Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: Polycrates. on December 21, 2013, 05:54:24 AM
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Will be posting here with more regularity in the future.
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It's funny- I'm reading your posts on old forum right now and Apo/SysOp is probably itching to edit or remove your posts because he doesn't want people to know the truth about the ty doctor he was pushing.
Watch him not intervene at all because he is profiting from the poor souls that fell into his Sringari trap.
Also, I'm genuinely sorry to hear about the situation you're in. I think choosing any Indian doctor right now is a fateful mistake. Keep us updated.
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I don't really go on old forum anymore but I checked your diary and agree with everything you said ofcourse.
Would like to add that we were promised 8mb/s connection when we signed up yet this connection ran out after 10 days into the cycle so we've been on the absolute tiest connection for 20 days sometimes unable to even load google or e-mail.
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That's because someone is hogging the bandwidth, it would be awesome if we can get one those modem that reveals the individual usage rate. I'm going mental over the connection too. Arghhh. How's ur knee and ankle? Did u experience the same issue as me? or did urs loosen up?
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Yea I know. I asked Sunny if we can get individual connections for each of our rooms so we can monitor each rooms usage but he said it's too expensive. I then asked if he can increase the bandwidth which would cost $100 for all 8 of us and he said it's too expensive.
My ankle's loosened up after removal although definitely not perfect. Knees are fked.
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Also, regardless of whether some are using copious amounts of data, that's superfluous. When we signed up we were told we would be provided with a solid connection.
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Yea man, let's all request for unlimited. Cheaper for them in the long run anyway. Are u able to bend ur ankle 90 degree? My left is around 70 degree but my right is very close. I think it's unlikely I can walk by jan but I'm happy that I can do full weight bearing.
Ashoka, that stuff u gave me last night tasted vile, oh god.
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This pin site infection is really getting to me. That coupled with Harry's blatant lying is wearing me thin. I'm going to let a few days pass before I post something excessive.
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I cant believe it. This is dr.sarin mk 2.
These innocent people are being used as experiment rabbits by novice indian doctors.
Peopel cant bend their toes? Where have I read that before, oh Dr Sarin.. right.
Up untill now I have just lurked and read, I have really stayed out of this SysOp/APO feud, but someone should sue the fk out of him for leading people into such traps like Srigari and Sarin for economic profit.
or just ddos the fk out of old forum .
This cant carry on. No matter how much valuable information is on it, its not worth ruining peoples life for. Sysop/Apo has to be exposed and stopped now!
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Sarin is less caring but more experienced than Sringari.
You shouldn't rely on anyone in India.
I'll do physio alone when it's my turn to do LL.
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This cant carry on. No matter how much valuable information is on it
A downloadable copy of the entire site is already out. Unless there will be posted something super valuable in the future that's not been posted already, no one will miss out on much if old forum disappeared.
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I think Sringari is a decent man. However, I've come to realize that LL is a miniscule part of his work. Having been to the hospital for surgery 3 times he's usually in the OT all day then squeezes us in between his busy schedule. Then he visits every fortnight or so for an hour. For a man that works 10+ hours a day we are really insignificant too him.
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Let's see if they can implement the changes we've asked for.
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Any new bro?
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I was promised a visit from the good doctor on the eve of christmas but it never came to fruition. Was told he was in the OT, aka his home. Was told the good doctor would arrive at 8am this morning, but that also never transpired.
The nurse came to clean my bad pin and I can see the skin cutting now. It's very deep, but the thing that concerns me is the angle at which it is cutting. Its not straight up and down, not even close. It cuts from the left to the right at a 45 degree angle. Anybody ever see something like this before? I can be certain that it's cutting muscle at this angle too. No wonder it's so inflamed. I'm pretty sure the frame wasn't screwed together correctly. There is no support rod on that side and I can easily bend the first two rings closer together on that side...
I'll post a pic of it when I can.
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My pin cuts were horizontal as well. Idk why
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It is my intent to be more candid on this forum, as I'm away from the prying eyes and searing beams of the censors at work on old forums. Trust me, if something horrible happens here, I'll be posting it.
The doctor has not been negligent, so please guys, don't jump to conclusions that my life is at risk here. The issues pertain mostly to the function, or lack thereof, of the guesthouse. It's amazing what having internet for one night can do for perspective. Instead of focusing on my pain, I'm merrily browsing to my heart's content. If the internet can stay and the food continues to improve (a few meals have definitely been improved) then it will become a much more pleasant experience. At least, they seem to be reacting to our complaints.
The doctor did end up showing tonight. He has had me on a new antibiotic now for a few days and said the swelling and pain will subside by Saturday, his next planned visit. I can attest to the diminishment of the pain. It's definitely improved but far from okay. I still cant bend the knee or lift the leg due to it, and it's hampering my physio. He said I can get a pin change if it doesn't get better.
On my last x-ray I noticed a slight misalignment of the right tibia from a lateral view. I asked the doctor about this and he confirmed this for me. I asked if it'll correct itself and he said no.... And that he doesn't make corrections at nail locking either. He was adamant that with LON any slight deviation is acceptable as long as the bone conforms to the nail. I'll get a scan of the xray and post it here for you to take a look.
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And a note on Indian etiquette and correspondence: if you ever happen to venture to this land of the world's finest, you should come knowing full well, as confirmed by my caretaker, that every time you are told to show up somewhere at a certain time and date you must automatically add one day to the date and 6 hours to the time and then make your arrival. To spice things up and keep people on their toes, you are allowed to modify this date and time up to five times, without telling the person you've done so (that'd ruin the magic), suitable to your taste of mystery and suspense.
The world's greatest superpower certainly harbours the world's most enigmatic populace. I reckon that the suspense and uncertainty involved in all matters here is conducive to improving the intellectual prowess and fecundity of the minds of the world's finest. You never know what to expect.
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That post was in reference to the internet tech, who still hasn't showed.
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Glad you're feeling better both physically and mentally now. :)
On my last x-ray I noticed a slight misalignment of the right tibia from a lateral view. I asked the doctor about this and he confirmed this for me. I asked if it'll correct itself and he said no.... And that he doesn't make corrections at nail locking either. He was adamant that with LON any slight deviation is acceptable as long as the bone conforms to the nail. I'll get a scan of the xray and post it here for you to take a look.
I'm not sure what to make of this, honestly. It won't correct itself (obviously) and he won't correct it during your 2nd surgery (WTF?), but there was no mention of correcting it by doing an uneven number of turns, which is how they corrected small deviations in Beijing. Is that his plan?
Everyone in Beijing became an amateur radiologist/orthopedic surgeon reading each others' x-rays whenever they got them done. Whatever the opinion of someone with 5 months' experience is worth, I'll give that to you as soon as you post it.
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I know. It really surprised and worried me too. I was expecting some sort of correction to be performed by him. He is the doc after all.
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There was no deviation in my anterior xray from the first time. The deviation is seen in the lateral view. Sringari said that the way it will heal is a normal occurrence in some people. He was even audacious enough to say that he himself has bone spurs.
And to answer your question, no. There has never been a patient here told to turn one rod more than another and there has never been a definitive measure of the legs before frame removal. I am really worried about developing a length discrepancy becomes it seems that everyone is always a mm or two behind one leg, but when they take your final xray they're magically measured to be equal. I'm not religious by any stretch, but I have consigned myself to praying every night that I can just get out of here and walk again. I don't really think about the height right now. I don't want to spend my twenties having to pay for this decision, but it's the position I placed myself in.
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The only line of defense stopping any of us from leaving with a discrepancy is a $4 shrunken x-ray done by random faceless "technicians". I'm thankful I've got this far with my only complication being debilitating knee pain that hasn't subsided in 3 months.
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Appreciate the reassurance, bud. We're both in the thick of it, so of course we have all the right to worry over these things. The doctor becomes less and less reassuring with responses I would never have imagined coming out of his mouth. Hopefully we both come out fine. If not, I pray we can get assistance in our homelands for whatever corrections we may ultimately need. The fact that life as I knew it can be over forever is discomforting, lol. Now I need to get back to praying.
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i know this feeling very well when my left tibia deviated from the Alignment at 7cm i guess , I went into some kind of depression that i will be crippled for life and stuff but you need to be strong and decisive right now .
my foot turned inward and i was really scared , i consulted a real LL doctor in Delhi since Dr Sarin was not even looking at my complication , and the other doctor advised me not to do that (turn one rod more than another) since there was internal nail inside the bone which could break the pin or some other stuff can happen .
but after so many complaints about my issue to Dr Sarin , he finally said he will take care of it during frame removal in one sentence.
and at the time of removal he did exactly the same which the other doctor advised me not to , and i felt slightly pain on my upper left tibia at that moment . he did it before giving me general anesthesia WTF which means i was watching everything.
by looking at the latest x-ray i still feel that my left tibia is slightly deviated , may be i will have to do correction after recovery.
this is about another patient from Australia who's tibia was straight but deviated from lateral view , he complained alot to Dr Sarin and atlast Dr Sarin exchanged the rods with other rods (2 small rods attached with some screws that could bend 360%) i do not know how to explain it . Atlast his tibia was straight i guess , i can't recall the procedure but he was happy .
I can't really comment or give any advise cause i don't have any knowledge about these things .
But i thought sharing my experience could help you a little..!!
remember my condition and that Australian guy's condition were different .
my condition is like no.2 in the pic and his was number 1 in the pic
(http://C:\Users\Loden\Pictures\Webcam)
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Good news to hear that turning at an accelerated rate on one rod has been advised against by a doctor you believe to be reputable. Mine is just like the Aussie guys in no 1. Looks straight in transverse, but offset almost halfway in the lateral view. Did he say whether or not it is a serious issue? I was completely under the assumption that Sringari would look at that xray and immediately suggest some course of action. I'm not going to lie, I was completely astounded when he nonchalantly said he is going to leave it be and that I might also feel a bump when I run in the future. He then told me of his own bone spurs. I'm still stymied by that whole occurrence.
Machine, I know you're an Indian, bro. Do you live near Gurgaon. If so, you should drop by the guest house. It'd be sweet to meet in person. Let me know if you can. I'll pm the address.
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Also, I turned 2.3 cm before my last xray but Harry said the legs were only 1.5 cm. the doctor said this cant be because the pins aren't bent. So I have no idea where the fk I am right now in lengthening....
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Also, I turned 2.3 cm before my last xray but Harry said the legs were only 1.5 cm. the doctor said this cant be because the pins aren't bent. So I have no idea where the f**k I am right now in lengthening....
That was common in Beijing too. What people "turned" always got more and more inaccurate until they stopped bothering to keep track about 2 months into it. Trust the doctor's x-ray measurements.
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My left toe is still in a state of despair. With all the pains going on in my right leg, I seem to have forgotten or at least neglected its plight. The doctor doesn't even bother to ask about it anymore. I guess he hopes i stop asking at this point.
I asked our new physio about it and he says he saw the same thing in 5 Sarin patients. He said that its mobility came back for them after frame removal. So, i guess that's all I can hope for now. It'll suck if I have a paralyzed toe for life.
Been doing some anatomy research. I think one of the pins penetrated and caught the ligament that controls the movement of the big toe. That's the only thing i can see it being. Something is obviously restricting its movement. Ie. the extensor hallucis longus tendon. Now i'm worried if distracting while this ligament is caught will damage it or ruin its function.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Gray441.png)
Looking at the foot alone, it looks like any pin's insertion could spell catastrophe for the leg. I really want to know what's debilitating my toe.
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I asked our new physio about it and he says he saw the same thing in 5 Sarin patients. He said that its mobility came back for them after frame removal. So, i guess that's all I can hope for now. It'll suck if I have a paralyzed toe for life.
Is your physio Harry? It's nice of him to offer you some comforting words.
Sorry to hear about your plight. I guess some of us have been through the same period. But somehow, everything works out in the end. I planned to take 3 months off of work for this procedure in early 2013 but ended up staying there for 6 months. Luckily, when I came back, my company tried to hire 5 people but no one could do my job. So I got my job back. Beside reaching 8cm in the end, that was the only good thing that happened to me in 2013.
I didn't follow your story. How much cm do you have now? And how long have you stayed there?
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Stop downloading Ashoka1. It's clogging the connection. >:[
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Machine, I know you're an Indian, bro. Do you live near Gurgaon. If so, you should drop by the guest house. It'd be sweet to meet in person. Let me know if you can. I'll pm the address.
thanks for the offer but i can't since my place is like 6 hours through bus from gurgoan ,i actually live in a different state . And there are other reasons too :P :P
anyway , i was there at delhi a week ago and i met Shorty and Disobedient , they were staying at a hotel .
That was common in Beijing too. What people "turned" always got more and more inaccurate until they stopped bothering to keep track about 2 months into it. Trust the doctor's x-ray measurements.
i would believe in trusting the doctor's x-ray measurements too , but i the measurement here is taken as said by Russianblues
The only line of defense stopping any of us from leaving with a discrepancy is a $4 shrunken x-ray done by random faceless "technicians". I'm thankful I've got this far with my only complication being debilitating knee pain that hasn't subsided in 3 months.
