Limb Lengthening Forum

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Removed stitches the day before yesterday. Healing ok, but scars gonna take long to fade. Here are some pics I just took

It's been a month, how are you doing? Are you able to walk?

dominikochal:

WTF man, you think that if a man is not 6'1 or 6'2 he is miserable with women? Where do you live? I know that women prefer tall guys but you paint such a picture as if you don't reach 6'1 with double LL, it's not worth it but it's not true. That guy who got crippled at Yuksel Yurttas probably also thought that way and that's why he did LL at 5'11 and wanted to reach 6'1. He probably thinks the same way and attributed his lack of success with women to his height (at least partially, but in reality height was not his issue at all).

You and others who think that way sound very delusional and think that all the men around the globe who fall between 5'7-5'11 struggle with women and only 6'1 and taller guys have no issues with them. I see many 5'7, 5'8 and 5'9 men in the streets with all kinds of women imaginable (short, tall, skinnny, curvy, blonde, brunette, etc.).

Imagine Jason Statham without fame and money, do you think he would struggle with women at his height of 5'8-5'9?

Now, below 5'7 is legit handicap for majority of men, no matter how good looking and athletic he might be. IMO strong 5'8 is enough for good looking and fit men in order not to be handicapped in dating. More is better but I prefer not to exceed 9 cm in total and settle at 174 cm rather than become crippled and reach 178-180 cm.

Now, you might say that Jason Statham would be jerking off in his home if he wouldn't be famous and reach because he's not 6'1 and hovers over 5'8. That's up to you to believe that. I see many men around Jason's height who look very masculine and well groomed & dressed who don't give a fk about being average height because they got other attributes of manliness that attract women and they know it.

If I was at least strong 5'8 I would never consider this surgery (even for one segment), but at 5'5 things are really hard and I'm going to gain at least 9 cm in two surgeries. I'm not willing to lengthen my femurs for 8-9 cm due to proportions and biomechanics, that's why I'm splitting that amount in two segments in two surgeries.

I bet that if a man at 5'8-5'9 range is unable to attract women, he won't be able to attract them at any height above it.

none of those image links for xrays work.

Growth plates may not be fused. Wait a few more years.

I'm going to do both segments, preferably in a ratio of 56:44 in favor of femur. I don't want to exceed safe limits but also want to increase each segment to its maximum safest limit. I'm going to start with femurs and after about 6 months (when the bones will be at least 75% healed) do tibia in order to save time and move on (I prefer to dedicate 2 years of my lifetime consecutively rather than going back for another segment after many years).

I'm not an athlete but recovery is very important to me. Of course I'm not expecting 100% recovery but I want to recover as efficiently as possible and am willing to sacrifice a couple of centimeters from both segments. In terms of recovery, I want to be able to jog, swim, do leg workouts without muscle problems and walk normally.

Starting height is strong 5'5 and starting lengths of tibia and femur are 34-35 cm and 43-44 cm, respectively.

I'm not going to exceed 15% of starting bone lengths so no more than 6.5 cm on femurs and no more than 5 cm on tibia. Although I'm okay with 5 cm femur and 4 cm tibia if the recovery will be significantly better compared to 6.5 cm on femurs and 5 cm on tibia.

By the way, I'm going to risk with LON femurs, there's no other option for me in foreseeable future and doing just 4 cm tibia is pointless in terms of height gain and I'm not willing to overlengthen my tibia for 6-7 cm for meaningful height gain in one surgery.

One of the Russian doctors mentioned in a video that joint and muscle contractures (especially at knees) happen after about 5.5-6.0 cm with LON femur. Due to that reason he says that he recommends splitting the lengthening in 2 phases if one wishes to lengthen more than 6 cm in their femurs. And Kulesh explicitly recommends maximum 4 cm on tibia due to achilles tendon issues after that amount.

Considering the abovementioned opinions of doctors and patient diaries, do you think that stopping at 5-5.5 cm on femurs and at 4-.4.5 cm in tibia worth it in terms of better recover? How do these numbers compare to 8 cm femur and 6 cm tibia recoveries (which seems to be the maximum safe limits according to western doctors)?

I understand that i will not proportions but gain is more.

The best height is 6.1 and 6.2.

Find video in YT when girls rejected short guys.
We do only for womans.

This is true.  It's been almost 5 years.  100% will not return for me.  He's right, you can choose one.  You will not have both.

Not at all, genetics play a lot of factor, but there are also environmental aspects. Fwiw, I'm literally taller than the rest of my immediate family. And I have this cousin who's my same height with a dad who's atleast 5'11. Nutrition played a role since was kind of a rather picky eater and slim kid during his younger years, even though his parents did try feeding him more meat. Boy is that regret right there.

In anycase, depending where you are, 5'5 to 5'6 might be fine. Personally where I am from, I'm fine with a lot of women at 5'6ish+~5'7 but since I'm looking at overseas and living there, it's definitely considered short but it's still a far better height than 5'3.

