Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: leonazul99 on June 21, 2022, 12:26:49 PM
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Hello everyone. I am not into long posts or extended diaries. However, I will post my patient experience and progress and I’m happy to answer any questions. I am postop day number 12.
Starting height-169cm
Goal with Betzbone 10-11cm.
Age 39, no health issues.
Wingspan: 172cm
Weight: 86kg
12” nail, initial gap of 6mm
I requested the IT band release.
Great time to do the surgery in Europe now given a strong dollar, around 55k Euros with it band.
I have been discharged from the hospital (St. Ingbert, Krakenhaus) yesterday. I’m spending another week in Germany and then I’m going back to my home country in Latin America.
There is pain but it is quite manageable. I am clicking at 14 clicks a day. They used to suggest 20 clicks a day, but it is now 14 Max. Each click is 0.052mm. Walking with crutches, though I can take a couple steps without them. Sleep can be difficult but I can get in six hours. My female friend has been here with me the whole time and I highly suggest to bring somebody to care for you with the little things. What I still cannnot do for myself is put on my shoes. I will look into something online As I want to be as independent as possible despite the help.
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10-11cm, seriously? I wanna do 9cm femurs with Betzbone and I was told it's gonna be a hard task by some people. I'm younger and around your weight, starting height 173cm. How was the surgery? Can you describe the pain? Also, I thought you start clicking after week 2? Why did they make it 14 clicks max and is it an individual case with you? How are you finding walking with crutches like? Last question, when do you expect to be able to walk almost normally without assistance and without crutches? How long after you're done with lengthening?
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Hello everyone. I am not into long posts or extended diaries. However, I will post my patient experience and progress and I’m happy to answer any questions. I am postop day number 12.
Starting height-169cm
Goal with Betzbone 10-11cm.
Age 39, no health issues.
Wingspan: 172cm
Weight: 86kg
12” nail, initial gap of 6mm
I requested the IT band release.
Great time to do the surgery in Europe now given a strong dollar, around 55k Euros with it band.
I have been discharged from the hospital (St. Ingbert, Krakenhaus) yesterday. I’m spending another week in Germany and then I’m going back to my home country in Latin America.
There is pain but it is quite manageable. I am clicking at 14 clicks a day. They used to suggest 20 clicks a day, but it is now 14 Max. Each click is 0.052mm. Walking with crutches, though I can take a couple steps without them. Sleep can be difficult but I can get in six hours. My female friend has been here with me the whole time and I highly suggest to bring somebody to care for you with the little things. What I still cannnot do for myself is put on my shoes. I will look into something online As I want to be as independent as possible despite the help.
Congrats on getting the surgery. I did it in January with Dr Betz and just finished lengthening a few days ago. I reached 11,5cm and it took me 158 days. I only clicked 20 clicks a day for a very short while, and most of my lengthening period i did 15 clicks per day. It's gonna be a long distraction time to do 10-11cm, but it is very doable with the right mind set!
Good luck!
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Congrats on getting the surgery. I did it in January with Dr Betz and just finished lengthening a few days ago. I reached 11,5cm and it took me 158 days. I only clicked 20 clicks a day for a very short while, and most of my lengthening period i did 15 clicks per day. It's gonna be a long distraction time to do 10-11cm, but it is very doable with the right mind set!
Good luck!
Damn, did you really lengthen 11,5?
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Damn, did you really lengthen 11,5?
Yes, read my diary here: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=69034.0
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@leonazul99
Great decision! Did Dr. Betz say something about your age?
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Hello everyone. I am not into long posts or extended diaries. However, I will post my patient experience and progress and I’m happy to answer any questions. I am postop day number 12.
Starting height-169cm
Goal with Betzbone 10-11cm.
Age 39, no health issues.
Wingspan: 172cm
Weight: 86kg
12” nail, initial gap of 6mm
I requested the IT band release.
Great time to do the surgery in Europe now given a strong dollar, around 55k Euros with it band.
I have been discharged from the hospital (St. Ingbert, Krakenhaus) yesterday. I’m spending another week in Germany and then I’m going back to my home country in Latin America.
There is pain but it is quite manageable. I am clicking at 14 clicks a day. They used to suggest 20 clicks a day, but it is now 14 Max. Each click is 0.052mm. Walking with crutches, though I can take a couple steps without them. Sleep can be difficult but I can get in six hours. My female friend has been here with me the whole time and I highly suggest to bring somebody to care for you with the little things. What I still cannnot do for myself is put on my shoes. I will look into something online As I want to be as independent as possible despite the help.
Congrats on getting the surgery!
Is there a reason they reduced it down to 14 clicks per day?
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10-11cm, seriously? I wanna do 9cm femurs with Betzbone and I was told it's gonna be a hard task by some people. I'm younger and around your weight, starting height 173cm. How was the surgery? Can you describe the pain? Also, I thought you start clicking after week 2? Why did they make it 14 clicks max and is it an individual case with you? How are you finding walking with crutches like? Last question, when do you expect to be able to walk almost normally without assistance and without crutches? How long after you're done with lengthening?
surgery was ok, no issues. The pain was nonexistent with the clicks but now the first couple of clicks on each leg are quite painful. 14 clicks max for all patients. I was told to “prevent comolications or duck ass.” Clicking starts at post op day #7. I’m used to walk with crutches now, it is harder to stand up or sit down though if the seating is low and you have to bend down. Walking normally I assume about six months from now as they recommend crutches for the full lenghening phase. In my case about 4.5 months of lengthening given my goals.
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@leonazul99
Great decision! Did Dr. Betz say something about your age?
No. There was another Betz patient in the room next door who came back for tibias. He was in his mid 60s.
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My tibia/femur ratio is almost 83%. So the lengthening will make it an ideal 80% or so.
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No. There was another Betz patient in the room next door who came back for tibias. He was in his mid 60s.
Really? He wanted to be taller at this age or was it a leg discrepancy?
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I didn’t ask him for privacy reasons but he appeared around 175 and just started his tibia clicking.
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hi there, how did you get the it band release by him? he told me once he wouldn't do that.
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see my pm
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I’m at 1.66cm gained now counting the initial gap of 6mm. Clicking is getting a bit less painful
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Hi just saw your diary. Glad your surgery went well!
I've done 10cm and 10.4cm on my legs, and I somewhat regret doing so much as my right leg still needs extensive stretching 1.5 years on. I still have anterior pelvis tilt under the mirror. This can create back problems later on in life.
I would say 9 to 9.5cm is probably the farthest you should go as I've known past patients who did that without too much problems.
Given your age and weight, recovery might be slower as well. You will get a taste of this once you're near 9cm, lengthening will be accompanied by nerve pain and you will atrophy rapidly as the muscles become so tight, there's little room for them to contract.
I understand 180cm is the dream, but 2cm might not be worth a life time of regret.
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Jus curious
Do Tibias using Betz Nail....how to rotate for the lengthening click at Tibias?
Anyone knows?
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At the ankle
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Jus curious
Do Tibias using Betz Nail....how to rotate for the lengthening click at Tibias?
Anyone knows?
Yeah i wanna see that aswell. Can you shoot a video how you doing your lengthening? Twisting your leg? or ankle?
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Hello everyone. I am not into long posts or extended diaries. However, I will post my patient experience and progress and I’m happy to answer any questions. I am postop day number 12.
Starting height-169cm
Goal with Betzbone 10-11cm.
Age 39, no health issues.
Wingspan: 172cm
Weight: 86kg
12” nail, initial gap of 6mm
I requested the IT band release.
Great time to do the surgery in Europe now given a strong dollar, around 55k Euros with it band.
I have been discharged from the hospital (St. Ingbert, Krakenhaus) yesterday. I’m spending another week in Germany and then I’m going back to my home country in Latin America.
There is pain but it is quite manageable. I am clicking at 14 clicks a day. They used to suggest 20 clicks a day, but it is now 14 Max. Each click is 0.052mm. Walking with crutches, though I can take a couple steps without them. Sleep can be difficult but I can get in six hours. My female friend has been here with me the whole time and I highly suggest to bring somebody to care for you with the little things. What I still cannnot do for myself is put on my shoes. I will look into something online As I want to be as independent as possible despite the help.
Don’t do that much :)
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That’s really goal! Wow I hope you can do it my brother! But take care of yourself and be careful. Your health is more important!
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Will be at 4cm this Monday. Doing well.
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How is the pain when clicking?
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Left was hurting a lot due to poor technique so now I pay physio extra to do my clicks for me. He is going on vacation for 4 days soon and im traveling to that same city to continue the clicks, lol. Left leg pain down a lot. Right is painless. Walking well with crutches. It’s cool adjusting the crutches to be taller as you grow. 8) I enjoy going swimming with my friends here.
On a sidenote, I had a near fall the other day. I was walking with crutches and the floor was slippery and the crutch started sliding forward. I saved myself by using my R leg to stretch forward and hold my weight. But I overstretched it which caused a micro tear in the R hamstring. Dealt with the pain for 3 days and now it is almost gone.
I also went clubbing last weekend and was able to navigate the tight spaces without crutches and dance. Though if you try this, get a VIP table to rest and general space around you. Drinking with all these pain meds does not cause any reaction.
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Thanks!
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Succession of 3 clicks. To the side (external rotation) and return to neutral. No pain.
https://youtube.com/shorts/t18hvkksytI?feature=share (https://youtube.com/shorts/t18hvkksytI?feature=share)
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“Hi just saw your diary. Glad your surgery went well!
I've done 10cm and 10.4cm on my legs, and I somewhat regret doing so much as my right leg still needs extensive stretching 1.5 years on. I still have anterior pelvis tilt under the mirror. This can create back problems later on in life.
