Limb Lengthening Forum
Community Hangout => Off Topic => Topic started by: shorttorsolonglegs on June 19, 2014, 02:58:06 PM
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Hello all.I am a new member,this is my first post.As the title and my username suggests it,I have a pretty uncommon "flaw" :I am a male being at 5'1'' (wait for it...now you can laugh!),who considered leg lenghtening on many occasions,but..I am already out of proportion,and this gives me a hard time.
My legs are SO much longer than my torso,I wear pants like my 6' friends and I have a similar(or even smaller) sitting height than children.Plus long arms.You can imagine how I look.So what solutions do I have in this matter,because add even one inch on my legs and people will think that I am a giraffe,wait actually I am :'( And the fact that I am a male even worsens things,usually women are long-legged,but imagine a short little wimpy girl being TALLER than you,and also when you sit next to her at a desk she towers over you.
I was thinking along the lines of lenghtening my torso somehow,though I don't know if it's possible.I heard that some people with very slouched/bent backs and scoliosis/kyphosis etc could actually gain a few inches from surgery.My back is pretty slouched and bent tbh,my spine forms an "S",but I don't really know if I too could gain a few inches from this type of surgery.
I am very depressed because of my body,I'm wandering "Why me?",and if I had a longer torso and short legs than LL would be an option.But now...I don't really know what to do.I await your suggestions,please help me out.
Thanks!
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You should definitely look into scoliosis treatment in case you have that, it could potentially give you some inches like you mentioned.
There is also glucosamine sulphate supplement that might increase you torso with a couple cm by taking it daily for some months if you are lucky, most people only gain some mm from it though.
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I'm like You but with the only difference , i am 5'10 and My femurs are noticeably longer than my tibias, check your proportions between legs, because in clothes u can hide that as you say your arms are long so femurs would be an option because in clothes , they will hide part of your femurs and lengthening them will make for it
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You should definitely look into scoliosis treatment in case you have that, it could potentially give you some inches like you mentioned.
There is also glucosamine sulphate supplement that might increase you torso with a couple cm by taking it daily for some months if you are lucky, most people only gain some mm from it though.
I don't think I have scoliosis,even though my back is not very straight,it forms an "S" if you look from the side.
I looked up glucosamine and it seems promising:glucosamine+stretching daily could add an inch or two in height,so it's worth trying out,thanks.
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If you post a picture of your proportions, we will be able to give you advice that is less generalized and more specific to your case. Good luck. I hope safe torso lengthening techniques emerge soon for people such as yourself, but, realistically, I don't see it happening for at least a decade. There just isn't a market or medical need for it on a large scale.
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I'm like You but with the only difference , i am 5'10 and My femurs are noticeably longer than my tibias, check your proportions between legs, because in clothes u can hide that as you say your arms are long so femurs would be an option because in clothes , they will hide part of your femurs and lengthening them will make for it
Well you are lucky to have that height.You're not tall,but you aren't a dwarf like me.Yes my arms are long but so are my legs,especially my femurs:just to give you an idea,when I bend down in a certain position to tie my shoes,my femur is approx. two times longer than my torso,and my tibias are pretty long in relation to my body,but significantly shorter then my femurs.To be honest,I don't think that a leg lenghtening surgery might do any good,it would do more harm and although I already look comical,LL would make me look like a child of a spider and a giraffe.Gosh :'( Just out of curiosity,did you ever measure your sitting height?
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Go and get evaluated by a spinal orthopaedic surgeon. If you have a slouched back then you may gain several cm or inches by developing a proper posture. I don't know if there is any surgery to treat a slouched back but there are certain back and shoulder exercises/stretches to correct it. But as I mentioned before, it is best to see a orthopaedic surgeon.
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do an x-ray of your side back to see if you have kyphosis, and ask a spine surgeon about it
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How old are you? If you are under 21, there's a decent chance that your spine will grow a lot more, naturally, as long as you maintain a healthy diet and lifestyle.
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What's worse? Having a very short torso in comparison to the rest of your body or being very short? That's up to you to decide.
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If you post a picture of your proportions, we will be able to give you advice that is less generalized and more specific to your case. Good luck. I hope safe torso lengthening techniques emerge soon for people such as yourself, but, realistically, I don't see it happening for at least a decade. There just isn't a market or medical need for it on a large scale.
