Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: fivetenneeded2016 on December 12, 2020, 03:37:29 PM
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Hi guys,
I am back again on this forum. I have recovered to a point where i can jog, workout and have my regular routine. I havent played sports or had a fast sprint, and I plan not too for another few years although my xrays taken early this year show that the bones have healed.
Xrays and scars.
http://imgur.com/a/RvJLRWe
Flashback: I did more than 8cm with atl under dr pili/catagni, therefore I wouldnt tell how much i lengthened exactly- as it might be risky otherwise, and i dont want to be an example of it. I was on ex-fix for around 16 months(which id quite good for how much i had lengthened, against the odds). My bones were quite quick in terms of regenerating, as I walked a lot. I went back to work(desk job) in about 2 weeks post op- which wasnt easy- too much swelling om the legs, less time on stretching. As a learninhg, I would spend more time stretching this time.
I walked 2 hours every day(from a month post op, except for the atl phase) till frame removal. Therefore sped up my consolidation to the point i could even mildly jog with frames at 11 month mark.
My "run forest, run" moment.
http://imgur.com/a/iTeFx6E
I can jump, but havent tried being explosive. I can stand on my toes too easily..I confirm these are not the side effects as people mention on this forum for ATL(when done right). Although I could say I got very slightly pronated feet which doesnt really bother at all, but may have an impact if I were to say run or sprint. I read it makes you susciptible to falling.?
I was one of the super short guys- close to 160cm initally. It made quite a difference in my life positively which lead to believe I could hit my full potential after my second LL.
I have booked my surgery with Dr Betz due in few months.
In the meanwhile I am here just jotting down questions that i plan to ask betz during our meeting. One of the interesting topics was about Reverse Planning to avoid axial deviation. Other was about the stability of betzbone- on which i would like to ask him about the improvements done over the years and the statistics of failure post that.
Please let me know other points that I could ask the doc for my inital consultation.
Why doc betz- planning 8+ again.(I would stop documenting my distraction post 8cm, to avoid being a bad example). Doc Pili is charging 52.5 for stryde, but I wanted more than 8cm, and he is also suggesting LON for 20k but I dont want an external this time(I have terrible scars from the tibias already lol)
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That's great to hear man, your run is looking decent. Best of luck on your second cll journey and keep us updated! :)
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Hi, good luck with your journey. But do research up on the lawsuits on Betz and his nail.
I wouldn't buy a car model which is soon to be discontinued or worse yet, the company is going to stop producing cars altogether.
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Hi fiveten,
Did you need to have tendon lengthening or any other soft tissue releases for your tibias?
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Hi, you wrote you have booked your surgery with Betz in a few months but it seems you haven't met him yet for consultation. Is that correct?
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Hi, you wrote you have booked your surgery with Betz in a few months but it seems you haven't met him yet for consultation. Is that correct?
Thats correct. I have booked it through Yvonne. My consultation and surgery is the same week.
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That's great to hear man, your run is looking decent. Best of luck on your second cll journey and keep us updated! :)
thanks man, it was around march 20190. I can jog faster without frames lol.
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Hi fiveten,
Did you need to have tendon lengthening or any other soft tissue releases for your tibias?
Yes if read my diary, I had ATL.
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Hi, good luck with your journey. But do research up on the lawsuits on Betz and his nail.
I wouldn't buy a car model which is soon to be discontinued or worse yet, the company is going to stop producing cars altogether.
Any link to the lawsuit?
I would just want to see one under 30 male with decent bone generation who hasent recovered under Dr Betz.
I wouldnt sell my stocks of a company thats going well(going by data) but is rumoured to be shut down(without data) :)
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Using betznail, a mechanical obsolete nail and lengthening mire than 8cm is not a wide decision imo.
Stryde is by far superior, offers easier lengthening and faster rehabilitation. 8 cm are enough but almost risky, more than that is most of the times a recipe for problems.
But you'll see if your body can handle it, my main concern is betznail which, like guichetnail, are craps compared to stryde, and also I don't trust Betz that much.
He let his patients lengthen as much as they want without caring about the problems that will have.
I remember Tall on the other site who lengthened 10cm on femurs with Betz and had permanent knee pains after that and all the doctors he went told him the reason was the excessive lengthening.
Anyway, I wish you luck and to think again about the nail and the doctor you are going to use.
Be sure that you know what you do.
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Thats correct. I have booked it through Yvonne. My consultation and surgery is the same week.
That's interesting. So do you plan to pay for the surgery before meeting Dr. Betz or can you wait with payment until after the consultation? Did you already get an invoice?
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Using betznail, a mechanical obsolete nail and lengthening mire than 8cm is not a wide decision imo.
Stryde is by far superior, offers easier lengthening and faster rehabilitation. 8 cm are enough but almost risky, more than that is most of the times a recipe for problems.
But you'll see if your body can handle it, my main concern is betznail which, like guichetnail, are craps compared to stryde, and also I don't trust Betz that much.
He let his patients lengthen as much as they want without caring about the problems that will have.
I remember Tall on the other site who lengthened 10cm on femurs with Betz and had permanent knee pains after that and all the doctors he went told him the reason was the excessive lengthening.
Anyway, I wish you luck and to think again about the nail and the doctor you are going to use.
Be sure that you know what you do.
completely understand the risk of betzbone. But one of the reasons I have not paid for the surgery yet is because i would want to know if the newer versions are prone to the failures too..havent heard of failures in the newer diaries- tallertree/amar etc.
I also went through tall's diary from the old forum web archive. I dont see him mention he has permanent knee pain. He did mention it took him long to consolidate and hr recommended going against 10cm or 1mm/day. Could you please point me to where he complaiant about permanent knee pain?
Also I guess the pain might be there till you have your nails removed. I had knee pain too just few weeks before my frame removal, which disappeared post removal.
I would still do a bit of research about albizzia in this regard though :)
My second option is LON with dr Pili. LON for 8+cm.
That's interesting. So do you plan to pay for the surgery before meeting Dr. Betz or can you wait with payment until after the consultation? Did you already get an invoice?
I would pay 500€ for the consultation during my visit post whivh after clearning my doubts would i proceed for the surgery. The quote is 52,5k €
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Im sorry mate for this, but i feel like i have to get it out. Be careful, betz is one of the worst LL docs out there. Not only is his nail crap, but the guy don't give two sh'ts about his patients. 8 cm on your tibias is already to much for tibias? And now you want to do 8 cm in your femurs?? Man you are asking to get crippled!! Please stop with this. And Pili should have a limit on tibias, that unethical POS! I know this is harsh, but i don't want you or anyone else here get hurt and used.
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Today I start my femurs- with precise 2.
I would update you guys on how the surgery goes and also which mail they'd use- I think I might get the one 11.5(its not the regular size- 8, 10, 12 variants).
I saw through the pages and dairies of dr Buldu. Also spoke to the doctor and his couple of patients before arriving at this decision- things looked promising. Like in the past, I only go to doctors after going through their outcome stats.
Also considering the lockdown to end soon, I feel its a good time to do the surgery if I dont want to go to work with a crutch/wheelchair.
I am 58-59kg, so hopefully i can still crutch as before although I'd have to be very careful.
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Flashback: I did more than 8cm with atl under dr pili/catagni, therefore I wouldnt tell how much i lengthened exactly- as it might be risky otherwise, and i dont want to be an example of it.
