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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Height & Proportions => Topic started by: KrP1 on October 09, 2014, 02:33:55 PM

Title: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: KrP1 on October 09, 2014, 02:33:55 PM
For those who have done their femurs for +7cm. How does your femurs proportion look? Can you post a photo without face? Is your walking normal with  that extra cm in your femurs? How about recovery? Thanks
Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: programdude on October 09, 2014, 02:38:27 PM
Not gonna post pics and can't comment on recovery, but as for proportions it improved my proportions due to wingspan.

I have seen a few people who have done around 7 and also look very proportionate.
Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: KrP1 on October 09, 2014, 03:06:37 PM
Does the proportion  between tibia and femurs look weird or is ok?
Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: programdude on October 09, 2014, 03:10:56 PM
I think it looks perfect, and with shorts on even a proportion nazi wouldn't notice anything.
Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: Polycrates. on October 10, 2014, 10:16:36 PM
programdude,

Are there any tibia patients there currently, and what do you think of their proportions? Do you think femurs are more easy to appear proportionate?
Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: programdude on October 10, 2014, 10:26:42 PM
Yes, femurs are a lot better in my opinion. First being that they are supposed to be long, and many people naturally have long ones. Also, long tibia(8 cm lengthened or so) will be obvious except in pants, femurs are obscured by shorts mostly.

I've met several tibia lengtheners, but they all have done 1.5-2 inches for the very reason of it not holding up well in terms of proportions as opposed to femurs. That being said they all look excellent, but in every single case, other than one patient of sarins who's here to be fixed, is the persons second operation.
Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: ShortyMcShort on October 11, 2014, 08:41:57 AM
This question is pointless as everyone is different, how long is a piece of string?

We all have different starting proportions and what may look normal or proportionate on someone who just did 8cms on his/her femurs may look completely disproportionate for you
Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: GROWtalORdieTRYING1 on October 11, 2014, 11:29:33 AM
I think the person who originally asked this question honestly wants to see pictures of people who lengthened femurs. :) I would like to see such pictures also.

:)
Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: KrP1 on October 11, 2014, 12:06:39 PM
I think the person who originally asked this question honestly wants to see pictures of people who lengthened femurs. :) I would like to see such pictures also.

:)

Yeah. It will be great to see some pictures
Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: kunta kinte on October 11, 2014, 02:28:15 PM
Longer tibias look much better in my opinion, but one has to be careful, as if you go crazy with tibia lengthening or if you have long tibias in the first place you can end up look off.
Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportional
Post by: Morgenst. on October 11, 2014, 03:44:21 PM
Longer tibias look much better in my opinion, but one has to be careful, as if you go crazy with tibia lengthening or if you have long tibias in the first place you can end up look off.
.  100% agree with this. When you do femurs and they're already normal length or a bit bigger than your tibias they look twice as long than they are because in clothes no matter what your ass is gonna make them look longer making the tibias look unnaturally small. Take that into account.
Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: GROWtalORdieTRYING1 on October 11, 2014, 07:15:09 PM
to be honest.

this whole proportion debate over the years has lead me to 1 conclusion.

whatever amount you lengthen for tibia, you should lengthen for femur also.

I honestly have come to the conclusion that you should always get 2 surgeries.

this way biomechanics don't change, and proportions will never be in the back of your mind like a splinter when you take your clothes off like at the beach.

ov course I also believe you should get eternal for both femur and tibia due to costs.
Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: coppkillr on October 11, 2014, 10:08:38 PM
What ratio is tolerable 0,7 to 0,9 i would think so far is Not visible. So 5cm would be fine on one segment.
Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: Moubgf on October 22, 2014, 07:09:41 PM
Hah! Nazi scouters thats faken fanny
Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: Taller on October 22, 2014, 07:13:21 PM
I have seen a few people who have done around 7 and also look very proportionate.

Do the people who you've seen go 6.5+ typically look proportionate or disproportionate to you? Is your post-LL proportionality pretty typical or an exception to the norm?
Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: GROWtalORdieTRYING1 on October 22, 2014, 07:18:59 PM
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Hah! Nazi scouters thats faken fanny

slim tim are you feeling alright? your acting very strange all of a sudden in multiple threads.

Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: endomorphisme on October 22, 2014, 08:41:28 PM
do you think 3 to 6 cm on your femus will change biomechanics?
Long femurs is normal for human, but tibial as long as femus, it does not exist or it's very rare.
Sweden and polycrates have coordination problems, but i wonder wether they would have issues if they did 4 cm like wannabegiant, polycrate said he should not have exceeded 4 cm, now he has to do a second surgery to resume a good biomechanics
I'm not sure doing two surgeries is the best solution, assuming you only want to increae your height by a small amount.
Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: Uppland on October 23, 2014, 05:57:26 AM
I doubt it directly applies but I wear running shoes that makes me roughly 3 cm taller below the knees and, for whatever it's worth, I have never noticed any mechanical issues.
Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: 680 on October 23, 2014, 02:17:43 PM
do you think 3 to 6 cm on your femus will change biomechanics?
Long femurs is normal for human, but tibial as long as femus, it does not exist or it's very rare.
Sweden and polycrates have coordination problems, but i wonder wether they would have issues if they did 4 cm like wannabegiant, polycrate said he should not have exceeded 4 cm, now he has to do a second surgery to resume a good biomechanics
I'm not sure doing two surgeries is the best solution, assuming you only want to increae your height by a small amount.