I don't have any pictures of myself because of embarassment and shame.But I found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBgKORiU9L0#t=18 .That's not me obviously,but I look very much like him when I squat down,maybe I have even longer legs.
I hope too that torso lenghtening techniques will emerge as soon as possible.A decade is not a horrificly long time,let's hope that it won't take a century and only a decade.
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Go and get evaluated by a spinal orthopaedic surgeon. If you have a slouched back then you may gain several cm or inches by developing a proper posture. I don't know if there is any surgery to treat a slouched back but there are certain back and shoulder exercises/stretches to correct it. But as I mentioned before, it is best to see a orthopaedic surgeon.
I will do just that mate,let's hope I will gain a few cms.
@kirp1 I may have kyphosis,and even anterior pelvic tilt too,but only a specialist and an X-ray can tell that eventually.
@Tall I will make 20 this year,do you really think that my spine can still grow?I hit my macros every day,undereating is not an issue
@Bilateraldamage I have both,I am a short guy and my torso is disproportionately small so I can tell you there's no "better" from these two,maybe lesser and greater evil.
In conclusion,what I will do:I will visit an orthopaedic surgeon,as you suggested to see if my posture can be corrected and if I can gain anything on my torso.Also I will buy glucosamine sulphate,and do stretching(mostly hanging from a pull-up bar with straps).I hope for the best,but honestly I can't see myself gaining more then 1 inch.Thank you for all the answers.
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Being 5'7 with a floor inseam of 32" I do have the leg length of 6'+ guys too and so I completely understand your situation. ok, my need for LL is less, but doing 6" LL (2x 3" to keep proportions in my legs) to become, let's say, 6'1 (in The Netherlands where I live nothing exceptional) would mean I end up with an inseam of 38" (at W28). Starting at 5'1 things will be (much) worse, I think.
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As you do, I have a relatively quite long wingspan (about 5'10), so that's not to biggest issue. So I'm asking myself too 'will I look and feel better after LL, or not?'
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While we are on the topic of short torsos and long legs, do you all feel that a 34 inch floor to crotch inseam would be disproportional for a 6'2 man? I am from Northern Europe and feel that this a good height to lengthen to in order to feel average, or slightly above, amongst the younger generation (which I am part of).
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...., do you all feel that a 34 inch floor to crotch inseam would be disproportional for a 6'2 man?
Not at all! And 34" wouldn't give you trouble in the stores. As long as you're not as lanky as I'm. :-)
I think it's not only a matter of proportion (and how you look after LL), but also a very practical thing: getting clothes in my new size, do I fit well in my car and so on. To me 36" is the max anyone should do anyway.
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I think it's not only a matter of proportion (and how you look after LL), but also a very practical thing: getting clothes in my new size, do I fit well in my car and so on. To me 36" is the max anyone should do anyway.
That's a great point. What do you feel are the longest inseams typically available stores? I have never looked simply because they always have pants in my current inseam length and I don't need them any longer..yet :). I'm just not sure how often you'd find naturally 6'2 men wearing 34 inseam pants unless they run long and bellow the ankles.
Personally, 6'2 is the sweet spot for me. I have absolutely no inner need to be any taller than that at the expense of my proportions. But there's no getting around the fact that, at 6'2, I'll have a 34 inch floor to crotch inseam and a 6'1.25 wingspan. Numbers can't hide disproportionality as clothes and camera angles can. Hopefully I won't seem disproportional to anyone other than myself.
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I dunno how you guys are getting such low inseam measurements. I'm 173 cm, with a 94 cm sitting height, and I'm 31.25 inches from crotch to floor. I wear a size 30 pants, but my real length is probably 29 (pant inseams are crotch to ankle).
My x-ray measurements of my legs show my legs are shorter than pretty much every guy of the same height whose posted their x-ray results on LL sites.
The Dutch sitting height study showed they had an average of 184 cm height with 94.5 cm sitting height.
If I lengthen to 183 cm, my sitting height ratio would be completely normal, I'd wear 33 length pants. But my crotch to floor inseam would presumably be 35.25 inches. And I'm supposed to believe this will be very long? Either you guys aren't measuring right, or you have torso/leg length ratios in the top .1 percentile.
