Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Height & Proportions => Topic started by: DREAM on May 25, 2014, 05:35:03 AM
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Why the hell would you want to do this surgery????? you are at the average height of majority of western population. I don't understand, if i was 5 9' i would never considered this surgery the cost outweigh the benefits look at Sweden and Poly, the that happen to them can happen to you. I am only doing it cause my life sucks now as the fact if you're 5 5' you experience real disadvantages in life,
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I'm 5'6" and I understand your point of view. 3 inches would do wonders for me but there are so many tall people above 6' that I can understand them wanting to do it. But going to India doesn't seem worth it for anyone right now.
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Exactly. Bone infection, non-unions this is just crazy.
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I don't know who to trust and whether information given by doctors are valid. I can't afford the top tier doctors so my options are either Russia or Serbia.
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Russia and Serbia sound like good options and I would be headed there this year if I had the time. But I'm working on a masters degree and I work right now. I should be able to go in 3 years so I'll have plenty of time to save for Guichet, Betz or another top surgeon.
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I'm 5'7" but my wingspan and posture make people think I'm 5'9". I actually met with my father a few days ago and jokingly told him I'm the same height as Bruce Lee and Tom Cruise and he could not believe it (I don't wear lifts or inserts either).
I would be so happy tho to actually be 5'9". People say 5'9" is short but it can look really good on the right build. Also have to take into consideration a lot of the people who say they are "5'9" are actually 1-2 inches shorter. Actors listed as 5'10" and maybe a few 5'11" are actually real 5'9", and friends always BS their height. A solid 5'9" actually looks legit and decent. And man, even a solid 5'8" can look good if you are in good shape. You could also easily wear 1" inserts to get 5'9" after that. You could hit that with 1 CLL starting from 5'5".
Russia and Serbia are good options. I am really thinking of external tibs at Serbia someday.
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And what is exactly wrong with a guy who is 5'9" and wants to do LL or become taller? Each person has their own reasons for wanting to be taller, maybe they are suffering from their height (whether it is the average height or not).
Either way you should be comprehending these people since you both feel the same way and both want to achieve the same goal.
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Why the hell would you want to do this surgery????? you are at the average height of majority of western population. I don't understand, if i was 5 9' i would never considered this surgery the cost outweigh the benefits look at Sweden and Poly, the s**t that happen to them can happen to you. I am only doing it cause my life sucks now as the fact if you're 5 5' you experience real disadvantages in life,
Has it ever occurred to that some people want to be tall, you stupid retard? The only people who make statements like this are insecure men who envy the height of taller members. Also, 5' 9" is short in several European countries, so they should not have to accept being a couple of inches below the average height of their country just because some insecure pussy is having an angsty moan about taller leg-lengtheners the Internet.
Stop discriminating, get over it and stop being a bítch.
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Height neurosis is relative.
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When I was 5'5, I didn't understand people considering to do LL when they were already around 5'9. I thought it was unnecessary. I didn't envy them, it's just that 5'9 seemed good enough.
Now, at almost 5'8, I do understand them. I understand them perfectly :D
There's good, and then there's better.
It's like living in a nice home, having a nice car.. And thinking about buying a yacht. It's capitalism at its finest. And why not? It seems to me that we only live once.. Do what makes you happy.
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Has it ever occurred to that some people want to be tall, you stupid retard? The only people who make statements like this are insecure men who envy the height of taller members. Also, 5' 9" is short in several European countries, so they should not have to accept being a couple of inches below the average height of their country just because some insecure pussy is having an angsty moan about taller leg-lengtheners the Internet.
Stop discriminating, get over it and stop being a bítch.
I don't think he was discriminating. I think if you are 5'5" then being just 2 or 3 inches taller is a huge difference and 5'9" sounds amazing. I can see why someone doesn't understand getting LL at an average height in many countries.
Calling someone a stupid and a pussy without considering their point of view is stupid. And calling someone a retard?? Well it's pretty easy to conclude that you FrankGarrett are a piece of s**t?
Stay classy Frank! ;)
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I don't think he was discriminating. I think if you are 5'5" then being just 2 or 3 inches taller is a huge difference and 5'9" sounds amazing. I can see why someone doesn't understand getting LL at an average height in many countries.
Calling someone a stupid and a pussy without considering their point of view is stupid. And calling someone a retard?? Well it's pretty easy to conclude that you FrankGarrett are a piece of s**t?
Stay classy Frank! ;)
Well said! We are all here because of the same reason, we want to be taller no matter what our height is. I like this forum where we all share the same goal and are passionate about it. It is a bit like a big family where people won't judge (unless you're a cry baby like Leechlet!) jk ;) but will support you and give you advice the best they can! Even though I'm on the tall side, I perfectly understand Dream's reaction!
I presume that we are all adults here so everyone is entitled to their own opinion and open to debate. Name calling is not only childish but offensive. You will see that politeness goes a long way in life.
No matter what your height is, any guy that wasn't happy with his height and had the balls to do LL is a winner in my book!
English is my 2nd language, I am french Canadian so I apologize if I there was any mistakes!
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I understand why truly short people get frustrated with people around average height who are considering this. However there is a difference between taking out loans and going to india and having a substantial savings and going to a top tier surgeon.
At around my height, 5 8, I view it as a near essential to add to my height, as it is tangible how it would influence my life in every respect, even perhaps one day returning on the significant financial investment.
It is a very desirable luxury at near average, and a necessity for those well below it, I think.
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Has it ever occurred to that some people want to be tall, you stupid retard? The only people who make statements like this are insecure men who envy the height of taller members. Also, 5' 9" is short in several European countries, so they should not have to accept being a couple of inches below the average height of their country just because some insecure pussy is having an angsty moan about taller leg-lengtheners the Internet.
Stop discriminating, get over it and stop being a bítch.
Frank. Inappropriate, vulgar and childish reponse. You should be banned.
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Da hell@Frank response....
Solid 5'9" is decent is most of the world except some Eastern and Northern Euro countries.
Starting at 5'9" in one of those countries, I would consider CLL, since the neurosis would be the same as it is in the U.S. being 2.5 inches below the average. Using 1x CLL to get 5'9" however and then wanting another surgery = gotta wonder If the recovery, financial, time, pain, and proportion returns are worth it in the short and long-term.
But some people still have height neurosis even when they're average, or in the 80th percentile (one guy was 5'11" and got CLL).... So it's relative to how you feel in the end. Does it make sense for an average guy to want to be taller? Yes. Does it make sense for him to want to go through CLL for it tho? Not from a logical POV. But neither does a thin girl feeling like she's fat and making herself vomit, or the musclebound guy at the gym feeling like he's not bulked up enough.
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Well the motivation with the second surgery is like this: "I already wrecked my athletic performance, left leg hurts too, might as well add a few more inches/centimeters to make it worth all the pain." And then there's the counter idea: "But I can still fairly do X, Y (for me it's dance & fitness), why should I risk that?" My left leg hurts when I stand up for too long. I enjoy the pain but for most people it would be annoying, even disturbing. I can bear it for now, I'm sure it'll go away but I'd be able to bear it for a lifetime, but do I need more of that pain? Do I need to inflict more trauma to my body now that height is not a significant disadvantage anymore?
And then you make your own, rational decision.
I'm the sort of guy who prefers physical pain to emotional pain. I've already made the rational decision for myself.
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I'm 157cm and I don't understand why people above 170cm wants CLL...
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Well here it goes:
157cm wants to be 170
170cm wants to be 178
178cm wants to be 183, 6'0ft
183cm wants to be 188, 6'2ft
and so on! Unless you're 193cm, 6'4" we all want to be taller for various reasons!
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I'm 157cm and I don't understand why people above 170cm wants CLL...
While I understand it, I still consider it as a costly luxury rather than a necessity. I'm okay with luxury, but I admit it is what it is.
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I can see how it could seem like a necessity to some people. I'm 5'6" and I know that it has held me back but it doesn't seem like a necessity. When I see another male who is 5'3" or less I can't imagine how it has been for them, but it seems more like a necessity.
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Well the motivation with the second surgery is like this: "I already wrecked my athletic performance, left leg hurts too"........ My left leg hurts when I stand up for too long. I enjoy the pain but for most people it would be annoying, even disturbing. I can bear it for now, I'm sure it'll go away but I'd be able to bear it for a lifetime, but do I need more of that pain? Do I need to inflict more trauma to my body now that height is not a significant disadvantage anymore?
You had pretty high quality internals for your femurs if I recall, and you have that many probs still? Would you have wished to go 6 cm instead of 8 if you knew you would do a 2nd CLL in the future? Like 6 cm and then 5 cm (2 conservative CLL) as opposed to 8 cm and 7 cm?
I mean in terms of recovery and payoff. That pain/annoyance you feel now x2 and for a lifetime doesn't seem like a good idea??
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I'm 5'7 I have the money to do this surgery in the USA , but I still won't do it till something better come out if not I won't risk my health and spend all this money , yes I am short but I don't feel like I am too short to work and make good $ or to have girl friend I am doing fine with both $ and girls .
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I'm 5'7 I have the money to do this surgery in the USA , but I still won't do it till something better come out if not I won't risk my health and spend all this money , yes I am short but I don't feel like I am too short to work and make good $ or to have girl friend I am doing fine with both $ and girls .
Its likely you are gonna have to wait 10 years minimum for an alternative to leg lengthening imo.. i could never wait that long, also who knows if that alternative will be completely complication free or without set backs, not worth it waiting for something when you dont know what you are gonna get imo..
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If something was 10 years away, you'd at least have heard of it by now. An alternative is many decades or even centuries away.
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If something was 10 years away, you'd at least have heard of it by now. An alternative is many decades or even centuries away.
I would agree with that, but according to Michael over at naturalheightgrowth.com, he states that there already today exists the technology to replace damaged spinal discs, and the ability to increase their thickness to make the spine taller. However to actually use this as a safe procedure and also for cosmetic purposes would take a very long time as mentioned.
