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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: Deads on January 26, 2016, 03:20:17 PM
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So I'm at work as we speak (I work in a hospital). Measured my height on one of the professional measuring devices that are attached to the wall... I measured 170cm. I'm usually 168. I double checked the apparatus, and it was attached to the wall accurately. I then re-measured my height, 170 on the dot. So, I'm just wondering if I've been measuring myself wrong this whole time.... Although, I find it hard to believe. Measuring your height isn't a complicated task.. Maybe it's a morning height? I've been awake for 8 hours. Does that count as a morning height? I've never compared morning and afternoon heights.
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When you got the 168cm height in which hours of the day was it? Try to measure yourself tommorow as well in the same hour
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When you got the 168cm height in which hours of the day was it? Try to measure yourself tommorow as well in the same hour
Don't know when I measured... Yeah, will measure 8 hours after I wake up on a different day.
This sounds so sad (because it's just a number), but I'm so pumped if I'm 170cm haha.
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after7-8hrs is exactly when you should measure your height. Its not morning height, so you are fine.
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after7-8hrs is exactly when you should measure your height. Its not morning height, so you are fine.
It also depends a bit on what you did that day (how active you were, did you carry heavy weights, run/stand a lot, etc.) and also (in my case, since the surgery) how bad your duckass is (from tight hips/quads, etc. - and yes, this does vary a bit from time to time). If I lay around most of the day, I can measure 174cm at night, but I'm usually 173cm right before bed after a typical day (commuting to and from work, the gym, etc.). Right out of bed, if I sleep enough, I'm 5'9" for like the first minute I'm awake lol
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after7-8hrs is exactly when you should measure your height. Its not morning height, so you are fine.
Cool. Well, I'll double check on other measuring apparatuses around the hospital to be sure that the particular device I used isn't creating the decrepancy.
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Cool. Well, I'll double check on other measuring apparatuses around the hospital to be sure that the particular device I used isn't creating the decrepancy.
Okay, so 12 hours after being awake I measured myself on 2 separate measuring devices.. The original device (the one that measured me at 170 earlier) measured me at 169.2cm and the second one measured me at 169.2cm.
So, would 12 hours after awaking be classed as an evening height?
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If you weren't really laying down and being a lazy bum then yeah...and to that regard congrats you're basically 5'7. Or more cynically 5'6.75
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If you weren't really laying down and being a lazy bum then yeah...and to that regard congrats you're basically 5'7. Or more cynically 5'6.75
I sit for most of my shifts. I get up and down semi regularly.. Would I be cheating myself in terms of how much height I think I have?
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Not really. Considering the additional height most people have in the morning is all spine, sitting in itself can compress the spine and make you lose that extra height. Also, for me honestly I don't worry about 1 CM difference. I find an inch difference between two people to be hard to spot since people have different postures here and there; so a CM isn't much. Unless you really want to hit that 170 CM value (which in truth I want to)
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Not really. Considering the additional height most people have in the morning is all spine, sitting in itself can compress the spine and make you lose that extra height. Also, for me honestly I don't worry about 1 CM difference. I find an inch difference between two people to be hard to spot since people have different postures here and there; so a CM isn't much. Unless you really want to hit that 170 CM value (which in truth I want to)
Not really. Considering the additional height most people have in the morning is all spine, sitting in itself can compress the spine and make you lose that extra height. Also, for me honestly I don't worry about 1 CM difference. I find an inch difference between two people to be hard to spot since people have different postures here and there; so a CM isn't much. Unless you really want to hit that 170 CM value (which in truth I want to)
I completely agree.. It's just about me being attached to a number. The idea of getting to 5"9 in one surgery without having to lengthen some ridiculous amount like 8cm was my dream and I was only 1-2cm off of that dream.. Now I can officially hit the 5"9 status with just 6cm. Which for me, on my femurs looks completely normal.
Mockups in order; Original > 5cm > 6cm > 7cm
http://i.imgur.com/0ZiGAG1.jpg
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I completely agree.. It's just about me being attached to a number. The idea of getting to 5"9 in one surgery without having to lengthen some ridiculous amount like 8cm was my dream and I was only 1-2cm off of that dream.. Now I can officially hit the 5"9 status with just 6cm. Which for me, on my femurs looks completely normal.
Mockups in order; Original > 5cm > 6cm > 7cm
http://i.imgur.com/0ZiGAG1.jpg
If risks werent included, I personally think that you look the best with the 7cm gain :)
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I completely agree.. It's just about me being attached to a number. The idea of getting to 5"9 in one surgery without having to lengthen some ridiculous amount like 8cm was my dream and I was only 1-2cm off of that dream.. Now I can officially hit the 5"9 status with just 6cm. Which for me, on my femurs looks completely normal.
