Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Height & Proportions => Topic started by: thetallerman on December 12, 2014, 09:36:13 PM
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A couple years ago I was in Nicaragua visiting my dad's side of the family (I honestly think my Nicaraguan genetics is what caused my shortness, 5'7) I met a really cute girl and we had an amazing fling together. Look at this height difference, she is a perfectly normal average 5'2 girl in Nicaragua and yet I, with a 5 inch gain over her, look actually relatively tall. She had no problem with my height whatsoever!!
The reason I'm telling you all this is because I've noticed many of you shorter guys getting super discouraged with your starting height and thinking that you must reach at least 5'9/5'10 or even higher in order to have a chance with girls. I totally disagree and think that once you hit a height like 5'7 or 5'8, yeah you'll be shorter than the average white guy in say the US, but you'll still be way taller than short girls and still taller than the average girl, and maybe even tieing the taller girls who may not mind you being the same height as they are. Just food for thought and I hope this encourages you that if your starting height is 5'3/5'4 for example and you managed to get to 5'7, dang I can tell you for sure you'd notice an improvement! Obviously average heights like 5'9/5'10 in most western countries would be more imposing of heights, but that's not to say that your height at 5'7/5'8 would be insufficient to get a girl interested. One of my best friends has got to be only 5'5, if that, and he gets TONS of girls.... He is usually going after short latinas and they love his personality and charm :)
PS> I do realize in a place like the netherlands though, 5'7 may be a bit too short, but how many of you really short guys live there???
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I agree man. I can obviously see how being 6ft would be a perfect height for those of us not fortunate enough to start out at 5'6 or 5'7 it's simply impossible, and that's not such a terrible thing. My dream height is 5'8 with boots or insoles I'll be standing comfortably at 5'9 it's not perfect but three inches isnt a ridiculous difference. I can't say that at that height I could see a 6ft dude coming up to me and commenting on my height as if I were a foot under him you know? I wish guys my height 5'3 would the see advantages in reaching an average height instead of focusing on the statistics
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I agree man. I can obviously see how being 6ft would be a perfect height for those of us not fortunate enough to start out at 5'6 or 5'7 it's simply impossible, and that's not such a terrible thing. My dream height is 5'8 with boots or insoles I'll be standing comfortably at 5'9 it's not perfect but three inches isnt a ridiculous difference. I can't say that at that height I could see a 6ft dude coming up to me and commenting on my height as if I were a foot under him you know? I wish guys my height 5'3 would the see advantages in reaching an average height instead of focusing on the statistics
Yeah at 5'8 I'm pretty sure you'd be so happy! You could even throw out the lifts and just wear boots for that final added boost. The truth is though, to woman and other people the lengthened legs will make you appear taller than 5'8. Also, since people's eyes are 4.5 inches down from the top of their head, you at 5'8/5'9 would really not seem significantly shorter through the eyes of 6 footer, only with a mirror nearby is the difference more obvious. I've stood next to plenty of people that I thought were taller than me or the same height to find out I was actually an inch or two taller than them! Once you are average height, I think muscles, posture, body language etc portray to others whether you're strong/alpha or if you can be easily pushed around.
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I agree man. I can obviously see how being 6ft would be a perfect height for those of us not fortunate enough to start out at 5'6 or 5'7 it's simply impossible, and that's not such a terrible thing. My dream height is 5'8 with boots or insoles I'll be standing comfortably at 5'9 it's not perfect but three inches isnt a ridiculous difference. I can't say that at that height I could see a 6ft dude coming up to me and commenting on my height as if I were a foot under him you know? I wish guys my height 5'3 would the see advantages in reaching an average height instead of focusing on the statistics
You might not be completely without hope of reaching 6'0 someday. There are some amazing advances being made in stem cell research, and scientists in Russia have already grown longer legs in sheep by injecting stem cells around the joints (in a specific area; I can't remember what is it called). They are getting close to releasing the drug for human trials. In the next ten years, ll might not even be needed anymore.
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I seriously think i would vent by killing someone if after 2 LL surgeries some phaggy russian dude with glasses comes out with this stem cell bs.
And these 12 year old cky spolied brat kids will get it as christmas present. geez thanks mom now i can grow to 6'2 not deserving it yaayy.
Fk no.
i hope it comes out the day im dead. Then you can have it.
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Lol. Your comments crack me up sometimes, Slim_Tim.
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RedRothbard- I know man I am really excited for that! Hope in the next 10 to 15yrs it'll be possible. Making my torso three to four inches longer would make me proportionate and tip over towards 6ft. I know this all sounds insane but in few years I think it could def be possible. Hell in today's world we're giving limbs transplants to amputees, women uterus transplants, and even growing penises lol. All I wish is to still be young enough to benefit from it when it does, I'm only 20 so I've got faith in that.
