for aesthetic reasons rather than diagnosing problems.

Yeah, by average I mean my country's average.

It is better to wait for the weight-bearing STRYDE nail. It appears to be the best one so might as well go for it.

I am thinking of going to Paley due to his experience. What about you?

Paley does one leg and Robbins does the other. That’s why the surgery only takes about 1 hour for femurs and 1.5 hours for tibias. None of us could tell which doctor did which leg unless we asked. Robbins is very experienced with internal nails too. So 100k is “Paley + Robbins” price. Followups will be with Paley if you have serious problems. In my opinion that’s all that matters since small problems can be resolved by any doctors, but we want a very experienced doctor to be there to solve complex issues. However I feel they should let patients know about this during consultation. I least I didn’t know Paley would only operate one leg until the surgery day, which made me feel bad for a moment.

Having this sitting height and torso length has its pros and cons. When I am sitting down it can be quite fun to watch people trying to guess my height. I've been mistaken for being 6'3-6 so many times when I'm at a club. The reactions are definitely quite interesting to watch, but some are pretty brutal  .

Girls love to wear my XL hoodies which is always a fun conversation starter. However, I have a tall person problem without actually being tall. My head touches the ceiling of many cars while I sit down and seats in trains and planes are usually a bit too small.

Thanks for your advice. I will be contacting a GP tomorrow so I can get a referral to an endocrinologist. I started taking low HGH dosages privately and saw a 0,5cm increase in 6 weeks. You might be correct when it comes to the third option. I did not have a major growth spurt during "puberty" years. Instead, I saw linear growth which was constant since childhood.

I can't exactly do both high-dosage HGH and cover the quadrilateral surgery as 1-2 years of high-dosage HGH will basically cost the same as the surgery itself here.

I will see if I can get for cheaper/free in the public healthcare system by presenting evidence of the MRI scan, the doctor's letter stating that growth occurred with 6 weeks of HGH, and stating that I am currently on 0.023mg/kg/day of HGH which is considered a "low" dosage.

I am doing this without telling anyone (and I am therefore self-funding it) as I will be branded a lunatic by family members .

You should absolutely put your money towards treating any HGH deficiencies or any other such hormone-related problems, first. It's very likely you won't even need LL if you're treated correctly. I unfortunately didn't address my precocious puberty growing up, and as a result, I lost out on 5-6 inches that I need LL to regain. If you work quickly, you might be able to avoid this mistake & LL entirely.

Hey fellow European! I decided to update this thread.

After taking Human Growth Hormone (HGH) also known as Somatropin, my height increased from 5'7 to 5'8 with consistent use since October. My dosage has increased from 3IU to 6IU.

I will maximise my growth (projected to hit 178-181cm which is 5'10-5'11), I will then then pay for bilateral femurs (4cm gain) at the Schoen clinic under Dr Ian Bacarese-Hamilton for a final 6'0-6'1 height. I am assuming that my growth plates will not close before 5'10-11. If they do not, I will only do 4cm femurs as the recovery is fantastic relative to 5cm+.

Surgery should occur in the summer of 2024.

I was fortunate enough to learn about LL when I was 18. I was able to discover that my legs did not grow for whatever reason so I'm able to maximise my growth while they're still open. I am even likely to get free HGH as I will see an endocrinologist in the public system in the first week of April!

My ideal scenario would be growth plates closing at 6'1, but if I get 5'10-5'11 I'll consider myself blessed.

Let me know how the surgery goes! What are your reasons for doing LL? Do you have a thread which I can follow? You got this brother!

First thing: you have an Operation Wildfire medal as your pfp, glad to see other CSGO players xD

Yeah I was really lucky in this aspect, the leg ones are the first growth plates to close. Then the upper-body follows and ends at the spine. THEORETICALLY I have 2-3 years until all growth plates close, so fingers crossed that I will reach my goal without surgery!

I was actually misdiagnosed by the radiologist. He claimed that they were closed (but they looked open) so I got a second opinion. The other radiologist claimed that they were open so I disputed the diagnosis. After the review, it was found that they were actually open. So I am quite lucky!

I wonder if I'll be lucky enough for it to close at 6'1 (theoretically it can close now, which is less than ideal). If that happens, I will probably use the surgery money for tooth whitening and other stuff.

However, I was unlucky in another aspect: I was projected to hit 6'3 until I was 10. However, I never had a growth spurt so I continued to grow linearly. Growth patterns are usually linear, then the growth spurt occurs and then it stops. In my case, there was no growth spurt so I kept growing linearly until 5'7, so my bone age is actually in the 14-15 region.

I am stretching, sleeping properly, and exercising a lot as I saw some medical journals claiming that it helped with maximising growth. I am also drinking a lot more diary products (milk, cheese, supplements, yoghurts, etc.) as it resembles the Dutch diet. They must be doing something correct as it's clearly working for me.

My reason for LL was because I live in a tall region in Europe so I get mocked over it ("Napoleon complex"). If I reached 6'1 I'd be above average and would be taken much more seriously socially, romantically and career-wise. I see this as an investment as taller people earn more according to international studies so I'll make my money back eventually.

Once you get in college it starts to bother you as there are so many tall guys. As soon as college started, that's when I started the LL research. And here I am now.

Do you have specific goals for tibia and femurs? Btw do you plan on creating a diary?

I haven't played in ages but do you want to have a match sometime? It'd be fun xD

I feel like genetics is the ceiling, the growth itself can be affected by the environment (exercise, nutrition, stress, sleep, stretching, and sun exposure).

That's a very interesting case, some people grow so quickly in a matter of months! I'm really excited for next year as I'll be able to tell whether I hit my goal or not. I guess I'm young enough to brush it off as a late growth spurt. I feel like people demonise you for using HGH / doing LL surgery, Messi is a prime example of being mocked for HGH.

6'1 would be so sweet, I'm burning all my savings so I can reach that goal. Let's see how it goes I suppose!

8cm on femurs + 8cm on tibiae is a very ambitious goal. Are you not concerned about the side effects? Have you considered something along the lines of Paley's option 5 (https://limblengthening.org/lengthening-strategies/)? It would be a lot safer than 2 surgeries!

Fair enough buddy. Have you considered doing 4cm femurs 4cm tibia 2x? You’d be able to see if 16cm is really for you! I’m only concerned that you might get an injury from 8cm at once in a bone. Look after your health! 4cm in each segment with HGH, hydrotherapy and a good diet twice sounds a lot safer. Dr Ian said that 4cm as a one-off is possible without complications. Best of luck with your journey!

I'd rather minimize the # of surgeries I get if possible. The doctor I'm going with said he doesn't insert 4 nails at a time for obvious reasons, and going through two LL surgeries in less than a month's span seems pretty traumatic to me.