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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: Sibirsky on July 01, 2017, 06:37:53 AM
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Regardless of how anyone perceives average height people wanting to get taller, at the end of the, do what makes you happy.
If celebrities who many regard to be the icons in terms of physical appearance can do nosejobs, chin-lifts, filler infections, boobjobs, average-height people choosing to do this surgery should be viewed no differently. All cosmetic procedures carry risks (even death: https://youtu.be/tWRIdly38NQ) thus only discernible difference is that this surgery has a much longer recovery phase
Many of you complain being judged by society solely due to your height and having stereotypes attributed to your height by other people especially with women (i.e. short=weaker, can't protect women, napoleon complex). Well, with all the labels you place on average-height people wanting to do the surgery ( i.e. crazy, insecure, incel) are you acting any differently from society?
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What a fail topic.
Average height leg lengthener whining that people are calling them nuts is like an anorexic girl bitching that people are ridiculing her for getting liposuction.
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Your views are nothing short of irrelevant. This is meant for the people who are on the fence about doing the surgery. What matters is the patient's happy after it's all done. And in my case, I couldnt be happier.
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Your views are nothing short of irrelevant. This is meant for the people who are on the fence about doing the surgery. What matters is the patient's happy after it's all done. And in my case, I couldnt be happier.
My views are the majority so get used to the criticism on the net and by anyone who finds out what you did to yourself. You say you couldn't be happier now but you still aren't post-op enough to run and for that matter have no idea how your stamina, balance and flexibility will be years later. You still have body image issues because now you're worried that you lengthened too much and are considering a second lengthening to damage your body even further. You traded one neurosis for another. How can you be an advocate for something that you haven't even fully completed yet? For all you know your lengthening could be a failure because you'll try to run one day and your body hurts too much to do it for more than mere seconds.
And of all things to advocate, cosmetic lengthening is one of the dumbest. Even short guys advocating other short guys to get this is stupid.
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The majority may agree with you. It's try that this is one of the most morbid forms of cosmetic surgery. As with other cosmetic surgeries in the past, it is taboo. And just like those cosmetic procedures which have become well accepted today, Limb lengthening will too. Especially if the technologies continues to improve to make it more convenient and less taxing on the body and the demand from society increases
https://youtu.be/dIp-4VKdQtU
Because at the end of the day, although the majority would agree that this surgery is extreme, the same majority deep inside wish they were "just a bit taller". Remove the extremity involved like the external fixators and reduce the long term impact which may one day be possible, and I doubt this surgery would be viewed any differently form a nose job.
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Oh yeah btw my flexibility and balance are virtually the same as they were before. I can't tell the difference between doing splits and yoga then and now.
As for stamina and strength I'll get back to you on that, but from the looks of things I'll be running and walking by the end of this year. Again, not much of a long term complication in my case at least. Appreciate the concern tho.
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^ You realize that the person in this video is a lobbyist advertising a company or a technology making profit with LL? So obviously he will say that the technology is very far and it will become a widely accepted and used procedure, there's an economic motive for him to do so. But that's not the truth, because even with our current technology, the consequences of even a completely successful leg lengthening surgery are pretty grave. You have damaged your athletic ability with your surgery already, especially since you lengthened a pretty big amount, and your athletic potential will never be what it once was with your healthy body unimpaired by any surgeries. This is definitely not the case with nose jobs or most other forms of cosmetic surgery. This is a fact.
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True IwannabeTaller.
As much as people here (especially the taller folks) would want to believe, you will never be as athletic (atleast potentionally) post ll like you were pre LL.
Saying "taller people can do better because they have longer bones is complete bull . a 180 person who is proportional has legs who are 5cm longer than a 170 person. Out of those 5cm 0.5-1cm are in the foot so basically they might have a tibia that is like 1-2cm longer than a person who is 10 cm shoter which means they can lengthen a milimeter more safely. As people here know, even tall people don't have like 36 inseam or even 35.
Also the major thing that causes people post LL of all heights to be less effective athletically is that the taller you are, you have more motor units per muscle. So even if your muscle fully recovers after lengthening, it will be less effective because it doesnt have as may motor units as someone who is naturally tall. That's why taller people have more strength potential. It's because they simply have more motor units.
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Sibirsky, you and Vader are imo 2 of the most weird and unsuccessful LL cases I've ever seen, for different reasons though.
I understood that you wanted LL as even though you had a respectable height you still were in the upper range of people that have reasons to do LL as you weren"t taller than average. However, you lengthened too much for no real reason and you ended up a very disproportionate man with huge tibias that looks really weird with shorts or swimsuit or nked and of course your athletic abilities are way less than before due to your destroyed biomechanics.
You could have had an excellent result and height and you ended up an unaesthetically disproportionate man with problematic athletic capabilities for no reason.
So how could you say that we should justify average or taller height LL'ers while people like you do unwisely big amounts of lengthening, that not even really short people who need every cm they could get wouldn't dare to do, and show that the taller you are the more mentally unstable you are to do LL.
Vader on the other hand had a height that no sane person would have a problem with (6 ft), on the other hand it was an absolutely perfect height. But he wore 4 inches heels to appear taller and definitely had serious height complexes so he thought LL was the solution.
He did wise amounts of lengthening, I should give him that, but still he did 2 LLs at a 6ft initial height! That's insane dudes and another example how the taller than the average you are, the more mentally unstable you are.
So no Sibirsky, the discrimination you mentioned is more a way of telling that some people don't have a real height problem but a mental one and LL won't fix it.
Unfortunately, I don't know almost any more than average height LL'er who have real reasons to do it other than feel superior, be taller than my 7ft brother etc while these people most of the times are skinny boys or nerd fatasses who never had any problem with their height but with all their appearance and their personality. Maybe there are some exceptions but very very few.
So the discrimination in reality is between mentally sane people who want to do LL and insane ones. And most of the second group happen to be average height and more.
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HAHAHAH discrimination i love this word :D
Anyone average height getting LL is basically her http://88plasticsurgery.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/sheyla-hershey-plastic-surgery-before.html
So no its not normal. Its fuc ked.
there is a reason that most docs would not touch anyone above 5'5. So stretching it for the sake of this messed up forum to 5'8 is more than enough.
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Maybe we should Also consider Where People are from .. im from Copenhagen Denmark
3rd tallest cuntrie ind the World. Good looking People with pretty good Money .
Someone from india is not the same as someone from the NL, and so on
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I'm from one of the tallest countries in the europe but i don't bitch around like some people do.
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No But i guss things Are still relative.
If your Are from one of the tallest cuntries in EU you Are also from one of the tallest ind the World
I agree this vader guy is crazy. But isnet he a troll ??
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We average height guys just wanna be tall ,for our comfortable life conditions ,of course people should not do like 10 cm in one segment,but there nothing strange in it (average folks who make LL)
Average height from where I am come from exactly 178 so ,I think this is understandable
We don't want to be 7 ft or something,but 6 ft 1-2 is very nice height range,but about people who making it ,or planning to make it in nearest future at 6 ft + is crazy no doubt
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It's not about wanting to be taller, it's about how much you need to pay to be taller.
