Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: maxheight35 on October 16, 2022, 02:27:41 PM
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Hello Everyone.
Just had surgery with Dr. Becker last week, he’s taking over Dr. Betz practice.
First impression of Becker was a surprise….He’s tall, good looking, great hair, and has great style with his clothes. Definitely the “ideal” look for a man.
Anyway, flew from LA (Los Angeles, CA) to get the surgery. I had consults with almost all of the doctors in the US and with so many limiting factors (mobility, comfort, height in CM) I figured the best of the best is in Germany.
My goal is to do both tibias and femurs, and decided to go with tibias first.
Current height: 160cm (5 ft 3 inches)
First Goal: 170cm (5 ft 7 inches)
Since I have a lot of time on my hands and will be spending the next 30 days here in Germany, I created a new IG account that documents all the progress.
You can follow the IG here:
https://www.instagram.com/maxheight35/ (https://www.instagram.com/maxheight35/)
Feel free to ask any questions here and I’ll keep this post updated throughout the journey.
Thanks!
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Hi maxheight35,
congrats to this decision!
- Who was the surgeon? Becker or Betz or both?
- How many LL surgeries has Dr. Becker done so far?
- How long did the surgery take?
- How old are you? 35?
- How is your current pain level?
- Do you have knee pain?
- Which drugs do you take at the moment?
All the best!
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Congrats to this decision!
Why did you chose tibias first?
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Thank you man. It took me 3 years to make a decision.
- Both did the surgery, however my main point of contract since day 1 was Becker
- Not sure how many he’s done, but I know he’s been working with Betz doing surgery’s for the last 3-4 years. My X-rays came out really nice. Pics are on the IG
- Surgery was about 4.5 hours
- Yes, I am 35 years old.
- Pain level isn’t that bad… it’s more of a tension / annoying feeling. Pain meds are helping
- No knee pain. But there’s some stiffness. It feels good to bend the legs every now and then.
- The only “drugs” I’m taking are the pain meds. It’s mostly supplements like vitamin D, magnesium, calcium, iron, anti-blood clot, and there’s an optional sleeping pill for the evening. i just posted a story / highlight of the exact supplements I’m taking everyday
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Thank you! The tibias always looked very small and bothered me, so I figure go with these first and see how it looks. It will take me approx 6 months to hit 10cm. Lots of work ahead lol.
Congrats to this decision!
Why did you chose tibias first?
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Thank you man. It took me 3 years to make a decision.
- Both did the surgery, however my main point of contract since day 1 was Becker
- Not sure how many he’s done, but I know he’s been working with Betz doing surgery’s for the last 3-4 years. My X-rays came out really nice. Pics are on the IG
- Surgery was about 4.5 hours
- Yes, I am 35 years old.
- Pain level isn’t that bad… it’s more of a tension / annoying feeling. Pain meds are helping
- No knee pain. But there’s some stiffness. It feels good to bend the legs every now and then.
- The only “drugs” I’m taking are the pain meds. It’s mostly supplements like vitamin D, magnesium, calcium, iron, anti-blood clot, and there’s an optional sleeping pill for the evening. i just posted a story / highlight of the exact supplements I’m taking everyday
Awesome man!
What's the name of the anti-blood clot drug?
Have you already done first steps? When will they remove these bottles of blood?
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Thank you! The tibias always looked very small and bothered me, so I figure go with these first and see how it looks. It will take me approx 6 months to hit 10cm. Lots of work ahead lol.
What did the docs told you regarding your target of 10 cm on tibia. I thought betz only recommend to do max 8 cm on tibia…
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I don’t know the name. It’s the little pink one in the story post. First steps were yesterday, no video of that… it was very hard. However - extremely grateful to even be able to walk few days after surgery!!!
Awesome man!
What's the name of the anti-blood clot drug?
Have you already done first steps? When will they remove these bottles of blood?
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I actually never spoke to Betz or met him. All my dealings were with Becker. Betz was there for the surgery but I was so wacked out don’t remember lol.
Anyway, Becker said it’s a case by case basis. If you stretch with routine and stay consistent - anything is achievable. Also by doing less “clicks” per day on tibia, it reduces tension massively… but it takes longer to achieve the results (6 months in my case).
What did the docs told you regarding your target of 10 cm on tibia. I thought betz only recommend to do max 8 cm on tibia…
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New Update
Instagram story posted:
blood bottles removed and a view of how my legs look so far
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Congrats, I did surgery with them on femurs back in June. You're saying Betz is no longer operating at all and is almost retired?
Hello Everyone.
Just had surgery with Dr. Becker last week, he’s taking over Dr. Betz practice.
First impression of Becker was a surprise….He’s tall, good looking, great hair, and has great style with his clothes. Definitely the “ideal” look for a man.
Anyway, flew from LA (Los Angeles, CA) to get the surgery. I had consults with almost all of the doctors in the US and with so many limiting factors (mobility, comfort, height in CM) I figured the best of the best is in Germany.
My goal is to do both tibias and femurs, and decided to go with tibias first.
Current height: 160cm (5 ft 3 inches)
First Goal: 170cm (5 ft 7 inches)
Since I have a lot of time on my hands and will be spending the next 30 days here in Germany, I created a new IG account that documents all the progress.
You can follow the IG here:
https://www.instagram.com/maxheight35/ (https://www.instagram.com/maxheight35/)
Feel free to ask any questions here and I’ll keep this post updated throughout the journey.
Thanks!
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I don’t know the name. It’s the little pink one in the story post. First steps were yesterday, no video of that… it was very hard. However - extremely grateful to even be able to walk few days after surgery!!!
Xarelto
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Anyway, flew from LA (Los Angeles, CA) to get the surgery. I had consults with almost all of the doctors in the US and with so many limiting factors (mobility, comfort, height in CM) I figured the best of the best is in Germany.
Feel free to ask any questions here and I’ll keep this post updated throughout the journey.
Thanks!
I'm under the impression that betz nail for tibias is currently the only weight bearing internal tibia option, am I understanding right? Was that a factor in the above?
Dr. Giotikas told us that gnail can't be used for tibia so all the internal tibia patients here in Athens (er well all 2 of them) are all using precise. What are your thoughts on the pros and cons of betz nail for tibias vs precise 2 for tibias?
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I'm under the impression that betz nail for tibias is currently the only weight bearing internal tibia option, am I understanding right? Was that a factor in the above?
Dr. Giotikas told us that gnail can't be used for tibia so all the internal tibia patients here in Athens (er well all 2 of them) are all using precise. What are your thoughts on the pros and cons of betz nail for tibias vs precise 2 for tibias?
he walks without crutches 3-4 weeks post op. Even in public. Tibia is so much smoother than femur. I think that fact alone outweighs precice by a lot tbh. Weightbearing is extremely important.
(Also clicking on tibia is easy so i dont see any cons)
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tibias = more chances of non union
precice = you can reverse the nail if slow union
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Hello Everyone.
Just had surgery with Dr. Becker last week, he’s taking over Dr. Betz practice.
First impression of Becker was a surprise….He’s tall, good looking, great hair, and has great style with his clothes. Definitely the “ideal” look for a man.
Anyway, flew from LA (Los Angeles, CA) to get the surgery. I had consults with almost all of the doctors in the US and with so many limiting factors (mobility, comfort, height in CM) I figured the best of the best is in Germany.
My goal is to do both tibias and femurs, and decided to go with tibias first.
Current height: 160cm (5 ft 3 inches)
First Goal: 170cm (5 ft 7 inches)
Since I have a lot of time on my hands and will be spending the next 30 days here in Germany, I created a new IG account that documents all the progress.
You can follow the IG here:
https://www.instagram.com/maxheight35/ (https://www.instagram.com/maxheight35/)
Feel free to ask any questions here and I’ll keep this post updated throughout the journey.
Thanks!
I am planning to do 1 inch(2.5 cm) tibia with this. How do you do the clicking for the tibia?
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tibias = more chances of non union
precice = you can reverse the nail if slow union
Good point
I am planning to do 1 inch(2.5 cm) tibia with this. How do you do the clicking for the tibia?
Please don’t do this surgery for one inch. When I was at 1 inch I noticed 0.0 height change and was quite depressed but the other patients I have spoken to said it’s normal. You really only start to notice at around 2 inches. Around 5cm with tibia is pretty safe and easy. If you really only want 2-3cm you could just get an initial gap of that length with trauma nail and let it heal, no struggles with clicking or lengthening. (Not sure if that’s possible for tibia but for femur it is). Anyways 1 inch LL is wasted money time pain and massive trauma to the body for nothing in my opinion but you probably have your reasons so I am not judging. Just my 2cents
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Please don’t do this surgery for one inch. When I was at 1 inch I noticed 0.0 height change and was quite depressed but the other patients I have spoken to said it’s normal. You really only start to notice at around 2 inches. Around 5cm with tibia is pretty safe and easy. If you really only want 2-3cm you could just get an initial gap of that length with trauma nail and let it heal, no struggles with clicking or lengthening. (Not sure if that’s possible for tibia but for femur it is). Anyways 1 inch LL is wasted money time pain and massive trauma to the body for nothing in my opinion but you probably have your reasons so I am not judging. Just my 2cents
Already did my femurs so doing 2 inches in the tibia might mess up proportions that's why I only want to do 1 inch.
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Yeah that’s what I was saying earlier… with all the options out there, the Betz bone just felt like the best move overall. Seems like the best nail, great price, mobility, etc etc
I'm under the impression that betz nail for tibias is currently the only weight bearing internal tibia option, am I understanding right? Was that a factor in the above?
Dr. Giotikas told us that gnail can't be used for tibia so all the internal tibia patients here in Athens (er well all 2 of them) are all using precise. What are your thoughts on the pros and cons of betz nail for tibias vs precise 2 for tibias?
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I agree with @reallostsoul on this. If you do another surgery, go for at least 8cm / 3 inches on the tibias.
I am planning to do 1 inch(2.5 cm) tibia with this. How do you do the clicking for the tibia?
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Yeah that’s what I was saying earlier… with all the options out there, the Betz bone just felt like the best move overall. Seems like the best nail, great price, mobility, etc etc
Thanks!!!!
How much did you pay overall for internal tibias with betz bone? Roughly
Wonder how it compares to spending 6 months in Athens doing precise 2 tibias, not sure but I bet some people would be interested in comparing the two, I might try to make a chart comparing the two if I think I understand the differences enough at some point
seems like:
precise 2 in athens- cheaper? not sure, but no clicking and you can reverse lengthening if non union is a problem
Betz bone tibias in Germany- Need to spend 3 months only in Germany? not sure. have to do clicking. Wonder if there is anything else to know?
Thanks!!!
Some rough math:
https://www.betzinstitute.com/en/patients-info.html
LOWER LEG LENGTHENING
Bilateral lengthening
of both lower legs
€ 56,300
Lengthenings incl. 2 weeks of hospital stay
Two lengthening nails (price is valid for Betzbone; other nails are available upon request) operation on both sides, anesthesia, physiotherapy, medication and all postoperative adjustments and examinations
Boarding and lodging of companions is not included in the price, but it's possible for companion boarding and lodging to be arranged
ACCOMMODATION/BOARDING
Parkhotel Weiskirchen
Everything under one roof - that is the motto of the four-star deluxe "Parkhotel Weiskirchen
Elkes House (House Liborius)
The House Liborius offers boarding for guests who prefer the comfort of a hotel combined with the personal touch of a shared house. As a privately-held house, we offer both. Hotel service at a high level
https://www.athensbjr.com/cost-pricing-of-cosmetic-limb-lengthening/
So it seems like the main thing is to figure out the costs of the Germany hotels
Tibia lengthening with PRECISE-2 nails: 42400 Euro
56,300-42400 = 13900
ok so about a 14,000 Euro difference in price
and then have to take into account the living costs in Germany (3 months in Germany vs 6 months in Athens I assume? Not sure how long someone should stay in either case) and how important the reversibility of precise 2 matters
But I'm guessing so in total maybe Germany is about 25,000 euros more expensive for internal tibia than Athens? including living costs? I'm not sure how much more expensive Germany is than Athens
my goal is 6cm, I think that is the limit Dr. Giotikas recommends so I don't think I'll be going for 7cm tibias, just 6
I'm doing gnail for femurs right now, and I think that gnail doesn't work for tibias which confuses me (I have to think that dr. guichet's (unrelated) tibia patients in France must be using a clicking device so idk..). I'm aware that I mention 3 doctors in this post (two of which start w/ G) and that this is confusing/probably stupid on my part to do
Though I wonder if I'm already doing femur with Dr. Giotikas if its better for me to stick with him, I've heard some doctors are not willing to do rod removal for other doctor's patients
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OP you are 160cm doing 10cm on tibias?! Paley and the other top docs recommend 5cm tibias and 8cm on femurs max. I get you have a really low start height but this seems like you are asking for long term problems.
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he walks without crutches 3-4 weeks post op. Even in public. Tibia is so much smoother than femur. I think that fact alone outweighs precice by a lot tbh. Weightbearing is extremely important.
(Also clicking on tibia is easy so i dont see any cons)
Do you speak from personal experience? How is tibia, "smoother?"
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Do you speak from personal experience? How is tibia, "smoother?"
Lol I would define less pain much less stretching required less meds more mobility (being able to walk without crutches many months sooner) as “smoother”. Plus never duckass hip swing or wide legs… The start and surgery is tougher for tibia but that’s about it. Yea I speak from empirical observations and experience.
Already did my femurs so doing 2 inches in the tibia might mess up proportions that's why I only want to do 1 inch.
Proportions irl are very irrelevant except if you only do one segment for a large amount maybe. Man 2 inch femur no one can detect. No matter the starting ratio. I would not do tibia just for theoretical ratios. Tibia is a tougher surgery too so it‘s just unnecessary trauma. if you want extra height I think you can get 2 or 3 inches in tibia while looking good. Don‘t worry. If you want you can dm me a picture of your proportions or so and I can give you my opinion.
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did you do Betz Tibias LL?
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Overall I paid around 56k. Not including travel of course but even if you add all those other expenses it’s less than all other options.
I’m here for next 4 weeks and I think the first 2 weeks are included in the stay. And yeah man, can’t speak for others but so far my experience with Becker and his team are amazing. I met the patient emotional support lady; Tanja… and she’s a bright ball of positivity. Really needed this!
Thanks!!!!
How much did you pay overall for internal tibias with betz bone? Roughly
Wonder how it compares to spending 6 months in Athens doing precise 2 tibias, not sure but I bet some people would be interested in comparing the two, I might try to make a chart comparing the two if I think I understand the differences enough at some point
seems like:
precise 2 in athens- cheaper? not sure, but no clicking and you can reverse lengthening if non union is a problem
Betz bone tibias in Germany- Need to spend 3 months only in Germany? not sure. have to do clicking. Wonder if there is anything else to know?
Thanks!!!
Some rough math:
https://www.betzinstitute.com/en/patients-info.html
LOWER LEG LENGTHENING
Bilateral lengthening
of both lower legs
€ 56,300
Lengthenings incl. 2 weeks of hospital stay
Two lengthening nails (price is valid for Betzbone; other nails are available upon request) operation on both sides, anesthesia, physiotherapy, medication and all postoperative adjustments and examinations
Boarding and lodging of companions is not included in the price, but it's possible for companion boarding and lodging to be arranged
ACCOMMODATION/BOARDING
Parkhotel Weiskirchen
Everything under one roof - that is the motto of the four-star deluxe "Parkhotel Weiskirchen
Elkes House (House Liborius)
The House Liborius offers boarding for guests who prefer the comfort of a hotel combined with the personal touch of a shared house. As a privately-held house, we offer both. Hotel service at a high level
https://www.athensbjr.com/cost-pricing-of-cosmetic-limb-lengthening/
So it seems like the main thing is to figure out the costs of the Germany hotels
Tibia lengthening with PRECISE-2 nails: 42400 Euro
56,300-42400 = 13900
ok so about a 14,000 Euro difference in price
and then have to take into account the living costs in Germany (3 months in Germany vs 6 months in Athens I assume? Not sure how long someone should stay in either case) and how important the reversibility of precise 2 matters
But I'm guessing so in total maybe Germany is about 25,000 euros more expensive for internal tibia than Athens? including living costs? I'm not sure how much more expensive Germany is than Athens
my goal is 6cm, I think that is the limit Dr. Giotikas recommends so I don't think I'll be going for 7cm tibias, just 6
I'm doing gnail for femurs right now, and I think that gnail doesn't work for tibias which confuses me (I have to think that dr. guichet's (unrelated) tibia patients in France must be using a clicking device so idk..). I'm aware that I mention 3 doctors in this post (two of which start w/ G) and that this is confusing/probably stupid on my part to do
Though I wonder if I'm already doing femur with Dr. Giotikas if its better for me to stick with him, I've heard some doctors are not willing to do rod removal for other doctor's patients
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Hey man. Different doctors and their devices are completely different than what Betz / Becker are doing here.
I mean look what happened with the stride nail: recalled. And look, they had to go back in time and use the precise nail that’s not even fully weight barring.
As an American born and raised, I love my country and the people, but the doctors for this specific surgery just aren’t up to date with the technology.
Look at American made cars for an example and then compare them to the German made Mercedes Benz or the Porsche… just not comparable!
OP you are 160cm doing 10cm on tibias?! Paley and the other top docs recommend 5cm tibias and 8cm on femurs max. I get you have a really low start height but this seems like you are asking for long term problems.
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Massive Update !!!
I left the hospital and checked into the clinic where I’ll be staying for the next 4 weeks and WOW!
Watch the video on my Instagram story. I also added it to the Week 2 story highlights.
More pics and videos of the clinic are coming as I start exploring.
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great updates!
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As an American born and raised, I love my country and the people, but the doctors for this specific surgery just aren’t up to date with the technology.
You mentioned you met with top doctors in the US. Can you share who did you meet and what's your impression vs Betz? I imagine they have their reasons for sticking with precise.
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Overall I paid around 56k. Not including travel of course but even if you add all those other expenses it’s less than all other options.
ty!!
That's really interesting, so it comes out to be cheaper with Betzbone tibias than with Precise 2 tibias in Athens?
Tibia lengthening with PRECISE-2 nails: 42400 Euro
56,300-42400 = 13900
So the surgery itself seems to be about 14k Euros more expensive for Betzbone tibias compared to precise 2 tibias in Athens
But then have to take into account the recovery time / hotel costs in Athens and I'm not sure how the math works out. The montaza handicap room in Athens is like 62 euros per day or something so I'd ballpark the total monthly costs in Athens to be like 2500 Euros per month at least when factoring in other costs. Probably realistically closer to 3000 Euros per month from other misc expenses (transportation and what not). I'm under the impression that for precise 2 tibias you might need like 6 months at least to walk
The other x factor I wonder about is that for betzbone tibias even if you can walk after just 1 month in some cases (?is that right? can walk in 1 month with betzbone tibias or am I mistaken?) if it is a good idea to still stay in Germany to (increases costs to) be closer to Dr. Becker in case something goes wrong, not sure, what do they recommend? I do know it maybe takes like 6 months or something for the bones to consolidate but I'm not sure if that should translate into staying in Germany longer
I do understand that the weight bearing nature of betzbone for tibia probably increases the quality of life alot and that can be hard to put a price on
However, I've also heard from a current precise 2 patient in Athens that if someone is light enough but have big enough bones to use the biggest precise 2 nail, they might end up falling within the weight limits anyway. I was able to get the 13mm nail (different kind of nail though) for my femurs, I sort of wonder if my tibias might also have a large enough diameter
I don't yet have a good sense for the recovery times, what is your impression of the living costs and recovery times for betzbone tibias vs other options you were considering?
ty!!!!!!
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Thank you :)
great updates!
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There’s not that many in the US, and without me naming names you can do a simple google search and you’ll see who’s available.
The reason they went back to precise is because the stride was recalled due to technical difficulties.
