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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: Dirona on February 01, 2021, 08:38:17 AM
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I guess the height dysphoria term was used to include people with severe dissatisfaction with height...Earlier, only people who did this surgery were those who felt their original height was a crippling issue and that is how I guess the term was coined..Now a days, even people who have short height as a mild insecurity are undergoing this surgery..What happens as a result of using height dysphoria over and over again is that it can transform your mild insecurity into a dysphoria..Especially if it comes from a renowned surgeons such as Paley and his psychologist Windisch..Once that happens, you would want to get the surgery no matter what..I guess people should NOT let that happen to them..Any guy who is below 5 foot 7 in the West would have some sort of height insecurity as long as he is not totally delusional..There are people who are OK with that mild insecurity..But once you feed their mind with terms such as dysphoria, media articles like -taller people earn more money, youtube videos like taller people get girls etc, their insecurity gets transformed to dysphoria..It is amazing what factors cause insecurity..I am NOT against the surgery by any means..What I am totally for is that people do a HONEST self-analysis on how short height affects them rather than basing it on anything else..
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It's not just the media though, we see preferential treatment for taller guys all the time in real life too. I do agree that being on this forum makes you more obsessed with height and needing the surgery, but I also think that most who end up getting the surgery fix their height dysphoria as well.
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Yeah..It is multi-factorial
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When I walk on the street, I see tall people (around 6'1'') and I want to be like them.
It's just a personal preference. I don't want to be short.
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That is obvious...Same when I look at someone with Ferrari etc..The point is LL comes at a price and it is not small..The question is whether it is worth it to pay the price at all..So when you use terms like height dysphoria, your pendulum strongly swings in the direction of getting LL
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That is obvious...Same when I look at someone with Ferrari etc..The point is LL comes at a price and it is not small..The question is whether it is worth it to pay the price at all..So when you use terms like height dysphoria, your pendulum strongly swings in the direction of getting LL
I am not interested in luxury, I'm interested in being taller because I like it. It's "height dysphoria"? I don't care, I only care that I am not living in a body that I like, while other people are around 6'1'' tall.
If something goes wrong, bad luck, but at least I would have tried to fix my life, but most of CLL complications are solvable. You can have problems doing extreme sports, driving a Ferrari fast, riding a motorbike... If you want to live 100% safe, travel only by train or walking.
CLL is not very dangerous, there are complications, but most of them can be solved:
https://online.boneandjoint.org.uk/doi/full/10.1302/2046-3758.97.BJR-2019-0379.R1
It seems that lengthening a single leg due a discrepancy is 100% OK and lengthening two is "oh, don't do it, hell no, you will cripple yourself for life, your pain will be excruciating your entire life...", sometimes said by > 6' people who don't know anything about CLL.
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LL is dangerous and there are multiple complications that often occur after surgery and lenghtening.
Thats why normal doctors dont do these type of surgeries. But when people want to kill themselves over their height then its better to get this surgery. So if u cant cope and want to rope then get LL. After all its just in your head of feeling superior to other men due to height. ;)
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i do feel it is a dympton of a mental condition - the issue is manifested as being height related
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symptom
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Height dysphoria could be a mental condition..Height insecurity is not..Insecurity can get translated to dysphoria based on your sensitivity and the things you focus on or the content you consume IMO..
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if u proceed to surgery it is more than insecurity - though we don't want to get too semantic over it - if you perceive it affects your life it can be a serious life impacting issue
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It is not just mere perception that it impacts your life though. It does impact. Tall people are usually treated better. The question is whether you would shrug it off or get LL to fix it.
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no - i have already said we don't want to get too semantic over kabels - if u perceive/feel it affects your life then what affects your life is not your height but your mental self image etc - thus possibly a mental condition which would not be solved by breaking your legs
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no - i have already said we don't want to get too semantic over kabels - if u perceive/feel it affects your life then what affects your life is not your height but your mental self image etc - thus possibly a mental condition which would not be solved by breaking your legs
Then why did u break ur legs when u were already 175cm?
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I'm not entirely sure tbh. Most guys who end up being happy with their results long term were already otherwise very successful, fulfilled people. It's just this 1 nagging thing.
From a strictly medical sense, yes it is probably a mental health disorder/some degree of BDD.
