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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: sadboy on July 04, 2015, 07:43:56 PM
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Hello everyone,
** This is for the people who want to do LL for cosmetic reasons and are very depressed because of their height, such as myself. I am here to answer any of your questions and don't hesitate to private message me. **
I've been in this forum for over a year and as the title says, I cancelled my cosmetic limb lengthening the last moment. I want to share some information with all of you.
I did not do this surgery because I was extremely scared. I thought I was ready for it and I really want to change my height. I will finally admit to myself that I am not strong enough to go through this whole process, pain and unable to walk normally. I remember Yellowspike told me that this surgery is not for impatient people such as myself. He was right, I'm sorry man. Not only that but I love my body and I know I will lose it if I do this procedure. My body and good looks is the only thing that keeps me to this day from committing suicide, I do not know what I would do without them and I am honest with you people. I still suffer a lot and I cry almost every day. I reject opportunities, I have zero confidence and I will always suffer my whole life. At 5'4" I am a short man and constantly judged about my height. Guys, I know how you feel, I know it's really difficult to live in this shallow world with such a disgusting height. I am here to support any one of you.
I spoken with my doctor, Dr. Paley, and even if he is one if the best, I just couldn't do it... I lost all my money since there is no refunds... I wished there was an easier method but that is not happening any time soon. Not only did Dr. Paley mentioned it but I also do not want to give anyone else false hopes. If you want to change your height, or NEED to change it, surgery is the only way and nothing else... This is reality.
MAKE SURE YOU ARE READY FOR THIS, AND TO FACE ANY CONSEQUENCES AND SACRIFICE A LOT OF TIME, MONEY, ENERGY AND EVEN YOUR OWN HEALTH FROM YOUR LIFE.
Thank you
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Paley is keeping all your money? Sounds excessive.
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Paley is keeping all your money? Sounds excessive.
Agreed. That's a pretty shifty policy.
Sorry you backed out OP. I think you would have been happier if you went through with it. Temporary pain of being disabled is better than the permanent pain of being short.
You could have even taken antidepressants while recovering to keep your spirits up until the end result.
But maybe I'm biased since pain and disability don't scare me as long as I know it will resolve.
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I was already taking antidepressants for years now. I just want to be tall and happy what can I say. But honestly, I couldn't do the surgery. I just couldn't.
Oh trust me, pain and disability doesn't scare me either. Or at least I thought. Weeks ago I was so ready for this but when the moment was getting closer I started going nuts and thinking of everything.
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you and I are in similar boat, I am 164.5cm, I'm leaving next week for my surgery.
I just don't see how I can NOT do this surgery, its almost like I am left no choice at this height, its like everyday is a missed opportunity what with 90% of women I walk by im no where near tall enough for.
honestly if I was 5cm taller that would change all that, I know because I have worn lifts that give me that height, at 5 7 I have a chance, 5 5 no chance, don't know what its like to be 5 4 as you say but it must be soo bad I don't see you cannot go through with it.
ask yourself, what is harder , the surgery, or living your life at your height, the answer is clear
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I was already taking antidepressants for years now. I just want to be tall and happy what can I say. But honestly, I couldn't do the surgery. I just couldn't.
Oh trust me, pain and disability doesn't scare me either. Or at least I thought. Weeks ago I was so ready for this but when the moment was getting closer I started going nuts and thinking of everything.
i almost pulled out at the last minute but am so glad i didnt now.. you may regret not doing this for the rest of your life.. i know i would have.. i strongly suggest you think about it harder.. if you believe 100% that you can be happy not doing this than dont but if your not sure than you should really re-consider.. long term happiness is more important than anything.. hope you make the right decision..
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I'm amazed that a doctor as renowned as Dr. Paley would withhold your payment. Maybe if you change your mind at some stage later on he will allow you to continue with the surgery.
Even better, I'll do the surgery for you and pay you back half of your money ;) JK
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You gormless coward.
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You gormless coward.
That's a bit harsh.
Sadboy, you don't want to be a sadboy your whole life. Better to be a really sadboy for a few months and then move on as a taller, less sadboy. I would rethink this decision.
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Hurry up and do the surgery since you already paid for it and will end up regretting your decision for the rest of your life. Each individual's case is different but MDOW did say that he didn't need his antidepressants as much after LL.
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The LL demographic is varied from youthful and naive, youthful sages, mature and middle aged or immature and middle aged. Chronological age and mental maturity or immaturity all combine to attract folks to LL for various reasons at various stages of their lives.
Each have their own advantages and disadvantages. Young and naive have nothing to fear since they know little they dont fear surgery. The more mature umm and arrr through all the pros and cons over and over again till they decide or dont decide to have surgery.
I had Ilizarov to correct tibia curvature long before the internet. I knew only what the doc told me which wasnt very much. Certainly he didnt mention the agonizing pain in the first 24 hours and the claustrophobic feeling of having two clunky and heavy metal cages on your legs for months on end. Presently will probably do LL with monorail knowing full well how painful, inconvenient and potentially perilous it can be.
Sensible safe and recommended LL of 5-7cm or 2-3in extra is not going to change anyones life including myself. We are fooling ourselves if we think it will. Why go through the expense, inconvenience and potential dangers? Because we can is the simple answer. We are curious creatures.
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I will see if I can negotiate and get some money back. This policy thing in America is ridiculous. Other than that it's too late to do the surgery. I returned back, after a long stressful trip.
You gormless coward.
Shut up, will you?
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Just want to say that anyone who thinks 7 cm can't change your life, I's wrong
I did around 7.5 from 169 To 175-176
There is a big difference. It matters
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Sadboy, can I do the surgery that you paid for? Since you're not going to use it? I would greatly appreciate it as it would take me ages to afford Dr. Paley. and 5-7 more CM would truly mean the world to me. I'm only half joking :)
But really, I think you should reconsider and travel back to West Palm Beach ASAP before Dr. Palely takes your money and refuses to do the surgery on you. With a greater height you'll have so much less to dislike about yourself and Dr. Paley is one of the safest LL docs out there. What an amazing opportunity you have. For your own happiness and wellbeing, please consider this very carefully.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuHfVn_cfHU
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Guys, I lost the opportunity already. This surgery is not easy and I've been through a lot throughout my whole life. I was so stressed to do it. I felt a huge relief when I decided not to do it.
Let me know if you guys will actually do it when the time comes... Don't force yourself if you are having second thoughts.
I will ask Dr. Paley if I can get some money back. If not, then their policies are pathetic. They were forcing me to pay the money in advance or else the surgery was going to be cancelled and that was stressing. And now, bye bye money, you are not getting any, we don't care if you suffer or not.
UPDATING MESSAGE
No refund guys. Such a shame. All that money lost. He says he could have replaced me with another patient. THIS PROVES THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT THE MONEY. GUYS WAKE UP. I am very disappointed in them, what can I say. This is the best doctor huh? Do you guys know how many patients he has? He gets tons of money... And now he complains that he lost a patient. I PAID HIM, he got his money. What is his problem??