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Wait is something stupid. You wont have any other alternative. If anyone apperars it will take more than ten/fiveteen years to start to use it from you heard about it the first time. And you dont know if that option will be healt risk that probably will be
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You had pretty high quality internals for your femurs if I recall, and you have that many probs still? Would you have wished to go 6 cm instead of 8 if you knew you would do a 2nd CLL in the future? Like 6 cm and then 5 cm (2 conservative CLL) as opposed to 8 cm and 7 cm?
I mean in terms of recovery and payoff. That pain/annoyance you feel now x2 and for a lifetime doesn't seem like a good idea??
I would've went all the way to 8 cm if I could, unfortunately early (premature) consolidation got into my way. I had to try going all the way in femurs because I know I can't do the same in tibiae. My achilles tendons are naturally short/stiff by birth, even if I get a gastrocnemius-soleus release done (which I will, next year) I still have to stick to conservative amounts if I ever decide to do a second LL. 6 cm in tibiae and I would call it a day.
Pain is normal, I don't have it all the time, it comes when I've been walking for over an hour, or standing up all day long (as I have, in an open air festival/concert). It's manageable. There was a cute nurse taking my x-rays at the hospital. One time she asked me, "Is it really worth it?" I said "Financially or mentally"? She said the latter, and I replied "I'd do it ten times if I could". I still have the same opinion about LL.
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I'm 5'7 I have the money to do this surgery in the USA , but I still won't do it till something better come out if not I won't risk my health and spend all this money , yes I am short but I don't feel like I am too short to work and make good $ or to have girl friend I am doing fine with both $ and girls .
Why wait? Internal nail works well and you get tiny scars, good enough for me!
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Why wait? Internal nail works well and you get tiny scars, good enough for me!
I wanna see long video of someone who done it ! Let's be honest we just hear I'm back to normal life etc why not to show video , running , jumping etc
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I wanna see long video of someone who done it ! Let's be honest we just hear I'm back to normal life etc why not to show video , running , jumping etc
I've uploaded videos of myself walking and walking up stairs.
A lot of people have uploaded post-surgery videos.
OBG did internals and he uploaded a video of himself skiing.
By being skeptical you're holding yourself back
There's more than enough proof of people recovering to a good point
(Or you don't need this surgery at all, which is fine)
Sorry, it's just that the "I'll wait X years till a good alternative comes up" attitude annoys me a lot. Life is too short to afford waiting. If you need to do something (and really need to do it) don't postpone it.
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Oh, and one more thing - having a girlfriend (or wife) or being wealthy is irrelevant to the need to do LL. I come from a fairly wealthy family (for my country at least), I've had girlfriends and rewarding relationships, but I still knew that I needed to do this.
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Amen. I know that if i don't do this i would never be happy with my life.
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When I was 5'5, I didn't understand people considering to do LL when they were already around 5'9. I thought it was unnecessary. I didn't envy them, it's just that 5'9 seemed good enough.
Now, at almost 5'8, I do understand them. I understand them perfectly :D
There's good, and then there's better.
It's like living in a nice home, having a nice car.. And thinking about buying a yacht. It's capitalism at its finest. And why not? It seems to me that we only live once.. Do what makes you happy.
Very good point Chris/Up. I'm just under 5'6", and it infuriates me every time I see a guy who is already at least 5'8" doing LL. In my mind, as long as you have other things going for you (facial aesthetics, good body, decent career/income, personality, etc.), 5'8" is nothing to sweat. But I'm sure after I do my LL and get to like 5'8.5"...I'll still occasionally feel short. But I will be LESS short, and I guess my height neurosis will have been cured, since I did the impossible and got taller. The main thing for me is I just need to be taller than the average woman (my age), which has to be 5'6" these days (if not close to 5'7").
Just need to get off the waiting list and get an official date...hoping to get this one at some point in late June. Fingers crossed! I'm at a point where I just want to move on in my life. At a tad under 5'6", I've done pretty well with girls (though by no means have I ever been or want to be a player). I just wanna be 5'8" ish...at that height, with my other strengths, I'll be fine. I'm only going through this sh*t once lol
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If I may ask, which doctor are you doing LL with Yellowspike and will you be making a diary?
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If I may ask, which doctor are you doing LL with Yellowspike and will you be making a diary?
Dr. Rozbruch, and I will definitely be making a very detailed diary!
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there are more and more people who are 5'9 and plus and want to do this surgery.
Whithout counting all these delusional guys who are 5'6" and aim 183-185-188 cm and so on
WTF?If every short men did this surgery, guys who are my height would be short.
Fortunately this surgery is not mainstream.
http/www link edit
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i apologize for the link, doesn't work
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I've uploaded videos of myself walking and walking up stairs.
A lot of people have uploaded post-surgery videos.
OBG did internals and he uploaded a video of himself skiing.
By being skeptical you're holding yourself back
There's more than enough proof of people recovering to a good point
(Or you don't need this surgery at all, which is fine)
Sorry, it's just that the "I'll wait X years till a good alternative comes up" attitude annoys me a lot. Life is too short to afford waiting. If you need to do something (and really need to do it) don't postpone it. I don't wanna wait man and for sure I wanna do the surgery this is why I'm here can u post a link to these videos
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Hey Shortie,
Check out the link I posted a few minutes ago on my diary.
It's my first gym video.
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Ok will do !
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The life of a 5'9" guy (extreme case!).
https://www.facebook.com/danbilzerianofficial?fref=ts
I really don't think 5'9" can/should hold someone back from doing anything. You can pull girls np, make the money, be confident etc.
People may say "he's a lil short" or "he's average" - if they're asked, but that height isn't a detriment to anything in reality and not a height people whisper behind your back about or talk about. It's not an "unmanly" height either.
Just IMO. Ofc it all depends on how the individual feels and if you got bad height neurosis then nothing will change your mind.
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The diference between a guy of 5'5 and one of 5'9 is that the 5'5 guy always will be judge by his height and the 5'9 isnt.
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The diference between a guy of 5'5 and one of 5'9 is that the 5'5 guy always will be judge by his height and the 5'9 isnt.
This. I always said that at about 5'8" (1.5 inches below average) is the "cutoff" for when your height can become a major issue. Though I feel like even the 5'7" ish guys generally get away with a lot of the heightism that's out there. 5'8"-5'9" really isn't much of a handicap unless you're dealing with women who have ultra strict height requirements of 6'0" and above.
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The life of a 5'9" guy (extreme case!).
https://www.facebook.com/danbilzerianofficial?fref=ts
I really don't think 5'9" can/should hold someone back from doing anything. You can pull girls np, make the money, be confident etc.
People may say "he's a lil short" or "he's average" - if they're asked, but that height isn't a detriment to anything in reality and not a height people whisper behind your back about or talk about. It's not an "unmanly" height either.
Just IMO. Ofc it all depends on how the individual feels and if you got bad height neurosis then nothing will change your mind.
That guy is all over facebook these days, had no idea he was 5'9 though, how do you know for sure? Also i heard he won most of his money through poker and inherited the rest or something.. of course with his kind of money height doesnt really matter, especially not when he is close to average anyway. Without his money his height could still end up being an issue for some people (girls mainly) if he is 5'9
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That guy is all over facebook these days, had no idea he was 5'9 though, how do you know for sure? Also i heard he won most of his money through poker and inherited the rest or something.. of course with his kind of money height doesnt really matter, especially not when he is close to average anyway. Without his money his height could still end up being an issue for some people (girls mainly) if he is 5'9
I disagree. No idea what the guy looks like...but in my opinion, fundamentally speaking, if you're at least decent looking and take care of yourself, 5'9" should NOT be a handicap with women. At 5'9" you're taller than most girls even with their precious heels on (unless the girls are like 5'7" and wearing 12 inch stilettos, which some do, yes). I've never heard of women turning men down for being that height unless they were ultra extreme heightists and wouldn't date anyone 6'2" and up (but why would you want those girls anyway). I know for me, even if I did the surgery and got to 6'0" (which would never happen since I'm 5'6" and only doing this once), I wouldn't even want those girls.
At 5'6" or below, you start to be REALLY screwed, because a lot of girls are already your height, and when they put their heels on, you don't stand a chance. Not only do you obviously not get the heightists (no matter how good looking you are), you also start getting rejected by women who don't care that much about height simply because you're shorter than a lot of girls and look shorter compared to a lot of guys.
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I disagree. No idea what the guy looks like...but in my opinion, fundamentally speaking, if you're at least decent looking and take care of yourself, 5'9" should NOT be a handicap with women. At 5'9" you're taller than most girls even with their precious heels on (unless the girls are like 5'7" and wearing 12 inch stilettos, which some do, yes). I've never heard of women turning men down for being that height unless they were ultra extreme heightists and wouldn't date anyone 6'2" and up (but why would you want those girls anyway). I know for me, even if I did the surgery and got to 6'0" (which would never happen since I'm 5'6" and only doing this once), I wouldn't even want those girls.
At 5'6" or below, you start to be REALLY screwed, because a lot of girls are already your height, and when they put their heels on, you don't stand a chance. Not only do you obviously not get the heightists (no matter how good looking you are), you also start getting rejected by women who don't care that much about height simply because you're shorter than a lot of girls and look shorter compared to a lot of guys.
Well the bolded that you mentioned yourself is the reason why 5'9 could easily be a problem for some girls, at least when living in a country like Sweden, You arent short compared to the girls, but when compared to majority of dudes you will stand out as short or at least shorter, which could easily be an issue for some girls and in some situations, definitely at parties or social events if you are the shortest guy, even if you arent technically short it could be an issue. In my opinion it seems to be that way.
