Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Height & Proportions => Topic started by: ReadRothbard on November 01, 2014, 08:53:59 PM
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It is no secret that one of the reasons many of us get leg lengthening is to fair better with the opposite sex. Now, I don't exactly do poorly with the ladies, but I know that I would do better if I was taller. I've heard plenty of men and women cite the evolutionary argument--that women are "programmed" to seek taller men, as they supposedly are better protectors. However, height doesn't seem to play more than a minor role in one's combat ability, with most boxing experts saying that smaller guys tend to punch with just as much force as larger dudes, as smaller guys punch with more speed. Plus, it is no secret that being short and strong are not mutually exclusive; lamar Gant, Ed Coen, and Franco Columbu all sported 600+ lbs deadlifts at heights of 5'6 or less (Gant was barely 5'2). If women were concerned with ability to protect, than height would be less important than muscular strength, but most research has shown height to be as of more important.
I've also heard the argument that tall men are preferred because one can generate more force punching down rather than punching up (as tall men can punch down to strike their smaller opponents). But, this argument still seems weak at best, as short men can easily strike the solarplexes, lower abdomen, or even the genitals of a tall opponent by striking downward, which would arguably give short men an advantage in fighting.
So, what do you think? Why do women prefer taller men?
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As a general rule, taller men are stronger and have a greater advantage when it comes to fighting but there are exceptions. As for women, they're brained are wired to like taller men because it will aide their survival better in that aspect unless you like Tom Cruise who has millions of dollars which is blatantly better for ones survival but I'm speaking for the general public obviously.
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Body size (height) is in itself not much of an advantage, actually excessive height is unhealthy to some degree. However much like attractive facial symmetry isn't practical it's an indication of effective genetics.
Now before I say anything else it's good to know there is no consensus on this but some of the most likely reasons are: A tall height signals a childhood/adolescence free from diseases that stunt growth and with plenty of nutrition.
It has also been proven that women are attracted to men with a high level of testosterone such as large muscles, low browridges and even pheromones. Testosterone also accelerates growth plate closure so a tall men tend to have statistically less testosterone and that makes handsome tall men very valuable. Finally when you ask women they all say they feel "safe" with tall men. This is because body size signals a powerful protector that can succesfully compete against other smaller men.
But the truth is no one know for sure. Interesting question nonetheless.
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tall men are not stronger, but they are more impressive and get more impressive and more powerful, this is what women are looking for.
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-cause taller men are more mysterious, therefore more attractive
-short mens have that visual defect, when u look at him u want to change something which doesn't happen in tall men
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I believe that a lot has to do with media! You will see that the main protagonist will be a successful, good looking tall guy while majority of the shorter guys will always be portrayed as having "napoleon complex", weak and unsuccessful in many aspect of his life. Nearly always the case in kids shows to mature shows. This representation over time has been hard wired into people so they believe that taller are always more successful. The reason why women prefer taller men and generally look down and humiliate shorter guys.
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Socialization certainly plays a part but I'm sure that women (and men) are actually hardwired to instinctively associate height with power/dominance (a very attractive trait in men) and I think there has been some research that confirms that but I'm not certain
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tall men are not stronger, but they are more impressive and get more impressive and more powerful, this is what women are looking for.
Yes they are. 2 men of equal skill in every aspect except for height, the taller one will win almost always.
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As a general rule, taller men are stronger and have a greater advantage when it comes to fighting but there are exceptions. As for women, they're brained are wired to like taller men because it will aide their survival better in that aspect unless you like Tom Cruise who has millions of dollars which is blatantly better for ones survival but I'm speaking for the general public obviously.
I would definitely say that is not a general rule, whatsoever. A good portion of your world'a strongest men are average height and under, and like I said, most boxing experts say that body mass, really the only thing that changes with height besides reach, doesn't really affect punching power.
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Body size (height) is in itself not much of an advantage, actually excessive height is unhealthy to some degree. However much like attractive facial symmetry isn't practical it's an indication of effective genetics.
Now before I say anything else it's good to know there is no consensus on this but some of the most likely reasons are: A tall height signals a childhood/adolescence free from diseases that stunt growth and with plenty of nutrition.
It has also been proven that women are attracted to men with a high level of testosterone such as large muscles, low browridges and even pheromones. Testosterone also accelerates growth plate closure so a tall men tend to have statistically less testosterone and that makes handsome tall men very valuable. Finally when you ask women they all say they feel "safe" with tall men. This is because body size signals a powerful protector that can succesfully compete against other smaller men.
But the truth is no one know for sure. Interesting question nonetheless.