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Guys, I lost the opportunity already. This surgery is not easy and I've been through a lot throughout my whole life. I was so stressed to do it. I felt a huge relief when I decided not to do it.
Let me know if you guys will actually do it when the time comes... Don't force yourself if you are having second thoughts.
I will ask Dr. Paley if I can get some money back. If not, then their policies are pathetic. They were forcing me to pay the money in advance or else the surgery was going to be cancelled and that was stressing. And now, bye bye money, you are not getting any, we don't care if you suffer or not.
UPDATING MESSAGE
No refund guys. Such a shame. All that money lost. He says he could have replaced me with another patient. THIS PROVES THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT THE MONEY. GUYS WAKE UP. I am very disappointed in them, what can I say. This is the best doctor huh? Do you guys know how many patients he has? He gets tons of money... And now he complains that he lost a patient. I PAID HIM, he got his money. What is his problem??
thats really bad of them.. when i told the doctor i didnt want to do it the hospital was about to give me most my money back.. to think they are charging 10 times more and then just keeping your money is disgusting i would be going absolutely mental..
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No refund of any money ?
How much did you give him ?
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No refund of any money ?
How much did you give him ?
80% of it 65,000 dollars. This hospital is not a hospital, it's a business. And I only paid the deposit they wanted which was 10,000. I was planning on paying it the day I visit them to see how the clinic is etc... But like I said, they were FORCING ME to pay the money in advance or else the surgery would he cancelled since it's their fcking policy... What is this bullcrap?! And thank God I didn't pay them the rest. I would have lost that too...
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Guys, can anyone post this on old forum ?? We must spread the message that he got almost all my money. Please send them a link of my question to WAKE PEOPLE UP!
I don't have an old forum account, so if anyone will spread the word, please let me know.
PS old forum = M. M. T
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you and I are in similar boat, I am 164.5cm, I'm leaving next week for my surgery.
I just don't see how I can NOT do this surgery, its almost like I am left no choice at this height, its like everyday is a missed opportunity what with 90% of women I walk by im no where near tall enough for.
honestly if I was 5cm taller that would change all that, I know because I have worn lifts that give me that height, at 5 7 I have a chance, 5 5 no chance, don't know what its like to be 5 4 as you say but it must be soo bad I don't see you cannot go through with it.
ask yourself, what is harder , the surgery, or living your life at your height, the answer is clear
being taller isnt going to improve your chances with women, you have many other issues to overcome.
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Sorry, couldn't help it.
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Just want to say that anyone who thinks 7 cm can't change your life, I's wrong
I did around 7.5 from 169 To 175-176
There is a big difference. It matters
Tell us, we could all use the motivation.
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Under 170 you don't exist for most women
I'm
Not tall now but no one considers me short. It has allowed me in the game do to speak
With 4 cm lifts I can be near 180
Very few women will outright reject you over 174 cm
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at 165 i can tell you that more tan 90% of womans will reject you because of your height, when i wear my lifts im like 170 and im much more succesfull with them
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I hope you know how many of us would not even think twice to have taken your spot. You should have grown a pair; however, I also understand how you feel. When anxiety and fear overtakes you, their is very little you can do.
Also this kind of behavior from the doctor is disgusting. I hope you can get this out everywhere and ruin his rep. Every doctor should be able to understand what you were going through and they should have worked with you on it.
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I hope you know how many of us would not even think twice to have taken your spot. You should have grown a pair; however, I also understand how you feel. When anxiety and fear overtakes you, their is very little you can do.
Also this kind of behavior from the doctor is disgusting. I hope you can get this out everywhere and ruin his rep. Every doctor should be able to understand what you were going through and they should have worked with you on it.
I know what you mean by telling me I should have grown a pair. I was keep telling myself that but I swear, I felt so bad, I just couldn't. I was so ready for it weeks ago. I will ask him again about the money and see what I can do.
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ye going from 165 to 170 would have been huge, you are tall enough for short girls at 170, at 165 you just too short, should have done the operation, but what are you going to do now just live life at 163 (can I check if that is your actual height), cry every day as you say, suffer everyday.
can I ask your age, maybe you are too young to go through with this, maybe you are 20, if so lets hope you can get it together in a couple of years.
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How old are you and was that your money or your parents? I believe you made the right move your attitude is not right for the surgery. Maybe in future but you sound like you have some mental health issues to deal with first.
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80% of it 65,000 dollars. This hospital is not a hospital, it's a business. And I only paid the deposit they wanted which was 10,000. I was planning on paying it the day I visit them to see how the clinic is etc... But like I said, they were FORCING ME to pay the money in advance or else the surgery would he cancelled since it's their fcking policy... What is this bullcrap?! And thank God I didn't pay them the rest. I would have lost that too...
I know what you mean by telling me I should have grown a pair. I was keep telling myself that but I swear, I felt so bad, I just couldn't. I was so ready for it weeks ago. I will ask him again about the money and see what I can do.
If you only lost your $10,000 deposit, that's not too bad.
I'd still try to get some of that money back, but if you still have $70,000 left out of your surgery savings of $80,000… that's pretty dam good.
Just continue saving your money, eat healthy, exercise regularly and your life can be pretty good… instead of possibly living with daily aches and pain and walking with a limp and having no money left.
Noone should have this surgery done unless they are positive they can live with the possible negative consequences, so I'd say you are brave for not going thru with it despite the social pressures. If you can learn to accept yourself the way you are, then who the hell is anyone else to call you a coward for that?
It's funny how some people in this forum are saying you have mental issues for not going thru with this surgery when the majority of "normal" people including many doctors would say that only people with mental issues would even consider this drastic surgery.
Noone should judge those who chose to have this surgery done and likewise, noone should have a problem with those who chose not to go thru with it.
Btw, you may want to socialize with latina and asian girls for dating. There are very pretty girls that don't mind dating shorter guys who are good looking and also have a decent income. Im talking about the ones that typically hang out with latino and asian guys and girls... not the ones only hanging out with white guys because those tend to hate their own racial stereotypes and only want to date Brad Pitt's twin. So you might want to make friends with latino and asian guys around your height and get introduced to the girls that date them.
You might even want to use some of your savings to take overseas vacations because many western expats retire in Asian and South American countries and living dam good lives there. Just don't send money online to girls you never met… lol.
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lol good advice move to Asian countries to become taller.
or yeah try to find Asian girls in his country, hardly any of them their sadly.
but the problem is he isn't accepting his height at all, he is still hating his height, if he were to accept his height okay then but he isn't, he says he feesl bad at this height, but is scared of ll, so it opting to feel bad further still.
he should either accept his height and be content with it, or do the op. , none of this 'life sucks at my height'
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I agree with mini. You have no mental issues. Any normal person would be extremely scared having their bones cut in their legs.