Mockups in order; Original > 5cm > 6cm > 7cm
http://i.imgur.com/0ZiGAG1.jpg
I'm sort of attached to the 5'9" number too. To me, it's the lowest height where you can sort of "blend in" with a lot of guys (but you still might look short, depending on who is around at any given time).
Yeah, weekdays, if I'm out of bed at 6am, I usually count my height at around 8 or 9pm as my height (and it's almost always around 173 on the nose). Sometimes I'll go as low as 172.7, but that's very very rare (and usually after I've worked out my shoulders or back at the gym). Sometimes I was above 173. But...I've also stopped measuring myself nearly as much as I used to. Because it is what it is (unless I do more LL).
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I'm sort of attached to the 5'9" number too. To me, it's the lowest height where you can sort of "blend in" with a lot of guys (but you still might look short, depending on who is around at any given time).
Yeah, weekdays, if I'm out of bed at 6am, I usually count my height at around 8 or 9pm as my height (and it's almost always around 173 on the nose). Sometimes I'll go as low as 172.7, but that's very very rare (and usually after I've worked out my shoulders or back at the gym). Sometimes I was above 173. But...I've also stopped measuring myself nearly as much as I used to. Because it is what it is (unless I do more LL).
175-176 is short yellowspyke? I think you are exageratting
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175-176 is short yellowspyke? I think you are exageratting
Didn't say it was short. I meant you might look or feel short if you are around a lot of tall guys. 5'9"-5'10" to me are sort of "situational" heights where it really depends on who you're around, but for the most part, guys 5'9" and up have little to worry about height-wise.
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You will also feel short around alot of 6'1-6'2 guys being 5'11 or even 6. There will always be people highier than you... But The important thing is that there will also be alot of people shorter than you... Percepssion in the key... Also, you can always put a 1.5-2cm lift in your shoe if you feel bad.
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So today I measured myself about an hour after I woke up. I measured 171cm.... So, morning height is 171cm, 8 hours into the day I drop to 170, at 12 hours I drop to a little over 169cm... Definitely not 168cm haha.
Measured my gf's height immediatly after mine.... 177cm's!! So she's actually 6cm taller than me and this whole time I was thinking we were both shorter than we actually are.. so 5-6cm on femurs will definitely get me to 5"9 and that's all I give a s**t about.. Amazing how much we can get attached to a number haha.
I'm going to say I'm 169cm to be completely realistic.
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I have always lived with the impression that I am 178 until I was professionally measured and my afternoon height turned out to be not 178 but 175. Doctor said its really close to 176 but I should say 175 because its always better to undervalue than to overvalue your height. With that being said, I believe if I do 4.5 cm even considering potential 1-2 mm compression, that would still I believe qualify me to say I am 180. With any sort of formal shoes / I would be a solic 5'11. Before the 2nd surgery where I will add 4 - 4.5 more. I will post mock-up tonight or tomorrow :)
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You will also feel short around alot of 6'1-6'2 guys being 5'11 or even 6. There will always be people highier than you... But The important thing is that there will also be alot of people shorter than you... Percepssion in the key... Also, you can always put a 1.5-2cm lift in your shoe if you feel bad.
Nope. I refuse to wear lifts, however subtle/small they might be. Lifts make you feel that much worse about your height in my personal experience. Lifts are a good part of what drove me to LL in the first place.
And yeah ,I know there will always be someone taller in the room. My personal goal is someday to be at least 5'9" at night. To me that is the shortest a guy can be and still somewhat blend in. And if I have to accept bad proportions for a faster recovery and also for less money, then so be it. Tibias just take way too long (even though I'm well aware they are the better solution for the long term and for proportions). Dr. G is someone I trust, and he's really scaring me off from tibias (even if others have done them and ended up ok).
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Nope. I refuse to wear lifts, however subtle/small they might be. Lifts make you feel that much worse about your height in my personal experience. Lifts are a good part of what drove me to LL in the first place.
And yeah ,I know there will always be someone taller in the room. My personal goal is someday to be at least 5'9" at night. To me that is the shortest a guy can be and still somewhat blend in. And if I have to accept bad proportions for a faster recovery and also for less money, then so be it. Tibias just take way too long (even though I'm well aware they are the better solution for the long term and for proportions). Dr. G is someone I trust, and he's really scaring me off from tibias (even if others have done them and ended up ok).
The mans mind is made!