As stated in the original post, I never met Betz. My dealings have been strictly with Becker!
You mentioned you met with top doctors in the US. Can you share who did you meet and what's your impression vs Betz? I imagine they have their reasons for sticking with precise.
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But yeah man, Becker is a cool guy. Very straight forward and easy to talk to. I felt very comfortable with doing the surgery after meeting with him. And after surgery he’s came by everyday to check up on me and make sure I had everything I needed.
The after-surgery support so far has been great. I’m actually shocked with how much attention you receive after the fact. Makes you feel better emotionally which is VIP.
There’s not that many in the US, and without me naming names you can do a simple google search and you’ll see who’s available.
The reason they went back to precise is because the stride was recalled due to technical difficulties.
As stated in the original post, I never met Betz. My dealings have been strictly with Becker!
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I feel like with this surgery you can’t just focus on price but also the quality of the nail. And even then doing the surgery here is more cost effective than most places. Plus the people are really cool as well. I’ve met some other patients here at the hotel / clinic and everyone is really happy with a strong positive mental attitude!
My advice is to schedule a meeting with Becker snd go visit with him and his team. Check out the hotel and physical therapy clinic. You’ll be surprised man!
ty!!
That's really interesting, so it comes out to be cheaper with Betzbone tibias than with Precise 2 tibias in Athens?
Tibia lengthening with PRECISE-2 nails: 42400 Euro
56,300-42400 = 13900
So the surgery itself seems to be about 14k Euros more expensive for Betzbone tibias compared to precise 2 tibias in Athens
But then have to take into account the recovery time / hotel costs in Athens and I'm not sure how the math works out. The montaza handicap room in Athens is like 62 euros per day or something so I'd ballpark the total monthly costs in Athens to be like 2500 Euros per month at least when factoring in other costs. Probably realistically closer to 3000 Euros per month from other misc expenses (transportation and what not). I'm under the impression that for precise 2 tibias you might need like 6 months at least to walk
The other x factor I wonder about is that for betzbone tibias even if you can walk after just 1 month in some cases (?is that right? can walk in 1 month with betzbone tibias or am I mistaken?) if it is a good idea to still stay in Germany to (increases costs to) be closer to Dr. Becker in case something goes wrong, not sure, what do they recommend? I do know it maybe takes like 6 months or something for the bones to consolidate but I'm not sure if that should translate into staying in Germany longer
I do understand that the weight bearing nature of betzbone for tibia probably increases the quality of life alot and that can be hard to put a price on
However, I've also heard from a current precise 2 patient in Athens that if someone is light enough but have big enough bones to use the biggest precise 2 nail, they might end up falling within the weight limits anyway. I was able to get the 13mm nail (different kind of nail though) for my femurs, I sort of wonder if my tibias might also have a large enough diameter
I don't yet have a good sense for the recovery times, what is your impression of the living costs and recovery times for betzbone tibias vs other options you were considering?
ty!!!!!!
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Does becker have a website? where can we find more infor about him like education and experience?
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Does becker have a website? where can we find more infor about him like education and experience?
From my understanding, he is a plastic surgeon that had a hair transplant clinic. He was trained by Dr. Betz but he himself never formally completed an orthopedic residency program and did not do orthopedic surgeries until he began his tutelage with Betz. But I could be wrong. If I am right, in the US he wouldn’t be allowed to do these surgeries. He is very nice and attentive though and knows his medicine.
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From my understanding, he is a plastic surgeon that had a hair transplant clinic. He was trained by Dr. Betz but he himself never formally completed an orthopedic residency program and did not do orthopedic surgeries until he began his tutelage with Betz. But I could be wrong. If I am right, in the US he wouldn’t be allowed to do these surgeries.
are you serious bro
this did not concern you?
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From my understanding, he is a plastic surgeon that had a hair transplant clinic. He was trained by Dr. Betz but he himself never formally completed an orthopedic residency program and did not do orthopedic surgeries until he began his tutelage with Betz. But I could be wrong. If I am right, in the US he wouldn’t be allowed to do these surgeries. He is very nice and attentive though and knows his medicine.
lol I think is some turkish level shiittt.
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From my understanding, he is a plastic surgeon that had a hair transplant clinic. He was trained by Dr. Betz but he himself never formally completed an orthopedic residency program and did not do orthopedic surgeries until he began his tutelage with Betz. But I could be wrong. If I am right, in the US he wouldn’t be allowed to do these surgeries. He is very nice and attentive though and knows his medicine.
Sorry man but thats wrong. He is a qualified plastic surgeon + orthopedist and trauma surgeon and in addition he holds the German degree "Facharzt" in those two fields which means that he must have been practicing this expertise for at least 5-6 years in a clinic. I personally live in Germany and the combination of both expertise (plastic surgeon and orthopedist) are very rare. Here you go for his CV https://www.aerzte-am-alten-zollhof.de/dr-med-axel-becker
Therefore, I don´t think that he would not be allowed practicing in the USA...
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From my understanding, he is a plastic surgeon that had a hair transplant clinic. He was trained by Dr. Betz but he himself never formally completed an orthopedic residency program and did not do orthopedic surgeries until he began his tutelage with Betz. But I could be wrong. If I am right, in the US he wouldn’t be allowed to do these surgeries. He is very nice and attentive though and knows his medicine.
Oh so Dr. Becker can do LL surgery, then a hair transplant on someone, then plastic surgery on their face all in one place? I am sort of seeing his strategy, he is making himself an all in one location to make people look better I guess and I can see why he tries to take care of his own appearance, its good for his business
I can't imagine getting plastic surgery on the face yet since I'm still young/don't notice anything yet but I could see how someone wealthy could sort of want to go to him for an all in one solution (especially tibias to be able to walk that fast since its weight bearing and probably less pain than femurs)
I believe that in Athens they recommended waiting at least a 1 month gap between LL surgery and hair transplants (though I would probably recommend do a slightly bigger time gap and to do hair transplant before LL, I felt the hair transplant recovery for FUT at least was uncomfortable especially the first two weeks or so, swelling, wound oozing)
Kinda blows my mind ok so a short guy with a receding hairline and a really big nose bump could walk in to his office and then plan all in one office to get the things done...
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I feel like with this surgery you can’t just focus on price but also the quality of the nail. And even then doing the surgery here is more cost effective than most places. Plus the people are really cool as well. I’ve met some other patients here at the hotel / clinic and everyone is really happy with a strong positive mental attitude!
My advice is to schedule a meeting with Becker snd go visit with him and his team. Check out the hotel and physical therapy clinic. You’ll be surprised man!
Right I mean I have no doubt I would be impressed. In Athens, there is sort of an understanding that the buildings/city/pavement/roads/some other things will be sort of old and damaged and we get our x-rays back as CD's but none of us have CD players (a certain late 1990s or early 2000s vibe, though we do get to see them on a screen at the doctor's office). I have to think that Germany will look alot more modern and be a better experience overall for most people if they are willing to pay a bit more
But I just don't yet know how to weigh:
- betzbone tibias -> much better quality of life probably to be able to walk much faster
versus
precise 2 -> can go in reverse and shorten if there is a problem but you're stuck in a wheelchair for a very long time
- better price
And the other thing I'm not sure about is this: I might want (possibly unnecessarily) to stay near the doctor's area until consolidation is complete (not sure how important that is or not) and everything is fine. But that would incur alot of living costs and I haven't thought about Athens vs Germany for this
And then the other things I'm trying to figure out are:
- why aren't the USA doctors using weight bearing tibia nails?
- what are the physical/medical reasons behind the time Dr. Assayag said that stryde had more non union than expected/is this true of other weight bearing tibia nails like betzbone?
The other x factor is that if you are light enough and also your bones are big enough, I heard from an internal tibia patient in Athens that the biggest precise 2 nail can support more weight than some might expect and it might be OK for very lightweight/thin people
I sort of wonder then if Dr. Becker is an option for fatter people. You can ask ozboy-- I don't look fat, but I am pretty sure that I am the heaviest patient in Athens right now at like 80 kg
I feel like right now for femurs that clicking weight bearing nails are probably are best option until stryde comes back, but for tibias I am not completely sure.
precise vs clicking weight bearing nails seems to be one of the biggest decisions LL patients need to make and I wonder why this isn't talked about more
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Sorry man but thats wrong. He is a qualified plastic surgeon + orthopedist and trauma surgeon and in addition he holds the German degree "Facharzt" in those two fields which means that he must have been practicing this expertise for at least 5-6 years in a clinic. I personally live in Germany and the combination of both expertise (plastic surgeon and orthopedist) are very rare. Here you go for his CV https://www.aerzte-am-alten-zollhof.de/dr-med-axel-becker
Therefore, I don´t think that he would not be allowed practicing in the USA...
Yea idk how people can seriously think someone can be allowed to do such a surgery in Germany without qualification wtf. for USA you need to have a different medical license obviously (USML) but I don't know why everybody thinks practicing healthcare in the US is the "top" and more advanced than European or whatever. seems like bias to me, especially considering medical training takes as many years in both countries (Germany at least)
I believe that in Athens they recommended waiting at least a 1 month gap between LL surgery and hair transplants (though I would probably recommend do a slightly bigger time gap and to do hair transplant before LL, I felt the hair transplant recovery for FUT at least was uncomfortable especially the first two weeks or so, swelling, wound oozing)
having LL + other plastic surgery at the same time is impossible.
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- betzbone tibias -> much better quality of life probably to be able to walk much faster
versus
precise 2 -> can go in reverse and shorten if there is a problem but you're stuck in a wheelchair for a very long time
- better price
And the other thing I'm not sure about is this: I might want (possibly unnecessarily) to stay near the doctor's area until consolidation is complete (not sure how important that is or not) and everything is fine. But that would incur alot of living costs and I haven't thought about Athens vs Germany for this
And then the other things I'm trying to figure out are:
- why aren't the USA doctors using weight bearing tibia nails?
I had similar thoughts before doing it so I can give my personal experience for that one.
- being in a wheelchair is killer. I think both mentally and for physical recovery you can't take it that long. I think for up to 6 cm in femur or so it's doable but if you want more than that you just can't sufficiently stretch, you can't walk, etc. Walking is a very important factor. Right now I could not imagine doing this without walking.
- If you really want this I think Athens is better because Mooswald rehab costs 170€/day if you want to stay longer, so it gets expenisve. Yes it has benefits but it also has downsides. I think most people severely underestimate the mental side of LL. It will be very hard no matter where you'll do it. Personally I found that being back home reliefs me a lot psychologically and gives me more motivation than if I would have stayed. If you take your training, PT, stretching, etc serious, like you should be if you decide to do it I think doing it at home after you got the hang out of it is no problem.
- different philosophies perhaps or the sole bureaucratic reason that they didn't get the weightbearing mechanical nails over and approved in the US.
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And then the other things I'm trying to figure out are:
- why aren't the USA doctors using weight bearing tibia nails?
Its quite easy.... They don´t use it because there is no other weight bearing tibia nail on the market as long as stryde is not coming back.
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Its quite easy.... They don´t use it because there is no other weight bearing tibia nail on the market as long as stryde is not coming back.
Betzbone is weightbearing and gnail potentially too (potentially because i dont know a surgeon who uses it for tibia rn but its possible)Remember we are writing under a diary of tibia LL patient with betzbone and he walks without crutches 1 month post op 8)
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Right I mean I have no doubt I would be impressed. In Athens, there is sort of an understanding that the buildings/city/pavement/roads/some other things will be sort of old and damaged and we get our x-rays back as CD's but none of us have CD players (a certain late 1990s or early 2000s vibe, though we do get to see them on a screen at the doctor's office). I have to think that Germany will look alot more modern and be a better experience overall for most people if they are willing to pay a bit more
But I just don't yet know how to weigh:
- betzbone tibias -> much better quality of life probably to be able to walk much faster
versus
precise 2 -> can go in reverse and shorten if there is a problem but you're stuck in a wheelchair for a very long time
- better price
And the other thing I'm not sure about is this: I might want (possibly unnecessarily) to stay near the doctor's area until consolidation is complete (not sure how important that is or not) and everything is fine. But that would incur alot of living costs and I haven't thought about Athens vs Germany for this
And then the other things I'm trying to figure out are:
- why aren't the USA doctors using weight bearing tibia nails?
- what are the physical/medical reasons behind the time Dr. Assayag said that stryde had more non union than expected/is this true of other weight bearing tibia nails like betzbone?
The other x factor is that if you are light enough and also your bones are big enough, I heard from an internal tibia patient in Athens that the biggest precise 2 nail can support more weight than some might expect and it might be OK for very lightweight/thin people
I sort of wonder then if Dr. Becker is an option for fatter people. You can ask ozboy-- I don't look fat, but I am pretty sure that I am the heaviest patient in Athens right now at like 80 kg
I feel like right now for femurs that clicking weight bearing nails are probably are best option until stryde comes back, but for tibias I am not completely sure.
precise vs clicking weight bearing nails seems to be one of the biggest decisions LL patients need to make and I wonder why this isn't talked about more
Debiprasad in his latest interview said a new nail precice 4 can come by end of 2023 which will have same weight bearing capacity as stryde.
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Debiprasad in his latest interview said a new nail precice 4 can come by end of 2023 which will have same weight bearing capacity as stryde.
Thank you!!!!!!
Wait precise 4 is coming out? Dr. Giotikas uses precise 2, so does that mean there exists a precise 3 already?
Or is this a windows 10 sort of thing where microsoft skipped from Windows 8 to Windows 10 to distance themselves from the hate that windows 8 got
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There’s not that many in the US, and without me naming names you can do a simple google search and you’ll see who’s available.
The reason they went back to precise is because the stride was recalled due to technical difficulties.
As stated in the original post, I never met Betz. My dealings have been strictly with Becker!
I'm in the US and reached out to top doctors as well (but only met Rozbruch). I'm just surprised you met with them if you don't want to do precise since it's well known that's what they're doing right now. The main reason you went with Betz is weightbearing? Or there is something else?
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Thank you!!!!!!
Wait precise 4 is coming out? Dr. Giotikas uses precise 2, so does that mean there exists a precise 3 already?
Or is this a windows 10 sort of thing where microsoft skipped from Windows 8 to Windows 10 to distance themselves from the hate that windows 8 got
Precice 3 = stryde….
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It’s not just about the nail / device. It’s the overall process. Imagine getting surgery by someone who you don’t feel comfortable with. Also, what about after the surgery? You just go straight home and that’s it - Good Luck lengthening, call us if any issues… lol.
Btw guys check my recent stories and the highlight “Therapy Clinic” - this place is SICK.
I'm in the US and reached out to top doctors as well (but only met Rozbruch). I'm just surprised you met with them if you don't want to do precise since it's well known that's what they're doing right now. The main reason you went with Betz is weightbearing? Or there is something else?
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yeah great insta stories!!!!
Did you ask Dr. Becker how many LL surgeries he has already performend?
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It’s not just about the nail / device. It’s the overall process. Imagine getting surgery by someone who you don’t feel comfortable with. Also, what about after the surgery? You just go straight home and that’s it - Good Luck lengthening, call us if any issues… lol.
Btw guys check my recent stories and the highlight “Therapy Clinic” - this place is SICK.
Man, you're living in heaven! What a great place to rest from the surgery! Will you stay there for the next 30 days? Is it included in your inital payment? If not, how much do you have to pay per night? Are there many LL patients at this resort?
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Precice 3 = stryde….
ok
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Im very happy I’m wrong as he was in the OR with betz doing my surgery. I don’t think Betz introduced him to me properly. Makes more sense now. And yes he would be allowed to do this in the US then.
Sorry man but thats wrong. He is a qualified plastic surgeon + orthopedist and trauma surgeon and in addition he holds the German degree "Facharzt" in those two fields which means that he must have been practicing this expertise for at least 5-6 years in a clinic. I personally live in Germany and the combination of both expertise (plastic surgeon and orthopedist) are very rare. Here you go for his CV https://www.aerzte-am-alten-zollhof.de/dr-med-axel-becker
Therefore, I don´t think that he would not be allowed practicing in the USA...
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Sorry man but thats wrong. He is a qualified plastic surgeon + orthopedist and trauma surgeon and in addition he holds the German degree "Facharzt" in those two fields which means that he must have been practicing this expertise for at least 5-6 years in a clinic. I personally live in Germany and the combination of both expertise (plastic surgeon and orthopedist) are very rare. Here you go for his CV https://www.aerzte-am-alten-zollhof.de/dr-med-axel-becker
Therefore, I don´t think that he would not be allowed practicing in the USA...
yes In Germany, specialisation degrees are not offered by universities but at the place of training. It looks like he got his ortho specialisation in Klinikum Offenburg in 2015. what is very weird is why he got into plastic surgery stuff after that. And how did Betz choose him particularly especially 3-4 years ago when he was quite involved in plastic surgery and had just not so many years of experience as an ortho specialist?
And is Becker buying out the institute? Or he is creating his own and just buying the rights to use the Betzbone nail?
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Thanks man. I don’t know how many surgery’s but I know he’s been training with Betz for the last 3-4 years. Check the X-Rays on the insta, the break is clean and it looks nice.
yeah great insta stories!!!!
Did you ask Dr. Becker how many LL surgeries he has already performend?
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Yeah it’s amazing. I’m shocked at how ‘luxury’ it is… I thought I was going to be sitting in a hospital for a few weeks with white walls all around wuth a very boring setting. It’s the complete opposite!
The first 2 weeks are included and then I’ll pay the second 2 weeks. My room is only 169 euro per night and you can see on the week 2 highlights how nice it is and how great my view is.
There’s a clinic side restaurant that serves breakfast / lunch / dinner and that’s included in your stay but there’s also the hotel side restaurant and bar. I’ve been eating the breakfast buffet on the hotel side every morning and then switching up the lunch and dinners on the clinic side.
Man, you're living in heaven! What a great place to rest from the surgery! Will you stay there for the next 30 days? Is it included in your inital payment? If not, how much do you have to pay per night? Are there many LL patients at this resort?
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It’s not just about the nail / device. It’s the overall process. Imagine getting surgery by someone who you don’t feel comfortable with. Also, what about after the surgery? You just go straight home and that’s it - Good Luck lengthening, call us if any issues… lol.
Got it, that makes more sense. What is so different with Betz post surgery?
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My room is only 169 euro per night
Great!! Only 169*30=5040 Euros per month
How long does the doctor recommend staying in the room? And how much in total do you plan to spend for the entire thing (surgery, room, food, etc)?
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@maxheight35
So the resort is called "Parkhotel Weiskirchen"? Do you have a perosnal care taker? Do they deliver the breakfast, lunch and dinner to your room?
What are your daily activities there?
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Really appreciate you documenting the process. I have surgery with him in January myself. Would you mind posting the incision wounds? Really curious about that. Thanks.
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Got it, that makes more sense. What is so different with Betz post surgery?
I know with most other docs, you get sent home a few days later with some instructions etc. Paley Institute I know makes you stay local during the whole duration of the lengthening process.
With Becker post surgery, he’s told me that moving forward it’s recommended for patients to stay at least 30 days post-op to get in a good routine. And tbh this place is amazing, I’m still mind blown at how luxury the hotel and clinic is. The staff here are very cool as well.
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Great!! Only 169*30=5040 Euros per month
How long does the doctor recommend staying in the room? And how much in total do you plan to spend for the entire thing (surgery, room, food, etc)?
The first 12 days are included in the price. So I’m only paying for the 16 days extra, plus the food from hotel etc. Overall with total cost I’m not sure yet because I flew first class from the US. That was like $9k, and tbh on the way home I will probably do that again. Having the extra leg room is nice.
I’m estimating total cost for me personally will be around $80-$90k. Totally worth it considering the circumstances with extra CM, mobility, the whole experience etc.
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@maxheight35
So the resort is called "Parkhotel Weiskirchen"? Do you have a perosnal care taker? Do they deliver the breakfast, lunch and dinner to your room?
What are your daily activities there?