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RedRothbard- I know man I am really excited for that! Hope in the next 10 to 15yrs it'll be possible. Making my torso three to four inches longer would make me proportionate and tip over towards 6ft. I know this all sounds insane but in few years I think it could def be possible. Hell in today's world we're giving limbs transplants to amputees, women uterus transplants, and even growing penises lol. All I wish is to still be young enough to benefit from it when it does, I'm only 20 so I've got faith in that.
only 20? ur life ends when you hit 30 bro.. Sure you get more wise, you get more mature women, you earn more cash and what have you.
But nothing..nothing will be how it was when you where in your twenties. Like you cant go back to when you where a teenager. A different time a different world.
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Not really... You are talking about the guys who are doing LL for women. I'm definitely not doing it for women, I'm only doing it for myself and if I become 5'7" and want another LL surgery it is up to me. Why would I do LL for women anyway? A short guy can still get a girlfriend, you even mentioned your friend, proof there... You want to expand the chances of getting a girlfriend? Meh, that is not an issue with me anyway. I guess each person is different.
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Not really... You are talking about the guys who are doing LL for women. I'm definitely not doing it for women, I'm only doing it for myself and if I become 5'7" and want another LL surgery it is up to me. Why would I do LL for women anyway? A short guy can still get a girlfriend, you even mentioned your friend, proof there... You want to expand the chances of getting a girlfriend? Meh, that is not an issue with me anyway. I guess each person is different.
Can you compare a 20 year old you to a balding 30 year old you. Thats what im trying to get a across. Fk women they come and go.
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Can you compare a 20 year old you to a balding 30 year old you. Thats what im trying to get a across. Fk women they come and go.
fk women huh? Tell that to the OP lol. Anyway of course you cannot compare that age difference, but there are 30 year olds who get LL done it really doesn't matter. Either way I'm still young, below 30 so the age isn't an issue either.
The only problem here is my height, that's why I'm changing it end of story.
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Can you compare a 20 year old you to a balding 30 year old you. Thats what im trying to get a across. Fk women they come and go.
Women don't care if your balding or bald. Just shave your head and you'll look fine.
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Slimtim you've got your opinion of life and thats for you to have. As for me my life won't be over after thirty sure there's that'll obviously be different than my 20s but so what? That's the way it goes though I am exceptionally lucky in the genes department (apart from ty height) all my family members are. There's only one man in either side of my family that went bald before his 50s. Far as getting LL for women that's a really sad reason to do it if that's what anyone does it for can't imagine their luck be any better after LL. If they blame all their failures on their height I imagine there's more scaring women away than his height.
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im not specifically talking about balding per se. I got a head full of hair just like my dad.
When i say "balding" 30 year old. I mean a worn out, emotionally and physically. Your body is also worn down after 10 years of god knows what.
The mind of optimism and taking the world by storm and just getting out there. Will start to fade, you get more family oriented which is fine by all means. But the reason i again mentioned this was because you said you would want this stem cell done in 10 years, you're currently 20 so you would be 30-35 by then.
Thats what i ment by life not being the same.
And you guys went off about me thinking it was all about women, or going bald specifically.
The change between 20 and 30 is HUGE. It's only 10 summers but within these...yeah you get the idea. And you are right absolutely that life does not end at 30 not even close. But that world of impulsivity, youth, love at first sight, and these other "youth" based things will go away when you hit 30. Atleast thats what dad keep telling me, basically everyday...life goes by quick, life goes by quick..suddenly you 40. So im gonna take my dads word for it that crap is not the same when you hit a certain age. But he also said that the 30's was much better handled as i was saying before about maturity and stuff like that.
20's is like the movie. You live life very straight forward and movie like.
30's is like behind the scenes. It has all the spoilers of how the movie was constructed and its not authentic any more.
And its a new movie coming out called 20's.
But all you get too see is directors cut at 30.
But yeah..youth man.
And you being genetically gifted else where does not matter if you are not exotic looking. Everybody can get that h&m magazine cover look by clothes and the hideous mainstream haircuts that is shown these days. This does not mean that you perse are gentically gifted. You just combined tools of deceit /shoelifts /makeup /hair /clothes /status /self confidence /self image /height /plastic surgery etc.. but not to contradict myself. These tools if used for expression of who you are inside combined with a sense of knowing your potential can make you really beautiful. For real. Not artifical looks.
Having a polo shirt with jeans is "mainstream" attractive and you can base your physical apperance on that. But real aesthetic beauty is Hard to get by. And it's all individual and personal, like some people have the genetics to look almost... ancient, static , timeless. But yeah difference between your average tomboy and a really "gifted" human outside of mainstream perception of manly "hotness".
also to add. Height could be the only reason she is not dating you 100%. Thats why shorter guys get more insecure because they think they must be hideous looking, or lacking some important social aspect/skill or any of these other "cunfidense" marks.
When by fact and this will hit the intellectual short guy hard. That it was because his bone was not long enough that he did not get THAT girlfriend. IM not sayin a girlfriend any fool can do that. But THAT girlfriend that you really liked or whatever. It hits you on another level beyond ridicule and self worth.
The problem becomes existential.
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Yeah I agree. 30 is still relatively young. By the time your like 50 is when things start to get shakey.