And now the sacrificies that you need to make to be taller are absolutly not worth it if you are avg height.
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Whether ethical or not the ones with the money to pay for it and the cajones to actually do the surgery are the ones who will benefit. Many dont end up doing the surgery so all expiriences written here are valuable. Instead of casting judgment we should work together to advance the limb lengthening community.
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It's very easy to understand the negativity actually..
When someone says "you guys are just jealous you will never be this tall" or any other similiar bull about exaggerating the suffering of short people and the advantages of tall people than of course they will be disregarded. And of course they will be seen as mentally ill because that's what they are.
A guy who speaks and thinks like Vader is obviously suffering from severe narcissism which is without any doubt a coping mechanism of severe low self esteem and image. Same goes for any other average height or taller LLer speaking is such manner.
Helloworld atleast from how he writes doesn't seem to suffer the same mental problems. Same for you Sibirsky although the fact that you are hurt from critisism also shows that you are too very much a guy with low self esteem.
There are short guys who show the exact same mental problems as tall guys or average height guys doing it.
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All I have to say is this forum is overrepresented by people who are below average and short. I've received many messages from average height people wanting to do the surgery who fear disclosing their height on this forum due to the backlash, so would rather message questions instead. So yes, the point of the discussion: please stop the hate against average height people who are interested in LL. Advice is welcome, unconstructive critisism and outright bashing shouldn't be.
And as for the so-called 'unsuccessfulness' in my case, dude, I walked 2 months post op without any support. Some of you who had your op years ago can't even walk properly until now and need stuff like Achilles lengthening etc. As for proportions, I'll post a pic soon, from my eyes it's not half as bad as other veterans like RGKey (no disrespect to him btw) So thank you for the concern but in terms of health I'm doing just fine
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All I have to say is this forum is overrepresented by people who are below average and short.
I will give you two chances to guess why is that
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No offense OP, but you should have chosen another title to the thread. "Discrimination" is a serious word and no one here is "discriminating" average/tall people (if that was the case you would not be allowed to start threads like this). We are just stating our opinion about the """"""benefits"""""" that a average/tall guy would get from LL. Threads like this remind me of those third wave feminist snowflakes who shout "stop discriminating me!!" any time they hear an opinion they don't like.
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It's not about wanting to be taller, it's about how much you need to pay to be taller.
And now the sacrificies that you need to make to be taller are absolutly not worth it if you are avg height.
This. Great post.
There's no comparison to something like a nose or boob job. The price is WAY, WAY higher.
It's closer to something like a sxx change in severity. Which is why unless you are severely disturbed by your height and have exhausted all options it's not something any sane person of normal height should consider.
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Dude
i cant reach the top shelf in my kitchen
My legs dont reach down when i ride my motorcycle
I can't do doggy with my girlfriend while being on my knees
I am being called shortie- midget by people in my environment giggling
People think they can bully me because of my size
I never find clothes my size to buy
Of course i will say average height people are stupid to go through the procedure to be more atractive.
i tottaly get them.they live in the same stereotyped society which favors tall people.
their chances are better than mine though.
Everyone is free to do what they like.
i would just pick a less painfull way to be attactive if i was average height.
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Is LL as hardcore as a sexchance? Waw fk
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Lol I dont think LL is as radical as a sex change.
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Is LL as hardcore as a sxxchance? Waw fk
LL is the most hard and risky aesthetic surgery and leaves permanent deficits, from small to huge.
That's why it is insane to do it if you are already tall and if you are average, you should lengthen wisely to reduce the permanent effects.
Sibirsky, walking normal is the minimum. I walked normal even when my tendons were overlengthened from my moron ex doctor, I walk normal even now 2 months after my new tendon's shortening and my right tibia straightening surgery.
You did a huge mistake to lengthen so much in tibias without reason. That's why I bash you, not for doing LL at 1 .76 but because you risked so much and had a mediocre result without any real reason.
And I don't care if more than average height people are afraid to write here their real heights. The biggest problem of a 6ft guy who wants LL is not my opinion or any other's here but the mental unstability he has and thinks that an already more than average height is a so big problem that is willing to risk so much and sacrifice some of his athletic capabilities, money and time for something like LL.
LL is not a boobjob, is the most extreme cosmetic surgery and is suitable only for people that have real height problems, for noone else.
So, if some people like Sibirsky who started this topic want to pass the message that LL is like any other cosmetic surgery, I won't let them do it, at least without telling my own opinion which is completely the opposite.
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Yeah this surgery is no way as morbid as a sxx change
By overerepresented I mean too many people who are short to below average are the ones posting the most. They are the tip of the iceberg. There's an big group of average height people here silently gathering information without posting because the shorter people might start bashing them. This is reverse-heightism at its finest
BodyBuilder, now I see your point of view which is that you don't want people to take this surgery lightly with ids effects and all that. I truly respect that. But really in the hands of a competent surgeon if there are no major complications, I think people of any height will be able to SEE and appreciate the change in height. But how much of a difference people perceive us is highly subjective and doesn't solely depend on your initial height. But to say happiness isn't a real reason to be taller isn't justified
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The attack is not on you. And I agree that a few shorties here are indeed bitter.
I also do not doubt that anyone who does this and doesn't get handicapped will be happy with the result no matter starting height.
Only difference is that when a 5'10 guy does it, the change will be 100% (or atleast close to that) within his mind and not like someone 5'5 doing it in which term the change will without doubt be external as well.
Anyhow, the forum now is much better with only one user screaming "heightism" or other reddit short bull .
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Discrimination, heightism...these words have actual meanings and actual definitions. Discrimination is a serious thing, it means you can be denied a job even if you're equally qualified to a taller candidate, or you will be ridiculed and not respected as an adult human being. Discrimination can also encompass getting kicked out of your house of being expelled of your hometown. How are taller individuals treated on this forum? They can write diaries, they can look up information on leg lengthening, and they can seek support. A lot of posters will be critical of their decision for such a grave surgery without a justified reason and openly question these taller posters. Some will mock them. A taller poster comes into this forum and behaves like an utter piece of crap, like he never got some manners beaten into him when he was younger. He tells critical posters that they are just jealous and calls them manlets and faggots. (You all know who I mean) This poster will be heavily criticized. This is not discrimination.
Some posters here described their experience after LL and how it changed their lives to the better. Medium Drink of Water went from 5'7'' to 5'10'' and said that the surgery was the best decision of his life. He was obviously very happy with the change. If this man could be happy with being "just average", why can't average height posters who want LL be happy with their current height? Are they so different from him, do they belong to a different species? Or are they just insecure and want to create an outer shell of protection that shields them against someone attacking their insecure inner selfs? Do they feel they are somewhat special, better than other human beings around them? Because they must obviously see that millions of guys are average height and do just perfectly fine.
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I think its ridiculous that we become the expert on other peoples' lives on these forums. All of a sudden we know exactly what the right decision is for each others' lives.
