Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Height & Proportions => Topic started by: Deads on November 30, 2015, 01:43:24 PM
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So I posted a pic on Imgur as suggested. I was wondering if someone could whip up a mockup pic for me? 5cm Fib, 4cm tib.
http://imgur.com/FBpuRlm
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Hi Deads
You have a great muscle and a good upper body! dude!
I think if you do ll within 10 cm on two segments or 7 cm on one segment (especially femurs), you will look great.
Go for it!
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This pic seems to have been taken from your upper body area and makes your legs look short. If this were your actual body, you could do 4 inches.
Awesome muscles by the way. I envy you.
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At what level and angle was this picture taken at Deads? The best position to place a camera for this sort of thing would be at the waist level area to show a balance between legs and torso.
But based on the pics you do have a slight (emphasis on slight) long torso compared to your legs. At the same time your broad shoulders certainly help your image out as it won't make you look like a lanky dude. It makes it seem like your legs could handle a good amount of lengthening. But, when it comes to your arms I'm not to sure. Again all subjective, but in this picture your upper body certainly looks like it can handle LL.
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Ghostfish; Thanks Ghost :) the picture actually makes my chest look flatter than it actually is. But based on my shoulders and back I feel like I could handle the 10cm too. Initially I was going to lengthen 5.5 fib and 4.5 tib.. Although for recovery reasons I'm leaning more towards 9cm (5cm fib and 4cm tib) so that I can stay at within the 5cm safe range for the fibs and keep my tibs on the lower end of the scale also.
Penguinn: I had my girlfriend get on her knees......... AND TAKE A PICTURE level with my crotch/hip area. We also made sure that the camera was facing straight on and wasn't at any angles. Believe it or not it is the most accurate depiction of my body. I've been told in the past I have short stumpy legs for my body.
Alu: yes definitely taken at hip height with no angles. My broad shoulders and back along with the slightly longer torso really give the perception that my legs are short and stumpy... When I'm at the gym and I catch a glance of myself in the mirror I feel like my height doesn't match my width.
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Torso length is great for LL. Arm length is the major concern.
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Torso length is great for LL. Arm length is the major concern.
I took Doingitforme's advice and stood on something 9 cm tall.. My arms looked fine with the extra height.. Because everything else seems built for the extra height, the overall perception is good.
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I took Doingitforme's advice and stood on something 9 cm tall.. My arms looked fine with the extra height.. Because everything else seems built for the extra height, the overall perception is good.
I think you will look great after 9 cm. Your proportions look like mine prior to my LL, and I only gained 8 cm. Your legs do look short and stumpy like mine used to be. They will look better after LL in my opinion. Also, instead of deciding your lengthening amount beforehand, just play it by the ear when you are actually lengthening. Your body will tell you when you are starting to get too tight. For me, I noticed it around the 5 cm mark on femurs. It could be different for you. Your safe range is what your body tells you it is. I noticed that I passed the safe range when my flexibility took a nosedive at around 6 cm. That's around the point where I knew that I probably did long term/permanent damage to my athleticism/flexibility. But, a lot of my flexibility did return to me 5 months post-op. So I do hold some hope that I could at least do some sports, even if I'm not going to be as good at it as I used to be.
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I have to ask you then mate, disregarding the obvious fact that it's all subjective and not to get to caught up in a number game; what is your true inseam length?
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77cm
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You are a good candidate for LL with long torso and short legs.
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I think you will look great after 9 cm. Your proportions look like mine prior to my LL, and I only gained 8 cm. Your legs do look short and stumpy like mine used to be. They will look better after LL in my opinion. Also, instead of deciding your lengthening amount beforehand, just play it by the ear when you are actually lengthening. Your body will tell you when you are starting to get too tight. For me, I noticed it around the 5 cm mark on femurs. It could be different for you. Your safe range is what your body tells you it is. I noticed that I passed the safe range when my flexibility took a nosedive at around 6 cm. That's around the point where I knew that I probably did long term/permanent damage to my athleticism/flexibility. But, a lot of my flexibility did return to me 5 months post-op. So I do hold some hope that I could at least do some sports, even if I'm not going to be as good at it as I used to be.