During my lengthening , my roommate came out with a easy method to get accurate measurement . and i believe i got 90% idea how
much length i was at..!! the method was as follow
take x-ray with the wrench or any other metal beside your bone gap . ie in the image below.
(http://file:///C:/Users/Loden/Desktop/pic...png)
now the calculation
accurate measurement of the wrench or any other metal in real = x
accurate measurement of the wrench or any other metal in the x-ray = y
accurate measurement of bone gap in x-ray = z
*(make sure the bone gap is very accurate from the edge of the bone cut , since some have good callus formation )
x divided by y ratio is multiplied by z = your accurate distraction length .
* make sure every measurement is accurate since even 1 mm could make difference in calculation .
through this measurement you will get a accurate idea of how much length you have gained so you can keep track of your length .
During frame removal the doctor will measure accurately on the table with some device , so no need to worry for final length or discrepancy.
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Point your sanitized fingers somewhere else, hand_sanitizer. My room-mate and I have been lying in bed without internet for 5 days!!!!
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Why does every other doc's xrays come out grey, but ours are some dark blue hue? Anyway, Harry said he's finding an alternative hospital to xray at. Hopefully, they are more accurate.
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Is your physio Harry? It's nice of him to offer you some comforting words.
Sorry to hear about your plight. I guess some of us have been through the same period. But somehow, everything works out in the end. I planned to take 3 months off of work for this procedure in early 2013 but ended up staying there for 6 months. Luckily, when I came back, my company tried to hire 5 people but no one could do my job. So I got my job back. Beside reaching 8cm in the end, that was the only good thing that happened to me in 2013.
I didn't follow your story. How much cm do you have now? And how long have you stayed there?
You were with Sarin? How has your recovery been?
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Machine,
That spanner ratio calculation looks like a good idea. Thanks.
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Why does every other doc's xrays come out grey, but ours are some dark blue hue? Anyway, Harry said he's finding an alternative hospital to xray at. Hopefully, they are more accurate.
I think the gray ones are straight to digital. The ones in Beijing had a green tint if I remember correctly.
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Machine,
That spanner ratio calculation looks like a good idea. Thanks.
It would be even better to ask the doctor for the length of the nail. It's inside your bone, right in the middle, instead of lying directly on the x-ray table a few cm farther away from the camera than most of your leg.
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You were with Sarin? How has your recovery been?
Hey. Yeah, I had LL with Dr. Sarin on Jan.7. I had a lot of complications and drama while I was there. I even cried while Harry was my physiotherapist. The first month, the pin was hitting the nerve on the side of my knee, so I couldn't bend my knee for a whole month no matter what kind of stretching Harry did. Then finally, they gave me an operation to cut the nerve. Then I had a knee infection, which made me become incapacitated for whole month of Feb. After that was gone, I realized my left leg wasn't lengthening even though I turn 1.25-1.5mm per day. Then again, they took me to hospital for some tweaking of the frame. I thought the issue was resolved, unfortunately, it didn't. By April, the 4th month, there was a 3cm discrepancy between both of my legs. My right leg was at 6.7cm and my left was only at 3cm. At that point, they finally admit that my bone has consolidated on my left. So no matter how much I turn or how the metal frame bent, my left leg wasn't lengthening. So I finally have to be taken to the hospital to have my lower left leg tibia re-broken.
At that point, my ex gf also dumped me and I felt suicidal (but I'm fine now). So for the next 40 days, I turn my left leg at 2mm per day. Yes, it was crazy. But by the end of May when the frame was removed, my left was at 8.1cm (from 3cm) and my right was at 7.8cm. I asked Dr. Sarin to make it 8cm at the operation room and he agreed.
When I returned home at the end of June, I had a massive 6cm of ballerina. I wheeled myself to the airport and they weren't about to let me onbroad due to my condition. But I begged them. So they let me onboard and I flew back home in a wheel-chair. My aunt didn't recognize me at the airport. She was thinking of some dark-skinned begger from a third-world country was waving at her.. But it was me.
I hit the gym every single day. First I cycle. Then I try the steps, from 5mins to now 60mins per day. I also lift heavy weight standing. My only advice to any future LL patient is, don't depend on your physio for your recovery. Your PT can't do the work for you that is needed for recovery.
Now I can lift 90lb (how much is that in kg?), walk up and down the stairs without requiring to hold on the rail, and can stand up taking a shower. Have no ballerina and don't feel any pain. Machine's roommate was here in Vancouver a few weeks ago. He attributed my recovery due to my dedication of going to the gym!
Anyway, that is my story :-)
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Are you overall pleased Smallguy? How's life treating you differently now that you're over 3 inches taller?
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Are you overall pleased Smallguy? How's life treating you differently now that you're over 3 inches taller?
Not really pleased. I had more friends, more laughter and had more dates before LL. Before I was cooperative, sociable and everyone at my company liked me. But when I came back, I became a dckk. Made fun of people's weight and become critical of everyone and everything. Had arguments with management several times. So I recently changed department. Now I have no friends and spent all of my free time lifting weights at the gym.
Kidding on the side, actually, I feel that there are more opportunities open up to me now than I had before. Being 5'9 is of course better than 5'6, but I'm only slightly less than average in height for male in my area. But life feels a lot better than before.
I recently went to a family's dinner at my uncle's house this weekend. I haven't met him for a several years due to some grudges I had with his wife. But he jokingly mentioned that if I was lucky, I would still have my growth spurt at my age. That was 2 years ago. But this weekend when I went to his christmas party, I think he was shocked to see that I looked taller out of no where. Anyway, it was a good feeling like revenge :)
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i know this feeling very well when my left tibia deviated from the Alignment at 7cm i guess , I went into some kind of depression that i will be crippled for life and stuff but you need to be strong and decisive right now .
my foot turned inward and i was really scared , i consulted a real LL doctor in Delhi since Dr Sarin was not even looking at my complication , and the other doctor advised me not to do that (turn one rod more than another) since there was internal nail inside the bone which could break the pin or some other stuff can happen .
but after so many complaints about my issue to Dr Sarin , he finally said he will take care of it during frame removal in one sentence.
and at the time of removal he did exactly the same which the other doctor advised me not to , and i felt slightly pain on my upper left tibia at that moment . he did it before giving me general anesthesia WTF which means i was watching everything.
by looking at the latest x-ray i still feel that my left tibia is slightly deviated , may be i will have to do correction after recovery.
this is about another patient from Australia who's tibia was straight but deviated from lateral view , he complained alot to Dr Sarin and atlast Dr Sarin exchanged the rods with other rods (2 small rods attached with some screws that could bend 360%) i do not know how to explain it . Atlast his tibia was straight i guess , i can't recall the procedure but he was happy .
I can't really comment or give any advise cause i don't have any knowledge about these things .
But i thought sharing my experience could help you a little..!!
remember my condition and that Australian guy's condition were different .
my condition is like no.2 in the pic and his was number 1 in the pic
(http://C:\Users\Loden\Pictures\Webcam)
hey Asoka1
i guess whatever Dr Sarin did was wrong . cause i did my research about it for sometime cause of my issue and i don't think it is advisable to (turn one rod more than another).
As said by the real LL doctor that it is not advisable to (turn one rod more than another) since there is internal nail inside your bone and its dangerous .
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Ashoka1 recent updates.
On my latest x-ray, I had concerns over the alignment of my fibula. The alignment looks so bad to me that I was worried that callus would not be able to form between the fibula ends. I asked the doctor about this and he said that to him the fibula doesn't exist. He said that if it does not consolidate it would be fine and he would not do anything about it. He said that bone is often extracted from the fibula to use as bone transplant, and that it would be okay if my fibula remained disconnected after. Excellent.
Yes, I still have a lot of pain in the right leg. I haven't bent the knee at all since that pin starting cutting near my joint. That was almost 4 weeks ago now. The doctor said he wants the physios to give me a pain killer and then force it to bend. He said if that doesn't work, he'll finally change the pin. I just pray that my fibula's develop some callus so they'll consolidate. The back up plan I guess is to get treatment back home; I'm Canadian. I feel some throbbing and pulsing right under the cut of the tibia break scar and he said he doesn't know what that means. And my right ankle is starting to turn inward. The physios say it's okay (surprise?), but I don't think it is.
I'm trying to angle my sandal so that it keeps straight. I can feel all the pressure on the outside of the foot when I do this. I was measured to be 2.5cm on the latest x-ray, but I don't really trust the measurement. The places he chose to measure from look suspicious to me. Myself as well as another patient, on completely separate occasions, were told by our physio at the hospital that we had to wait 30min after our x-rays because the x-ray technician was on his first day. To me, that is quite the coincidence that two guys are brand new on different days. Makes me think the hospital doesn't have an actual qualified person to make the measurement. Absolutely lovely. I just want 2.5cm more then I'm out. I contemplated frames off right now and calling it a day, but everyone says I'll regret it and they're probably right.
Another issue I'm worried about are the screws he's using to lock the nails on the patients here. I've been reading the nail's documentation, and all the screws suggested have flush ends on them. You're supposed to drill out the hole in the bone under radiography then screw in the screw by hand. The nails on the x-ray have pointed ends and look like a common self-tapping screw metal screw you'd buy at a hardware store. I don't even think they're medical screws..... Every time I sleep I dream of my life before this-- just working and making money, but being completely fit and healthy-- then I wake up to this and it's really kind of depressing. I really just hope I come out okay. FML
I can't offer you counsel on such a serious and life changing manner. All I can suggest to you is that you go to an established doctor who you can see has actually operated on a few people and has them recovered and walking again. This is not something I've seen from the particular doctor I chose. If you cut corners or forego asking questions at the beginning to keep your mind committed, it just ends up coming to bite you when the concerns have to actually be confronted because they're happening to you. When you're in it, you want someone who'll know what to do, not someone who will blow it off.
The shilling campaign for Indian doctors on this site has pulled in a lot of desperate 20-something year olds. The medical system here is insufficient to make it a credible place for LL. If the site had any sense, as it did when old forum A was here, who heavily advised against India, then it would warn against India on the whole. Everyday I hear things from the staff that contradict the tellings of the day prior. I fear for this outcome every moment of my life now...
Everyone is doing okay on the whole here. I don't want to incite sedition against the doctor. The thing that scares everyone here is the feeling of dread, knowing that if something does fuc* up, there is really no means of rectification. The physios say what you want to hear, not what is obvious reality. Knowing that this is the same staff that Sarin employed when all these people got fked up is a constant strain on my mind. They're good guys, but it seems that everything is always positive in their minds. I can't pass final judgement until 5 or 6 months from now, when I'm out and walking. Right now, I'm worried about leg length discrepancies and preserving the appropriate leg function and alignment after frame removal.
The doctor has been purported to be using some sort of measuring device before frame removal now that has very accurate measuring ability. The x-rays being taken aren't being measured by a trained x-ray technician. The measurements have been proven to be up to 2cm away from the actual distraction length. Our physio measures, and before that it was the manager doing the measurement. The datum he chooses to make his measurement is always different from the x-ray prior. I haven't heard this from him myself yet. I'll ask next time I see him.
I am grateful for having the latest patient here, who is Indian as well as a trained doctor. He's whipped the staff into order here and there are sweeping changes in the food and hygiene now. We get our legs cleaned by the nurse now, with a separate basin from the one we spit in when teeth brushing. He uses cotton pads rather than the ragged old towel the caretaker used near our open wounds before. I am certain the use of the teeth cleaning basin contributed to the contraction of my pin infection that put me out for weeks. The doctor visits frequently now as well. It's unfortunate that our complaints were needed to induce the care that should have been established in the first place.
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Just had a series of posts obliterated from Sweden's diary on old forum . It was a dialogue between myself and a new member who was inquiring about the HLN nail. Only managed to salvage my first post since Sysop acted so furtively in his modifications:
"India does not possess a legitimate regulatory body to keep doctors and industry in check, and thus, I highly doubt the nail has any legal bearing or official testing and certification. If there were a law in existence concerning such matters, I'm sure Sarin would have long ago been guilty of transgressing said law. I say this based on the stories I've heard in the past. Crazy6 himself said that a doctor told him he removed the cheapest nail he's ever witnessed in his career upon witnessing it at extraction. With enough effort, you yourself could probably feign being a doctor here and operate on whom and on what you so desire. It wouldn't surprise me if Sarin, on a whim, conceived and fabricated a batch of the wonder-nails in his Dehli garage in a one night drunken delirium. He's also been purported to be offering tibial HLN now, again with no testing or investigation into its function and design. But don't worry, Indian docs, like all other Indians, are super-human. They have the intrinsic power to be able to flout the training and regulation the rest of the world abides and still reign supreme as the best everything in the world. The superpower strikes again."