If you care what people think about you because of your LL decision you shouldn't be getting it in the first place. It should be about your own personal goals and how you gauge risk vs reward. Everyone's story should be different. Like all things in life, pushing your ideals on others never do anything except make you look like a d!ck.
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I think its ridiculous that we become the expert on other peoples' lives on these forums. All of a sudden we know exactly what the right decision is for each others' lives.
If you care what people think about you because of your LL decision you shouldn't be getting it in the first place. It should be about your own personal goals and how you gauge risk vs reward. Everyone's story should be different. Like all things in life, pushing your ideals on others never do anything except make you look like a d!ck.
Have you ever heard about something called common sense? or maybe logic? How about being realistic ? There are also stuff like mental disorders etc but I doubt you ever heard about them.
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Taller people get treated better but the height discrimination starts at under 5'9 officially. Average height people are never discriminated against.
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Have you ever heard about something called common sense? or maybe logic? How about being realistic ? There are also stuff like mental disorders etc but I doubt you ever heard about them.
All those things exist but I won't pretend to know whats best for another person's life when the furthest extent of who they are is what I've learned from a few posts on a forum. I'm not qualified to diagnose mental disorders either. Are you?
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All those things exist but I won't pretend to know whats best for another person's life when the furthest extent of who they are is what I've learned from a few posts on a forum. I'm not qualified to diagnose mental disorders either. Are you?
For some people it is really easy to diagnose that they are mentally unstable.
For someone who does LL at 6 ft, used to wear 4 inches heels and lengthens not only one segment but two, things are pretty easy.
Do you disagree?
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I'm not bashing anybody but at 5'9 or above i would never ever considered this surgery really . If any average guy is passing here i'd like too tell him to think more than twice about this . It's very bad what you gonna do to your body . Not saying don't do it ( almost ) , just do it if you feel very very bad cause of your height . It's a life changing descision after all .
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For some people it is really easy to diagnose that they are mentally unstable.
For someone who does LL at 6 ft, used to wear 4 inches heels and lengthens not only one segment but two, things are pretty easy.
Do you disagree?
If I were 6' would I do LL? Absolutely not (or so I would think). But I can't say someone is unstable just because they want it at that height. I think it is another level of height dysphoria, yes, but those individuals that are 5' probably think this about those who are 5'6" to some degree.
I am not against giving advice or opinions but there is a lot of talk about absolutes and shaming on this forum which is pretty petty.
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Below a certain height your other traits no longer matter. That's how bad being short is honestly.
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Below a certain height your other traits no longer matter. That's how bad being short is honestly.
You forgot to add "in dating" and "for most women, particularly those who are shallow". Otherwise you can have a good life
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You forgot to add "in dating" and "for most women, particularly those who are shallow". Otherwise you can have a good life
Men are also shallow. They don't respect short men as much. That's the main reason that I am doing leg lengthening. It's not just for women.
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What? Sure, men are shallow as well but besides the obvious difference in raw physical strength, not man has disrespected me because of my height. No here in South America, nor in the US or Italy. You must be doing Something wrong
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What? Sure, men are shallow as well but besides the obvious difference in raw physical strength, not man has disrespected me because of my height. No here in South America, nor in the US or Italy. You must be doing Something wrong
It depends on the area man.
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Men are also shallow. They don't respect short men as much. That's the main reason that I am doing leg lengthening. It's not just for women.
Although we have the same opinions in some things about dating, your obsession of thinking that you are very short and that you get disrespect from that starts to becoming irritating.
You are 5.8, no man would tease you unless you are skinny or really bad looking.
I am no more tham 5.85 most of the day and men praise me for my muscles and always ask me what I suggest them to become like me.
So yes, in dating that height is a drawback but nowhere else.
I start to believe that you may have very low esteem or a skinny body and that's the main reason why people disrespect to you.
But for sure at your height it is insane to feel that bad in every aspect. Many people here are way more successful and with better self esteem than you and they are not more than 5.7.
Your height is on the short range of average, not short nor tall, average.
That means you are in the normal range of heights and if someone bashes you about your height, you should ridicule him as he is the one with the problem, not you.
So get a life and stop moaning because your attitude reminds me a 6ft man who wore heels to appear taller.
Of course your height is not good but is is not as bad as you think it is. And in no way you face heightism at that height.
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I've been here for a bit and I never really noticed this. Do you guys honestly think bad of me for going through with my femur lengthening with a starting height at a bit under 5'9?
@Body Builder, do you think I'm crazy for wanting to lengthen the full 8cm? I've seen you advocate for 8cm as a good/safe length before, but I'm not sure if you still think that or if I misread it.
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Lol I dont think LL is as radical as a sxx change.
You're spending $100,000+ (assuming you go to a 'competent' doc), years in recovery, permanently changing your biomechanics & risking significant complications. It's closer to a sxx change than it is to a boob job, especially regarding price & recovery.
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Men are also shallow. They don't respect short men as much. That's the main reason that I am doing leg lengthening. It's not just for women.
Men are respected by other men for how competent they are. At least when you're an adult (25+). Plenty of people at work are way more respected than me, & way shorter. & vice versa.
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I agree with Thatdude and BB, women are usually the main source of height shaming. Men in my experience respect you because of your competence and since you are of average or close to average height, it shouldn't prevent you from being treated as you deserve. It is not because of your height.
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You're spending $100,000+ (assuming you go to a 'competent' doc), years in recovery, permanently changing your biomechanics & risking significant complications. It's closer to a sxx change than it is to a boob job, especially regarding price & recovery.
I see it slightly more positive:
I went to the most competent doc, and got it done for $40,000.
Though recovery is still ongoing, after just two month I was able to go to the office and follow my normal routine.
Now, after 7 month, I am able to do anything I want. The only limitation is that I am still jumping not as high as before, nor running as fast as before, nor am I as flexible as before. But I am getting there.
I did not have much pain at all.
In total I spend about 250 hours of recovery training and stretching over the last 7 months, at $100 hourly rate that is $25,000 that is spend in "wasted" time on training my body.
For me the only big problem in LL is if you get a complication. But those are really rare.
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I see it slightly more positive:
I went to the most competent doc, and got it done for $40,000.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4
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I went to the most competent doc, and got it done for $40,000.
https://giphy.com/gifs/stone-cold-steve-austin-M7t5GIszd4Nc4
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I've been here for a bit and I never really noticed this. Do you guys honestly think bad of me for going through with my femur lengthening with a starting height at a bit under 5'9?
@Body Builder, do you think I'm crazy for wanting to lengthen the full 8cm? I've seen you advocate for 8cm as a good/safe length before, but I'm not sure if you still think that or if I misread it.
No, at your height there are reasons to do LL and certainly your life will improve a lot if things go well.
That happens with every less than average height man or at max completely average. Not even an inch more though.
And I never said that 8cm is a safe amount for tibias. Never. For femur yes it is safer but still not so much and I think that the aesthetic result will be a little bad for someone who does one segment only to lengthen so much.
