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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: Jack1066 on May 01, 2017, 06:28:30 PM

Title: How much time is usually taken in distraction and consolidation phases?
Post by: Jack1066 on May 01, 2017, 06:28:30 PM
It's quite hard to find information on this on the internet.

I am under the impression that for, for e.g. 6.5 cm in femurs using LON/LATN, around 100 days might be spent in distraction (give or take) and another 6 months or so spent in consolidation.

So it would be around 9 months before the frames came off.

Is this correct, or is it far less than this when using internal methods?

Any clarity shed on the situation would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: How much time is usually taken in distraction and consolidation phases?
Post by: alps on May 01, 2017, 06:38:05 PM
don't do femurs with frames. It's a recipe for disaster (especially bilateral).

femurs = internals / monorails
tibiae = externals / internals / monorails

monorails aren't encouraged because they're harder maintain alignment with.
Title: Re: How much time is usually taken in distraction and consolidation phases?
Post by: Jack1066 on May 01, 2017, 06:47:12 PM
Ah, I thought even internals were done with external frames, I must be wrong.

Is the LON/LATN device actually inserted entirely inside the leg then?

EDIT:

Never mind, this thread clarified this question for me:

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=95.0

Frames come off early for internal methods, after distraction is complete.
Title: Re: How much time is usually taken in distraction and consolidation phases?
Post by: YourSpaceBoyfriend on May 01, 2017, 07:05:28 PM
Monorails on femurs are probably one of the worst ways to do LL

They are unstable af
Title: Re: How much time is usually taken in distraction and consolidation phases?
Post by: alps on May 01, 2017, 07:09:41 PM
Monorails on femurs are probably one of the worst ways to do LL

They are unstable af

I don't know which is worse externals or monorails (for femurs) but I can't imagine wearing bulky af frames on both legs around the thighs! I think you can't even close your legs for months. You will probably end up with hip and knee contractures.
Title: Re: How much time is usually taken in distraction and consolidation phases?
Post by: YourSpaceBoyfriend on May 01, 2017, 07:54:34 PM
You risk either heavy scaring and nerve injuries or bone deformations.

In a big shortcut, don't risk your own health and use only internals for cosmetic purposes.

Or think about lengthening your tibias.
Title: Re: How much time is usually taken in distraction and consolidation phases?
Post by: Bry on May 01, 2017, 10:02:28 PM
Which would be better, monorails or external for tibias? You guys think it's risky to go LON on tibs?
Title: Re: How much time is usually taken in distraction and consolidation phases?
Post by: YourSpaceBoyfriend on May 01, 2017, 10:23:13 PM
Monorail is pure external aswell.

Imho classic ilizarov/TSF is probably the best external method for cosmetic LL since you can correct any problems on the go.
Title: Re: How much time is usually taken in distraction and consolidation phases?
Post by: Bry on May 01, 2017, 10:47:46 PM
Hmm... this means that if I were to length 7cm on tibs using ilizarov, I could cut the time using it to 1/3 mixing with LON?
In this case I would only need to use the device for around 3 months, and then keep the inner rod for some years?
Title: Re: How much time is usually taken in distraction and consolidation phases?
Post by: onemorefoot on May 01, 2017, 10:56:59 PM
Hmm... this means that if I were to length 7cm on tibs using ilizarov, I could cut the time using it to 1/3 mixing with LON?
In this case I would only need to use the device for around 3 months, and then keep the inner rod for some years?
Yes
Title: Re: How much time is usually taken in distraction and consolidation phases?
Post by: Body Builder on May 01, 2017, 11:25:56 PM
Monorail is pure external aswell.

Imho classic ilizarov/TSF is probably the best external method for cosmetic LL since you can correct any problems on the go.
For tibias I agree. Only external with a good hexapod like tsf is the best option with the only drawback that it takes a lot of time before frame removal. But then you are completely done.

For femurs though the one and only method should be internals only.
Everything else is a torture.
Title: Re: How much time is usually taken in distraction and consolidation phases?
Post by: Bry on May 02, 2017, 10:33:58 AM
Yes

How much time for LON rod removal?
Title: Re: How much time is usually taken in distraction and consolidation phases?
Post by: YourSpaceBoyfriend on May 02, 2017, 02:43:47 PM
How much time for LON rod removal?

Until full consolidation at least
Title: Re: How much time is usually taken in distraction and consolidation phases?
Post by: doomsday on May 02, 2017, 03:08:19 PM
Monorail is pure external aswell.

Imho classic ilizarov/TSF is probably the best external method for cosmetic LL since you can correct any problems on the go.

Youre wrong and chatting total  .

http://www.bjj.boneandjoint.org.uk/content/jbjsbr/81-B/6/1041.full.pdf
Title: Re: How much time is usually taken in distraction and consolidation phases?
Post by: YourSpaceBoyfriend on May 02, 2017, 03:15:33 PM
Youre wrong and chatting total crap.

http://www.bjj.boneandjoint.org.uk/content/jbjsbr/81-B/6/1041.full.pdf

Aaaaaand what this beautiful lecture has to do with my statement?
Title: Re: How much time is usually taken in distraction and consolidation phases?
Post by: Bry on May 02, 2017, 03:54:30 PM
Until full consolidation at least

This means that id I had to use pure external and it took 9 months lengthening + consolidation, I could mix LON and use the external for 3 months and only the inner rod for 6 more months?
Title: Re: How much time is usually taken in distraction and consolidation phases?
Post by: onemorefoot on May 02, 2017, 04:00:45 PM
This means that id I had to use pure external and it took 9 months lengthening + consolidation, I could mix LON and use the external for 3 months and only the inner rod for 6 more months?
Externals have to be used for 9 months And you are done generally
LON: the fixators are used for 3 months, but the inner rod stays inside for dime months more, generally 9 more to complete a usar, becuase the healing is slower than with external fixators
Title: Re: How much time is usually taken in distraction and consolidation phases?
Post by: Bry on May 02, 2017, 11:12:58 PM
Externals have to be used for 9 months And you are done generally
LON: the fixators are used for 3 months, but the inner rod stays inside for dime months more, generally 9 more to complete a usar, becuase the healing is slower than with external fixators

But if I go for LON, after that time I would be able to walk without support? Like wheelchair for example.
Title: Re: How much time is usually taken in distraction and consolidation phases?
Post by: onemorefoot on May 03, 2017, 02:55:20 AM
But if I go for LON, after that time I would be able to walk without support? Like wheelchair for example.
For 6 cm you can start walking unaided after 7 months, more or less.Depends on your weight also