Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: shortisnotfun on December 17, 2022, 08:39:05 PM
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December 17th at 11:38PM in Istanbul.
Greetings everyone.
I'm just getting out of surgery with Dr Yuksel Yurttas in Istanbul. I did LON Tibias.
My starting height is 160cm and I wish to get 5-6cm.
I am literally out of the surgery since 15 minutes ago, and would like share my progress and my journey. Hopefully there aren't complications.
Also, the doctor could not put a intermedullary nail in my tibia bone. He said the gap is too narrow for it to go. I will be putting the IM nail in after I finish lengthening. Hopefully that goes well, and there are no deformity issues or non union issues due to no nail.
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Hopefully everything goes well for you. Keep us updated :D
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It's extremely loud outside of this hospital. Feels like I'm next to a circus or something.
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Hopefully everything goes well for you. Keep us updated :D
Thank you, same to you as well.
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How bad is the pain after surgery?
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How bad is the pain after surgery?
Immediately after the surgery it's about a 2.
A couple of hours after the surgery it's like an 8-8.5.
Constant throbbing pain.
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Did you meet the Looksmaxxing channel guy? How is he doing? He did it there too right?
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Did you meet the Looksmaxxing channel guy? How is he doing? He did it there too right?
I did not, but I didn't step out of the room much either. Maybe he went back to the US?
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Whats ur experience with Yuksel? How do u find him?
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Whats ur experience with Yuksel? How do u find him?
Seems okay from first impression. I'll let you know how it goes by with time.
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I have constant 7/10 pain here in the hospital. I have a spinal paracetamol injection in my back but even that doesn't do anything to the pain. I can barely sleep and wake up every 3 hours. On top of that, it's extremely loud outside my hospital room with cars honking for literally no reason. I feel sad and depressed.
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2 1/2 days after surgery, still in the hospital. I'm able to bend my knees completely and my feet and ankle work. I'm still numb in my right leg and I've been numb since 2 days. It's like running a marathon to even bend my knees.
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Hey ! If everything goes according to plan for me, maybe we'll meet each other in a couple months :)
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Hey ! If everything goes according to plan for me, maybe we'll meet each other in a couple months :)
Nice! All I can say is be prepared man, and make sure this is something you really want to do. None of the patients here sugar coated me the procedure, the consultant didn't sugar coat me or sell me a dream, neither did the doctor.
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I have constant 7/10 pain here in the hospital. I have a spinal paracetamol injection in my back but even that doesn't do anything to the pain. I can barely sleep and wake up every 3 hours. On top of that, it's extremely loud outside my hospital room with cars honking for literally no reason. I feel sad and depressed.
"cars honking for literally no reason" welcome to Turkey :(
What's the hospital name? Mine was so quiet might be because of good quality windows. I think tibia is much more painful than femur. Stay strong my friend, people say that with the passage of time the pain eases
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"cars honking for literally no reason" welcome to Turkey :(
What's the hospital name? Mine was so quiet might be because of good quality windows. I think tibia is much more painful than femur. Stay strong my friend, people say that with the passage of time the pain eases
Esencan Hospital. And my window is literally outside a busy street. >:(
Yeah, I've heard that too. Tibia pain is sharper compared to Femur. Atleast that's what I've heard.
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Believe me..there is nothing i want done more than this haha. Can you tell me how come the doctor did not put an intermodulary nail in the bone ? I thought you had to have an internal nail in the bone. Is it possible to lengthen with no internal nail ? Also do you know how common is it for the bone to be too narrow on the femur ?
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Believe me..there is nothing i want done more than this haha. Can you tell me how come the doctor did not put an intermodulary nail in the bone ? I thought you had to have an internal nail in the bone. Is it possible to lengthen with no internal nail ? Also do you know how common is it for the bone to be narrow on the femur ?
I am really tiny. I'm 5 foot 3 and like 100 pounds. So my bone canal was tiny as well. The doctor said I'd be able to use just fixator without the IM nail. Hopefully that's right and I don't get non union or deformity issues.
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Good luck Bro ! I'll be reading your posts everyday :)
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It's really hard to sleep right now. Without painkillers it's impossible. I have only slept maybe 8 hours in the past 3 days.
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Out of curiosity, how old are you and why did you decide to do the LON method?
Good luck on your journey!
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I'm wondering how he will put the nail if your bone is not suitable for it at the first place?
Weird.. I hope you would not end up as like the guy in the youtube who broke his bone, his doctor was also DrYuksel.. Be careful..
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I'm wondering how he will put the nail if your bone is not suitable for it at the first place?
Weird.. I hope you would not end up as like the guy in the youtube who broke his bone, his doctor was also DrYuksel.. Be careful..
A even smaller nail than previous patients. He said my bone canal was even smaller than his other patients
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To be clear, I currently have monorail fixators without an internal nail.
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A even smaller nail than previous patients. He said my bone canal was even smaller than his other patients
It might not be a necesarrily bad thing as we all know stryde nail patients have had difficulties in bone healing because of full weight bearing. Dr. Assayag says bone needs to feel the force. But you should defintely be really careful after the fixator removal. Can you share your xrays with us?
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How much is Yuksel charging, if I may ask
Seems like a lot of Turkey related diaries at the moment.
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Who is the guy on youtube ?? Any links ?
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Who is the guy on youtube ?? Any links ?
https://youtu.be/31t8CafApwc (https://youtu.be/31t8CafApwc)
He's probably crippled for his whole life. He cannot walk, even 5 weeks after the surgery. No fixation of fibula bones which will cause severe arthritis later in life. He has severe ballerina foot which is very hard to fix. He also suffered from pinsite infection. LON is the worst method you can do since you connect the outer world with your bone marrow.
At 1:02 you can hear his desperation.
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OMG :-\ Looks brutal. How did he end up in this position ? What kind of complications ?
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OMG :-\ Looks brutal. How did he end up in this position ? What kind of complications ?
He also did maxillary advancement surgery: https://youtu.be/AM0EbtU5n84 (https://youtu.be/AM0EbtU5n84)
But it failed, as well. So he reported it as a scam: https://youtu.be/PEw0JIiFjwc (https://youtu.be/PEw0JIiFjwc)
He's planning to go home on the 29th
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https://youtu.be/31t8CafApwc (https://youtu.be/31t8CafApwc)
He's probably crippled for his whole life. He cannot walk, even 5 weeks after the surgery. No fixation of fibula bones which will cause severe arthritis later in life. He has severe ballerina foot which is very hard to fix. He also suffered from pinsite infection. LON is the worst method you can do since you connect the outer world with your bone marrow.
At 1:02 you can hear his desperation.
Ouch, I saw that video. He has a new video out now as well. Not sure why he did LL at 5'11 and like 200 pounds.
https://youtu.be/yweCXGEZo9Q
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Every single day is a blur. And I'm starting to hate the sound of cars and the daily prayer outside in Istanbul. It's annoying af
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Can you stand up and pee ? How about going to the bathroom ? Did they put the catherer inside you ?
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Can you stand up and pee ? How about going to the bathroom ? Did they put the catherer inside you ?
They put a catheter in me but I requested for it to be taken out because I didn't want to go through pee pee troubles after having it in lol. I haven't tried to go take a dump yet. I can pee perfectly fine. I don't get boners but that's probably because I'm in a hospital surrounded by pain and my legs are broken.
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Your legs feel like they're 1000 pounds. It's not an exaggeration. It's hard to describe because you usually can lift your legs up by command, but after LL it's extremely difficult to lift your legs up or do any motion really.
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You haven't taken a dump in 3 days ?? Can i ask them not to use the catherer before going into the surgery sounds like torture to me
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You haven't taken a dump in 3 days ?? Can i ask them not to use the catherer before going into the surgery sounds like torture to me
I haven't, but I also haven't eaten much so.
I'm not sure if you can ask them to do that since when you're under anesthesia, the bottom half of your body literally doesn't work. So you poop, piss, etc without even knowing it. You can take out the catheter a couple of days after, just know that there is sharp pain when taking it out. Lasted like 1 second, and I screamed at the nurse so loud when took it out she got extremely angry lol.
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Did you get partial or full anaesthesia ? I've read somewhere that you don't need the catherer if you go for full anaesthesia. A lot of doctors don't use it anyways. I'd rather swim in my pee than have that thing in me. How about the poop, how do they collect it ?
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Did you get partial or full anaesthesia ? I've read somewhere that you don't need the catherer if you go for full anaesthesia. A lot of doctors don't use it anyways. I'd rather swim in my pee than have that thing in me. How about the poop, how do they collect it ?
You get local anasthesia and an sedative. You're awake during the surgery but so sedated 3 hours feels like 3 minutes. You can wake up on command though. You won't be able to see anything. When I was under anasthesia, I fell asleep and it felt like I floated to a different world.
Catheter and pooping is the least of your worries, trust me.
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You haven't taken a dump in 3 days ?? Can i ask them not to use the catherer before going into the surgery sounds like torture to me
"Can i ask them not to use the catherer" you can but you really shouldnt. First 3-4 days is extremly difficult to move arround. Catheter is so convenient and also you pee a lot maybe x2-3 times more than usual. Especially when doing femur you want to have catheter. You dont feel anything anyways
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Just ate. In a lot of pain but feeling 35% better than day 2.
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Just took my first steps. Holy it felt like I was running a marathon. I walked like 10 steps and had to go back because I felt like I was going to pass out.
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One thing about walking is that it's exhausting, but any numbness and muscle pain due to being stationary that you have compeltely vanishes afterwards. I don't feel numb anymore.
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Took my second steps. Exhausting still, but getting better slowly by 10%.
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It's weird that my pain disappears after I walk. Hopefully I'm not jinxing it or anything.
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Like what's the best way to describe the pain? On a previous thread I made you said it was 8/10 painful, but is that just for first few days/week?