I am 5.9 and I plan for a femur LL too but I won't go further than 6.5 cm because I want better results in terms of proportions and functions and because above 5.11 height stops to matter.
I suggest you to do the same and lenghthen not more than 7cm max, even in femurs.
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Men are respected by other men for how competent they are. At least when you're an adult (25+). Plenty of people at work are way more respected than me, & way shorter. & vice versa.
Very true. But what about at interviews? First impressions are lasting impressions.
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You're spending $100,000+ (assuming you go to a 'competent' doc), years in recovery, permanently changing your biomechanics & risking significant complications. It's closer to a sxx change than it is to a boob job, especially regarding price & recovery.
A doctor does not have to charge 6 figures to be compotent as is evidenced by the diarys of this forum. Also say for example I use 5 cm lifts and then do 7 cm surgery. With the lfits off hardly anyone would notice a diffrence. Of course the walking could be off at first but they wont be suspecting about LL. Meanwhile a sxx change operation is a drastric surgery in changing youre life as you are a different gender. So while limb lengthening will always pose a danger no matter the circumstances it is not as extreme as a sxx change operation.
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A doctor does not have to charge 6 figures to be compotent as is evidenced by the diarys of this forum. Also say for example I use 5 cm lifts and then do 7 cm surgery. With the lfits off hardly anyone would notice a diffrence. Of course the walking could be off at first but they wont be suspecting about LL. Meanwhile a sxx change operation is a drastric surgery in changing youre life as you are a different gender. So while limb lengthening will always pose a danger no matter the circumstances it is not as extreme as a sxx change operation.
It is not. On the other hand, with sex change operation is impossible to get crippled while with LL is not rare to have permanent disabilities.
LL is not as drastic as sex change as it doesn't change you completely as the latter.
But the risks, the time and the money it needs make it much closer to a so drastic surgery than easy surgeries like boob or nosejobs which need 1/10 of money and time and have no permanent effects if things don't go terribly bad.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4
Dead serious.
Are you of the opinion that anyone else is more competent than Dr. Monegal? Maybe Rozbruch or Baumgart?
If so based on what?
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Dead serious.
Are you of the opinion that anyone else is more competent than Dr. Monegal? Maybe Rozbruch or Baumgart?
If so based on what?
2 users already proved that monegal is everything but not "the most competent".
Besides i love this little cult of monegal on this forum, i don't think any other doc patients tries to snuggle this superlatives into their posts as much as monegal's patients do.
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Also the physical therapist that they use does not have a license. Might as well use the janitor who mops the floor if he says that he knows what hes doing.
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i don't think any other doc patients tries to snuggle this superlatives into their posts as much as monegal's patients do.
I wonder why :-)
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I wonder why :-)
Don't forget lube and tissues next time you will visit him.
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So I've had some time reflecting on this and reading the replies. I think I can to an extent conclude that there isn't outright discrimination here. But the double standards against average height people are palpable >:(. Not from everyone though, many are supportive regardless of a persons initial height
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I don't understand, what double standards?
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So I've had some time reflecting on this and reading the replies. I think I can to an extent conclude that there isn't outright discrimination here. But the double standards against average height people are palpable >:(. Not from everyone though, many are supportive regardless of a persons initial height
Of course there are double standards between short people who really need LL to improve their lives and live normally and tall morons who think that if they become giants they will own the world while most of the times they are so loosers that height maybe the least of their problems.
Any sane person would have had double standards to any cosmetic surgery between people who need it and people who don't, so why LL, the most extreme cosmetic surgery out there, should have been an exception ?
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No, at your height there are reasons to do LL and certainly your life will improve a lot if things go well.
That happens with every less than average height man or at max completely average. Not even an inch more though.
And I never said that 8cm is a safe amount for tibias. Never. For femur yes it is safer but still not so much and I think that the aesthetic result will be a little bad for someone who does one segment only to lengthen so much.
I am 5.9 and I plan for a femur LL too but I won't go further than 6.5 cm because I want better results in terms of proportions and functions and because above 5.11 height stops to matter.
I suggest you to do the same and lenghthen not more than 7cm max, even in femurs.
Oh yes, definitely not in femurs lol. But on this page: (Not letting me post the link, but it was in Tall's femur diary on a different forum)
You actually did say "You should have stopped at 8cm imo and continue your life without any problem and the need of doing another LL." to Tall, so I thought that was implying you could do 8cm in femurs without any consequences.
I originally wanted to go at least 7.6cm, however I changed my goal to do 8cm because with it I'll be 183 solid (starting height 175) rather than under it. Do you think there's a big functionality difference between 7cm and 7.6cm, and 7.6cm and 8cm? If I truly had to stop earlier than 8 to not compromise function, I'd have no problem if it's at least in 7's lol
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Oh yes, definitely not in femurs lol. But on this page: (Not letting me post the link, but it was in Tall's femur diary on a different forum)
You actually did say "You should have stopped at 8cm imo and continue your life without any problem and the need of doing another LL." to Tall, so I thought that was implying you could do 8cm in femurs without any consequences.
I originally wanted to go at least 7.6cm, however I changed my goal to do 8cm because with it I'll be 183 solid (starting height 175) rather than under it. Do you think there's a big functionality difference between 7cm and 7.6cm, and 7.6cm and 8cm? If I truly had to stop earlier than 8 to not compromise function, I'd have no problem if it's at least in 7's lol
We are way off topic.
Some people can handle 8cm without much problems while others struggle to get 6cm.
Most of people can get 7cm in femurs but from that and above things get pretty hard especially if you don't get IT band release.
It is stupid to want to reach 6ft and risk for that while you could become 1.82 possibly much easier .
Anyway all these have been mentioned again and again. Everyone is responsible for his actions.
If you believe that becoming 6ft is more important than be healthy and functional, then risk for it. It's your body after all.
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BODYBUILDER excuse me you are medium tall tuday why more lengthening ??
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BODYBUILDER excuse me you are medium tall tuday why more lengthening ??
Because at 5.9 (or 5.85 during the most of the day to be honest) I still feel and see that my height is my weakest point.
I have a good face, I hit the gym frequent and have build a built body, I have a better than average job (no way I am rich though) and generally speaking I improved myself almost as much as I could but the only thing I am less than average is still my height. And on dating I see that it is so important that, although I am way better than the average man of my country in every aspect, I can't do a so nice first impression as taller dudes and most women are very strict with me saying that I am not as tall as they wished or that I would have been much better if I have been taller and all these. Also my ex gf uses to tease me about my height although I was way taller than her (she was 5.4) and huge compared to her now bf who is 6.1 btw.
So Christopher, unlike many tall people here, I imoroved anything I could and if you may, believe my words, I am better in almost any aspect than the average man.
But my lack of height, or to be more specific the lack of being comoletely average or even better 1-2 inch more than that, makes me feel worse than the average man in the eyes of many women out there and I really find it stupid to work so hard in all other aspects to compensate for the only thing I can't change physically.
So I don't want to continue compensate for anything and the only thing I lack, even not much as I still have successes in dating and in other aspects of my life, is height.
