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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: .. on April 23, 2018, 04:27:10 AM

Title: I still don't understand how they actually break our bones.
Post by: .. on April 23, 2018, 04:27:10 AM
Will our tibias really get separated and there will be a real gap in the middle or it's still intact but just broken.

I'm just trying to figure out if it's as scary as I pictured it to be.

Secondly, is there any way the legs will be nearly as strong as the original for athletic purposes? There must be some way to overcome this.

And how old is the oldest to do this surgery that's still worth it?

By the way, Paley Institute seems like a fun place to be.
Title: Re: I still don't understand how they actually break our bones.
Post by: Android on April 23, 2018, 06:25:37 AM
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Will our tibias really get separated and there will be a real gap in the middle or it's still intact but just broken.

Complete osteotomy, meaning it's a clean break all the way across. Distraction osteogenesis wouldn't work so well otherwise. Here's a non-gory animated video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCb99B3xjHM). Here's a bloody one on a real patient (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Hmq4WEpjA) for those that are OK with it.

Not as scary as it used to be, since we used to use saws. But hey, you're under general anesthesia anyway.

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is there any way the legs will be nearly as strong as the original for athletic purposes?

Sure, but give it two years for complete consolidation. You'll have to rebuild muscle as well, so you'll definitely feel less athletic for a good while, all the while aging as well. Ask your athletic friends who have broken their bones.

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how old is the oldest to do this surgery that's still worth it?

Very subjective. I've seen plenty of men over 60 getting hair transplants. Many are married and retired, but they wanted it for themselves. CLL is obviously more invasive, but the message is that you do it for you. We've got guys on the forum that's over 40 doing CLL and they seem happy.
Title: Re: I still don't understand how they actually break our bones.
Post by: .. on April 23, 2018, 11:21:45 AM
Complete osteotomy, meaning it's a clean break all the way across. Distraction osteogenesis wouldn't work so well otherwise. Here's a non-gory animated video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCb99B3xjHM). Here's a bloody one on a real patient (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Hmq4WEpjA) for those that are OK with it.

Not as scary as it used to be, since we used to use saws. But hey, you're under general anesthesia anyway.

Sure, but give it two years for complete consolidation. You'll have to rebuild muscle as well, so you'll definitely feel less athletic for a good while, all the while aging as well. Ask your athletic friends who have broken their bones.

Very subjective. I've seen plenty of men over 60 getting hair transplants. Many are married and retired, but they wanted it for themselves. CLL is obviously more invasive, but the message is that you do it for you. We've got guys on the forum that's over 40 doing CLL and they seem happy.

Damn man, you can't compare leg lengthening with hair transplants, they involves very different levels of risks.

I was just wondering if 30 would be too late, I'd feel like 10 years late. Right now I am 25 but I still don't have money unless I borrow it.

By the way, if it's possible to recover the legs fully, then why can't we be an athlete after LL?
Title: Re: I still don't understand how they actually break our bones.
Post by: Body Builder on April 23, 2018, 11:54:00 AM
Damn man, you can't compare leg lengthening with hair transplants, they involves very different levels of risks.

I was just wondering if 30 would be too late, I'd feel like 10 years late. Right now I am 25 but I still don't have money unless I borrow it.

By the way, if it's possible to recover the legs fully, then why can't we be an athlete after LL?
We talked again and again about recovery after LL. And you are not a newbie here, so stop asking questions in irrelevant topics that have been answered.
Bone will recover full in most patients but not soft tissues who stretch a lot and lose some of their abilities and of course not biomechanics which are altered forever after LL.
Thats why noone can become a professional athlete after LL.
Title: Re: I still don't understand how they actually break our bones.
Post by: .. on April 23, 2018, 01:17:17 PM
We talked again and again about recovery after LL. And you are not a newbie here, so stop asking questions in irrelevant topics that have been answered.
Bone will recover full in most patients but not soft tissues who stretch a lot and lose some of their abilities and of course not biomechanics which are altered forever after LL.
Thats why noone can become a professional athlete after LL.