But the correlation between height and health on an individual basis is weak at best--it only really works as an indicator of health when discussing the average heights of entire populations (ex. countries). Also, I'm not so sure there is a very large advantage to having a large body size and fighting ability. When looking at boxers, we do see great fighters whom are fairly large, such as Muhammed Ali and George Foreman, but Julio Chavez, Tommy Burns, Barney Ross, Rocky Marciano, Sugar Ray, Willie Pep, and Henry Armstrong are all routinely cited as some of the best boxers in history, but were hardly massive at 5'5-5'10.
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Yes they are. 2 men of equal skill in every aspect except for height, the taller one will win almost always.
This is most certainly not true. Just take a look at some of these links:
http://www.expertboxing.com/boxing-strategy/boxing-styles/how-to-beat-a-shorter-boxer
http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f2/why-shorter-guys-better-fighters-2424033/
http://m.livescience.com/1358-short-legs-human-predecessors-fighters.html
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This is most certainly not true. Just take a look at some of these links:
http://www.expertboxing.com/boxing-strategy/boxing-styles/how-to-beat-a-shorter-boxer
http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f2/why-shorter-guys-better-fighters-2424033/
http://m.livescience.com/1358-short-legs-human-predecessors-fighters.html
Yeah, the reason why the Klitschkos are dominating boxing is definitely their height. You just need to know how to use it. I'm pretty sure they would win against every boxer who is below 6'. You can do nothing against their reach.
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Yeah, the reason why the Klitschkos are dominating boxing is definitely their height. You just need to know how to use it. I'm pretty sure they would win against every boxer who is below 6'. You can do nothing against their reach.
Boxing isnt really that good of a reference for fighting though, its very limited so it doesnt represent the assumed disparity of fighting ability between short and tall men.
MMA is much better to compare, its much closer to real fighting and in that sport, short guys have just as much success as tall ones do overall, regardless of weight class.
I realize height and reach are definite advantages, but they are most of the time not significant enough to make a significant difference after all the other factors come into play.
Only a few fighters rely excessively on height and reach for their success, like Jon Jones. But he is lacking in his stand up skills, it can be argued that he simply isnt skilled at stand up, and his reach and height compensate for his average stand up skills. But it can also be argued that his reach and body build makes it more difficult to develop good technique, form, handspeed and knockout power. Jones is lacking in all those areas, the only good standup skill he has is kicks but even his kicks lack power.
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Boxing isnt really that good of a reference for fighting though, its very limited so it doesnt represent the assumed disparity of fighting ability between short and tall men.
MMA is much better to compare, its much closer to real fighting and in that sport, short guys have just as much success as tall ones do overall, regardless of weight class.
I realize height and reach are definite advantages, but they are most of the time not significant enough to make a significant difference after all the other factors come into play.
Only a few fighters rely excessively on height and reach for their success, like Jon Jones. But he is lacking in his stand up skills, it can be argued that he simply isnt skilled at stand up, and his reach and height compensate for his average stand up skills. But it can also be argued that his reach and body build makes it more difficult to develop good technique, form, handspeed and knockout power. Jones is lacking in all those areas, the only good standup skill he has is kicks but even his kicks lack power.
I agree with this.
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This is most certainly not true. Just take a look at some of these links:
http://www.expertboxing.com/boxing-strategy/boxing-styles/how-to-beat-a-shorter-boxer
http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f2/why-shorter-guys-better-fighters-2424033/
http://m.livescience.com/1358-short-legs-human-predecessors-fighters.html
Grade A bs. Being taller is an advantage with no disadvantage unless you don't know how to use it end of discussion. Here's an example. Would a 5'7" 150lb fighter stand a chance against a 6'5" 240 lb fighter of equal skill? No! If he fked up once then the 6'5" guy would knock him out if not kill him! Believe me, I'm humble of my height and smart enough to know that guys who are bigger than myself are more likely gonna win in a fight due to their size alone. It's best to realize that there's always someone taller and stronger than you out there.
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Grade A bs. Being taller is an advantage with no disadvantage unless you don't know how to use it end of discussion. Here's an example. Would a 5'7" 150lb fighter stand a chance against a 6'5" 240 lb fighter of equal skill? No! If he f**ked up once then the 6'5" guy would knock him out if not kill him! Believe me, I'm humble of my height and smart enough to know that guys who are bigger than myself are more likely gonna win in a fight due to their size alone. It's best to realize that there's always someone taller and stronger than you out there.
That's a horrible example. The 6'5 guy would have 90 lbs on the guy. Weight matters much more than height which is why there is sorting by weight class and not height. Put a 5'7 guy and a 6'5 guy of equal skill and weight and it's a much different scenario because while the tall guy has the reach the shorter guy would be much stronger at the same weight.
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Boxing isnt really that good of a reference for fighting though, its very limited so it doesnt represent the assumed disparity of fighting ability between short and tall men.
MMA is much better to compare, its much closer to real fighting and in that sport, short guys have just as much success as tall ones do overall, regardless of weight class.