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I seriously think i would vent by killing someone if after 2 LL surgeries some phaggy russian dude with glasses comes out with this stem cell bs.
And these 12 year old cky spolied brat kids will get it as christmas present. geez thanks mom now i can grow to 6'2 not deserving it yaayy.
Fk no.
i hope it comes out the day im dead. Then you can have it.
ROFL ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Well that was fun. I read this entire thread and have several points to make.
Im kinda sad that your millennial generation seems just as confused and insecure as we Gen x'ers were in the 90s. :-\
As for turning 30: When I was 20 years of age the thought of turning 30 meant a wife, kids, house , suit briefcase. I spent much of my 20s living paycheck to paycheck having fun mixed in with being very concerned I would never meet a woman who would marry me nor would my career take off.
Being in your 20s is simultaneously the greatest and challenging time of my life.
When I was 28 my daughter was born and that was basically the end of the road for me in terms of my 'youth'. When you guys have kids it doesnt matter what age it is it will stiffen you up very quickly.
I can tell you that life goes on just as fun when you are 30 or 40. I will let you know how 50 is when I get there. The difference is we grow as people every day so what we find challenging at 20 is boring by 30 which is then boring by 40 and so on.
As for being 5ft 7 , I hover anywhere from 5ft6.5 at night after exercising all day to 5ft8 in the morning all stretched out.
My height average of 5ft 7 is considered 'normal' .........compared to circus midgets or pygmies that is. I am taller than most women but a good 20% are taller and many are my size. 85% of grown men are taller than I am.
My wife is 5ft 2 and I was very fortunate she saw beyond my height.
Women find men attractive because of our height. Without it, we are not attractive in that way. Just like a woman who is fat. She will not be considered attractive to men in that regard. She can have lots of other qualities that COULD make up for it, but she would have to be quite a lady.
I have lived with ridicule from other men, and been ignored by many women because of my height. Like most of us on here, we are bright, attractive, articulate and presentable. We have all had multiple experiences of having all that chucked out the window because of our height.
Our height costs us in every way possible, whether we want to believe it or not. We have a much smaller group of women to choose from. We need to find those who dont think height matters in a man. We have less of a chance to get a promotion, win elections to public office or even something as simple as being taken seriously in a social situation. :-\
We in the US have advocates for Black folks. Advocates for women. Groups for Latinos. We got Native Indian advocates .
There is nobody standing up for short folks -regardless of the fact our height aint our fault. Its not a character flaw. Its a genetic flaw. Height discrimination is one of the few remaining prejudices that is still allowed as fair game.
Of course I am going to have the operations. Even in my 40s I have 30 years or even 40 more years of being over 6ft to gain. You guys in your 20s have 50 or 60 years to live as medium to tall folks. Your damn right its worth it.
How do you put a price on 50-60 years of an easier way of life based on how others will percieve you? I know I cant.
I have spent my life simply denying that being short was a problem . I convinced myself that anyone with half a brain should see beyond it to my character. Its a lie. It does matter. Matters a lot more than we even realize.
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TomD
amazing words. I can almost taste the wisdom of your words with my eyes :)
I really like reading things from people who understand things properly.
when do you think you will get LL and where?
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Would that I could freeze myself or something until that stem cell therapy is viable but I'd rather see someone implant new growth plates. Not gonna wait 15+ years for that though I should do this surgery as fast as possible and then forget about it.
Got a friend who's 170CM on a good day and he actually does fine with the women.
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Yeah I agree. 30 is still relatively young. By the time your like 50 is when things start to get shakey.
Please stop boxing yourselves in regarding age. For starters i'm in my late 40s and am in the best shape of my life. 3 years ago I climbed Kilimanjaro and have done more the a couple of century bike rides the last couple of years (100 mile bike ride equivalent to marathon). The problem with associating rigid characteristics to age is that they become self fulfilling prophecies. In my 20s I erroneously thought similarly to many on this thread. That just led to needless anxiety as those milestones came around and worst of all impacted the sweetness of life. Now I'm not trying to rewrite the laws of nature but man it's not like you go over a cliff on your 30th bday either. You have some control of how fulfilling and active your life is at all ages don't forget that and if you find yourself being one of those people that use age as the excuse to stop you all I can say - poor excuse!!
In my life I've seen the gamut from 20 somethings ready for retirement homes to 90 somethings burning the midnight oil. These are obvious extremes but don't lose the message in the dramatization. I'll leave you with this example to bring home my point. This past summer I found myself in a new city wanting to go for a group cycle ride. I found a local club that did regular runs so I signed up for a 40 mile ride. Everyone in the group was in their 30s -5 0s. The leader of this ride was this incredibly fit rider that spent most of his time waiting for us to catchup. About 3/4 of the way on the trip we stopped at his very beautiful house where he treated us to some food and beverages. The house was filled with pictures of him and his family and from those pictures of him as a great grandfather it was immediately apparent that the man cleaning our clocks all morning was much older than all of us. It turned out he was 77 and a serious athlete at any age. This story isn't a one off there are many similar examples.
