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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: DragonTurtle on May 08, 2015, 12:38:40 PM
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21 year old 5'7 guy here...do people just pack up and move to a shorter country (South America, Southeast Asia, etc.) instead of doing LL? I'm thinking of doing this to go up to 5'10, but I want a job that involves a good deal of traveling anyway...wouldn't it just make more sense for me to move away somewhere and live happily ever after?
E.g, the average male height in Peru is only 5' 4.5"!!! Yes it would be a huge change, but wouldn't it be considerably easier to learn Spanish, settle down, etc?
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Just packing up and moving to a country with a lower average height is too impractical for a lot of people. Cultural and language difference would be a big hurdle. Not to mention leaving behind everything you grew up with.
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The crime rate in Peru is quite high as well.... You probably would be targetted and screwed over anyone who does this lacks confidence is probably going to wind up dead in an alley.
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Not worth it at all... I just want to be taller, period.
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Because of family,relatives and responsibilities.Assimple as that
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So I guess my situation is quite different. Personally, I grew up in a 3rd world country, and had to travel a lot because of my parents' jobs (about once every two years to a new city/country until I was 18). Moving somewhere new after college isn't out of the question for me. It's interesting - while I have a decent circle of friends, I really only consider my blood family really close - perhaps because of how I have moved around growing up.
Also, to be honest, I just thought even if I did get LL, wouldn't I just start "anew" anyway? Won't people suddenly notice that I'm not short...Even if I do LL and stay in the states, I thought I would move to a new city/state in here and avoid others discovering the surgery. I'm aiming for a professional career (MD/PhD/etc) and I think this would be pretty bad for reputation if colleagues found out. What do you all think?
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Hardly anyone knows about this surgery and if you stay in moderation with the gains most people won't think about this too much.
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This question is stupid. Sorry... Who would like to move to Peru? :-\
and a man from Peru who is 5'? Where should he move?
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I have actually thought of moving to another country. But if you are going to move to a different country I think it needs to be done legally. Im really not into moving to a different country and being an illegal immigrant. Plus packing up and going isnt that simple. Maybe in a different country they dont have much heightism. But they could much worse problems. There is also the question of attitude, culture etc. It really isnt a bad idea. But it has to be done right. And there are even some African countries that are not big on height.
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21 year old 5'7 guy here...do people just pack up and move to a shorter country (South America, Southeast Asia, etc.) instead of doing LL? I'm thinking of doing this to go up to 5'10, but I want a job that involves a good deal of traveling anyway...wouldn't it just make more sense for me to move away somewhere and live happily ever after?
E.g, the average male height in Peru is only 5' 4.5"!!! Yes it would be a huge change, but wouldn't it be considerably easier to learn Spanish, settle down, etc?
I've never understood people who ask this question. If you're going to go this route, why don't you cut out the middle man and just move to a cabin in the middle of the woods? Or just become a shut-in and never leave your house? What problem, exactly, do you think you're solving by "moving to a shorter country"?
You do realize that taller people are still preferred in "shorter countries", right? Heightism doesn't just vanish when you cross borders.
By the way, the bit about the average man being 5'4.5" in Peru is not true, at least not the way you think it is.
That average, which I assume was taken from Wikipedia or some other source found through a quick Google search, was taken from the ENTIRE male population of the country, i.e. it includes older men and people who live in impoverished rural areas, who very often ARE malnourished, and when I say "malnourished" I don't mean like it in the sense that the poster Bruce Wayne on this forum often talks about it, like he thinks that if he had just slept more and drank 6 gallons of milk a day he'd be 6'3 or whatever idiot cope he's always going on about. Rural and "suburban" areas of Peru are very often impoverished to the point a family will eat 1 meal a day, and those meals often only include minimal portions of meat/poultry/fish or dairy products, if they're included at all.
Young men who live in metropolitan (to use the term loosely) areas of Southeast Asian and South American countries, where the people can afford food, are very often 5'6" and above. In the wealthy areas (private, gated communities for the rich), they're often even taller. I have WITNESSED this myself, as in I've actually physically been in several South American countries as well as some Southeast Asian ones.