I would say 9 to 9.5cm is probably the farthest you should go as I've known past patients who did that without too much problems.
Given your age and weight, recovery might be slower as well. You will get a taste of this once you're near 9cm, lengthening will be accompanied by nerve pain and you will atrophy rapidly as the muscles become so tight, there's little room for them to contract.
I understand 180cm is the dream, but 2cm might not be worth a life time of regret.”
Also Betz measured wrong and I was at 169.3 working backwards (Betz told
Me 168.5) after measuring myself. Another pt here also mentioned the measuring differential.
If that happens I will stop at 9cm. Already have tibias scheduled with Betz.
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Leon Azul the GOAT
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Still doing well, I have wide leg but am working on it. IT band is tight despite the release that was done. No duck ass. Lengthening at 15 clicks a day or 0.75mm daily. Clicks are painless. Walking without crutches at home. Xrays looked good with callus growing. Will hit 6cm gained in 4 days putting me at 175.3. Going for 10-11cm if body allows. Have tibias scheduled for Jan of '23.
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Still doing well, I have wide leg but am working on it. IT band is tight despite the release that was done. No duck ass. Lengthening at 15 clicks a day or 0.75mm daily. Clicks are painless. Walking without crutches at home. Xrays looked good with callus growing. Will hit 6cm gained in 4 days putting me at 175.3. Going for 10-11cm if body allows. Have tibias scheduled for Jan of '23.
why exactly betz against it band release?
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hey buddy boyo i just wanted to congratulate you on your adventure
i know we spoke in your other thread about the "positive experiences" when you told people about your lengthening, but i just wanted you to know that all that time i thought you are born in 99 aka youre early 20s and babbling about the LL to other early 20s guys and girls but now i see youre 39 so obviously your friends and stuff are other 40 year olds
please disregard my observations in that thread, it was meant for a young guy currently fighting for his place among the gen Z crowd, yours is a completely different story, you obviously are chasing a life long dream of finally curing yourself from the curse of manletism with your 2 betz surgeries and women in your age group wouldnt even give a crap anyway since money talks at that age, and it seems by the fact that youre dropping 100+k right into dr Betz's 7th ferrari fund you got that sorted out proper
good luck mate wish you all the best!
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Thanks, I live a crazy life since getting divorced in 2020. I moved to Colombia/Mexico and all my friends are in their 20s and I don’t date/f-u-c-k women above 24. I look like I’m in my late 20s/early 30s. I did the surgery on a whim and it was not a life long passion. Someone I loved (not my ex wife) broke my heart in a terrible way and I later remembered she made fun of various parts of my physique. So I decided this would be a year of transformation to build myself into a Greek god physically and a personal challenge to withstand the pain and struggle. Hence the surgery. I make more money than betz a year but not by much. He makes around 17k per surgery.
Would you please stay out of my threads and go bother someone else. If this continues, I will stop posting and leave this forum to the detriment of the members here.
hey buddy boyo i just wanted to congratulate you on your adventure
i know we spoke in your other thread about the "positive experiences" when you told people about your lengthening, but i just wanted you to know that all that time i thought you are born in 99 aka youre early 20s and babbling about the LL to other early 20s guys and girls but now i see youre 39 so obviously your friends and stuff are other 40 year olds
please disregard my observations in that thread, it was meant for a young guy currently fighting for his place among the gen Z crowd, yours is a completely different story, you obviously are chasing a life long dream of finally curing yourself from the curse of manletism with your 2 betz surgeries and women in your age group wouldnt even give a crap anyway since money talks at that age, and it seems by the fact that youre dropping 100+k right into dr Betz's 7th ferrari fund you got that sorted out proper
good luck mate wish you all the best!
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:)
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gee, i state my support for a fellow heightmaxxer and wish him well on his 2 back to back surgeries and thats the thanks i get?
kinda rude there dont you think buddy boyo
but anywayzz, thanks for the laughs and good luck with all that
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Here is the first post op X-ray from 2 weeks ago. About 5cm here. Becker said it looked good with good callus.
(https://i.ibb.co/V3JV4VR/xray.jpg)
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Thanks, I live a crazy life since getting divorced in 2020. I moved to Colombia/Mexico and all my friends are in their 20s and I don’t date/f-u-c-k women above 24. I look like I’m in my late 20s/early 30s. I did the surgery on a whim and it was not a life long passion. Someone I loved (not my ex wife) broke my heart in a terrible way and I later remembered she made fun of various parts of my physique. So I decided this would be a year of transformation to build myself into a Greek god physically and a personal challenge to withstand the pain and struggle. Hence the surgery. I make more money than betz a year but not by much. He makes around 17k per surgery.
Would you please stay out of my threads and go bother someone else. If this continues, I will stop posting and leave this forum to the detriment of the members here.
he sounds like an incel adapting this forum, please stop updating your story because of some toxic wannabes. best wishes on your journey.
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please don't stop updating your story because of some people. best wishes on your journey.
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please don't stop updating your story because of some people. best wishes on your journey.
thank you 🙏🏼
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Hi Leon
Thanks so much
Questions
Questions
- Is it safe to bend over and pick up something off the floor?
- Can I work out if lying on a bench
- Do I need a physio or is dedicated stretching by yourself enough?
- How long do I need crutches for 7-8cm at 15 clicks per day
- How short distances I can walk around without crutches (5 mins? 20 mins?) is it risky to do this?
- Can I walk my dog with it?
- Possible to still have sex?
- Can I cook or will I need crutches
- Lifts in shoes? Or not good
- Best stretches?
- How do I get home with crutches and luggage
- Sleeping position at night. Can I lie on my side?
- Sleeping tablets a good idea at night?
- What’s stretches and exercises should I do prior to coming?
- Have you noticed more attention from ladies?
- What are the key things to avoid risking a bent nail or screw.
- What are the key things to pack when coming over?
- Any good excuses to tell coworkers?
- Is it possible to work in office full time after surgery or is too hard.
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Hi Leon
Thanks so much
Questions
Questions
*I'm about 90 days post op.*
- Is it safe to bend over and pick up something off the floor? It's more of a bend down motion but it's still difficult and slow and scary that I may fall. It helps to hold onto something. That object has to be worth it or I ask for help.
- Can I work out if lying on a bench Yes
- Do I need a physio or is dedicated stretching by yourself enough? You need physio, for the physio, stretching and possible assisted clicks
- How long do I need crutches for 7-8cm at 15 clicks per day, I'm not sure.
- How short distances I can walk around without crutches (5 mins? 20 mins?) is it risky to do this? Depends on where you are in the healing phase. At this point I can do 5 min at home.
- Can I walk my dog with it? No, your dog can pull you and make you fall, I wouldn't risk it.
- Possible to still have sxx? Yes 8)
- Can I cook or will I need crutches with crutches but moving around the kitchen without is fine, getting an assistant is better.
- Lifts in shoes? Or not good not sure what you mean here, where comfortable slippers and sneakers throughout
- Best stretches? research
- How do I get home with crutches and luggage wheelchair service and assistant
- Sleeping position at night. Can I lie on my side? back and stomach, side for me is a no.
- Sleeping tablets a good idea at night? yes
- What’s stretches and exercises should I do prior to coming? research forum
- Have you noticed more attention from ladies? I'm around the same people now but if you mean new people at a club, etc, they will notice your crutches before your height. But at times without the crutches, yes you will feel taller and get more looks.
- What are the key things to avoid risking a bent nail or screw. putting too much weight on it, falling, drastic movements
- What are the key things to pack when coming over? research
- Any good excuses to tell coworkers? don't know, I work from home and am the owner
- Is it possible to work in office full time after surgery or is too hard. see above
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Day 90
Measured myself at physio today and the height predicted by the betznail clicks exactly match what I should be. I'm at 175.4 today started at 169.3. 4cm to go to get to 10cm and then if I'm doing well will ask betz for permission to go to 11cm. Continue to take pain meds and work from home. Clicks are painless. No long term knee pain, etc. I do have a bit of meralgia parestetica on the L side with numbness but that should resolve. I have no duck ass but I do have wide leg secondary to tight IT band. Able to walk maybe 5 min without crutches. I had some pain in the greater trochanter area on both sides where the IT band connects and I think it developed into trochanteric bursitis (inflammation). I went to a local physiatrist (PMR doctor) and he injected a long acting bethamethasone (steroid) solution with ultrasound imaging and now the pain/inflammation in those areas is completely gone. Legs are quite tight when I wake up but moving them around helps. Overall, I'm quite pleased with my surgery.
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Since you have reached about 5-6 cm i would strongly recommend to stand in front of a mirror nked to see if you feel your femur looks to long. I especially recommend to also sit dont and see how your legs look compared to your upper body when you sit down.
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Tibias with Betz Nails.
Do you know how to twist the legs with tibias lengthening?
Have you done it yet? more pains than Femurs?
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Hope things are going well and you achieve your goals.
What is your sitting height?
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“ Since you have reached about 5-6 cm i would strongly recommend to stand in front of a mirror nked to see if you feel your femur looks to long. I especially recommend to also sit dont and see how your legs look compared to your upper body when you sit down.”
I don’t care honestly. I want my 10-11cm
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Tibias with Betz Nails.
Do you know how to twist the legs with tibias lengthening?
Have you done it yet? more pains than Femurs?
I saw a patient do it in front of me. It is internal and external rotation at the ankle joint. I’d like to talk to a betz tibia patient as well buts it’s all femurs that I know of
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“ Hope things are going well and you achieve your goals.