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The most interesting man in the world is actually just 5'7''...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U18VkI0uDxE
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0326091/
:)
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Well the bolded that you mentioned yourself is the reason why 5'9 could easily be a problem for some girls, at least when living in a country like Sweden, You arent short compared to the girls, but when compared to majority of dudes you will stand out as short or at least shorter, which could easily be an issue for some girls and in some situations, definitely at parties or social events if you are the shortest guy, even if you arent technically short it could be an issue. In my opinion it seems to be that way.
Touche. I suppose it's all relative. I guess I just can't fathom myself at 5'9" (all else equal) and having any issues with my height.
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The most interesting man in the world is actually just 5'7''...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U18VkI0uDxE
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0326091/
:)
interesting isn't always attractive, while a girl with a brain will appreciate that a superficial girl won't find him attractive no matter what and ad I know that, not because of bad looks or height but, I'm often in groups with them and when they talk , they talk about everything , and what they find most attractive in man is a mix between mystery/good looks/height/good in bed/power
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Honestly the girls who are not worth taking home to mum or not worth marrying are automatically weeded out because of a man's short stature. If you were a tall guy all the sloots and loser girls would be interested in you and you'd have to wonder about their sincerity or how superficial they are. Us short guys don't have that problem. Only decent girls who care about feelings and compatibility above all else are interested in giving a chance to slightly below average height guys (unless you got a huge dck or good looking face, then you'd have to wonder). 8)
Btw mystery and having a distinguished look is SO huge to women. Getting premature gray/silver hair like a skunk tail on my head was like adding +10 cool and memorable points. I would take being a distinguished 5'7-8" guy over a plain 6'0" Joe any day.
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Honestly the girls who are not worth taking home to mum or not worth marrying are automatically weeded out because of a man's short stature. If you were a tall guy all the sloots and loser girls would be interested in you and you'd have to wonder about their sincerity or how superficial they are. Us short guys don't have that problem. Only decent girls who care about feelings and compatibility above all else are interested in giving a chance to slightly below average height guys (unless you got a huge dck or good looking face, then you'd have to wonder). 8)
Btw mystery and having a distinguished look is SO huge to women. Getting premature gray/silver hair like a skunk tail on my head was like adding +10 cool and memorable points. I would take being a distinguished 5'7-8" guy over a plain 6'0" Joe any day.
Totally agree. And that's why I'm only doing one surgery to get to 5'8-5'8.5"...I've already got the facial aesthetics. I just feel that anything below 5'7" ish is really bad, and when you should get LL. I don't need nor do I want to be 6ft to capture that horrible group of women. Many of those women will end up single well into their 30s wondering why on Earth they can't find a "good man" anyway. Don't come to me now! lol
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hallijah! i agree with your mix, it makes sense, but this is the kind of discussion were rgkey could give good insights.. not me..loool ;)
i just wanted to make the point that we all know about success stories (not only with women, but with life in general..) of people that are short but managed to compensate that with other qualities, i personally know several.. even guys shorter than me.. that does not invalidate our quest for height..
i think every person is unique and deals with height neurosis in different ways.. i will do limb lengthening surgery, but i tried in my twenties to succeed without it, now at 32 yrs i figured out that this is really what i have to do.. i'm don't feel like regretting not have it done before, it could have worked out differently, it just didn't..
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Honestly the girls who are not worth taking home to mum or not worth marrying are automatically weeded out because of a man's short stature. If you were a tall guy all the sloots and loser girls would be interested in you and you'd have to wonder about their sincerity or how superficial they are. Us short guys don't have that problem. Only decent girls who care about feelings and compatibility above all else are interested in giving a chance to slightly below average height guys (unless you got a huge dck or good looking face, then you'd have to wonder). 8)
Btw mystery and having a distinguished look is SO huge to women. Getting premature gray/silver hair like a skunk tail on my head was like adding +10 cool and memorable points. I would take being a distinguished 5'7-8" guy over a plain 6'0" Joe any day.
this true is so many ways I have cpl stores in 2 dif malls last month I was watching short guys and what kind of women they have or hang out with , a lot of short dudes with good looking women married and happy also a lot of tall guys with trashy women so it's not that bad as it appear to us and to the ppl here , and this is really why I don't come here much or on the old forum as I used too .
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Other thing I notice a lot of the women who is 5'6 to 5'10 they are with guys shorter than them ,and a lot of the 4'10 women to 5'3 with very tall guys I didn't see a lot of these short women with short dudes .
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Other thing I notice a lot of the women who is 5'6 to 5'10 they are with guys shorter than them ,and a lot of the 4'10 women to 5'3 with very tall guys I didn't see a lot of these short women with short dudes .
I kinda think that is because very short women are themselves insecure about their own height, so they only date men 7ft and above in order to compensate (and also have a chance at normal sized children, of course). I think taller women (starting at around 5'6"-5'7") don't have height/high heel obsessions, so they're (slightly) more forgiving when it comes to height. Unless they're the type that are insecure of feeling "big," and so too only date super tall guys.
At 5'6" a lot of the women I've dated/messed with have been like 5'7"-5'8". They've all asked me out first, I just don't have the balls to ask out a woman that's taller than me, since I usually assume they wouldn't be open to dating a shorter guy. Though my only significant gf that I dated for 5 years was around 5'3".
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I kinda think that is because very short women are themselves insecure about their own height, so they only date men 7ft and above in order to compensate (and also have a chance at normal sized children, of course). I think taller women (starting at around 5'6"-5'7") don't have height/high heel obsessions, so they're (slightly) more forgiving when it comes to height. Unless they're the type that are insecure of feeling "big," and so too only date super tall guys.
At 5'6" a lot of the women I've dated/messed with have been like 5'7"-5'8". They've all asked me out first, I just don't have the balls to ask out a woman that's taller than me, since I usually assume they wouldn't be open to dating a shorter guy. Though my only significant gf that I dated for 5 years was around 5'3".
that could be why , i also dated / messed with some girls 5'6 to 5'8 but I am attracted more to smaller girls
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I understand why shorter girls date taller men, when you see a short couple the first thing u notice is how short they are , it may not be as important to a man who wants to be happy , but it may be for a girl who has always dealt with being judged, which in order to survive makes them superficial most of the time, and I'm also sure if u put one of the most superficial girls on an island with you only u two, she'll be more interested about having a good time and she'll start liking you.. What we are being judged for, girls have been judged for most of their life, and its our fault both men and women, so instead of entering this cycle I better improve my game and discover the joy of life
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I understand why shorter girls date taller men, when you see a short couple the first thing u notice is how short they are , it may not be as important to a man who wants to be happy , but it may be for a girl who has always dealt with being judged, which in order to survive makes them superficial most of the time, and I'm also sure if u put one of the most superficial girls on an island with you only u two, she'll be more interested about having a good time and she'll start liking you.. What we are being judged for, girls have been judged for most of their life, and its our fault both men and women, so instead of entering this cycle I better improve my game and discover the joy of life
I dont really understand that logic, a short man would easily have been judged a lot more than a short girl would, so i dont think that is the reason why short girls are more height obsessed when it comes to the partner. I thin it might have to do with social customs, girls are generally attention whores because of television and hollywood influence, and short girls to get noticed can compensate by getting a very tall guy. It might also have something to do with short girls looking for taller men because they want their children to get a better chance to become average height or more.
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I dont really understand that logic, a short man would easily have been judged a lot more than a short girl would, so i dont think that is the reason why short girls are more height obsessed when it comes to the partner. I thin it might have to do with social customs, girls are generally attention whores because of television and hollywood influence, and short girls to get noticed can compensate by getting a very tall guy. It might also have something to do with short girls looking for taller men because they want their children to get a better chance to become average height or more.
Maybe he meant that women are judged a lot by their looks? On average, we as men care more about looks than women do. I don't care how rich or confident a woman is - if I'm not attracted to her, the conversation doesn't start. But if there's one aspect of physical looks that is greatest dealbreaker in the dating world - it's a man's height. We know this.
In my opinion, the only real female equivalent to a short man would be (perhaps) an ugly woman. Fat girls can get off their ass and stop being fat, but if a woman is just ugly, there's not much she can do save for tons of plastic surgery (just the way LL is our only way to get taller). I've also seen that even older women who are attractive still do fine with dating, and can still be tough about a guy's height.
I dated a cougar last year for a while. She was 5'1" and flat out told me that she married her ex husband (whom she said she never loved) soley becuase he was 6'3" and she wanted tall kids (and both kids ended up short - jokes on her). She said that if I were her age, she would seriously date me, though. She kept ragging on my height, meanwhile at 5'6" I practically towered over her. This experience led me to believe that short woman can be really insecure with their own height and use a tall man to compensate.
Women are strange creatures indeed. Can't live with em, can't live without em :)
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And how about living in Asia? No need to get LL there and chicks dig white dudes! ;)
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I wouldn't even think of getting CLL if it were only to attract women. I more than compensate for my height in that scene with other qualities and think anyone can. Sure you will strike out on date sites since you won't get a chance on there, but in person all you really need is a min to talk or show them some depth/sincerity and you're in. They are driven by emotion which doesn't come into play when they set preferences on date sites for men's height or take polls about men's height. That is more their logical, thinking side, which means nothing cuz they're 99% emotional. Tallest girl ever into me was a 177 cm Czech model who literally told me that taller guys were her preference.
Like I said in another topic, women found Kit Harrington (171 cm) and Peter Dinklage (135 cm) to be the sexiest characters on Game of Thrones - and it's because their depth of character is so overwhelming. And if your character sucks cuz you're a plain dude, or you're ugly, then learn Game and how to pull. One of the best players of pulling women is a short, balding, 30-year-old ginger guy (forgot his name but he's like 173 cm max). He pulls sloots out of the walls.
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Pheww! Cant make a joke around here! :P
I've never had really any problems for dating, I have game, face and bod altho sometimes you have to work a bit harder for the really hot ones. Mannequins, a cheerleader, 2 doctors and all the others had hot bods. But I still consider living and working in Asia a few years at least just because I love traveling and discovering new cultures and food. When you wake up in a different country, its an awesome way to start ur day!
