Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Height & Proportions => Topic started by: ItsMyLife on January 31, 2015, 08:21:08 AM
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My hypothesis, If you want to be considered as "very tall", this is the sweet spot:
I think in Asian country the sweet-spot is 180-183, because in Singapore and South Korea you would be the top 5-15 percent with those figures. 178 cm is pretty common nowadays in Asian countries, I don't know why, but that would be considered above average, that's all.
In a non-Asian country like America, add 4 cm because the average is 4 cm greater (cf, Singapore;s average height is officially 172 but I really doubt it, just as people doubt the average of America as 176). So the sweet spot is probably 184-187.
In Scandinavia, add another 4 cm, and 188-191 cm is pretty much the sweet spot to stand out as "very tall"
IMO, in Asia, if you are 180-183, and in America if you are 184-187 (or slightly below even), I do not think that girls will feel "short changed" if you take off your lifts.
Lets say you are 188cm with lift, and you take off your lifts, you are 185cm, you are still pretty tall. In fact, most girls would not even notice it as you are still towering over them. I doubt a girl would feel short-changed, even if she is 170-175 tall.
IMO, I would not date a girl who is above 175-178. (But it all depends)
IMHO, we doubt the official average figures, because
1) we do not see the short guys or do not notice them
2) we tend to be insecure about our height and each tall person that comes along, we attribute more weight to it and reinforce our self-prophecy.
3) try eye-balling the height of about 100 people or even on dating sites, chances are, in Singapore, the figures as I said above is pretty accurate (when I was 180 cm with shoes, which is 178 without shoes, I was the top 10-15 percent in a shpping mall). dating sites, you take an average using excel, the average is exactly the same as official average. Subtract 1-3 cm off for self-inflation, and it is actually lower than national average(probably because shorter people have to use the apps?)
In essence, our perception about height is skewed and biased. The official figures are accurate.
I also say the above is the sweet-spot because you can always quote your morning height, or as what celebrities do, add 1-2 inches.
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That's just bullicrap, the average height for a white American male is 179 cm for men aged between 20 and 40 years so almost 180 cm for young man in his twenties
the average heighT for young Norwegian and young Danes is 180-180.5 cm
overall the average height for white caucasian male is around 180 cm, which means you need to be altleast 187 cm to be Tall
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That's just bullicrap, the average height for a white American male is 179 cm for men aged between 20 and 40 years so almost 180 cm for young man in his twenties
the average heighT for young Norwegian and young Danes is 180-180.5 cm
overall the average height for white caucasian male is around 180 cm, which means you need to be altleast 187 cm to be Tall
This is crap.
With eyeballing I can say the average in Singapore is roughly 175-178 but that does NOT correspond with official statistics.
Show me the evidence that the average in America is not 176. Cause that is what I got from Paley's website as well as Wikipedia if I last recall correctly and there was an attributed source.
You FORGOT that short guys pull down averages.
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This is crap.
With eyeballing I can say the average in Singapore is roughly 175-178 but that does NOT correspond with official statistics.
Show me the evidence that the average in America is not 176. Cause that is what I got from Paley's website as well as Wikipedia if I last recall correctly and there was an attributed source.
You FORGOT that short guys pull down averages.
i was talking about WHITE young men who average 179-180 cm in the us.
Regardless ethnicity and age, 176 cm is average in the us
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i was talking about WHITE young men who average 179-180 cm in the us.
Regardless ethnicity and age, 176 cm is average in the us
DO you have statistics?
I would think the figure for WHITE young men and men in America, is the same. Why? Hispanics, who are taller, would balance out any short Asians.
I don't think white young men would be at 179-180, is there a source?? I would say, more probably 177-178.
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DO you have statistics?
I would think the figure for WHITE young men and men in America, is the same. Why? Hispanics, who are taller, would balance out any short Asians.