So the only way for me to feel complete and have more success with women who most of the times are obsessed about men's height is unfortunately another one LL.
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Because at 5.9 (or 5.85 during the most of the day to be honest) I still feel and see that my height is my weakest point.
I have a good face, I hit the gym frequent and have build a built body, I have a better than average job (no way I am rich though) and generally speaking I improved myself almost as much as I could but the only thing I am less than average is still my height. And on dating I see that it is so important that, although I am way better than the average man of my country in every aspect, I can't do a so nice first impression as taller dudes and most women are very strict with me saying that I am not as tall as they wished or that I would have been much better if I have been taller and all these. Also my ex gf uses to tease me about my height although I was way taller than her (she was 5.4) and huge compared to her now bf who is 6.1 btw.
So Christopher, unlike many tall people here, I imoroved anything I could and if you may, believe my words, I am better in almost any aspect than the average man.
But my lack of height, or to be more specific the lack of being comoletely average or even better 1-2 inch more than that, makes me feel worse than the average man in the eyes of many women out there and I really find it stupid to work so hard in all other aspects to compensate for the only thing I can't change physically.
So I don't want to continue compensate for anything and the only thing I lack, even not much as I still have successes in dating and in other aspects of my life, is height.
So the only way for me to feel complete and have more success with women who most of the times are obsessed about men's height is unfortunately another one LL.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you a double-standard. In other words he's just saying in a lengthy way: other average height people dont deserve to do the surgery, but I DO. I don't care how you phrase it; 5' 9 to 5'11 is average in virtually all Western nations. At least I am capable of admitting that I did it just once for happiness. You can't even bring yourself to admit you're doing it twice for your ego (exhibited by the underlined quote)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4
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You will be in for a disappointment BB.
Can't believe a bunch of self entiteled bitches are the reason you are obssesing about your height again..
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Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you a double-standard. In other words he's just saying in a lengthy way: other average height people dont deserve to do the surgery, but I DO. I don't care how you phrase it; 5' 9 to 5'11 is average in virtually all Western nations. At least I am capable of admitting that I did it just once for happiness. You can't even bring yourself to admit you're doing it twice for your ego (exhibited by the underlined quote)
You must be stupid or a liar to say such things.
I always said that anyone who is less than average height has reasons to do LL and at my country I am 4 cm less than average.
Even in your case I said that I don't judge you for doing LL at 1.76 but for doing 8cm in tibias and ruining your proportions and your athletic abilities without real reason because even if you stopped at 6-6.5 cm you would have still been tall enough but with better proportions and functionality.
I am almost 2 cm less than your initial height and I plan to do max 7cm (probably 6) and in femurs where maximum safe border is more than tibias. If I lengthen 10 cm and have as bad proportions as you then you can judge me about not doing what I said, but not now.
Sibirsky you may want to attack me because I told you my completely honest opinion about your really bad proportions after LL and your too much lengthening that it was a bad decision.
But don't say lies, I always said that less than average men has reasons to do LL. And in a country like mine where average men's height is 1.78, my 1,74 (cause 1,75,5 is only my morning height) is shorter by a major amount so I am clearly in the category of less than average height men.
So which are the double standards you speak about?
Tibike, I am not obsessing about anything. I just want to improve the last thing I believe I have less than average and this is height.
So the only way to fix it is LL. It is that simple.
Till then I continue my life normally.
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You must be stupid or a liar to say such things.
I always said that anyone who is less than average height has reasons to do LL and at my country I am 4 cm less than average.
Even in your case I said that I don't judge you for doing LL at 1.76 but for doing 8cm in tibias and ruining your proportions and your athletic abilities without real reason because even if you stopped at 6-6.5 cm you would have still been tall enough but with better proportions and functionality.
I am almost 2 cm less than your initial height and I plan to do max 7cm (probably 6) and in femurs where maximum safe border is more than tibias. If I lengthen 10 cm and have as bad proportions as you then you can judge me about not doing what I said, but not now.
Sibirsky you may want to attack me because I told you my completely honest opinion about your really bad proportions after LL and your too much lengthening that it was a bad decision.
But don't say lies, I always said that less than average men has reasons to do LL. And in a country like mine where average men's height is 1.78, my 1,74 (cause 1,75,5 is only my morning height) is shorter by a major amount so I am clearly in the category of less than average height men.
So which are the double standards you speak about?
Tibike, I am not obsessing about anything. I just want to improve the last thing I believe I have less than average and this is height.
So the only way to fix it is LL. It is that simple.
Till then I continue my life normally.
Just 4 cm less and you would rather break your legs rather than just wear lifts? Whatever happened to the dangers of losing athletic abilities? And no I'm not attacking I'm just questioning the motives and reasons behind the things you're telling the community
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I just Think all of you guys who hve done LL i super brave
And i wish i could know how it would feel on My own Body after doing 5-6 ... Staying in the low amount
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Just 4 cm less and you would rather break your legs rather than just wear lifts? Whatever happened to the dangers of losing athletic abilities? And no I'm not attacking I'm just questioning the motives and reasons behind the things you're telling the community
You wonder why I want an LL at 4cm less than average in my country while you mentioned that you were about 2 cm taller than average in your country even before LL and regardless of that you lengthened a huge 8cm amount and ruined your proportions.
Are you a madman?
My athletic abilities are not as before LL. The LL itself and the disastrous atl I did made my functionality about 80% compared to before. I believe that the fix surgery I did before 2.5 months will help me gain maybe even 10% more but I won't know before hiting 6 months at least. So yes, another LL won't improve my condition but I don't believe it will worsen it too as I'll do a very safe amount of lengthening and my femur-tibia ration will become almost normal which helps with premature arthritis and all these.
I don't want to lie, I don't think that another LL will make my functionality better but I really don't believe it will worsen it significant and even if I lose another 5%, I prefer to be a 75% functional 1.80 man than a 1.74 80% functional man as the difference is small in functionality but big in terms of height.
But if I had the choice of becoming 1.84 and about 80% functional compared to 1.82 90% functional, of course I would choose the second. You chose the first.
Of course things may go bad and become a cripple as everyone who does LL. But that's a risk I am willing to take because with the extra height I'll vain my life will be improved. A 6ft guy who does LL can't say the same though as the risk outweighs a lot the benefits.
So you are one of the last that can judge me for wanting LL at 4cm less than the average height in my country while you did it at a more than average initial height.
As for my motivation, I wrote about it many times and I always speak completely honest. It is women and the thing that I don't want to be less than average in something that I can't change with hard work as I always tried hard to improve my life amd myself. But height is one of the few things you can't change psysically and unfortunately maybe the most important for a man and LL is the only way.
So I explained for one more time my motivations.
Are you ok now or you'll continue to tell lies about me having double standards?
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Because at 5.9 (or 5.85 during the most of the day to be honest) I still feel and see that my height is my weakest point.