But where do you draw the line? If a guy is super successful/attractive/social and has plenty of money to do CLL and he wants to do so, doesn't it almost become the "correct" thing to do? AKA it is clear that being taller is better. It doesn't matter how you cut it.
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re azaghul - i fully acknowledge i have a mental condition, i am, unfortunately, aware of it, it has stopped me living a full life in many, many ways - the height ie 175 does not matter - i think when u actually do this and come out the other side it is even more apparant - i broke my legs on the 'hope' it would solve issues but it did not really work out like that - your innate character dies not change etc.
being raller is not at all nesessarliy better - if one is happy and healthy within onself etc -
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it is a horrible condition at its worst
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Some people expect the surgery to change their personality
All it does is "possibly" remove the neurosis and thoughts in your head of insecurity.
Nothing else changes. Even baseline happiness is not increased, with the exception of slight gain from not having to think about height (possibly)
Some people think they will be Chad for some reason. Turn from introvert to extrovert. Be more likeable. Just lol.
It is a sad thingy in my opinion if go through all this and come out still as insecure. And that is why it is important to keep expectations in check before hand. Have no expectations but simply the possibility of removing neurosis.
And if it don't remove neurosis, that is the worst outcome ever
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yes indeed - it can only lessen the neurosis - a neurosis by definition needs some form of psycological/psychiatric treatment - one can often turn to substance misuse too in order to self-medicate a condition often brought on by some form of trauma etc leading to other issues too, job losses, thwarted ambition, fear of intimacy - i wore HUGE lifts even at 175 - crazy - yet i was v well liked by others etc - v sad!!
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it is also barely researched in the menral health field
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Some people expect the surgery to change their personality
All it does is "possibly" remove the neurosis and thoughts in your head of insecurity.
Nothing else changes. Even baseline happiness is not increased, with the exception of slight gain from not having to think about height (possibly)
Some people think they will be Chad for some reason. Turn from introvert to extrovert. Be more likeable. Just lol.
It is a sad thingy in my opinion if go through all this and come out still as insecure. And that is why it is important to keep expectations in check before hand. Have no expectations but simply the possibility of removing neurosis.
And if it don't remove neurosis, that is the worst outcome ever
If all this is a possibility why are u even considering ll? Isnt the main point of it to get rid of height neurosis/insecurity? Anyone doing it for aesthetics and sacrificing their athletic ability plus possible complications is stupid.
All u gotta do is wear lifts for 2-3 inches and if u feel better/ur insecurity is gone then it isnt just a possibility but certain that u will not be insecure and will forget the thought about height.
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u can't wear lifts and take a girl home for example - ur reminded every step u take etc
the patient has a genuine belief that the surgery will cure it
u are on this site urself!!
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If all this is a possibility why are u even considering ll? Isnt the main point of it to get rid of height neurosis/insecurity? Anyone doing it for aesthetics and sacrificing their athletic ability plus possible complications is stupid.
All u gotta do is wear lifts for 2-3 inches and if u feel better/ur insecurity is gone then it isnt just a possibility but certain that u will not be insecure and will forget the thought about height.
It's a possibility because while most people do CURE neurosis, some don't. Just an observation.vast majority do significantly reduce their neurosis. I'm just pointint out that while it's likely, it's not a guarantee
Lifts are so toxic to your mental health at the end of the day. Anyone who has obseesively worn lifts to fight height dysphoria knows what this means.
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Idk as a veteran of mental illness one thing that bugs me the most is the assumption that people do this for others. For attractiveness, jobs, relationship issues and yes maybe it‘s true for some (maybe even most?) people but definitely not for me. I just do it for myself bc I am trapped in the wrong body (figure of speech) and suicide is the less preferable option. It‘s that simple. People try to gatekeep all the time and try to find reasons or whatever (play pseudo-psychologist), which I dislike. You have to see through the eyes of someone experiencing this to truly understand them, it‘s okay if you don‘t but talking like you know why they feel this way or what’s going in their head is just terrible. One reason I quit social interaction and counseling in the first place.
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Idk as a veteran of mental illness one thing that bugs me the most is the assumption that people do this for others. For attractiveness, jobs, relationship issues and yes maybe it‘s true for some (maybe even most?) people but definitely not for me. I just do it for myself bc I am trapped in the wrong body (figure of speech) and suicide is the less preferable option. It‘s that simple. People try to gatekeep all the time and try to find reasons or whatever (play pseudo-psychologist), which I dislike. You have to see through the eyes of someone experiencing this to truly understand them, it‘s okay if you don‘t but talking like you know why they feel this way or what’s going in their head is just terrible. One reason I quit social interaction and counseling in the first place.