It’s called Dorint hotel. Here’s the link:
https://hotel-freiburg.dorint.com/de/ (https://hotel-freiburg.dorint.com/de/)
No personal caretaker, but everyone here is super helpful and anything I’ve needed I’ve gotten.
Food can get delivered to the room via room service, but it’s kinda nice to go down and talk to the people. Helps time pass lol.
Daily activities are pretty routine now, here’s mine:
8am wake up
shower, meditate, stretch
9am
go down for breakfast buffet, hang there and chat with people for about an hour
10am
hit the clinic, 1 hour massage on legs, train
12pm noon
Lunch at clinic side, hang out with the other LL patients
1pm
back to the room, stretch, ice my legs 20 min rotation for 1 hour
3pm
back to the gym, train upper body, cardio bike session
5pm
dinner at hotel or clinic, I rotate
6pm
back to the room for an ice session
730pm
back to the gym for more stretching and exercise
830pm
back to room. if hungry I do room service
1030pm
read my books, sleep
It’s a cycle but it’s chill. This is my first week here as well so the routine might change up as time goes on but I feel busy and peace of mind with this current flow.
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Really appreciate you documenting the process. I have surgery with him in January myself. Would you mind posting the incision wounds? Really curious about that. Thanks.
For sure man. I was on this forum lurking for 3 years so it feels good to finally have the opportunity to share my experience.
Excited for your surgery in January. My advice is to do a lot of cardio in the meantime, and start doing yoga 2-3x a week. It will help you massively and give you a good advantage!
New story / highlight posted to the IG… the stockings finally came off and you can see my legs and the tape over the incisions!
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The first 12 days are included in the price. So I’m only paying for the 16 days extra, plus the food from hotel etc. Overall with total cost I’m not sure yet because I flew first class from the US. That was like $9k, and tbh on the way home I will probably do that again. Having the extra leg room is nice.
I’m estimating total cost for me personally will be around $80-$90k. Totally worth it considering the circumstances with extra CM, mobility, the whole experience etc.
That's awesome, I wonder if more patients will consider weight bearing clicking tibia nails if you have continue to have a great experience
I have a feeling that especially for certain high income individuals (like apotheosis of the old forum and probably you too based on the below quote), 90k USD could be totally worth it if it means they can get to work again faster --so weight bearing clicking tibia nails could be a great option for those kind of people
"because I flew first class from the US"
It feels like for the next few years, the forum users will have to make a decision (weight bearing clicking tibia nails vs precise for tibias) depending on what happens when the next precise nail comes out I guess. My fingers are crossed I'll be able to lose enough weight that I can weight bear with precise 2's biggest nail (heard a rumor that it might even be able to support 68 kg, not sure) but its not certain and there are dangers
I wonder if the USA did not allow clicking nails because of the risk of a patient doing too many clicks / disobeying the doctor. But then again, even externals patients can do that. I'm assuming with precise (vaguely remember Dr. Parihar mentioning this) that the doctor can pre-program a hard limit to stop a patient from going past 6cm or 7cm or something
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For sure man. I was on this forum lurking for 3 years so it feels good to finally have the opportunity to share my experience.
Excited for your surgery in January. My advice is to do a lot of cardio in the meantime, and start doing yoga 2-3x a week. It will help you massively and give you a good advantage!
New story / highlight posted to the IG… the stockings finally came off and you can see my legs and the tape over the incisions!
Great journal and IG. Much appreciated. Is there more than the 3 stories? See week 1, week 2, and therapy clinic but not new one showing legs no stockings. Good luck with the rest of your LL journey.
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Yes my cost is higher due to personal adjustments like first class but you don’t need to spend that much. The surgery itself for tibias is only 56k euro and everything else you can budget along the way.
If you want to do tibia I would recommend contacting Becker and doing a call with him. It’s fully weight bearing and you actually can’t do too many clicks because you’re maxed out 12cm with this nail and if the patient did aggressive clicking you would definitely feel the pain.
I start clicking tomorrow so will share my experience on this as well.
That's awesome, I wonder if more patients will consider weight bearing clicking tibia nails if you have continue to have a great experience
I have a feeling that especially for certain high income individuals (like apotheosis of the old forum and probably you too based on the below quote), 90k USD could be totally worth it if it means they can get to work again faster --so weight bearing clicking tibia nails could be a great option for those kind of people
"because I flew first class from the US"
It feels like for the next few years, the forum users will have to make a decision (weight bearing clicking tibia nails vs precise for tibias) depending on what happens when the next precise nail comes out I guess. My fingers are crossed I'll be able to lose enough weight that I can weight bear with precise 2's biggest nail (heard a rumor that it might even be able to support 68 kg, not sure) but its not certain and there are dangers
I wonder if the USA did not allow clicking nails because of the risk of a patient doing too many clicks / disobeying the doctor. But then again, even externals patients can do that. I'm assuming with precise (vaguely remember Dr. Parihar mentioning this) that the doctor can pre-program a hard limit to stop a patient from going past 6cm or 7cm or something
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Great journal and IG. Much appreciated. Is there more than the 3 stories? See week 1, week 2, and therapy clinic but not new one showing legs no stockings. Good luck with the rest of your LL journey.
Thank you man. I just posted an hour ago my legs without the stockings, it’s currently live on the main story. It’s also added to the week 2 highlights.
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if the patient did aggressive clicking you would definitely feel the pain.
Yeah I'm doing clicking with gnail femurs now and you're right for certain. For gnail femurs, 15 clicks = 1mm ish but it might be different for betzbone. I'm down to 10 clicks per day (about 0.66 mm per day for gnail) and my quality of life (less tightness, less pain) is muuuch better than when I had to do 15 clicks per day. I'm gonna ask Dr. Giotikas to let me go down to 9 clicks per day (0.6 mm per day) this week but I hope I'm not making an error (ex: premature consolidation risk) by wishing for something like this. I'm staying in Athens extra long. My bone growth has been pretty slow and I'm trying to do more crutches walking to improve it.
I've heard that clicking for tibias is not so bad so I have a feeling you'll have a good experience
Its nice you had this diary, I almost forgot about Betz and clicking weight bearing tibia nails before you posted but I actually wonder if betzbone tibias might be the least miserable/most enjoyable version of LL in terms of pain now that stryde is gone
I'm not sure what Guichet in France does for internal tibias
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I know with most other docs, you get sent home a few days later with some instructions etc. Paley Institute I know makes you stay local during the whole duration of the lengthening process.
With Becker post surgery, he’s told me that moving forward it’s recommended for patients to stay at least 30 days post-op to get in a good routine. And tbh this place is amazing, I’m still mind blown at how luxury the hotel and clinic is. The staff here are very cool as well.
Honestly it's still unclear to me what is so different with Becker but sounds like you made the right decision for you so that's great!
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Absolutely stretching and cardio daily right now. Thanks! Im excited. Rooting for you man.
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Yes my cost is higher due to personal adjustments like first class but you don’t need to spend that much. The surgery itself for tibias is only 56k euro and everything else you can budget along the way.
If you want to do tibia I would recommend contacting Becker and doing a call with him. It’s fully weight bearing and you actually can’t do too many clicks because you’re maxed out 12cm with this nail and if the patient did aggressive clicking you would definitely feel the pain.
I start clicking tomorrow so will share my experience on this as well.
When you were researching doctors, what are some factors that made you choose Betz over Guichet for internal clicking tibia nails? I'm assuming Guichet using the old albizzia or something for tibia, not sure but I'm assuming from the diary that you calculated that Betz should be cheaper overall?
I ask because it seems like once someone decides on a weight bearing clicking nail, betz vs Guichet is their natural next question
People have had issues w/ both I think (unicorn on this forum had problems w/ Guichet, there were more problems w/ Betz in the old forum)
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Absolutely stretching and cardio daily right now. Thanks! Im excited. Rooting for you man.
Awesome man, and thank you 🙏
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Love it
It’s called Dorint hotel. Here’s the link:
https://hotel-freiburg.dorint.com/de/ (https://hotel-freiburg.dorint.com/de/)
No personal caretaker, but everyone here is super helpful and anything I’ve needed I’ve gotten.
Food can get delivered to the room via room service, but it’s kinda nice to go down and talk to the people. Helps time pass lol.
Daily activities are pretty routine now, here’s mine:
8am wake up
shower, meditate, stretch
9am
go down for breakfast buffet, hang there and chat with people for about an hour
10am
hit the clinic, 1 hour massage on legs, train
12pm noon
Lunch at clinic side, hang out with the other LL patients
1pm
back to the room, stretch, ice my legs 20 min rotation for 1 hour
3pm
back to the gym, train upper body, cardio bike session
5pm
dinner at hotel or clinic, I rotate
6pm
back to the room for an ice session
730pm
back to the gym for more stretching and exercise
830pm
back to room. if hungry I do room service
1030pm
read my books, sleep
It’s a cycle but it’s chill. This is my first week here as well so the routine might change up as time goes on but I feel busy and peace of mind with this current flow.
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It’s called Dorint hotel. Here’s the link:
https://hotel-freiburg.dorint.com/de/ (https://hotel-freiburg.dorint.com/de/)
No personal caretaker, but everyone here is super helpful and anything I’ve needed I’ve gotten.
Food can get delivered to the room via room service, but it’s kinda nice to go down and talk to the people. Helps time pass lol.
Daily activities are pretty routine now, here’s mine:
8am wake up
shower, meditate, stretch
9am
go down for breakfast buffet, hang there and chat with people for about an hour
10am
hit the clinic, 1 hour massage on legs, train
12pm noon
Lunch at clinic side, hang out with the other LL patients
1pm
back to the room, stretch, ice my legs 20 min rotation for 1 hour
3pm
back to the gym, train upper body, cardio bike session
5pm
dinner at hotel or clinic, I rotate
6pm
back to the room for an ice session
730pm
back to the gym for more stretching and exercise
830pm
back to room. if hungry I do room service
1030pm
read my books, sleep
It’s a cycle but it’s chill. This is my first week here as well so the routine might change up as time goes on but I feel busy and peace of mind with this current flow.
How can you get your buffet breakfast as you cant walk without support?
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How can you get your buffet breakfast as you cant walk without support?
The hotel staff instantly offers to help which is really great!
Also, started clicking and wow it’s very weird and feels crazy lol. I setup a timer and will record every few days on each leg. Check the new IG story / highlight!
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The hotel looks awesome. I wasnt sure what to expect, now I'm really excited. Im doing the same as you with first class tickets. The process is intense, might as well make the whole experience as comfortable as possible.
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I was thinking for people who can afford first class tickets and want to do internal tibias, basically the decision is sort of between
Guichet vs Betz(Becker) vs Paley vs a doctor closest to you
And the issue with Paley is that your option is Precise 2 and the 5 cm limit that Dr. Paley recommends (unless you want to do 4 then rebreak and do 4 later) and the long amount of time in being in a wheelchair. Not sure if Paley lets people do more than 5cm on tibias in one go?
If you go with Guichet, well I don't know what option he does for internal tibias. The thing really confusing me is that in Athens, they told us that the G- nail cannot be used on tibias and they don't let us do that here.
However, on guichet's website, it says he uses G-nail on tibias
https://drguichet.com/article/11071/guichetr-nail/?lan=en
"The femur, tibia and humerus are the bones in which it is possible to use the nail Guichet®"
If you go with tibias Betzbone in Germany, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) its cheaper than Paley tibias or Guichet tibias and you can do more than 5cm on tibias on in one go if you want to attempt that. And you still get the ability to walk sooner and less pain than femurs probably.
And then there is the question of "should I even want to do more than 5-6 cm?" People using the clicking tibia nails seem to do more than 5 cm more often, but I do not understand the medical/biomechanical reasons why this is achieved more often with clicking tibia nails. I wonder if the ability to walk more early for them helps with ballerina foot alot ---but I wonder if that guess is incorrect and if there is a totally different reason
I sort see why Apotheosis of the old forum went with Betz. I can't remember what the controversy over Betz was years ago though
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The hotel looks awesome. I wasnt sure what to expect, now I'm really excited. Im doing the same as you with first class tickets. The process is intense, might as well make the whole experience as comfortable as possible.
Nice man. Yeah the hotel is great. And yes it’s very intense lol. You have to actually work to get the results you want!
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The hotel looks awesome. I wasnt sure what to expect, now I'm really excited. Im doing the same as you with first class tickets. The process is intense, might as well make the whole experience as comfortable as possible.
First class here as well, love it! My friend got drunk on champagne 🥂
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Yeah it’s the whole experience with Becker:
- up to 12cm although most tibia guys do only 10cm
- clicking mechanism
- full weight bearing nail
- luxury hotel / physical therapy clinic
- best price on the market! (56k euro for tibia)
- amazing post-op support.
Tanja is so cool, she comes by every few days and talks with me for like 30 minutes and just puts me in such a good positive mood.
I’d say if you have the time and can allocate 30 days in Germany for surgery and physical therapy, Becker is definitely the way to go!
I was thinking for people who can afford first class tickets and want to do internal tibias, basically the decision is sort of between
Guichet vs Betz(Becker) vs Paley vs a doctor closest to you
And the issue with Paley is that your option is Precise 2 and the 5 cm limit that Dr. Paley recommends (unless you want to do 4 then rebreak and do 4 later) and the long amount of time in being in a wheelchair. Not sure if Paley lets people do more than 5cm on tibias in one go?
If you go with Guichet, well I don't know what option he does for internal tibias. The thing really confusing me is that in Athens, they told us that the G- nail cannot be used on tibias and they don't let us do that here.
However, on guichet's website, it says he uses G-nail on tibias
https://drguichet.com/article/11071/guichetr-nail/?lan=en
"The femur, tibia and humerus are the bones in which it is possible to use the nail Guichet®"
If you go with tibias Betzbone in Germany, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) its cheaper than Paley tibias or Guichet tibias and you can do more than 5cm on tibias on in one go if you want to attempt that. And you still get the ability to walk sooner and less pain than femurs probably.
And then there is the question of "should I even want to do more than 5-6 cm?" People using the clicking tibia nails seem to do more than 5 cm more often, but I do not understand the medical/biomechanical reasons why this is achieved more often with clicking tibia nails. I wonder if the ability to walk more early for them helps with ballerina foot alot ---but I wonder if that guess is incorrect and if there is a totally different reason
I sort see why Apotheosis of the old forum went with Betz. I can't remember what the controversy over Betz was years ago though
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The hotel staff instantly offers to help which is really great!
Also, started clicking and wow it’s very weird and feels crazy lol. I setup a timer and will record every few days on each leg. Check the new IG story / highlight!
You’re very lucky with the hotel and physio. I was at the Krankenhaus hospital (with terrible food and grumpy staff, I had to hide my friend in the bathroom at times because they were nazis with visiting hours) and had to escape the hospital during the day and stay at the holiday inn because of the intense heat and lack of ac. Since I was already better and just sitting at the hospital one weekend (day 11 post op) where physio wasn’t coming neither betz or his assistant, I decided to just escape for one night to holiday inn and spend the night there entirely. I don’t think nursing noticed I was gone, came back the next day at noon, lol. It seems like their operation and support staff got way better in Freiburg. I never met Tanja or most of the names on here. My physio was a guy coming for 15 min to my hospital bed and that’s it. Half the time no one came. Freiburg seems to be a dream compared to st ingbert. No extra fisio outside the hospital was included in my price.
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What made you do tibias over femurs? Proportions? Are you doing both segments?
Nevermind I just read your intro, you're doing both. Thats going to be so wild (in a good way). Like standing on a ladder lol. Im just doing femurs.
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Oh man that sucks! Yeah Becker definitely has a proper setup! You ever think about doing another surgery? I might do femurs next year after I finish tibias.
You’re very lucky with the hotel and physio. I was at the Krankenhaus hospital (with terrible food and grumpy staff) and had to escape the hospital during the day and stay at the holiday inn because of the intense heat and lack of ac. Since I was already better and just sitting at the hospital one weekend (day 11 post op) where physio wasn’t coming neither betz or his assistant, I decided to just escape for one night to holiday inn and spend the night there entirely. I don’t think nursing noticed I was gone, came back the next day at noon, lol. It seems like their operation and support staff got way better in Freiburg. I never met Tanja or most of the names on here. My physio was a guy coming for 15 min to my hospital bed and that’s it. Half the time no one came. Freiburg seems to be a dream compared to st ingbert. No extra fisio outside the hospital was included in my price.
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What made you do tibias over femurs? Proportions? Are you doing both segments?
Nevermind I just read your intro, you're doing both. Thats going to be so wild (in a good way). Like standing on a ladder lol. Im just doing femurs.
LOL… yeah man. 5,3” is just too small for a guy in todays world and now that I feel comfortable with the doc, surgery, post op, etc I might as well get the max gains!
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I hear you, 5'3 is a tough life. You're making the right decision.
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- up to 12cm although most tibia guys do only 10cm
Did you meet people who have done 10cm on tibia? How's their recovery?
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Now I am really curious about the LL doctors who limit 5-6 on tibias cm, I'm curious what they think of people doing 7+ cm on tibias with clicking tibia nails + walking after 1 month. And vice versa, I wonder what Guichet and Becker think of precise patients usually doing 5-6 cm limits. What I don't understand is in Athens why they offer a clicking femur nail but not a weight bearing clicking tibia nail
I hope cyborg4life asks Dr. Paley or Dr. Giotikas or Dr. Becker etc about this in a future interview
Actually you know what, let's PM cyborg4life to ask if he can interview Dr. Becker, I'm gonna do that right now, I feel like he would do it if enough of us PM him
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=7753
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Did you meet people who have done 10cm on tibia? How's their recovery?
Haven’t met anyone yet. I’ve seen before and after pics and a long tibia looks really good.
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Yeah man you make a good point. Maybe the Betz nail has a specific design and mechanism that no other “clicking nail” has. I know he has patents and Becker said he will continue to use Betz nail.
Either way, I still believe it comes down to one’s own personal situation. Some people will work hard, stretch many hours, and really focus on the lengthening while others might be less motivated to do so which would limit the physicalities of the max CM possible.
Now I am really curious about the LL doctors who limit 5-6 on tibias cm, I'm curious what they think of people doing 7+ cm on tibias with clicking tibia nails + walking after 1 month. And vice versa, I wonder what Guichet and Becker think of precise patients usually doing 5-6 cm limits. What I don't understand is in Athens why they offer a clicking femur nail but not a weight bearing clicking tibia nail
I hope cyborg4life asks Dr. Paley or Dr. Giotikas or Dr. Becker etc about this in a future interview
Actually you know what, let's PM cyborg4life to ask if he can interview Dr. Becker, I'm gonna do that right now, I feel like he would do it if enough of us PM him
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?action=profile;u=7753
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- up to 12cm although most tibia guys do only 10cm
So right these numbers.. idk should we as a forum discuss this?
How do you @ someone in this forum, uh lets see, where are our fearless leaders?
@mediumdrinkofwater
@cyborg4life
idk should I not be trying to raise a discussion about 10cm tibias? Or more generally 6.5-10 cm tibias , some kind of discussion about that
It kinda feels like the elephant in the room, I kinda feel like we should talk about it
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We should but not in his personal diary.
So right these numbers.. idk should we as a forum discuss this?
How do you @ someone in this forum, uh lets see, where are our fearless leaders?
@mediumdrinkofwater
@cyborg4life
idk should I not be trying to raise a discussion about 10cm tibias? Or more generally 6.5-10 cm tibias , some kind of discussion about that
It kinda feels like the elephant in the room, I kinda feel like we should talk about it
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Yeah 10cm Tibia seems a bit much. Curious to see how it goes
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And to be fair, only statements / facts from other members who’ve actually lengthened at least 8cm on tibias should be allowed to comment. Otherwise everything else is just noise.
I’ll continue to share my journey and post pics / videos on the IG stories and highlight reels. Make sure you guys are following so you see the updates in real time.
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Haven’t met anyone yet. I’ve seen before and after pics and a long tibia looks really good.