What is your sitting height? ”
Thank you and Not sure
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yes...I m interested to do Tibias LL
However, i can only see the Femur LL lengthening video by Betz institute
Jus curious how the ankle being twisted 90 degree...so scary ::)
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yes...I m interested to do Tibias LL
However, i can only see the Femur LL lengthening video by Betz institute
Jus curious how the ankle being twisted 90 degree...so scary ::)
Hi, the clicking with tibia is much much easier and painless than with femur. That‘s about the only better thing about tibia LL though. Tibia is a much tougher, complicated and longer surgery than femur. You can gain much less height and only click 7-10 clicks a day, plus the consolidation is also longer. It takes much longer to heal for less height. And IIRC you also need one additional surgery to adjust the screw angle or something like that (at the end of lengthening, to ensure correct axis).
IMO everyone should always go femurs first. Then tibia but only if it really is necessary. I much rather push my stretching during femur LL and get as much as possible and then be happy about it.
(Unless you can for whatever reason only choose external methods, then I would not do femur - but I wouldn‘t do a cosmetic lengthening with externals to begin with).
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he sounds like an incel adapting this forum, please stop updating your story because of some toxic wannabes. best wishes on your journey.
well thats a bit passive aggressive there isnit it
balme are you still salty i told you to use the search button on your undescended testicle thread? its not my fault you dont know how to use a search button or the modify post button
also remind me again who of us has done the surgery and who goes around peoples threads asking them how they are walking, you know, to find out the true wannabe
Here is the first post op X-ray from 2 weeks ago. About 5cm here. Becker said it looked good with good callus.
(https://i.ibb.co/V3JV4VR/xray.jpg)
a whole week and not a single forum buddy boyo has decided its a good idea to aware our future greek god slayer of 24 year old latinas that he has a pronounced proximal varus deformity
i thought this forum was a place of sharing and support, where is your team spirit guys?
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I asked you not to post on my threads. Please pass me your home address so I can come by and break your legs for you a second time. No charge mate. Vietnam wouldn’t be a problem. Let’s see if I can call your doctor and figure out who you are by your detailed diary with some bull or I wonder if 100k would sway his ethics. I have a lot of time now to get my team working on this.
well thats a bit passive aggressive there isnit it
balme are you still salty i told you to use the search button on your undescended testicle thread? its not my fault you dont know how to use a search button or the modify post button
also remind me again who of us has done the surgery and who goes around peoples threads asking them how they are walking, you know, to find out the true wannabe
a whole week and not a single forum buddy boyo has decided its a good idea to aware our future greek god slayer of 24 year old latinas that he has a pronounced proximal varus deformity
i thought this forum was a place of sharing and support, where is your team spirit guys?
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I asked you not to post on my threads. Please pass me your home address so I can come by and break your legs for you a second time. No charge mate. Vietnam wouldn’t be a problem. Let’s see if I can call your doctor and figure out who you are by your detailed diary with some bull or I wonder if 100k would sway his ethics. I have a lot of time now to get my team working on this.
hey buddy boyo, glad you answered so quickly
if you weren't making such hilarious posts i wouldnt have been enjoying laughing at the things you say. are you even hearing yourself? in what universe would a doctor take "100k to sway his ethics", jeopardizing 20 years of reputation and potential losses of hundreds of future patients and millions of revenue when it gets around he done this
this is not a turkish doctor buddy boyo, no luck
what i can offer you is you give me that 100k and i will personally welcome you at the airport, drive you to my home address in my own vehicle, ill even get a boxing ring set up in front of my house for our little throwdown, however you would have an advantage on me as the crutches would be considered extra weapons that i dont have
what do you say? transferwise me that amount and ill get everything sorted real quick
anyway, but seriously, you also need to lighten up and stop seeking so much validation from complete strangers on the internet
the fact of the matter is that you have bilateral proximal femur varus, this is not my laymans opinion, i asked a certain doctor on the forum who is active and he made the diagnosis
a better way to spend your energy is into figuring out when and how to get that deformity fixed
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hey buddy boyo, glad you answered so quickly
if you weren't making such hilarious posts i wouldnt have been enjoying laughing at the things you say. are you even hearing yourself? in what universe would a doctor take "100k to sway his ethics", jeopardizing 20 years of reputation and potential losses of hundreds of future patients and millions of revenue when it gets around he done this
this is not a turkish doctor buddy boyo, no luck
what i can offer you is you give me that 100k and i will personally welcome you at the airport, drive you to my home address in my own vehicle, ill even get a boxing ring set up in front of my house for our little throwdown, however you would have an advantage on me as the crutches would be considered extra weapons that i dont have
what do you say? transferwise me that amount and ill get everything sorted real quick
anyway, but seriously, you also need to lighten up and stop seeking so much validation from complete strangers on the internet
the fact of the matter is that you have bilateral proximal femur varus, this is not my laymans opinion, i asked a certain doctor on the forum who is active and he made the diagnosis
a better way to spend your energy is into figuring out when and how to get that deformity fixed
Sorry boklerct, but I have to tell you that, for a Vietnamesse doctor or not, he can sell anything for less than 100k, you were well treated because you are white, don’t trust them they don’t have honor.
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Sure I’ll wire you that 100k. Bank needs a name and address ;)
hey buddy boyo, glad you answered so quickly
if you weren't making such hilarious posts i wouldnt have been enjoying laughing at the things you say. are you even hearing yourself? in what universe would a doctor take "100k to sway his ethics", jeopardizing 20 years of reputation and potential losses of hundreds of future patients and millions of revenue when it gets around he done this
this is not a turkish doctor buddy boyo, no luck
what i can offer you is you give me that 100k and i will personally welcome you at the airport, drive you to my home address in my own vehicle, ill even get a boxing ring set up in front of my house for our little throwdown, however you would have an advantage on me as the crutches would be considered extra weapons that i dont have
what do you say? transferwise me that amount and ill get everything sorted real quick
anyway, but seriously, you also need to lighten up and stop seeking so much validation from complete strangers on the internet
the fact of the matter is that you have bilateral proximal femur varus, this is not my laymans opinion, i asked a certain doctor on the forum who is active and he made the diagnosis
a better way to spend your energy is into figuring out when and how to get that deformity fixed
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Hey guys I’m at 8.2cm now. Wide leg continues to get worse and I basically deduced my IT band was never released. PM if you want to know the details. I’m flying to Greece with Dr. G to get the IT bank cut and resolve the wide leg. The wide leg makes it hard to walk and stand but I understand it will resolve itself. After crossing 7cm, there is more pain at the areas the IT band inserts into and occasional knee pain. Everything just seems tighter. No duck ass. And height on nails equals measured height, nothing lost. I stretch with therapy twice a day now. Going for 10.5cm to get to my 180cm unless knee pain or something else makes overwhelming. Looking forward to going to Greece with my girl
At roughly 7.5cm:
(https://i.ibb.co/JzV5Nmn/Left-Xray.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/PZpM7B0/Right-Xray.png)
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Hey guys I’m at 8.2cm now. Wide leg continues to get worse and I basically deduced my IT band was never released. PM if you want to know the details. I’m flying to Greece with Dr. G to get the IT bank cut and resolve the wide leg. The wide leg makes it hard to walk and stand but I understand it will resolve itself. After crossing 7cm, there is more pain at the areas the IT band inserts into and occasional knee pain. Everything just seems tighter. No duck ass. And height on nails equals measured height, nothing lost. I stretch with therapy twice a day now. Going for 10.5cm to get to my 180cm unless knee pain or something else makes overwhelming. Looking forward to going to Greece with my girl
At roughly 7.5cm:
(https://i.ibb.co/JzV5Nmn/Left-Xray.png)
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You are so nearly there!
When did the wide legs/walking become a problem for you?
I am hoping to do 7.5/7.95 R and L respectively, and am hoping that 2 months post surgery i can walk 95% normally with an undetectable gait. Possible or optimistic?
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Approaching 9cm. Taking some days off here and there because of knee pain. Knee pain is scary to me because I don't want it to be long term. I've been on oxycodone 20mg 2-3x a day for the past two weeks to manage the pain and treatment for OIC side effects. Using buprenorphine knee patches. Also had steroid injections into various joints with a physiatrist under ultrasound over the past two months to lower pain. There is no clicking pain but to be clear, lots of pain at the femoral head (where it band connects), at the R knee, and PSIS in the lower sacrum and in psoas muscle. Everything is very tight and natural position is for legs to be in flexion at 30 degrees or so at the knee, I have to stretch with pain to keep motion there. Fisio comes to house twice a day over the past six weeks as it became difficult to go clinic. Walking is 5 min max and showering is back to using a chair. Standing up and just being erect is painful because of wide leg and tightness. Wide leg is extreme. I also have meralgia paresthetica in the left leg which numbness to touch because of lateral cutaneous nerve entrapment. Hopefully it doesn't develop into shooting pain. In general, living with lots of pain beginning a month ago. I was offered to a second release of the IT band with the team for 10k which included 10 days of fisio. Feel like this should have been free but hey.
The positive: No particular other pain in any muscle group. No duck ass. Nail clicks equal exactly height gained per measurement. It's cool to be taller than my physio now as I measured myself against him since the beginning as well. IT band tightness is reversible and I will return to normal soon. Just have to be patient. Good bone growth. No bent nails, etc. Becker is quick to respond on WhatsApp with any issues and will schedule a call with you if needed. Scars are minimal.