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Please stop boxing yourselves in regarding age. For starters i'm in my late 40s and am in the best shape of my life. 3 years ago I climbed Kilimanjaro and have done more the a couple of century bike rides the last couple of years (100 mile bike ride equivalent to marathon). The problem with associating rigid characteristics to age is that they become self fulfilling prophecies. In my 20s I erroneously thought similarly to many on this thread. That just led to needless anxiety as those milestones came around and worst of all impacted the sweetness of life. Now I'm not trying to rewrite the laws of nature but man it's not like you go over a cliff on your 30th bday either. You have some control of how fulfilling and active your life is at all ages don't forget that and if you find yourself being one of those people that use age as the excuse to stop you all I can say - poor excuse!!
In my life I've seen the gamut from 20 somethings ready for retirement homes to 90 somethings burning the midnight oil. These are obvious extremes but don't lose the message in the dramatization. I'll leave you with this example to bring home my point. This past summer I found myself in a new city wanting to go for a group cycle ride. I found a local club that did regular runs so I signed up for a 40 mile ride. Everyone in the group was in their 30s -5 0s. The leader of this ride was this incredibly fit rider that spent most of his time waiting for us to catchup. About 3/4 of the way on the trip we stopped at his very beautiful house where he treated us to some food and beverages. The house was filled with pictures of him and his family and from those pictures of him as a great grandfather it was immediately apparent that the man cleaning our clocks all morning was much older than all of us. It turned out he was 77 and a serious athlete at any age. This story isn't a one off there are many similar examples.
They are always exceptions but the general rule is if you don't eat right or exercise you'll look older quicker and it will be harder to move. But my Dad is pushing 70 but he looks like he's about 50 due to him exercising and eating right. I eat fairly well, cheat 1-2x a week and in good shape.
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They are always exceptions but the general rule is if you don't eat right or exercise you'll look older quicker and it will be harder to move. But my Dad is pushing 70 but he looks like he's about 50 due to him exercising and eating right. I eat fairly well, cheat 1-2x a week and in good shape.
Keep that up and you will feel good for a long time !!
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From my experience 5'8 is a decent height even 5'7, things get much easier if you get buffed, and have a charming face. My problem is that I have the genes of my dad who has baldness (of course not completely bald but he is receding), luckily I will get a hair transplant ( or two to get a full head of hair) and then maybe go for LL though I find it unlikely, because I don't know how my life will be..anyway embrace what you have until you can and want to change it
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TomD
amazing words. I can almost taste the wisdom of your words with my eyes :)
I really like reading things from people who understand things properly.
when do you think you will get LL and where?
Thank you for the kind words. I wish I had the extra 20 years that you guys do . Time does go faster as you age. ;)
I keep going back and forth from cheaping out in India or Russia , and then going internal in Europe. I live in Florida but Paley and the others here are TOO expensive.
I plan to do 7cm on both segments . 14cm in all. Start at 171cm and end at 185.
How about you?
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I think if you want a girl who's 5'8" and above, 5'8" and 5'7" are bad heights but in reality, your still taller than most women so you'll probably be fine with average and short women.
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it all depends where u are geographically.
in asia, anything above 185 is freakish, ie above, three standard deviations. Yes there will be 5% of people with that height, but its not "normal height" - Paley.
Well, in america, that number is 188. But who really cares. Just do what height u want.
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it all depends where u are geographically.
in asia, anything above 185 is freakish, ie above, three standard deviations. Yes there will be 5% of people with that height, but its not "normal height" - Paley.
Well, in america, that number is 188. But who really cares. Just do what height u want.
Lol, Asian women don't find caucasian men freakish. All of them want 6'0" plus white guys!
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I think if you want a girl who's 5'8" and above, 5'8" and 5'7" are bad heights but in reality, your still taller than most women so you'll probably be fine with average and short women.
Hi Ajax. In part of my post I address this concern but forgot to detail as to why.
I thought exactly like you. If I am 5ft 7 , then it stands to reason women 5ft to 5ft2 or 3 should be perfect for me. Sounds reasonable right?
Wrong. Much to my chagrin, women of all stripes want tall men. I couldn't wrap my head around it at first. Why would a woman 5ft 2 need to be with a guy 6ft ? She would need a ladder to kiss the guy.
Turns out, women are attracted to us for our height because of the confidence and power it gives us. A woman wants to know her man is strong enough to protect her and is respected by other men as well. Our society shuns short men, so short guys are not respected by medium and tall men and thus we are rejected by women.
We need to find women who dont care about height. Its such a fundamental beauty trait for men that women only reject height because they cant get a tall guy who is worth a damn so they 'settle' for a short guy who has everything else going for him.
I tried to deny it because quite frankly, I had no choice. Now we do have a choice.
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My point was is that most women 5'6" and under will date a guy 5'7". Yes they want a tall man but they'll still date a man who's 5'7" or 5'8". Anything less than 5'6" isn't good not detrimental but not good.
