Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Height & Proportions => Topic started by: ReadRothbard on January 26, 2015, 06:20:53 AM
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I vote for about 6'0 to 6'1 (for the United States). It's taller than average, but not so tall to be outside of normal. What do you think?
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I vote 5"11, just a personal preference through experience, considering I live in relatively diverse areas.
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it depends where you live. In US, 6' and above is ideal because of that number "6". For the rest of the world, 5'11 or 1m8 is ideal.
I am not sure about women in Germany or Netherland, but in France and southern European countries, many times I heard women say that 1m8 and above is ideal. There is no such thing as an absolute ideal, but if you are over 1m8, I feel like you could travel anywhere in the world without being called short. Thats good enough for me.
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That seems about right.
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Mine is 6ft 2. Its the tallest I would want to be but at 5ft 7 I would need 7 inches so I will settle for 6ft 1
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I also think it's 1.80. The average in my country is 1.72, but I travel a lot and at 1.80 I would feel great pretty much anywhere. So my vote goes for 1.80 (which is also my target).
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5'10 for me. Taller than that and it becomes more difficult to pack on the muscle enough to look solid.
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Between 190-195CM is perfect but anything between 185-200CM is good.
If I could pick I'd wanna be 194-196 assuming I would have good proportions still.
I wouldn't lengthen more than 10CM total though because I think proportions are important and 188-9CM is definitely tall enough for me.
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Actually I would say 5'9"... Not too big, not too small. 1.75 m is just like a meter and a 3/4 of it. 2 meters could be great but it is just way too tall.
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6´1 is the best male height
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Between 1.90-1,95? OMG. I am a girl and I don't think so! Maybe in Sweden and other Scandinavian countries, where there are many girls who are 1.75 and taller, it's possible, but not in Southern Europe.
The average height required for male models is between 1.83 and 1.90, but, from my point of view, that's too much. I would avoid dating men as tall as that, because they would make me feel "petite", even if I am not petite, or won't be anymore, because I will be 1.70 after LL.
From an aesthetic perspective, I find that 1.83 is very appealing. My brother is 1.83 and women are mad at him, since he is also very handsome (green eyes, brown hair, athletic build...), but I don't like standing next to him, because, at my original height of 1.64, I feel short. After LL that will be OK. ;)
Finally, I would like to say that, contrary to your beliefs, there are beautiful women for whom height is not as important as you indicate. I don’t wanna lie: being tall is important to make a girl feel protected and many girls wouldn't date men who are shorter or the same height than them. But if you have other qualities, anything within average is OK. You don’t need to be 1.80 or 1.90.
I've always wondered this: would a guy's height matter if he was strong. For example, Ed Coan was only 5'6, but he was the strongest man in the world during his lifting career.
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Between 1.90-1,95? OMG...
I am from sweden actually.
Why do you think 183CM+ is too much?
From what I understand most women want to feel like a shrimp next to their boyfriend. If you think 183CM is too tall then you won't like swedish men very much.
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all the people that i see who are 190 or more looks really weird. they have freak proportions
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all the people that i see who are 190 or more looks really weird. they have freak proportions
We'll all be even freakier after we've lengthened our legs.
Also don't think that's true at all, I see a lot of people that height who look just like everyone else only bigger.
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We'll all be even freakier after we've lengthened our legs.
Also don't think that's true at all, I see a lot of people that height who look just like everyone else only bigger.
it depends on how much you lengthen, most people with short height that do leg lengthening has better proportions even than those natural 190+
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Greatest to least likelihood of getting women according to the man's height, based on articles I've read that were published by dating sites (and some "gap filling" to make a clear breakdown):
1. 6'
2. 6' 1"
3. 6' 2"
4. 6' 3"
5. 5' 11"
6. 5' 10"
7. 6' 4"
8. 6' 5"
9. 5' 9"
10. 5' 8"
11. 6' 6" and above
12. 5' 7" and below
Ok, so what's happening here... Women tend to prefer males that are 8 inches taller than them. Since the average female height is 5' 4", the preferred male height is 6'. After that, women will still prefer a taller guy to someone who is under 6', but after a certain point, they get "too tall" (after 6' 3"), at which point women prefer the taller than avg men (5' 10" and 5' 11") to the "too tall group". Finally, women prefer the avg height guys (5' 8 to 5' 10") to the very tall guys (over 6' 5"), and prefer the very tall guys to the short guys (under 5' 7")...
This scale is not confirmed by any source, but I inferred this scale based on numerous articles that I've read
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I would say the sweet spot (that is realistic for most lengtheners) is that 5' 10" to 5' 11" range, followed by 5' 8" to 5' 9"
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I would say the sweet spot (that is realistic for most lengtheners) is that 5' 10" to 5' 11" range, followed by 5' 8" to 5' 9"
I second this^ 80% of guys who are 5ft11 out there would lie anyway and say that they are 6'. My friend who is a legit 5'11 with well built muscles got more respects and attentions from girls than any of those clumsy 6'1 guys around. Thats why I don't understand when people try to risk their healths and money just to get to that "majesty" number of 6'. It is just a number. For this, I blame on US government and their failed attempt to convert to metric system like the rest of the world. If that ever happened, I am pretty sure that people in this forum will start talking about 1m8 more than anything else Lol.
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You all are trying to convince yourselves, its clearly anything from 6'0 to 6'4. Since when 5'9 is better than 6'4?
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I second this^ 80% of guys who are 5ft11 out there would lie anyway and say that they are 6'. My friend who is a legit 5'11 with well built muscles got more respects and attentions from girls than any of those clumsy 6'1 guys around. Thats why I don't understand when people try to risk their healths and money just to get to that "majesty" number of 6'. It is just a number. For this, I blame on US government and their failed attempt to convert to metric system like the rest of the world. If that ever happened, I am pretty sure that people in this forum will start talking about 1m8 more than anything else Lol.
true, but I can reach 6'0 with 2 inches, so why not
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At 5"6, I can grow my hair to make myself "gain" an inch. With one surgery, I can gain 3 inches, and with lifts, I can gain about 3 inches, making me 6"1.
Really all that matters is the surroundings and one's original starting height. Even though Akash Shukla post op was only 5"2, he became an ideal man regardless.
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You all are trying to convince yourselves, its clearly anything from 6'0 to 6'4. Since when 5'9 is better than 6'4?
A massive study done in the 1970s proved that those of medium height (5'9-5'11) were far more attractive than those of tall (6'1-6'4) or short (5'5-5'7) height.
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A massive study done in the 1970s proved that those of medium height (5'9-5'11) were far more attractive than those of tall (6'1-6'4) or short (5'5-5'7) height.
Considering the study was done over 40 years ago, some things might have changed, but I could never agree more.
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You all are trying to convince yourselves, its clearly anything from 6'0 to 6'4. Since when 5'9 is better than 6'4?
O yeah? I bet 80% of women would take UFC fighters GSP or Connor McGregor over any of the 6' 4" 6' 5" fighters such as stephan bonner, Jon Jones, junior dos Santos, or alistair overeem
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For most women, height wouldn't matter in that case. But it is not only strength that matters. If you are powerful, height is not important (provided you are not too short).
hm , i dont agree with that, i think height is important for aesthetic, thats the most important thing. you could be a bodybuilder at 5´6 lifting 400 lbs in bench press but you wouldnt be aesthetic. height allways matters.
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true, but I can reach 6'0 with 2 inches, so why not
If you could get to 6' by gaining 2 more inches, I think you get the most benefits out of LL.
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Yes, yes..., but I am not talking about the Mr. Universe pageant. I am talking about dating. The requirements are not the same. For a pageant you need to be aesthetically pleasing, which means being both tall and strong. For dating it is not so evident. What would women prefer: 1) a tall (not strong) guy, 2) a strong (not tall) guy or 3) a tall and strong guy? Most women would chose the third option. But are you sure women would prefer the first option over the second option? I am not sure...
it depends on the height of the man and the height of the woman.
i think that an average height woman of 5´5 will prefer a 6 foot not strong guy than a 5´6 strong guy.
a 5´6 strong guy looks fat with clothing . at 6´0 if the man is Slim he will have an Slim silhouette, that thing will never happen if you are very short.
body muscle mass isnt an important thing in dating, the important thing is being tall and Slim.
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That's possible, but I haven't seen a study dealing with the same parameters since then.
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it depends on the height of the man and the height of the woman.
i think that an average height woman of 5´5 will prefer a 6 foot not strong guy than a 5´6 strong guy.
a 5´6 strong guy looks fat with clothing . at 6´0 if the man is Slim he will have an Slim silhouette, that thing will never happen if you are very short.
body muscle mass isnt an important thing in dating, the important thing is being tall and Slim.
slim silhouette makes you look taller , also if u have a good looking face being strong might ruin your appeal
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The funny thing is, you could be shorter than average and not be perceived as "short" if you have a slim build. But it's all about how you perceive yourself.
Take my dad for example. He is slightly below 5'11, but he gets perceived as tall quite a bit, because his weight is below average for his height and he has long legs, also wears clothes that make him appear like he is 6'.
I have a friend who is at least a full inch taller than my dad, but he doesn't appear as tall for some reason. He still looks very young which could be something. Although when it comes to stuff like the gym, height doesn't really matter as much as natural body shape. Obviously I would look like an ugly person if I tried to get over-ripped.
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Ideal one is 6'3" to have the biggest dating pool while at the same time not being too long for your bed, toilet and I estimated most houses where I live to be tall enough.
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Ideal one is 6'3" to have the biggest dating pool while at the same time not being too long for your bed, toilet and I estimated most houses where I live to be tall enough.
Are you sure? I've heard from plenty of short women that it can be very inconvenient if their boyfriends are taller than 6'1 or so.
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I agree, and I am not so short... (1.64<1.70, after LL).
Lol
So, why do you want to get ll?
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this is very true.. i asked many people and they say above 1.83 is too tall.. they think it is difficult to date someone taller than that. so 6 feet is the ideal.
only one girl said that she does not mind 1.90-2.00 metres but that is probably because she is 1.77
it seems for most girls, as long as u are above 173-175, its good. 178-183 is the sweet spot, it is a bonus.
this is speaking from a country where the average is 173-ish
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Where are you from ItsMyLife?
I think 180 is the perfect height IMHO. But in my country 173 is also average. I'm living in the UK now and I feel short, everyone here seems to be around 176-190
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Where are you from ItsMyLife?
I think 180 is the perfect height IMHO. But in my country 173 is also average. I'm living in the UK now and I feel short, everyone here seems to be around 176-190
singapore..
but i think the younger generation the average seems (to me) to be 175, as agreed by some other guys..
statistics wise a large group of 18 year olds had an average of 172.4, that was done 6 years back.
and most people still can grow from 18, so i would guess the youngster average at least 173-174.
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I'm not interested in dating. I only want to be more beautiful. Height is beauty: at 1.70 I will be more beautiful.
same here.. dating is a plus..i just dont wanan feel short
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anyway i think even for non-dating purposes there is a point of "too tall"... i mean i wouldnt employ someone too tall.. its too intimidating. .especially when ur the boss. if i were 181-2 cm, i dont mind someone 185 cm + max.
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same here.. dating is a plus..i just dont wanan feel short
Same here.
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Are you sure? I've heard from plenty of short women that it can be very inconvenient if their boyfriends are taller than 6'1 or so.
I pretended to be a 6'3" once in a dating site and it went well, the tall girls were going crazy and flirty and none rejected me ( I didn't try to seduce them further because I closed the fake account after a few days ). Those days were more fun than the entire months I spent in my real account getting the bad treatment.
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I pretended to be a 6'3" once in a dating site and it went well, the tall girls were going crazy and flirty and none rejected me ( I didn't try to seduce them further because I closed the fake account after a few days ). Those days were more fun than the entire months I spent in my real account getting the bad treatment.
Really? I should try that.
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The ideal male height in 7th grade is 5'8" so you are taller than the kids and you can date some older chicks from other groups in school.
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Really? I should try that.
You shouldn't try that.
I have. Yeah you'll get more attention and more dates. But if you lie about your height by 8 inches how pissed off do you think the girls will be.
You probably won't get many second dates.
Imagine if you show up to meet a 9 or 10 and her pics have been photoshopped and she's a 3 by your standards. You gonna f*ck her anyway??
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You shouldn't try that.
I have. Yeah you'll get more attention and more dates. But if you lie about your height by 8 inches how pissed off do you think the girls will be.
