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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: yyes on October 07, 2017, 03:44:59 AM
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So a few months ago, I posted a thread asking if Limb Lengthening was worth it and if it would dramatically improve my life. The thing that triggered that post is that there is a girl that I liked and she rejected me. Initially, I attributed it to my height and my looks and I figured, if I could be a bit taller, then I would have gotten here.
I was dead wrong.
Today I found out that this girl is dating a guy that is 5'5 and is below average in the looks department when it comes to the face. The only reason I am posting this is because sometimes we think that doing this procedure will improve our dating life. And perhaps it will. However, this situation proves that not all girls are shallow. She is actually a very pretty woman. So not all girls are shallow and sometimes they look more at other things such as:
How does the guy make her feel?
Does she find him weird?
Is he funny?
Etc.
Just some food for thought guys. Sorry to ramble.
Also, this doesnt mean that I am not getting the procedure. I still might but i know that its not all about the height.
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You are right and you are wrong.
Yes there are definitely girls that don't care about height as much. But it's a numbers game. There are more girls that do care about height than those that don't.
In my own experience I have dated a good amount of really attractive women and in all cases I was the shortest guy they have ever dated at 168cm. This tells me that yes you are right, even if a women are attracted to taller men, they can overlook the height when there are other redeeming qualities. I hate the fat girl/short guy analogy but it has its merits. Some guys would overlook a woman's weight for other redeeming qualities but there are more guys that wouldn't than would.
That being said, I'm glad you've come to this epiphany and I wish you only happiness.
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You are right and you are wrong.
Yes there are definitely girls that don't care about height as much. But it's a numbers game. There are more girls that do care about height than those that don't.
In my own experience I have dated a good amount of really attractive women and in all cases I was the shortest guy they have ever dated at 168cm. This tells me that yes you are right, even if a women are attracted to taller men, they can overlook the height when there are other redeeming qualities. I hate the fat girl/short guy analogy but it has its merits. Some guys would overlook a woman's weight for other redeeming qualities but there are more guys that wouldn't than would.
That being said, I'm glad you've come to this epiphany and I wish you only happiness.
Agree. To give an exmaple - I was dating an estern europen girl way out of my league just because she knew I make $150k (too much from estern europen standards) and I used to spedn a lot of money on her, when I stopped pedning and asked her to marry she became reluctant, then fight ensued and she called me 'midget' , so you know. Same kind of thing with another Indian girl, after meeting me she said you are good looking (and I am, I look like jason statham) but I would prefer someone taller even if the guy is average looking because I like tall guys (I am 5'5"). so..
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and to cheer up all short guys here - Victoria Silvstedt (my dream girl) is dating an almost midget (but rich, though not very rich) guy, she left her 6'1" husband to be with this guy , Mena suvari is dating a 4'10" guy (not rich), so love happens between short and atractive tall women but that is exception not norm.
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Yves if you think that because one girl is not superficial about height the majority of women are like that then you'll soon hurt again from another girl.
Height is the number 1 factor in a man's appearance. When a woman talks to her friends about a new guy the first they are asking is if he is tall. Not handsome, not built, not dark or blonde, tall.
So it is very important and that won't change from one girl's choice.
So if you really feel ok with yourself then good for you and forget LL.
But if you think from the example you mentioned that height is not very important then you'll soon regret and want to do LL again.
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The only reason she is with him is for the money. Once the money leaves she'll leave. This is almost always the case when you see an attractive girl with a short guy. Oh well.
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So are most people in this thread regulars at r/incel and r/foreveralone? Sure seems like it.
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So are most people in this thread regulars at r/incel and r/foreveralone? Sure seems like it.
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I have sent you a Pm.Please check it out
I don't have one from you in my inbox. Resend it and I'll take a look.
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The only reason she is with him is for the money. Once the money leaves she'll leave. This is almost always the case when you see an attractive girl with a short guy. Oh well.
Not all short guys are rich though (I wish).
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I think some of you guys are completely wrong.
I think height is ABSOLUTELY NOT the first thing that women look for.
Yes if you are below 1.70 height might be a problem but if you are taller than like 1.72-1.73, I can pretty surely say that if a girl is not particularly obsessed with height there will be almost no difference for her between a 1.75 guy and a 1.85 guy if she is not taller than him. There are much more important things like self-confidence, face, voice, success or talent to impress a girl.
As a 1.70 guy, I dated lots of girls you would give 10/10 and my girlfriend is way hotter than the models to those you jerk off.
If you are +1.75 quit this forum and live your life.
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Yes at 175cm and above you are fine but below that it's a real problem. You did not date any models at 5'7 unless you are either rich, very good looking,or famous.
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I think some of you guys are completely wrong.
I think height is ABSOLUTELY NOT the first thing that women look for.
Yes if you are below 1.70 height might be a problem but if you are taller than like 1.72-1.73, I can pretty surely say that if a girl is not particularly obsessed with height there will be almost no difference for her between a 1.75 guy and a 1.85 guy if she is not taller than him. There are much more important things like self-confidence, face, voice, success or talent to impress a girl.
As a 1.70 guy, I dated lots of girls you would give 10/10 and my girlfriend is way hotter than the models to those you jerk off.
If you are +1.75 quit this forum and live your life.
it depends, I know there are may girls who would want even taller guys or lets say given the option they will go for the taller guy. Also, if you are not white (I am not, I think you are) - then you are even at more disadvantage - from what I have seen girls are more forgiving to white guys in lack/shortage on looks (including height) department then minorities , especially if you are a colored guy you have to have much better looks then a white guy to get same quality of girl.
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Yes at 175cm and above you are fine but below that it's a real problem. You did not date any models at 5'7 unless you are either rich, very good looking, or famous.
I'm very good looking actually.
But I will give you an example. I have a friend who is 168 and he is around 75kg, no muscle, fat belly. BUT he has the gift of gab. His dialog is incredibly good with any kind of person and he is a really nice guy. I've seen him date tons of beautiful women and he made many women fell in love with him and none of them ever mentioned that he is short. He is not rich not good looking not famous, he only handles the conversation so good. He is so confident with his height that he always wears flat shoes cause he thinks it looks better.
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it depends, I know there are may girls who would want even taller guys or lets say given the option they will go for the taller guy. Also, if you are not white (I am not, I think you are) - then you are even at more disadvantage - from what I have seen girls are more forgiving to white guys in lack/shortage on looks (including height) department then minorities , especially if you are a colored guy you have to have much better looks then a white guy to get same quality of girl.
I'm white and from Turkey man. You are right, if there is an option they will go for the taller guy unless the shorter is better looking, has a sexier body or famous or smarter or more talented or better a conversationer or richer or has a bigger dck or...
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I'm very good looking actually.
But I will give you an example. I have a friend who is 168 and he is around 75kg, no muscle, fat belly. BUT he has the gift of gab. His dialog is incredibly good with any kind of person and he is a really nice guy. I've seen him date tons of beautiful women and he made many women fell in love with him and none of them ever mentioned that he is short. He is not rich not good looking not famous, he only handles the conversation so good. He is so confident with his height that he always wears flat shoes cause he thinks it looks better.
Yes see now it makes sense. You are good with women because you have a very good face which is actually way more important than height for dating women. A good face cannot be achieved through plastic surgery usually because when someone gets plastic surgery done on their face it looks fake and obvious.
With a good surgeon you can get a better face with plastic surgery but you really need to research and delve into the details of the procedure.
There are exceptions to the rule sometimes and someone who is not conventionally attractive can be considered good with women. Does your friend happen to be rich?
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Yes see now it makes sense. You are good with women because you have a very good face which is actually way more important than height for dating women. A good face cannot be achieved through plastic surgery usually because when someone gets plastic surgery done on their face it looks fake and obvious.
With a good surgeon you can get a better face with plastic surgery but you really need to research and delve into the details of the procedure.
There are exceptions to the rule sometimes and someone who is not conventionally attractive can be considered good with women. Does your friend happen to be rich?
No, he wasn't rich, just middle income. Maybe the reason is that here in Turkey there is a huge problem of communication between young men and women. A Huge part of pick up tentatives ends up with failure because Turkish women are usually much much harder than European or American women to get laid with. I guess my friend is one of the rare guys that can pass the ultimate "anti-talk with strangers or anti-be picked up" shelter of them.
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Yes see now it makes sense. You are good with women because you have a very good face which is actually way more important than height for dating women. A good face cannot be achieved through plastic surgery usually because when someone gets plastic surgery done on their face it looks fake and obvious.
With a good surgeon you can get a better face with plastic surgery but you really need to research and delve into the details of the procedure.
There are exceptions to the rule sometimes and someone who is not conventionally attractive can be considered good with women. Does your friend happen to be rich?
Face is more important than height only if you are above average.
If you are short then even if you look like Adones you'll still have much less successes that an average looking tall guy.
Women want to feel protected, not to be with men like Ken the doll. Thus they want tall and big guys even if they are not very handsome. Being masculine and have a big body is enough.
Having a good face is of course important but not more than being taller than average.
I have a very good face that have been coplimented many times from women but I'd still prefer to trade my face and have a more average one with 10cm on height and have the same built body I have right now.
I would have many women more than now and I am completely sure about it.
But thanks god I don't need to trade anything because with a new LL I will be as I want.
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Face is more important than height only if you are above average.
If you are short then even if you look like Adones you'll still have much less successes that an average looking tall guy.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/19/2347CC0B00000578-0-image-126_1416361037355.jpg)
Tell that to this 5'7 guy called the "Sexiest Man Alive" just because of his face.
"Hey Tom, you had much less successes with women that an average looking tall guy, right?"
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/Tom-Cruise-crazy-laugh.gif)
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(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/19/2347CC0B00000578-0-image-126_1416361037355.jpg)
Tell that to this 5'7 guy called the "sxxiest Man Alive" just because of his face.
"Hey Tom, you had much less successes with women that an average looking tall guy, right?"
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/Tom-Cruise-crazy-laugh.gif)
Last time I checked we we're movie stars and it isn't 1990...
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Last time I checked we we're movie stars and it isn't 1990...
Thank you Captain Obvious ;D
I could have chosen a completely unknown guy to illustrate my point (face being a more important asset that average height) but my experience here tells me what would have happened: "No, you are lying... Under 5'9 no girl will look at you EVER... I am a handsome blue eyed muscular wealthy and winged 5'8 and I fail at clubs... if you are 6'2 you will have hundreds of girls even if you are fat and ugly..." Incelism is at its highest these days, brah.