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I think many women have a cut off around 5'8" - 5'9". 5'7" is close, 5'6 isn't close enough, 5'5" is not even close. I am 5'6" and I have gotten some real good looking girls but I've been rejected by more purely because of height.
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over the years I've come to the conclusion that most women between 175cm and 180cm really don't look at height like short girls.
for example, a girl in the height range mentoned generaly has no problem if a guy is her height or even a little shorter than her, obviously being taller than her is desirable but not a deal breaker.
on the other hand short girls 160 and lower really have a problem with guys not being like 195cm+, I never got why, are they trying compensate their insecurity being short by having a tall boyfriend.
standing at 180cm( I live in the dinaric alps region so 180 is not really that tall, more like slightly below average) I almost never got rejected by a girl my height or taller, they didnt even bring up height, but the short ones said to me "nah, youre to short", not literally in those words but you get my drift.
what are your experiences?
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My point was is that most women 5'6" and under will date a guy 5'7". Yes they want a tall man but they'll still date a man who's 5'7" or 5'8". Anything less than 5'6" isn't good not detrimental but not good.
No , they dont. Again, I used to think that exact thing but it was a lie. Women will choose tall men over short men. This idea that a woman who will date a 5ft7 or 8 man when she has a choice of 6ft men is ridiculous. We would have to have several other advantages over the guy 5ft 11 or 6ft.
What you are suggesting is they would rather date us ......................then be ALONE. Well yeah, if you put it that way then if we are their best choice available then they will date us.
We will date FAT women, even OBESE women if they are the best available to us.
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5'11 Below average? Where do you live :D
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No , they dont. Again, I used to think that exact thing but it was a lie. Women will choose tall men over short men. This idea that a woman who will date a 5ft7 or 8 man when she has a choice of 6ft men is ridiculous. We would have to have several other advantages over the guy 5ft 11 or 6ft.
What you are suggesting is they would rather date us ......................then be ALONE. Well yeah, if you put it that way then if we are their best choice available then they will date us.
We will date FAT women, even OBESE women if they are the best available to us.
Damm, you are such a pathetic loser, don't spill around your bull . Women only really care about height when a guy is 5'6 or shorter. Height is not as important as you all make it out to be.
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Damm, you are such a pathetic loser, don't spill around your bullcrap. Women only really care about height when a guy is 5'6 or shorter. Height is not as important as you all make it out to be.
No you are a naive and uninformed man..he is right. We talking quality women and quality life we talking height.
We talking man looking women without make up?
Then yes height matters less then.
If that wasnt the case 50% of us would not have done this surgery.
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No you are a naive and uninformed man..he is right. We talking quality women and quality life we talking height.
We talking man looking women without make up?
Then yes height matters less then.
If that wasnt the case 50% of us would not have done this surgery.
Ok, my bad then. I'll let you insecure losers among yourselves then, sorry for destroying your "reality".
No one cares if you are 5'8 or 6' but I guess you all know better. You guys will never be happy, don't do LL, it won't help any of you and you will just waste that doctors time. Better go and cry in a corner with the tall insecure morons who are 180cm+ and still feel discriminated because they are short. Then you can tell each other why you don't get any pussy at all.
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Ok, my bad then. I'll let you insecure losers among yourselves then, sorry for destroying your "reality".
No one cares if you are 5'8 or 6' but I guess you all know better. You guys will never be happy, don't do LL, it won't help any of you and you will just waste that doctors time. Better go and cry in a corner with the tall insecure morons who are 180cm+ and still feel discriminated because they are short. Then you can tell each other why you don't get any pussy at all.
Lol you are just as insecure as i am. Yes i will laugh in the corner when im 5'11 and removed heightism from my reality.
You seriously dont know how perception wise tall people are to short or average people?
Time to expand your awarness.
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Damm, you are such a pathetic loser, don't spill around your bullcrap. Women only really care about height when a guy is 5'6 or shorter. Height is not as important as you all make it out to be.
Agreed. He wouldn't be the type of friends you would want to meet in person. Full of dark clouds and obstacles. People like this are only there to drag you down and remind you of your short-coming.
Here is a scenario.
Me: Hey, there are two chicks standing over there. I think we should hit on them.
Him: I feel kind of short today. Maybe today is not my day. Wait after I get LL.
Me: How about you just come with me? And I'll do all the talking.
Him: Actually, the one on the left looks kind of tall. Tall women would never like short me.
Me: How about you just put on some lifts?
... and as we're busy debating this, two other short guys went over and pick up those chicks.
No you are a naive and uninformed man..he is right. We talking quality women and quality life we talking height.
We talking man looking women without make up?
Then yes height matters less then.
If that wasnt the case 50% of us would not have done this surgery.
Yeah man, it sucks being short. But what can you do? You can just sit there and whine, or you can come out and make the best out of what you have. Life is not always perfect. There is always flaw and set-back. You choose to start life after your LL. But I'm starting and enjoying my life now and all the way up to my LL. LL is just an icing on the cake.