You probably won't get many second dates.
Imagine if you show up to meet a 9 or 10 and her pics have been photoshopped and she's a 3 by your standards. You gonna f*ck her anyway??
I actually used someone elses photo from internet free stock photos and pretended to be 6'3" in another account with a different user name it wasn't be being me it was me being someone else. My advice is to never add inches to your real account unless you wear elevator shoes in which case you are allowed.
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I put 5" on my profile, and the dates went well because the women were even more excited when they had to look up to me.
"Guess it was a typo" xD
But in all seriousness, never lie about your height because that not only shows your insecurities, but that you're a liar too.
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But in all seriousness, never lie about your height because that not only shows your insecurities, but that you're a liar too.
But... but... you must also be kinda confident and reckless to lie that you're 8" taller and then actually show up for the date, that's hilarious! Like... 'oops, you didn't expect this?'
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I put 5" on my profile, and the dates went well because the women were even more excited when they had to look up to me.
"Guess it was a typo" xD
But in all seriousness, never lie about your height because that not only shows your insecurities, but that you're a liar too.
You are a liar for just lying once? Then we are all liars that can't be trusted. :P
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But... but... you must also be kinda confident and reckless to lie that you're 8" taller and then actually show up for the date, that's hilarious! Like... 'oops, you didn't expect this?'
Yeah haha that was the main reason why I did that, but I believe that it wouldn't make too much of a difference if we were of the same height.
You are a liar for just lying once? Then we are all liars that can't be trusted. :P
Let me revise that - Lying is completely normal, but women can be really picky at times and can pull that out as an "excuse" to make things go "her way."
But really, women who do that are immature, and I don't invest my time driving in circles.
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Like a shrimp? Really? OMG! No, no...
Think a lot of women would say otherwise.
Anyway, like someone said, I mostly want to be taller to not feel short anymore. I am the shortest in my famiily by 8CM and the second shortest (dad) is also a bit behind everyone else. I'm also one of the shortest out of my friends at the university and I feel tiny when I walk around town.
That being said -everyone in scandinavia isn't 190+. I would say most men below 60 is somewhere between 180-190CM. It is pretty rare to see someone above 195CM or below 170CM. When enjoying the nightlife in Stockholm it feels like everyone is 187CM or taller, I don't know what it is with the clubs/bars at night -maybe people wear lifts?
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That means you're going to have to wear lifts, too, my friend.
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Think a lot of women would say otherwise.
Anyway, like someone said, I mostly want to be taller to not feel short anymore. I am the shortest in my famiily by 8CM and the second shortest (dad) is also a bit behind everyone else. I'm also one of the shortest out of my friends at the university and I feel tiny when I walk around town.
That being said -everyone in scandinavia isn't 190+. I would say most men below 60 is somewhere between 180-190CM. It is pretty rare to see someone above 195CM or below 170CM. When enjoying the nightlife in Stockholm it feels like everyone is 187CM or taller, I don't know what it is with the clubs/bars at night -maybe people wear lifts?
in korea the average is supposedly 173 (young army enlistees) but somehow i walk at night on streets, in night areas, the aveaage is 178. i think lifts.
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I have a new question: which is the ideal female height? Opinions, please. :)
To me (and I think the vast majority of men) it doesn't matter at all except that we might feel slightly awkward being with a woman bigger than ourselves.
Overall maybe 165-175 is a good range, you won't feel too short/tall, clothes will fit, there will be plenty of guys taller than you and you will rarely be too short/tall to do anything.
If you're above 180 or below 160CM you might be treated differently because of your height -for better or worse, mostly for the worse.
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I have a new question: which is the ideal female height? Opinions, please. :)
1,70m , less than 1,60 is too short and over 1,72 too tall
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165-175, preferring 165-170 more than 170-175
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My height--plus or minus a few inches (about two). It makes kissing, cuddling, holding hands, dancing, etc. easier.
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I would say 188 cm
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If u were 6'ft at your lowest what would you claim?
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If u were 6'ft at your lowest what would you claim?
claim 6ft what else?
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I believe that most would claim 6'1
I am 182.5cm at Night and I just claim 183 cm
tell girls you are 6'1" and be honest the rest of the time ;D
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Will do that
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claim 6ft what else?
well I should be technically 6'.5 in the morning, but claiming your height precisely will make you sound like a smart ass, so rounding up avoids you unnecessary problems
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I meant as an experiment. I'm not going to stick my dck in a woman who's that self-entitled and stupid.
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claim 6ft what else?
No, you say you're 6'2. Most women can't tell the difference, anyways.
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lol at the girl who believe 170 cm is short in scandinavia.
The tallest people are the dutch
The average height there is is 183 cm for a man in his twenties and 170 cm for a girl.
But i would never live in this country, not matter what, unless i was proposed 5000 euros per month
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I have a new question: which is the ideal female height? Opinions, please. :)
From my experience I heard a few girls get tall comments at 5'6" so with 5'5" as a woman nobody would call you tall or too short and you can be picky about men's height but that's not the right thing to do. Trust me 5'5" have the biggest dating pool.
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My preference is from 5'4 - 5'8, but I'd date taller or shorter.
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lol at the girl who believe 170 cm is short in scandinavia.
The tallest people are the dutch
The average height there is is 183 cm for a man in his twenties and 170 cm for a girl.
But i would never live in this country, not matter what, unless i was proposed 5000 euros per month
We all know the dutch are infamous as being very tall. At 188CM there is no place where you would be considered short though -except at the basketball league I guess.
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I have to say, though, that I don't think men care that much about height. It would probably be as important as what a guy's ears look like or something to a woman.
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Yes I barely reflected on it at all until about a year ago. I could barely care less how tall a woman is, only if she is taller than me or much shorter do I notice.
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Me? Why LOL? Haha... Not true?
Yes, but I am on my phone, so I was not able to quote since
your post I was referring to was on the first or the second page
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I am very happy to hear your comments, guys. It seems that I'm OK now, but I will get the perfect height after LL. :)
good luck.
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lots of coping distorting reality in this thread. i cba to argue about this cus im up against your defence mechanisms so it would take ages but take in what i said and realise its true.
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lots of coping distorting reality in this thread. i cba to argue about this cus im up against your defence mechanisms so it would take ages but take in what i said and realise its true.
English motherf***** do you speak it?
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English motherf***** do you speak it?
so funny
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so funny
lol I thought you might not get the reference.
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The average height required for male models is between 1.83 and 1.90, but, from my point of view, that's too much
how much is that in centimeters or inches?
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I've actually read that it's from 1.78 meters (5'10) to 1.88 meters (6'2). That's also pretty similar to the average heights for male strippers, also. Most of the guys I work with are about 1.78 m to 1.85 cm, and rarely are they over 1.85-1.88 cm. I've actually worked with some guys whom were only 1.68 m to 1.73 m tall.
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I've actually read that it's from 1.78 meters (5'10) to 1.88 meters (6'2). That's also pretty similar to the average heights for male strippers, also. Most of the guys I work with are about 1.78 m to 1.85 cm, and rarely are they over 1.85-1.88 cm. I've actually worked with some guys whom were only 1.68 m to 1.73 m tall.
Can male strippers wear tall shoes or do those have to be removed in the stripper dance?
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Can male strippers wear tall shoes or do those have to be removed in the stripper dance?
I usually wear boots, which put me at about 5'9. Most of the time I also put in 2" (5 cm) lifts in my shoes to put me slightly under 5'11. It varies from entertainer to entertainer, but I'd say most of us shorter ones tend to wear boots or shoes with lifts.
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I usually wear boots, which put me at about 5'9. Most of the time I also put in 2" (5 cm) lifts in my shoes to put me slightly under 5'11. It varies from entertainer to entertainer, but I'd say most of us shorter ones tend to wear boots or shoes with lifts.
Are all male strippers muscular?
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Yeah, it is a prerequisite.
If you are looking to be a stripper, and you need to get muscular and/or lose fat quickly, I recommend taking dianabol and/or trenbolone. You can then cycle off once you've reached the level of musculature you desire.
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Yeah, it is a prerequisite.
If you are looking to be a stripper, and you need to get muscular and/or lose fat quickly, I recommend taking dianabol and/or trenbolone. You can then cycle off once you've reached the level of musculature you desire.
Bitch you stupid. Dont take steroids to stripp...is this real life? What about space travel or removing the current system that is wrecking everyones soul little by little. and when you go off cycle you keep 0% of what you gained while you went on so.
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Bitch you stupid. Dont take steroids to stripp...is this real life? What about space travel or removing the current system that is wrecking everyones soul little by little. and when you go off cycle you keep 0% of what you gained while you went on so.
What's so outrageous about steroids? I don't take them, personally, but it is impossible to deny their effectiveness.
And, no; you don't lose everything when you cycle off.
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Slim_tim who has schizophrenia and gets mad at everything
ReadRothbard who has asperger and it's impossible to change his mind when he's wrong
LittleWhiteMan who did drugs
And others with severe problems
I think we can all agree that this forum is the worst when it comes to social/attraction information
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Slim_tim who has schizophrenia and gets mad at everything
ReadRothbard who has asperger and it's impossible to change his mind when he's wrong
LittleWhiteMan who did drugs
And others with severe problems
I think we can all agree that this forum is the worst when it comes to social/attraction information
Yes, rarely have I seen weirder discussions. Some people on here seem to use the "alpha"/"beta" ideas not realizing that it's just an internet joke. I saw someone talking about "going gay" -hope he was just messing around.
I also hear people call 185CM a "pathetic height" while simultaneously writing that 188-194CM is the "ideal range". I really think people on here should get out more.
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Musicmaker
The average height for a young girl:
-Norway:167 cm
-Denmark:168 cm
-Sweden:168-169 cm
170 cm is from slightly above average to strong average
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Musicmaker
The average height for a young girl:
-Norway:167 cm
-Denmark:168 cm
-Sweden:168-169 cm
170 cm is from slightly above average to strong average
Seems about right, would estimate that most girls are between 160-177CM
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I have a new question: which is the ideal female height? Opinions, please. :)
when it comes to female I'm not sure if there is such a thing!
like you shouldn't be too short and by that I mean (5'3 and less) , nor too tall (5'8 and more).
most probably guys will gonna say your height is the ideal if they liked ya
girls on the other hand will going to shoot holes in you whatever your height is ..
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Hi, Disobedient! Nice to see another girl in this forum! :)
Do guys say that your height is ideal if they like you? My boyfriend likes very tall girls (5'9) and says I'm short. >:(
eh ! 5'9
maybe he just enjoying teasing you? .. or he like it but it's not that much important to him as you think so back to first point, he is just teasing you
I believe I read you're 5'5 or 5'6 .. 3 inches heel always an option
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Hi, Disobedient! Nice to see another girl in this forum! :)
Do guys say that your height is ideal if they like you? My boyfriend likes very tall girls (5'9) and says I'm short. >:(
And what's exactly the meaning of "shooting holes"? Don't you believe in female solidarity? ???
here is a scenario I always hear ..
x (5'5): oh I hate my height if I was just little bit taller
Y: you kidding your height is amazing, but if you were just 2 inches taller you'll definitely way more beautiful.
x( 5'7): what do you think about me and my height is this heel is too much ..
Y: no you're absolutely gorgeous honey .. but I think if you were 2 inches shorter the heel would be suite you much more ..
there is no end of that .. !
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hey Diso , which is the minimum height of a male that you consider to date?
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I almost always wear 3 inches or higher heels... Not enough! Because taller girls also wear high heels.
how often ? like I would imagine they wear it so rarely..
if a 5'9 wear 3 inches heel , she would be about 5'11 .. I'm sure she would probably hear some comments about that from guys 5'10 and shorter ..
are you considering modeling career .. it's my question to you.. it's also a question you may heard if you wear 3inches heel and become 5'11
I've been around European guys when I was in Dubai .. and I never have been across a guy who consider a girl could be less attractive if she was a little short..
they would go on and on about your weight though and your body shape.. but height!! it was never on their priority .. at least that's what I think
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here is a scenario I always hear ..
x (5'5): oh I hate my height if I was just little bit taller
Y: you kidding your height is amazing, but if you were just 2 inches taller you'll definitely way more beautiful.
x( 5'7): what do you think about me and my height is this heel is too much ..
Y: no you're absolutely gorgeous honey .. but I think if you were 2 inches shorter the heel would be suite you much more ..
there is no end of that .. !
so 5´6 is your best option haha
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hey Diso , which is the minimum height of a male that you consider to date?