I don't think white young men would be at 179-180, is there a source?? I would say, more probably 177-178.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr010.pdf#page=15 whit use men between 20 and 39 years old
http://www.ssb.no/a/english/yearbook/tab/tab-108.html norwegian young males
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http://www.dst.dk/pukora/epub/upload/17959/pop.pdf#page=34
young danish males
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wow, thanks!
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http://www.dst.dk/pukora/epub/upload/17959/pop.pdf#page=34
young danish males
its good to see from all your data that the average height of youngsters seem to peak at 179-180.
so the younger generation will NOT be that much taller..
so 181-183 is pretty much a good height, though slightly above average.
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That's just bullicrap, the average height for a white American male is 179 cm for men aged between 20 and 40 years so almost 180 cm for young man in his twenties
the average heighT for young Norwegian and young Danes is 180-180.5 cm
overall the average height for white caucasian male is around 180 cm, which means you need to be altleast 187 cm to be Tall
Yes he's right would guess 180CM to be average in north america. In scandinavia it is also average but would feel pretty short I suspect.
Personally I want to be at least 186-7CM but ideally I'd like to get another 2CM on top of that. Do think proportions are important though so we'll see where end up, might have to settle for less.
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its good to see from all your data that the average height of youngsters seem to peak at 179-180.
so the younger generation will NOT be that much taller..
so 181-183 is pretty much a good height, though slightly above average.
Average height for youngsters peaked at 182-184 in the netherlands so there is no assumption to be made from the american average. I don't think the average will naturally get much taller than 183CM anywhere but remember that when the average is that tall it will be common to see guys taller than 190CM.
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Yes itsmylife it's good to see the average height has reached a peak, now we know our height will never fall below average
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That's just bullicrap, the average height for a white American male is 179 cm for men aged between 20 and 40 years so almost 180 cm for young man in his twenties
the average heighT for young Norwegian and young Danes is 180-180.5 cm
overall the average height for white caucasian male is around 180 cm, which means you need to be altleast 187 cm to be Tall
In America, the average young white male height is between 176-177 cm. 181-182 cm is an entire standard deviation above that average, and 186-187 cm is about two standard deviations.
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Yes he's right would guess 180CM to be average in north america. In scandinavia it is also average but would feel pretty short I suspect.
Personally I want to be at least 186-7CM but ideally I'd like to get another 2CM on top of that. Do think proportions are important though so we'll see where end up, might have to settle for less.
180 cm is definitely not the average for young males. Pretty much every study on young adult Caucasian males place the average at around 176-177 cm.
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180 cm is definitely not the average for young males. Pretty much every study on young adult Caucasian males place the average at around 176-177 cm.
I usually think of "average" as anything within 4CM of the exact average, so 177-185 in sweden and I guess 174-182 in the US.
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I would also aim for at least 185, but rather 186-188, since 180 does seems rather small to me. I live in Vienna and with my height of 179/178 I´m often among the shortest guys at parties. I had 5 other males in my class and all of them were 185+ and two were above 200.
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I would also aim for at least 185, but rather 186-188, since 180 does seems rather small to me. I live in Vienna and with my height of 179/178 I´m often among the shortest guys at parties. I had 5 other males in my class and all of them were 185+ and two were above 200.
We're in the same boat you and me, 186-188 is good but I wouldn't go over 189CM because I care a lot about proportions. Would rather be 186CM and proportionate than 190CM and more or less weird looking.
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I think the 'sweet-spot' would be that height at which you stop caring about it and feel good. You don't necessary have to be 'tall' for it, keep that in mind.
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I think the 'sweet-spot' would be that height at which you stop caring about it and feel good. You don't necessary have to be 'tall' for it, keep that in mind.
That's right, I used to almost have a "tall or nothing" mindset but now I know I'll be satisfied with any height that is respectable for a grown adult. Aiming for 186-188 like our austrian friend suggested.
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I think the 'sweet-spot' would be that height at which you stop caring about it and feel good. You don't necessary have to be 'tall' for it, keep that in mind.