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Nope. I refuse to wear lifts, however subtle/small they might be. Lifts make you feel that much worse about your height in my personal experience. Lifts are a good part of what drove me to LL in the first place.
And yeah ,I know there will always be someone taller in the room. My personal goal is someday to be at least 5'9" at night. To me that is the shortest a guy can be and still somewhat blend in. And if I have to accept bad proportions for a faster recovery and also for less money, then so be it. Tibias just take way too long (even though I'm well aware they are the better solution for the long term and for proportions). Dr. G is someone I trust, and he's really scaring me off from tibias (even if others have done them and ended up ok).
I agree with 5'9 part.At 5'9-5'10 you wont look short.And you wont feel short(i mean you shouldnt :D )You wont be tall too but its a good height after all.
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The mans mind is made!
LOL I wish it were that simple. My main concern is trading height neurosis for proportion neurosis. I did 7cm on femurs. A good number of men have done 9-10 cm on femurs (some even more, from two surgeries), and look pretty decent. I've done mockups, and my proportions with another inch on femurs don't look that different from how they do now.
But it's still a major concern. I actually would prefer to do tibias. They just take too long. And they scare me to the point where I'd only be comfortable with a top doctor (Rozbruch, Paley or Guichet), and just not sure I can afford another full fledged LL (a femur re-break is "only" 25K I believe - question is, is it worth it?).
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LOL I wish it were that simple. My main concern is trading height neurosis for proportion neurosis. I did 7cm on femurs. A good number of men have done 9-10 cm on femurs (some even more, from two surgeries), and look pretty decent. I've done mockups, and my proportions with another inch on femurs don't look that different from how they do now.
But it's still a major concern. I actually would prefer to do tibias. They just take too long. And they scare me to the point where I'd only be comfortable with a top doctor (Rozbruch, Paley or Guichet), and just not sure I can afford another full fledged LL (a femur re-break is "only" 25K I believe - question is, is it worth it?).
Why not catagni?
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Why do you keep saying that Tibias take so much longer ? I read an interview with Dr. Paley and he claims that , yes, they take longer, but not that longer. He says, patients walk unaided 30 days after lengthening Femurs and 45 days after Tibias. If you do a small amount of 4-5 cm, internally with Precice 2, I am sure you will be walking in 4 months top.
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I don't know guys. Tibias just really scare me. I can't help it, they just do. I was trying to muster the courage to do them, but Dr. G really spooked me (although yes, he strongly favors femurs and has super high recovery standards).
The idea of breaking four bones instead of just two, not having a solid foundation for partial weightbearing (which if you do femurs, you still have your ankles intact), stairs...they just really scare me. Call me a pu$$y if you will, but I'm not. I did femurs, and they were painful. They weren't fun. But I knew I'd recover in a fairly short amount of time.
And I can't do externals. Externals just are not an option for me.
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I don't know guys. Tibias just really scare me. I can't help it, they just do. I was trying to muster the courage to do them, but Dr. G really spooked me (although yes, he strongly favors femurs and has super high recovery standards).
The idea of breaking four bones instead of just two, not having a solid foundation for partial weightbearing (which if you do femurs, you still have your ankles intact), stairs...they just really scare me. Call me a pu$$y if you will, but I'm not. I did femurs, and they were painful. They weren't fun. But I knew I'd recover in a fairly short amount of time.
And I can't do externals. Externals just are not an option for me.
Try to contact Catagni via e-mail. Speak to him about your situation and see what he says... He is very responsive and nice. Maybe he can even suggest you someone to go to (Since he isnt eager to do the procedure himself on people).
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I don't know guys. Tibias just really scare me. I can't help it, they just do. I was trying to muster the courage to do them, but Dr. G really spooked me (although yes, he strongly favors femurs and has super high recovery standards).
The idea of breaking four bones instead of just two, not having a solid foundation for partial weightbearing (which if you do femurs, you still have your ankles intact), stairs...they just really scare me. Call me a pu$$y if you will, but I'm not. I did femurs, and they were painful. They weren't fun. But I knew I'd recover in a fairly short amount of time.
And I can't do externals. Externals just are not an option for me.
I prefer to avoid Tibs now too.
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Try to contact Catagni via e-mail. Speak to him about your situation and see what he says... He is very responsive and nice. Maybe he can even suggest you someone to go to (Since he isnt eager to do the procedure himself on people).
I might. He's in Italy, right? That's one of the few countries I'd consider outside of the US (especially for tibias).
You'd have to pay me millions of dollars to go India. Eff that sh*t.
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I might. He's in Italy, right? That's one of the few countries I'd consider outside of the US (especially for tibias).