Yeah I'll definitely play it by ear while lengthening.. I always told myself that I never wanted to go over 5cm for fibs and 4 for tibs. If I was unable to push myself in the gym due to limitations caused by lengthening, I would never forgive myself.
Thanks for the encoragement. I feel as though my thoughts on this have been reaffirmed.
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Yeah I'll definitely play it by ear while lengthening.. I always told myself that I never wanted to go over 5cm for fibs and 4 for tibs. If I was unable to push myself in the gym due to limitations caused by lengthening, I would never forgive myself.
Thanks for the encoragement. I feel as though my thoughts on this have been reaffirmed.
If reading all these diaries including mine, OldieButGoldie, and ProgramDude doesn't stop you from doing LL, then go for it. You won't regret it. Maybe while lengthening, you might. But after it's all over and done with, most people are happy with the surgery.
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You won't regret it. Maybe while lengthening, you might.
Ha that made me laugh.. I'm definitely going for it. I'm just in the process of starting up my online business. The goal is to have the funds within the next 12 months.
Thanks for the support :)
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Ha that made me laugh.. I'm definitely going for it. I'm just in the process of starting up my online business. The goal is to have the funds within the next 12 months.
Thanks for the support :)
It's true, though. In a few of the diaries I read, there's a moment of regret during the lengthening or recovery period. I'd be lying if I didn't have that moment as well. There's this point where you wonder if you threw away a lot of money and time that you could have spent doing something else. A lot of my friends are out having vacations while I'm sitting at home waiting to be able to walk again. You feel like you're missing out on life. But then I remember that I'm no longer short anymore and then I'm happy again. What's also nice is that I have a greater appreciation of life and working legs. People tend to take things for granted until they lose them.
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Here are your mockups.
http://i.imgur.com/Hyj4s67.jpg
Note: Remember not to compare them next to each other, that's because their alignment isn't in sync. Some pictures start off higher than others, so only examine them individually.
I also added an 8cm femur mockup which I think looks the best. Instead of doing 9cm in 2 surgeries you could easily do 8 in one, with short femurs like that.
Your arms look a bit short(but nothing you should worry about, seriously. Nobody will give a ) but you haven't stretched them all the way down like others do in their pictures.
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Here are your mockups.
http://i.imgur.com/Hyj4s67.jpg
Note: Remember not to compare them next to each other, that's because their alignment isn't in sync. Some pictures start off higher than others, so only examine them individually.
I also added an 8cm femur mockup which I think looks the best. Instead of doing 9cm in 2 surgeries you could easily do 8 in one, with short femurs like that.
Your arms look a bit short(but nothing you should worry about, seriously. Nobody will give a crap) but you haven't stretched them all the way down like others do in their pictures.
My man Penguinn! Thank you.
Hmm interesting. The 8cm mock-up looks surprisingly okay.. My fibs seem to lengthen well. Tibs look a touch off to me. But if I'm not looking backwards and forwards scrutinising the two pictures then the 9cm begins to look normal. In clothes it would look even better.
I wouldn't lengthen 8cm on one portion. I won't exceed 5cm on either portion.. I feel like tibs at 3cm would look perfect, but I find it hard justifying surgery for just 3cm on one portion.
Tell me what you guys think.
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Penguinn, I was wondering if you could humour me and do a 5 fib 3 tib? I would very much appreciate it.
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Penguinn, I was wondering if you could humour me and do a 5 fib 3 tib? I would very much appreciate it.
Actually, don't worry about it. I think I look fine at 177. When I put some size on my legs it will reduce how long and lanky they look... And of course I'll add extra size to my upper body.. Believe it or not, I don't currently train my shoulders, they get trained indirectly by everything else that I do.. I will work on widening my shoulders so that I can truely own the height.
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Why would you not lengthen 8cm in one portion? A lot of problems(medical and visual) come because the femur becomes much longer than the tibia but that isn't a problem for you.
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Why would you not lengthen 8cm in one portion? A lot of problems(medical and visual) come because the femur becomes much longer than the tibia but that isn't a problem for you.