This dumb "just go to a 3rd world country, everyone is short" meme needs to die. All the idiots on r/short and other hole boards who parrot this often do it because they see these outdated, skewed statistics and go "what?! the average girl in the Phillipines is only 4'10"? peruvian girls, 4'11"? vietnamese girls, 5'0"???! oh man oh man, I'm buying a plane ticket RIGHT NOW!"
Then they arrive at Manila/Lima/Hanoi or whatever and the average girl is 5'3"+ and is eye level with them or above with heels on and they're like "wait what? that's not what wikipedia said!!!". It's idiotic.
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I can understand your point of view. And I do agree that heightism is a global social issue. However immigrating to a different country in hopes for a better life isn't something new. But it has to be done right. And research into t he country you want to go..because like you said heightism doesn't disappear.
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It's kind of funny, in a dark way, that LLers use "family, friends, responsibilities" as a reason not to move. Then after LL they end up isolating/losing all of the above anyway. Often deliberately from the shame LL brings them and the fear of being "found out".
Moving to a new country is a great idea if you're struggling with your height. It may not work out, but it sure is at least worth a try.
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I've never understood people who ask this question. If you're going to go this route, why don't you cut out the middle man and just move to a cabin in the middle of the woods? Or just become a shut-in and never leave your house? What problem, exactly, do you think you're solving by "moving to a shorter country"?
You do realize that taller people are still preferred in "shorter countries", right? Heightism doesn't just vanish when you cross borders.
By the way, the bit about the average man being 5'4.5" in Peru is not true, at least not the way you think it is.
That average, which I assume was taken from Wikipedia or some other source found through a quick Google search, was taken from the ENTIRE male population of the country, i.e. it includes older men and people who live in impoverished rural areas, who very often ARE malnourished, and when I say "malnourished" I don't mean like it in the sense that the poster Bruce Wayne on this forum often talks about it, like he thinks that if he had just slept more and drank 6 gallons of milk a day he'd be 6'3 or whatever idiot cope he's always going on about. Rural and "suburban" areas of Peru are very often impoverished to the point a family will eat 1 meal a day, and those meals often only include minimal portions of meat/poultry/fish or dairy products, if they're included at all.
Young men who live in metropolitan (to use the term loosely) areas of Southeast Asian and South American countries, where the people can afford food, are very often 5'6" and above. In the wealthy areas (private, gated communities for the rich), they're often even taller. I have WITNESSED this myself, as in I've actually physically been in several South American countries as well as some Southeast Asian ones.
This dumb "just go to a 3rd world country, everyone is short" meme needs to die. All the idiots on r/short and other hole boards who parrot this often do it because they see these outdated, skewed statistics and go "what?! the average girl in the Phillipines is only 4'10"? peruvian girls, 4'11"? vietnamese girls, 5'0"???! oh man oh man, I'm buying a plane ticket RIGHT NOW!"
Then they arrive at Manila/Lima/Hanoi or whatever and the average girl is 5'3"+ and is eye level with them or above with heels on and they're like "wait what? that's not what wikipedia said!!!". It's idiotic.
What's your ethnicity?
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While height matters, in certain environments race can trump it re: attraction. In my opinion based on what I've seen during my travels through Asia and the Middl east over the last 10 years
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Theres no country where everyones short. Trust me I've traveled quite a bit. Yes the average might be +-5 inches but you will feel short if you are actually short. at 5'7" you are only short to tall people.
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I've never understood people who ask this question. If you're going to go this route, why don't you cut out the middle man and just move to a cabin in the middle of the woods? Or just become a shut-in and never leave your house? What problem, exactly, do you think you're solving by "moving to a shorter country"?
You do realize that taller people are still preferred in "shorter countries", right? Heightism doesn't just vanish when you cross borders.
By the way, the bit about the average man being 5'4.5" in Peru is not true, at least not the way you think it is.
That average, which I assume was taken from Wikipedia or some other source found through a quick Google search, was taken from the ENTIRE male population of the country, i.e. it includes older men and people who live in impoverished rural areas, who very often ARE malnourished, and when I say "malnourished" I don't mean like it in the sense that the poster Bruce Wayne on this forum often talks about it, like he thinks that if he had just slept more and drank 6 gallons of milk a day he'd be 6'3 or whatever idiot cope he's always going on about. Rural and "suburban" areas of Peru are very often impoverished to the point a family will eat 1 meal a day, and those meals often only include minimal portions of meat/poultry/fish or dairy products, if they're included at all.