For 5'6 to 6', there are a lot of people, but it's generally done in quad LL. Even then, a lot of those successful ones are more of an exception than the norm, since you're looking at around 15cm of lengthening at minimum, which is arguably above the recommended limit of both pairs of segments. If done correctly, it's possible, but there are a lot of diaries which have had issues.

Also people here didn't mention nor seem to know but it's actually much less safe for a shorter guy to lengthen that extreme compared to someone who's already tall due to bone length percentage. So this is something you should consider given your current height.

Imo, just go max 8cm with femurs, atleast if your proportions seem fit with it.

Where are you originally from dude?

Dude, it's not about being at least 180 cm or nothing at all.  I never said that a man should be at least that height in order to be successful with most women. I'm saying that any height below solid 5'8 is a serious disadvantage for a man in dating life. He can be perfect in all areas but the sheer lack of height will hinder him with most women and his dating pool will be very small.

Besides, it's not about being a certain height, but not to have short and disproportional legs. Short legs are not attractive on men and it makes an already short man look even shorter than he really is.

So, the point of LL is not only to become taller but also to normalize leg-to-frame ratio and appear perfectly proportional with relatively long legs while reaching at least 5'8 height. Of course 5'10 and up is better but 5'8 is minimum for a man in order to feel taller than the average height women.

The mocking I mentioned in this post related to a man in his mid-30s who stands at about 5'3-5'5 range. He once claimed 5'10, then 5'8 1/2. Both of those claims sounded ridiculous from him as he's obviously a very short guy based on all the photos he posts and some forum members know him IRL and confirm that he's a short dude. That's another problem of short men who claim 4-5 inches taller heights than they really are. It's ridiculous and screams insecurity.

I have acknowledged that I'm a short man who enters his 30s and want to overcome this issue with the only right solution there is: double LL of at least 3 inches in total.

I don't want to look overcompensating man with thug style, MMA training flexing or other bull  like living in gym or something similar. I want to tackle the issue directly, without masking it with those bull  the majority of short men cope with. I don't want to look ridiculous with tons of muscles like that Jeff Nippard guy. Neither do I want to look like Lil Wayne with thug style and tons  ty tatts on my body. Neither do I want to train in Jiu Jitsu or MMA or in other martial arts in order to compensate my lack of height like most short guys do these days (Jiu Jitsu and MMA is short guys' panacea these days).

I don't know about that guy who got mocked on that forum, neither do I know about other short men around the globe who try to overcompensate with various ways. Either they don't know about LL or they think that they don't need it. It's fine if they think that way but I can't be like them because I don't think that way. Yeah, you can compensate with many things but at the end of the day you're still overcompensating short guy who look ridiculous with every attempt of overcompensating mechanism employed in your life.

Maybe some of them who know about LL but not plan to do it wish they did it in their hearts but are either broke or wary of side effects and refrain from doing it. But, what I'm 100% sure is that almost all short men around the globe wish they ended up being taller than shorter.

Again, to me, LL is not only about getting taller but also getting longer legs to appear long-legged and attractive. That's also very important besides height gain for a man. Now, if someone is already long-legged and needs LL for height gain, than he has to make compromises between inches and proportions. But, to me, LL is not only to become taller, but also to become more proportionate which is more important to me than reaching 180 cm of height. I'll be fine with 173 cm with long and attractive legs. At that height and with long legs, I won't look like a manlet and employing other things to become more attractive won't be perceived as overcompensation by others. That's what matters the most.

You are overthinking my friend. Hair, height, weight, appearance, money, inner confidence/ strength all matter. Height can matter a bit more than other things. But because you lack it, you tend to overthink it. And you are trying to find evidence to confirm your beliefs. You will definitely find evidence. You have to look at height holistically on where it fits into your goals in life and not in a reductionistic manner. I am 5 ft. 6 and I have had social issues because of it and was very insecure about it . My security has dwindled quite a bit over time. That is not because the world has changed. That is because I do not give that much importance to it compared to my other goals. You just have to prioritize and take action depending on how height fits into your overall goals. The reason being it involves money, risk, and time.

It is good to hear you will speak to an orthopedic soon. Feel free to let us know what he says.  Lots of people read the forum and can provide input that might be helpful.

Yes, "musicloverincal", I know people follow my diary, thats why I have almost 10.000 viewers...

So, today I met the orthopedist. He has a high rating in my country. He also worked as surgeon in Switzerland. He put implants, but only for accidents and deformities.
He understood my concerns regarding missing callus in tibias and only one screw left.
He said next week we shall do a special x-ray for highlighting the callus and then he will decide what will choose for me to do.
I keep working hard in the warm salted water pool and I can feel an improvement in force, balance and some muscle regain. But still I have big pain in my right tibia when walking...