I think I'm reading this wrong, did u just say had ur tibias lengthened by 8cm?
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Today I start my femurs- with precise 2.
I would update you guys on how the surgery goes and also which mail they'd use- I think I might get the one 11.5(its not the regular size- 8, 10, 12 variants).
I saw through the pages and dairies of dr Buldu. Also spoke to the doctor and his couple of patients before arriving at this decision- things looked promising. Like in the past, I only go to doctors after going through their outcome stats.
Also considering the lockdown to end soon, I feel its a good time to do the surgery if I dont want to go to work with a crutch/wheelchair.
I am 58-59kg, so hopefully i can still crutch as before although I'd have to be very careful.
So you dont go with Betz right anymore right?
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Good luck man :) evolve my pokemon
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so, woke up a few hours ago. I am on a bit of a constant pain, subdued by painkillers duh! I think it would be there for a next 2 days max.
Tomorrow, the doc would help me walk.
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Also, mods is it possibel we change the title of this thread. Rach time on a reply i need to change the title from betz to buldu.
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Whats ur lengthening goal?
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I guess this is a weird question because you are going for another surgery, but was your first surgery "worth it"? You might not be 100% satisfied but I assume you are at least 90% if you're going for a second surgery?
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I guess this is a weird question because you are going for another surgery, but was your first surgery "worth it"? You might not be 100% satisfied but I assume you are at least 90% if you're going for a second surgery?
I was somewhere around 160, which is why the second surgery :) my current height is still on the shorter side in europe.
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update:
surgery was good, there is mild pain..i was made to use the walker. unlike tibias, this time i have issues bending the knee. also pain at the oesteotomy sites and hip as expected.
also turned out i am given the 12.6mm precise 2...which can bear my weight completely.
However the nail looks a bit too thick for my bones.
http://imgur.com/a/sXOhnuw
Anyone recall if its normal? specially the left side of the left femur. also its perhaps due to the angle the xray was taken in.
Although my doc says its not an issue
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Good luck on ur journey😁..and how many cms r u contemplating to get out of this nail and wht is ur current height and goal height??
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@kal el - I cannot say my goal yet, not till I reach it atleast :)
I am a week post op. Unlike tibias- femurs is quite hard the first few weeks atleast specially with pain and mobility- as your hips/thighs are used almost everytime to get around. Perhaps coz this time I am on my own. This might be a factor too.
I am back home, and can confirm I can sit for 8-9 hours atleast. Hopefully would be able to be as productive as work pre-LL, in a couple more days. Hopefully I should be able to cook etc too by myself instead of ordering(economical and healthy too). Getting up and managing chores, walking has been easier from yesterday.
I am limiting to 2 painkillers before sleeping- paracetamol/codine(geralgin) and Metamizole(novalgine). But I think I mainly need medicine/supplement for sleeping as I sleep tight lol. Hope to drop off painkillers in the coming weeks- using just icepack/hotpack.
Although my nail can weight bear my body- 12.5 mm takes 68 kg, I 59-60kg, I still walk with the walker. But I would move to crutches atleast for moving around inside home, in a day or two.
Currently only worried about the large nail causing any trouble lol.(fingers crossed).
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Dont go over 8 cm.
You’ve already done so much on tibia. Height is not everything. You need to carr about your function too mate
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Dont go over 8 cm.
You’ve already done so much on tibia. Height is not everything. You need to carr about your function too mate
I would consider other doctors and my own doctor's advice should I want that. Besides I could stop much earlier too if I feel too much difficulties. Dont worry :)
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What's your current height man? I'd be worried for you attempting a second procedure at the limits of the lengthening amount(it could hinder your movements quite a bit).
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I would consider other doctors and my own doctor's advice should I want that. Besides I could stop much earlier too if I feel too much difficulties. Dont worry :)
Its not wise to only consider doctors advice mate. You should consider listening to patients advice who had already done this procedure. They sometimes know better than doctors in terms of experienceing the whole procedure.
Every doctor will say that you can technically go over 8cm.
But its your choice mate. Wish you good luck.
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I would consider other doctors and my own doctor's advice should I want that. Besides I could stop much earlier too if I feel too much difficulties. Dont worry :)
You are great man. keep updating us. I am Chinese living in HK. if we can agree on the price i'll go to Buldu instead of Giotikas...
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hi fivetenneeded, not related to your next surgery but can you share some pictures of your scars from the first surgery? want to see how unnoticeable they are especially with leg hairs!
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hi fivetenneeded, not related to your next surgery but can you share some pictures of your scars from the first surgery? want to see how unnoticeable they are especially with leg hairs!
the first post on this thread has the conclusions from tibia surgery- photos of scars xrays etc
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Hey man, wishing the best for you.
Please keep us updated, hope you can post some photos in a near future when you have gained some cms.
Doing 2 cll is for sure a huge gain in height ( I assume you expect to lenghten as well 8 cm this time) so your final height will go from 160 cm to 175cm - 176cm.
With this huge amount of gains most of us fear to screw our proportions or mobility, although others users such as Myevolution have done similar lenghtenings none have shared photos of their final outcome. Hope you dont mind sharing - I am 5.4 planning to do at least 7.5 cm this year with Buldu as well and maybe another CLL after full recovery.
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Hey man, wishing the best for you.
Please keep us updated, hope you can post some photos in a near future when you have gained some cms.
Doing 2 cll is for sure a huge gain in height ( I assume you expect to lenghten as well 8 cm this time) so your final height will go from 160 cm to 175cm - 176cm.
With this huge amount of gains most of us fear to screw our proportions or mobility, although others users such as Myevolution have done similar lenghtenings none have shared photos of their final outcome. Hope you dont mind sharing - I am 5.4 planning to do at least 7.5 cm this year with Buldu as well and maybe another CLL after full recovery.
Dont worry I'd update every cruical event :) i have just recently started to lengthen
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Hi fiveten I hope you are fine! I have an important question since I am also planning to go for precise in 3 months. So with your weight are you allowed/planning to use crutches (not walker) anytime soon? or at least once lengthening is over?
ps hold in there you're gonna be Charizard soon ;D
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Hi fiveten I hope you are fine! I have an important question since I am also planning to go for precise in 3 months. So with your weight are you allowed/planning to use crutches (not walker) anytime soon? or at least once lengthening is over?
ps hold in there you're gonna be Charizard soon ;D
thanks RDSL, hope to fly soon lol.
Regarding your question, I would say it depends on your weight. I am 59kg. I have 12.5mm precise which can hold 68kg. So I can actually walk on it too, but I still prefer using walker and crutch to be safe.
But my doc and other docs i had previously spoken to and watched on cyborg4life, had confirmed that if I got the smaller 10.7mm nail, which can hold 44kg, i would staill be able to stand on it...but not walk on it, despite being +15 more than its capacity. Also we have for example the user "sunshine"- who uses 44kg capacity(10.7mm) nail and yet stands on it while cooking etc, for atleast 30 mins.
By stand I refer to as being crutchless/full weight bearing.
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Congrat , but tiba scars seem scary bro. Anyway if u do 8cm on tibia i think 8cm on femur maybe ok
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thanks RDSL, hope to fly soon lol.
Regarding your question, I would say it depends on your weight. I am 59kg. I have 12.5mm precise which can hold 68kg. So I can actually walk on it too, but I still prefer using walker and crutch to be safe.