Young men who live in metropolitan (to use the term loosely) areas of Southeast Asian and South American countries, where the people can afford food, are very often 5'6" and above. In the wealthy areas (private, gated communities for the rich), they're often even taller. I have WITNESSED this myself, as in I've actually physically been in several South American countries as well as some Southeast Asian ones.
This dumb "just go to a 3rd world country, everyone is short" meme needs to die. All the idiots on r/short and other hole boards who parrot this often do it because they see these outdated, skewed statistics and go "what?! the average girl in the Phillipines is only 4'10"? peruvian girls, 4'11"? vietnamese girls, 5'0"???! oh man oh man, I'm buying a plane ticket RIGHT NOW!"
Then they arrive at Manila/Lima/Hanoi or whatever and the average girl is 5'3"+ and is eye level with them or above with heels on and they're like "wait what? that's not what wikipedia said!!!". It's idiotic.
Why do you assume that all short men who "plan to travel to countries where people are short" are like 5'3'' or lower and will be towered even by women? What about OP, who is 5'7'', or people who are like Bruce Wayne's height or even taller than 5'7''? The fact is that people in these countries are, on average, shorter so people who don't like feeling short WILL feel less short in those countries. And even if there are differences of average height between rural and urban areas (which I don't doubt), the average height being shorter is still a fact. A person migrating to, let's say, South America, will not necessarily live in a "private, gated community for the rich" and he will still meet shorter and older people, they are still a part of these countries. A country isn't only inhabited by young, rich, tall people. I don't believe anyone has ever said "just move to a third world country, everyone is short".
I personally don't want to live in a foreign country just to feel taller. Ther are a lot of valid reasons not do so...I wouldn't want to lose my friends, relatives, girlfriend, I want to live in the country I was born in. I can make more money at home than in a country like Peru, etc. But "the average height of those countries is actually higher than Wikipedia says" is a dumb reason.
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Man immigration is never a easy thing to do.Whats more,some extremely short people are likely to be still short even in shorter countries. :'(
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It is rather easier to get a surgery and potentially have problems down the road than to forget all your old friends and culture in your original country just to feel 'taller'. Personally I would never do that even if I was short.
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Because i have a good job here. Other countries don't have high living standards like Europe in my case.
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Stupidest question i have ever heard.
"Why don't people just move from a first world to a third world country?"
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I've never understood people who ask this question. If you're going to go this route, why don't you cut out the middle man and just move to a cabin in the middle of the woods? Or just become a shut-in and never leave your house? What problem, exactly, do you think you're solving by "moving to a shorter country"?
You do realize that taller people are still preferred in "shorter countries", right? Heightism doesn't just vanish when you cross borders.
By the way, the bit about the average man being 5'4.5" in Peru is not true, at least not the way you think it is.
That average, which I assume was taken from Wikipedia or some other source found through a quick Google search, was taken from the ENTIRE male population of the country, i.e. it includes older men and people who live in impoverished rural areas, who very often ARE malnourished, and when I say "malnourished" I don't mean like it in the sense that the poster Bruce Wayne on this forum often talks about it, like he thinks that if he had just slept more and drank 6 gallons of milk a day he'd be 6'3 or whatever idiot cope he's always going on about. Rural and "suburban" areas of Peru are very often impoverished to the point a family will eat 1 meal a day, and those meals often only include minimal portions of meat/poultry/fish or dairy products, if they're included at all.
Young men who live in metropolitan (to use the term loosely) areas of Southeast Asian and South American countries, where the people can afford food, are very often 5'6" and above. In the wealthy areas (private, gated communities for the rich), they're often even taller. I have WITNESSED this myself, as in I've actually physically been in several South American countries as well as some Southeast Asian ones.
This dumb "just go to a 3rd world country, everyone is short" meme needs to die. All the idiots on r/short and other hole boards who parrot this often do it because they see these outdated, skewed statistics and go "what?! the average girl in the Phillipines is only 4'10"? peruvian girls, 4'11"? vietnamese girls, 5'0"???! oh man oh man, I'm buying a plane ticket RIGHT NOW!"