You can change Tom Cruise for Zac Efron or Gael García Bernal if the timestamp is important for you.
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I don't endorse people getting LL for women, but I don't judge since I don't find my motives much better either, but let me ask you all, are you people insane?
What is with this "you won't get a decent women unless you are above...", "women dating men under 5'8 have ulterior motives", "when it comes to dating, height comes first"?!?!
Let me break it down for you all, FACE WILL ALWAYS COME FIRST:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003347207000565
You success with women won't increase after limb lengthening surgery if your face is below average, so keep that in mind if your only goal for getting LL is women. If you are not successful with women now, not much will change after LL. Sorry to tell you, but it is not your height that is holding you back.
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While face is clearly more important and that is well established, height remains an essential factor in determining whether a woman finds an individual attractive.
Also the man you posted is wealthy and a celebrity consequently without those two things he is completely useless.
Women are repulsed by short men without status and money.
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While face is clearly more important and that is well established, height remains an essential factor in determining whether a woman finds an individual attractive.
Also the man you posted is wealthy and a celebrity consequently without those two things he is completely useless.
Women are repulsed by short men without status and money.
Are you referring to Tom Cruise?
If you believe that women are repulsed by good looking short men with no status/fame, you are beyond salvaging. Just got for LL, brother, and let's hope you will feel better about yourself in the future.
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I don't endorse people getting LL for women, but I don't judge since I don't find my motives much better either, but let me ask you all, are you people insane?
What is with this "you won't get a decent women unless you are above...", "women dating men under 5'8 have ulterior motives", "when it comes to dating, height comes first"?!?!
Let me break it down for you all, FACE WILL ALWAYS COME FIRST:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003347207000565
You success with women won't increase after limb lengthening surgery if your face is below average, so keep that in mind if your only goal for getting LL is women. If you are not successful with women now, not much will change after LL. Sorry to tell you, but it is not your height that is holding you back.
I think one choose to do surgery first of all to defeat his body dysphoria.Dating should be way secondary
Now speaking of women,it is true that they prefer an average (both face and height) guy on a good looking short guy.I have seen it a lot of times,it is well documented.
Woment want to feel safe and protected and they associate this with height.It is stupid(because a short muscular guy could be way stronger than a tall skinny guy) but it is the harsh truth.
If you're very ugly,it is obvious that LL won't improve anything.
But if you are average looking,there will be improvements.Figure out if you're short and good looking.
This is the situation and personally I agree with user Bodybuilder and others
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Now speaking of women,it is true that they prefer an average (both face and height) guy on a good looking short guy.I have seen it a lot of times,it is well documented.
I have seen the opposite, unless you are talking of a really, really short guy. And... "documented"? I'm curious, what do you mean with "documented"?
As a contribution to lldude's article:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11833-the-face-not-the-body-attracts-a-mate/#.VXSngUagy8g
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I have seen the opposite, unless you are talking of a really, really short guy. And... "documented"? I'm curious, what do you mean with "documented"?
As a contribution to lldude's article:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11833-the-face-not-the-body-attracts-a-mate/#.VXSngUagy8g
I read your article.It is clearly stated that among the partecipants of the study "some saw ony the face" and "some saw only the body". It is obvious that when women will see ONLY the face,they will choose the better one.
But in real life this won't happen since we value face+body.
It is clearly an useless study since when men/women choose their partner,they have an overall opinion on both body and face.
Height is synonymous of masculinity and protection.Women seek that since they feel beauty is a female prerogative.It is an ancestral thought
With "documented" i mean also the infinite Youtube videos which are more reliable than those " studies ".
Look at them,usually guys ask them which one prefer,also often ask them if they would prefer a short handsome guy or a tall average guy.The majority says the second one
But I don't need youtube videos for knowing that,I see this everyday in my life's experience
Edit: here a link of an opposite study www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2557540/Height-DOES-matters-Women-want-men-taller-make-feel-protected-feminine.html
There are tons of studies like this,way more reliable than the less half page that you've linked
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We all know that height matters to a certain extent but there are also other factors you have to consider too. You shouldn't do this surgery just for women thinking you're going to get a lot more girls as not much will change. Getting rid of height dysphoria should be the main reason to do ll.
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I read your article.It is clearly stated that among the partecipants of the study "some saw ony the face" and "some saw only the body". It is obvious that when women will see ONLY the face,they will choose the better one.
But in real life this won't happen since we value face+body.
It is clearly an useless study since when men/women choose their partner,they have an overall opinion on both body and face.
Height is synonymous of masculinity and protection.Women seek that since they feel beauty is a female prerogative.It is an ancestral thought
With "documented" i mean also the infinite Youtube videos which are more reliable than those " studies ".
Look at them,usually guys ask them which one prefer,also often ask them if they would prefer a short handsome guy or a tall average guy.The majority says the second one
But I don't need youtube videos for knowing that,I see this everyday in my life's experience
Edit: here a link of an opposite study www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2557540/Height-DOES-matters-Women-want-men-taller-make-feel-protected-feminine.html
There are tons of studies like this,way more reliable than the less half page that you've linked
Wow, you found a study that proves that height matters. Impressive!
Sadly, nobody is discussing that height matters. We all know that, and that's why we are planning to break our legs, for fks sake. We are saying that a "shortish" man (not a midget) with a beautiful face usually have more success with ladies than a ugly, average height guy.
The article does not address that question, as far as I know (I have to admit that I didn't read it carefully because I'm not very fond of British tabloids... Actually, I would be really skeptical of anything coming from such a "source")
However, I found this interesting:
In contrast, nearly half of the women – 48.9 per cent – wanted to date only men taller than they are.
So more than half of women would actually date a man shorter than they are? ???
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(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/19/2347CC0B00000578-0-image-126_1416361037355.jpg)
Tell that to this 5'7 guy called the "sxxiest Man Alive" just because of his face.
"Hey Tom, you had much less successes with women that an average looking tall guy, right?"
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/Tom-Cruise-crazy-laugh.gif)
It is really stupid to compare Cruz with an average man.
Still, the najority of women refer to him as short and he would be considered much better if he was at least average height.
Finally, Hollywood in the first years promoted Cruz for 5.10-11 height before it was knows he is short.
That's a proof of how important is height even to a handsome and famous man.
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It is really stupid to compare Cruz with an average man.
Still, the najority of women refer to him as short and he would be considered much better if he was at least average height.
Finally, Hollywood in the first years promoted Cruz for 5.10-11 height before it was knows he is short.
That's a proof of how important is height even to a handsome and famous man.
Who the hell is "Cruz"?
Whatever. You are again changing the subject. No one is discussing that height is important for a man, no matter if he is a celebrity or not. We are discussing face being a more important asset than height, or viceversa.
Be honest: do you think that Cruise would have achieved his sex symbol status if he was an average height (or even tall) man with an average face?
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I have not read this thread but I bet there is one post by Body Builder where he says that height is absolutely super important to all women.
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I don't endorse people getting LL for women, but I don't judge since I don't find my motives much better either, but let me ask you all, are you people insane?
What is with this "you won't get a decent women unless you are above...", "women dating men under 5'8 have ulterior motives", "when it comes to dating, height comes first"?!?!
Let me break it down for you all, FACE WILL ALWAYS COME FIRST:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003347207000565
You success with women won't increase after limb lengthening surgery if your face is below average, so keep that in mind if your only goal for getting LL is women. If you are not successful with women now, not much will change after LL. Sorry to tell you, but it is not your height that is holding you back.
I agree. But my point is that there are even beautiful girls that dont care about either. I imagine its extremely rare and maybe I have the worst luck ever but the guy this girl is dating is about 5'5, below average face, and lives with his parents. However, he does have one thing going for him, hes extremely religious.
And so is she and she was looking for that type of man and found him. So I guess there are other factors involved.
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I have not read this thread but I bet there is one post by Body Builder where he says that height is absolutely super important to all women.
Lol. Spot on.
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In movies it's sometimes better to have short actors because they can fit into the scene and shot. But in real life being short is unequivocally not preferred.
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The benefit of being a man is that you can impress woman with your personality. This however requires that you look at least normal and this includes the height, meaning you should be at least 168cm.
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I have not read this thread but I bet there is one post by Body Builder where he says that height is absolutely super important to all women.
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Who the hell is "Cruz"?
Whatever. You are again changing the subject. No one is discussing that height is important for a man, no matter if he is a celebrity or not. We are discussing face being a more important asset than height, or viceversa.
Be honest: do you think that Cruise would have achieved his sxx symbol status if he was an average height (or even tall) man with an average face?
No.
But he wouldn't achieve it either if women knew from the biginning that he is a less than 5.7 tall man.
Short men never become sex symbols. The same with fat women.
@Iwannabetaller: I'd have been stupid to broke my legs and plan to broke them again if I didn't believe that height is the most important factor in a man's appearance.
After all I have a good face and 48 cm arms and still many average facialy and bodily but tall men I know have more successes than me with women without great effort.
This is the best proof for me of the great importance of height.
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The benefit of being a man is that you can impress woman with your personality. This however requires that you look at least normal and this includes the height, meaning you should be at least 168cm.
168cm? You must be joking. The minimum these days is about 173cm or 175cm depending on the country.
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No.
But he wouldn't achieve it either if women knew from the biginning that he is a less than 5.7 tall man.
Short men never become sxx symbols. The same with fat women.
@Iwannabetaller: I'd have been stupid to broke my legs and plan to broke them again if I didn't believe that height is the most important factor in a man's appearance.
After all I have a good face and 48 cm arms and still many average facialy and bodily but tall men I know have more successes than me with women without great effort.
This is the best proof for me of the great importance of height.
Tom Cruise is only considered attractive because of his money and fame. Without those two entities Mr. Cruise would not be considered attractive to women. Especially in modern times.
Being a short man under 175cm is comparable to being a fat woman in modern society. Also please keep in mind that fat women are treated like in the workplace as are short man. There are so many apparent similarities between the two body types that it is apt to say that they are both commensurate.
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Also Tom Cruise is 172cm which is taller than most members of this forum before leg lengthening anyway.
https://www.celebheights.com/s/Tom-Cruise-3.html
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Also Tom Cruise is 172cm which is taller than most members of this forum before leg lengthening anyway.
https://www.celebheights.com/s/Tom-Cruise-3.html
He is not. Celebheights is wrong on him and he used to have him as 5.65, I don't know why it changed it. He is definitely less than 5.7 otherwise he wouldn't have considered short.