True, I don't have the life wisdom and am broke... even though I make $55k/year. But every day, I go out, on the subway, and if there is an opportunity, speak with one girl I find attractive. My record so far has been one quality contact per day on top of work, gym and school commitment.
Sorry to disappoint you. But I'm been following your comments for a while. You will be after LL as you are now. And your posts reflect the type of person you are. L****
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Agreed. He wouldn't be the type of friends you would want to meet in person. Full of dark clouds and obstacles. People like this are only there to drag you down and remind you of your short-coming.
Here is a scenario.
Me: Hey, there are two chicks standing over there. I think we should hit on them.
Him: I feel kind of short today. Maybe today is not my day. Wait after I get LL.
Me: How about you just come with me? And I'll do all the talking.
Him: Actually, the one on the left looks kind of tall. Tall women would never like short me.
Me: How about you just put on some lifts?
... and as we're busy debating this, two other short guys went over and pick up those chicks.
Yeah man, it sucks being short. But what can you do? You can just sit there and whine, or you can come out and make the best out of what you have. Life is not always perfect. There is always flaw and set-back. You choose to start life after your LL. But I'm starting and enjoying my life now and all the way up to my LL. LL is just an icing on the cake.
True, I don't have the life wisdom and am broke... even though I make $55k/year. But every day, I go out, on the subway, and if there is an opportunity, speak with one girl I find attractive. My record so far has been one quality contact per day on top of work, gym and school commitment.
Sorry to disappoint you. But I'm been following your comments for a while. You will be after LL as you are now. And your posts reflect the type of person you are. L****
Yep because everything is black and white. And your comment is more valid than mine. Anything else on your mind mr.freud?
Lets change it up for some perspective shall we?
If a fat man complained about his weight you all would put him down saying "if it was not his weight" it be something else.
Lord and behold this gentlemen found the gym 6 months after and is now 1 year later in amazing shape and has NO let me repeat that NO complaints in his life. Simply this obstacle was his downfall not his entire being.
But you dont get that because you never think and think its like in the tabloids with people going overboard with plastic surgerys like a sheep you soak that in. And you use that way of thinking everytime someone legit complains in order make sense of it.
You dont know crap and you are probably of the older generation in that case i cant blame you for your ignorance.
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How tall are you anyway?
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Lol you are just as insecure as i am. Yes i will laugh in the corner when im 5'11 and removed heightism from my reality.
You seriously dont know how perception wise tall people are to short or average people?
Time to expand your awarness and shut the fk up.
Damm, I almost feel sad for you. But whatever all of you say you are all wrong. Of course you will never realize that, but being around 5'9 is perfectly fine. It's sad that you guys think that's the reason you don't have a job or a girlfriend or whatever.
But hey better blame others then suicide I guess.
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Damm, I almost feel sad for you. But whatever all of you say you are all wrong. Of course you will never realize that, but being around 5'9 is perfectly fine. It's sad that you guys think that's the reason you don't have a job or a girlfriend or whatever.
But hey better blame others then suicide I guess.
How does it feel to focus on a dot every argument and make assumptions too?
I had multiple gf and jobs my first was at my dads company. So lets just day im set for life in that regard. But i want to pay for th surgery myself actually its already payed. Just waiting for the big day to come.
Why do you feel like you have to put others down who dont follow your way of thinking. Monkeys do that.
5'9 is nice for a introvert who does the same routine in life a calm life basically. But for extrovert who wants to life to the fullest without hinderence. Id say 5'10-5'11 is sufficient. But thats just me right.
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How does it feel to focus on a dot every argument and make assumptions too?
I had multiple gf and jobs my first was at my dads company. So lets just day im set for life in that regard. But i want to pay for th surgery myself actually its already payed. Just waiting for the big day to come.
Why do you feel like you have to put others down who dont follow your way of thinking. Monkeys do that.
5'9 is nice for a introvert who does the same routine in life until he witters away. But for extrovert who wants to life to the fullest without hinderence. Id say 5'10-5'11 is sufficient. But thats just me right.
The more and more you write the more I realize that you have serious problems, better invest that money into a psychiatrist and some meds. Would help you more.
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The more and more you write the more I realize that you have serious problems, better invest that money into a psychiatrist and some meds. Would help you more.
Ok whatever you narcissist.Hang tight there with those assumptions. They get you far in life.
Im not the first one trying to cool you down but hey you an angry individual.
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5'11 Below average? Where do you live :D
I live in an area called Lika in Croatia. the averge height here is about 178-179 if you look at the whole country but you should really see the people here in the dinaric alps, bunch of Brock Lesnar twins I swear.
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You dont know crap and you are probably of the older generation in that case i cant blame you for your ignorance.
Yeah, you're right. I don't understand what teenagers are going through these days and just realized that I have very little patients for kids.
I don't mean to disrespect you or put you down. That comment came off in a wrong way. Sorry.
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Ok whatever you narcissist.Hang tight there with those assumptions. They get you far in life.