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lol good advice move to Asian countries to become taller.
or yeah try to find Asian girls in his country, hardly any of them their sadly.
but the problem is he isn't accepting his height at all, he is still hating his height, if he were to accept his height okay then but he isn't, he says he feesl bad at this height, but is scared of ll, so it opting to feel bad further still.
he should either accept his height and be content with it, or do the op. , none of this 'life sucks at my height'
Many of those guys retiring in Asian countries are happier and healthier than poster boy Apotheosis.
Besides, Asia and South America is already moving into the United States. Many neighborhoods converted with Asian markets in NY and San Francisco and California and Texas converted to South American markets
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He doesn't need to move to Asia at all, but it's the future since many Americans are being relocated there by their companies for work as well.
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Guys, accepting height either means two things:
1) I'm OK, and satisfied with it now. No need to change it
2) OK, I dislike my height and always will, but that will not stop me from gaining confidence and fight for my goals
I CANNOT DO ANY OF THOSE. Yes, I might have mental problems. Why? Beause of my height. I've been through soooo much from it you guys cannot imagine. Sometimes I feel I'm the only real sad person on this forum because of my height...
And thank you for your advice about women. I had great relationships with women. They like me, but I will never like myself. Also I am a bisexual man. Men do not care about height at all actually (very few) that's a benefit for me, but it still doesn't stop the way I feel about myself.
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There isn't s mass exodus of Americans to Asia
I know very few people in Asia.
Chinese will learn English and move here before we learn mandarin
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Dude I'm pretty sure we can understand how you feel about your height
This is a limb lengthening board. Many people ,including me have gotten surgery to taller
If you don't wanna do it,it's ok. You should accept your height now though and not complain so much. You had a date for surgery and you paid money then you cancelled
Be happy with your decision
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There isn't s mass exodus of Americans to Asia
I know very few people in Asia.
Chinese will learn English and move here before we learn mandarin
Many people in Asia complain about all the western expats moving there just as Americans complain about immigrants here.
Depends on where you live… In NY, my neighborhood is almost 100% Asian and that does NOT include chinatown. Many speak mandarin or cantonese on a daily basis. My company in manhattan was purchased by a Hong Kong corporation… half the executives speak mandarin at work.
There are plenty of Americans on forums complaining how factories hire only mexicans on the low end of jobs (They speak mostly spanish at work) and complaining about IT companies hiring graduates from Asia on a work visa to replace them. Many nurses are hired from the philippines... so many that some hospitals tried to enforce "english - only" in languages being spoken by their staff.
Along with America's neighborhoods and workplace changing, I know lots of "expats" as well. Working overseas and Retirement by americans overseas is growing… not dwindling.
That's good for shorter guys in the west, since short in the west is average or even tall elsewhere in the world.
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Dude I'm pretty sure we can
Well apparently you didn't accept it that's why you did LL. There are some things people cannot get over, some could seem worse than others. It's like a mother losing her child. No matter what you do, take her to psychologists, give her medication, etc... She will never get over it.
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There isn't s mass exodus of Americans to Asia
I know very few people in Asia.
Chinese will learn English and move here before we learn mandarin
I moved to China, but only for the three months as I'm studying here during the summer. I do feel much taller in Asia than in the west. I'm in Shenzhen, by the way.
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Hello everyone,
** This is for the people who want to do LL for cosmetic reasons and are very depressed because of their height, such as myself. I am here to answer any of your questions and don't hesitate to private message me. **
I've been in this forum for over a year and as the title says, I cancelled my cosmetic limb lengthening the last moment. I want to share some information with all of you.
I did not do this surgery because I was extremely scared. I thought I was ready for it and I really want to change my height. I will finally admit to myself that I am not strong enough to go through this whole process, pain and unable to walk normally. I remember Yellowspike told me that this surgery is not for impatient people such as myself. He was right, I'm sorry man. Not only that but I love my body and I know I will lose it if I do this procedure. My body and good looks is the only thing that keeps me to this day from committing suicide, I do not know what I would do without them and I am honest with you people. I still suffer a lot and I cry almost every day. I reject opportunities, I have zero confidence and I will always suffer my whole life. At 5'4" I am a short man and constantly judged about my height. Guys, I know how you feel, I know it's really difficult to live in this shallow world with such a disgusting height. I am here to support any one of you.
I spoken with my doctor, Dr. Paley, and even if he is one if the best, I just couldn't do it... I lost all my money since there is no refunds... I wished there was an easier method but that is not happening any time soon. Not only did Dr. Paley mentioned it but I also do not want to give anyone else false hopes. If you want to change your height, or NEED to change it, surgery is the only way and nothing else... This is reality.
MAKE SURE YOU ARE READY FOR THIS, AND TO FACE ANY CONSEQUENCES AND SACRIFICE A LOT OF TIME, MONEY, ENERGY AND EVEN YOUR OWN HEALTH FROM YOUR LIFE.
Thank you
Panda bear .... Does not believe your story ... You only paid an initial.... deposit not the full amount ... Panda:-)
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Panda bear needs proof :-)
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Believing two finger widths of extra height will dramatically change ones life is called THE PLACEBO EFFECT. The annals of show biz are filled with short guys with beautiful women. Its probably the same in the general community. I suggest personal confidence is more important than any physical aspect.
I have a muscular body with low body fat compared to many years ago thanks to regular resistance training, cardio and proper diet. Modesty aside I probably have a better body than 99% of the population. I am 5ft 5in or 165. Did my life dramatically change in going from a normal shmoe to a lean muscular machine? NO aside from a few extra compliments here and there and maybe one or two extra glances on the beach.
Will my l life dramatically change after LL? NO. Too many folks regard LL with the same mindless zealotry of religious fanatics. Lets keep it all in perspective folks. Nothing wrong with LL but its not the be all and end all of everything.
PS What does change ones life most dramatically is correction of abnormal curvature of tibias. My own experience is proof of that. Being able to just take a walk in public without feeling like an extra from a horror movie is something but again not everyone with bowed legs even bothers to have correction which goes back to my assertion that ones own personal confidence is what makes a difference not any particular physical aspect.
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Hey Corto I believe LL has the biggest effect on those going from slightly below average to average and above. Guys who are for example 164 going to 172 will have a big improvement but in reality they are still below average height. The real advantages kick in once you become average or above. The other issue for shorter guys is they tend to look off when they do same amount of lengthening as taller guys due to the rest of their bodies being smaller which brings in a whole new range of issues. This why some people are perpetual patients.
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Sad boy
You are lying to yourself if you think are over ot
You will be thinking about this forever
3 inches makes a big difference
Bring 5'5 is a lot different than 5' 8 or 5'9
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Hey Corto I believe LL has the biggest effect on those going from slightly below average to average and above. Guys who are for example 164 going to 172 will have a big improvement but in reality they are still below average height. The real advantages kick in once you become average or above. The other issue for shorter guys is they tend to look off when they do same amount of lengthening as taller guys due to the rest of their bodies being smaller which brings in a whole new range of issues. This why some people are perpetual patients.