But my doc and other docs i had previously spoken to and watched on cyborg4life, had confirmed that if I got the smaller 10.7mm nail, which can hold 44kg, i would staill be able to stand on it...but not walk on it, despite being +15 more than its capacity. Also we have for example the user "sunshine"- who uses 44kg capacity(10.7mm) nail and yet stands on it while cooking etc, for atleast 30 mins.
By stand I refer to as being crutchless/full weight bearing.
wow that's good. i understand the concerns though, I wouldn't risk it too but well if I can fit the big precice I am 16 kg lighter than the 68kg. do you think I can send them an x-ray in advance to check if it's possible? how did you check it out?
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do you think I can send them an x-ray in advance to check if it's possible? how did you check it out?
yup, thats what i did. we had initally decided on 11.5(this is a custom variation of P2 as well, not talking about the stryde variant), but during surgery I ended up getting 12.5
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update:
like my day 10ish for tibiad, where i could walk for so long..i tried something similar this time, as I walked outside to get a takeaway- ended up to be a nightmare with the femur.
Also coupled with hot water packs I have used overnights in the past, my muscle specially the right leg(i used the pack overnight for this leg) becamee very sore/inflammed.
I could feel like I have ACL- my knee would feel so unstable, some steps would lead to a electric pain from knee to mid thigh. I got bedridden from last couple days.
Today, my hips and upper thigh muslces feel so sore(all on right leg)..I have stopped lengthening and am using all the painkillers just to deal with it lol. I cant even focus on work for long lol.
ilizarov was much less painful tbh, atleast the initial days. Maybe its do with the fact that femur is much more complex(nerves/muscles).
I am now adding hempseed oil, icepack, and pain relief cold gel to see how it works for the pain. Although I am not much worried coz the doc and a few veternas have confirmed its normal in the initial days.
My mobility was quite good before this, and knee could easily bend 150°ish too(it still can but i avoid due to pain later)
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Hi 5'10 needed 2016,
Are you staying by yourself or in their "guesthouse"? Do you have a caretaker? Are you immunized with covid-19?
And did you do any research about safety of precice nails?
Best of luck man!
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The scars ate definitely noticeable especially the ones on your glutes
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The scars ate definitely noticeable especially the ones on your glutes
i havent posted any femur scars lol. none of my glutes.
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Hi 5'10 needed 2016,
Are you staying by yourself or in their "guesthouse"? Do you have a caretaker? Are you immunized with covid-19?
And did you do any research about safety of precice nails?
Best of luck man!
i stayed there fo 3-4 days before coming back home.
I do not have a caretaker as I cannot afford one lol.
Not immunized.
Dint research about safety..just the weight bearing.
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i stayed there fo 3-4 days before coming back home.
I do not have a caretaker as I cannot afford one lol.
Not immunized.
Dint research about safety..just the weight bearing.
Did you fly 3-4 days after precice 2 surgery? Must've been hard.
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Did you fly 3-4 days after precice 2 surgery? Must've been hard.
I flew back 1 week after my surgery, was nevertheless hard.
Update:
regarding pain- slightly better, better with ROM too(the rotational leg movements).
excercises: the hamstring strerches pain a lot leading to a burning pain close to the groin. rest are easy now.
i have reached 1cm today.
Having done ilizarov tibias, I would say femurs is more painful and restrictive with the movements.
I am still not able to walk 1 mile after almost 2.5 weeks. I could do this on a similar timeline when it was my tibias.
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Good luck on the recovery.
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Good luck on the recovery.
thanks and you too man :) and kudos for coping up with the externals :)
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10 more days and they are off, haha
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Which version of ERC do you have? And did they (airlines staff) give you a difficult time taking it with you on the flight?
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mine is gen1 erc- the grey one without a magnet detection.
no difficulties with flight. they dint even ask for letter lol.
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xrays at 1.7cm
http://imgur.com/a/aL6Cl4V
I am close to preconsolidating, so dr halil and the team arranged a video call to reset my erc. I would lengthen 2mm for the next 7 days and 1.5mm thereafter. I was at 1mm till now.
My knee bending is full and bone growth is decent. Only thing is annoying long lasting pain.
knee bending video.
http://imgur.com/a/5E1E19R
funny thing is i sit the whole day(at work, wfh although) and excercise some days for 5 mins. I would start excercising more religiously now that my speed is going up.
I would definitely say lack of muscles make lengthening easy. obviously you need upper body strength, just no muscles on the thighs.
Also the team livelifetaller is really patient dedicated. I was with pili before and also have had minor operations in india(at the top hospital where the docs share their number too). But the responsiveness by Dr halil and his team is something i havent seen before. They reply even late night, crazy! To those who'd say i am sold, I am..but they are not paying me money, they are giving me amazing service lol.
It was almost midnight at their time, yet they helped me reset the device and we were on video call for the entire .66 mm lengthening which itself was 10 mins..they were on a call with me for that long😭😭
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Keep us updated my friend
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today is the worst of my lengthening pains(not top intense..but just constant stretching pain). specially on the left leg.
have decided i ll give myself a break(listening to my body) atleast on the left leg- since it had no problem with union. would just lengthen the right leg for a while.
also i found out my right leg's magnet mark was a bit off from where the magnet actually is. perhaps the reason why my right was close to union..also it was almost 2mm short relatively.
cant wait for next xrays and finally slow my lengthening speed.
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Good decision man, there is never any rush, stretching pains are very annoying and stop from any decent physiotherapy (or at least make it very painful) so the break you are giving yourself is a great start.
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Hey man, good luck on your journey! You’re doing great, just keep pushing through.
So far do you find walking easier with tibia than femur? I was going to do femur but from what I’ve seen it also effects your hips and can give you flat glutes so tibia might be better for me even though it’s a longer recovery overall
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Hey man, good luck on your journey! You’re doing great, just keep pushing through.
So far do you find walking easier with tibia than femur? I was going to do femur but from what I’ve seen it also effects your hips and can give you flat glutes so tibia might be better for me even though it’s a longer recovery overall
I can walk well on both hef and precise 2. I am 58kg, so doesnt really matter.
But yes, if walking long(> 25 mins) is consodered, tibias were much more easier. It hurts the groin, knee oestetomy site, even calves after walking long on femurs.
if you do have patience, go for external with tibias. A lot less painless. The constant pain you'd have is pinsite/superficial unlike here where its almost constant soft tissye pain(atleast at my current speed)
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Thanks for replying! Did you get any flat glutes or tightness in your hips/butt when you did tibias either?
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Thanks for replying! Did you get any flat glutes or tightness in your hips/butt when you did tibias either?
I vaguely remember all the details. But I dont recall pain above the knee when i did my tibias. Perhaps refer my diary too, but mostly any pain was down the knee.
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How is it going ? how many cms did you already lengthen ? And how is the pain level ! And congrats on the height gain
I am 1m79 and considering to get the ll to reach 1m85 because all of my cousins are 1m90- 2meters
I wanted to do femurs but you said that they hurt alot more than tibias ! But from your first picture the scares looked pretty bad but they were fresh right ? are the scars looking better now ?
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How is it going ? how many cms did you already lengthen ? And how is the pain level ! And congrats on the height gain
I am 1m79 and considering to get the ll to reach 1m85 because all of my cousins are 1m90- 2meters
I wanted to do femurs but you said that they hurt alot more than tibias ! But from your first picture the scares looked pretty bad but they were fresh right ? are the scars looking better now ?