Sleeping is difficult even with the pain meds and occasional 0.5mg of Xanax (I am aware of mixing opioids and benzos). I stopped stretching the IT band 3 weeks ago because of the intense pain it would later cause and it not doing anything to relieve it band tightness. All this because of wide leg because my IT band was not released properly and I was given a "soft release" that works "until 6cm" [Becker's words] instead of the normal one where I told Betz I wanted 10cm and states that in my chart. Was also charged for it when I shouldn't have been. I am looking forward to less pain and more walking with the it band release in Greece in about two weeks. Guys get your IT band cut properly if doing more than 6cm on the femur. Also, the Betz team is now just Becker outside of the OR. I'm not sure who does the actual surgery. You'll never see Betz or get his opinion on anything again if you leave Germany. Although Becker seems very nice we are paying for the 30 years of expertise and case experience of Dr. Betz. All the extra medical care and medication was organized by me (I used to be a practicing physician) as the advice of the Betz team is to "stretch more....take an extra novagen."
Had video consult with Dr. G before booking tickets and he seems quite profesional. Cost of IT band release is very low as well and he is not making any profit on this. I chose him because of the same situation here with SIRSTRETCHALOT.
Support of my mexicana girlfriend who sleeps with me nightly :-* and my friends and my team of local medical professionals have been invaluable. Could never do this alone in some hotel room or even alone going to physio. Get your support network in place. Better to do this in a rich country and then chill in Thailand with a girl while healing than alone in Germany if those are your options.
I offered my physio a $500 bonus if we reach 10cm together. Let's see what happens
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Hi, when did the knee pain start? Did you tell Becker/Betz about it?
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Approaching 9cm. Taking some days off here and there because of knee pain. Knee pain is scary to me because I don't want it to be long term. I've been on oxycodone 20mg 2-3x a day for the past two weeks to manage the pain. Using buprenorphine knee patches. Also had steroid injections into various joints with a physiatrist under ultrasound over the past two months to lower pain. There is no clicking pain but to be clear, lots of pain at the femoral head (where it band connects) at the R knee, and PSIS in the lower sacrum and in psoas muscle. Everything is very tight and natural position is for legs to be in flexion at 30 degrees or so at the knee, I have to stretch with pain to keep motion there. Fisio comes to house twice a day over the past six weeks as it became difficult to go clinic. Walking is 5 min max and showering is back to using a chair. Standing up and just being erect is painful because of wide leg and tightness. Wide leg is extreme. I also have meralgia paresthetica in the left leg which numbness to touch because of lateral cutaneous nerve entrapment. Hopefully it doesn't develop into shooting pain. No particular other pain in any muscle group. No duck ass. Sleeping is difficult even with the pain meds and occasional 0.5mg of Xanax (I am aware of mixing opioids and benzos). I stopped stretching the IT band 3 weeks ago because of the intense pain it would later cause and it not doing anything to relieve it band tightness. All this because of wide leg because my IT band was not released properly and I was given a "soft release" that works until 6cm instead of the normal one where I told Betz I wanted 10cm and states that in my chart. Was also charged for it when I shouldn't have been. I am looking forward to less pain and more walking with the it band release in Greece in about two weeks. Guys get your IT band cut properly if doing more than 6cm on the femur.
Why Betz so against IT band release?
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Hi, when did the knee pain start?
At around 7.5cm. It is there in both legs but much more present in the R leg. Ironically not there with clicking, just flexion and extension and internal rotation of the knee.
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Why Betz so against IT band release?
I'm not here to trash Betz, so I won't answer this publicly. But know he is doing soft releases for everyone. Or Becker that is
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I'm not here to trash Betz, so I won't answer this publicly. But know he is doing soft releases for everyone. Or Becker that is
Nothing to trash about. I just wonder what is his explanation because there must be a reason, right?
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At around 7.5cm. It is there in both legs but much more present in the R leg. Ironically not there with clicking, just flexion and extension and internal rotation of the knee.
Its interesting that tibia knee pain didn't start until 7.5 cm
With gnail femurs, I started getting knee pain at around 2cm and now at about 3.5 cm I am getting woken up twice every night with knee pain. I've used ice pads so far to deal with it, has an effect much faster than pain killers
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Nothing to trash about. I just wonder what is his explanation because there must be a reason, right?
In general Betz is a surgeon who try to damage as less as possible during his surgery and I assume that the IT Band has any function in the body, in particular at Running. Therefore, I assume that Betz does not want to risk any longterm complication in this regard, if the majority of the patients can handle it without IT Band release as well.
However thats only what I guess but it would make sense.
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Nothing to trash about. I just wonder what is his explanation because there must be a reason, right?
That he doesn’t want to cut healthy tissue since some patients don’t need it.
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That he doesn’t want to cut healthy tissue since some patients don’t need it. Though this goes against the standard of care when a patient tells him/them they want 6cm+ which would be almost everyone.
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weird because paley do as default. so who's right ? ???
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weird because paley do as default. so who's right ? ???
No Itband release is foolish. I think that was the biggest downside with Betz in the past. It has no long term consequences but walking may be a little bit more difficult in the beginning. But then again, who cares if you can walk well in the first weeks when you are fked later right? I think walking well in the hospital gives a good boost mentally and might be beneficial for early recovery but it doesn‘t outweigh having to have a second surgery later on.
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weird because paley do as default. so who's right ? ???
Wide leg is no joke, it’s almost the same as being in a wheelchair. And it’s mentally draining because you’re getting worse everyday compared to when you started instead of getting better.
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Wide leg is no joke, it’s almost the same as being in a wheelchair. And it’s mentally draining because you’re getting worse everyday compared to when you started instead of getting better.
Very true.
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Hey guys at around 9.1cm now. To get to 10.5 I need 18 more days and then I’m done. Let’s start a count down, I’ll check in regularly. Will let you know if I took a day off. Flying to Greece in a week to cut it band. Pain levels range from low to quite high. The pain is always there, 95% related to the it band being tight. Trying to walk around more with crutches. Sleep has been poop . Outside of twice daily physio stretching I try to stretch throughout the day because the knee flexion makes you feel like you’re trapped in your own body. I’ll post a pic of the knee patches in a bit. Have an appt this Thursday for more steroid injections in femoral head area. Had a special event and gave my friend a beautiful diamond heart shaped necklace. She loved it 🥰
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17 days left. R femoral head continues to hurt.
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16 days
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15 days, less pain after joint injections by podiatrist
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14 days.
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As so many other have said before, the last cm or so seems to be the worst!
I remember when I was at like 10,5cm I wanted to quit, I was just sick and tired and wanted to start recovering. I also had knee pain at that time if I remember correctly (all the times I had pain seems to be a distant memory now), I messaged Dr Becker asking if I should quit "only" reaching 176cm and that the last cm didn't matter. But him and my friends motivated me to get trough the last cm reaching my original goal of 11,5cm and becoming 177cm tall. Looking back at it I AM SO GLAD I followed trough I did not quit, even with the pain and stiffness. You only have a few weeks now, so you'll make it!
Do you have duck ass? My duck ass started at 7cm and got progressively worse the more I lengthened. My duck ass is still not resolved, but I am very close now and hopefully It will be resolved in 4-6 weeks! I also had wide-legs after 2-3cm, but after working hard on it - that was gone at around 6-7cm.
Four months post clicking I have very little to no pain, so I am pretty confident that the pain you are scared about now will disappear in the future. But I do know and understand the fear of permanent pain when you are experiencing it. All the pain I had and was concerned about eventually went away.
Good luck the last few weeks!
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As so many other have said before, the last cm or so seems to be the worst!
I remember when I was at like 10,5cm I wanted to quit, I was just sick and tired and wanted to start recovering. I also had knee pain at that time if I remember correctly (all the times I had pain seems to be a distant memory now), I messaged Dr Becker asking if I should quit "only" reaching 176cm and that the last cm didn't matter. But him and my friends motivated me to get trough the last cm reaching my original goal of 11,5cm and becoming 177cm tall. Looking back at it I AM SO GLAD I followed trough I did not quit, even with the pain and stiffness. You only have a few weeks now, so you'll make it!
Do you have duck ass? My duck ass started at 7cm and got progressively worse the more I lengthened. My duck ass is still not resolved, but I am very close now and hopefully It will be resolved in 4-6 weeks! I also had wide-legs after 2-3cm, but after working hard on it - that was gone at around 6-7cm.
Four months post clicking I have very little to no pain, so I am pretty confident that the pain you are scared about now will disappear in the future. But I do know and understand the fear of permanent pain when you are experiencing it. All the pain I had and was concerned about eventually went away.
Good luck the last few weeks!
Hey, I think we were speaking on telegram. Never had any duckass but wide leg is extreme. I decided to stop at 10.5 but nothing is stopping me from going to 11 or 11.5. I'm going to ask Dr. G's opinion. You were able to see to Betz personally for another eval but I don't feel comfortable going over 10.5 without some kind of personal consultation from an experienced LL doctor. Since the steroid shots a couple days ago, the pain is almost 0 without opioids. It is the really tight IT band that is/was 100% of the cause of my pain. Knee pain is gone as well with knee patches. The shots last 3 weeks and then pain comes back. So glad your pain went away. Clicking takes less than 60 seconds on each leg and is done in continuous motion by my fisio. No preconsolidation at the 0.78mm rate I have been at. But you are right the process and patience is grueling going into 4.5 months post surgery and still clicking and basically bound to my house because of wideleg or I have to take the wheelchair. At least I can have sxx. 11.5 would be cool as heck though, I would be at 181cm. Enough I think to not even consider tibias in the future. How is your gait? And really no pain at all right now? 181cm is also very tall in Colombia and Mexico where 167cm is the male average.
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My meds for the day, my pups and urine container since I get lazy at night to walk to the small bathroom when everything is stiff.
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Good luck man! Surgery is in a few days right?