To avoid the nuisance of having my writing removed without any prior warning or my consent, I will be updating only on this OPEN forum. I know it's not as popular, but at least I can exercise the ability to express everything here without pandering to that sad man's will. I requested to have my account deleted before, and that request was pending for over 5 days and nothing happened. Sysop, you can delete my account for all I care.
To update those at all interested:
My last two x-rays were taken on the 7th and 25th of January. On the 7th I was measured at 2.5cm and on the 25th, where I was expecting AT LEAST 3.5cm, I supposedly only gained 0.5cm. I was turning the 0.77mm/day during this time period. Ever since the 25th I've been turning 1.25mm/day with two days at 1.5mm/day for two days. I need to get to at least 5cm before the 23rd of February. My currency took an unexpected dip in the USD exchange rate and I'll barely be able to afford one month now. The doctor said he thinks the x-ray is inaccurate, but didn't know what to say with regards to where all that turning went. He said I don't have bent pins so... The top pins look heavily bent to me, but he says they are not.
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I hope that guy took my imploring against undergoing HLN with Sarin to height. I don't know if he knows about LL Forum and I obviously can't PM him to inform him.
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The posts were moved to a new thread regarding the legality of the HLN in India. Can be found in general lengthening zone.
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Good to know your posts aren't getting randomly deleted. Would dtill be good for more people to know about this forum. I thinm we're dong pretty well in site growth. 276 members in this short of time is great.
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I also find it a bit annoying that our currency drops by so much and our wages stays the same.
Yeah, remember the plan. Get your length, wheel yourself to the airport, if ask, answer them you can walk yourself to the washroom if you try (otherwise they won't allow you on the plane), and come back home for recovery. Home is the best place for recovery. Visit your family doctor or find a new one, and he'll refer you to an orthopaedic at your city general hospital.
If your goal is 5cm, then you're already half-way there. If I were you, I wouldn't lengthen so slowly due to pin-loss or compression due to standing.
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That's the reasoning behind the accelerated rate now. If I'm only going to be receiving 40% of my turn amount for whatever idiopathic cause, then I have no qualms in turning in excess of 1mm/day. I really regret only turning 0.75mm for so long, but I was trying to play it safe.
I got told by an Indian patient on old forum that it's my own fault for travelling to India, and that I should not speak poorly of his beloved country. Typical Indian mentality: boast to westerners about how conducive and welcoming their country is to international prospective patients then turn around and point the finger at you when what you are sold is not close to what you receive. This guy tried to make me amenable to the absurd social ills rampant in India. I attempted having a rational and objective conversation with him, but his emotion got the best of him and he launched a huge affront against the whole western world, blaming it principally for all ills and injustices occurring in India. Keep in mind this guy lives and prospers in the west..... I had no intent in making this a known issue, but if he's going to challenge me directly then I'm obligated to give my side. Needless to say, I have given up on arguing a lost cause with him. To each their own.
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That's the reasoning behind the accelerated rate now. If I'm only going to be receiving 40% of my turn amount for whatever idiopathic cause, then I have no qualms in turning in excess of 1mm/day. I really regret only turning 0.75mm for so long, but I was trying to play it safe.
I got told by an Indian patient on old forum that it's my own fault for travelling to India, and that I should not speak poorly of his beloved country. Typical Indian mentality: boast to westerners about how conducive and welcoming their country is to international prospective patients then turn around and point the finger at you when what you are sold is not close to what you receive. This guy tried to make me amenable to the absurd social ills rampant in India. I attempted having a rational and objective conversation with him, but his emotion got the best of him and he launched a huge affront against the whole western world, blaming it principally for all ills and injustices occurring in India. Keep in mind this guy lives and prospers in the west..... I had no intent in making this a known issue, but if he's going to challenge me directly then I'm obligated to give my side. Needless to say, I have given up on arguing a lost cause with him. To each their own.
I guess it's all about learning and experience. My opinion is it's more safe to have the frames removed than living and having them on. As you know, you are living with open wounds and being in constant pain due to the pin either hitting your nerve or tearing through your muscle. You never know. If your situation is bad enough, you may also have to stop lengthening immediately and go home. One of the guy from my city had a bone infection. We were sleeping through several nights in the Indian scotchingly hot summer heat of 50 degrees because there was a power outage. His infection became so severe he has to stop lengthening and had to go home with a 2cm discrepancy. He hasn't answer my email ever since so I don't know how he will do about this.
I agree. When you're in India, it's no longer safe. So you should get what you as quickly as possible and go home. I know.. maybe your doctors and the staffs may have excellence intention. But their standard can never be like what it is here at home.
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Hey small,
How was his bone infection identified? Was it due to pain or can the infection be seen on the x-ray? I was worried about contracting a bone infection when I had a pin site infection but they just said I didn't without doing anything in particular...
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hi. Ashoka 1 i read your whole story here and old forum . .why did you choose dr. Sringari?
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For the price. I have no qualms with the doc, really. He says some odd things from time to time that make me worry, and we had a talk today about that. He reassured me on a lot of the pertinent medical issues, ie. he's is now going forward ensuring he takes a final measurement at frame removal and will make the appropriate adjustments. He offered up his personal cell number for direct contact concerning medical issues. It's all the other bureaucratic bull one has to deal with here that gets tedious over the long haul. If I end up taller and healthy I will be content with the decision.
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Hey small,
How was his bone infection identified? Was it due to pain or can the infection be seen on the x-ray? I was worried about contracting a bone infection when I had a pin site infection but they just said I didn't without doing anything in particular...
Yes, they can be identified in the x-ray. You can google it. And you would have a period of traumatic fever. Unluckily, I didn't have a bone infection so I wouldn't know what to look for.
Regarding the pin site, there won't be much you can do about it. I just leave the scab on and hope for the best. That's why I also find having the frames on is the hardest part of LL. Also, I took a lot of vitamin C to bolster my body immune system.
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Ah king Ashoka, it's always a pleasure to read ur positive glowing review. u're such an optimist :P
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Check your PM, please.
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A quick note, the patient requested change of profile name to Polycrates.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwHMwpRYIUg
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On the plus side, that's some nice knee flexibility you have.
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Yeah, I guess so...
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Anyone with any inkling to come to this place steer clear. So much nonsense has come to light that is totally absurd and I can't believe I'm stuck in this situation. I'll explain in a more detailed post tomorrow after we all meet with the doctor to explain various issues.
I'll just let you know for now that one patient has been threatened with actions involving the police being taken against him if he does not leave the guest house by a certain date. This after him being assured the issues leading to it were going to be resolved months ago.
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Whoa, is the police threat coming from Dr. Sringari or people who manage the guesthouse?
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The threat was from the manager (aka. crazy+6). The doctor is claiming innocence in the matters unfolding and says he will come to meet us tomorrow morning. My main frustration is the constant lying and dismissive attitudes. I do not trust any of these people any more, and all the lies told were so pathetic and petty. They were simply unneeded lies about the stupidest things that they know we know are untrue, yet they try to convince us otherwise.
My primary concern above all else still remains to get out healthy and leave it behind. I'm really worried about my toe now. All external sources I've contacted say it is a nerve issue with possible permanent paralysis. The physio adamantly claims it's a muscle and gets mad if I try to argue otherwise. He finally said I can ask the doctor, so we'll see what he says.
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I thought Sarin was the doctor with legions of villains running his practice, but it seems Sringari is plagued with this also.
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LOL so crazy+6 manages the guesthouse? Now it's pretty fking obvious that him and SysOp/Apo cut a deal with Sringari...
If a doctor gets mad if you try to argue otherwise about your toe, that's scary and probably means he's in denial. I hope you get out of there without any serious problems.
Sringari's practice is plagued with villains because the same villains from before moved here. The same villains also pushed his practice on old forum .
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Wait, so the manager of Dr. Sringari's guest house is seriously the same person as Crazy+6 on old forum ? This is, well... Crazy.
How did you find out about this? This saga never stops unfolding and getting more complicated. I'm glad it's all coming to light at last, but it's really saddening that good folks like yourself weren't able to find out about it all before getting screwed.
I hope that, in the future, stem cell research or some other tissue-regeneration technology will allow you to regain full control of your toe.
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Polycrates, was the threat made towards my old room mate?
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I'm really worried about my toe now. All external sources I've contacted say it is a nerve issue with possible permanent paralysis. The physio adamantly claims it's a muscle and gets mad if I try to argue otherwise. He finally said I can ask the doctor, so we'll see what he says.
I have advise from a patient who read about your situation.. I am quoting the message as follows.
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1) Seek Medical attention from Other Doctors or Medical Professionals; ones who are not biased or there to give you phoney, crappy stories to appease your worries when obvious medical issues are there and should not be ignored. And ones who are competent.
Sometimes it resolves on its own, other times you need early intervention to help it or else it may become permanent.
I'm not sure what the prognosis would be; nor am I qualified to make any assumptions. I am not a Doctor,...the only reasonable explanation and one I heard over and over again is similar to Dr. BirkHoltz which is a nerve injury.
I remember the responses I got from Dr. Sarin, his staff, and Dr. Sringari; and I would say definitely get advice, tests, and possible treatment elsewhere!!!
Take everyone's words (including mine if you wish) with a grain of salt. Don't base your judgements out of simple convenience or laziness....Go out and seek medical advice and attention from a number of different source and then base your overall judgement based on what the overall majority conclusion is, based on evidence and research.
Also, when you are reading on the internet for diagnosing medical problems...remember, most things that are on the internet cannot relate to our specific issues on cosmetic Limb Lengthenning.
A site or literature that talks about Neuropathy / polyneuropathy cannot be expanded to everyone's situation, because everyone's situation is unique. And medical field is rapidly changing every year that old data is replace with newer data; Doctors have to be re-certified / trained every few years to keep up with new medical advances.
See qualified Doctors who will give you proper medical help.
Not doctors who do work that is out of their field of specialization (A Knee Replacement Ortho (Sringari) or General Otho (Sarin) is Not the same as a Spinal Ortho or a LL Ortho)....Just like a Regular dentist is not as specialized compared to a Periodontist (in terms in gum and jaw) or Dental Surgeon.
The people I've met working under Dr. Sarin's care (and now under Dr. Sringari) are medically not comparable to Western standards.
Students hired straight out of finishing a Bachelors in Physiotherapy from INdia. The text books they were learning in, most are still black and white and printed in the 1970s, 1980s....
Also, Physiotherapist IS Not the same as a Neurologist or an LL Orthopaedic Surgeon who specializes in LL.
2) Get Tests done - Ex. NCS and EMG (On the EMG, make sure they put the Needles inside the Extensor Hallucis Longus for both legs to compare)
Also, a Neurologist might prescribe special Neurotonics to stimulate the Axons on the nerves to grow and "Reach out" to the distal (dead end) of the adjacent nerve so that they could reconnect (very important AND must be done on a timely manner, if the 2 Axons don't meet up again, either surgery must be done quickly to re-attach it (See a Neurosurgeon) or you risk permanent paralysis).
3) Finally, I read that he was planning to do a nerve release on frame removal. I asked several Doc that were not Sarin or Sringari (qualified LL Orthos and Neurosugeons) and they all told me the same: It's too late to do a nerve release now because the area is not compressed anymore from the initial trauma, swelling, and possible compartment sydrome.
Doing a nerve release now will not help a nerve that has been already injured / dead. It is only useful at the beginning to relieve pressue and save the nerve.
What's more, an inexperienced Doctor doing a nerve release may involuntary injure the nerve even more, or worse, cut/rupture which is permanent paralysis (if the nerve was initially spared at the beginning and was undergoing healing).
Also, Do NOT do a Tendon Transfer or Tenodesis
If your nerve is recovering, then doing a tendon transfer will destroy your Extensor Halluciis forever.
What that is, is the surgeon cuts the tendon attached to the Extensor Hallucis Longus of your big toe and re-attaches it to your Extensor Digitorium (the tendon that controls your smaller toes). What that means is that your Extensor Hallucis Longus dies from eventual Atrophy and your leg looks deformed because a muscle is "dead."
For Example: On your fingers, there are 5 tendons that controls each figure individially. If I cut your tendon on your index finger and reattach it to your middle figure, it means in the future, when you move your middle finger, your index would move too....so both are moving together and not separate anymore....same thing with this, cut the extensor hallucis, and attach to Digitourim, so when you mean, you will be using a different muscle to compensate and move your leg.
The above tendon transfer is what Other MEdical Doctors advised me, is a LAST resort after many YEARS if other treatments or surgeries (Ex. Nerve Graft) or body's natural healing does not work)
4) Take responsibility on your own health.
Get advice from people who are MEDICALLY QUALIFIED.
Learn about what happened, and what could be done to relieve / fix it.