I'd be more comfortable with guys taller than me in general , and since I'm still short it's kinda impossible to find male shorter than me ;D
so 5´6 is your best option haha
ah no, there is always something to say even for 5'6 girls..
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how often ? like I would imagine they wear it so rarely.. -> in parties and events where everybody wants to appear more beautiful. :(
if a 5'9 wear 3 inches heel , she would be about 5'11 .. I'm sure she would probably hear some comments about that from guys 5'10 and shorter .. -> True
are you considering modeling career .. it's my question to you.. it's also a question you may heard if you wear 3inches heel and become 5'11-> It's a question I have always been hearing, but at 5'4-5'5 I am only tall enough for phothoshoots and for local catwalks. After LL, I am sure I will receive more offers for major catwalks, but I'm not sure if I want to pursue that path. I am not doing LL for modelling -that would be stupid-, but for being more beautiful. If this means getting more modelling jobs, nice! But that's not my main objective. Besides, I'm not young enough.
I've been around European guys when I was in Dubai .. and I never have been across a guy who consider a girl could be less attractive if she was a little short.. they would go on and on about your weight though and your body shape.. but height!! it was never on their priority .. at least that's what I think -> True. No guy has told me I'm short (except for my boyfriend, who has that strange fixation with girls over 5'9). Some people in the modelling industry have also told me that I'm not tall enough for catwalks, but that has never happened to me when dating.
If you think it will make you more beautiful and more confidence about yourself then just do it, you have to star reading real materials about ll it's method and some patients' experiences as well that will give you clear idea about LL.
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i would say 5'9 to 5'10 is a great height. It keeps extremely shallow heightist bitches at bay. The best chicks are the ones who honestly do not care how tall you are as long as you are taller than them not a ridiculous amount of them but definitely the kind of people you want to attract in your life. The sweet spot of 5'8 to 5'10 is that you can easily put on muscle mass, live healthier/longer, and youthful look while typically being 4 inches taller than girls. Plus girls who are 5'1 to 5'5 are the sexiest usually.
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i would say 5'9 to 5'10 is a great height. It keeps extremely shallow heightist bitches at bay. The best chicks are the ones who honestly do not care how tall you are as long as you are taller than them not a ridiculous amount of them but definitely the kind of people you want to attract in your life. The sweet spot of 5'8 to 5'10 is that you can easily put on muscle mass, live healthier/longer, and youthful look while typically being 4 inches taller than girls. Plus girls who are 5'1 to 5'5 are the sexiest usually.
At 5'11" you still won't attract the " heightist bitches" and you will have an etra leg/advantage over more men and you can live a wonderful life ( 1 inch won't reduce lifespan to the extent that can be noticed ). 5'8" is meh, 5'9" is the true so called average.
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why would you live longer when you are shorter? wasn't it said tall men have less cardio-vascular issues? but short men have a protective gene that gives them a longer lifespan (but u cant change ur genes with surgery)...
so if you did LL, it seems you have short genes (better lifespan) and greater cardiovascular stability.
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why would you live longer when you are shorter? wasn't it said tall men have less cardio-vascular issues? but short men have a protective gene that gives them a longer lifespan (but u cant change ur genes with surgery)...
so if you did LL, it seems you have short genes (better lifespan) and greater cardiovascular stability.
Your heart will be short but require to pump more blood in a surgically altered body.
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Your heart will be short but require to pump more blood in a surgically altered body.
Yup I thought about that too.
But the heart muscle can grow stronger just as it does when you do a lot of sports. Your heartrate decreases. Mine went down to 60 after a few years of sports.
HR goes down cos' your heart muscles are stronger, and vessels are less rigid as well.
I would say that the effect is negligible if you work out frequently.
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Yup I thought about that too.
But the heart muscle can grow stronger just as it does when you do a lot of sports. Your heartrate decreases. Mine went down to 60 after a few years of sports.
HR goes down cos' your heart muscles are stronger, and vessels are less rigid as well.
I would say that the effect is negligible if you work out frequently.
I have low blood pressure even after workouts I wonder if I qualify at all for LL.
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I have low blood pressure even after workouts I wonder if I qualify at all for LL.
my heart rate lying down goes as low as 55.
BP goes as low as about 100/70 or so.
There are medications to increase BP and HR in surgery. But having a low BP is very very good for such surgery. Reduces risk of fat embolism and reduced bleeding!
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my heart rate lying down goes as low as 55.
BP goes as low as about 100/70 or so.
There are medications to increase BP and HR in surgery. But having a low BP is very very good for such surgery. Reduces risk of fat embolism and reduced bleeding!
But will surgery itself cause it to drop or increase and if so by how much would it be?
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But will surgery itself cause it to drop or increase and if so by how much would it be?
Who gives a fuk, you are still gonna do it. I am right now 1 cm taller. 6.5 to go-
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But will surgery itself cause it to drop or increase and if so by how much would it be?
Depends on anesthetic agent... and if you are nervous BP and HR goes up. BP + HR is used to monitor if the patient is feeling pain while unconscious; usually propofol causes both to drop so some add ketamine so that BP and HR doesn't fall too low
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Who gives a fuk, you are still gonna do it. I am right now 1 cm taller. 6.5 to go-
Did you do your surgery?
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I have low BP, but I bleeded a lot. I needed two blood transfussions. My coagulation analysis were right, though.
What did the analysis tell you?
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To come back to the topic , i would say the ideal height is 7-9 cm above the young men average of your ethnicity, you're tall but not too tall, in fact you're atleast taller than 85% of men.
For instance in uk/us/ it's 178.5-179 cm, so i would say 186-188 cm is ideal
For the netherlands, since the average is 183 cm, the perfect range is 190-192 cm.
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I don't think so. I don't like men who are as tall as that.
In france girls love men who are this tall
Where do you live?
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I don't think so. I don't like men who are as tall as that.
Really?
I understand girls usually find that very attractive.
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No more than 1.83, please!!
As I said girls from my country don't seem to like guys above 1.83. (average female height: 162cm) It's treated as a negative trait
In fact I read the ideal height between female and male is usually around 12+ cm. So 162 and 174 goes pretty well. Too tall isn't necessarily better. And 170 goes well with a guy who's 182.
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No more than 1.83, please!!
Is this important to you, why do you dislike tall men?
I'm sure it could be uncomfortable and awkward at times but surely it can't be such a deal breaker, what if you meet an amazing man who is 187CM?
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An amazing man wouldn't matter if 183 or 187
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Not sure what the ideal male height is but I would like to be 4 inches tall with a 6'4 inch penis.
I'd literally be a dck.
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To come back to the topic , i would say the ideal height is 7-9 cm above the young men average of your ethnicity, you're tall but not too tall, in fact you're atleast taller than 85% of men.
For instance in uk/us/ it's 178.5-179 cm, so i would say 186-188 cm is ideal
For the netherlands, since the average is 183 cm, the perfect range is 190-192 cm.
USA average is 176 not 178
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I don't dislike tall men. I only dislike VERY tall men.
What is tall for me? I'm not sure about the numbers. At my original height of 164 I find men over 177 too tall for me, unless I am wearing very high heels. Since after LL I will be 170 or 171, I think that, according to my calculations, I will be very comfortable with men up to 185 or so, but no more. I don't want to feel like a shrimp! :P
If I happen to meet an amazing man who is 187 or 190 cm I would accept him as he is, but I would also accept an amazing man who is 1.72 or even less. I really don't care much about height in men, provided they are not too, too short or too, too tall.
This doesn't mean that I am not selective. I am very, very, very selective about men, but I don't discriminate on height or looks. I am more keen on discriminating on intellectual capacities or professional status. For example, I wouldn't date a man whom I perceive as having an IQ lower than 130 or as having no cultural background or a good career, even if he has Brad Pitt's looks.
I like you. You seem like an intelligent and together gal :)
And phew..after my LL, I'm in your "safe" range lol.
I've never cared about a woman's height, except only to the extent that I'm terrified of having short sons (if I do have kids, I'm not sure I want kids anymore). Even at 166cm, I was fairly picky, though, about a woman's weight/body shape (to me, since this can mostly be controlled, I'm just turned off by fat women on all levels) and her face. I'm obviously not a Ken doll, so I wasn't (and still not) looking for Barbie...but she's gotta pass the eye test first ;)
I love waspy girls. Too bad because I feel like there's a lot of competition for them...
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I agree, and I am not so short... (1.64<1.70, after LL).
I can't believe you felt the need to do LL. You didn't need it. I think 5'7" is a little too tall for girls personally, but then again, this is coming from a guy who was barely taller than you at 166. Although I did date many women taller than me, up to around 175 believe it or not (and they all asked me out, I never had the guys to).
I love women in the 5'3-5'5" range. Actually, 5'5" girls made me feel short. Now I feel like I can be at least as tall as 5'5" and below girls including when they wear their oh-so-precious heels.
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I think taller women can be more assertive in the workplace. But height is not necessarily important for women: Thai ex-PM Yingluck, USA defence secretary Condo Rice, Ex-Phillipines president Arroyo, Ex-Indonesia president Megawati .. though one might wonder if they were taller, perhaps they would be in office longer??
The IMF chief for instance (or is it world bank) is a French lady lawyer. She is 178.
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Ideal height is probably anywhere 6'4"+ and under 7'0", though i'm sure there are guys 7'0"+ who can pull off their height but I haven't met them. Your bones should ideally scale somewhat proportionally as you get taller, meaning your entire body frame and skull increases in size. Problems arise when you just grow vertically, but I don't think this is much of a problem for the amount LLers are lengthening.
This study points to it being 6'5" to 6'8", which is reasonable to me.
(http://undercovertroll.com/browse.php?u=1kvZtBMGIBLiW4zlacI%2BL2%2FeWp%2B4CshSPX%2BW5dWNmGJHmKF%2Bk6wuqDchfDlJcu4eJId4yKqcWRujh2VoCKnmO6AUhTQdBd4udPCK&b=29)
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Ideal height is probably anywhere 6'4"+ and under 7'0", though i'm sure there are guys 7'0"+ who can pull off their height but I haven't met them. Your bones should ideally scale somewhat proportionally as you get taller, meaning your entire body frame and skull increases in size. Problems arise when you just grow vertically, but I don't think this is much of a problem for the amount LLers are lengthening.
This study points to it being 6'5" to 6'8", which is reasonable to me.
(http://undercovertroll.com/browse.php?u=1kvZtBMGIBLiW4zlacI%2BL2%2FeWp%2B4CshSPX%2BW5dWNmGJHmKF%2Bk6wuqDchfDlJcu4eJId4yKqcWRujh2VoCKnmO6AUhTQdBd4udPCK&b=29)
Women like musicmaker that claim to not like 'too tall' guys do exist but they are few in number and I would rather look at what women do than what they say. And all my experience points to very tall males having no handicaps in the dating world, and certainly not in the business world.
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Ideal height is probably anywhere 6'4"+ and under 7'0", though i'm sure there are guys 7'0"+ who can pull off their height but I haven't met them. Your bones should ideally scale somewhat proportionally as you get taller, meaning your entire body frame and skull increases in size. Problems arise when you just grow vertically, but I don't think this is much of a problem for the amount LLers are lengthening.
This study points to it being 6'5" to 6'8", which is reasonable to me.
(http://undercovertroll.com/browse.php?u=1kvZtBMGIBLiW4zlacI%2BL2%2FeWp%2B4CshSPX%2BW5dWNmGJHmKF%2Bk6wuqDchfDlJcu4eJId4yKqcWRujh2VoCKnmO6AUhTQdBd4udPCK&b=29)
You are fundamentally wrong. I asked a few gay guys and female friends (who do not know about my height surgery). Most of them said 1.83 is too tall, except one who said that up to 2.00 is fine. I come from SG where average height is about 174. So add 2 cm to get to America, 1.85 is THE UPPER LIMIT for LL in America. and maybe 1.89 in Scandinavia.
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I vote for about 6'0 to 6'1 (for the United States). It's taller than average, but not so tall to be outside of normal. What do you think?
I would agree with you, esp if you check Hollywood heights. At 6 feet and 6'1" you are essentially one of the taller men in Hollywood. And we know that celebrities do inflate their height. So, yeah!
And celebrities are slightly taller than the average person.