Hi Blaze, I am doing okay but still in pain almost everyday. I would say the pain is only bad at night while sleeping when you retain a position for long. I am 4cm as of now. but this pain could be due to the fact that i am slacking on my excercises as i work full time and also i am lengthening 1.33mm/day- as i had too fast bone growth from my last xray.
Goodluck on your journey. If its 6cm, i would strongly suggest going with Pili/catagni if you dont mind being on fixators for 9-10 momths. externals are a lot less painful indeed and for 6cm i dont think you'd need atl as well.
Dont worry 6cm wouldnt ruin you, dont listen to the folks on the forum who havent done even a consultation for the surgery.
scars is something you'd have to deal with though. the pictures i had posted was 1.5+ years post frame removal. its still the same now but the scars have levelled up quite a lot. its mostly the discoloration left now.
But again, if you are against wearing the frame for that long and are too bothered with scars, you might as well do femurs bearing the pain for 2 months(lengthening period). its not unbearable but its annoying enough to keep you from sleeping. it'd be 4/10 but constant almost.
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dear fivetenneeded2016
Your journey is inspiring to me. I think you have set the goal of 5'10 in 2016 and are fighting for it. I am inspired by your bravery.
Yours is a drastic change in the stature and your friends and the family will notice. are you open about it?
with your precice journey do you think it would be easier if you had did the one leg at a time in terms of the pain and sleep? how is your job duties going with lack of the sleep at night everyday?
and last question friend, did your Dr Halil give to you medications for preventing the dvt?
regards,
sergio
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dear fivetenneeded2016
Your journey is inspiring to me. I think you have set the goal of 5'10 in 2016 and are fighting for it. I am inspired by your bravery.
Yours is a drastic change in the stature and your friends and the family will notice. are you open about it?
with your precice journey do you think it would be easier if you had did the one leg at a time in terms of the pain and sleep? how is your job duties going with lack of the sleep at night everyday?
and last question friend, did your Dr Halil give to you medications for preventing the dvt?
regards,
sergio
thabks for your post redwedding.
my friends and family do know about it :) although i am not open with everyone, i have moved places..my colleagues are unaware lol.
i would still have done both legs...if one leg a time, the pain from you get from it band would be inevitable and oddly be one sided which would suck more specially while walking. this is despite it band release.
job is managebale..i can sit for long with no issue but i dont get a good sleep most times which is the issue.
halil did give me heparin for 2 weeks and aspirin everyday till end of lengthening.
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thanks for the kind response fivetenneeded2016 I appreciate to you
Did you get the IT bands released? Is that the cause of the pain or is the pain from the stretching?
cheers,
sergio
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thanks for the kind response fivetenneeded2016 I appreciate to you
Did you get the IT bands released? Is that the cause of the pain or is the pain from the stretching?
cheers,
sergio
yes, i got my IT bands released. the pain is due to tightness though. i think its normal for lengthening at > 1mm also becomes painful after 5-6cm due to overall stretch..hope to slow down soon.
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yes, i got my IT bands released. the pain is due to tightness though. i think its normal for lengthening at > 1mm also becomes painful after 5-6cm due to overall stretch..hope to slow down soon.
what kind of tightness? did you knees bows? why you needed?
what your dr. explain why you need it?
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Hi
Is an IT band release optional and how are you managing the weight bearing whilst lengthening?
Hope all is well
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update: due to my previous surgery in tibias and my lack of stretching, I am feeling too tight on my hamstrings and IT band. I cannot stand up with knees straight or keep knee straight while lying down...a slight bit of an angle..although knee bends fine(i have more than 150° bend on knee).
I have now decided to stop listening to my body to recover. My callus is excellent on one leg(almost consolidated- this is at 1.33mm/day) and the other leg is not too good.
so doing 1.33mm might still fuse one of my legs and I cant handle 1.33mm let alone anything higher. So its best I stop now and do the rest after full consolidation, hoepfully with better flexion.
Stay tuned, I ll be back in 3-4 months. 6 cm in a week short of two months, not bad..given my callus, my weight(60kg) and the fact that my nails can bear 68 kg, i think i can start walking unaided in the next 2-3 weeks.
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xrays- http://imgur.com/a/565nV54
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Fiveten why did you choose to lengthen at 1.33 mm per day and not say 0.80 mm per day? It would have reduced the pressure your soft tissue (i.e. muscles, nerves and arteries) are subjected to and thus less stiffness and pain.
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On your left foot your callus is minimal. On your right one is better but still not even closo to (pre)consolidation.
So I wonder too, why you lengthen so fast at 1.33mm ? You could continue with even less than 1mm and still not face preconsolidation and also let your soft tissues to adapt better.
So before stopping, think about it more careful. But if your body tells you to stop and you are ok with how much you lengthened then yes you should stop.
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due to my previous surgery in tibias and my lack of stretching
even 3 years ago?
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even 3 years ago?
not sure again if its due to tibias or if i had tightee hamstrings/soft tissues to begin with. the tightness has no problem in day to day activity..only during lengthening i found the tightness from early on- 4cm- this time.
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On your left foot your callus is minimal. On your right one is better but still not even closo to (pre)consolidation.
So I wonder too, why you lengthen so fast at 1.33mm ? You could continue with even less than 1mm and still not face preconsolidation and also let your soft tissues to adapt better.
So before stopping, think about it more careful. But if your body tells you to stop and you are ok with how much you lengthened then yes you should stop
i did 1.33 from almost all of my lengthening...except 2 weeks initally(after my first xray)- this was on the advice of my doctor, as you can can my xrays at 1.7cm was too close to consolidation.
i dint take another xray till now(at almost 6cm) coz its too hard and expensive to get an xray in the UK. so I continued with the same speed too to avoid any consoldiation in worst case.
this was a mistake on my part, but i am okay with 6cm now. I would rebreak the bone later and do the rest.
hope to recover soon.
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congrats bubba, I dont think u need em last 2 cms. But we know u aint stoppin'.
do you have any nerve damage from doing 1.33mm? can you feel every part of your leg? did you not meet your surgeon every 2 weeks?
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congrats bubba, I dont think u need em last 2 cms. But we know u aint stoppin'.
do you have any nerve damage from doing 1.33mm? can you feel every part of your leg? did you not meet your surgeon every 2 weeks?
thank you las vegas.
no nerve damage, i can feel everything..just wide legs and bent knee(cannot straighten the knee)..its not the worst still it started ti hamper my mobility.
i am quite paranoid with these, so i feel its best to have quit...i cant take 1.33 or 1mm on my right atleast and .66 might be too slow...better safe than sorry.
i dint meet my surgeron every 2 weeks lol. i was to take xrays every 3 weeks...i skipped once though.
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Wow this diary went fast! Congrats on finishing.
What is your expectations in terms of physical recovery after LL?
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Wow this diary went fast! Congrats on finishing.
What is your expectations in terms of physical recovery after LL?
i couldnt straighten my knee till 2 days back. today i can..its exponetially improving by day..hopefully i wide legs would disappear too...i think its because of lengthening too fast that it all occured...but that was inevitable for my right leg.
in terms of recovery i plan:
2 weeks from now: nornal walk on crutches
5 weeks from now crutchless- my nail can hold my weight(60kg)
i ll keep you updsted on how it goes.
also i would definitely try to heal asap hoping to further lengthen what is left of the nail.