Learn about the habits that could made it worse (Pressure on Sciatic Nerve) and also get the prescription to stimulate nerve growth asap
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The police threat was brought to light vicariously. It was purported to have been told behind closed doors to urge this particular patient to leave. It all comes down a visa issue that should have been simply resolved long ago while said person was still valid in the country.
The meeting occurred today and we vented many issues regarding the management of this place. The doctor said he was completely unaware of the issues involving thievery and indolence of the managers. I still think that it is negligent of the doctor to enter a business practice with these people without fleshing out all the details. I do genuinely think he is good and sincere but his actions-- be it due to time constraints or gullibility-- must be made accountable for. We'll see how he ultimately chooses to handle the fiasco he's found himself in.
Yes, all the rumours regarding crazy+6 seem to be true. It was well hidden and is still not verified by Sunny the pseudo-manager, but it has been proven beyond more than a reasonable doubt. I have no qualms calling this guy a spineless piece of because I messaged him on old forum asking for a truthful answer and he told me that he lives 300km from Dehli and has no involvement whatsoever in this practice. Some people might not find it a big deal, but the thing I hate most in life is being lied to, and the more unnecessary the lying, the more I get pissed off. All I wanted was a truthful answer. He can't even come and reveal himself like a man, the cowardly fk.
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Regarding the toe, Sringari told me once again he thinks it'll come back, but if it doesn't, he says, to him it's "not a big deal". I'm going to be out of frames in the next 10 or so days and I'll definitely seek the advice of a neurologist once I'm out.
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Wish you luck, Polycrates. Hopefully someone there will be able to help you.
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My roommate's toe stopped working right after the surgery ... it was because of the wrong placement of pin which pressurised the nerve i guess .
Later after consulting other doctors He came to know that it could have been avoided if Sarin had done another surgery to fix it within 24 hours of the major surgery which ofcourse he didn't cause he is too sloppy and wanted to cut costs .
during his lengthening period his toe didn't work but right after frame removal it gradually started working .
I can recall him asking Dr Sarin so many times about the issue but Sarin never really gave a clear answer except for *don't worry , everything will be OK* . He ended up going to neurologist himself and counsulted other doctors for answers while lengthening .
i hope your toe will also hip hop after frame removal :)
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Machine,
That is soothing news for the nerves to hear-- no pun intended. Honestly, I appreciate your frankness and consolation. Always look forward to your posts. I blew up on Harry today while he was trying to make up some story to exculpate the doctor's responsibility and now he says he'll take me to see a neurologist. He knows all his lying telling me it was a muscle when he knew full well it wasn't was wrong. It seems he may have a conscience after all, you just need to scold him for it to be exercised. We'll see if they follow through with this. I am so anxious for frame removal now to relieve that nerve because all sources say the longer its pressurized, the less chance it has of recovering.
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thanks for the appreciation bro and thank you for writing the truth and of your honesty , you just saved many other patients from taking a wrong decision .
Anyway just wanted to say that before going for any kinda of test or for consultation i think you should read and understand the post by dameon because i believe it is an invaluable information regarding your condition .
TC
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Lets hope you recover the hability to move your toe.
Because you will probably walk a little "funny" without it.
Do you remove your frames soon ?
From what i read i would say Sarin looks even better at doing LL than Sringari...
But they are both really really risky choices.
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I thought Sarin was the doctor with legions of villains running his practice, but it seems Sringari is plagued with this also.
Don't you know those people left Sarin to work for Sringari? That's Harry, Sunny and Crazy. No surprise the same problems are ongoing.
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Guys, Dr. Sringari is Dr. Sarin in disguise...
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Guys, Dr. Sringari is Dr. Sarin in disguise...
It's not.
Let's not confuse new readers.
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Guys, Dr. Sringari is Dr. Sarin in disguise...
Sarin thought growing an 80's pornstar moustache would hide him..
What a pathetic attempt..
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dr. Sarin is better than dr. Sringari..
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If they both jack up your legs then it probably doesn't matter if one is better than the other.
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Saw the neurological consultant doctor today and he took some sensory tests. Told me the nerves still intact but is debilitated. He told me he's quite certain it will retain 3-4 weeks afters frame removal and he prescribed me a drug called benfomet plus.
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I am in shock............................
tell me everything i need to know!
I suspected something was wrong when the personal message system was taken offline...........
but WOW........... crazy is phantom, manager of sarin guest house, and manager of sringari guest house.
I feel hurt............. I was seriously going to go to sringari.............. so you gys think sringari would fk me up? even if i didn't live in the guest house?
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The guest house s**t really pissed me off and completely spoiled this experience for me. If you were to go to Sringari and establish housing and physio on your own accord then he could possibly be a feasible situation. He is a good guy with good intention in trying to help you, but if I knew what I know now I personally would not have come.
He is the head trauma orthopaedic surgeon at the hospital and seems to always be working. This practice for him seems to be on the side burner, if that. Also, his knowledge and experience with LL has been known to come into question. Everyone here so far has been lucky to have not had a serious problem. I'd say I have the most serious problem with the paralysis in the toe and I don't think he's handled it appropriately. If it comes back, which another doctor I've spoken to says it should, then I will count myself extremely lucky.
There seem to be better options in India if you have to forego the guest house. Parihar, for instance. I would have gone with him and settled my own physio and apartment if I knew how the guest house was operated. For what you pay for the guest house, you can take yourself and create a paradise in India, if you do your research. Everyone here in the guest house wanted that feeling of camaraderie and inclusion, so I'd suggest members on this forum to reach out to each other and create a coalition to go to a doctor that is more qualified but does not offer a guest house.
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what is your opinion of the doctors from sparsh hospital where crazy did his tibia surgery?
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Dr Patil and Dr Tejwani only do externals, and last I checked they were quoting $6,000 USD for the surgery. You have to pay for caretaker, residence, and food on your own. Even with that though it would come out pretty inexpensive in comparison to other doctors. They did offer LON at one point but after a patient got non-union they stopped offering it.
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Ask that conniving little snake yourself, if he's willing to give an honest answer for once in his life.
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Ask that conniving little snake yourself, if he's willing to give an honest answer for once in his life.
According to Crazy+6:
"Dr. Amar Sarin is very experienced and knowledgeable doctor. If I compare him with Dr. Tejwani in scale of 0-10. Dr. Tejwani would get 5 and Dr. Sarin would get 10. He is way far experienced than him. Please note I am not saying Dr. Tejwani is a bad doctor but he is less experienced."
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Yeah Sarin looks experienced, his big problem is that he doesnt give a F... like many others. We are in underground mod 8), Russian roulette mod. Parihar looks more skilled than Sarin i have seen his video, its quite impressive.
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Yeah Sarin looks experienced, his big problem is that he doesnt give a F... like many others. We are in underground mod 8), Russian roulette mod. Parihar looks more skilled than Sarin i have seen his video, its quite impressive.
Dr Parihar has trained with Dr. Paley. That's comforting to know purely based on qualifications.
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Indeed thats good to know, but just hearing him answering about techincal subjects tells you that he knows his thing. Only problem with him is that he doesn't do a lot of cosmetic LL and doesnt recommend standing which i find a little weird.
Keep up the good work Kilokahn... are you Indian by the way ?
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Indeed thats good to know, but just hearing him answering about techincal subjects tells you that he knows his thing. Only problem with him is that he doesn't do a lot of cosmetic LL and doesnt recommend standing which i find a little weird.
Keep up the good work Kilokahn... are you Indian by the way ?
There seems to be quite a split between docs on how beneficial weight bearing is. I think there is benefit to being cautious with weight bearing during the lengthening phase. If you bend a rod or something or fall that can lead to other surgeries.
I'm not Indian, but I do have a good group of friends from India and Kashmir.
(Sorry to hijack your LL experience, Polycrates. I can ask Dameon move this stuff to a different topic like Dr Parihar's thread if you want).
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Beside your toe everything else is "ok".
I'm happy you have visited an neurologist and that he described you a drug; he did told your toe would "heal" in time even without the drug.
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Little update on my condition:
Got another x-ray today. My last x-ray was taken on Fri Feb. 14. My measurements were 4.6cm in the left leg and 4.7cm in the right on that x-ray. Today's x-rays were 4.9cm and 5.2cm in those respective legs. I have identified a loose pin on my left knee. I suspected it broke inside, it was so loose, but the doctor insists if it were broken it would have done so on the outside of the leg. He said there's no point in replacing it this late, it'll be fine/it'll calm down...Regardless, I've been turning 1mm/day on both legs this past week. Therefore, I've gotten 71% of what I've turned this past week on the right, and only 43% of it on the left.....
I've created this tentative turn scheme (attachment, turns1.jpeg) for the last week. It's what I'll most likely follow. If the loss percentages remain constant, I should end up with equal distraction on both legs. I guess I'll need to spend a couple days to even out at the end. I am aiming for 5.5cm-6cm, so I will book a frame removal for the week of March 3rd.
71% of 5.5mm on right leg---> 4mm
43% of 9.25mm on left leg ---> 4mm
I'll post the x-ray ASAP.
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This is just a plan, of course. These x-rays have been so shoddy, I honestly am at a loss with what to do.... I have no idea what my actual distraction/discrepancy is, and the doctor doesn't seemed too concerned about it.
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In Beijing they didn't trust the devices' turn rate at all. Measurements were all done on x-rays. My advice would be to trust the doctors' x-rays over how much you've turned, however unreliable you think the x-rays might be.
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Bilateral X-ray:
Right Leg:
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Left Leg:
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The actual length of the object is 5.3cm. This rod was used at the discretion of the doctor. The rod was situated in the anterior position and approximated to the sagittal plane of the bone. So if I use that formula, I get 4.8cm for the right leg and 4.5cm for the left. But the physio told me that it's not accurate in the x-ray...
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The doctor has never made a measurement on an x-ray himself. He just quickly peruses. I'll ask him of my plan and what he recommends on Monday. If I continue to turn equally I fear it'll exacerbate the growing discrepancy.
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Hey man,
I'm rooting for you!
Your doctor is correct. If you can reach your goal and your loose pin can be maintained without having to go through another traumatic surgery, then just maintain it.
Yes, the x-ray is not accurate. But give or take, it shouldn't be too far away from your actual length. Did you measure your tibia externally? It doesn't matter if your gaps are equal but your legs are disproportion. I would care more about the external length of my legs than my x-ray.
How is your toe coming along? Have you tried slowing down or taking a break to recover the sensory of your toe? Machine's roommate's toe recovered after he came back to Canada and is now walking around freely.
Pop a few pain-killer and man-out this last few weeks of your lengthening. Good-luck!
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I'll deal with the toe after frames are off. The neuro-consultant is a gold medallist (according to Harry-- apparently that's a medical accolade here) and he is of the opinion the nerve is intact. From your experience, do my x-rays look okay? Everyone's x-rays appear straight from the anterior but always misaligned in the lateral. Sringari always tells us this lateral misalignment won't be an issue, but I can't say I am content with that answer.
He has also been adamant all along that the nail will ensure the bones do not misalign, but Dr. Birkholtz reasoned that a nail does not possess the capacity to prevent this happening and a doctor should therefore remain prudent in combating deviations. This is in the x-leg thread under general. Sringari has never performed a single correct on any patient. Ever.
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I'll deal with the toe after frames are off. The neuro-consultant is a gold medallist (according to Harry-- apparently that's a medical accolade here) and he is of the opinion the nerve is intact. From your experience, do my x-rays look okay? Everyone's x-rays appear straight from the anterior but always misaligned in the lateral. Sringari always tells us this lateral misalignment won't be an issue, but I can't say I am content with that answer.
He has also been adamant all along that the nail will ensure the bones do not misalign, but Dr. Birkholtz reasoned that a nail does not possess the capacity to prevent this happening and a doctor should therefore remain prudent in combating deviations. This is in the x-leg thread under general. Sringari has never performed a single correct on any patient. Ever.
Yes, Dr. Sarin also told me that the nail will prevent the bones misalignment. I brought this up issue of x-leg many times to many people, including Modh, Harry, Dr. Sarin, his staff, and my roommate. They all assure me that once I start walking again, the x-leg on my right tibia will go away. And guess what, I now have x-leg on my right. So I think Dr. Franz is right. But if your doctor is so adamant and refuses to correct your problem, then there is nothing you can do about it... maybe harass him more? Now that you see this post and my result, I think you should try to get this corrected before your bone consolidate. Otherwise, when you come back to Canada, you'll have this problem to contend with.
If you have x-leg, you can visually see it externally without having to view the x-ray.
But if you turn out to have x-leg in the end, dont feel too bad about it. Even Dr. Dragoon patient has it (sick joke).
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I think x-leg is cause by a misalignment in the longitudinal axis, but I honestly haven't a clue. The lateral shows deviation in the lateral axis.
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This is what x-legs look like in an x-ray (attached image). All of our x-rays from the anterior have appeared straight.
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I think x-leg is cause by a misalignment in the longitudinal axis, but I honestly haven't a clue. The lateral shows deviation in the lateral axis.