Long tibias are not "very rare" or "non existing"
I've got longer tibias than femurs, As far as biomechanics go tibia>femur, And IMO it looks much better.
Here is some info i found.

Just recently there was this debate on a health and fitness forum about barbell squats.  In particular, femur length and squats.  The actual issue was the ratio of the lengths of the tibia and femur and whether this made squatting difficult for people who have relatively long femurs.  (Of course, the concept of “relatively long” was missed, and replies like “I know this guy who’s 6’5″ and he can do ass to grass squats without any difficulty, so everyone else is just making excuses” followed.  So it had to be pointed out that the same problem can be expressed in terms of having a relatively short tibia compared to the femur.)  I have known since university that neanderthals had a relatively long femur compared to the length of the tibia, but it’s hard to tell and journal articles post ratios of actual bone lengths and you can’t very easily measure your own bones while you are still alive.

In any case, it made me do some research and I found amongst other things this article and apparently yes, having a relatively long femur compared to you tibia does indeed give you a significant mechanical disadvantage for squatting in a normal stance.  This is rectified by taking a wider stance, so that the torso (and centre of gravity) goes between the feet, rather than trying to keep your centre of gravity over the feet, which is not physically possible if you have a short shin plus a long femur, because your centre of gravity is further back and you either fall backwards, or you have to lean so far forward to stay balanced when your legs are horizontal to the ground, that a) you can’t physically get any lower because your torso and quadriceps can’t occupy the same space at the same time and b) if you try that with a barbell on your back you’ll do your lower back in.

Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: Moubgf on October 23, 2014, 02:45:50 PM
Long tibias are not "very rare" or "non existing"
I've got longer tibias than femurs, As far as biomechanics go tibia>femur, And IMO it looks much better.
Here is some info i found.

Just recently there was this debate on a health and fitness forum about barbell squats.  In particular, femur length and squats.  The actual issue was the ratio of the lengths of the tibia and femur and whether this made squatting difficult for people who have relatively long femurs.  (Of course, the concept of “relatively long” was missed, and replies like “I know this guy who’s 6’5″ and he can do ass to grass squats without any difficulty, so everyone else is just making excuses” followed.  So it had to be pointed out that the same problem can be expressed in terms of having a relatively short tibia compared to the femur.)  I have known since university that neanderthals had a relatively long femur compared to the length of the tibia, and also that I seem to as well, but it’s hard to tell and journal articles post ratios of actual bone lengths and you can’t very easily measure your own bones while you are still alive.

In any case, it made me do some research and I found amongst other things this article and apparently yes, having a relatively long femur compared to you tibia does indeed give you a significant mechanical disadvantage for squatting in a normal stance.  This is rectified by taking a wider stance, so that the torso (and centre of gravity) goes between the feet, rather than trying to keep your centre of gravity over the feet, which is not physically possible if you have a short shin plus a long femur, because your centre of gravity is further back and you either fall backwards, or you have to lean so far forward to stay balanced when your legs are horizontal to the ground, that a) you can’t physically get any lower because your torso and quadriceps can’t occupy the same space at the same time and b) if you try that with a barbell on your back you’ll do your lower back in.

Thats me. I cant squat for the life of me with some bar on my back i fall over and it all feels wrong and not stable and grounded like i guess taller people.

My legs are starting to look really really short to me. Almost kid like. Gonna stretch the   out of my legs 8 cm minimum.
Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: GROWtalORdieTRYING1 on October 23, 2014, 10:36:54 PM
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My legs are starting to look really really short to me. Almost kid like. Gonna stretch the s**t out of my legs 8 cm minimum

people make up the weirdest lies and excuses to try and persuade themselves why they NEED TO GET massive amounts of lengthening.



Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: 680 on October 23, 2014, 11:01:58 PM
people make up the weirdest lies and excuses to try and persuade themselves why they NEED TO GET massive amounts of lengthening.

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Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: GROWtalORdieTRYING1 on October 24, 2014, 12:38:57 AM
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Thats me. I cant squat for the life of me with some bar on my back i fall over and it all feels wrong and not stable and grounded like i guess taller people.

My legs are starting to look really really short to me. Almost kid like. Gonna stretch the s**t out of my legs 8 cm minimum.

I understand now! how could I be so stupid.

I found a video by the way of all these people who seriously need to get the s**t lengthened out of their tibia.

if only they were taller then they would not have this problem. im sure you can relate to them :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dbvr7LL ForumMo
Title: Re: 8 cm in femurs and disproportion
Post by: Taller on November 14, 2014, 05:37:34 AM
I thought I'd ask this question to anyone who has met several femur lengtheners in person:


Do the people who you've seen go 6.5+ typically look proportionate or disproportionate to you? Is post-LL proportionality after 7CM pretty typical or an exception to the norm?