I have a good face, I hit the gym frequent and have build a built body, I have a better than average job (no way I am rich though) and generally speaking I improved myself almost as much as I could but the only thing I am less than average is still my height. And on dating I see that it is so important that, although I am way better than the average man of my country in every aspect, I can't do a so nice first impression as taller dudes and most women are very strict with me saying that I am not as tall as they wished or that I would have been much better if I have been taller and all these. Also my ex gf uses to tease me about my height although I was way taller than her (she was 5.4) and huge compared to her now bf who is 6.1 btw.
So Christopher, unlike many tall people here, I imoroved anything I could and if you may, believe my words, I am better in almost any aspect than the average man.
But my lack of height, or to be more specific the lack of being comoletely average or even better 1-2 inch more than that, makes me feel worse than the average man in the eyes of many women out there and I really find it stupid to work so hard in all other aspects to compensate for the only thing I can't change physically.
So I don't want to continue compensate for anything and the only thing I lack, even not much as I still have successes in dating and in other aspects of my life, is height.
So the only way for me to feel complete and have more success with women who most of the times are obsessed about men's height is unfortunately another one LL.
YES understand you position
180 CM+ is best in every country is real for me is the same probleme 175cm in not short but is not tall but is very very more buter tu 168CM IS DIFFERENT WORLD FOR ME
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For me:
an increase from 160 cm to 170 cm ads 10 happiness points,
an increase from 170 cm to 180 cm ads 14 happiness points,
an increase from 180 cm to 190 cm ads 7 happiness points,
an increase from 190 cm to 200 cm ads 1.5 happiness points.
In more detail:
160 - 165: up 4 points
165 - 170: up 6 points
170 - 175: up 7.5 points
175 - 180: up 6.5 points
180 - 185: up 4.5 points
185 - 190: up 2.5 points
190 - 195: up 1 points
195 - 200: up 0.5 point
200 - 205: down 0.5 points
The reason is that if you are 160 and increase 5 cm you will still be at the bottom 5% of population.
But if you are 175 and go to 180, you go from shorter than 65% of population to taller than 65% of population, so with 5cm you pass 30% of the population.
http://imgur.com/a/HSHqZ
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For me:
an increase from 160 cm to 170 cm ads 10 happiness points,
an increase from 170 cm to 180 cm ads 14 happiness points,
an increase from 180 cm to 190 cm ads 7 happiness points,
an increase from 190 cm to 200 cm ads 1.5 happiness points.
In more detail:
160 - 165: up 4 points
165 - 170: up 6 points
170 - 175: up 7.5 points
175 - 180: up 6.5 points
180 - 185: up 4.5 points
185 - 190: up 2.5 points
190 - 195: up 1 points
195 - 200: up 0.5 point
200 - 205: down 0.5 points
The reason is that if you are 160 and increase 5 cm you will still be at the bottom 5% of population.
But if you are 175 and go to 180, you go from shorter than 65% of population to taller than 65% of population, so with 5cm you pass 30% of the population.
http://imgur.com/a/HSHqZ
Hey helloworld! I don't think you realise what you've just done. You my friend are a genius! You have just pointed out an empirical and quantitative way we can measure how worth it and how much 'happiness' one can gain during limb lengthening. I think it's ingenious that you figured out that we can make a correlation between increase in height from initial height compared to the distribution in heights of the population. If one factors in that height distribution is arranged in a bell jar shape in population with the majority surrounding the 50th percentile, it means that if you are average or only slightly below the 50th percentile, limb lengthening will allow you to surpass a significant portion of the population with relatively small lengthening. Conversely, if we are at the extremities (too tall/too short) the change in height will only cause us to surpass only a small percentage of the population even with relatively higher lengthening.
I suggest we further develop this idea with proper stats so we can truly show that it's definitely worth doing limb lengthening if one is average or around average and more importantly, provide a quantitative assessment on one of the most asked questions in this forum: is it worth doing limb lengthening?
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@Sibirsky @helloworld
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7hTe2-6pN8
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For me:
an increase from 160 cm to 170 cm ads 10 happiness points,
an increase from 170 cm to 180 cm ads 14 happiness points,
an increase from 180 cm to 190 cm ads 7 happiness points,
an increase from 190 cm to 200 cm ads 1.5 happiness points.
In more detail:
160 - 165: up 4 points
165 - 170: up 6 points
170 - 175: up 7.5 points
175 - 180: up 6.5 points
180 - 185: up 4.5 points
185 - 190: up 2.5 points
190 - 195: up 1 points
195 - 200: up 0.5 point
200 - 205: down 0.5 points
The reason is that if you are 160 and increase 5 cm you will still be at the bottom 5% of population.
But if you are 175 and go to 180, you go from shorter than 65% of population to taller than 65% of population, so with 5cm you pass 30% of the population.
http://imgur.com/a/HSHqZ
Nice work Helloworld although I think that above 1.80 the happiness points should be less and from 1.85 and above we should talk about craziness points, not happiness.
The biggest change imo is with people between 5.6 and 5.9 initial heights but still even shorter people can benefit a lot from LL.
@Christopher: as I see we are almost in the same position. Same initial height, same afterLL height and still believing that another LL will benefit us a lot. I'm sure you can understand what I am talking about when I explain my motivations for another LL.
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Bodybuilder, I agree with your assessment. The points represent my preferences and the increase in happiness for me only levels off once you get to above 180 and even at 185 there is quite some increase to 190 and 195.
That of course reflects my personal situation with parents over 180 and 185 and brothers that are over 195.
But my point is that I definately see your benefit going from 175 to 180!
And even for me, going from 181 to 186, I am much less self-conscious now. In fact, I have a self confidence, similar to what I had while living in India and China, where even before LL I was considered tall.
By the way, if I was below 170 cm I would emigrate to India, China or South America.
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Also the physical therapist that they use does not have a license. Might as well use the janitor who mops the floor if he says that he knows what hes doing.
He is indeed a cleaning man in hospital
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He is indeed a cleaning man in hospital
So off topic.
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He is indeed a cleaning man in hospital
and you are indeed a "realpatient"
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You guys crack me up
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He is indeed a cleaning man in hospital
the most suspicious name ever haha
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This whole topic is ridiculous. Why the f@ck should taller people be intimidated by midgets and manlets on this forum. Average height people already have an upper hand at doing limb lengthening, at least they are actually within range of achieving great height like 6'-6' 4. And as for the benefits of being this tall, well only those that are that tall will know, those that aren't and will not be don't know what they're talking about
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You got ur arse rekt by 5'7 guy so gj vader
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Yes I am a real patient and had some problems as others had problems
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Yes I am a real patient and had some problems as others had problems
Ok I'll bite, what problems did you have personally?
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I prefer answering in private if you don't mind.
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I prefer answering in private if you don't mind.
Sure, PM me if you'd like. Thanks
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In the realm of statistics, there's average and then there's above average. If you can supplant being in the 50th percentile with going to the 80-85th percentile, I deem it to be a worthwhile cause, despite what others may think.
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Old thread, but it covers the discussion topic, so...
The problem is not "average" people wanting to become taller.