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Women like musicmaker that claim to not like 'too tall' guys do exist but they are few in number and I would rather look at what women do than what they say. And all my experience points to very tall males having no handicaps in the dating world, and certainly not in the business world.
You are totally wrong. THe fact that women like Diso, and MM exist here, when females are in small numbers(in fact, very very few), means that in the GENERAL population, there must be quite a percentage of women who think that 190 cm for instance is too tall.
The ideal height is 6'0". this is 100% backed up by what I asked of girls and gay guys. They said that 1.83 is already too tall. So I think good luck to your dates, if you become 7 feet.
Of course, it might be a different story on the basketball court or if you are a pro-basketball player. But the average guy,1.83 is good. And he can play basketball comfortably (though average or one of the shorter ones in a semi-pro league)
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You are fundamentally wrong. I asked a few gay guys and female friends (who do not know about my height surgery). Most of them said 1.83 is too tall, except one who said that up to 2.00 is fine. I come from SG where average height is about 174. So add 2 cm to get to America, 1.85 is THE UPPER LIMIT for LL in America. and maybe 1.89 in Scandinavia.
I care about what women do, not what they say. And I would bet my life on the fact they would go crazy in delight if a 183cm+ were to approach them. You realize women will blatantly lie to your face about many things?
I have facts, you have anecdotal evidence. For some reason my picture I posted isn't displaying, so let me reup it. You truly live in a fantasy world to believe that a height that is just conveniently 1 or 2 cms above your target height after tibia lengthening is too tall. It's very transparent what you are claiming and it's very dishonest as well.
(http://i57.tinypic.com/30kqfk5.png)
Men that are very tall have a marked advantage over 6'0" or so males. Women remark about how tall you are, they will stare at you in the street, and there is a large proportion of height fetisihist women that desire very tall males, and their demand far outstrips the supply of said very tall males.
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I care about what women do, not what they say. And I would bet my life on the fact they would go crazy in delight if a 183cm+ were to approach them. You realize women will blatantly lie to your face about many things?
I have facts, you have anecdotal evidence. For some reason my picture I posted isn't displaying, so let me reup it. You truly live in a fantasy world to believe that a height that is just conveniently 1 or 2 cms above your target height after tibia lengthening is too tall. It's very transparent what you are claiming and it's very dishonest as well.
That is fundamentally wrong! You have a distorted mindset. (see my thread on this)
Also, please see my thread on Hollywood heights. There must be a reason why most of them are 185 cm maximum.
And obviously you failed your comprehension tests in elementary school. I already said that 183 is too tall FOR MY COUNTRY with an average of 174-ish. So I think 185 Is too tall in America. (and maybe 189 in Scandinavia).
It goes without saying that my target height I will choose is one suited for MY COUNTRY. Ie, why would I choose 189? For someone in the Scandinavia, probably the best height to feel tall is 189.
Please screen yourself for mental illness. (I am a medical student, you have all the hallmarks)
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That is fundamentally wrong! You have a distorted mindset. (see my thread on this)
Also, please see my thread on Hollywood heights. There must be a reason why most of them are 185 cm maximum.
And obviously you failed your comprehension tests in elementary school. I already said that 183 is too tall FOR MY COUNTRY with an average of 174-ish. So I think 185 Is too tall in America. (and maybe 189 in Scandinavia).
It goes without saying that my target height I will choose is one suited for MY COUNTRY. Ie, why would I choose 189? For someone in the Scandinavia, probably the best height to feel tall is 189.
Please screen yourself for mental illness. (I am a medical student, you have all the hallmarks)
Very strong projection here. All I do is destroy your fragile assertions that are rooted in insecurity and suddenly i'm mentally ill. I did see your thread on that, in fact I utterly debunked your assertions in that thread and revealed your true nature. You're just a male that is trying to justify leg lengthening as an average height male in your country, and at the same time assert that anyone over your new goal height is 'too tall'. Most insane thing i've ever seen here.
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Very strong projection here. All I do is destroy your fragile assertions that are rooted in insecurity and suddenly i'm mentally ill. I did see your thread on that, in fact I utterly debunked your assertions in that thread and revealed your true nature. You're just a male that is trying to justify leg lengthening as an average height male in your country, and at the same time assert that anyone over your new goal height is 'too tall'. Most insane thing i've ever seen here.
Please look at the data and it speaks for itself:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr010.pdf#page=15 whit use men between 20 and 39 years old
http://www.ssb.no/a/english/yearbook/tab/tab-108.html norwegian young males
http://www.dst.dk/pukora/epub/upload/17959/pop.pdf#page=34
young danish males
As can be seen, the average height is as I have said. You have so few posts, and yet talk too much. I have read most posts and came to a solid conclusion. 183 is too tall in Singapore, and 185-188 for the States. Probably 189 for Scandinavia.
Dude, no fragile assertions. I searched for the ideal height. And I found it. That was why I wanted to lengthen only to 182 cm, shy of 183 cm. Because, I asked girls extensively about their thoughts. I did not suggest to them that 183 is too tall. I said: if there are a few guys 170 175 178 181 183 185 190 who would you choose? Most of them chose 178 or 181. I can replicate this experiment in a Singapore forum if you wish. I probed further: 183 is too tall? they said yeah, stands out too much, hard to kiss, a bit weird.. etc.
If you want, I can replicate this. I can put a poll on Singapore forums and lets see whats the result? ;) I said I came to these conclusions, for a reason, unlike you who ASSUME facts without base. Baseless assertions! :-X
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Please look at the data and it speaks for itself:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr010.pdf#page=15 whit use men between 20 and 39 years old
http://www.ssb.no/a/english/yearbook/tab/tab-108.html norwegian young males
http://www.dst.dk/pukora/epub/upload/17959/pop.pdf#page=34
young danish males
As can be seen, the average height is as I have said. You have so few posts, and yet talk too much. I have read most posts and came to a solid conclusion. 183 is too tall in Singapore, and 185-188 for the States. Probably 189 for Scandinavia.
Dude, no fragile assertions. I searched for the ideal height. And I found it. That was why I wanted to lengthen only to 182 cm, shy of 183 cm. Because, I asked girls extensively about their thoughts. I did not suggest to them that 183 is too tall. I said: if there are a few guys 170 175 178 181 183 185 190 who would you choose? Most of them chose 178 or 181. I can replicate this experiment in a Singapore forum if you wish. I probed further: 183 is too tall? they said yeah, stands out too much, hard to kiss, a bit weird.. etc.
If you want, I can replicate this. I can put a poll on Singapore forums and lets see whats the result? ;) I said I came to these conclusions, for a reason, unlike you who ASSUME facts without base. Baseless assertions! :-X
Seeing you scramble to piece together your annihilated fragments is pretty hilarious. First you claim that no country has an average height of 6', and you were [rightfully] told off by me. Now you're throwing numbers at me about the height of Scandinavian military conscripts (not even the general population), when I wasn't even talking about Scandinavia; I was talking about the Netherlands. I didn't even mention the more rural areas of the dinaric alps, which have average male heights of 6'1 and over. To make it even better, these Scandinavian heights you are throwing at me are only very slightly beneath the 6 feet you claimed no country had as an average. You're humiliating yourself.
The fact of the matter is that the men at the heights you claim to be 'too tall' have no struggles in the dating market whatsoever, certainly not due to their height. You can throw anecdotes at me, and I can respond with accounts of tall men with decent faces I've known getting massive amounts of female attention (far more than those of average height) by just breathing.
Of course your female friends and family members would lie to you, maybe they even believe what they're saying. But womens' actions are different, it means nothing next to the vim and desire with which a woman looks upon a tall man. Just like a woman saying your face isn't that big of a deal or something of the sort.
(http://i.imgur.com/odUiril.png)
Furthermore, being 'too tall' is infinitely superior to being 'too short'. 'Too short' is essentially a sexual death sentence every single time, whereas 'too tall' carries much less of a negative connotation- we're more talking preferences and nitpicking rather than visceral disgust that women have toward men beneath their height threshold. They would date a man who is 'too tall', while they would never consider a man who is 'too short'. This isn't even mentioning women who prefer that height.
Funny how the ideal height coincides perfectly with the height you can (and desire to) achieve with limb lengthening surgery. Maybe it's not ideal though, just a thought.
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The fact of the matter is that the men at the heights you claim to be 'too tall' have no struggles in the dating market whatsoever, certainly not due to their height. You can throw anecdotes at me, and I can respond with accounts of tall men with decent faces I've known getting massive amounts of female attention (far more than those of average height) by just breathing.
Of course your female friends and family members would lie to you, maybe they even believe what they're saying. But womens' actions are different, it means nothing next to the vim and desire with which a woman looks upon a tall man. Just like a woman saying your face isn't that big of a deal or something of the sort.
(http://i.imgur.com/odUiril.png)
Furthermore, being 'too tall' is infinitely superior to being 'too short'. 'Too short' is essentially a sexual death sentence every single time, whereas 'too tall' carries much less of a negative connotation- we're more talking preferences and nitpicking rather than visceral disgust that women have toward men beneath their height threshold. They would date a man who is 'too tall', while they would never consider a man who is 'too short'. This isn't even mentioning women who prefer that height.
Funny how the ideal height coincides perfectly with the height you can (and desire to) achieve with limb lengthening surgery. Maybe it's not ideal though, just a thought.
I did not ask my family members. I have asked female friends and random girls on the internet. Why would they lie to me, if they do not know about my surgery? Plus. when i meet them i am about 180. due to lifts. They said 182 is Okay. 183? too tall already. Most of them came to the same conclusion: 183 is too tall in Singapore. I was so shocked. I wanted 188 or so but I was forced to concede. There is a certain extent, whereby things are really too much. And height is one thing. You can be skinny and attractive, but too skinny for a woman? Nope, not attractive. Look up attractiveness theories: average face is somewhat more attractive. This confirms my hypothesis that "too tall" or 3 standard deviations or so from average, is really, not attractive.
If you were to look at your infographic carefully the ideal height is about 6 feet, that is where the peak is. It experiences that decline that I spoke about (remember? my anecdotal evidence. which is now supported) after about 6 feet or 6'1". As I have already said, in America, too tall is probably 185 - 188 cm.
I like this infographic.Where did you get it from? it inadvertently supports my conclusions because you have very poor comprehension and reading skills. I wonder if you even went into a university, let alone high school.
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I did not ask my family members. I have asked female friends and random girls on the internet. Why would they lie to me, if they do not know about my surgery? Plus. when i meet them i am about 180. due to lifts. They said 182 is Okay. 183? too tall already. Most of them came to the same conclusion: 183 is too tall in Singapore. I was so shocked. I wanted 188 or so but I was forced to concede. There is a certain extent, whereby things are really too much. And height is one thing. You can be skinny and attractive, but too skinny for a woman? Nope, not attractive. Look up attractiveness theories: average face is somewhat more attractive. This confirms my hypothesis that "too tall" or 3 standard deviations or so from average, is really, not attractive.
If you were to look at your infographic carefully the ideal height is about 6 feet, that is where the peak is. It experiences that decline that I spoke about (remember? my anecdotal evidence. which is now supported) after about 6 feet or 6'1". As I have already said, in America, too tall is probably 185 - 188 cm.
I like this infographic.Where did you get it from? it inadvertently supports my conclusions because you have very poor comprehension and reading skills. I wonder if you even went into a university, let alone high school.
go to a party and see for yourself, the 6foot7 hunk will get all the attention. the fact that girls say 6foot is too tall, means 6foot is the minimum height they see worthy of an Short Term Relationship. when you ask girls what the ideal height is, they telling you in terms of Long Term Relationship, not STR. They want men at taht height so they dont have to worry about you cheating on them, and so they can control the relationship (not being outshined by their partner)
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If based on that infographic, 6'1 (185 cm) is the ideal height in America, I am worried about Singapore. Am I past the peak? Am I too tall? ??? ::) ::) ::)
The difference in average heights between America and Singapore is about 176 - 172 = 4 cm.
So it stands to reason that 185 - 4 cm = 181 cm is the ideal height in Singapore.
Thank God I am able to reach 181 cm :D (at least, its my night height!)