I realize height and reach are definite advantages, but they are most of the time not significant enough to make a significant difference after all the other factors come into play.
Only a few fighters rely excessively on height and reach for their success, like Jon Jones. But he is lacking in his stand up skills, it can be argued that he simply isnt skilled at stand up, and his reach and height compensate for his average stand up skills. But it can also be argued that his reach and body build makes it more difficult to develop good technique, form, handspeed and knockout power. Jones is lacking in all those areas, the only good standup skill he has is kicks but even his kicks lack power.
This is true. Boxing isn't a good example it's a sport with rules and conditions. There is a reason we feel intimidated by taller men in the natural kingdom size is usually an advantage. Alot of animals use size as an deterrant to stave off hunters, the blowfish for example.
It's reasonably common for the male to be male to be bigger in most species. Think about it does a 45 kg woman stand a chance against a 70 kg man? No -because body size (as long as it's muscles and not just fat) is a sign of strenght. Size isn't only just height a broad short man might very well be more intimidating than a skinny tall man. Bigger in every dimension equals more strenght and more dominance.
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its easy, tall mans are more aestetic than short ones .
Taller mans will always have advantage in a fight or in supervivence.
More height = more weight and longer arms to punch.
If they need to climb a mountain or a tree, its easier for taller man, because short man often cant get points to climb where taller ones can.
Tall mans can walk and run faster
there are lots of reasons.
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5'10 Mark Hunt abusing the much taller Stefan Struve (who is legit 7 feet!!) in the heavyweight division.
He won by KO and both weigh around 265 pounds in the ring, probably more after rehydrating from the weigh in, but Hunt has lots of fat which doesnt help much in a fight, while Struve has mostly lean mass.
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This is true. Boxing isn't a good example it's a sport with rules and conditions. There is a reason we feel intimidated by taller men in the natural kingdom size is usually an advantage. Alot of animals use size as an deterrant to stave off hunters, the blowfish for example.
It's reasonably common for the male to be male to be bigger in most species. Think about it does a 45 kg woman stand a chance against a 70 kg man? No -because body size (as long as it's muscles and not just fat) is a sign of strenght. Size isn't only just height a broad short man might very well be more intimidating than a skinny tall man. Bigger in every dimension equals more strenght and more dominance.
Yeah, tall stature and size is not really suggestive of fighting ability, but we are programmed to associate those traits with strenght and dominance. Same reason why they use big bodyguards even though they might suck at fighting.
the average people including women are not smart enough to look deeper and realize that a big man might be a wuss or a weakling compared to a smaller guy most of the time. They will just accept the most simple explanation to what they see, if they see a tall man they automatically think that is dominant even though they know nothing else about the guy. People are simpleminded overall.
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its easy, tall mans are more aestetic than short ones .
Taller mans will always have advantage in a fight or in supervivence.
More height = more weight and longer arms to punch.
If they need to climb a mountain or a tree, its easier for taller man, because short man often cant get points to climb where taller ones can.
Tall mans can walk and run faster
there are lots of reasons.
those things are not really easily observable though, so i doubt such small things are taken into account as to why tall men are preferred. Those small factors would be comparable to the fact that short men live longer lives on average than tall men do.
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Yeah, tall stature and size is not really suggestive of fighting ability, but we are programmed to associate those traits with strenght and dominance. Same reason why they use big bodyguards even though they might suck at fighting.
the average people including women are not smart enough to look deeper and realize that a big man might be a wuss or a weakling compared to a smaller guy most of the time. They will just accept the most simple explanation to what they see, if they see a tall man they automatically think that is dominant even though they know nothing else about the guy. People are simpleminded overall.
Of course there are average guys who can beat taller guys, but that doesn't mean being short gives you an advantage in fights. Being short gives you no real advantage in real fights, being tall gives you an advantage, reach.
Lets assume you have two men who are equal in skills, but they have a 10cm height difference, the taller guy will win.
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you are generalizing, there are some short guys that can win some tall guys in a fight. But in the average , taller mans will beat shorter guys ass.
thats like say that bruce lee could beat a guy of 6´3 . and say that short guys win tall guys in a fight.
bruce lee can, but the most short guys couldnt.
If you take 100 diferent 5´5 guys and 100 diferent 6´1 guys and make them fight. a lot more tall guys will win than the shorter ones.
Tall guys in average weight more than short guys , have bigger armspawn and is more easy to punch from up to down than down to up. that makes them much more powerfull in a fight
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Of course there are average guys who can beat taller guys, but that doesn't mean being short gives you an advantage in fights. Being short gives you no real advantage in real fights, being tall gives you an advantage, reach.
Lets assume you have two men who are equal in skills, but they have a 10cm height difference, the taller guy will win.