It's weird that my pain disappears after I walk. Hopefully I'm not jinxing it or anything.
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Like what's the best way to describe the pain? On a previous thread I made you said it was 8/10 painful, but is that just for first few days/week?
The best way to describe the pain:
Like having a 1000 pound weight on your legs. And kicking your shin extremely hard against a wall (the hardest bone crushing kick you could think of). You know when you usually have pain, the pain goes away after some time? Maybe not minutes, but a couple of hours? Not this. The pain is constant for hours and sometimes even days.
Even morphine did not help.
As of right now, my pain returns after an hour of walking. After a couple of minutes of walking, the pain usually subsided, but returns after being stationary. Being stationary is the worst for pain I believe even if it hurts to walk.
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How much is Yuksel charging, if I may ask
Seems like a lot of Turkey related diaries at the moment.
I paid 23000 euros.
A lot of Turkish related diaries, but I assure you I am not a promoter. I will speak my mind on any complications I experience.
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Alright I just took a dump by myself. It was exhausting still but like 2x easier than before to go and walk to the toilet. I feel myself getting stronger and stronger everyday.
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Alright I just took a dump by myself. It was exhausting still but like 2x easier than before to go and walk to the toilet. I feel myself getting stronger and stronger everyday.
"I just took a dump by myself" the biggest milestone in LL if you ask me ;D
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Woke up today. Have about 2/10 pain. Still difficult to move and stuff though.
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Walked with a walker to the bathroom again today. Exhausting but again 10% easier than yesterday.
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Isn't the LON method a weight bearing nail?
Walked with a walker to the bathroom again today. Exhausting but again 10% easier than yesterday.
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Isn't the LON method a weight bearing nail?
It's weight bearing and I can stand by myself definitely. But the thing is your muscles are very weak and you need a walker. I wouldn't recommend doing LON without a walker, your muscles are very weak after surgery. It's hard to explain if you haven't gone through it but it's like a heraculean effort simple things like moving your legs.
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How long do you think you'll be required to keep using the walker? This was main reason (alongside comfort) why I've gone against doing the LON method.
It's weight bearing and I can stand by myself definitely. But the thing is your muscles are very weak and you need a walker. I wouldn't recommend doing LON without a walker, your muscles are very weak after surgery. It's hard to explain if you haven't gone through it but it's like a heraculean effort simple things like moving your legs.
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How long do you think you'll be required to keep using the walker? This was main reason (alongside comfort) why I've gone against doing the LON method.
For a long time think around 4 months. You'll need to use a walker for pretty much every method. LL isn't a walk in the park as you think, even I thought I would be able to walk unassisted soon. But the reality is much different once you go through the procedure.
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It looks like I'll be discharged tomorrow. Hopefully it goes well.
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Did my first lengthening at the hospital today. I was scared and it had me shaking. It's uncomfortable and slightly makes your muscles tight again.
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Also, I've noticed my right leg hurts slightly more than my left leg. My right leg was also more numb than my left leg these past days in the hospital. May be my weak leg.
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How long do you think you'll be required to keep using the walker? This was main reason (alongside comfort) why I've gone against doing the LON method.
You should be using walker all day throughout the distraction phase. I am sure I can walk without walker but its dangerous. I tripped on the carpet yesterday. If I didn't have my walker, I would have fallen and possibly damage screws
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It might not be a necesarrily bad thing as we all know stryde nail patients have had difficulties in bone healing because of full weight bearing.
This is like saying watch out if you eat too much you will loose weight. Weight bearing is only beneficial for recovery. There is no way how active training and pulling blood to the fracture site is bad for bone healing haha Makes no sense whatsoever.
With other weightbearing nails there is rarely ever an issue with bone healing in femur so it might be a stryde/tibia related problem but definitely not weightbearing.
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Did you get partial or full anaesthesia ? I've read somewhere that you don't need the catherer if you go for full anaesthesia. A lot of doctors don't use it anyways. I'd rather swim in my pee than have that thing in me. How about the poop, how do they collect it ?
I can explain that a bit to you.
Regional will always need a catheter for a few days or so because you can‘t control your lower body really.
General will also need a catheter but only after a certain surgery time and only for a short time afterwards (some nice doctors take it out while you are still unconscious).
I did general and was under 3 1/2h, didn‘t have one. You don‘t just pee yourself, rather you CAN‘T pee because heavy opioids will make it impossible to do so. When I awoke the worst pain was my bladder. Felt like exploding but couldn‘t pee for an hour. Was horrible but after an hour it went away and I just peed in a bottle (no reason to have a catheter at that point, you just pee normally with a bottle between your legs, so what this user “QuarkSoup” writes here is not true. Catheter extraction is painful to almost everyone. While it’s inside you most likely won’t feel it, that’s true. - for femur just go general with a doctor who doesn’t take ages and won’t need a catheter. Paley for example also doesn’t use one for femur because it’s a quicker surgery).
In hindsight I still was glad I didn‘t have one. The dangers of not having one for even longer is urine dripping back to the kidneys and irreversibly damaging them.
I was at the upper limit of not having to have a catheter. Tibia would take 4h+ and there I would have had one during the surgery.
Poop on the other hand is much less dangerous and much less urgent. It‘s normal to not have bowel movement for a few days. Some patients need laxatives after 3-5 days but for me it just came back normally after 3 or 4 days. No problem.
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Did my second lengthening.
Does anyone know why it doesn't hurt to lengthen my left leg? I do it and there's no pain at all. But I lengthened my right leg and it hurts? There's no other way to describe it.
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Did my second lengthening.
Does anyone know why it doesn't hurt to lengthen my left leg? I do it and there's no pain at all. But I lengthened my right leg and it hurts? There's no other way to describe it.
You don't lenthen too much right? Make sure you understood the instructions properly because I don't think anyone can feel anything with 0.025cm increment.
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You don't lenthen too much right? Make sure you understood the instructions properly because I don't think anyone can feel anything with 0.025cm increment.
Yeah, it's exactly 0.25mm. But I still feel pain in my right leg when lengthening, nothing in my left leg.
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This is like saying watch out if you eat too much you will loose weight. Weight bearing is only beneficial for recovery. There is no way how active training and pulling blood to the fracture site is bad for bone healing haha Makes no sense whatsoever.
With other weightbearing nails there is rarely ever an issue with bone healing in femur so it might be a stryde/tibia related problem but definitely not weightbearing.
"definetely not weightbearing" I think we should listen to Dr. Assayag. If the device takes all the force and leaves nothing to the bone, the bone will have trouble healing. This is why Dr. Assayag doesnt like stryde. He explains it beautifully at 48:50 during interview with cyborg4life. I dont know why but the video isnt shown up here.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=YWKWeN_n81Y&feature=share
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Awesome. thank you for the information !
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"definetely not weightbearing" I think we should listen to Dr. Assayag. If the device takes all the force and leaves nothing to the bone, the bone will have trouble healing. This is why Dr. Assayag doesnt like stryde. He explains it beautifully at 48:50 during interview with cyborg4life. I dont know why but the video isnt shown up here.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=YWKWeN_n81Y&feature=share
He is the only Doctor saying that. Ask Paley he tells you the opposite. I also strongly believe the opposite, from all the cases I have seen. I strongly believes sitting around with non weightbearing is terrible for the recovery. Especially bigger lengthenings than 5cm.
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I feel 2/10 pain now. It just feels like someone really fat is sitting on my tibias when I lay down in bed.
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Pain increased to 4/10 after walking a little bit.
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Put on clothes on. Holy , just picking up my leg to put shorts on gave me excruciating pain. I had to yell to get it on. Also got another set of x-rays done.
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He is the only Doctor saying that. Ask Paley he tells you the opposite. I also strongly believe the opposite, from all the cases I have seen. I strongly believes sitting around with non weightbearing is terrible for the recovery. Especially bigger lengthenings than 5cm.
but why did assayag say this, he is supposed to be knowledgeable isnt he
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but why did assayag say this, he is supposed to be knowledgeable isnt he
Different doctors can have different opinions I guess.
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How much have you lengthened now?
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My right leg hurts near my shin after I lengthen. It's like 7/10 pain pretty much stops me dead in my tracks and makes me wanna yell out to god. I've lengthen 0.05mm+ 0.05mm. So 1mm.
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Do you have any regrets doing the LON method? If you were financially, in a better position would you have proceeded with the internal method?
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Do you have any regrets doing the LON method? If you were financially, in a better position would you have proceeded with the internal method?
Probably, yeah. LON looks scary and I can't shower so I smell like and my hair smells like .
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but why did assayag say this, he is supposed to be knowledgeable isnt he
I don‘t have the time to watch this long interview now,
I am just assuming this is taken out of context by you guys.
I have spoken to different doctors and the consensus is and was that weightbearing is a huge difference for the better.
I could not ever do this without weightbearing. If I will ever do tibia, I will rather save up money for more years than choose a non weightbearing option.
That‘s the last thing I am saying about this now.
Ps: why did you make a new account to reply XD?
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I don‘t have the time to watch this long interview now,
I am just assuming this is taken out of context by you guys.
I have spoken to different doctors and the consensus is and was that weightbearing is a huge difference for the better.
I could not ever do this without weightbearing. If I will ever do tibia, I will rather save up money for more years than choose a non weightbearing option.
That‘s the last thing I am saying about this now.
Ps: why did you make a new account to reply XD?
All doctors would say the samething because this is how bones form they react to forces applied upon them. If your bones doesnt feel any force you might as well lie all day long samething. Precise is not a full weight bearing nail this is why patients have amazing bone healing while almost all stryde patients experienced non union. Also you don't need to lie down all day long with precise you can walk. Here Jonathan from Institute of Human Anatomy explains it. Video's name is How your bones changes with exercise
https://youtu.be/1gToyjm4NNA
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I'm discharged now, and in the hotel. The hospital ambulance people here drive crazy lol. I'm sitting here, I just spoke to the physiotherapist Fatma. She seems nice and helpful. I still have a lot of pain. The exact muscle is the tibialis anterior muscle I'm pretty sure. That shiz fking hurts.