Here are the problems:
- Using the average of the tallest countries of the world to say "average". Perception of height is relative to where you live, but height is an objective measurement, and we are only one species. Being average in tall countries doesn't mean you're objectively average: it means you are subjectively average.
- CLL is admittedly by everyone here the most invasive, painful, time-consuming cosmetic procedure there is - also associated with long term consequences. Many LL vets here said this message in some sort of form: "if you are X height, don't do LL". For paco (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=4720.msg74239#msg74239), it was 5'7/170cm. doomsday mentioned something like 5'8/173cm in this thread. BB says something like 178cm.
So, the crux of the question is: people are free to do whatever they want with their own hard-earned money and their own bodies, but what is seen as discrimination is more a concern for a flawed cost-benefit analysis. Talking about men, being average in a place like Denmark means being 180cm. If you want to do this mainly because of women, online surveys put the ideal height for men at around 180cm in metric countries and 183cm (6 feet) in Imperial ones. So it seems that people who are around that height range and have women as one of the main concerns/reasons for wanting to undergo broken bones, with a gap slowly filled apart, plus lifelong consequences, are not being as sound of mind as many here would like them to be. They could, in all likelihood, get the same increased success with women that CLL would give them through non-invasive ways. I find cases similar to Helloworld's, mentioned in this thread, more understandable: being and feeling short within your own family, and not wanting to feel that way, or wanting to change that.
At the end of the day, like I mentioned, everyone is free to do what they want with their own bodies, granted they're not harming anyone else. I'll respect the decision of even a 190cm guy, as long as it seems to me he has done proper research about what this actually is, and he was honest with his reasons to want something like CLL. If he tells me it is about women, I'll refer him to those surveys and tell him to consider other avenues. If he straight tells me he just always wanted to be taller than that, has shown that he has done proper research and knows this is far from a nosejob, and is only willing to go to the best doctors, without seemingly risking his perspectives of future employment, retirement, and physical mobility, then I can't say anything. I wouldn't do it, but it's his life.
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Sounds sensible to me. As long as they do their homework, take a step back and see their situation with an objective gaze, it's really up to them.
I see this argument a lot: "you think you have it hard, try being my height!" It's understandable, we've all felt this way and want to vent, but no amount of empathy is going to put them in our shoes. They've lived their life in their own way, and for some reason ended up looking into CLL.
Many of us on this forum want to get into the average height club, but I don't blame average height people wanting to become objectively tall. I can understand the desire for that when all our lives we're encouraged (and rewarded) to be better than average.
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Sounds sensible to me. As long as they do their homework, take a step back and see their situation with an objective gaze, it's really up to them.
This is the problem here. Some of these objectively-tall-but-average-in-their-country people don't do their "homework" properly.
Many of us on this forum want to get into the average height club, but I don't blame average height people wanting to become objectively tall. I can understand the desire for that when all our lives we're encouraged (and rewarded) to be better than average.
Imagine being 5'11/180cm or 6'/183cm and getting "butchered" by any of the worst surgeons we know of. Be careful to not become what you're fighting. The concept that "more" height is better is heightist in itself. You are unnaturally adding more height to your legs; you aren't making all of yourself proportionally taller.
Going back to my example and actually illustrating it: you (180cm+ man) wanted to get taller. Soon. For cheap. Imagine how much of a loser you'd be seen by your peers to ruin your perfectly fine legs when you're taller than the vast majority of humans on the planet, and the worst possible scenario is that you're average where you live. Walking with a limp - or worse - to remind everyone of what you did to yourself. In this case, a failed CLL would be seen in much worse ways than a legitimately short guy who was just trying to experience life like the men within the normal distribution of height do.
I'm just putting it in a harsh way how the cost-benefit analysis that must be made is different for different heights. This "discrimination" is just trying to make really sure the people with low benefits really know what they're getting into. The taller you are, the more you'll be "discriminated" against. Most people don't like seeing others making possibly terrible decisions for themselves.
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Yep, I wouldn't encourage it. My first sentence in the last message was short, but it's important.
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This is the problem here. Some of these objectively-tall-but-average-in-their-country people don't do their "homework" properly.
Imagine being 5'11/180cm or 6'/183cm and getting "butchered" by any of the worst surgeons we know of. Be careful to not become what you're fighting. The concept that "more" height is better is heightist in itself. You are unnaturally adding more height to your legs; you aren't making all of yourself proportionally taller.
Going back to my example and actually illustrating it: you (180cm+ man) wanted to get taller. Soon. For cheap. Imagine how much of a loser you'd be seen by your peers to ruin your perfectly fine legs when you're taller than the vast majority of humans on the planet, and the worst possible scenario is that you're average where you live. Walking with a limp - or worse - to remind everyone of what you did to yourself. In this case, a failed CLL would be seen in much worse ways than a legitimately short guy who was just trying to experience life like the men within the normal distribution of height do.
I'm just putting it in a harsh way how the cost-benefit analysis that must be made is different for different heights. This "discrimination" is just trying to make really sure the people with low benefits really know what they're getting into. The taller you are, the more you'll be "discriminated" against. Most people don't like seeing others making possibly terrible decisions for themselves.
I think most of it is that people can't imagine themselves with these complications as it's never happened to them. They feel they'll just be able to accept whatever as long as they get their instant gratification. And then you'll see the posts after about "How stupid I was" to make this decision...And then the next onlookers will just sift past it and think it could never happen to them.
I forget who's thread it was but they said that they were thinking about either suicide or LL. When they went through LL they realized that all they wanted to do was get it over with and be healthy.
Someone who's 5'11" wanting to get LL is absolutely insane in my eyes. Once they get the limp or the problem they'll wish they listened but i've found it's almost impossible to convince them otherwise when their mind is made up.
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I think most of it is that people can't imagine themselves with these complications as it's never happened to them. They feel they'll just be able to accept whatever as long as they get their instant gratification. And then you'll see the posts after about "How stupid I was" to make this decision...And then the next onlookers will just sift past it and think it could never happen to them.
I forget who's thread it was but they said that they were thinking about either suicide or LL. When they went through LL they realized that all they wanted to do was get it over with and be healthy.
Someone who's 5'11" wanting to get LL is absolutely insane in my eyes. Once they get the limp or the problem they'll wish they listened but i've found it's almost impossible to convince them otherwise when their mind is made up.
funny thing is the same complications could arise for you. just because you are shorter doesn't make the surgery any less risky. People on this forum are insecure about their height so it makes sense there would be a lot of discrimination for average height men to undergo this surgery.
Height neurosis is a real thing regardless of your height, so idc what people on here say. Do your own research, regardless of your height and if you still think the surgery will be worth it for you, then do it. Don't let others insecurities try to dissuade you from this surgery.