You'd have to pay me millions of dollars to go India. Eff that sh*t.
Yes he operates near milano :)
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Yes he operates near milano :)
I thought so. That's great, because I already know Milano well from last year.
But I think Dr. Catagini only does externals? That might be a dealbreaker...sigh...
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I thought so. That's great, because I already know Milano well from last year.
But I think Dr. Catagini only does externals? That might be a dealbreaker...sigh...
Better ask him than me
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According to the info on here, Catagini does Precice. Not sure if for femurs or tibias. I will ask him. He actually seems like a pretty good option.
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If you are going with Femurs, why don't you just do it with Guichet again ?
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If you are going with Femurs, why don't you just do it with Guichet again ?
Oh I absolutely would. 2-3cm more on femurs would be with Dr. G, for about a third of the price of the first surgery, and would only take like 2-3 weeks to get the inch.
The only thing scaring me is proportions. I was previously dead against it, but there HAVE been patients who have done large amounts on just femurs and their proportions don't seem that terrible. And mine are starting to look better now because my thighs are filling out again big time.
If I did femurs again, I would only do 2cm max. Still enough that it's worth in (in MY opinion), as its essentially me wearing a lift without having to wear a lift ;)
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Quick Querry:
Why are you killing yourself over this is? You have an entire life time ahead of you to do so Obviously you don't want to do it when you're 65, but you seem to be in such a high degree of despair over something that can easily be accomplished, considering you've already done it. In all honesty, stop crying over it. BTW, Tibia would probably be better.
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Quick Querry:
Why are you killing yourself over this is? You have an entire life time ahead of you to do so Obviously you don't want to do it when you're 65, but you seem to be in such a high degree of despair over something that can easily be accomplished, considering you've already done it. In all honesty, stop crying over it. BTW, Tibia would probably be better.
Whoa stop with the hatefacts Alu, yea there may be slightly more serious issues in the medical world like people dying of preventable diseases but damn it this man needs a second cosmetic limb lengthening procedure! Priorities ;)
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I thought so. That's great, because I already know Milano well from last year.
But I think Dr. Catagini only does externals? That might be a dealbreaker...sigh...
Dr Catagni lengthens with Precice as well.
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LOL no you guys are right, I need to stop b*tching about it. I like to plan and live my life in stages. In other words, I like to complete projects, and then move on to the next thing. This is the first time I've had to put something so massive (that I really want) to the side, while still living my life. Especially because I'm afraid of having to choose between a future gf and the surgery (worried that she'd leave me for doing the surgery). So in some ways, it's kinda hard for me to entirely move on, hence when this is very frequently on my mind.
However - this doesn't impede my day to day life nearly as much as my posts might seem. This forum is sort of a "dumping ground" (for lack of a better term) for my height-related thoughts. I get dates absolutely no problem (though you wouldn't believe it from the my "online demeanor," which is understandable). I have been going to therapy regularly, and it's actually starting to help...a little bit. But I'm going to keep going.
Regardless, I'm somewhat of a perfectionist, and I want LL behind me. I don't want this to be an annoying mosquito that won't leave me alone until I do it. So that's why it seems that I'm "killing myself" over it. And you're right, at least for now, it is what it is.
I'll work on complaining less on here. Maybe I'll just drop off completely until I make a final decision on what I'm doing.
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LOL no you guys are right, I need to stop b*tching about it. I like to plan and live my life in stages. In other words, I like to complete projects, and then move on to the next thing. This is the first time I've had to put something so massive (that I really want) to the side, while still living my life. Especially because I'm afraid of having to choose between a future gf and the surgery (worried that she'd leave me for doing the surgery). So in some ways, it's kinda hard for me to entirely move on, hence when this is very frequently on my mind.
However - this doesn't impede my day to day life nearly as much as my posts might seem. This forum is sort of a "dumping ground" (for lack of a better term) for my height-related thoughts. I get dates absolutely no problem (though you wouldn't believe it from the my "online demeanor," which is understandable). I have been going to therapy regularly, and it's actually starting to help...a little bit. But I'm going to keep going.
Regardless, I'm somewhat of a perfectionist, and I want LL behind me. I don't want this to be an annoying mosquito that won't leave me alone until I do it. So that's why it seems that I'm "killing myself" over it. And you're right, at least for now, it is what it is.
Frankly, I believe that you got fixed with a number. You are at a great height yellow. You are "only" 2-3cm taller than me but believe me that those 2-3cm are alot (If I was 5'8 I dont think I would even consider the surgery). And dont take a GF into account because whatever you choose, it is primeraly for yourself and not for others. You still havent even gotten the rods out and didnt fully recovered. Wait a little bit, try to put it aside and live life to the fullest and even if after you recover you still feel short, if you have the money, nothing will stop you :)
n.b I would love to talk with you via e-mail, skype, facebook or whatever on your journey with guichet because I am also considering him.