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All doctors would say the samething because this is how bones form they react to forces applied upon them. If your bones doesnt feel any force you might as well lie all day long samething. Precise is not a full weight bearing nail this is why patients have amazing bone healing while almost all stryde patients experienced non union. Also you don't need to lie down all day long with precise you can walk. Here Jonathan from Institute of Human Anatomy explains it. Video's name is How your bones changes with exercise
https://youtu.be/1gToyjm4NNA
This is just complete bs. Sry but no. Just no. With all due respect. Stop spreading such misinformation.
With precice you can‘t weightbear so you sit and lie around. Your muscles atrophy much more, are harder to stretch and always in a shortened position while sitting in a wheelchair.
That’s the first thing. The second thing is for bone healing it‘s important to have enough nutrients / blood being transported to the fracture site. This is why femur heals quicker (more proximal equals more blood supply in that area).
This is stimulated by walking around/biking/training etc.
Next, wtf “almost all stryde patients experience non union”. Wtf?. All the doctors used stryde and it was the superior nail in all aspects. The reason it got pulled back is corrosion, not nonunion. You just made that up.
I know nobody out of many years of research and doing it myself. Seeing patients. That had nonunion because of weightbearing in femur. The only people that had it were having severe complications like deep bone infection, runaway nail, etc.
But hey at least you can stand up with precice and break some screws, bend the nail or rebreak your bones 8)
Also, the video you send me is entirely out of context and has nothing to do with LL. Even if you were to connect bone remodeling over a long term course with immediate fracture healing… it doesn’t make sense at all
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The first couple of days, it's definitely strange because you can feel your bone moving around in your legs. Like even if you lightly touch the fixator, you will have an uncomfortable feeling in your legs from it, like a vibration. Kinda why I hate LON. Maybe I'm just a pussy.
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You must have a strong upper body for this process btw. Make sure your upper body and arms are atleast strong enough to pick your whole body weight up by itself. I used to lift and do weights and stuff so I don't have too much of a problem.
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"my right shin hurts"
"my pain is 2/10 now"
"my pain is 4/10 now"
"i just took a dump"
shortisnotfun is an elite postmaxxer, by end of his LL he will have 8500 posts, GO GO GO SHORT IS NOT FUN YOU GOT THIS
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"my right shin hurts"
"my pain is 2/10 now"
"my pain is 4/10 now"
"i just took a dump"
shortisnotfun is an elite postmaxxer, by end of his LL he will have 8500 posts, GO GO GO SHORT IS NOT FUN YOU GOT THIS
Lol! I'm trying to be as descriptive as possible at the exact moment I feel those pains. Hopefully it's not too annoying or anything.
I just completed another lengthening. Having the same right leg issue where I get a very sharp pain in my tibialis anterior muscle when completing it. Holy it sends you to heaven.
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From the “height” of my older self and my older age, let me try to speculate what is possibly going on here.
-in the last few months we’ve seen an influx of Gnail and Betzbone patients who have practically debunked the older rationale that clicking was an atrocious experience only comparable to torture.
-Together with that we also realised through the same patients that the Greece and Germany options seem to be quite pleasant and that both teams there are quite competent.
-Stride ain’t coming back anytime soon and ita replacement is looking behind schedule as well.
-new prospective patients (from the US too) are starting to move to destinations where they offer weight bearing nails.
-these ain’t anymore 3rd world destinations that people are scared of. And prices and packages are more affordable.
-somebody loosing revenue
-somebody starting to release the hounds to try and run a scaremongering campaign on the people of this forum.
May not be this case, but every time you follow the money, you always get somewhere very interesting.
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Lol! I'm trying to be as descriptive as possible at the exact moment I feel those pains. Hopefully it's not too annoying or anything.
I just completed another lengthening. Having the same right leg issue where I get a very sharp pain in my tibialis anterior muscle when completing it. Holy it sends you to heaven.
Did you talk about this pain with your doctor? I havent done tibia but I really think noone can feel anything while lenghtening merely 0.025cm. Maybe the pain comes from the torque you apply to the device but not from the result of lenghtening itself?
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Do they have only one physiotherapist ? Everytime i watch their videos, they always show only Fatma
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Do they have only one physiotherapist ? Everytime i watch their videos, they always show only Fatma
No they have a couple more.
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Did you talk about this pain with your doctor? I havent done tibia but I really think noone can feel anything while lenghtening merely 0.025cm. Maybe the pain comes from the torque you apply to the device but not from the result of lenghtening itself?
Yeah and I won't shut up about it until it goes away.
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Just had my first physiotherapy session. I was crying and yelling but at the end of it I was really happy because a lot of my pain was gone.
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Seems like the lengthening pain I had in my shins with the tibialis anterior muscle went away after physiotherapy.
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How often will you be xrayed? Yurttas seems like the best in Turkey right now, but how meticulous is he with alignment?
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How often will you be xrayed? Yurttas seems like the best in Turkey right now, but how meticulous is he with alignment?
I've been x-rayed 3 times. I'll show the x-rays when I get them.
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He is in an extreme excruating pain at home.
Beware of this 'doctor' called Yukksel.
He was treated like - it can happen to you as well!
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^^ Thank you, I will always keep it in mind.
I finished another lengthening, don't have pain in my tibialis anterior muscle anymore. I feel like it's going smoothly, but only time will tell.
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I drink so much water a day, I have to go the bathroom like 10 times a day ;D ;D
Atleast I'm staying hydrated. Also, the pain is really controllable now. Now it's just the muscle weakness I'm dealing with.
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My x-rays
https://www.linkpicture.com/q/F1E720B9-C938-4D68-B3DB-7B1E834E6CC2.jpeg
https://www.linkpicture.com/q/E0811FEB-6766-4ABD-9493-04E1219CEEB9.jpeg
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Today was a very painless day. If I hadn't looked down at my feet I would have forgotten I had fixators on and just thought I was extremely sore.
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I feel I can walk right now without any support. No crutches, no walker. I won't try it though as I don't wanna risk anything.
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I had some pretty bad diarrhea today. Reminder to take a poop more often as I won't be able to clean myself as effectively as with LON there are no showers.
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Hi shorrtisnotfun,
what kind of blood thinner do you get? Xarelto?
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Coraspin
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Hi what are the facilities like? I am planning to come in February, how is everything going so far?
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Hi what are the facilities like? I am planning to come in February, how is everything going so far?
Tbh, don't expect anybody to be holding your hand during this process. You're in a hotel, comparable to the US. you are in pretty close proximity to other patients and the staff (think next door). But if you're in the middle of the night, no one can rush over to you if you have a major issue. You'd probably have to call emergency services or the hotel people.
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I had some pretty bad diarrhea today. Reminder to take a poop more often as I won't be able to clean myself as effectively as with LON there are no showers.
I use wet wipes to clean myself they work wonderfully. I wonder how the process works if you need something. People here say they need a table, nuts, shorts, tshirst for example without paying anything extra they get it. Is there something similar going on there too?
(https://s8d6.turboimg.net/t1/83401620_E09813DE-CA49-4F84-941B-C6CB30020C71.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/83401620/E09813DE-CA49-4F84-941B-C6CB30020C71.jpeg.html)
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I use wet wipes to clean myself they work wonderfully. I wonder how the process works if you need something. People here say they need a table, nuts, shorts, tshirst for example without paying anything extra they get it. Is there something similar going on there too?
(https://s8d6.turboimg.net/t1/83401620_E09813DE-CA49-4F84-941B-C6CB30020C71.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/83401620/E09813DE-CA49-4F84-941B-C6CB30020C71.jpeg.html)
Yeah, it's kinda the same way here. They get you stuff without you paying, but I still pay them back because it's just me.
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December 17th at 11:38PM in Istanbul.
Greetings everyone.
I'm just getting out of surgery with Dr Yuksel Yurttas in Istanbul. I did LON Tibias.
My starting height is 160cm and I wish to get 5-6cm.
I am literally out of the surgery since 15 minutes ago, and would like share my progress and my journey. Hopefully there aren't complications.
Also, the doctor could not put a intermedullary nail in my tibia bone. He said the gap is too narrow for it to go. I will be putting the IM nail in after I finish lengthening. Hopefully that goes well, and there are no deformity issues or non union issues due to no nail.
Hey I rather choose osteocarcinoma than being short!
Is this doctor one member of Livelifetaller?
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Hey I rather choose osteocarcinoma than being short!
Is this doctor one member of Livelifetaller?
He's not with LiveLifeTaller. Also, please don't say stuff like that. If you knew about the loneliness and the pain you immediately stop thinking about it trust me, and start counting the days till it's over. One thing about this surgery, it definitely makes you forget about height.
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Stay strong brother you’ve got this! Don’t forget the reason why your there, yes it will be painful and lonely but all will be worth it in the end. Think about how mentally strong you will be in the future to after going through something like this. Do you have a Tv and wi fi in your room? One thing for sure it must be boring as hell!
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Stay strong brother you’ve got this! Don’t forget the reason why your there, yes it will be painful and lonely but all will be worth it in the end. Think about how mentally strong you will be in the future to after going through something like this. Do you have a Tv and wi fi in your room? One thing for sure it must be boring as hell!
It's boring as hell. I have a TV but it only has Turkish channels so no point. I have Wi-Fi so spending my time on the internet all day and on this forum.
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Damn I feel for you, are there no patients around you that you can communicate with?
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Sick and fking tired of the delivery apps tbh. They take fking forever to bring you food. I am so hungry right now.
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If you’re doing LON in Turkey then boring is good. It means you’re not suffering from a complication but just going through the lengthening journey.