Stopping at 10.5cm seems like a good idea. Hope it only gets better for you from here :)
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What is telegram? Don't think we have spoken there because I'm not familiar with it? 🙈🤣
Sad to hear about your issues with wide legs and what it limits you this much. But can say, you will resolve it in time... yes time... everything with this surgery does take a lot of time... and work... Don't regret anything, but can't wait for some more time to pass! 😂
Can understand hitting 181cm, and before this surgery I was thinking of doing tibias as well to become over 180cm, maybe even 183cm - that "magic" 6,0 foot number! But reaching 177cm, I'm fine, no more LLS for me. My height dysphoria is gone and I don't feel small anymore. I live in one of the nordic countries and I feel as tall or taller than more that half the people I meet. I have no desire to become "tall" because I am tall enough and will most likely never be called short or looked upon as small ever again.
Another thing I have learnt becoming 177cm is that most people below 190cm lie about their height anyways. Remember my general doctor tellings me after I got the surgery that he was 168cm when I was at 166cm, and could clearly look over him. My physiotherapist told me he was 180cm when I started to go to him, I am taller than him without shoes when he is wearing shoes. Other friends who have told me their whole life they are 180cm tall are around my height now. So I am pretty sure all of these "studies" about height are inaccurate, mostly because they use data that is self reported - and most people lie about their height! Heck even a female friend said I should just tell people I'm 180cm tall 🙈 You must feel like a tall person i Columbia and Mexico?
Gait is still not great because of duck ass, it is okay and improving. I am almost there where I don't feel embarrassed walking without crutches in public now. I reckon another 4-6 weeks and I'll be able to walk upright with a slight limp, and from there things will only get better.
Yeah, pain is basically non-existent. Even when my physiotherapist really pushed me during sessions pain is very light. I haven't used an opioid since mid March or any pain killers since July. I had some IT-band pain a few weeks ago after pushing at the physio, but that is also now completely gone. So I wouldn't worry about pain, it only temporary.
Hey, I think we were speaking on telegram. Never had any duckass but wide leg is extreme. I decided to stop at 10.5 but nothing is stopping me from going to 11 or 11.5. I'm going to ask Dr. G's opinion. You were able to see to Betz personally for another eval but I don't feel comfortable going over 10.5 without some kind of personal consultation from an experienced LL doctor. Since the steroid shots a couple days ago, the pain is almost 0 without opioids. It is the really tight IT band that is/was 100% of the cause of my pain. Knee pain is gone as well with knee patches. The shots last 3 weeks and then pain comes back. So glad your pain went away. Clicking takes less than 60 seconds on each leg and is done in continuous motion by my fisio. No preconsolidation at the 0.78mm rate I have been at. But you are right the process and patience is grueling going into 4.5 months post surgery and still clicking and basically bound to my house because of wideleg or I have to take the wheelchair. At least I can have sxx. 11.5 would be cool as heck though, I would be at 181cm. Enough I think to not even consider tibias in the future. How is your gait? And really no pain at all right now? 181cm is also very tall in Colombia and Mexico where 167cm is the male average.
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13 days, took yesterday off. This should be 9.5cm gained as of today.
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I hope to have a quick recovery like yourself. You're right, so many people are liars. Hitting 180 I could say I'm 183, lol. Looking forward to my it band release, I am very much an invalid now barely able to walk with the wide legs getting wider everyday.
What is telegram? Don't think we have spoken there because I'm not familiar with it? 🙈🤣
Sad to hear about your issues with wide legs and what it limits you this much. But can say, you will resolve it in time... yes time... everything with this surgery does take a lot of time... and work... Don't regret anything, but can't wait for some more time to pass! 😂
Can understand hitting 181cm, and before this surgery I was thinking of doing tibias as well to become over 180cm, maybe even 183cm - that "magic" 6,0 foot number! But reaching 177cm, I'm fine, no more LLS for me. My height dysphoria is gone and I don't feel small anymore. I live in one of the nordic countries and I feel as tall or taller than more that half the people I meet. I have no desire to become "tall" because I am tall enough and will most likely never be called short or looked upon as small ever again.
Another thing I have learnt becoming 177cm is that most people below 190cm lie about their height anyways. Remember my general doctor tellings me after I got the surgery that he was 168cm when I was at 166cm, and could clearly look over him. My physiotherapist told me he was 180cm when I started to go to him, I am taller than him without shoes when he is wearing shoes. Other friends who have told me their whole life they are 180cm tall are around my height now. So I am pretty sure all of these "studies" about height are inaccurate, mostly because they use data that is self reported - and most people lie about their height! Heck even a female friend said I should just tell people I'm 180cm tall 🙈 You must feel like a tall person i Columbia and Mexico?
Gait is still not great because of duck ass, it is okay and improving. I am almost there where I don't feel embarrassed walking without crutches in public now. I reckon another 4-6 weeks and I'll be able to walk upright with a slight limp, and from there things will only get better.
Yeah, pain is basically non-existent. Even when my physiotherapist really pushed me during sessions pain is very light. I haven't used an opioid since mid March or any pain killers since July. I had some IT-band pain a few weeks ago after pushing at the physio, but that is also now completely gone. So I wouldn't worry about pain, it only temporary.
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Good luck Leon - almost there
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12 days, said goodbye to my físio who has become a good friend, packing for my flight.
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What is telegram? Don't think we have spoken there because I'm not familiar with it? 🙈🤣
Sad to hear about your issues with wide legs and what it limits you this much. But can say, you will resolve it in time... yes time... everything with this surgery does take a lot of time... and work... Don't regret anything, but can't wait for some more time to pass! 😂
Can understand hitting 181cm, and before this surgery I was thinking of doing tibias as well to become over 180cm, maybe even 183cm - that "magic" 6,0 foot number! But reaching 177cm, I'm fine, no more LLS for me. My height dysphoria is gone and I don't feel small anymore. I live in one of the nordic countries and I feel as tall or taller than more that half the people I meet. I have no desire to become "tall" because I am tall enough and will most likely never be called short or looked upon as small ever again.
Another thing I have learnt becoming 177cm is that most people below 190cm lie about their height anyways. Remember my general doctor tellings me after I got the surgery that he was 168cm when I was at 166cm, and could clearly look over him. My physiotherapist told me he was 180cm when I started to go to him, I am taller than him without shoes when he is wearing shoes. Other friends who have told me their whole life they are 180cm tall are around my height now. So I am pretty sure all of these "studies" about height are inaccurate, mostly because they use data that is self reported - and most people lie about their height! Heck even a female friend said I should just tell people I'm 180cm tall 🙈 You must feel like a tall person i Columbia and Mexico?
Gait is still not great because of duck ass, it is okay and improving. I am almost there where I don't feel embarrassed walking without crutches in public now. I reckon another 4-6 weeks and I'll be able to walk upright with a slight limp, and from there things will only get better.
Yeah, pain is basically non-existent. Even when my physiotherapist really pushed me during sessions pain is very light. I haven't used an opioid since mid March or any pain killers since July. I had some IT-band pain a few weeks ago after pushing at the physio, but that is also now completely gone. So I wouldn't worry about pain, it only temporary.
Great post!
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11 days. Here in Frankfurt Germany on a layover. Grabbed dinner at a chill Italian spot last night. Here’s some pics of condor business class with lay down seats. It was still very uncomfortable but I made it work. Notice severity of wide leg. Here’s a shot of my old sweat pants from yesterday, height difference is there lol. Rack of lamb and black truffle pasta from Italian place.
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11 days. Here in Frankfurt Germany on a layover. Grabbed dinner at a chill Italian spot last night. Here’s some pics of condor business class with lay down seats. It was still very uncomfortable but I made it work. Notice severity of wide leg. Here’s a shot of my old sweat pants from yesterday, height difference is there lol. Rack of lamb and black truffle pasta from Italian place.
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I also had to throw all my pants (and suits :( :() away. Just kept my shorts ;D ;D
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Good luck Leon - almost there
Thanks!
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10 days left, meeting Dr G tom. Flight to Greece was terrible with extreme pain in the R leg while in the air. Any moment without pain is a good one, hopefully the it band release helps.
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No. There was another Betz patient in the room next door who came back for tibias. He was in his mid 60s.
are you sure that patient in mid 60s? so old to do LL...
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Holy sh!t you just made me realize I have like 10k in suits that ill have to toss.
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are you sure that patient in mid 60s? so old to do LL...
In my late 30s. ::)
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Holy sh!t you just made me realize I have like 10k in suits that ill have to toss.
Yep jajaja
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Holy sh!t you just made me realize I have like 10k in suits that ill have to toss.
yep, LL is an expensive journey ;)
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9 days. Dr G is cool.
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i think early 50 is ok but 60s...i dun think it is worth to do LL anymore.
I am really surprised to learn people over 60 still doing LL.
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Hey guys, had the IT band release and can touch knees together with knees flexed. Made me realize when I met the doc that I had a significant problem with hamstring tightness and knee extension. It is very painful to extend the knees to 0 degrees when legs are close together. I have been working on it in physio for the past two weeks and have seen big gains; though, they are costly in terms of excruciating pain. The team with Dr. G is caring and organized well. Fisio team is superb. Hoping to get walking really well with crutches soon. I have an issue with my pelvis as well where one side is higher than another that I think can we worked out in fisio. When I met Dr. G, I was told to stop clicking, so I am satisfied with 9.8cm gain on femurs to put myself at 179.5. I can stand straight now with legs much closer together and can feel the height, it's awesome.
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just out of curiosity, not meaning to be rude, how much did you stretch per day? Those issues sound like they come from definitely not stretching enough during lengthening.