Also, no fat chix there! ;D
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Oh no dood, didn't mean you personally. Just this topic turned into one about how women only care about height or something.
Male arousal and stimulation is SO visual and men oft think women must be the same because they can't think of it any other way. Once a man gets over that hurdle he'll see that the way he looks plays a much smaller role than he thinks. Most women don't even find tall, nude male models arousing at all (if they don't know them) and don't even like penises - that they don't have feelings attached to. The main technique with basting women is appealing to their feelings and making them feel good around you (that is what the art of pulling is all about or, if you got good character, then being sincere and competent). Make that happen and they'll even get super dirty just to please you. Problem is to make the women feel good you have to feel good about yourself - that is the only time height actually gets in your way - when you sabotage yourself over it.
And yea Asia is awesome. Want to move to HK someday for the opportunities.
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Why is HK awesome? Just curious. The company I started working for this week has an office in HK that I may have to visit.
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Why is HK awesome? Just curious. The company I started working for this week has an office in HK that I may have to visit.
Last post in this thread.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=629.msg10806#msg10806
I just fell in love with it from afar. What company you in with?
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I hear you!
The next 2 sessions (fall and winter) I'm taking intensive mandarin lessons (2 per semester) followed by a 10 week summer program arranged by my university in Wuhan, China for 200h of lessons, equivalent to 4 more courses. So by next summer Ill have 8 courses of mandarin done! Combined with my BAdmin I should be able to find something interesting.
Watch out China girls, white laowai coming soon to a theater near you! :)
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LOL. tbh i don't think you want to date Chinese girls.
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Why is that, do they smell funny? ;D
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clingy. Assertive. Bossy, gold diggers.
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Plus language barrier.
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clingy. Assertive. Bossy, gold diggers.
You've just described almost all the women in North America, so I'm not worried about that! ;)
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Oh no dood, didn't mean you personally. Just this topic turned into one about how women only care about height or something.
Male arousal and stimulation is SO visual and men oft think women must be the same because they can't think of it any other way. Once a man gets over that hurdle he'll see that the way he looks plays a much smaller role than he thinks. Most women don't even find tall, nude male models arousing at all (if they don't know them) and don't even like penises - that they don't have feelings attached to. The main technique with basting women is appealing to their feelings and making them feel good around you (that is what the art of pulling is all about or, if you got good character, then being sincere and competent). Make that happen and they'll even get super dirty just to please you. Problem is to make the women feel good you have to feel good about yourself - that is the only time height actually gets in your way - when you sabotage yourself over it.
And yea Asia is awesome. Want to move to HK someday for the opportunities.
from personal experience, if I'm not interested in that girl I will miserably fail, I mean not fail but I come out as a liar , but if I'm interested Idk something in my mind makes me work until I get her interest back and then I succeed, but then again i get tired very quickly, not interested anymore in her,I'll go away from her, just to regret it the day after, story of my life
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In my humble opinion: as someone who has undergone LL. Height is relative. No males or very few desire to be the smallest person of any specific group. Heightism exists. Even during my LL experience I was surrounded by a dozen LL patients ranging from a starting height of 5'2" to 5'9" (we actually had a 6'0" gentleman visit and contemplate gaining an additional 2" but he declined in the end)
That being said, even amongst LL patients who were all undergoing the same procedure for the same reasons which was to be taller, I witnessed discrimination or dismissal of worth exhibited toward the smaller of the group ( 5'4" and below) and a faint hint of a superiority complex amongst the taller patients (5'6" and above). It appears to me that heightism is an ingrained social trait deep rooted in biology that manifests in awful ways at times.
I believe it it no ones right to judge or set boundaries for another as to what is an appropriate height to be. It is my understanding that in India the average male stands near 5'5". Therefore a 5'7" would be amongst the taller of any given group. Now in Scandinavia where the average height approaches 6'0" for men a 5'7" would most definitely be amongst the most diminutive of any group.
Who are we to judge? Have we ever spent a day in the life of another person who only wishes to alter themselves?
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Yeah for sure its relative to the environment, since it is a cosmetic surgery we pay for anybody should be allowed to do it without getting crap for it.
I was 5'9 before the surgery, and i live in Sweden. I never had the need to be the tallest in a group in most situations. But since the average for males in Sweden is ca 180 cm, while i wasnt towered by majority of the people, i was almost always one of the shortest men in a group even if it was only by a small height difference. It sucks because you become a bit overshadowed when you stand out in a negative way like that. I would probably have gone for more height if it was possible to recover fully, but over 5 cm you will lose some athleticism/agility that will be noticable compared to doing less which will probably not be noticeable. So i had to prioritize recovery and proportions over gaining additional height.
If i lived in Asia i would probably have been satisfied at 5'9. But i could never consider moving now, i want to be a winner and a big shot/fish in the shark tank so to speak.
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I live in Sweden too and I have always been a winner in my life regarding everything - except height!
I guess I compensated my short stature with my athletic career and working harder than anyone else.
I've sensed that I've been held back a lot in my field of work bc of my height!
Sadly, 180cm is not enough in Sweden so I'm aiming for another 5cm.
I'm not the guy who is satisfied with a good life - I want a GREAT life!! :)
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Sweden
You say height held you back in your career.
You have done LL and are now average height. I understand you lost your job after increasing your height. correct me if I am wrong.
Looks like LL didn't really improve your career. If anything it made things worse. Now you are going for more when you didn't gain anything career-wise from your first surgery.
AT 180cm height is no longer the problem in ur life. Time to start looking at other things to improve urself/life.
What's the point of towering other males with ballerina, x-leg, limping around and bringing home a lower pay-cheque than the one you had when u were 5'8.
The comments you make on LL forums lately also show that you are an angrier and frustrated man after LL.
Just a get a job and move on with ur life before your wife leaves you for another man. if that man turns out to be taller than u please don't blame it on height.
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Naaa, I'm just gonna do whatever I want to do - just like I always have. It has worked out very well for me the past 17 years. ;D
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Sweden
You say height held you back in your career.
You have done LL and are now average height. I understand you lost your job after increasing your height. correct me if I am wrong.
Looks like LL didn't really improve your career. If anything it made things worse. Now you are going for more when you didn't gain anything career-wise from your first surgery.
AT 180cm height is no longer the problem in ur life. Time to start looking at other things to improve urself/life.
What's the point of towering other males with ballerina, x-leg, limping around and bringing home a lower pay-cheque than the one you had when u were 5'8.
The comments you make on LL forums lately also show that you are an angrier and frustrated man after LL.
Just a get a job and move on with ur life before your wife leaves you for another man. if that man turns out to be taller than u please don't blame it on height.
Some people tend to blame everything on height where there is obvious and SEVERE flaws in other departments.
The most worrying part is you can't stop them can you? It is their life and their body.
I have get to know a lot of people in life and a golden rule I learned is to accept that we are all different and every single person has atleast one "socially weird" attribute. But after several years reading old forum and LL Forum (on and off for months inbetween) I cannot help but to admit that there are a unevenly high amount of wackos in this community that you would rarely see in the daily life.
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Of course, bc you need to be totally insane to do this surgery ;D
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Sweden
You say height held you back in your career.
You have done LL and are now average height. I understand you lost your job after increasing your height. correct me if I am wrong.
Looks like LL didn't really improve your career. If anything it made things worse. Now you are going for more when you didn't gain anything career-wise from your first surgery.
AT 180cm height is no longer the problem in ur life. Time to start looking at other things to improve urself/life.
What's the point of towering other males with ballerina, x-leg, limping around and bringing home a lower pay-cheque than the one you had when u were 5'8.
The comments you make on LL forums lately also show that you are an angrier and frustrated man after LL.
Just a get a job and move on with ur life before your wife leaves you for another man. if that man turns out to be taller than u please don't blame it on height.
You lost your job after LL?! :o How did that happen?
And I agree that height is relative. We don't tell people to not aim for a promotion, or not to buy a better house or car, just because people in third world countries are starving. Then no one would achieve anything. Everything is relative.
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Some people tend to blame everything on height where there is obvious and SEVERE flaws in other departments.
The most worrying part is you can't stop them can you? It is their life and their body.
I have get to know a lot of people in life and a golden rule I learned is to accept that we are all different and every single person has atleast one "socially weird" attribute. But after several years reading old forum and LL Forum (on and off for months inbetween) I cannot help but to admit that there are a unevenly high amount of wackos in this community that you would rarely see in the daily life.
This is true. There are so many people I've seen on the forums talking about how once they get taller all of a sudden they'll have a great career/relationships etc. They don't realise that being taller won't make
those things happen. LL should be seen as an enhancer to an already good life where you have taken care of the other aspects that make a person complete.
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This is true. There are so many people I've seen on the forums talking about how once they get taller all of a sudden they'll have a great career/relationships etc. They don't realise that being taller won't make
those things happen. LL should be seen as an enhancer to an already good life where you have taken care of the other aspects that make a person complete.
Bitch please...We all gonna get pussy once we are taller. The tall ugly guys existing is a proof of that.
Otherwise we would not bother doing this surgery. But we know that things are 1219304% better when you are tall*er
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Bitch please...We all gonna get pussy once we are taller. The tall ugly guys existing is a proof of that.
Otherwise we would not bother doing this surgery. But we know that things are 1219304% better when you are tall*er
Seems to have hit you a bit too close to home. If you're not getting any now you won't once you get LL. I remember you begging for a job on another thread you should sort that out first also drop the internet tough guy routine its boring.
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Seems to have hit you a bit too close to home. If you're not getting any now you won't once you get LL. I remember you begging for a job on another thread you should sort that out first also drop the internet tough guy routine its boring.
Sure watch thru all my comments if that makes you feel more empowered i don't care,
Lol we all get girls now atleast i do/did. But i was not satisfied that it was on their terms. They choosed me, i didn't choose them. I don't like that. If i want something i want to be able to take it more or less.