Does the hotel have a restaurant or anything similar? Or is it just takeaway everyday?
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Work up and really damn tight today. I definitely need to do more stretching.
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This process is so painful and difficult. Those of you who think y'all will be easily be able to go back to working or something or it's nothing to difficult are gonna get a huge wake up call.
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Guys, if you're doing LON method, it is extremely important for you not to walk bare feet anywhere. Make sure you have slippers on. It's a huge infection risk if you're walking in the bathroom or anywhere really bare foot.
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I'll be on walking on crutches tomorrow and leave the walker. I think they can tell my walking is really good.
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The nurse here is really happy that my insertion scars for the osteotomy and the fibula nail is fading. Also, I had my bandages changed again. Make sure whoever you're doing LL with changes bandages regularly.
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I'll be on walking on crutches tomorrow and leave the walker. I think they can tell my walking is really good.
Do you think it's a good idea switching to crutches? A few days ago I tripped and almost fell if it wasn't for the walker.
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Do you think it's a good idea switching to crutches? A few days ago I tripped and almost fell if it wasn't for the walker.
I should be okay, but I'll try tomorrow. If I have balance issues, I'll leave the crutches and switch back to the walker.
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Got off of the walker today, and will be using crutches from now on. Also, I had to chance to try to walk unassisted, aiding by the nurse. I'm doing pretty well.
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Congrats, how's the pain so far?
Got off of the walker today, and will be using crutches from now on. Also, I had to chance to try to walk unassisted, aiding by the nurse. I'm doing pretty well.
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Congrats, how's the pain so far?
2/10. Really not bad. I don't take painkillers. Also, since I've started using crutches, more of my pain and muscle stiffness has vanished.
Pain during the night ups to a 5/10 and it wakes me up at like 3-4AM everyday though.
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Hello @shortIsNotFun thanks for your update so far please keep them coming, do you think it's possible to work remotely as a programmer while lengthening? Can you focus and do your job ? How's does it feel after 3 weeks of the surgery.
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Hello @shortIsNotFun thanks for your update so far please keep them coming, do you think it's possible to work remotely as a programmer while lengthening? Can you focus and do your job ? How's does it feel after 3 weeks of the surgery.
Possibly. Depends on the individual. Hasn't even been 3 weeks since surgery.
I keep waking up at 3AM at night because of pain. I woke up today due to heel pain. I can't go to sleep. May need sleeping pills.
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Hey nan i see u online hope u doing good mate , how’s your day going and what’s your goal
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Hey nan i see u online hope u doing good mate , how’s your day going and what’s your goal
Day hasn't started. 5CM is goal.
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Got my bandages changed again and had physiotherapy. Fatma is really nice and cares so much about her patients, you can tell. Also, the nurses care a lot as well. I haven't touched the walker since yesterday and prolly will never again.
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I don't have an issue with falling asleep tbh. Around 10PM my eyes get so heavy that it's pretty much impossible for me to stay awake. What I have an issue with is staying asleep. I've noticed I wake up around 3AM every single day with pain. It's not terrible pain, but enough to keep you awake. The physiotherapists said the bones are healing around that time, and that's why you feel pain.
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So, what are your estimates on the overall price for this? How much have you already spent on hotels+the procedure? Keep up the grind, bro, wish you all the luck!
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So, what are your estimates on the overall price for this? How much have you already spent on hotels+the procedure? Keep up the grind, bro, wish you all the luck!
It'll probably be around $25000 USD after all is done.
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If i may ask how do you know about this doctor I don’t read alot of diary about him
Hope he’s a good one , also i see that the max he length to his patients is 8 cm
Buldo can length more than 9 he’s crazy
That’s why I kinda feel some trust about this doctor
8 cm is a safe limit
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If i may ask how do you know about this doctor I don’t read alot of diary about him
Hope he’s a good one , also i see that the max he length to his patients is 8 cm
Buldo can length more than 9 he’s crazy
That’s why I kinda feel some trust about this doctor
8 cm is a safe limit
I don't shill doctors. Do your own research and if you feel comfortable then fine.
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You really can’t shower while doing LON method? Absolute madness
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You really can’t shower while doing LON method? Absolute madness
I apologize, you actually can shower, they just want your osteotomy scars to heal up first (takes three weeks). They give you a type of bag that you put around your tibias and they keep your tibias waterproof. I haven't done it, because I'm scared.
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I'm able to walk with just one crutch now. I feel that I walk with one crutch better than I do with two crutches.
Also, I tried walking unassisted as well by myself like 20 steps. I can do it. It's exhausting but I can do it.
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That's crazy. You haven't showered for over 3 weeks?
You're very strong, you still going to stop at 5cm?
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That's crazy. You haven't showered for over 3 weeks?
You're very strong, you still going to stop at 5cm?
Yeah, I'm going to stop at 5cm. I sound strong but I'm really fking tired of the pain now lol and counting the days till it's over.
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Il be doing this surgery towards the end of February with dr yuksel, if anyone else reading this forum is planning on getting this surgery done from this dr pls private message me. It will be a lot easier doing this surgery with someone who’s going through the same thing.
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I don't have an issue with falling asleep tbh. Around 10PM my eyes get so heavy that it's pretty much impossible for me to stay awake. What I have an issue with is staying asleep. I've noticed I wake up around 3AM every single day with pain. It's not terrible pain, but enough to keep you awake. The physiotherapists said the bones are healing around that time, and that's why you feel pain.
I experience literally the samething. Yesterday I woke up around 3am but didn't force myself to go back to sleep. I went back to sleeping around 6am and woke up around 9am. Somedays I manage to sleep straight 6h though.
Are you going to do the femurs as well? Because femurs are easier to strech maybe you might not feel so much pain.
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I experience literally the samething. Yesterday I woke up around 3am but didn't force myself to go back to sleep. I went back to sleeping around 6am and woke up around 9am. Somedays I manage to sleep straight 6h though.
Are you going to do the femurs as well? Because femurs are easier to strech maybe you might not feel so much pain.
I hope the femurs are easier to stretch! Cause the physiotherapist here fking kills me and makes me cry when she bends my ankles!
Also,
I've been able to walk unassisted about 100 steps. I'm transitioning off the crutches to walking unassisted. Let's see how it goes.
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I have a lot of pain when bending my right knee and my right knee is so stiff as well. Most of my pain comes that portion of my body but my physiotherapist says not to bend knees in order to avoid ballerina foot
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I walk without crutches really well.
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That's crazy. You haven't showered for over 3 weeks?
You're very strong, you still going to stop at 5cm?
I thought the same prior to surgery but you can clean yourself with wet wipes perfectly they dont allow any bacteria buildup. It's been almost 1.5 months for me and I don't feel dirty at all. I think showering is unnecessary risk for LON
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Hello hope everything is okay with u keep updating
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Hello hope everything is okay with u keep updating
I'm okay, days are getting monotonous so. Just recovering, physio, and eating.
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I'm okay, days are getting monotonous so. Just recovering, physio, and eating.
How is your callus/bone developing?
also, i hope you're not lengthening more than 1 mm/ day.
i say you can even slow down towards the end to make sure there's minimal nerve irritation
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How is your callus/bone developing?
also, i hope you're not lengthening more than 1 mm/ day.
i say you can even slow down towards the end to make sure there's minimal nerve irritation
I am not lengthening faster than 1mm/day. In fact, I have been told I can slow down whenever I like. I will slow down as tightness is really strong right now.
My pinsites hurt the most at night. Literally feels like knives poking slowly at your skin. I would definitely recommend internal tibia just to get away from pin site pain.
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What do you eat ? Can you order healthy food or is it mainly fast food on the apps ? Also do you need a turkish number to order food ?
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What do you eat ? Can you order healthy food or is it mainly fast food on the apps ? Also do you need a turkish number to order food ?
There’s healthy food too but it takes time to figure out which one is healthy. is a little bit more expensive. 85% is fast food rich in türkiye flavour (chilly curry paprika).
you need a turkish number to order but they can help you to set the app with someone else’s number so you don’t have to buy a sim card.
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Good luck bro with everything. I’d seen you on here it and I’m glad you went through with it. As someone who finished this and is pretty much recovered and now getting back to athletic activities I can assure you it’s worth it. Life truly is so much better and you forget the time spent in hell doing this.
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I am not lengthening faster than 1mm/day. In fact, I have been told I can slow down whenever I like. I will slow down as tightness is really strong right now.
My pinsites hurt the most at night. Literally feels like knives poking slowly at your skin. I would definitely recommend internal tibia just to get away from pin site pain.
you're doing LATN right?
lengthening and then nailing?
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Good luck bro with everything. I’d seen you on here it and I’m glad you went through with it. As someone who finished this and is pretty much recovered and now getting back to athletic activities I can assure you it’s worth it. Life truly is so much better and you forget the time spent in hell doing this.
Hey! Thanks man. Nice to see your progress as well.
And you're right, it truly is hell. Nothing can prepare you for it, lol.
you're doing LATN right?
lengthening and then nailing?
Yup!
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How much worse was it compared to what you expected?
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Thanks ! Any recommendations on the healthiest options on the app ?
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Reached 2cm according to the fixator. I have a lot of difficulties going to sleep because of pain. It is very strong at night. Also, have noticed an considerable increase in pain since last week. Feels like my muscles internally are being stretched constantly.
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Reached 2cm according to the fixator. I have a lot of difficulties going to sleep because of pain. It is very strong at night. Also, have noticed an considerable increase in pain since last week. Feels like my muscles internally are being stretched constantly.
Have you started taking opioid based pain killers like contramal? There is an american here he is at 3cm he says he doesn't feel much pain except nights
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Have you started taking opioid based pain killers like contramal? There is an american here he is at 3cm he says he doesn't feel much pain except nights
Yeah I have. Everybody is different I guess. For me, most of my pain is near the shins near the tibialis anterior muscle.