Thats what i said, height and reach are definite advantages in a fight, but in practice you are pretty much never going to have 2 guys who are equal in everything other than height. There are always so many variables at play that height and reach for the most part dont play significant roles, unless you are talking about a 6'4 guy vs a 5'6 guy, but in most of those cases the taller guy is going to be much much heavier as well which is the more significant advantage.
also being shorter have some universal advantages in a fight, lower centre of gravity helps with wrestling, and as mentioned it is easier to attack the groin if we are talking about a real street fight.
Also, you guys are taking extreme examples where the weight difference would be very big as well. So it doesnt really serve the argument. We know that being bigger overall is an advantage in most cases. height is part of size but we are trying to discuss height alone. Im aware that most taller guys are heavier as well but not always.
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You make it seem all shorter guys are scrawny. I weigh just as much as my taller counter parts ofcourse not the overweight or the guy who almost reached his muscle genetic climax.
We talking average here. I could easily get these guys on the ground then what? then what?. What he gonna do then without his unproportionally tall legs.
The only advantage point taller guys have is in tight spaces. Generally in apartments,Elevators,cars stuff like that. On the street i bet my money on the short guy tbh. If he is not scrawny and is just alpha but had short genetics. yup my bet is on him.
6'2 and over the taller guy will win simply because lets be reality.
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dd post
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The fight examples you guys give are exceptions to the rule. Your making it sound like what I'm saying is a constant. I didn't say the smaller/shorter guy doesn't stand a chance. They're will always be exceptions but generally speaking unless one guy is more skilled, height and weight will dominate the fight.
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The fight examples you guys give are exceptions to the rule. Your making it sound like what I'm saying is a constant. I didn't say the smaller/shorter guy doesn't stand a chance. They're will always be exceptions but generally speaking unless one guy is more skilled, height and weight will dominate the fight.
no it wont. ever see a short guy throw fists? that speed and that unintentional headbut.
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6'2 and over the taller guy will win simply because lets be reality.
ok, so if you say that 6´2 will win, is because being tall is really an advantage. you are admitting.
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no it wont. ever see a short guy throw fists? that speed and that unintentional headbut.
Quit trying to make yourself feel secure. Throw him in the ring with a MMA fighter 6'+ of same weight category he'd be finished. I got in a fight with 2 guys at once, one was short and the other tall and believe me when I say the tall guys blows were much more devastating than the short guys and I hurt the shorter guy much more than the taller. Size matters period get it through your thick skull. Hollywood actors will always hire bodyguards 6'5"+. Snoop Dogg is 6'4" and his body guards are 6'8" and taller. Short men will never be hired to be a body guard regardless of skill in. fights.
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The fight examples you guys give are exceptions to the rule. Your making it sound like what I'm saying is a constant. I didn't say the smaller/shorter guy doesn't stand a chance. They're will always be exceptions but generally speaking unless one guy is more skilled, height and weight will dominate the fight.
What you forget is that in pretty much all cases, there will be a skill disparity, and also a speed disparity. Majority of shorter guys are faster than the taller guys. Most people are not that skilled in fighting so even small differences in skill can make a huge difference. And as we see on the highest level in the UFC, the shorter/smaller guys are more technical on average, this probably translates to average people as well although less of a difference. Tall people are generally more clumsy than shorter dudes.
So only if the height disparity is very big will it have a lot of significance, but even then the weight difference in thoses cases are even more significant as mentioned.
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Why do so many of these discussions come down to what's best for fighting?
If I were a woman I would just sigh and go "men"
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Why do so many of these discussions come down to what's best for fighting?
If I were a woman I would just sigh and go "men"
To be fair, the opening post pushed this topic into that territory, so fighting was highly relevant to the discussion from the beginning.
To anyone who who still believes height is such a big advantage in a fight, i suggest you look at this highlight of Igor Vovchanchyn, a 5'8 tall Heavyweight, who managed to get a 30+ fight winning streak at that weight as well as LHW (205 pounds), pretty much all his opponents where much bigger than him.
Height is an advantage, but so is speed (shorter men are faster on average, both movement and handspeed), athleticism (taller men are not more athletic on average) cardio (shorter/smaller men have better cardio on average) and durability ( humans regardless of size have very similar size heads, and how much punishment the head can take is not strongly correlated with the height of the individual)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3OF1piGZoU
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Short guy is going to be faster; a short guy has less weight he needs to throw around for a punch, plus his reach is usually shorter, thus he can accelerate a punch across a shorter reach in less time than a tall guy can accelerate a punch across his longer reach.
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4 cm is not worth it. No one will notice a difference ttttrrrruuuussst me. and especially for the money we/you are throwing at this. 6 cm is the minimum and 7.5-8 max.
Now i will stop at probably 6 and if my body lets me or whatever i will push to 7.5 and go on with my life.
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its easy, tall mans are more aestetic than short ones .
Taller mans will always have advantage in a fight or in supervivence.
More height = more weight and longer arms to punch.