Im not the first one trying to cool you down but hey you an angry individual.
the guy has got in a fight with every member on this forum about how he's cause for doing LL is just but others and their reasons are insecure losers, I dont know what his problem is and I dont care. Just ignore him and share experiences with the rest of the forum members who wont call you any names but instead will offer you support and honest opinions. ;)
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the guy has got in a fight with every member on this forum about how he's cause for doing LL is just but others and their reasons are insecure losers, I dont know what his problem is and I dont care. Just ignore him and share experiences with the rest of the forum members who wont call you any names but instead will offer you support and honest opinions. ;)
Not my reasons. I didn't make them up. Go and ask every orthopedic, they will tell you the same, except the guys who make mad money with people like you, which is unethical.
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i read the average is 185.6 cm in the dinaric alps , kunta kinte, and 183 cm in montenegro :o :D
have you ever visited the dinaric alps?Why are the "dinarics" much taller than the national average
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i read the average is 185.6 cm in the dinaric alps , kunta kinte, and 183 cm in montenegro :o :D
have you ever visited the dinaric alps?Why are the "dinarics" much taller than the national average
I havent visited, I live there xD
I dont know why are people here taller(girls have bigger boobs also but are not as attractive as "big city" girls).
also, I think that the averages on the internet are dated, I dont know if youve ever been to montenegro, serbia, southern croatia or bosnia for that matter but the people here are huge, not necessarily monster tall( my asumption would be 183 average for all the countrys mentioned when combined) but built like monsters.
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I havent visited, I live there xD
I dont know why are people here taller(girls have bigger boobs also but are not as attractive as "big city" girls).
also, I think that the averages on the internet are dated, I dont know if youve ever been to montenegro, serbia, southern croatia or bosnia for that matter but the people here are huge, not necessarily monster tall( my asumption would be 183 average for all the countrys mentioned when combined) but built like monsters.
and how do you feel there, average, below average, short?
I just think it's genetics, for instance in germany the average heigght for 20-30 years old men is 180-181 cm, but in hamburg, people are much taller http://www.menshealth.de/sixcms/media.php/37/Mens_Health_Fettatlas_2008.pdf
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and how do you feel there, average, below average, short?
I just think it's genetics, for instance in germany the average heigght for 20-30 years old men is 180-181 cm, but in hamburg, people are much taller http://www.menshealth.de/sixcms/media.php/37/Mens_Health_Fettatlas_2008.pdf
I feel a little below average, only on a few ocasions didi I feel really short. My girlfriend is my height xD
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Germanic Europeans (with the exception of England) are generally taller than most people in the world. Many of them were hunters and had fewer children hence they became larger than the Europeans who mostly worked on the farm and were fed corn and other vegetables.
Height is mostly to do with lineage more than genetics if you think about it.
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I live in an area called Lika in Croatia. the averge height here is about 178-179 if you look at the whole country but you should really see the people here in the dinaric alps, bunch of Brock Lesnar twins I swear.
The Dinaric Alps have the tallest people in the world. Men are 6'1 on average.
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The Dinaric Alps have the tallest people in the world. Men are 6'1 on average.
Yeah I know, when I was mentioning 178-9 maybe even 180 I was talking about my national average. The dinaric alps take a small amount od croatia's surface.
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nonsense.
coco lee's wife is CEO. he's living the high life. he's top 30 CEO. name is bruce rockowitz.
he's only probably 5'7
im now 5'9 and probably going on to 5'11 or 6' but im just stating the truth
height is not THAT important.
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nonsense.
coco lee's wife is CEO. he's living the high life. he's top 30 CEO. name is bruce rockowitz.
he's only probably 5'7
im now 5'9 and probably going on to 5'11 or 6' but im just stating the truth
height is not THAT important.
stop contradict yourself. Just say that im right.
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I live in an area called Lika in Croatia. the averge height here is about 178-179 if you look at the whole country but you should really see the people here in the dinaric alps, bunch of Brock Lesnar twins I swear.
Not in body type? bosnian and crotians etc, are more of ectomorph in structure like my buddy, Long legs & short torso. Mind you that this is the exact body type of brock lesnar. But the balkans are skinny people.
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nonsense.
coco lee's wife is CEO. he's living the high life. he's top 30 CEO. name is bruce rockowitz.
he's only probably 5'7
im now 5'9 and probably going on to 5'11 or 6' but im just stating the truth
height is not THAT important.
I have to slightly disagree; height is important, but being tall isn't that important.
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the dumbest arguments in the world.
this girl (girl x) is super fuken fat and she is rich and models for plus size women, so who cares if your fat because she (girl x) achieved success.
dumbest argument on the face of the planet.......
height and being fat influence probability. we are increasing height to make probability for an easy life work in our favor.
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my friend says maybe height is not linked directly to job status. he says maybe those taler people have better nutrition means they come from richer families hence they end up with beter jobs or more money. how knows? :D
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Well, my ex girlfriend always say that looks doesn't matter. It's what on the inside that counts. And that's what I believe.