I doubt anything less than 6 in or 15 cm increase is even noticeable to anyone but yourself really which is not to say its not worth it. If I could get 6 in, 15 cm in one hit I would but am not desperate enough to do tibias and femurs together or seperately.
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Sad boy
You are lying to yourself if you think are over ot
You will be thinking about this forever
3 inches makes a big difference
Bring 5'5 is a lot different than 5' 8 or 5'9
I'm not lying to myself. I know I will never get over it BUT I did not throw LL out of my life. I will change my height one day, I definitely do not want to die like this. I just wasn't ready, I need to calm down a bit even though I suffered and still suffer a lot.
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UPDATE
Guys I finally got a refund of more than 50% of my money. Due to cancelling the surgery the last minute I wasn't allowed to get all of it back because of the policy. But everything worked out!
Just wanted to update to you all!
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okay that's good, you must be pretty rich to afford LL at that price, at least money is attractive to women.
but i don't understand what you say when you say i will fix my height one day, i dont want to die like this, lol sounds like a random statement. i wouldnt wait until your 45+ to do this LL and think you are cured. the older you get the worse it gets you need to do this sooner rather than later.
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UPDATE
Guys I finally got a refund of more than 50% of my money. Due to cancelling the surgery the last minute I wasn't allowed to get all of it back because of the policy. But everything worked out!
Just wanted to update to you all!
How last minute are you talking? A week? A few days?
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I'm not lying to myself. I know I will never get over it BUT I did not throw LL out of my life. I will change my height one day, I definitely do not want to die like this. I just wasn't ready, I need to calm down a bit even though I suffered and still suffer a lot.
Your situation is very common. I refused FREE Ilizarov LL about ten years ago firstly because several months in Ilizarovs is way too long for me. Second because I just had my tibias straightened which was such a great feeling that being "short" seemed relatively unimportant. Yes I do regret it in hindsight which is why Im probably doing monorails in early 2016. Intellectually I know that the recommended amount of LL IS TOTALLY POINTLESS in my case going from 5ft 5 to 5ft 7 or 5ft 8 is a waste of time and money and unnecessary risk but emotionally I still feel the need to do it just to get it out of my system and put it behind me.
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Keep lying to yourself that 5'8 is the same as 5'5
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Keep lying to yourself that 5'8 is the same as 5'5
Keep bashing that Bible Reverend. This is why middle aged guys should not join forums full of "bros" who use words like "dude" which is why Im leaving this forum as of now. Anyone can buy a pair of 3 inch or higher elevator sneakers from China for a few hundred dollars and see how they will magically allow you to transform water into wine. My life is full, pretty girlfriend, days at the beach, no need to work, travelling as I please. Do I need to read stupid posts from juveniles? NO
Good luck to all the LL might see you in Serbia in 2016. If the Moderator or similar can kindly delete my account would be much appreciated. Thanks
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Keep bashing that Bible Reverend. This is why middle aged guys should not join forums full of "bros" who use words like "dude" which is why Im leaving this forum as of now. Anyone can buy a pair of 3 inch or higher elevator sneakers from China for a few hundred dollars and see how they will magically allow you to transform water into wine. My life is full, pretty girlfriend, days at the beach, no need to work, travelling as I please. Do I need to read stupid posts from juveniles? NO
Good luck to all the LL might see you in Serbia in 2016. If the Moderator or similar can kindly delete my account would be much appreciated. Thanks
Do not delete your account just because you do not agree with some people. It is not worth it. I'm glad you can understand me by saying that my situation is pretty common. I heard about people who wanted to do CLL and cancelled it later on because of various reasons.
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Keep bashing that Bible Reverend. This is why middle aged guys should not join forums full of "bros" who use words like "dude" which is why Im leaving this forum as of now. Anyone can buy a pair of 3 inch or higher elevator sneakers from China for a few hundred dollars and see how they will magically allow you to transform water into wine. My life is full, pretty girlfriend, days at the beach, no need to work, travelling as I please. Do I need to read stupid posts from juveniles? NO
Good luck to all the LL might see you in Serbia in 2016. If the Moderator or similar can kindly delete my account would be much appreciated. Thanks
Corto. You are the one writing long replies on the forum and seem to be upset that people disagree with you
You obviously care very much about your height and you would like us to say " please don't go, we need you so much "
You should be enjoying your 5' 5 height at the beach right now anyway
And FYI no shoes make you 3 inches taller unless you're walking around in platform shoes
Ciao
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i don't understand why is corto getting LL if being 5 5 is so great.
and yeah wouldn't mind seeing these amazing shoes that give you 7cm of height compared to a typical pair of shoes, maybe its one of those goth boots which are like heels on a platform,
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/cd/d8/a8/cdd8a846a43bf4b980e641b9c455103d.jpg)
because otherwise at most you are looking at 4cm max from elevator shoes, example below
http://www.tallmenshoes.com/elevator-shoes-k8828102.html
i've bought them all, and they are horrible to walk in so you can't live in them, even the 4cm ones, no way can you do 8 hour day job in them.
also when you are at the beach you take your shoes off, so what happens when these beutiful women realise your not 5 8 in your goth boots but in fact 5 5.
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Keep bashing that Bible Reverend. This is why middle aged guys should not join forums full of "bros" who use words like "dude" which is why Im leaving this forum as of now. Anyone can buy a pair of 3 inch or higher elevator sneakers from China for a few hundred dollars and see how they will magically allow you to transform water into wine. My life is full, pretty girlfriend, days at the beach, no need to work, travelling as I please. Do I need to read stupid posts from juveniles? NO
Good luck to all the LL might see you in Serbia in 2016. If the Moderator or similar can kindly delete my account would be much appreciated. Thanks
Please do not go just because of some immature dudes who think that they know a hell lot of things when they are actually wrong... his grammar is atrocious too and I am a non-native speaker.. :o
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Sad boy
You are lying to yourself if you think are over ot
You will be thinking about this forever
3 inches makes a big difference
Bring 5'5 is a lot different than 5' 8 or 5'9
not too much difference as still not anywhere close to 6 feet.
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only a stupid thinks that 5´8 is the same as 5´5 , you are so inmature , keep lying to your self
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3 inches are a HUGE difference regardless of your starting height. I´d go from 5´10 to 6´1 which is from average to (sort of) tall. If you start at a shorter height the difference is even bigger.
Everyone notices a difference of 3 inches, even one inch is already noticable.
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Please do not go just because of some immature dudes who think that they know a hell lot of things when they are actually wrong... his grammar is atrocious too and I am a non-native speaker.. :o
super girl,please correct my grammar. I do admit though that I don't put too much work into my posts online
thanks
and btw, furthering micromans's points,
Why is he getting surgery in 2016 if it's such a waste of time???