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go to a party and see for yourself, the 6foot7 hunk will get all the attention. the fact that girls say 6foot is too tall, means 6foot is the minimum height they see worthy of an Short Term Relationship. when you ask girls what the ideal height is, they telling you in terms of Long Term Relationship, not STR. They want men at taht height so they dont have to worry about you cheating on them, and so they can control the relationship (not being outshined by their partner)
Nope. their reason is: hes too tall, weird, awkward when we go out, too big height difference, etc
it has been shown conclusively that the ideal difference between male and female height is 12 cm
Pls tell me what is the source of your infographic because it firmly supports my earlier observations. thanks bro! :P
if anything I asked a gay friend, whats the ideal height of your bf. He said 181 is fine, 182 abit too tall, and 183 is too tall (he is himself, 181 cm - quite a common height in singpaore nowadays).
I asked another gay, he said, 180 is too tall. see? im sure the minds of girls and gays are similar. the short gays want tall guy partners to fk them, but not too tall.
fact: not all women want to be shrimps. musicmaker and diso surely don't want to. if they are the only female posting members, I think... hmmm., surely in the general population, this thought is replicated. I don't believe that females want males who are 20-30 cm above them. If the average height of a female in America is 162, a good difference between male and female is apparently 12- 15 cm, so 177 is probably good. 188? that's waaaaaaaaaaaaaay pushing it.
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go to a party and see for yourself, the 6foot7 hunk will get all the attention. the fact that girls say 6foot is too tall, means 6foot is the minimum height they see worthy of an Short Term Relationship. when you ask girls what the ideal height is, they telling you in terms of Long Term Relationship, not STR. They want men at taht height so they dont have to worry about you cheating on them, and so they can control the relationship (not being outshined by their partner)
matter of fact? in Singapore, the hunks get the attention, and they aren't even 183 (maybe a small percent are). most hunks are about 170, 173 is common, 175 probably , 178 is already pushing it. the taller u get, harder to build muscles.
but I can possibly agree with your comment in the other thread (distorted views of members thread). it is a defensible opinion. but I don't think it holds much water.
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I did not ask my family members. I have asked female friends and random girls on the internet. Why would they lie to me, if they do not know about my surgery? Plus. when i meet them i am about 180. due to lifts. They said 182 is Okay. 183? too tall already. Most of them came to the same conclusion: 183 is too tall in Singapore. I was so shocked. I wanted 188 or so but I was forced to concede. There is a certain extent, whereby things are really too much. And height is one thing. You can be skinny and attractive, but too skinny for a woman? Nope, not attractive. Look up attractiveness theories: average face is somewhat more attractive. This confirms my hypothesis that "too tall" or 3 standard deviations or so from average, is really, not attractive.
If you were to look at your infographic carefully the ideal height is about 6 feet, that is where the peak is. It experiences that decline that I spoke about (remember? my anecdotal evidence. which is now supported) after about 6 feet or 6'1". As I have already said, in America, too tall is probably 185 - 188 cm.
I like this infographic.Where did you get it from? it inadvertently supports my conclusions because you have very poor comprehension and reading skills. I wonder if you even went into a university, let alone high school.
The peak is at 6'1" actually, i'm sorry you couldn't discern that because you are too drugged up from your surgery in your quest to become tall for your country. If you notice, all heights between 6'1" and 6'5" and males that are 6'7" receive MORE messages than 6'0" males. But that's splitting hairs at this point, the most important thing to note is that the claim of being too tall at such heights are vastly unsupported/overstated.
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I wanted 188 or so but I was forced to concede.
(http://th09.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2010/252/3/4/the_fox_and_the_grapes_by_imtrollingyou-d2ycaly.png)
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The peak is at 6'1" actually, i'm sorry you couldn't discern that because you are too drugged up from your surgery in your quest to become tall for your country. If you notice, all heights between 6'1" and 6'5" and males that are 6'7" receive MORE messages than 6'0" males. But that's splitting hairs at this point, the most important thing to note is that the claim of being too tall at such heights are vastly unsupported/overstated.
I am only on paracetamol (even I am off that, in the morning and last night until the slight pains kick in)
Anyway thanks to your graph, as I said the peak is 6'0 or 6'1. I used ruler to see clearly and yes the peak is 6'1.
Hence anything above 6'1 is too tall already.
For an average guy or slightly average guy doing LL, I would advise him only to go to 6'1 if it is in America (if that is where the infographic is, and if it is accurate).
we have to know your source, dude. instead of just throwing random images. are you even university educated?
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(http://th09.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2010/252/3/4/the_fox_and_the_grapes_by_imtrollingyou-d2ycaly.png)
Yup I was forced to concede when I asked so many girls and 183 was too tall in my country.
I wantd to do 188 cm, and I am capable of doing so (if I do a second femur surgery).
However, from my surveys, and I don't wanna jeopardise my love life, 183 is too tall, and so, I will NOT go to 188.
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Seeing you scramble to piece together your annihilated fragments is pretty hilarious. First you claim that no country has an average height of 6', and you were [rightfully] told off by me. Now you're throwing numbers at me about the height of Scandinavian military conscripts (not even the general population), when I wasn't even talking about Scandinavia; I was talking about the Netherlands. I didn't even mention the more rural areas of the dinaric alps, which have average male heights of 6'1 and over. To make it even better, these Scandinavian heights you are throwing at me are only very slightly beneath the 6 feet you claimed no country had as an average. You're humiliating yourself.
The fact of the matter is that the men at the heights you claim to be 'too tall' have no struggles in the dating market whatsoever, certainly not due to their height. You can throw anecdotes at me, and I can respond with accounts of tall men with decent faces I've known getting massive amounts of female attention (far more than those of average height) by just breathing.
Of course your female friends and family members would lie to you, maybe they even believe what they're saying. But womens' actions are different, it means nothing next to the vim and desire with which a woman looks upon a tall man. Just like a woman saying your face isn't that big of a deal or something of the sort.
(http://i.imgur.com/odUiril.png)
Furthermore, being 'too tall' is infinitely superior to being 'too short'. 'Too short' is essentially a sexual death sentence every single time, whereas 'too tall' carries much less of a negative connotation- we're more talking preferences and nitpicking rather than visceral disgust that women have toward men beneath their height threshold. They would date a man who is 'too tall', while they would never consider a man who is 'too short'. This isn't even mentioning women who prefer that height.
Funny how the ideal height coincides perfectly with the height you can (and desire to) achieve with limb lengthening surgery. Maybe it's not ideal though, just a thought.
I can't wait until I'm 6'0. I do well with women already; when I hit 6'0, I'm going to slay like there is no tomorrow!
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I can't wait until I'm 6'0. I do well with women already; when I hit 6'0, I'm going to slay like there is no tomorrow!
As his data supports my anecdotal evidence, 6'0 is a good height, 6'1 too (in America). Where do you stay?
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I am only on paracetamol (even I am off that, in the morning and last night until the slight pains kick in)
Anyway thanks to your graph, as I said the peak is 6'0 or 6'1. I used ruler to see clearly and yes the peak is 6'1.
Hence anything above 6'1 is too tall already.
For an average guy or slightly average guy doing LL, I would advise him only to go to 6'1 if it is in America (if that is where the infographic is, and if it is accurate).
we have to know your source, dude. instead of just throwing random images. are you even university educated?
I think you're missing the context of the graph. The point was not to autistically break out your ruler to find the highest point (which is only infinitesimally larger than the 6'4" and 6'7" points really), but to show you that your 'too tall' hysteria is irrational and that tall men aren't these freaks shunned by women like you like to convince yourself.
The source is data collected from okcupid, the graph is on the page
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-biggest-lies-in-online-dating/
Also, this isn't taking into account other factors. This is just a graph of height and messages received without being controlled for anything else, so of course it's going to jump around slightly (using the same logic you applied to the graph being 5'3" would be superior to being 5'4" which is laughable). I'm just demolishing your 'too tall' nonsense, as though men above 6'1" are totally undesired by women. You made it out to be as though really tall men are these sexual pariahs women want nothing to do with. So much for that asinine theory.
Obsessing over university status, what a joke man. This is really a huge thing in Asian culture, isn't it? The sooner you realise attractive 6'1+ losers who never went to a university that stack shelves and pump gas for a living are getting more tits and pussy snapchats on the weekly than you will get in your entire life (and in general living a superior life to you, going to more cool parties than you, banging badder bitches than you), the better.
By the way, I have another interesting thing you can mull over if you're so fascinated with the points on a graph, my friend. From the same source (http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-biggest-lies-in-online-dating/)
(http://i.imgur.com/Ezm4M5s.png)
How can you honestly go so quick from spouting how awful being 'too tall' is to arguing semantics with me, when I was just trying to show you this 'too tall' nonsense you were vomiting up earlier was total bull ? Are you really so naive as to think very tall men are undesired by women and that there's some massive dropoff at your goal height?
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Obsessing over university status, what a joke man. This is really a huge thing in Asian culture, isn't it? The sooner you realise attractive 6'1+ losers who never went to a university that stack shelves and pump gas for a living are getting more tits and pussy snapchats on the weekly than you will get in your entire life (and in general living a superior life to you, going to more cool parties than you, banging badder bitches than you), the better.
hard hitting red pill.
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I think you're missing the context of the graph. The point was not to autistically break out your ruler to find the highest point (which is only infinitesimally larger than the 6'4" and 6'7" points really), but to show you that your 'too tall' hysteria is irrational and that tall men aren't these freaks shunned by women like you like to convince yourself.
The source is data collected from okcupid, the graph is on the page
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-biggest-lies-in-online-dating/
Also, this isn't taking into account other factors. This is just a graph of height and messages received without being controlled for anything else, so of course it's going to jump around slightly (using the same logic you applied to the graph being 5'3" would be superior to being 5'4" which is laughable). I'm just demolishing your 'too tall' nonsense, as though men above 6'1" are totally undesired by women. You made it out to be as though really tall men are these sexual pariahs women want nothing to do with. So much for that asinine theory.
Obsessing over university status, what a joke man. This is really a huge thing in Asian culture, isn't it? The sooner you realise attractive 6'1+ losers who never went to a university that stack shelves and pump gas for a living are getting more tits and pussy snapchats on the weekly than you will get in your entire life (and in general living a superior life to you, going to more cool parties than you, banging badder bitches than you), the better.
By the way, I have another interesting thing you can mull over if you're so fascinated with the points on a graph, my friend. From the same source (http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-biggest-lies-in-online-dating/)
(http://i.imgur.com/Ezm4M5s.png)
How can you honestly go so quick from spouting how awful being 'too tall' (anything above 6'2" to you, according to your posts) is to arguing semantics with me when I was just trying to show you this 'too tall' nonsense you were vomiting up earlier was total bullcrap?
Its not bull . You are the bull- ter who didn't go to university. I dislike chatting with people of low IQ but for the sake of explaining myself. I will sympathise and explain.
The graph obviously shows that there is a plateau and a peak. That plateau starts at 6'1. Given that returns diminish above 6'1, it is illogical for someone who is 170 cm for instance to want to reach 6'5.
This is ALSO supported by my own anecdotal evidence. I put this question to you again: Do you want an opinion poll on a girls' forum like flower pod or cozycot in Singapore?
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Obsessing over university status, what a joke man. This is really a huge thing in Asian culture, isn't it? The sooner you realise attractive 6'1+ losers who never went to a university that stack shelves and pump gas for a living are getting more tits and pussy snapchats on the weekly than you will get in your entire life (and in general living a superior life to you, going to more cool parties than you, banging badder bitches than you), the better.
haha oh my god. dude, the popular guys in my community are mostly 173, 175, 178 maximum. I've never heard of a 180 guy being popular yet. Apparently some here think that 180 is good, and I just doing it not for girls, but to feel tall here. I found that to feel tall here the minimum is 182-ish.
perhaps American culture is differnet. but here in asia, nope. the average guys (or slightly tall guys) are more popular :)
dude Ive so much good sex banging 18 year olds pretending I am 18 sometimes. its a good life., you are one jealous prick.
and for the record, the only dating app I use, when my height is 183 vs 178, there is no difference. Because the average here is 172. Anything significantly above average, theres not much difference. IN fact, when I put 183, mostly only taller (and not as attractive) girls speak to me. SO I will choose perhaps 181 or something:D
as far as Asia goes, average or slightly above average is better, or 182 (above average, close to too tall). perhaps its the entire pop culture here of being pretty boy.
if the gay or bisexual community is similar to girls, then the most ideal height appears to be about 173-178 here. At least, with the guys I know. I guess we can draw a similarity between girls and gays.
So, yeap, not too tall :D
to be honest, I am now about 180 and I don't know if I should push it to 183. I was very worried about becoming "too tall".