Being born to be an average height is how normal people don't care, since we have been treated like losers it will be hard not to feel superior once we reach our goals( specially those guys who are 5'8" they can easily become taller than average and feel superior than others). When I reach my sweet-spot I will feel fantastic every single day unless some Russian starts selling cheaper ways to grow and suddenly everyone is above 6 ft then I will go mad.
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Being born to be an average height is how normal people don't care, since we have been treated like losers it will be hard not to feel superior once we reach our goals( specially those guys who are 5'8" they can easily become taller than average and feel superior than others). When I reach my sweet-spot I will feel fantastic every single day unless some Russian starts selling cheaper ways to grow and suddenly everyone is above 6 ft then I will go mad.
Unless you reach 195 cm , no one will feel superior, since nobody will be that tall, there will always be peoplt who will be taller and much taller.
I don't even think that someone will be 188 cm here.
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Unless you reach 195 cm , no one will feel superior, since nobody will be that tall, there will always be peoplt who will be taller and much taller.
I don't even think that someone will be 188 cm here.
It's not about being the tallest person everywhere everytime, in essence I want to have a height that is always respectable no matter what. I am for example thinking of going into the financial business world where many successful tall people work and I want to be tall enough to be on equal terms with most people there -or at least not short. I would also like to visit the netherlands one day without feeling like a shrimp, basically I want to always be confident that I am tall enough, other than that I don't care if someone else is taller as long as I am happy with what I've got.
I hope 186CM will be enough for me. I am worried about how I'll look though.
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I hope 186CM will be enough for me. I am worried about how I'll look though.
It will be enough if you also wear lifts ( I know I sound like a broken record when talking about lifts but think about it )
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yup as i said 183 is pretty respectable and wear some lifts to 186 cm.
even when u take off those lifts ur still (at best) slightly above average
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I think u people need psychological advice. Srry but dont get on me coz u people r literally talking crap. Ofcourse if ur 5 feet n wanna play american football u shud be realistic but even if ur blaming of not having respect r dignity r a girlfriend who is tall because of u then let me tell u, u guys r wrong coz my frn is 5'2 n his gf is 5'11 n shes hotter than my gf, n let me tell u even my gf is taller than me!!! 175cm she is but she keeps tellin me how im hotter than many other guys. Its sad how ur blaming ur failure on height n also u ppl who r so much talented just dont go for a task(important life task) coz ur short, But the thing u ppl not being able to achieve something in life is not because of ur height but becoz of the consiousness of ur height coz no ones stooping u from anythingcoz of ur height!!! So in my mind dont go for it if u have this minset of not getting girls r achieving something in ur life. I personally wanna become 180 cm coz dats because i wanna be better than before n for myself not for anyone else n even without leglengening i think ill be achievingin life wat i cud achieve with these few extra inches. Now some people here say dat 5'11 r anyother iz the perfect height with which u can achieve anything in life. Im srry but i feel bad for these people. N also thr r so many hot guys at 5'5,5'6,5'7,5'8 like justin bieber, nick jonas, jason statham n those one direction lads (except harry styles n liam payne coz they r tall) at whom grls go crazy, so my personal advice is if u wanna do this surgery do for urself not for the society who respects even some some crazy people out there!!!n also if ur speakin about power russia's vladmir putin at 5'7 is the most powerful person ri8 now, though many people think its obama)
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Gtfo kid
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The kid is right though. Height is not really important, I know now because I did LL. The most important thing is how you feel about yourself. If you are above 170cm you will be fine pretty much anywhere in the world, even in Northern Europe (I'm from there, so don't tell me your bullcrap lies). Most of the guys on these forums are losers (just look at some pics posted from guys who want some advice on their proportions, height is not their main problem).