If they need to climb a mountain or a tree, its easier for taller man, because short man often cant get points to climb where taller ones can.
Tall mans can walk and run faster
there are lots of reasons.
Yet, oddly enough, the two undisputedly strongest men in history, Louis Cyr and Paul Anderson, were only 5'8.5 and 5'9.5 respectively.
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Maybe because it's average height and thus just more likely than someone short or tall.
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I also forgot the 5'5, 155 lb Victor Delamarre, who backlifted 7000 lbs.
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I also forgot the 5'5, 155 lb Victor Delamarre, who backlifted 7000 lbs.
This is a stupid way to argue, just because there are/were some strong short men doesn't mean short men are stronger in general. You won't get strong by being tall or short, you get strong by doing exercises and eating.
But the taller you are the more potential you have.
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This is a stupid way to argue, just because there are/were some strong short men doesn't mean short men are stronger in general. You won't get strong by being tall or short, you get strong by doing exercises and eating.
But the taller you are the more potential you have.
What evidence do you have that taller men have more "potential" to be stronger?
Also, don't commit a strawman argument; I never claimed that being tall or short had anything to do with being strong, and you know that. My whole position is counter to that.
Finally, how would taller men have more "potential" to be stronger if the strongest men in history have been from a whole range of heights, from 5'4 (Franco Columbu) to 6'3 (Zyndrunas Savickas)?
Hell, Ed Coan's drug-tested powerlifting total of 2282 lbs bested the legendary 6'3 Konstantins Konstantinovs' 2217 lbs total despite being a whole nine inches shorter than Konststinovs.
I don't follow your logic that height somehow equals strength potential.
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What evidence do you have that taller men have more "potential" to be stronger?
Bigger muscles?
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taller people got bigger muscles . their muscle insertions are much more longer . so they could weight a lot more and have bigger muscles.
you cant have the muscle sice of a guy of 170kg if you weight 90.
The stongests power lifters in the world are over 6´0
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u really think a women will judge a man based on how strong he is or how quickly can he punch, she may even consider him too violent, it has nothing to do with strength as to why women prefer taller men, just an aesthetic point of view
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they prefer taller mans because TALL MANS ARE MORE AESTETIC THAN SHORTER ONES if they want mans for their strengt then strongmans would be the more atractive mans in the world.
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What's more aesthetic about being tall?
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taller people got bigger muscles . their muscle insertions are much more longer . so they could weight a lot more and have bigger muscles.
you cant have the muscle sice of a guy of 170kg if you weight 90.
The stongests power lifters in the world are over 6´0
This is not true. I don't know how many counter examples you need, but nowhere close to all top powerlifters are over 6 foot. They come from a wide range of heights. I'll list of some famous ones right now-
Konstantin Konstantinovs-6'3
Ed Coan-5'6
Kirk Karwoski-5'10
Don Reinhoudt-6'3
Jon Cole-5'10
Franco Columbu-5'4
Robb Buddha Philippus-5'9
Robert Wilkerson- 5'11
"Big James" Henderson- 6'3
"Ted" Arcidi- 5'11
Scott Mendelson- 6'1
Eric Spoto- 5'11
Hugh Cassidy-5'10
Benedict Magnusson-6'0
Paul Anderson-5'9.5 (Deceased)
Anthony Clark- 5'8 (Deceased)
"Gene" Rychlak- 6'1 (Deceased)
"Tiny" Meeker- 5'9
Bruno Samartino- 5'10
Doug Hepburn- 5'8.5 (Deceased)
So, no; you are wrong. Top powerlifters come in a whole range of heights.
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This is not true. I don't know how many counter examples you need, but nowhere close to all top powerlifters are over 6 foot. They come from a wide range of heights. I'll list of some famous ones right now-
Konstantin Konstantinovs-6'3
Ed Coan-5'6
Kirk Karwoski-5'10
Don Reinhoudt-6'3
Jon Cole-5'10
Franco Columbu-5'4
Robb Buddha Philippus-5'9
Robert Wilkerson- 5'11
"Big James" Henderson- 6'3
"Ted" Arcidi- 5'11
Scott Mendelson- 6'1
Eric Spoto- 5'11
Hugh Cassidy-5'10
Benedict Magnusson-6'0
Paul Anderson-5'9.5 (Deceased)
Anthony Clark- 5'8 (Deceased)
"Gene" Rychlak- 6'1 (Deceased)
"Tiny" Meeker- 5'9
Bruno Samartino- 5'10
Doug Hepburn- 5'8.5 (Deceased)
So, no; you are wrong. Top powerlifters come in a whole range of heights.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World's_Strongest_Man
Looks different to me.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World's_Strongest_Man
Looks different to me.
Do you not know the difference between WSM competitors and powerlifters?