Fact is this surgery is done hundreds of thousands of times in the united states for leg length discrepancies with rarely a serious complication. If this surgery was soooooo risky it wouldn't be performed for ll discrepancies in the united states on an otherwise healthy individual. You must do your research and get a good surgeon tho. Don't go to a butcher like guichet, sringari, sarin, monegal. If you want the upmost safety, save up and go to dr. Paley or Rozbruch and do a unilateral surgery for 5-7 cm. Or get TSF frames for external tibias for 3-5 cm with Mahboubian. If you really can't save up that much, then go to dr. parihar, who is a great honest surgeon and recommended by Paley.
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If you give me one diary where a patient of dr. paley, rozbruch, mahboubian, or parihar's developed a limp that never recovered, I will give you a cookie.
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funny thing is the same complications could arise for you. just because you are shorter doesn't make the surgery any less risky. People on this forum are insecure about their height so it makes sense there would be a lot of discrimination for average height men to undergo this surgery.
Height neurosis is a real thing regardless of your height, so idc what people on here say. Do your own research, regardless of your height and if you still think the surgery will be worth it for you, then do it. Don't let others insecurities try to dissuade you from this surgery.
Fact is this surgery is done hundreds of thousands of times in the united states for leg length discrepancies with rarely a serious complication. If this surgery was soooooo risky it wouldn't be performed for ll discrepancies in the united states on an otherwise healthy individual. You must do your research and get a good surgeon tho. Don't go to a butcher like guichet, sringari, sarin, monegal. If you want the upmost safety, save up and go to dr. Paley or Rozbruch and do a unilateral surgery for 5-7 cm. Or get TSF frames for external tibias for 3-5 cm with Mahboubian. If you really can't save up that much, then go to dr. parihar, who is a great honest surgeon and recommended by Paley.
By the way, you're the main (good) example I think of when I think about tall guys who want CLL in this forum. You want this for yourself (not for women), you make sure to do your research properly, you exclude bad doctors, and you don't have any insane amounts in your head. Overall seems to know what you're getting into too, which is the most important part.
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By the way, you're the main (good) example I think of when I think about tall guys who want CLL in this forum. You want this for yourself (not for women), you make sure to do your research properly, you exclude bad doctors, and you don't have any insane amounts in your head.
thanks man, i try to tell about docs and research on here because i feel as if a lot of people unfortunately go in this blindly and don't do their own research. Finding a good surgeon should be the #1 priority for people on here. You're health is worth more than the difference in cost between a good surgeon and a butcher.
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funny thing is the same complications could arise for you. just because you are shorter doesn't make the surgery any less risky. People on this forum are insecure about their height so it makes sense there would be a lot of discrimination for average height men to undergo this surgery.
Height neurosis is a real thing regardless of your height, so idc what people on here say. Do your own research, regardless of your height and if you still think the surgery will be worth it for you, then do it. Don't let others insecurities try to dissuade you from this surgery.
Fact is this surgery is done hundreds of thousands of times in the united states for leg length discrepancies with rarely a serious complication. If this surgery was soooooo risky it wouldn't be performed for ll discrepancies in the united states on an otherwise healthy individual. You must do your research and get a good surgeon tho. Don't go to a butcher like guichet, sringari, sarin, monegal. If you want the upmost safety, save up and go to dr. Paley or Rozbruch and do a unilateral surgery for 5-7 cm. Or get TSF frames for external tibias for 3-5 cm with Mahboubian. If you really can't save up that much, then go to dr. parihar, who is a great honest surgeon and recommended by Paley.
I mean yes if you have 200k and a couple years to spare US is a great option. The vast majority of people do not have the money to use Paley or Rozbruch. Then you recommend Parihar who only operates on a few people per year. So what's left for everyone else (Which is the vast majority)? A lot of gray area, risks and alleged "butchers"
Yes there might not be many long term complications for those select few doctors. But the ladder is where the majority of the surgeries are done for cosmetics on not only this website but in general statistically, and the ladder is where most of the complications occur.
Doing LL no matter what at 5'11"-6'0" is a stupid idea. I understand height neurosis and peoples needs but it's still objectively stupid as you will have zero discrimination in society due to your height since you're statistically taller than over 70% of people in North America and closer to 80% on a worldwide scale.
What I will agree with is that satisfying our brain with some form of contentment is extremely important to hold onto ones sanity. If LL is one of those things that needs to be done at those heights (For whatever reason, probably botched facts and propaganda that's been given to the person considering in, and usually underlying psychological problems that are undiagnosed) Then I suppose it will help them.
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I mean yes if you have 200k and a couple years to spare US is a great option. The vast majority of people do not have the money to use Paley or Rozbruch. Then you recommend Parihar who only operates on a few people per year. So what's left for everyone else (Which is the vast majority)? A lot of gray area, risks and alleged "butchers"
Yes there might not be many long term complications for those select few doctors. But the ladder is where the majority of the surgeries are done for cosmetics on not only this website but in general statistically, and the ladder is where most of the complications occur.
Doing LL no matter what at 5'11"-6'0" is a stupid idea. I understand height neurosis and peoples needs but it's still objectively stupid as you will have zero discrimination in society due to your height since you're statistically taller than over 70% of people in North America and closer to 80% on a worldwide scale.
What I will agree with is that satisfying our brain with some form of contentment is extremely important to hold onto ones sanity. If LL is one of those things that needs to be done at those heights (For whatever reason, probably botched facts and propaganda that's been given to the person considering in, and usually underlying psychological problems that are undiagnosed) Then I suppose it will help them.
cost with dr. pilli (external tibias): 20k euros
cost with dr. parihar (external tibias): $15k
cost with dr. rozbruch with aetna ppo or united healthcare insurance (internal femurs): $55-70k
cost with dr. paley (internal femurs): $95k
cost with dr. mahboubian when doing tsf: $55k
dr. birkholtz is another good option but idk about the conditions in South Africa.
Dr. Parihar's main focus is deformity correction but he does accept cll pts. i have emailed him before and he said we can book a consultation.
your main focus should be to save up for a US surgeon no matter how long it might take you. You also have the option of taking out loans. No other country can match US healthcare and medical staff.
-every male in my family is over 6' with some over 6'3. I have always been the short one in my family so I guess it depends on the origin of your height neurosis and your perspective. I was a great HS football player but didnt get a single scholarship offer due to my height. But my brother is now playing football on scholarship even though i had better stats. He got scholarships due to being 6'2 and good, yet I didn't get a single offer from a division 1 school. This is just one example of the origin of my height neurosis. Obviously, i can't play football anymore with or without LL, but I want my negative mindset of my height and myself to change. This has nothing to do with girls. I actually have a loving gf for 3 years now and girls never been the problem.
--> Also, I will be attending medical school in ~1.5 years.
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There is no discrimination to average to tall height LLers for me, there is a discrimimation between men who need LL and men who are lunatics and while their height is ok they are willing to do a so risky and expensive surgery to fix somethimg that is not a problem and can accept that they may be ugly or something else that causes them problems and not their height.
That said, I believe that men 5.10 and under have reasons to do LL (the shorter the more significant the reasons) but anything more than that is not accepted, whatever the reason this man says he has.
LL is for men that have a realistic problem in height, not for men who are not ok with their height for no realistic reason. This called madness and of course I am against madmen.