For reference, I have neglected hamstring stretches for some time and have had the exact same issue with knee extension on my right leg. Although I am now focusing a lot more on it and it already got much better. I also had extra PT sessions focusing on it and it was indeed very painful so I can confirm that.
about wide legs I had them pretty bad at 3-4cm but then ramped up the stretching even if it hurt a lot and now I am close to 7cm and I have 0 wide legs, my It band flexibility got much better so idk if it’s because I stretched the ITB itself or the TFL, it did work very well for me. My knees touch in resting position and when standing. I also don’t have the inward foot rotation thing anymore. Only the knee flexion on my right leg is still slightly there.
Anyways great to hear you finished your process and are happy with your results.
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Great point. I went to físio daily and then when I got bad he came to my house twice a day. The problem is they never stretched me to elicit pain and never told me that was part of the process. They never had a specific goal in mind like 0 degree knee extension. When wide leg started around 5.5cm they never pushed to fix it, when stretching the IT Band became too painful they just stopped. I assumed wide leg was part of the process and would resolve itself later and I also assumed my IT band was cut. I later came to find out the IT band was not cut property or at all and I was not stretched to the proper pain points or told I have to suffer pain. I found out about the bad físio when I started the good físio here in Greece. And at around 8cm is when I found out the IT band was not cut and I gave up on more aggressive stretching with físio because I had a date in the future to cut it in Greece. So in the last two months before Greece, especially in the last month I suffered the effects of extreme wide leg and knee extension problems. The knee extension was not obvious since I wasn’t walking much and físio never told me. The knee extension is problem only happens with legs together and my legs were never together to even notice it since I had the wide leg. In the end it’s a series of poor IT band cutting, poor físio communication and subsequent stretching and my fault for not being more vigilant earlier in this process. I have had great improvement in Greece and I thank my body that it is capable of doing the stretching that was needed the whole time now that my it band is cut. The reason it is more painful is it is more extreme since it is now a lot of stretching that is being asked of my hamstrings and it band instead of it being a gradual process.
At the 6cm mark, 3 months after surgery, I also suffered a mild pulmonary embolism after being more stationary for two weeks after a muscle tear after a near fall and was in the hospital. Restating oral anticoagulants again cleared it up and I am
Healed 100% from that incident. I didn’t want to write about it, but here it is. We all know the potential consequences of an embolism to the lungs, I got lucky or G-D, take your choice.
just out of curiosity, not meaning to be rude, how much did you stretch per day? Those issues sound like they come from definitely not stretching enough during lengthening.
For reference, I have neglected hamstring stretches for some time and have had the exact same issue with knee extension on my right leg. Although I am now focusing a lot more on it and it already got much better. I also had extra PT sessions focusing on it and it was indeed very painful so I can confirm that.
about wide legs I had them pretty bad at 3-4cm but then ramped up the stretching even if it hurt a lot and now I am close to 7cm and I have 0 wide legs, my It band flexibility got much better so idk if it’s because I stretched the ITB itself or the TFL, it did work very well for me. My knees touch in resting position and when standing. I also don’t have the inward foot rotation thing anymore. Only the knee flexion on my right leg is still slightly there.
Anyways great to hear you finished your process and are happy with your results.
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Great point. I went to físio daily and then when I got bad he came to my house twice a day. The problem is they never stretched me to elicit pain and never told me that was part of the process. They never had a specific goal in mind like 0 degree knee extension. When wide leg started around 5.5cm they never pushed to fix it, when stretching the IT Band became too painful they just stopped. I assumed wide leg was part of the process and would resolve itself later and I also assumed my IT band was cut. I later came to find out the IT band was not cut property or at all and I was not stretched to the proper pain points or told I have to suffer pain. I found out about the bad físio when I started the good físio here in Greece. And at around 8cm is when I found out the IT band was not cut and I gave up on more aggressive stretching with físio because I had a date in the future to cut it in Greece. So in the last two months before Greece, especially in the last month I suffered the effects of extreme wide leg and knee extension problems. The knee extension was not obvious since I wasn’t walking much and físio never told me. The knee extension is problem only happens with legs together and my legs were never together to even notice it since I had the wide leg. In the end it’s a series of poor IT band cutting, poor físio communication and subsequent stretching and my fault for not being more vigilant earlier in this process. I have had great improvement in Greece and I thank my body that it is capable of doing the stretching that was needed the whole time now that my it band is cut. The reason it is more painful is it is more extreme since it is now a lot of stretching that is being asked of my hamstrings and it band instead of it being a gradual process.
At the 6cm mark, 3 months after surgery, I also suffered a mild pulmonary embolism after being more stationary for two weeks after a muscle tear after a near fall and was in the hospital. Restating oral anticoagulants again cleared it up and I am
Healed 100% from that incident. I didn’t want to write about it, but here it is. We all know the potential consequences of an embolism to the lungs, I got lucky or G-D, take your choice.
Man at least you are recovering now and are happy that is what counts.
Were you with Betz or with Becker (Mooswald or Elkes House)?
Because with Becker and the rehab center I was told a million times how we have to stretch 4h a day and push the tension so it hurts. I must say it really sucks and I hate it but it‘s the really only thing that fixes my gait and loosens me up + removes all pain. If I have a day where I can stretch less I immediately feel like garbage. Anyways you are right it‘s a gradual process. If you fall behind it sucks especially with the it band bc that‘s hardest to stretch. And then your range of motion is limited so the rest is harder to stretch too. I know. But at least now everything is good.
For the pulmonary embolism, was it unrelated to blood thinners or were you the guy who stopped xarelto too early against the doctors will?
It‘s very important to never stop xarelto before the end of lengthening.
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Hey!.. ¿how long did you trip at germany last? I know betz would let you back to your country en 2-3 weeks
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Wanted to give you guys an update. Big improvements after Dr G surgery and intensive physio. Wide leg is gone. Some knee extension issues remain but almost gone. I am left with issues with external rotation of the feet and an issue with my pelvis. My L pelvis is bent caudally on the L causing my R leg to be longer even though they were both measured to be the same again at a recent doctor's appt. Pelvic exercises are helping to get it even. It bands are still tight in general and have more stretching to go and R gluteus muscles are weak.
I stopped using wheelchairs a month ago. Can walk about 20 min with crutches and about 5 min without crutches. Inclines, broken roads, no issues, legs feel strong. Don't use crutches when indoors. Bone consolidation is excellent. Still taking daily calcium/vitamin d/magnesium. Working on my gait and transitioning to walking without crutches and continuing to stretch out the tight it bands and hamstrings. As measured by xray-9.6cm on the L and 10.0cm on the right. L leg was longer by 0.4 to preop. This puts me at 179-180cm (179.5cm?). I haven't measured because I still have the 1.5cm L/R difference due to pelvic tilt.
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I was given 3 months of Xarelto which I took to the last tablet. Betz told me take it for 3 months not until you finish lengthening during the initial consult. Later Becker said until you finish lengthening after the PE. Dr. G along with some other surgeons only do prophylaxis for a month or so. There was no noncompliance on my part. Highest risk for PE is in the beginning when patients are less mobile. My PE happened after a mild muscle tear and I was more bedbound after the 3 month mark. I was told nothing but “keep stretching” at the time. I was at the cusp of the betz/becker transition and I don’t think it was handled very well.
Man at least you are recovering now and are happy that is what counts.
Were you with Betz or with Becker (Mooswald or Elkes House)?
Because with Becker and the rehab center I was told a million times how we have to stretch 4h a day and push the tension so it hurts. I must say it really sucks and I hate it but it‘s the really only thing that fixes my gait and loosens me up + removes all pain. If I have a day where I can stretch less I immediately feel like garbage. Anyways you are right it‘s a gradual process. If you fall behind it sucks especially with the it band bc that‘s hardest to stretch. And then your range of motion is limited so the rest is harder to stretch too. I know. But at least now everything is good.
For the pulmonary embolism, was it unrelated to blood thinners or were you the guy who stopped xarelto too early against the doctors will?
It‘s very important to never stop xarelto before the end of lengthening.
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Hey!.. ¿how long did you trip at germany last? I know betz would let you back to your country en 2-3 weeks
2 weeks and then one week vacation with girl in Munich/Austria.
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Wanted to give you guys an update. Big improvements after Dr G surgery and intensive physio. Wide leg is gone. Some knee extension issues remain but almost gone. I am left with issues with external rotation of the feet and an issue with my pelvis. My L pelvis is bent caudally on the L causing my R leg to be longer even though they were both measured to be the same again at a recent doctor's appt. Pelvis exercises are helping to get it even. It band are still tight in general and have more stretching to go and R gluteus muscles are weak.
I stopped using wheelchairs a month ago. Can walk about 20 min with crutches and about 5 min without crutches. Inclines, broken roads, no issues, legs feel strong. Don't use crutches when indoors. Bone consolidation is excellent. Still taking daily calcium/vitamin d/magnesium. Working on my gait and transitioning to walking without crutches and continuing to stretch out the tight it bands and hamstrings. As measured by xray-9.6cm on the L and 10.0cm on the right. L leg was longer by 0.4 to preop. This puts me at 179-180cm (179.5cm?). I haven't measured because I still have the 1.5cm L/R difference due to pelvis tilt.
Hi leonazul99,
I am so happy to hear you're doing well.
If I understand correctly, your original doctors were Dr. Betz and Dr. Becker, and you had wide legs.
Why did you not fix the IT band at Dr. Betz/Becker? Why did you fly especially to Dr. G for the IT Band release?