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Well, when doing floor to crotch measurements, I consider my "crotch" to be the bottom of my balls. My pants need to account for the family jewels, so that's where I've been measuring to, from the floor, with a standard tape measure. Maybe I have huge balls... I'm open to that possibility 8) But, when measuring like that, I always get 31 inches, give or take 0.25'. When I wear 30 length pants, they fit perfectly, so do 31's, but 32's are usually noticeably too long. So, if I gain 3 inches through LL, I believe that I'll have a 34 inch "true" (floor to crotch) inseam.
Are you possibly measuring from your pubic bone to the ground? That could account for the difference.
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Well, when doing floor to crotch measurements, I consider my "crotch" to be the bottom of my balls. My pants need to account for the family jewels, so that's where I've been measuring to, from the floor, with a standard tape measure. Maybe I have huge balls... I'm open to that possibility 8) But, when measuring like that, I always get 31 inches, give or take 0.25'. When I wear 30 length pants, they fit perfectly, so do 31's, but 32's are usually noticeably too long. So, if I gain 3 inches through LL, I believe that I'll have a 34 inch "true" (floor to crotch) inseam.
Are you possibly measuring from your pubic bone to the ground? That could account for the difference.
I'm measuring from where my legs meet, the area between my balls and ass, to be crude. I suppose balls may account for the difference.
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It may sound grotesque,but I am happy that I'm not alone in this situation.I showed this forum to my brother,and together we browsed it quite a lot,and we found out the following:the inseam,wingspan and sitting height are pretty important to determine proportions,so we measured ourselves.
My sitting height is 45 cm,my inseam(from balls lol) is 89(!!!) cm or 35 inch and my wingspan is 170,so over my height.
My brother,who is 6'1'' (184,5 cm) has the following measurements:sitting height 93.5 cm,inseam same as mine 88-90 cm,and a wingspan of 190 cm.What do you think about our proportions?
And btw Tall,you mentioned earlier that you hope for safe torso lenghtening techniques.What is your opinion on this,how could this be achieved?I am very eager to discuss this with somebody,if nothing else just pure theory lol.
I know that old forum is not a very reliable forum,but this is still interesting: http://www. /index.php?PHPSESSID=07981ef4ec31b50a5fd336f36590dd95&topic=1487.0
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Putting a whole lot of muscle on your legs/ass with heavy squats and similar will improve your sitting height and give the illusion of shorter femurs.
Also you could get some shoes with lifts in them and wear them around for a while and see if anyone notices you having even longer legs or if people just don't notice. I suspect the general public doesn't pay much attention to proportions (example: if I see a girl that looks tall I have to look at her feet to see if she's wearing heels, I don't automatically register that her legs are weirdly long).
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I dunno how you guys are getting such low inseam measurements. I'm 173 cm, with a 94 cm sitting height, and I'm 31.25 inches from crotch to floor. I wear a size 30 pants, but my real length is probably 29 (pant inseams are crotch to ankle).
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Either you guys aren't measuring right, or you have torso/leg length ratios in the top .1 percentile.
At my 'floor-inseam' of 32" I'm wearing 32" jeans and they fit perferctly. I want not to end them at my ancles, (high water trousers). The trousers from my business suits are longer too than crotch-ancle.
To me the 'floor-inseam' (floor to crotch, in straight standing position) and bodyheight are the only reliable and very easy to do measurements. Especially sitting height gives discussion over and over again, as there is with the labeling of clothes. (I've just measured a new pair of jeans, L32: inseam actually just over 31")
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Are you possibly measuring from your pubic bone to the ground? That could account for the difference.
No, measure straight standing, nked from floor to the point my legs start under my torso (eliminating ball size ;D )
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My sitting height is 45 cm,my inseam(from balls lol) is 89(!!!) cm or 35 inch and my wingspan is 170,so over my height.
My brother,who is 6'1'' (184,5 cm) has the following measurements:sitting height 93.5 cm,inseam same as mine 88-90 cm,and a wingspan of 190 cm. What do you think about our proportions?
Your brother looks perfectly proportional to me with nice long leggs. Perhaps somewhat over average long, but definitely not disproportional.
Your numbers are hard to believe. (I do believe you, but it's just hard to imagine what it looks like). As a LL candidate I've done mutch research on proportions and practical stuff, but this is a first time to me.
Your bodyheight minus 35" floor inseam gives the torso of a 4' child(?).
What jeans size (W) and shirts are you wearing?
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At my 'floor-inseam' of 32" I'm wearing 32" jeans and they fit perferctly. I want not to end them at my ancles, (high water trousers). The trousers from my business suits are longer too than crotch-ancle.
