Limb Lengthening Forum

Dude, it's not about being at least 180 cm or nothing at all.  I never said that a man should be at least that height in order to be successful with most women. I'm saying that any height below solid 5'8 is a serious disadvantage for a man in dating life. He can be perfect in all areas but the sheer lack of height will hinder him with most women and his dating pool will be very small.

Besides, it's not about being a certain height, but not to have short and disproportional legs. Short legs are not attractive on men and it makes an already short man look even shorter than he really is.

So, the point of LL is not only to become taller but also to normalize leg-to-frame ratio and appear perfectly proportional with relatively long legs while reaching at least 5'8 height. Of course 5'10 and up is better but 5'8 is minimum for a man in order to feel taller than the average height women.

The mocking I mentioned in this post related to a man in his mid-30s who stands at about 5'3-5'5 range. He once claimed 5'10, then 5'8 1/2. Both of those claims sounded ridiculous from him as he's obviously a very short guy based on all the photos he posts and some forum members know him IRL and confirm that he's a short dude. That's another problem of short men who claim 4-5 inches taller heights than they really are. It's ridiculous and screams insecurity.

I have acknowledged that I'm a short man who enters his 30s and want to overcome this issue with the only right solution there is: double LL of at least 3 inches in total.

I don't want to look overcompensating man with thug style, MMA training flexing or other bull  like living in gym or something similar. I want to tackle the issue directly, without masking it with those bull  the majority of short men cope with. I don't want to look ridiculous with tons of muscles like that Jeff Nippard guy. Neither do I want to look like Lil Wayne with thug style and tons  ty tatts on my body. Neither do I want to train in Jiu Jitsu or MMA or in other martial arts in order to compensate my lack of height like most short guys do these days (Jiu Jitsu and MMA is short guys' panacea these days).

I don't know about that guy who got mocked on that forum, neither do I know about other short men around the globe who try to overcompensate with various ways. Either they don't know about LL or they think that they don't need it. It's fine if they think that way but I can't be like them because I don't think that way. Yeah, you can compensate with many things but at the end of the day you're still overcompensating short guy who look ridiculous with every attempt of overcompensating mechanism employed in your life.

Maybe some of them who know about LL but not plan to do it wish they did it in their hearts but are either broke or wary of side effects and refrain from doing it. But, what I'm 100% sure is that almost all short men around the globe wish they ended up being taller than shorter.

Again, to me, LL is not only about getting taller but also getting longer legs to appear long-legged and attractive. That's also very important besides height gain for a man. Now, if someone is already long-legged and needs LL for height gain, than he has to make compromises between inches and proportions. But, to me, LL is not only to become taller, but also to become more proportionate which is more important to me than reaching 180 cm of height. I'll be fine with 173 cm with long and attractive legs. At that height and with long legs, I won't look like a manlet and employing other things to become more attractive won't be perceived as overcompensation by others. That's what matters the most.

What forum? I didn't read what you write completely but I guess the synopsis of it is just about how women poked fun of a short guy's height and how they do not date guys that are below 6'.
If you really had ever touched the grass you would know girls in reality were not that ridiculous and even though there are indeed some like this they are the very very minority, who may be even socially isolated by other women and men and living  ty lives with Becky's body and face. You will not date them whatsoever after all so they are not something you need to worry about.
As I found out, but brutally, the hotter a woman is, the lower probability of her being something like that there is. The same for educational background, richness, etc....
And you really think guys below 181-182cm can only be friends of females? C'mon lol just go out and see how many guys below 181-182cm have girls. I can't believe you really got depressed because of a random venting  ty woman.
Seems to me you do not know about Statistics. Yeah, we can't say there is no even single one woman like that, but what about the 'ratio'? Are they even 0.00000.....1%? The same for those incels who heightpill here and there with examples in which how a 5'5' man with net worth of millions of dollars ivy background earning twenties of thousands of dollars per year 7-8/10 face is involuntarily lonely because of his height.(they are doing these because of the lack of statistic basic knowledge or because they are just 6'1 losers who are living in a dum basement with their parents and have to be in lines of food bank to not starve to death, smth like that...) Yeah, we can't say there is no even single one example irl either, but what about the 'ratio'? Are they even 0.00000....1%?
And 180cm is totally fine already. Just don't get toxic after you become 180cm, otherwise this surgery is not a good option for you tbh

No, your tibia is already long relative to your femur. If you want to get the best tib:femur ratio, just lengthen your femurs for 5-6 cm and that's it, you don't need to lengthen your tibia at all. Besides, you will look best at 181-182 cm height with 5-6 cm femur lengthening only. No more than 6 cm on femur, otherwise your arms will start to look short relative to your knee.