Being 5'5 is hard for a man. Being 5'8 or 5'9 is much better. Court obviously agrees with this, otherwise he woulld not be getting surgery in 2016
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Wow...I can relate to this post big time.
I was going to do the surgery with Dr. Rozbruch, but backed out three times (right before the deposit was officially due), but I never lost any money. I ultimately went with Dr. Guichet because I just couldn't handle the wheelchair part of this (I just couldn't mentally deal with being in a wheelchair from a cosmetic/elective surgery). That, and I didn't want anyone I know to see me going through the worst parts of this terrible process. But the wheelchair was the main dealbreaker to me, and at the time, this surgery freaked me out too.
Everytime I backed out, I regretted it, and I knew even though the process was going to royally blow, I had to get this sh*t done (being 166cm/5'5 1/3" was just unacceptable to me). Oddly enough, I had so much drama leading up to my surgery date, that I didn't have time to be scared. And I was NOT gonna let Dr G. keep all my money and me still be short, f'ck that! I don't regret it, but the recovery is long (it's almost 7 months post-op for me, and my walking still isn't entirely normal, but is getting better little by little). But being 173/5'8", while still short, is a huge improvement. It's annoying that walking still isn't effortless for me yet, but overall, the height increase is worth it socially (and with women). Don't think I want to mess with tibias, and I'm strongly considering doing another inch to 5'9" next year and just dealing with slightly long femurs (although my femurs look fine to me in real life, even out of clothes).
I'm really sorry sadboy. Is there no way Paley will even give you a partial refund? Surgery of any kind is scary, and this surgery is something sorta outta a horror movie, so I understand where you're coming from...but man...I'm really sorry bro...
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If I was you I would go ahead with surgery and take anti-depressants and anti-anxiolytics..
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Under 170 you don't exist for most women
I'm
Not tall now but no one considers me short. It has allowed me in the game do to speak
With 4 cm lifts I can be near 180
Very few women will outright reject you over 174 cm
But some users here (endomorphisme) say that you might be rejected as long as you are below 6'1. How do you answer to him? In other words, being 6' and below sucks.
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Crimsontide is right. I have neither the energy nor desire to engage in a "what height do you need to be to be alpha" discussion. I still feel short at 5'8", but a few petite girls have actually referred to me as "tall" recently lol. I had to stop myself from laughing in their faces. I'm also very handsome and have a good body and good career...so while I'm still short and still want to be taller, I know my height now won't hold me back with women too much. Of course, making a clone of me and make him 6ft+ and he'd get way more attention, but rarely are all others things equal in that sense.
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Crimsontide is right. I have neither the energy nor desire to engage in a "what height do you need to be to be alpha" discussion. I still feel short at 5'8", but a few petite girls have actually referred to me as "tall" recently lol. I had to stop myself from laughing in their faces. I'm also very handsome and have a good body and good career...so while I'm still short and still want to be taller, I know my height now won't hold me back with women too much. Of course, making a clone of me and make him 6ft+ and he'd get way more attention, but rarely are all others things equal in that sense.
So if a guy is 6'1 and wants to be 6'4, does it make a difference? IMHO, no, whats your opinion?
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Wow...I can relate to this post big time.
I was going to do the surgery with Dr. Rozbruch, but backed out three times (right before the deposit was officially due), but I never lost any money. I ultimately went with Dr. Guichet because I just couldn't handle the wheelchair part of this (I just couldn't mentally deal with being in a wheelchair from a cosmetic/elective surgery). That, and I didn't want anyone I know to see me going through the worst parts of this terrible process. But the wheelchair was the main dealbreaker to me, and at the time, this surgery freaked me out too.
Everytime I backed out, I regretted it, and I knew even though the process was going to royally blow, I had to get this sh*t done (being 166cm/5'5 1/3" was just unacceptable to me). Oddly enough, I had so much drama leading up to my surgery date, that I didn't have time to be scared. And I was NOT gonna let Dr G. keep all my money and me still be short, f'ck that! I don't regret it, but the recovery is long (it's almost 7 months post-op for me, and my walking still isn't entirely normal, but is getting better little by little). But being 173/5'8", while still short, is a huge improvement. It's annoying that walking still isn't effortless for me yet, but overall, the height increase is worth it socially (and with women). Don't think I want to mess with tibias, and I'm strongly considering doing another inch to 5'9" next year and just dealing with slightly long femurs (although my femurs look fine to me in real life, even out of clothes).
I'm really sorry sadboy. Is there no way Paley will even give you a partial refund? Surgery of any kind is scary, and this surgery is something sorta outta a horror movie, so I understand where you're coming from...but man...I'm really sorry bro...
Thank you for your support. So you can understand how I feel. Another reason why I backed off is what you said right now. 7 months and still not healed or walking normally. I'm very impatient for that. Also you lost your ass, legs etc... That will cause me to feel unattractive and for me, being handsome is more important than height. So, basically if I feel unattractive then I will end my life. This might seem vain but trust me I am not a shallow guy. My girlfriends and boyfriends were not even attractive to begin with. It's just that, I do not want to lose something that gives me at least slight confidence to be at least a little happy in my own skin.
PS. Are people even reading the whole post? Supergirl I've been taking anti-depressants for years now... I hate repeating myself.
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How last minute are you talking? A week? A few days?
A few days before my surgery. After a long talk with the doctor of course for a week.
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Thank you for your support. So you can understand how I feel. Another reason why I backed off is what you said right now. 7 months and still not healed or walking normally. I'm very impatient for that. Also you lost your ass, legs etc... That will cause me to feel unattractive and for me, being handsome is more important than height. So, basically if I feel unattractive then I will end my life. This might seem vain but trust me I am not a shallow guy. My girlfriends and boyfriends were not even attractive to begin with. It's just that, I do not want to lose something that gives me at least slight confidence to be at least a little happy in my own skin.
PS. Are people even reading the whole post? Supergirl I've been taking anti-depressants for years now... I hate repeating myself.
Get off the anti depressants now. They fk your brain up for life.
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Thank you for your support. So you can understand how I feel. Another reason why I backed off is what you said right now. 7 months and still not healed or walking normally. I'm very impatient for that. Also you lost your ass, legs etc... That will cause me to feel unattractive and for me, being handsome is more important than height. So, basically if I feel unattractive then I will end my life. This might seem vain but trust me I am not a shallow guy. My girlfriends and boyfriends were not even attractive to begin with. It's just that, I do not want to lose something that gives me at least slight confidence to be at least a little happy in my own skin.
PS. Are people even reading the whole post? Supergirl I've been taking anti-depressants for years now... I hate repeating myself.