Zac Effron who is 1.73 and is about average has never called short in media but Cruise is, again and again.
So 1.72 is wrong.
1.68-9 is the reality.
And yes, 1.68 is not an acceptable height for a man in the west. Nothing less than 1.70 is and nothing less than 1.75 is respectable.
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I have not read this thread but I bet there is one post by Body Builder where he says that height is absolutely super important to all women.
You win
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He is not. Celebheights is wrong on him and he used to have him as 5.65, I don't know why it changed it. He is definitely less than 5.7 otherwise he wouldn't have considered short.
Zac Effron who is 1.73 and is about average has never called short in media but Cruise is, again and again.
So 1.72 is wrong.
1.68-9 is the reality.
And yes, 1.68 is not an acceptable height for a man in the west. Nothing less than 1.70 is and nothing less than 1.75 is respectable.
5'8 is still short for young people these days. The average height for white men in the United States is 5'10.5" and that is the western standard. Anything under 5'9 is short and anything under 5'7 is not acceptable for dating. 5'11 and above is a respectable height. This is just my opinion.
But over 5'9 and you are no longer going to experience "heightism"
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I have not read this thread but I bet there is one post by Body Builder where he says that height is absolutely super important to all women.
lmaoooooo ;D ;D ;D
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I think heightism is also regional. If you go to the bigger cities, girls seem to care more about money. I think it also has to do with safety of the region, in countries like Korea and Japan, girls care about height but not muscle I think because it is so safe there and people are very polite. In North America, there's more variety of people, and has the dog-eat-dog attitude. There's also more severe crime related to drugs and firearms so I think girls find security in big burly guys. And yes there maybe exceptions but I'm starting to feel that even if you marry someone that's truly great, with everybody getting divorced, when that person leaves you are screwed if you don't have either money or looks to meet someone new when I'm older.
Everyone on here probably already know/noticed that taller people are treated nicer and they are not even aware of how those treat others like garbage. Did anyone ever notice that among their group of friends, it was always the tallest guy who had a girlfriend? I didn't even notice this until another friend pointed this out. It's bad enough that tv actors have to lie about their height to get fame, and with people spending less time together and more time alone and hooked up to TV or internet they are only exposed to tall, beautiful, fit people so their idea of what average is completely warped. Average height has been 5'9 5'10 for decades because human beings don't evolve that fast but female expectation of male height was 6ft and now they want 6'2. c'mon?? I always wanted to do leg lengthening to get girls but didn't go through with it until one day. What tipped me over is I started work and two tall and probably more fat than muscle guys at work started to bully me. They were the two biggest guys probably 6'2 and 6'4 and ~250 at work. They had seniority so I couldn't confront them, and I didn't feel it manly to go seek help from management. I probably would have stayed given the years of abuse I took and got used to over my life, but one day they put me down for no reason in front of everyone including a girl I was interested in (probably some mutual interest too). I didn't act, and totally lost respect for myself. I felt like I was gonna get my asskicked to be brutally honest. I quit my job and got leg lengthening. I told myself even if I die doing this, I'll do it because I couldn't live life like this. When I get back to doing my career, I told myself I wouldn't let this happen to me again, and frankly, even with all this feminism bs, I want to be a man and protect my loved ones. I told myself I would take whatever to get stronger and more intimidating than before. I hope this crap works.
So yeah, my rant.
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one day they put me down for no reason in front of everyone including a girl I was interested in (probably some mutual interest too). I didn't act, and totally lost respect for myself. I felt like I was gonna get my asskicked to be brutally honest.
I appreciate the honesty and vulnerability but I will be straight with you. You let them treat you that way. They put you down because you were (past tense not present) the type of guy that lets others put them down. You could have nipped it in the bud as soon as soon as it started. Not to get all "tough guy" on you but death before dishonor bro. There's no shame in getting your ass whooped, there is shame in letting people walk all over you though. Don't take abuse from anyone.
Please don't take all of this as an insult though trust me literally everyone has had moments where they let fear/insecurity get the best of them. And I know that I haven't said anything that you haven't already realized yourself. I can tell you've have enough of bull and your ready to start kicking ass and taking names. I'm excited for you.
The point of all of this though, is that it was never about the height. Yea you may be treated worse initially when someone first meets you, but immediately after that, you get treated exactly how you let people treat you.
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I've been told this before and I want to set boundaries but I felt that it was either I get fired from confronting them and taking it to the point of fighting (ie. causing trouble at work, probably discipline and fired) or I walk out and try to find another job. I think the bullies always prey on this too. Bullies don't pick fights with people bigger than them, they always pick on the vulnerable, either physically or in a lower position. I was both. I, at least I think, never so much as say anything bad about others and just want to focus on my work because of I've been bullied alot. I know I need to find a midpoint between fighting and not doing anything, but I don't even know what I'm supposed to do to not let them walk all over me. I'm not the best with words and don't even like talking alot and never badmouth people behind their backs (what people do all the time at work). The best I feel like I can do is keep them off me with size (intimidation factor) without losing my job. It sucks that alot of people are not reasonable and push until they hit people's boundaries.
Death before dishonor would be ideal but I feel people that bully others - what's to say they won't purposely jab you in the eye and you go blind?
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I think heightism is also regional. If you go to the bigger cities, girls seem to care more about money. I think it also has to do with safety of the region, in countries like Korea and Japan, girls care about height but not muscle I think because it is so safe there and people are very polite. In North America, there's more variety of people, and has the dog-eat-dog attitude. There's also more severe crime related to drugs and firearms so I think girls find security in big burly guys. And yes there maybe exceptions but I'm starting to feel that even if you marry someone that's truly great, with everybody getting divorced, when that person leaves you are screwed if you don't have either money or looks to meet someone new when I'm older.
Everyone on here probably already know/noticed that taller people are treated nicer and they are not even aware of how those treat others like garbage. Did anyone ever notice that among their group of friends, it was always the tallest guy who had a girlfriend? I didn't even notice this until another friend pointed this out. It's bad enough that tv actors have to lie about their height to get fame, and with people spending less time together and more time alone and hooked up to TV or internet they are only exposed to tall, beautiful, fit people so their idea of what average is completely warped. Average height has been 5'9 5'10 for decades because human beings don't evolve that fast but female expectation of male height was 6ft and now they want 6'2. c'mon?? I always wanted to do leg lengthening to get girls but didn't go through with it until one day. What tipped me over is I started work and two tall and probably more fat than muscle guys at work started to bully me. They were the two biggest guys probably 6'2 and 6'4 and ~250 at work. They had seniority so I couldn't confront them, and I didn't feel it manly to go seek help from management. I probably would have stayed given the years of abuse I took and got used to over my life, but one day they put me down for no reason in front of everyone including a girl I was interested in (probably some mutual interest too). I didn't act, and totally lost respect for myself. I felt like I was gonna get my asskicked to be brutally honest. I quit my job and got leg lengthening. I told myself even if I die doing this, I'll do it because I couldn't live life like this. When I get back to doing my career, I told myself I wouldn't let this happen to me again, and frankly, even with all this feminism bs, I want to be a man and protect my loved ones. I told myself I would take whatever to get stronger and more intimidating than before. I hope this crap works.
So yeah, my rant.
Why is there such a primal/cynical view in this forum about how life is like today? Especially in America, we don't live in a world where you have to depend on just physical appearance/ability. We are not fking cavemen anymore, we've created society specifically for this reason. Do you really think a scientist, doctor, etc, has to depend on their appearance to survive? This isn't a post-apocalyptic world mate; girls aren't looking for someone to save them every second .
Nice people are treated nice. People who have status (money and intelligence) are looked up too regardless of their physical appearance. Unless you're not human, if you have fame, money, or high intelligence everyone respects that.
No.
No one does this wtf. Sure it contributes to getting roles if you meet a specific physical appearance. However, you're already starting with a crap/stupid assumption.
What kind of a crap work environment/alternate world were you living in?? Why the fk didn't you talk to management about it? To feel like you were going to be physically assaulted (as you imply) is in no way ok in a civilized world. I'm genuinely sorry you went through that, I really am because it sounds like a nightmare scenario. But you should have done something about it, those fat fks needed to be disciplined for it. And say if they weren't, then honestly you shouldn't have worked their anymore. But more than anything, you shouldn't have let them get to you like that.
Let me tell you upfront, that's not gonna work. One you're no longer as physically fit/agile as before, so if you actually get in a confrontation, you're pretty fked. Second, you already lost. You let them get to you and you did something pretty drastic. If they know what you did they will mock you even more and you'll never hear the end of it.
But looking into the future, if you're perspective on life is constant physical (or implied) confrontations, then you're already living a pretty crapty life tbh. I don't know what your career is, but I advice changing tracks now, and changing mindsets.
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Hey thanks for your input ALU although it hurts. I think its instinct that tells all of us to bite through it and things will get better, I did for years. I say I got bullied for years but I "beat" all the bullies in every social measure by becoming extremely successful while those guys became massage therapists (no offense) and drug addicts. But guess what, that new level had its own bullies. Winning or losing, I'm too old to care. I don't want to fight, I just want them to stop bothering me so I can do my job and get married. I looked around me, and nobody that was pretty big either muscular or tall got bullied. I'm trying to do both. I weight 190 pounds now.
Also, I don't understand the part about constant confrontations. How did you know?
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Also, I don't understand the part about constant confrontations. How did you know?
He means that you see life as a series of confrontations where you need to constantly be on the defense if you don't want to get stepped on. You are literally preparing for it (your words). If your walking through life feeling like everyone is going to bully and that's what your going to attract. You are right about bullies attacking the vulnerable, but's its not physically vulnerable, its the vibe you give out, its how you carry yourself.
It's a ty life because you can never relax. Your trying to make yourself like stone so you don't get crushed, but you need to be like water, relaxed and confident knowing you are ok where ever you are. Be zen. Chill. And if you need to slap a dude (98% if the time it will be a verbal slap) for stepping over the line then do it. Then go back to flowing, like water down a river.
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Why is there such a primal/cynical view in this forum about how life is like today?
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height is important for everyone under 6'.
After around 6-6'1, not so much. Women just want a tall man. You wont catch them checking out a taller man, just because hes taller. It balances the playing field a lot.
Now if you are below average-average-slightly above avg in height, you're not considered tall. Hence, women will always look at tall men as dominant.
Its like if your girl has a nice butt. Would you really look at a girl with a nicer butt and be checking her out like youve never seen it before?