Then they arrive at Manila/Lima/Hanoi or whatever and the average girl is 5'3"+ and is eye level with them or above with heels on and they're like "wait what? that's not what wikipedia said!!!". It's idiotic.
@Bruce Waynee
Even your favorite intellectual can't handle ya
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Lol, ghkid. Spot on.
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I can tell you from personal experience that living in a shorter country does help. In my home country, the average male height is 178 cm; I never felt short there. Now I live in a city where the average male height is almost 184 cm. At work, there are only two guys shorter than me (I’m 180 cm, by the way), and both of them are already in their 50s.
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I can tell you from personal experience that living in a shorter country does help. In my home country, the average male height is 178 cm; I never felt short there. Now I live in a city where the average male height is almost 184 cm. At work, there are only two guys shorter than me (I’m 180 cm, by the way), and both of them are already in their late 50s.
do you plan to stay in your current city? or do you plan on going back to your home country at some point?
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imho id rather break both my legs than move away from friends and family
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Even though it sucks to be 180 cm in a place where most guys my age are > 185 cm, I don’t want to go back. I have a beautiful wife and kid, and we all feel comfortable living here. But I’m pretty sure I could get my obsession with height under control if we moved to a country where the average male height is between 175 and 178 cm.
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Even though it sucks to be 180 cm in a place where most guys my age are between 185 and 190 cm, I don’t want to go back. I have a beautiful wife and kid, and we all feel comfortable living here. But I’m pretty sure I could get my obsession with height under control if we moved to a country where the average male height is between 175 and 178 cm.
hey at least you are in a good place! im sure relocating would be a bit harder with factors keeping you in your current country. i think the big advantage you have is you already got the happy family so its not like your doing it for extrinsic factors like love life. youre just doing it for yourself.
have you talked to your wife about your height neurosis? what did she think?
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Moving to a shorter country will certainly ease the pain but the problem will probs persist. I travelled to vietnam where I'm a few cms taller than the average but it was still pointed out that I'm short because I'm not Vietnamese and they know I'm below average height given where I'm from. Still it does help and you have better chances to gain respect.
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Dis the stupidest shiet Eva. Why not move to fukin pygmie tribe while ur at it. Why not move to a 4th world country from a 1st world also. Just fulkk urself up ya 😂 learn a whole aass language tooo
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hey at least you are in a good place! im sure relocating would be a bit harder with factors keeping you in your current country. i think the big advantage you have is you already got the happy family so its not like your doing it for extrinsic factors like love life. youre just doing it for yourself.
have you talked to your wife about your height neurosis? what did she think?
Thanks for the encouraging words! Yes, I’d certainly do it only because of my own vanity. I don’t have any real disadvantages because of my height.
I haven’t talked to her yet because I’m still trying to figure out if I really want to do CLL. If I were single, I’d do it immediately, but I also need to think about what’s best for my family.
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Even though it sucks to be 180 cm in a place where most guys my age are > 185 cm, I don’t want to go back. I have a beautiful wife and kid, and we all feel comfortable living here. But I’m pretty sure I could get my obsession with height under control if we moved to a country where the average male height is between 175 and 178 cm.
if u was single w/o kids u wud love it in america
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Dis the stupidest shiet Eva. Why not move to fukin pygmie tribe while ur at it. Why not move to a 4th world country from a 1st world also. Just fulkk urself up ya 😂 learn a whole aass language tooo
You haven’t traveled much, have you? You’d be surprised at how high living standards are in countries like Japan. I have an uncle who moved to Japan many years ago, and he lives a great life there. Of course it was difficult for him to learn a new language (his native language is English), but being able to speak multiple languages is a huge advantage regardless of where you live, so I don’t understand why you think it’s such a weird thing to do. It’s certainly not weirder than having your legs broken and sacrificing at least some of your athleticism. Believe it or not, but some people even move to other countries just because they want to broaden their horizon or move up the career ladder.
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if u was single w/o kids u wud love it in america
I studied in the US and could easily find work there, but I wouldn’t want to live in the US permanently.