Like I said, if anyone doesn't have the patience, then definitely do not do LL. ShyShy and OBG like recoveries are NOT the norm. OBG did I think 5.5cm, maybe I'd be further along if I didn't go to 7cm+ (since the nail probably gave me a bit more than that). ShyShy is an outlier and I think very lucky (and he also worked very hard). I have had been working since 3.5 months post-op (from home for a while, then back to the office). So, I've had to juggle a lot. My walking is actually pretty good, it's only bad when I've been sitting for a while and I get tight. But there are times where my walking feels normal, and the hip sway is very subtle and virtually undetectable. My quads don't look that bad, and my ass is starting to look a little better (and will get even better faster when I can hit heavier weights again and do a bulk cycle after the summer).
As much as the process (especially the recovery time) blows, I knew this would always be in the back of my head if I didn't do it, so I kinda had no choice personally. Height neurosis is one of those things that I don't think really goes away, you just either learn to live with it/manage it, or suck it up and do LL.
But the reality of LL is that the recovery process takes quite a bit longer than some diaries would have you believe. That is something I wish I knew going into this. I focused on the really epic diaries like ShyShy and hoped I could replicate that...but there are many other factors that come into play (our own bodies and what they can tolerate, juggling other responsibilities they may not have had to, etc.) and don't expect to be like them. This sh*t takes longer than some might think, but it will eventually end.
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Like I said, if anyone doesn't have the patience, then definitely do not do LL. ShyShy and OBG like recoveries are NOT the norm. OBG did I think 5.5cm, maybe I'd be further along if I didn't go to 7cm+ (since the nail probably gave me a bit more than that). ShyShy is an outlier and I think very lucky (and he also worked very hard). I have had been working since 3.5 months post-op (from home for a while, then back to the office). So, I've had to juggle a lot. My walking is actually pretty good, it's only bad when I've been sitting for a while and I get tight. But there are times where my walking feels normal, and the hip sway is very subtle and virtually undetectable. My quads don't look that bad, and my ass is starting to look a little better (and will get even better faster when I can hit heavier weights again and do a bulk cycle after the summer).
As much as the process (especially the recovery time) blows, I knew this would always be in the back of my head if I didn't do it, so I kinda had no choice personally. Height neurosis is one of those things that I don't think really goes away, you just either learn to live with it/manage it, or suck it up and do LL.
But the reality of LL is that the recovery process takes quite a bit longer than some diaries would have you believe. That is something I wish I knew going into this. I focused on the really epic diaries like ShyShy and hoped I could replicate that...but there are many other factors that come into play (our own bodies and what they can tolerate, juggling other responsibilities they may not have had to, etc.) and don't expect to be like them. This sh*t takes longer than some might think, but it will eventually end.
bulk cycle?..you know you loose everything when you go off the drug right?
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I was telling you to take MORE antidepressants and anti-anxiety medication so you become a walking zombie.. shut off your brain cells as that is how they work.. since it is malfunctioning. sleep and be sedated daily until the entire episode is over.. and it will be over in a flash under sedation...
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on continuation of what yellowspike said there is no way im doing 7 cm due to recovery time, i want to solve my height prolem in 8 months so im sticking with 5cm, at that point i will happily accept my height.
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on continuation of what yellowspike said there is no way im doing 7 cm due to recovery time, i want to solve my height prolem in 8 months so im sticking with 5cm, at that point i will happily accept my height.
why settle for less, as a girl i am doing from 173 to 180 or 181.
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bulk cycle?..you know you loose everything when you go off the drug right?
Um...who said anything about drugs? I am all natural my friend. No roids or anything like that. I meant that after the summer, I intend to up my calorie in take to get bigger (but my size is actually already really good for my 5'8", just my quads and ass need to get back to where they were).
on continuation of what yellowspike said there is no way im doing 7 cm due to recovery time, i want to solve my height prolem in 8 months so im sticking with 5cm, at that point i will happily accept my height.
Well, my opinion on this is...for all the pain, suffering, financial woes, and recovery time you are going to go through, I think it's best to push for as much as possible. I actually wanted to go for a little more, but my result ended up in the range that I wanted. Yeah, maybe my recovery would be further along if I stopped at 5cm, but eff that, I wanted as much as I could get. Some guys with Dr. G/Dr. Betz get like 9-10cm in one surgery (but I'd say they are rare, and probably have super long recoveries). I am still heavily considering doing another inch next year to be fully done with this. My only slight concern is femur/tibia proportions, but I don't think another inch will make them that terrible (and they look fine to me now, and will be even better once my quads fill out some more).
Just do not assume that you will be happy with just 5cm, or even fully happy with 7cm. The whole point of this surgery is not to have to wear lifts ever again. I still feel short at 5'8", yeah it's better than where I was that's for damn sure...but don't assume a certain number will make you happy. I'd say, if you have the time to devote to recovery, since the process will royally blow regardless, you should push for as much as you possibly can. Just my opinion of course. If Dr. G didn't demand that I stop at 7cm, I would have gone for more (but in retrospect, I'm glad I stopped when I did in terms of my recovery).
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I know im happy 5cm taller simply because i have worn lifts to that gain, that is how i know so no assuming is necessary, I've worn lifts to 5 and 6cm and been happy with my height in either of them, I'm not as big of a height person as some people on this forum are.
i will re post my height evaluation being 6cm taller
Men much shorter than me (6cm) 5
Men shorter than me (3cm) 14
Men same height 24
Men taller than me 14
Men much taller than me 9
Total people sampled 65
so yeah i was happy, i mean i wear nike air anyway which gives 1cm so i will be that height after 5cm.
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Never came close to wanting to back out. Wasn't even nervous walking into it the day of operation.
I think my mind is at the point where I realize life is short, and its the only one you've get, so certain things you just need to go for or regret. I hope you find happiness with your decision, and it is very unfortunate you lost the money(I don't think you lost it all, there should only be a certain percentage he keeps).
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Never came close to wanting to back out. Wasn't even nervous walking into it the day of operation.
I think my mind is at the point where I realize life is short, and its the only one you've get, so certain things you just need to go for or regret. I hope you find happiness with your decision, and it is very unfortunate you lost the money(I don't think you lost it all, there should only be a certain percentage he keeps).
100% agree. I have this surgery soon and do I want to have my legs broken? Hell no, but it'll improve my quality of life immensely.
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Never came close to wanting to back out. Wasn't even nervous walking into it the day of operation.
I think my mind is at the point where I realize life is short, and its the only one you've get, so certain things you just need to go for or regret. I hope you find happiness with your decision, and it is very unfortunate you lost the money(I don't think you lost it all, there should only be a certain percentage he keeps).
How is your healing process going even after a year?
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My recovery was slow, the slowest of all I lengthened with by far.
But the peace of mind is something worth every penny, minute of pain, and months of downtime. Yes it took me 8 months to recover enough to walk mostly normally, but when I do walk I am now comfortable in my own skin. Sure there were times when I was not doing well that there were frustrations, but every minute of every day until I went through with this was a frustration.