If i would have got no chicks before i would have commited suicide by now lol.
Already got the work part cleared up. Doing the surgery by october month :)
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So you already have concrete plans to get LL, Slim_tim?
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So you already have concrete plans to get LL, Slim_tim?
Ofcourse, i will be covering it on this webbsite if they want to ofcourse. But we got so many diaries already and my journey are not gonna be that different. But as a spiritual jourey it will be huge.
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Make a diary focusing on the spiritual aspect of your LL expirience, then. I'd be interested in reading it. Who are you doing LL with? Have you already contacted the clinic?
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Slim Tim,
correct me if I am wrong, but I think u r 5'7 or more right?
Honestly ur problems with girls have more to do with your skinny frame than ur height and your most likely your attitude as well.
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5'9 is a great height for me personally. I hate being below average.
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Slim Tim,
correct me if I am wrong, but I think u r 5'7 or more right?
Honestly ur problems with girls have more to do with your skinny frame than ur height and your most likely your attitude as well.
5'7 is still short but 5'8 is not. I wonder how much of different a 5'7 is standing next to a 5`8. Just one inch shy of a normal dating life. Thats like standing right at the finish line, not behind or in front of it.
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Why the hell would you want to do this surgery????? you are at the average height of majority of western population. I don't understand, if i was 5 9' i would never considered this surgery the cost outweigh the benefits look at Sweden and Poly, the s**t that happen to them can happen to you. I am only doing it cause my life sucks now as the fact if you're 5 5' you experience real disadvantages in life,
it isn't that simple...you see in the US the average height for all men is 5'9'' but for white or black guys around 20 years old it's 5'11''...
the average is brought down by mexicans, asians, and old people.
I live in Brazil, the average here is 5'8'' but that's because in the past many people were poor and didn't eat very well, if you check middle class and up white or black guys here they're also around 5'11''...I work at a office with around 20 men and there 3 guys around 6'4''...the rest is around 5'10'' to 6'1''...only 1 guy is 5'6'' and he looks very short in comparison. A 5'9'' guy would be ok but below average.
God, there are at least a couple of women here above 6'
I'm not trying to be rude, of course someone at 5'5'' may find weird a 5'9'' guy going for it, and yeah at that height you likely won't face discrimination but you will still be in a disadvantage with women for example, especially if you're surrounded by guys over 6'.
Now imagine if you live in some place like the Netherlands, sweden...some guys from sweden came here to train BJJ and the shortest was a strong 5'10'', the average was like 6'1'' or 6'2''.
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6'0 to 6'3 is the best, nothing wrong with 5'11 or 6'4 though
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Getting real sick of the 5'10 and up guys coming on this forum whining about how they need leg lengthening to be happy in life, then go on to say they know people taller so they need to do it. Especially love the guys who use the tall people in Scandinavia as an example of why they need to be as tall as them, despite them being like less than one percent of world population.
These taller guys always say they aren't crazy and don't need therapy, but therapy and maybe some medication is exactly what they need. They are so mentally weak that it just kills them they're not over 6 feet tall despite them being higher than or exactly at many countries average height, and yet they think they can handle the months of hell and years of recovery time for leg lengthening? Give me a break.
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I have to agree. There's a thing called objectivity, I was objectively short at 167 cm or 5'6. That is 5 percentile, so I was shorter than 95% of the male population of my country. At 5'10 you're at 50 percentile, so you're taller than 50% of the male. 5 isn't 50. There's a difference between a woman 200 lbs that wants to lose weight and a woman 100 lbs that wants to lose even more weight. The second case is obviously a psychiatric disorder.
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Getting real sick of the 5'10 and up guys coming on this forum whining about how they need leg lengthening to be happy in life, then go on to say they know people taller so they need to do it. Especially love the guys who use the tall people in Scandinavia as an example of why they need to be as tall as them, despite them being like less than one percent of world population.
These taller guys always say they aren't crazy and don't need therapy, but therapy and maybe some medication is exactly what they need. They are so mentally weak that it just kills them they're not over 6 feet tall despite them being higher than or exactly at many countries average height, and yet they think they can handle the months of hell and years of recovery time for leg lengthening? Give me a break.
But it depends on where you live, if you live in Scandinavia what do u propose? Move to india? I'm 5'10'' I wanted to be 6' among other things because I'm the shortest at my family male side. I do not want to go crazy like Apotheosis(from old forum ) who did 10/10 cms on each limb, just 5cms I would be satisfied.
Edit: Just as a note, my dad is 6'1'' and my mother is 5'9'', so yeah...she is like my height. I don't know what went wrong haha, maybe my father had secret LL? maybe she betrayed him with a short guy? Or maybe staying home all day playing on the PC caused some lack of vitamin D hahaha
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maybe my father had secret LL? maybe she betrayed him with a short guy? Or maybe staying home all day playing on the PC caused some lack of vitamin D
And what if it's everything at the same time? :o :o
Seriously though scandinavians are like an inch over average of US and EU. Not a huge difference.
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But it depends on where you live, if you live in Scandinavia what do u propose? Move to india? I'm 5'10'' I wanted to be 6' among other things because I'm the shortest at my family male side. I do not want to go crazy like Apotheosis(from old forum ) who did 10/10 cms on each limb, just 5cms I would be satisfied.
Edit: Just as a note, my dad is 6'1'' and my mother is 5'9'', so yeah...she is like my height. I don't know what went wrong haha, maybe my father had secret LL? maybe she betrayed him with a short guy? Or maybe staying home all day playing on the PC caused some lack of vitamin D hahaha
Most likely nothing went wrong. Your height is perfectly normal considering your parents heights, a bit on the shorter side but still perfectly healthy and normal.
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It's their money and life. If 5'9+ individuals know the risks of CLL and are still bothered enough by their height to go through with the surgery and risk all the possible complications, then they have true height neurosis just like anyone shorter who is willing to endure the same thing, and have as much of a right to LL as any old forum members, regardless of starting height.
Heightism even exists on this forum, but here it discriminates against the taller members just because some shorter members are so bitter about never getting to be 5'9+ naturally.
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The only consensus that will be drawn from this thread is that life-each and every manifestation of it on this planet- regardless of the form is happens to take, is a bitch, then you die...
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The only consensus that will be drawn from this thread is that life-each and every manifestation of it on this planet- regardless of the form is happens to take, is a bitch, then you die...
Depressing, but true. But life can feel very long, so you might as well make something of it.
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I'm currently working in Mexico in a sector of the oil industry. Seeing the havoc being wreaked upon the country by the Los Zetas syndicate makes things such as your height or income or any other metric of supposed success appear extremely trivial. People with less do seem to be genuinely happier and more at ease with themselves, however.
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It's their money and life. If 5'9+ individuals know the risks of CLL and are still bothered enough by their height to go through with the surgery and risk all the possible complications, then they have true height neurosis just like anyone shorter who is willing to endure te same thing, and have as much of a right to LL as any old forum members, regardless of starting height.
Heightism even exists on this forum, but here it discriminates against the taller members just because some shorter members are so bitter about never getting to be 5'9+ naturally.
well said
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Its all about context, LL for 5'10 would be useful if the person was living in a nordic country, netherlands, serbia, croatia, or a tall area.
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Yeah, I was in Serbia recently and felt quite short compared to everyone else even at 5'10. I understand how these 5'9'/5'10 people from tall countries feel about LL. 6'1 seemed about average in Belgrade, and most girls were approximately my height.
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I wouldn't do CLL at 5'10. I think it's a great height for bodybuilding, fighting, and just about anything all around. This is coming from a starting height of 5'5 perspective though. I might not understand why a guy at 5'10 would want it so bad, but I don't have the same experiences as those guys so I can't judge. As long as someone is cautious and making informed decisions before doing CLL, then they shouldn't be prevented from doing it if they really want it.
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I'm 5'11 and I'm going for 2 more inches.
Oh yes, I'm from Scandinavia. ;D
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I'm 5'11 and I'm going for 2 more inches.
Oh yes, I'm from Scandinavia. ;D
Are you set on Dr Jamal?
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Are you set on Dr Jamal?
Pretty much yes.
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@Sweden: Don't do it, man.
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Getting real sick of the 5'10 and up guys coming on this forum whining about how they need leg lengthening to be happy in life, then go on to say they know people taller so they need to do it. Especially love the guys who use the tall people in Scandinavia as an example of why they need to be as tall as them, despite them being like less than one percent of world population.
These taller guys always say they aren't crazy and don't need therapy, but therapy and maybe some medication is exactly what they need. They are so mentally weak that it just kills them they're not over 6 feet tall despite them being higher than or exactly at many countries average height, and yet they think they can handle the months of hell and years of recovery time for leg lengthening? Give me a break.
I don't usually respond to these type of comments but dude youre such a pathetic person and a mental dwarf. You are like a selfish teenage girl. You don't mind when shorter people have LL but have a problem with taller ones because youre jelaous that they will have your dream height that you will never going to reach, and you think that they don't have mental problem but taller ones do. Newsflash, its a mental problem for everyone it doesnt matter if youre 165 or 185.
You really think that this pathetic post you posted here is really going to discourage anyone from living their dream? Yeah people over 5'9" are going to do LL, go cry about it in a corner somewhere.
Why do negative people like you even join this forum?
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It makes every short guy rage for some reason
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@Sweden: Don't do it, man.
Because?
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Sweden you claim 180 but I remember back on old forum you said you shrank back to 178 or 179. Did you regain the height or something?
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I don't usually respond to these type of comments but dude youre such a pathetic person and a mental dwarf. You are like a selfish teenage girl. You don't mind when shorter people have LL but have a problem with taller ones because youre jelaous that they will have your dream height that you will never going to reach, and you think that they don't have mental problem but taller ones do. Newsflash, its a mental problem for everyone it doesnt matter if youre 165 or 185.