I mean
* I want a good dating life BUT
* I want to feel tall
Those are two mutually exclusive things. If u were to ask me, I think feeling tall is more important to me than getting the most girls. If I get more girls at 178, and it is proven, I will still go to 181 in a heartbeat. 182 maybe not.. its all about balancing.
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oh trust me, if your theory is correct (and mine is wrong, ie there is no such thing as too tall), I will gladly wanna go to 188cm.
But truth is, according to law, taller is not better; it is better to a certain extent.
I really wanna go above 6 feet in my country, because I wanna feel tall here.
BUT it will adversely affect my dating life.
if your theory is right, I will lengthen beyond 6 feet.
Sadly ur wrong. :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
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oh yes instead of me being insecure (yes I did my research and decided my final height, it is firm as stone), are you the insecure one? ;)
are you the one without girls? (read my posts, I even had girls love me when I am crippled as I am now. and them complimenting my llooks and my physique (six pack)).
tell us, what is your starting height? I am sure I am bursting your bubble. You must be about 182 wanting to lengthen to 190 or something.
Please get a grip of yourself or suffer an acute MI :o (I know, as a medical student I shouldn't be so mean, but who was talking nonsense all this while and insinuating that im insecure??) ;D
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theres a possible theory though, that our cultures are so different that you have a different mindset. to any Asian, your mindset is distorted.
a good height here is probably up to 182 or 183 maximum. beyond that, there are diminishing (or negative) returns.
for top leadership positions, our prime minister has been consistently very tall (185, 182, 187) But they are more of the anomaly. most MPs here are either short or average, or slightly tall.
there are two possibilities
* you have mental illness and/or a lack of education and/or distorted mindset
OR *our cultures are too different that it is impossible to extrapolate my findings in Singapore to your country (where are you from?)
either way, my assertions about what happens in America is just a theory. I am sure this is what happens in Singapore, and quite sure it happens in America. But as I have read in other posts, there might be cultural and societal differences :)
I am inclined to take the first view that you have mental illness etc because I don't think two societies can be so different. we have a very western culture., we speak English, we read English, we listen to English songs more than Chinese, etc.
this is what a university education means. I have essentially obliterated your entire baseless accusations and asinine theories. this is a good argument. I was telling my lawyer friend I developed a past-time of arguing with people on the internet because I can control my emotions very well and it makes me pleasured to see them flustered and at a losing end, being totally defeated by my valid arguments. ;) I have enjoyed this debate, and hope you can reply to me senselessly again. one advantage of a forum is that both views are put in black and white, and members can see how foolish (and the gross logical fallacies within) your reasoning is.
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Re: sex partners graph showing that 195 cm has more sex partners.
First, how accurate is the source? second, the fact they have more sex partners DOES NOT mean that they have more dates and long -term relationships. the girl probably thinks ah, this guy is too tall for a steady partner, he is just a one night stand ;D
it is a joke how fragile your arguments are. please go to high school at least.
even if you are correct, which is unlikely, it might just be a construct of the west, as in asia, the situation is diametrically opposite. the good looking guys tend to be about 170-178, maybe 180 is pushing it. the very tall guys here eg 183++ are usually not good looking, and thus they get less guys and girls.
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This forum,is getting weirder each day without an admin
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I"m 183 cm and now I want to be 195 cm which is reachable, because of this thread
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ItsMyLife, if you really wanted to be 6foot2, youd be welcoming to information and believe it, cus people believe what they want to believe. clearly you want to believe 6foot is too tall in your country, i doubt you think you can reach 6foot2, whether it be money problems, time consuming or proportions.
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Mersaut is right, 183 cm is the bare minimum, 185 cm is enjoyable, 188 cm is good, 190 cm is very good and 193 cm is god mod activated, every girls want your penjs and you dominate people which is a delicious feeling.
193 cm here I am!
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Oh and mersault how tall are you?
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Mersaut is right, 183 cm is the bare minimum, 185 cm is enjoyable, 188 cm is good, 190 cm is very good and 193 cm is god mod activated, every girls want your penjs and you dominate people which is a delicious feeling.
193 cm here I am!
That is not true as far as Asian countries are concerned. I wish I could be tall AND get girls.
If I were given a pill which would make me 190 or 182, I would choose 182 as I want to be a pretty boy and get girls.
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ItsMyLife, if you really wanted to be 6foot2, youd be welcoming to information and believe it, cus people believe what they want to believe. clearly you want to believe 6foot is too tall in your country, i doubt you think you can reach 6foot2, whether it be money problems, time consuming or proportions.
Dude, I surveyed so many guys (gay and straight) and girls. 6'2" is too tall for my country. I wish I can go there. I will be 6' at the end of my surgery and Prof Bagirov said that he recommends me 4 cm (2 inches on my femur). But later, he told me its better to do just tibia perhaps.
I want to be 6'2. But there are many problems. One of it is reduced attractiveness. In my country at least. I can easily handle another 4 cm, and the cost of 6500 euros is not much, or even less with Dr Solomin :)
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That is not true as far as Asian countries are concerned. I wish I could be tall AND get girls.
If I were given a pill which would make me 190 or 182, I would choose 182 as I want to be a pretty boy and get girls.
you Re Not the center of the universe, 90% of the members registered on the forum are white and young, we'rd talking for Europe and the US, no one care of Asian countries.
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OMG! Heated discussion out here!
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you Re Not the center of the universe, 90% of the members registered on the forum are white and young, we'rd talking for Europe and the US, no one care of Asian countries.
Nope you are wrong, because I talked to a few Asians here (hongkong, Singapore)
And, what applies in Asia, should logically apply to Europe/USA as well, unless there are good reasons.
Asia (including Japan and China) is already the world's largest economy. So it is the center of the universe :)
The Economy of Asia comprises more than 4.4 billion people (60% of the world population) living in 49 different states.[3] Six further states lie partly in Asia, but are considered to belong to another region economically and politically. Asia is the fastest growing economic region and the largest continental economy by GDP PPP in the world. China is the largest economy in Asia and the second largest economy in the world. Moreover, Asia is the site of some of the world's longest economic booms, starting from the Japanese economic miracle (1950-1990), Miracle of the Han River (1961-1996) in South Korea and the economic boom (1978-2013) in China.
As in all world regions, the wealth of Asia differs widely between, and within, states. This is due to its vast size, meaning a huge range of different cultures, environments, historical ties and government systems. The largest economies in Asia in terms of PPP gross domestic product (GDP) are China, India, Japan, Russia, South Korea, Indonesia, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, Thailand, Pakistan, Malaysia and Philippines and in terms of nominal gross domestic product (GDP) are China, Japan, Russia, India, South Korea, Indonesia, Turkey, Philippines, Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, United Arab Emirates, Thailand, Iran, Malaysia and Singapore .
Wealth (if measured by GDP per capita) is mostly concentrated in the East Asian territories of Hong Kong, Macau, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Brunei, and Taiwan, as well in oil rich countries in West Asia such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Iran, Kuwait, and Oman. Israel and Turkey are notable exceptions: both lie in the territory of Asia despite not often being counted as such, and are also extremely wealthy nations and powerful economies. Asia, with the exception of Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore, is currently undergoing rapid growth and industrialization spearheaded by China and India, the two fastest growing major economies in the world. While East Asian and Southeast Asian countries generally rely on manufacturing and trade for growth, countries in the Middle East depend more on the production of commodities, principally oil, for economic growth. Over the years, with rapid economic growth and large trade surplus with the rest of the world, Asia has accumulated over US$4 trillion of foreign exchange reserves - more than half of the world's total.
Source: Wikipedia.
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Nope you are wrong, because I talked to a few Asians here (hongkong, Singapore)
And, what applies in Asia, should logically apply to Europe/USA as well, unless there are good reasons.
Asia (including Japan and China) is already the world's largest economy. So it is the center of the universe :)
we re talking about height, not economy.
I think you didn't get my previous message:I just said you were always referring to your country while most members live in the US and Europe and are WHITE So don't get mad when someone say 180 cm is not good enough because he is probably referring to western countries.
That is not true as far as Asian countries are concerned. I wish I could be tall AND get girls.
If I were given a pill which would make me 190 or 182, I would choose 182 as I want to be a pretty boy and get girls.
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Lets look at the figures:
http://www.heightdb.com/blog/ideal-male-height
ideal male height is 6'1. look at the peak. (so in my country it should be about 6 feet)
What have you got to say??
It's shocking how suddenly 6'4'' is much less appealing than 6'3''. At this height an inch can make a huge difference to someones appearance. There are a number of disadvantages of being tall, and looking too daunting is one of them.
THe law of being too tall :)
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Further confirmation that 6'1 and above are probably too tall:
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/60-is-the-ideal-male-height.453495411/
Interestingly, this graph shows a "ceiling effect" whereby 6' is perfect, 5'11 is good, 6'1 is good, but really if you want perfection, it comes at 6 feet (my future height)
Its Based on dating pools
This is the perfect male height. Accepted everywhere. Ideal for dating, sports, business, entertainment, and every other aspect of life
Too tall:
Makes kissing awkward (my girl firends said this)
Lower penis length to height ratio
etc
Second, in UK, 5'11 is ideal (2014)
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/07/11/ideal-height-56-woman-511-man/
The survey also finds that for the average British man, a partner becomes too short at 4'11” and too tall at 6'.
Third, Dailymail (UK):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2126093/Womens-idea-perfect-man-A-6ft--48k-year--beer-drinking-meat-eater-Audi.html
The ideal male will also be 6ft tall, have short dark hair and smart dress sense - similar to that of U.S. X Factor host Steve Jones.
Fourth, http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=156380333
In a study by Hensley (1994) women preferred a man who was 72 inches (183 cm) (6ft) tall as a benchmark. The preference for the six foot tall man is overwhelming, says Hensley. In his study, consisting of 145 females, 32 percent reported this as their preferred height
Interestingly, there seems to be a “ceiling effect” where tall males (over 6 feet) suffer a decrease in fitness. That is, women tend to find extremely tall men less attractive. This has been noted by several researchers. Women tend to prefer men of a medium stature over really tall men or really short men. In a study by Graziano et. al. (1978) similar results showed that men of medium height (5’9″- 5’11″) were rated as more attractive over shorter (5’5″- 5’7″) or taller men (6’2″- 6’4″), regardless of the height of the women (4’10″- 6’1″).
I didn't skew the search results. I just searched "ideal male height":https://www.google.com.sg/?gws_rd=ssl#q=ideal+male+height
Read yourself.
So what you gotta say to this ????
This is validation that:
1. There is a cut-off height that is too tall. Probably about 6 feet in Singapore and 1 inch or 2 inch greater in UK/USA/Europe (or as the study shows, it may in fact be 6' or 5'11)
2. The girl friends and guy friends ( gay, straight, bi ) I spoke to, are CORRECT
3. Musicmaker and Diso are not the odd ones out. Yes women think that 6' is probably too tall, or it is at least ON THE EDGE of being too tall.
4. The forum members here have a totally distorted view of facts.
5. Hollywood heights are there for a reason. If you notice, most are below 185 cm (and Hollywood celebrities are generally taller than average persons). Same goes for K-pop, C-Pop and Taiwanese Pop and J-Pop!
So multiple sources say the ideal is about 6 feet, and it might be lower in Singpaore... maybe 180cm. But as I said, I don't care about girls. I wanna feel tall, and I think I can do so at 6 feet in Singapore.
CASE CLOSED 8) (I won, hands down, slam dunk style)
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we re talking about height, not economy.
I think you didn't get my previous message:I just said you were always referring to your country while most members live in the US and Europe and are WHITE So don't get mad when someone say 180 cm is not good enough because he is probably referring to western countries.
I am not mad. I am not angry that someone says 182 (6 feet) is not good enough. I just want the facts to come, and in the above post, we can see very clearly, the cold truth.
All this information corresponds with the survey which was kindly provided by mersault, that after 6'1 there is a slow decrease in attractiveness (okcupid)
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Lets look at the figures:
http://www.heightdb.com/blog/ideal-male-height
ideal male height is 6'1. look at the peak. (so in my country it should be about 6 feet)
What have you got to say??
THe law of being too tall :)
and look at the graph provided by mersault.besides I assume that the majority who answered this poll are men, and given that The name of the website is heightdb and propose a method to be talleri believe that most of them are insecure.Insecure people wiill never admit taller is better becaus it would validate their insecurities.