I don't want to lengthen more than 5cm on any portion. Recovery after 8cm sucks and I need to regain as much athleticism back in my legs in order to achieve my goals in the gym.. I will have the money to do two surgeries so I'm going to put my health first and spread the lengthening out over the two portions.
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I can completely agree with that goal. It's mine as well. I then have to ask you which doctor are you considering for this. I myself was wholeheartedly considering going the route Iamready is going with of QL with Palely, but considering the cost and the proven credibility of other doctors I'm not quite sure the cost would be worth it honestly.
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I can completely agree with that goal. It's mine as well. I then have to ask you which doctor are you considering for this. I myself was wholeheartedly considering going the route Iamready is going with of QL with Palely, but considering the cost and the proven credibility of other doctors I'm not quite sure the cost would be worth it honestly.
Dr Alex Monegal. Prices are great, the guy cares, he attends regular training and seminars with the manufacturers of Fitbone. Many success stories (haven't read anything bad yet). The hospital is practically brand new... And I guess I just get great vibes from him.
Two of his surgeries are only a little more than the cost of one surgery with Paley.. You also get more one on one time with Alex where as Paley is so successful that everyone wants a piece of him. Usually you are only talking to people who work under Paley.
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My personal belief is that you could probably just lengthen 6.5-7cm in one segment and still look great.
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My personal belief is that you could probably just lengthen 6.5-7cm in one segment and still look great.
That is pushing it to the limit.
5cm looks alright, not good, in tibias.
With 7cm, your calf muscles will explode and if you ever have to sit on your knees you will sit on your calf muscles and your feet will stick out behind your butt.
It won't look good.
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All mock ups look bad, do one of 4 cm and one of 3 and see how it looks.
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All mock ups look bad, do one of 4 cm and one of 3 and see how it looks.
I've already thought about that combination. It would probably look perfect.. But I know when I fill my legs out that they won't look so long and lanky with the 9cm.
Devil dog; if I was going to do one portion it would be 6 on the fibs.. But opted for 2 portions
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I've already thought about that combination. It would probably look perfect.. But I know when I fill my legs out that they won't look so long and lanky with the 9cm.
Devil dog; if I was going to do one portion it would be 6 on the fibs.. But opted for 2 portions
No I meant one where you lengthen 4 cm in one segment and another where you lengthen 3 cm.
This surgery will make you lankier but what I find to be the worst issue proportions wise is that your torso starts to look small even after just a few cm.
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No I meant one where you lengthen 4 cm in one segment and another where you lengthen 3 cm.
This surgery will make you lankier but what I find to be the worst issue proportions wise is that your torso starts to look small even after just a few cm.
Yeah I know you meant a total of 7cm over two portions. I honestly think that 9cm will be fine. Especially when I build up my legs.. Torso looks ever so slightly short to me but not enough for people to point it out. Not even enough for me to be dissatisfied.
So.. I'm coming for you Uppland. You and me 5"10. (I know 177cm isn't 5"10. It's close enough though)
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Yeah I know you meant a total of 7cm over two portions. I honestly think that 9cm will be fine. Especially when I build up my legs.. Torso looks ever so slightly short to me but not enough for people to point it out. Not even enough for me to be dissatisfied.
So.. I'm coming for you Uppland. You and me 5"10. (I know 177cm isn't 5"10. It's close enough though)
One picture where you are 4 cm taller and one where you are 3 cm taller. 7 cm will screw with your proportions and athleticism my friend.
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I think the middle picture (5+4) look the best.
What is your initial height btw ?
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I agree with Uppland, I personally think that both pictures don´t look very good. I´d personally stick to 5-6cm´s on your femurs if I was you, this way you´d have a decent amount of gained height but your proportions won´t be affected to such a large degree.
Your torso looks somehwhat small in both pictures eventhough you are quit muscular, what´s your wheight btw?
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One picture where you are 4 cm taller and one where you are 3 cm taller. 7 cm will screw with your proportions and athleticism my friend.
I'm not following. So you're suggesting sticking to just 3-4cm total? I'm not going to do surgery for just 4cm's. I won't even notice a difference.
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I think the middle picture (5+4) look the best.
What is your initial height btw ?
I'm 168cm currently.. I agree.