Yeah 14 cm looks very disproportional, I think 5.5 cm for femurs and 4.5 cm for tibias would be better, thats 10 cm in total

What is your argument? Are you saying it's impossible to increase pain threshold since there are studies that show you can.

You can do stretching and exercises to improve your flexibility.
It will help your muscles soreness and stiffness during the lengthening phase.

There is no such thing or exercises to increase the pain threshold.
It is all in your mind, you should learn to mediate for peaceful mind and strength during the difficult times.

Pain is always there, take painkillers as what the doctor told you to do.
Be positive and stop complaining cos noone force you to do LL.

Honestly on the new Website it just says about pricing: The costs will vary depending on which operation you wish to have and how long you wish to extend your stay in the clinic for. Ideally you would call us or write to us. We would then be able to provide you with an approximate framework of costs.

The price is quoted is the package - nails & operation, medication, PT and two weeks hospital and Rehab Stay.
After that, it is all depended on yourself how long and where you want to stay longer.

You rent a place outside to pay for rent and food by yourself.
PT, medication, XRAY and doctor consultation are free if you are in Freiburg.

You can write to Becker Betz institute and get the help in house rental.
I am sure they can get someone help you to find a place to stay.

Beemer, Do you know its original size?

P.S. If I risk with LON femurs with my first LL, I might settle for 5 cm for less risks and better recovery. In that scenario I will go and get 4 cm tibia in about 6 months after femur surgery for a total of 9 cm height increase.

Do you think that I'll be ready for tibia after 6 months of 5 cm LON femur? In theory for 5 cm femurs it should consolidate at 6 months mark post-op to a point where I won't need crutches to walk. Am I right?

7 + 7  is overkill in terms of proportions and recovery. Your arms look very short with 14 cm total.

Tibia looks very bad and even if you do just 4-5 cm, it will still look bad nevertheless.

Femur looks good for first LL and IMO you won't need to do tibia later if you don't exceed 6.5 cm in femurs.

My honest recommendation based on your proportions is to do femurs for about 6.5 cm max (not full 7 cm) for better proportions and recovery. Anything past 6.5 cm on femurs increase complications and recovery time exponentially.

IMO, just do 5 cm on femurs and call it a day. You'll recover much faster and have decent height of 181 cm with much better proportions.

Based on my calculations, I need to lengthen 15% of my original bone lengths so for ~43 cm femur it's about 6.5 cm and for ~35 cm tibia it's about 5.2 cm.

Which segment would look better until I do the other segment? I know that tibia is cheap and 5.2 cm can be done without much troubles but I'm concerned it will look weird with boots and pants till I do the femurs. My lower legs will be very long relative to my thighs but it won't be the same for 6.5 cm femurs as I'll be able to wear 2 inch boots with long pants and look very proportionate + additional 3 cm taller (relativistic boost to 2 cm shoes most males wear). So, 9.5 cm taller in total if I lengthen my femurs for 6.5 cm and wear 5 cm boots.

It's not only about standing 9.5 cm taller with boots if I lengthen 6.5 cm femurs first, it's about looking proportionate from waist to ankle when wearing long pants with boots and with tibia even if I lengthen just 3 cm, I will look bad with boots and pants. Another benefit for doing femurs first is better biomechanics, especially when wearing 2 inch boots. Stride will increase with 6.5 cm femurs while if I do 5.2 cm tibia first, my stride will remain the same and my walk will look odd.

Yet another issue with tibia first is that it won't look good with short femurs and I won't look tall contrary to popular belief that doing tibia for 5-6 cm will make someone appear taller. It's only true if someone had relatively short tibia to his femur pre-LL and post LL tibia-femur ratio is less than 0.90. In my case, my post LL tibia-femur ratio if I lengthen 5.2 cm tibia will become 0.93 and I will look like short man on stilts. If I do 6.5 cm femurs first, IMO, I will look much harmonious from waist to ankle and much taller and natural. BTW, I have made mock-ups for 5.5 and 6.5 cm tibia lengthenings with pants and boots and even though my shirt is tucked in, I look like short man on stilts even in 5.5 cm mockup.


Another issue is that I can afford fully external tibia in about 1-2 years but I won't be able to afford PRECICE or other internal nails for femurs for many years, only LON femurs in about 2-3 years from now.

I know that LON femur is not recommended here and it's not in my wishlist either but I want to pull the trigger in about 2-3 years from now max as I can't wait any longer for PRECICE.

How is the recovery for 6.5 cm for LON femur?

Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks.