Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: MyEvolution on August 08, 2018, 10:53:08 PM
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I'm booking my consultation for the 20th of september 2018, surgery 25th of september with Dr.Paley so I'd like to start a Diary
Age: 24
Height: Just self measured 5'4 & a half (But everyone thinks im 5'5)
Goal: 8cm in Femurs, 5-6cm Tibs, for total of 13-14cm or, 5'10 ish
I'm about to pay the $10k deposit & I'll be going with STRYDE as it allows for weight bearing of 200lb / leg which means I won't be on a wheelchair!! Given that My occupation is online I'll have no problem creating an income for myself while staying in florida so I am pretty stoked about this! At first I thought I'd have to be in a wheelchair so the opportunity cost of not working to my full capacity was worrying but i'm excited now
I was considering doing Dr.Betz first as I saw a video "reach new heights with betz" on YouTube
but after reading all of the diaries like MASTERHY & numerous others of people who had broken nails & bending, I decided that Safety is worth the difference in price ESPECIALLY since I won't even have to take work off!!
I'm thinking of getting an Airbnb room or something along those lines? way cheaper than a hotel plus a kitchen means I can cook for myself, ordering food all the time will add up pretty quickly
if anyone is also looking to do their surgery at the same time & would like to room LMK
Dr.Paley's staff said I'll be able to do Tibs 1 year later which, I will 100% do because 3 inches at 5'4 means nothing to me lol i'll be pretty depressed at 5'8 ish so might as well go for 5'10
It's going to be a long journey, I will keep this all as one Diary & update you all with everything
I will keep this as transparent as possible
If you have any questions feel free to ask, thought i'd leave out all the baggage & keep it simple for someone reading for a reference point
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Hey I PMd you
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What is your weight?
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Awesome stuff, just over a month away. Looking forward to updates!
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How do u have so much money 100k+ multiple times for surgeries at 24?? fk
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MyEvolution, thanks for posting. A lot of people on this forum, including myself, will be very interested in a STRYDE experience.
I have a special request to ask of you, and that is will you please have someone take videos of yourself walking during lengthening and post them in your patient experience (diary). A video of yourself walking 1-2 weeks after surgery would be great, and then a video every month or so to show the progression would be so very much appreciated.
You made a great choice in choosing Dr. Paley, and planning to continue making money during your lengthening will substantially lower your cost by removing the loss of income portion to the overall expense.
You have ambitious but safe lengthening goals, i'm glad to see you didn't opt for quadrilateral lengthening, surgery a year apart is a very wise choice.
If you are 100% committed to lengthening your femurs and tibias. Have you considered lengthening the tibia's first then followed by femurs a year later?
The reason I ask is that tibia's take longer to heal and are more prone to complications. So if you lengthen tibia's first you get the risker and longer recovery bone segment out of the way. Then when you go back a year later to lengthen your femurs, you will be at less risk for complications, and post lengthening recovery will be faster, so you can get out and enjoy your new overall height sooner rather than later.
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What is your weight?
I’m 155lb, Atheltic build, 11% bodyfat (abs present)
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Andriod;
Haha we are the same height!! Little worried cause ppl say the Limit is 13cm for two surgeries but not everyone achieves that. My goal is to stop at nothing till I hit 13cm maybe even 14cm!
I’m doing daily stretching now using YouTube videos, might sign up for Yoga
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Johnson1111: “How do u have so much money 100k+ multiple times for surgeries at 24?? fk“
Gonna be fully transparent here, I have 2M subscribers on Youtube
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Johnson1111: “How do u have so much money 100k+ multiple times for surgeries at 24?? fk“
Gonna be fully transparent here, I have 2M subscribers on Youtube
Found him: (https://i.imgur.com/bGpYjqb.jpg)
in all seriousness great job building your career by such a young age. Any chance we can get maybe a small hint of what kind of channel you have?
This will be the first stryde diary so we are all definitely interested to see if it's really the revolution in limb lengthening that we all hope it is.
God speed brother
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Don't give any more information about your YouTube channel (unless you intend going public with your CLL).
Best of luck with your Stryde journey.
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Hello Friend
I want to wish you good luck
and everything will get better!
and I wanted to make a point,
to create a channel on youtube and make daily videos, would be very cool,
I will follow all your progress here too.
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Hello Friend
I want to wish you good luck
and everything will get better!
and I wanted to make a point,
to create a channel on youtube and make daily videos, would be very cool,
I will follow all your progress here too.
now I see that you already have the channel on youtube, hahah
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Don't give any more information about your YouTube channel (unless you intend going public with your CLL).
hey a hint wont hurt ;D, my money is on it being a gaming channel. I assume he's going to keep the surgery a secret as most of us are. I don't think anyone here expects him to post anything about channel, but it's definitely an interesting twist to the diary. Honestly there is so many channels with 2M at this point that it would be almost impossible to guess anyway.
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hey a hint wont hurt ;D, my money is on it being a gaming channel. I assume he's going to keep the surgery a secret as most of us are. I don't think anyone here expects him to post anything about channel, but it's definitely an interesting twist to the diary. Honestly there is so many channels with 2M at this point that it would be almost impossible to guess anyway.
The reason people don't like answering personal questions is because of people like you. Why are you so nosy?
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The reason people don't like answering personal questions is because of people like you. Why are you so nosy?
Relax bruce wayne,
Building a channel to 2M takes lot of hard work and dedication and I know he couldn't have done that without a shiit ton of discipline. The fact that he was able to become self made and afford Dr. Paley at such a young age is super admirable. I think the only other LL'er to come close is programdude. I would ask every LL'er who was able to accomplish something similar more details about how they did it.
Obviously anyone who writes a diary will not reveal more details about their personal life then they are comfortable with. Some post pictures of their face and some don't even tell us what country they are from. But he made a diary so I think it's ok for us to ask questions?
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Don't give any more information about your YouTube channel (unless you intend going public with your CLL).
Best of luck with your Stryde journey.
Yes good point! I actually am thinking of making a documentary style Youtube video to document the jounrney. When I was first year university I went through chronic depression when I had a reality check that the average girl was taller than me. I felt like a man stuck inside a child's body, among college kids. I litterally cried almost every single day, to the point where I thought of killing myself. I felt like everyone else was so spoiled! People complain about things there were real solutions to. I had friends who were overweight who would just complain, when they could just go to the gym for a year or two and fix that. On the other hand, I felt helpless, I felt like no matter how much "work" i put in to getting taller, it was just physically impossible. I didn't know that LL was a possibility! Im sure there are 1000's of kids out there who were in the same position as me crying theirself to bed wishing for a chance to effect their height. The goal of the documentary is to give hope & shed light on the reality that there IS a possibility but it takes alot of work
anyway that was my mini rant haha, we'll see if I end up uploading the video or not, but I will at LEAST film the documentary for sure because I'd like to write this entire surgery off as a business expense which I could only do if I filmed it (maybe)
Preparation:
From what Angelique told me (she is responsible for all appointments)
for the first 2-3 weeks I will be in a wheelchair so I will need
- a hotel with wheelchair transporation (they sent me a list of options)
- a caretaker
I went ahead and asked my friend if he would be down to fly out to West Palms (flight covered by me), live with me for 3 weeks as I have a job opportunity for him. I told him I'd give him $1000 Canadian & he agreed. To me this is a win because the caretakers quoted me $10,000 USD for 2 weeks of care, screw that!
after I stay in the hotel for 2-3 weeks, I will be living in an Airbnb (booking that now ish) for the rest of the 3 months
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Hey MyEvolution,
Super stoked for this diary since you have exactly the same measurements as i do, the exact same goal, only way more money x) That being said, wish you all the best for your goal! Will be lurking hard here. ;D
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Hi MyEvolution,
Best luck to you. I will follow your diary. Very interested in Stryde experience.
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Update:
Height after measuring with doctor stadiometer: 5'4
so far I have completed my pre op & consultation, tomorrow is my surgery, nervousness is starting to kick in. According to the Med team, because I am using STRYDE I may not even need a wheelchair. That being said my caretaker will be arriving in 4 days and I will either be on crutches or a wheelchair for a couple days-1week.
I have also started a video diary / documentary which I may or may not post depending on what I decide but so far, all of the logistics have been taken care of, and we are ready to go
I am to arrive at the hospital at 6am tomorrow morning, food consumption stops at midnight tonight, and clear liquids like water stops at 4am
I am doing femurs
I will keep you guys updated as much as I can. Let the journey begin, today my body will change, forever. No more being very short.
My goal for this is to gain the full 8cm, and then tibs next year for 5-8cm (whatever my body will allow)
Paley said that it is possible to do 8cm but it depends if your body will allow it. My goal is 16cm so I can be standing at a bold 5'10. That would change my life forever
I am ambitious, my work ethic is crazy. Here we go!
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Awesome! Best of luck to you on your journey to a new, bolder you. Any chance you will be posting your pre-op body proportions and post op body proportions comparison photos?
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I wish you good luck and may your dreams be accomplished ! keep us updated on your progress and I am very interested in knowing this.
btw, how much will you be spending on this including the hospital stay, prescriptions and whatnot?
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I am jealous of you that you are able to afford Dr. Paley and Stryde! Lengthening should be way tolerable with a weight bearing nail. You should have a fast recovery as well!
How much in total have you saved up for the procedure?
If you can, can you ask Dr. Paley when Stryde nail will be available internationally?
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Awesome! Best of luck to you on your journey to a new, bolder you. Any chance you will be posting your pre-op body proportions and post op body proportions comparison photos?
That's a great idea!! I'll take some photos tomorrow
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Hi MyEvolution
First I would like to say like many other membres I'm very interested about your journey with Paley/Stryde .
Using Stryde tech is so new for LL comunity and If you post your complete proportions and some vids it will be an amazing diary.
I've 2 questions for you :
- did you have an bone densitometry test ? Because your bones will support your entiere weight. So check if no ostéoporosis. I know Guichet asking for the test before surgery. What about Paley ?
- wich type of anesthesia ? General or spinal anesthesia ?
Do you have the choise ? Rozbruch let you choose your type of anesthesia.
Wish you the best !!
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I am jealous of you that you are able to afford Dr. Paley and Stryde! Lengthening should be way tolerable with a weight bearing nail. You should have a fast recovery as well!
How much in total have you saved up for the procedure?
If you can, can you ask Dr. Paley when Stryde nail will be available internationally?
Sorry I didn't proof read my post earlier and it looks somewhat impolite the way I wrote it. I only meant to be congratulatory.
Good luck with the surgery man!
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Hi MyEvolution
First I would like to say like many other membres I'm very interested about your journey with Paley/Stryde .
Using Stryde tech is so new for LL comunity and If you post your complete proportions and some vids it will be an amazing diary.
Thank you!!
I've 2 questions for you :
- did you have an bone densitometry test ? Because your bones will support your entiere weight. So check if no ostéoporosis.
We did blook work for vitam D levels, i’ll ask the nurse tomorrow, this one says she doesnt know
I know Guichet asking for the test before surgery. What about Paley ?
- wich type of anesthesia ? General or spinal anesthesia ?
Spinal
Do you have the choise ? Rozbruch let you choose your type of anesthesia.
I chose between spinal or something else
Wish you the best !!
Thank you!!
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Update:
Surgery finished a couple hours ago, I am now laying in my room! I can move my legs a little, i expected to be immobile haha so that’s good. Virtually no pain, but very nauseas & drowsy
They gave me morphine pre surgery, shaved my legs & cleaned it with hibiclens
For everyone asking finance questions:
- so I never specifically saved up money, I do have a good amount of cushion couple 100K just from what I made over the years
Femurs Surgery / physio / 4 nights in the hospital package
- $97,500 USD
Lodging / hotels etc
- i rented an AIRBNB that is a 3 minute uber from the hospital. Managed to get one for roughly $8,000 CAD. I booked this im advance with another LL patient who is doing his surgery soon! He messaged me & it worked out perfectly! We split it so $4k each roughly for 3 momths (CAD). Now at first i was gonna book a hotel for 2 weeke cause Angelique told me i may need special wheelchair transportstion services hotel. After looking into it cheapest was WAY too much like a sick $120USD / night. I ended up booking an airbnb for 1st 2 weeks that is a 15 walk so my caretaker will push me on a wheelchair if needed.
Caretaker:
- at first they recommended one of their caretakers, but after getting a quote I almost had a heart attack cause they quoted me $10,000 USD.. NO THANKS. What i then did was.. i’m 24 so I have a lot of friends who don’t have full time jobs. This one friend in paticular i’m really close to and looks up to me alot (eventho he’s 5’11 haha) I asked if he’d be down to come live with me in West Palm beach for 1.5 months flight paid for free lodging & I’d give him $1000 cash. I didn’t tell him the surgery is LL but i told him i’d be on a wheelchaie for 2 weeks cause it’s a leg surgery. I’ll probably end up telling him. PS, I almost just puked while writing this but nothing came out cause I havnt eaten anything or drank watee. They got me hooked up for my liquids & for my pee. Anyways i’m pretty blessed for this situation to have worked out so well!! My caretaker will also be caring for another LL patient when my two weeks are done. We will all be living in the same Airbnb though so we’ll help each other.
GOAL:
I know i briefly talked about this but I got some new information from Dr.Paley i’d like to discuss.
My goal is full 8cm in the femurs & then 5-8cm in the tibs. Now, Dr.Paley has usually been super strict in the past & said he’ll not ever lengthen more than 6cm, but when I spoke to him he said the nail technically goes up to 8cm so if my body can handle it he’ll let me do it. He said the harder you work the better chances to maximize your length. It’s a long journey ahead. At 5’4 my proportions will still look good at 5’9-5’10 as I have normal proportions now slightly longer torso
Hope that answers everyone questions!!
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grats. Just wanted to tell you;
like me, alot of lurkers won't be posting in this diary but we will be following it religiously! this is the first Stryde diary after all.
God bless your journey
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Please do not do any youtube documentry etc. Most of us wants to stay in the shadows.
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I am so glad to hear that you may have your journey on YouTube.
I think CLL is still a developing technology , so if this is broadly known worldwide,
that will impact in a good way for better and speeding up of the technology growth.
But of course understand its all up to you if you decide to put it in a public or not.
Hope you do well in your journey, good luck :D :D
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Please do not do any youtube documentry etc. Most of us wants to stay in the shadows.
I agree with Doomsday.
By going youtube you make this surgery more mainstream. Like Hair transplant. If your colleague one day shows up with a weird new hairline and maybe a scar then everyone would know its hair transplant and in back of their mind will think "insecure".
I don't want LL to become like that. Today normal people don't know about it, when you turn up 5-6 cm taller they assume you got new hairstyle, lost weight or its just illusion. They won't think "oh maybe he had a surgery".
Please dont go mainstream
edit:
a guy who really suffers from height dysphoria will search on google and eventually find about LL so its not like you are making more short people aware of this. you are making more normal people know about this who in turn will bully us for getting LL.
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Hi MyEvolution,
It's your first night after surgery, hope you was able to sleep at least à little.
Keep up posted about your feeling. First nights are probably the worst.
Be strong.
PS: personally I disagree with Doomsday and TinyTL but understand their concern.
We could debate about it later, it might be a place to do it, maybe not and open a dedicated topic.
But it's certainly not the time to debate here.
Peace
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Hi MyEvolution,
It's your first night after surgery, hope you was able to sleep at least à little.
Keep up posted about your feeling. First nights are probably the worst.
Be strong.
PS: personally I disagree with Doomsday and TinyTL but understand their concern.
We could debate about it later, it might be a place to do it, maybe not and open a dedicated topic.
But it's certainly not the time to debate here.
Peace
I see what you’re saying hmm.. ya I wouldnMt want to do that to the community
& ya you’re right, if someone is truly suffering like we all are(were) they will learn about LL
2nd day, still virtually no pain, slept like 9 hours prob gonna nap more right now. Nausea is gone thank goodness, I puked 5 times yesterday
Today I have my first Physio sesh, excited!
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I actually think that it will be good if you will do a video diary. First it will raise your credibility and second it will be far more informative actually seeing the process rather than reading it.
Good luck and I wish you a safe and successful lengthening
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Update: Day2 feling really good still. I think this STRYDE technique is amazing. Did some physio excersises to get out of bed, managed to support my body weight touching the floor and then I got up and used a walker all by myself!! I don't think I'll need a wheelchair but we'll see
right Now I am using my labtop to get some work done. They said expect not to be able to do any work but, im about to edit a new video right now so this is great!!
will keep you guys updated
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Hi MyEvolution,
Thanks for your update and hope you are doing well.
What was the level of pain when you did PT, got out of bed and walked with a walker? How far could you walk after 2nd day PO?
Thank you.
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Please post a video if you can. Just a walking and distraction video or something, since many of us are curious about revolutionary Stryde.
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I am surprised at the assent of credence exhibited by the users in this post, I guess no one wants to know whether this guy is telling the truth or not. What matters is he's gonna lengthen to 5 inches while validating all the others of their aspirations. I say carry on, seems some people learn things the hard way.
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Could you tell us about the painkiller they gave you. How many ? And at wich frequency you have to take them .
Thanks.
And don't hesitate to post vidéo. But if not on YouTube, you will need a dedicated platform.
I remember leechlet post on YouTube.
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Your surgery was exactly 1 year after mine (Tuesday Sept 26 2017). All the best on your journey. This should be interesting because you are using STRYDE. We can do a side by side comparison and see how much of an impact it has on recovery.
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I am surprised at the assent of credence exhibited by the users in this post, I guess no one wants to know whether this guy is telling the truth or not. What matters is he's gonna lengthen to 5 inches while validating all the others of their aspirations. I say carry on, seems some people learn things the hard way.
Yes, providing proof (like x-rays, photos or videos) would make this more credible.
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Yes, plz do the favour, plz provide the proof.
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Update: Day2 feling really good still. I think this STRYDE technique is amazing. Did some physio excersises to get out of bed, managed to support my body weight touching the floor and then I got up and used a walker all by myself!! I don't think I'll need a wheelchair but we'll see
right Now I am using my labtop to get some work done. They said expect not to be able to do any work but, im about to edit a new video right now so this is great!!
will keep you guys updated
wow the stryde nail is going to be so good for all future prospective pts. Please try to leave proof as many have said. You can post video, pics, etc while still staying anonymous.
Also I am very interested to see when you are allowed to walk without walker/crutches and with proper gait. If you can walk with normal gait, prior to full consolidation, this nail will be a game changer if it isnt already
gl on your journey, this diary will be important for all of us.
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Hi MyEvolution,
Any updates on your ability to ambulate and overall ability to take care of yourself? Looking forward to hearing how you're doing!
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OMG I CAN WALK!! I LITTERALLY AM IN SHOCK RIGHT NOW WTF
I took some videos will be posting soon
I know yall wanna see some Xrays & what not. I have some appointments next week i’ll ask for Xrays
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What do you mean you can walk? Please define
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Posting a video for you just tryna reduce the file size
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Here is a video of me walking 5 days post OP (2 parts)
I know you guys want Xrays, I'll see what I can get tomorrow when I go in for physio
As far as pain meds go, They had me on some IV pain meds called Toridol or something? I didn't really ask for any Narcotics
Yesterday I felt really uncomfortable so I took a 5MG of oxycotine
today I took two pills of tylenol as well as the aspirin blood thinner to prevent blood clots (have to take that every morning)
it's interesting cause till yesterday I was relying on the walker. Today i was curious to see if I could walk, so I had my caretaker stand with his hand out and I walked towards him while using his hand to balance (how toddlers learn to walk)
then i set up my walker against the wall
stood 1foot, 2 feet, 3,4,etc & walked towards it
soon after I started to just walk around
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It's not letting me post the video for some reason, file size is 1.9MB if someone can tag an admin or something that would be appreciated
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if you have your face covered, upload it to youtube or another video site and simply put a link to the video
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Yes uploading to Youtube from a second account is the safest and you can delete it whenever you want. You can make the video unlisted so that is not searchable.
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It's not letting me post the video for some reason, file size is 1.9MB if someone can tag an admin or something that would be appreciated
just post youtube link
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Here is a video of me walking like a penguin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VAElFCLgU4
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wow this is a a true game changer, that's awesome! Are you walking funny because of pain or because of muscle tightness/physical limitation? Looks like you're a bit waddling. But this looks amazing. The fact that you can walk is fantastic.
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wow this is a a true game changer, that's awesome! Are you walking funny because of pain or because of muscle tightness/physical limitation? Looks like you're a bit waddling. But this looks amazing. The fact that you can walk is fantastic.
Thank you!! I really think it’s cause my deadlift strength was super high before
It doesn’t hurt but i cant exactly walk straight yet because i can’t fully contract my thigh muscles yet so i gotta lean a little for now. Which makes sense since it was pretty revent
But stryde is def a game changer
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That video looks great for only 5 days post surgery. Thank you for posting.
During your lengthening experience please keep posting videos, they are so incredibly helpful compared to just reading what someone writes. You never know the truth until you see it on video. Some videos of you performing physical therapy exercises at different stages of your lengthening & recovery would be so very much appreciated.
I'm curious what diameter Stryde nail you have in your femurs, how much you weigh, & how many days post surgery do you wait until you start lengthening?
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Wow impressive.
Congrats !! You're may be the new Leechlet, he posted a lot on YouTube on 2011 or 12 on old forum.
What about the pain ? How do you feel and can you sleep.
Tell us :)
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amazing after only 5 days!!
thanks for posting the video.
I don't know if its the camera angle but it looks like you have the torso of a tall person and really short legs. So in ohter words, you're going to look normal after LL!
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amazing after only 5 days!!
thanks for posting the video.
I don't know if its the camera angle but it looks like you have the torso of a tall person and really short legs. So in ohter words, you're going to look normal after LL!
It’s true!! When i was in highschool (which is when i stopped growing) people would say that they expected me to stand taller when i standup
I also have longer than average arm reach for my height as my boxing instructor once told me
Now it’s time to just let everything play out & work hard
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Today is the official day that I start actually lengthening. Paley said he wants all stature patients to begin on day 7
There was a micommunication though, i ended up lengthining on day 3 because of a mixup
Anywhom
Physio started Monday & here is what I quickly realized. Yes I can walk weight bearing under normal, full energy well rested days, but i’ve come to realize after doing 3-4 physio sessions daily, walking unassisted is just too taxing & exhuasting. I feel like today I just woke up having barely slept last night (another issue is i can’t seem to sleep without waking up 3-4 times/night while not taking pain meds. I dont wanna be addicted to pain meds tho so idk what to do)
Walking unassisted requires a full energy body so i’ve been using crutches more to get around.
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Hi,
Thanks for your update!
Did Paley say why he didn't want you to start lengthening right after surgery?
I was told patients should lengthen as soon as possible to avert early consolidation.
Thanks
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Hi,
Thanks for your update!
Did Paley say why he didn't want you to start lengthening right after surgery?
I was told patients should lengthen as soon as possible to avert early consolidation.
Thanks
So one of the doctors came in on day3 to show me how to lengthen & to start. That day i did 1mm.
The next day, Dr.Paley came in with like 4 people to answer any questions etc & they he said i’ll start to lengthen day7. Then one of the doctors said, well he already started yesterday! & they were kinda arguing like what?! All stature patients must start on day7
So i stopped lengthening since then I started again today
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Physio started Monday & here is what I quickly realized. Yes I can walk weight bearing under normal, full energy well rested days, but i’ve come to realize after doing 3-4 physio sessions daily, walking unassisted is just too taxing & exhuasting. I feel like today I just woke up having barely slept last night (another issue is i can’t seem to sleep without waking up 3-4 times/night while not taking pain meds. I dont wanna be addicted to pain meds tho so idk what to do)
Walking unassisted requires a full energy body so i’ve been using crutches more to get around.
Hey Evolution, do you think that the physio is as necessary as it was for the Precice nail, where the lack of mobility would almost guarantee muscle wastage and reduced ROM? Is it possible that with weight bearing nails walking a lot is actually much better than the quite painful physio? I think OYG said something similar - that he thought that walking was more effective as therapy than the physio itself.
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MyEvolution-
What diameter of STRYDE do you currently have in your femurs? Is it the 10mm, 11.5mm or the 13mm.
Have you discussed with Dr. Paley which diameter of STRYDE you will have for your future tibia lengthening?
How much did you weigh before your femur surgery?
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I weighed 160LB before surgery at 11% BF
There is definately no replacement for physio because a lot of the excersises are mainly just a warm up for the important part which actually is stretching, especially the IT band which no amount of walking can makeup for stretching it. It’s tough
Biggest issue right now is pain management and sleeping.
Last night i got 3 hours of sleep, it’s getting to the point where i no longer make an effort to sleep. When i am sleepy i’ll sleep. So i slept 3 hours at night, 3 hours around 6am & im getting drowsy atm so i’ll probably go nap for more. We are pretty much toddlers, waking up at night not being able to sleep, sleeping throughout the day. Don’t fight it
Ive also went ahead and ordered this mattress off amazon as recommended by another member
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00UYG9WB8/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=oyg-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B00UYG9WB8&linkId=c1e4bca3e7126ae03e9f7af68232a5c7
It apparently fixed his sleep so lets give it a try
My problem is pain management, i’m always around 5/10 but idk what pain meds to take & how much. Im afraid of getting addicted so I just fight through it any help is appreciated
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I forgot to ask but what are all the recommended supplements I should take?
So far i am taking a men’s multi vitamin, D3 5,000IU (twice daily)
I heard calcium is a good addition and something that starts with an S?
Thanks guys
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Sorry for all the questios how many callries shoild I be eating? I heard it’s 2,000 calories per bone if so ive been def undereating
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Combine calcium with sufficient magnesium. Actually magnesium appears to be more important.
S -> Silicon
Why do you fight taking pain medication? Pain medication is strongly recommanded because it helps you recover, do the physio and get some sleep. In this case the pro strongly outweight the cons. Only reason I see to not take pain meds if you have a history of drug abuse.
Why can't aou sleep? Is it solely because of the pain, or are there any other issues?
Keep up!
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There is definately no replacement for physio because a lot of the excersises are mainly just a warm up for the important part which actually is stretching, especially the IT band which no amount of walking can makeup for stretching it. It’s tough
That makes sense. It is a shame though that the physio impacts the ability to walk more as I think the combination of walking and physio would be optimal.
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Hey evolution,
For supplements, from what I've read you should take a lot of protein (some people use protein powder and protein bars). also you should discuss calcium with Dr. Paley just in case it gives you early consolidation or something like that.
also there is a thread for painkillers by LL patients here: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=293.0
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Why do you fight taking pain medication? Pain medication is strongly recommanded because it helps you recover, do the physio and get some sleep. In this case the pro strongly outweight the cons. Only reason I see to not take pain meds if you have a history of drug abuse.
I have to agree. Without sufficient pain killers your muscular skeletal system will start to adjust your stance and movement for the pain. This will cause uneven distribution of load and lead to more pain elsewhere. This in turn will quickly reduce the effectiveness of your recovery. I note that many LLers take pain killers before the physio to get the most of it which is probably a good idea.
MyEvolution, I too would like to know what sized nails you were given? My understanding is that only the 11.5mm nail is currently available - is this true?
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Hey MyEvolution, i'd really appreciate it if you would let us know what diameter of Stryde you currently have in your femurs, and what diameter you will have in your tibias.
There is the 10mm, the 11.5mm, and the 13mm. All three diameters are currently available and all three have different weight bearing limits.
A video of you during physical therapy would be so helpful and informative. Please consider posting. Thanks.
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Omg thank you so much!! This is exactly what I need. It’s not that i refuse pain killers i simply have 0 experience using them. I’ve never used a pain killer in my life up till this point. Any time i had a head ache or injury i just dealt with it clearly that doesnt work here
Yes i can post a physio video for yall I have plenty of them :)
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Hey MyEvolution, i'd really appreciate it if you would let us know what diameter of Stryde you currently have in your femurs, and what diameter you will have in your tibias.
There is the 10mm, the 11.5mm, and the 13mm. All three diameters are currently available and all..
Hey sorry for forgetting to address this, I will ask the next chance I get I promise
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LMFAO at the two posters begging you to not make videos about LL haha
Guys like them just transfer their stress from feeling short to having to hide that they did LL and worry someone might find out. Funniest part about it is one of those two posters said and I quote, would sell their house to do LL lol do what you want man, if you want to do videos do it, don't let a bunch of insecure guys with deceptive intentions tell you not to do a video for their benefit.
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Hi myevolution,
How long before the surgery date did you book the surgery and how long before exactly did you pay for it?
Like you, I am not American and I am thinking about consulting Dr. Paley first, before scheduling the surgery. Do you think it will be possible to do this in one visit? It's a very long trip for me, and I would rather not do it twice.
Like I go to Florida on 1st Feb, meet Dr Paley and then schedule the surgery for 15th Feb and pay for it in full.
Even though Dr Paley is well reputed, I would only feel comfortable to commit to this only after I meet him.
Thanks man!
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Hi myevolution,
How long before the surgery date did you book the surgery and how long before exactly did you pay for it?
Like you, I am not American and I am thinking about consulting Dr. Paley first, before scheduling the surgery. Do you think it will be possible to do this in one visit? It's a very long trip for me, and I would rather not do it twice.
Like I go to Florida on 1st Feb, meet Dr Paley and then schedule the surgery for 15th Feb and pay for it in full.
Even though Dr Paley is well reputed, I would only feel comfortable to commit to this only after I meet him.
Thanks man!
So i seriously started planning this sometime in august. I called & wanted the surgery as early as possible since most my friends e going to school. The earliest they gave me was sep25th,
Surgery cannot be secured unless $10,000 safety deposit is made
Once the safety deposit is made full payment is due 2 weeks before surgery
Hope that helps
Call & ask questions best thing, ask for Angelique
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Guys I need serious help with pain management. This pain gets worse at night where it’s at a 6-7
The best way to describe the pain is like this: imagine you injured one of your body parts. If someone were to randomally touch it, you’d jump away because it hurts in a weird way. Now imagine someone were to squeeze your injured body part on a scale of 1-10; That’s exactly the pain I feel, except sometimes it feels like someone is squeezing harder sometimes less
At night the squeeze is hard enough that i cannot sleep, & sometimes like now it’s at a 7 after I already took 5mg of OXY i cant even lay still, or sit down or stand it’s like torture. I keep moving to move the pain around but like OMG i just want it to go away
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So i seriously started planning this sometime in august. I called & wanted the surgery as early as possible since most my friends e going to school. The earliest they gave me was sep25th,
Surgery cannot be secured unless $10,000 safety deposit is made
Once the safety deposit is made full payment is due 2 weeks before surgery
Hope that helps
Call & ask questions best thing, ask for Angelique
Thanks man. A couple more questions about what you did if I may:
1. Did you pay the 87.5 grand for surgery (87.5 - 10 advance) before meeting Dr. Paley even once?
2. A question out of paranoia: If for some reason you fall sick a few days before the surgery, would they postpone it free of charge? Or do you lose all your money? I've been feeling funny levels of anxiety these days as I plan this surgery with Dr Paley.
3. Did the hospital give you any paperwork to show the immigration officers during your entry into the country?
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Guys I need serious help with pain management. This pain gets worse at night where it’s at a 6-7
The best way to describe the pain is like this: imagine you injured one of your body parts. If someone were to randomally touch it, you’d jump away because it hurts in a weird way. Now imagine someone were to squeeze your injured body part on a scale of 1-10; That’s exactly the pain I feel, except sometimes it feels like someone is squeezing harder sometimes less
At night the squeeze is hard enough that i cannot sleep, & sometimes like now it’s at a 7 after I already took 5mg of OXY i cant even lay still, or sit down or stand it’s like torture. I keep moving to move the pain around but like OMG i just want it to go away
Why don't you email Dr. Paley or Dr. Craig about this? Not an LLer, but it is well known that the first two weeks are very difficult. You are still feeling the trauma of the surgery, distraction aside. Maybe you should take the Oxy a little liberally for a week or so and then taper off. Stay strong!
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Funniest part about it is one of those two posters said and I quote, would sell their house to do LL lol do what you want man, if you want to do videos do it, don't let a bunch of insecure guys with deceptive intentions tell you not to do a video for their benefit.
You sir are a proper condescending pr!ck. I am sure you are referring to my post http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9262.msg95583#msg95583
Its laughable how clueless you are. I said I could sell my apartment and salvage like 140k to do surgery with Dr. Paley. I bought this like 5 years ago and its value has increased. I bet you would rather keep the apartment and go to russian, india or some ty country and get butchered with with permanent knee pain, scars all over the leg.
Money is just money, time is much more valuable. Spending my time as a short person is like not efficiently using your time because I could be so much more if I were taller.
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Thanks man. A couple more questions about what you did if I may:
1. Did you pay the 87.5 grand for surgery (87.5 - 10 advance) before meeting Dr. Paley even once?
2. A question out of paranoia: If for some reason you fall sick a few days before the surgery, would they postpone it free of charge? Or do you lose all your money? I've been feeling funny levels of anxiety these days as I plan this surgery with Dr Paley.
3. Did the hospital give you any paperwork to show the immigration officers during your entry into the country?
1. Yea exactly, paid the 10k first & all of that before meeting Paley before a) I was running out of time b) I knew in the bottom of my heart if I was gonna go through with this Paley is the best in the practice so meeting him considering this situation was less important than making sure I get the date I wanted. After meeting Paley i was happy i booked it
2. I dont know how thats work u have to call and ask Angelique that
3. No, I’m Canadian so I came on “pleasure” (not much pleasure let me tell you)
& 3 months falls within the 6 months allowable time frame I get with my passport
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You sir are a proper condescending pr!ck. I am sure you are referring to my post http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9262.msg95583#msg95583
Its laughable how clueless you are. I said I could sell my apartment and salvage like 140k to do surgery with Dr. Paley. I bought this like 5 years ago and its value has increased. I bet you would rather keep the apartment and go to russian, india or some ty country and get butchered with with permanent knee pain, scars all over the leg.
Money is just money, time is much more valuable. Spending my time as a short person is like not efficiently using your time because I could be so much more if I were taller.
The only thing holding you back is yourself, nobody is stopping you from having fun and enjoying life, you're choosing/deciding to not enjoy life until you get LL.
Being short is inefficient?? How? At what? Don't answer this, I don't need that type of cringe in my life. Most people would not think it's smart to give up a necessity (shelter) for a few inches in height.
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The only thing holding you back is yourself, nobody is stopping you from having fun and enjoying life, you're choosing/deciding to not enjoy life until you get LL.
Being short is inefficient?? How? At what? Don't answer this, I don't need that type of cringe in my life. Most people would not think it's smart to give up a necessity (shelter) for a few inches in height.
I will not hijack Evolutions diary.
I feel sorry for you, really you don't understand it.
Maybe when you get older you will.
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I will not hijack Evolutions diary.
I feel sorry for you, really you don't understand it.
Maybe when you get older you will.
Obviously I won't understand it because I'm not mentally ill and stupid enough to think the way you do.
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I will not hijack Evolutions diary.
I feel sorry for you, really you don't understand it.
Maybe when you get older you will.
You know, depending on how short you are I can understand where this typa of thinking stems from. Being a short male is simular to being a very overeight girl, in which opposite gender never takes you seriously, or thinks of you as a last resort, or doesnt treat you with the respect deserved. I totally do not want to live my entire life as such anymore hence the surgery
But ya dont sell your house not good
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The only thing holding you back is yourself, nobody is stopping you from having fun and enjoying life, you're choosing/deciding to not enjoy life until you get LL.
Being short is inefficient?? How? At what? Don't answer this, I don't need that type of cringe in my life. Most people would not think it's smart to give up a necessity (shelter) for a few inches in height.
I'd go a step further, I'd say nobody in their right mind would sell their home to go from 5'8-6'0. If anyone here is considering this please get help you might need to be evaluated.
You know, depending on how short you are I can understand where this typa of thinking stems from. Being a short male is simular to being a very overeight girl, in which opposite gender never takes you seriously, or thinks of you as a last resort, or doesnt treat you with the respect deserved. I totally do not want to live my entire life as such anymore hence the surgery
But ya dont sell your house not good
At least an overweight women can lose the weight, I wish it was so simple to add 4-6+ inches to your stature.
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Hey MyEvolution,.
Hope you're ok and you can manage the pain. Firsts weeks are the worst
Can you do your PT despite the pain ? It's important for recover.
Stay strong
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Try paracetamol + tramadol before you go opoids (tramadol works on opoid receptors but is much less addictive and is safer, although there is still risk of addiction). I tapered down from about 200-300 mgs of sustained release tramadol (max daily dose is 400) to 0 in a couple of weeks with no withdrawal symptoms. Combining with paracetamol is important for maximum analgesic effect (true for all opoids). Paracetamol is called acetaminophen (tylenol) in the states btw...
Ice is also quite an effective painkiller...
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Hey guys important update about my pain management I thought i'd share with you guys because it seems to be working for now :)
I started taking Tremadol + 1 tylenol pill every 6 hours, at night I take 2 tylenols instead of 1
my pain is now hovering round a 1-2 which is AMAZING!!!! the problem before was i would only take the pain meds "when I need it" but by the time you need it your pain is at a 7 and taking the pain med only brings you down to maybe a 5 which is still irritating.
so last night my pain was at an 7-8 I took a Tremadol at 6pm. around 12 I took my 2nd dose of Tremadol my pain was still really high. at 6am I took my tremadol again and finally my 4th tremadol set my pain is finally down. Do NOT let your pain go up to take your meds, just take them as prescribed keep it low. I need to know this because next year I will be doing tibias for 6-8cm
But thought i'd share to help anyone out there
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Hi,
Thanks for the advice regarding pain medications.
How are you doing with lengthening? Are you still walking around?
Thanks and kind regards,
Klaus
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Hey sorry for forgetting to address this, I will ask the next chance I get I promise
Hi MyEvolution, did you get a chance to ask this question yet? I would really appreciate an answer. Thanks for the diary it is really helpful.
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hey MrEvolution,
is your walking gait improving or is it still similar to the video you posted.
Thanks!
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Everything else is good still lenginging
I am using crutches to balance my walking because without crutches I sway too much
Apparently i’ll be moving to only a cane very soon i’ll let you guys know when that happens officially
In terms of the nail i believe i have the smallest one? My follow up appointment is october 17th that’s when I can ask. I do know that my nails can weight bear 200lb/leg based on the nail I have
I am currently 155lb (lost 6lb after surgery)
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Everything else is good still lenginging
I am using crutches to balance my walking because without crutches I sway too much
Apparently i’ll be moving to only a cane very soon i’ll let you guys know when that happens officially
In terms of the nail i believe i have the smallest one? My follow up appointment is october 17th that’s when I can ask. I do know that my nails can weight bear 200lb/leg based on the nail I have
I am currently 155lb (lost 6lb after surgery)
Nice bro. Please post your x-ray pics if you can.
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I’ll have X ray pics oct17th for yall
GOOD NEWS: for the first time I FINALLY slept 7 hours!! I can confirm that the Tremadol Tylenol combo works :) I also got some work done last night as well. My goal is to earn half the surgery cost back within the next 3 months which is super possible for me
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Comforting to hear! carry on son
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I’ll have X ray pics oct17th for yall
GOOD NEWS: for the first time I FINALLY slept 7 hours!! I can confirm that the Tremadol Tylenol combo works :) I also got some work done last night as well. My goal is to earn half the surgery cost back within the next 3 months which is super possible for me
I too weigh 155 lbr 71 kg .. sorry but what the hell do you do to be able to recover half the costs in just 3 months? I have to turn on a mortgage and go to Giotikas which is much cheaper than XDXD
in any case, the speech Stryde very comforting because it is what I will undertake .. but are you alone or do you have an assistant?
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I too weigh 155 lbr 71 kg .. sorry but what the hell do you do to be able to recover half the costs in just 3 months? I have to turn on a mortgage and go to Giotikas which is much cheaper than XDXD
in any case, the speech Stryde very comforting because it is what I will undertake .. but are you alone or do you have an assistant?
Youtube
So I convinved my friend to come hangout with me in WPB for 1.5months
I paid for his flight he said he was down
Care taker woulda been like 10,000 USD for 3 weeks & honestly you only really need them for a week. After that it’s more like convenience.
So.. Because I have stryde & can actually walk around, i’ve been using Tinder & Bumble to meet some girls; 3 months is a long time!
I’ll be meeting up with 2 girls this saturday (with my friend) & we are going out. I told her i’d be on crutches or a cane as to not be a catfish, she doesn’t seem to mind. I told her I fell on my hip & gotta use it to balance my walking for a little bit. I’m REALLY nervous but we’ll see what happens!!
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Hey mate , im about to go in for my second surgery in 2 hours.
I have already done 6cms tibias. ( give or take 0.5 cms ) in 2012
Not sure how many cms you're at now , but i can tell you as being previously 5'4 that past 6cms on tibs is too much you will definitely have some loss of ROM im movement such as squats , sitting on the floor will change things like that. if you want to sit on the floor getting up changes and starts to take abit more effort. Now these are things that happen before 6.5cms on tibias. I had my friend Sweden who done 7cms that took 2 years or more to recover he also tells me hes not the same.
My advice to 6cm on femurs and max 6cms on tibias. Right now you're just thinking about height but if you consider other factors such as recovery and Natural movements that you will hinder you may want to take a slightly more conservative approach.
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Hey mate , im about to go in for my second surgery in 2 hours.
I have already done 6cms tibias. ( give or take 0.5 cms ) in 2012
Not sure how many cms you're at now , but i can tell you as being previously 5'4 that past 6cms on tibs is too much you will definitely have some loss of ROM im movement such as squats , sitting on the floor will change things like that. if you want to sit on the floor getting up changes and starts to take abit more effort. Now these are things that happen before 6.5cms on tibias. I had my friend Sweden who done 7cms that took 2 years or more to recover he also tells me hes not the same.
My advice to 6cm on femurs and max 6cms on tibias. Right now you're just thinking about height but if you consider other factors such as recovery and Natural movements that you will hinder you may want to take a slightly more conservative approach.
I see what you’re saying.. yes you’re right only thing I care about is milking the most height possible! What would you say the max length to gain from tibs before loss of normal function sets in, 6.5cm? If so i’ll cap it at that
Cause if i’m starting at 163cm & doing 8cm on femurs + 6-6.5cm on tibs that’s 177-177.5cm after = 5’9.7 - 5’9.9 which pretty much is 5’10 which is my goal so i’d be happy stopping there!
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Youtube
So I convinved my friend to come hangout with me in WPB for 1.5months
I paid for his flight he said he was down
Care taker woulda been like 10,000 USD for 3 weeks & honestly you only really need them for a week. After that it’s more like convenience.
So.. Because I have stryde & can actually walk around, i’ve been using Tinder & Bumble to meet some girls; 3 months is a long time!
I’ll be meeting up with 2 girls this saturday (with my friend) & we are going out. I told her i’d be on crutches or a cane as to not be a catfish, she doesn’t seem to mind. I told her I fell on my hip & gotta use it to balance my walking for a little bit. I’m REALLY nervous but we’ll see what happens!!
Care taker 3 weeks=10,000 usd? Seriously .It s a ton of money.I dont think this cost is correct.
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Hello MyEvolution, what are you doing?
I'm thinking of doing exactly what you're doing but with less elongation ...
Where do you have the cuts of the scars tell us a little more friend.
Did Paley tell you anything about the decompression of the peroneal nerve?
Something about Achilles tendon?
The liberation of the iliotibial band?
I see that questions about what to do to not lose mobility and other ... I would not spend in your place of 6 cm in femur and 4-5 cm in warm ... For a centimeter more than you have in a medical staging you can fk all and in real life 1 or 2 centimeters are not appreciable.
I personally think about 3 cm in femur and 3 cm in warm ... But I do high risk sports and marathons and similar careers
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Hello MyEvolution, what are you doing?
I'm thinking of doing exactly what you're doing but with less elongation ...
Where do you have the cuts of the scars tell us a little more friend.
Did Paley tell you anything about the decompression of the peroneal nerve?
Something about Achilles tendon?
The liberation of the iliotibial band?
I see that questions about what to do to not lose mobility and other ... I would not spend in your place of 6 cm in femur and 4-5 cm in warm ... For a centimeter more than you have in a medical staging you can fk all and in real life 1 or 2 centimeters are not appreciable.
I personally think about 3 cm in femur and 3 cm in warm ... But I do high risk sports and marathons and similar careers
Ya personally im not interested in being a marathon runner. That being said though Paley is very strict on NOT trading function for height so unless my body can successfuly tolerate it & not lose function, he will not let me lengthen more
I met a patient yesterday who did 8cm in femurs & 6cm in tibias & he looks amazing! That’s my goal i’m sticking to it
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Ya personally im not interested in being a marathon runner. That being said though Paley is very strict on NOT trading function for height so unless my body can successfuly tolerate it & not lose function, he will not let me lengthen more
I met a patient yesterday who did 8cm in femurs & 6cm in tibias & he looks amazing! That’s my goal i’m sticking to it
Can you tell us more about that patient? Age? gender? does he/she practice yoga and has good flexibility? Precice Stryde patient too?
Good luck in your journey bro.
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MyEvolution, I know you take your weight bearing for granted but or some of us who are not used to weight bearing precice nail, can you please write more about what you can do and what you can not?
you are the first Stryde diary on this forum ;D
Are you reliant on house help to get things done? How much do you walk with or without crutches? do you drive car?
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MrEvolution,
We have the same height and body weight. I am heavily considering to do this procedure as well.
I work as a software engineer, so working remotely wouldn't be a problem for me either! :)
My apologies for the bombardment of questions, but I feel this would help us better understand your experience and possibly influence our decision as well!
What was your total cost for this procedure excluding rooming,food, etc?
Did Paley mention about being able to lift weights after a certain period of time?
Why did he do the femur first and not the tibia? Was this your preference?
What about running?
What warnings did Paley give you about doing this procedure? Especially considering you aspire to go 13 cm in additional length.
What are the long term consequences? Can the bones potentially break at some point? Suppose 3 years down the line you were jogging and made a huge jump... is that a risk?
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A video of your current walking would say more than words ever could.
Keep safe!
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Everything else is good still lenginging
I am using crutches to balance my walking because without crutches I sway too much
Apparently i’ll be moving to only a cane very soon i’ll let you guys know when that happens officially
In terms of the nail i believe i have the smallest one? My follow up appointment is october 17th that’s when I can ask. I do know that my nails can weight bear 200lb/leg based on the nail I have
I am currently 155lb (lost 6lb after surgery)
Hi MyEvolution, were you able to find out about your nail size on the 17th?
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MrEvolution,
We have the same height and body weight. I am heavily considering to do this procedure as well.
I work as a software engineer, so working remotely wouldn't be a problem for me either! :)
My apologies for the bombardment of questions, but I feel this would help us better understand your experience and possibly influence our decision as well!
What was your total cost for this procedure excluding rooming,food, etc?
Did Paley mention about being able to lift weights after a certain period of time?
Why did he do the femur first and not the tibia? Was this your preference?
What about running?
What warnings did Paley give you about doing this procedure? Especially considering you aspire to go 13 cm in additional length.
What are the long term consequences? Can the bones potentially break at some point? Suppose 3 years down the line you were jogging and made a huge jump... is that a risk?
UPDATES:
Been slightly MIA for a while, ive been working full time + focusing on recovery alot, things are going well but I figured id update the community since i remember being on the opposite side of this
I’m gonna try to answer as many questions aa possible
Total cost: $97,500 (Surgery cost, 10,000 is paid as a deposit to secure surgery date & the remaining $87,500 is dud 2 weeks pre surgery. I recommend paying this asap as my bank took almost 2 weeks to send it!)
A member from this community PM’ed me so we can do this together; that being said lodging is split by 50%
I got a suit at HomeWood suites for $84/night (USD) using PALEY discount. This includes daily tranfer to & from Paley hospital for physio
Breakfast buffet everyday (includes eggs, waffles, pankcakes etc)
Light dinner (includes small dinner items, havnt tried it yet we r moving in on friday, to be updated)
Pool access
Gym access (small hotel gym)
Total: $6600 USD roughly 2 months (oct22-dec29)
Split by 2 so I paid $3300
Pain Killers
I paid $90 so far on painkillers (tremadol which im out of & oxy which i dont use but have a supply of); i’m off painkillers atm just using tylenol pm
That covers most of the financials
I havnt asked about lifting weights yet
NAIL - I have a 13 size nail, said it was biggest one, they used it cause it fit. That was the rational
Femurs 1st then Tibias
- i didnt do them at same time because doing so limits total length gained (cant do 14cm as body cant properly tolerate that without loss of function
- Femurs first to max 8cm, then tibs to max 6cm
- maybe coulda done tibias first but femurs are more gaurnteed to get 8cm without loss of function as it seems like everyone has successfully done it.
6cm in tibias is a good case scenario but definately doable without loss of functions so im gonna stick to
8+6cm for 14cm
The new bone generated from surgery after consolodation is no different than the bone in the rest of your leg. It is just as strong & will not suddenly break. I asked this as well,
At this point ive regained a lot of flexibility in the motion of knee bending & movement but not at 100% yet
Lmk what other updates yall want :)
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How much did aou lengthen so far? And please, please post a video of your walking :)
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Hi MyEvolution, thanks for your update and for answering the question about the nail size.
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UPDATES:
Been slightly MIA for a while, ive been working full time + focusing on recovery alot, things are going well but I figured id update the community since i remember being on the opposite side of this
I’m gonna try to answer as many questions aa possible
Total cost: $97,500 (Surgery cost, 10,000 is paid as a deposit to secure surgery date & the remaining $87,500 is dud 2 weeks pre surgery. I recommend paying this asap as my bank took almost 2 weeks to send it!)
A member from this community PM’ed me so we can do this together; that being said lodging is split by 50%
I got a suit at HomeWood suites for $84/night (USD) using PALEY discount. This includes daily tranfer to & from Paley hospital for physio
Breakfast buffet everyday (includes eggs, waffles, pankcakes etc)
Light dinner (includes small dinner items, havnt tried it yet we r moving in on friday, to be updated)
Pool access
Gym access (small hotel gym)
Total: $6600 USD roughly 2 months (oct22-dec29)
Split by 2 so I paid $3300
Pain Killers
I paid $90 so far on painkillers (tremadol which im out of & oxy which i dont use but have a supply of); i’m off painkillers atm just using tylenol pm
That covers most of the financials
I havnt asked about lifting weights yet
NAIL - I have a 13 size nail, said it was biggest one, they used it cause it fit. That was the rational
Femurs 1st then Tibias
- i didnt do them at same time because doing so limits total length gained (cant do 14cm as body cant properly tolerate that without loss of function
- Femurs first to max 8cm, then tibs to max 6cm
- maybe coulda done tibias first but femurs are more gaurnteed to get 8cm without loss of function as it seems like everyone has successfully done it.
6cm in tibias is a good case scenario but definately doable without loss of functions so im gonna stick to
8+6cm for 14cm
The new bone generated from surgery after consolodation is no different than the bone in the rest of your leg. It is just as strong & will not suddenly break. I asked this as well,
At this point ive regained a lot of flexibility in the motion of knee bending & movement but not at 100% yet
Lmk what other updates yall want :)
This is an amazing response. Thank you!
I have some more questions (if you don't mind)
**Since you're doing the procedure again for tibs, would it also cost an additional $97,500?
**That's a relief with the bone! Now what about the muscle? Your legs will have grown by 8cm -> soon to be 14 cm. Wouldn't this stretch out? Wouldn't this affect your joints etc? What did Paley say about this?
**How will your proportions work in the future knowing that you are doing a 14 cm increase? Does Paley warn you against looking potentially a bit odd with long legs and shorter arms?
**If you ever have time to ask Paley about the lifting weights thing that'd be great.
**How does growth work? Do you you grow "x" amount of mm per day? When do you stop growing.
Again thank you. Your diary is amazing.
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can we please see video of your walk now!
Thank you
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UPDATES along with some questions answers:
- it’s been exactly 31 days since my surgery! At this point ive lengthened almost 2cm i believe. We lengthen 1mm/day, started lengthening october1st (Maybe im past2cm i havnt actually measured yet)
-I have transitioned to a Cane 2 days ago so i’m off crutches!! My walk is improving very well will post a video soon for yall along with Xrays
- I can also FINALLY sleep on my sides again!! This has dramatically improved my sleeping & now I feel like my quality of life is pretty much back to normal/good
- my personal weakness is in my right hip, it’s much weaker than my left for some reason. Once that’s back to normal strength my walk will be normal again
Notes:
- when you come do this surgery don’t think of it as a 3 month sacrafice, think of it as 1 month honestly. Cause the first week was easy, second week was an absolute hell nighmare, end of 3rd week got easier & by the 4th week I have no more real pain!
Some answers:
- i havnt measured my wingspan (not sure how) but my friend who’s 5’9.5 has only half an inch more of reach than me & i’m 5’5 now so when I lengthen to 14-16cm I think i’ll be fine proportions wise
- you cant lift weights until bone fully consolidate
-Yes your muscles & nerves & everything stretch but that’s why we are required to stretch 3-4times daily for 45mins-1hr each
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Have you done IT release survey?
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Yes, Paley now automatically always does an IT band release.
Okay SO.. i’m beginning to plan for my part2 surgery. I feel like at this point the lengthening process is super easy (besides the nuiance of stretching everyday but nbd)
I am currently looking for another person who is looking to do their surgery so we can do it at the same time. I will most likely be able to find a cheap caretaker for the both of us + we can split the Homewood suite rate which should be around $84/night.
If you are looking to do your surgery sometime between April-August LMK or PM me as im looking for a partner. I have a good amount of experience so at this time around I know what to expect. I’ll be 25 so hopefully someone around my age range but doesn’t 100% matter
By next Saturday I will be 50% done femurs!!
Lets goooo :)
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Hi my friend,
You sound incredible excited, and looks like the lengthened does not impact your lifestyle negatively.
Are you able to share a video of your walking?
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Thanks. But ain't there any complications arising out of this IT band release. I also read recently that Betz did not do the surgery in the diary "reaching new heights with Betz 2018" and he streched his IT band without IT band release surgery, so why go for IT band release surgery initially itself, when it may not be needed at all.
If you could get inputs from Paley regarding :
https://www.regenexx.com/blog/research/itb-release-surgery---what-orthopedic-surgeons-wont-tell-you/
Then it would be great.
Thanks again..
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Thanks. But ain't there any complications arising out of this IT band release. I also read recently that Betz did not do the surgery in the diary "reaching new heights with Betz 2018" and he streched his IT band without IT band release surgery, so why go for IT band release surgery initially itself, when it may not be needed at all.
If you could get inputs from Paley regarding :
https://www.regenexx.com/blog/research/itb-release-surgery---what-orthopedic-surgeons-wont-tell-you/
Then it would be great.
Thanks again..
This article is about ITBand release without lengthening
Thus irrelevant to CLL
When bone is lengthened better to release ITB to lessen tension otherwise many get wide legs or duck ass, even if these symptoms get better, there will be higher risk of arthritis, knee problems
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Okay but still I wanna know if there are any negative complications of IT band release...
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According to Paley, he said that in all the cases they’ve released IT band, 1 year later the IT band was 100% healed and back to normal, therefore they dont experience complications
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Did Dr. Paley release your IT-Band right during the lengthening surgery? Or weeks/months afterwards?
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Did Dr. Paley release your IT-Band right during the lengthening surgery? Or weeks/months afterwards?
He must do it during the initial nail insertion surgery. Otherwise it would be too time consuming and more costly going under the knife again just for ITB release
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Yes you’re right during surgery + i’m pretty sure he had my hamstrings released as well (or something like that)
But again, these things will heal back to 100% in a year so its nbd
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Hi myevolution,
Could you share a video of your walking? It would be amazing to see how those cm influence the aestehics for the better
Thanks
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UPDATE:
I’m about to hit 4CM tomorrow 50% of the way there!!
Things have began to get difficult though. I am little concerned because for some reason my calfs are getting tight? Eventho i’m only lengthening femurs atm. When I walk I feel my calf getting sore i dont get why? Maybe im putting too much weight on the balls of my feet when I walk idk
Also, there is a vain that runs inside of my calf up to my knee & its starting to tingle & feel very tight
Has anyone has issues with their tibia muscles when doing their femurs? This makes me very nervous for tibias next up
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Could be due to Stryde (?) You must ask from Paley urgently...
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All diaries I read said calfs hurt when lengthening femurs. Yes tibia pain from from femur lengthening. Check penguins diary. They all start taking Lyrica at this point.
Get massages, take up to 5 hot baths a day for your legs.
This is where the test of will comes in. Push through but stretch and use heat to fight through it.
I have read tons of diaries. They all said this pain gets more intense up to 8cm and many quit right before 7. But those that cross 6.5 usually go to 8.
All diaries say this pain stops 2 to 3 days after lengthening is complete. About half of them wish they pushed through it as the pain tricked them into stopping.
my 2 cents. rooting for you. If you need anything let me know. Sometimes you need something and no one around.
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All diaries I read said calfs hurt when lengthening femurs. Yes tibia pain from from femur lengthening. Check penguins diary. They all start taking Lyrica at this point.
Get massages, take up to 5 hot baths a day for your legs.
This is where the test of will comes in. Push through but stretch and use heat to fight through it.
I have read tons of diaries. They all said this pain gets more intense up to 8cm and many quit right before 7. But those that cross 6.5 usually go to 8.
All diaries say this pain stops 2 to 3 days after lengthening is complete. About half of them wish they pushed through it as the pain tricked them into stopping.
my 2 cents. rooting for you. If you need anything let me know. Sometimes you need something and no one around.
Good post Bosnian.
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All diaries I read said calfs hurt when lengthening femurs. Yes tibia pain from from femur lengthening. Check penguins diary. They all start taking Lyrica at this point.
Get massages, take up to 5 hot baths a day for your legs.
This is where the test of will comes in. Push through but stretch and use heat to fight through it.
I have read tons of diaries. They all said this pain gets more intense up to 8cm and many quit right before 7. But those that cross 6.5 usually go to 8.
All diaries say this pain stops 2 to 3 days after lengthening is complete. About half of them wish they pushed through it as the pain tricked them into stopping.
my 2 cents. rooting for you. If you need anything let me know. Sometimes you need something and no one around.
Wow thanks man that really helps me! Pain is temporary, i will push through not stopping till 8cm & then 6-7cm for Tibias next
Lets gooooooo🔥🔥🔥
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Yeah absolutely! Pushing through will be more than worth it.
How is your current recovery? Are you walking much, and would you say you can walk greater distances without pain?
Thanks, and keep pushing,
Pilot
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Just a small question...can you please tell the list of pain killers you are taking and if you know their side effects also... thanks.
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Wow thanks man that really helps me! Pain is temporary, i will push through not stopping till 8cm & then 6-7cm for Tibias next
Lets gooooooo🔥🔥🔥
Keep going buddy! 3" is not much for where we started ;) Max out coz its not a everyday surgery either :)
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Thank you so much for journalling your experience. I wish you the best of luck and really appreciate your transparentness with this. Not many people are doing this and it means a lot to perspective LL patients to have diaries made from people going to the best doctors and using the latest technology in their surgery. Good luck on the future progress and congrats on the 4cm that's a huge deal!
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Hey man, I have sent you a PM, please check. Thanks..
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any updates bro?
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I’ll have X ray pics oct17th for yall
GOOD NEWS: for the first time I FINALLY slept 7 hours!! I can confirm that the Tremadol Tylenol combo works :) I also got some work done last night as well. My goal is to earn half the surgery cost back within the next 3 months which is super possible for me
Could you pls post the x-rays if possible. Everyone is excited for this first stryde diary, it would be amazing to see the difference as compared to previous generation lengthening devices.
Recent incident of a fake person posting as Android in his diary shows how can one easily fabricate and write.
X Ray's and videos make a diary believable and legitimate.
Wish you a painless and speedy recovery.
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Hello myevolution
Could you pls tell what's your wingspan?
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*UPDATE*
-as of today or tomorrow I have officially reached 5cm!!
Since my last post the nerve pain has tremendously went down. I only feel slight nerve pain on my left now with the calf cramping but this is due to the pinched nerve I have in my lumbar i had since i was 17. Looking to get that fixed before Tibias
- i noticed that i was always over working & pushing my body into inflammation ever since relaxing more things have been better
- I met another femurs patient who’s gonna be my Tibz partner as soon as we get cleared so that’s amazing!
- my walking is almost normal unassisted, i’ll post a video soon
- i want to post Xrays just a little concerned can someone use that against me?
Not sure how to measure wingspan
3CM TO GOOOO then part1 is done!!
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*Fixing title*
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Congratulations on reaching 5 cm safely. Hope your lengthening proceeds well and free of complications.
The reason I asked about wingspan is that u plan to lengthen a total of 14 cm, wouldn't it make your arms look very short in comparison to your overall final height.
A new walking video from you is very welcome. As I can see that u have already posted a video of yours walking, this helps the ll community.
Regarding x ray, if u post it I don't think anyone will make a copy of it and approach Paley institute asking for info about u and even if that's the case I am pretty sure that they won't provide the info.
Sure you would get some negative comments from ll trolls on the forum but u will also get valuable suggestions and info from the ll veterans. Moreover it would help the ll community immensely.
One more thing I would suggest that you not lenthen more than 6 cm on the femurs as you plan to lenthen your tibia in the future. Rather be safe. Anyways Dr Paley would best advise you regarding this.
Best of luck with your lenthening.
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Can you change your signature to show your surgery data and mile stone achieved and anything imp . so that it becomes easy for all of us to measure your progress.
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Can you change your signature to show your surgery data and mile stone achieved and anything imp . so that it becomes easy for all of us to measure your progress.
How do you do that? I also want to change the title of the post to include stryde & my goal of 13-15cm
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It's in your profile settings.
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*UPDATE*
-as of today or tomorrow I have officially reached 5cm!!
Since my last post the nerve pain has tremendously went down. I only feel slight nerve pain on my left now with the calf cramping but this is due to the pinched nerve I have in my lumbar i had since i was 17. Looking to get that fixed before Tibias
- i noticed that i was always over working & pushing my body into inflammation ever since relaxing more things have been better
- I met another femurs patient who’s gonna be my Tibz partner as soon as we get cleared so that’s amazing!
- my walking is almost normal unassisted, i’ll post a video soon
- i want to post Xrays just a little concerned can someone use that against me?
Not sure how to measure wingspan
3CM TO GOOOO then part1 is done!!
grats,
i hope you can post video of you walking. Im planning on doing Stryde too but my schedule is heavily dependent on how fast I can walk normally.
If its possible after 1 or 1,5 months then i will do this surgery asap and try maybe to lengthen the rest at home.
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grats,
i hope you can post video of you walking. Im planning on doing Stryde too but my schedule is heavily dependent on how fast I can walk normally.
If its possible after 1 or 1,5 months then i will do this surgery asap and try maybe to lengthen the rest at home.
Gonna be completely honest with you dude, my walking atm is almost normal but now that i’ve hit the 5cm mark my walking is kinda getting worse because of calf tightness in my left leg. Might not haopen to you but dont expect to walk normal till at least 3 months post op. You will not be walking normal 1-2 months post op. Maybe if you stopped lengthening but everything starting to get super tight & walking takes ALOT of effort atm. Will post video soon
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Glad that u hit 5 cm. Hope u reach your desired goal with ease. Post x Ray's too .
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go ahead and post your Xrays. As long as you block or drop out any personal information like name and patient number, you are totally fine. It also helps everyone else know your diary is real, not that anyone is actually doubting you. We can also point out any issues with regenerate or misalignment but obviously Paley is the top doc so probably no worries there either.
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UPDATE: Just hit 6cm boys
Xray coming on monday (my appt got rescheduled)
Cramping in my left leg is gone!! Seems like most of the pains are temporary and come in phases. I wonder what the next pain phase is gonna be, but i got loads of oxy i’m ready
Goal: 8cm WE AINT STOPPN BABY LES GO 2 WEEKS TO GO
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UPDATE: Just hit 6cm boys
Xray coming on monday (my appt got rescheduled)
Cramping in my left leg is gone!! Seems like most of the pains are temporary and come in phases. I wonder what the next pain phase is gonna be, but i got loads of oxy i’m ready
Goal: 8cm WE AINT STOPPN BABY LES GO 2 WEEKS TO GO
Congratz, can you post a video of you walking?
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UPDATE: Just hit 6cm boys
Xray coming on monday (my appt got rescheduled)
Cramping in my left leg is gone!! Seems like most of the pains are temporary and come in phases. I wonder what the next pain phase is gonna be, but i got loads of oxy i’m ready
Goal: 8cm WE AINT STOPPN BABY LES GO 2 WEEKS TO GO
Congrats on your journey man. Hey I've a request can you post a picture of your progress? You're 5cm taller so I wanted to see how is the difference.
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What good news to reach 6 cm! I congratulate you MyEvolution
How do you feel until the moment? some kind of pain or similar?
Do you have the typical duck ass that was seen by other newspapers? or everything is correct.
A video or X-rays would be really good.
Stay well!
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Guys it’s not letting me post the photo of my Xray it says file is too big how do I do this
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Guys it’s not letting me post the photo of my Xray it says file is too big how do I do this
https://imgur.com/upload
then post the links here
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Congrats bro! almost there!
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Imgur is what everyone uses.
This forum doesnt let you use its built in upload.
Let's hit that 8 cm for the win !!!!!!
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please post vid too. I am sorry to bug, but you have been saying that you are going to post video for many weeks now and have not posted. It will be great to see how one's walk is with the stryde nail.
Thank you for your time,
Mirin
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I do agree with mirinheight, pls post vids and especially x Ray's if you can. We all are super excited.
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Add me to the list of excited people who would love to see a video
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Hi,
Do you know how many stryde patients there may be currently at the paley Institute. Do you discuss with them?
Are they okay?
I am very happy that you could reach 5 cm, I await the continuation of your adventure with impatience.
Have a good day
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Yea sorry i’ve been procrastinating on the walking video I guess i’ll film it for you guys soon
Here is the Xray link
https://m.imgur.com/a/zVoFUoN
Update: i’ll be hitting 7cm in 3 days so i’m at 6.7cm atm & according to all the physiotherapy guys i’m gonna hit 8cm easy no problem. I just have to maintain & it should be an easy ride from here, only 13 days of lengthening to go!!
Once I hit 8cm i’ll make a summary post of all the different pains i went through & what to expect for yall. 13 days left boys lessss get it
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good bro 8)
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Alright my LL homies here is a video of me walking at 7cm. I was using my toes a little on the yacht it wasnt exactly still. I took another video for you guys. I want to take a side view video for you guys but my hotel is too narrow for that atm, will upload a better video for you guys tomorrow but here it is
https://youtu.be/3GMOq_KZ4Kg
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Damn dude - you gate looks really good. Stryde seems like a revolutionizing technology. How's it been so far - do you find people treat you differently with the added almost 3 in? And would you recommend this procedure.
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Incredible ! You look visable taller compared to your first video.
Do you walk without crutches? Still any pain?
Have a nice day.
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My right IT band is really sore but i mean its easy to ignore throughout the day. At night i’ll take tylenol PM but sometimes i’ll need an oxy, it really depends on the pain it comes and goes in waves
Yea man i was watching my old video omfg i look waaaaay more normal and better now i actually looked super short before LL is totally worth it
We were actually on a yacht today it was fun. Ive met a lot of sexy girls here i just say I had an injury. I dont use crutches just the cane, sometimes I ditch the cane if its a new girl
3 inches isnt crazy significant but every inch counts. My shoes with my lifts add 2.5 inches so NOW i measured I stand at 5’9 and a half in shoes which is litterally insane to from 5’4
When i hit 8cm i’ll be at 5’10 in my shoes
My goal is to come back and do 7cm in tibs which will put me at 5’10 bear feet, and around 6’0 and a half in shoes... now THAT is life changing
I was worried about proportions at first but man once i start working out it wont matter. Check out Simeon Panda on IG, his legs are WAY longer than his torso his torso is tiny but he is jacked so its okay.
6ft here we come baby
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damn dude I must say this wild. Just goes to show you externals vs internals. All the external diaries are like hell and the internal ones are like meh it's just something that'll pass.
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Wow man. This is crazy. I feel very tempted to travel to the US and get Stryde despite my fears of doing this all alone.
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Wow man. This is crazy. I feel very tempted to travel to the US and get Stryde despite my fears of doing this all alone.
When r u doing it? Im coming back to do tibias we can so it together
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PMed you.
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Alright my LL homies here is a video of me walking at 7cm. I was using my toes a little on the yacht it wasnt exactly still. I took another video for you guys. I want to take a side view video for you guys but my hotel is too narrow for that atm, will upload a better video for you guys tomorrow but here it is
https://youtu.be/3GMOq_KZ4Kg
Congratulations my evolution
Yours is the first stryde diary. Hope that you reach your goals easily and safely. Your gait is amazing in this phase. Your posts and videos will prove to be valuable for future lengtheners.
All the best.
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8 DAYS TILL IM AT 8CM OMG OMG OMG
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8 DAYS TILL IM AT 8CM OMG OMG OMG
I am and my friends are all excited to see your progress
Thank you very much for sharing your journey with whole world :D :D
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MyEvolution thank you very much for your diary. It is really very exciting to see your progress so well. This is a further example of Dr Paley and his excellent staff at the Paley institute. I look forward to your Tibia lengthening diary.
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Alright my LL homies here is a video of me walking at 7cm. I was using my toes a little on the yacht it wasnt exactly still. I took another video for you guys. I want to take a side view video for you guys but my hotel is too narrow for that atm, will upload a better video for you guys tomorrow but here it is
https://youtu.be/3GMOq_KZ4Kg
wow that is incredible. I know your gait is not 100%
is that due to
- not being used to the length in femurs yet
or
-pain in the hip area where the nails were implanted
your diary is one of the best on here and I sincerely wish you a great recovery man!
Thank you ,
Mirin
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Thank you guys so much for the support! I really tried to keep this diary clean, & as short and simple as possible for future LL’ers out there
I’ve passed 3 inches in 4 days I will be done at 8cm
I have a standing Xray to do to make sure both legs are exact same length. I have an appt monday with Dr.paley. Gonna ask when the earliest possible to do tibias considering my goal is 7cm in tibs so we’ll see what he says!!
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Bro...Looking forward to hear about your next result of tibia !!!!
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SUMMARY POST:
- we did it!! After the Xray with Dr.Paley today we have hit 8cm! Well not exactly
- My right leg is 8cm, left leg is 7cm
- for the next 10 days I will continue to lengthen my left leg only
- I never really noticed the difference
- I asked how long I have to wait to do tibias, paley says 1yr to stack the odds in my favour
- he says after about 1 month of stopping lengthening my walking should get really close to normal. To be updated
- my legs feel great, if I could lengthen to 9-10cm I totally would but i have hit the nail limit
SUMMARY OF JOURNEY & PAIN
- throughout this journey there is a concept called “Pain points” this means that as you lengthen and your leg stretches over the bone, nerves, etc, there are points where you will experience more pain than others. This is not proportional to how far you’ve gone (I felt most pain at 3.7cm-4.4cm and least pain at 6-7cm)
Pain medication:
- Tramadol
- Oxycodone (5mg)
- Tylenol Pm
Tramadol:
- This is something you can take every 4 hours to keep overall pain down. In my experience I had to take this weeks 2-4 because of self caused inflammation (more info under inflammation)
- I would recommend asking for this after you’ve already been given oxy
- you’ll likely only maybe need this first 1-4 weeks, you may not at all
Oxy
- This is not something you should take every 4 hours (eventho it says u should)
- oxy is super powerful and you can stack it (take more than one to increase the effect)
- you really want one batch of these in the beginning (42 pills) and only use them when you NEED to when you hit really high pain points. Explained more below
- Taking lots of Oxy can make you feel super high haha it’s kinda nice but please don’t misuse!
Tylenol Pm:
- a MUST HAVE
- I am still taking this till now, it helps you sleep like a baby
- first 3 weeks your sleep will suck because of pain and because it hurts too much to sleep on your side & I cannot sleep on my back
Those are the only pain meds I was using
First 3 weeks: Hell Week
Sources of pain
- Inflammation
- Post surgery pain
- sleep deprivation
Imflammation:
- what is it: Imagine someone punched you in the arm really hard. Eventually your arm will become purple and bruised. If then, someone even touches your purple bruise it’ll hurt! But imagine instead now, that someone is grabbing your arm by the bruise, and SQUEEZING your bruise to the point of agony and 10/10 pain; that’s what inflammation feels like where 1-10 represents how hard someone is squeezing on your bruised arm
- this is a per person basis & it’s directly linked to how much effort you put into strength training, so things like trying to walk, pushing yourself during PT, trying to physically do MORE. The irony is the more effort you put in, the more inflammed you become and more pain you will cause onto yourself. I had terrible inflammation pain I litterally could not sit down sometimes because I anxious to walk early so I started training a lot. I do NOT recommend this. Doing this again I would take it easy the first 3 weeks, let your body slowly get into it. Don’t walk if you dont need to, treat yourself like someone who just did surgery, not someone who’s trying to get super strong super fast. I also saw the same in another patient’s case. He was always telling us how he is excersising all the time, & he also complained about inflammation pain. On the other hand, another patient took more of a laying in bed type of approach, and litterally never used ANY of his narcotic pain perscription! That’s the kinda experience you wanna go for, at least for the first 3 weeks because your body is super fragile just take it slow
If you do end up inflammed, you’ll want to take Tramadol every 4 hours to minimize your pain. Once you start to get inflammed it’s a ty cycle that’s hard to get out of. i recommend a comfy bed to lay in, in my case Homewood suites Kingsize bed is super comfy
Do not take oxy every 4 hours, dont even take oxy during the day. Your body will get addicted and you dont want that. You can take 1-2 oxy at night to if your pain is too high but dont take it during the day
Always take your tylenol pm to sleep well
You will also be losing weight. I lost 10lb 2 days after surgery. The more weight you lose, the more pain you will feel when you try to sleep on the side because you will feel the pins sites
Post surgery pain:
- This sucks but it’s not as bad
- it’s the pin sites that hurt when you touch them (dont touch!) and fluid buildup caused from surgery
- fluid buildup only hurts when you stretch, but you have to stretch it out to get rid of it. It’ll feel like your leg is swollen and like normal stretching soreness
- dont worry to much about fluid build up just stretch 3 times / day & it goes away, not a big deal
Sleep dep:
- pain wakes you up
- inflammation can stop you from sleeping
- doing PT while sleep deprived sucks
- take your tylenol pm
- dont push yourself (for strength activities) take it easy
Week 4-5
- Post up fluid pain should be gone or at least minimal now
- I was now able to sleep on my sides!! Became much much easier at this point to sleep
- I realized i was causing myself inflammation so toned it down a notch and I stopped taking my narcotics!
- overall happy place, lots of pain is gone
Easy in between
3.7cm-4.4cm
- Worst lengthening pain i’ve experienced in my entire journey, but definately not nearly as bad as week 1-3, week 1-3 is the hardest
- My calfs started to get really tight, my pinched nerve in my back started to get inflammed, my back would hurt when I would try to stretch my left leg
- numbness in my right and left leg
- Veins were hurting, felt like they were gonna rip? Hard to explain
Once i hit 4.4 suddenly all those pains just went away. This is what I mean by pain point. The pain will pass, you just hit a pain point. Just keep stretching keep lengthening; dont panic
- did not take tramadol; took oxy almost every night until no longer needed. Sometimes 1 pill sometimes 2 depending on pain.
Easy in between
5.5cm-6cm
- pinched nerve pain returned for round 2
- here I started to really push physically in PT again; I was going super hard on the bike in PT, trying to go as fast as I can so guess what? Caused myself some inflammation!
- Had to take Oxy for 4 ish nights (only at night) until no longer needed
6-8cm
- Super easy
- pinched nerve pain completely gone
- yes I am more tight but you just suck it up during stretching. I don’t consider stretching as a pain because you can control how much you stretch (usually 45 seconds 2 sets each leg each excersise 3 times / day) & it’s kinda just like being at the gym, it’s a whatever temporary pain
- there were a couple nights I took oxy but maybe 2-3 nights
- started going out alot at 7cm
I think that pretty much wraps everything up! I’m really looking forward to doing Tibias. My goal is 6-8cm whatever Paley will let me do without trading off functiion, but ideally 7cm which will put me at 5’10 which in lifts is almost 6’1 id be super super happy. I am not worried about proportions. I am very atheltic so if I just get a thick upper body it’ll be fine. Lookup Simeon Panda if you are worried about proportions, he has almost no torso and looks amazing
If you have any questions LMK! Goodluck LL’ers
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Congrats dude!
And thanks this was very informative!
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What percentage of patients there come alone for this procedure?
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What percentage of patients there come alone for this procedure?
Most! I mean usually its with their mom, but I highly recommend against that. LL should be a “fun” experience. At least mine has been despite all the pain. Ive been rooming with my friend and another LL patient who’s my age. We bought a ps4 and used to game all the time watch movies together sometimes go out. WAY different experience vs someone who’s alone, that’s torture
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Because you said you have list some weight. How was your nutrition during LL (calories, supplements, etc.)
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If you worked in an office, do you think you could have gone back during your lengthening? Would you need to stay in west palm beach the entire time? If not, when do you think you could've gone back to work?
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Hope is all well - any updates going into the new year?
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If you worked in an office, do you think you could have gone back during your lengthening? Would you need to stay in west palm beach the entire time? If not, when do you think you could've gone back to work?
One of my friends actually was going back n fourth to his office actually, but you will be limping and you will be assisted walking via cane or crutches so up to you what ud wanna tell people
Also depends on your goal! It’d be very hard to hit 8cm at home because PT is super important!
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I noticed I forgot to add a guideline of how I transitioned so here it is
First week - Walker (although personally it took me 3 days to transition to crutches but again, dont do this, inflammation pain is not worth it)
Week 4-5 - transitioned to a cane
December 22 (almost 3 months after surgery) - transitioned to walking with no cane
I came back home for NYE and saw ALOT of my old friends and litterally its funny
From far away when people see me they smile and say heey wassup then when they get closer to me their face starts to get a little confused as if their foggy memory of me cant makeup wether or not i looked shorter & funny enough no1 noticed my weird walk!
I saw around 10 of my old friends at the club. If yr gonna run into ppl to get them to “get used to you” do it at the club because no1 looks down to observe how you walk in a club + people are drunk + girls be wearing heels and so height in a club is dynamic so no1 cares
When i first saw my friends (5) in my friends house
I walked into the house with my shoes on
They were like daaaamn this guy looks really different
And then they continued to greet me
And then when I took my shoes off it was like okay he’s shorter now, so it was kinda like an illusion
Anyway now that everyone has seen me im gonna keep it lowkey until my walk is normal, & then when I see them again no1 will question it
And if anyone says how did you get taller or you look taller!
I just shrug🤷🏻♂️ Idk ? Act lost
Dont explain, let them
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Evolution; Thank you so much for your diary. What a great look into what it is like to work with Paley Institute and especially the Stryde nail. The "Transitions" speak so much volume as to one's ability to maintain strength and flexibility through weight bearing versus sitting in a wheelchair for weeks and months. I do have one question for you at this time...
It appears that you're a bit over three months into this and you have achieved 8 cm; which is outstanding. What does the walking feel like? Is there pain when you apply pressure. You note that you are not walking normally and I'm not surprised since you have a space between your bones (which is consolidating now); however, I'm wondering if you could describe what areas of your walk that you are compensating for or are sensitive to pressure. I want to understand a bit more why the walk is the way it is as you mention (Not normal yet); so that I may know what to expect for my upcoming procedure.
Thanks so much for any feedback and congratulations on your success!
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so that I may know what to expect for my upcoming procedure.
when is that? last time i heard from u, you were going for consltation with Paley.
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Hi TinyTL - Yes, indeed. My surgery is this week. I'll be creating a diary here with details and hope to shed more light on the procedure and the new nail. I'll be in full Stryde, shortly.
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Hi TinyTL - Yes, indeed. My surgery is this week. I'll be creating a diary here with details and hope to shed more light on the procedure and the new nail. I'll be in full Stryde, shortly.
thanks, looking forward to it
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MyEvolution: Thanks for the diary! Glad it's all going well, I wish you the best of luck with your future lengthening.
One question, whats your wingspan?
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Hi MyEvolution. amazing diary! happy for your achievement. How's your gait now? could you add a video when your gait return normal. Meanwhile, do you find yourself become bow legged or X legged? I heard internal lengthening can cause mechanical axis shift and affect leg shape.
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Hey Evolution. Thank you for sharing your diary. I am also going to get femur LL with Dr. Rozbruch from NYC in coming months, so your diary is super helpful to see what Stryde nails can offer.
How did your other friend manages to work in office during the LL ? I am considering to going back to work after a month or so since I basically get paid to study for a professional business license there; a super good job that I don't want lose. Do you think it is possible to sit for a 9~5 job after a month post surgery ? Seems like you were doing pretty well after first few weeks and that is amazing to know!
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Hey man, thanks for sharing your experience. It really helps us ppl who are considering this know what well be up against. I also noticed that when i wear lifts usually guys who are like within 2 inches taller or shorter than me look confused as to why I'm taller than them or shorter than them but when i have my shoes off they usually know I'm short lol. Im really curios to know what their reaction will be if i do this surgery and gain 2.75 to 3 inches would be. seems like everyone who done this says to just play it like a surprise
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Are you still at the Paley Institute? Do you have some news about superusercj1 ? He hasn't post for a long Time now . Thanks
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MyEvolution - how are you getting on sir? Hope all is well and it would be great to hear an update
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My evolution how are you doing? Hope you are alright, the forum misses your valuay inputs.
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UPDATE
Alright lads it’s been a month since i’ve arrived home and home been recoving and it’s time for an update
First two weeks when i was walking everyday no cane i would feel some muscle pain but it was always something I can endure, sometimes it would effect how I walked a little so little sway was still there
Now 1 month in my walk is completely normal, no1 bats an eye. I get 0 muscle pain now from walking, strarted gyming 6 days/week
Dating
OMG what a difference! I went from feeling like I had to always makeup for being short by trying harder to now having girls litterally jock ride me & its a big ego boost! I was always good looking & fit but my problem was I was super short. But now at 5’7-5’8 even not being so tall I am getting treated WAY different! The other night I had a cute 5’9 blonde over and we hooked up & she calling me handsom and sexy and its a big ego boost cause ive had a 5’9 hookup partner in the past but it was like a secret cause the height difference was so massive and wed never go out in public
But now its not even an issue anymore, already have 3 friends w benefits who I met going out and its CRAZY; cannot wait to hit 5’10-5’11 after doing tibias which will make me +6ft in shoes & then workout everyday it’s gonna be CRAZY
LL has been the #1 life changing thing, I would never ever take it back & I am litterally exstatic and anxious to go do Tibias. I wish I could do it sooner but I have to wait
If yall have questions lmk, love u guys
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UPDATE
Alright lads it’s been a month since i’ve arrived home and home been recoving and it’s time for an update
First two weeks when i was walking everyday no cane i would feel some muscle pain but it was always something I can endure, sometimes it would effect how I walked a little so little sway was still there
Now 1 month in my walk is completely normal, no1 bats an eye. I get 0 muscle pain now from walking, strarted gyming 6 days/week
Dating
OMG what a difference! I went from feeling like I had to always makeup for being short by trying harder to now having girls litterally jock ride me & its a big ego boost! I was always good looking & fit but my problem was I was super short. But now at 5’7-5’8 even not being so tall I am getting treated WAY different! The other night I had a cute 5’9 blonde over and we hooked up & she calling me handsom and sxxy and its a big ego boost cause ive had a 5’9 hookup partner in the past but it was like a secret cause the height difference was so massive and wed never go out in public
But now its not even an issue anymore, already have 3 friends w benefits who I met going out and its CRAZY; cannot wait to hit 5’10-5’11 after doing tibias which will make me +6ft in shoes & then workout everyday it’s gonna be CRAZY
LL has been the #1 life changing thing, I would never ever take it back & I am litterally exstatic and anxious to go do Tibias. I wish I could do it sooner but I have to wait
If yall have questions lmk, love u guys
Great to hear from you. You must be enjoying your new height as it is evident from your post.
Some questions though.
How is you pain level?
How is your walking and callous growth?
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UPDATE
Alright lads it’s been a month since i’ve arrived home and home been recoving and it’s time for an update
First two weeks when i was walking everyday no cane i would feel some muscle pain but it was always something I can endure, sometimes it would effect how I walked a little so little sway was still there
Now 1 month in my walk is completely normal, no1 bats an eye. I get 0 muscle pain now from walking, strarted gyming 6 days/week
Dating
OMG what a difference! I went from feeling like I had to always makeup for being short by trying harder to now having girls litterally jock ride me & its a big ego boost! I was always good looking & fit but my problem was I was super short. But now at 5’7-5’8 even not being so tall I am getting treated WAY different! The other night I had a cute 5’9 blonde over and we hooked up & she calling me handsom and sxxy and its a big ego boost cause ive had a 5’9 hookup partner in the past but it was like a secret cause the height difference was so massive and wed never go out in public
But now its not even an issue anymore, already have 3 friends w benefits who I met going out and its CRAZY; cannot wait to hit 5’10-5’11 after doing tibias which will make me +6ft in shoes & then workout everyday it’s gonna be CRAZY
LL has been the #1 life changing thing, I would never ever take it back & I am litterally exstatic and anxious to go do Tibias. I wish I could do it sooner but I have to wait
If yall have questions lmk, love u guys
What a wonderful to thing to hear from you!
Congrats for your amazing accomplishment ;D
When you have time I really appreciate if you could show us your walking video ;)
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Hey Evolution. Thank you for sharing your diary. I am also going to get femur LL with Dr. Rozbruch from NYC in coming months, so your diary is super helpful to see what Stryde nails can offer.
How did your other friend manages to work in office during the LL ? I am considering to going back to work after a month or so since I basically get paid to study for a professional business license there; a super good job that I don't want lose. Do you think it is possible to sit for a 9~5 job after a month post surgery ? Seems like you were doing pretty well after first few weeks and that is amazing to know!
Yo that was me lol. I just read this.
You can walk with the stryde without a cane a month out but it’s not recommended . I went back to work and had to go caneless so no one would know. Managed to survive but definitely walked weird for 9 hours that day and was pretty sore by the end of the day.
I remember sitting for prolonged periods was brutal because of
The weak gluts up to 30 days or so then it got a little better. Going back at 30 days is pretty tough I’d say but doable.
FYI when we finished there was a older guy there in his late 50s who was walking and going to the gym like a champ 2-3 weeks out as if he didn’t have surgery. He was in really good shape, so your mileage may vary.
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Hello, my friend, I am very happy for your conquest, so this is 100% and you can do the next step to get taller,
I would like to understand better in Centimeters how you will arrive at 6feet. (183cm) because feet is a very inprecise measurement mainly for those who want to gain more height.
You said to have 6'4 162cm - but people think you're 6'5 (165cm) "so I think you should have 164cm which is a value close to 5'5.
you made femur 8cm so it's around 172cm now,
next step if you make 6cm will reach in 178cm (5'10).
to reach 180cm (5'11) will need to make 8cm in the tibia, will you try the maximum that is between 6cm and 8cm?
to arrive at 183cm (6'0) using the correct shoes or boots?
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Yo that was me lol. I just read this.
You can walk with the stryde without a cane a month out but it’s not recommended . I went back to work and had to go caneless so no one would know. Managed to survive but definitely walked weird for 9 hours that day and was pretty sore by the end of the day.
I remember sitting for prolonged periods was brutal because of
The weak gluts up to 30 days or so then it got a little better. Going back at 30 days is pretty tough I’d say but doable.
FYI when we finished there was a older guy there in his late 50s who was walking and going to the gym like a champ 2-3 weeks out as if he didn’t have surgery. He was in really good shape, so your mileage may vary.
Hey man good share! I guess only my body can tell rather I can do that or not.
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Hello, my friend, I am very happy for your conquest, so this is 100% and you can do the next step to get taller,
I would like to understand better in Centimeters how you will arrive at 6feet. (183cm) because feet is a very inprecise measurement mainly for those who want to gain more height.
You said to have 6'4 162cm - but people think you're 6'5 (165cm) "so I think you should have 164cm which is a value close to 5'5.
you made femur 8cm so it's around 172cm now,
next step if you make 6cm will reach in 178cm (5'10).
to reach 180cm (5'11) will need to make 8cm in the tibia, will you try the maximum that is between 6cm and 8cm?
to arrive at 183cm (6'0) using the correct shoes or boots?
Yes so my goal is to do 7-8cm in tibias. Idk if i’ll be able to hit 8 but I think I will definately hit 7cm which will put me somewhere between 178-180cm depending on if I hit 6-8cm (goal is 8 wish me luck)
At 5’11 standing height, simply wearing sandals or shoes will make me 6ft. But I do own a pair of shoe lifts which add 2inches of height which I plan on keeping when i’m 5’11 so I should be going out at roughly 6’1 which to me is just like wtf cause I come from being 5’5 made fun of for being good looking but super short but that’s about to change My current height is 5’7 and a half but i wear indoor slippors just cause so i’m like 5’8 perceieved and when I go out in lifts i’m 5’10 so just add 3 inches to those stats
UPDATES:
Went ahead and booked homewood suites October 1st 2019-end of january. I will be there so prob gonna book surgery for sep27 2019. I wanted to do it earlier but Paley wouldn’t allow me considering my goal. He said i have to wait a year to have a chance at hitting 7cm guess we waiting while I enjoy my new height.
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Nice to hear you're doing well. Hey what's your sitting height?
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Nice to hear you're doing well. Hey what's your sitting height?
Bro - congrats on doing so well. Does it feel really different at your new height? I was in the gym today and there was this guy about 5'6 that had a small frame (I guess you could say normal for his height) and another guy about 5'9 that looked alot more dominating - I was trying to work out whether it was the height difference or the frame difference - I hope that makes sense lol.
I guess my question is do you feel alot 'bigger' at your new height or just taller and do you have the intention of hitting the gym to add mass.
Thanks and it would be great to get a before and after picture too! :)
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UPDATE
Looking to book Tibias end of september 2019 so if yall thinking of doing it i’ll be there LMK
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UPDATE
Looking to book Tibias end of september 2019 so if yall thinking of doing it i’ll be there LMK
Hi MyEvolution
Thank you very much for the notice
I’m looking forward your 2nd season
I would love to see how you are walking now, please please show us your beautiful long femurs :D
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UPDATE
Looking to book Tibias end of september 2019 so if yall thinking of doing it i’ll be there LMK
Bro - how's things - can we get another update?
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It’s been 3 months and couple days since i’ve stopped lengthening so according to Paley estimates (3 months length = 3 month consolidation) I should be pretty much consolodated by now
I just did an Xray today & sent it to Dr.Paley. Will share results in 1-2 weeks
Other updates: going to cancun for spring break🤘🏼 Haha
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MyEvolution can you please ask Paley about development of osteonecrosis post IM nail insertion.
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Hey man, just came across your diary. Congratulations. You seem like a pretty cool guy and one that is on the party life - I bet that’s even better now that you’re much taller than before lol. Anyways, I just wanted to ask a few questions if you don’t mind:
Are you 100% walking normally now (like pre surgery days)?
Do you feel any type of pain? If so, can you describe how the pain is, please?
Other than that I hope you’re doing good and living your life.
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Andriod;
Haha we are the same height!! Little worried cause ppl say the Limit is 13cm for two surgeries but not everyone achieves that. My goal is to stop at nothing till I hit 13cm maybe even 14cm!
I’m doing daily stretching now using YouTube videos, might sign up for Yoga
My score of sit-and-reach is 30cm.Does that mean I can reach my goal easier than those with lower score?
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Hi My Evolution,
Any update on your progress?
I hope all is well.
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Hi My Evolution,
Any update on your progress?
I hope all is well.
Hey yea life is good! It’s not 1000% normal yet I mean i havn’t ran in a long time. I’ve started doing little hops & jump up to do pullups (with caution tho)
So here’s an update: I just got back from cancun and man there was soooooooo much walking that my legs would actually get sore. The thing is eventho i am more healed now as you walk, and go up and downstairs and different terrains different parts of your legs and muscles activate so everyday is different levels of soreness. Sometimes 0 pain, but the max is like a 3-4. However, it’s more of a workout typa pain, but sometimes, it feels like the nail is pressing on your soft tissue? Idk how to explain it its like a dull.. ache? But its not constant it goes away
Anyways, when i was in cancun my friends started to notice the limp because I couldnt keep up with all their walking! They are athletic so they started to call me “old man” and openly talked about how they can pick me out in a crowd cause of my little limp. Came to me as a suprise cause I thought my gait was 100% normal but I guess all that extra strain had me weak. Now that I am back though, I can go up and down stairs super well and natural! Before mexico, I had troubles going downstairs still but now it’s super fast and easy due to all the walking I did in mexico
Moving forward:
Paley said my bones are healing very well
I asked and he said maybe next month I can get back into running & sports so we shall see
SUPER SUPER looking forward to doing tibs!! I saw a friend I havnt seen in soooo long that we used to chill everyday in school &.. i’m exactly his height now & he was tripping out being like dude wtf you got taller for sure sincr when were u my height
I just shrugged and acted lost
The funny thing is I asked how tall he is, seeing as we are the same height and he said 5’9-5’10
Which i laughed at because my real height is 5’7, but Society considers me 5’8 so i’d say i’m actually 5’8 cause rhats what everyone says, but seeing other people my height boost & say they are 5’9& a half is halarious. No doubt when I do another 7-8cm I’ll be accepted easily as 5’11 & can prob easily say i’m 6ft so, looking forward to exiting the 5’something range!
Anyways, I been getting back into stretching calfs, I really wanna hit 7-8cm for tibs so it’s time to prepare as my surgery is gonna be scheduled for end of september!
Here we gooooooo
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Hey yea life is good! It’s not 1000% normal yet I mean i havn’t ran in a long time. I’ve started doing little hops & jump up to do pullups (with caution tho)
So here’s an update: I just got back from cancun and man there was soooooooo much walking that my legs would actually get sore. The thing is eventho i am more healed now as you walk, and go up and downstairs and different terrains different parts of your legs and muscles activate so everyday is different levels of soreness. Sometimes 0 pain, but the max is like a 3-4. However, it’s more of a workout typa pain, but sometimes, it feels like the nail is pressing on your soft tissue? Idk how to explain it its like a dull.. ache? But its not constant it goes away
Anyways, when i was in cancun my friends started to notice the limp because I couldnt keep up with all their walking! They are athletic so they started to call me “old man” and openly talked about how they can pick me out in a crowd cause of my little limp. Came to me as a suprise cause I thought my gait was 100% normal but I guess all that extra strain had me weak. Now that I am back though, I can go up and down stairs super well and natural! Before mexico, I had troubles going downstairs still but now it’s super fast and easy due to all the walking I did in mexico
Moving forward:
Paley said my bones are healing very well
I asked and he said maybe next month I can get back into running & sports so we shall see
SUPER SUPER looking forward to doing tibs!! I saw a friend I havnt seen in soooo long that we used to chill everyday in school &.. i’m exactly his height now & he was tripping out being like dude wtf you got taller for sure sincr when were u my height
I just shrugged and acted lost
The funny thing is I asked how tall he is, seeing as we are the same height and he said 5’9-5’10
Which i laughed at because my real height is 5’7, but Society considers me 5’8 so i’d say i’m actually 5’8 cause rhats what everyone says, but seeing other people my height boost & say they are 5’9& a half is halarious. No doubt when I do another 7-8cm I’ll be accepted easily as 5’11 & can prob easily say i’m 6ft so, looking forward to exiting the 5’something range!
Anyways, I been getting back into stretching calfs, I really wanna hit 7-8cm for tibs so it’s time to prepare as my surgery is gonna be scheduled for end of september!
Here we gooooooo
Really good to hear its going well. Do you feel more comfortable walking barefoot around your friends and family now? This is something I currently hate!
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Thanks for the update man!
Let us know how doing sports for you feels soon, please.
All the best.
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Great update. Please, keep us updated on your situation.
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Ya,
this is the biggest question - what can i say to my friends once I am done with LL? I am terrible at lying. I am trying to wear high heels all the time now (i am a girl) in hopes that people will perceive me as a taller person than i actually am. After LL i am not planning to wear heels for like a year, so seemless height adjustment is a possibility? then i will start wear them like a year after my consolidation is complete.
not sure how to handle my family members though who live overseas and who i see maybe once a year.
the sudden height increase perception by people who know me scares me a lot honestly
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Ya,
this is the biggest question - what can i say to my friends once I am done with LL? I am terrible at lying. I am trying to wear high heels all the time now (i am a girl) in hopes that people will perceive me as a taller person than i actually am. After LL i am not planning to wear heels for like a year, so seemless height adjustment is a possibility? then i will start wear them like a year after my consolidation is complete.
not sure how to handle my family members though who live overseas and who i see maybe once a year.
the sudden height increase perception by people who know me scares me a lot honestly
Most people will not notice and if they realise that something is different, they tend to think that you’ve lost weight. I got that from reading plenty diaries.
However, if they are certain that you’re taller then just say that you stretch a lot, go to the gym, do yoga, been working on your posture etc etc.
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Thanks,
i hope you are right and it is not going to be a big deal.
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The funny thing is I asked how tall he is, seeing as we are the same height and he said 5’9-5’10
Which i laughed at because my real height is 5’7, but Society considers me 5’8 so i’d say i’m actually 5’8 cause rhats what everyone says, but seeing other people my height boost & say they are 5’9& a half is halarious. No doubt when I do another 7-8cm I’ll be accepted easily as 5’11 & can prob easily say i’m 6ft so, looking forward to exiting the 5’something range!
Anyways, I been getting back into stretching calfs, I really wanna hit 7-8cm for tibs so it’s time to prepare as my surgery is gonna be scheduled for end of september!
Here we gooooooo
Nice update!
Its funny you say that. I noticed the same thing after LL. A lot of people who were "5'11" and "5'10" were actually my current height. Thats when I realized that almost everyone fibs about their height. So a girl who says she likes 'guys who are over 6ft tall' is actually picturing an average height 5'9" dude in their head. This is why so many people think 6ft is average. Its totally not. Most people are within 1-2 inches of 5'9".
Good luck for your next surgery. Invite me to Cancun next time.. (jk)
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Nice update!
Its funny you say that. I noticed the same thing after LL. A lot of people who were "5'11" and "5'10" were actually my current height. Thats when I realized that almost everyone fibs about their height. So a girl who says she likes 'guys who are over 6ft tall' is actually picturing an average height 5'9" dude in their head. This is why so many people think 6ft is average. Its totally not. Most people are within 1-2 inches of 5'9".
Good luck for your next surgery. Invite me to Cancun next time.. (jk)
This is so true. It makes me laugh when they say their height, and a lot of them actually genuinely believe that. I remember hearing 'you can even measure me bro you'll see' which is just ..lol
I got measured before my surgery and I myself realized I had inflated my height by over an inch. I am 182 and I thought I was 185.
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Does Paley let you lengthen your tibia more than 5cm with stryde?
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Anyways, I been getting back into stretching calfs, I really wanna hit 7-8cm for tibs so it’s time to prepare as my surgery is gonna be scheduled for end of september!
Will Paley let you lengthen 8cm in tibias done once? Will it be with stryde?
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Angelique answer to my question:
From the past experience in Tibia lengthening, we can safely lengthen up to 5cm. Beyond that point, that's where the complication starts, due to the tightness of the muscles. When you reach 6cm, we can talk about if you are able to go for another cm and so forth. One step at a time.
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Hi MyEvolution,
Will we be getting another update soon?
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Alright quick update
In the process now of scheduling TIBS surgery! This is gonna be the first, Tibia only Stryde diary I eleve. Does anyone know any good Tibs diary I can ready? Can’t find none
So with walking, honestly my gait still isnt perfect eventho i’m stretching everyday but it’s not like questionable. Some friends have asked why i walk like that & i’ve been getting by by saying that I fractured my leg when I got back home by slipping on Ice, everyone believes it. No1 seems to be connecting the dots.
As far as the girl, ya dont worry especially for girls no1 gonna notice anything. Girls always be changing their height w heels
As far as lengthening to 8cm it’s really case by case. Paley is trained to stop you at your limit depending how your body reacts. I’ve met people who have hit 6.5cm in Tibs (didnt make a diary) & so I kow it’s doable it sorta just depends on how luckt I get & how much I stretch. Hope to god that I get at least 7cm ideally 8
Then i’ll be considered 5’11 & realistically probably 6ft cause everyone who’s 5’9 in my city be saying they 5’11 and 6ft😂
With shoes i’ll easily be 6’1
My surgery gonna b booked for sep24th. I didnt orginally wanna do 2 surgeries but honestly my experience had been so amazing & I have a friend doing it with me this is gonna be almost fun
DO NOT do LL alone, try to find someone on the forum to do it with. LL alone is depression. LL with fruebds is funner cause u have someone to hangout with 24/7, share ur pains with etc. Especially in West Palm beach beautiful weather like it’s gonna be easier
Anyway i’ll write back when i’m officially booked!!
If ur on the fence PLEASE do this!! There is NO thing comparable to litterally giving yourself a 5-6 inch height boost that will stay with you for the rest of your life. I am no longer “that short guy” that girls dont want. Now i am normal range & after TIBS i will no longer need to ovrcompensate for my height. I can finally be viewed, as a masculine figure who looks like a solid man.
Ttyl
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Alright quick update
In the process now of scheduling TIBS surgery! This is gonna be the first, Tibia only Stryde diary I eleve. Does anyone know any good Tibs diary I can ready? Can’t find none
So with walking, honestly my gait still isnt perfect eventho i’m stretching everyday but it’s not like questionable. Some friends have asked why i walk like that & i’ve been getting by by saying that I fractured my leg when I got back home by slipping on Ice, everyone believes it. No1 seems to be connecting the dots.
As far as the girl, ya dont worry especially for girls no1 gonna notice anything. Girls always be changing their height w heels
As far as lengthening to 8cm it’s really case by case. Paley is trained to stop you at your limit depending how your body reacts. I’ve met people who have hit 6.5cm in Tibs (didnt make a diary) & so I kow it’s doable it sorta just depends on how luckt I get & how much I stretch. Hope to god that I get at least 7cm ideally 8
Then i’ll be considered 5’11 & realistically probably 6ft cause everyone who’s 5’9 in my city be saying they 5’11 and 6ft😂
With shoes i’ll easily be 6’1
My surgery gonna b booked for sep24th. I didnt orginally wanna do 2 surgeries but honestly my experience had been so amazing & I have a friend doing it with me this is gonna be almost fun
DO NOT do LL alone, try to find someone on the forum to do it with. LL alone is depression. LL with fruebds is funner cause u have someone to hangout with 24/7, share ur pains with etc. Especially in West Palm beach beautiful weather like it’s gonna be easier
Anyway i’ll write back when i’m officially booked!!
If ur on the fence PLEASE do this!! There is NO thing comparable to litterally giving yourself a 5-6 inch height boost that will stay with you for the rest of your life. I am no longer “that short guy” that girls dont want. Now i am normal range & after TIBS i will no longer need to ovrcompensate for my height. I can finally be viewed, as a masculine figure who looks like a solid man.
Ttyl
Hella dope bro! congrats, hope you can get your normal walk back pretty promptly! I'll be doing the same here on the other side of the coast with Dr. Mahboubian 8cm femurs and hopefully 6.5-7 tibias.
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Alright quick update
In the process now of scheduling TIBS surgery! This is gonna be the first, Tibia only Stryde diary I eleve. Does anyone know any good Tibs diary I can ready? Can’t find none
So with walking, honestly my gait still isnt perfect eventho i’m stretching everyday but it’s not like questionable. Some friends have asked why i walk like that & i’ve been getting by by saying that I fractured my leg when I got back home by slipping on Ice, everyone believes it. No1 seems to be connecting the dots.
As far as the girl, ya dont worry especially for girls no1 gonna notice anything. Girls always be changing their height w heels
As far as lengthening to 8cm it’s really case by case. Paley is trained to stop you at your limit depending how your body reacts. I’ve met people who have hit 6.5cm in Tibs (didnt make a diary) & so I kow it’s doable it sorta just depends on how luckt I get & how much I stretch. Hope to god that I get at least 7cm ideally 8
Then i’ll be considered 5’11 & realistically probably 6ft cause everyone who’s 5’9 in my city be saying they 5’11 and 6ft😂
With shoes i’ll easily be 6’1
My surgery gonna b booked for sep24th. I didnt orginally wanna do 2 surgeries but honestly my experience had been so amazing & I have a friend doing it with me this is gonna be almost fun
DO NOT do LL alone, try to find someone on the forum to do it with. LL alone is depression. LL with fruebds is funner cause u have someone to hangout with 24/7, share ur pains with etc. Especially in West Palm beach beautiful weather like it’s gonna be easier
Anyway i’ll write back when i’m officially booked!!
If ur on the fence PLEASE do this!! There is NO thing comparable to litterally giving yourself a 5-6 inch height boost that will stay with you for the rest of your life. I am no longer “that short guy” that girls dont want. Now i am normal range & after TIBS i will no longer need to ovrcompensate for my height. I can finally be viewed, as a masculine figure who looks like a solid man.
Ttyl
Amazing - great to hear - do you feel like the walk is getting better everyday? You look pretty good in the videos from a few months back - so it can't be that bad
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I CANT WAIT TO BE TALL OMGGGGG CANT THIS JUST COME SOONER!! Yall out here worrying about temporary pain & blah blah but dont realize HOW WORTH IT THIS IS
I’m gonna be 5’11 BAREFEET, 6’1 with some nice air forces on LIKE BROOOOO
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I CANT WAIT TO BE TALL OMGGGGG CANT THIS JUST COME SOONER!! Yall out here worrying about temporary pain & blah blah but don't realize HOW WORTH IT THIS IS
I’m gonna be 5’11 BAREFEET, 6’1 with some nice air forces on LIKE BROOOOO
I'm ecstatic for you BRO! I can't wait to read part II of your diary. Keep us posted, MYEvolution!
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I CANT WAIT TO BE TALL OMGGGGG CANT THIS JUST COME SOONER!! Yall out here worrying about temporary pain & blah blah but dont realize HOW WORTH IT THIS IS
I’m gonna be 5’11 BAREFEET, 6’1 with some nice air forces on LIKE BROOOOO
Man I’m over here getting psyche about going from 5’4 to 5’7 LOL. Super nervous about the pain but these diaries have helped a lot. Thanks myevolution!
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Hey MyEvolution, Are you hoping to be fully recovered by the time you get your tibias done?
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Man I’m over here getting psyche about going from 5’4 to 5’7 LOL. Super nervous about the pain but these diaries have helped a lot. Thanks myevolution!
When are u doing that?
LOOL i was just there pretty much! That’s a life changing step imagine getting thoseresults 2x :o
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How is your walking now MyEvolution? As in:
Gait: Is it normal / do people notice anything?
Pain: What is the level of pain?
Endurance/Limitations: How far can you walk? Can you jog/run/jump?
Thanks!
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Hey guys quick update for yall
Getting my Xray done really soon, last one was in March so let’s see if I can run as i’ve been sorta light jogging and messing around as my confidence has gone back up haha
So walking is prettty much normal at this point
I’ve been doing stretches everyday once or twice / day of this routine so i figured i’d share it with you guys since alot of people are asking how they can prepare
Also side note: i’m really proud that this post only has 8 pages so far! I tried to keep this as clean, & straight forward as possible with as little ramble as possible
Okay so here’s the routine
Okay so every stretch must be done for 2 times on each leg, & held for 45 seconds each time. You could also do 30 seconds, 3 times but I find it easier to do 2x45 seconds (cause then it would be 2 on left, 2 on right)
It’s a good idea to do some warm up excersises like walking, kicking etc before starting but ya
Start with “Thomas stretch”
Pretty much lay on your back, on the edge of the bed
Bring one knee to your chest, so its kinda like ur trying to bring it to your nose
Hold it in place kinda like ur hugging it (this is not the stretch, just to get ready)
Then the other leg, bend it so it’s 90 degrees (the opposite of straight out) & bring it as low to the ground as possible while trying to keep it bent 90 degrees
Do that, each leg twice, 45 seconds each rep
Next
Sit on edge of the bed but sideways so your right or left side would be the edge of the bed
Hang on leg off the bed
The other leg just try to touch your toes
Many variations to this but this the one i did
Same thing
45 secs, 2x each leg
Next
For this you actually need a rope, towel, something
Go to edge of bed (front facing)
Let one leg be bent 90 degrees so its pretty much pointing down, off the edge of the bed
The other leg with the rope or towel you wanna try to point it up, to the sky as 90 degreee as possible
So its like, one leg is down, one leg is completely straight up
Same rules
NEXT
Sit down on the floor
Put on leg straight out in front of you (not up, just like straight)
Straighten it
& put your hand on your knee
& push down
These are called push downs
Cause when you lengthen what happens is when you become more tight your leg wants to bend, & doesnt wanna be straight out even when just lounging
So you gotta press it down
Prob wont do much for you now since you havnt lengthened but as you lengthen the stretches wont change it’ll be the same ones everyday
At this point all other stretches are honestly bonus. As long as you do these you’ll be fine
For me i’m doing 2 more stretches for tibias but they are not needed for femurs
Hope that helps! (Do this once, or twice as needed. But keep in mind, when lengthening it is REQUIRED you do this 3x / day, even your PA will tell you this so be ready!)
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Hey guys quick update for yall
Getting my Xray done really soon, last one was in March so let’s see if I can run as i’ve been sorta light jogging and messing around as my confidence has gone back up haha
So walking is prettty much normal at this point
I’ve been doing stretches everyday once or twice / day of this routine so i figured i’d share it with you guys since alot of people are asking how they can prepare
Also side note: i’m really proud that this post only has 8 pages so far! I tried to keep this as clean, & straight forward as possible with as little ramble as possible
Okay so here’s the routine
Okay so every stretch must be done for 2 times on each leg, & held for 45 seconds each time. You could also do 30 seconds, 3 times but I find it easier to do 2x45 seconds (cause then it would be 2 on left, 2 on right)
It’s a good idea to do some warm up excersises like walking, kicking etc before starting but ya
Start with “Thomas stretch”
Pretty much lay on your back, on the edge of the bed
Bring one knee to your chest, so its kinda like ur trying to bring it to your nose
Hold it in place kinda like ur hugging it (this is not the stretch, just to get ready)
Then the other leg, bend it so it’s 90 degrees (the opposite of straight out) & bring it as low to the ground as possible while trying to keep it bent 90 degrees
Do that, each leg twice, 45 seconds each rep
Next
Sit on edge of the bed but sideways so your right or left side would be the edge of the bed
Hang on leg off the bed
The other leg just try to touch your toes
Many variations to this but this the one i did
Same thing
45 secs, 2x each leg
Next
For this you actually need a rope, towel, something
Go to edge of bed (front facing)
Let one leg be bent 90 degrees so its pretty much pointing down, off the edge of the bed
The other leg with the rope or towel you wanna try to point it up, to the sky as 90 degreee as possible
So its like, one leg is down, one leg is completely straight up
Same rules
NEXT
Sit down on the floor
Put on leg straight out in front of you (not up, just like straight)
Straighten it
& put your hand on your knee
& push down
These are called push downs
Cause when you lengthen what happens is when you become more tight your leg wants to bend, & doesnt wanna be straight out even when just lounging
So you gotta press it down
Prob wont do much for you now since you havnt lengthened but as you lengthen the stretches wont change it’ll be the same ones everyday
At this point all other stretches are honestly bonus. As long as you do these you’ll be fine
For me i’m doing 2 more stretches for tibias but they are not needed for femurs
Hope that helps! (Do this once, or twice as needed. But keep in mind, when lengthening it is REQUIRED you do this 3x / day, even your PA will tell you this so be ready!)
Thanks for the advice on the PT! When are you coming out to WPB to do Tibias? PM me I may be out there too!
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Hey bud - any update for how you are getting on - another video perhaps??
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Hey bud - any update for how you are getting on - another video perhaps??
Sup bro - can we get an update please?
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Update:
My Xrays as of june27 were sent to Paley and after review I was cleared to run, jump and play sports. Shooting hopes has been very fun recently :) also did leg day with actualy weights (very light, 10lb on each side squat) and i feel a good sore ans stronger when I walk
Lmao to give u perspective, i used to squat 3 plates each side for 10 reps at 5’5, 160lb
I went on a date with a girl who.. was 5’10 and we were looking each other eye to eye. Funny thing is she said “i was a lil worried u were shorter” prob from someone from my past but anyway its interesting to see that i’ve unlocked 5’10 girls aa potential gf’s cause in the past that waa impossible cause she’s super into me
Moving forward
My surgery is booked for 9/24 WHICH IS NEXT MONTH OMFG I AM SOOOOOOOOOO EXCITED MY LIFE IS ABOUT TO 2X AGAIN OMGGGGGGG
like i’m already super fkn happy how much my life has changed for the better and.. ITS ABOUT TO HAPPEN AGAIN
Goals for tibias: 8CM
that’ll put me at 5’11 nd something
So in shoes 6’0-6’1 which is just.. nuts🥰😍😍😍
Preperation:
I’ve been doing the stretches mentioned in my previous post religiously EVERYDAY since April1st, and on and off since January so
I am feeling suoer prepared and ready to see how much we can max out boys. Will keep everyone updates with Xray photos to validate my journey for you guys
Till the next post :)
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Excited for you man. Love the positive energy and mindset towards your goals. See you in September at WPB!
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Can we get a video update bud?
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Why you change your goal from 4-5 tibia to 8. That will be too risky man!!
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My goal was never 4-5cm that’s WAY too low
I’ve personally met Tibia patients whi have done 6.5cm, and I spoke to Paley himself. He said as long as your body can safetly tolerate lengthening, we will allow you to keep going
So if everything is going well I will continue to lengthen till 8cm, MIN goal is 6.5cm
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did anyone lengthen 8cm before in the institute
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did anyone lengthen 8cm before in the institute
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Yes, Paley told me he had a couple patients hit 7cm with no issues (I think it was 3-4 when i asked) & I remember him saying he had 1 person last year who hit 8cm successfully
So that is my goal & I am sticking to it!
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good luck! plz Keep us updated with your tibias surgery. Also, aree you taking the femur nails out at the same time?
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SURGERY IN 3 WEEKS LETS GOOOOOO
I’m gonna do a walking / running video update for yall before I go in
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Hey Mr.Myevolution.
3 Questions-
1. When are you going to remove the Femurs nails? During the Tibia surgery? Before? After?
2. How is your gait now? If it's 100% fine, since when it is fine? I am stressed about permanently walking weird. Do you think you can walk 100% fine already at month 6/7? how about 11 months?
3. Can you do intensive sports like spinning classes or lifting heavy weights? if you can't, would you ever be possible to do it again? if the answer to the last question is yes, then when?
Thank you so much and I wish you good luck.
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SURGERY IN 3 WEEKS LETS GOOOOOO
I’m gonna do a walking / running video update for yall before I go in
Would love to see that walking / running video update to see what progress looks like a year after the femur surgery!
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Update:
My consultation with Paley is Monday (23rd)
SO EXCITED FOR ROUND2
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Dear Sir
May I ask that do you think doing Paley's option 5 (4+4 in femur and tibia, then rebreak after your recovery for another 4+4) is actually the most possible way to grow 16cm? From what I have heard from you, you said Paley would stop lengthening a limb if that person's safe limit has reached.
However, if I just do 4cm in each segment,which I believe is within the safe limit. After my recovery, is doing another 4cm still within safe limit? I am not a medical doctor, yet from my understanding, once your body recovers and soft tissues are healed, it should be feasible to do another "4+4", am I correct?
I can tolerate a lot of pain, yet I don't know whether my body will allow me to lengthen such amount in just one surgery ( and I don't want my Achilles tendon to be hurt permanently), so I want to ask whether option 5 would be the best possible choice to achieve what I want.
Please tell me anything about option 5 if you know about it. Thanks!
On the other hand, good job man, doing LL is not what a lot of people have courage to do.
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How much of your athletic ability do you recover after one year of doing femurs?
How do you want to avoid equinus doing 8cm in tibia?
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From my experience and talking to other pations & paley, option 5 (4+4) is mostly for people who can only afford to go through this surgery once. I have never yet met someone who has re broken again & gotten 16cm. It prob happens but the pain is way too much usually that ppl never come back
I took my own approach
8cm femurs, alone
Wait a year
Come back and aim for 8cm in tibias
I am certain that i will b able to at least hit 7cm without problems but i’ll keep you guys updated
I wouldnt recommend #5 unless u know 100000% u are gonna do it twice, but even then i feel like having one body part healed is better so only one is suffering at a time. It’s way too much pain to do 2 at once people usually quit
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This is great info thank you very much MyEvolution
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Thanks for your replying, I hope that you could get the amount of height you want to have.
I would like to ask that do you mean if I could actually tolerate the pain, then option 5 is a feasible option?
Because I don't want my achilles tendon to be permanently weakened due to too much lengthening of tibia at once.
So I think I will only consider option five.
According to some medical doctors, they said I have extremely high physical pain tolerance, so I think option 5 is ok for me.
On the other hand, I would like to ask that whether lengthening JUST 4cm at a segment without "your body's limit" problem is ALMOST always possible? For some reason I really want to have six inches more SAFELY, so I would not consider other options.
Thanks for your answering in advance. Good luck and hope to hear from you soon.
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Alright quick update
In the process now of scheduling TIBS surgery! This is gonna be the first, Tibia only Stryde diary I eleve. Does anyone know any good Tibs diary I can ready? Can’t find none
So with walking, honestly my gait still isnt perfect eventho i’m stretching everyday but it’s not like questionable. Some friends have asked why i walk like that & i’ve been getting by by saying that I fractured my leg when I got back home by slipping on Ice, everyone believes it. No1 seems to be connecting the dots.
As far as the girl, ya dont worry especially for girls no1 gonna notice anything. Girls always be changing their height w heels
As far as lengthening to 8cm it’s really case by case. Paley is trained to stop you at your limit depending how your body reacts. I’ve met people who have hit 6.5cm in Tibs (didnt make a diary) & so I kow it’s doable it sorta just depends on how luckt I get & how much I stretch. Hope to god that I get at least 7cm ideally 8
Then i’ll be considered 5’11 & realistically probably 6ft cause everyone who’s 5’9 in my city be saying they 5’11 and 6ft😂
With shoes i’ll easily be 6’1
My surgery gonna b booked for sep24th. I didnt orginally wanna do 2 surgeries but honestly my experience had been so amazing & I have a friend doing it with me this is gonna be almost fun
DO NOT do LL alone, try to find someone on the forum to do it with. LL alone is depression. LL with fruebds is funner cause u have someone to hangout with 24/7, share ur pains with etc. Especially in West Palm beach beautiful weather like it’s gonna be easier
Anyway i’ll write back when i’m officially booked!!
If ur on the fence PLEASE do this!! There is NO thing comparable to litterally giving yourself a 5-6 inch height boost that will stay with you for the rest of your life. I am no longer “that short guy” that girls dont want. Now i am normal range & after TIBS i will no longer need to ovrcompensate for my height. I can finally be viewed, as a masculine figure who looks like a solid man.
Ttyl
Hii, i remember reading the beginnings of your diary months ago when you started it, Anyway:
1) so you did Femurs stryde first and then waited a year and did tibia or both at same time?
2) how much did u reach in femurs?
3) since you seem like you did both already, which one was easier femur or tibia?
4) whats that TIBS surgery you mentioned?
5) did you do IT BAND release ?
6) MEDICATION: did u take alot of antibitoics and heavy medicines that destroy the body or it was just the first 2 weeks and thats it?
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TIBIA SURGERY IS TOMORROW MORNING, ROUND TWO BEGINS HERE WE GOOOOOOOOO
My goal is 8cm or at least 7, robbins said he's never met anyone who's passed 5cm
but he's also said that I'm the first case of someone doing Stryde Tibia, without doing quadaralteral so i think that'll have a major difference
pretty much fully healed at this point, i walk fine, i can jump, my running is a little awkward but I can run, I played a game of tag with my non cripple friends last week and actually caught 2 people (the place was very enclosed but still)
they measured me at 170cm today
WISH ME LUCK GUYS THE ROAD TO 8CM BEGINS
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TIBIA SURGERY IS TOMORROW MORNING, ROUND TWO BEGINS HERE WE GOOOOOOOOO
My goal is 8cm or at least 7, robbins said he's never met anyone who's passed 5cm
but he's also said that I'm the first case of someone doing Stryde Tibia, without doing quadaralteral so i think that'll have a major difference
pretty much fully healed at this point, i walk fine, i can jump, my running is a little awkward but I can run, I played a game of tag with my non cripple friends last week and actually caught 2 people (the place was very enclosed but still)
they measured me at 170cm today
WISH ME LUCK GUYS THE ROAD TO 8CM BEGINS
Love that positive mindset and optimism. Excited for you bro, you got this!
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Hiii....It was an awesome diary ....I hope you get your tibias done successfully...Pls can you post a picture of your femur x-ray? At this point?
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Good luck bro bro!
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Your optimism is seriously giving me a lot of hope. I'm doing stryde tibias this January. I'll be glued to your recovery. Best of luck, I mean it! Keep up the great outlook!
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It is FINALLY TIME GUYS
i’m writing this from my hospital bed, just did the Tibia surgery last night. Again, i’m going to keep this forum as simple, & easy to follow as possible while comparing it to femurs
Woke up at around noon yesterday
Pain:
- femurs was def less painful, i woke up and my pain was around a 6, but with the meds its back down to a 2. HOWEVER, the pain in my opinion is in a more tolerable location!! There is NO pain on my ass or thighs because femurs are already done!! This is amazing to me, i can deal with someshin pains and some ankle tightness anyday over a massive femur muscle and glutes. Last year femurs got so bad i couldnt even sit on my butt cause of the pain
I am motivated and confident I will hit at least 7cm for tibia since I am only doing tivias and my femurs feel 100% healed
LETS GO BABY
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Good to hear that!
May I ask do you acknowledge that internal tibias may cause permanent knee pain?I am quite afraid and so I am still considering Paley. Can you tell me more about that please? (I heard that although Paley is the best LL surgent, he still will split your patella tendon to insert nails, is that true?)
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Thanks for sharing your experience with us again! Could you inform us the stretches you did before your tibias surgery? Thanks!
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Stretches are on page 8!!
UPDATE: just finished walking around the whole block using the walker. Guys idc what anyone says Tibias are WAAAAAAAAY easier!! Yes there is lots of pain but its way more managable than those big femurs and glutes
I have a feeling this is gonna be a lot easier :)
I get discharged tomorrow
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Any idea on when you’ll get the Stryde taken out of the femurs? Will that be 2 more surgeries to remove femurs + tibias, or can they do both in 1 go?
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Are you planning to do arm lengthening?
I'm guessing your proportions are going to start looking a little bit off after passing the 5'9 mark, but anyways congrats bro.
Post pics and videos ;D that'd be great.
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Lool na im gonna be fine
When i was 5’5 my boxing trainer told me I should use my reach to my advantage
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Why don't you stop at 5cm? 3cm will not make a difference in your height and it will make a huge difference in your recovery.
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Man fk that, i’m going to recover fully regardless, noway in hell I am leaving 3cm on the table
There’s way too much talk on this forum about ppl being worried they wont recover well blah blah
Even ppl were suggesting only doing 6.5cm on femurs which is sucha myth, i fully recovered
8cm baby lets go
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Well, it's your legs, you do what you want. I think 8cm you will need ATL, and it's hard to believe you will recover well after that.
Could you run as fast as before after 1 year doing 8cm in femurs?
Could you please do a update after 2 years after tibia surgery with videos running?
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Any idea on when you’ll get the Stryde taken out of the femurs? Will that be 2 more surgeries to remove femurs + tibias, or can they do both in 1 go?
Any response to this @MyEvolution ?
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Any response to this @MyEvolution ?
Next yr i’ll come back and take both femurs and tibs out sane time
Yo update: i an able to sleep on my side!! This is something that took me 3 weeks with femurs
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Next yr i’ll come back and take both femurs and tibs out sane time
Yo update: i an able to sleep on my side!! This is something that took me 3 weeks with femurs
wow! that's great to hear about femurs/tibs removed at same time + you can sleep on the side. Not gunna lie man, you've sold me on getting this surgery done and have made me feel a lot more confident about this. You and @Movie :)
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Haha thanks LittleLA, I just hit 5 CMs today so stoked about that thank god everything so far is going fairly well
MyEvolution: haha you're a crazy dude, coming from another crazy dude that's a compliment >:) I know you're gonna achieve your goal and recover fully bro, no other way around it, you got dis letsgetit
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Yesss Movie get it :)
Be warned, 5.5cm is where I had the most nerve pain EVER. But i kept stretching and lengthening and it went away around 6.2cm
From then on there was no more pains
If u ever have a concern feel free to hit me up, get that 8 baby
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Hey guys jus wanted to give you a meaningful scoop
Couple days ago i said that i went around the hospital walking zone a couple times no problem. This is true however I dnt want you thinking I am doing this type of walking everyday because I am not. In fact, like i said i’m taking a much “lazier” approach.
Last yr i overdid it and had crazy inflammation week1-3
This time around I am only getting out of bed when I need to and even then, i’m litterally just transferring to my wheelchair. Even using the pee thing from bed. Jus wanted to give you guys a realistic view because i do NOT want u guys trying to physically push urself week1-3 you WILL & I repeat you WILL regret it.
This is not a race, take it slow avoid inflammation at any cost
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Yesss Movie get it :)
Be warned, 5.5cm is where I had the most nerve pain EVER. But i kept stretching and lengthening and it went away around 6.2cm
From then on there was no more pains
If u ever have a concern feel free to hit me up, get that 8 baby
yeah bro I think I might be building up to there lately been dreading lengthening lol been having small nerve pains since 4.5CMs and they just keep getting a little worse and worse every couple days, hopefully by 6.2CMs they subside for me as well, all temporary though I ain't no weak nigga, I got this lol. you already knooow baybeee 8cms #Minimum
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have you guys thought about getting stem cell injections to speed up recovery? also what about hiring a massage therapist to hit those legs a few times per week? @MyEvolution @Movie
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Hey LL community need some advice from pro Tibs
So far tibs has been waaaay easier than femurs gotta say
I was having hot flashes this week because I wanted to see if I can go through the whole day no pain killers no tylenol, bad plan. Had strong fever like symptoms till i resumed my oxy and tylenol
Besides that i been on top of my stretching, 3x / day + PT
But
We gotta wear the tibia shoes?! They are soo uncomfortable and I dnt rven feel a stretch rn, all I feel is blood circulation getting cut off and my feet go numb after wearing them. WHAT DO I DO?! Only thing i feel guilty about is not wearing them cause they litterally hurt
Any advise?!
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MyEvolution-
Tibia's are a walk in the park compared to femurs (when using Stryde) pun was intentional...
The one aspect of Dr. Paley's tibia protocol that needs to be addressed are those universal fit tibia boots, while medically beneficial they are horribly uncomfortable, your best solution is to purchase custom fit boots, they offer a dramatic improvement. Dr. Paley should be using custom fit boots on every patient, I don't understand why he still uses those universal fit boots, they work, but custom fit is the answer.
The next time I see Dr. Paley i'm going to give him a piece of my mind for still using those one size fits all style boots.
For a reference look up Iamready patient experience.
Keep up the great work buddy, post some walking videos, there are no Stryde walking videos of a tibia patient, so you'd be the first and only, which would make you special in my eyes, and as you know that's what's important in life ;)
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Lmaooo!! Ironically Paley actually made everyone this yr custom shoes. A guy game in, did measurements and molds etc
Problem is this shoe is made out of frikken plastic it hurts like crazy
Thinking of ordering the ones off Amazon heard they comfy
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May I ask that do you acknowledge doing internal tibia has higher risk of getting permanent knee pain due to the splitting of patella tendon? If yes, csn you tell me what still motivated you to do internal tibia with Paley. Thanks!
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May I ask that do you acknowledge doing internal tibia has higher risk of getting permanent knee pain due to the splitting of patella tendon? If yes, csn you tell me what still motivated you to do internal tibia with Paley. Thanks!
dude idk what ur going on about. Im not gonna get permanent knee pain my knee pain is going away very fast. Internal tibs are way better than external and Paley is best of the best IMO. I got 8cm with femurs, I know all the PT people, i am comfortable, i like florida idk lmao im a simple guy
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May I ask that do you acknowledge doing internal tibia has higher risk of getting permanent knee pain due to the splitting of patella tendon? If yes, csn you tell me what still motivated you to do internal tibia with Paley. Thanks!
Cutting knee is practiced widely by orthopedists
Only crappy and sloppy doctors have very high risk of leaving bad permanent damages by cutting knees
Also those doctors who say pure external is the best because it doesn’t cut knees, they are the ones who don’t know the good techniques, it’s merely their excuse for not having enough knowledge of IM nails to tibias
And risks are not just knee pains by cutting knees in this surgery anyways
Many get knee pains even without inserting IM nails due to malalighments, lengthening too much, damaging nerves, having severe knee or joint contracture etc..
I would never trust or choose a doctor who recommend or does mainly pure external
Even with a very slight malalighment can cause knee pains or arthritis, so I would recommend you to do very through research about tibia experts
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Thanks for your answering! I mean no offence and if I did, I apologize for that. The reason I asked this is because people in LL forum always says even Paley will split the tendon to cause permanent knee pain and I am quite afraid of gaining permanent complications.
Hope that you can recover quickly and stay healthy. Look forward to see more of your progress!
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Hey guys, Day 13 since surgery “hell week” is almost over. Honestly tibias have been pretty pain free, idk why. My theory is that I stretched ALOT before surgery & also started stretching 3x /day as soon as I could. Thing that does suck tho is those shoes omfg
Yesterday i went from 0 pain —> 8 throbbing pain after wearing that stupid . Pain got so high last night had to take an oxy before bed. I ordered the amazon ones that are cushiony they look way comfier gonna try that
But also like why do we even have to wear these shoes if we r on stryde? We can walk around alot i think the shoes were meant for people who couldnt walk like precise
I read Shortlivesmatter diary and he hit 6cm no shoes and said he only stopped cause he wanted to go home
Thoughts?
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What do you think it is easier to walk: with broken femurs or broken tibias? What nail diameter Paley used in your tibia?
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100% easier to walk with broken tibias. Everyone is underestimating how crazy femurs actually are, it seems somewhat barbaric now thinking in hind·sight. Glutes you have to worry about WAY more inflammation, crazy stuff
Update: So i've talked to Physical therapy and I've reduced my PT sessions from 5x/week to 3x/week for now because I want to start saving them up for the months of december/january when im REALLY gonna need it.You only get a total of 60 PT visits which means if i went the regular 5x/week id run out around mid december putting me around 6cm which is NO GOOD
also the amazon splints are way better! wore them for 4 hours yesterday, today we're gonna see how long I can wear them for. eventually goal is to sleep with them, slowly working my way up to them
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PX5HM9O/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
these r them in case yall wondering, way better than Paley's
not much pain today, off the oxy, just taking tylenol to keep away fever like symptoms.
this year instead of having crazy inflammation like last year I was getting hot sweats, almost fainted like twice just from getting super hot and not taking any pain medication which isnt smart. as long as I take my tylenol the fevers go away
alright fellas I'll check in when i have something more
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Update: Day 17 post op
Just traded in my walker for a set of crutches & they feel way better!
Its crazy everytime i go into pt i get SO many comments on how much more flexible I am than average. Guys I emplore you to prep for your surgery and use my stretch regime!! It’s REALLY starting to pay off feels good to be this flexible
Anywhom nothing much, xrays monday ttyl
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Update:
The last 3 days have been misery for me. Sunday I woke up with a crazy fever so I went to the hospital to get checked for any blood clots. Turns out I have an infection on one of my sites, close to my ankle which is concerning I must admit. They said it’s only a superficcial skin infection and i’ve been taking anti biotics since. Hope this thing clearly up. It has been getting better not as much puss coming out but obviously no one likes these things to happen. Worried but i have faith it’ll b okay
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Update:
The last 3 days have been misery for me. Sunday I woke up with a crazy fever so I went to the hospital to get checked for any blood clots. Turns out I have an infection on one of my sites, close to my ankle which is concerning I must admit. They said it’s only a superficcial skin infection and i’ve been taking anti biotics since. Hope this thing clearly up. It has been getting better not as much puss coming out but obviously no one likes these things to happen. Worried but i have faith it’ll b okay
I'm sorry this happened to you! Hope you are okay.
1. Out of curiosity, did you just call 911 and get picked up in the middle of the night? I guess I've never thought about how a hospital works but I guess they have doctors 24/7?
2. I have a totally unrelated question too. Something I'm wondering about is what things are routine pain/tightness and what pains / problems are definitely hospital worthy. I guess there is the cautious strategy of going to the hospital if someone is not sure but still I am trying to get a sense of what kinds of pain/problems don't require such a visit. (unrelated to your case, where you definitely had to go to the hospital)
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Well, it's your legs, you do what you want. I think 8cm you will need ATL, and it's hard to believe you will recover well after that.
Could you run as fast as before after 1 year doing 8cm in femurs?
Could you please do a update after 2 years after tibia surgery with videos running?
What does ATL stand for?
I second this question on the tibias too. We're all a bit nervous about how internal tibias go in the long run so it'd be great to hear about it.
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What does ATL stand for?
Achilles Tendon Lengthening
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=4266.0
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Are there any Stryde Tibia diaries I can read? Can’t find any
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http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9956.0
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Hi MyEvolution,
I am so stoked for you man. Hope everything goes well with your tibias surgery. I just have one quick question... What is your original wingspan? Since you have lengthened quite a bit, has anyone commented on your wingspan / does it look proportionate? Any chance we can get another video of your walking and gait? Thanks!! :)
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*IMPORTANT UPDATE*
This is a lifestyle/quality update
Over the past 21 days of lengthening (surgery was 27 days ago) its been pretty much a cycle of random pain / uncomfort that has made my overall life quality feel pretty ty in general. Yes sometimes i feel strong like in the mornings, but in general i’ve been taking oxy (mostly to remove pain so that i can sleep at night) and slo trying to manage those night splints. For example, on the 17th of october (day 23 post op) I only slept 2 hours & the day before I only slept 3 hours. My first night of solid 8 hour sleep was day 24 post op. Well today I can finally say that my pain lvls overall, discomfort with the night splints, and quality of sleep have all turned for the better
I’ve started sleeping a regular 7-8 hours daily WITH the night splints on. The trick was to get the amazon ones and to remove the wedge that comes in it. Yesterday was honestly the first time ive ever slept with them on and not felt numbness. Ive also changed my stretch routin to be more tibias focused & i’m seeing myself actually getting more flexible in my ankle movement
Anyways jus took an edible high af and almost feels like oxy so i feel great
Ttyl
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Hey MyEvolution,
Can you please explain who your health provider is for non LL needs or emergencies? Do you still go to Paley center? I would appreciate it if you could answer CodyTheDog's questions as well. And please give an update on the infection. You just stopped talking about it ;D
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Anyways jus took an edible high af and almost feels like oxy so i feel great
Can you buy it legally in Florida with prescription?
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What does ATL stand for?
I second this question on the tibias too. We're all a bit nervous about how internal tibias go in the long run so it'd be great to hear about it.
1 year after femurs my running was like.. barely even running guys, cripple running, more like forced jogging. I believe this is because the rods are still in. I spoke to someone who had a car accident and he had rods in place and stuff and he told me that after the rods were removed thats when he was able to return to normal running and all that sorta stuff
overall im still a lot happier with my life even not being able to fully run but i know once rods are removed and full consolidation, normal function will return
does anyone have any real information on tibia lengthening past 6cm? my goal is in fact 8 because i've been told by the PT team at paley's that some people actually have hit 8cm in tibias, while improving their flexibility at the same time. I keep hearing about maybe needing ATL? or that I will for sure lose function. are there any concrete answers out there or is it mostly speculation?
oh ya my infection is gone thanks to the antibiotics :) Dr.robbins said keep taking them until my checkup this monday so ya
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You can find people who did more than 7cm in tibia in first page, but they did LON.
About ATL: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=4266.0
I would avoid it like the plague. It does not worth the few cms more.
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Does Dr. Paley or Dr. Robin even allow one to lengthen 8 cm in tibia? I never heard about it. When I was there, a patient who was doing only tibia with Stryde tried to get more than 6 cm. But Paley or Robin didn't allow him to go further although his flexibility and mobility was actually quite excellent. I am wondering whether you can go beyond 6 cm at once in Paley institute. One way is that you may slow down lengthening perhaps after 5-6 cm and keep going until 8 cm at a low rate.
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Does Dr. Paley or Dr. Robin even allow one to lengthen 8 cm in tibia? I never heard about it. When I was there, a patient who was doing only tibia with Stryde tried to get more than 6 cm. But Paley or Robin didn't allow him to go further although his flexibility and mobility was actually quite excellent. I am wondering whether you can go beyond 6 cm at once in Paley institute. One way is that you may slow down lengthening perhaps after 5-6 cm and keep going until 8 cm at a low rate.
Honestly i have no real answer. I’ve met a couple patients who did like 6.4cm ish and ive been told by some PT that people have in fact hit 8cm in tibias but I guess by the time mid December hits I should be around the 6cm mark and that’s when we’ll see what happens!!
Maybe Stryde is safer to go for 8cm? That extra inch would be life changing not gonna lie
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Hi MyEvolution
Did you miss my questions?
Like what do you do for non LL related health problems?
Thank you
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Hi MyEvolution
Did you miss my questions?
Like what do you do for non LL related health problems?
Thank you
Sorry I don’t fully understand your question. I am 25 and I don’t really run into health problems knock on wood. Usually it’s LL related like a fever, or an infection etc. Most of the times i dont go to the hospital but during the first 1-3 weeks if you have a fever or an infection its a good idea to go get it checked as it could be serious
I do have my brother here with me as my primary care taker but i dont really have non LL health problems
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*IMPORTANT UPDATE*
This is a lifestyle/quality update
Over the past 21 days of lengthening (surgery was 27 days ago) its been pretty much a cycle of random pain / uncomfort that has made my overall life quality feel pretty ty in general. Yes sometimes i feel strong like in the mornings, but in general i’ve been taking oxy (mostly to remove pain so that i can sleep at night) and slo trying to manage those night splints. For example, on the 17th of october (day 23 post op) I only slept 2 hours & the day before I only slept 3 hours. My first night of solid 8 hour sleep was day 24 post op. Well today I can finally say that my pain lvls overall, discomfort with the night splints, and quality of sleep have all turned for the better
I’ve started sleeping a regular 7-8 hours daily WITH the night splints on. The trick was to get the amazon ones and to remove the wedge that comes in it. Yesterday was honestly the first time ive ever slept with them on and not felt numbness. Ive also changed my stretch routin to be more tibias focused & i’m seeing myself actually getting more flexible in my ankle movement
Anyways jus took an edible high af and almost feels like oxy so i feel great
Ttyl
Thanks! I had a question- perhaps, I'm misunderstanding something
1. "The trick was to get the amazon ones and to remove the wedge that comes in it. "
Which ones did you get?
2. What was the problem with the older ones?
3. If you remove the wedges, isn't the splint not doing the stretching? Maybe I'm misunderstanding?
Thanks!!!!
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Thanks! I had a question- perhaps, I'm misunderstanding something
1. "The trick was to get the amazon ones and to remove the wedge that comes in it. "
Which ones did you get?
There should be a link! I got size Large
It comes with a wedge in it that makes it like past 90 degrees.
2. What was the problem with the older ones?
Made out of plastic they litterally squeeze your leg it hurts
3. If you remove the wedges, isn't the splint not doing the stretching? Maybe I'm misunderstanding?
No ya the wedges put you past 90 degrees not needed
U just need to maintain 90
Thanks!!!!
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Something things to have happened on the forum- it didn't show your response. By chance, could you retype it? Thanks!!!!!
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Hey MyEvolution,
The only thing, I am really curious about is that, when will they remove the nails? Are they generally removed a year after the surgery?
thanks.
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Weird let me redo
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I got size large
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PX5HM9O/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It comes with a wedge in it
2. The paley ones are made from plastic, idk how they expect you to sleep with plastic on that litterally presses against your bones and hurts
3. No when you remove the wedge your feet go back to 90 degrees which is all thats needed. the wedges are optional even PT told me that, you dont need to go past 90 degrees
The only thing, I am really curious about is that, when will they remove the nails? Are they generally removed a year after the surgery?
- Yea they remove all the nails when you are fully consolodated which is 1-1.5 years afterward depending on your xray
Guys so my plan rn is im gonna go to 6cm which i'll be at around mid December, and from there I'll take it by ear. I REALLY WANT 8cm because that's gonna make a huge difference but we'll see.
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How long is the surgery? My friend and I were thinking it must not be longer than 2-3 hours, especially with such skilled doctors?
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How long is the surgery? My friend and I were thinking it must not be longer than 2-3 hours, especially with such skilled doctors?
Honestly i’m not sure I didn’t ask
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*Important progress update*
Just got back from PT & doctors appt i got a lot of info cleared up. The first myth i want to dispute is the whole losing function thing if you go past 7cm for tibias. Guys you don’t randomally just lose function. Loss of function mainly depends on two things: your gradual bone formation and your soft tissues.
1. If your bones are showing slow gradual filling
2. If you are flexible enough to easily bring your toes above 90 degrees into the 5-15 range. If you maintain that range until 8cm, they will let you go through 8. Based on averages and studies however, most people have shown that around 5cm they stop being able to get in that safe 5-15 degree range, and so they stop you. HOWEVER, if you are within that 5-15 degree range, they will let you keep going to 8 and NO you will NOT randomally lose function and all that bs years later. Paley’s team is the best, they will not allow you to develop ballerina. If you start developing ballerina, you’ve went past your safe limit and have began trading function for length
That being said, my assessemtn right now at 2.1 CM is unfortunately tighter than average :/ he said that i am at the lower end of normal which is not good. My new strategy now is to hit the board stretches EVERY HOUR. I cant afford to fool around anymore. With this new information that YES, if I am flexible enough i CAN SAFETLY HIT 8cm, its now me vs me
I will be setting an alarm to go off every hour and will stretch idc
Hopefully that fixed my situation I’ll keep you guys posted
THE ROAD TO 8CM SAFETLY IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE BUT MIGHT AS WEL TRY!!!
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Great information.... your in safe hands.. your goal is reachable.. stay strong my friend 8)
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Yeah man real solid info. Thanks for the updates. Super solid ;)
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Update:
I’ve transitioned to a cane now no more crutches!
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Calling on the LL community for help!!
I pretty much got the green card from the doc to go to 8cm on tibias, contingent on that I always maintain a dorsiflextion above 90 degrees ideally 5-15 degrees. I kid you not, today I litterally stretched more than 10 times. This is exhuasting but i’m pushing through. Problem is my right leg is JUST passing 90, maybe 2-3 degrees and my left leg is 2-3 degrees under
I started out 10 degrees on my right, 5 on my left.
I am starting to be concerned I need help any advice to fix my dorsiflextion
I am at 2.5cm rn. At this rate i’ll probably start failing very soon / 5cm max.
Any expert tibias out there have advice to fix your dorsiflextion? Please and thank you
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Guys please don’t ever think this is gonna be easy. I am littrrally suffering rn 9/10 pain from my left femur!! I guess my femur hasnt fully recovered yet so I just poped 10mg of oxy hopefully that kills the pain
2.5cm baby by dec1 i’ll be at 5cm and then we’ll see if by jan1 i can hit 7.5
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Guys please don’t ever think this is gonna be easy. I am littrrally suffering rn 9/10 pain from my left femur!! I guess my femur hasnt fully recovered yet so I just poped 10mg of oxy hopefully that kills the pain
2.5cm baby by dec1 i’ll be at 5cm and then we’ll see if by jan1 i can hit 7.5
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Love your attitude! Get it!
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Love your attitude! Get it!
Thank you!! :)
Update:
So i’ve been stretching every hour (when im done stretching I set my alarm to go off in an hour)
And i THINK its working!! Both my legs are now past 90 degrees around 3 degrees! This is according to my noob estimate tho, won’t know for sure till monday! Monday I have a flexibility test with PT & I have a dr apppointment. Will check back monday!
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Guys please don’t ever think this is gonna be easy. I am littrrally suffering rn 9/10 pain from my left femur!! I guess my femur hasnt fully recovered yet so I just poped 10mg of oxy hopefully that kills the pain
2.5cm baby by dec1 i’ll be at 5cm and then we’ll see if by jan1 i can hit 7.5
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Wow. You’re a badasss dude! Very inspiring. 7.5cm would mean you’d almost hit 6” in a little over a year... that must be life changing! Rooting for you man, keep pushing!
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Calling on the LL community for help!!
I pretty much got the green card from the doc to go to 8cm on tibias, contingent on that I always maintain a dorsiflextion above 90 degrees ideally 5-15 degrees. I kid you not, today I litterally stretched more than 10 times. This is exhuasting but i’m pushing through. Problem is my right leg is JUST passing 90, maybe 2-3 degrees and my left leg is 2-3 degrees under
I started out 10 degrees on my right, 5 on my left.
I am starting to be concerned I need help any advice to fix my dorsiflextion
I am at 2.5cm rn. At this rate i’ll probably start failing very soon / 5cm max.
Any expert tibias out there have advice to fix your dorsiflextion? Please and thank you
The guy who hit 7.6cm tibia without getting ballerina did 6 to 8 hours of standing calf stretch with an inclined wedge everyday without counting break time, never had a day off.
He said if didn’t do long hours stretching, next day it would be harder to stretch
Less than 5 hours is not good
If aiming over 7cm, really need 7 hours a day average or even more if you are doing after femurs.
https://images.app.goo.gl/nSLLtqUPe7sLULTG6
Also I heard this balance board is good for stretching both AT and IT bands
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Trademark-Innovations-15-5-in-Tan-Wood-Wobble-Balance-Board-Balance-Trainer-BALBRD-WOOD/303046322
If consolidation speed allows, better to slow down lengthening speed to reduce pain
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The guy who hit 7.6cm tibia without getting ballerina did 6 to 8 hours of standing calf stretch with an inclined wedge everyday without counting break time, never had a day off.
He said if didn’t do long hours stretching, next day it would be harder to stretch
Less than 5 hours is not good
If aiming over 7cm, really need 7 hours a day average or even more if you are doing after femurs.
https://images.app.goo.gl/nSLLtqUPe7sLULTG6
Also I heard this balance board is good for stretching both AT and IT bands
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Trademark-Innovations-15-5-in-Tan-Wood-Wobble-Balance-Board-Balance-Trainer-BALBRD-WOOD/303046322
If consolidation speed allows, better to slow down lengthening speed to reduce pain
Wow thank you this is very useful!!
Perhaps i should post my current stretching routin so yall can give me input
But so far what i’ve been doing is every hour i’ll go stand on the board for 12 minutes. 6 mins is a dedicated achilles area stretch (you bend you knee and push it forward) and other 6 minutes is a straight leg stretch for the upper calf area
So far i’ve been hitting it every hour so in a day roughly 8-12 times so total stretch time would be.. 12x10 120 mins so 2 hours!! Wow i’m slacking
Can I get more information? Did he just stand on it what was the strategy? Is there a forum
Thank you so much i really wanna hit as close to 8 as possible
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Wow. You’re a badasss dude! Very inspiring. 7.5cm would mean you’d almost hit 6” in a little over a year... that must be life changing! Rooting for you man, keep pushing!
Thank you! And honestly i cannot express how life changing this is. Im going from being a 5’5 dude to a 5’11 guy no shoes, with shoes i’ll be 6ft maybe 6’1 with lifts . All of my friends will notice but frankly idgaf. I will not apologize for being me. I wont tell them I did LL maybe ill say i did HGH or late bloomer but yes this is a very life changing thing no doubt
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Thank you! And honestly i cannot express how life changing this is. Im going from being a 5’5 dude to a 5’11 guy no shoes, with shoes i’ll be 6ft maybe 6’1 with lifts . All of my friends will notice but frankly idgaf. I will not apologize for being me. I wont tell them I did LL maybe ill say i did HGH or late bloomer but yes this is a very life changing thing no doubt
I'm so happy for you, man. KEEP.GOING.STRONG. I know you are.
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Wow thank you this is very useful!!
Perhaps i should post my current stretching routin so yall can give me input
But so far what i’ve been doing is every hour i’ll go stand on the board for 12 minutes. 6 mins is a dedicated achilles area stretch (you bend you knee and push it forward) and other 6 minutes is a straight leg stretch for the upper calf area
So far i’ve been hitting it every hour so in a day roughly 8-12 times so total stretch time would be.. 12x10 120 mins so 2 hours!! Wow i’m slacking
Can I get more information? Did he just stand on it what was the strategy? Is there a forum
Thank you so much i really wanna hit as close to 8 as possible
He continued standing calf stretch with a wedge for about an hour or so depending on the muscle condition; when muscle started to shake, he stopped stretching and had some minutes of break, repeated this at least several time a day
Also used leg press machine to stretch knees, pushing away and holding the heavy board with straight legs
never stopped stretching exercise even when he had pin site infections
It’s super painful to do exercise with infections but continued with oxycodone or some injections
when he started having slight contracture in his knees towards the end of lengthening, he spent more time on leg press machine with sand bags to push down knees
At Donghoon hosp they give PT sessions 5 times a week for 4 months
They change programs depending on each patient since the conditions of patients vary and not the same for everyone
Donghoon also doesn’t allow patients to continue lengthening when there’s no ankle dorsiflexion
For him to reach 7.6 cm, it took about 6months
After the 4 months, he took PT sessions a few times a week
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He continued standing calf stretch with a wedge for about an hour or so depending on the muscle condition; when muscle started to shake, he stopped stretching and had some minutes of break, repeated this at least several time a day
Also used leg press machine to stretch knees, pushing away and holding the heavy board with straight legs
never stopped stretching exercise even when he had pin site infections
It’s super painful to do exercise with infections but continued with oxycodone or some injections
when he started having slight contracture in his knees towards the end of lengthening, he spent more time on leg press machine with sand bags to push down knees
At Donghoon hosp they give PT sessions 5 times a week for 4 months
They change programs depending on each patient since the conditions of patients vary and not the same for everyone
Donghoon also doesn’t allow patients to continue lengthening when there’s no ankle dorsiflexion
For him to reach 7.6 cm, it took about 6months
After the 4 months, he took PT sessions a few times a week
Wow that sounds like a plot out of a movie! As if he went through all of that, what a true legend!!
I spoke to my PT guy he said he’s gotten people to 8cm in tibias before, if I stretch every hour hopefully my routine works
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He said other patients who aimed for less than 6cm were doing less hours of stretching than him
Doing over 7cm seems really tough
Besides he plans to do femurs aiming 8cm next year, he had reasons to go through the toughest rehabilitations
But with Stryde which allows you to walk FWB it helps to maintain flexibility more easily
Walking is good excercise and not that boring as just standing for hours with pain
He said the contracture of anckles or knees comes all suddenly and become quite severe very quickly, better not ignore when the slight sign of contracture is seen and need to adjust the program to overcome the problems
90 degree ankle is already considered as ballerina there, the insteps need to touch the last ring of the external frame
BTW those who were doing precice tibia there didn’t use splints at night
Maybe the day time program makes some difference
Or maybe because those Asians with less muscle have easier time stretching
Precice tibia patients hardly have severe pains when not doing stretches
It’s written in Japanese, so I write details of what I heard from him here on behalf of him
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=64200.msg163788#msg163788
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BTW those who were doing precice tibia there didn’t use splints at night
Maybe the day time program makes some difference
Or maybe because those Asians with less muscle have easier time stretching
Precice tibia patients hardly have severe pains when not doing stretches
Thanks for info, TemakiSushi. However, this part may be not really true. All patients for tibias are strongly recommended or even requested to wear splints as much as possible. When I was in Paley, it was a transition moment of Precice and Strdye, so I saw patients for tibias with either Precice or Strdye. They were all required to wear splints. Of course, all ppl complained about splints, as they are really uncomfortable. In Dr. Lee's hospital, patients with Precice nails in tibia never aim for over 6 cm but perhaps only for 5 cm. I have read their info, made contacts with hospitals, and met some patients, so I am pretty sure about their policy and plans and patient's goals/experience. Since Precice is not a full weight bearing, it is much harder to get good stretches on ankles with Precice, unlike full weight bearing devices such as external or stryde. Since their goal is not high, that is why many patients with Precicee may not wear splints. But trust me. It is always better to wear splints, if you are doing tibias.
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Thanks for info, TemakiSushi. However, this part may be not really true. All patients for tibias are strongly recommended or even requested to wear splints as much as possible. When I was in Paley, it was a transition moment of Precice and Strdye, so I saw patients for tibias with either Precice or Strdye. They were all required to wear splints. Of course, all ppl complained about splints, as they are really uncomfortable. In Dr. Lee's hospital, patients with Precice nails in tibia never aim for over 6 cm but perhaps only for 5 cm. I have read their info, made contacts with hospitals, and met some patients, so I am pretty sure about their policy and plans and patient's goals/experience. Since Precice is not a full weight bearing, it is much harder to get good stretches on ankles with Precice, unlike full weight bearing devices such as external or stryde. Since their goal is not high, that is why many patients with Precicee may not wear splints. But trust me. It is always better to wear splints, if you are doing tibias.
To add to what you said, my PT person told me he had 6 people hit 8cm in tibias. Also, he said the last person who hit 8cm that he can remember was 3 years ago and also said it was a precise patient
Perhaps stryde should help because i am always walking
Anyways i’ll ask my PT guy more questions monday any insightful questions leave down below
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Can you describe for us how is your pt session? Does it change every session or it's more the same stretches?
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I’ve collected information of a several precice patients of Donghoon
There are some people reached to 6 cm tibia with precice
So 5 cm limit is not really concrete, Donghoon pays attention to the condition and proportion of each patient rather than the specific number
About Stryde, he has mentioned that it’s probably possible to reach further lengthening than precice depending on the conditions
About splints, those people who have ballerina probably better to use splints
But they do really good everyday PT and order patients to do stretch anckles for long time with rubber bands, I guess many don’t have ballerina even with precice, also muscle mass really counts, asian females don’t have much problems as Caucasian males
Some never took oxycodone nor tramadol during lengthening, some finished lengthening basically painless
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Can you describe for us how is your pt session? Does it change every session or it's more the same stretches?
It’s pretty much same thing
Most important / main stretch is you stand on the slant board one leg at a time
First bend your knee pushing it forward u feel a stretch in your achilles, 3 minutes each leg
Then straight down trying to touch your heel to the board on the sland, while keeping a straight posture, 3 mins each leg
Total 12 min stretch time. Then the rest of PT is random unimportant tbh
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It’s pretty much same thing
Most important / main stretch is you stand on the slant board one leg at a time
First bend your knee pushing it forward u feel a stretch in your achilles, 3 minutes each leg
Then straight down trying to touch your heel to the board on the sland, while keeping a straight posture, 3 mins each leg
Total 12 min stretch time. Then the rest of PT is random unimportant tbh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re_aRqMSP6w
I imagine something like this.
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It’s pretty much same thing
Most important / main stretch is you stand on the slant board one leg at a time
First bend your knee pushing it forward u feel a stretch in your achilles, 3 minutes each leg
Then straight down trying to touch your heel to the board on the sland, while keeping a straight posture, 3 mins each leg
Total 12 min stretch time. Then the rest of PT is random unimportant tbh
I just confirmed that the 7.6cm tibia guy was told to do the same amount of long hours stretching even with Stryde at Donghoon hosp, he will be doing Stryde femur
Also precice patients they do the same long hours stretching on bed, I guess living in the hospital is very boring so people tend to dedicate themselves to stretching more hours
7 hours average if aiming 8cm. Less hours if aiming less cm. NOT counting breaks
I guess there BF is managed well that’s why precice patients at inpatient ward usually don’t use splints, with good dorsiflexion it seems no need of it there but provably if there is slight BF better to use splints
You got very strong will, you’ll make it to 8cm I hope. Good luck
My Japanese friends feel grateful to your diary. Thanks a lot
Wish you have some time for video
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He said other patients who aimed for less than 6cm were doing less hours of stretching than him
Doing over 7cm seems really tough
Besides he plans to do femurs aiming 8cm next year, he had reasons to go through the toughest rehabilitations
hi TemakiSushi, from what I see in the forum, it seems people who plan do both femur and tibia lengthening tends to do femur first, did you know why your friend chose to do tibia first?
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Oh his case it’s because Donghoon will have Stryde end of this year
The last year they didn’t have it yet
The reason why we tend to do tibias is Because most Japanese have short bent tibias
For us tibia surgery is more important than femurs
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Oh his case it’s because Donghoon will have Stryde end of this year
The last year they didn’t have it yet
The reason why we tend to do tibias is Because most Japanese have short bent tibias
For us tibia surgery is more important than femurs
hi, TemakiSushi, thanks for the reply. That makes perfect sense. I was thinking that it might also have the benefit to make it easier to achieve the 7~8cm lengthening goal for tibia if done first. But that is just my idea, I have not read anything in the forum that support this idea.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re_aRqMSP6w
I imagine something like this.
Ya that’s litterally the exact stretch!!
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Oh his case it’s because Donghoon will have Stryde end of this year
The last year they didn’t have it yet
The reason why we tend to do tibias is Because most Japanese have short bent tibias
For us tibia surgery is more important than femurs
Is the stretch he did like the video or did he litterally just stand on the board for hours? I’m going to ask my PT guy what he thinks of this method you are talking about!
Appreciate the insight i really wanna hit 8cm ballerina free
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OYG did quadrilateral and did tibia first, 3weeks after tibias, did femurs at Paley
I don’t know the reasons why tibia first in his case
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Is the stretch he did like the video or did he litterally just stand on the board for hours? I’m going to ask my PT guy what he thinks of this method you are talking about!
Appreciate the insight i really wanna hit 8cm ballerina free
Continuous Standing calf stretch with wedge is for Achilles
He said it was extreamly painful screaming and crying sometimes, but continued stretching and after like 30min, suddenly endorphins come out in the brain and cease the pain, so he could continue stretching longer period and once calves start to shake, it was time to have a break. Repeated this several times a day
For upper part like back of knee, he used leg press machine and sand bag weights over his knees and straighten legs. Also for a long period sitting in this position
But precice patients, they use rubber bands to stretch calves on the bed and they were told to be very careful not to push too much so that the precice nail wouldn’t break when doing the same continuous long hours stretching
Physical therapists were checking the forms of stretches everyday except for weekends
Also they give massage
I guess moving legs like in the video wouldn’t induce endorphins
Need more continuous pressure or pain for brain to induce endorphins
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Also calf raise like in the video is prohibited for tibia lengthening there until lengthening is finished
Calf raise will make calf muscles thicker and harder to stretch calves
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He gave me more specific summaries;
About half an hour continuous standing calf stretch with straighten knees, sometimes less minutes depending muscle condition
Then about 5 min break
so I assume total set is like more than 15 sets everyday to reach 7 hours
It’s boring so he did it with listening audiobooks or watching videos
Only When he experienced continuous extreme pain, his brain started to induce endorphins
Endorphins won’t happen everyday, happened only when pain is extreme and continuous
After 4cm lengthening, his knees started contracture a bit, so PT ordered him to add leg press machine stretching
Later half of the lengthening he was doing longer hours, some days reached over 9 hours of stretching.
He also did knee stretches even when having meals
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Update
I think i have been over stretching or over walking because when i touch my ankle it feels like an injury, it’s super swollen and i have been barely getting any sleep. Weird i thought my quality of life was going up, guess not yet still sorta going through hell. Its weid because only night time is difficult
During the day because i’m moving around alot and staying busy there isnt much focused pain. Only at night when i finally wanna relax it hits me
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Oh poor boy
Do those splints hold calves very tight?
Maybe circulation isn’t good at night
Walking helps circulation during daytime I think
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hi evolution. hang in there. that's what I tell myself too. all these shall pass. keep the eyes on the prize :-\
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I have terrible news :(
After my doctor visit and PT visits
My pt left leg is 7 degrees, right leg is 10 degrees. This however is while pushing hard
Doctor said my left leg is so tight that it is “stop worthy”
This week i will be 2x my PT & streching as much as possible
I have a doctor’s follow up appt on monday
He said i have a 0% chance of hitting 6cm. You guys know i am going to give it everything i got to try to go as far as we can but this is very sad news to me :( im stretching as much as i can and I am struggling really hard. Any help is helpful
As of today I have slowed down my lengthening to 2 turns / day
I am at 3cm
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hi evolution. ever tot of slowing it even further. this will stretch and slow down the entire duration even taking breaks at the 5 or 6 cm mark but it will get u there safer and eventually. discuss with your doc further? worthy aspiration are never easy.. keep your fight going and keep forging new routes to your end goal as safe as u can
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That's tough to hear from your doctor bro, but where there's a will there's a way, maybe just slow down distraction through out the rest of the process, might take you longer but if you really want to reach your goals you'll do what you got to do! anyway hope if all turns out in your favor bro, sending positivity your way, you got this !!
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Average lengthening speed of tibia at Donghoon is much slower.
Only 4cm for 3 months.
This is to reduce risks such as non union, pain and contracture
The 7.6 guy took 6 months to reach to that much
You are still going ahead, if your consolidation arrows, better to do slowly
The 7.6 guy overcame a slight BF at 5cm by slowing down
It took about 3 weeks to increase dorsiflexion for him after the very slight BF
just like your condition considered as a slight BF
Some people slow down to 0.25cm a day
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I have terrible news :(
After my doctor visit and PT visits
My pt left leg is 7 degrees, right leg is 10 degrees. This however is while pushing hard
Doctor said my left leg is so tight that it is “stop worthy”
This week i will be 2x my PT & streching as much as possible
I have a doctor’s follow up appt on monday
He said i have a 0% chance of hitting 6cm. You guys know i am going to give it everything i got to try to go as far as we can but this is very sad news to me :( im stretching as much as i can and I am struggling really hard. Any help is helpful
As of today I have slowed down my lengthening to 2 turns / day
I am at 3cm
I don't mean to be harsh or be that guy, but I think you should count your blessings here and consider stopping soon. You've already gained quite a bit and I just don't see any reason for you to worry too much about trying to gain just a couple more CM at the cost of functional legs. Listen very closely to what your doctor says
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I think there is at least one good news. Some irresponsible doctor may have let you lengthen even if it will result in troubles. Your doctor will make you stop when your body need to stop.
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Hang in there bro. You already did femur LL so now your muscles are tighter than a person doing LL for the first time which is why you are getting tight quickly. Ask Paley if he can do a gastrocnemius fascia release on you to make you looser.
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Thank you for all the kind words guys. I must admit, this entire time I have NOT been going to physical therapy 5x/week like recommended. This week however because they said i was tight i am back in the PT system. That + slowing down to 2 turns / day + no more flights. I was VERY swollen from flying. Last week i had 4 flights which is terrible for my body
Actually yesterday at PT my left leg got -8 degrees by myself compared to -15 the day before which is an improvement
I hear what u all are saying about safety I agree safety first. Hopefully my body can give me the flexibility required to keep lengthening, at least to 6cm. If not then it is what it is safety first but we will see what happens. Please wish me luck i need all thw prayers i can get
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said a prayer for you buddy.
God speed.
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If I had to do LL again, i think i would have done tibias first since femurs is a garunteed 8cm and tibias is all over the place
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did you not strech tibias before the surgery?
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I think you would have to stretch for like a year for it to make a real difference on overall outcomes.
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I stretched for 10 months but not on the slant board :/ wish i knew the proper stretch
Anyways no time to wine
I am now officially stretching for 30 minutes slant board every hour
I do 5 minutes each leg, 3 rounds
I probably stretch 10 times/day + pt so that’s around 6 hours
I’m using tamakiSushi strategy, it’s the last hope I have
I dont want to lay in my bed 2 momths from now wishing i could come back for a chance to stretch more cause maybe i could have gone farther
If this doesnt work, at least I gave it everything i got
I’ll keep you guys updated
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I gave it everything i got
I love to hear it bro! Stay locked in and keep pushing! You've got this!
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I think you would have to stretch for like a year for it to make a real difference on overall outcomes.
Yes that’s right. Even after lengthening period is over, Donghoon patients are ordered to continue stretching as much as possible for faster and better recovery.
Especially with more than 6cm tibia lengthening, the amount of rehab is just enormous, most really don’t have guts to go though the hard works
BUT those who could do these daily hard works, they finish lengthening without contractures and have very good recovery. Now 11 months post op, I heard 7.6cm tibia guy can do deep squat and light jogging without any joint pains. Walking gait is normal so far
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If I had to do LL again, i think i would have done tibias first since femurs is a garunteed 8cm and tibias is all over the place
Hi, MyEvolution. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I was wondering what Dr. Paley's take on doing tibias first to maximize the tibia lengthening. Dr. D (from Las Vegas) seems to suggest that the sequence doesn't make much difference if doing both tibias and femurs.
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Update:
Despite all the bad news I just got complimented today for how great my walk is by a PT. I’m pretty much walking like barely anything happened. I will post a video update of my walk for you guys soon i’ts pretty impressive ngl
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Keep it ip. hope you will hit 8 cm. How long are you doing slanted board stretches everyday?
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Keep it ip. hope you will hit 8 cm. How long are you doing slanted board stretches everyday?
5 minutes per leg, 3 rounds, total of 30mins/ session
I do that every hour
GOOD NEWS:
My pt just tested my dorsiflexion
My right leg has made signifanct improvement
With low effort he got my food to 15 degrees, compared to last time he used max effort to get me to 10 degrees!
My left foot small improvement
With max effort he got me to 10 degrees, compared to last time max effort i got only 7 degrees. Small imrpovement but my theory is that when you become tight ur foot locks up and gets stiff and exponentially gets tighter so with exponential hard work it slowly improved and gets out of that super locked up tight range. As your foot moves out and into normal, exponential work will show a significant improvement as your foot isnt as locked up anymore
My prediction moving forward is my left foot will move into normal range while my right leg will move into the flexible ahead of the curve range. I have a feeling in my heart that I wll hit 7cm BUT we will see
I’ll let you guys know what happens monday!!
Thanks for all the support means alot
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TODAY’S THE BIG DAY
either my dr says i’m loose enough to keep going
Or he stops me
I’ll lyk what he says but i feel i have improved
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GOOD NEWS:
I passed!!! The doctor said I have significantly improved in flexibility he can easily get me to neutral so i can keep going!! That also means that I have figured out how to go from
Super tight—> more flexible so
LETS KEEP THE TRAIN GOING BABY WE GOING FOR 7cm
He now wants me to lengthen 3x on odd days and 2x on even days
For example, tomorrow the 19th, an odd number, i will lengthen 3x
Thank you all for your prayer LETS GOOO
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sheeesh congrats broski! you got that, hard work pays off ! lessgetit
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Could you share your insights about getting from super right to loose?
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Could you share your insights about getting from super right to loose?
1. Actually going to PT. Since october 18th i’ve went to PT maybe 3 times in a whole month. Pt is really important
2. No more flying. Due to all the flights, i was always very swollen my foot was massive couldnt even see my ankles
3. Ever hour I stretch for 30 minutes. I stand on the slant board, 5 minutes each leg for 3 rounds
When i’m done i reset my alarm clock for 1 hour and stretch then. This really has helped
4. I brought my splints into PT & they fixed it for me so that it is appropriotely tight enough. I wear them a lot more
Hopefully this routine will get me as close to 8cm safetly as possible
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Great to hear you are doing well :) :)
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Glad you're doing well, and I hope you make it to 7cm! Quick question though, have you ever heard of a procedure where there is a nail drilled into your foot to maintain neutral dorsiflexion? As far as Dr. Giotikas is concerned, this is a sure fire way to achieve 7cm, albeit it does have some manageable pain with it. He has told me it is an option, and those who have taken the option have in his experience, the greatest results. I am also going for 7cm stryde tibia next January. Just wanted to know if there was any mention of that at all by Paley.
Also, in your previous posts regarding using a slant board for your stretching, is this in your opinion the very best way to stretch? I have a month and a half till my operation and I'm thinking about utilizing your method. Thanks for the great diary thusfar and best of luck to you!
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Glad you're doing well, and I hope you make it to 7cm!
Also, in your previous posts regarding using a slant board for your stretching, is this in your opinion the very best way to stretch? I have a month and a half till my operation and I'm thinking about utilizing your method. Thanks for the great diary thusfar and best of luck to you!
Wow that’s cool i’m gonna ask about that i’ve never heard about that
Yes the slant board is the best stretch. Id recommend doing 3 minutes each leg for 3 rounds. Id say do that like once or twice/day
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UPDATE:
So because I am doing 0.75mm on odd days & 0.5mm even days, in a month thats 18.75mm
I’ll be hitting 4.1cm at the end of this month
If they let me keep going, by the end of January I will be right at 8CM
The time is coming guys its starting to get REAL!!! I will stretch as much as I can so they let me keep going but chances are Jan31st is the end of my lengthening journey
HERE WE GOOO
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Greatest comeback in LL history! 8 CM let's get it!
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How many hours/day did you stretch during your femur lengthening? Would you recommend stretches before the femur surgery? If yes, then what kind of stretches?
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MyEvolution, glad to know that you are doing well with tibias lengthening, great comeback! I hope you can reach your goal of 7~8cm.
Would it be safe to say that it would require a least 2x stretching exercise for tibia than femur? Also, would you recommend that doing tibia lengthening first for those want to do both femurs and tibias?
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Good luck dude. Can’t imagine going thru this process twice. You’re an animal in every sense haha hope you maximize your opportunity!
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To go from a starting height of 5'5"/5'6" to nearly 6 foot tall is extraordinary. Give this man a medal! Good luck, bro. No matter what happens. You should be inducted into the CLL Hall of Fame.
Someone needs to start a CLL Hall of Fame...lol. I certainly have a few people I would nominate.
All the best,
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How many hours/day did you stretch during your femur lengthening? Would you recommend stretches before the femur surgery? If yes, then what kind of stretches?
When I did femurs I only had to do my stretching routine 4x/day compared to roughly 10x/day rn
Not sure if that’s 2x but it feels like a lot more because i’m stretching every hour
My femur stretching routine was
Thomas stretch, 45 second each leg 2 rounds
Rope hamstring stretch to the sky 45 seconds 2 rounds
Knee pushdowns 20 reps each leg on the floor
Single leg toe touches, 45 sec each leg 2 rounds
Did this routine 4x / day (everytime i use the ERC machine)
Deciding what to do first femurs or tibias really depends on your preferences for pros and cons
Femur surgery pros
- 8cm pretty much guaranteed
- less stretching required less maintenence
- scars are higher easier to hide
- most people after achieving 8cm realize they are happy and dont need to do part2
Cons
- your walking gait is affected a lot more because you lose your glutes
- way more inflammation pains, nerve pains muscle pains becuse more muscles
- PT actually sucks - that IT band BURNS with a pain of 10/10 each time
- more strength lost due to major muscles affected
- takes roughly 4 weeks for your hips and sides to not be inflammed to the touch which means u can FINALLY sleep on your sides
Tibias
Pros
- less overall pain due to less muscles (dont b fooled tho still lots of pain)
- less inflamation
- because glutes are not effected, walking gait is much better. I walk a lot better than all the femur patients eventho they did their surgery 3 weeks before me
- hips unaffected so easier to move your body around on the bed
Cons
- Must wear Splints which is annoying AF especially at night makes sleeping way harder
- way more maintenence. You can’t just stretch 4x/day and expect to hit 8cm it’s just not gonna happen. Requires a lot more work ethic. I almost got stopped at 3cm
- hitting over 5cm is not gaurunteed even with high work ethic. I’m only at 3.5cm right now so i can’t confirm anything till I hit it
- scars are hideous and show alot more than femurs
So you gotta choose for yourself what you’d rather deal with. They both suck, which suckness can you handle more. More pain/highly effected walking/major loss of strength but gaurunteed 8cm gain? Or less pain, better walk, high work ethic but 8cm is not garunteed
Your call
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Tibia also has two bones and usually consolidate slower.
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You Femur vs Tibia comparison is so far the best here!
i cant even pick tibia for various reasons, so only option for me is femurs to also avoid knee pain which i naturally suffer from, so im trying to avoid anything that would affect knees. or ligaments around it.
Is being non muscular in femur leak very weak muscles, does that make process harder or easier in terms of pain wise?
Also did you do IT Band release ? - how is it and can i go thru this without having to do such thing?
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You Femur vs Tibia comparison is so far the best here!
i cant even pick tibia for various reasons, so only option for me is femurs to also avoid knee pain which i naturally suffer from, so im trying to avoid anything that would affect knees. or ligaments around it.
Is being non muscular in femur leak very weak muscles, does that make process harder or easier in terms of pain wise?
Also did you do IT Band release ? - how is it and can i go thru this without having to do such thing?
Paley mentioned in his conference video that even a gymnast got duck ass with 8cm femur without IT band release. So it’s not avoidable to have IT bands release. Some people need more than IT bands, they charge extra for bicep tendon release
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hi MyEvolution, that is quite a bit of write-out! really appreciate your sharing of your experience. It is really insightful!
Both lengthening are not easy. Reaching 8cm in femurs seems a guarantee for lot of people, but reaching 5+cm in tibias seem much harder. Would you think it would have a better chance to reach 6+cm in tibias if doing tibias first? Not sure what is Dr. Paley's take on this...
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Paley mentioned in his conference video that even a gymnast got duck ass with 8cm femur without IT band release. So it’s not avoidable to have IT bands release. Some people need more than IT bands, they charge extra for bicep tendon release
thats very discouraging because having to cut all that would definitely affect walking and joints.
these things are what discourage me from the surgery.
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To go from a starting height of 5'5"/5'6" to nearly 6 foot tall is extraordinary. Give this man a medal! Good luck, bro. No matter what happens. You should be inducted into the CLL Hall of Fame.
Someone needs to start a CLL Hall of Fame...lol. I certainly have a few people I would nominate.
All the best,
Hahah thank you that’s honourable but dont give me that glory just yet. Only at 3.67cm so far still got 4 ish cm to go!!
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Alright so to keep myself motivated with this rediculous stretching routine i’ve created mini milestones for myself
Dec 14th: 50.385mm
Dec 30th: 60.333mm
Jan 15th: 70.683mm
Jan 31st: 80mm
These next weeks are gonna be crazy here we go
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Alright guys it’s time for a meaningful update
Length:
- 4cm as of tomorrow
Pain
- it’s been a week since i’ve had this rediculous pain on my right leg. It feels like shin splints hurts everytime I walk or try to straighten my knee idk why i hope it goes away soon. Probably one of those lengthening pains that’ll fade soon
Splints
- i been wearing them during the day no problem. At night I still havnt been able to wear them for a full 8 hours. I wake up at night and my legs are throbbing and numb so i take them off, fall asleep. Wakeup randomally in a couple hours put them back on, fall asleep and repeat cycle
Dorsiflexion
- yesterday i was measured 20 degrees left leg, 25 degrees right leg
- today by a different pt guy & a different test, 20 degrees both legs
- you are required to maintain 5-15 degrees to be allowed to keep lengthening. I am in fact, FINALLY ahead of the game. I can’t believe i went from merely getting 8 degrees and 10 degrees almost being stopped to now 20 friggen degrees. Discipline & consistency truly pays off
Changes
- i’ve discovered a hack for getting that deeper stretch
- if possible have two bars one on each side (kinda like how stairs have bars when u go up)
And in the middle put your sland board paralell
That way when u stand on the slant board u have the two bars on each side for support
Not only that but u can slowly pull yourself down so that you are flat on the slant board while remaining upright and not cheating. It’s amazing. Ive only been able to do this at PT so far, trying to set it up at home but i’m sure i’ll figure it out
Projections
- I strongly believe at this pace I will easily hit 6cm & WILL march towards 8cm SAFETLY as I am nowhere near ballerina
Happy thanksgiving guys. I have a walking video if you guys want me to upload it lmk
Cheers
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Happy holidays, you're at the midway point!
I would be interested in seeing your scars. Are they hidden well beneath your hair? Just hope they won't be visible after some time.
Also have you talked to Paley about his opinion regarding that nail in the foot to prevent ballerina? Doesn't seem as if you need it now though.
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Happy thanks giving broski, let's see how you're looking ;D post the vid I'm interested
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Happy Thanksgiving!
Thanks for the update! Truly amazing progress. I have tried do some stretching for merely a 10 minutes today, already sweating like hell. I cannot image what it will look like for me to continuously stretch all day long. Looking forward to your walking video...
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Happy Thanksgiving! Congrats on the success so far. Sometimes hacks do indeed pay off lol.
Definitely interested in the video and also curious about the scars on the tibias. I’m planning on 3/3 here in 2020 and I wear shorts almost everyday so a bit worried about the scars...
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ITS DECEMBER!! This is the month of truth
Either stey stop me in 2 weeks at 5cm
They stop me at the end of this month at 6cm
OR THEY LET ME KEEP GOING PAST 6
EXCITING TIMES AHEAD FELLAS
HERE
WE
GO
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MyEvo you are doing terrific now
You’ll make it ;)
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Holy F guys i can see why ppl quit at this point. I dont think it’s to do with physical limits, this is mentally draining. Everyday is a battle to keep going. Im at 4.6cm rn & I keep watching my friend’s social medias like i jus wanna go out get drunk nd be normal again instead I look down at my feet and im wearing splints. This is sorta like a prison & this is why ppl quit. I will keep pushing as long as I possibly can. We came here for 8cm guys i still got roughly a month & 3 weeks till i achieve that. It is possible i think, but only 1% will make it that far because of how mentally draining this is
Ughhhhhhhhhh
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Let’s go dude, you got this 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
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Let’s go dude, you got this 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Haha thank yous sir! After taking an oxy my depression went away 🤣🤣
4.8cm rn 5cm in 3 days LETS GOOOO
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Beast mode man lol
Cant wait to see you cross the finish like.
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alright lads it's time for an update
https://imgur.com/4GJVk7j
https://imgur.com/PzIRgJx
WE ARE AT THE 5CM MARK AND.. THEY CLEARED ME TO KEEP GOING
my next dr visit is on the 23rd, i'll be roughly around 5.6cm
5cm CLEARED, next up 6cm dec30th!!
Pain
since 3.4cm i had this really weird shin pain on my right leg that was hurting a lot. this pain is now finally gone but i would not be suprised if it came back for round two at some point
cant believe i was able to turn things around when the dr litterally looked at me dead in the face when i was at 3cm and told me
"you have a 0% chance of hitting 6cm if you're this tight rn"
This truly is in your hands. Stretching every hour has me ahead of the game. MY pt said if I stay like this with my routine, I will probably hit 8cm, ballerina free and no loss of function
LETS
GOOOOOOOOOOO
see you guys in two weeks
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Today’s tally is for both legs right? 1.5mm = 0.75mm each leg?
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Yes!! On odd days I do 0.75, even days i do 0.5 (1mm/2)
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5 CM baby lets gooooooo!
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congrats bro!! btw, what was your living situation like this year. Did your friend stay with you again, did you end up getting another LL patient to room with you
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Alright guys so i just bought the exact same slant board they have at PT & every hour I stretch on the highest level (35 degrees)
At this point i can pretty gauruntee i will be hitting 8cm tibias ballerina free. Something everyone on this board previously thought to be impossible or dangerous. We are raising the bar ladies and gents.
Here
We
Go
https://imgur.com/Jx0EswJ
“I love it, when people say that no one has ever done it before because when I do it, that means i’m the first that’s ever done it. So pay no attention to the people that say it can’t be done. I always tell myself, yes you can!”
- Arnold schwazeneggar
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do you still wear the splints by the way?
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at night i mean.
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Update: I can now say I am officially off the cane training
From the moment i wake up until i am just too weak, i walk with no cane. I hold the cane in my hand in case i need it. I think in 2 weeks max i’ll be completely off the cane. Yesterday I walked all day without using my cane
Surgery was 09/24
So just under 3 months
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do you still wear the splints by the way?
I wear them during the day in between every hour stretch. This is easy cause im not trying to sleep
At night honestly.. i put them on, wakeup feet numb take them off, fall asleep, wakeup with them not on, put them on, fall asleep, repeat cycle
Ive been able to make it this far without never having once wore them for an entire night. I dont think its as important with stryde
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you are the man! can't even image how you deal with the pain with splints
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you are the man! can't even image how you deal with the pain with splints
Trust me there isnt much pain anymore, almost none. LL is a mental game. Now its just willpower
Adversity introduces a man to himself
When the doctor looked at me dead in the eyes and told me “you have a 0% chance of hitting 6cm” what would most people do? They’d justify not stretching as much by saying “well.. the doctor said its not possible so why try”
Instead, i doubled down on stretching and said
“I will NOT accept anything anything less than 6cm”
We dont get in life what we want, we get what we HAVE to have
now the doctor is letting me go past 6cm
These are the ways of the universe; let the universe bend to your will
Your will
Will power
That’s all it is. Will power
This is the game, it’s all a mental game
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Hi MyEvolution,
Congrats in your two LL. It's great to read someone doing tibias with Stryde.
I have some questions if you'd mind to answer:
1) Which diameter of Stryde you have on your tibias (10mm, 11mm, 13mm?)
2) Can you walk without crutches during lengthening? or just with crutches?
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Hi MyEvolution,
Congrats in your two LL. It's great to read someone doing tibias with Stryde.
I have some questions if you'd mind to answer:
1) Which diameter of Stryde you have on your tibias (10mm, 11mm, 13mm?)
2) Can you walk without crutches during lengthening? or just with crutches?
Post surgery progress:
1st week: wheelchair / walker
2nd/3rd week: crutches
4th/5th week - 3 months out - Cane
+3months - no cane
Rn im walking with no cane everyday. I hold it in my hand in case but im slowly getting back to normal and im still lengthening. Hitting 5.4cm today and no plans on stopping anytime soon
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congrats bro. can believe you get rid of walker in the second week? was it lots of pain using crutches?
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Post surgery progress:
1st week: wheelchair / walker
2nd/3rd week: crutches
4th/5th week - 3 months out - Cane
+3months - no cane
That's pretty impressive. Awesome! :)
I had consultation with both Mahboubian and Betz last month about tibia (I did femurs years ago with Betz) but your case seems to confirm that we can walk without crutches faster with Stryde than with Betzbone.
Do you know which Stryde nail size you have?
I'd have to use the 10mm in my tibias according to Dr. Mahboubian, so I'm worried I won't be able to walk without crutches as soons as the other patients.
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congrats bro. can believe you get rid of walker in the second week? was it lots of pain using crutches?
Depends on everyone
I think this yr it took me 3 weeks to b on crutches i took it very slow
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That's pretty impressive. Awesome! :)
I had consultation with both Mahboubian and Betz last month about tibia (I did femurs years ago with Betz) but your case seems to confirm that we can walk without crutches faster with Stryde than with Betzbone.
Do you know which Stryde nail size you have?
I'd have to use the 10mm in my tibias according to Dr. Mahboubian, so I'm worried I won't be able to walk without crutches as soons as the other patients.
Hey man, you say you have done femurs years ago...can I ask you a few questions?
How many years back did u have the surgery?
Are you back to normal , Like "nothing ever happened" kinda state?
Do you play sports ?
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Hi... MyEvolution..It's great your doing well. Can you please tell me where you got that stretching board and is the board helping?
Panda ...
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Hi... MyEvolution..It's great your doing well. Can you please tell me where you got that stretching board and is the board helping?
Panda ...
Update: Just passed 5.5Cm guys tomorrow i have a doctors appt to see if i can go to 6.5cm wish me luck
here is the promised walking video, this was recorded november 14th aprox 2 months post op
https://youtu.be/B8oTB6Zs4Ro
also this is THE best slant board hands down
if you can stretch on the highest level without cheating you can go to 8cm in tibias
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006LN5NHU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
lets goo baby
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Wow your walk looks incredible, and you also look really tall.
How tall are you currently barefoot?
I know you mentioned Femurs being harder, do you still feel that way?
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Amazing how how hard work makes the difference.
Evolution, I solute you.
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Wow your walk looks incredible, and you also look really tall.
How tall are you currently barefoot?
I’m roughly 5’9 & a half/ 5’10 ish
2.5cm to go should be finishing at around 5’11
I know you mentioned Femurs being harder, do you still feel that way?
Femurs hurt more in general, more pain involved, but less maintenence required to hit 8cm simply stretch 4x/day
Most femur patients sadly barely even stretch once, no lie
Tibias way less pain, harder work ethic, must stretch every hour to go past 5cm
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Amazing how how hard work makes the difference.
Evolution, I solute you.
Thank you good sir
If anyone here wants to hit 8cm in femurs trust me u dont need no secret sauce. Just stretch 4x/day
I swear ive met patients who sometimes go three days never stretching, stretch once a day, no real stretching routine throughout the whole journey its crazy
If u establish a stretching routine week1 and stick to it ull easily hit 8
Sadly no one does
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Hi MyEvolution,
Thank you for posting that video.
Can you post next(or previous) set of standing xray you get from Paley's Institute?
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MyEvo
Look 👍 great
I like your long straight legs, now even longer ;)
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Hi MyEvolution,
I believe this is my first time writing in your diary so I wanted to first and foremost congratulate you on your achievement so far.
I absolutely agree that keeping to a stretching routine will allow one to hit 8cm. I personally stretched 4x a day every 3 hrs. Sometimes even 5x. It really is all in the willpower.
I am strongly considering getting tibs done too, height is really an addicting thing man! In this vain couple of questions for you, have you had nerve pain during your femur surgery that you now also have with tibias? If so, how bad is it and how are you managing?
On your video your arms look very long, so I was wondering whether you ever had them measured and if so, what is the length? You look very well proportioned even with so much height gained already so given that you started at around 5'4 I'm assuming your arms were freakishly long before you started femurs. I was just curious on the proportions I guess. That's all from me, thanks for your reply in advance and good luck with the remainder of this ride, I am confident you will reach your goals because you have enough willpower to get you through. Cheers man
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Hi MyEvolution,
I believe this is my first time writing in your diary so I wanted to first and foremost congratulate you on your achievement so far.
I absolutely agree that keeping to a stretching routine will allow one to hit 8cm. I personally stretched 4x a day every 3 hrs. Sometimes even 5x. It really is all in the willpower.
I am strongly considering getting tibs done too, height is really an addicting thing man! In this vain couple of questions for you, have you had nerve pain during your femur surgery that you now also have with tibias? If so, how bad is it and how are you managing?
On your video your arms look very long, so I was wondering whether you ever had them measured and if so, what is the length? You look very well proportioned even with so much height gained already so given that you started at around 5'4 I'm assuming your arms were freakishly long before you started femurs. I was just curious on the proportions I guess. That's all from me, thanks for your reply in advance and good luck with the remainder of this ride, I am confident you will reach your goals because you have enough willpower to get you through. Cheers man
1. Thank you so much :) congrats on hitting 8cm as well
2. Ok so when i did femurs i had lots of nerve pain and a lot of pain in general
I am happy to say with tibias there has been 0 nerve pain and a lot less pain in general
During 3.4cm-4.8cm i had strong shin pain on my right leg but that’s gone now, still no nerve oain and now im at 5.6cm virtually pain free
3. Yea I had a very long reach before!! My arms went all the way down almost to my knees, very large torso
(Go to page2-4 somewhere to see me walking at orginal height)
Dude its all just work. If u have the will power u can go to 8cm in tibias as well
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Update:
I just saw the doctor and have been cleared to go to 6.5cm which is my next dr.appt jan6th
DREAMS R POSSIBLE BABY
but dreams dont work unless you do
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congrats bro! could you inform us what specific physical therapies you do at paley institute or at home to achieve your flexibility?
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Congrats on your success. I met with Dr. Paley and Dr. Robbins for consultation couple of weeks ago and will be doing surgery on Femurs after the holidays. If you you could please send me daily stretches to do for pre surgery to help maximize my odds.
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Congrats! So happy for you. You look awesomely tall in your new video, and the proportion looks great too. Like what Tiggy has observed, your arms look very long. Did you ever measure your wingspan? I am guessing your wingspan is in the neighborhood of 6'.
Again, thanks for the wonderful sharing!
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Femurs hurt more in general, more pain involved, but less maintenence required to hit 8cm simply stretch 4x/day
Most femur patients sadly barely even stretch once, no lie
Tibias way less pain, harder work ethic, must stretch every hour to go past 5cm
Having now gone back to do tibias after femurs (both w/ Paley), I do agree that the tibias seem less painful and easier to deal with initially -- there's a much wider "muscle shutdown" after the femur insertion, and most of my respective pain levels seemed to be 2 less than the first time (on a scale of 0-10). However, I told this to a few folks at St. Mary's and they said it could just be that the second time may be easier since you know what to expect.
Congrats on your success. I met with Dr. Paley and Dr. Robbins for consultation couple of weeks ago and will be doing surgery on Femurs after the holidays. If you you could please send me daily stretches to do for pre surgery to help maximize my odds.
With the femur stretches, I found other people could stretch me better than I could stretch myself (obviously YMMV). If you want some help stretching and can spare some extra cash, you could consider going to Massage Envy and getting some 30-minute stretch sessions and just ask them to focus on your legs. Some of the leg stretches they do are the same as what you'll do in PT, no joke.
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Congrats on your success. I met with Dr. Paley and Dr. Robbins for consultation couple of weeks ago and will be doing surgery on Femurs after the holidays. If you you could please send me daily stretches to do for pre surgery to help maximize my odds.
Thomas stretch
toe touches
hamstring rope stretch
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Update: JUST HIT 6CM!!
This would have marked the end of my journey as my original goal when I first started my journey was 8+6
but after learning that it is possible to do 8+8 IF you have the work ethic to back it up, WE SHALL KEEP GOING
https://imgur.com/mQhtCwe
NEXT UP 7CM BABY, JAN15TH
LETS
FRIGGEN
GOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Also i’ve been cane free since last Monday. I can now say that I have confidently transitioned into no cane
I went out last night with some girl I dm’ed on IG, no cane met all her friends no one said anything
Bye bye cane it was nice
Interesting that i’m off the cane but still lengthening!
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congrats bro! can you informing me what kind of stretches you do for tibias every hour? i am thinking doing it with paley. will have my consultation in a month
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Yea just the slant board stretch, on the highest angle
3 minutes each leg, 3 rounds
Turn 1 hour alarm clock on
Repeat in an hour
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Do you know your sitting height @MyEvolution ?
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Do you know your sitting height @MyEvolution ?
Not sure!!
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Hey MyEvolution,
How do you handle placing and operating the ERC device yourself, or do you?
On the tibias, it's far enough down that I can't easily check the placement of it versus the marks on my legs.
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Not sure!!
Okay so you know but aren't sure? Post them anyway.
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Myevolution: Man, you're a legend in the world of CLL. I'm insanely motivated seeing your willpower. Can't believe once can lengthen 6 inch and still look so well proportioned. Like you I also a long torso not sure about arms though.
I have a stupid question, can we do 9cm on femurs with stryde? I know that nail can only lengthen 8cm but there was this guy on quora who said he lengthened 8.5 to 9cm.
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Okay so you know but aren't sure? Post them anyway.
Not sure as in i dont know! I never really cared, only matters how tall you are when u stand tbh
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Hey MyEvolution,
How do you handle placing and operating the ERC device yourself, or do you?
On the tibias, it's far enough down that I can't easily check the placement of it versus the marks on my legs.
Yea so i use my camera on my phone to help
Turn the camera with the light on
Start filming a video
Then lighn it up
I use snapchat video so it auto deletes
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Myevolution: Man, you're a legend in the world of CLL. I'm insanely motivated seeing your willpower. Can't believe once can lengthen 6 inch and still look so well proportioned. Like you I also a long torso not sure about arms though.
I have a stupid question, can we do 9cm on femurs with stryde? I know that nail can only lengthen 8cm but there was this guy on quora who said he lengthened 8.5 to 9cm.
Maybe he went to betz; the stryde nail maxes out at 8cm otherwise i woulda tried going to 9 tbh
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Myevolution: Man, you're a legend in the world of CLL. I'm insanely motivated seeing your willpower. Can't believe once can lengthen 6 inch and still look so well proportioned. Like you I also a long torso not sure about arms though.
Honestly one of my biggest motivators is to prove for all of us that it CAN be done so that anyone that comes after me knows in their heart that it’s already been done before & if I can do it so can you. Up until now i havnt found a single diary of anyone who has safetly done 8+8
Everyone on here keeps saying its not possible
That you’ll lose function
That if you do more than 5cm in tibias its too risky
Its not risky if you stretch like you are supposed to
It is possible
I just want to be that proof to the up coming me who wants to do 8+8 but is worried that it is not physically possible
I am on track to hit 8cm in tibias ballerina and complication free
Rest assured
Things seem impossible until someone does it
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any x ray pictures?
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any x ray pictures?
Yes, waiting to get to at least 7cm before taking xrays, i’ll b hitting 7cm in 10 days
Once i hit 8 i’ll also b posting a walking/standing video to show you guys no ballerina
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Happy to hear that your LL experience is going well. So the key to not getting caught up in issues basically is to make sure you stretch often and not slack. I'm 5'7.5" and want to do femurs with Paley in about 2 years to take me to 5'10.5" at least then no one can call me short and I won't be turned down dating wise for my height. I've been told I'm good looking so even though I won't be considered "tall" I should be able to get away with that height and live a more fulfilling life.
Basically I gotta put away 90k for femurs with Paley correct? I would love to do tibias as well but I'm already gonna have trouble putting away 90k in the next 2 years including living expenses for 1+ years while I recover. My job is physical so I'll be out of work the whole year I'm recovering so no income. Gotta put money aside for that.
When I'm done lengthening basically I go back home right? Any x-rays I can get done at home and send to Paley? Would I ever have to fly back to Florida to see Paley personally for check ups at all after my lengthening?
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Basically I gotta put away 90k for femurs with Paley correct? I would love to do tibias as well but I'm already gonna have trouble putting away 90k in the next 2 years including living expenses for 1+ years while I recover. My job is physical so I'll be out of work the whole year I'm recovering so no income. Gotta put money aside for that.
The price may change in two years, but that 90k does not inlclude living expenses. Also, I don't know what kind of job you have, but you might be able to go back before 1 year.
I don't recommend doing tibias at the same time -- if the femurs don't give you enough, go back for tibias later. It's easier on the body and you'll get more length that way.
When I'm done lengthening basically I go back home right? Any x-rays I can get done at home and send to Paley? Would I ever have to fly back to Florida to see Paley personally for check ups at all after my lengthening?
You can return home after lengthening, yes.
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I agree with former
If you do both femurs + tibs same time max you can gain is 10cm
Femurs alone if you stretch you gain 8cm
2cm is not justified
Furthermore if you wait a year and have good work ethic you can do 5-8cm
For a total of 13-16cm
But yes it all comes down to work ethic and staying on top of your goals
The truth is MOST femur patients dont even stretch once a day, sometimes go a week without stretching its a shame that most of them fail because they didnt work hard enough
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It makes me feel better to hear that as long as I do my stretching all should go well. I have a very physicsl job in construction. Hoping to be able to go back a year after surgery, need my strength and normal walk back if I want to get back to my job. Hopefully I can if I keep on top of my nutrition and stretching.
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Alright guys so since i’ve been super transparent with you guys this whole journey i gotta let u guys know how this meeting went; terrible
Apparently my right leg has NOT been lengthening in a month. There’s too much bone in my right leg it has stopped at 4.5cm while my left leg is at 6.5cm
This is crazy rediculous cant believe two weeks ago they didnt notice. I didnt have robbins 2 weeks ago i had some new dr shannon i’ve very devestated right now thinking i was ready to leave her in 3 weeks, this is a big punch in the face because not only do i have to wait now for my right leg to catch up, my left leg will NOT be at 8cm on the 30th anymore cause i gotta wait
Idk whats the next move. Robbins says hes gonna email paley, he said either I shorten my left (YA RIGHT) or re break my right (sadly probably gonna have to do that :(
Ughhhhhhh i feel so bad rn :( looks like the road ahead just got a lot longer. This is really testing me in ways i didnt want to be tested right now
FML
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This is so unfortunate to hear. We all have been inspired by your drive to do what others thought wasn't possible by being consistent and putting in effort. I know you got this. We are all here for you!
Keep fighting!
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Unbelievable man. So sorry to hear this. You've inspired us all and if there's anyone who can fight through this obstacle it's you.
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So Sorry to hear this, man. You'll power through this.
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Guys idk what to do i need help
My options are to keep my left leg at 6.5 right at 4.5 difference of 2cm and just enjoy life. Will a 2cm discrepency lead to problems? I am doing research but can’t find anything conclusive
My other option is to shorten my left so that it’s 4.5cm but there’s no way i’d ever consider that situation i simply can’t handle that
Any advice is appreciated
Im sorry I couldn’t make it to 8
I really gave this everything i possibly could
This is all I could do
Lowkey im gonna lengthen my left till its 7cm so difference will be 2.5cm and either come re break in a year or just accept 2.5cm and move on w life
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Hi MyEvolution,
First off, I would like to say you have been an absolute inspiration to the broader LL community, as we have followed your journey since 2018 as the 1st documented world-wide patient diary with STRYDE. Thank you for being honest and transparent in your journey with us.
Although your setback is unfortunate, I do see a silver lining. Even had you not experienced pre-mature consolidation in the right tibia, you still needed 2 additional surgeries before you fully recovered, one in ~6 months to remove rods from your femurs, and another in ~1-1.5 years to remove rods from your tibias.
It shouldn’t be as significant a setback if you re-break your right tibia at the same time you remove your femur rods in under a year. Since you only need to distract 2-2.5cm on your right tibia, the procedure should take ~1 month and it would be quite realistic to distract at home like bgreeneee’s dairy in late 2019. It would be far easier than your last two procedures, and you are the best prepared of anyone on this forum (and likely the world) to do it. You could then just remove the rods on both your tibias around the same time. As you already exhibited above-average bone growth due to pre-consolidation, you shouldn’t have to wait the full year to remove rods on both tibias.
I might have missed something, but if the above scenario is indeed possible, you shouldn’t need any additional surgeries relative to the 2 you would have required for the rod removal.
Hope my thinking helps, and PM me if you have any questions on my line of thinking. Thanks again for your pioneering diaries for both Styde Femurs and Tibias.
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Hi i am very sorry to hear that this happened!
The option that Stryde4success mentioned sounds like a very good one.
I read that you also considered Dr. Betz but in the end decided against. With the mechanical clicking of his nail it is much more unlikely for something like this to happen. Also his nail is weightbearing since a long time. So I do not understand why Stryde is so much hyped here and Dr. Betz nail is seen as crap.
Anyway wish you the best of luck of course! And thank you for sharing your story with us.
Probably the best way to go is as Stryde4success mentioned...
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Were you not monitoring your own xrays? I dont see how you didnt notice.
This is why i stressed so much on my diary about not relying so much on your doctors but to always watch and measure your own xrays, doctors arent perfect nomatter how good you think they are.
Anyways, i strongly suggest you to rebreak and keep lengthening or back the long one back. Either way DONT stay with a 2.5cm discrepancy, thats totally ridiculous! You broke your perfect legs to end up with a deformity? Could you really live with that? I doubt it! Even them out man. In my opinion i would just shorten the long one. Stop being greedy.
Its up to you honestly, wish you the best man.
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You may be able to use insurance for the fix! I figure because of the difference you may stand with your weight more on the shorter leg, might lead to something with your hips or back.
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You would have to wear a small 1 inch lift in one of your shoes. I don't think it is the end of the world, ask your doctor on this one. Either way you look great man, stay positive. Let us know what Paley recommends, maybe the best LL doctor in the world will figure something out here. Keep going strong.
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Although it sucks i think im gonna re break next year even them out
Maybe re break the left too get 8 on both but i mean we will see
I guess for now my journey here is done
I’ll b posting a walking video soon
Thank you for all your support means everything
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This is sad to hear MyEvolution. Especially knowing of how motivated and optimistic in reaching your goal you were and something like this happens.
It's quite bad that after spending $100k on what is supposed to be the "best" place to get LL, an issue like this goes unnoticed. First of all, I would hope that Paley can "predict" a preconsolidation BEFORE it happens. But in this case, they didn't "detect" it one month AFTER it happened. That's quite poor on them.
And are you using the old ERC or the new ERC? One member "Ascending" also had preconsolidation and he said the new ERC can detect inability to engage the nail but old ERC is stupid and cannot do so. It would again be very poor on Nuvasive and Paley institute if they gave you an old ERC to save cost.
I think it's a good idea for LL patients to share x-rays every 2 weeks with the forum so that they hear opinions from others. There have been so many cases on lengthening failure and deformities that it would help to have more eyes on them. There will be some freaking out about non-issues also because none of us are experts, but I think it's still preferable to issues going unnoticed. Just my opinion. Obviously one needs to remove his or her name from the x-ray.
I think you should definitely even out your legs man! 2 and + cm discrepancy needs to be solved. Whatever you decide, be positive mate!
Good luck !
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keep it up bro. i believe in you and your persistence. One question: how much calcium do you take everyday? 2000 mg?
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i think you have done a lot and helped lots of people on this forum and we will support you regardless of what
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Hi MyEvolution,
I would suggest you re-break and equalize. Leg length discrepancies can create hip problems later in life. I am not sure if that applies at 2cm but I think it is better if you equalize in any case. As per my advice earlier - I think everyone doing LL should watch their xrays like a hawk and measure the distraction from the xrays themselves and don't rely too much on the ERC to tell you how much you have distracted. However, this does require Xrays are done in a very consistent manner so that the results are comparable. Ideally you should also use a template ball - typically a metal ball of known exact diameter (usually 25mm) that is positioned near your leg so that you can calibrate your measurements - see https://blog.peekmed.com/x-ray-calibration/ (https://blog.peekmed.com/x-ray-calibration/).
You are in good hands and I am sure everything will be resolved well. Good luck!
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Guys idk what to do i need help
My options are to keep my left leg at 6.5 right at 4.5 difference of 2cm and just enjoy life. Will a 2cm discrepency lead to problems? I am doing research but can’t find anything conclusive
My other option is to shorten my left so that it’s 4.5cm but there’s no way i’d ever consider that situation i simply can’t handle that
Any advice is appreciated
Im sorry I couldn’t make it to 8
I really gave this everything i possibly could
This is all I could do
Lowkey im gonna lengthen my left till its 7cm so difference will be 2.5cm and either come re break in a year or just accept 2.5cm and move on w life
Hey LL legend,
Don't worry man, it's gonna be all good in the end...my opinion is you either shorten or stop at 7, don't go for 8...this strydeforsuccess guy has got a pretty good suggestion...also afterall it's Dr. Paley! You and him will figure something out I am sure....don't feel low, we all r with you....Just don't stop posting yet....
Power to you!
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Hey man,
Sorry to hear of this setback. The way I see it is you have 2 decent options here. One is to rebreak and equalize or given that the diacrepancy is 2cm right now, another option would be to lower the left by 1 cm and keep things as is without re breaking. I doubt the 1 cm discrepancy by itself will be noticeable. However you got 2cm right now, which is almost an inch and living with that kind of discrepancy would be more challenging. You can reassess in 6 months or so to see whether living with 1 cm discrepancy is significant at which time you can rebreak. Whatever you decide try not to fret, setbacks happen with this surgery but you got the strength to resolve it in due course. Once you speak to Paley about what he recommends please keep us posted here. I rarely comment on your diary entries but I am an avid reader, like so many others. Chin up man and congrats on an incredible progress thus far. You have gained over 2 inches and that is truly worthy of a celebration!
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Hey man, sorry to hear about that.
Since this is just discovered, is there a possibility your right tibia has not fully consolidated yet, so you don't have to break it again, and continue lengthening?
I was reading VerticalPush's femur lengthening diary, and he run into similar situation at the end of lengthening journey, one leg is about 1cm shorter (possibly due to some machine issue). Fortunately for him, the bone was not fully consolidated, he is able to continue lengthening the shorter femur to fill the 1cm gap.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=64009.124
From what I have read so far, tibia bone consolidation tends to be slower than femur, your right tibia might not be fully consolidated yet even after a month. If this is the case, I think Dr. Paley can come up with a plan to test it out.
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Update: a grim of hope
After going back nd forth, Paley himself said he will be testing my motion on monday. If i pass I can keep my 6.5cm for now nd discuss re break options
If i can at least keep my 6.5 ill be happy thats not too far from 8 so ill at least be able to enjoy my new height till the re break
I guess we’ll see what happens monday! In the meantime ill b stretching
Pray for me
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good luck bro. how much calcium did you take every day i wonder? 2000 mg?
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good luck bro. how much calcium did you take every day i wonder? 2000 mg?
None!
Sometimes vitamin d
Sometimes omega 3 but thats it
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Update: a grim of hope
After going back nd forth, Paley himself said he will be testing my motion on monday. If i pass I can keep my 6.5cm for now nd discuss re break options
If i can at least keep my 6.5 ill be happy thats not too far from 8 so ill at least be able to enjoy my new height till the re break
I guess we’ll see what happens monday! In the meantime ill b stretching
Pray for me
Rooting for you bro! You are a stretch machine I'm sure you'll push through and succeed with the motion test. Keep pushing!
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None!
Sometimes vitamin d
Sometimes omega 3 but thats it
Generally, I think Paley recommends Vitamin D3 to a lot of patients.
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Rooting for you bro! You are a stretch machine I'm sure you'll push through and succeed with the motion test. Keep pushing!
Thanks bro means a lot
At this point im hoping for dr paley to agree to re break my right as early as next week
That way i can take a small 3 week break on my left let it loosen up,
Right can catch up
At this point my right is completely back to normal lol that 1 month break made my dorsiflextion amazing on my riight like fully recovered so i can no doubt push for another 3.5cm to 8
And another 1.5cm on my left
And hit 8 around march
And go HOME
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What is the cost of rebreaking both sides?
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What is the cost of rebreaking both sides?
I’m not sure honestly i’ll know on monday but
As of now only one leg requires re breaking
It would take my right 26 days to catch up
In that time i’d be still lengtining my left for another 1.5cm - 3 weeks
Hopefully by then they’ll be like oh ur left is at 8 might as well keep going
Thank you for all your supporting messages guys if they let me re break WE R GOING TO 8 BABYYYYY
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Can you show a proportions pic? Like without BAGGY clothes. Maybe just in underwear and no shirt like how i took my proportions pic just to give people a good idea on what to expect. Im really curious as to how 8cm femur and 8cm tibias looks like.
Hopefully you can rebreak and keep going man!
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Thank you MyEvolution. If you can, please also politely ask the doctor whether preconsolidation could have been noticed earlier through x-rays. I think Dr. Paley is a no-nonsense guy and would straight up admit it if there was any oversight on their side.
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Can you show a proportions pic? Like without BAGGY clothes. Maybe just in underwear and no shirt like how i took my proportions pic just to give people a good idea on what to expect. Im really curious as to how 8cm femur and 8cm tibias looks like.
Hopefully you can rebreak and keep going man!
Ya no problem!! My proportions look great imo ill do it at some point
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Turning point UPDATE - Re breaking surgery scheduled jan21/2020
The Facts
After an assessment by Thy Paley himself
The following notes were made:
- left leg is at 6.5cm & is relatively tight.
- after a week of not lengthening the left foot has loosened up
- right side is at 4.5cm but is incedibally loose so lengtheing another 2-3cm is expected to be well tolerated
Plan of attack:
I’ll be lengthening my left leg at a rate of 2x/day while stretching every hour for 10 days
This will put my left at 7cm. While i lengthen my right leg, i wont be lengthening my left leg
20mm / 0.75mm = 27 days
This will give my left leg aprox 25 days to loosen up
At which point i can go 1 more cm on the left easily given its rest and comtimue the right to 8
Because i wont be lengthening my left there is a chance it could consolidate.
I would accept 7cm if that happened
8+7 is amazing gains
However i will be a lot more attentive to the xrays this time and keep om eye on the tightness and bone formation of the left
If at any point the bone is showing signs of pre consolidtion given that my left is flexible enough i’ll take it to 8
I’ve set a plan
And a safety backup
Now it’s just faith we’ll see what happens
Surgery is this tuesday
The saga continues
Thanks for all your support
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MyEvolution
Sorry to hear that you have to rebreak bone,
however it’s not that big issue, surely I believe you’ll accomplish your goal with your strong will ;)
For this rebreaking surgery, may I ask how much do they charge?
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Are there any diaries out there about re beaking? I would be lieng if I said im not at least a little nervous tbh
My re break is scheduled in 4 days i have no clue how ill b walking right after
I jus took a video of my curent walk so i can compare but hoping its not too big of a set back
They r re breaking + changing the rod
I’ve been lengthening my left at 2x (0.5mm) slowly as well
I have 7 more days of that and my left will officially be at 7cm
At that point i am hoping that while i focus on my right and give my left time off, it will loosen up to the point where i can safetly continue the left to 8cm with the right
This has been one of the hardest things i’ve ever had to fight for
Just when i thought i’d be at 8cm 2 weeks from now, that date got pushed back by 1.5months
But it’s SO worth it to me and still not too far off so I have to keep battling
Btw i have been thinking of making a patreon where i post exclusive videos for you guys going in depth on any Q&A’s you might have. If u support this idea let me know & if enough people want it i’ll do it
I remember what it was like to be in the 5’4’s and reading this forum on the other side hoping this was all real and worth it
It is, there is a hope my brothers
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It is so worth it! It will be okay, MyEvolution. It will ALL be okay. Keep.Going.Strong.
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Hi MyEvolution,
I also had a rebreak and change of nail because of premature consolidation. It wasn't traumatic and in fact as a precaution I was lengthening the day after the surgery. In my case the new osteotomy site was more distal than the previous one. I recently looked at my xrays and the original site is fully consolidated and the new site is more or less consolidated too. I had the rebreak in September last year. I am sure it will go well for you too.
Good luck!
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How painful was it and did it set you back?
Currently i’m not using any walking assistance. Will I be back to a cane, on crutches? Etc
It took me pretty much 3 months post Op to be able to walk with no assistance. I guess im tryna see if it’ll be like, another 3 months post op to walk properly
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Oh, interesting - I thought you had to atleast use the cain through part of consolidation.
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Hi MyEvolution
You will be fine!
Can I ask why they have to change the nail when you rebreak, and how much they will charge it again? thanks
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Does anyone know how common the chance for premature consolidation is? Is there a way to prevent this? All my best to you MyEvolution, really unfortunate but hope the surgery and recovery goes well
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How painful was it and did it set you back?
Currently i’m not using any walking assistance. Will I be back to a cane, on crutches? Etc
It took me pretty much 3 months post Op to be able to walk with no assistance. I guess im tryna see if it’ll be like, another 3 months post op to walk properly
It was not painful but that could be because I had a good supply of pain killers. However, I did need to stay in hospital longer than the original surgery - about 10 nights as I had become quite weak and it would have been difficult to cope on my own.
Because the surgeon at the time was not sure as to why the lengthening had not worked I was asked to stay on crutches for the entire duration of lengthening. After lengthening I was able to walk unassisted in about 6 weeks.
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It was not painful but that could be because I had a good supply of pain killers. However, I did need to stay in hospital longer than the original surgery - about 10 nights as I had become quite weak and it would have been difficult to cope on my own.
Because the surgeon at the time was not sure as to why the lengthening had not worked I was asked to stay on crutches for the entire duration of lengthening. After lengthening I was able to walk unassisted in about 6 weeks.
Holy thats scary!!! They told me i’d probably be able to go home the same day
Where did u do your re break
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Are there any diaries out there about re beaking? I would be lieng if I said im not at least a little nervous tbh
My re break is scheduled in 4 days i have no clue how ill b walking right after
I jus took a video of my curent walk so i can compare but hoping its not too big of a set back
They r re breaking + changing the rod
I’ve been lengthening my left at 2x (0.5mm) slowly as well
I have 7 more days of that and my left will officially be at 7cm
At that point i am hoping that while i focus on my right and give my left time off, it will loosen up to the point where i can safetly continue the left to 8cm with the right
This has been one of the hardest things i’ve ever had to fight for
Just when i thought i’d be at 8cm 2 weeks from now, that date got pushed back by 1.5months
But it’s SO worth it to me and still not too far off so I have to keep battling
Btw i have been thinking of making a patreon where i post exclusive videos for you guys going in depth on any Q&A’s you might have. If u support this idea let me know & if enough people want it i’ll do it
I remember what it was like to be in the 5’4’s and reading this forum on the other side hoping this was all real and worth it
It is, there is a hope my brothers
Hey bro....we definitely want that video thing...would really be helpful....best of luck for re break surgery!
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Holy thats scary!!! They told me i’d probably be able to go home the same day
Where did u do your re break
It was my fourth surgery and I elected to stay longer because I did not feel well enough to travel back home by plane - my stay was originally expected to be 5 nights. The procedure was done in Europe by the surgeon that did the original surgery. Your situation is much better than my one was.
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Surgery tomorrow 12pm!!!!!!!
Fml but here we go
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Surgery tomorrow 12pm!!!!!!!
Fml but here we go
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Good luck! Let us know how it goes.
I always worry about premature consolidation or unevening lengthening.
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Thanks dude
BTW OPEN OFFER
I am staying at Homewood suites right now I have a 2 bedroom (1 king room, 1 living room and 2 queen beds in another room all seperated by doors) and my brother left so it’s only me
If anyone is doing LL soon and is staying at homewood suites i’d love to split 50/50 on the room, it’ll save you 50% of curent honewood suites offer
Lmk if you are interested
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Just had surgery couple days ago and.. how do i put this into words
Thank god it’s only my right leg my left leg feels terrible
Not as bad as first time but still a solid 50% of the pain of surgery
I’ve had hiccups since surgery that anesthesia was super strong
Puked all of tuesday
I am using crutches rn pretty dependent on them ngl idk how long it will take me to regain full strength but this def sucks
I feel pain at my knees rn i know that’ll go away soon enough
But hey my left leg is at 7cm so time to catch up then go home
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Been checking this thread a lot — Glad to hear you’re doing okay.
Some people experience nausea as a result of the anesthesia; I know I did the first time, and they gave me a patch the second time.
I think the knee pain is usually due to swelling.
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Fr man everytime i think damn why did I do this i remember DAMN BABY i get to go home with 7CM WOOOOO idk if i’ll get to 8 cause at this point they are on my assss making sure I stop but
7 is amazing still
Catch up consolidate go hooomeee a tall manss
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Fr man everytime i think damn why did I do this i remember DAMN BABY i get to go home with 7CM WOOOOO idk if i’ll get to 8 cause at this point they are on my assss making sure I stop but
7 is amazing still
Catch up consolidate go hooomeee a tall manss
I assume you've been discharged, have you resumed PT yet?
BTW sounds like they've cracked down and don't want people trying to go past 5cm on tibias anymore.
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I assume you've been discharged, have you resumed PT yet?
BTW sounds like they've cracked down and don't want people trying to go past 5cm on tibias anymore.
Ya thats true. For anyone reading, if you try to go past 5cm the doctors will litterally do everything to stop you at 5cm. I know why now loool it’s too much fighting but im glad i made it to 7
Yea i was discharged the day after, spent 1 night in the hospital
I puked 4 times that day
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Hey MyEvolution,
I've been following your journey for months. Thanks for your fantastic diary so far. I have a question regarding the lengthening schedule. For the first 7 days of lengthening, I was doing 1mm a day in tibias. Following that, I am doing 0.75mm a day for the next 85 days. What was your lengthening schedule like?
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I've been following your journey for months. Thanks for your fantastic diary so far. I have a question regarding the lengthening schedule. For the first 7 days of lengthening, I was doing 1mm a day in tibias. Following that, I am doing 0.75mm a day for the next 85 days. What was your lengthening schedule like?
I can't speak to his schedule but I'm told Paley usually limits tibia patients to 0.75mm/day.
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I can't speak to his schedule but I'm told Paley usually limits tibia patients to 0.75mm/day.
Yea usually but they told me to do 0.5mm/day THATS TOO SLOW I AM LOSING MY MIND OMG I WANNA GO HOMEEEEEEEEEE
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Yea usually but they told me to do 0.5mm/day THATS TOO SLOW I AM LOSING MY MIND OMG I WANNA GO HOMEEEEEEEEEE
I too have been told to go down to 0.5mm and I agree, it's quite a bummer. Feels like things take forever.
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I too have been told to go down to 0.5mm and I agree, it's quite a bummer. Feels like things take forever.
I know man like i was getting ready to go home in a week
Now my trip got extended another 50 DAMN DAYS
this will break you down
Femurs was WAY WAY EASIER DO NOT DO TIBIAS
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Update:
Lengthening starts tomorrow
Back to using a cane
Painful but i’m strong enough to use a cane so gonna stick with it
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50 days is nothing in life mate, it will be over soon and you will not have to do any of this again :D Keep your spirits up!
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Which country are you from ?
I am particularly worried about a situation like yours. I can stay in US for only 90 days per visit. If I overstay, I may not be allowed to enter in the future. Having to stay another 50-60 days would be impossible. But imagine paying so much money and to cut short your goal to leave the country.
Edit: Just saw your Canadian. So you guys can stay for 180 days eh? Lucky you! >:( :D Do you know what other people from outside do at paley institute? 90 days is too short and MOST country people are allowed to stay only for 90 days. 3 days to set up everything in WPB, then surgery, then 7 days of no lengthening and you are left with exactly 80 days for lengthening. One complication and it's over. There is no easy way for me to stay for 180 days. :(
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I know man like i was getting ready to go home in a week
Now my trip got extended another 50 DAMN DAYS
this will break you down
Heh, we might be done around the same time now.
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Heh, we might be done around the same time now.
Lmao probably dude, 7 weeks to go!!
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Lmao probably dude, 7 weeks to go!!
For me, I calculated 6 weeks at the certain rate, 5 if things improve.
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MyEvolution, how much (if any) extra PT are you going to have to buy? I'm wondering what the rate is these days.
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MyEvolution, how much (if any) extra PT are you going to have to buy? I'm wondering what the rate is these days.
Because of the whole situation i got Paley to give me 7 weeks of FREE PT!!!
So looks like i had to buy none
Weird enough these complications worked out in my favour cause my right leg which needs 2.8cm of lengthening is SUPER loose all the PT’s say theres no way its gonna get tight
And my left which is done lengthening but is tight will get 7 weeks of free PT LOL
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Femurs was WAY WAY EASIER DO NOT DO TIBIAS
I don't know if it's the tibias or the fact that I can walk with Stryde (involves a lot more muscles than what we had to do with the older rods), but walking properly is getting tougher the more I lengthen -- and it's a drag, man. Assuming they don't stop me, I'm not sure I'm gonna want to go all the rest of the way to 5cm.
Femurs with the Precice 2.2 were easier than this; no joke.
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I don't know if it's the tibias or the fact that I can walk with Stryde (involves a lot more muscles than what we had to do with the older rods), but walking properly is getting tougher the more I lengthen -- and it's a drag, man. Assuming they don't stop me, I'm not sure I'm gonna want to go all the rest of the way to 5cm.
Femurs with the Precice 2.2 were easier than this; no joke.
How many cm are you at now? Dude no ik exactly what u mean but its not the lengthening
Its weird with femurs i was on a cane in 3-4 wks but tibias took me5-6wks
BUT once you get on the cane your walk strength goes up at a much faster rate than femurs
Like for me 3months out i stopped using my cane but my walk way WAY better than all the other femur patients
The good thing is once u get your walk you wont have a weird duck ass typa walk like femurs cause your glutes werent affected
Hey man its all in the mind its all what u want. I’m at 7cm dude if u want it u can have it but whatever u can tolerate
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How many cm are you at now? Dude no ik exactly what u mean but its not the lengthening
Its weird with femurs i was on a cane in 3-4 wks but tibias took me5-6wks
BUT once you get on the cane your walk strength goes up at a much faster rate than femurs
Like for me 3months out i stopped using my cane but my walk way WAY better than all the other femur patients
The good thing is once u get your walk you wont have a weird duck ass typa walk like femurs cause your glutes werent affected
Hey man its all in the mind its all what u want. I’m at 7cm dude if u want it u can have it but whatever u can tolerate
Bit over 3cm.
I was able to move to cain earlier, maybe after 3-4 weeks? But recently my walk cycle has been getting worse.
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I actually am thinking of making a documentary style Youtube video to document the jounrney.
Is this still in consideration?
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Is this still in consideration?
No
Update: Pain is still really high considering re break and rod exchange, ALOT worse than expected
My knee is in absolute agony
6 weeks of lengthening to go
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Hi MyEvolution, can I ask why they have to change your nail when re break your bone? thanks
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Hi MyEvolution, can I ask why they have to change your nail when re break your bone? thanks
They remove the nail to re-break the tibia. The nail is replaced as the old one is no longer useful after removal.
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Hi pickingasurgeon, thanks for the information
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Hi MyEvolution, can I ask how much cost you for the re breaking and replace the nail, thanks
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Hi MyEvolution, can I ask how much cost you for the re breaking and replace the nail, thanks
It was $20K
Yo guys crazy crazy update
So when i FIRST did LL before femurs i broughr a friend with me
That friend was roughly 5’10 and a half
At 5’4 i told him
If i ever became your height that would be a dream come true
He is visiting me right now
I kid you not
On my left leg i am 1 inch taller than him!!!!
On my right we are the same height
Omfg i cannot believe i ever woulda been able to reach this height
I am a confident 5’11 rn
Eventho this pain actually sucks it’s really trippy walking with my friend and being taller than him
Also when im wearing slippors and he’s barefeet sometimes i’m even MORE tall like im looking over his head
SO CRAZY HOLY I AM SO HAPPY WTH MY RESULTS
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It was $20K
Yo guys crazy crazy update
So when i FIRST did LL before femurs i broughr a friend with me
That friend was roughly 5’10 and a half
At 5’4 i told him
If i ever became your height that would be a dream come true
He is visiting me right now
I kid you not
On my left leg i am 1 inch taller than him!!!!
On my right we are the same height
Omfg i cannot believe i ever woulda been able to reach this height
I am a confident 5’11 rn
Eventho this pain actually sucks it’s really trippy walking with my friend and being taller than him
Also when im wearing slippors and he’s barefeet sometimes i’m even MORE tall like im looking over his head
SO CRAZY HOLY I AM SO HAPPY WTH MY RESULTS
Dream come true!
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Hi evo,
Hope your lengthening is going well. Quick question; I'm a youtuber too and I was wondering if you still made videos during your lengthening or was the pain too much to focus. I'm paying for the surgery the same way.
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Update: Past 2 weeks since operation and right leg is still a pain in the arse. Woke up rn in agony just took an oxy
Hopefully this pain goes away soon ive suffered for too long
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i wish i had this much money to have this surgery with stryde and go to paley...
you are an inspiration..
i hope one day... i can be like you too..
thanks for everything..
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i wish i had this much money to have this surgery with stryde and go to paley...
you are an inspiration..
i hope one day... i can be like you too..
thanks for everything..
If you obsess over it, you will find a way, riches will find you
Took me 5 years of obsessive focus to make the $$ but have faith keep pushing it will happen
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UPDATE:
Just had an xRay and the results are in.. i did it
7.6cm on my left leg 5.5rn on my right slowly catching up
https://imgur.com/a/llhS3gf
I cant believe i was able to hit 7.6cm, no ballerina 15° both legs
I am now 5’11 and super happy with my goal
I cant wait to recover so i can wear lifts and airforces and be at 6’1 OMFG
5 weeks of catching up on my right
Thanks to everyone for the support you guys have been a pivotal part of my journey
I hope this inspires you to strive for what you deserve
I had to fight through many obstacles and the fight isnt over but at least i will keep my 7.6cm
Love u guys
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Nice work mate! I knew you'd make it.
Did they use the old nail or did they use a new nail?
If they used a new nail did the $20k include the cost of a new nail?
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If you obsess over it, you will find a way, riches will find you
Took me 5 years of obsessive focus to make the $$ but have faith keep pushing it will happen
UPDATE:
Just had an xRay and the results are in.. i did it
7.6cm on my left leg 5.5rn on my right slowly catching up
https://imgur.com/a/llhS3gf
I cant believe i was able to hit 7.6cm, no ballerina 15° both legs
I am now 5’11 and super happy with my goal
I cant wait to recover so i can wear lifts and airforces and be at 6’1 OMFG
5 weeks of catching up on my right
Thanks to everyone for the support you guys have been a pivotal part of my journey
I hope this inspires you to strive for what you deserve
I had to fight through many obstacles and the fight isnt over but at least i will keep my 7.6cm
Love u guys
good update, keep it up. with this determination your right leg will catch up, no doubt about that.
its crazy that naturally long dudes never really have to go through this hell. nature isnt always fair.
but they dont know what its like to be short, and generally saying cheesy things like learn to accept yourself. yea, fk that. you are into sports, me too.. so you should know pain is only temporary. 2 years from now you will thank yourself and love yourself even more, when you return to normal %100.
and some people here saying things like you will never be the same after LL, i really dont believe that. especially if you're a sportsman.
your x-rays look really decent, clean cut bones and you kinda see its been done by the people who know what they're doing.
and please dont become "that guy" looking down on short guys now :) ....
i'm really happy for you.
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UPDATE:
Just had an xRay and the results are in.. i did it
7.6cm on my left leg 5.5rn on my right slowly catching up
https://imgur.com/a/llhS3gf
I cant believe i was able to hit 7.6cm, no ballerina 15° both legs
I am now 5’11 and super happy with my goal
I cant wait to recover so i can wear lifts and airforces and be at 6’1 OMFG
5 weeks of catching up on my right
Thanks to everyone for the support you guys have been a pivotal part of my journey
I hope this inspires you to strive for what you deserve
I had to fight through many obstacles and the fight isnt over but at least i will keep my 7.6cm
Love u guys
Really glad to see you are happy man. Going from 5'4" to 5'11" is huge and will work wonders for your mental health man, that's awesome.
If I had the money I would probably do 2 surgeries too so I can just be tall and never think about height again.
It's gonna be a struggle just saving up for the one surgery and I have a physical job so. Personally can't wait to be in your shoes and get my surgery and be comfortable with myself. You're an inspiration.
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Hi myself ani..brother you are a true inspiration and i am really happy for you and your achievement....just wanna ask you is it possible to do..7.8CM on tibia's with externals such as LON or LATN..a reply would be very much appreciated THANKS.
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Nice work mate! I knew you'd make it.
Did they use the old nail or did they use a new nail?
If they used a new nail did the $20k include the cost of a new nail?
They replaced the nail included in the 20k to make sure it works!
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good update, keep it up. with this determination your right leg will catch up, no doubt about that.
its crazy that naturally long dudes never really have to go through this hell. nature isnt always fair.
but they dont know what its like to be short, and generally saying cheesy things like learn to accept yourself. yea, fk that. you are into sports, me too.. so you should know pain is only temporary. 2 years from now you will thank yourself and love yourself even more, when you return to normal %100.
and some people here saying things like you will never be the same after LL, i really dont believe that. especially if you're a sportsman.
your x-rays look really decent, clean cut bones and you kinda see its been done by the people who know what they're doing.
and please dont become "that guy" looking down on short guys now :) ....
i'm really happy for you.
Amen, i will always remember where i came fro
Sure naturally tall guys are blessed to be tall but no offense most my tall friends are soooo lazy and have 0 discipline and follow through. Now that i’m taller than the friends i comsidered tall i’m gonna destroy life with my work ethic
My short brothers i will always feel for you. Keep pushing, ITS POSSIBLE
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did you keep lengthening your left leg after 7cm?
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yo proud of you bro, ur almost there
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They replaced the nail included in the 20k to make sure it works!
I think they ended up not charging you for something (maybe surgeon fees, maybe the nail). Because $20k seems quite less to basically redo the operation for one leg. It costs over $100k for both legs, so it could have been half that.
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Osteotomy point is same or they break your tibia on different point?
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Osteotomy point is same or they break your tibia on different point?
Check the image, the re break is a lot higher
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did you keep lengthening your left leg after 7cm?
Yea i got greedy lol kept going to 7.6cm
But i have 15° dorsiflextion in both legs so i dont see the harm
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Yea i got greedy lol kept going to 7.6cm
But i have 15° dorsiflextion in both legs so i dont see the harm
how are you feeling bro? whats your height as of now? ( i like to ask this question heheheh)
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how are you feeling bro? whats your height as of now? ( i like to ask this question heheheh)
Solid 5’11 with no lifts :)
Met up with my two friends who are 5’11 and 6’0 former LL patients and I was same height at 5’11 guy
Safe to say i hit my dream goal
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Congratulations!!
I have your same starting height, it would be awesome to reach your same achievment.
¿ How do you feel with your torso vs leg proportions? ¿ Would you mind uploading a pic?
You are definitely one of the most succesful LL's stories we have seen here in a long time.
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Congratulations!!
I have your same starting height, it would be awesome to reach your same achievment.
¿ How do you feel with your torso vs leg proportions? ¿ Would you mind uploading a pic?
You are definitely one of the most succesful LL's stories we have seen here in a long time.
Hey i figured I'd make a course for your guys and make it available on Udemy since I noticed not everyone is able to reach 15.6cm
in the course I will include LL hacks, how to overcome certain obstacles, and yea pretty much an entire guide
ya i'll post a pic when my right catches up with my left but my proportions are amazing, will NOT be doing arm lengthening :)
I see that as my Tibias recover I won't be posting on here as much and eventually forget and move on and so, I want to create something that will be there as a guide for you guys forever. I am going to create a video series course
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That being said, let's start an FAQ section ask your questions so I can add some general questions into the introduction section of the course
I'll keep building up the FAQ based on you guys. I have about one more year on this forum and then when my rods come out I will most likely move on. My life is already amazing. Sometimes I cry tears of happiness to appreciate how far i've come. It's really possible guys it can be done
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Update: Officially off the cane so i'd say it took about 4 weeks of a re break and nail removal to go from cane to no cane
I do have a limp working on my walking balance and strength
should be back to normal gait in about 3 weeks
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Update: Officially off the cane so i'd say it took about 4 weeks of a re break and nail removal to go from cane to no cane
I do have a limp working on my walking balance and strength
should be back to normal gait in about 3 weeks
hey man, so glad you're doing OK, can you post a video on how is your gait looking?
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Hey i figured I'd make a course for your guys and make it available on Udemy since I noticed not everyone is able to reach 15.6cm
in the course I will include LL hacks, how to overcome certain obstacles, and yea pretty much an entire guide
ya i'll post a pic when my right catches up with my left but my proportions are amazing, will NOT be doing arm lengthening :)
I see that as my Tibias recover I won't be posting on here as much and eventually forget and move on and so, I want to create something that will be there as a guide for you guys forever. I am going to create a video series course
You are a legend mate. Your video series will be extremely valuable to the community.
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Hi MyEvolution, I am going to do LL surgery with Paley this summer, and I am working on finding a place to stay in West Palm Beach. Do you live in one of the recommended hotels from Paley's list? How long you stayed there and how much you pay for the stay? Did you ask for the Paley rate? (In Paley's FAQs brochure he mentions we can ask for the Paley rate.)
Thanks!
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Alright guys so at this point i’m roughly around 6.2cm on my right leg and 7.6cm on my left got 3 weeks left of lengthening to go
SO this gives me enough time to create a thorough course guide for you guys
To hide my face i’m gonna be wearing a Spiderman mask, blurring my face is too annoying
Please add to this if you feel
There will be
An intro section
Managing expectations
General FAQ & lodging
Femurs
How to prepare 1 month before
1-8cm guide
Post op what to expect
Hacks and tips
Tibias
How to prep
1-5cm
5+ cm guide
Hacks to get really flexible
Thats what im thinking for the structure
This course is really for you guys so lmk what you think
Next year this time my rods will be out and I probably wont be on her anymore
Hope ive helped you guys as much as i could
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Next year this time my rods will be out and I probably wont be on her anymore
By the way, was just thinking about this -- they said you can have the rods removed after one year... but is it one year post-surgery, post-lengthening, post-consolidation?
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what types of pain and symptoms to freak out about and what types of pain can wait until your next visit to the doctor
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By the way, was just thinking about this -- they said you can have the rods removed after one year... but is it one year post-surgery, post-lengthening, post-consolidation?
Depends on everyone id say like a year after lengthening
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Depends on everyone id say like a year after lengthening
Hey man, you said you won't be here after rod removal....But I sincerely request you to keep us updating about your life...Personally I'm more of interested in the after effects of a successful ll....Also I would like to witness your journey towards athletic normal lifestyle...
Maybe I'm asking for a lot but....That's what I sincerely wish....
You are almost there!
Power to you!
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Hello,
Any news on the youtube tutorial?
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How you doing man? Has your left leg already catched up?
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MyEvolution,
Thank you so much for writing this diary!
I'm at 5'4 (lower than 97% men in the US), as a result, my success rate with high quality woman is probably the inverse ~3% lol
Your journey is truly an inspiration and make me 100% want to do the surgery (still working to get that $$).
I will definitely buy your class and use it as my bible when the time comes!
In that class, would be awesome to have the following sections:
1) For someone who have 1-2 years before the first surgery, what preparation (diet, vitamin, exercise and etc) can be done to get maximum height, minimize pain/complication and minimize time recovery?
2) Learning Lessons. Like if you have to repeat the entire process, how would you do it differently to make the journey easier?
3) Recovery process. I assume your goal is 100% function recovery, so what are the challenges and things you do to get there...
5) After gained 15cm, your parents, relatives, close friends (guys & girls) and ex girlfriends will notice. What do they ask? How do you respond? I assume there will be few people whom you decide to share, and others prefer not to share about the surgeries.
Really appreciate your contribution. God bless!
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Hi there,
I am reall curious about your outcome.
We havent heard from you in a long while.
¿ any news?
Hope everything is going fine.
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Updates:
Life is pretty trippy back home ngl
Every single person I have met has noticed my height. Its weird cause when i did femurs no one noticed but now EVERY SINGLE PERSON says WOAH HOLY UR LIKE 6’ dude howd u get so tall
I guess from 5’5-5’8 isnt noticable cause short —> normal vs 5’8–> 5’11 normal —> tall
Especially since everyone keeps saying i’m 6’ ive accepted that i’m 6 now
Havnt been able to go out alot back home and enjoy my height cause of corona but its still amazing feeling. I dont regret pushing myself because if i didnt get that last inch i woulda been a lil shorter than my friends who say they are 6’ but i am a little taller than them and it feels damn amazing to finally not only be good looking, but TALL as well. Ive always been that good looking shoet kid. Oh he’s good looking.. but he’s short. Oh he’s good at this.. but he’s short. Oh hes successful for his age.. BUT hes short. NO MORE!! I am now the same height as my 6’ proclaimed friends (lowkey i know they arent 6’ lmaoo im like 5’10 and a half 5’11 but ill accept it)
I walk okay right now but ppl have caught me limping
I had to give an excuse
Some ppl said dude u did surgery or what howd u get tall
I told them this story
“When i was a teen i NEVER had a growth spurt unlike all of you. So i checked with my dr. And he said my growth plates havnt fused which is rare but considering i didnt have a growth sourt it made sense. So he gave me HGH and i got lucky and grew! “ side effects is you lose a lot of weight, just like how in highschool the fat kids become tall and skinny, and you are also temporarily weaker because your muscles are longer and need to catch up”
Also i have tight calfs so i gotta stretch
They believe it
Their next question is usually can I do it too? I say idk get ur bones checked but if u had a growth spurt (which everyone has had) chances are slim to none
Come to think of it wtf everyone had a growth spurt as a teen and I didnt? Not fair but cant complain cause i got to select the height i want lol lifehack
Anyway ask specific questions if you guys have i’ll update. But
It was worth it, so so worth it. Cant wait to wear lifts and be like 6’2 LOL
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Yo dude myevolution m happy for u men..i wanna really talk wid u like on insta so here's my insta ID-i_am_alaminislam.....plz DM me wld wanna ask u a lot of questions please help me..ty
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Creative way to deflect the truth lol
that's wassup bro you're a real trooper and CLL warrior. Hope you keep updating, might even convince me to do tibias too lol
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Creative way to deflect the truth lol
Interesting way of saying bold faced lie. Gotta cope though right? lmfao
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Havnt been able to go out alot back home and enjoy my height cause of corona but its still amazing feeling.
This is for sure a bummer. Oh well, use the time to improve our gait I guess.
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man, ur a fckin legend haha.
Havent thought about HGH excuse before.
¿ Can you share with us any photos of your body?
¿Are you still planning to do the youtube tutorial?
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man, ur a fkin legend haha.
Havent thought about HGH excuse before.
¿ Can you share with us any photos of your body?
¿Are you still planning to do the youtube tutorial?
Im unsure about the course tutorial because it would rewhire a lot of comittment in time to teach enough that one would benefit from but if support for the idea grows I might do it
This is the best decision I ever made
Yes sometimes I do cramp and sometimes i do limp (even now) the body gets tired especially when u try to keep up with normal friends but its so worth it. Everyone says i’m 6’ which is funny cause I know im 5’11 but wtvr it makes me feel like all those extra hours really paid off. I finally not only dont think about my height, My height has become an advantage now. Not even wearing lifts and I am free and whole now I love it
I wish i can guide you all through this i wish there was a non profit that just somehow created wealth and was able to pay for this surgery for everyone and it was tied in with a coaching program
NO ONE, not even you reading this deserves to have to put up with being short forever. It is a living nightmare and we shouldnt be punished like this. I love you all and hope you keep fighting until u get the chance to get taller because it is worth every second of pain and sacrafice.
In the end, the grass truly is greener. Its almost a dream writing this
And yes i’ll upload some pics i actually have taken pics i’ll share them with you guys
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Really happy you made it to your goal! Just one question, could you please measure your sitting height? I wanna reach your height too but my sitting height is garbage
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would you have been satisfied with going from 5’6 to 5’9 and not doing the second surgery?
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He was 5'4" and no, haven't yet read the first post
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He was 5'4" and no, haven't yet read the first post
That is correct! 5’6 would have been a great starting point, but i wouldnt have done this in the first place if i wasnt planning on going all the way
5’6–> 5’9 is def way better than 5’4&1/2 —> 5’8 but that was never the plan
I woulda been content with my life but
Tbh LL is one of the hardest things ive ever had to do in my life and for the amount of sacraficing to go on this journey it would only be worth it to end up super happy, which woulda been 5’11-6’1 (with a 5’5&1/2 - 5’6) starting point
5’9 is cool
But its not like a 5’11-6’1 different ball park
Its like going from a charmander in pokemon
To a charmeleon, and stopping there
No
You wanna go for the charizard
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Its like going from a charmander in pokemon
To a charmeleon, and stopping there
No
You wanna go for the charizard
I always thought Charmeleon was really cool and it sucked that Ash never gained full control over him... maybe I should only do the one surgery ;D
I get what you're saying though. It's very strange contemplating being 5'11" after living life at 5'5.5, no doubt it would be pretty damn cool to be that height. I could always imagine being a bit taller, around 5'9" but I never bothered thinking about the 6' range.
If I was still in my early 20's I'd consider that, being early thirties it seems like the process may be a bit too long to do both. I don't want to be of the mind that I want to get it done ASAP and put it behind me, it's a long road from the pre-surgery preparations and the recovery after the surgery. I think if you do take up the challenge and overcome it, you should carry that with you for the rest of your life as a positive thing rather than put it behind you.
That being said after putting in the work and recovering it would be good to start enjoying the additional height rather than the entire process not being complete for another year+.
But that also being said, it's a different world today! Early thirties is still pretty young in terms of "the rest of your life", or maybe with some patients it doesn't matter how old you are if you won't be truly happy until you hit a certain height.
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That is correct! 5’6 would have been a great starting point, but i wouldnt have done this in the first place if i wasnt planning on going all the way
5’6–> 5’9 is def way better than 5’4&1/2 —> 5’8 but that was never the plan
I woulda been content with my life but
Tbh LL is one of the hardest things ive ever had to do in my life and for the amount of sacraficing to go on this journey it would only be worth it to end up super happy, which woulda been 5’11-6’1 (with a 5’5&1/2 - 5’6) starting point
5’9 is cool
But its not like a 5’11-6’1 different ball park
Its like going from a charmander in pokemon
To a charmeleon, and stopping there
No
You wanna go for the charizard
Granted I haven't fully recovered yet from my second surgery, but honestly the jump to 5'6 -> 5'8/5'9 seemed a lot more valuable than the one to 5'10/5'11, I think because in the first case you're going from short to average whereas to feel the effects of really being tall, you really gotta be like 6'1+.
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LOLLLL at your people thinking you're 6 ft. The general perception of height, especially amongst men, is so distorted it can get comical. Glad you are enjoying your height man, we've come a long way. Cheers bro.
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LOLLLL at your people thinking you're 6 ft. The general perception of height, especially amongst men, is so distorted it can get comical. Glad you are enjoying your height man, we've come a long way. Cheers bro.
Hahahha ikr whatever its funny
Bet ppl saying ur like 6’2 eh
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How's your gait and consolidation. Now that you've done pretty much everything, when do you think you'll make a 90% recovery? 10 months? 15 months? 2 years?
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Hahahha ikr whatever its funny
Bet ppl saying ur like 6’2 eh
Yep it's funny. Old friends/colleagues who have claimed 6 ft all our lives are now an inch or two shorter than me. I just smile and laugh when it gets brought up.
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How long did it take to start jumping post-op from stryde femurs vs stryde tibias? Which one do you feel you healed faster?
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Hey MyEvolution
Your forum is very helpful and informing, can you please check PM I need your help.
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About the tendon release surgery what did the doctor told you about biceps femoris. It band. Did you meet an older patient
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Wow, now that the market and downtown & patios have been open, I have really started running into a lot of people I used to know and let me tell you one thing, if you’re ready for a huge life change this is it
On average 9/10 people have commented on my height, guys that i used to know go crazy and be like hooly shiit did u grow dude ur huge
And i jus laugh it off and try to agree with whatever they say to rub it off or use the hgh excuse
Girls as well have been taking notice too
I used to know this girl who was like 5’10 and there are alot of situations where I am taller than her now she acting different too ;)
Guys who i used to think are 6’0 are barely even taller like 1/2 n inch
So a lot of ppl who have been shocked at my height have guess that “woah dude ur probably like 6’0 now so
Its amazing i’m glad i did this and pushed theough every single cm
I am happy i was able to have all your support & throughout this journey be inspired to break through barriers and inspire you guys too
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What's your original and current height now? And how much did you do for Femurs, how much for Tibias. Just to summarize
How's your gait and recovery going as well? Can run yet?
Congrats MyEvolution.
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you are one crazy motherfker bro!! I mean its just incredible.....can you like walk normally now? like without ppl tking notice, lke nothing ever happened(just concerned with gait n not your dramatic height gain).......nd hows your proportions.....does anybody ever find weird about it? cuz this....is some legendary !
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Hey Evo,
We can we get a photo of your final results?
Most people planning to do femur + tibia dwell on the proportions issue.
¿ Do you feel yours changed too much or on a daily basis is it barely noticeable?
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MyEvolution or others, if your original height is 5'4 and a half, then your 'banana' is normal/large size based on that height.
When you become higher to 5'9-5'11, your banana size stays the same.
Have this ever become a problem with the girl when in bed?
Of course you can improve your skill, but still physically it's a banana (d1ck) of 5'4 on a person with height 5'9+.
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Hey Evo,
We can we get a photo of your final results?
Most people planning to do femur + tibia dwell on the proportions issue.
¿ Do you feel yours changed too much or on a daily basis is it barely noticeable?
Ill post a photo for you guys this week and you can decide for yourself
Id say i look sexy lmao proportions is an illusion
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MyEvolution or others, if your original height is 5'4 and a half, then your 'banana' is normal/large size based on that height.
When you become higher to 5'9-5'11, your banana size stays the same.
Have this ever become a problem with the girl when in bed?
Of course you can improve your skill, but still physically it's a banana (d1ck) of 5'4 on a person with height 5'9+.
That’s not nessesarily true, unless you’re like under 5’0 i think there is a median where your height doesnt effect your banana
Not all 6’0 guys conclusively have a bigger banana than other guys
If you are concerned about this lookup stuff im sure there are ways to increase that too
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Hey MyEvolution.
Im doing Tibia Lenghtening (internal Betzbone) at the moment im at 2.1 cm and planing to do 5-5.5cm.
My question for you is:
1. When did you start to pratice walking the stairs? After finishing lengthening ?
2. And when did you get rid of crutches and were you walking a lot or did you do more stretching than walking?
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Hi mate I’ve been reading your diary, true inspiration. Now you’ve gone through the whole process, how are you keeping? Walking fine? Exercise? Everyday tasks? And any regrets. Top stuff geez.
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Hey MyEvo, Im thinking about getting tibia LL with donghoon. Besides the height what are the things you have gained from the surgery and what have you lost in return? Some folks who have had Tibia LL complain about not being able to exercise as before (not even a 20min jogging) and that really worries me. Have you also noticed any enlarged calves to thenpoint where you have to choose your jeans based off your calf size?
To sum up
1. Post op gain / loss
2. Post tibia LL sport activity recovery
2. Calf enlargement
Thanks a lot!
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Ill post a photo for you guys this week and you can decide for yourself
Id say i look sxxy lmao proportions is an illusion
Don’t bother posting anything. Anytime anyone has posted a picture on these forums, they have been bombarded with negativity and judgement. Last thing you want mate is for your picture to come up on google search.
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Hey Myevolution
I’m in the same situation as you, I did my femurs last year and now I’m booking to do my Tibias (stryde) next month hopefully.
Can you please help me with equipment or stuff you bought to help you along the journey with Tibias. I’m already familiar with leg lengthening since I did my femurs but I know tibias are different.
So far I purchased the leg stretcher for calves (the one you shared in your post) and have been using it to stretch daily to get ready.
What else should I buy or do to help me along this journey?
Thank you
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MyEvo. You still alive bro? Would love to see them pics 🙂
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Hey guys been a while time for a meaningful update:
Ive always been transparent with you guys and theres something I need to tell you guys
You remember when I did that re break surgery in january? For those who dont know, i did tibs in september 2019, then in january 2020 i re broke my right tibia
When I did this, my leg got an infection
At the time i didnt think it was worth reporting because I thought it was only temporary
Anyway, for the last 6 months i’ve had an infection at one of my wound sites that hasnt gone away
I was told to take antibiotics to keep it at bay
It ruined my life honestly
I havnt been able to make much progress because of it
It used to keep me up at night, big red bump, drainage, and this entire summer was an L because I could not go swimming at all since I had an infection i cant get wet
Ive had nurses come see me every 2-3 days in Canada to take care of me thank god for the canadian health system
fast forward to 3 weeks ago, I had a flush surgery in canada where they removed the rod in the infected area & have been putting me on Vancomycin ever since
For some reason at the paley institute they were never able to identify the culture bacteria? But in Canada they identified it as CONS (coagulase negative staphylococcus). This infection is something that only usually happens from having a surgery specifically because the bacteria attached to the hardware. Now that the hardware has been removed i have 0 pain and am finally starting to make recovery progress again. I cant believe this infection has persisted till now. I am currently reaquired to have an IV picc line attached to my arm till october first maybe they can switch me to pill form?
Anyway just thought id give you guys a meaningful update. Even if you go to the best of the best there is still a risk, like an infection. Do not take ANY risks and go somewhere sketchy, this could have gone VERY bad if I took a chance and went somewhere sketch. At least at the Paley institute they managed to keep it under control until It was OK for the rod to be removed.
Tomorrow I have a meeting with the medical team in Canada and we will discuss further plans to remove the other rods & evaluate my condition
Hopefully I get cleared to return to the gym tomorrow so I can continue working out legs because I was making decent progress before I had this rod removed
Will keep you guys updated!! If you guys have any experience in this matter leave a comment!
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That's tough luck MyEvolution. Canadian healthcare is indeed amazing and you're blessed to be eligible to receive it. I'm glad you're getting through this. You seem to have qualities of a good patient: optimism, hard work and listening to the doctors.
About Paley: He is a great doc no doubt, but in my humble opinion we should all refrain from calling anyone THE BEST. It goes against the principles of science. I also dislike how Paley repeatedly asserts his greatness every chance he gets. That's just odd. Most surgeries, most Precice nails implanted, yada yada yada. Father of LL. Taught everyone else LL. I guess it's true after all, but why state that so often?
The initial complication that required a rebreak was entirely their fault. And then there was an infection and they didn't detect it all through the distraction phase? Daily PT, weekly visits to Paley, x-rays taken and no one recognized it? Doesn't look good on them man. Doctors should spend more time with patients.
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How did you break your right tibia?
Keep your chin up, the rest will get better.
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What happened was my left tibia reached 6cm
And my right only made it to 4.8cm
So they told me listen either u shorten and be done
Or re break right
So obvs i re broke the right
And i continued to lengthen the left
I hit 8cm on my left
And then my right got stuck AGAIN at 6.2cm
So then i was forced pretty much to shorten my left by 1cm so they are almost the same length. I came in with my right a little longer actually didnt even know so it all worked out but thats why I re broke! There was no way i was giving up 3cm in gains lmao
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What happened was my left tibia reached 6cm
And my right only made it to 4.8cm
So they told me listen either u shorten and be done
Or re break right
So obvs i re broke the right
And i continued to lengthen the left
I hit 8cm on my left
And then my right got stuck AGAIN at 6.2cm
So then i was forced pretty much to shorten my left by 1cm so they are almost the same length. I came in with my right a little longer actually didnt even know so it all worked out but thats why I re broke! There was no way i was giving up 3cm in gains lmao
So how much did you lenghtened on both sides now?
There seemed to be many complications
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MyEvolution,
I wish you a good recovery.
Mind If you tell me what your wingspan/sitting height was?
Best Regards
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Hey guys been a while time for a meaningful update:
Ive always been transparent with you guys and theres something I need to tell you guys
You remember when I did that re break surgery in january? For those who dont know, i did tibs in september 2019, then in january 2020 i re broke my right tibia
When I did this, my leg got an infection
At the time i didnt think it was worth reporting because I thought it was only temporary
Anyway, for the last 6 months i’ve had an infection at one of my wound sites that hasnt gone away
I was told to take antibiotics to keep it at bay
It ruined my life honestly
I havnt been able to make much progress because of it
It used to keep me up at night, big red bump, drainage, and this entire summer was an L because I could not go swimming at all since I had an infection i cant get wet
Ive had nurses come see me every 2-3 days in Canada to take care of me thank god for the canadian health system
fast forward to 3 weeks ago, I had a flush surgery in canada where they removed the rod in the infected area & have been putting me on Vancomycin ever since
For some reason at the paley institute they were never able to identify the culture bacteria? But in Canada they identified it as CONS (coagulase negative staphylococcus). This infection is something that only usually happens from having a surgery specifically because the bacteria attached to the hardware. Now that the hardware has been removed i have 0 pain and am finally starting to make recovery progress again. I cant believe this infection has persisted till now. I am currently reaquired to have an IV picc line attached to my arm till october first maybe they can switch me to pill form?
Anyway just thought id give you guys a meaningful update. Even if you go to the best of the best there is still a risk, like an infection. Do not take ANY risks and go somewhere sketchy, this could have gone VERY bad if I took a chance and went somewhere sketch. At least at the Paley institute they managed to keep it under control until It was OK for the rod to be removed.
Tomorrow I have a meeting with the medical team in Canada and we will discuss further plans to remove the other rods & evaluate my condition
Hopefully I get cleared to return to the gym tomorrow so I can continue working out legs because I was making decent progress before I had this rod removed
Will keep you guys updated!! If you guys have any experience in this matter leave a comment!
sorry to hear that man
hope you have a speedy recovery
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Hey guys been a while time for a meaningful update:
Ive always been transparent with you guys and theres something I need to tell you guys
You remember when I did that re break surgery in january? For those who dont know, i did tibs in september 2019, then in january 2020 i re broke my right tibia
When I did this, my leg got an infection
At the time i didnt think it was worth reporting because I thought it was only temporary
Anyway, for the last 6 months i’ve had an infection at one of my wound sites that hasnt gone away
I was told to take antibiotics to keep it at bay
It ruined my life honestly
I havnt been able to make much progress because of it
It used to keep me up at night, big red bump, drainage, and this entire summer was an L because I could not go swimming at all since I had an infection i cant get wet
Ive had nurses come see me every 2-3 days in Canada to take care of me thank god for the canadian health system
fast forward to 3 weeks ago, I had a flush surgery in canada where they removed the rod in the infected area & have been putting me on Vancomycin ever since
For some reason at the paley institute they were never able to identify the culture bacteria? But in Canada they identified it as CONS (coagulase negative staphylococcus). This infection is something that only usually happens from having a surgery specifically because the bacteria attached to the hardware. Now that the hardware has been removed i have 0 pain and am finally starting to make recovery progress again. I cant believe this infection has persisted till now. I am currently reaquired to have an IV picc line attached to my arm till october first maybe they can switch me to pill form?
Anyway just thought id give you guys a meaningful update. Even if you go to the best of the best there is still a risk, like an infection. Do not take ANY risks and go somewhere sketchy, this could have gone VERY bad if I took a chance and went somewhere sketch. At least at the Paley institute they managed to keep it under control until It was OK for the rod to be removed.
Tomorrow I have a meeting with the medical team in Canada and we will discuss further plans to remove the other rods & evaluate my condition
Hopefully I get cleared to return to the gym tomorrow so I can continue working out legs because I was making decent progress before I had this rod removed
Will keep you guys updated!! If you guys have any experience in this matter leave a comment!
Hi MyEvolution,
I'm new to this site and to the world of limb lengthening. I have enjoyed reading your diary and want to thank you for being transparent. However, this incident of yours has me getting cold feet about limb lengthening. Was the re break due coming from yourself or the doctor? What is the likelihood of getting an infection through this procedure? Me personally, I just want to do femurs for 5cm with Stryde under Dr. Mahboubian. I want to be as safe as possible. I realize there will always be a risk, but from what I know people who do femurs make it through pretty easily. Do tibias cause more complications? This is also disappointing that this happened under Doctor Paley who is known as the godfather of this whole procedure. Should I be having second thoughts about this procedure even though I want to go the safest route possible?
Thanks
-brondo
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Hi Evolution, can I ask when they remove your rod 3 weeks ago, have they put in another new rod or they just remove it 100%, hope you recover soon
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MyEvolution,
I wish you a good recovery.
Mind If you tell me what your wingspan/sitting height was?
Best Regards
Man stop spamming this site with irrelevant questions and posts. If you have read both his diaries he has already mentioned it in the past. Go look for it
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I wish you the best of recovery MyEvolution. I would also encourage quick thinking by prospective patients.
Look out for complications and consult multiple doctors for a different point of view.
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Lmao this sounds crazy but lowkey I wish it was practical to do this a 3rd time
If I could do this again and had to pick id easily choose femurs and go from 5’10-5’11 —> 6’1-6’2
But my proportions would prob b all fked up
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Lmao this sounds crazy but lowkey I wish it was practical to do this a 3rd time
If I could do this again and had to pick id easily choose femurs and go from 5’10-5’11 —> 6’1-6’2
But my proportions would prob b all fked up
Hey MyEvo, I missed your post about your infection. I hope all is getting better now. One question tho
You said a month ago or so you might post pics? I would really love to see em!
Cheers man, I hope you are doing good well. 5'5 to 5'11 is no joke, honestly amazing. You are one of the most inspirational diaries on this site.
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yeah i rember your mid tibia distraction vid looked really good.
a final updaste would be siick
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Thanks for the amazing diary, MyEvolution.
I'm thinking about doing either femur or tibia, about 2 inches, with Dr. Paley but can't make up my mind which yet.
Are the scars very noticeable for both the femur and tibia? How do they compare?
Are they gradually progressing towards small scratches?
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Thanks for the amazing diary, MyEvolution.
I'm thinking about doing either femur or tibia, about 2 inches, with Dr. Paley but can't make up my mind which yet.
Are the scars very noticeable for both the femur and tibia? How do they compare?
Are they gradually progressing towards small scratches?
hey froggy
if youre really worried about scarring i would probably consider femurs as the scars are much less noticable and easier to hide
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Thanks wannabeidol. That's even if the tibia method is internal/stryde, right?
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Thanks wannabeidol. That's even if the tibia method is internal/stryde, right?
yeah its not just the number of incisions but also the placement
heres a vid of mahboubian doing a live vid ( warning for those that get squeemish)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko3OZzm35jk
if you get your tibs done you gotta pretty wear long pants for 2-3 years for the scars to heal nice
uv exposure can cause hyperpigmentation
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MyEvo--can you please check inbox? :)
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damn bro vancomycin is a pretty strong antibiotic, but if it kills the bacteria then its worth.
hoping for a speedy recovery
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Hi MyEvolution, how are you going now, hopefully you have a good recovery, please let us update, thanks
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Hey guys update
So i finished 6 weeks of Vancomycin
No more legs pains anymore at all
Infection is also gone
Hopefully everything keeps going good for another couple months
Back in the gym too doing squats and leg presses, dr robbins said my max limit is 300lb which i already been hitting lmao but whatever
They also said in a couple months they will remove the rest of the rods so hoping for that for a full recovery
Will keep you all updated
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Can you post a video of your Walking?
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Glad to hear you're recovering Evo. I guess LL will likely be a roller coaster for most and I will have to prepare for that!
I know you're from Canada so I would like to ask, how are you getting X-Rays done? I would like to lengthen part of it in Canada after my procedure but I'm not so sure how to obtain X-rays as it's been difficult to even obtain X-rays for my consultation as it was not prescribed by a Canadian Doctor even when I wanted to pay for it.
On top of that, would the Canada healthcare cover rod removal? Lol I know it's cosmetic, but is there a way?
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Hey ya for me they are removing the rods because I had an infection so now that I got my foot in the door with the canadian medical system they said they will remove the rods for me if its causing pain, which honestly i dont think you ever feel normal till rods come out
Update
When i first started this LL journey, my theory was that when I get taller i’ll get hotter women, have to try less etc when it comes to girls
Obvs not the only reason I did it but in that regard it was a theory
I can now say with certainty that yes my theory was correct
Last year when i was 5’7-5’8 I would get girls but honestly the girls i were seeing were okay
A couple were hot but they would test me soo much
This year the girls I am seeing are all hot as fk
It is a shame but the grass is indeed a lot greener
Im sure if there was a way to be 6’2 & I did it the grass would continue to get even greener but i have reached my genetic limit at this point and i am happy with a solid 5’11
Moving forward I need to learn to run again
I can kinda jog but not fully yet
Also I suck at hiking!! Everytime a girl suggests going for a hike I have to decline it because i turn into an old man when I have to go hiking
Hopefully that’ll come in time
Thank you guys for all your support means a lot
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There's a reason he's not going to divulge his sitting height.
I mean 5'4" which is 163 cm to 180 cm that is 5'11" is a difference of 17 cm or 7 inches of solely leg height.
He's completely screwed in terms of proportion just like Apotheosis and now has to wear long shirts forever to hide his freakishly small torso length accompanied with slenderman legs.
Not to mention a grim doleful fate consisting of arthritis in the near foreseeable future awaits him, I mean I hate to burst everyone's bubbles here but no one in their right mind should do what this guy did if they want to have non-crippling future ahead of them.
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There's a reason he's not going to divulge his sitting height.
I mean 5'4" which is 163 cm to 180 cm that is 5'11" is a difference of 17 cm or 7 inches of solely leg height.
He's completely screwed in terms of proportion just like Apotheosis and now has to wear long shirts forever to hide his freakishly small torso length accompanied with slenderman legs.
Not to mention a grim doleful fate consisting of arthritis in the near foreseeable future awaits him, I mean I hate to burst everyone's bubbles here but no one in their right mind should do what this guy did if they want to have non-crippling future ahead of them.
It doesn't seem like anyone commented on his proportions
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There's a reason he's not going to divulge his sitting height.
I mean 5'4" which is 163 cm to 180 cm that is 5'11" is a difference of 17 cm or 7 inches of solely leg height.
He's completely screwed in terms of proportion just like Apotheosis and now has to wear long shirts forever to hide his freakishly small torso length accompanied with slenderman legs.
Not to mention a grim doleful fate consisting of arthritis in the near foreseeable future awaits him, I mean I hate to burst everyone's bubbles here but no one in their right mind should do what this guy did if they want to have non-crippling future ahead of them.
that was rude Zucc. why dont you do leg length surgery "properly" and show us how its done? I learned so much from myevolution than from you. do you have any research paper to prove arthritis? if you are convinced about it then why are you even here bro?
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Lmaooo ded, prob the most ignorant thing ive ever read ngl
No one has ever commented on my proportions
I would actually say my proportions look way better now
When I was 5’5 my torso was like my whole body
If you go to page 1 or 2 u can see my first walking video at 5’5 and I looked like a pengiun cause i was pretty much just torso
Now that my legs are longer I just look more proper
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Lmaooo ded, prob the most ignorant thing ive ever read ngl
No one has ever commented on my proportions
I would actually say my proportions look way better now
When I was 5’5 my torso was like my whole body
If you go to page 1 or 2 u can see my first walking video at 5’5 and I looked like a pengiun cause i was pretty much just torso
Now that my legs are longer I just look more proper
thats wild man, rewatched that vid i defs you when you say your legs look more proportioned now!
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Hope everything is doing fine for you.
You have come a long way, would really appreciate any videos or photos of your final result.
Me at 163 cm would also love to do at least 12 cm with bilateral lengthening and your experience is an inspiration for me to do it.
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Lmaooo ded, prob the most ignorant thing ive ever read ngl
No one has ever commented on my proportions
I would actually say my proportions look way better now
When I was 5’5 my torso was like my whole body
If you go to page 1 or 2 u can see my first walking video at 5’5 and I looked like a pengiun cause i was pretty much just torso
Now that my legs are longer I just look more proper
What was your sitting height?
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There's a reason he's not going to divulge his sitting height.
I mean 5'4" which is 163 cm to 180 cm that is 5'11" is a difference of 17 cm or 7 inches of solely leg height.
He's completely screwed in terms of proportion just like Apotheosis and now has to wear long shirts forever to hide his freakishly small torso length accompanied with slenderman legs.
Not to mention a grim doleful fate consisting of arthritis in the near foreseeable future awaits him, I mean I hate to burst everyone's bubbles here but no one in their right mind should do what this guy did if they want to have non-crippling future ahead of them.
lol Jordan Peterson with his big 5 personality traits
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Any updates?
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Wow, I can't believe I never read MyEvo's whole journal before. It almost makes me want to try 6cm on tibs after femurs to hit a legit 183cm/6' lol. My sitting height is okay, but my wingspan is terrible so it's probably not a good idea for me. Hope you're doing well, MyEvo. Let us know when all your rods are out and how you feel then!
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Hi MyEvo,
I don't think we've seen your new proportions yet after your full recovery- I'm extremely curious how you look now and would kill for a picture haha
I think it would look pretty good considering your torso was massive in your earlier video of walking a few days after stryde femurs surgery and you looked pretty disproportionate and short legs BEFORE LL, so it must be alot better
Eagerly awaiting the great come back for pics.. though I'm sure you're enjoying life instead of staying on this forum like many vets do
Cheers
ghkid
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Hi my evolution....hope u r doing well in life and happy with ur new height....but out of curiosity and thinking over proportions i just wanna ask is ur height below 90cm or above 90cm....u don't need to put a specific no. but just this eld help🙂
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@My Evolution: I would advise you not to post pictures of your proportions. The reason is because many of the people on this forum have some level of body dysmorphia and will undoubtably judge you more than any normal person you would see irl. There was a guy would did quad lengthening and posted a bunch of pics in this forum. If you read his diary, you can see him go from happy with the way he looks to slowly internalizing comments from people on the forum, to self-conscious about his arms. I think he ended up borrowing $90K and spending it on cosmetic arm lengthening. If you are happy with the way you look, please spend your time, money, and energy on recovering your physical function.
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iamready is the user mentioned above
Apologies for asking for pictures.
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Nobody is asking for pics..just sitting heigh bro😒
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I can do sitting height for you guys tbh i just dont know how to measure it loool i only never really found that anyone cares about sitting height as much as people on this forum, for that reason I never gave it any mind
Girls dont give a f if when u sit ur shorter than them or their height but when you stand you’re towering over them lool no one cares
But ill do it if someone explains how? Do I just sit on a chair or what on the floor?
Also ya i wanna post a pic but i dnt wanna risk non needed exposure
My proportions are honestly sexy everytime I see my full figure in the mirror I love what I see
Whoever said I dnt like my proportions is just being insecure
My legs are slightly longer than my torso and it looks amazing :)
Only thing i gotta fix tbh is those scars
I just sorta started running now
I can post pics but I dnt know if its worth the pros & cons
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Are you worried about anonymity? Can block out the face. Or just don't post if you don't want people to comment on your proportions
And hi you're back welcome back
How's everything going? Athletic recovery hows it going bro
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I can do sitting height for you guys tbh i just dont know how to measure it loool i only never really found that anyone cares about sitting height as much as people on this forum, for that reason I never gave it any mind
Girls dont give a f if when u sit ur shorter than them or their height but when you stand you’re towering over them lool no one cares
But ill do it if someone explains how? Do I just sit on a chair or what on the floor?
Also ya i wanna post a pic but i dnt wanna risk non needed exposure
My proportions are honestly sxxy everytime I see my full figure in the mirror I love what I see
Whoever said I dnt like my proportions is just being insecure
My legs are slightly longer than my torso and it looks amazing :)
Only thing i gotta fix tbh is those scars
I just sorta started running now
I can post pics but I dnt know if its worth the pros & cons
Wow 2 years until you could start "sorta" running? That doesn't line up very well with Paley's 6-12 months recovery he preaches during consults/his PDFs.
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Yea 6months-1 yr is unrealistic
But also It hasnt been 2 years, its been since october 2019 cause I did it twice
But yea im estimating once my rods come out in 6months i’ll be back playing sports
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Screw the jealous ppl..hey man we are dying to see a picture or a video update...blur out your face...doesn't matter, bt we wanna see one...like movie's...pls pls s...
Best luck
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I can do sitting height for you guys tbh i just dont know how to measure it loool i only never really found that anyone cares about sitting height as much as people on this forum, for that reason I never gave it any mind
Girls dont give a f if when u sit ur shorter than them or their height but when you stand you’re towering over them lool no one cares
But ill do it if someone explains how? Do I just sit on a chair or what on the floor?
Also ya i wanna post a pic but i dnt wanna risk non needed exposure
My proportions are honestly sxxy everytime I see my full figure in the mirror I love what I see
Whoever said I dnt like my proportions is just being insecure
My legs are slightly longer than my torso and it looks amazing :)
Only thing i gotta fix tbh is those scars
I just sorta started running now
I can post pics but I dnt know if its worth the pros & cons
Hi ME,
Would you be able to PM me your proportion photos by any chance? I'm thinking about doing LL with Paley for the sole purpose of improving my proportions (I have a long torso) and would really like to see someone who did LL with him whose proportion improved afterwards. Thanks in advance!
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Yea 6months-1 yr is unrealistic
But also It hasnt been 2 years, its been since october 2019 cause I did it twice
But yea im estimating once my rods come out in 6months i’ll be back playing sports
Hi myevo, was it the dr's decision to take out the rods 2 yrs post op? Thats an awful lot of time, really thought 1 yr post op was the norm
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Hey man..
.it's been such a long time since ur last update...
How r u holding up? What's your status? How's life in general....
Really excited to hear from u!
Please do a good in depth update/video update....atleast pictures plsssss!
Best wishes!
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Wishing you the best dude! It's been so long since I've kept up with these forums but I'm 95% sure I know who you are and we met haha.
Honestly, only read the last 2 pages or so. But guys, and this wouldn't be the case with most humans, but this guy from the waist up looks like he's 5'10 - 6' when sitting down. He just happens to have the genetics. Probably looks more natural now than pre-LL.
Best of luck on a full recovery man.
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Hey my evolution did you have to undergo Achilles tendon lengthening? Read your diary but didn't find it anywhere
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Lmao where do you think we met ;)
Yea its true though! I remember pre LL some people were so SHOCKED that when I would stand up they’d be like wtf dude I thought you were like 6’
For anyone worrying about proportions, dont
I look way better now than I ever did before
Life is good
Only complaint is my tibia rod always gets inflammed im trying to get my rods all removed right now
I can kinda run but it causes too much inflammation so hopefully i can get these rods removed asap
Honestly if this wasnt so expensive I would probably do femurs again but I think i reached my safe limit
Im very happy with my height
Whenever people guess my height they all guess 5’11-6’
I measured my height at Paley’s at 5’10 but whatever I just say 5’11 ish
Paley has changed my life forever for the better, don’t think twice about doing this
But yes being an LL cripple def sucks for a while but better than staying short
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Im very happy with my height
Paley has changed my life forever for the better, don’t think twice about doing this
But yes being an LL cripple def sucks for a while but better than staying short
Really really happy for you man! That's amazing, congratulations on your new life.
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My evolution, I’ve read over your diary multiple times and you are truly an inspiration for me. Going from 5’4 to 5’11 is amazing and shows me that anything is possible if you work hard enough and never give up. Wishing you the best in your athletic recovery!
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Great journey. Your attitude towards girls and clubbing remind me of my early twenties. It's fun being like that but tiring haha. Thank you for the write up.
I'm 5'9. With lifts and thick Nike Air Max shoes I'm around 5'11.
There is definitely is a sweet spot around 5'10 where you'll suddenly gain more female attention. Short bros who can't get the surgery - once you reach your thirties people care less.
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Wouldn't you say that the height in the USA varies quite a bit from region to region? If you don't mind but do you live in a shorter region like Boston, NYC, Miami, LA?
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In the end how many cms did you reach in the Tibias? Why did your right tibia stopped? Was it early consolidation or just tightness?
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Hey bro any update? would love to see how you're walking now.
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My right stopped from early consolodation! Kinda sucks because i was flexible enough to keep going but it happens
Update:
I had my rods FINALLY removed on Thursday so ill give updates
Thursday: weak, limping, drowsy puking alot
Friday: I can barely walk, using my back alot
Penguin walking lots of limping
Saturday: walk is at 80% - decided to go out downtown didnt drink but my walk walk normal
Sunday: walk is 95% pretty much back to how I was before rod removal alread
I heard people take long to get back to normal after rod removal
Im guessing its because I was very active in the gym
I was squatting 45lb each side,
Glute drive was 270 (6 plates of 45) for
Leg press: 360lb
Ill keep you guys updated how my athletic performance progresses
Weird note all my friends are claiming I grew an inch?
They’re all like wtf did you gain an inch overnight
Does rod removal make you appear taller
Anyway great journey keep u guys posted
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The legend is back!
Great to hear you're doing better after removal.
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My right stopped from early consolodation! Kinda sucks because i was flexible enough to keep going but it happens
Update:
I had my rods FINALLY removed on Thursday so ill give updates
Thursday: weak, limping, drowsy puking alot
Friday: I can barely walk, using my back alot
Penguin walking lots of limping
Saturday: walk is at 80% - decided to go out downtown didnt drink but my walk walk normal
Sunday: walk is 95% pretty much back to how I was before rod removal alread
I heard people take long to get back to normal after rod removal
Im guessing its because I was very active in the gym
I was squatting 45lb each side,
Glute drive was 270 (6 plates of 45) for
Leg press: 360lb
Ill keep you guys updated how my athletic performance progresses
Weird note all my friends are claiming I grew an inch?
They’re all like wtf did you gain an inch overnight
Does rod removal make you appear taller
Anyway great journey keep u guys posted
Thanks for the update. How has life been After CLL? Has it helped with women, confidence etc? Any photos?
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I had mine removed fairly recently too, and while my legs were kinda weak the first few days, your body definitely feels better afterwards. The periodic aches I'd get, so far, all gone -- hope it stays that way.
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On the glass half full side: At least you know you are extremely unlikely to get a non-union. Now that is fantastic!
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Congrats on your journey @MYEVOLUTION. You're very blessed to accomplish what you've done and undoubtedly an inspiration for anyone trying to accomplish what you've done with your work ethic. You and Movie had top 5 diaries on here in my opinion . I feel like you in particular could gain the 6 inches you did and look better because your wingspan and torso looked bigger than your legs so im glad this really worked out for you but i don't think others would reach the same natural look you reached today. i could be wrong tho. One thing i want to ask you is since im not sure was isn't Paleys and other drs in the US safe limit for tibia lengthening 5 or 6 cm? I thought most dr dont allow patients to go over 6 cm or was i mistaken(anyone else knowledgable feel free to answer as well)? Hope you're doing great though @MYEVOLUTION.
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Just read through your whole journal. Congrats bro you did it!! 8) I'm planning on doing LL with Paley in three months.
I'm really curious what the scars look like. Could please you post some pictures of your scars on your tibias and femurs?
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He MyEvolution congrats on your new height!
Do you know how to search Option 5 cases through Paley's Institute website?
I typed limb lengthening surgery into the search blank and the results showed cases of limbal discrepency and even not CLL.
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There's two right here: https://limblengthening.org/testimonials/#before-and-after
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Surekhamma varalakomma
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Obviously I won't understand it because I'm not mentally ill and stupid enough to think the way you do.
Don't be judgemental since you are already talking in a forum riddled with wretches tortured by heights.
I am also willing to exchange one of my houses for Paley's quadrilateral lengthening so it's not a good move to judge others whether he is doing right or wrong.
If you are not feeling inferior about your height then this forum is not your classroom maybe it's time you got out of it.
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Can you post some pictures, videos with your walk?
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*Important progress update*
Just got back from PT & doctors appt i got a lot of info cleared up. The first myth i want to dispute is the whole losing function thing if you go past 7cm for tibias. Guys you don’t randomally just lose function. Loss of function mainly depends on two things: your gradual bone formation and your soft tissues.
1. If your bones are showing slow gradual filling
2. If you are flexible enough to easily bring your toes above 90 degrees into the 5-15 range. If you maintain that range until 8cm, they will let you go through 8. Based on averages and studies however, most people have shown that around 5cm they stop being able to get in that safe 5-15 degree range, and so they stop you. HOWEVER, if you are within that 5-15 degree range, they will let you keep going to 8 and NO you will NOT randomally lose function and all that bs years later. Paley’s team is the best, they will not allow you to develop ballerina. If you start developing ballerina, you’ve went past your safe limit and have began trading function for length
That being said, my assessemtn right now at 2.1 CM is unfortunately tighter than average :/ he said that i am at the lower end of normal which is not good. My new strategy now is to hit the board stretches EVERY HOUR. I cant afford to fool around anymore. With this new information that YES, if I am flexible enough i CAN SAFETLY HIT 8cm, its now me vs me
I will be setting an alarm to go off every hour and will stretch idc
Hopefully that fixed my situation I’ll keep you guys posted
THE ROAD TO 8CM SAFETLY IS NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE BUT MIGHT AS WEL TRY!!!
I willcertainly try Option 5 which to me is 'chemical therapy' for cancer patients and imo being short is worse than having cancers or AIDS so I will spare no efforts to give it a shot and I am even impavid towards being disabled not to mention ballerina.
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Does anyone know the current condition of MyEvolution? I have already read his diary.
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I am considering Dr Paley, so I really want to know the current status of My Evolution.
Hi! MyEvolution! Hope u can tell us your recovery after the rods removal. Your feedback helps us a lot.
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It would be great if you post your walking
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Any recent update?
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If you have recent imaging data please put it at this thread. Redact any information that could be used to dox you.
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I am considering Dr Paley, so I really want to know the current status of My Evolution.
Hi! MyEvolution! Hope u can tell us your recovery after the rods removal. Your feedback helps us a lot.
When are you thinking of having surgery with Paley?
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Sometimes I look back to this diary & It feels like a dream. I can’t believe I really went from 5’4 to around 5’11. I’ve ran into so many people, people my old height & just watch how hard life is for them. I cry inside wishing I could reach into their soul & offer a solution & tell them I know exactly how they feel. Ive gotten into arguments with many girls defending short guys as they try to ridicule them in my presence.
I am so glad I did this surgery & am even more glad I left a diary for everyone to refer to. My only regret is that I did not create a concise step by step program for everyone to follow. I have 1000’s of messages in my inbox so I am sorry to everyone I was not able to get back to, I hope you all hit your goals. I was having a convo today with my brother & he suggested I make an actual “course” on how to max out on your length goals safely. If I followed through with this, would you be interested in paying for it? If so, how much would it be worth to you? This will help me figure out how much time to spend on it, although I do plan on making it as simple as possible
Thanks, love you all
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I should post a video for you guys of my atheltic ability now to really wrap this up
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Hey @MyEvolution thanks for the diary. 2 questions:
(1) Did you do arms? If not how do you feel about the proportion? Any comments?
(2) If someone could rebreak at 5'8 to get to 5'10 would you recommend it to them? Is the whole downtime of the process x2 worth it?
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I was having a convo today with my brother & he suggested I make an actual “course” on how to max out on your length goals safely. If I followed through with this, would you be interested in paying for it? If so, how much would it be worth to you? This will help me figure out how much time to spend on it, although I do plan on making it as simple as possible
Thanks, love you all
absolutely no one will pay for your course, thanks. More than enough info on the forum and on the wider internet.
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Does the quadrilateral, lengthen by 1mm / 0.75mm per day (femur/tibia)? or only 0.75 mm / 0.5 mm per day?