Even though it's nice to be a little bit taller it's not really worth it, you lose a whole year, I don't really think you know what that means. It's understandable if a really short guy (>165cm) wants to do that because that's really rough, but still not that important if you feel good about yourself. 99% of women who are above your height, even if it's 6'2, will have a relationship with you if you are really worth it, they don't care about height and those who do are a waste of time and really really rare. Of course you will hear "oh you're too short" but most of the time it's an excuse because they are not into you.
But I guess I'm talking to a wall here, but still it won't help you if you are around average height, it's just a waste of time, trust me on that one.
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Bro! Im srry if i hurt u.. I know i din put my words constructively, but i laugh wen people start carin about proportions more than height wen height's the topic we r here for. Like for example before u recognized u were short ie mostly in ur teens have u considered if a guy's arms r short r tall or if the guy himself was short or tall. N im really srry if i hurt anyone coz im not dat in real life. But i can assure u one thing more than half the people here lurkin r just gonna keep dreaming about leg lengthening rather than having it done for real i can bet on dat!
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Would you stop writing in sms language please, it's a mess to read you ...
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Would you stop writing in sms language please, it's a mess to read you ...
I second "dat" opinion.
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Hurts to see people arguing on how its written rather than wat is written. Then again i start to think y the heck am i even tryin to explain when there is no need to!
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Hurts to see people arguing on how its written rather than wat is written. Then again i start to think y the heck am i even tryin to explain when there is no need to!
its visually disturbing
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LMAO!
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Hurts to see people arguing on how its written rather than wat is written. Then again i start to think y the heck am i even tryin to explain when there is no need to!
Although I agree with some of the things you are saying, you don't write like an educated man. If you don't care enough to write properly then it is difficult to respect you. I understand if someone is foreign and doesn't speak English well. That's ok. But you sound like a lazy, know-it-all kid.
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This is an international forum. For people who don't speak English as their first language, it is hard to understand SMS since it's worse than ghetto slang, just in written form.
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Ok my bad sorry! Will not repeat it. But still LMAO!
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We, the people who are around 180 cm, are the most pessimistic, that I can see. For a start I feel like we are depressing the guys under 170cm talking about how we want so bad to be close to "super tall" and hate to be average height, sometimes I guess we are the most frustrated ones. Think about this, third place will always be happier than second place. We were so close to become above average and we didnt but the other guys would be so happy to some day attain average height. CLL is suppoused to make us happier not getting us TALL. We should stop taking our frustration on the people under 170cm.
I personally want to be 188cm since thats my wingspan and will only need add 8cm and I guess thats nowadays most of you guys situation. Now start worrying about how you gonna do it, pre-op nutrition, stretching exercices and saving money and stop keep on frustrating yourselves.
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We, the people who are around 180 cm, are the most pessimistic
You're the only one feeling 'pessimistic' because of already over-average height (USA). But you're also from Chile, where the average height is 170 cm. So you're 10 cms taller than average, that means you're in the 95th percentile already. I've seen a case like this before, with a girl that lengthened from 5'6" to 5'8" and after still claimed that she's short. Now she's set on another surgery to bring her to 6'. Lol. All while she's doing it with externals, ignoring that: she's ugly, she will have very ugly scars, she'll screw her proportions and function. But who cares, right? She's 6', so that's going to solve everything! Riiiight? fk off. You're fighting not the cause, but the effect. You'll get to 6'2, but still being blind, deaf and ignorant, that won't make you much more happier.
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I want to do this because my 14 yo little brother is already 186, my sister 175cm and all my cousins are taller than me. Also my father is 185, see now that "my average" is another. There's a lot of reasons why ppl do CLL.
Btw mad bro?
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I want to do this because my 14 yo little brother is already 186, my sister 175cm and all my cousins are taller than me. Also my father is 185, see now that "my average" is another. There's a lot of reasons why ppl do CLL.
Btw mad bro?
He's just saying not to get carried away. Don't take it defensively; I can understand what he's saying--someone who's, say, 6'3 in the USA willing to break their bones and go through months of rehabilitation to grow taller is likely to have mental problems.