I haven't got a clue neither.
Can you take a photo of your external tibias and post it? I'm not a doctor but if you have x-leg, then you can visually see it by now, externally.
I had the same frames on as you. Went through the whole ordeal. But x-leg only happens to my right. I spotted it visually when it was at 3cm. Don't worry about some theoretical concept. If you can't see your x-legs visually by now, then you won't have it.
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I'll get Sukesh to take a pic tomorrow.
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The doctor has never made a measurement on an x-ray himself. He just quickly peruses. I'll ask him of my plan and what he recommends on Monday. If I continue to turn equally I fear it'll exacerbate the growing discrepancy.
This is just a plan, of course. These x-rays have been so shoddy, I honestly am at a loss with what to do.... I have no idea what my actual distraction/discrepancy is, and the doctor doesn't seemed too concerned about it.
From a patient's advice about limb length discrepancy, quoting the message.
" The proper way to measures is from Hip to feet similar in fashion to Dr. Paley or Dr. Rozbruch, and the measurements are done by computer software.
Anyone who is thinking about taking off their frames and worries about limb length equality OR misalignment (Ex. X-Legs) and how to correct it (Frames are required BUT IM Nail/Rod need to be taken out) should go contact another, hopefully better Orthopedic Surgeon."
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Pics of legs didn't come out very well. I'll get a standing shot tomorrow with a DSLR. Found an interesting case study by Dr. Chuadhary, who I know has a poor reputation among some. His article seems concise and well written though:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2739482/
I've been anxious over the possible consequence of my lateral misalignment in the right leg. From what I've gathered, this type of axial misalignment works to cause either a procurvatum or recurvatum condition (shown in attached picture). Sringari says it's fine, but as I've stated, he says most anything is fine. In Chaudhary's study, he states:
"In our series, we had 29.6% complications (eight in 27 lengthenings). There was one problem, three obstacles and three sequelae. We had to perform only four surgeries - two major (deformity correction with Taylor Spatial Frame (TSF)fixator, iliac crest bone grafting) and two minor (percutaneous TA Lengthening, repeat corticotomy). One of our sequelae was minor - a deformity of 10° tibial procurvatum, which did not interfere with function. One patient developed a premature consolidation of the femur, which left him 8 cm short. Most important, we did not have any deep medullary infection as compared to one out of 42 in Kocaoglu's series and three out of 20 in the series of Simpson (15%). However, two of the three infections in Simpson's series had shortening due to compound fractures and previous infection."
Feared Complications:
Procurvatum--
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His statement would indicate that Sringari is correct in his assertion that an angular deviation within specific parameters will not cause a defect or malfunction of the leg. My deviation seems to be very subtle, so I am soothed by this. I turned my outer rods an extra two turns today, and it may be placebo, but I feel like so outward stresses have been relieved. I'll get an anterior x-ray if not tomorrow then by Wednesday to see how my alignment in that axis is doing. Haven't had an anterior x-rays in well over a month and I don't want x-legs!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Anterior X-ray from 2 months ago with straight bone apparent. Haven't had anterior since.
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Standing:
Bearing weight awkwardly. Excuse the soiled shirt. Haven't stood in so long, and it felt very awkward:
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Are you afraid of the above? (picture) I don't know what people call it. Ox leg? If you do, take a side-way photo, then we can tell whether you develop it or not.
Looking at your front, I think it looks fine. The metal frame mechanism makes your tibias lengthen outward, but I can see the lower part of your tibias are curving inward. So I can imagine when you put your knees together, your ankles will touch.
However, I think you should send these pictures to a qualified doctors for their opinion (maybe Dr. Franz or Paley?). But if it was me, I wouldn't be too worried about it.
And congratulation. Maybe no one comments on your photo so far because they are drooling over your 2 inches height increase. 2.5 by the time you finish.
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I'm afraid of many things right now. Feel like I have to play my own doctor to a certain extent. Yes, I hope by the grace of the unforgiving and cruel gods that everything lines up and comes out right, but may that be naive? We'll see how straight it looks after my CT. If it's bent significantly I'll try to correct it myself by turning the outer rods more and retracting the inner rod. This is what I've been told should be done by other various sources.
Sringari saying a nail cannot allow an x-leg formation to occur has been contradicted by 3 other doctors I've enquired with now.... Dr. Barinov, Dr. Birkholtz and Dr Chaudhary all say that deviation and malalignment must be actively monitored by the surgeon during LON. Sringari tried making the assertion that deviation about the nail was an impossible notion. Just want to get out of here and back home to assess the damage done.
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You're doing everything correctly at this moment. Access the situation and try your best to minimize the complication as much as possible. That doesn't mean that your tibias are misaligned. I find they look alright from the frontal view. But taking precaution is always the correct step.
I don't really believe in any god. I stop praying when I was 17 when I wished to become 1inch taller and look more handsome. Both wishes were never fulfilled.
Feeling fear is a good thing. It confirms that you are still alive. Believe it or not, if you own any nike garment at this moment, Nike the god of war is currently with you. You may be putting them on right now or they may be tucked away underneath your bed or stored in your suitcase. I think the best way to die is to die fighting in the battlefield where you have the chance to grip for your last breath. But if you make it out of this procedure alive and come back home, you will forever be changed.
Look forward to your CT scan. But whatever happens, Nike the god of war is with you.
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Could you use MS Paint to mark where you think the deviation is? That photograph looks fine to me.
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I received benedictions from the ancient gods at a young age, and I supplicate to Jupiter as if it were a second nature. The old guys lay dormant beneath the crust of the earth, and their omniscience is present through the celestial sphere. I don't pray to false gods, and I don't pray for joy. I pray in fear of committing hubris. Perhaps a sacrifice is in order to appease their will.
Got the CT scan done today. Measurements were 4.3cm in the left and 4.7cm in the right, so it's good I took it as it shows the x-rays were 5mm inaccurate. Bones appear straight. Will post ASAP.
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CT Scans:
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I've hit a tremendous setback. Since Saturday, whenever my left foot is pulled upward even slightly, there is a severe and painful sharp shooting sensation originating in the small toe and travelling all the way down the foot and up the back of the leg. I can still move all the toes (bar the big one). I was hoping to get to 5.5cm, but it looks like now I might not even reach 5cm. I haven't turned since Saturday. I'm hoping I'm around 5cm now, but my left leg was already a few mm behind my right, so I might need to turn the right back. We'll see what the doc says....
Been reading more on nerves and it seems the nerve that functions as the sensory nerve in the fifth toe is an absolute cutaneous nerve, meaning it serves no motor function. The sural nerve is apparently removed quite often for biopsy. I don't know if this means I should ignore the shocks and continue turning or if I should keep waiting. Haven't turned since Saturday and haven't gotten the opportunity to consult the doctor about it either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sural_nerve
Regardless, this being the foot with the disabled first toe, I'm certain something is amiss with the nerves on the whole in this leg. Just hope everything fleshes out in the end.
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He can make the argument that he tried to help me, but what he really did was con me. I could very well be in Serbia with Dr. Mitkovic or one of the other doctors who have been revealed by this forum that would have fit well within my budget. Instead of leaving the Sarin disaster behind and counting the site's losses, he went out of his way to find the next willing surgeon to participate in his scheme. Unfortunately for me, I didn't establish a solid presence on this site until too late. My surgeon is by no means a quack, but he is clearly inexperienced/rusty in Ilizarov. I just hope I come out okay, but if not I should be able to receive care back home. Some patients here, due to their nationalities, may not be as fortunate...
Yeah, had we know about this site, I would have gone to Russia because I was cheap at that time. But seeing the seriousness of the complication and the down-time at the result of these complications, I should have pay more and have gone to a more qualified doctor.
Help at home is available. However, they will only operate on you if your complication is a serious threat to your current well-being, like a bone non-union. Otherwise, you will have to wait for several years until you fully recover before they will operate on you again, for such hassles, like x-leg, numbness, nerves, and other issues. This is what my friend in Edmonton told me.
I was supposed to see my doc back in January but due to the long wait list, I won't be able to see him until the 17th of this month. I pray that he will fix my complication (1cm discrepancy and x-leg); otherwise, it will be a blow to my future plan. Like Germany, they may turn around and say my discrepancy is not enough to affect my well-being or give other kind of excuses to not fix it. But we'll see on the 17th.
Well, whatever that con-artist said, he was certainly not happy at Sarin for not accepting his deals. For all the idiots like us who were lured to his advertising scheme, he made some commissions... maybe not a sizeable amount of money but probably enough that he won't need a full-time job, could spend all his time on his website, and spend all the time at the gym to fix his freakiest proportion... not to mention, learn a little photo-shopping skill here and there which might be useful, like for lengthening his arms in his photo. We're lucky that our doctors were not all-quack (mine was borderline) but had we been disabled for life, I don't think that man would really care. As you can see his comments regarding Dr. Franz, his logic is twisted and he is manipulative.
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I think what he meant was be careful with any present or forthcoming old forum diaries. That's the problem with the site owner who has conflict of interest; there's always suspicion somewhere.
I think the present Precice 2 old forum diaries by Dr Paley, Dr Donghoon Lee and Dr M are real. I could be wrong though but unlikely.
Are you saying Precice2 diaries in old forum are fake???
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The irony that he can accuse others of specious employment because they spend too much time on a forum is especially humorous. There's never a moment in time where you'll not see either Sysop, Apotheosis, or one of the many other potential alter-egos active on the site. I'm well-conditioned to having something occur before me, and then having someone immediately tell me to my face that it never occurred, after having spent four months in India.
A liar is a liar, but I'd think you'd want to exercise some cunning and deception in your art, not just try to piss on someone's leg and call it rain day after day. Needless to say, my mind is now thoroughly boggled. What is truth, what is fiction? What is based in reality, and what is not? Am I still in mortal existence or have I experienced my "Apotheosis" to the realms of the gods? These are the profound questions I ask myself at every moment now. If I were told otherwise, I'd believe it with fierce conviction by now.
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It looks like he paranoically monitors this forum that he knows a doctor regularly posts here. But he's wrong, Dr B only visits this site at night (local time) which is the time after his clinic hours.
The irony that he can accuse others of specious employment because they spend too much time on a forum is especially humorous.
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I appreciate your honesty in this diary, unlike another person who is keeping silence on all this. I've been pm'ing a guy on LL Forum and I am disgusted.
Big faker is a coward for keeping his mouth shut about his complications, far from a honest diary he promised. A new guy wants to come to Dr Sringari, the management told bigfaker to talk to him on skype and he's not telling him the truth.
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Update: Had new x-rays on Saturday. The measurements are sporadic as usual, but I think I've gotten over 5cm by now, so I'm calling it quits. I've booked frame removal for Thursday, which probably means sometime between the 17th and 21st in reality. The doctor came today. I told him I'm worried about a discrepancy. I told him the left leg has been lagging behind the first on all x-rays except for this last one, where they're said to be equal. He glanced at my legs, touched the ankles of both legs, and somehow deduced from this act that they were equal and told me not to worry. To me, the gap on the right leg looks substantially larger, but perhaps this is just the way it's cut. Not going to worry about it too much I guess... it is what it is.
Regarding the Big Faker, he is alive and well here. He's not as vocal as I may be, but he is just as discontent as I am on many issues. I've definitely become the most outspoken here, so perhaps the others feel no need to speak out as much. I'll let him speak for himself though. I've heard of the new patient, but he's not contacted me as yet, and the management haven't put me in contact with him (big surprise?). If he comes to the guest house, I'll definitely be telling him there look to be better options out there for the money.
New x-rays ASAP.
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*Actual length of rod: 5.4cm
Left leg anterior:
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Left leg lateral:
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Right leg anterior:
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Right leg lateral:
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Looking good in terms of bone growth and alignment. It's hard to tell the exact gains by just measuring the gaps. Are you going to have a standing x-ray taken so the entire legs can be measured?
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No. Did they do that in China? Like I said, all he did today was grasp my ankles while I laid in bed, and from this he supposedly was able to tell that my legs were equal. I asked him how, and he gave some half-hearted explanation, then went on to my roommate, lol...
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I've been taking mega doses of vitamin c (3g/day) for the past two weeks and flaxseed oil for over a month. I find both these drugs imperative in my regimen. A lot of pain has been quelled since I've started taking the flaxseed and vitamin c keeps the body overall in good spirits. I think it's helped with the callus in these latest x-rays too, but I don't know if that's possible or not.
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No. Did they do that in China? Like I said, all he did today was grasp my ankles while I laid in bed, and from this he supposedly was able to tell that my legs were equal. I asked him how, and he gave some half-hearted explanation, then went on to my roommate, lol...
Yes, an x-ray taken of the whole lower body while standing, after the lengthening phase. They used that to determine how much we gained and whether our alignment was proper before the 2nd surgery.
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I believe the CT scan measurements, where the left leg was behind 2mm. I might turn the left leg two more days for good measure, haven't decided....
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Hey dude,
whats up with the fibular bone alignment? is it supposed to be like that?
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Fibula? Aghh, we don't worry about fibula. 8)
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Fibula? Aghh, we don't worry about fibula. 8)
:D lol
I guess fibula bone is not really needed.
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Fibula? Aghh, we don't worry about fibula. 8)
It figures, this IS India after all.
From what I've read, at least according to several leading CLL doctors, that, to no surprise, the fibula is quite important and that if completely ignored, fibula related complications can occur.
Also, I had a consult with Dr. Paley's and asked him what kinds of complications can occur and ways he deals with it. One of the complications he brought up was the requirement for equal distraction of bothtibia and fibula bones, and about the importance of the lower fibula bone not migrating (even a few mm migration has drastic consequences) because it could lead to misalignment, ankle pains / inflammation (ligaments & tendon) and early arthritis.
Dr. Paley also told me he recently he had several patients who did lengthening in India come in, one of which who complained about severe ankle pains after he returned home. Turns out the patient's lower fibula migrated out because cheap, improper wires were used to fixate the bones and because no screws were used. Thus, the bones moved and that he needs another operation to fix this.
I'm not surprised the doctor or "medical" staff India say that the bone is not important, it was probably what the other Indian patient heard when he was there too.
But I guess answers like "fibula is not important" is not a big surpanswer hen it came from a doctor who can make "accurate" calculations simply by grasping your ankle while you laid in bed.
Yes, an x-ray taken of the whole lower body while standing, after the lengthening phase. They used that to determine how much we gained and whether our alignment was proper before the 2nd surgery.
This is what Dr. Paley and his staff told me too.
When I was waiting in line to get a full body x-ray, there was a patient ahead in frames. The radiologist said he had to stand up for the X-rays, and in the back of my head I thought this was crazy because he was in frames. When I spoke to Doctor about this and whether or not I needed to stand up for X-rays when I do LL, he said yes, because standing up and ambulation of the feet are required to make proper assessments of alignment of the bones and joints in the legs. Laying down does not accurately show bone/joint alignment because standing position and pressure on feet/bones/joints are not present.
So MDOW, I guess the Chinese doctors knew what they were doing.
Polycrates, when you did our CT scans, and also your X-rays, do they require you standing up on your feet?
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No, everything I've taken has been laid down. To the doctor's credit, some months ago, when I asked about the fibula's consolidation and he said he doesn't even look at the fibula, I do remember he mentioned that the only thing important about it is that it remains in line at the ankle. He said he passes wires through the top and bottom ends of the fibula. I remember reading a Paley authored study saying this is an adequate means of fixation. Does Dr Paley still use screws with external fixators? Even in my x-rays, you can see there is a pin passing through the fibula. I've already conceded to the fact I'm going to be a bit f**ked up. Hope I can get it sorted back home in Canada without too much hassle, otherwise I've botched my health by my own stupidity....
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It sounds like Sweden's ankle problems may be resulting from a fibula issue as well.
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No, everything I've taken has been laid down. To the doctor's credit, some months ago, when I asked about the fibula's consolidation and he said he doesn't even look at the fibula, I do remember he mentioned that the only thing important about it is that it remains in line at the ankle. He said he passes wires through the top and bottom ends of the fibula. I remember reading a Paley authored study saying this is an adequate means of fixation. Does Dr Paley still use screws with external fixators? Even in my x-rays, you can see there is a pin passing through the fibula. I've already conceded to the fact I'm going to be a bit f**ked up. Hope I can get it sorted back home in Canada without too much hassle, otherwise I've botched my health by my own stupidity....
Dr. Paley said that you need special wires called Olive Wires to properly fixate the bones.
Using only regular wires like what the guys from India had does not have ball-barring to properly hold the bone in place, so the bone can still move and "slide" on the wire's smooth axis.
Yes, he still uses screws with external fixation. The screws (which need to be inserted at a proper angle) are needed as well to add more strength because the wires can bend during lengthening. Especially if the person has thick, muscular legs which resists lengthening and puts more strain on the wires, screws and the entire apparatus.
It's funny your Doctor not properly acknowledge the importance of the fibula. From my consultation, the importance of proper fixation and equal distraction rates of both tibia and fibula bones kept coming up, because taking care of them can prevent nasty complications later on.
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I know I have the regular wires, but my logic was that because they are crossing each other, this would lock the bone and prevent any sliding from occurring. When my physio comes in here with his stupid smile on his face and asks how I'm doing, I'll let him know today. I was contemplating going back home in frames and going to an ER, but I'll just book a ticket for 2 weeks from now and get into an ortho ASAP. FMstupidL.
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I know I have the regular wires, but my logic was that because they are crossing each other, this would lock the bone and prevent any sliding from occurring. When my physio comes in here with his stupid smile on his face and asks how I'm doing, I'll let him know today. I was contemplating going back home in frames and going to an ER, but I'll just book a ticket for 2 weeks from now and get into an ortho ASAP. FMstupidL.
I hope everything goes well for you Polycrates.
It's not the end of the world, just a minor setback to overcome.
Hopefully, the other patients are faring better.
It would be interesting to hear what your physio say. You also have to remember that it seems like there is a business comes first mentality going on in India and that business undertones seems to prevail everything - at least according to what I have read.
Maybe the physio or other staff, may withhold important information in fear that you announce it to the world. Or lie to you and give you misinformation to temporary "appease you."
In fact, why is it that your physio is even giving you medical advice when it should be the Medical Doctor Surgeon who should be coming in to advise and treat you?
Your physio should not be the one to advise you on your X-rays, or your frames or anything. In any other modern medical establishment, the physio is there solely to aid you in proper Physiotherapy treatment and then leave. Not act as an unlicensed, pseudo radiologist-neurologist-pharmacist-ortho-surgeon-medical doctor.
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Hey, I heard somewhere that 50% of the patient issues come from his/her own mind. Maybe you will come out of this healthy and pain-free. Who knows. If not, then you have that old man to thank for (fake diary & doctor's affiliation $).
It is already what it is at this point. So worrying won't help. When I came back, my family doc said, after looking at my xray, that I won't walk again. We were setting me up on Canada disability tax credit. I pay a lot of taxes every year. However, in one month I came back walking, then he took that privilege away from me.
I'm glad that I'm not a burden to my country!
Cyber. You seem very knowledgeable on this subject. Did you go by a different username on the old forum? Welcome to this forum!
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I agree Smallguy. No sense in worrying. I just want out of this f**king place so bad. I'll probably need to go on some sort of disability too (if I'm even eligible) because I know I won't be ready for work in May which is when my employer wanted me back and I'm on the verge of being broke now. I despise myself for being a self-inflicted burden on the system too, but I've paid well over $60k in taxes too, so I guess I kinda deserve it, lol.....
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I hope everything goes well for you Polycrates.
It's not the end of the world, just a minor setback to overcome.
Hopefully, the other patients are faring better.
It would be interesting to hear what your physio say. You also have to remember that it seems like there is a business comes first mentality going on in India and that business undertones seems to prevail everything - at least according to what I have read.
Maybe the physio or other staff, may withhold important information in fear that you announce it to the world. Or lie to you and give you misinformation to temporary "appease you."
In fact, why is it that your physio is even giving you medical advice when it should be the Medical Doctor Surgeon who should be coming in to advise and treat you?
Your physio should not be the one to advise you on your X-rays, or your frames or anything. In any other modern medical establishment, the physio is there solely to aid you in proper Physiotherapy treatment and then leave. Not act as an unlicensed, pseudo radiologist-neurologist-pharmacist-ortho-surgeon-medical doctor.
Listen, I'm just as astounded as you are. Some patients here, many which are/were Indian, think the physio is a doctor. Take LL ForumorLife for example, who thinks he's a hero with his ridiculous video where he's carrying the flower pot. He acts as if he's completely healed, but you can clearly see he has an odd gait and he still walks with a cane. He thought Indian physios rival doctors here. The physios love to boast of their five year educations as well to show how much it is they know.
The minimal supervision by the doctor over medical issues is absolutely deplorable. There have been times when other patients are being told things and I have to bite my tongue from exploding on them for their negligence in care. I can tell stories but I'm reticent to because some patients believe their issues should remain confidential. It's up to them to inform people of them. What would be the point in me lashing out now when nothing can be done of it? However, if I do hear someone mention again how prestigious and glorious Indian medicine and doc Sringari are one more time, they will get a piece of my mind and it won't be restrained.
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Double post... And Sysop, if you're lurking here, I want my likeness removed from your site. I told you once, and I'll tell you again here because I've already requested my account be disabled for the second time, remove...
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Hey, I heard somewhere that 50% of the patient issues come from his/her own mind. Maybe you will come out of this healthy and pain-free. Who knows. If not, then you have that old man to thank for (fake diary & doctor's affiliation $).
It is already what it is at this point. So worrying won't help. When I came back, my family doc said, after looking at my xray, that I won't walk again. We were setting me up on Canada disability tax credit. I pay a lot of taxes every year. However, in one month I came back walking, then he took that privilege away from me.
I'm glad that I'm not a burden to my country!
Cyber. You seem very knowledgeable on this subject. Did you go by a different username on the old forum? Welcome to this forum!
Hi Smallguy, I do have an old forum account, but I am not going to disclose it because I post there.
I've seen how others are banned when they freely express themselves on topics that contain critical knowledge that concern's potential patients/current patient's safety and well-being, especially when it when it does not agree with SysOP's marketing agenda.
Seeing how obsessively SysOp monitors old forum , it would be no surprise that he is probably always infatuated by this site as well. Obsessing over forums seems to is his full time job - maybe that guy has no life?
It's ironic that he even has the audacity to accuse people who occasionally contribute to this site, when it is him who has an unhealthy obsession, love affair and paranoia over old forum , and possibly this site, every waking moment.
Knowing this, and how paranoid SysOP is whenever people expose the truths, he would probably ban me after reading the comments here and justify it as his "divine" intervention. He is, after all, an insecure, paranoid, self-proclaimed LL expert, (illegal) unlicensed pseudo-doctor, and pathetic wannabe "forum god."
I've just learned those things from many months of reading and from my personal consultations with a few Doctors. If you think I know quite a bit, then thank you. But you have to thank the many doctors and honest people beforehand for providing that sort of information.
Big faker is a coward for keeping his mouth shut about his complications, far from a honest diary he promised. A new guy wants to come to Dr Sringari, the management told bigfaker to talk to him on skype and he's not telling him the truth.
This was the reason I worried that marketing business is prevalent that the overall integrity of the practice is put into question and when patient's safety/well-being is put aside. It seems they are using current patients pawns to shill in their cowardly game, and treating people around the world as "dollar signs" by obviously, lying, withholding, or providing false information (physios calling themselves "medical" doctors) is so rampant.
On another note: to all those appalling scumbags who think it is okay to purposely withhold critical infomation that potential LL patients should know about or outright provide false information and shill for the benefit of those management scumbags and possibly themselves (remember all the shills from Sarin?), remember, karma will come bite you back.
I really hope Big Faker is not shilling for anyone at the expense of other innocent people's safety and well-being. Also, I really hope patients such as Big Faker are not put into a position where they are forced to shill corrupt people.
Listen, I'm just as astounded as you are. Some patients here, many which are/were Indian, think the physio is a doctor. Take LL ForumorLife for example, who thinks he's a hero with his ridiculous video where he's carrying the flower pot. He acts as if he's completely healed, but you can clearly see he has an odd gait and he still walks with a cane. He thought Indian physios rival doctors here. The physios love to boast of their five year educations as well to show how much it is they know.
The minimal supervision by the doctor over medical issues is absolutely deplorable. There have been times when other patients are being told things and I have to bite my tongue from exploding on them for their negligence in care. I can tell stories but I'm reticent to because some patients believe their issues should remain confidential. It's up to them to inform people of them. What would be the point in me lashing out now when nothing can be done of it? However, if I do hear someone mention again how prestigious and glorious Indian medicine and doc Sringari are one more time, they will get a piece of my mind and it won't be restrained.
Thank you for being brave and exposing the truths for us. You don't know how many lives you can change for the better because of this. There should be more people like you out there who provide honest information, and not just paint a fake, yet rosy image that lures uninformed people who would have their health jeopardized.
Anyone who has been reading these forums should know by now how sketchy, questionable, and potentially dangerous doing LL in India could be - a big red flag should have popped up when the same staff that was there during the Sarin craze are the same people who are managing Sringari's clinic.
And what about the recovery afterwards? It seems the recovery of most Indian patients are questionable at best; full of strife and strain (look at poor Sweden).
I hope everything goes well for you Polycrates. Remember again, it's not the end of the world. Maybe everything in India turned out ok. If not at least, hopefully it can be fixed in your home country. You are lucky that citizens in your country have access to high quality, free medical health care!