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I know im happy 5cm taller simply because i have worn lifts to that gain, that is how i know so no assuming is necessary, I've worn lifts to 5 and 6cm and been happy with my height in either of them, I'm not as big of a height person as some people on this forum are.
i will re post my height evaluation being 6cm taller
Men much shorter than me (6cm) 5
Men shorter than me (3cm) 14
Men same height 24
Men taller than me 14
Men much taller than me 9
Total people sampled 65
so yeah i was happy, i mean i wear nike air anyway which gives 1cm so i will be that height after 5cm.
Who cares how many people was taller than you or shorter, What matters is how you look objectively in the mirror. And at 5+cm Gain you will still be treated like a sub human. Have fun with your cognitive dissonance,
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so i take it that over 30% of men are also sub human?
get real.
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Who cares how many people was taller than you or shorter, What matters is how you look objectively in the mirror. And at 5+cm Gain you will still be treated like a sub human. Have fun with your cognitive dissonance,
Nah only really short men (like 15Mm below avg.) get treated as some kind of untermensch, to continue on your hyperbolic route.
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Uppland you are too kind, I would say it starts at under 168cm which would be about 9cm below average, which is where true shortness lies, but you can't exactly lump every guy under that height as the same level of shortness but it is where it would begin at least.
example i was in a room with 6 other men, i was 168.5cm as i was in lifts, 4 men were 5cm taller, 2 were my height, seems wise to assume 169 is pretty normal.
this was a pretty typical scenario throughout the day really. most public gatherings were like that in that somewhat 20% of men were about my height in 4cm lifts, felt really normal and 'grown up' at 168.5 i have to say.
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so i take it that over 30% of men are also sub human?
get real.
have you been living under a rock the last 10 years? i would say its closer to 35% in taller countries. If you are withing social circles that incline standards superficial standards though.
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Nah only really short men (like 15Mm below avg.) get treated as some kind of untermensch, to continue on your hyperbolic route.
you cant say anything regarding this. you are 5'10 i dont know why you are even on this forum dude
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Uppland you are too kind, I would say it starts at under 168cm which would be about 9cm below average, which is where true shortness lies, but you can't exactly lump every guy under that height as the same level of shortness but it is where it would begin at least.
example i was in a room with 6 other men, i was 168.5cm as i was in lifts, 4 men were 5cm taller, 2 were my height, seems wise to assume 169 is pretty normal.
this was a pretty typical scenario throughout the day really. most public gatherings were like that in that somewhat 20% of men were about my height in 4cm lifts, felt really normal and 'grown up' at 168.5 i have to say.
The reason I said that is because I have a friend who is maybe 169-170 which is 11-12CM below average and he really has had none of that whatsoever except he was teased a little in pre school. Also hasn't seen any short men being treted as bad as some of the stories on here, it might have happened but I've never seen or heard it.
you cant say anything regarding this. you are 5'10 i dont know why you are even on this forum dude
I've got one short friend whom I'm really closed with, we even talked about this very topic. 178CM is below average where I live, LL isn't something I need but something I really really want.
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I've got one short friend whom I'm really closed with, we even talked about this very topic. 178CM is below average where I live, LL isn't something I need but something I really really want.
No need to justify yourself "dude" ;)
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Guys, I would like to update. I am very sad I did not do the surgery BUT I really wasn't ready to do it so I do not blame myself.
For the people who are willing to do CLL, think through it VERY carefully and consider all the consequences. Make sure it is what you really want, or like in my case, need.
Regards.
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have you mentioned your age yet, maybe you will be up for it next year?
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have you mentioned your age yet, maybe you will be up for it next year?
I do not want to mention my age but I can say that I am a young man so I still have hope.
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I do not want to mention my age but I can say that I am a young man so I still have hope.
If LL is something that's still gonna be on your mind, you need to suck it up and do it. Take it from me. I wasted about 6-7 months going back and forth, that's almost a year I could have saved. The therapist who even cleared me for LL said that height neurosis for those who have it usually never goes away completely. And that has been my experience since was 15. I compensated by being good looking, successful, in shape, and for the most part did well in all areas of my life that I wanted to. But, my confidence always had a ceiling over it a a result of my height. Even though at 5'8" I'm still short, it's not God awful like it was before. And I can choose to do a second LL or not.
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have you mentioned your age yet, maybe you will be up for it next year?
Crappy thing is he blew so much money on this. Such a waste especially seeing as many people on these forums and even people I know in my life would have loved to do it with Paley.
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To be honest man I wouldn't sweat it. I flew to Dr. Paley's and had a consultation with him and then decided there was no way I could do it. Who knows what the long term effects are. You only have one body and it would be a lot worse if you became crippled at 50 years old from arthritis or whatnot. There a lot of people who have it worse. Now when I get down about my height I think of someone I saw skateboarding without arms or legs. They were able to persevere and so can we. There is never going to be another one of you ever, so why change it the way go-d made you? Main reason I wanted to this is for women, and then of course just because I would feel more respected being taller and whatnot. It is annoying not getting respected because of my height but honestly who cares about those peoples opinions. I know go-d put me on this earth to do bigger things than worry about my height and try to get with women. Just embrace who you are because there will never be another you. Plus who knows, maybe down the line there will be safer alternatives.
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To be honest man I wouldn't sweat it. I flew to Dr. Paley's and had a consultation with him and then decided there was no way I could do it. Who knows what the long term effects are. You only have one body and it would be a lot worse if you became crippled at 50 years old from arthritis or whatnot. There a lot of people who have it worse. Now when I get down about my height I think of someone I saw skateboarding without arms or legs. They were able to persevere and so can we. There is never going to be another one of you ever, so why change it the way go-d made you? Main reason I wanted to this is for women, and then of course just because I would feel more respected being taller and whatnot. It is annoying not getting respected because of my height but honestly who cares about those peoples opinions. I know go-d put me on this earth to do bigger things than worry about my height and try to get with women. Just embrace who you are because there will never be another you. Plus who knows, maybe down the line there will be safer alternatives.
Yeah I would have done it in a heartbeat if I knew it was safe long-term, now I have been on the fence for almost a year just like yellowspike. Been visiting a shrink and I feel a bit better but it's different days you know.
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I personally think ... If I had the money .. I will definitely do the surgery ... It's relatively safe if you do it with a good doctor and only length to a certain limit ... This surgery is definitely not for gay boys lol ... :-) panda x
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To be honest man I wouldn't sweat it. I flew to Dr. Paley's and had a consultation with him and then decided there was no way I could do it. Who knows what the long term effects are. You only have one body and it would be a lot worse if you became crippled at 50 years old from arthritis or whatnot. There a lot of people who have it worse. Now when I get down about my height I think of someone I saw skateboarding without arms or legs. They were able to persevere and so can we. There is never going to be another one of you ever, so why change it the way go-d made you? Main reason I wanted to this is for women, and then of course just because I would feel more respected being taller and whatnot. It is annoying not getting respected because of my height but honestly who cares about those peoples opinions. I know go-d put me on this earth to do bigger things than worry about my height and try to get with women. Just embrace who you are because there will never be another you. Plus who knows, maybe down the line there will be safer alternatives.