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I want to do this because my 14 yo little brother is already 186, my sister 175cm and all my cousins are taller than me. Also my father is 185, see now that "my average" is another. There's a lot of reasons why ppl do CLL.
Btw mad bro?
I think 8CM in one segment could be a bit of a stretch, mostly worried about the biomechanics at this point.
What's wrong with 186CM? It's a decent height and should be a much safer goal.
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I think 8CM in one segment could be a bit of a stretch, mostly worried about the biomechanics at this point.
What's wrong with 186CM? It's a decent height and should be a much safer goal.
I'm aiming for two surgerys (4/4) but maybe I'll stop at 4cm en tibia, I'll see
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Are you sure you aren't just saying that because that's your own goal? Seems pretty suspicious to me that you're also lengthening to this exact height. And it's doubly suspicious that you claim 183cm+ is too tall for your country, I highly doubt that and it just sounds like a case of the fox and the grapes. (http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs40/i/2009/037/5/d/__The_Fox_and_The_Grapes___by_megawolf77.png)
The sweet spot is whatever you make it, and for very short guys whatever height can normalize them is the sweet spot.
Using your own reasoning though, it's most logical to conclude that 188-191 cm is the 'sweet spot' because as you said in another thread you are looking for a global height. This height would make you tall in some short regions and nondescript in tall regions.
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188 would not fit into my country. In fact I asked some friends who don't know I am lengthening. They said 183 is probably too tall. So 182+ would fit well into my country and still be above average in the Scandinavia.
I am not sure what is the "too tall" height in America and elsewhere, but I don't do a global occupation. Yes I travel, but 182 is more than enough to make me feel adequate (I travel mostly to Asia, as well, rarely do I go to Europe/America)
I chose 182.5 because of my reasoning. I can go further with femur lengthening but I do not want to be seen as "too tall" by girls. Yes. a few of them (who don't know my surgery) have said 183 is abit too tall for a date.
Finally, 180+ is essentially the celebrity height. Justin Bieber is only 175,same with Nick Jonas and M jackson. There are a few 173 celebrities (Zac Efron, Usher), but most of them popular ones are 180+ (1.8 - harry styles, 183 - jimmy fallon, 1.8 - JC chasez, ). Ricky Martin for example.. List a few more, I cant remember off my hand but in America, about 185 seems the upper limit for white celebrities(eg, Enrique Iglesias, who sang with Whitney, Justin Timberlake). The same for Asian celebrities - Jae joong (1.8), Yunho (1.84), Jiro Wang (1.82), Arron Yan(1.77), Wu Zun (1.81), kim hyun joong (1.82), kim su hyun (1.80),etc.
1.83 is also the MAXIMUM female height in Hollywood. Sigourney Weaver (1.83), Brooke Shields(1.83), and Glee's Jane Lynch (1.83). Uma Thurman (1.81) and Nicole Kidman (1.80), Taylor swift (1.78): http://www.npr.org/2012/12/07/166400760/hollywood-heights-the-ups-downs-and-in-betweens
note: celebrities tend to be taller, so the fact that the upper limit for celebrities is 1.83 , is telling!
Soooo I came to conclusion best height is 182.
(Btw: this is hilarious, haha http://lowerrider.deviantart.com/art/Uma-Thurman-and-Cissy-Wang-373458158 )
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*justin bieber is 175cm* lmao!!!!!!!!!
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I think Itsmylife is right about the height though. Just add 4-5 cm´s to 183 and you´ll get the perfect height for countries like the us or europe. The average height in scandinavian countries is only 1cm above the average height for young white males in the states (180-179), so it shouldn´t even matter much in the northern countries.
A sweet spot is rather a personal opinion than something you can generalize, like everything when it comes to aesthetics and beauty, so this whole discussion won´t lead to a consensus.
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188>190>185
goal height:187