Android says it could be as strong as original above. So it's not.
Title: Re: I still don't understand how they actually break our bones.
Post by: Body Builder on April 23, 2018, 02:55:47 PM
Android says it could be as strong as original above. So it's not.
I don't know what Android or anyone else who haven't done LL say.
I am a veteran and noone who have done LL say they are completely back to normal and the more you lengthen the more the difference.

And after all, these questions are for the relevant topic, not for any topic you create for no reason.
Title: Re: I still don't understand how they actually break our bones.
Post by: .. on April 23, 2018, 04:30:51 PM
I don't know what Android or anyone else who haven't done LL say.
I am a veteran and noone who have done LL say they are completely back to normal and the more you lengthen the more the difference.

And after all, these questions are for the relevant topic, not for any topic you create for no reason.

How is this no relevant?

It's created certainly for a reason. I'm contemplating LL and would like to know more how it's like.
Title: Re: I still don't understand how they actually break our bones.
Post by: myloginacct on April 23, 2018, 04:40:22 PM
Android says it could be as strong as original above. So it's not.

You phrased your original sentence as "nearly as strong". Not "as strong".

The bone should eventually fully reconsolidate (becoming nearly/as strong as before), but your soft tissues and even blood vessels are stretched, and your biomechanics are altered. Even the LLers who reported a "full recovery" say your endurance, stamina and explosiveness are weaker after LL.
Title: Re: I still don't understand how they actually break our bones.
Post by: .. on April 23, 2018, 05:00:01 PM
You phrased your original sentence as "nearly as strong". Not "as strong".

The bone should eventually fully reconsolidate (becoming nearly/as strong as before), but your soft tissues and even blood vessels are stretched, and your biomechanics are altered. Even the LLers who reported a "full recovery" say your endurance, stamina and explosiveness are weaker after LL.

Maybe I can put up with endurance, stamina and explosiveness as on the street fight is over in a few seconds. I just need the legs to give me a strong balance but I will be using my hands to strike.
Title: Re: I still don't understand how they actually break our bones.
Post by: Android on April 23, 2018, 05:41:08 PM
You phrased your original sentence as "nearly as strong". Not "as strong".

Yup, exactly why I repeated it with a question, as a confirmation that "nearly" is good enough. Didn't imply 100%, and like I said, you're not picking up right where you left off either.

Bruce, you got triggered over the comparison to hair transplants, perhaps you didn't finish reading. I specifically mentioned that CLL is much more invasive, but the message is similar: only you can determine the worthiness of your own cosmetic surgery. Reminds me of this article (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/dec/15/gender.uk) I read eons ago:

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The vast majority of patients are job- and spouse-hunters in their 20s, but teenagers are also among the patients and the oldest person to have the operation was a 52-year-old woman. "She was very wealthy and had everything else she wanted, so she decided to fix her height which had always been a concern for her," explained one of the staff.

As Body Builder said, I wondered why you were asking such basic questions, as you've been here for quite a while. I just felt like entertaining this thread since it was refreshing of you to post questions about LL.
Title: Re: I still don't understand how they actually break our bones.
Post by: .. on April 23, 2018, 08:54:30 PM
Yup, exactly why I repeated it with a question, as a confirmation that "nearly" is good enough. Didn't imply 100%, and like I said, you're not picking up right where you left off either.

Bruce, you got triggered over the comparison to hair transplants, perhaps you didn't finish reading. I specifically mentioned that CLL is much more invasive, but the message is similar: only you can determine the worthiness of your own cosmetic surgery. Reminds me of this article (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/dec/15/gender.uk) I read eons ago:

As Body Builder said, I wondered why you were asking such basic questions, as you've been here for quite a while. I just felt like entertaining this thread since it was refreshing of you to post questions about LL.

Very inspiring.

I wasn't sure if it was basic. But it's been a while since I really thought about LL eventhough I come here pretty often.
Title: Re: I still don't understand how they actually break our bones.
Post by: .. on April 27, 2018, 09:34:33 PM
I don't care what you say. But I'll do LL and still be the best fighter in the world. My legs will even get stronger than initially