Maybe you should before you go that far? I respect your motivation and the amount of work you put in obviously matters, but there are other factors to think about. I remember reading in this forum about multiple people who suffer complications and mentioned they should've stopped earlier, and also a top Dr. mentioning in a recent Cyborg4Life interview that he told a patient to stop lengthening but he kept going against his advice and it ended up in complications.
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Well this is why I chose Becker & the Betz nail in the first place - mobility, the tech, and the max potential CM. He did tell me that I should stop at 10cm on tibia, so I will definitely do that.
And yeah bro, follow the IG. I’m posting tons of content and will continue to do so throughout the whole process.
https://instagram.com/maxheight35 (https://instagram.com/maxheight35)
Maybe you should before you go that far? I respect your motivation and the amount of work you put in obviously matters, but there are other factors to think about. I remember reading in this forum about multiple people who suffer complications and mentioned they should've stopped earlier, and also a top Dr. mentioning in a recent Cyborg4Life interview that he told a patient to stop lengthening but he kept going against his advice and it ended up in complications.
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Well this is why I chose Becker & the Betz nail in the first place - mobility, the tech, and the max potential CM. He did tell me that I should stop at 10cm on tibia, so I will definitely do that.
And yeah bro, follow the IG. I’m posting tons of content and will continue to do so throughout the whole process.
https://instagram.com/maxheight35 (https://instagram.com/maxheight35)
Yeah man I'm following you! Maybe Becker can introduce you to other patients who have done 10cm? Or maybe someone doing it right now? Would love his input. I have a feeling the 5cm limit isn't a tech limit (mobility might be part but willing to bet it's not the main reason).
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Congrats on getting the surgery and nice to see that Dr Becker is your primary contact! He's awesome!
I did the surgery back in January and spoke a little with Dr Betz and have had some communication with him, but my primary contact has been with Dr Becker. He's fast to respond and seems to care a lot about his patients.
Did you have surgery in Freiburg at Praxisklinik 2000? Hospital was okay, but the food was awful!
Curious to see how you fare doing 10cm on tibias. I did 11,5cm on femurs and was done clicking four months ago, but because of my issues with duck ass I'm still not 100% of the crutches. Duck ass is close to being resolved (I'll do an update on my diary soon), but because I still have some -walking over distances more than a few 100 meters is very tiring on my lower back. My duck ass started at 7cm, so I'm curious to know if you will experience something similar doing tibias instead of femurs.
10cm is life changing, how much are you planing on doing on femurs? I stared at 165cm, so I was a litte taller than you are now and I did more length. I ended up at 177cm (or close enough to 5'10 that I can say I'm 5'10) and I no longer feel small. It is such a weird, awesome, great and strange feeling not feeling small anymore. Sure plenty of people are taller than me, but most people I meet (including both genders) are actually shorter than me. I went from being shorter than most people to being taller than most people, can't put that feeling enough into words.
Either way good luck and hope you don't experience duck ass as severe as I did. It is a lengthy process and you will get trough it in the end. Even though my duck ass has been a pain in the ass and the reason I still can't walk normally, I do see the light at end of the tunnel and I have no regrets. In the end, it is totally worth it!
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I am also very curious about your experience, in particular how much you will be hitting and in particular how fast you will be able to get rid of the crutches. I am also thinking about doing tibias but only, if I would get mobile without crutches very quickly (2-3 months after the surgery). I have to integrated it into my daily job routine this time... however, Becker mentioned to me that the tibia LL Process is much more easier than femur LL, so I am very curious about what you are going to report the next weeks/months.
I am now almost 8 weeks post clicking and I am walking without crutches very safely (Sometimes I forget them when I go out of the house ;D) I did go up and downstairs yesterday without crutches as well. I only have a very little duck ass which makes me a bit tired when I am walking a lot but my physio is also very optimistic that I will reduce it further. Its all about training and in particular time!
I had almost the same starting height like you and now beeing 10,75cm taller (162,5 to 173,5) is an incredible feeling ;D ;D you will definitely like it! From beeing shorter than the average girl to being taller then the most of them and almost have the average men's size is a change which is absolutely worth regardless how much you have to pay for! I think you will start noticing it, when you hit 165cm and beeing taller that the most girls :)
Furthermore, good luck and stay patient!
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That's awesome man, two members now with more than 10cm on femurs. Maybe I should go for more, what made you stop at 10.75cm?
I am also very curious about your experience, in particular how much you will be hitting and in particular how fast you will be able to get rid of the crutches. I am also thinking about doing tibias but only, if I would get mobile without crutches very quickly (2-3 months after the surgery). I have to integrated it into my daily job routine this time... however, Becker mentioned to me that the tibia LL Process is much more easier than femur LL, so I am very curious about what you are going to report the next weeks/months.
I am now almost 8 weeks post clicking and I am walking without crutches very safely (Sometimes I forget them when I go out of the house ;D) I did go up and downstairs yesterday without crutches as well. I only have a very little duck ass which makes me a bit tired when I am walking a lot but my physio is also very optimistic that I will reduce it further. Its all about training and in particular time!
I had almost the same starting height like you and now beeing 10,75cm taller (162,5 to 173,5) is an incredible feeling ;D ;D you will definitely like it! From beeing shorter than the average girl to being taller then the most of them and almost have the average men's size is a change which is absolutely worth regardless how much you have to pay for! I think you will start noticing it, when you hit 165cm and beeing taller that the most girls :)
Furthermore, good luck and stay patient!
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Check out my diary 😉
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=71436.0
I have mentioned mentioned my reasons there but in a nutshell: I reached my initial goal and I didnt want to go to the absolut limit, although I got the permission from Betz to go until 11cm. Finally who cares about 0,25cm 😅😅
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Yeah man I'm following you! Maybe Becker can introduce you to other patients who have done 10cm?
Agreed, and it would be great to hear from anyone who has done like even above 7cm on tibias tbh
I'm still trying to decide someday whether to shoot for 5 (Paley limit) or 5.5 cm tibias someday in Athens, kinda curious what people have experienced as they start reaching 6,7,8 etc in Germany to get a sense how things feel beyond 5 cm
In Athens now, I only know of two people doing internal tibias. One guy is doing the 4 precise nails quadrilateral option so I think his current ballerina foot at around 2 inches tibia is maybe not representative of other people's experience. He mentioned that the splints for the tibias may be too uncomfortable for alot of people during the night for sleeping. But I keep thinking "wait so Germany clicking tibia patients may not need to worry about this as much because they can walk much earlier and sort of automatically stretch it by walking"
The other guy in Athens doing precise tibia came in very flexible and is only 2cm (ish? forget) into his journey but basically his calves flexibility is still well within the normal range of non-patients ---but it seems that achilles tendon pain may sometimes flare up in tibia patients
But basically I am getting the impression that the OP might have made a great decision to go with clicking tibias first, like the weight bearing, the quality of life, etc. And if he is going to eventually do both femurs and tibias anyway in the long run, the (possibly/probably) lower pain for tibias than femurs on average should help alot for easing into the process
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Awesome thanks bro 🙏
Becker said only 10% of patients do tibia and almost none of them have done it first before femurs. I’m an anomaly. Let’s see what happens.
Yeah man I'm following you! Maybe Becker can introduce you to other patients who have done 10cm? Or maybe someone doing it right now? Would love his input. I have a feeling the 5cm limit isn't a tech limit (mobility might be part but willing to bet it's not the main reason).
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This is inspiring, thanks for sharing. I think from what I’m told, tibia is easier than femur. There’s part of me that thinks I should have done the hard ones first lol.
I am also very curious about your experience, in particular how much you will be hitting and in particular how fast you will be able to get rid of the crutches. I am also thinking about doing tibias but only, if I would get mobile without crutches very quickly (2-3 months after the surgery). I have to integrated it into my daily job routine this time... however, Becker mentioned to me that the tibia LL Process is much more easier than femur LL, so I am very curious about what you are going to report the next weeks/months.
I am now almost 8 weeks post clicking and I am walking without crutches very safely (Sometimes I forget them when I go out of the house ;D) I did go up and downstairs yesterday without crutches as well. I only have a very little duck ass which makes me a bit tired when I am walking a lot but my physio is also very optimistic that I will reduce it further. Its all about training and in particular time!
I had almost the same starting height like you and now beeing 10,75cm taller (162,5 to 173,5) is an incredible feeling ;D ;D you will definitely like it! From beeing shorter than the average girl to being taller then the most of them and almost have the average men's size is a change which is absolutely worth regardless how much you have to pay for! I think you will start noticing it, when you hit 165cm and beeing taller that the most girls :)
Furthermore, good luck and stay patient!
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Ahhh man! Read this diary right before my surgery and made me feel very confident and excited to do this. Congrats on the gains bro 🚀 have you thought about doing tibias?
Check out my diary 😉
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=71436.0
I have mentioned mentioned my reasons there but in a nutshell: I reached my initial goal and I didnt want to go to the absolut limit, although I got the permission from Betz to go until 11cm. Finally who cares about 0,25cm 😅😅
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Hey maxheight35! You wanna answer my post? 🙈😂
Congrats on getting the surgery and nice to see that Dr Becker is your primary contact! He's awesome!
I did the surgery back in January and spoke a little with Dr Betz and have had some communication with him, but my primary contact has been with Dr Becker. He's fast to respond and seems to care a lot about his patients.
Did you have surgery in Freiburg at Praxisklinik 2000? Hospital was okay, but the food was awful!
Curious to see how you fare doing 10cm on tibias. I did 11,5cm on femurs and was done clicking four months ago, but because of my issues with duck ass I'm still not 100% of the crutches. Duck ass is close to being resolved (I'll do an update on my diary soon), but because I still have some -walking over distances more than a few 100 meters is very tiring on my lower back. My duck ass started at 7cm, so I'm curious to know if you will experience something similar doing tibias instead of femurs.
10cm is life changing, how much are you planing on doing on femurs? I stared at 165cm, so I was a litte taller than you are now and I did more length. I ended up at 177cm (or close enough to 5'10 that I can say I'm 5'10) and I no longer feel small. It is such a weird, awesome, great and strange feeling not feeling small anymore. Sure plenty of people are taller than me, but most people I meet (including both genders) are actually shorter than me. I went from being shorter than most people to being taller than most people, can't put that feeling enough into words.
Either way good luck and hope you don't experience duck ass as severe as I did. It is a lengthy process and you will get trough it in the end. Even though my duck ass has been a pain in the ass and the reason I still can't walk normally, I do see the light at end of the tunnel and I have no regrets. In the end, it is totally worth it!
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Are you doing this surgery solo? Tell any family or friends?
Btw you're doing quite a bit on tibias, if you get ballerina foot make sure you take that seriously. Probably time to stop if that happens.
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Hey maxheight35! You wanna answer my post? 🙈😂
Sorry bro! Yeah Dr. Becker is a great guy and has been very supportive!
And yes I had the surgery in Frieburg at Praxisklinik 2000… I was so happy to leave that place! The nurses were OK but yeah the food absolutely sucked!!! I ordered takeout for every meal other than breakfast and I would have ordered breakfast if there was an option lol.
I heard about many stories with the duck ass with femurs. Actually think it comes down to the dedication you give on stretching everyday! I met this guy Nico here who did surgery as well about 4 months ago and he’s walking fine with no duck ass but man he puts in the work! Even when we are talking and eating he’s always stretching.
So far so good on the tibias. 10cm is definitely a game changer and I’ll be going for the max height possible with femurs. Hopefully another 12 there and then it’s game on baby!!!
Staying positive, active, and keeping my mind as busy as possible is key with this whole operation and situation. This hotel is amazing as well I can’t say it enough… I’m very happy and grateful for the level of service I’m being given from Dr. Becker and his team down to the hotel staff and physical therapy clinic staff as well!
Have you thought about doing tibias?
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Are you doing this surgery solo? Tell any family or friends?
Btw you're doing quite a bit on tibias, if you get ballerina foot make sure you take that seriously. Probably time to stop if that happens.
Yes I’m here solo. A few family and friends know but I am keeping it lowkey for the most part.
I actually just spoke to a guy who got ballerina foot who did 9cm on tibias but with physical therapy and more training it went away after 6 weeks when finished lengthening. Not too bad really.
Have you done tibias? What is your experience so far?
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I havent had any LL so far. So January will be my first time. Im a bit over 5'7 and with 5CM (femurs) it will put me over 5'9. I just want to get to the point where Im comfortable in my own skin, I dont need to be tall. I know for a fact that height will do it because I walked around with lifts for the first time and it was a game changer mentally. So thats the plan.
Currently my biggest obstacle is getting away from family for 5-6 months and creating a good excuse. Right now I plan to say Im taking a class internationally for learning but also for fun. Hoping that goes well. I get mixed advice saying 2 inches can be hidden from family. Im not really sure what to expect.
I feel like I'm at a height range where there is a stigma attached the surgery because I'm not seriously short. Just shortish. But to me its still a big deal, obviously since Im willing to break my legs.
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Ahhh man! Read this diary right before my surgery and made me feel very confident and excited to do this. Congrats on the gains bro 🚀 have you thought about doing tibias?
Thanks, yes I thought about it but I will only be able to do it, if I can integratie it smoothly into my daily job routine. I am a consultant with 2-3 days home office. Thats why I am interested how things are going to be in your case doing tibia.
I was able to took 6 months off for my femur surgery but I will not be able to do this again for tibia.
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I understand what you mean. It’s really all about how you personally feel and what makes you more confident and happier in life. Once you get the surgery and hit the 5cm you’ll probably keep going higher just because you’ll be used to the routine.
For femurs you only need 2 months for 5cm and like 4 months for 10cm. Tibias you need 6 months for 10cm !!! Keep me posted on the progress man!
I havent had any LL so far. So January will be my first time. Im a bit over 5'7 and with 5CM (femurs) it will put me over 5'9. I just want to get to the point where Im comfortable in my own skin, I dont need to be tall. I know for a fact that height will do it because I walked around with lifts for the first time and it was a game changer mentally. So thats the plan.
Currently my biggest obstacle is getting away from family for 5-6 months and creating a good excuse. Right now I plan to say Im taking a class internationally for learning but also for fun. Hoping that goes well. I get mixed advice saying 2 inches can be hidden from family. Im not really sure what to expect.
I feel like I'm at a height range where there is a stigma attached the surgery because I'm not seriously short. Just shortish. But to me its still a big deal, obviously since Im willing to break my legs.
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Thanks, yes I thought about it but I will only be able to do it, if I can integratie it smoothly into my daily job routine. I am a consultant with 2-3 days home office. Thats why I am interested how things are going to be in your case doing tibia.
I was able to took 6 months off for my femur surgery but I will not be able to do this again for tibia.
I can’t speak for femurs yet but so far tibia really is quite a breeze. There’s no pain but more just tension and after a few minutes of intense stretching and about 30 minutes of ice, it almost feels like normal.
That’s cool you can work from home 2-3 days a week. I will keep you posted on my progress. There’s a part of me that wants to try walking without crutches already so let’s see
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So far so good on the tibias. 10cm is definitely a game changer and I’ll be going for the max height possible with femurs. Hopefully another 12 there and then it’s game on baby!!!
22cm total would be the most I've ever heard of being done. I did femurs 7.3cm precise 2.2, consolidated early at 73/77mm if memory serves. Was able to go backwards and even up at 73mm left and right with precise. Great diary. Much appreciated. I've been wanting to do Tibia next, maybe in a year. I've been debating how much to try to lengthen and going with precise or perhaps follow in your footsteps. Would you be willing to share your sitting height? I'm wondering about your SHR pre LL and post LL. My SHR and proportions keep me worried about going for a lot more. Curious if you don't care if proportions end up leggy AF or you are starting with an extra long torso. Part of me really really really wants to say screw proportions and try to do 8cm tibias but I would be leggy AF doing that.
Also, if you'll share, what's your wingspan? My thought is that perhaps if I have arm LL then it'll balance out things and my proportions will be ok even with a below 0.50 SHR.
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I think Ill be antsey to stop lengthening and start recovering when I hit 5CM. I just want to get this whole thing done with as soon as possible. But you might be right. Well see and Ill def keep you updated. I might even see you over there if you remain at the facility. Not sure what your plans are.
Tibias are a trek! 6months of lengthening is intense. Glad things seems to be going well for you so far though.
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Hello Everyone.
Just had surgery with Dr. Becker last week, he’s taking over Dr. Betz practice.
First impression of Becker was a surprise….He’s tall, good looking, great hair, and has great style with his clothes. Definitely the “ideal” look for a man.
Anyway, flew from LA (Los Angeles, CA) to get the surgery. I had consults with almost all of the doctors in the US and with so many limiting factors (mobility, comfort, height in CM) I figured the best of the best is in Germany.
My goal is to do both tibias and femurs, and decided to go with tibias first.
Current height: 160cm (5 ft 3 inches)
First Goal: 170cm (5 ft 7 inches)
Since I have a lot of time on my hands and will be spending the next 30 days here in Germany, I created a new IG account that documents all the progress.
You can follow the IG here:
https://www.instagram.com/maxheight35/ (https://www.instagram.com/maxheight35/)
Feel free to ask any questions here and I’ll keep this post updated throughout the journey.
Thanks!
How do you click dude? How does your device work?
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I can’t speak for femurs yet but so far tibia really is quite a breeze. There’s no pain but more just tension and after a few minutes of intense stretching and about 30 minutes of ice, it almost feels like normal.
That’s cool you can work from home 2-3 days a week. I will keep you posted on my progress. There’s a part of me that wants to try walking without crutches already so let’s see
So you just want to do one surgery to get to 10cm right? Instead of doing 2 (both femur and tibia).
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I can’t speak for femurs yet but so far tibia really is quite a breeze. There’s no pain but more just tension and after a few minutes of intense stretching and about 30 minutes of ice, it almost feels like normal.
Great!
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Read his very first post on this thread. Hes planning on doing both.
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How do you click dude? How does your device work?
Clicking is really cool man. For the tibia, I twist my ankle outwards for one click, and then inward for another click and this lengthens the rod like a half millimeter each time. I do 11 clicks per day per leg!
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I walked earlier today with no crutches. Felt nice!
Video is on the IG stories and Week 3 highlight reels
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I walked earlier today with no crutches. Felt nice!
Video is on the IG stories and Week 3 highlight reels
Great Progress man! BTW cool book on your desk ;) exactly what you need, when lengthening. :)
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Hi Maxheight35
I will meet doctor Bets in 3 weeks and also I am considering LL for tibia. Very nice to hear your story man, I am following you on Instagram.
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Great Progress man! BTW cool book on your desk ;) exactly what you need, when lengthening. :)
Yes this book is amazing. Think & Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill. 1937 unedited edition
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Hi Maxheight35
I will meet doctor Bets in 3 weeks and also I am considering LL for tibia. Very nice to hear your story man, I am following you on Instagram.
Nice! So far I’m happy with Tibia first. Thanks for the follow and have fun meeting Becker / Betz !
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can show how it was done?
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What are Dr. Becker/Betz's thoughts on this strategy?
do 5-6 cm on tibias -> then if run into big problems with ballerina foot/range of motion, just focus on stretching/healing
then after you make a full recovery, rebreak one year later to grab 2-2.5 ish more cm?
I feel some people with not-great flexibility won't have the flexibility to get more than 5-6cm tibias in one shot, not sure though
On the other hand, Betz has said in the cyborg4life interview that in his experience he is able to achieve greater lengths than what people achieve with precise
I looked at the youtube cyborg4life interview with Betz and saw in the comments a BF complain that his GF went with Betz, did 8 cm in one go, and got non-union. And then I think medium drink of water the mod on this forum did 7.5cm ish on tibia in one shot (but it was externals so its different maybe) and wish he did less because of some issues it caused him later. I don't know what to make of comments like this, I don't know how to evaluate their accuracy, but they increase my fear/anxiety significantly because it feels like these problems might be hard to detect until its too late
If things go wrong with the betzbone from too much lengthening, is it possible / too expensive to have the rod removed, then shorten the tibias with a new inserted precise 2.2?