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Yeah I have. Everybody is different I guess. For me, most of my pain is near the shins near the tibialis anterior muscle.
This massage gel relaxes my muscles and it smells so good. Everyone loves using it here. Maybe you should try too.
(https://s8d2.turboimg.net/t1/84023365_4739CDB1-C8DF-4D7F-B799-D7B0911D53F1.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/84023365/4739CDB1-C8DF-4D7F-B799-D7B0911D53F1.jpeg.html)
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Reached 2cm according to the fixator. I have a lot of difficulties going to sleep because of pain. It is very strong at night. Also, have noticed an considerable increase in pain since last week. Feels like my muscles internally are being stretched constantly.
I would personally recommend slowing down to .75/day once you're at 3 cm. Trust me your soft tissue will thank you.
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yo bruh u good?
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yo bruh u good?
Yes! Every day was starting to look the same and I wasn't sure if anyone was reading the diary. I'm at 2.8cm right now. My goal is 5cm.
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Yes! Every day was starting to look the same and I wasn't sure if anyone was reading the diary. I'm at 2.8cm right now. My goal is 5cm.
Hows the pain these days? Are there still days where its excrutiating?
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Hows the pain these days? Are there still days where its excrutiating?
It's manageable during the day, but really tough at night.
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It's manageable during the day, but really tough at night.
Why is there such a big difference at night? Is it the sleep?
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Why is there such a big difference at night? Is it the sleep?
I'm really not sure tbh. I think it may be because during the day you have constant distraction, whereas the night it's just you and your broken legs.
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I'm really not sure tbh. I think it may be because during the day you have constant distraction, whereas the night it's just you and your broken legs.
This was the same problem with me. I strongly recommend slowing down to .75/ day. Your soft tissue will thank you
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This was the same problem with me. I strongly recommend slowing down to .75/ day. Your soft tissue will thank you
I'm already at 0.75/day. Thank you
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What happened to the Looksmaxing guy? Why do u say he is interesting? Is his condition caused by him not following rehab procedures?
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I'm really not sure tbh. I think it may be because during the day you have constant distraction, whereas the night it's just you and your broken legs.
short is not fun, you practically live on this forum, aren't you interested in learning more about life and how things work, especially with regards to something which is obviously so important to you
he asked you a genuine question and you decided to just blurt out a non-answer in yet another instance of you wasting everyone's bandwith with your posts
let me explain to you why it happens so you can learn something for once my dear buddy boyo
Why do broken bones hurt more at night?
1. Drop in Cortisol levels: Inflammation caused by broken bones cause healing to occur, whereby healthy cells are brought to the fore to work on damaged cells. This is what happens during the day. During the night, there is a drop in the stress hormone cortisol which has an anti-inflammatory response. There is less inflammation, less healing, so the damage to bone due to the above conditions accelerates in the night, with pain as the side-effect.
2. Swelling due to inactivity: Synovial fluid is a liquid present in all bone joints of the body that helps in lubricating movement of the joints. It also helps reduce swelling and pain when its flowing around. This is why, during day time, the person’s activity keeps the fluid flowing reducing bone pain due to the above-listed conditions. But at night, since there is no activity, movement of this fluid is limited, so symptoms like pain and swelling only increase.
3. Pain perception: Pain is both physical and psychological. During the day, the various activities and hustle-bustle of life, the presence of friends, family and co-workers around distracts the person away from pain, so the pain perception is lesser. At night, in sleep, there are no such distractions, so the awareness or perception of pain heightens.
4. Vicious cycle of sleep deprivation: Bone pain at night, is such a common occurrence that there is even a name for it – Painsomnia, or insomnia caused by pain. The pain keeps the person awake, or disturbs the sleep. The disturbed or incomplete sleep at night causes tiredness and sleepiness during the day. It robs the person of motivation to exercise actively which helps relieve symptoms of the above conditions. The lack of exercise worsens symptoms of those conditions, which in turn increases the pain at night, creating a vicious cycle of insomnia and pain.
5. Depression: Both pain and insomnia can induce depression in some people or worsen the symptoms for those already suffering from depression. Frequent bouts of depression bring down the levels of positive hormones such as serotonin, dopamine and endorphins in the body which are so important for healing, in any disease or condition. The delayed or diminished healing sustains the pain at night creating a vicious cycle of depression and physical pain.
so next time your legsies hurt during the night you will know why
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short is not fun, you practically live on this forum, aren't you interested in learning more about life and how things work, especially with regards to something which is obviously so important to you
he asked you a genuine question and you decided to just blurt out a non-answer in yet another instance of you wasting everyone's bandwith with your posts
let me explain to you why it happens so you can learn something for once my dear buddy boyo
Why do broken bones hurt more at night?
1. Drop in Cortisol levels: Inflammation caused by broken bones cause healing to occur, whereby healthy cells are brought to the fore to work on damaged cells. This is what happens during the day. During the night, there is a drop in the stress hormone cortisol which has an anti-inflammatory response. There is less inflammation, less healing, so the damage to bone due to the above conditions accelerates in the night, with pain as the side-effect.
2. Swelling due to inactivity: Synovial fluid is a liquid present in all bone joints of the body that helps in lubricating movement of the joints. It also helps reduce swelling and pain when its flowing around. This is why, during day time, the person’s activity keeps the fluid flowing reducing bone pain due to the above-listed conditions. But at night, since there is no activity, movement of this fluid is limited, so symptoms like pain and swelling only increase.
3. Pain perception: Pain is both physical and psychological. During the day, the various activities and hustle-bustle of life, the presence of friends, family and co-workers around distracts the person away from pain, so the pain perception is lesser. At night, in sleep, there are no such distractions, so the awareness or perception of pain heightens.
4. Vicious cycle of sleep deprivation: Bone pain at night, is such a common occurrence that there is even a name for it – Painsomnia, or insomnia caused by pain. The pain keeps the person awake, or disturbs the sleep. The disturbed or incomplete sleep at night causes tiredness and sleepiness during the day. It robs the person of motivation to exercise actively which helps relieve symptoms of the above conditions. The lack of exercise worsens symptoms of those conditions, which in turn increases the pain at night, creating a vicious cycle of insomnia and pain.
5. Depression: Both pain and insomnia can induce depression in some people or worsen the symptoms for those already suffering from depression. Frequent bouts of depression bring down the levels of positive hormones such as serotonin, dopamine and endorphins in the body which are so important for healing, in any disease or condition. The delayed or diminished healing sustains the pain at night creating a vicious cycle of depression and physical pain.
so next time your legsies hurt during the night you will know why
Thank you for the information !
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No need to be a d*ckhead about it
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Hey can you sleep on your stomach ? or only on the back ?
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This massage gel relaxes my muscles and it smells so good. Everyone loves using it here. Maybe you should try too.
(https://s8d2.turboimg.net/t1/84023365_4739CDB1-C8DF-4D7F-B799-D7B0911D53F1.jpeg) (https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/84023365/4739CDB1-C8DF-4D7F-B799-D7B0911D53F1.jpeg.html)
Great idea! Thanks!
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Hey can you sleep on your stomach ? or only on the back ?
I can sleep on my stomach.
Also, I'm at 3.5cm now. My goal is 5cm. Counting the days down. Ankles hurt a lot. Shins hurt a lot. Sleep is non existent.
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I can sleep on my stomach.
Also, I'm at 3.5cm now. My goal is 5cm. Counting the days down. Ankles hurt a lot. Shins hurt a lot. Sleep is non existent.
Sounds like hell. How would you rate the pain level now?
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Sounds like hell. How would you rate the pain level now?
4/10 but it's consistent 24/7
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short is not fun, you practically live on this forum, aren't you interested in learning more about life and how things work, especially with regards to something which is obviously so important to you
he asked you a genuine question and you decided to just blurt out a non-answer in yet another instance of you wasting everyone's bandwith with your posts
let me explain to you why it happens so you can learn something for once my dear buddy boyo
Why do broken bones hurt more at night?
1. Drop in Cortisol levels: Inflammation caused by broken bones cause healing to occur, whereby healthy cells are brought to the fore to work on damaged cells. This is what happens during the day. During the night, there is a drop in the stress hormone cortisol which has an anti-inflammatory response. There is less inflammation, less healing, so the damage to bone due to the above conditions accelerates in the night, with pain as the side-effect.
2. Swelling due to inactivity: Synovial fluid is a liquid present in all bone joints of the body that helps in lubricating movement of the joints. It also helps reduce swelling and pain when its flowing around. This is why, during day time, the person’s activity keeps the fluid flowing reducing bone pain due to the above-listed conditions. But at night, since there is no activity, movement of this fluid is limited, so symptoms like pain and swelling only increase.
3. Pain perception: Pain is both physical and psychological. During the day, the various activities and hustle-bustle of life, the presence of friends, family and co-workers around distracts the person away from pain, so the pain perception is lesser. At night, in sleep, there are no such distractions, so the awareness or perception of pain heightens.
4. Vicious cycle of sleep deprivation: Bone pain at night, is such a common occurrence that there is even a name for it – Painsomnia, or insomnia caused by pain. The pain keeps the person awake, or disturbs the sleep. The disturbed or incomplete sleep at night causes tiredness and sleepiness during the day. It robs the person of motivation to exercise actively which helps relieve symptoms of the above conditions. The lack of exercise worsens symptoms of those conditions, which in turn increases the pain at night, creating a vicious cycle of insomnia and pain.
5. Depression: Both pain and insomnia can induce depression in some people or worsen the symptoms for those already suffering from depression. Frequent bouts of depression bring down the levels of positive hormones such as serotonin, dopamine and endorphins in the body which are so important for healing, in any disease or condition. The delayed or diminished healing sustains the pain at night creating a vicious cycle of depression and physical pain.
so next time your legsies hurt during the night you will know why
Thanks for information nice post
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Would you say Yuksel did a good job so far?