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Loss of trust given “soft release” which lasts until 6cm per Becker despite my chart saying I wanted ten, never hearing the name Becker before he walked into the OR with betz, still not sure who did my surgery, was not asked what I preferred, being charged for IT band cutting at initial surgery when others were not, poor communication with betz (ignored me, not one message), unclear history of Becker’s expertise as an orthopedic surgeon outside of recent LL training with Betz, only being offered 10 days (not nearly enough and at 160 euros a day) of físio after the proposed 2nd surgery instead of the 3 months I will have here. Wide legs, tight hamstring with resulting knee flexion, external rotation of feet and tilted pelvis. This is due to poor it band cutting and subsequent inadequately trained physio in Mexico. I read sirstretchalot’s diary where he flew to Dr. G for it band cutting after betz surgery. Don’t regret my decision for a minute.
Hi leonazul99,
I am so happy to hear you're doing well.
If I understand correctly, your original doctors were Dr. Betz and Dr. Becker, and you had wide legs.
Why did you not fix the IT band at Dr. Betz/Becker? Why did you fly especially to Dr. G for the IT Band release?
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Loss of trust given “soft release” which lasts until 6cm per Becker despite my chart saying I wanted ten, never hearing the name Becker before he walked into the OR with betz, still not sure who did my surgery, was not asked what I preferred, being charged for IT band cutting at initial surgery when others were not, poor communication with betz (ignored me, not one message), unclear history of Becker’s expertise as an orthopedic surgeon outside of recent LL training with Betz, only being offered 10 days (not nearly enough and at 160 euros a day) of físio after the proposed 2nd surgery instead of the 3 months I will have here. Wide legs, tight hamstring with resulting knee flexion, external rotation of feet and tilted pelvis. This is due to poor it band cutting and subsequent inadequately trained physio in Mexico. I read sirstretchalot’s diary where he flew to Dr. G for it band cutting after betz surgery. Don’t regret my decision for a minute.
I appreciate your informative response, leonazul99.
If I could get you back on time, would you still do the LL surgery at Betz/Becker or would you do the surgery with Dr. G the first time?
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I would do Betz because of the possibility for 10cm if I had a guarantee it was actually Betz the whole time as I thought that’s what I was paying for. And I would have stayed for a longer time in Germany doing físio. Outside of the increased length of the betznail, I would choose Dr. G.
I still believe betz is a good surgeon and I got left behind in their transition. I don’t have enough info to comment on anything concerning Becker.
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I was given 3 months of Xarelto which I took to the last tablet. Betz told me take it for 3 months not until you finish lengthening during the initial consult. Later Becker said until you finish lengthening after the PE. Dr. G along with some other surgeons only do prophylaxis for a month or so. There was no noncompliance on my part. Highest risk for PE is in the beginning when patients are less mobile. My PE happened after a mild muscle tear and I was more bedbound after the 3 month mark. I was told nothing but “keep stretching” at the time. I was at the cusp of the betz/becker transition and I don’t think it was handled very well.
Do you think that the PE was due to the muscle tear or the lenghtening?
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I would do Betz because of the possibility for 10cm if I had a guarantee it was actually Betz the whole time as I thought that’s what I was paying for. And I would have stayed for a longer time in Germany doing físio. Outside of the increased length of the betznail, I would choose Dr. G.
I still believe betz is a good surgeon and I got left behind in their transition. I don’t have enough info to comment on anything concerning Becker.
Dr. G. offers the G-Nail, a weight-bearing nail with the same 10 cm length possibility as the G-Nail.
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Do you think that the PE was due to the muscle tear or the lenghtening?
Being in bed and not moving much (físio came to house) secondary to the tear.
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Maybe doing unilateral lengthening is not a bad idea after all. There have been quite a few cases of PE reported on the forum and doctors seem to have varying protocols to prevent it.
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In fact my Mexican inpatient doctor wanted me to stop clicking and didn’t want to hear anything about my surgery. Becker said I could keep going. Betz ignored me. If I stopped clicking it would have meant preconsolidation and end of lengthening at 6cm. Told hospital I am going to leave against medical advice. Was not even hooked up to IV on day 2 and just getting oral anticoagulants. Oxygen saturation improved to 95% without supplemental oxygen and vitals were stable. Mexican doctor said I risk dying if try to click. I went home and clicked after reading more on the medical science of DVTs and subsequent PEs and given my condition. The fear was palpable though.
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In fact my Mexican inpatient doctor wanted me to stop clicking and didn’t want to hear anything about my surgery.
Why? Doesn't he trust german doctors? Or was he just envy?
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Why? Doesn't he trust german doctors? Or was he just envy?
Lots of reasons: ignorance, arrogance, fear of lawsuit or bad outcome,etc.
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Why? Doesn't he trust german doctors? Or was he just envy?
I can confirm that local doctors can be really really arrogant about it. In that case I would advice to not listen to them, listen to your surgeon that did LL on you.
Maybe doing unilateral lengthening is not a bad idea after all. There have been quite a few cases of PE reported on the forum and doctors seem to have varying protocols to prevent it.
Instead of choosing unilateral that won’t even reduce the risk of PE from DVT, it is more important to never skip bloodthinners. Never, not a single day. It’s the only real dangerous risk of death if you are many weeks post OP.
There are 2 types of PE.
1) fat emboli. This indeed has a lower risk if you do unilateral. But fat emboli syndrome happens right after surgery. Not weeks later.
2) thrombosis (DVT). This happens due to immobility and a blood clot forming in your leg veins. This is what leonazul experienced. If you are mobile (bike, walk) etc you have a much less risk. But it’s not enough to do only that. You need oral blood thinners until you are almost normally mobile again (most likely a few weeks post lengthening). With xarelto 10mg daily you will most definitely not experience it. Paley, Becker and many others follow this obvious protocol. It’s the most important medication bc skipping it could lead to death even weeks/months post OP.
With unilateral you are also barely more mobile than with weightbearing and if you skip the blood thinners you have the same risk. Just saying.
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Instead of choosing unilateral that won’t even reduce the risk of PE from DVT, it is more important to never skip bloodthinners. Never, not a single day. It’s the only real dangerous risk of death if you are many weeks post OP.
There are 2 types of PE.
1) fat emboli. This indeed has a lower risk if you do unilateral. But fat emboli syndrome happens right after surgery. Not weeks later.
2) thrombosis (DVT). This happens due to immobility and a blood clot forming in your leg veins. This is what leonazul experienced. If you are mobile (bike, walk) etc you have a much less risk. But it’s not enough to do only that. You need oral blood thinners until you are almost normally mobile again (most likely a few weeks post lengthening). With xarelto 10mg daily you will most definitely not experience it. Paley, Becker and many others follow this obvious protocol. It’s the most important medication bc skipping it could lead to death even weeks/months post OP.
With unilateral you are also barely more mobile than with weightbearing and if you skip the blood thinners you have the same risk. Just saying.
I think you are overstating the importance of blood thinners because many other world renowned doctors don't prescribe it for beyond 2-3 weeks after surgery. Guichet, Giotikas, Assayag, Gdalevitch off the top of my head. Some of them are Precice docs and even then don't give blood thinners for months after surgery.
I wish we could know if ratcheting nails make the problem worse. But we'll never know unless these doctors publish data. Has Betz published a paper after his decades of experience documenting all the complications his patients faced? I don't think anything like that exists for GNail also. I personally know of 3 cases of PE so far in people who used ratcheting nails.
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I think you are overstating the importance of blood thinners because many other world renowned doctors don't prescribe it for beyond 2-3 weeks after surgery. Guichet, Giotikas, Assayag, Gdalevitch off the top of my head. Some of them are Precice docs and even then don't give blood thinners for months after surgery.
I wish we could know if ratcheting nails make the problem worse. But we'll never know unless these doctors publish data. Has Betz published a paper after his decades of experience documenting all the complications his patients faced? I don't think anything like that exists for GNail also. I personally know of 3 cases of PE so far in people who used ratcheting nails.
Can‘t speak for any Doctor but a Giotikas patient I was texting with had it for almost the end of lengthening. I am not overstating it. If you don‘t want PE, you take it. It has very little side effect profile so no reason to quit it early in my opinion. Seems like some people just like to be in trouble.
Tell me one logical reason that albizza nails could increase PE risk? There is like no connection. Research how it develops first please. I already told the PE we talk about is a dislodged Deep Vein Thrombosis, the risk for that is a general risk in (orthopedic) surgeries. It‘s not LL specific. In medicine there is the three F for risk factors. Female, fat, fourty. So females who are obese and 40+ years old.
Ok so how does it develop. Because of bedrest and immobility your veinous blood isn‘t pulled back to your heart as it‘s supposed to. So blood clots can form because it‘s standing still more than it should. A swollen heated painful leg on one side is a symptom of DVT. If it dislodged it will travel to the lungs which is then called PE. what blood thinners do is increasing the antithrombolytic effect. So your blood doesn‘t clot that well. That‘s also why you bleed longer and more with them.
So knowing that. I am curious why albizzia nails should have any difference with that?
And yea Betz had lots of German Papers over the years. He showed me back then.
Your claims are kinda pulled out of nowhere with little causality, but please feel free to prove me wrong.
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Can‘t speak for any Doctor but a Giotikas patient I was texting with had it for almost the end of lengthening. I am not overstating it. If you don‘t want PE, you take it. It has very little side effect profile so no reason to quit it early in my opinion. Seems like some people just like to be in trouble.
Tell me one logical reason that albizza nails could increase PE risk? There is like no connection. Research how it develops first please. I already told the PE we talk about is a dislodged Deep Vein Thrombosis, the risk for that is a general risk in (orthopedic) surgeries. It‘s not LL specific. In medicine there is the three F for risk factors. Female, fat, fourty. So females who are obese and 40+ years old.