Or if I go with precise tibias to begin with and I run into problems from doing too much lengthening, can I rebreak my tibias later down the line and then shorten them with the same precise nail?
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So good to see you walk so early mate. This is a Big W.
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I spent 3 years doing research and meetings doctors, learning about the different nails / devices and the strategies of the aftercare for each doctor and from my personal experience the Betz / Becker combo is the way to go.
I’m slowly starting to walk without crutches now and I didn’t think it would be possible so soon after this type of surgery!
What are Dr. Becker/Betz's thoughts on this strategy?
do 5-6 cm on tibias -> then if run into big problems with ballerina foot/range of motion, just focus on stretching/healing
then after you make a full recovery, rebreak one year later to grab 2-2.5 ish more cm?
I feel some people with not-great flexibility won't have the flexibility to get more than 5-6cm tibias in one shot, not sure though
On the other hand, Betz has said in the cyborg4life interview that in his experience he is able to achieve greater lengths than what people achieve with precise
I looked at the youtube cyborg4life interview with Betz and saw in the comments a BF complain that his GF went with Betz, did 8 cm in one go, and got non-union. And then I think medium drink of water the mod on this forum did 7.5cm ish on tibia in one shot (but it was externals so its different maybe) and wish he did less because of some issues it caused him later. I don't know what to make of comments like this, I don't know how to evaluate their accuracy, but they increase my fear/anxiety significantly because it feels like these problems might be hard to detect until its too late
If things go wrong with the betzbone from too much lengthening, is it possible / too expensive to have the rod removed, then shorten the tibias with a new inserted precise 2.2?
Or if I go with precise tibias to begin with and I run into problems from doing too much lengthening, can I rebreak my tibias later down the line and then shorten them with the same precise nail?
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Sorry bro! Yeah Dr. Becker is a great guy and has been very supportive!
And yes I had the surgery in Frieburg at Praxisklinik 2000… I was so happy to leave that place! The nurses were OK but yeah the food absolutely sucked!!! I ordered takeout for every meal other than breakfast and I would have ordered breakfast if there was an option lol.
I heard about many stories with the duck ass with femurs. Actually think it comes down to the dedication you give on stretching everyday! I met this guy Nico here who did surgery as well about 4 months ago and he’s walking fine with no duck ass but man he puts in the work! Even when we are talking and eating he’s always stretching.
So far so good on the tibias. 10cm is definitely a game changer and I’ll be going for the max height possible with femurs. Hopefully another 12 there and then it’s game on baby!!!
Staying positive, active, and keeping my mind as busy as possible is key with this whole operation and situation. This hotel is amazing as well I can’t say it enough… I’m very happy and grateful for the level of service I’m being given from Dr. Becker and his team down to the hotel staff and physical therapy clinic staff as well!
Have you thought about doing tibias?
Yeah, I really like Dr. Becker, great dude!
Not a fan of that hospital, but as you said the nurses where nice. Got to practice my German a bit, but the FOOD SUCKED! I don't understand how they can serve you such food when your body is in dire need of good nutrition after a surgery like that. Makes no sense to me! And also there is no ventilation in that hospital so I god bad head aches after a few hours with the window closed. After a week in Praxisklinikk 2000 I was very lucky to stay in the luxury flat underneath Dr. Beckers Clinic. It was a large (160 square meter) flat that I still have very fond memories of nine months later. Also ordered two - three meals a day from Liverando when I got to the flat.
For some duck ass seems to be inevitable, especially when going 7-8cm +. I didn't have any sign of it until 7cm +. I stretched as much as 2 hours a day not counting going to my physiotherapist three times a week for even more stretching. In my case I have done a much stretching and workout as my body has allowed, because it also needs rest. If I only did 7-cm I would be good a long time ago, but I did go 11,5cm and I am still not good. But things are improving and I am not far away from getting rid of my duck ass and walking normal.
How much will you do in total then, tibias + femurs?
I am 177cm tall now and have no plans on tibias or getting any taller. I am more than good at this height, and I still haven't been out at bars or clubs yet and tested my new height. With some nice shoes I am easily 180cm and that is just awesome, I don't need any more because I don't feel small anymore. Heck, I am basically average - so I am in fact not small anymore.
I can't wait to test my new height out at bars and clubs though. I have always had good confidence and a good ability to speak for myself. I've been a manager since I was 19, so while I was young and small I had to develop the ability for people to listen to me and take me seriously. I am not the best looking, but I have been described as a chad lite by many attractive girls throughout the years. I have also had quite a few attractive girlfriends who all where a little taller than me, so even when I was small I was quite confident. But even with at successful career, confidence, charm, good style and good looks being 165cm cm in a Nordic country put a limit on my success that I was never comfortable with. Especially knowing the fact that If I was the same me, only taller I most likely would have had much more success with women with less work. And now that I am a taller version of my self, I think I am good. No need for anymore height.
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I spent 3 years doing research and meetings doctors, learning about the different nails / devices and the strategies of the aftercare for each doctor and from my personal experience the Betz / Becker combo is the way to go.
I’m slowly starting to walk without crutches now and I didn’t think it would be possible so soon after this type of surgery!
I think your diary is maybe the most important diary on the forum right now
Because we have alot of datapoints on this forum gnail femurs (weight bearing) with Giotikas that have been relatively successful. We have alot of datapoints about precise 2.2 (non-weight bearing) being successful but being potentially very long and unpleasant in terms of wheelchair time. Giotikas doesn't do weight bearing internal tibias at the moment-- unless someone counts situations where someone is low-ish weight and happens to fall below precise tibia's weight limit
We don't have as many datapoints on this forum about Betzbone 2.0 internal tibias, which seem to be the cheapest good weight bearing purely internal tibia method that doesn't have the corrosion problems of the older fitbone. I think Guichet and Betz are the only weight bearing internal tibias options now, but Guichet is more expensive than Betz I think and its not really clear if Guichet is better than Betz
I guess things may change when the next generation of precise comes out, but that may be a while and I don't know how they will solve certain problems like the osteolysis (don't know the cause of it) for the next generation of precise if they want to attempt another weight bearing nail
A big draw of betz aside from his higher length limits is that he seems to let patients go to work much sooner compared to other doctors (which I think was a big reason Apotheosis went with Betz) and the weight bearing tibia nail helps.
I vaguely remember there may have been some kind of controversy with Apotheosis and Betz years ago (or maybe it was with Sarin, not sure), but I feel like we can put that behind us now, its been 10 years, all LL doctors improve over time I'm sure
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My goal is 10cm on tibias and the full 12cm on femurs.
Total 22cm = about 9 inches
From 5,3” to 6,0” would be life changing!
Yeah, I really like Dr. Becker, great dude!
Not a fan of that hospital, but as you said the nurses where nice. Got to practice my German a bit, but the FOOD SUCKED! I don't understand how they can serve you such food when your body is in dire need of good nutrition after a surgery like that. Makes no sense to me! And also there is no ventilation in that hospital so I god bad head aches after a few hours with the window closed. After a week in Praxisklinikk 2000 I was very lucky to stay in the luxury flat underneath Dr. Beckers Clinic. It was a large (160 square meter) flat that I still have very fond memories of nine months later. Also ordered two - three meals a day from Liverando when I got to the flat.
For some duck ass seems to be inevitable, especially when going 7-8cm +. I didn't have any sign of it until 7cm +. I stretched as much as 2 hours a day not counting going to my physiotherapist three times a week for even more stretching. In my case I have done a much stretching and workout as my body has allowed, because it also needs rest. If I only did 7-cm I would be good a long time ago, but I did go 11,5cm and I am still not good. But things are improving and I am not far away from getting rid of my duck ass and walking normal.
How much will you do in total then, tibias + femurs?
I am 177cm tall now and have no plans on tibias or getting any taller. I am more than good at this height, and I still haven't been out at bars or clubs yet and tested my new height. With some nice shoes I am easily 180cm and that is just awesome, I don't need any more because I don't feel small anymore. Heck, I am basically average - so I am in fact not small anymore.
I can't wait to test my new height out at bars and clubs though. I have always had good confidence and a good ability to speak for myself. I've been a manager since I was 19, so while I was young and small I had to develop the ability for people to listen to me and take me seriously. I am not the best looking, but I have been described as a chad lite by many attractive girls throughout the years. I have also had quite a few attractive girlfriends who all where a little taller than me, so even when I was small I was quite confident. But even with at successful career, confidence, charm, good style and good looks being 165cm cm in a Nordic country put a limit on my success that I was never comfortable with. Especially knowing the fact that If I was the same me, only taller I most likely would have had much more success with women with less work. And now that I am a taller version of my self, I think I am good. No need for anymore height.
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Thanks man.
The Betz nail and Dr Becker combination is amazing, from my personal experience. I’m genuinely enjoying the lengthening process here at the hotel Dorint & therapy clinic.
I’ve hit the sauna quite a few times now, made some new LL friends as well as friends who work at the hotel. Also explored the city of Freiburg the other day with another patient. Very fun times!!!
I think your diary is maybe the most important diary on the forum right now
Because we have alot of datapoints on this forum gnail femurs (weight bearing) with Giotikas that have been relatively successful. We have alot of datapoints about precise 2.2 (non-weight bearing) being successful but being potentially very long and unpleasant in terms of wheelchair time. Giotikas doesn't do weight bearing internal tibias at the moment-- unless someone counts situations where someone is low-ish weight and happens to fall below precise tibia's weight limit
We don't have as many datapoints on this forum about Betzbone 2.0 internal tibias, which seem to be the cheapest good weight bearing purely internal tibia method that doesn't have the corrosion problems of the older fitbone. I think Guichet and Betz are the only weight bearing internal tibias options now, but Guichet is more expensive than Betz I think and its not really clear if Guichet is better than Betz
I guess things may change when the next generation of precise comes out, but that may be a while and I don't know how they will solve certain problems like the osteolysis (don't know the cause of it) for the next generation of precise if they want to attempt another weight bearing nail
A big draw of betz aside from his higher length limits is that he seems to let patients go to work much sooner compared to other doctors (which I think was a big reason Apotheosis went with Betz) and the weight bearing tibia nail helps.
I vaguely remember there may have been some kind of controversy with Apotheosis and Betz years ago (or maybe it was with Sarin, not sure), but I feel like we can put that behind us now, its been 10 years, all LL doctors improve over time I'm sure
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Looks like you're making the most of things from what I see on IG. Thats awesome. LL is time in your life, you should enjoy it as much as you can like you are. How long do you think youll stay there through lengthening? Or not sure yet.
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My goal is 10cm on tibias and the full 12cm on femurs.
Total 22cm = about 9 inches
From 5,3” to 6,0” would be life changing!
Rooting for you brother!
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Thanks man.
I’ve hit the sauna quite a few times now, made some new LL friends as well as friends who work at the hotel. Also explored the city of Freiburg the other day with another patient. Very fun times!!!
That's awesome, how did the sauna feel? I'm doing gnail femurs now. After I go back to the United States, I am thinking of going to the sauna and also walking in a pool (has some metal rails for handicaped people but water is not too deep)
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My goal is 10cm on tibias and the full 12cm on femurs.
Total 22cm = about 9 inches
From 5,3” to 6,0” would be life changing!
What is your sitting height and wingspan? I thought 16cm total was crazy but this is next level, did your doctor say this was safe?
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Has Dr. Becker/Betz ever done a rebreak for someone for Betzbone tibias 2.0? Ex: if they are running into too much ballerina foot/afraid of non-union and want to buy some time by stopping, healing to normal function, then rebreak later
I know Paley allows 4cm on tibias then rebreak to do another 4cm on tibias so I wonder if 4+4 could be a good option for Betzbone 2.0 tibias also
Since its weight bearing I have to think that a rebreak would not be that disruptive to someone's life?
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What is your sitting height and wingspan? I thought 16cm total was crazy but this is next level, did your doctor say this was safe?
Yeah, its sort of interesting how these clashing viewpoints on length limits will play out
With Paley saying that (4,4 rebreak 4,4) for 16cm total is the absolute maximum versus betz achieving 7-11 on femurs in one shot and sometimes 9+ on tibias in one shot
From a self interest perspective, it is good for us to have more datapoints on the forum of people doing like 10+cm on tibia or 10+cm on femurs and good for us not to dissuade them from doing this much (so the forum has more information/examples)
But it also sort of creates this tension where on one hand it can make a diary writer uncomfortable when readers comment on this very large length, but on the other hand it is hard for readers to not to talk about how long 10+cm on one segment is, like its quite hard to ignore
I appreciate the 11cm betz femur patient from another thread coming onto the forum and being open about the duckass but optimistic that it will go away with enough training
I also understand that rebreak is a pain in the ass and time consuming and why people wouldn't want to do it. But I do like the 'reset' or 'cheating' aspect of rebreak to do 4cm and then try to get to like a 'new baseline' by fully recovering after 4cm before doing more
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Looks like you're making the most of things from what I see on IG. Thats awesome. LL is time in your life, you should enjoy it as much as you can like you are. How long do you think youll stay there through lengthening? Or not sure yet.
I’m leaving next week. Headed to NYC for a bit.
walking daily without crutches now. Limping but manageable!
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Rooting for you brother!
Thank you bro 🙏
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That's awesome, how did the sauna feel? I'm doing gnail femurs now. After I go back to the United States, I am thinking of going to the sauna and also walking in a pool (has some metal rails for handicaped people but water is not too deep)
Dude the sauna is awesome. I’m doing it as much as I can now… it helps so much, I think it’s one of the reasons how I’m able to walk without the crutches so soon. Sleep a lot better at night as well!
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What is your sitting height and wingspan? I thought 16cm total was crazy but this is next level, did your doctor say this was safe?
Have no idea what my sitting height is and don’t care tbh. Long legs are sexy. I’m going to push as far as my body allows, and yes Dr Becker did say to stop at 10cm on tibias.
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Hmm, not sure it’s necessary since the Betz nail already is able to go max 12cm. I think it depends on the maintenance of the patient and how often you stretch and train, etc. personally I’m religiously stretching, icing the legs, sauna, lots of sleep. Anything and everything I can do make it feasible!
Has Dr. Becker/Betz ever done a rebreak for someone for Betzbone tibias 2.0? Ex: if they are running into too much ballerina foot/afraid of non-union and want to buy some time by stopping, healing to normal function, then rebreak later
I know Paley allows 4cm on tibias then rebreak to do another 4cm on tibias so I wonder if 4+4 could be a good option for Betzbone 2.0 tibias also
Since its weight bearing I have to think that a rebreak would not be that disruptive to someone's life?
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I believe its always worth to give it a try to go to the personal targeted length in the first place before thinking about rebreaking. There is no law that the limit is exactly at 8 cm for femurs or 5 cm in tibia. The only limited factor is your body and in particular your nerves! You need to find the perfect balance between daily lengthening and the maximum your muscles, tendons, IT Band and nerves can be stretched. Where muscles and tendons can be stretched very very much and nearly to every length (if they get the necessary time), nerves have their natural limit which is different at everybody and which you should not exceed as they than can get damaged! So as long as your nerves are playing the game together with you and there is enough sign for bone consolidation, I would go ahead with the lengthening. It is not an easy game as the muscles and tendons need much more time to get to the desired length than your lengthening period will be. That means you will have a long recovery period to get normal when you are lengthening amounts like 10cm or more.
I appreciate Paley expertise but I pesonally don´t like his rebreak approach before the patient has at least give it a try to go to 6 or 7 cm in tibia and 9 or 10 cm in femur in the first place. Every surgery of this type are risky and should not be done, if it is not really necessary. This length are recheabe in the first place but need a good monitoring of the lengthening period where you listen to your body and are in close touch with your surgeon and good physiotherapist. There are enough best practices (beside of mine ;)) that such amounts are feaseable.
However, this are only my two cents.
Yeah, its sort of interesting how these clashing viewpoints on length limits will play out
With Paley saying that (4,4 rebreak 4,4) for 16cm total is the absolute maximum versus betz achieving 7-11 on femurs in one shot and sometimes 9+ on tibias in one shot
From a self interest perspective, it is good for us to have more datapoints on the forum of people doing like 10+cm on tibia or 10+cm on femurs and good for us not to dissuade them from doing this much (so the forum has more information/examples)
But it also sort of creates this tension where on one hand it can make a diary writer uncomfortable when readers comment on this very large length, but on the other hand it is hard for readers to not to talk about how long 10+cm on one segment is, like its quite hard to ignore
I appreciate the 11cm betz femur patient from another thread coming onto the forum and being open about the duckass but optimistic that it will go away with enough training
I also understand that rebreak is a pain in the ass and time consuming and why people wouldn't want to do it. But I do like the 'reset' or 'cheating' aspect of rebreak to do 4cm and then try to get to like a 'new baseline' by fully recovering after 4cm before doing more
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Dude the sauna is awesome. I’m doing it as much as I can now… it helps so much, I think it’s one of the reasons how I’m able to walk without the crutches so soon. Sleep a lot better at night as well!
You are doing it the right way! Sauna and ice are very good try to keep that on a regular basis when getting home. You will need it much more when the stiffness is becoming harder.
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Dude the sauna is awesome. I’m doing it as much as I can now… it helps so much, I think it’s one of the reasons how I’m able to walk without the crutches so soon. Sleep a lot better at night as well!
after reading your comment about the sauna, a couple.of hours ago I went to the local gym, had a sesh of hydrotherapy and then went into the sauna.
Kid you not for the first time in more than 1 month the nerve pain I have on my right leg disappeared. I was so surprised.
It came back later but it's quite ok and manageable now. So yeah, saune is the way from now on.
Thanks for that tip
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This was an amazing reply post. Well said 🤝
I believe its always worth to give it a try to go to the personal targeted length in the first place before thinking about rebreaking. There is no law that the limit is exactly at 8 cm for femurs or 5 cm in tibia. The only limited factor is your body and in particular your nerves! You need to find the perfect balance between daily lengthening and the maximum your muscles, tendons, IT Band and nerves can be stretched. Where muscles and tendons can be stretched very very much and nearly to every length (if they get the necessary time), nerves have their natural limit which is different at everybody and which you should not exceed as they than can get damaged! So as long as your nerves are playing the game together with you and there is enough sign for bone consolidation, I would go ahead with the lengthening. It is not an easy game as the muscles and tendons need much more time to get to the desired length than your lengthening period will be. That means you will have a long recovery period to get normal when you are lengthening amounts like 10cm or more.
I appreciate Paley expertise but I pesonally don´t like his rebreak approach before the patient has at least give it a try to go to 6 or 7 cm in tibia and 9 or 10 cm in femur in the first place. Every surgery of this type are risky and should not be done, if it is not really necessary. This length are recheabe in the first place but need a good monitoring of the lengthening period where you listen to your body and are in close touch with your surgeon and good physiotherapist. There are enough best practices (beside of mine ;)) that such amounts are feaseable.
However, this are only my two cents.
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Oh man I’m happy to hear that! Have you tried ice as well? Also what about the massage gun?
https://www.therabody.com/us/en-us/therabody-recovery-devices/?prefn1=productTypeMasterPLP&prefv1=theragun (https://www.therabody.com/us/en-us/therabody-recovery-devices/?prefn1=productTypeMasterPLP&prefv1=theragun)
Get either the Elite or the Pro model. Personally have the Pro and it’s been a great investment. I used it on muscles prior to lengthening but this is also a game changer on the legs fresh in the morning and a few times throughout the day.
after reading your comment about the sauna, a couple.of hours ago I went to the local gym, had a sesh of hydrotherapy and then went into the sauna.
Kid you not for the first time in more than 1 month the nerve pain I have on my right leg disappeared. I was so surprised.
It came back later but it's quite ok and manageable now. So yeah, saune is the way from now on.