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https://youtu.be/31t8CafApwc (https://youtu.be/31t8CafApwc)
He's probably crippled for his whole life. He cannot walk, even 5 weeks after the surgery. No fixation of fibula bones which will cause severe arthritis later in life. He has severe ballerina foot which is very hard to fix. He also suffered from pinsite infection. LON is the worst method you can do since you connect the outer world with your bone marrow.
At 1:02 you can hear his desperation.
This dude had cosmetic teeth surgery to the point his gums got swollen and his teeth fell out. Then he decided to get braces at the age of 30-40-50 whatever he is. = failed.
He then got so much liposuction and botox in his face that his eyes were ready to fall out their sockets = failed
And then he flew to India to have jaw surgery which he wasn't even eligible for = failed
He got LON on tibias which guess what.. = failed.
These are the surgeries that i'm aware of, he must've done dozens more. He's gone on a whole world tour of surgeries. The only successful one he's had is his hair transplant.
The guy is the most genetically flawed person I have seen, no amount of surgery will have fixed his face. The ONE gift he had of being 5'11/178cm, he ruined by being too greedy.
In the end, the greatest thing that's happened to him is that he's been bedridden for the past 2 months which has made him lose lots of weight. He was clearly overweight and now this weight loss has made the biggest impact to making him look good. He did all these surgeries but all he needed to do was lose weight.
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Good luck on your journey. There is a lot of bad writing about your doctor. I hope you don't get injured.
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I'm at 4.2cm today. I have no signs of ballerina foot yet and when I wake up my heels are touching the ground. My amazing physiotherapist Fatma is excellent in preventing that for me.
I've not had any infections.
I have no nerve pain.
I'm almost to the finish line!
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I'm at 4.2cm today. I have no signs of ballerina foot yet and when I wake up my heels are touching the ground. My amazing physiotherapist Fatma is excellent in preventing that for me.
I've not had any infections.
I'm almost to the finish line!
Have you thought of going to 6cm?
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Have you thought of going to 6cm?
I've thought about it, but then I think about keeping these frames on me for another month and immediately it's a no. ;D :D
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I've thought about it, but then I think about keeping these frames on me for another month and immediately it's a no. ;D :D
Isnt it just another 14 days for 1cm at 0.75mm per day. It might be worth it you could consider because sometimes 5cm might not have as much of a difference. Just some food for thought. :)
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I've thought about it, but then I think about keeping these frames on me for another month and immediately it's a no. ;D :D
if you think you stop at 5cm, after the removal can be you have only 4cm or 4.5cm ;) you can ask your LL Friends who have the fixator removed
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Isnt it just another 14 days for 1cm at 0.75mm per day. It might be worth it you could consider because sometimes 5cm might not have as much of a difference. Just some food for thought. :)
if you think you stop at 5cm, after the removal can be you have only 4cm or 4.5cm ;) you can ask your LL Friends who have the fixator removed
Fair enough. I'll see where I am at 5cm and if I'd like to continue.
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by the way, did you recognize, there is something wrong here?
where are the internal nails?
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by the way, did you recognize, there is something wrong here?
where are the internal nails?
Please read my previous posts.
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Please read my previous posts.
I could not find anything mentioned about this from you.
If you had no internal nails, you would have to wait for a long time for the the removal because of safety
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I could not find anything mentioned about this from you.
If you had no internal nails, you would have to wait for a long time for the the removal because of safety
I speak about it in the first post. My internal bone cavity is too small for a nail. The doctor has manufactured an special mail for me which will be inserted in during the exfix removal surgery.
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good luck
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I'm at 4.6cm. The pain has definitely increased. I feel that it's harder to pick myself up because my leg muscles are so weak. Also, my body mechanics have changed, making it harder to balance myself. I feel like I'm walking on stilts.
I haven't had any infections or any nerve pain as of yet. I also don't have ballerina foot.
Can't wait to get these fixators off of me.
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Keep going with 6 cm it’s will take only 14-15 days more it’s worth it.
4-5 cm not that much different, u already made your choice to do the surgery, keep going with 6 cm
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I'm at 5cm now. I'm stopping now and don't want to go to 6. No ballerina foot. No infections, no nerve pain.
I have pain in my ankles and along a tendon on the back of my right knee. I'm also very weak in my muscles and get exhausted even taking 50 steps. Now to get this fixator removed and the nail inserted.
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I'm at 5cm now. I'm stopping now and don't want to go to 6. No ballerina foot. No infections, no nerve pain.
I have pain in my ankles and along a tendon on the back of my right knee. I'm also very weak in my muscles and get exhausted even taking 50 steps. Now to get this fixator removed and the nail inserted.
awesome decision bro
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How are you?
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I got the external fixator removed. It was the most painful experience of my entire life and trumps the first surgery. It was 10/10 pain for atleast 11 hours. I was curled up in a fetal position and begging for help and pain medicine from the nurses every hour. The nurses were extremely sweet to me and they were concerned but none of the pain medication they give me helped me at all. Just an uncontrollable stiffness and throbbing pain 10/10 in my shins and ankles that refused to subside. I fell asleep for like 3 hours woke up and feel much better. My pain is 6/10 now
It was like someone taking a screwdriver and jamming it into your shins every second
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I got the external fixator removed. It was the most painful experience of my entire life and trumps the first surgery. It was 10/10 pain for atleast 11 hours. I was curled up in a fetal position and begging for help and pain medicine from the nurses every hour. The nurses were extremely sweet to me and they were concerned but none of the pain medication they give me helped me at all. Just an uncontrollable stiffness and throbbing pain 10/10 in my shins and ankles that refused to subside. I fell asleep for like 3 hours woke up and feel much better. My pain is 6/10 now
It was like someone taking a screwdriver and jamming it into your shins every second
I think its because they insert the nail as well. Which could make more pain as you are doing LATN
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I got the external fixator removed. It was the most painful experience of my entire life and trumps the first surgery. It was 10/10 pain for atleast 11 hours. I was curled up in a fetal position and begging for help and pain medicine from the nurses every hour. The nurses were extremely sweet to me and they were concerned but none of the pain medication they give me helped me at all. Just an uncontrollable stiffness and throbbing pain 10/10 in my shins and ankles that refused to subside. I fell asleep for like 3 hours woke up and feel much better. My pain is 6/10 now
It was like someone taking a screwdriver and jamming it into your shins every second
can you post xray before fixator removal? and after removal and nail instalation
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can you post xray before fixator removal? and after removal and nail instalation
After removal :
https://www.linkpicture.com/q/DE6DAA54-57F4-4293-A3C9-6FF2B5A859BD.jpeg
Before removal
https://www.linkpicture.com/q/466A564B-9013-460A-8227-06ADD3AB7F95.png
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After removal :
https://www.linkpicture.com/q/DE6DAA54-57F4-4293-A3C9-6FF2B5A859BD.jpeg
Before removal
https://www.linkpicture.com/q/466A564B-9013-460A-8227-06ADD3AB7F95.png
Awesome! Do you have any type of pain? Nerve pain?
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Awesome! Do you have any type of pain? Nerve pain?
I'm not really sure yet, as I haven't tried walking unassisted or assisted. The pain from the fixator removal and the nailing surgery is still really strong for me
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After removal :
https://www.linkpicture.com/q/DE6DAA54-57F4-4293-A3C9-6FF2B5A859BD.jpeg
Before removal
https://www.linkpicture.com/q/466A564B-9013-460A-8227-06ADD3AB7F95.png
I know why you have more pain than the others, you did not have the internal nails before.
From the X-ray, it looks like the left leg is longer.
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Awesome! Do you have any type of pain? Nerve pain?
now you see the difference better
(https://i.ibb.co/8mbRZD2/aa.jpg)
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deleted comment I thought he was doing femur
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From the “height” of my older self and my older age, let me try to speculate what is possibly going on here.
-in the last few months we’ve seen an influx of Gnail and Betzbone patients who have practically debunked the older rationale that clicking was an atrocious experience only comparable to torture.
-Together with that we also realised through the same patients that the Greece and Germany options seem to be quite pleasant and that both teams there are quite competent.
-Stride ain’t coming back anytime soon and ita replacement is looking behind schedule as well.
-new prospective patients (from the US too) are starting to move to destinations where they offer weight bearing nails.
-these ain’t anymore 3rd world destinations that people are scared of. And prices and packages are more affordable.
-somebody loosing revenue
-somebody starting to release the hounds to try and run a scaremongering campaign on the people of this forum.
May not be this case, but every time you follow the money, you always get somewhere very interesting.
are you trying to say the USA doctors are making fake bad diaries of the euro and turkey doctors? I dont understand. or you think the betz/gio diaries are fake? both? I assume the first is your conclusion but I see literally no negative betz/gio diaries recently and yes I see negative turkey ones but its always been like that.
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I'm 25 days into consolidation. I walk without crutches in a living space and in the hotel pretty comfortably, but I prefer to use one crutch for stability. I walk about 5km everyday pretty much now. My bone consolidation is really good.
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I'm 25 days into consolidation. I walk without crutches in a living space and in the hotel pretty comfortably, but I prefer to use one crutch for stability. I walk about 5km everyday pretty much now. My bone consolidation is really good.
congratulations. could you please show your new x-ray?