Now lets say if your girl doesnt have a nice butt. And then theres a girl with a very nice butt. Im sure your eyes would wander and you would check her out.
Its same with height.
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height is important for everyone under 6'.
After around 6-6'1, not so much. Women just want a tall man. You wont catch them checking out a taller man, just because hes taller. It balances the playing field a lot.
Now if you are below average-average-slightly above avg in height, you're not considered tall. Hence, women will always look at tall men as dominant.
Its like if your girl has a nice butt. Would you really look at a girl with a nicer butt and be checking her out like youve never seen it before?
Now lets say if your girl doesnt have a nice butt. And then theres a girl with a very nice butt. Im sure your eyes would wander and you would check her out.
Its same with height.
No it's not the same with height. Zac Efron's girlfriendis not going to droll over the 6 foot juggalo workign at the gas station just because he's tall. It's about complete sexual market value, not just height, height adds to it of course. Girls can be just as shallow as men but there not guys, most dudes would fck a female hobo with a bangin body, most girls wouldnt. So that analogy doesn't work.
Also I love how your "cutt-off" is 6 foot+. Coincidentally you're 5'10. Honestly I dont usually judge the tall guys who want LL because to each their own but cmon bro. At 5'10 any problems/inadequacies you have are your own and nothing to do with your height
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yavYWyx8zu4
I had to do it bro - homeless guy who gets shelter from going to their places ;)
Also, with all the modern times feminism and stuff, isn't the importance of looks in men increasing? Since they are supposed to feel guilty living off a man and stuff.
What if the previous dude lives in Netherlands?
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I think heightism is also regional. If you go to the bigger cities, girls seem to care more about money.
correction: they care about money but they still care about height, if not more than in smaller cities.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yavYWyx8zu4
I had to do it bro - homeless guy who gets shelter from going to their places ;)
Also, with all the modern times feminism and stuff, isn't the importance of looks in men increasing? Since they are supposed to feel guilty living off a man and stuff.
What if the previous dude lives in Netherlands?
Lol this guys awesome. But you know what i meant. Plus this guys super persistant approaching every night and charming and he doesnt "look" like a hobo. You get my original point though.
Honestly im so sick of talking about this (not with you Jerkey, with the whole forum).
Long story short: Height plays a part of life but its not everything. Don't relay on LL to make you happy. If you feel you want LL to improve your life then do it, if you don't then don't. If you want to believe that women won't touch anyone under 6 foot then belive that, if you want to believe otherwise then you can believe that too. If you want to feel sorry for yourself because of your height then feel sorry for yourself, if you want to feel like a king at your height then feel like a king.
you guys can continue your conversation im tired of talking about this
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Women are not so complicated as some people think.
On the contrary, I know women very well as I have a lot of experience with them (long term and short term relationships) and I have a very certain conclusion about them: they need to feel protected.
It is stupid in the modern world but it is true. They want a big man who treat them good but also is independent and always have choices more than them, so they think he is precious and they should try to keep him with them.
The first one means a big body (not always very tall but of course average and more and also not skinny but preferably built, not too muscular though). The second has to do with character but a man with the appearance I mentioned always has choices with women and that changes his character too to become more independent and self confident.
So I am not cynical, women are cynical and I just mention what I saw through my big experience (good and bad) with them.
Yes, there are exceptions but that doesn't change the rules. If someone is not like what I've written before then he'll never become successful with women.
If he doesn't care about that then yes, you can have a normal life with being less than average (not very short though) but if you want a spectacular life which means a full dating life, being short is simply an obstacle that can't be overcomed. Even if a Cruize was the sexiest man alive or a homo sleeped with 500 women and all these bs.
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What bodybuilder is saying is true. It's not like he's saying that you have be 6"2. He says at least 5"7. Of course it's not impossible to get women at a shorter height but it is much harder. And for one reason or another we are here because we know we want a better height than what our genetics gave us.
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What bodybuilder is saying is true. It's not like he's saying that you have be 6"2. He says at least 5"7. Of course it's not impossible to get women at a shorter height but it is much harder. And for one reason or another we are here because we know we want a better height than what our genetics gave us.
You are not 5'7''. How can you even know? How can you tell a man who really has that height that he has it extremely hard when you have never lived his life?
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You are not 5'7''. How can you even know? How can you tell a man who really has that height that he has it extremely hard when you have never lived his life?
You're asking alway the same question.
It is not like if you're above 5'7,you can't see that.You don't have to be in that body.You see this from your daily experience.Assuming similar personality and appearance, 170 cm guys usually have a harder time than 175 cm guys that have more problems than 180 cm guys and so on.
No one said 5'7 guys can't have dates
Stop being so fatalistic
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You're asking alway the same question.
It is not like if you're above 5'7,you can't see that.You don't have to be in that body.You see this from your daily experience.Assuming similar personality and appearance, 170 cm guys usually have a harder time than 175 cm guys that have more problems than 180 cm guys and so on.
No one said 5'7 guys can't have dates
Stop being so fatalistic
You are the fatalistic one - you say that a huge group of people, most of who you don't even know, have it extremely hard. You simply cannot make that judgement from your own position. What if I told you "from my own daily experience, jews are deceiving, dishonest liars". Would that make it objectively true?
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No.
But he wouldn't achieve it either if women knew from the biginning that he is a less than 5.7 tall man.
Yes, he would. He never appeared tall in movies anyway.
Short men never become sxx symbols. The same with fat women.
Short men do become sxx symbols. You are insane if you believe otherwise.
Zac Efron 5'7
James Dean 5'7
Marlon Brando 5'8
Tom Cruise is only considered attractive because of his money and fame. Without those two entities Mr. Cruise would not be considered attractive to women. Especially in modern times.
Yeah, yeah, he is soooo mediocre. ::)
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3b/2b/2e/3b2b2e7a5717203384ec10dda1789f7b--tom-cruise-cruises.jpg)
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You are the fatalistic one - you say that a huge group of people, most of who you don't even know, have it extremely hard. You simply cannot make that judgement from your own position. What if I told you "from my own daily experience, jews are deceiving, dishonest liars". Would that make it objectively true?
I was less than 5.7 and now 5.9, so from what you say I could know what happens between short an average men, right?
Wrong and you know why?
Because what I live the last 5 years that I finished LL is exactly what I saw when I was short with average height men and I always knew what is about to live as an average or a tall guy even if I was short.
And now that I am average I already know and see how good is the life of a tall man and thats why I want so much to do another LL.
So there is no reason to be something to see how it is, unless you have a denial complex.
But even if you still believe that if someone is not in a certain condition he couldn't know how it is, I was in that condition and I know so from what you said I am the most suitable to write about that.
And yes, living as a short man creates many social problems and especially on dating it is really bad.
If someone does not believe that but he thinks about LL then he is lying to himself.
After all, if height was not so important we wouldn't have done something so extreme to change it.
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Yes, he would. He never appeared tall in movies anyway.
Short men do become sxx symbols. You are insane if you believe otherwise.
Alain Delon 5'9
James Dean 5'7
Marlon Brando 5'8
Yeah, yeah, he is soooo mediocre. ::)
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5.9 and 5.8, even 5.7 was not short for 60's.
And from hundreds of actors who became sex symbols you could only recall one who was 5.7, even half a century before.
And finally, the thing that a short man should have a so good face like Tom Cruize's to be successful with women while a tall man who has a simply not ugly face and a built body can have the same and more successes proves how imoortant is height.
If you are like Tom Cruize then ok, you'll have successes with women (not so many as a good looking tall man though) but 99,99 of short men are not.
And that's why they have a great disadvantage on dating.
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Anyone who would take life advice from someone into bodybuilding isn't thinking clearly. People who lift weights as an obsessive hobby are some of the most insecure people on the planet as their whole existence is based on how other dudes look at their muscles. Listening to bodybuilder about how women are is like taking diet advice from Rosie O'Donnell.
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I think the point of arguing height is important in dating and everything else in for men on a leg lengthening forum is probably redundant. When I read some of the posts, I hear exactly the same things that taller guys told me about why they had more success with women. They would say things like "be nice and talk to them". "There are short guys who do well with women". "Its not about height". Well we can't know what its like to have a disadvantage we don't have.
I think its also important to recognize that if you have a long-standing group of friends, it may be possible to date high-quality girls even if you are shorter. I've seen this. But I just can't get over this feeling that she's going to feel that she can do better someday and then what? Like body builder said before - he dated hotter girls before LL. I dated quite a few girls before LL. Even though some of them were nice, every single one except for one mentioned my height in some respect.
And also, the protection thing bodybuilder is talking about is true - it's hard-wired into both sxxes and we like what we like (attraction is not a choice). Yes society is evolved but biology doesn't evolve that fast. I think it also has to do with what the girl's fathers height were. If you are shorter, start asking the girls you date what their father's heights were, more often then not, it was average or slightly smaller. I think it has more to do with these girls knew even those these men were smaller, they were successful in protecting them and realized its not about size.
And the guy above is obviously a troll look at his insignia and post history.
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Oh yeah, I'm the troll when you guys are in here having a "No woman will ever find me attractive until I have stilts for legs and walk funny" pity party circle jerk.
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5.9 and 5.8, even 5.7 was not short for 60's.
And from hundreds of actors who became sxx symbols you could only recall one who was 5.7, even half a century before.
The list is long brother:
Mark Wahlberg 5'7
Jame McAvoy 5'7
Robert Downey Jr 5'8 (he is probably a member of this forum ;D)
Gael Garcia Benal 5'7
...and many more
And finally, the thing that a short man should have a so good face like Tom Cruize's to be successful with women while a tall man who has a simply not ugly face and a built body can have the same and more successes proves how imoortant is height.
If you are like Tom Cruize then ok, you'll have successes with women (not so many as a good looking tall man though) but 99,99 of short men are not.
And that's why they have a great disadvantage on dating.
I agree with you here; unfortunately, sometimes you will have to compensate your short height with something else (you don't have to be as beautiful as Tom Cruise thoug;h; it was just an example).
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Anyone who would take life advice from someone into bodybuilding isn't thinking clearly. People who lift weights as an obsessive hobby are some of the most insecure people on the planet as their whole existence is based on how other dudes look at their muscles. Listening to bodybuilder about how women are is like taking diet advice from Rosie O'Donnell.
Ehmm if People feel bad and you dont like them Why do you Go to a forum and waste your time on putting them down.
Do you also go on nose job , boobjob, hair transplant forum and waste your time ?