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You haven’t traveled much, have you? You’d be surprised at how high living standards are in countries like Japan. I have an uncle who moved to Japan many years ago, and he lives a great life there. Of course it was difficult for him to learn a new language (his native language is English), but being able to speak multiple languages is a huge advantage regardless of where you live, so I don’t understand why you think it’s such a weird thing to do. It’s certainly not weirder than having your legs broken and sacrificing at least some of your athleticism. Believe it or not, but some people even move to other countries just because they want to broaden their horizon or move up the career ladder.
I wouldn't even be average height in Japan, 2 goddamn inches under actually. It's great ur 180cm but you gotta realize you're in the minority of people who actually want this surgery when u are 180cm. No problems with that, but not everybody is your height, so mind shud be more open. People are talking about traveling to fking Laos and Cambodia lmfao (even here I'm legit just average), southeast Asia malnourished impoverished areas that are third world, not Japan a first world that is technologically and societally ahead of 99% of countries
And I fking love Japan. Been there twice. t's way better than the US. Pretty much everything, except the work culture
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Regardless America is my home. I will live here forever, don't wanna actually give a fucck bout comparing myself to others but it's done subconsciously and unwillingly for me when I'm like a head shorter than every dude I see. I love America, don't want to move to a shiethole nation or learn a new country and language, leave all my family behind, leave all my friends behind, leave everything I know behind and start over just to cure my height neurosis.
So would I rather break my fking legs like a psycho instead of move to a diff country and just throw my whole life out the window? yeah I would actually, judge me IDGAF
If u were 165 I bet my momma u wuldnt move to Laos or Cambodia LMFAO. U r blessed to have the privilege of saying that moving to the USA wkll increase your height percentile becuz u 180cm . U are blessed to be a giant if you move to Japan. If I move to Japan im still fkin bottom 15% percentile in height hahaa. If I move to a shiethole like Laos I literally average height!
U are blessed that if u do move, then moving countries for you, will make you be considered tall as fk even if u move to a country with 175 average like the USA.. Because if actual short people do it, we still short even if we move to fking Cambodia hahahaha!
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I have mental illness now from trying to justify to a 180cm guy why I wouldn't want to move to a shiethole nation and leave my entire family and friends behind, as well as having to clarify that moving to Japan still makes me below average, and that I'm unfortunately not even 165cm tall
Im gonna take a break, probably need a long one. Mann I spend way too much time here and get too heated now.
Y'all 180cm people literally have not stopped into our shoes at all. Y'all really don't know about relating to us. U can be shorter than avg in your country, but y'all will never feel what it feels like to be in the body of a literal middle schooler at 165cm and under.
fk me man fk this shiet Im getting therapy . Height neurosis has absolutely torn my life apart. Such a superificial trait, dat somehow makes me so upset even though there's nothing wrong with being short, legit nothing
fk it hiatus
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And NotSoBigBadBruin, everything I said is projection. You're fine, it's just me venting hard. Nothing to do with u
Leaving this forum for a while
Pce
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I’m very sorry, but I really didn’t mean to judge you. I don’t want to move to Japan either and would rather do CLL. But I just wanted to say that I totally understand why some people choose to move to shorter countries to cure their height neurosis.
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And I didn’t mean to compare my situation to your situation either. Again, I was just trying to say that I understand why some people move to shorter countries just to feel more comfortable with their height (my uncle is 165 cm, by the way).
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Even for a stereotypical American, your spelling is f*cking atrocious.
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Even for a stereotypical American, your spelling is f*cking atrocious.
Uh oh stinky. Me is uneducated. Me no noe haw to spell. Me retárded.
Nothing wrong with wanting to spell like an idiot, no need to judge.
nuffin wong wit wantin to spil leik an stipid persson. dunt be a judgerr
Even 4 a stureoetipical 'murican. My speeeling is fukin attroshish
Goo goo ga ga. Ooga booga. No heightism. No spellingism. Me stoopidd
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Uh oh stinky. Me is uneducated. Me no noe haw to spell. Me retárded.
Nothing wrong with wanting to spell like an idiot, no need to judge.
nuffin wong wit wantin to spil leik an stipid persson. dunt be a judgerr
Even 4 a stureoetipical 'murican. My speeeling is fukin attroshish
Goo goo ga ga. Ooga booga. No heightism. No spellingism. Me stoopidd
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based and booga-pilled