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congratulations. could you please show your new x-ray?
https://www.linkpicture.com/q/1138200B-E1DE-4484-8E98-28D5CE71C9A3.jpeg
https://www.linkpicture.com/q/EABCAAE5-6634-45DE-A028-3264530216AA.jpeg
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I'm 25 days into consolidation. I walk without crutches in a living space and in the hotel pretty comfortably, but I prefer to use one crutch for stability. I walk about 5km everyday pretty much now. My bone consolidation is really good.
wow mate, congratulations on getting through without any complications such as ballerina, nerve damage/pain. Wish i didnt get so many complications haha
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congratulations. could you please show your new x-ray?
im 7 months into consoldation and have nerve damage and cant even walk 1 km lol, ur doing crazy good, i did 6.8 cm on tibia
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wow mate, congratulations on getting through without any complications such as ballerina, nerve damage/pain. Wish i didnt get so many complications haha
Yes, all thanks to the physio team here. Legitimately the best.
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how are your scars look like?
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I'm done with my journey now. Its been 94 days since surgery, and I'm back to normal walking.
I checked my height and I'm a little over 5'5 or 165cm now.
I haven't tried running yet, but my flexibility is all back now. I'll be doing Precice Femurs next year to get to my expected height of 5'8.5.
I probably won't update as much anymore. Peace.
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I'm done with my journey now. Its been 94 days since surgery, and I'm back to normal walking.
I checked my height and I'm a little over 5'5 or 165cm now.
I haven't tried running yet, but my flexibility is all back now. I'll be doing Precice Femurs next year to get to my expected height of 5'8.5.
I probably won't update as much anymore. Peace.
short is not fun what do you plan to do about your misaligned left tibia?
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short is not fun what do you plan to do about your misaligned left tibia?
This is like your 8th account, don't you get bored or tired.
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strange that you are already back to normal walking after just 94 days
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strange that you are already back to normal walking after just 94 days
It's close to normal. If I walk more than an hour my legs start hurting and my gait worsens. But if I'm able to rest I can walk with the speed of a normal person. I also had more than a month after removal to get my walking gait good. Either way, I'm satisfied with it.
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This is like your 8th account, don't you get bored or tired.
laddie i dont know why you think im attacking you every time. youre turbo manlet on the road to human(after the second femur LL), i have only positive feelings towards you and your struggle
but it was a genuine question, your left tibia is off center(the right as well but not so much). this is a long term risk for a whole bunch of dysfunctional occurrences within your knee and ankle joints, so i feel it needs to be addressed at some point. just was wondering from a scientific standpoint what do you plan to do with it
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this recovery is insanee. fair play
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laddie i dont know why you think im attacking you every time. youre turbo manlet on the road to human(after the second femur LL), i have only positive feelings towards you and your struggle
but it was a genuine question, your left tibia is off center(the right as well but not so much). this is a long term risk for a whole bunch of dysfunctional occurrences within your knee and ankle joints, so i feel it needs to be addressed at some point. just was wondering from a scientific standpoint what do you plan to do with it
I thought about what you said and I got a standing x-ray. I believe I have X-Legs (Genu Valgum) based on what I see from the standing x-ray. I will ask what Dr. Yukksel has to say about this. If he denies it, then I will conclude he is not a good doctor at all, and it's been a mistake doing LL with him.
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laddie
I'm sure you're 100% Turkish, you troll son of a bitch. I no longer suspect livelifetaller. You're AFA or wannabetaller's bitch.
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I thought about what you said and I got a standing x-ray. I believe I have X-Legs (Genu Valgum) based on what I see from the standing x-ray. I will ask what Dr. Yukksel has to say about this. If he denies it, then I will conclude he is not a good doctor at all, and it's been a mistake doing LL with him.
before accusing him i suggest you ask giotikas in a free 15 min consult over skype what he thinks about your potential problem
but either way, thats a long term complication that you could fix when doing the femur LL
you said you will do precice so in my opinion you should do it with giotikas for 40k euro and you can ask him to cut a wedge in your tibias to reposition the misaligned bone back to normal. disadvantage is you will have a plate fixation and a long scar down there on both legs but scars is better than crooked legs
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before accusing him i suggest you ask giotikas in a free 15 min consult over skype what he thinks about your potential problem
but either way, thats a long term complication that you could fix when doing the femur LL
you said you will do precice so in my opinion you should do it with giotikas for 40k euro and you can ask him to cut a wedge in your tibias to reposition the misaligned bone back to normal. disadvantage is you will have a plate fixation and a long scar down there on both legs but scars is better than crooked legs
I'll ask Dr Giotikias about this, thank you.
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I'm done with my journey now. Its been 94 days since surgery, and I'm back to normal walking.
I checked my height and I'm a little over 5'5 or 165cm now.
I haven't tried running yet, but my flexibility is all back now. I'll be doing Precice Femurs next year to get to my expected height of 5'8.5.
I probably won't update as much anymore. Peace.
You were already just updating it with the post. X-ray pictures only. There are no videos or photos. Also, I'm not going to read the diary of a retard who had surgery on dr yuksel yurttas.
https://youtu.be/kVS15Aq0_F8
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Hi, how long last for your physio, and what's the procedure? It's amazing for not have ballerina for 5cm!
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Hi, how long last for your physio, and what's the procedure? It's amazing for not have ballerina for 5cm!
Hello, I don't recommend this doctor anymore, he gave me knock knees due to incorrect nail placement, didn't add an additional screw to top of fibula to stabilize it, and didn't pay attention to mechanical axis, which gave me crooked legs.
https://ibb.co/9yy4p1N
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How is this guy allowed to practice with this level of malpractice?
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Hello, I don't recommend this doctor anymore, he gave me knock knees due to incorrect nail placement, didn't add an additional screw to top of fibula to stabilize it, and didn't pay attention to mechanical axis, which gave me crooked legs.
https://ibb.co/9yy4p1N
that doctor must be a certified idiot, no other explanation as you gotta be retarded to nail not one, but both legs in the same defective manner
short is not fun, you will fix this easily when you do the femurs, so do not worry right now about this, focus on making money and healing for the next surgery, let us know what another doctor said, i told you to meet giotikas because he does free 15 min skype consults, but if you see other doctor tell us whats the plan to fix it
he might want to remove the nails, rebreak the bone, and put new nails in when you get the femurs nailed
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i told you to meet giotikas because he does free 15 min skype consults, but if you see other doctor tell us whats the plan to fix it
I will beat you and rape you in 15 minutes. Gtfo son of a btch 8)
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Hello, I don't recommend this doctor anymore.
See my previous posts. II have repeatedly said that this doctor is a butcher and that people should stay away from him. What happened ? Uou were praising your doctor ;D That's too little for someone like you. You tried to defend this doctor lol. Good luck ;D
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that doctor must be a certified idiot, no other explanation as you gotta be retarded to nail not one, but both legs in the same defective manner
short is not fun, you will fix this easily when you do the femurs, so do not worry right now about this, focus on making money and healing for the next surgery, let us know what another doctor said, i told you to meet giotikas because he does free 15 min skype consults, but if you see other doctor tell us whats the plan to fix it
he might want to remove the nails, rebreak the bone, and put new nails in when you get the femurs nailed
Thanks for catching that, I wouldn't have even known until you told me about it.
I'm currently in process with other doctors to see if they can fix it.
See my previous posts. II have repeatedly said that this doctor is a butcher and that people should stay away from him. What happened ? Uou were praising your doctor ;D That's too little for someone like you. You tried to defend this doctor lol. Good luck ;D
Go away dude, you need to get a life man.
How is this guy allowed to practice with this level of malpractice?
He also yelled at me when I confronted him about it. He said he would fix it after I confronted him 3 times about it, but I'd be crazy if I let Yurttas touch my legs again.
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Hello, I don't recommend this doctor anymore, he gave me knock knees due to incorrect nail placement, didn't add an additional screw to top of fibula to stabilize it, and didn't pay attention to mechanical axis, which gave me crooked legs.
https://ibb.co/9yy4p1N
I'm doing this with another Dr, but most of his patients who did tibia had ballerina 🤦🏻♂️ so I'm trying to avoid this, Yuksel sucks but maybe your physician are competent
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Yuksel Yurttas (I don't want to call him a doctor because he has no ethics, or morals) is one of the worst limb lengthening surgeons to do LL with. He crippled many patients.
He gave me and another friend I was doing LON Tibias with crooked legs and knocked knees. I will write a post soon exposing this doctor and what he did to me and other patients.
The worst decision of my life was doing LL with this piece of trash doctor.
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Get well Soon! Thank you for exposing This 'doctor'
I wish you a speedy and easy recovery🤲🏻
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Thanks for being honest. I hope you get better and back to normal soon.
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Thanks for being honest. I hope you get better and back to normal soon.
Sorry for this post you don't deserve this. I didn't know that every doctor you went to had a staff member. You were one of his team praising Dr Yuksel. You are now on the gliokas team. But don't bother. Nobody goes to the doctor with dead patients. Also, according to you, Dr. Yuksel Yurttas was once a very good doctor. Until it cripples you. Congratulations on living with this intelligence until now. You are someone who will do anything to defend your doctor. It's like slandering people. You told the people who were disabled by Dr. Yuksel that it was their fault and you didn't want your doctor to be insulted. Now you're doing the same thing to dr gliokas... You are not reliable, anything you say will no longer be believed. Also, despite your disability, you continued to praise Dr Yuksel and concealed it. Because you were going to be treated, but you couldn't agree on the price and went to gliokas. Now gliokas will use it to advertise to you in this forum. Because you went to the butcher's doctor, which is never preferred and loved in Turkey, and you became crippled. Now you will be the patient healed by miracle doctor gliokas lol. It will make good advertisements to people. "Look, this is what happens if you go to Turkey (although you went to the most butcher doctor.) I correct and heal those who have complications in Turkey." keep praising gliokas on the forum. But this will not change the facts of the dead and the crippled.
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Oh wow, look at this guy over here acting like he knows everything about everyone's situation. Listen up, buddy, life ain't that simple. Not everyone's got a cool 100k to drop on surgery, you know? People gotta make choices based on their circumstances, and sometimes, that means choosing a doc that might not be the "top of the line."