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The list is long brother:
Mark Wahlberg 5'7
Jame McAvoy 5'7
Robert Downey Jr 5'8 (he is probably a member of this forum ;D)
Gael Garcia Benal 5'7
...and many more
I agree with you here; unfortunately, sometimes you will have to compensate your short height with something else (you don't have to be as beautiful as Tom Cruise thoug;h; it was just an example).
All those actors are from the 90s modern day actors need to be about 5'9 which is the cutoff these days.
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Ehmm if People feel bad and you dont like them Why do you Go to a forum and waste your time on putting them down.
Do you also go on nose job , boobjob, hair transplant forum and waste your time ?
Those surgeries are really minor compared to ll, that's why he probably comes here instead of going to those old forums.
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I think the point of arguing height is important in dating and everything else in for men on a leg lengthening forum is probably redundant. When I read some of the posts, I hear exactly the same things that taller guys told me about why they had more success with women. They would say things like "be nice and talk to them". "There are short guys who do well with women". "Its not about height". Well we can't know what its like to have a disadvantage we don't have.
I think its also important to recognize that if you have a long-standing group of friends, it may be possible to date high-quality girls even if you are shorter. I've seen this. But I just can't get over this feeling that she's going to feel that she can do better someday and then what? Like body builder said before - he dated hotter girls before LL. I dated quite a few girls before LL. Even though some of them were nice, every single one except for one mentioned my height in some respect.
And also, the protection thing bodybuilder is talking about is true - it's hard-wired into both sxxes and we like what we like (attraction is not a choice). Yes society is evolved but biology doesn't evolve that fast. I think it also has to do with what the girl's fathers height were. If you are shorter, start asking the girls you date what their father's heights were, more often then not, it was average or slightly smaller. I think it has more to do with these girls knew even those these men were smaller, they were successful in protecting them and realized its not about size.
And the guy above is obviously a troll look at his insignia and post history.
I agree, pointing out that height is important is not going to accomplish anything here. We all know it's important so there's no need to point it out constantly.
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I think the point of arguing height is important in dating and everything else in for men on a leg lengthening forum is probably redundant. When I read some of the posts, I hear exactly the same things that taller guys told me about why they had more success with women. They would say things like "be nice and talk to them". "There are short guys who do well with women". "Its not about height". Well we can't know what its like to have a disadvantage we don't have.
I think its also important to recognize that if you have a long-standing group of friends, it may be possible to date high-quality girls even if you are shorter. I've seen this. But I just can't get over this feeling that she's going to feel that she can do better someday and then what? Like body builder said before - he dated hotter girls before LL. I dated quite a few girls before LL. Even though some of them were nice, every single one except for one mentioned my height in some respect.
And also, the protection thing bodybuilder is talking about is true - it's hard-wired into both sxxes and we like what we like (attraction is not a choice). Yes society is evolved but biology doesn't evolve that fast. I think it also has to do with what the girl's fathers height were. If you are shorter, start asking the girls you date what their father's heights were, more often then not, it was average or slightly smaller. I think it has more to do with these girls knew even those these men were smaller, they were successful in protecting them and realized its not about size.
And the guy above is obviously a troll look at his insignia and post history.
My gf's father's height is 6'1 so here is your theory going down the drain (like all stuff said here).
Do you guys know what women also like? Chizeled jawline... I bet all the milions of guys who don't have chizeled jaw are having a hard time with women... You guys should check the reddit/incel... It's full of tall fellas who blame all their misery for the lack of a chizeled jawline.
I sincerly think that the vast majority of guys here suffer from some sort of Aspergers... This white and black thinking, not being able to look at things without absolutes is a major symptom of Aspergers...
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All those actors are from the 90s modern day actors need to be about 5'9 which is the cutoff these days.
Hollywood can make anyone a sex symbol if it wants to. There's no height cutoff in the entertainment world.
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My gf's father's height is 6'1 so here is your theory going down the drain (like all stuff said here).
Do you guys know what women also like? Chizeled jawline... I bet all the milions of guys who don't have chizeled jaw are having a hard time with women... You guys should check the reddit/incel... It's full of tall fellas who blame all their misery for the lack of a chizeled jawline.
I sincerly think that the vast majority of guys here suffer from some sort of Aspergers... This white and black thinking, not being able to look at things without absolutes is a major symptom of Aspergers...
Tibike as you claim you are a 5.7 man in Italy who feels about average height, has plenty of gfs etc etc.
Everything you say is on the contrast of what I see in my everyday life and from what my experience taught me.
So either you are lying or you are the exception to all rules.
In both circumstances, what you say are the exception and not the rule so we are not having any asperger syndrome but we are very honest and dont live in denial.
I will be one of the few people that, if things go ok with my second LL, have lived as short, average and almost tall (because 1.81-2 imo is definitely more than average and close to tall) so I would have the clearest view of what is going on with height and the imoortance of it.
From now, what I see is exactly what I thought when I was short and I'd never trade the 7.5cm I gained even for 1 million dollars as they were completely life changing. But still they are not enough to don't have a drawback on height, not crucial for the majority of women but still drawback.
When I'll become 1.82 I'll write if this gain was really lifechanging like my first LL. My experience says that an 1.82 man compared to an 1.75 has a way easier job on dating most of all but and his everyday life (how people perceive him, the respect he receives etc) too .
So I will be one of the few examples of the exactly same person living as short, average and (almost) tall.
After my second LL I am sure that I will be the one of most suitable persons to talk about the significance of height, as my life will be a living example of all these.
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Hey Bodybuilder, which state do you live in? Are you gonna do arm lengthening too with femurs?
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Hey Bodybuilder, which state do you live in? Are you gonna do arm lengthening too with femurs?
I live in South europe. I won't mention my country.
And of course not. I've written again that I am completely against AL as I believe it is necessary only for dwarves.
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Yves if you think that because one girl is not superficial about height the majority of women are like that then you'll soon hurt again from another girl.
Height is the number 1 factor in a man's appearance. When a woman talks to her friends about a new guy the first they are asking is if he is tall. Not handsome, not built, not dark or blonde, tall.
So it is very important and that won't change from one girl's choice.
I don't agree. The No.1 factor, I think, is his face. I've seen way too many tall guys get bad reviews from girls because of their not so good faces.
Second, when a woman talks about her crush, her girlfriends usually ask "is he smart" first up. Then comes, what does he do? and THEN comes what does he look like
Maybe we have different experiences, but I've closely noticed how girls talk about guys, and this is often how it is. Height comes in only if the guy's really tall (a plus) or really short (a minus)
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Face is more important than height only if you are above average.
If you are short then even if you look like Adones you'll still have much less successes that an average looking tall guy.
Women want to feel protected, not to be with men like Ken the doll. Thus they want tall and big guys even if they are not very handsome. Being masculine and have a big body is enough.
Having a good face is of course important but not more than being taller than average.
Again, I respectfully disagree. My senior in college was 6'2", and he dated 1 girl in his final year. I dated 2 girls in my final year, both of who were MUCH more attractive than his girl.
He had an average face and an average personality.
Not to sound arrogant, but I have an above average face and an above average personality.
What's more, this same senior got rejected 2 times before getting this girl he settled down with in his final year, so you can't put his bad luck down to a lack of trying, cause he did try.
Don't mistake me, I'm 100% going to do my LL, but all I'm trying to point out here is: 1) it's not a panacea for all your ills and 2) height isn't the be all and end all of your problems, it's just one of them. But because we tend to think of it so often, we blame everything on it.
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This is getting out of control. Some teenagers here are posting names of short and pretty faced celebrities (and not even very short celebrities) and claiming that height is immaterial. These is beyond idiotic and these guys have no idea what BS they are talking about. Celebrity is celebrity, for tom cruise, even ugly ass old, short guys like Quincy jones are dating multiple beauties at the same time, so are think ugly and tall celebrities. Celebrity status is a looks factor neutralizer. I real life, a short guy will always lose out to an below average or ugly tall guy, period, I have seen this hundreds of times and it is proven. and those citing some BS surveys - BBC did a show where women were shows pictures and given physical details of 2 men , one short good looking one tall below average. No other data was given (beyond physical attributes) and all women chose the bad looking tall guy. When asked what kind of new data point wold make them reverse their decision, the women said - the only think that may make them consider the shorter guy is if the taller guy is a convicted murderer !!! So, it is not even close, height is the singe biggest factor for men, nothing else matters. suck it up or keep denying.
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Nope, the only thing going out of control is your lack of logic. Blaming everything on your height is pure BS. The others, myself included, are pointing out real life experiences.
The sooner you realize that, the better
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This crap is getting out of control. Some teenagers here are posting names of short and pretty faced celebrities (and not even very short celebrities) and claiming that height is immaterial. These is beyond idiotic and these guys have no idea what BS they are talking about. Celebrity is celebrity, for tom cruise, even ugly ass old, short guys like Quincy jones are dating multiple beauties at the same time, so are think ugly and tall celebrities. Celebrity status is a looks factor neutralizer. I real life, a short guy will always lose out to an below average or ugly tall guy, period, I have seen this hundreds of times and it is proven. and those citing some BS surveys - BBC did a show where women were shows pictures and given physical details of 2 men , one short good looking one tall below average. No other data was given (beyond physical attributes) and all women chose the bad looking tall guy. When asked what kind of new data point wold make them reverse their decision, the women said - the only think that may make them consider the shorter guy is if the taller guy is a convicted murderer !!! So, it is not even close, height is the singe biggest factor for men, nothing else matters. suck it up or keep denying.
The doc you mention is CBS not BBC...
And it wasn't picture of 2 random guys. It was a selection of 5 or 6 guys standing in a room next to each other. The guy who the women said would choose if all the rest were convicted murderes was 5' tall.
Now shut up
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The doc you mention is CBS not BBC...
And it wasn't picture of 2 random guys. It was a selection of 5 or 6 guys standing in a room next to each other. The guy who the women said would choose if all the rest were convicted murderes was 5' tall.
Now shut up
LOL, you are insane. keep dreaming. Going by your logic any random obese, short ugly 80 year old black guy from harlem, walking with a walker can bed 5 hot rich models at the same time , one of them being an 18 year old saudi princess, becase Quincy jones is able to do it..LOL
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LOL, you are insane. keep dreaming. Going by your logic any random obese, short ugly 80 year old black guy from harlem, walking with a walker can bed 5 hot rich models at the same time , one of them being an 18 year old saudi princess, becase Quincy jones is able to do it..LOL
No.. That's not my logic. How did you reach the conclusion that this is my logic is beyond me ( I have a hard time understanding stupidity).