You really think that this pathetic post you posted here is really going to discourage anyone from living their dream? Yeah people over 5'9" are going to do LL, go cry about it in a corner somewhere.
Why do negative people like you even join this forum?
This has nothing to do with jealousy (for me). I think people who are of average height and above in their countries, and do this surgery, are somehow mentally ill. You can cure mental problems with other ways than with the knife, especially if you are NOT short in any way. They can do whatever they want, but I would rather be 5'10 and healthy than 6' with crippled legs.
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It makes every short guy rage for some reason
Average height people breaking their legs on purpose will make most guys rage, tall and short. ;)
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Average height people breaking their legs on purpose will make most guys rage, tall and short. ;)
Pull that stick out of your ass.
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This has nothing to do with jealousy (for me). I think people who are of average height and above in their countries, and do this surgery, are somehow mentally ill. You can cure mental problems with other ways than with the knife, especially if you are NOT short in any way. They can do whatever they want, but I would rather be 5'10 and healthy than 6' with crippled legs.
It doesn't mean that you'll be crippled, yes there is a slight chance of it happening but I'm willing to do it despite the risks. I think that if you stay in somewhat normal( if you can call anything regarding this surgery normal) range(4-5) you'll be okay, but ever person is different someone can do 8cm on one segment and fully recover while others can't do 4-5cm without messing their legs up.
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I don't usually respond to these type of comments but dude youre such a pathetic person and a mental dwarf. You are like a selfish teenage girl. You don't mind when shorter people have LL but have a problem with taller ones because youre jelaous that they will have your dream height that you will never going to reach, and you think that they don't have mental problem but taller ones do. Newsflash, its a mental problem for everyone it doesnt matter if youre 165 or 185.
You really think that this pathetic post you posted here is really going to discourage anyone from living their dream? Yeah people over 5'9" are going to do LL, go cry about it in a corner somewhere.
Why do negative people like you even join this forum?
Haha, wth is a 'dream height' supposed to be anyway? This isn't some damn fashion show and that you want to do lengthening just to achieve a 'dream height' shows you are a very big narcissist. Should work on that ego problem of yours with therapy rather than crippling yourself out of vanity and stupidity. Yea it may be a mental problem for everyone who does it but shorter people have legitimate reasons to want to risk their health. They're trying to stop the discrimination they get. People like yourself who want to get this at your height are just doing it out of some inflated ego problem. Seriously at your height you have to be a nutcase to think about height so heavily that you would seek out limb lengthening.It should be a no brainer that 5'11 and perfectly healthy is better than 6'1 and partially handicapped.
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Haha, wth is a 'dream height' supposed to be anyway? This isn't some damn fashion show and that you want to do lengthening just to achieve a 'dream height' shows you are a very big narcissist. Should work on that ego problem of yours with therapy rather than crippling yourself out of vanity and stupidity. Yea it may be a mental problem for everyone who does it but shorter people have legitimate reasons to want to risk their health. They're trying to stop the discrimination they get. People like yourself who want to get this at your height are just doing it out of some inflated ego problem. Seriously at your height you have to be a nutcase to think about height so heavily that you would seek out limb lengthening.It should be a no brainer that 5'11 and perfectly healthy is better than 6'1 and partially handicapped.
I'm not even gonna bother son. Peace out. ;)
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Disregard the haters Kunta kintie. Who knows you better: you or them? You have a much better idea of what will truly make you happy than they will ever admit. I can relate to you. I am almost your height and am going to get LL. I have accomplished a lot in my life, but I never felt satisfied with my height, while I felt satisfied with all other aspects of my life. I am the shortest adult male in my family. I know for a fact that I am not crazy as these jealous people claim, and I know that you are not crazy in wanting LL either. We may be vain, perhaps, but I don't think that that would consitiute craziness. I wish that old forum members wouldn't be so discriminatory. It's our body and cosmetic LL is our choice, just as it is anyone else's.
This community is here to discuss LL, to help others to get the best results with their LL, and provide support for others as go through it. THIS COMMUNITY WAS NOT INTENDED TO JUDGE OR CONDEMN PROSPECTIVE PATIENTS WHO HAVE NOT HURT ANYONE (BESIDES POTENTIALLY THEMSELVES), OR TO CRITICIZE OR NEGATE THEIR RIGHT TO ANYTHING THAT ANYONE ELSE HAS A RIGHT TO.
I will now begin ignoring comments that display such attitudes, and I encourage the other members of this forum to do the same.
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Disregard the haters Kunta kintie. Who knows you better: you or them? You have a much better idea of what will truly make you happy than they will ever admit. I can relate to you. I am almost your height and am going to get LL. I have accomplished a lot in my life, but I never felt satisfied with my height, while I felt satisfied with all other aspects of my life. I am the shortest adult male in my family. I know for a fact that I am not crazy as these jealous people claim, and I know that you are not crazy in wanting LL either. We may be vain, perhaps, but I don't think that that would consitiute craziness. I wish that old forum members wouldn't be so discriminatory. It's our body and cosmetic LL is our choice, just as it is anyone else's.
This community is here to discuss LL, to help others to get the best results with their LL, and provide support for others as go through it. THIS COMMUNITY WAS NOT INTENDED TO JUDGE OR CONDEMN PROSPECTIVE PATIENTS WHO HAVE NOT HURT ANYONE (BESIDES POTENTIALLY THEMSELVES), OR TO CRITICIZE OR NEGATE THEIR RIGHT TO ANYTHING THAT ANYONE ELSE HAS A RIGHT TO.
I will now begin ignoring comments that display such attitudes, and I encourage the other members of this forum to do the same.
Thank you for the support man. All the best!
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Sweden you claim 180 but I remember back on old forum you said you shrank back to 178 or 179. Did you regain the height or something?
I'm 178+ just about every day.
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1.Actually LL on taller initial people is easier because of the initial elongation of the bond
2.This surgery is very common in Russia just for slightly different target(leg correction)
3.Tell me how all of a sudden avrg guys who do this surgery are considered mentally ill why short guys not, this surgery if anything was for people suffering dwarfism
4. At the end of the day the thing that matters is health and avrg guys will have a better chance at recovering, since they do reasonable amount of lengthening and the longer the initial length of the bone the better the elongation
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I reckon it's useless to justify to others why you need LL at any height. If you really want LL and think that it will make you happy then go for it, no one is stopping you. It's your life and you decide what you want to do with it. LL may sound pretty easy on the forum. It can be a euphoric feeling when sitting down in front of your computer with a healthy pair of legs and dream of being taller. It's also pretty easy to tell others how bad your life is at your current height and post proportions/mockup pics. But the truth is that only the truly motivated will be able to handle the sight of the surgical ward, the surgical equipments and a needle going through the spine. I honestly think that >85% of members will not end up doing LL when they realise the true nature of LL and the tremendous stress/pressure that comes along when the surgery date closes in.
All the best guys :)
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its a mental problem for everyone it doesnt matter if youre 165 or 185.
Why not go ahead and say that it's a mental problem for everyone doesn't matter if 140 cm or 200? Like, seriously. 165 isn't 185. They're at opposite percentiles
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Disregard the haters Kunta kintie. Who knows you better: you or them? You have a much better idea of what will truly make you happy than they will ever admit. I can relate to you. I am almost your height and am going to get LL. I have accomplished a lot in my life, but I never felt satisfied with my height, while I felt satisfied with all other aspects of my life. I am the shortest adult male in my family. I know for a fact that I am not crazy as these jealous people claim, and I know that you are not crazy in wanting LL either. We may be vain, perhaps, but I don't think that that would consitiute craziness. I wish that old forum members wouldn't be so discriminatory. It's our body and cosmetic LL is our choice, just as it is anyone else's.
This community is here to discuss LL, to help others to get the best results with their LL, and provide support for others as go through it. THIS COMMUNITY WAS NOT INTENDED TO JUDGE OR CONDEMN PROSPECTIVE PATIENTS WHO HAVE NOT HURT ANYONE (BESIDES POTENTIALLY THEMSELVES), OR TO CRITICIZE OR NEGATE THEIR RIGHT TO ANYTHING THAT ANYONE ELSE HAS A RIGHT TO.
I will now begin ignoring comments that display such attitudes, and I encourage the other members of this forum to do the same.
It's not jealousy. You guys have other problems. I'm 99% sure you will be as happy after LL as you are now. There are some cases when doing LL is worth it and when not and in your case it's not. What in the hell would be different if you were a few cm/inches taller? Are your legs too short for normal trousers? Are you too short to talk with other people at eye level? Are you too short to reach things at the top shelfs? Are you at such a height that you will like a kid when talking to women in high heels? Are you that short, that when you go out without lifts everyone towers over you? Are you that short when you are standing in public transportation you feel like a little baby?
You know these are some reasons to do LL because after you LL you will be able to talk to people at eye level because you will be able to buy trousers in the adult section etc. etc..
You are just dumb and thankfully there are just a few moneyhungry orthopedic surgeons who will do LL to people who are mentally ill like you. You have to talk to a psychiatrist.
And btw do you call accomplishment in your life being 24/7 in LL-forum despite not being at a disadvantage because of your height?
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its a mental problem for everyone it doesnt matter if youre 165 or 185.
It's unfair to compare a 165cm to a 185cm person. A 165cm man has to face and deal with heightism on a daily basis. This will eventually lead to mental problems and low self esteem.
Heightism is basically nonexistent at 185cm and they do not have to cope with the pressures a short person faces everyday. It is purely a mental problem if a person is unsatisfied with their height at 185cm because they have not faced any sort of height discrimination from others. This is why psychological evaluation is needed if someone at 185cm wants to pursue LL.