Let me tell you something, even experienced doctors can have complications. We ain't living in a perfect world here. So, chill out with your holier-than-thou attitude and endless promotion of your "amazing" five doctors who can't possibly operate on thousands and thousands of people.
Maybe if you stopped clowning around and tried to understand where others are coming from, you might learn a thing or two. But hey, I guess we can't all be as enlightened as you, can we? Keep living in your perfect little world, man.
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Oh wow, look at this guy over here acting like he knows everything about everyone's situation. Listen up, buddy, life ain't that simple. Not everyone's got a cool 100k to drop on surgery, you know? People gotta make choices based on their circumstances, and sometimes, that means choosing a doc that might not be the "top of the line."
Let me tell you something, even experienced doctors can have complications. We ain't living in a perfect world here. So, chill out with your holier-than-thou attitude and endless promotion of your "amazing" five doctors who can't possibly operate on thousands and thousands of people.
Maybe if you stopped clowning around and tried to understand where others are coming from, you might learn a thing or two. But hey, I guess we can't all be as enlightened as you, can we? Keep living in your perfect little world, man.
He's a child with no more than 2 brain cells to rub on his fingers. And he won't even do the surgery, so his opinion is moot.
I wish there was a block button on this forum, so I wouldn't have to stumble upon him over and over again with his 4+ accounts.
Trueman, Sigma, Werewolf, these accounts are all made by the same person. Imagine having that much of a boring life that you need to troll a LL forum. The funny thing is they reply to each other. :D
Yes, I was content with Yuksel once. That was at a time I trusted him. I have no medical knowledge, I only did research about LL on my own accord. So I trusted him as he is a doctor.
I also never concealed anything, why would I do that. As soon as someone else here pointed out I had a deformity in my bone I went and got a standing x-ray by myself. Previously, I thought there was no problem, and it would be solved by physical therapy.
Unfortunately, I found out Yuksel Yurttas lied to me once I emailed other trusted doctors my x-rays regarding my knock knees. Paley, Assayag, Birkholtz, Giotikas, all said my knock knees would not be corrected via PT, while Yuksel said it would.
Once I got that information, it was easy for me to see that Yuksel is not a trustworthy doctor if he is willing to lie to patients regarding their complications.
You live, and you learn. Thank you.
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Oh wow, look at this guy over here acting like he knows everything about everyone's situation. Listen up, buddy, life ain't that simple. Not everyone's got a cool 100k to drop on surgery, you know? People gotta make choices based on their circumstances, and sometimes, that means choosing a doc that might not be the "top of the line."
Let me tell you something, even experienced doctors can have complications. We ain't living in a perfect world here. So, chill out with your holier-than-thou attitude and endless promotion of your "amazing" five doctors who can't possibly operate on thousands and thousands of people.
Maybe if you stopped clowning around and tried to understand where others are coming from, you might learn a thing or two. But hey, I guess we can't all be as enlightened as you, can we? Keep living in your perfect little world, man.
Hello @danishviking. You have 4 posts and the articles you wrote to defend gliokas in 4 posts... It's really interesting. People don't fan the football team that much. Not everyone needs to spend 100,000 on surgery. There are many doctors that are the same price or cheaper as Gliokas and better than him.
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He's a child with no more than 2 brain cells to rub on his fingers. And he won't even do the surgery, so his opinion is moot.
I wish there was a block button on this forum, so I wouldn't have to stumble upon him over and over again with his 4+ accounts.
Trueman, Sigma, Werewolf, these accounts are all made by the same person. Imagine having that much of a boring life that you need to troll a LL forum. The funny thing is they reply to each other. :D
Yes, I was content with Yuksel once. That was at a time I trusted him. I have no medical knowledge, I only did research about LL on my own accord. So I trusted him as he is a doctor.
I also never concealed anything, why would I do that. As soon as someone else here pointed out I had a deformity in my bone I went and got a standing x-ray by myself. Previously, I thought there was no problem, and it would be solved by physical therapy.
Unfortunately, I found out Yuksel Yurttas lied to me once I emailed other trusted doctors my x-rays regarding my knock knees. Paley, Assayag, Birkholtz, Giotikas, all said my knock knees would not be corrected via PT, while Yuksel said it would.
Once I got that information, it was easy for me to see that Yuksel is not a trustworthy doctor if he is willing to lie to patients regarding their complications.
You live, and you learn. Thank you.
You are the child. You're 1.60 cm tall and not even nails fit your bones. I will not have mercy on those who slander me. Yes child. Anyone who tells the truth about Gliokas and says that doctor is not a good doctor is a troll. Everyone who thinks and says this is the same person. Let me say it again. The only difference between Dr gliokas and Dr Yuksel. Dr. Yuksel butcher's death cases are absent. Deal with your knee problems child. This is the forum where people can freely express their opinion about Dr. gliokas. Don't accuse anyone of being the same person. Do not insult people.
You're obviously not a smart person. The date I became a member is 2022. "Trueman" registered yesterday... The troll you call "Werewolf" has written bad things in your diary. I wrote you my best wishes. I'm not a troll. And I have nothing to do with them. What I am saying is the bitter truth. And there are things I agree with. Like not liking Gliokas. According to you, those who don't like gliokas are trolls and the same person. Yes child. I think your height to intelligence ratio is the same. Also, what are we discussing? You are someone who went to him and defended him, even though people said not to go to the dr yuksel butcher. You said that the doctor is not guilty, despite the videos and pictures of disabled people, it's their fault. Now you will do the same to gliokas... Don't be anyone's toy, child.
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^^ Ignore and move on. This individual has three other accounts, banned multiple times, and all he does is spread negativity. I request mods to IP ban him.
Trueman, Sigma, and Werewolf are all the same person.
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Thank you darling for defending me :-*
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Update:
I got my knock knees corrected by Dr Giotikas.
My legs are now straight.
Dr Giotikas is a much better doctor than Yurttas. I wouldn't trust Yurttas to even put a bandage on.
Dr Giotikas is responsive, very intelligent, and can handle patient complications effectively. He also stands behind his work.
Thank you to Doctor Giotikas, and thanks everyone on the forum, good luck!
https://www.linkpicture.com/q/97971D56-7432-4501-AE89-763B213A42A5.jpeg
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hey man, glad you got your legs straightened!
I also did my LL with Dr. Yuksel, that's why I'm following your case more closely than others.
so my question: after turkey you went directly to greece for a corrective surgery?
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hey man, glad you got your legs straightened!
I also did my LL with Dr. Yuksel, that's why I'm following your case more closely than others.
so my question: after turkey you went directly to greece for a corrective surgery?
Hello, yes correct, I went to Greece. Yuksel did offer to fix my issue but only after lying to me 3 times about it. Then when I spoke to him in person he came clean. He was also rude and dismissive to me. Guy was an absolute dbag for no reason, when he is the one who gave me crooked legs.
He offered to fix it, but I won't trust my legs under this butcher again.
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I'm not going to read the diary of a retard who had surgery on dr yuksel yurttas.
This is one of the most hilarious thing's I've read at this forum. Do continue
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This is one of the most hilarious thing's I've read at this forum. Do continue
For the love of god please if you value your legs, do not do it at Yuksel Yurttas.
I agree, I was an idiot to do it with this terrible, piece of trash "doctor".
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How is he allowed to practice if he is so bad?
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How is he allowed to practice if he is so bad?
Turkey has no universal medical standards and the people who do LL with him are foreigners, not Turkish nationals. Therefore, they leave the country with their complications, and are not able to take legal action due to being from a different country and signing legal mumbo jumbo in a different language before doing the surgery.
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For the love of god please if you value your legs, do not do it at Yuksel Yurttas.
I agree, I was an idiot to do it with this terrible, piece of trash "doctor".
But isn't he like a unversity professor in his medical field? Because that's what convinced me back then in doing the surgery with him. Curious to hear your opinion, all the best man.
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But isn't he like a unversity professor in his medical field? Because that's what convinced me back then in doing the surgery with him. Curious to hear your opinion, all the best man.
Should tell you the quality of education in Turkey if he's making these types of mistakes as a professor!
Also, PM me your WhatsApp, I and other patients who did it with Yuksel Yurttas are talking about their complications.
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Update:
I got my knock knees corrected by Dr Giotikas.
My legs are now straight.
Dr Giotikas is a much better doctor than Yurttas. I wouldn't trust Yurttas to even put a bandage on.
Dr Giotikas is responsive, very intelligent, and can handle patient complications effectively. He also stands behind his work.
Thank you to Doctor Giotikas, and thanks everyone on the forum, good luck!
https://www.linkpicture.com/q/97971D56-7432-4501-AE89-763B213A42A5.jpeg
how much did Doctor Giotikas charged for correction? thank you! Can we see the new scars?
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Update:
I got my knock knees corrected by Dr Giotikas.
My legs are now straight.
Dr Giotikas is a much better doctor than Yurttas. I wouldn't trust Yurttas to even put a bandage on.
Dr Giotikas is responsive, very intelligent, and can handle patient complications effectively. He also stands behind his work.
Thank you to Doctor Giotikas, and thanks everyone on the forum, good luck!
https://www.linkpicture.com/q/97971D56-7432-4501-AE89-763B213A42A5.jpeg
Did you recognize this problem?:
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Did you recognize this problem?:
(https://www.linkpicture.com/q/97971D56-7432-4501-AE89-763B213A42A5d.jpg)
Yes, I am aware, Yurttas didn't properly lock both end of the fibula causing fibula migration. I don't have any pain or any issue I'm aware of in my ankle yet though. But the surgery to fix that requires another fixator on your ankle, and at that point I was tired of fixators and lengthening so, hopefully it's covered by insurance on the US if I do have an issue.
how much did Doctor Giotikas charged for correction? thank you! Can we see the new scars?
6000 euros, which Yuksel Yurttas should have paid tbh.
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