But just like women won't date the guy you described, they wouldn't like to date a 5' tall man like in the doc
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And FYI for all - even in India which is suposedly a short country, best girls are going ony for tall guys (even if they are ugly, skinny, broke, lower caste - if you know caste system is a factor in India - look it up in wikipedia), over hort, good looking, high caste, rich guys. I have no reason to lie, I am 35 years old and have seen a lot and I can tell you height is robably the biggest factor world over for men to succeed with women.
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I don't agree. The No.1 factor, I think, is his face. I've seen way too many tall guys get bad reviews from girls because of their not so good faces.
Second, when a woman talks about her crush, her girlfriends usually ask "is he smart" first up. Then comes, what does he do? and THEN comes what does he look like
Maybe we have different experiences, but I've closely noticed how girls talk about guys, and this is often how it is. Height comes in only if the guy's really tall (a plus) or really short (a minus)
No 1 factor is face only for average and above height men.
For short men a good face make them "cute" (not handsome) but still he remains short and the majority of women will reject him.
And no, I never heard anyone to ask another one about his/her new date if he/she is smart. They always ask about apperance and for men the first is if he is tall and for women if she is thin/fit.
I agree of course that height is not everything and I never said that though. I just said that if you lack height notnothng else matters. Not that if you are tall you have everything because it is not true.
@Prakash, well said.
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No.. That's not my logic. How did you reach the conclusion that this is my logic is beyond me ( I have a hard time understanding stupidity).
But just like women won't date the guy you described, they wouldn't like to date a 5' tall man like in the doc
then we are fighting for no reason, then we both agree that putting celebrities as examples is useless. In real life height wins over pretty face.
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This crap is getting out of control. Some teenagers here are posting names of short and pretty faced celebrities (and not even very short celebrities) and claiming that height is immaterial. These is beyond idiotic and these guys have no idea what BS they are talking about. Celebrity is celebrity, for tom cruise, even ugly ass old, short guys like Quincy jones are dating multiple beauties at the same time, so are think ugly and tall celebrities. Celebrity status is a looks factor neutralizer. I real life, a short guy will always lose out to an below average or ugly tall guy, period, I have seen this hundreds of times and it is proven. and those citing some BS surveys - BBC did a show where women were shows pictures and given physical details of 2 men , one short good looking one tall below average. No other data was given (beyond physical attributes) and all women chose the bad looking tall guy. When asked what kind of new data point wold make them reverse their decision, the women said - the only think that may make them consider the shorter guy is if the taller guy is a convicted murderer !!! So, it is not even close, height is the singe biggest factor for men, nothing else matters. suck it up or keep denying.
Your reading skills match your writing skills, that's for sure.
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No 1 factor is face only for average and above height men.
For short men a good face make them "cute" (not handsome) but still he remains short and the majority of women will reject him.
And no, I never heard anyone to ask another one about his/her new date if he/she is smart. They always ask about apperance and for men the first is if he is tall and for women if she is thin/fit.
I agree of course that height is not everything and I never said that though. I just said that if you lack height notnothng else matters. Not that if you are tall you have everything because it is not true.
@Prakash, well said.
Agree, I have never seen (even in movies :)) anyone asking whether the date is smart :), but I have seen many times people saying he is shorter then you or she is taller then you, as if height is everything !!!, sigh !!
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Your reading skills match your writing skills, that's for sure.
I am not here to win an essay competition, I put effort proportional to the purpose, I have perfect writing scores in TOEFL and IELTS, if you want I can PM you proof, as long as you do not disclose my identity.
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I am not here to win an essay competition, I have perfect writing scores in TOEFL and IELTS, if you want I ca PM you proff, as long as you do not disclose my identity.
No need of doing that. But you are 35 yo, ffs. How about being a bit more calm when stating your arguments? (just my advice)
What is your height btw?
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No need of doing that. But you are 35 yo, ffs. How about being a bit more calm when stating your arguments? (just my advice)
What is your height btw?
thanks dude, I am preparing for something on one laptop, watching movie in another one and typing this on another computer :), hence the typos. I think it is around 5'4", though I wear Don's shoes ( costs $300 but gives me 2.75" lift).
And this (elevator shoes) bring another point in my mind to support my argument - before I wore elevator shoes I only had 3 girls look at me amorously in my 32 year old life (all in a 99.9% white country - where there are no brown guys - hence they found me exotic i guess) and just adding this 2.75 inches has done wonders - I have had many hot women (arab, chinese, Indian) approach me in last 3 years since I started wearing Don's shoes. Height does matter a lot.
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How about we go back to debating about Dr. Monegal
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thanks dude, I am preparing for something on one laptop, watching movie in another one and typing this on another computer :), hence the typos. I think it is around 5'4", though I wear Don's shoes ( costs $300 but gives me 2.75" lift).
And this (elevator shoes) bring another point in my mind to support my argument - before I wore elevator shoes I only had 3 girls look at me amorously in my 32 year old life (all in a 99.9% white country - where there are no brown guys - hence they found me exotic i guess) and just adding this 2.75 inches has done wonders - I have had many hot women (arab, chinese, Indian) approach me in last 3 years since I started wearing Don's shoes. Height does matter a lot.
That sounds incredible! Don's shoes© must be pretty expensive, are they not? Can I get a free pack of shoepolish if I call and order a pair of Don's shoes© in the next 20 minutes?
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Yves if you think that because one girl is not superficial about height the majority of women are like that then you'll soon hurt again from another girl.
Height is the number 1 factor in a man's appearance. When a woman talks to her friends about a new guy the first they are asking is if he is tall. Not handsome, not built, not dark or blonde, tall.
So it is very important and that won't change from one girl's choice.
So if you really feel ok with yourself then good for you and forget LL.
But if you think from the example you mentioned that height is not very important then you'll soon regret and want to do LL again.
Very true, any time i over hear my classmates talk about their new boyfriend (early-mid 20's chicks) their bragging about him being tall. Its this weird fetish that i'm sure the majority of women have. I'd say 80% but i'm pulling that out of my ass.
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Very true, any time i over hear my classmates talk about their new boyfriend (early-mid 20's chicks) their bragging about him being tall. Its this weird fetish that i'm sure the majority of women have. I'd say 80% but i'm pulling that out of my ass.
93% to be precise, I am also pulling out of my ass, but my ass provides more logical crap :), on a serious note - it is more than 80%, definitely more than 90%.
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This crap is getting out of control. Some teenagers here are posting names of short and pretty faced celebrities (and not even very short celebrities) and claiming that height is immaterial.
I'm not a teenager, I'm just a guy with a great face who never faced (explicit) rejection due to his height. I never said height is not important, after all, I am in a limb lengthening forum, aren't I?!
No 1 factor is face only for average and above height men.
And who is denying that? All we are saying is that face comes first.
In real life height wins over pretty face.
It doesn't, unless you are a midget, which I'm sure no one here actually is.
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I'm not a teenager, I'm just a guy with a great face who never faced (explicit) rejection due to his height. I never said height is not important, after all, I am in a limb lengthening forum, aren't I?!
And who is denying that? All we are saying is that face comes first.
It doesn't, unless you are a midget, which I'm sure no one here actually is.
you are mistaken and someday you will realize it. Height is far far greater factor then pretty face. Ugly guys who are tall are much more preferred by women then short guys who are exceptionally beautiful/aesthetic looking. All the best.
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you are mistaken and someday you will realize it. Height is far far greater factor then pretty face. Ugly guys who are tall are much more preferred by women then short guys who are exceptionally beautiful/aesthetic looking. All the best.
It gets annoying when guys who are average female height or below come here and start to yell that unless you are tall your life is fked dating-wise....
No mister prakash... A 5'4 guy who happens to also be indian (which are mostly considered unattractive in the west) is in no place to tell anyone who is below average that their life is ruined by their height...
You can't possibly compare your height to somoene who is 5'8 or 5'9 or even 5'6...
I can understand where its coming from, but also the user who's name is only made by numbers who also says the same is you is also extremely short (5'2 if I recall).. Again, neither you nor him as being well below average height can say when height stops being an hinderance.
Stop putting people in this forum down because of your own misery thank you.
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Ok first of all none of you guys will be considered tall in the west which is defined as 6 feet or more even after surgery. So forget about it.
No if you are short with a very good face you will do well but not better than a tall guy of the same race with an average face.
Race is obviously very important but this is a leg lengthening gorum. We can eastablish that going up a few inches really opens up the dating pool for men.
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It gets annoying when guys who are average female height or below come here and start to yell that unless you are tall your life is fked dating-wise....
No mister prakash... A 5'4 guy who happens to also be indian (which are mostly considered unattractive in the west) is in no place to tell anyone who is below average that their life is ruined by their height...
You can't possibly compare your height to somoene who is 5'8 or 5'9 or even 5'6...
I can understand where its coming from, but also the user who's name is only made by numbers who also says the same crap is you is also extremely short (5'2 if I recall).. Again, neither you nor him as being well below average height can say when height stops being an hinderance.
Stop putting people in this forum down because of your own misery thank you.
first you put pictures of Hollywood heroes to make your point (illogical) then you resort to personal attacks. First of all whoever calls 5'8, 5'9" as short is an idiot so you are an Idiot and just trolling around here making all kind of useless points. Also, I see yo guys saying - oh i am great looking, I do well etc. which nobody has any proof of, also if you consider 5'8, 5'9 as short and are lurking around this limb lengthening forum saying how unimportant height is, you have serious psychological issues. Moreover the naysayers here started first saying 5'5 guys getting good women, height not an issue, then you guys changed to 5'7 now I see you writing 5'8 , 5'9 (you call that short , really? are u out of your mind?), so yo guys have no idea what you guys are doing here, putting useless exmaples, useless points changing arguments, you are all over the place. First get your mind checked then come to argue. I think you are unsure of things in life and are trolling around at places where you are not sure you belong to or not, writing things which nobody knows are true or not.
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I'm not a teenager, I'm just a guy with a great face who never faced (explicit) rejection due to his height. I never said height is not important, after all, I am in a limb lengthening forum, aren't I?!
And who is denying that? All we are saying is that face comes first.
It doesn't, unless you are a midget, which I'm sure no one here actually is.
But I am not saying that.
Faces comes first when a man is not short.
Like saying that boobs come first when a woman is not fat. But the most important thing is to not be fat. And for the man to not be short.