Alittletooshort: I am currently 82kg. I haven't trained my legs for the past 2 years as I am currently awaiting a hip surgery (just a bone spur needing to be shaved off). If my legs reflected my upper body, I'd be around the 87-90kg mark I would imagine.. I've made up my mind on the 9cm as I don't see anything wrong with the way I look in the mock up. I initially thought my tibs looked a tad long, but I think I'm so used to seeing myself short and wide that the extra length looked new and unfamiliar to me.. But after forgetting about how I used to look and focusing on the mockup as a unique picture with nothing to compare it to, it looks fine. If someone was to show me that pic with nothing to compare it to and ask me if I notice anything abnormal, I wouldn't be able to.
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I'm not following. So you're suggesting sticking to just 3-4cm total? I'm not going to do surgery for just 4cm's. I won't even notice a difference.
Yes, or perhaps 5 if you can handle it, don't you realize you will look worse after doing 7 cm+?
You will not be more attractive or well respected if your proportions are bad. Better then to be slightly shorter but better looking and more functional.
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Yes, or perhaps 5 if you can handle it, don't you realize you will look worse after doing 7 cm+?
You will not be more attractive or well respected if your proportions are bad. Better then to be slightly shorter but better looking and more functional.
5cm fib and 4cm tib is probably the safest way to lengthen.. So functionality/athleticism shouldn't be an issue.. Proportions look fine to me in underwear. In clothes they'll even look better. I wear larger shirts due to my size and with that comes extra length in the shirts which make my torso look even longer than usual.. Trust me, I'm anal about proportions and if I didn't think I looked acceptable I wouldn't be going ahead with 9cm.
I will show everyone in good time that I will rock 9cm easily :)
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5cm fib and 4cm tib is probably the safest way to lengthen.. So functionality/athleticism shouldn't be an issue.. Proportions look fine to me in underwear. In clothes they'll even look better. I wear larger shirts due to my size and with that comes extra length in the shirts which make my torso look even longer than usual.. Trust me, I'm anal about proportions and if I didn't think I looked acceptable I wouldn't be going ahead with 9cm.
I will show everyone in good time that I will rock 9cm easily :)
It's your life, if you read the Q&A thread with doctor Franz though you'll see that he doesn't think 2 surgeries will yield any sort of functional benefit. Instead it will be even worse for your health, better to do one operation and call it, 2 is unrealistic anyway.
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It's your life, if you read the Q&A thread with doctor Franz though you'll see that he doesn't think 2 surgeries will yield any sort of functional benefit. Instead it will be even worse for your health, better to do one operation and call it, 2 is unrealistic anyway.
If you lengthened 4cm on your fibia as opposed to 8cm, logically it would yield a better recovery and therefore better quality functionality. Different people will react differently to the surgery, but it makes sense to spread your lengthening out over two portions. There is less trauma on individual portions and your leg proportions are better.. 2 surgeries at a conservative length of 4 and 5cm's is a very realistic prospect in my eyes.
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If you lengthened 4cm on your fibia as opposed to 8cm, logically it would yield a better recovery and therefore better quality functionality. Different people will react differently to the surgery, but it makes sense to spread your lengthening out over two portions. There is less trauma on individual portions and your leg proportions are better.. 2 surgeries at a conservative length of 4 and 5cm's is a very realistic prospect in my eyes.
More trauma overall, worse recovery long term.
2 surgeries will cost you up towards 200 000 us dollars (unless you spend time in india/china/pakistan/somalia or wherever the hell) and take years to complete.
Your proportions will suffer as you pass 5 cm, why not do 6 cm on your femurs, are those 3 cm more important than your health, time and money?
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3 cm are not to be disregarded. For example, from my perspective, 178 cm I am average for where I live (in Germany) . I am below average in some northern german cities such as Hamburg and Bremen. However, at 181 cm I would be at the top 35% or even top 30% overall and also above average in the northern cities.
I would probably do 5 cm femur 4 cm tibia, ==> 5 cm with Dr Monegal internal and perhaps 4 cm with Dr. Mitkovic external and that would cost me just about 60k euro in total.