Ok so how does it develop. Because of bedrest and immobility your veinous blood isn‘t pulled back to your heart as it‘s supposed to. So blood clots can form because it‘s standing still more than it should. A swollen heated painful leg on one side is a symptom of DVT. If it dislodged it will travel to the lungs which is then called PE. what blood thinners do is increasing the antithrombolytic effect. So your blood doesn‘t clot that well. That‘s also why you bleed longer and more with them.
So knowing that. I am curious why albizzia nails should have any difference with that?
And yea Betz had lots of German Papers over the years. He showed me back then.
Your claims are kinda pulled out of nowhere with little causality, but please feel free to prove me wrong.
I know of a patient who was using clicking nails and was asked to speed up his lengthening and do a lot of clicks on one day because he was lagging behind. He was told to take xarelto on that day in particular and not on other days. My understanding is trauma and rest causes blood clots to get formed and clicking is more traumatic than using magnetic nails. This + how many docs don't prescribe xarelto for the full duration of lengthening made me think it could be slightly related to clicking. I have no scientific evidence. Can you give any links to Betz German papers where he has mentioned complication rates? I think that would elucidate this for us.
Btw when Stryde was around, even Paley used to give just aspirin to his patients. With precice it is xarelto. This info is in his official guide doc. It says "Since you have the S nail and are allowed full weight bearing as tolerated we only use 81mg aspirin twice a day for prophylaxis."
https://paleyinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/StatureLengtheningGuide-Website.pdf
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I know of a patient who was using clicking nails and was asked to speed up his lengthening and do a lot of clicks on one day because he was lagging behind. He was told to take xarelto on that day in particular and not on other days. My understanding is trauma and rest causes blood clots to get formed and clicking is more traumatic than using magnetic nails. This + how many docs don't prescribe xarelto for the full duration of lengthening made me think it could be slightly related to clicking. I have no scientific evidence. Can you give any links to Betz German papers where he has mentioned complication rates? I think that would elucidate this for us.
Btw when Stryde was around, even Paley used to give just aspirin to his patients. With precice it is xarelto. This info is in his official guide doc. It says "Since you have the S nail and are allowed full weight bearing as tolerated we only use 81mg aspirin twice a day for prophylaxis."
https://paleyinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/StatureLengtheningGuide-Website.pdf
The trauma argument I do kind of understand but I don‘t think it‘s that much of a difference tbh. Else people who use mechanical nails would have a significantly increased risk but nobody I ever knew had that complication unless they actively stopped using bloodthinners against the doctors orders (that goes for both mechanical and magnetical nails). I mean you could do a study yourself perhaps that hasn‘t been done before: See the incidence of DVT in mechanical vs magnetic nails. But I think that‘d be hard because a) you couldn‘t make a control group where you don‘t give patients bloodthinners b) too much bias and confounders in noncompliance (see how many people don‘t follow doctor‘s orders. Also very hard to get everything out of the equation, like different activity levels of patients etc)
it‘s not like magnetic nails don‘t lengthen. And lengthening is always trauma, either way.
Yes, so it‘s been 2 years since I had the initial consult with him. I remember he sent me some publications back then. I just did a quick search and found he has 94 publications tracked on researchgate. Some of which are english, some german. Tbf, I don‘t have the time on Christmas today to go through all of them.
I think if you are really curious you can just check it out yourself, here you go:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Augustin-Betz
Yea so? I said that weightbearing and being mobile reduces the risk, but they still give you aspirin as a bloodthinning med. just proves my point that even with weightbearing you still need some form of bloodthinners
But man why are we even arguing about that? I got like literally 0 side effects from blood thinners. I could take them forever. So no reason to not take them, why does this have to be such a debate? If you don‘t want or can‘t take bloodthinners for whatever reason than don‘t do the surgery. It‘s that simple.
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The trauma argument I do kind of understand but I don‘t think it‘s that much of a difference tbh. Else people who use mechanical nails would have a significantly increased risk but nobody I ever knew had that complication unless they actively stopped using bloodthinners against the doctors orders (that goes for both mechanical and magnetical nails). I mean you could do a study yourself perhaps that hasn‘t been done before: See the incidence of DVT in mechanical vs magnetic nails. But I think that‘d be hard because a) you couldn‘t make a control group where you don‘t give patients bloodthinners b) too much bias and confounders in noncompliance (see how many people don‘t follow doctor‘s orders. Also very hard to get everything out of the equation, like different activity levels of patients etc)
it‘s not like magnetic nails don‘t lengthen. And lengthening is always trauma, either way.
Yes, so it‘s been 2 years since I had the initial consult with him. I remember he sent me some publications back then. I just did a quick search and found he has 94 publications tracked on researchgate. Some of which are english, some german. Tbf, I don‘t have the time on Christmas today to go through all of them.
I think if you are really curious you can just check it out yourself, here you go:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Augustin-Betz
Yea so? I said that weightbearing and being mobile reduces the risk, but they still give you aspirin as a bloodthinning med. just proves my point that even with weightbearing you still need some form of bloodthinners
But man why are we even arguing about that? I got like literally 0 side effects from blood thinners. I could take them forever. So no reason to not take them, why does this have to be such a debate? If you don‘t want or can‘t take bloodthinners for whatever reason than don‘t do the surgery. It‘s that simple.
I didn't say people shouldn't take blood thinners (I think people should listen to their doctors, period). This whole debate is around whether clicking nails can cause PE. I was proposing the idea that clicking may have had a role to play in PE while downplaying the link between extended (3-4 months) use of blood thinners and PE and your stance was the opposite. We need data to be sure.
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Went to Istanbul and walking around well without crutches. Can go about 10 min without crutches and 25 min with. PM if you want a video. No pain outside of fisio stretching but still on tramadol.
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How much did you lengthen? How much time did it take?
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Went through 3 airports while pushing luggage with no help including waiting in lines; though, the crutches typically get you moved to wheelchair line. Going to the gym regularly now. I am able to walk faster and more confidently without crutches including stairs. Can treadmill walk with and without the rails for 30 minutes at the gym at a speed of 4.0. I take short walks outside but here (I'm in the Phillipines now) there's lots of people during the day and I'm scared of someone knocking into me so I keep the crutches. Have been keeping up with stretches here but have to find a fisio here locally. Working on R sided Tredelenburg because of R sided gluteus weakness. Consolidation is excellent and nail and screws have not moved or bent etc since surgery. Pain is 0 in the legs most of the time with occasional soreness/tightness when waking up. Go to Dr. G guys.
See video
https://youtube.com/shorts/0LjpSEtMTzE?feature=share (https://youtube.com/shorts/0LjpSEtMTzE?feature=share)
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When I met Dr. G, I was told to stop clicking, so I am satisfied with 9.8cm gain on femurs
As measured by xray-9.6cm on the L
you stopped at 9.8cm but it measures 9.6cm
where did the 0.2cms go ?
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3 week update with walking without crutches. Gait significantly better and tredelenburg almost gone. The effort required to walk is lessened and walking further distances is less intimidating. Steps are easier with no rails. Flexibility continues to improve daily. Continuing with intense therapy in Manila. Físio is excellent and much more personalized than Greece. Pelvis is now 95% even and back in place. Lower back pain gone. Started tapering off anticoagulants this week. Only pills now are occasional tramadol for upper back pain and I continue daily supplements of vitamin d/calcium/mag. Also started protein shakes given I’m back in the gym.
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Filtered for ages 18-24 = )
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I thought 9+cm would be a lot but you look good and well proportioned. Congrats on the recovery.
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Hey guys, had the IT band release and can touch knees together with knees flexed. Made me realize when I met the doc that I had a significant problem with hamstring tightness and knee extension. It is very painful to extend the knees to 0 degrees when legs are close together. I have been working on it in physio for the past two weeks and have seen big gains; though, they are costly in terms of excruciating pain. The team with Dr. G is caring and organized well. Fisio team is superb. Hoping to get walking really well with crutches soon. I have an issue with my pelvis as well where one side is higher than another that I think can we worked out in fisio. When I met Dr. G, I was told to stop clicking, so I am satisfied with 9.8cm gain on femurs to put myself at 179.5. I can stand straight now with legs much closer together and can feel the height, it's awesome.
Another phenomenal diary.
DO you think having Dr G give you a full/proper ITB release before hand would have made a difference to your journey?
Stretching and suffering wide legs/duck ass VS getting a proper ITB release , almost instant results.
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Could you re-share the photos? I have missed it. Congrats on a great recovery!
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If you have recent imaging data please put it at this thread. Redact any information that could be used to dox you.
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Now you know betz and Dr G.. if you have to do it again which doctor would you go with the experience you have now?
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I wonder what happened to our CHADmaxxed slayer of 24 year old latina "babes"
how's it hangin there leo nazul can you post some more tinder screenshots for us
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Hey guys, I have my removal scheduled in the next couple of months. Walking without issues, no pain etc. I stand at 179.3. The removal has to be with Becker since Giotikas said they use proprietary screws like Apple lol. Becker confirmed excellent consolidation on my most recent X-rays. Forgot some items in my pocket during the X-ray ;D
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Do you have recent pictures of you standing so I can see proportions?
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I am happy to field questions but will not be sharing anything but X-rays and trip pictures due to the potential trolling on this forum.
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Man you made it, CONGRATS!
Just want to let you know that your diary has been unfluental on my decision, I probably will go to Dr. G
May I ask how was s€x with your GF during the time of lengthening? I heard you can only have s€x in specific positions. May you can share some experience reports. I personally have a lot of sxx thus why this question is important to me.
And which Steroids you used for injections?
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2 questions my friend
1) giotikas or betz?
2) does hight dysphoria really dissappear once you have done?