To me the 'floor-inseam' (floor to crotch, in straight standing position) and bodyheight are the only reliable and very easy to do measurements. Especially sitting height gives discussion over and over again, as there is with the labeling of clothes. (I've just measured a new pair of jeans, L32: inseam actually just over 31")
I believe my sitting height ratio is more accurate. Based on these results, I'm led to believe I have proportional legs. If my inseam was one inch shorter (becoming 30 inches), my upper body would be 1 inch longer than the Dutch sitting height average (considering my spine is the same length as my head is probably 5 mm shorter), and that would be at 173 cm.
I choose to believe sitting height and my x-ray measurements which show me to have disproportionately short legs rather than this floor inseam business .
Sitting height is the common measurement and it is perfectly valid assuming you're not morbidly obese. Using random measurements like floor inseam confuses people. Please just stick with the tried and tested measurements in these discussions.
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sitting height maybe tried and tested but I have noticed that it is not always relevant.
2 guys appear to have the same leg length. Their belt line is as the same height. one guys appears to have a 4 inch higher sitting height BUT is only 2 inches or less taller than the other guy. I see this a lot in my office.
it has already been discussed that people with a wider pelvic* tend to have higher sitting heights. I noticed this in a guy in my office who is 5'10 but sits higher than guys who are 6'2.he is not fat but he has a wider waist.
In short, the difference between a shot guys height and a tall guys height is very rarely inseam height difference plus sitting height difference.
some guy here says his sitting height is 94cm and his height is 173cm, This guy Is exactly 10cm taller than me at 5'4. his sitting height (94cm) is 11cm higher than mine. you would then think that we have the same (-1) inseam length right? well his inseam is almost 3 inches longer than mine. my inseam is 28inches. (my pants are 27inch inseam)
and yes I have measured my sitting height so many times and it always comes back as 83cm
Sitting height can be misleading.
its better to stand up and measure your proportions. thick bones will increase ur sitting height but not necessarily your height as well.
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Think what you want. I got actual x-rays of my legs and they were the same length as someone on old forum who was 5'6, mine were shorter than apotheosis who was 5'7 and had short legs.
And yet my floor inseam would suggest I have normally proportioned legs. Floor inseam is misleading because everyone is measuring to a different point, applying different pressure to their crotch, etc.
I guarantee you that at an 83 cm sitting height you are not only 1 inch shorter upper body wise than I am. I have x-ray results, that is the only objective measurement here.
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Your brother looks perfectly proportional to me with nice long leggs. Perhaps somewhat over average long, but definitely not disproportional.
Your numbers are hard to believe. (I do believe you, but it's just hard to imagine what it looks like). As a LL candidate I've done mutch research on proportions and practical stuff, but this is a first time to me.
Your bodyheight minus 35" floor inseam gives the torso of a 4' child(?).
What jeans size (W) and shirts are you wearing?
Well my brother is quite proportional,that's what I think too,this is why I don't understand why I am such a freak.
You're right,those numbers are indeed hard to believe because I gave the wrong values.For the sitting height I measured only my torso and for the inseam I measured my jeans length.After that I measured myself correctly but accidentally posted the wrong values.
So the correct sitting height is 70 cm and an inseam of 80.Sorry for the mistake,those numbers were quite insane lol
I'm quite fat so my jeans size is 32/32 and I wear XS or rarely S in T shirts.
You made me quite curious about the average inseam and sitting height:can I find info about this?I found this but am not sure how accurate is it http://ww2.valdosta.edu/~jnienow/height.html
Also guys,there is no chance for me to add at least one extra inch to my torso?Help me out please,I really need it.Is there any research on this topic?
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If you slouch you could correct your posture with a harness but as for torso lengthening? The back is very complex compared to femur and tibs.
Stretching bones is one thing but I don't think that you could safely stretch the spinal fluid/jelly without risking paralysis.
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sitting height maybe tried and tested but I have noticed that it is not always relevant.
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its better to stand up and measure your proportions. thick bones will increase ur sitting height but not necessarily your height as well.
That's what I'm saying.
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Maybe this is more average than I thought. My inseam from the floor is slightly above 32 inches. My wingspan is nearing 6 feet 2 as well. But my height is basically 170 cm or 5 feet 7. Though after heavy lifting for 5 hours and other physical work for 1 day and not sitting down much I measured 169.7 cm at my lowest low recently. But I never do that much work so my normal low is 5 feet 7. I wake up at 172 cm on the dot though. My head length is also in the 9.25 to 9.44 inch range. I also have size 11 US men feet. And my hands are above the average size as well. My Torso is the only tiny thing I have!