Thanks for that tip
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Is is possible to get this surgery with dr becker and then stay there for 3-4 weeks and then continue rest of the lengthening in my home country? I am thinking about getting 4-4.5 cm tibia with Dr. becker in Jan-Feb.
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Is is possible to get this surgery with dr becker and then stay there for 3-4 weeks and then continue rest of the lengthening in my home country? I am thinking about getting 4-4.5 cm tibia with Dr. becker in Jan-Feb.
Sure that’s possible.
Also about rebreak. Yes they do it but the thing is this depends on the patient. If you stretch and keep going then you can get more. If you don’t you may need to quit early because of becoming too tight and clicking will become hard again. Generally speaking, doing 5cm and then 5cm again half a year late is more comfortable and easy with stretching and all but it does require another surgery. It depends on the patient, his progress and how much he stretches mainly.
They will tell you this though (if you are able to continue or need to stop)
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Yes, I would recommend staying at least 4 weeks to get in a good routine. And in my opinion the surgery isn’t worth it for only 4-5cm… go for at-least 8!
Is is possible to get this surgery with dr becker and then stay there for 3-4 weeks and then continue rest of the lengthening in my home country? I am thinking about getting 4-4.5 cm tibia with Dr. becker in Jan-Feb.
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Yes, I would recommend staying at least 4 weeks to get in a good routine. And in my opinion the surgery isn’t worth it for only 4-5cm… go for at-least 8!
I'll see how you feel when you reach 5cm.
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Good to hear ur news.
I followed ur ins and when can u go to toilet by urself？
After u come back NYC.How often do u take a PT？For each session，how long time？
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I was able to use the toilet by myself on day 2. It’s easier than you think ;D
Good to hear ur news.
I followed ur ins and when can u go to toilet by urself？
After u come back NYC.How often do u take a PT？For each session，how long time？
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I'll see how you feel when you reach 5cm.
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Rooting for you, I hope you reach your tibia length goals! If you got 8+ cm it would be life changing for sure
I mean it feels like if you can walk earlier (since its weight bearing), it should help stretch the calves/achilles tendon I think just by walking? I wonder if that is the cause of Betz achieving greater lengths than USA doctors. I wonder if Becker will allow you to do standing calves stretches also if its weight bearing, is that safe? Not sure how it works but it would seem that body weight should be better at stretching the calves than straps/braces I imagine?
Do you know any other Betz tibia patients there who have done 6cm or more length on tibias? Kinda curious about their experiences
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Hey man, yeah I’m doing standing stretches / toe touches many times per day. Fully walking with no crutches now… it’s awesome. Slight limp but it’s getting better day by day.
I haven’t met any tibia guys in person but I spoke with a guy (and saw his pic) who did 8cm on tibias and 12 on femurs, it looked very good.
Rooting for you, I hope you reach your tibia length goals! If you got 8+ cm it would be life changing for sure
I mean it feels like if you can walk earlier (since its weight bearing), it should help stretch the calves/achilles tendon I think just by walking? I wonder if that is the cause of Betz achieving greater lengths than USA doctors. I wonder if Becker will allow you to do standing calves stretches also if its weight bearing, is that safe? Not sure how it works but it would seem that body weight should be better at stretching the calves than straps/braces I imagine?
Do you know any other Betz tibia patients there who have done 6cm or more length on tibias? Kinda curious about their experiences
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Hey man, yeah I’m doing standing stretches / toe touches many times per day. Fully walking with no crutches now… it’s awesome. Slight limp but it’s getting better day by day.
That's awesome you can do all that!
The precise tibia patient in athens (the one not doing quadrilateral) came in with very flexible calves, is close to 5cm now, but it seems despite all his hard work he has some ballerina foot to deal with. (ex: on treadmill he has to walk on toes/balls of feet). He mostly stayed on his wheelchair + only occasionally used the walker and because of the non-weight bearing/fear of breaking the nail and he just can't do these standing stretches and has to wear the uncomfortable braces for alot of his stretching
I feel like this is a big argument in favor of doing tibias in Germany or France, it being easier to stretch + much less disruptive to your life. Like I have to think that standing stretches are more effective and more comfortable than braces?
I wonder why Dimitrios Giotikas in Athens doesn't have any weight bearing full internal tibia nails. I'm not sure how regulation of devices works in Athens or if there are any opinions of his affecting this. It confuses me because I think Guichet in France does use some version of the g-nail for tibias but Dimitrios Giotikas in Athens only uses g-nail for femurs. I heard that the stryde had alot of issues for tibias and maybe (?) osteolysis but I'm assuming that this doesn't happen with betzbone/guichet nail for tibias I think?
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Oh yeah I didn’t think about the regulation of certain devices and the specific countries.
Germany seems cool in most areas, but with Covid - they are still very strict and wearing masks in hospitals and the therapy clinic… and even if you fly in / out Germany they have strict mask rules on the planes. (this is why I flew into Zürich)
5cm so far on tibia is great, do you know far he’s aiming for?
That's awesome you can do all that!
The precise tibia patient in athens (the one not doing quadrilateral) came in with very flexible calves, is close to 5cm now, but it seems despite all his hard work he has some ballerina foot to deal with. (ex: on treadmill he has to walk on toes/balls of feet). He mostly stayed on his wheelchair + only occasionally used the walker and because of the non-weight bearing/fear of breaking the nail and he just can't do these standing stretches and has to wear the uncomfortable braces for alot of his stretching
I feel like this is a big argument in favor of doing tibias in Germany or France, it being easier to stretch + much less disruptive to your life. Like I have to think that standing stretches are more effective and more comfortable than braces?
I wonder why Dimitrios Giotikas in Athens doesn't have any weight bearing full internal tibia nails. I'm not sure how regulation of devices works in Athens or if there are any opinions of his affecting this. It confuses me because I think Guichet in France does use some version of the g-nail for tibias but Dimitrios Giotikas in Athens only uses g-nail for femurs. I heard that the stryde had alot of issues for tibias and maybe (?) osteolysis but I'm assuming that this doesn't happen with betzbone/guichet nail for tibias I think?
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5cm so far on tibia is great, do you know far he’s aiming for?
5cm, so he's at his goal pmuch
It is also my goal for tibias to do next year
When I watch his (the tibia precise Athens patient) physical therapy for tibias, I sort of see some small toe and foot movements and small some knee movements but it seems like they really cannot apply that much force to stretch the tibias with their arms. Like their arms cannot apply that much force to stretch tibias compared to like... any standing stretch or even braces/night splint. Maybe when they lean in they can apply some force but I don't believe it is that much compared to standing. Then again, when he does try to stand on the treadmill, he has to be on his toes/balls of feet so I don't think the treadmill is stretching his calves that much either even though he is "standing".
---Which is making me start to believe that non-weight bearing tibias might be a big handicap, not sure, like I wonder if he could stand if he would have been constantly counteracting the ballerina foot harder (?not sure).
When I watch the physio done on him, I'm not really sure what its accomplishing because the movements are so small/not that much force but I assume they must be doing something
I wonder how tibia physical therapy (with the physical therapist, not alone) has felt for you?
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Ok yeah good idea. I’ll make some tibia stretching videos when I fly back west. I leave in a few days so will let you know.
You should consider Becker / Betz nail for your tibias. Full weight bearing is a huge advantage!
5cm, so he's at his goal pmuch
It is also my goal for tibias to do next year
When I watch his (the tibia precise Athens patient) physical therapy for tibias, I sort of see some small toe and foot movements and small some knee movements but it seems like they really cannot apply that much force to stretch the tibias with their arms. Like their arms cannot apply that much force to stretch tibias compared to like... any standing stretch or even braces/night splint. Maybe when they lean in they can apply some force but I don't believe it is that much compared to standing. Then again, when he does try to stand on the treadmill, he has to be on his toes/balls of feet so I don't think the treadmill is stretching his calves that much either even though he is "standing".
---Which is making me start to believe that non-weight bearing tibias might be a big handicap, not sure, like I wonder if he could stand if he would have been constantly counteracting the ballerina foot harder (?not sure).
When I watch the physio done on him, I'm not really sure what its accomplishing because the movements are so small/not that much force but I assume they must be doing something
I wonder how tibia physical therapy (with the physical therapist, not alone) has felt for you?
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That's awesome you can do all that!
The precise tibia patient in athens (the one not doing quadrilateral) came in with very flexible calves, is close to 5cm now, but it seems despite all his hard work he has some ballerina foot to deal with. (ex: on treadmill he has to walk on toes/balls of feet). He mostly stayed on his wheelchair + only occasionally used the walker and because of the non-weight bearing/fear of breaking the nail and he just can't do these standing stretches and has to wear the uncomfortable braces for alot of his stretching
I feel like this is a big argument in favor of doing tibias in Germany or France, it being easier to stretch + much less disruptive to your life. Like I have to think that standing stretches are more effective and more comfortable than braces?
I wonder why Dimitrios Giotikas in Athens doesn't have any weight bearing full internal tibia nails. I'm not sure how regulation of devices works in Athens or if there are any opinions of his affecting this. It confuses me because I think Guichet in France does use some version of the g-nail for tibias but Dimitrios Giotikas in Athens only uses g-nail for femurs. I heard that the stryde had alot of issues for tibias and maybe (?) osteolysis but I'm assuming that this doesn't happen with betzbone/guichet nail for tibias I think?
That's because stryde used stainless steel and betzbone/g nail uses cobalt chrome but they have other issues like runaway lengthening.
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That's because stryde used stainless steel and betzbone/g nail uses cobalt chrome but they have other issues like runaway lengthening.
Thanks so stryde had runaway lengthening for tibias? I thought runaway lengthening was more of a ISKD problem, not sure how stryde had runaway lengthening with the magnetic mechanism and reversibility. Thanks!!
My vague memory (unrelated to the above) was that Betz said in his interview that for magnetic nails the problem is that they have to use an iron-containing metal for the magnetic mechanism. So I wonder if that is causing stryde's creators (nuvasive) to not use cobalt chrome (or maybe I'm completely misunderstanding how these metal alloys work)
I thought that the stainless steel with stryde was just causing corrosion (from stainless steel on stainless steel contact like Paley said in his interviews)
The other thing I'm sort of wondering about is whether a patient should use some angle/elevation/slant on the antigravity treadmill machine. So far they have told us not to use that treadmill feature (it has that feature to increase the treadmill slant) in Athens but I don't know why they are against it. Higher slant will mean more stretch on tibias and slightly more for hamstrings too, no? Don't know if its dangerous for the precise tibia nail or if that is a non issue
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Thanks so stryde had runaway lengthening for tibias? I thought runaway lengthening was more of a ISKD problem, not sure how stryde had runaway lengthening with the magnetic mechanism and reversibility. Thanks!!
My vague memory (unrelated to the above) was that Betz said in his interview that for magnetic nails the problem is that they have to use an iron-containing metal for the magnetic mechanism. So I wonder if that is causing stryde's creators (nuvasive) to not use cobalt chrome (or maybe I'm completely misunderstanding how these metal alloys work)
I thought that the stainless steel with stryde was just causing corrosion (from stainless steel on stainless steel contact like Paley said in his interviews)
The other thing I'm sort of wondering about is whether a patient should use some angle/elevation/slant on the antigravity treadmill machine. So far they have told us not to use that treadmill feature (it has that feature to increase the treadmill slant) in Athens but I don't know why they are against it. Higher slant will mean more stretch on tibias and slightly more for hamstrings too, no? Don't know if its dangerous for the precise tibia nail or if that is a non issue
I mean betzbone/gnail has runaway lengthening issue. Some user recently posted that they still hear clicking sounds even after consolidation and that's causing them pain.
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I mean betzbone/gnail has runaway lengthening issue. Some user recently posted that they still hear clicking sounds even after consolidation and that's causing them pain.
Yeah I'm still deciding between 1 vs 1.5 vs 2 years for when to remove gnail from my femurs, I'm curious about this too. It sounds like its good remove clicking nails in case they click again later
Gonna do precise tibias in Athens about 1 year after my femur surgery
a. I could remove the nail for femurs right before I do tibias after 1 year (and recover from femur nail removal first before doing tibias).
b. I could remove the femur nail during the same day as the tibia surgery, evidently that is a thing
c. I could do the femur nail removal during the middle of a tibia precise journey
d. Or I could do the femur nail removal after the tibia precise journey.
e. Or I could do the femur nail removal way after the tibia precise journey like 2 years total after the original femur surgery = 1 year after the tibia surgery
I'm not really sure what's the best option. Dunno, what does Betz/Becker recommend for timing the first nail removal if you're planning on doing a second lengthening?
I'm willing to do a more expensive option if it significantly improve the comfort and safety ( I assume that would be a or d or e) but am not sure how much it actually matters
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You should do a consult with Becker.
You can email his assistant, Nora, directly at freiburg@betzinstitute.com
Yeah I'm still deciding between 1 vs 1.5 vs 2 years for when to remove gnail from my femurs, I'm curious about this too. It sounds like its good remove clicking nails in case they click again later
Gonna do precise tibias in Athens about 1 year after my femur surgery
a. I could remove the nail for femurs right before I do tibias after 1 year (and recover from femur nail removal first before doing tibias).
b. I could remove the femur nail during the same day as the tibia surgery, evidently that is a thing
c. I could do the femur nail removal during the middle of a tibia precise journey
d. Or I could do the femur nail removal after the tibia precise journey.
e. Or I could do the femur nail removal way after the tibia precise journey like 2 years total after the original femur surgery = 1 year after the tibia surgery
I'm not really sure what's the best option. Dunno, what does Betz/Becker recommend for timing the first nail removal if you're planning on doing a second lengthening?
I'm willing to do a more expensive option if it significantly improve the comfort and safety ( I assume that would be a or d or e) but am not sure how much it actually matters
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Officially leaving Germany and headed to NYC.
Videos posted of me walking without crutches.
Journey continues. Thanks for the support on here.
287 followers on IG since the original post!
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Safe travels!
I noticed you used a Theragun to help relax the muscles. Is this recommended by the doctor? I was under the impression massage guns could do more harm than good to the lengthening area
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Safe travels!
I noticed you used a Theragun to help relax the muscles. Is this recommended by the doctor? I was under the impression massage guns could do more harm than good to the lengthening area
Thanks. Theragun wasn’t recommended by the doctor, but I’ve used it for years otherwise and figured it would help with easing the muscle tension (and it does). Other patients have also recommended. I’m wondering what makes you think it would do more harm than good?
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Thanks. Theragun wasn’t recommended by the doctor, but I’ve used it for years otherwise and figured it would help with easing the muscle tension (and it does). Other patients have also recommended. I’m wondering what makes you think it would do more harm than good?
That's good to hear it helps - I'm thinking of getting one to use when I do mine.
I was under the impression because most people push the gun so deep into the area that it could be a bit harsh around the injury site, but as long as you're not reckless with it I don't see it being an issue.
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That's good to hear it helps - I'm thinking of getting one to use when I do mine.
I was under the impression because most people push the gun so deep into the area that it could be a bit harsh around the injury site, but as long as you're not reckless with it I don't see it being an issue.
Ahh yeah for sure. Makes sense. In the beginning you have to press very lightly because it does hurt! As time is going on I’m able to press harder.
For the tibia, I don’t press at all along the top of the leg where the bone is. Just on the sides, and the back of the leg.
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Ahh yeah for sure. Makes sense. In the beginning you have to press very lightly because it does hurt! As time is going on I’m able to press harder.
For the tibia, I don’t press at all along the top of the leg where the bone is. Just on the sides, and the back of the leg.
Interesting. I saw your IG story, and it looks like your making amazing progress. What length are you at now?
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Amazing stuffs man. I love your walking and the environment there
I wish I had a powerful passport like USA so that I can go anywhere in the world I want for surgery. My dream in life is to get Canadian citizenship and do LL in a developed country.
My 3rd world passport is too much restricting
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Cant believe you're walking like you are.
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Interesting. I saw your IG story, and it looks like your making amazing progress. What length are you at now?
2.5cm so far 🫡
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They won’t allow you to go to Germany? What about Switzerland? You can always go to Zurich and hop over to Germany quite easily. The clinic is about an 80 minute drive from the Zurich airport!
Amazing stuffs man. I love your walking and the environment there
I wish I had a powerful passport like USA so that I can go anywhere in the world I want for surgery. My dream in life is to get Canadian citizenship and do LL in a developed country.
My 3rd world passport is too much restricting
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Cant believe you're walking like you are.
I know man. It’s awesome. Can’t walk too far tho… otherwise it starts to really hurt. Went in the airport no crutches, by the time I got to the gate I was sweating bullets and couldn’t wait to sit down. Having the carry-on luggage with wheels did help a little.
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Congrats to this decision!
Why did you chose tibias first?
Starting tibias first is highly recommended for quadrilateral patients. If you end up with hip flexion contractures or tight quadriceps it would be too dangerous for the palletofemoral complex to proceed with another surgery, while starting with tibias and having ballerina foot would be more managable. Usually won't be a problem with aggressive therapy, but it's safer in any case.
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Just saw week 6 IG post. You go player! Respect...
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Starting tibias first is highly recommended for quadrilateral patients. If you end up with hip flexion contractures or tight quadriceps it would be too dangerous for the palletofemoral complex to proceed with another surgery, while starting with tibias and having ballerina foot would be more managable. Usually won't be a problem with aggressive therapy, but it's safer in any case.
This ☝️
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Just saw week 6 IG post. You go player! Respect...
Feels good man
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How many days you have been clicking?
Surgery gap is 0.5cm?
2.5cm within 21 days clicking?
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How many days you have been clicking?
Surgery gap is 0.5cm?
2.5cm within 21 days clicking?
Yup. 2.5cm now
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ok..how many clicks per day? how many days so far?
i know 1 click = 0.052mm
11clicks for 21 days = 12mm only + surgery gap (o.5cm) = 1.7cm
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That's because stryde used stainless steel and betzbone/g nail uses cobalt chrome but they have other issues like runaway lengthening.
No runaway nail i ever heard of with betzbone. You made that up. This is not even a complication that you had to sign before surgery (and there were many abstract ones).
Runaway means that the nail suddenly lengthens to it‘s limit meaning like 12 cm extension in a single go by itself. This won‘t happen. I don‘t know how that even could work in reality.
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No runaway nail i ever heard of with betzbone. You made that up. This is not even a complication that you had to sign before surgery (and there were many abstract ones).
Runaway means that the nail suddenly lengthens to it‘s limit meaning like 12 cm extension in a single go by itself. This won‘t happen. I don‘t know how that even could work in reality.
That is not what is referred to by a runaway nail. It's not all at once goes to max 12cm. Rather it's when occasional unwanted clicks occur, and keep occurring, and eventually add up to a significant problematic amount of undesired lengthening. I have no idea if it has happened with Betzbone or not. It definitely has happened on other nails. Happened to Unicorn and she was using gnail with Guichet.
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That is not what is referred to by a runaway nail. It's not all at once goes to max 12cm. Rather it's when occasional unwanted clicks occur, and keep occurring, and eventually add up to a significant problematic amount of undesired lengthening. I have no idea if it has happened with Betzbone or not. It definitely has happened on other nails. Happened to Unicorn and she was using gnail with Guichet.
An occasional Click is possible but very rare. With time every patient get to know which movements can trigger a click, so it will be in your hands to take care in your daily movements. Nothing to worry about.
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ok..how many clicks per day? how many days so far?
i know 1 click = 0.052mm
11clicks for 21 days = 12mm only + surgery gap (o.5cm) = 1.7cm
It’s been 33 clicking days. A few days I did a lot more clicks (12-15) because I was stressing about how long it would take for me to reach the goal of 10cm. (Don’t do this lol) After properly calculating everything..
Here’s the exact stats so far:
5mm initial gap + 386 clicks (20.12mm) = 25.12mm = 2.512cm
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Be careful cos i know - once u r around 4cm, ballerina foot may occur.
This will affect your walking gait and lengthening.