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i couldnt straighten my knee till 2 days back. today i can..its exponetially improving by day..hopefully i wide legs would disappear too...i think its because of lengthening too fast that it all occured...but that was inevitable for my right leg.
in terms of recovery i plan:
2 weeks from now: nornal walk on crutches
5 weeks from now crutchless- my nail can hold my weight(60kg)
i ll keep you updsted on how it goes.
also i would definitely try to heal asap hoping to further lengthen what is left of the nail.
No I mean long term recovery, what do you expect to be able to do and not do after this journey is over and behind you?
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not much expectations i would assume, doing 8cm tibias and getting achilles tendon lengthening. itll be years for recovery. i hope you recover but i would not agree with what you have done charmeleon. you dont think 6cm femurs is enough already and you still want more? you got 14cm, that's alot... you have grown so much- you want to delay your life another year for 2cm?
nonetheless i do appreciate the diary, thank you.
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Serilium- My competition(BDD) is going after a certain goal. Thus to truly leave this behind for mental peace, i would have to do it again. (remember the charmeleon needs to evolve ;) ).
I might be someone who has lengthened a lot, but i also know a few members personally from the old forum where doing large amount carefully was still okay. They are doing fine, yes even like 8-9 years post op. Its just the new forum where the rules are set - like do less blah blah. I remember in the beginning of the forum, people only did 5-6cm on femur and considered that safe.
But come stryde and post 2017, you see almost every one(even on precise) is doing 8, and they seem to do okay. So, the point is the goal set by the "members" are not necessarily the best. Your doctor knows much more than folks here. I use the forum only to see people's experience. I still listen to my doc more than what these guys say here. And even Pili said its not an issue if i did so much. i dont care if you dont trust him, i havent seen a single bad case and he is a doc, not the rest of you!
Again I am not encouraging anyone to do lot. You can do if your body allows and your doc is confident too.
Your goal should be set by your body and your doc. Also why i have stopped now.
In terms of long term recovery, I lost my aglity and explosiveness after ACL reconstruction playing soccer in my late teens. I have given up on being competitive or even play sports that are leg intensive.
I am only wanting to recover(and i am sure i will), to a point where i can do my day to day chores, jog, swim and gym to stay fit. Regarding soft tissues, they do stretch over time to an extent they dont harm your body. I have confirmed this too. Considering my recovery ambition, I am doing much better than that. People were like you cant jump after ATL, or run. I can do both lol. I would do similar after femurs too. I remember the days of my surgery coz they are special to me. I promise to login on those dates just to post an update.
I feel even better while walking today- fully straight legs and quite effortless. I ll send a video soon.
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No judgement mate.
I wish you a swift recovery and look forward to seeing recovery videos.
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Charmender charmender ;D can you walk charmender can you breath fireee ;D ;D ;D charmelionnnn camt ealk is that how it is ;D
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Respect sir. 🙏🏻 Makes sense man.
Your goal, your life, your happiness, not mine. I respect that. You are right
Cheers
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Have you consolidated now fiveten?
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I was somewhere around 160, which is why the second surgery :) my current height is still on the shorter side in europe.
I was going to ask why as well, but if you started at 160 this really makes a lot of sense. 160 to 176 is pretty amazing! From extremely below average to above average in some EU states! (Italy, Spain, some others)
Best of luck on the second segment!
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Wish you all the best man ! 16 cm in gains is truely amazing and pretty live changing. Wish i had as much courage as you! Hope your proportions will look fine but honestly i doubt it will look bad since you lenghten both femurs and tibias. Several people said that others think they are taller than they actually are after LL bec of their long legs ! So you will look like someone who is 6ft ! and i find that amazing !!!!
Anyway wish you all the best in your recovery !
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Hi who is your doctor I got confussed and which method?
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How r u?
any new update on your LL journey?
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guys, i am all good..been quite busy with my life. yes, fully consolidated..i started walking normally(no limp) from around may 3rd week. would do a video sometime when free(jogging etc).
all in all 3 months from surgery to be back to normal. ofcourse my athletic abilities would be hampered, but its a trade off i took but can still get close to 85-90% if i worked a few muscle groups in the legs. even if not, I can still lead quite a normal life, working out etc.
my proportions are good too- nothing out of normal. i ll create a new account sometime to post my proportion to ask you guys sometime, so there is no bias ;)
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crazy dude, 3 months.
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Did you meet any of Buldu's other patients?did you see if LON tibias were common? It feels like most of his patients opt for LON femurs which seem like even more hellish xD
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guys, i am all good..been quite busy with my life. yes, fully consolidated..i started walking normally(no limp) from around may 3rd week. would do a video sometime when free(jogging etc).
all in all 3 months from surgery to be back to normal. ofcourse my athletic abilities would be hampered, but its a trade off i took but can still get close to 85-90% if i worked a few muscle groups in the legs. even if not, I can still lead quite a normal life, working out etc.
my proportions are good too- nothing out of normal. i ll create a new account sometime to post my proportion to ask you guys sometime, so there is no bias ;)
What is the cost for precise with Dr Halil?
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Hey, any update?
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Last update:
I rebroke my femurs late september and did another 6cm.(6.2 to be accurate). This is ofcourse 6 months after last 6cm. I had full bone healing and gained back my flexion/extension/mobility fully prior. Yet I had a bit of tightness coz I wanted to finish fast, for time(I have been here far too long now and I want to move on) and to avoid preconsolidation(if you check my diaries rpevious xrays). So I did 1.33 alternative with 1.66 and 2mm once a while.
I have finished lengthenig and and would be posting my xrays before my third operation(second femurs) and now a few days/week ago. I am almost there with the flexion but i believe it would get better with time and would post videos of my progress whenever i feel free or any significant improvement.
I dont frequent the forum much these days unless I find something really acraponishing. I have seen and done it all. I bid my farewell with my xrays.
I am a bit more than 5'11- 9.5 tibias and 6,6.2 in femurs. would post my proportions too- till date no person said its weird- perhaps i did have huge arms and upper body to begin with- check my post with parihar consulation.
I feel avg in europe in a mixed crowd, but not tall. But its the max i could, and I am happy now.
Goodluck to fellow lengtheners/aspirant lengtheners. I never intend to set a bad example so you make this a trend. Always listen to your body, your doctor and your proportions.
pre-op(original proportions and xrays before and after my second femur or third surgery).
http://imgur.com/a/obqlyBd
https://instagram.com/stories/livelifetaller/2708977390473134210?utm_medium=share_sheet
I would post my current proportions too in a while froma other account to prevent any bias.
Ciao.
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Last update:
I rebroke my femurs late september and did another 6cm.(6.2 to be accurate). This is ofcourse 6 months after last 6cm. I had full bone healing and gained back my flexion/extension/mobility fully prior. Yet I had a bit of tightness coz I wanted to finish fast, for time(I have been here far too long now and I want to move on) and to avoid preconsolidation(if you check my diaries rpevious xrays). So I did 1.33 alternative with 1.66 and 2mm once a while.
I have finished lengthenig and and would be posting my xrays before my third operation(second femurs) and now a few days/week ago. I am almost there with the flexion but i believe it would get better with time and would post videos of my progress whenever i feel free or any significant improvement.
I dont frequent the forum much these days unless I find something really acraponishing. I have seen and done it all. I bid my farewell with my xrays.