Besides, powerlifting is a better indication of strength that the WSM
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Well the honest answer to OP is that no one knows for sure but the fact is that women do prefer tall men. What still amaze me is just how important it is to women, I can't believe I never heard more about it in everyday life always thought that if you had a handsome face you were pretty much set. I think height is really underrated when it comes to attraction the vast majority of women view it as a major attractive trait.
I'm not trying to put down shorter people here height is just one thing that make up a attractive person. I'm just dumbfounded by how important it really is, I never would have guessed, it seems so arbitrary when you're unaware.
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Well the honest answer to OP is that no one knows for sure but the fact is that women do prefer tall men. What still amaze me is just how important it is to women, I can't believe I never heard more about it in everyday life always thought that if you had a handsome face you were pretty much set. I think height is really underrated when it comes to attraction the vast majority of women view it as a major attractive trait.
I'm not trying to put down shorter people here height is just one thing that make up a attractive person. I'm just dumbfounded by how important it really is, I never would have guessed, it seems so arbitrary when you're unaware.
once u reach 6'0 its importance is less and less relevant
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once u reach 6'0 its importance is less and less relevant
That may be true but I think that's just because it's an even number. Where I live people talk about 180, 185 or 190CM as milestones.
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Well the honest answer to OP is that no one knows for sure but the fact is that women do prefer tall men. What still amaze me is just how important it is to women, I can't believe I never heard more about it in everyday life always thought that if you had a handsome face you were pretty much set. I think height is really underrated when it comes to attraction the vast majority of women view it as a major attractive trait.
I'm not trying to put down shorter people here height is just one thing that make up a attractive person. I'm just dumbfounded by how important it really is, I never would have guessed, it seems so arbitrary when you're unaware.
I feel the exact same way. It is so weird that women value height to the extent that they do.
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Do you not know the difference between WSM competitors and powerlifters?
Besides, powerlifting is a better indication of strength that the WSM
I will try do to this without drawings and my numbers aren't precise but serve to demonstrate the points.
When you move a weight through the action of your muscles, it is by the muscle exerting a pulling force on the tendons and the tendons then exerting a pulling force against the bone. If you look at your forearm and measure the distance between the insertion of the tendons from your bicep and your elbow and your elbow and your hand, the elbow-hand will be around 7 times longer than elbow to tendon, so when you exert a force from your bicep on your hand it is only 1/7th of the force that the bicep is exerting on the tendon. If the ratio drops from 1/7 to 1/6 (sometimes happens in shorter people) then at the point where they hold the weight (their hand), they can exert more force even though the muscle itself may only have the same strength.
2nd reason - most easily demonstrated by flies.
Take the fly position with upper arms parallel to the floor and using basic physics of forcexdistance, somebody with longer arms has to exert a proportionally greater force to use the same weights than a shorter person would.
Taller people WILL always have more potential and advantages than short people when it comes to fighting.
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If you're doing LL to get a larger dating pool, I feel sorry for you.
If a girl rejects you because of your height, You're dodging a bullet.
Females are genetically wired to choose the strongest and healthiest mate.
height=better nutrition and many,many,many other advantages over the shorter guys.
In my case i really want to do LL because of my self image, I just can't accept being this height.
I don't care how other people perceive my height, I wouldn't have considered LL if i was happy with my height, I value my own opinion most above all.
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In my case i really want to do LL because of my self image, I just can't accept being this height.
I don't care how other people perceive my height, I wouldn't have considered LL if i was happy with my height, I value my own opinion most above all.
Yet. that's how I feel as well. The only thing I want is to be able to feel proud of myself again and to not feel short anymore.
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I will try do to this without drawings and my numbers aren't precise but serve to demonstrate the points.
When you move a weight through the action of your muscles, it is by the muscle exerting a pulling force on the tendons and the tendons then exerting a pulling force against the bone. If you look at your forearm and measure the distance between the insertion of the tendons from your bicep and your elbow and your elbow and your hand, the elbow-hand will be around 7 times longer than elbow to tendon, so when you exert a force from your bicep on your hand it is only 1/7th of the force that the bicep is exerting on the tendon. If the ratio drops from 1/7 to 1/6 (sometimes happens in shorter people) then at the point where they hold the weight (their hand), they can exert more force even though the muscle itself may only have the same strength.
2nd reason - most easily demonstrated by flies.
Take the fly position with upper arms parallel to the floor and using basic physics of forcexdistance, somebody with longer arms has to exert a proportionally greater force to use the same weights than a shorter person would.
Taller people WILL always have more potential and advantages than short people when it comes to fighting.
You are confusing work with force. Taller people do not have to produce more force--they only have to produce it for a loner period of time in the case of your big compound lifts. This is what enabled the short Ed Coan to become "the greatest powerlifter in the history of the sport"; he was strong with a short ROM in his lifts.