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Polycrates,
Maybe you could see Dr. Parihar in Mumbai once you're able to leave the guesthouse? Judging from what I have seen of his youtube videos and his prior training under Dr. Paley, he should be able to give you sound advice that you can't get from Dr. Sringari or the physios there.
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Yeah,
Perhaps I will do a stopover flight in Mumbai before I head back. I contemplated this as well. If he were in Delhi, I would've gone to him by now.
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Unless you can afford the extra flight ticket to Mumbai to say Hi to Dr. Parihar, the only place I would want to go after finishing my LL goal is home. Though kind and knowledgeable, I doubt Dr. Parihar would help you for free (I may be wrong :D)
Canada has a pool of qualified doctors. My doctor from Vancouver General Hospital also does LL but just not for cosmetic purposes. And I fully endorse you to seek help from our medical system. It wasn't your fault for reading some fake phantom diary. I was kidding when I said, I wasn't a burden to our country. Actually, if you haven't, you should try to be in contact with either your family physician or an ortho in your city by now. That way when you come back you can reap the benefit of our medical system right away.
Cyber... I didn't know that it was still consider a value to be able to access that site. The only diary which I look forward to reading on that site is actually my own. I still want to linger on the memory when I still have my gf. But even that was edited... so unless people think it's a status to hang out with a hairless man in his 40s with 21cm of disproportion who has an array of marketing agendas, then I dont see any value of going back there. Plus we have many more on this site... a couple of veterans who are willing to help others (Medium drink, rgkey, calic, etc) plus a doctor who has free time in between operations. I don't want that villain on that site to make any money.
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I've been refraining myself from reading too many posts because every time I delve into it I'd find something that scares the crap out of me. I guess I'm not the only one who's pray to get out of india walking.
I read this entire post in about 30 minutes. I found out that I'm have the same issue Smallguy had. Also im suffering from nerve damage. I pray that it would come back after a while, so far no luck.
As far as doctors, nurses and caretakers are concerned, they lack the proper skills and knowledge to properly care for patients. Just pray that everything goes well, no correction can be expected. Nurses don't even know about LL procedures, they only look at the chart and give you pills then leave. Occasionally they'll ask "why are you doing this, or did you have an accident?". Once again I'll reiterate the point others had made. The good intentions are there from doctors, nurses and caretakers. They are kind, most of them don't even eat meat and they're so skinny. They work long hours and less wage. They do everything they can to make you feel comfortable but compare to western standard it's way way below.
Do take precautions if you're coming this way.
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Bullsurfer,
Who are you with and what kind of nerve damage have you incurred?
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I don't want to say too much about my experience. I'm the suffer in silence type. I expect people to do their job and behave decently in the wworld. Sometimes I think I should speak up more but what's the point. What's done is done.
I can tell you that I'm not with any doctor with name starts with an S. My nerve damaged due to doctor's negligence or lack of skill or both. I can cry about it or just be quiet and see if problem goes away, I did tell my doctor about the issue and he gave me the classic response everyone dread "Don't worry about it".
I too have to learn about India work ethic the hard way. Promises never materialized, easy going, and procrastination.
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What is not functioning on your leg? I have my toe that I don't think will ever come back. I'm just grateful it's not drop foot.
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Messaged Dr. Parihar and received a prompt reply. He asked for x-rays and the video of my toe. It'll only cost me $80 or so more to route through Mumbai and back home, so I might indeed go see the good doctor enroute. It'll be good for an opinion at the very least.
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Good to read. Even if you don't get treated by him he may give you valuable info that can be of use if you see an ortho back home.
Also I know Bigfaker had concerns about the state of Dr Parihar's hospital so it would be interesting to read an additional take of it.
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If he trained under Dr Paley, does Dr.Parihar offer Precice2?
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Had an arranged meeting in my room tonight with the physios, management, and remaining patients. Didn't find out what the circumstances of this meeting were going to be until it occurred. The physios have an issue with certain statements I've written on here. I wrote of how they boast to be educated to the level of an orthopaedic surgeon and they've taken exception to this. Like Cyber wrote before, if you're a certified physiotherapist, a patient would naturally expect you to perform the duties of a physiotherapist and physiotherapist only. I told him he shouldn't be tweaking frames or allowing patients to perform their own modifications without discretion of the doctor. He shouldn't be giving radiologists advice on how to perform a measurement because it is their first day at work. He took personal offence to all of my criticism. If that's the way people react to criticism here, then so be it. He said I have no right to post a lot of the things I have on here and I had to give a lesson on freedom of expression. This isn't old forum , guys, sorry.
Other patients were queried for their opinions on certain issues and everyone else was laconic during the meeting. I hate to be pinned as the downfall of their business, but if one negative review is enough to topple an entire operation, then it probably wasn't a sustainable operation to begin with. If everyone else is ecstatic with their results and the care they received while here, then let those individuals post of their experiences of their own liberty. That doesn't seem to be happening.
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They're trying to censor you which is not cool.
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I admire your courage Polycrates.
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I admire your courage Polycrates.
Thanks for the compliment, but I don't see anything courageous transpiring here. These guys shouldn't even be meddling in the affairs of forum posts. A patient always reserves the right to freely express their opinions and beliefs to an open audience. That's the intent of these forums. It's not a platform to advertise and promote your business with impunity from critical opinions. If that's the only way patients can be had, then that speaks volumes about the act these guys display. It's happened before and it's happening again. Luckily, this forum isn't prone to the censorship and modification they got away with in the past. I've been lied to several times about multiple things, so for them to come to me angry and outraged when I write about these events is an absurdity.
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This is simply unprofessional and unacceptable. Going after patients to try and censor their opinions. What a joke.
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Thanks for continuing to share your uncensored thoughts about getting LL with Dr. Sringari. Diaries like yours are what potential LL patients need to read in order to be informed.
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No problem. I do regret the tone in some of my sentences, but they were written at a time I was especially frustrated. I shouldn't have disparaged another patient because I didn't like a video. A lot of my problems extend from being in India itself and all the ordeals that come along with it. So, some people who have been to India and know what to expect culturally, socially, and economically could fare better than I have for whatever it is they're choosing to do. I personally would not utilize services in India in the future, but that's just me.
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Had an arranged meeting in my room tonight with the physios, management, and remaining patients. Didn't find out what the circumstances of this meeting were going to be until it occurred. The physios have an issue with certain statements I've written on here. I wrote of how they boast to be educated to the level of an orthopaedic surgeon and they've taken exception to this. Like Cyber wrote before, if you're a certified physiotherapist, a patient would naturally expect you to perform the duties of a physiotherapist and physiotherapist only. I told him he shouldn't be tweaking frames or allowing patients to perform their own modifications without discretion of the doctor. He shouldn't be giving radiologists advice on how to perform a measurement because it is their first day at work. He took personal offence to all of my criticism. If that's the way people react to criticism here, then so be it. He said I have no right to post a lot of the things I have on here and I had to give a lesson on freedom of expression. This isn't old forum , guys, sorry.
Other patients were queried for their opinions on certain issues and everyone else was laconic during the meeting. I hate to be pinned as the downfall of their business, but if one negative review is enough to topple an entire operation, then it probably wasn't a sustainable operation to begin with. If everyone else is ecstatic with their results and the care they received while here, then let those individuals post of their experiences of their own liberty. That doesn't seem to be happening.
It wouldn't surprise me if more people from the guesthouse ended up posting their uncensored thoughts on here after their return home. Must be hard to say anything to people who take offense easily when they're the ones taking care of you. With all the problems it seems like it would be more beneficial to stay in a hotel and just hire a caretaker to do errands. That way the only one you deal with is your doc. I'll be in Delhi this April to see a number of orthopedic surgeons. I'll probably keep the doctor's identity as TBA until I return home, that way I can put down exactly what I think from day 1 without worry of being reprimanded by anyone who gets hurt pride should an issue arise.
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If he trained under Dr Paley, does Dr.Parihar offer Precice2?
i had a consultation with Dr Mangal Parihar a week before and asked if he offers internal nail for which his answer was that there are no internal nails in India yet . So i think precice2 is out of question in India at this stage .
There are certain rules and regulations (protocols) in order to introduce internal nails in India for which Dr Sarin's internal HNL is not even close to . in fact i believe performing the surgery for internal HNL is also a malpractice and not legal , may be that is why Dr Sarin is coming up with these ideas of NON DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT (NDA) to save is ass if something goes wrong which i think will definitely happen ..!!
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hey GTorDT ,
If i were you i wouldn't consider India as an option for LL . i m an Indian and its been 1 year since my surgery i have complication and i m still on my recovery phase , i despise myself for doing surgery with Dr Sarin . 95% of doctors you will find in india are similar to Dr Sarin and Dr Sringari .
go to china or russia if you want to end up fine or else wait till you have enough budget to go with western doctors or else don't do LL at all .
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sringari also offered on a separate deal precise.
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hey poly ,
i have been through this stage and i know how you are feeling . Despite all the drama , you kept on doing what is right and i admire you for that . do not regret about a single thing you wrote on this forum , you are the one who is suffering right now not them .
keep yourself strong and hopefully you will come out of it fine .
if you planning to visit Dr Mangal Parihar then i will be happy to assist you as i m in mumbai and will be here for few months . same goes to everyone on this forum who need help in mumbai till i m here . i m still learning about this city as this is my 1st time here .
take care
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sringari also offered on a separate deal precise.
i really do not know how is he offering precise .?? Dr Mangal Parihar is the most famous doctor in india regarding Ilizarov along with some other doctors . but he is on my number 1 list in india .
i will explain in short ,
Association for the Study and Application of the Method of Ilizarov (ASAMI) is an international organisation that is related to Ilizarov. And below link shows the key people in ASAMI INDIA .
http://orthopaedicprinciples.com/2013/10/asami-india-meeting/
this part is important all on this forum that ASAMI international congress will be held in india on September 18 - 21, 2014 Hotel Grand Hyatt Goa, Goa, India .
and this below link shows all the faculty members from india and around the world .. which includes famous and well known
Dr Dror Paley
Dr R. Robert Rozbruch
Dr. Jean-Marc Guichet
and many more who are all famous regarding Ilizarov . i hope this will help all of us for knowledge .
http://asamiindia2014.com/faculty.html
Now do you see Sarin or Sringari in indian faculty list ...?? A BIG NO ..!! but still one is blindly doing HNL and the other is talking about precice so that they can f**k the patients and scratch money out of them .
but you can see well know Dr Mangal Parihar , Dr Milind Chaudhary etc
Actually i also thought to set up a LL program in India in a good way ... but first i had to be sure about the doctor who can deliver as promised . i met with Dr Manish Dhawan from Delhi and Dr Suhas Shah from mumbai (they both are active ASAMI member) recently but overall i guess i was not ready to put myself at risk of promoting them and end up like crazy+6 if something wrong happens with the program , i m already tired with my complication and my life that i slowly stopped writing in this forum also . i m not saying these two are bad doctor , i m sure they are good but who knows about the future ..!! there are some part of things that i didn't like about them , i guess i was finding perfection in LL doctors so that patients won't suffer .
why i think Dr Mangal Parihar is the best LL surgeon in India is because he has done extensive workshop on Ilizarov from 2008 as you can see in this link http://www.pitkar.com/event.html scroll down to bottom and then go up and see how many times Dr Mangal Parihar has organised workshop by conducted Pitkar (ortho tools company) in india and other asian countries too. it shows how much knowledgeable this doctor . i can recall bigfaker comparing Dr Sarin and Dr Sringari with Dr Mangal Parihar which was no offence but kinda stupid .
anyways , i hope every LL brothers and Ladies ;) does take this CLL and CLS very seriously .
remember "a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step".
And if you are half crippled then your journey is going to be really tough ..!!
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i really do not know how is he offering precise .?? Dr Mangal Parihar is the most famous doctor in india regarding Ilizarov along with some other doctors . but he is on my number 1 list in india .
i will explain in short ,
Association for the Study and Application of the Method of Ilizarov (ASAMI) is an international organisation that is related to Ilizarov. And below link shows the key people in ASAMI INDIA .
http://orthopaedicprinciples.com/2013/10/asami-india-meeting/
this part is important all on this forum that ASAMI international congress will be held in india on September 18 - 21, 2014 Hotel Grand Hyatt Goa, Goa, India .
and this below link shows all the faculty members from india and around the world .. which includes famous and well known
Dr Dror Paley
Dr R. Robert Rozbruch
Dr. Jean-Marc Guichet
and many more who are all famous regarding Ilizarov . i hope this will help all of us for knowledge .
http://asamiindia2014.com/faculty.html
Now do you see Sarin or Sringari in indian faculty list ...?? A BIG NO ..!! but still one is blindly doing HNL and the other is talking about precice so that they can f**k the patients and scratch money out of them .
but you can see well know Dr Mangal Parihar , Dr Milind Chaudhary etc
Actually i also thought to set up a LL program in India in a good way ... but first i had to be sure about the doctor who can deliver as promised . i met with Dr Manish Dhawan from Delhi and Dr Suhas Shah from mumbai (they both are active ASAMI member) recently but overall i guess i was not ready to put myself at risk of promoting them and end up like crazy+6 if something wrong happens with the program , i m already tired with my complication and my life that i slowly stopped writing in this forum also . i m not saying these two are bad doctor , i m sure they are good but who knows about the future ..!! there are some part of things that i didn't like about them , i guess i was finding perfection in LL doctors so that patients won't suffer .
why i think Dr Mangal Parihar is the best LL surgeon in India is because he has done extensive workshop on Ilizarov from 2008 as you can see in this link http://www.pitkar.com/event.html scroll down to bottom and then go up and see how many times Dr Mangal Parihar has organised workshop by conducted Pitkar (ortho tools company)
anyways , i hope every LL brothers and Ladies ;) does take this CLL and CLS very seriously .
remember "a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step".