I am a bit more than 5'11- 9.5 tibias and 6,6.2 in femurs. would post my proportions too- till date no person said its weird- perhaps i did have huge arms and upper body to begin with- check my post with parihar consulation.
I feel avg in europe in a mixed crowd, but not tall. But its the max i could, and I am happy now.
Goodluck to fellow lengtheners/aspirant lengtheners. I never intend to set a bad example so you make this a trend. Always listen to your body, your doctor and your proportions.
pre-op(original proportions and xrays before and after my second femur or third surgery).
http://imgur.com/a/obqlyBd
https://instagram.com/stories/livelifetaller/2708977390473134210?utm_medium=share_sheet
I would post my current proportions too in a while froma other account to prevent any bias.
Ciao.
Where is your post from Parihar?
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hi fivetenneeded, not related to your next surgery but can you share some pictures of your scars from the first surgery? want to see how unnoticeable they are especially with leg hairs!
i am a bad example for scars. taken today- http://imgur.com/a/5DPQgmD
my posts from parihar is around feb/march 2017,
lengthening in stages is way safer(i did 12 in 2 stages). there was a doctor patient with guichet who did 3 and broke again later..this same procedure is used for dwarfs..this is how they get away with so much lengthening. if you lengthen less and recover, i feel you are only limited by proportions. pili(my tibia surgeon catagni's assistant, who talks with paley in many orthocons) too recommended this staged lengthening to do it safely instead of 10+ in single go..its safe and he has used it with people with deformities.
if sedat posts my video before the third surgery- you'd agree with my mobility too..else i can post it in 4 months-ish after i recover enough to job/jump/lift.
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Hi fiveten
What is your wingspan and sitting height?
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http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg66494#msg66494
i think i dint mention it on the post..but i had it on my profile stats/bio long back.
its 170cm winspan, and 90/91cm sitting height.
i recalled this number as i had then used these stats for emails with other doctors i was then seaeching. i basically had a large upepr body and small legs to begin with lol, you could check my original proportions in the photo attached a few posts above
http://imgur.com/a/Vbcpv6c
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http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg66494#msg66494
i think i dint mention it on the post..but i had it on my profile stats/bio long back.
its 170cm winspan, and 90/91cm sitting height.
i recalled this number as i had then used these stats for emails with other doctors i was then seaeching. i basically had a large upepr body and small legs to begin with lol, you could check my original proportions in the photo attached a few posts above
http://imgur.com/a/Vbcpv6c
That is an insane sitting height for starting height of 159cm most guys starting at that short have way less sitting height. How does your torso look in relation to your legs now?
Armspan sound like it could be an issue as average man has wingspan 2 inches over their height so at current stats your around 16cm away from average. Are you planning to do arm lengthening?
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That is an insane sitting height for starting height of 159cm most guys starting at that short have way less sitting height. How does your torso look in relation to your legs now?
Armspan sound like it could be an issue as average man has wingspan 2 inches over their height so at current stats your around 16cm away from average. Are you planning to do arm lengthening?
i would post my proportions in a month or two's time so my legs look more natural..they are atrophied at the moment. it would still look good, as i said i had huge upper body for my height then.. if you saw my pic i mentioned, you'd agree too. i would not do arm lengthening lol. i dont need lol.
besides there was also another guy on the old forum t.dot/6sixside whose proportions, old height and lengthening amount was like mine..he did it with betz though :)
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i would post my proportions in a month or two's time so my legs look more natural..they are atrophied at the moment. it would still look good, as i said i had huge upper body for my height then.. if you saw my pic i mentioned, you'd agree too. i would not do arm lengthening lol. i dont need lol.
Glad your feeling good. I think 22cm has to be one of the highest amounts recorded. I'm sure your aware most docs recommend max 5cm tibia and 8cm femur. It would be great health wise if you could check back in a year or so to say how your going. It must have been incredibly mentally exhausting.
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Glad your feeling good. I think 22cm has to be one of the highest amounts recorded. I'm sure your aware most docs recommend max 5cm tibia and 8cm femur. It would be great health wise if you could check back in a year or so to say how your going. It must have been incredibly mentally exhausting.
catagni is worlds best(he trained paley)..most of his patients do atl..therefore they reach 9/10cm without much difficulty..i would trust catagni over any other doc for tibias..he is perhaps worlds best for pure ilizarov..even paley commends him..
for femurs, if you use repeated small/avg lengthening with rest, there is no reason why you would limit. your soft tissues would recover with time too..pili suggested me this idea..i would habe gone to him if he had precise in feb 2021. he even said i could have done 14cm(i have the call recording too lol) if i did it in the staged way.
i trust pili and ctagani more than anyone..i did well after second surgery, and i cant wait for 3-4 months to gain my results back :)
if you were on the old forum...the dual lengtheners often did 18-20cm with betz .. doing less is no doubt safe, but doing more is also safe if you do it right :) dont be scared or put down by people who dictate limits- it depends a lot on how you lengthen, how fast you lengthen, body type a lot of factors which people dont talk about ..they only say the numbers..just 3 years back on this forum..6cm was max limit or may be 7..now you see its 8 on femurs always lol.
again, by no means i suggest people to do maxmimum..its only for those who still have a hard time to get it off their head to reach a goal(isnt that exactly whats BDD?) Majority of people wouldnt want this limit..they dont have BDD..they say they want to get tall, but just for a better dating life..BDD IS WHEN YOU WANT TO REACH THAT NUMBER coz you percieve yourself that way :)
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catagni is worlds best(he trained paley)..most of his patients do atl..therefore they reach 9/10cm without much difficulty..i would trust catagni over any other doc for tibias..he is perhaps worlds best for pure ilizarov..even paley commends him..
for femurs, if you use repeated small/avg lengthening with rest, there is no reason why you would limit. your soft tissues would recover with time too..pili suggested me this idea..i would habe gone to him if he had precise in feb 2021. he even said i could have done 14cm(i have the call recording too lol) if i did it in the staged way.
i trust pili and ctagani more than anyone..i did well after second surgery, and i cant wait for 3-4 months to gain my results back :)
if you were on the old forum...the dual lengtheners often did 18-20cm with betz .. doing less is no doubt safe, but doing more is also safe if you do it right :) dont be scared or put down by people who dictate limits- it depends a lot on how you lengthen, how fast you lengthen, body type a lot of factors which people dont talk about ..they only say the numbers..just 3 years back on this forum..6cm was max limit or may be 7..now you see its 8 on femurs always lol.
again, by no means i suggest people to do maxmimum..its only for those who still have a hard time to get it off their head to reach a goal(isnt that exactly whats BDD?) Majority of people wouldnt want this limit..they dont have BDD..they say they want to get tall, but just for a better dating life..BDD IS WHEN YOU WANT TO REACH THAT NUMBER coz you percieve yourself that way :)
This is a very interesting conversation. IIRC Paley set the limit of the precise family of nails at 8cm due to problems increasing dramatically over that amount on femurs according to a presentation he did. The 5cm tibia limit seemed to come about again due to Paley not allowing patients over that amount. So it does appear very Paley dominated.
I assume you did ATL with Catagni which is another highly polarising procedure with most doctors swearing against it and wanting to do the strayer procedure instead while Catagni and I believe Pili also recommending ATL over 4-5cm tibia lengthenings.