Do slow down the lengthening after 3cm to avoid it, also for your muscles and nerve can catch up.
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Be careful cos i know - once u r around 4cm, ballerina foot may occur.
This will affect your walking gait and lengthening.
Do slow down the lengthening after 3cm to avoid it, also for your muscles and nerve can catch up.
Good advice. Thanks for that. I’ll keep you posted 🫡
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Betz institute used to have nice Youtube videos and a thorough website on everything. But now it looks like things are changing (new doctor, new location) but none of those resources are up-to-date. Do you know if Becker is working on this?
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Betz institute used to have nice Youtube videos and a thorough website on everything. But now it looks like things are changing (new doctor, new location) but none of those resources are up-to-date. Do you know if Becker is working on this?
Yes, when I was there he was actually filming a ton of content with professional cameraman, and patients who had the surgery. Early next year he’ll be dropping some fresh videos and doing the social media stuff.
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You were able to walk with no crutches after 32 days ? For real ? :o
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Hey, have you talked to Dr. Becker about the alignment of your legs? I know that this is a tricky thing about limb lengthening, which is not perfected by every doctor. Would be awesome if you can share his take on this subject.
Many commercial doctors can’t preserve the alignment of their patients which can cause issues down the line.
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Yes please post full length xrays if possible.
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Which hospital exactly was your surgery in?
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You were able to walk with no crutches after 32 days ? For real ? :o
I was walking without crutches fully after 2 weeks. I still have a slight limp but it’s not too bad!
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Yes please post full length xrays if possible.
Follow the instagram. X rays are posted on the 1st feed post and the week 5 highlight reel.
https://instagram.com/maxheight35 (https://instagram.com/maxheight35)
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Good form on your push-ups. You're making me feel like a lazy POS lol. Time for me to hit the gym...
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I worry pushups is too much stress. Did they say those are ok?
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Follow the instagram. X rays are posted on the 1st feed post and the week 5 highlight reel.
https://instagram.com/maxheight35 (https://instagram.com/maxheight35)
They are not full length xrays so it's not possible to see the alignment on them.
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Good form on your push-ups. You're making me feel like a lazy POS lol. Time for me to hit the gym...
Thanks bro. I’ve been hitting the gym everyday. Helps pass the time and provides mental clarity.
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I worry pushups is too much stress. Did they say those are ok?
Stress comes from the mind! Push-ups and most workouts are totally OK 💪
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They are not full length xrays so it's not possible to see the alignment on them.
What you see is what I have. I don’t get what else you’re looking for exactly 🤔
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Cool news today -
Went to my hometown to visit my mother and went to the YMCA pool.
Swam 20 laps. When I first jumped in the water I sank straight down to the bottom but it was easy to come back up and start swimming. This is definitely a full body workout and I highly recommend to anyone who’s had surgery and has access to a pool!
🔥 Watch the stories on IG and check the highlight reel Week 7!
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That’s excellent well done and keep up the strong work
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Congrats brother! How is your progress? Are you still able to fully walk without the use of crutches
Cool news today -
Went to my hometown to visit my mother and went to the YMCA pool.
Swam 20 laps. When I first jumped in the water I sank straight down to the bottom but it was easy to come back up and start swimming. This is definitely a full body workout and I highly recommend to anyone who’s had surgery and has access to a pool!
🔥 Watch the stories on IG and check the highlight reel Week 7!
? What's your current length gain?
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That’s excellent well done and keep up the strong work
Thank you bro 🙏
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Congrats brother! How is your progress? Are you still able to fully walk without the use of crutches
? What's your current length gain?
Thanks man. Progress is strong so far. Still walking no crutches. The walk is getting much better actually, still with a slight limp. Current gain is almost 3cm 🚀
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Good luck man 8)
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Congrats, being active like you are will go a long way. Can we get a video of you walking? Maybe just aim the camera shoulders down? Sorry to ask just super curious. Also do you think its easier to walk like you are with tibia or femurs? Hoping I can do you can with femurs.
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Hi maxheight35, I'm loving your diary and your updates!
What type of anesthesia do they use at Betz institute?
And could you tell which exact hospital they do this surgery in? At the University Hospital Freiburg?
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Some of your surgical scars appear to be healing nicely while some others less so. One in particular looked like a newish scab and not much healing. I want to do Tibias like you and one of my biggest concerns is the scaring. Have you noticed anything you've done differently which might lead to the better healing in some sites. Perhaps it's mostly the ankle scars do well starting a bit smaller? Becker or staff give any guidance regarding things to do to minimize scaring?
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Some of your surgical scars appear to be healing nicely while some others less so. One in particular looked like a newish scab and not much healing. I want to do Tibias like you and one of my biggest concerns is the scaring. Have you noticed anything you've done differently which might lead to the better healing in some sites. Perhaps it's mostly the ankle scars do well starting a bit smaller? Becker or staff give any guidance regarding things to do to minimize scaring?
I do agree that tibia scars are a bit more of a thing compared to femur scars. Not much you can do other than using scar gel daily which they gave you and perhaps laser treatment in the future.
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Good luck man 8)
Thank you 🫡
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Thank you man.
I just posted a new story of me walking in the locker room, also it’s under Week 8 highlights.
Haven’t done femurs yet, but when I do I will let you know which one is easier!
Congrats, being active like you are will go a long way. Can we get a video of you walking? Maybe just aim the camera shoulders down? Sorry to ask just super curious. Also do you think its easier to walk like you are with tibia or femurs? Hoping I can do you can with femurs.
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Thank you 🙏
I have no idea the type of Anesthesia they used but I know it works! 🤣
The hospital was called something like “Praxlisclinic 2000” and was very small, private and kinda high end. A+ service while I was there as well.
Hi maxheight35, I'm loving your diary and your updates!
What type of anesthesia do they use at Betz institute?
And could you tell which exact hospital they do this surgery in? At the University Hospital Freiburg?
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Bro what! Just watched. You're walking around like that. You cant even tell you're doing LL. If my walk is anywhere near yours Im going to be psyched.
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Yes the scars are quite ugly right now. And honestly I haven’t used the scaring gel even one time. When the time comes, I’ll get laser treatment as it’s very effective. I’ve had it done on my face before and it works very good!
Don’t let a couple of scars hold you back from doing this surgery.
Some of your surgical scars appear to be healing nicely while some others less so. One in particular looked like a newish scab and not much healing. I want to do Tibias like you and one of my biggest concerns is the scaring. Have you noticed anything you've done differently which might lead to the better healing in some sites. Perhaps it's mostly the ankle scars do well starting a bit smaller? Becker or staff give any guidance regarding things to do to minimize scaring?
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Thank you 🙏
I have no idea the type of Anesthesia they used but I know it works! 🤣
The hospital was called something like “Praxlisclinic 2000” and was very small, private and kinda high end. A+ service while I was there as well.
There is general anesthesia where they put a gas mask and you pass out. There is spinal where they push something into your spine while you're awake. Which one was it?
And are you on blood thinners? For how long?
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Bro what! Just watched. You're walking around like that. You cant even tell you're doing LL. If my walk is anywhere near yours Im going to be psyched.
Yeah man, just stretch consistently, hit the sauna as much as possible, and ice the legs several intervals throughout the day. The combo really helps.
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Yes it was through an IV in the arm and the gas mask. I took the blood thinners for like 30 days.
There is general anesthesia where they put a gas mask and you pass out. There is spinal where they push something into your spine while you're awake. Which one was it?
And are you on blood thinners? For how long?
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Thank you man.
I just posted a new story of me walking in the locker room, also it’s under Week 8 highlights.
Haven’t done femurs yet, but when I do I will let you know which one is easier!
Unbelievable and this after 8 weeks! I can tell for sure femurs are very much harder due to the larger muscles. Dr. Becker told me as well that Tibia is going much easier because you dont have to fight against duck ass und wide legs. My walk (I have done femur) is right now the same but 3 months post-clicking :)
Do you still use the crutches, like outside, or did you already throw them away ;D
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Unbelievable and this after 8 weeks! I can tell for sure femurs are very much harder due to the larger muscles. Dr. Becker told me as well that Tibia is going much easier because you dont have to fight against duck ass und wide legs. My walk (I have done femur) is right now the same but 3 months post-clicking :)
Do you still use the crutches, like outside, or did you already throw them away ;D
Yea man I still sometimes wish I did tibias. But hey at least in the future we know that it will be easier than what we already did.
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"Yea man I still sometimes wish I did tibias."
It really depends on your goals. If hiding you did LL is important then femurs are the way to go. But it does look like tibias effect your gate much less and from that standpoint its less obvious through the LL and recovery process. But that time also comes and goes.
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"Yea man I still sometimes wish I did tibias."
It really depends on your goals. If hiding you did LL is important then femurs are the way to go. But it does look like tibias effect your gate much less and from that standpoint its less obvious through the LL and recovery process. But that time also comes and goes.
Not because any of these reasons. Long tibias look great imo.
It‘s because of the amount of work. Femur needs so much more stretching and duckass looks horrendous compared to ballerina foot.
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Yes, long tibias looks great! And I make it look easy 😉🤣
It’s a combination of so many things like having the right positive mental attitude, physical activity, dedication to stretching, etc
Also remember tibia takes 5 months to hit 8.5cm while femurs take only 4 months to hit the full 12cm!
Thats the one reason I’m looking forward to femurs. And now that I know how hard it is, I will prepare several months in advance and become a master at yoga lol
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I left the crutches in Germany!
Unbelievable and this after 8 weeks! I can tell for sure femurs are very much harder due to the larger muscles. Dr. Becker told me as well that Tibia is going much easier because you dont have to fight against duck ass und wide legs. My walk (I have done femur) is right now the same but 3 months post-clicking :)
Do you still use the crutches, like outside, or did you already throw them away ;D
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maxheight35--I just want to say thank you. I think it's incredible what you're doing. Your accomplishments and attitude are truly inspiring. I wish people were less afraid of others finding out and more proud of what they're accomplishing. Hopefully your instagram story is the first step towards this.
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Thanks I appreciate these words. It takes a lot of work physically and mentally.
New video posted on IG showing how to click with tibias. Check the story and highlight week 9!
maxheight35--I just want to say thank you. I think it's incredible what you're doing. Your accomplishments and attitude are truly inspiring. I wish people were less afraid of others finding out and more proud of what they're accomplishing. Hopefully your instagram story is the first step towards this.
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Those clicks sound brutal lol.
Do you think I should stay for 2 or 3 weeks to get clicking down? Need to book my return flight soon.
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Those clicks sound brutal lol.
Do you think I should stay for 2 or 3 weeks to get clicking down? Need to book my return flight soon.
Definitely would recommend that man. Even for femur. I only stayed 2 weeks, I mean I did fine anyways but tbh from the feeling it was kinda too short. Would recommend ~4 weeks.
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I think Im going to do 3 weeks. I would do longer but id prefer for my family to not call me and caller ID comes in from freaking Germany lmao. How do I explain that. With 3 weeks I can call right before I leave and then just text for a while. Or on week 2 say "ill give you a call next week".
Obviously safety is #1 but it seems people leave at week 2 and 3 and do fine.
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Those clicks sound brutal lol.
Do you think I should stay for 2 or 3 weeks to get clicking down? Need to book my return flight soon.
This is nothing compared to Femur Clicking of Gnail or Betz
Femur clicking is more difficult and you will be amazed how your legs rotate more than 90 degree..,,,lol
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I think Im going to do 3 weeks. I would do longer but id prefer for my family to not call me and caller ID comes in from freaking Germany lmao. How do I explain that. With 3 weeks I can call right before I leave and then just text for a while. Or on week 2 say "ill give you a call next week".
Obviously safety is #1 but it seems people leave at week 2 and 3 and do fine.
Are you still using land line call?
We are using Watapps call instead
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This is nothing compared to Femur Clicking of Gnail or Betz
Femur clicking is more difficult and you will be amazed how your legs rotate more than 90 degree..,,,lol
Is it more painful?
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This is nothing compared to Femur Clicking of Gnail or Betz
Femur clicking is more difficult and you will be amazed how your legs rotate more than 90 degree..,,,lol
Did you do Betz femurs? Ive heard people say its not bad and people say it was horrible. Not sure what to believe.
I have international cellular but I plan to just use wifi texting. Hopefully the hospital has wifi?? If I call over wifi Im not sure how it shows up on caller ID to a caller in the US....so Im trying to avoid that.
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Did you do Betz femurs? Ive heard people say its not bad and people say it was horrible. Not sure what to believe.
I have international cellular but I plan to just use wifi texting. Hopefully the hospital has wifi?? If I call over wifi Im not sure how it shows up on caller ID to a caller in the US....so Im trying to avoid that.
Beginning it‘s awful to click with femur I won‘t sugarcoat. First 2 cm felt like giving birth everyday with bad cramps and pain in the hip region and all that stuff for me. But it gets better with time. After 4cm it became mostly painfree and after 7cm I was able to click similar to like he showed in the video.
Yes clicking is much easier with tibia but at the end of the day I would say clicking was definitely one of the least important problems. Since 4cm it was no problem at all. I wouldn‘t worry too much about it man.
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Welp...this is going to suck.
Does the hospital have wifi?
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Did you do Betz femurs? Ive heard people say its not bad and people say it was horrible. Not sure what to believe.
I have international cellular but I plan to just use wifi texting. Hopefully the hospital has wifi?? If I call over wifi Im not sure how it shows up on caller ID to a caller in the US....so Im trying to avoid that.
i did Gnail at Femur.
Not sure about Germany hospital. In Athens, there is Wifi in both hospital and my accommodation.
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Is it more painful?
Yes it was at the beginning for Femur when you have inflammation phase.
Some patients are a lot of clicking problems...need help from doctor and nurses.
It will become easy after few weeks.
However, post clicking for Femur will result have a lot of discomfort, muscle tightness and nerve numbness.
This is why we need a lot of stretching and massage for LL Femur.
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Yes it was at the beginning for Femur when you have inflammation phase.
Some patients are a lot of clicking problems...need help from doctor and nurses.
It will become easy after few weeks.
However, post clicking for Femur will result have a lot of discomfort, muscle tightness and nerve numbness.
This is why we need a lot of stretching and massage for LL Femur.
Whats the most important muscle group to stretch before? Im working hard on hamstrings right now. Slightly worried because I already have tightness there. Also did you have any hip/lower back pain from hamstrings and nerves tugging?
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Whats the most important muscle group to stretch before? Im working hard on hamstrings right now. Slightly worried because I already have tightness there. Also did you have any hip/lower back pain from hamstrings and nerves tugging?
I gotta the following after more than 5.5cm:
1. Hamstrings tightness and pain when doing stretching
2. kneecap slight pain
3. Numbness at right lower leg
Go easy with stretching, reduce no. of clicking and massage.
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I gotta the following after more than 5.5cm:
1. Hamstrings tightness and pain when doing stretching
2. kneecap slight pain
3. Numbness at right lower leg
Go easy with stretching, reduce no. of clicking and massage.
Thanks for this Bagga. One last question for you if you dont mind: what was your flexibility level going into LL? Could you touch your toes or were you a touch your mid shins guy?
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Before LL:
Touch my toes without bending my legs
Can jog fast and sprint 100m within 14sec
After LL:
Touch only at lower shin, cannot touch the toes.
only slow jog or brisk walking, difficult to pick up speed and sprint.
cannot jump high
I dont know whether it is due to internal nail inside...hopefully once remove and everything back to normal.
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How much did you pay for entire surgery? I would like to get my femurs done there.
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Those clicks sound brutal lol.
Do you think I should stay for 2 or 3 weeks to get clicking down? Need to book my return flight soon.
The clicks are easy now. It gets better over time. I would recommend you stay a full 30 days to get in a good routine.
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How much did you pay for entire surgery? I would like to get my femurs done there.
Tibia is 56k euro for surgery, Femur is 53k. I paid an extra 3400 euro for the hotel and clinic. 12 days are included, you pay the extra remaining during stay. in my case was an extra 18 days. i also did room service every night for dinner, the hotel breakfast buffet everyday, and upgraded my room.
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Why you didnt go with doctor Mahubobian in L A ?.. is more convenient I think
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"Why you didnt go with doctor Mahubobian in L A ?.. is more convenient I think". Becker offers weight bearing nail, while Mahubobian does not
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Why you didnt go with doctor Mahubobian in L A ?.. is more convenient I think
Met him 2x and the vibes weren’t there. Plus they use the old precise nail = wheelchair for 3 months due to non-weight bearing nail. No after care support, and you can only do 8cm on femurs.
Betz / Becker are honestly the most advanced doctors in this space. Becker has amazing after care support and his team is top notch.
Plus taking a trip to Switzerland & Germany, experiencing the culture / scenery was very cool.
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Yes, I would recommend staying at least 4 weeks to get in a good routine. And in my opinion the surgery isn’t worth it for only 4-5cm… go for at-least 8!
so you just stayed there a month and went home to US? So PT only lasts a month and then you do it yourself?
@SpeedDialer hope to get your input too
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so you just stayed there a month and went home to US? So PT only lasts a month and then you do it yourself?
@SpeedDialer hope to get your input too
For tibia he recommend one month. I was walking without crutches after 2 weeks, so it made sense.
Femurs he says 2-3 months as it requires more training. Some guys stay the full period which is about 4 months.
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For tibia he recommend one month. I was walking without crutches after 2 weeks, so it made sense.
Femurs he says 2-3 months as it requires more training. Some guys stay the full period which is about 4 months.
what about the physio? you just went home after a month and do it yourself?
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For tibia he recommend one month. I was walking without crutches after 2 weeks, so it made sense.
Femurs he says 2-3 months as it requires more training. Some guys stay the full period which is about 4 months.
R u able to walk normally and drive a car?
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Interesting.. a lot of people do femur but tibia can be more complicated but also more easy for what you said, the real thing is the PT and to not desesperate because it will last long the lengthening, ¿can you work or do daily thinks like normal ? ¿How many hours do you spend in stretching, excercise and pt?
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Interesting.. a lot of people do femur but tibia can be more complicated but also more easy for what you said, the real thing is the PT and to not desesperate because it will last long the lengthening, ¿can you work or do daily thinks like normal ? ¿How many hours do you spend in stretching, excercise and pt?
Tibia are more risky but with a good doctor like Betz/Becker, Paley etc not really an issue. The Point is more that, when you start with tibia in the most cases you will need to do femur as well to improve your tibia/femur ratio of 0.9+. On the other hand it is possible to live with a tibia/femur ratio of 0,7 or less.
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Not that im thinking in tibias I ask myself things.. 10 years ago I woke up from my bed in the winter, was so cold didnt stretch my body was warm and I just felt like a contracture or tendonitis, was so painful 5 minutes after that it disapear, now I can said that is probably because One day jogging didnt step well and felt like the achilles tendon had a injury, the funny part is that I dont feel nothing and painless can run, jump, play soccer everytjinh so dont sure what it is, its back when is cold not like pain but some disconfort feeling in the tendon or is just my mind, a betzbone ir tibia is way to go I think for all patients is better to do in summer to have more relaxed muscles and tendons
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Hey maxheight35, can I ask how international calling went for you?
Im trying to do this under the radar solo and am worried that family will call me or vice versa and an international number will show up instead of my contact name. Then Ill have to go on an explanation of why im in Germany.
Did you take or make any calls when you were there and know how it came across to the caller?
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so you just stayed there a month and went home to US? So PT only lasts a month and then you do it yourself?
@SpeedDialer hope to get your input too
Yup. PT on tibias is quite easy!
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R u able to walk normally and drive a car?
Yes, walking normally with a slight limp. Started driving as soon as I got back to the US. 🙏🏼
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If you have a 9-5 job, or have to sit in an office all day everyday then I highly recommend doing tibia. Personally trade crypto so I work from home.
I spend 20 minutes 3x a day stretching tibias. Gym 3 hours a day. The big one is stretching while in the sauna - this helps more than you’d think!