You re trying to reassure yourself because you cannot reach 188 cm without having trouble, and I also suspect you'rd jealous of white people who are noticeably taller than Asian :I m talking about white men, I exclude non white men who bring the average down.Average for white men is 177-178 Cm , 180 Cm for white young men.If ethnicity is not excluded then average height is brought down to 175-176 Cm.
To come back to my last point , I said you re jealous of white men, who are taller than Asian, which explains the fact you want to be 188 Cm in a country where people average 172-174 cm.And you re also law balling the average height in the US, comparing the average of young people in your country, and the average height for us men that include all ages and ethnicities, but THAT S NOT COMPARABLE, then you make The assumption that the perfect height in the US is only 2 or 3 cm the perfect one in your country.
I m always referring to white young men and since the average for white young men is 180 cm within 1 cm depending on the country, and considering that the ideal height is 7-10 cm above average, I just conclude the perfect height FOR A WHIITE YOUNG MAN is 187-190 cm
CQFD
P-E-R-I-O-D The debate is over
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and look at the graph provided by mersault.besides I assume that the majority who answered this poll are men, and given that The name of the website is heightdb and propose a method to be talleri believe that most of them are insecure.Insecure people wiill never admit taller is better becaus it would validate their insecurities.
You re trying to reassure yourself because you cannot reach 188 cm without having trouble, and I also suspect you'rd jealous of white people who are noticeably taller than Asian :I m talking about white men, I exclude non white men who bring the average down.Average for white men is 177-178 Cm , 180 Cm for white young men.If ethnicity is not excluded then average height is brought down to 175-176 Cm.
To come back to my last point , I said you re jealous of white men, who are taller than Asian, which explains the fact you want to be 188 Cm in a country where people average 172-174 cm.And you re also law balling the average height in the US, comparing the average of young people in your country, and the average height for us men that include all ages and ethnicities, but THAT S NOT COMPARABLE, then you make The assumption that the perfect height in the US is only 2 or 3 cm the perfect one in your country.
I m always referring to white young men and since the average for white young men is 180 cm within 1 cm depending on the country, and considering that the ideal height is 7-10 cm above average, I just conclude the perfect height FOR A WHIITE YOUNG MAN is 187-190 cm
CQFD
P-E-R-I-O-D The debate is over
What do you have to say to the statistics? Most of them involved female voters :) some are even anthropologic studies, my God.
are you even of average IQ?
Repost for your information:
Further confirmation that 6'1 and above are probably too tall:
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/60-is-the-ideal-male-height.453495411/
Interestingly, this graph shows a "ceiling effect" whereby 6' is perfect, 5'11 is good, 6'1 is good, but really if you want perfection, it comes at 6 feet (my future height)
Its Based on dating pools
This is the perfect male height. Accepted everywhere. Ideal for dating, sports, business, entertainment, and every other aspect of life
Too tall:
Makes kissing awkward (my girl firends said this)
Lower penis length to height ratio
etc
Second, in UK, 5'11 is ideal (2014)
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/07/11/ideal-height-56-woman-511-man/
The survey also finds that for the average British man, a partner becomes too short at 4'11” and too tall at 6'.
Third, Dailymail (UK):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2126093/Womens-idea-perfect-man-A-6ft--48k-year--beer-drinking-meat-eater-Audi.html
The ideal male will also be 6ft tall, have short dark hair and smart dress sense - similar to that of U.S. X Factor host Steve Jones.
Fourth, http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=156380333
In a study by Hensley (1994) women preferred a man who was 72 inches (183 cm) (6ft) tall as a benchmark. The preference for the six foot tall man is overwhelming, says Hensley. In his study, consisting of 145 females, 32 percent reported this as their preferred height
Interestingly, there seems to be a “ceiling effect” where tall males (over 6 feet) suffer a decrease in fitness. That is, women tend to find extremely tall men less attractive. This has been noted by several researchers. Women tend to prefer men of a medium stature over really tall men or really short men. In a study by Graziano et. al. (1978) similar results showed that men of medium height (5’9″- 5’11″) were rated as more attractive over shorter (5’5″- 5’7″) or taller men (6’2″- 6’4″), regardless of the height of the women (4’10″- 6’1″).
I didn't skew the search results. I just searched "ideal male height":https://www.google.com.sg/?gws_rd=ssl#q=ideal+male+height
Read yourself.
So what you gotta say to this ????
This is validation that:
1. There is a cut-off height that is too tall. Probably about 6 feet in Singapore and 1 inch or 2 inch greater in UK/USA/Europe (or as the study shows, it may in fact be 6' or 5'11)
2. The girl friends and guy friends ( gay, straight, bi ) I spoke to, are CORRECT
3. Musicmaker and Diso are not the odd ones out. Yes women think that 6' is probably too tall, or it is at least ON THE EDGE of being too tall.
4. The forum members here have a totally distorted view of facts.
5. Hollywood heights are there for a reason. If you notice, most are below 185 cm (and Hollywood celebrities are generally taller than average persons). Same goes for K-pop, C-Pop and Taiwanese Pop and J-Pop!
So multiple sources say the ideal is about 6 feet, and it might be lower in Singpaore... maybe 180cm. But as I said, I don't care about girls. I wanna feel tall, and I think I can do so at 6 feet in Singapore.
CASE CLOSED 8) (I won, hands down, slam dunk style)
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and look at the graph provided by mersault.besides I assume that the majority who answered this poll are men, and given that The name of the website is heightdb and propose a method to be talleri believe that most of them are insecure.Insecure people wiill never admit taller is better becaus it would validate their insecurities.
You re trying to reassure yourself because you cannot reach 188 cm without having trouble, and I also suspect you'rd jealous of white people who are noticeably taller than Asian :I m talking about white men, I exclude non white men who bring the average down.Average for white men is 177-178 Cm , 180 Cm for white young men.If ethnicity is not excluded then average height is brought down to 175-176 Cm.
To come back to my last point , I said you re jealous of white men, who are taller than Asian, which explains the fact you want to be 188 Cm in a country where people average 172-174 cm.And you re also law balling the average height in the US, comparing the average of young people in your country, and the average height for us men that include all ages and ethnicities, but THAT S NOT COMPARABLE, then you make The assumption that the perfect height in the US is only 2 or 3 cm the perfect one in your country.
I m always referring to white young men and since the average for white young men is 180 cm within 1 cm depending on the country, and considering that the ideal height is 7-10 cm above average, I just conclude the perfect height FOR A WHIITE YOUNG MAN is 187-190 cm
Err are you on drugs? You talk no sense. Don't be mad with the statistics I have posed. I do not want to be 188 cm because of dating reasons. I want to be 188 cm in my country because I play basketball and constantly surrounded by tall Asians. I do not give a fk about Caucasians to be honest? I mean, I hve never travelled to USA/Europe aside from Russia. I have been to Korea 20 times, Thailand maybe 20 times, Malaysia a few times, and same for Taiwan. I find Asians more attractive (and some Asians only date exclusively Asians).
YOU SHOULD READ the statistics of multiple sources, and conclude that 6 feet is the ideal even in western countries.
Lastly I was bi-sexual just some time ago (before I got attached to my girl) and I wouldn't date a guy taller than 178 cm. So I trust these studies whole-heartedly. My gay /bi friends also agree anecdotally with me. I would never and have never dated a Caucasian man. Im just not interested, even if he is 5'7. I might possibly date a Caucasian girl though. But I find Asians more attractive. (Korean, Taiwanese, singaporeans, Japanese, Hongkies)
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I exclude non white men who bring the average down.Average for white men is 177-178 Cm , 180 Cm for white young men.If ethnicity is not excluded then average height is brought down to 175-176 Cm.
average white man (young) height is 178.9:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr010.pdf#page=15
(older men stand at 0.9 cm shorter, at 178)
= as I said, height not really affected by generational gaps in industrialised nations
see page 15 :)
you are totally wrong. living in your own world. how tall are you?
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No I just conclude 187-190 Cm is perfect.
And don t say my view is distorted you re the only one who ended 8 cm above average and then you give lessons, it just prove you're mentally Ill.
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No I just conclude 187-190 Cm is perfect.
And don t say my view is distorted you re the only one who ended 8 cm above average and then you give lessons, it just prove you're mentally Ill.
My agitated baby, what about the statistics? WESTERN statistics if you will (you love White people, so fine, eat your own poison that WHITE females VOTED that 6' is the best height)
you are just mentally ill. take a chill pill. (Trust me, im a med student)
How can 187 -190 cm be perfect? Unless you did not do maths??
I have all along theorised that 182 is good for Singapore, and in America probably you add 4 cm, and you get about 186 cm. 186-ish is the best height probably in the West. BUT now, in the face of DATA, cold hard DATA, even I am wrong. The best height is STILL 183 for western countries (okay, at least, US and UK)
Repost for your information:
Further confirmation that 6'1 and above are probably too tall:
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/60-is-the-ideal-male-height.453495411/
Interestingly, this graph shows a "ceiling effect" whereby 6' is perfect, 5'11 is good, 6'1 is good, but really if you want perfection, it comes at 6 feet (my future height)
Its Based on dating pools
This is the perfect male height. Accepted everywhere. Ideal for dating, sports, business, entertainment, and every other aspect of life
Too tall:
Makes kissing awkward (my girl firends said this)
Lower penis length to height ratio
etc
Second, in UK, 5'11 is ideal (2014)
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/07/11/ideal-height-56-woman-511-man/
The survey also finds that for the average British man, a partner becomes too short at 4'11” and too tall at 6'.
Third, Dailymail (UK):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2126093/Womens-idea-perfect-man-A-6ft--48k-year--beer-drinking-meat-eater-Audi.html
The ideal male will also be 6ft tall, have short dark hair and smart dress sense - similar to that of U.S. X Factor host Steve Jones.
Fourth, http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=156380333
In a study by Hensley (1994) women preferred a man who was 72 inches (183 cm) (6ft) tall as a benchmark. The preference for the six foot tall man is overwhelming, says Hensley. In his study, consisting of 145 females, 32 percent reported this as their preferred height
Interestingly, there seems to be a “ceiling effect” where tall males (over 6 feet) suffer a decrease in fitness. That is, women tend to find extremely tall men less attractive. This has been noted by several researchers. Women tend to prefer men of a medium stature over really tall men or really short men. In a study by Graziano et. al. (1978) similar results showed that men of medium height (5’9″- 5’11″) were rated as more attractive over shorter (5’5″- 5’7″) or taller men (6’2″- 6’4″), regardless of the height of the women (4’10″- 6’1″).
I didn't skew the search results. I just searched "ideal male height":https://www.google.com.sg/?gws_rd=ssl#q=ideal+male+height
Read yourself.
So what you gotta say to this ????
This is validation that:
1. There is a cut-off height that is too tall. Probably about 6 feet in Singapore and 1 inch or 2 inch greater in UK/USA/Europe (or as the study shows, it may in fact be 6' or 5'11)
2. The girl friends and guy friends ( gay, straight, bi ) I spoke to, are CORRECT
3. Musicmaker and Diso are not the odd ones out. Yes women think that 6' is probably too tall, or it is at least ON THE EDGE of being too tall.
4. The forum members here have a totally distorted view of facts.
5. Hollywood heights are there for a reason. If you notice, most are below 185 cm (and Hollywood celebrities are generally taller than average persons). Same goes for K-pop, C-Pop and Taiwanese Pop and J-Pop!
So multiple sources say the ideal is about 6 feet, and it might be lower in Singpaore... maybe 180cm. But as I said, I don't care about girls. I wanna feel tall, and I think I can do so at 6 feet in Singapore.
CASE CLOSED 8) (I won, hands down, slam dunk style)
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look at the above post, my statistics. ignore them if u will. don't blame me if your dating is not as successful :-X I wouldn't date you even if you gave me a million dollars.
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My agitated baby, what about the statistics? WESTERN statistics if you will (you love White people, so fine, eat your own poison that WHITE females VOTED that 6' is the best height)
you are just mentally ill. take a chill pill. (Trust me, im a med student)
How can 187 -190 cm be perfect? Unless you did not do maths??