You can do LL for whatever reason you want, even if you are 6'5 or 4'11, mentally unstable or fine. Ignore the noise and do your own thing. Do not bother talking to those that want to argue with you about the validity of your own personal struggle.
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Idk as a veteran of mental illness one thing that bugs me the most is the assumption that people do this for others. For attractiveness, jobs, relationship issues and yes maybe it‘s true for some (maybe even most?) people but definitely not for me. I just do it for myself bc I am trapped in the wrong body (figure of speech) and suicide is the less preferable option. It‘s that simple. People try to gatekeep all the time and try to find reasons or whatever (play pseudo-psychologist), which I dislike. You have to see through the eyes of someone experiencing this to truly understand them, it‘s okay if you don‘t but talking like you know why they feel this way or what’s going in their head is just terrible. One reason I quit social interaction and counseling in the first place.
i guess its like with transgender. hard to understand unless you experience it urself.
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Idk as a veteran of mental illness one thing that bugs me the most is the assumption that people do this for others. For attractiveness, jobs, relationship issues and yes maybe it‘s true for some (maybe even most?) people but definitely not for me. I just do it for myself bc I am trapped in the wrong body (figure of speech) and suicide is the less preferable option. It‘s that simple. People try to gatekeep all the time and try to find reasons or whatever (play pseudo-psychologist), which I dislike. You have to see through the eyes of someone experiencing this to truly understand them, it‘s okay if you don‘t but talking like you know why they feel this way or what’s going in their head is just terrible. One reason I quit social interaction and counseling in the first place.
If you were The only human in The world you wouldn’t do LL. It’s all due to The comparison with others.
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be interesting to find out what % of postets actually proceed to surgery!!?? - most of the nonsense is spoken by those...
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be interesting to find out what % of postets actually proceed to surgery!!?? - most of the nonsense is spoken by those...
No more than 20% I bet. In regards to the overall numbers I would say upwards of 80 percent of LLers do not know of this forum. This causes many of the users here to disregard outside numbers and stats.
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You can do LL for whatever reason you want, even if you are 6'5 or 4'11, mentally unstable or fine. Ignore the noise and do your own thing. Do not bother talking to those that want to argue with you about the validity of your own personal struggle.
My words! Absolutely agree 8)
i guess its like with transgender. hard to understand unless you experience it urself.
Yea it‘s quite similar in a way and I sometimes use that comparison to explain it to family members.
If you were The only human in The world you wouldn’t do LL. It’s all due to The comparison with others.
If I were the only human existing there wouldn’t be any surgery. If I was the only human I wouldn‘t even know anything. eg to take the transgender comparison into account here, a trans person wouldn‘t even know there was another gender if they would be the only person on Earth. Maybe they’d knew that something is wrong but so would I (besides that you are the only person alive, there literally is a lot wrong psychologically then lol)
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i would say 1% :o
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"Height dysphoria" is a term of art folks use for different purposes. "Dysphoria" means "unease" or "dissatisfaction" so height dysphoria is nothing more than a term to describe a generalized state of unhappiness about one's height.
The term started appearing in medicine because folks would attempt to justify health care plan coverage for limb lengthening based on a perceived mental health condition they called "height dysphoria".
However, "height dysphoria" in and of itself is NOT a mental health condition. If a person's unhappiness with his or her height begins to unreasonably impair daily activity; then, a diagnosable mental health condition may exist.
However again, that condition would likely be anxiety, or depression, or even obsessive-compulsive disorder, etc. depending on presentation of symptoms. The distinction is that "height unhappiness" is a symptom; not a mental health diagnosis.
When addressing symptoms, it is important to treat the underlying causes that give rise to the symptoms rather than just the symptoms.
Some will say "what underlying cause? My underlying cause is that I am short."
You may be short; however, it is not your height that is causing your unhappiness. Instead, it is how you feel about your height--you feel less powerful, less attractive, less worthy, etc.
Many wrongly conclude that "if only I was 'X' amount taller, then, I would be more powerful, attractive, worthy, etc."