Second, your conclusion that tall people will always have more potential and/or advantages in fighting does not follow from your arguements. You still ignore that if tall men were somehow stronger than short men, which is incredibly debatable, short men would still be inevitably quicker, more agile, have a lower center of gravity, and better equipped to strike a tall man's weak points (the groin, ribs, solarplexes, lower abs, etc.).
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You are confusing work with force. Taller people do not have to produce more force--they only have to produce it for a loner period of time in the case of your big compound lifts. This is what enabled the short Ed Coan to become "the greatest powerlifter in the history of the sport"; he was strong with a short ROM in his lifts.
Second, your conclusion that tall people will always have more potential and/or advantages in fighting does not follow from your arguements. You still ignore that if tall men were somehow stronger than short men, which is incredibly debatable, short men would still be inevitably quicker, more agile, have a lower center of gravity, and better equipped to strike a tall man's weak points (the groin, ribs, solarplexes, lower abs, etc.).
This was another point, Not part of the same argument.
If you have two fighters same skill,stamina,power but one is 4 inches taller than the other one , Do you think that his agility or quickness will play a role when the taller guy has the reach advantage?
Just take a look at Wladimir Klitschko 1.98cm/ 6'6" he is almost slender, He dosen't look like a giant ball of mass like the shorter guys not only cause it's harder for taller people to gain mass, Its mostly because he dosen't need to be buffed to defeat his opponents, He knows that he is a fighter not a bodybuilder.
He has a massive reach and delivers very precise hits.
(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2014/04/26/1226896/481733-58884e6c-cc85-11e3-b520-1a79dc9db4b9.jpg)
Height really matters in everything to a certain point, There is a cut-off point of course, Depending on the situation or sport or whatever.
some examples:
Fedor Emelianenko
Record: 31-4, 1 NC
Age: 34
Height: 6-foot
Weight: 223
Style: Sambo
Birthplace: Rubizhne, Ukraine
Poll Points: 50
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Record: 33-6-1, 1 NC
Age: 35
Height: 6-foot-3
Weight: 243
Style: Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
Birthplace: Vitoria da Conquista, Bahia, Brazil
Poll Points: 45
RANDY COUTURE
Record: 19-11
Age: 48
Height: 6-foot-1
Weight: 220
Style: Wrestling
Birthplace: Everett, Wash.
Poll Points: 39
MIRKO “CRO COP” FILIPOVIC
Record: 27-9-2, 1 NC
Age: 36
Height: 6-foot-2
Weight: 227
Style: Kickboxing
Birthplace: Vinkovci, Croatia
Poll Points: 30
JOSH BARNETT
Record: 30-5
Age: 33
Height: 6-foot-3
Weight: 256
Style: Catch Wrestling
Birthplace: Seattle
Points: 29
FRANK MIR
Record: 15-5
Age: 32
Height: 6-foot-3
Weight: 260
Style: Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
Birthplace: Las Vegas
Poll Points: 27
TIM SYLVIA
Record: 29-7
Age: 35
Height: 6-foot-8
Weight: 265
Style: Kickboxing
Birthplace: Ellsworth, Maine
Poll Points: 13
MARK COLEMAN
Record: 16-10
Age: 46
Height: 6-foot-1
Weight: 245
Style: Wrestling
Birthplace: Fremont, Ohio
Poll Points: 11
CAIN VELASQUEZ
Record: 9-0
Age: 29
Height: 6-foot-1
Weight: 244
Style: Wrestling
Birthplace: Salinas, Calif.
Poll Points: 10
MMA'S ALL-TIME HEAVYWEIGHTS
Did you see anyone under 6'0" ?
There is only one guy who is 6'0"... the others are taller.
Height=more potential/advantages in most sports.
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You will almost never have fighters of equal everything facing each other, even in professional sports, so this argument is completely stupid.
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You will almost never have fighters of equal everything facing each other, even in professional sports, so this argument is completely stupid.
Exactly, there are so many other factors into a fight that the height difference becomes secondary in most cases unless there is a huge disparity.
Weight matters more.
Look at the fighter Anthony Johnsson. He is 6'2 and very muscular. He used to cut a lot of weight to make 170 lbs. At that division he lost to rich clementi who was 5'9 and to josh Koscheck who is 5'10. This is despite the weight not being equal due to weight cutting. And Anthony is a very skilled fighter since after moving to 205 lbs he has defeated former HW champ Andrei Arlovski who is 6'3 as well as LHW fighters phil davis and rogerio nogueria who where both 6'2.
So if a fighter that big and tall and skilled to beat fighters at LHW and HW divisions, managed to lose against fighters much shorter and smaller at WW, then how much does reach and height really mean when weight is equalized? (and as said, due to weight cutting there was still a weight disparity in favor of Johnson).
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Do you even know what hypothetical is?
I am not talking about a real life scenario, I am talking about a hypothetical situation where the only true difference in both fighters is the height. Who do you think has more advantage?