Would you be able to discuss the various release and soft tissue procedures you've had and the doctors opinions on them?
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This is a very interesting conversation. IIRC Paley set the limit of the precise family of nails at 8cm due to problems increasing dramatically over that amount on femurs according to a presentation he did. The 5cm tibia limit seemed to come about again due to Paley not allowing patients over that amount. So it does appear very Paley dominated.
I assume you did ATL with Catagni which is another highly polarising procedure with most doctors swearing against it and wanting to do the strayer procedure instead while Catagni and I believe Pili also recommending ATL over 4-5cm tibia lengthenings.
Would you be able to discuss the various release and soft tissue procedures you've had and the doctors opinions on them?
paley made the limit as 8 coz more than 8 is difficult as you mentioend..BUT ITS FOR ONE LENGTHENING- IN ONE GO. if you do it after you recover, you still can do it again :)
about ATL..there is a user who voices out his opinions a lot and calls everything a "joke". He did his release after he lengthened..so his achilles is quite weak..may be the release wasnt good..that guy dint even reveal his doc name yet. i wouldnt say he was wrong about going against atl, but he has created the hype that atl would ruin you..do it right with the right doc, and DURING LENGTHENING, the chances are you should be fine.
As an experiement(for those who blindly trust paley)- please someone mail paley that they are doing the surgery under catagni and he recommends ATL halfway in the procedure.. Paley always replies to most emails i have heard..so Get his thoughts and post it here with the screenshot :)
I did my ATL at 50% of my lengthening. My achilles did get tight again to create the tension after i reached my goal on tibias. I still can jump high enough, but honestly i never measured my vertical jump elevation prior or even now, but i am good enough to carry on my daily routines. I wasnt a pro-sportsman.
Catagni does a lot of corrective procedures..mainly corrective infact..so i am sure he prioritizes safety first too..if you trust these users over catagni, i would judge your judgement lol.
your point about other doctors not using atl. see my posts, and check my frame..the frame was custom to hold thr ATL device. Most docs dont do ilizarov coz its brutal and inconvinient for the 21st centuary..safe but brutal. Definitely no one used HEF, may be hexapod, not no one uses HEF..HEF frame was perhaps designed to accomodate the ATL device.
my pain with atl for that 40 days was crazy though. the most painful thing i have done..i have a good pain tolerancr and patience too.
I was 16 months on it lol..if i did my next surgery, i would redo my femurs, no way tibias. I wouldnt want an im nail through my knee(thats more dangerous than the atl i had with my doc lol)
about the other soft tissue- IT band is routine for any doc who does femurs. atleast it should be :)
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paley made the limit as 8 coz more than 8 is difficult as you mentioend..BUT ITS FOR ONE LENGTHENING- IN ONE GO. if you do it after you recover, you still can do it again :)
about ATL..there is a user who voices out his opinions a lot and calls everything a "joke". He did his release after he lengthened..so his achilles is quite weak..may be the release wasnt good..that guy dint even reveal his doc name yet. i wouldnt say he was wrong about going against atl, but he has created the hype that atl would ruin you..do it right with the right doc, and DURING LENGTHENING, the chances are you should be fine.
As an experiement(for those who blindly trust paley)- please someone mail paley that they are doing the surgery under catagni and he recommends ATL halfway in the procedure.. Paley always replies to most emails i have heard..so Get his thoughts and post it here with the screenshot :)
I did my ATL at 50% of my lengthening. My achilles did get tight again to create the tension after i reached my goal on tibias. I still can jump high enough, but honestly i never measured my vertical jump elevation prior or even now, but i am good enough to carry on my daily routines. I wasnt a pro-sportsman.
Catagni does a lot of corrective procedures..mainly corrective infact..so i am sure he prioritizes safety first too..if you trust these users over catagni, i would judge your judgement lol.
your point about other doctors not using atl. see my posts, and check my frame..the frame was custom to hold thr ATL device. Most docs dont do ilizarov coz its brutal and inconvinient for the 21st centuary..safe but brutal. Definitely no one used HEF, may be hexapod, not no one uses HEF..HEF frame was perhaps designed to accomodate the ATL device.
my pain with atl for that 40 days was crazy though. the most painful thing i have done..i have a good pain tolerancr and patience too.
I was 16 months on it lol..if i did my next surgery, i would redo my femurs, no way tibias. I wouldnt want an im nail through my knee(thats more dangerous than the atl i had with my doc lol)
about the other soft tissue- IT band is routine for any doc who does femurs. atleast it should be :)
I think your referring to the user bodybuilder. There are alot of variables between you and him to make any fair comparison on if ATL has negative long term implications. Knowing the difference between doing ATL during or after is the first I've ever seen on the forum and why your case is so helpful. Can you expand on the pain of ATL are you saying it is the most painful part of LL and what makes it so painful?
This is next level LL topic as most people don't even do 2 LL let alone on same segment! Sort of OT but where did you get so much time to spend on LL!?
Agree on IT band release. Did you have and faciotomy on your Tibias yet? This appears to be another common release for those going over 5cm.
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I think your referring to the user bodybuilder. There are alot of variables between you and him to make any fair comparison on if ATL has negative long term implications. Knowing the difference between doing ATL during or after is the first I've ever seen on the forum and why your case is so helpful. Can you expand on the pain of ATL are you saying it is the most painful part of LL and what makes it so painful?
This is next level LL topic as most people don't even do 2 LL let alone on same segment! Sort of OT but where did you get so much time to spend on LL!?
Agree on IT band release. Did you have and faciotomy on your Tibias yet? This appears to be another common release for those going over 5cm.
if you really think about how people with dwarfism get over with 30+cm. two things:
1. flexible soft tissues: but come on, given their original length, i think they would still max out at 10cm- which is am equivalent of 15cm for a non dwarf person.
2. repeated lengthening- same segments again- in case of IM nail, its like you were about to remove, but instead you get a new nail in and rebreak..its lesser trauma too.
the second reason caught my eye. Like i had told you about the guichet patient who did 3cm(the guy was a doctor) and he recovered in 1.5 months and planned to rebreak. there are also more guichet paitents- simons(i mentioend him in my tibias journey, i saw him in person in milan) and christall.
How much time i took to recover from femur part 1(first 6cm) - feb 27 to may 31.. say 3 months..3 months is not a big deal to gain a quick 6cm. its going to be the same this time too- so i recoken by the new years 2022, I should be walking well enough.
Specially to those who have seen the benefits of getting closer to their goal and who have recovered well and fast and who know what they are doing.. it would be a routine jump out of the tunnel- the only reason i did it thrice at all.
(https://c.tenor.com/NZPog9WtlGgAAAAC/bruce-wayne-dark-knight-rises.gif)
precice made it easier for me :)
note: 3 months is just for walking normally- i waited till end of september only to get the hamstring flexion(my cruical bottle neck) back. My bone heals quite quick(you could see my previous surgery xrays too).
so total i would have spend 3months each time if i did hypothetically again too..which isnt so bad- its the rehab for a bigger fracture too. not very suspicious either. thats how i get the time.
also come on, I was 16 months on ilizarov. i do have patience grounded down to my balls lol.
i dont have any other release/tightness. just the it band/achilles. perhaps i was skinny to begin with(the more suited body type for lengthening).