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Your upper bode handles 8 CM quite well. It's at 9th CM your upper body begins to appear smaller. Though Personally, I wouldn't do 8 CM in one segment and if I've to do two surgeries, I might as well do 9 CM.
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I agree with that sentiment. So it would be interesting to see how 4 + 4 CM would look like instead of just 8 CM in one.
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Your upper bode handles 8 CM quite well. It's at 9th CM your upper body begins to appear smaller. Though Personally, I wouldn't do 8 CM in one segment and if I've to do two surgeries, I might as well do 9 CM.
The only reason the 8cm pic looks so great is because the tibs weren't lengthened.. If you only lengthened the tib 3cm and left the fib at 5 it wouldn't look so lanky.
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More trauma overall, worse recovery long term.
2 surgeries will cost you up towards 200 000 us dollars (unless you spend time in india/china/pakistan/somalia or wherever the hell) and take years to complete.
Your proportions will suffer as you pass 5 cm, why not do 6 cm on your femurs, are those 3 cm more important than your health, time and money?
You can go to Dr Alex M for nearly half of that..... And dude, stop asking me the same question (why don't I lengthen xxx amount instead). I've answered why I want to do 9cm a thousand times... But one more time just to be clear.
1. I think I look fine with 5cm on the Fib and 4cm on the tib (so the proportion argument is now invalid)
2. If I'm going to do this I want it to be worth my while. Hence the noticeable gain of 9cm.
3. Recovery is better this way. I will not go above 5cm on one portion. I'd rather modestly damage two portions then really stretch and damage 1. This is better for my goals.
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You can go to Dr Alex M for nearly half of that..... And dude, stop asking me the same question (why don't I lengthen xxx amount instead). I've answered why I want to do 9cm a thousand times... But one more time just to be clear.
1. I think I look fine with 5cm on the Fib and 4cm on the tib (so the proportion argument is now invalid)
2. If I'm going to do this I want it to be worth my while. Hence the noticeable gain of 9cm.
3. Recovery is better this way. I will not go above 5cm on one portion. I'd rather modestly damage two portions then really stretch and damage 1. This is better for my goals.
I think you should stop thinking about two surgeries before having the first one started. Start with your femurs and than you´ll find out if you are really willing to get another round of LL. Especially since it takes 1-2 years to get back to a somewhat pre op shape. A lot of people talk about two surgeries after they find out that this procedure exists, yet so few people actually do both segements. My advice to you is, stop looking to far ahead and focus on your first surgery.
The whole proportion debate will be answered after your surgery anyways, mock ups are not precise at all. No one here is able to tell you weither you´ll look good or not.
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I think you should stop thinking about two surgeries before having the first one started. Start with your femurs and than you´ll find out if you are really willing to get another round of LL. Especially since it takes 1-2 years to get back to a somewhat pre op shape. A lot of people talk about two surgeries after they find out that this procedure exists, yet so few people actually do both segements. My advice to you is, stop looking to far ahead and focus on your first surgery.
The whole proportion debate will be answered after your surgery anyways, mock ups are not precise at all. No one here is able to tell you weither you´ll look good or not.
I agree... I'm going to start with the 5cm on the femur and see how I go from there. I have aspirations of doing two surgeries though. A long term and a short term goal.
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Okay, so all this talk of proportions made me curious to see how I'd look a tad shorter... I always said that I thought my tibs looked a tad lanky. At 9cm I felt that I could pull it off but I knew that I was pushing the envelope. (Only slightly haha)
So I've had another mock-up done (thank you KiloKAHN) and like what I see. I will never go below 3inches, so below is a mockup of 4.5 fib and 3 tib. It will take me to 175.5cm, which is 5"9, and I feel it's a great height. Hearing some of the goals from the shorter guys on here made me appreciate my height and the fact that I can even reach an average height with this procedure and look normal.
So without further ado me with 3 inches. Signed, sealed, delivered. This is what I'll be doing in the near future.
http://i.imgur.com/NlgINeg.jpg
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Torso to leg relation is good...still can't get over the short arms though lol
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Torso to leg relation is good...still can't get over the short arms though lol
Meh; you'll never have 'perfect' proportions after a notable length of 3inches or more.