So height is the most necessary factor in a man's appearance. If you have a good height and a built body most women won't have any problem at all with an average face.
Even men, when they see a girl with a hot body but an average face will like her much more than an obese woman who has even the prettiest face.
For the last time, women need to feel protected. A great face won't make them feel like that, they will like it but they won't prefer it if it comes from a short or skinny man compared to a big man with an average face.
And after all, me and some other people here have a good face so our only drawback is that we are not tall enough so we are the most suitable candidates for (another one) LL.
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I feel like bodybuilder already slays in the club. Have you experimented with 1 to 2 inch insoles to get an idea of what it'll be like after LL?
I noticed many women still pick the taller guy vs. the muscular guy. I think part of it has to do with modern society where women have better education make more money than men nowadays - there isn't much setting the genders apart, so they associate masculinity with being tall and strong as a feature unique to men. I used to think growing up some women will see through my physical features and we'll live happily ever after. But with divorce being the norm, it made me sad to realize once she leaves (b/c average person will get divorced - who's to say im not average) I'll be alone for who knows how long.
Have you guys heard about this?
- If it ends with one date - you don't meet the appearance requirement
- If you can't get beyond few dates - you don't have the charm
- If it is a long-term relationship but no marriage - you don't make enough money
- Marriage is a separate entity - you make enough money, you'll be able to find someone to marry regardless of other features.
But guess what, girls will date guys if they are good looking (even if they don't make much money, low education) but won't marry them. Does marriage have any value nowadays? No. Bodybuilder said he's from southern europe, if spain or portugal, divorce rates are like 60 - 70%. Then, where does that leave us? How does the media and people nowadays view the "male that provides"?
I used to feel empty after I realized this because finding someone and having a happy family was one my biggest motivators in life. It's ok because I can still learn the charm, fix my career so I have time to work on my looks and I've already got LL to get to an excellent height.
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Honestly, all this debate about if being short with a pretty face is more important than being tall with an average face is irrelevant and will forever be subjective meaning its all only opinions and will never be facts. The only thing we should be worried about is getting taller. These debates get us nowhere. This forum is very toxic as it is so i suggest everyone to just do LL share their experience and be done with the forum after recovery.
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Honestly, all this debate about if being short with a pretty face is more important than being tall with an average face is irrelevant and will forever be subjective meaning its all only opinions and will never be facts. The only thing we should be worried about is getting taller. These debates get us nowhere. This forum is very toxic as it is so i suggest everyone to just do LL share their experience and be done with the forum after recovery.
Agree. Lets focus on our goal. Limb Lengthening. I pledge that i will share my journey, which will start at max in next 15 months if not earlier. I like to write and will make my diary very interesting.
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i cant wait for my ll so i can finally be 6'
need to save 30k. Plan to get this within the next 2 years.
Coming from an avg-slightly above avg height male with 7-8 in the looks department. Height is so important to women. They want taller men, and taller men are seen as dominant. No matter how much you work out, or how rugged your face is you will never be seen as dominant by women if your under 5'11 at the very least.
Name me one male celebrity who women lust over like they do for liam hemsworth, chris hemsworth, david beckham, dr. mike. Girls legit get wet for these men like they never would for a tom cruise lol.
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i cant wait for my ll so i can finally be 6'
need to save 30k. Plan to get this within the next 2 years.
Coming from an avg-slightly above avg height male with 7-8 in the looks department. Height is so important to women. They want taller men, and taller men are seen as dominant. No matter how much you work out, or how rugged your face is you will never be seen as dominant by women if your under 5'11 at the very least.
Name me one male celebrity who women lust over like they do for liam hemsworth, chris hemsworth, david beckham, dr. mike. Girls legit get wet for these men like they never would for a tom cruise lol.
Counterpoint: you don't need to be dominant or alpha (which is a bull term only Incels use anyways) to get girls. Not every girl is a whore who only looks for money or appearance. And if you're aiming for those girls then you're not going to be happy. Again, we aren't fking cavemen anymore. No girl wants someone to regularly defend her honor. The fact that you're so inclined to think like this, means 2 things: 1) you haven't been getting laid at all, don't lie (which is so much sadder at your height) and 2) you (and other people here) are blatant misogynist who look down on women expecting the worst from them. Grow up.
Also if you give yourself a 7-8 rating, you're probably a 5-6 don't lie, and with that personality you're less so.
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Yo I rofl'd at Dr. Mike. I was like wut Mike tyson?? Then I realized who you talkin bout. I think even 5'10 is ok if you have a big bone structure like Mike Tyson or Mark Hunt. Apparently Mike Tyson shoe size like 15 or smth.
If you gonna do only 3.5cm you'll recover much faster doing internal femurs given no complications. Barely any change in proportions tib/femur too.
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Counterpoint: you don't need to be dominant or alpha (which is a bullcrap term only Incels use anyways) to get girls. Not every girl is a whore who only looks for money or appearance. And if you're aiming for those girls then you're not going to be happy. Again, we aren't fking cavemen anymore. No girl wants someone to regularly defend her honor. The fact that you're so inclined to think like this, means 2 things: 1) you haven't been getting laid at all, don't lie (which is so much sadder at your height) and 2) you (and other people here) are blatant misogynist who look down on women expecting the worst from them. Grow up.
Also if you give yourself a 7-8 rating, you're probably a 5-6 don't lie, and with that personality you're less so.
I am just stating the facts even though they hurt people on here. Women will always prefer taller men.
I am not even doing the surgery for women. I have a gf..
I am doing it because I am one of the shortest in my family. My dad is 6'3. My younger brother is 6'1. My mom is 5'9. I have always wanted to be taller my whole life. And I feel short all the time around my family. It makes me feel bad about my height.
Furthermore, I never said you can't get girls if your not tall.. I never said that. The fact is women view taller men a different way than shorter men. Idc what you say but that is the truth. I asked my gf when we first met what her ideal height is in a man. She said 6'1-6'2. She still loves me to death and wants to get engaged already. Quit being butthurt and just face the truth.
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first you put pictures of Hollywood heroes to make your point (illogical) then you resort to personal attacks. First of all whoever calls 5'8, 5'9" as short is an idiot so you are an Idiot and just trolling around here making all kind of useless points. Also, I see yo guys saying - oh i am great looking, I do well etc. which nobody has any proof of, also if you consider 5'8, 5'9 as short and are lurking around this limb lengthening forum saying how unimportant height is, you have serious psychological issues. Moreover the naysayers here started first saying 5'5 guys getting good women, height not an issue, then you guys changed to 5'7 now I see you writing 5'8 , 5'9 (you call that short , really? are u out of your mind?), so yo guys have no idea what you guys are doing here, putting useless exmaples, useless points changing arguments, you are all over the place. First get your mind checked then come to argue. I think you are unsure of things in life and are trolling around at places where you are not sure you belong to or not, writing things which nobody knows are true or not.
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Furthermore, I never said you can't get girls if your not tall.. I never said that. The fact is women view taller men a different way than shorter men. Idc what you say but that is the truth. I asked my gf when we first met what her ideal height is in a man. She said 6'1-6'2. She still loves me to death and wants to get engaged already. Quit being butthurt and just face the truth.
Who the fk ask their prospective/girlfriends about their physical preferences in men?
-Well honey, I prefer 8 inch penises, but your 6 inch one is perfect anyway and I still want to marry you ::)
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Women date men in their league if you want to date up you need money or fame. If you want to increase your league you need surgery. Limb lengthening will boost your rating so you can date hotter girls.
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A bunch of forever aloners. It's funny on the misc but not here.
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A bunch of forever aloners. It's funny on the misc but not here.
Two types of people in this thread: short guys who aren't happy after 1 surgery and shorter guys who can't afford LL.
You guys have lost the ability to talk and interact with real women. Instead you limit yourselves with this black and white thinking that height is absolute.
If you are a loser before LL, you're still going to be a loser afterwards. And I see many losers, you know who you are.
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Women date men in their league if you want to date up you need money or fame. If you want to increase your league you need surgery. Limb lengthening will boost your rating so you can date hotter girls.
Thats the truth.
I had plenty of girls, maybe 2-3 more than the average man and the hottest of them was even before I did LL.
Some people would said that if a short man could have a girl like that then height does not matter. But the thing that you could have a nice girl does not change that women see short men as inferior. If someone is ok to find a woman and stay with her all of his life, not because she is his other half but because he knows that with his appearance he is not able to find something similar, then he would stay with her and live a "happy" life.
I always wanted to have chances and never feel that a very pretty girl is out of my league only because I was short.
So now I feel ok with myself and even I am not tall I don't look inferior aesthetically to the majority of women as I have a respectable height, a nice face and a very built body. But still most of women won't feel as excited they would with a man with my face and my muscles but tall.
And I want to live that feeling, to make women feel tiny and protected in front of you.
So even short men could find girls.
But not with the frequency that tall men do and most of the times they won't be as excited as with being with a man with a big body.
That's unfortunately the female nature and even an almost average height man like me with 48cm arms can't get past it as still women say that I am good but I would be excellent If I was 1.80 (about 5 cm more).
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Two types of people in this thread: short guys who aren't happy after 1 surgery and shorter guys who can't afford LL.
You guys have lost the ability to talk and interact with real women. Instead you limit yourselves with this black and white thinking that height is absolute.
If you are a loser before LL, you're still going to be a loser afterwards. And I see many losers, you know who you are.
Exactly, height is important that is why we are all here. But if you are a loser before then you will be a loser after.
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Thats the truth.
I had plenty of girls, maybe 2-3 more than the average man and the hottest of them was even before I did LL.
Some people would said that if a short man could have a girl like that then height does not matter. But the thing that you could have a nice girl does not change that women see short men as inferior. If someone is ok to find a woman and stay with her all of his life, not because she is his other half but because he knows that with his appearance he is not able to find something similar, then he would stay with her and live a "happy" life.
I always wanted to have chances and never feel that a very pretty girl is out of my league only because I was short.
So now I feel ok with myself and even I am not tall I don't look inferior aesthetically to the majority of women as I have a respectable height, a nice face and a very built body. But still most of women won't feel as excited they would with a man with my face and my muscles but tall.
And I want to live that feeling, to make women feel tiny and protected in front of you.
So even short men could find girls.
But not with the frequency that tall men do and most of the times they won't be as excited as with being with a man with a big body.
That's unfortunately the female nature and even an almost average height man like me with 48cm arms can't get past it as still women say that I am good but I would be excellent If I was 1.80 (about 5 cm more).