My other point about the MMA'S ALL-TIME HEAVYWEIGHTS was that given the average height is less than 6'1" why are most fighters above 6'0" ; 6'1" ?
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Do you even know what hypothetical is?
I am not talking about a real life scenario, I am talking about a hypothetical situation where the only true difference in both fighters is the height. Who do you think has more advantage?
I know what hypothetical is, however i dont see the point in discussing a hypothetical situation that pretty much never happens in practice. There are always disparities in other areas other than height between two fighters, so its very hard to measure exactly how much height matters in a fight. I already told you than being taller has its definite advantages but i dont think they are as significant as some of you here make it sound like
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This went from being a question about women preferring taller men to a discussion about whether height is important or not in a fight
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This went from being a question about women preferring taller men to a discussion about whether height is important or not in a fight
Yea I think it happened in my thread about the perfect height as well, it's so stupid why do people care about that?
If I could trade all my fighting skills (not that I have much) for 5CM of extra height I would in a heartbeat.
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Yea I think it happened in my thread about the perfect height as well, it's so stupid why do people care about that?
If I could trade all my fighting skills (not that I have much) for 5CM of extra height I would in a heartbeat.
The point of whom are better fighters (short or tall guys, or neither), because women claim that they seek out taller men for protection and security reasons according to some deeper programming due to natural selection. Naturally, if the theory that taller men are better was is disproven, which I have done, that evolutionary preference argument would be thoroughly debunked.
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Granted, this is the proper thread for that discussion i guess.
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I'm mostly convinced that preference for taller men is a cultural thing. After all, a tall man's better reach is mostly counteracted by his decreased punching speed and his agility, and the extra calories needed to sustain him would've been disadvantageous from a natural selection point of view. I simply don't buy that it is an evolutionary-based preference.
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I'm mostly convinced that preference for taller men is a cultural thing. After all, a tall man's better reach is mostly counteracted by his decreased punching speed and his agility, and the extra calories needed to sustain him would've been disadvantageous from a natural selection point of view. I simply don't buy that it is an evolutionary-based preference.
Then why does it exist in basically every culture on the planet and also why does men grow bigger than females?
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It doesn't exist in "basically evey culture on the planet". There are plenty of modern-day stone-age societies that don't have the preference. As for why men grow taller, we have less estrogen. Estrogen causes early growth plate closure; therefore, men will inevitably grow taller.
http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Piotr_Sorokowski/publication/230631934_Height_preferences_in_humans_may_not_be_universal_Evidence_from_the_Datoga_people_of_Tanzania/links/0046352730168746bd000000
This study of the East-African Dogata people does not demonstrate a prevailing height preferance for taller men. Rather, the Dogata women actually considered a man of the same height to be ideal, with equal numbers of women also being attracted to tall and short stature in men (14% of women each, respectively).
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It doesn't exist in "basically evey culture on the planet". There are plenty of modern-day stone-age societies that don't have the preference. As for why men grow taller, we have less estrogen. Estrogen causes early growth plate closure; therefore, men will inevitably grow taller.
http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Piotr_Sorokowski/publication/230631934_Height_preferences_in_humans_may_not_be_universal_Evidence_from_the_Datoga_people_of_Tanzania/links/0046352730168746bd000000
This study of the East-African Dogata people does not demonstrate a prevailing height preferance for taller men. Rather, the Dogata women actually considered a man of the same height to be ideal, with equal numbers of women also being attracted to tall and short stature in men (14% of women each, respectively).
Ok, then why do you even want to do LL? If you think being short is superior then what are you doing on a LL-forum? ???
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It doesn't exist in "basically evey culture on the planet". There are plenty of modern-day stone-age societies that don't have the preference. As for why men grow taller, we have less estrogen. Estrogen causes early growth plate closure; therefore, men will inevitably grow taller.
http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Piotr_Sorokowski/publication/230631934_Height_preferences_in_humans_may_not_be_universal_Evidence_from_the_Datoga_people_of_Tanzania/links/0046352730168746bd000000
This study of the East-African Dogata people does not demonstrate a prevailing height preferance for taller men. Rather, the Dogata women actually considered a man of the same height to be ideal, with equal numbers of women also being attracted to tall and short stature in men (14% of women each, respectively).
I have heard or read somewhere that high testosterone levels also causes early growth plate closure, but im not sure if is accurate.
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Ok, then why do you even want to do LL? If you think being short is superior then what are you doing on a LL-forum? ???
When did I ever say being short was superior?
I want to do ll for the benefits; obviously attraction to taller men is not genetic, but that doesn't mean women haven't been brainwashed into believing that tall men are better protectors, lovers, more masculine, etc. So, getting ll is simply taking advantage of the brainwashing both women and men have been exposed to that tall men are somehow better than short men.