Instead, you should find your power, attractiveness, worth, etc. in the good things that exist about you. Until you do, your height (or hair color, or weight, or acne) will not matter much.
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i like your view. a lot of truth in your statement :-X
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If I were the only human existing there wouldn’t be any surgery. If I was the only human I wouldn‘t even know anything. eg to take the transgender comparison into account here, a trans person wouldn‘t even know there was another gender if they would be the only person on Earth. Maybe they’d knew that something is wrong but so would I (besides that you are the only person alive, there literally is a lot wrong psychologically then lol)
If The average height was 1,50 you would never consider this surgery. You want to be taller because there are people taller than you.
That’s The only reason why you feel to be not tall enough.
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body dysmorphic disorder - in this case manifested in unhappiness re height - IS a mental health condition, and may be closely related to other mental health conditions
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i never had it at 16 for example - can be brought on by trauma experienced as a young adult...
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body dysmorphic disorder - in this case manifested in unhappiness re height - IS a mental health condition, and may be closely related to other mental health conditions
Yes that’s The point. I was going to clarify The fact there’s a edge where it is a mental disease, nothing that can be solved with surgery. Permanent dissatisfaction.
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yes but u said earlier if people were not taller u would not want this surgery - not correct - it is a mental health condition unrelated to other people etc
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This thread just speaks and speaks and speaks the truth. Love it.
It is very much like transgender. I used to look at trans people in disgust, calling them crazy for wanting a surgery to invert their penis or boob job for men or fake penis. Here I am now, wanting to break my legs for a few inches- I went on Reddit and read one person's testimony about how society was totally against their existence and invalidated their problems of being trans... Effectively dehumanizing them and saying trans wasn't a real thing. Sounded just like heightism in this society, we are called crazy for wanting LL and just get the typical comments "Just be confident!" Etc etc you know the deal. Forever shifted my view on trans folks and plastic surgery in general for ANY reason.
Yeah and it is a mental problem. If I was the last man on Earth, for sure I wouldn't give a hoot about my height. It definitely has alot to do with comparing to other humans, as it is with all body image disorders. California hit it on the spot, it is how I "feel about my height", and not really the height itself. Now don't misunderstand me, if I got physical height gain, I would change that certain emotions even if a little. It's just more important that if I were to do LL, a proper mindset change would be needed before entering surgery. Cannot go in with expectations, and also cannot go in as a complete mess of a human (no job, anxiety, bitter and mean, don't treat parents good). In the end of the day, the physical height gain has no guarantees for any life improvement- but if you go into it knowing it's simply a body insecurity, you may be rewarded massively in mentality when a surgery.. fixes said body image insecurity.
I personally had height neurosis since a very young age in grade school, where I was aware I was short. However, life was fine in these years. In highschool, I finally became dysphoric about my height. Still fighting the battle today.
I hope this can be a safe space where no matter what term we use height dysphoria height neurosis, it doesn't matter, don't judge others, and we all know what "height neurosis" really feels like regardless of if it's a mental condition or not.
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yes but u said earlier if people were not taller u would not want this surgery - not correct - it is a mental health condition unrelated to other people etc
No it’s correct because the starting point is always the comparison with other people, then the problem in a mental disease can go totally detached by the reality and the society but the beginning is due to the social perception. Most common example is anorexia.
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body dysmorphic disorder - in this case manifested in unhappiness re height - IS a mental health condition, and may be closely related to other mental health conditions
This is a common problem when lay people discuss medicine and psychology--a misunderstanding of information.
"Body dysmorphic disorder" is now (per DSM V) classified as an obsessive-compulsive disorder. To be diagnosed, one must present with a preoccupation with one or more nonexistent or slight defects or flaws in their physical appearance.
BDD is NOT dissatisfaction with one's height. BDD is obsessing about a physical characteristic (like height) when rational folks would not get bent around the axle about the same condition.
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no - the starting point for these conditions is the mirror - and the end point is the mirror
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you now seem to be contradicting yourself ?
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to calf2 was my reply - of course rational folks would not understand - that is the point of mental ill health, peculiar to the individual, outside rationality etc
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when i had the surgery and VOLUNTARILY BROKE MY LEGS most patients felt 'not good enough' etc - that is the crux of it - pure madness...
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just read ghkid - i agree this should be a safe space - u just need to read some of the toxic comments and people goin 11cm on tibs using spanners! to gauge the mental health of many here - i wish to god i didn't have it & i'm not even religious!!