And if you are half crippled then your journey is going to be really tough ..!!
I've had a few e-mail exchanges with Dr Dhawan and have arranged to meet with him (including a few more doctors) once I arrive in Delhi. I'm interested in knowing how your meeting with him went (you can PM me too if that's preferable) and things you liked/disliked. Might help me pick up on things during our consultation.
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those doctors should be the recommended doctors list lol
im not joking.
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Had frames removed this morning. Best feeling in the world right now. The doctor said I got 6.2cm. It's definitely feasible since I've turned closer to 9cm, but if that CT scan (4.4cm left, 4.6cm right) a couple weeks back was accurate then it's impossible to be right. I've only turned 8mm since Feb 25th (maybe 1cm maximum) due to the time I took off from the nerve pain. I hope it's true, but I'm not counting on it.
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6.2 cm not bad. I know the feeling, anyone who doesn't have a smooth lengthening, frame removal is like a salvation from torture.
We made the decision, we stick to it, cest la vie.
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Good for you man. I'm very happy for you. Hope things will turn out neatly in the end.
How is the toe?
So now you are the manover? Cool!
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If I've really gained the 6cm he says it would put me near to 184cm morning height. I can't wrap my head around how it's possible though. The guy at the hospital who measures the CT must be incompetent or Sringari was overzealous in his measurement on the OT... We'll see. The toe has excellent movement in flexion, adduction, abduction, but still no extension.... I'm pretty sure the nerve for the extensor hallucis brevis muscle was damaged/severed like Birkholtz suggested. I've also read the nerve that acts to extend the big toe is the same nerve that extents the small toes, which are working fine, so...At least it's just a part of the toe's movement and not complete drop foot.
I take it more seriously than they take it not just because it's my body, but I also have an inkling that if this is left untreated it may lead to more severe symptoms in the future. Sringari telling me it'll be fine to live with without giving me any possible solutions for it rubbed me wrong. I'll go to a doc back home and see what they say. Maybe I'll need some sort of nerve graft. Just hope I can get it back without too much trouble.
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All the best brother!
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Took a rough measurement today. Stood against a wall with a walker and had the caretaker mark a line. We measured 185.4cm. However, I have about 2cm of ballerina and I was straight out of bed, so during the day I'll probably end up closer to 182cm :( :'(. I hope I can keep as much as possible, but we'll see. My wingspan is only 183cm, so femurs seems like it wouldn't be a good idea for me in the future. I really wish I had a wingspan like 188cm or something like some 173cm happen to have. Oh well....
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182 is a good height!
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Took a rough measurement today. Stood against a wall with a walker and had the caretaker mark a line. We measured 185.4cm. However, I have about 2cm of ballerina and I was straight out of bed, so during the day I'll probably end up closer to 182cm :( :'(. I hope I can keep as much as possible, but we'll see. My wingspan is only 183cm, so femurs seems like it wouldn't be a good idea for me in the future. I really wish I had a wingspan like 188cm or something like some 173cm happen to have. Oh well....
Are you still going to consult some other surgeons in India before you fly back home?
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I was set on going to Dr. Parihar in Mumbai, but I'm running short on time and money. I attempted to contact Dr. Talwar, but I got no response. It would have been nice to meet Parihar in person, but there's really not much he could do for me, and what I would receive from him I can get for free back home.
I walked today on crutches, and it was decent, so I expect that I can board the plane on crutches. I've been the most critical of the boys at Sringari's, but it seems I might come out as the best result. I attest this to listening to the body when it wants to stop, and lengthening slow and to a sensible length. You also have to be the boss of your own body, and raise hell if you feel or know that something is going amiss and nothing is being done about it. Unfortunately, these variables vary per the individual.
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I'll be meeting with Dr. Talwar tonight at his private clinic. Will let everyone know how it goes.
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Excellent. Did that email I gave you work or was it through the info email?
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Hey Poly, can we get a picture of your legs? Thanks!
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Get one for you tomorrow.
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Update:
At home now. My airline offered me a reduced ticket price for leaving on Monday rather than Wednesday, so I ended up leaving quite abruptly. In the airport I was given wheelchair assistance for the majority of the walking lengths. I had to use crutches aboard the air plane and the little walking I was required to do. I feigned injury on my right leg. I stood quite easily on my left leg while bearing some weight on the crutches. When people asked what happened, I told them I was hit by a car and had multiple fractures in the right tibia.
I am extremely worried about my proportions. Most people in the airport bought my story (probably out of trying to be considerate) but I sensed that some people knew what I had done. As I had a 10 hour layover, I had ample time to observe people's proportions. I observed pretty much without exception that all people have femurs considerably longer than their tibiae. My tibiae are slightly longer than my femurs. I sat beside some guys that were in the 6ft-6ft3 range and I had longer tibiae than all of them. When people sit, their femurs angle down and the tibiae tuck neatly under the knee. When I sit my knees point upwards and my knees are 2 inches higher than 6ft3 guys. I noticed that tall guys are usually tall in the femurs and back. This just made me feel ridiculous. I kind of wish I had opted for femurs.
Maybe it was because I was walking on crutches and in a wheelchair, but I sensed that I drew quite a bit of attention. There were a few instances where women would whisper something to one another after looking at me and then snicker. I saw one person use their thumb and index to create a lengthening gesture and then the other person nodded. I haven't walked normally yet, so I hope that when I am, my proportions won't appear as ridiculous as they currently do.
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Why should you care what other people think? Do you know these people in real life? Did they endure the pain and suffering you took to complete your journey? No, so fk them
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Maybe it was because I was walking on crutches and in a wheelchair, but I sensed that I drew quite a bit of attention. There were a few instances where women would whisper something to one another after looking at me and then snicker. I saw one person use their thumb and index to create a lengthening gesture and then the other person nodded. I haven't walked normally yet, so I hope that when I am, my proportions won't appear as ridiculous as they currently do.
I think you're being a little overly self-conscious and paranoid. Unless your tibias were freakishly long, and I mean you lengthened 20+ cm on them, no one would bat an eye at you. The only reason people were looking at you and curious was because you were handicapped.
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Dude very little people know about this surgery. Relax!
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You are getting paranoid. No one care about proportions. There is a lot of people with long legs compared to their torsos and no one care about them. This operation is knowed by a little few people and the ones that are looking and talking about you is because you are in crutches or wheelchair
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Updated Post:
Sameer23, I am aware of recent problems ongoing at Dr Sringari involving the patients and the staff. Alot of it is their own internal problems. Therefore as this has nothing to do with medical aspect of LL, I think you guys should settle personal drama and accusations between yourselves in private about hotel incidence.
As I am aware, you left the care of Dr Sringari awhile back. Therefore it is unknown who is your source of information.
This is not the first time I have heard about ongoing problems between you and Polycrates, it is because of this history that I do not wish for you guys to go back and forth into another personal argument on this forum again.
Similarly there are accusations made about you. This is the reason why I have removed your posts.
Recently there have been an number of posts with the same message of Call/Find Dr Sringari for surgery and I have to question why. As I have stated, people should make up their own minds and find the Doctor in person at whichever hospital they are interested for consultation.
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Polycrates: your observation is right. Your tibias are now longer than most of peoples.
Don't do femurs, you're at perfect height now.
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photos would be good. but don't make them too large and don't wear a lot of clothes. lol and no its not meant to sound like that lol.
I really doubt that 6 cm would make you look so un proportional that your legs are longer than people who are 6"3. I think your possibly being paranoid.
photos sitting down from a side angle would be really cool also.
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Well think about it this way: the additional 2.5in. in the tibiae would indicate an additional 3in in the femur, according to a 0.8 tib/femur ratio. Then you need to consider the proportion of the upper body relative to legs of that length. If you were to assume a roughly equal increase in the upper body, then this would equate to 10-11inches of total additional height.
So, if I were to sit beside someone who has an equal knee height as mine now, assuming they have roughly the same ratios of proportion I did, prior to the procedure, I could expect that person to be around 6'7-6'8, yet I'm 8inches shorter than them total.
It's important to realize that tall people are usually tall everywhere. A slight increase in every area is what leads to their overall stature, not an excessive length in one segment.
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Polycrates, how tall were you before the surgery? 177? 178? If so, you would be one of the tallest, if not the tallest person to ever ungerdo LL surgery.
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I was 178cm in the morning. I hardly think I am ever the tallest person. Perhaps on here, but I'm sure there have been a great many guys around that height who've done it as well.
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There was a guy who did LL in China with Dr. Xia who had a starting height of 183CM. He added 5CM to that. There was another guy in Amar Sarin's care who started at 180CM and lengthened himself to 187CM. He wanted to play basketball professionally. Just ask Sweden about it.
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It's unfortunate to hear the basketball player case. That height would still be in the <20th percentile in professional leagues, and coupled with the lack of agility he is sure to now suffer from, it's a certain his aspirations were not fulfilled. Point guards need to be agile and lithe to play at a high level. If that's all he did it for, I'm sure he regrets the decision now.
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It's unfortunate to hear the basketball player case. That height would still be in the <20th percentile in professional leagues, and coupled with the lack of agility he is sure to now suffer from, it's a certain his aspirations were not fulfilled. Point guards need to be agile and lithe to play at a high level. If that's all he did it for, I'm sure he regrets the decision now.
Also pro basketball players tend to have wingspans 4-8 inches bigger than their height. That guy is a total dumbass like anyone who does LL to play basketball professionally or to get better at sports. I wonder why the Dr. he's been lengthening with didn't warn him about it.
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Because he was Amar Sarin
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It's kind of funny. I actually thought about that guy who wanted to be a basketball player. I wonder how he did?
He sure do could throw a good rap!
How tall are you now Polycrates?
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183cm-184cm. Felt average at best when I was back home for a bit. In Mexico I feel ridiculously big against the locals and small against business associates... will never win in this game.
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How are you doing?
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Still fighting slight ballerina (fine in shoes but still bad bare foot) and my left ankle (the side with the toe problem) is completely f**ked. Swells up after minimal walking and is always throbbing and sore. Worried it might be a thrombosis or clot. I know Sweden had a similar situation that resolved on its own, so I hope mine will as well. Don't know of anywhere to go in Mexico to get it checked. I might end up seeing Paley but I know his consultation fee is quite high. I can fly to that area quite easily though, so I am going to inquire with him so I can get a definitive assessment of the damage.
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Do you live in Mexico?
Just try to stand up as long as you can take.
Use the stationary bike to clean out all the crap in your body. Cycle for at least an hour a day.
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I'm in Mexico on a work detail, but I do not permanently live there. No doctor available for me to see that I would be comfortable telling about this here, unfortunately.
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Another person who fked up a reasonable starting height by going for the cheaper option. When will people learn? Oh well it's on you I guess. Good luck with the recovery.
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I've fortunately been told that I should make a full recovery and I have no discernible malalignment, but I agree with you, I am extremely lucky to come out this way. While I don't consider the work I saw Dr. Sringari do to be anywhere near the level of abuse people say Amar Sarin committed, everything else was in full effect. The deceit, the lies, the scandals, were all apparent while I was there. How much the doctor was cognizant of this, I'll never truly know, but he is responsible for what kind of people he chooses to do business with.
People have to be aware and not depend so heavily on the supposed good will of others to guide them. It is my hope old forum will be shut down by a court order in due time, or that Sysop does the respectful thing for once, and shuts it down. I can't even type in the name on google now without feeling rage.
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You are naive if you think Sysop is going to shut down old forum on the merit of respect.... AHahaha, good one....
I have a better chance at becoming president/prime minister than that happening
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Hi Polycrates. How are you doing? Has your toe's functionality become any better? How has your walking been progressing? Do you still regret leg lengthening?
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thanks to this diary I am glad I chose dr bagirov...so many things can go wrong.
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Dude I would love to stop by Sringari's guest house. you probably aren't still their are you? Do you know who might still be there. I am right around 7cm, and I think I am having some issues like you, but I don't know for sure. Do you have any contacts in Delhi that are doing lengthening?