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Whoa stop with the hatefacts Alu, yea there may be slightly more serious issues in the medical world like people dying of preventable diseases but damn it this man needs a second cosmetic limb lengthening procedure! Priorities ;)
Bahahahaha
If I were you, just do the 2cm on your femur. It's quicker, cheaper, easier, it's with Guichet, and 2cm is all you truely want... Go for it. Get it done as soon as you can.
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I didn't think I'd still feel short at 5'8", but I do. But...it also doesn't help that I live in one of the most superficial cities in the world and work in a profession that tends to attract lots of very tall men. I don't want to say too much, but I'm sure this makes it harder. 5'8" might be perfectly fine in some Midwestern country bumpkin town, but definitely not where I live.
But I know I need to stop complaining. The thing is with this surgery (and maybe I'll do an update to my diary to address this)...it is a massive, life changing decision. On so many levels. You can't appreciate the weight of procedure (emotionally, physically, financially, socially, etc.) until you actually go and do it. It actually f*cks with your mind big time even doing it with no complications like I did. Changing your height is a weird thing. And just the fact that we CAN change our height (in some cases, like mine) makes us just want more.
In any case, I'm done complaining on here.
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I didn't think I'd still feel short at 5'8", but I do. But...it also doesn't help that I live in one of the most superficial cities in the world and work in a profession that tends to attract lots of very tall men. I don't want to say too much, but I'm sure this makes it harder. 5'8" might be perfectly fine in some Midwestern country bumpkin town, but definitely not where I live.
But I know I need to stop complaining. The thing is with this surgery (and maybe I'll do an update to my diary to address this)...it is a massive, life changing decision. On so many levels. You can't appreciate the weight of procedure (emotionally, physically, financially, socially, etc.) until you actually go and do it. It actually f*cks with your mind big time even doing it with no complications like I did. Changing your height is a weird thing. And just the fact that we CAN change our height (in some cases, like mine) makes us just want more.
In any case, I'm done complaining on here.
where do you live?
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where do you live?
He is either an investment banker or a lawyer or a consultant in NYC/Chicago/Boston or London. Thats my broad guess.
In business it is really difficult to succeed when you are shorter and not only shorter than the nation average but shorter than the average in your industry. I would guess that the average for what I listed there is 181-2 and at at 172 or even 175-6 one just feels out of place.
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He is either an investment banker or a lawyer or a consultant in NYC/Chicago/Boston or London. Thats my broad guess.
In business it is really difficult to succeed when you are shorter and not only shorter than the nation average but shorter than the average in your industry. I would guess that the average for what I listed there is 181-2 and at at 172 or even 175-6 one just feels out of place.
I'd rather not say where I live, but you are correct on all accounts. I have done pretty well for myself. There are successful guys of all heights in all of those professions you mentioned. I don't necessarily think that there's a direct correlation to success and height in those areas (there probably is, who are we kidding)...but like you said...I just FEEL out of place a lot of the time. It's my internal issue...and THAT'S what sucks.
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I'd rather not say where I live, but you are correct on all accounts. I have done pretty well for myself. There are successful guys of all heights in all of those professions you mentioned. I don't necessarily think that there's a direct correlation to success and height in those areas (there probably is, who are we kidding)...but like you said...I just FEEL out of place a lot of the time. It's my internal issue...and THAT'S what sucks.
Feel free to shout me my surgery and I'll be your LL buddy.
Measured my morning and evening height today..... 171 when I woke up and exactly 171 before I went to sleep (16 hours after waking). I went to work as usual and followed my usual routein.... Spine is having me on.
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Feel free to shout me my surgery and I'll be your LL buddy.
Measured my morning and evening height today..... 171 when I woke up and exactly 171 before I went to sleep (16 hours after waking). I went to work as usual and followed my usual routein.... Spine is having me on.
Welcome to my height :)
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Welcome to my height :)
To add to the list of similarities.
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Yep, time of day and what your daily activities look like all contribute to morning/afternoon heights. For example, someone who's employed in construction where heavy lifting (50-100 pounds) repeatedly over the course of the day causes significant prolonged pressure on your vertebrae (it's not uncommon to drop 1/2 inch or more due to this pressure) as oppose to a person with a cushy office job where little or no physical labor is required. Hell, after my late afternoon swim, I'm 1/2 inch taller lol