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If The average height was 1,50 you would never consider this surgery. You want to be taller because there are people taller than you.
That’s The only reason why you feel to be not tall enough.
I am unhappy with my physical appearance regardless of what the average height is.
Someone above said it can be classified as OCD or anxiety etc. in terms of official diagnosis. whatever, it doesn't make a difference how you call it. I see it like this, whatever is the symptom and what is the cause, I am determined to live with it for a lifetime. I can either try to make it better via risky surgery or being unable to live a normal life, depressed forever. It's a dilemma? yea but it's just the way it is. creating thought experience about made up worlds doesn't change anything.
Yes that’s The point. I was going to clarify The fact there’s a edge where it is a mental disease, nothing that can be solved with surgery. Permanent dissatisfaction.
This is unhealthily biased. We are individuals and so is the impact of a cosmetic surgery. For some it doesn't do anything for some it does. LL has a big impact according to post-OP evaluations but I am not gonna quote that here now, my point is you are for sure not the person to decide what's right for others.
i never had it at 16 for example - can be brought on by trauma experienced as a young adult...
I had it all my life. even in kindergarden where no one had any clue what height really means. (i can remember the unpleasant feeling of my limbs being "awful"). so i guess there is a genetic component.
just read ghkid - i agree this should be a safe space - u just need to read some of the toxic comments and people goin 11cm on tibs using spanners! to gauge the mental health of many here - i wish to god i didn't have it & i'm not even religious!!
This place really doesn't seem comfortable. ppl pulling each others down, which absolutely sucks. I guess I won't drop any diary here when I do it. (Some of you seem cool though, don't get me wrong on that!)
but pseudo-psychologist sh*t(people don't know others yet make toxic assumptions) pisses me off a lot, especially because the fact that I have been at many different therapists etc in the last years and talking in this case is absolutely useless.
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difference to trans people is, they usually comfort each other, motivate them, etc. here ;people that want to change their bodies/ leg length hate on each other xD. sucks fr
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i think with all the great advances in the world - the human condition and mental ill health continue to resist and defy!!!
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i think with all the great advances in the world - the human condition and mental ill health continue to resist and defy!!!
mental health is far behind though. its not like we can cure all illnesses (in general) as of 2021 lol. I mean 50 years ago there still was electro shock as a valid therapy option. and nowadays most psychiatrics pump depressed people etc full with toxic waste that turns them derealized and destroys their sexuality. in 300 years we will see how neuroanatomy on a molecular level influences and creates mental illness, my believe.
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Regular therapists are gimmick. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is the real . Stop seeing random ass therapists
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xD the only therapy for most people on here is a bullet to the head xD
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xD the only therapy for most people on here is a bullet to the head xD
true ;D
Regular therapists are gimmick. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy is the real . Stop seeing random ass therapists
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy lol thats a meme bro
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Whatever makes you happy I guess. Trying to give real, legit, advice, but all I hear is "I wanna suicide, you're a meme, blah blah". Awesome. I'm out
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Whatever makes you happy I guess. Trying to give real, legit, advice, but all I hear is "I wanna suicide, you're a meme, blah blah". Awesome. I'm out
for real thats nice from you but i don't need any advice from people that dont know me, just wanted to add something to the thread initially but some toxic ass comments here are too much for my nerves, thats why i am kinda pissy here. nothing personal. I appreciate it though and dw I ain't gonna suicide lol... I guess I should be out here too.
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difference to trans people is, they usually comfort each other, motivate them, etc. here ;people that want to change their bodies/ leg length hate on each other xD. sucks fr
Why do you think that people here hate each other?
Except from some 1.85 weirdos who feel bad about their heights or some madmen who want to do 3cm on femurs and 2cm on tibias to not "ruin" their proportions who are just clowms, I don't think that anyone hate someone else here most of the times.
Maybe your way of thinking is a little toxic.
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mental health is far behind though. its not like we can cure all illnesses (in general) as of 2021 lol. I mean 50 years ago there still was electro shock as a valid therapy option. and nowadays most psychiatrics pump depressed people etc full with toxic waste that turns them derealized and destroys their sxxuality. in 300 years we will see how neuroanatomy on a molecular level influences and creates mental illness, my believe.
that was my point - u word it better!!