The main problem is that below 5'9 you will stand out in a bad way. It is very rare for a short person to climb the corporate ladder, but there have been short self made billionaires like Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos
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Thats the truth.
I had plenty of girls, maybe 2-3 more than the average man and the hottest of them was even before I did LL.
Some people would said that if a short man could have a girl like that then height does not matter. But the thing that you could have a nice girl does not change that women see short men as inferior. If someone is ok to find a woman and stay with her all of his life, not because she is his other half but because he knows that with his appearance he is not able to find something similar, then he would stay with her and live a "happy" life.
I always wanted to have chances and never feel that a very pretty girl is out of my league only because I was short.
So now I feel ok with myself and even I am not tall I don't look inferior aesthetically to the majority of women as I have a respectable height, a nice face and a very built body. But still most of women won't feel as excited they would with a man with my face and my muscles but tall.
And I want to live that feeling, to make women feel tiny and protected in front of you.
So even short men could find girls.
But not with the frequency that tall men do and most of the times they won't be as excited as with being with a man with a big body.
That's unfortunately the female nature and even an almost average height man like me with 48cm arms can't get past it as still women say that I am good but I would be excellent If I was 1.80 (about 5 cm more).
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And I want to live that feeling, to make women feel tiny and protected in front of you.
Well, I don't. But that's okay, to each his own.
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Thats the truth.
I had plenty of girls, maybe 2-3 more than the average man and the hottest of them was even before I did LL.
Some people would said that if a short man could have a girl like that then height does not matter. But the thing that you could have a nice girl does not change that women see short men as inferior. If someone is ok to find a woman and stay with her all of his life, not because she is his other half but because he knows that with his appearance he is not able to find something similar, then he would stay with her and live a "happy" life.
I always wanted to have chances and never feel that a very pretty girl is out of my league only because I was short.
So now I feel ok with myself and even I am not tall I don't look inferior aesthetically to the majority of women as I have a respectable height, a nice face and a very built body. But still most of women won't feel as excited they would with a man with my face and my muscles but tall.
And I want to live that feeling, to make women feel tiny and protected in front of you.
So even short men could find girls.
But not with the frequency that tall men do and most of the times they won't be as excited as with being with a man with a big body.
That's unfortunately the female nature and even an almost average height man like me with 48cm arms can't get past it as still women say that I am good but I would be excellent If I was 1.80 (about 5 cm more).
I've read many of your posts, and have to say that I pretty much totally agree with most of them.
I was a little over 5'5" before LL, I'm now a solid 5'8" at night (5'9" first thing in the morning). I did pretty well with women prior to LL because I have 9/10 facial aesthetics (I have been called hot/sexy/handsome/stud by many women and men lol over the years). BUT...at 5'5", I have definitely still felt inferior to my taller but less good looking friends. And my confidence wasn't what I wanted it to be. At 5'8" I'm still not tall, but the difference is like night and day and I definitely get more unsolicited attention from hot girls (and men...). 5'10" or 5'11" would be "safer" and at that height, you really wont experience any heightism, but I am totally fine at 5'8" and doing quite nicely.
BodyBuilder, do you feel you definitely need another LL? 5'9" is a great height.
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I've read many of your posts, and have to say that I pretty much totally agree with most of them.
I was a little over 5'5" before LL, I'm now a solid 5'8" at night (5'9" first thing in the morning). I did pretty well with women prior to LL because I have 9/10 facial aesthetics (I have been called hot/sxxy/handsome/stud by many women and men lol over the years). BUT...at 5'5", I have definitely still felt inferior to my taller but less good looking friends. And my confidence wasn't what I wanted it to be. At 5'8" I'm still not tall, but the difference is like night and day and I definitely get more unsolicited attention from hot girls (and men...). 5'10" or 5'11" would be "safer" and at that height, you really wont experience any heightism, but I am totally fine at 5'8" and doing quite nicely.
BodyBuilder, do you feel you definitely need another LL? 5'9" is a great height.
Well said. And as I see we were in the same situation before LL. I had some successes with women (due to my very good face and my fit body) but I never felt equal to taller dudes who even had less successes than me. I always found the need to compensate about my short stature.
Now I don't feel that I need to compensate but still I find my height as a drawback and I feel inferior to great looking women only for that. If I were taller than average then, honestly speaking, I wouldn't felt inferior even if my girl was Candice Swanepoel or any other model. A good face, a nice height and some big muscles are more than enough to date any girl you want, in terms of looks.
So that's why I really need another LL my friend, to feel completely fulfilled with myself.
I am not a clear 5.9, I am like you, a little more than 5.9 on the morning and 5.85 at evening. If I was 5.10 at night I wouldn't consider another LL, even though I believe that heightism stop to exist even on dating at 5.11, but now I really think it worths it.
Not to feel normal, this was the reason I did my first LL, but to be completely ok with myself and never ever hear any negative comment about my height, like you are not enough tall for me or you would have been excellent if you were a little taller and all these bs.
It's a pity to still have problems because you lack 4-5 cm so with another LL I truly believe that my height problems (subjective and objective) will completely go.
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For me personally i was unlucky in the genetic lottery, im both very short and below average looking in face. So thats my biggest concern with LL, im afraid that i will put so much energy and hope with this surgery - just to find out im still unattractive in girls eyes. On the other hand, not being perceived as an "outsider" by society i suppose is good enough.
Im a very social person though so i think thats what i will have to rely on later.
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Well said. And as I see we were in the same situation before LL. I had some successes with women (due to my very good face and my fit body) but I never felt equal to taller dudes who even had less successes than me. I always found the need to compensate about my short stature.
Now I don't feel that I need to compensate but still I find my height as a drawback and I feel inferior to great looking women only for that. If I were taller than average then, honestly speaking, I wouldn't felt inferior even if my girl was Candice Swanepoel or any other model. A good face, a nice height and some big muscles are more than enough to date any girl you want, in terms of looks.
So that's why I really need another LL my friend, to feel completely fulfilled with myself.
I am not a clear 5.9, I am like you, a little more than 5.9 on the morning and 5.85 at evening. If I was 5.10 at night I wouldn't consider another LL, even though I believe that heightism stop to exist even on dating at 5.11, but now I really think it worths it.
Not to feel normal, this was the reason I did my first LL, but to be completely ok with myself and never ever hear any negative comment about my height, like you are not enough tall for me or you would have been excellent if you were a little taller and all these bs.
It's a pity to still have problems because you lack 4-5 cm so with another LL I truly believe that my height problems (subjective and objective) will completely go.
I totally get it, you're preaching to the choir my friend! I think I'm older than you (young 30s), so for me, another LL is out of the question. I have the money, and since I'm honestly doing great with women now (including a 5'9" woman who recently called me "the perfect height"...but I'm also very built, like you)...I don't feel another LL will really benefit me that much to offset the physical and financial costs. It's frustrating, because where we are at 5'8"-5'9" (I say I'm 5'9" and no one bats an eye), we're sooooo close, but not quite "totally safe" yet. But honestly for me, since I'm good looking and successful, I can work with my height now. At 5'5", it honestly didnt' matter. Even though I got girls, I still sorta hated myself. That isn't the case anymore. Thank you LL.
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I totally get it, you're preaching to the choir my friend! I think I'm older than you (young 30s), so for me, another LL is out of the question. I have the money, and since I'm honestly doing great with women now (including a 5'9" woman who recently called me "the perfect height"...but I'm also very built, like you)...I don't feel another LL will really benefit me that much to offset the physical and financial costs. It's frustrating, because where we are at 5'8"-5'9" (I say I'm 5'9" and no one bats an eye), we're sooooo close, but not quite "totally safe" yet. But honestly for me, since I'm good looking and successful, I can work with my height now. At 5'5", it honestly didnt' matter. Even though I got girls, I still sorta hated myself. That isn't the case anymore. Thank you LL.
Yes, at our height we are in the field but our game is harder.
But at 5.5-6 and less we were not even in the game so the difference is big of course.
And yes, if you have a good appearance and much money then I don't believe that our height is a big obstacle for a successful life in all aspects.
But still I want to live without ever thinking (me and other people, especially women) about my height again and thats why I want to risk for another LL. As is said if I was a solid 5.10 and more I'd never think about it.
I wish you to continue your successful life.
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Well said. And as I see we were in the same situation before LL. I had some successes with women (due to my very good face and my fit body) but I never felt equal to taller dudes who even had less successes than me. I always found the need to compensate about my short stature.
Now I don't feel that I need to compensate but still I find my height as a drawback and I feel inferior to great looking women only for that. If I were taller than average then, honestly speaking, I wouldn't felt inferior even if my girl was Candice Swanepoel or any other model. A good face, a nice height and some big muscles are more than enough to date any girl you want, in terms of looks.
So that's why I really need another LL my friend, to feel completely fulfilled with myself.
I am not a clear 5.9, I am like you, a little more than 5.9 on the morning and 5.85 at evening. If I was 5.10 at night I wouldn't consider another LL, even though I believe that heightism stop to exist even on dating at 5.11, but now I really think it worths it.
Not to feel normal, this was the reason I did my first LL, but to be completely ok with myself and never ever hear any negative comment about my height, like you are not enough tall for me or you would have been excellent if you were a little taller and all these bs.
It's a pity to still have problems because you lack 4-5 cm so with another LL I truly believe that my height problems (subjective and objective) will completely go.
Have you decided what doctor your going to for femurs? And when do you think you'll do the surgery, are you currently saving up?
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Have you decided what doctor your going to for femurs? And when do you think you'll do the surgery, are you currently saving up?
Yes I am saving. And I plan to do it in the next 2 years. I haven't found the doctor yet but I am close to one-two.
But all these are offtopic.
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I totally get it, you're preaching to the choir my friend! I think I'm older than you (young 30s), so for me, another LL is out of the question. I have the money, and since I'm honestly doing great with women now (including a 5'9" woman who recently called me "the perfect height"...but I'm also very built, like you)...I don't feel another LL will really benefit me that much to offset the physical and financial costs. It's frustrating, because where we are at 5'8"-5'9" (I say I'm 5'9" and no one bats an eye), we're sooooo close, but not quite "totally safe" yet. But honestly for me, since I'm good looking and successful, I can work with my height now. At 5'5", it honestly didnt' matter. Even though I got girls, I still sorta hated myself. That isn't the case anymore. Thank you LL.
How much of that do you think was the LL, and how much do you think was just your newfound confidence & build?
Thank you.