You can believe anything you want, even if the world is against you because of your height or the government is after you and people don't like you, etc. Nobody can argue with that. I like to believe that people can look past a person's superficiality and see the inside for what really counts.
If you want someone to be nice to you, treat them with kindness and respect. It worked for me.
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Well, my ex girlfriend always say that looks doesn't matter. It's what on the inside that counts. And that's what I believe.
You can believe anything you want, even if the world is against you because of your height or the government is after you and people don't like you, etc. Nobody can argue with that. I like to believe that people can look past a person's superficiality and see the inside for what really counts.
If you want someone to be nice to you, treat them with kindness and respect. It worked for me.
Looks matter when it comes to women don't care what you believe. Personality is what matters when it comes to men but height is one of the few vanities that society puts pressure on men.
Women it's a lot more like shave you legs, be fit, have a pretty face, wear make up but height is
something women can afford to be inadequate in (unless she's diminuative of course then maybe she'll be discriminated against like 4'10" or below.) I don't expect a supermodel girlfriend but looks are more important to me than personality.
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nonsense.
coco lee's wife is CEO. he's living the high life. he's top 30 CEO. name is bruce rockowitz.
he's only probably 5'7
im now 5'9 and probably going on to 5'11 or 6' but im just stating the truth
height is not THAT important.
I understand what you are saying . However, you are using the exception to the rule and pretending it defeats the rule.
I used to tell myself things like this because I had no choice.
Much like guys with small penis' tell themselves size doesnt matter. It does matter. Just like a fat girl says her weight doesnt matter. It matters.
Dont get me wrong. At 5ft7 I have been a relative success in my life. House, wife, daughter , business. However, anyone can have those things with the proper attitude towards life. Height is not required.
However, its the basic fact we have to work harder for all of those things simply because of the size of our skeleton. Its ridiculous from an intellectual point of view isn't it?
But its the fact. So instead of telling ourselves more lies to appease ourselves, just do the damn operations and get it over with. Then we dont have to think about it anymore and can go on with our lives.
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I know exactly what you mean, and by simply slipping on lifts / elevator shoes, you immediately notice the difference in the way you get treated. Yes it is true.
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I know exactly what you mean, and by simply slipping on lifts / elevator shoes, you immediately notice the difference in the way you get treated. Yes it is true.
its true, when i go from 174 cm to 180 cm using elevator shoes, yea im treated diff.
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Well, my ex girlfriend always say that looks doesn't matter. It's what on the inside that counts. And that's what I believe.
You can believe anything you want, even if the world is against you because of your height or the government is after you and people don't like you, etc. Nobody can argue with that. I like to believe that people can look past a person's superficiality and see the inside for what really counts.
If you want someone to be nice to you, treat them with kindness and respect. It worked for me.
human nature is such that people at first look at outside and only look @ inside after they know u btr.
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it's true. I've never wanted to be tall and get girls interested in me solely because my height turned them on, I want them interested in who I am. I just want average, give me 5'9.5 or a flat 5'10 to make height a nonissue where you don't think hey he's the tall guy or he's the short, I'm just ME. I want my height to neither detract nor add to my personality, looks etc. I want it to be neutral. Sure being 5'11 and higher has the advantage of being more imposing and whatever but I really don't need that.
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it's true. I've never wanted to be tall and get girls interested in me solely because my height turned them on, I want them interested in who I am. I just want average, give me 5'9.5 or a flat 5'10 to make height a nonissue where you don't think hey he's the tall guy or he's the short, I'm just ME. I want my height to neither detract nor add to my personality, looks etc. I want it to be neutral. Sure being 5'11 and higher has the advantage of being more imposing and whatever but I really don't need that.
I agree with this. Being short has held me back. I don't need to be tall and receive the benefits that come with it. I just don't want the negatives of being short.
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I agree with this. Being short has held me back. I don't need to be tall and receive the benefits that come with it. I just don't want the negatives of being short.
Exactlyyyy. And I neither want to get a superiority complex and think I'm better than everyone else because I have extra height, which I'll admit would be easy to pick up. Instead I try my absolute best to be the best of friends and understanding of other shorter guys. They go through crap they certainly don't deserve.
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Exactlyyyy. And I neither want to get a superiority complex and think I'm better than everyone else because I have extra height, which I'll admit would be easy to pick up. Instead I try my absolute best to be the best of friends and understanding of other shorter guys. They go through crap they certainly don't deserve.
Yeah whenever I see someone shorter than me, I'm 167cm, I feel bad. Especially when they are 5'4" or less. I have had to deal with a lot of crap but probably much less compared to a guy who is 5'2". But thankfully we can break our legs, stretch them, spend months in recovery all while spending thousands of dollars for this. ;)
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Exactlyyyy. And I neither want to get a superiority complex and think I'm better than everyone else because I have extra height, which I'll admit would be easy to pick up. Instead I try my absolute best to be the best of friends and understanding of other shorter guys. They go through crap they certainly don't deserve.
no .