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I have to agree. There's a thing called objectivity, I was objectively short at 167 cm or 5'6. That is 5 percentile, so I was shorter than 95% of the male population of my country. At 5'10 you're at 50 percentile, so you're taller than 50% of the male. 5 isn't 50. There's a difference between a woman 200 lbs that wants to lose weight and a woman 100 lbs that wants to lose even more weight. The second case is obviously a psychiatric disorder.
your comparison is wrong, I'd have been correct if it was a 6'1 who wanted to get taller
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Haha, wth is a 'dream height' supposed to be anyway? This isn't some damn fashion show and that you want to do lengthening just to achieve a 'dream height' shows you are a very big narcissist. Should work on that ego problem of yours with therapy rather than crippling yourself out of vanity and stupidity. Yea it may be a mental problem for everyone who does it but shorter people have legitimate reasons to want to risk their health. They're trying to stop the discrimination they get. People like yourself who want to get this at your height are just doing it out of some inflated ego problem. Seriously at your height you have to be a nutcase to think about height so heavily that you would seek out limb lengthening.It should be a no brainer that 5'11 and perfectly healthy is better than 6'1 and partially handicapped.
6'-6'4 is master race.
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6'-6'4 is master race.
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If women did not exist, there would be no master race. Matter of fact, majority of tall guys would be dead from shorter superior guys. Shorter Guys are legit better at everything then taller guys. Combat, sports, daily calori-intake, smarter, quicker you name it we win at it.
IF it was not for the perception of height and the whores reinforcing it. I would never ever get this surgery.
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If women did not exist, there would be no master race. Matter of fact, majority of tall guys would be dead from shorter superior guys. Shorter Guys are legit better at everything then taller guys. Combat, sports, daily calori-intake, smarter, quicker you name it we win at it.
IF it was not for the perception of height and the whores reinforcing it. I would never ever get this surgery.
So the only reason you wanna do this is women? That's sad, man.
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If women did not exist, there would be no master race. Matter of fact, majority of tall guys would be dead from shorter superior guys. Shorter Guys are legit better at everything then taller guys. Combat, sports, daily calori-intake, smarter, quicker you name it we win at it.
IF it was not for the perception of height and the whores reinforcing it. I would never ever get this surgery.
I kind of agree
In todays society with all the technology and where you dont need to fight with fists to survive and intelligence is more valued, being tall is quite unneccesary if it werent for women. Short people can defend themselves just as easily with guns and knives etc, and they need less food and live longer on average.
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I kind of agree
In todays society with all the technology and where you dont need to fight with fists to survive and intelligence is more valued, being tall is quite unneccesary if it werent for women. Short people can defend themselves just as easily with guns and knives etc, and they need less food and live longer on average.
Much lesser rate of cancer, Much lesser chance of heart attacks..it goes on and on. The only thing tall guys have is unproportinal long legs and arms to make up for their cartonish frame. But the women don't see that. They think they are all so big and strong and oooooh hes so manly.
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So the only reason you wanna do this is women? That's sad, man.
"IF it was not for the perception of height and the whores reinforcing it. I would never ever get this surgery."
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But it depends on where you live, if you live in Scandinavia what do u propose? Move to india? I'm 5'10'' I wanted to be 6' among other things because I'm the shortest at my family male side. I do not want to go crazy like Apotheosis(from old forum ) who did 10/10 cms on each limb, just 5cms I would be satisfied.
Edit: Just as a note, my dad is 6'1'' and my mother is 5'9'', so yeah...she is like my height. I don't know what went wrong haha, maybe my father had secret LL? maybe she betrayed him with a short guy? Or maybe staying home all day playing on the PC caused some lack of vitamin D hahaha
Myabe this is why I didn't grow to my potential? I did spend a lot of time indoors on the computer when I was young (and still do). Can this cause stunted growth? I'm 5'10, mum is 5'6, dad 6' and brother 6'1. I should have grown to at least 6'.
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If women did not exist, there would be no master race. Matter of fact, majority of tall guys would be dead from shorter superior guys. Shorter Guys are legit better at everything then taller guys. Combat, sports, daily calori-intake, smarter, quicker you name it we win at it.
IF it was not for the perception of height and the whores reinforcing it. I would never ever get this surgery.
I'm sorry, you are seriously delusional. You know as well as I do that if you could have chosen your height you would have chosen 6' minimum.
first of all saying small people are "better" at calorie intake is just stupid.. its not a competition.
At this height you feel practically invincible to the average untrained brawler.
As for the matter of athletic ability, this is a mute point:
World's fastest man: usain Bolt 6'5
greatest Boxer of all time: Muhammed Ali 6'3,
greatest quarterback of all time: Tom Brady: 6'4
greatest tennis player of our time: Roger Federer 6'1
EUFA best soccer player in europe 2014: Cristiano CRonnie7: 6'1
Current UFC heavyweight champion: Cain Velasquez: 6'1
Finally, it has been shown in countless studies that height and intelligence are correlated. I can give you links if you wish.
You need to chill out about these FACTS.
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I'm sorry, you are seriously delusional.
first of all saying small people are "better" at calorie intake is just stupid.. its not a competition.
As for the matter of athletic ability:
World's fastest man: usain Bolt 6'5
greatest Boxer of all time: Muhammed Ali 6'3,
greatest quarterback of all time: Tom Brady: 6'4
greatest tennis player of our time: Roger Federer 6'1
EUFA best soccer player in europe 2014: Cristiano CRonnie7: 6'1
Current UFC heavyweight champion: Cain Velasquez: 6'1
Finally, it has been shown in countless studies that height and intelligence are correlated. I can give you links if you wish.
You need to chill out about these FACTS.
Pound for pound i dont think taller people are more athletic than shorter ones. With that i mean relative to their size/weight, the abilities of shorter people are more impressive. However when breaking world records and gaining interest from the public masses, then higher numbers and larger people is the answer, thats what people care the most about.
For example in the UFC, its very easy to observe that the smaller weight classes are way more skilled and talented on average, while the bigger fighters are slower, have worse coordination, less stamina etc. You might make the argument that being bigger genetically means you are not physically able to be as fast or coordinated as a shorter man, and that might be true, but it doesnt contradict the statement that shorter/smaller fighters are considered more skilled.
As for the height/intelligence correlation, the causality might be misleading. maybe the correlation is because taller people might get better nutrition which in turn made them taller and thus their brains more developed? maybe not but since we cannot really define intelligence or truly measure it yet this height/intelligence correlation cannot be considered a fact as of now.
Einstein was a short man and is smarter than majority of people living today many decades later with better environmental standards.
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i'm 182 cm and i want to be 187 cm
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i'm 182 cm and i want to be 187 cm
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I'm sorry, you are seriously delusional. You know as well as I do that if you could have chosen your height you would have chosen 6' minimum.
first of all saying small people are "better" at calorie intake is just stupid.. its not a competition.
At this height you feel practically invincible to the average untrained brawler.
As for the matter of athletic ability, this is a mute point:
World's fastest man: usain Bolt 6'5
greatest Boxer of all time: Muhammed Ali 6'3,
greatest quarterback of all time: Tom Brady: 6'4
greatest tennis player of our time: Roger Federer 6'1
EUFA best soccer player in europe 2014: Cristiano CRonnie7: 6'1
Current UFC heavyweight champion: Cain Velasquez: 6'1
Finally, it has been shown in countless studies that height and intelligence are correlated. I can give you links if you wish.
You need to chill out about these FACTS.
Not all of these are FACTS. Usain Bolt is the fastest man, you're right with that one. Ali as the greatest boxer is disputable, and there are shorter boxers with incredible talent and skills (Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao) who could very well be considered the greatest of all times in some years. Messi is equally if not more talented and gifted at playing football. Height and intelligence may be correlated, but not because taller people are better.
Conclusions is, neither short nor taller people are better than another.
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Pound for pound i dont think taller people are more athletic than shorter ones. With that i mean relative to their size/weight, the abilities of shorter people are more impressive. However when breaking world records and gaining interest from the public masses, then higher numbers and larger people is the answer, thats what people care the most about.
For example in the UFC, its very easy to observe that the smaller weight classes are way more skilled and talented on average, while the bigger fighters are slower, have worse coordination, less stamina etc. You might make the argument that being bigger genetically means you are not physically able to be as fast or coordinated as a shorter man, and that might be true, but it doesnt contradict the statement that shorter/smaller fighters are considered more skilled.
As for the height/intelligence correlation, the causality might be misleading. maybe the correlation is because taller people might get better nutrition which in turn made them taller and thus their brains more developed? maybe not but since we cannot really define intelligence or truly measure it yet this height/intelligence correlation cannot be considered a fact as of now.
Einstein was a short man and is smarter than majority of people living today many decades later with better environmental standards.
No. Einstein was above average height for his era at 5'9.
Who cares who is more skilled at what? What matters is winning medals PERIOD.
Mayweather etc, might be best for their weight class, but they wouldn't even go 2 rounds against beaten up, worn out declining Ali.
infact, I think I could probably beat Mayweather.. is that supposed to impress me?
What matters to most is who is the toughest of all time? who is the fastest of all time? I don't care 2 cents that some 5'2 guy has faster handspeed.. I wanna know who is the baddest mofo on the planet as a total package.. and they, in 90% of cases are above 6'0 in all sports.
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Pound for pound i dont think taller people are more athletic than shorter ones. With that i mean relative to their size/weight, the abilities of shorter people are more impressive. However when breaking world records and gaining interest from the public masses, then higher numbers and larger people is the answer, thats what people care the most about.
For example in the UFC, its very easy to observe that the smaller weight classes are way more skilled and talented on average, while the bigger fighters are slower, have worse coordination, less stamina etc. You might make the argument that being bigger genetically means you are not physically able to be as fast or coordinated as a shorter man, and that might be true, but it doesnt contradict the statement that shorter/smaller fighters are considered more skilled.
As for the height/intelligence correlation, the causality might be misleading. maybe the correlation is because taller people might get better nutrition which in turn made them taller and thus their brains more developed? maybe not but since we cannot really define intelligence or truly measure it yet this height/intelligence correlation cannot be considered a fact as of now.
Einstein was a short man and is smarter than majority of people living today many decades later with better environmental standards.