I have all along theorised that 182 is good for Singapore, and in America probably you add 4 cm, and you get about 186 cm. 186-ish is the best height probably in the West. BUT now, in the face of DATA, cold hard DATA, even I am wrong. The best height is STILL 183 for western countries (okay, at least, US and UK)
Repost for your information:
Further confirmation that 6'1 and above are probably too tall:
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/60-is-the-ideal-male-height.453495411/
Interestingly, this graph shows a "ceiling effect" whereby 6' is perfect, 5'11 is good, 6'1 is good, but really if you want perfection, it comes at 6 feet (my future height)
Its Based on dating pools
Second, in UK, 5'11 is ideal (2014)
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/07/11/ideal-height-56-woman-511-man/
Third, Dailymail (UK):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2126093/Womens-idea-perfect-man-A-6ft--48k-year--beer-drinking-meat-eater-Audi.html
Fourth, http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=156380333
I didn't skew the search results. I just searched "ideal male height":https://www.google.com.sg/?gws_rd=ssl#q=ideal+male+height
Read yourself.
So what you gotta say to this ????
This is validation that:
1. There is a cut-off height that is too tall. Probably about 6 feet in Singapore and 1 inch or 2 inch greater in UK/USA/Europe (or as the study shows, it may in fact be 6' or 5'11)
2. The girl friends and guy friends ( gay, straight, bi ) I spoke to, are CORRECT
3. Musicmaker and Diso are not the odd ones out. Yes women think that 6' is probably too tall, or it is at least ON THE EDGE of being too tall.
4. The forum members here have a totally distorted view of facts.
5. Hollywood heights are there for a reason. If you notice, most are below 185 cm (and Hollywood celebrities are generally taller than average persons). Same goes for K-pop, C-Pop and Taiwanese Pop and J-Pop!
So multiple sources say the ideal is about 6 feet, and it might be lower in Singpaore... maybe 180cm. But as I said, I don't care about girls. I wanna feel tall, and I think I can do so at 6 feet in Singapore.
CASE CLOSED 8) (I won, hands down, slam dunk style)
you really really stupid, OMG, what are studying at university :-\ ?
But i'm still gonna anwer you, and i'm going point by point, ok?
-what do statistics say?
It is said the average height for a young ethnic singaporese is 173 or so.
It is said the average for a young ethnic (so white) european is 180 cm within 1 centimeter, which means there are countries where the average is 179 cm and other that average 181 cm.There are a few exeptions such as portugal who are short (174 cm for young men) and the netherlands/yougoslav countries that average 183 cm.OK, did you get this ?
-What do you say
182 cm is good enough.
182-173 cm=9 cm, ok, 182-174=8 cm, so at worst 182 cm is 8 cm above average in your country.
So according to you, being 8 or 9 cm above the average of his own generation is perfect.
-What do i say
by analogy with what you're saying, i can assume that the perfect height for a young man in Europe or the us, is 180+8 cm=188 cm, or at worst 179+8cm=187 cm.
and at best 180+9 cm=189 cm.
the "studies" you provided insinuate the perfect height is only , average or a couple of centimeters above average.
So, if i extrapolate this to your own country, i may suppose the perfect height there, is 173-176 cm.
So then why did you do this surgery since your height were already perfect , or atleast considered perfect :) :) :)
-How tall i am
182.5 cm at night, 184.5 cm when i wake up
-I want to come back to the dailymail article that stated the perfect height is 183 cm, yes, according to the study 183 cm is perfect, but if i remember well, 185 and 188 and 190 cm were almost as good as 183 cm, and got almost as many votes as 183 cm, it doesn't mean 190 cm is too tall and a girl will turn her back on a guy who is 190 cm.It just proved 185 cm is not too tall for a man, btw 25 % are 185 cm or taller, so 25 % would be too tall, ok .
Actually 188 cm is the best compromise between girls who want a tll man, and those who qant a slightly above average man.
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read my other thread.
I have many times said that I think the ideal height in western countries (not that I care about western countries, but just to help the members here) is probably 8 cm above the average or so. SG average is 172-174, Add 7-8 cm I think you have a good height.
According to the study you have provided (US CDC), at Danish males, 178-179 is probably the average.
Now, we add 8 cm and yes you get 186-187 cm.
BUT I am WRONG. According to at least four sources, women prefer about 183 (and not 186-187cm)
So you have to choose. Do you want women? or do you want to feel tall??? I choose to feel tall, but I want women too.
If I become 188 cm in my country, I will be too tall, I will lose women. (look at the four sources above, statistics). So I don't wanna become 188 cm because it is too tall. I wanna become 182 cm+ which is above average in western countries if I go there next time, and also tall in my country.
U and mersault, totally wrong, you want 190 cm, etc. The studies above, you can see very clearly, 190 cm is too tall.
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the "studies" you provided insinuate the perfect height is only , average or a couple of centimeters above average.
So, if i extrapolate this to your own country, i may suppose the perfect height there, is 173-176 cm.
So then why did you do this surgery since your height were already perfect , or atleast considered perfect :) :) :)
well, wrong. in asia, I have asked many women and they said 183 is too tall. same for gay and bisexual guys. the popular ones are about 178 cm. or 176 cm. or 175 cm.
Why I want 182+? I want to feel tall. To be honest, I don't really care about girls. But, I cant lose all girls. am I right?
If I choose 188 in Singapore, I might find difficulty getting girls (there are quite a few 183 cm dudes here in Singapore, but 188 is pretty rare)
182+ is the best compromise in asia. I thought that add 4 cm, and 186 cm+ is the best for western coutnries. But the studies have (unfortunately) proven YOU and ME wrong. the ideal is around 183 even in the West.
no matter how tall you are, or how short you are, some women don't care:
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/07/11/ideal-height-56-woman-511-man/
Similarly, there is no "too short" for 4% of women and no "too tall" for 7%.
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in my country, the ideal height may be 181-182 cm.
it is the best compromise
1. you are not too tall for girls.
2. you feel tall everywhere you go.
3. even gay/bisexual guys like you.
now, why is the ideal height not a few cm above 173/174? why is the ideal height not 178?
1. you are perfect for girls BUT
2. YOU DO NOT FEEL TALL.
I WANT TO FEEL TALL. the most important thing for me is to feel tall.
Girls are second.
Also, for all we know, maybe the ideal height in my country is really 180-182 and NOT 178.... after all, K-pop, Taiwanese-Pop and J-pop artistes tend to be about 180+ .
And I also asked bi/gay guys and girls: 180-182 is good.
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-How tall i am
182.5 cm at night, 184.5 cm when i wake up
you get agitated because I have destroyed the meaning of your limb lengthening surgery.
it depends your motive for LL.
1. If your motive is girls, then forget it. You should do up your career or studies ;) studies have shown that 183 cm is the best.
2. If your motive is to feel tall (same as me), then fine, be 8 cm above average (186 cm++)
my main motive to do LL is to feel tall and good about myself. I wanna be the alpha male in my country, in my university. that is why I chose 182cm. I don't give so much crap about girls (but girls are important too, so I asked them before I did surgery. most girls said 183 is too tall. so I chose 182. maybe the ideal in asia is 178 or something, who knows? but as I
said k-pop and c-pop artistes are mostly 180cm+)
it might be that the universal ideal height is really, 183 cm (or less). Asia, Uk, Europe, it is all the same. Check Hollywood (American pop), check K-pop, check C-pop. It is all the same....
As some members said, the six feet guys in UK/USA (outside Scandinavia) should get their heads checked.
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-I want to come back to the dailymail article that stated the perfect height is 183 cm, yes, according to the study 183 cm is perfect, but if i remember well, 185 and 188 and 190 cm were almost as good as 183 cm, and got almost as many votes as 183 cm, it doesn't mean 190 cm is too tall and a girl will turn her back on a guy who is 190 cm.It just proved 185 cm is not too tall for a man, btw 25 % are 185 cm or taller, so 25 % would be too tall, ok .
Actually 188 cm is the best compromise between girls who want a tll man, and those who qant a slightly above average man.
This is nonsense. dailymail said that best is 183 cm. taller is bad, shorter is bad too.
if you wanna insinuate untruths about the article, please quote.
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you get agitated because I have destroyed the meaning of your limb lengthening surgery.
it depends your motive for LL.
1. If your motive is girls, then forget it. You should do up your career or studies ;) studies have shown that 183 cm is the best.
2. If your motive is to feel tall (same as me), then fine, be 8 cm above average (186 cm++)
my main motive to do LL is to feel tall and good about myself. I wanna be the alpha male in my country, in my university. that is why I chose 182cm. I don't give so much crap about girls (but girls are important too, so I asked them before I did surgery. most girls said 183 is too tall. so I chose 182. maybe the ideal in asia is 178 or something, who knows? but as I
said k-pop and c-pop artistes are mostly 180cm+)
it might be that the universal ideal height is really, 183 cm (or less). Asia, Uk, Europe, it is all the same. Check Hollywood (American pop), check K-pop, check C-pop. It is all the same....
As some members said, the six feet guys in UK/USA (outside Scandinavia) should get their heads checked.
i will be 188 cm, because i just want to be tall, just to not tbe dominated, and dominate 6 footer like you
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i will be 188 cm, because i just want to be tall, just to not tbe dominated, and dominate 6 footer like you
how?u realize that wins(girls) the one that brings the most uniqueness to the table, but u can't sit at the table if u're under 6'0, so how will u do it?
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how?u realize that wins(girls) the one that brings the most uniqueness to the table, but u can't sit at the table if u're under 6'0, so how will u do it?
and?
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i will be 188 cm, because i just want to be tall, just to not tbe dominated, and dominate 6 footer like you
you think I care? and I am sure 5 cm is not enough to dominate.
you want to play this game? then let someone who is 195 cm dominate u? this is a joke.
one hill is always higher than another hill. lengthen to 195 cm then :P and then 200 cm, 210 cm good for u ;)
at 182 cm I am already in top 5-10 percent of my country and that Is all I care (I don't visit western countries usually). even if I go to the west, I will be above average (and not short)
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i changed my signature itsmylife, i hope you will like it :-*
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I think all of us understand and can relate to the bias we face as little guys.
We all have justified it to ourselves , and have had others patronize our feeling of woe.
How many of us have told our wives/ girlfriends they look fat in the dress?
When our wife/girlfriend approaches us for an opinion on breast augmentation , what is our answer?
A) Why? Your breasts are great?
B) I dont think you need it but its what you want to make you happy then great !
C) Men dont like big breasts. That is a myth .
D) Thank God! suk on your little acorns night in and night out is a chore. They have a picture of your chest at the Flat Earth Society.
A guy being 5ft3 or 5ft5 or 5ft 7 automatically alerts women to go into damage control mode. They dont want to be mean. Asking them what their height minimum/maximum will invariable lead to the 'size doesnt matter' crapick they have used on us for millennium.
Here is a fundamental reality that the wise among us accept before the others. Talk is cheap. Never mind the walk, lets see the talk.
What people do is brutally honest as they are acting in their self interests most of the time. What do we see? Do we not see men who are 6ft to 6ft 2 get the best opportunities in life? Admired by other men and lusted by women? It is the fact, and all the chat room threads in the world isnt going to change it one iota.
Consider this:
My daughter has male friends who are having a hard time trying to find jobs after their college semester ends in April. They can barely get interviews. Times are tight.
So I advised that they can sell their blood, or plasma or do other focus groups to raise a little cash. Then I stumbled upon sperm donation.
You can sell your sperm to women who are trying to conceive but their husband cannot have children or they simply dont want a male partner raising the child.
They do a simple screening and divide the donations by factors such as race and aptitude. All depending on what the woman wants in a child.
They also screened for drug abuse, obesity, history of criminal record and of such. However, there was one absolute deal breaker for all the women.
None of them would accept sperm from a man who was shorter than 5ft9 , and even then those who accepted that were low.
I want you all to let that sink in. That is the cold hard reality. And no excuses or spin is going to change it.
Its not 'self depreciating' as some of you have suggested. Its the fact. I didn't make the rules. I am simply old enough to accept the fact I cant wish it away.
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i changed my signature itsmylife, i hope you will like it :-*
LOL! God among Asians? more like monster creature, that nobody likes ;D
even your own race (white women) do not like your future height ::)
what makes you think Asians want you?
at 188 cm, you are too tall for me (if I were bisexual again)
I hve also changed my signature :D
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i changed my signature itsmylife, i hope you will like it :-*
oh yes average height white young men is 178 or 179, not 180 :-*
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LOL! God among Asians? more like monster creature, that nobody likes ;D
even your own race (white women) do not like your future height ::)
what makes you think Asians want you?
at 188 cm, you are too tall for me (if I were bisexual again)
I hve also changed my signature :D
Lmao my best friend is 189 cm, he is the most popular at his school and girls are just mad at him