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Maybe this is more average than I thought. My inseam from the floor is slightly above 32 inches. My wingspan is nearing 6 feet 2 as well. But my height is basically 170 cm or 5 feet 7. Though after heavy lifting for 5 hours and other physical work for 1 day and not sitting down much I measured 169.7 cm at my lowest low recently. But I never do that much work so my normal low is 5 feet 7. I wake up at 172 cm on the dot though. My head length is also in the 9.25 to 9.44 inch range. I also have size 11 US men feet. And my hands are above the average size as well. My Torso is the only tiny thing I have!
You don't really need that surgery. 172 cm is a fine height and you're only 5 centimetres below average. Just imagine how someone who is 1,50 m feels like and be happy with yourself.
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You don't really need that surgery. 172 cm is a fine height and you're only 5 centimetres below average. Just imagine how someone who is 1,50 m feels like and be happy with yourself.
Just because there are shorter people out there doesn't disqualify others from wanting to be taller. Also he said 172 was in the morning, and said his height is closer to 170 throughout the day, which is ~5'7. In most western countries this is still a bit below average (5'9/5'10) and desiring a few inches is not an unrealistic desire.
Yes we are able to imagine how being 150 cm is, but that doesn't mean others' wants are unreasonable. Even people at 5'11 in countries such as the Netherlands have wanted this surgery since their average height is nearly 6'1.
Individual height neurosis is very real at many heights.
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Just because there are shorter people out there doesn't disqualify others from wanting to be taller. Also he said 172 was in the morning, and said his height is closer to 170 throughout the day, which is ~5'7. In most western countries this is still a bit below average (5'9/5'10) and desiring a few inches is not an unrealistic desire.
Yes we are able to imagine how being 150 cm is, but that doesn't mean others' wants are unreasonable. Even people at 5'11 in countries such as the Netherlands have wanted this surgery since their average height is nearly 6'1.
Individual height neurosis is very real at many heights.
Well, I think most people, when are asked how tall they are, would give their morning height, so yes he becomes shorter during the day, but the same happens to all other people as well. All I'm saying is he should think about it for a really long time before he decides. Because 172 cm is really not a bad height.
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Well, I think most people, when are asked how tall they are, would give their morning height, so yes he becomes shorter during the day, but the same happens to all other people as well. All I'm saying is he should think about it for a really long time before he decides. Because 172 cm is really not a bad height.
172 can easily be a bad height in countries like Sweden and the Netherlands, depending on what kind of life you want to live. I was around 174-175 cm before surgery and most guys where i live is about 180 cm. So getting 4.3 cm was easily worth it for me, i will be done in 4 months at most, and then a year later i can forget about all of this and live a much more pleasant life.
You should always do LL for yourself, We dont care if other people might feel comfortable in their own height relative to others, its all about how we feel ourselves.
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172 can easily be a bad height in countries like Sweden and the Netherlands, depending on what kind of life you want to live. I was around 174-175 cm before surgery and most guys where i live is about 180 cm. So getting 4.3 cm was easily worth it for me, i will be done in 4 months at most, and then a year later i can forget about all of this and live a much more pleasant life.
You should always do LL for yourself, We dont care if other people might feel comfortable in their own height relative to others, its all about how we feel ourselves.
Good for you. Have you had your surgery already or is it still in front of you? I wish you all the best and a pleasent life after surgery and I hope you don't suffer any long-term consequences when you are older.
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Good for you. Have you had your surgery already or is it still in front of you? I wish you all the best and a pleasent life after surgery and I hope you don't suffer any long-term consequences when you are older.
Thank you!
I did the surgery in the first of mars this year, so its 4 months since then, and at most i have 4 months left of consolidation phase, but possibly i only have 2 months left depending on what my next x-ray shows. However i wont be able to play sports for about 6 more months after frame removal, or possibly more, so 1 year from now i can probably say i will be fully recovered.
Since i lengthened a relatively small ammount, i think i will avoid any problems when i am older. I didnt have any complications during lengthening phase, and i already got my calf muscles back, so i think recovery will be relatively fast in terms of athletism. im only 24 years old so the body should be able to adapt.