Lengthening a lot is by no means bad..its only lengthening fast and giving less gaps between surgeries that kills your soft tissues..Thats why people have the most to lose who do quadrilateral..I bet they cannot reach 16cm(maxing out both nails) like myevolution
its a trade off time vs the length you give..i gave in just too much time from my first surgery to attain my goal. most people i have met just want to finish it up soon and move on with life- which is the right approach mentally, but you can only do so much so quick!
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for those wondering my proportions after 20+cm.
http://imgur.com/a/87vdvOB
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how is it posible to look like that after 20 cm lengthening wtf
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how is it posible to look like that after 20 cm lengthening wtf
long face, long torso, and long arms..my legs were short..originally.
http://imgur.com/a/obqlyBd
scroll to the last photo.
it would be counter intuitve to go against looking good..i wouldnt have done so much if porportionally i couldnt make it..
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something is stange, do you have a pre op photo that we can aprecciate proportions better?
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something is stange, do you have a pre op photo that we can aprecciate proportions better?
just after tibia surgery
http://imgur.com/a/NUYxTNb
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for those wondering my proportions after 20+cm.
http://imgur.com/a/87vdvOB
Looks pretty good! But also a bit difficult to tell as the shorts you wear can be a bit misleading.
What's your diet like?
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Good proportions. Your hair looks great and voluminous and it makes it your face look in proportion.
If you recover mobility then this would be the most adventurous and successful journey.
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for those wondering my proportions after 20+cm.
http://imgur.com/a/87vdvOB
Any chance of a tucked in shirt picture? I have similar sitting height to you but 11cm longer wingspan so am very interested to see your torso to leg ratio since mine will end up similar.
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Any chance of a tucked in shirt picture? I have similar sitting height to you but 11cm longer wingspan so am very interested to see your torso to leg ratio since mine will end up similar.
will post one soon.
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How do You feel your achilles tendon?can You jump?
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if you really think about how people with dwarfism get over with 30+cm. two things:
1. flexible soft tissues: but come on, given their original length, i think they would still max out at 10cm- which is am equivalent of 15cm for a non dwarf person.
2. repeated lengthening- same segments again- in case of IM nail, its like you were about to remove, but instead you get a new nail in and rebreak..its lesser trauma too.
the second reason caught my eye. Like i had told you about the guichet patient who did 3cm(the guy was a doctor) and he recovered in 1.5 months and planned to rebreak. there are also more guichet paitents- simons(i mentioend him in my tibias journey, i saw him in person in milan) and christall.
How much time i took to recover from femur part 1(first 6cm) - feb 27 to may 31.. say 3 months..3 months is not a big deal to gain a quick 6cm. its going to be the same this time too- so i recoken by the new years 2022, I should be walking well enough.
Specially to those who have seen the benefits of getting closer to their goal and who have recovered well and fast and who know what they are doing.. it would be a routine jump out of the tunnel- the only reason i did it thrice at all.
(https://c.tenor.com/NZPog9WtlGgAAAAC/bruce-wayne-dark-knight-rises.gif)
precice made it easier for me :)
note: 3 months is just for walking normally- i waited till end of september only to get the hamstring flexion(my cruical bottle neck) back. My bone heals quite quick(you could see my previous surgery xrays too).
so total i would have spend 3months each time if i did hypothetically again too..which isnt so bad- its the rehab for a bigger fracture too. not very suspicious either. thats how i get the time.
also come on, I was 16 months on ilizarov. i do have patience grounded down to my balls lol.
i dont have any other release/tightness. just the it band/achilles. perhaps i was skinny to begin with(the more suited body type for lengthening).
Lengthening a lot is by no means bad..its only lengthening fast and giving less gaps between surgeries that kills your soft tissues..Thats why people have the most to lose who do quadrilateral..I bet they cannot reach 16cm(maxing out both nails) like myevolution
its a trade off time vs the length you give..i gave in just too much time from my first surgery to attain my goal. most people i have met just want to finish it up soon and move on with life- which is the right approach mentally, but you can only do so much so quick!
I want to know when you had the second femoral surgery, did your P2.2 change to a new one or continue to use the original nail? Did your doctor just cut the bone again, take out the P2.2 distal locking nail, and fix it on the bone again? If so, for your second femur surgery, you just paid the doctor's surgery fee, but didn't you pay P2.2 again? Is that so?
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if you really think about how people with dwarfism get over with 30+cm. two things:
1. flexible soft tissues: but come on, given their original length, i think they would still max out at 10cm- which is am equivalent of 15cm for a non dwarf person.
2. repeated lengthening- same segments again- in case of IM nail, its like you were about to remove, but instead you get a new nail in and rebreak..its lesser trauma too.
the second reason caught my eye. Like i had told you about the guichet patient who did 3cm(the guy was a doctor) and he recovered in 1.5 months and planned to rebreak. there are also more guichet paitents- simons(i mentioend him in my tibias journey, i saw him in person in milan) and christall.
How much time i took to recover from femur part 1(first 6cm) - feb 27 to may 31.. say 3 months..3 months is not a big deal to gain a quick 6cm. its going to be the same this time too- so i recoken by the new years 2022, I should be walking well enough.
Specially to those who have seen the benefits of getting closer to their goal and who have recovered well and fast and who know what they are doing.. it would be a routine jump out of the tunnel- the only reason i did it thrice at all.
(https://c.tenor.com/NZPog9WtlGgAAAAC/bruce-wayne-dark-knight-rises.gif)
precice made it easier for me :)
note: 3 months is just for walking normally- i waited till end of september only to get the hamstring flexion(my cruical bottle neck) back. My bone heals quite quick(you could see my previous surgery xrays too).
so total i would have spend 3months each time if i did hypothetically again too..which isnt so bad- its the rehab for a bigger fracture too. not very suspicious either. thats how i get the time.
also come on, I was 16 months on ilizarov. i do have patience grounded down to my balls lol.
i dont have any other release/tightness. just the it band/achilles. perhaps i was skinny to begin with(the more suited body type for lengthening).
Lengthening a lot is by no means bad..its only lengthening fast and giving less gaps between surgeries that kills your soft tissues..Thats why people have the most to lose who do quadrilateral..I bet they cannot reach 16cm(maxing out both nails) like myevolution
its a trade off time vs the length you give..i gave in just too much time from my first surgery to attain my goal. most people i have met just want to finish it up soon and move on with life- which is the right approach mentally, but you can only do so much so quick!
I agree with this. If you look at Paley's options, he offers 16 cm of total lengthening, but it includes rebreaking of the tibias + femurs.
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Hi Fivetenneeded, how are you? any update??
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Hello guys, what happened to Fivetenneeded??
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Hello guys, what happened to Fivetenneeded??
Hey man, I am really good- done with decent recovery..Thanks for asking. Just really occupied with work atm. Life is amazing at this height :)
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congratulations man. an inspiration for all of us. would be really glad if you share photos, videos, etc. wish you the best.
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had to reread a couple of times your signature as I thought I misread
22 cm? damn thats a hardcore looksmaxxer right here
i suppose you got achilles and ITB releases for this amount yes? your athleticism may be fked for life but at least now you're not invisible to the opposite gender and they don't want you to just die and dont bother them
and 1+ year in externals? fk that, hats off to you, you've definitely earned it, i shake your hand virtually my good sir
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Hello Fivetenneeded how are you? Any update? Thank you
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hello @fivetenneeded2016, any news? how is your life with those 9 inches? :D
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Bro u still alive?? 22cm is insane