Interesting.. a lot of people do femur but tibia can be more complicated but also more easy for what you said, the real thing is the PT and to not desesperate because it will last long the lengthening, ¿can you work or do daily thinks like normal ? ¿How many hours do you spend in stretching, excercise and pt?
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Oh man. I haven’t used a landline in like 17 years lol. Personally use WhatsApp and Telegram for all my chats / calls.
Hey maxheight35, can I ask how international calling went for you?
Im trying to do this under the radar solo and am worried that family will call me or vice versa and an international number will show up instead of my contact name. Then Ill have to go on an explanation of why im in Germany.
Did you take or make any calls when you were there and know how it came across to the caller?
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Yup. PT on tibias is quite easy!
is it because you can use your hands to move the lower leg and stuff. The femur pt require this stretch band thing right?
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In shock you can walk normally, you just leave you crutches in germany and never used again in USA doing you life, normally people think tibias are the worst and complicated. Im thinking right now on tibias.. nice to know you progress, keep going mate
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In shock you can walk normally, you just leave you crutches in germany and never used again in USA doing you life, normally people think tibias are the worst and complicated. Im thinking right now on tibias.. nice to know you progress, keep going mate
only with weight bearing nails. Precice will be total bed rest for months but still I'll be doing precice.
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only with weight bearing nails. Precice will be total bed rest for months but still I'll be doing precice.
Can I ask why?
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is it because you can use your hands to move the lower leg and stuff. The femur pt require this stretch band thing right?
Smaller muscle groups. In the femurs you have 5!
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In shock you can walk normally, you just leave you crutches in germany and never used again in USA doing you life, normally people think tibias are the worst and complicated. Im thinking right now on tibias.. nice to know you progress, keep going mate
Yeah man. Left them in Germany! Staying longer to get used to everything and get in a solid routine also helped a lot.
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only with weight bearing nails. Precice will be total bed rest for months but still I'll be doing precice.
Personally would not recommend this. Travel to Germany, visit Becker and meet his team. Big benefits including max lengthening potential, weight bearing nails, limited bed rest!
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Hi Max,
Just wondering when you'll be updating your Instagram documentary?
Also, how much have you lengthened thus far? Are you still aiming for 10cm in tibias?
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Oh man. I haven’t used a landline in like 17 years lol. Personally use WhatsApp and Telegram for all my chats / calls.
Landline? haha same here. No Im talking cell phone. Like if my folks from the US call me in Germany does the call come across weird where they would know its an international call. Or vice versa if I called them would my name come up on their caller ID or some weird international number. Thats what Im wondering. Trying to do this solo....
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Hi Max,
Just wondering when you'll be updating your Instagram documentary?
Also, how much have you lengthened thus far? Are you still aiming for 10cm in tibias?
Hey man. IG is updated on the regular. You can view all past videos, segmented by weeks, in the story highlights. I’m around 4cm so far. And yes aiming for 10cm
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Landline? haha same here. No Im talking cell phone. Like if my folks from the US call me in Germany does the call come across weird where they would know its an international call. Or vice versa if I called them would my name come up on their caller ID or some weird international number. Thats what Im wondering. Trying to do this solo....
Oh yeah I think it would just show up as your name.
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Hey Max, thanks for documenting the journey. Would be great if you could do a Youtube channel one day - would be much more convenient than watching it on Instagram.
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Hey Max, thanks for documenting the journey. Would be great if you could do a Youtube channel one day - would be much more convenient than watching it on Instagram.
Instagram is great because it’s fast, instant and unedited content. You can easily watch all past videos on the highlight reels.
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How did you prepared for this surgery?
Did you made any stretches or did you lost any weight before hand? What are some good tips(that you made) and helped you a lot regarding to this point?
Thanks for sharing and speedy recovery.
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I did a bunch of extra cardio a week before surgery, cut out caffeine, and ate really clean and lean foods. Avoided most processed sugars as well one week prior.
Stretching I didn’t really do anything as I didn’t know what to expect, however when I’m ready to do femurs I’ll most certainly prepare 6 months in advance and make sure I’m as flexible as possible with those muscles. There’s 5 muscle groups in the femur 😅
How did you prepared for this surgery?
Did you made any stretches or did you lost any weight before hand? What are some good tips(that you made) and helped you a lot regarding to this point?
Thanks for sharing and speedy recovery.
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Hey did they offer any payment plans. I want to do femurs but don't have 60k saved up currently
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Do you feel Becker for Betzbone tibia and then betzone femur is the best option for most people who want to do both? More expensive than Giotikas and also Germany is more expensive than Greece--- but it gives you weight bearing tibias and sort of lets you stick to one doctor (well ability to stick to one team of <becker and betz> I mean) for weight bearing femur + weight bearing tibia.
I sort of think it might be worth it for people to save up more money and wait and go with Becker/Betz instead of Giotikas for this reason. Because it will be less disruptive to their lives and also Betz said in his youtube interview (now taken down) that his nail might be easier for clicking, at least it looks that way on youtube vid demonstrations of it compared to gnail clicking vids
The precise 2 tibia patients I've talked to so far in Athens have done about 4 cm tibias then it got tight and they stopped. HeightJourney on this forum in the USA stopped at 3.5 cm I believe with precise 2 tibias. I am thinking maybe 3.5-4.5 cm might be best for precise 2 tibias based on this. I am not sure if swimming pool walking + slower lengthening + losing weight so can do standing stretches earlier could help for precise 2 tibias push it to 5cm. But it seems hard to beat the ability to do standing stretches right off the bat and use your whole body weight to stretch the calves.
If someone does precise 2 tibias, their stretching ability feels as if it is limited by:
1. How often they stretch/how strong their arms are for stretching the calves with the bands
2. How long they can tolerate wearing the braces/splints that stretch the calves
3. The manual PT done on their calves
4. Depending on their bodyweight/what size precise 2 nail they put on them/their bone growth it could take a while to start standing stretches or slant board stretches
So idk maybe precise 2 tibia patients should have more manual PT stretches done on them
I'm under the impression that betzbone 2.0 tibias is just not very disruptive to people's lives compared to the other options? More freedom than precise 2 tibias, more freedom/less pain than externals, less pain than femurs
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Max said that femur has 5 muscles groups, not sure how much the tibia has, probably someone know the answer but yes probably is more maneable, is serms good option tibia on betz
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Curious - why cut out caffeine?
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Hey did they offer any payment plans. I want to do femurs but don't have 60k saved up currently
Email them and ask. freiburg@betzinstitute.com
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Hey man. Yes I do think it’s worth to do both with Becker using the Betz Bone.
Simple reason is because you don’t just get the surgery and the best lengthening nail, you get probably the highest quality of aftercare support in the whole industry, and you’re in one of the best hotels in all of Germany with cute girls, very nice people, great food, etc.
I genuinely miss my time at the hotel!
Do you feel Becker for Betzbone tibia and then betzone femur is the best option for most people who want to do both? More expensive than Giotikas and also Germany is more expensive than Greece--- but it gives you weight bearing tibias and sort of lets you stick to one doctor (well ability to stick to one team of <becker and betz> I mean) for weight bearing femur + weight bearing tibia.
I sort of think it might be worth it for people to save up more money and wait and go with Becker/Betz instead of Giotikas for this reason. Because it will be less disruptive to their lives and also Betz said in his youtube interview (now taken down) that his nail might be easier for clicking, at least it looks that way on youtube vid demonstrations of it compared to gnail clicking vids
The precise 2 tibia patients I've talked to so far in Athens have done about 4 cm tibias then it got tight and they stopped. HeightJourney on this forum in the USA stopped at 3.5 cm I believe with precise 2 tibias. I am thinking maybe 3.5-4.5 cm might be best for precise 2 tibias based on this. I am not sure if swimming pool walking + slower lengthening + losing weight so can do standing stretches earlier could help for precise 2 tibias push it to 5cm. But it seems hard to beat the ability to do standing stretches right off the bat and use your whole body weight to stretch the calves.
If someone does precise 2 tibias, their stretching ability feels as if it is limited by:
1. How often they stretch/how strong their arms are for stretching the calves with the bands
2. How long they can tolerate wearing the braces/splints that stretch the calves
3. The manual PT done on their calves
4. Depending on their bodyweight/what size precise 2 nail they put on them/their bone growth it could take a while to start standing stretches or slant board stretches
So idk maybe precise 2 tibia patients should have more manual PT stretches done on them
I'm under the impression that betzbone 2.0 tibias is just not very disruptive to people's lives compared to the other options? More freedom than precise 2 tibias, more freedom/less pain than externals, less pain than femurs
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Curious - why cut out caffeine?
Actually have no idea lol. My ex girlfriend would cut out caffeine a week before she would get surgery so I just did the same.
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Lol, well it does do some things to your vessels/blood flow so maybe could make sense.
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Hi congratulations on your journey sounds amazing! Can I ask the best way to get in contact with the betz institute, I have tried emailing them but can’t get a reply back.
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Hi congratulations on your journey sounds amazing! Can I ask the best way to get in contact with the betz institute, I have tried emailing them but can’t get a reply back.
They should respond. Maybe it’s slow because of the Holidays
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Hi Max,
How's week 12 of the lengthening been so far? Any more pain during lengthening, clicking?
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Hi Max,
How's week 12 of the lengthening been so far? Any more pain during lengthening, clicking?
It’s going great! Check the IG story and Week 12 highlight for a new clicking video. This is the best clicking I’ve done since during the whole process.
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Hey max I saw more than 11 clicks on you IG, are you allow or you feel any pain with extra 11 clicks?
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OP , could you mention how much you have lengethened every time you post here , I don't have IG and its difficult to track your progress
you were around 4cm on december 22nd 2022
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OP , could you mention how much you have lengethened every time you post here , I don't have IG and its difficult to track your progress
you were around 4cm on december 22nd 2022
I’m currently at 5.24cm. I recommend you get Instagram and watch all the videos I’ve posted throughout the last few months.
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hi，i followed ur INS and may i know after surgery，how long time do u need to stay in bed？w unable to move around？
thx u so much
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Just posted a new video of me walking. Week 14 LFG 🚀
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Are you feeling much tightness yet? How many hours each day are you stretching?
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How many hours per day are you stretching at this point?
How many days PT are you doing per week?
How many days per week are you going to the gym?
What is your current gym routine?
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Just posted a new video of me walking. Week 14 LFG 🚀
Hi dude
I noticed that your walking gait is not as stable as what you had in Week 8.
Is that normal or due to slight ballerina feet you have?
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your crazy in a good way
rooting for you so hard and I will watch all your progress... reallllly making me consider Germany as its considerably cheaper and the weightbearing seems pretty great...
if you can get 22cm that will be the greatest thing ive seen on here but from what ive read that seems impossible.
do you care to keep your running ability? or do you just want maximum height. You make me feel conservative trying to get 15-16cm :-\
scars look great too... not sure if I trust betz/becker yet as I never trusted them on letting people go so high but now very curious...
Pro's of being in Germany... when you come home you'll feel like you gained even ore height because the germans are so tall
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your crazy in a good way
rooting for you so hard and I will watch all your progress... reallllly making me consider Germany as its considerably cheaper and the weightbearing seems pretty great...
if you can get 22cm that will be the greatest thing ive seen on here but from what ive read that seems impossible.
do you care to keep your running ability? or do you just want maximum height. You make me feel conservative trying to get 15-16cm :-\
scars look great too... not sure if I trust betz/becker yet as I never trusted them on letting people go so high but now very curious...
Pro's of being in Germany... when you come home you'll feel like you gained even ore height because the germans are so tall
Not at all in a good way.
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Not at all in a good way.
good if it works bad if it doesn't. just admire this guys balls
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Are you feeling much tightness yet? How many hours each day are you stretching?
I stretch for 5 minutes in the morning, afternoon, evening in the sauna, and then again right before bed. My girlfriend also does 15 minute massage on each foot and ankle every night before bed.
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Hi dude
I noticed that your walking gait is not as stable as what you had in Week 8.
Is that normal or due to slight ballerina feet you have?
Yes the walk has definitely gotten more aggressive at this stage. I don’t know if I’ll make it to 10cm the pain is starting to get worse and centralized in the feet and ankles!
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Thanks bro. I appreciate your support!
Yeah I can’t tell you how good the setup is with Dr Becker. I’ve explained it here a few times but I predict he will be the new top LL surgeon in a very short time. They’re already booked up until next summer 😳
your crazy in a good way
rooting for you so hard and I will watch all your progress... reallllly making me consider Germany as its considerably cheaper and the weightbearing seems pretty great...
if you can get 22cm that will be the greatest thing ive seen on here but from what ive read that seems impossible.
do you care to keep your running ability? or do you just want maximum height. You make me feel conservative trying to get 15-16cm :-\
scars look great too... not sure if I trust betz/becker yet as I never trusted them on letting people go so high but now very curious...
Pro's of being in Germany... when you come home you'll feel like you gained even ore height because the germans are so tall
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Bro keep it up you got this. No pain no gain. I think 10cm could definitely still be achieved if you increase that stretching time
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Yes the walk has definitely gotten more aggressive at this stage. I don’t know if I’ll make it to 10cm the pain is starting to get worse and centralized in the feet and ankles!
Do not permanently disable yourself. Listen to your body. There are people who look back and wish they did less. Not trying to discourage you just want you to have a good outcome.
Best of luck
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Hi，bro.
How long time do u have to stay in bed and cannot move without others help，after surgery？
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Bro keep it up you got this. No pain no gain. I think 10cm could definitely still be achieved if you increase that stretching time
LFG 💪
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Do not permanently disable yourself. Listen to your body. There are people who look back and wish they did less. Not trying to discourage you just want you to have a good outcome.
Best of luck
Absolutely, you are correct. I’ll listen to the body and definitely stop when I truly feel it’s time. Intuition is powerful 🙏
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Hi，bro.
How long time do u have to stay in bed and cannot move without others help，after surgery？
I was walking on crutches and riding the bike exactly 48 hours after surgery. I was surprised! Dr Becker and his team really are top notch and motivate you to be active and walking as soon as possible. And I’ll admit - it helped a lot, I was off crutches fully on the second week after surgery.
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Absolutely, you are correct. I’ll listen to the body and definitely stop when I truly feel it’s time. Intuition is powerful 🙏
yes, this is more important. I made that mistake and i'm still disabled, i did LON on tibia and got a looot of complications, nerve damage, delayed union, etc. I'm getting better but i could prevent all of this had i listened to my body when it was screaming to stop. Function is more important than height.
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yes, this is more important. I made that mistake and i'm still disabled, i did LON on tibia and got a looot of complications, nerve damage, delayed union, etc. I'm getting better but i could prevent all of this had i listened to my body when it was screaming to stop. Function is more important than height.
Wow. Are you still able to walk? How much height did you gain, and how long as it been since you finished lengthening?
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hi，bro.
How about the food in hospital and hotel？
I concern about whether i need to bring some instant food？
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Started walking on the treadmill today. Level .05 speed and level 2.0 incline. Wow it was hard! New video is up on the Instagram story + Week 15 highlight reel 🚀
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hi，bro.
How about the food in hospital and hotel？
I concern about whether i need to bring some instant food？
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hi，bro.
How about the food in hospital and hotel？
I concern about whether i need to bring some instant food？
The food is great. Very high quality. I personally had hotel food everyday but the clinic food is literally the same thing just made differently.
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Started walking on the treadmill today. Level .05 speed and level 2.0 incline. Wow it was hard! New video is up on the Instagram story + Week 15 highlight reel 🚀
U meant u didnt do any treadmill walk until now?
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Started walking on the treadmill today. Level .05 speed and level 2.0 incline. Wow it was hard! New video is up on the Instagram story + Week 15 highlight reel 🚀
8)
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Seen you've completed lengthening at week 16. Congrats Max, how are you currently feeling now?
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Congrats on finishing lengthening. The feeling must be amazing.
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how many cms did you do OP ?
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So happy to read maxheight's experience as someone considering lengthening only tibias for 5cm. Going back home and already driving and walking after only a month is wonderful.
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how many cms did you do OP ?
Worth checking out my bro’s instagram 8). He achieved 7.62cm which is exactly 3 inches. He is doing very well now and recovering well.
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good job bro, glad you stopped, I feel like going past 7 In the tibs is stupidly risky. how's recovery going?
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So happy to read maxheight's experience as someone considering lengthening only tibias for 5cm. Going back home and already driving and walking after only a month is wonderful.
the magic of weight bearing
however I feel he is also lucky.
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Just realized OP did tibias and not femurs. A whole 3 inches on tibs is actually insane - very impressive. If he comes back and does 10cm on femurs he could get up to a solid 5'10 from 5'3. That's literally life changing
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This is insane.
Btw, did you get a medical Visa/ how long prior did you apply for?
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Just realized OP did tibias and not femurs. A whole 3 inches on tibs is actually insane - very impressive. If he comes back and does 10cm on femurs he could get up to a solid 5'10 from 5'3. That's literally life changing
No more update from him???
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I really appreciated if you update from here also. How is the recovery going?
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If you have recent imaging data please put it at this thread. Redact any information that could be used to dox you.
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I really appreciate your effort to show your journey in your highlights. I only wonder, since you could walk again after a few weeks, but you were still in the lenghtening progress, how exactly does this limit your daily life? Were you comfortable enough after 1-2 months to go to the cinema, or what about a bar (standing up)? And driving a car?
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I really appreciate your effort to show your journey in your highlights. I only wonder, since you could walk again after a few weeks, but you were still in the lenghtening progress, how exactly does this limit your daily life? Were you comfortable enough after 1-2 months to go to the cinema, or what about a bar (standing up)? And driving a car?
For me after 1-2months going outside even for hours is was very tiring. Your not going to want to go to movies or bar. Then you have to go home to stretch. You also cant drink alchol with the meds.
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I really appreciated if you update from here also. How is the recovery going?
May be something happened to him
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May be something happened to him
Nothing happened to him. Otherwise he would post here. Most people who finish LL just want to live their life, so they stay off the internet.
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Thanks for the clarification. But I do feel there is a big difference between how much you can do during the process with tebia vs femur. Ive seen some stories of people doing femur who cant do much for almost half a year, whereas the topic host was walking fine again quickly.
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This dude dropped off the face of the earth. Wonder how its going.
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same
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Max didi tibia by more than 7cm was thinking if with betz he could do femur and tibia at the same time (cuatriletaral) with betz nail?.. personally Im thinking of do it 9cm in grece but doint in 4 segments with internal nail sounds good .. imagine in 3 month you could reach 15 cm internal
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Max didi tibia by more than 7cm was thinking if with betz he could do femur and tibia at the same time (cuatriletaral) with betz nail?.. personally Im thinking of do it 9cm in grece but doint in 4 segments with internal nail sounds good .. imagine in 3 month you could reach 15 cm internal
What’s the point of 15 cm if you’ll never be able to walk up stairs again
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If you do femur and tibia with care and time its possible.. people have longer more i guess
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On the website it says they basically dont do both at the same time.
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Almost all od the doctor do it even paley, didnt lnow betz did not do 4 segments at the same time
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Whether there is insurance for this operation. Will there be any compensation if the operation fails？If there was health insurance, then I would be more comfortable with the surgery
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Whether there is insurance for this operation. Will there be any compensation if the operation fails？If there was health insurance, then I would be more comfortable with the surgery
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Almost all od the doctor do it even paley, didnt lnow betz did not do 4 segments at the same time
Dr.Becker is not doing 4 segment at the same time!
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Whether there is insurance for this operation. Will there be any compensation if the operation fails？If there was health insurance, then I would be more comfortable with the surgery
If you are talking operation insurance, the answer is no.
You will be requested to sign the pre-surgery contract.
In General, no doctor will give you 100% warranty for any operation, not to mention LL surgery.
If you want 100% coverage, my advise to you -- Give up and do not do it!
Keep your legs short and healthy. ;D
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Hey Max how are you doing how is your recovery did you stat your second surgery?