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He gets it ^.
mrtall you dont so go back to your way of seeing things kbye,
Little correction there :
Greates boxer of all time : Mike tyson 5'10.
Greatest quarter back of all time: That does not even make sense, He got that position mainly because he looks the part and weighs over 200 pounds. Majority of "fotballers".. gosh that sport is so out of fashion only inbreed americans watch that .
Majority of fotballers are only tall because that is the way the sport is designed in the real world the 6'4 guy would be out of gas the first 2 minutes. Then the shorter guy would just need to push him over to win.
Worlds fastest man: Usain bolt, only because he got longer strides he is generally on 5th place the first 40 meters then he antilops his way to the finish line. So no, Mr.gay is faster than usain bolt if the rules was not in favour of the tall man.
Also i like how you only picked sports that are designed for tall peope in the first place, you dumb fk xD
The worlds greatest fotballer that has ever lived is 5'6 and his name is lionel messi you ignorant little rat.
There has already been studies to support that short guys are better than tall guys pound for pound.
We are not taking in social aspects and animalistic decodings into the discussion because those are the reason we want to get taller in the first place...duh..
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He gets it ^.
He gets it more than you, that's for sure.
Tyson greatest boxer?
1. Tyson is above average height for his generation
2. Tyson got floored by 6'1 Holyfield, 6'3 Buster Douglas during his so called prime.
He was the best in the world for about 1 year, I'll give you that
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i agree with @mrtall, tall men are generally more stronger, i think it's because they are heavier.
I play football, they are harder too push when they have the ball, and of course they can push you easier.
It's worse in handball or rugby, i never play rugby though, but it seems obvious.
I don't know wether tall men are faster, but they are stronger and have a better reach, which means they have an advantage in most sport especially the collective ones and martial arts.
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No. Einstein was above average height for his era at 5'9.
Who cares who is more skilled at what? What matters is winning medals PERIOD.
Mayweather etc, might be best for their weight class, but they wouldn't even go 2 rounds against beaten up, worn out declining Ali.
infact, I think I could probably beat Mayweather.. is that supposed to impress me?
What matters to most is who is the toughest of all time? who is the fastest of all time? I don't care 2 cents that some 5'2 guy has faster handspeed.. I wanna know who is the baddest mofo on the planet as a total package.. and they, in 90% of cases are above 6'0 in all sports.
No, not to me. What matters to me is who is the most talented, quickest and best fighter against guys his weight class. It's because he makes the most out of what was given to him by nature. I'm not impressed by some 7 feet, untrained giant knocking down everyone, but I'm impressed by a average or short guy who has perfect control over his body and beats up guys much heavier than him (that's what Mayweather does on a regular basis). It means that he has worked hard for his success.
It's not only me as well. Welterweight is the class where the big, multi-million dollar fights happen, while heavyweight is practically dead and no one outside of Germany is interested in the Klitschkos (nothing against them, they are great fighters too).
Yeah, and if it were you against Mayweather, he would probably beat your nose bloody and be gone before you even noticed what happened.
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i agree with @mrtall, tall men are generally more stronger, i think it's because they are heavier.
I play football, they are harder too push when they have the ball, and of course they can push you easier.
It's worse in handball or rugby, i never play rugby though, but it seems obvious.
I don't know wether tall men are faster, but they are stronger and have a better reach, which means they have an advantage in most sport especially the collective ones and martial arts.
When I've done martial arts or boxing.. or got in fights, its the tall ones not the short ones who intimidate me and I'm 6'7!
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He gets it more than you, that's for sure.
Tyson greatest boxer?
1. Tyson is above average height for his generation
2. Tyson got floored by 6'1 Holyfield, 6'3 Buster Douglas during his so called prime.
He was the best in the world for about 1 year, I'll give you that
He was out of his prime against Holyfield, and he didn't even train against Douglas.
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He gets it more than you, that's for sure.
Tyson greatest boxer?
1. Tyson is above average height for his generation
2. Tyson got floored by 6'1 Holyfield, 6'3 Buster Douglas during his so called prime.
He was the best in the world for about 1 year, I'll give you that
Tyson was the reigning champion at only 19 years old gtfo kid you dont know what you are talking about.
No tyson was right on average height he even pitty himself for being so short but his trainer gus gave him confidence, seriousy dont comment when you dont know what you are talking about its annoying.
He was past his prime in both those fights, see you have not even followed the story about mike tyson nor have you watched all his fights. In his prime the cardio&power also the confidence he would destroy them all by the third round.
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Doesn't seem like much can come out of arguing whether tall or short people are better than the other. I mean on LL Forum we have a bunch of users here considering CLL, most who are shorter than average, and it's not going to do any of them good to read posts about how shorter people are inherently inferior to taller people. At the same time it's not going to do any good trying to put down tall people either.
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Doesn't seem like much can come out of arguing whether tall or short people are better than the other. I mean on LL Forum we have a bunch of users here considering CLL, most who are shorter than average, and it's not going to do any of them good to read posts about how shorter people are inherently inferior to taller people. At the same time it's not going to do any good trying to put down tall people either.
Agreed.
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so @mrtall, you're 6'7", i would to know the thoughts from a very tall person about the ideal height.
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Well this 182.5cm and mrtall are either trolls and/or really big losers. I feel kinda sad for you because you will never be happy, doesn't even matter how much you lengthen or shorten your legs. There are as many successful short people (Messi, Carlos Slim (richest person in the world and many more) as they are successful tall people and there are as many unsuccessful short people as there are unsuccessful tall people (182.5cm and mrtall for example).
The only thing that can maybe help you is a psychiatrist but you guys are so full of yourself that I really doubt that anyone can help you. Whatever you do, stop making the insecure short people here feel bad about themselves with your utter bull .
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No. Einstein was above average height for his era at 5'9.
Who cares who is more skilled at what? What matters is winning medals PERIOD.
Mayweather etc, might be best for their weight class, but they wouldn't even go 2 rounds against beaten up, worn out declining Ali.
infact, I think I could probably beat Mayweather.. is that supposed to impress me?
What matters to most is who is the toughest of all time? who is the fastest of all time? I don't care 2 cents that some 5'2 guy has faster handspeed.. I wanna know who is the baddest mofo on the planet as a total package.. and they, in 90% of cases are above 6'0 in all sports.
No, it doesnt matter if he was average of his time, since he would be short compared to todays standards, and still be way more intelligent than vast majority of todays men who are many inches taller than he was.
Who is more skilled matters when determining talent and talent earns you medals and accomplishments, so it definitely matters.
And speed and cardio are factors when determining athleticism, in addition to strength. Just because a fat 240 pound tall guy could beat mayweather doesnt make him more talented or athletic than Mayweather. People would laugh at that notion even.
Also many people consider Muhammed Ali the greatest based on nostalgia, he was great for sure, but based on your own logic, he shouldnt be considered the greatest when either of the Klitschko brothers are way bigger and would most definitely beat an Ali in his prime. Its similar when many people still consider Michael Jordan the greatest even though Lebron James is bigger and probably more athletic than him. Size is not the only attribute.
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i agree with @mrtall, tall men are generally more stronger, i think it's because they are heavier.
I play football, they are harder too push when they have the ball, and of course they can push you easier.
It's worse in handball or rugby, i never play rugby though, but it seems obvious.
I don't know wether tall men are faster, but they are stronger and have a better reach, which means they have an advantage in most sport especially the collective ones and martial arts.
Tall men are on average stronger due to having more mass, this is true. But strength is only one factor in determining athleticism. The tiny chinese dudes who take olympic medals regulary are more athletic than you and I despite the fact that we most likely can push them around or beat them in a fight.
If they are faster, In a 100 meter sprint contest then yeah because you dont need stamina and longer strides are favored. However i a sport like football where you need to accelerate many times in short distances and change directions a lot, shorter legs are better suited, which is why Messi makes everyone look like fools chasing him in the midfield time after time.
Longer reach and longer height are definite advantages in a fight for sure. But so are cardio and handspeed.
Look at Daniel Cormier an olympic wrestler who is 5'10 tall and weighs about 230 pounds. (a lot of that is fat in his case).
he is undefeated and has faced many HW fighters who where 6'4 and athletic as well as skilled in MMA, and destroyed them all. The main advantage when observing his fights is that he is faster than them, and more skilled (his wrestling mainly) better handspeed and movement. The bigger fighters he faced just has trouble reacting to his movements and their strength advantage was completely negated by his wrestling skill.
And btw these HW fighters he faced are the most talented HWs in the world, the average man that size is nowhere near as athletic or talented as the fighters in the UFC. So even at the highest level we find significantly shorter men destroying larger men in fighting.
Size is an advantage but there are so many other factors when determining the outcome of a fight.
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so @mrtall, you're 6'7", i would to know the thoughts from a very tall person about the ideal height.
Pinnacle is 6'2:
6'2 longest life expectancy
6'2 best all round athletic..
6'2 most aesthetic height (male model ideal)
6'2 dominant in social situations, but not scary.
did I mention chicks lol.
6' - 6'4 is master race range tho, I have been all these heights unlike everybody else here and I can confirm:)
However I'd rather be 5'10-5'11 than 6'5-6'6.. worlds just not designed for people past 6'4.
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agree, from a 5'10 guy's point of view 6'0 - 6'4 is the best you can be with both ends being the minimal best and the maximum best
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Pinnacle is 6'2:
6'2 longest life expectancy
6'2 best all round athletic..
6'2 most aesthetic height (male model ideal)
6'2 dominant in social situations, but not scary.
did I mention chicks lol.
6' - 6'4 is master race range tho, I have been all these heights unlike everybody else here and I can confirm:)
However I'd rather be 5'10-5'11 than 6'5-6'6.. worlds just not designed for people past 6'4.
This i can agree with, its seems to be mostly true at least, except i dont think 6'2 people have the longest life expectancy, pretty sure shorter people live longer.