I know what you mean BUT please don't bring g-od into this... If he made me like this and I do not like it, I have every rights to want to change it. Just because he made me a certain way it does not mean I am forced to accept it. I know that I would definitely be happier if I was taller. Personally, I believe g-od has nothing to do with this, whether one believes in him or not, everything is based on genes.
If LL is something that's still gonna be on your mind, you need to suck it up and do it. Take it from me. I wasted about 6-7 months going back and forth, that's almost a year I could have saved. The therapist who even cleared me for LL said that height neurosis for those who have it usually never goes away completely. And that has been my experience since was 15. I compensated by being good looking, successful, in shape, and for the most part did well in all areas of my life that I wanted to. But, my confidence always had a ceiling over it a a result of my height. Even though at 5'8" I'm still short, it's not God awful like it was before. And I can choose to do a second LL or not.
You are right. It will always be at the back of my head... Always.
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I know what you mean BUT please don't bring g-od into this... If he made me like this and I do not like it, I have every rights to want to change it. Just because he made me a certain way it does not mean I am forced to accept it. I know that I would definitely be happier if I was taller. Personally, I believe g-od has nothing to do with this, whether one believes in him or not, everything is based on genes.
You are right. It will always be at the back of my head... Always.
Give Panda bear your money x
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have you mentioned your age yet, maybe you will be up for it next year?
Panda thinks he's 10 years old .. Panda bear x
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I know what you mean BUT please don't bring g-od into this... If he made me like this and I do not like it, I have every rights to want to change it. Just because he made me a certain way it does not mean I am forced to accept it. I know that I would definitely be happier if I was taller. Personally, I believe g-od has nothing to do with this, whether one believes in him or not, everything is based on genes.
You are right. It will always be at the back of my head... Always.
Sad boy ..Don't be afraid... LL surgery is easy to do with a good doctor and moderate lengthing .. Panda bear
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The surgery is never easy, don't listen to the panda, you've got the right idea about it.
However it's even worse being unhappy with yourself for the rest of your life.
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The surgery is never easy, don't listen to the panda, you've got the right idea about it.
However it's even worse being unhappy with yourself for the rest of your life.
I know! It's like a dead end. Basically both choices are bad. And I mentioned at the beginning of this topic that my body and appearance is the only thing that keeps me slightly happy in this world. Guys and girls only approach me because of that, including my personality, I'm a nice talkative guy.
I also hate it when people tell me "so what if you are short, at least you are very handsome and have a great body" and I ALWAYS reply to them with the following which ALWAYS keeps their mouth shut
"I wonder what you would tell me if I was ugly..."
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I know! It's like a dead end. Basically both choices are bad. And I mentioned at the beginning of this topic that my body and appearance is the only thing that keeps me slightly happy in this world. Guys and girls only approach me because of that, including my personality, I'm a nice talkative guy.
I also hate it when people tell me "so what if you are short, at least you are very handsome and have a great body" and I ALWAYS reply to them with the following which ALWAYS keeps their mouth shut
"I wonder what you would tell me if I was ugly..."
It's really hard thinking about how important genetics are in this life, always thought it was really unfair that some people were born good looking and others ugly.
Anyway, you can gain maybe 7CM whilst still being reasonably proportional so you just have to decide if it's worth it.
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Sad boy ..Don't be afraid... LL surgery is easy to do with a good doctor and moderate lengthing .. Panda bear
Don't be lying now. LL is a serious undertaking and has dominated my life for a whole year. I will say it is worth it, but never say it is easy. If you don't have the fortitude to see it through than you're better off saving your money.
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It's really hard thinking about how important genetics are in this life, always thought it was really unfair that some people were born good looking and others ugly.
Anyway, you can gain maybe 7CM whilst still being reasonably proportional so you just have to decide if it's worth it.
Why do you think plastic surgery is drastically increasing amongst women AND MEN? Of course looks are important to society. People judge you strictly according to everything.
Let me tell you an example of what I've seen in my daily life. Basically I was walking with a group of friends and some girls noticed a lonely "ugly" guy at the corner of a cafeteria checking them out. Their reactions were "eew, what a creep, look at him? He is so disgusting, no wonder why he is a loner..."
Thankfully!! A week later we passed through the same cafeteria with the same group and this time there was an attractive loner at the very back of the cafeteria. I am saying thankfully because this proves my point. The girls said "wow, check out that hotty at the corner all alone... He is mysterious and sexy."
It's a shame really, if the guy was ugly the girls or anyone wouldn't say the quote above that's for sure. They will judge him as the first guy I mentioned....
Sigh, society never stops amazing me with its high standards...
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Yeah I would have done it in a heartbeat if I knew it was safe long-term, now I have been on the fence for almost a year just like yellowspike. Been visiting a shrink and I feel a bit better but it's different days you know.
I understand that with you, the issue is that you feel short compared to your father and I suppose some of your friends, since you live in a very tall country. I'm not in any way attempting to minimize your feelings, but at least your height of 5'10" (I believe) is really only slightly below average in only Sweden (everywhere else, you're average at worst). I was short no matter how you slice it. I actually never really experienced height discrimination per se and have been pretty successful in my life, but my confidence always had a ceiling due to being very short. I went out with some friends last night before having a girl over, and got 3 other girls' numbers in the course of an hour. At the bar, I was still on shorter end compared to the guys that were there, but was taller than all but two girls there (and one of those girls was ultra tall at 6'1"). So it's definitely helped my confidence overall. I was on the fence about LL for half a year, but knew in the back of my mind I eventually had to do it, as I just couldn't forget about the prospect of being taller (and at my height, there was no question that I needed it).
The problem with LL too is that even if you do it, you're faced with either settling for a lower gain for a faster recovery or enduring more for a better gain. I pushed as far as I could to 7cm (only stopped because my surgeon ordered me to lol), and still might do another 2-2.5cm next year (depending on where my life is that point). I say for all those who do it, shoot for as much as you safely can, even if the recovery will be longer. You want your reward to be worth the cost.
Also, as much as it sucks, looks are very important. I would never date a fat girl because I don't find them attractive at all. If there was some sort of workout that could increase my height, I'd have been 6'2" since the age of 16...but, the only way to get taller unfortunately is to go through LL. I saw an article where a wife of a Dr. G patient said she'd have never dated her husband if he had been his former height. As much as that sucks, it's just par for the course. If a woman lost a lot of weight and became attractive to me (and I wouldn't have dated her previously), it's kinda the same thing. Only, she didn't need surgery to lose weight.
Women in general I would say have very high standards, especially the desirable ones (but, really, all women think they're 10/10s, since online dating greatly inflates their egos - I'm one of the few men that doesn't automatically swipe right). So it behooves short men even more to do this, as much as it royally blows.
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So basically it all comes down to ego insecurity in order to not be outcast by the other people who also are ego insecure.