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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: tallertaller on August 25, 2023, 11:51:20 AM
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Read my entire diary - https://www.limblengthening/threads/betzbone-surgery-dr-becker-january-2023.5/
I did lengthening from 02/2023 to 07/2023. My operation was on jan 27, 2023.
You can ask my any questions and I will do my best to answer. Im not an expert but i know what i know from my experience thus far. I completed my lengthening about 30ish days ago.
Here is my latest walking video
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R7YuaU1fUVs
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Walking unaided without crutches at 1 month post lengthening before consolidation at 12+ cm seems dangerous.
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Going back and reading through old threads, a lot of patients seem to have issues with bent and broken nails despite being advertised as full weight bearing. If they’re asking you to advertise for them not using crutches it seems reckless.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=2405.62
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How do you feel about your proportions?
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Walking unaided without crutches at 1 month post lengthening before consolidation at 12+ cm seems dangerous.
Weight bearing nail.
Going back and reading through old threads, a lot of patients seem to have issues with bent and broken nails despite being advertised as full weight bearing. If they’re asking you to advertise for them not using crutches it seems reckless.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=2405.62
Idk. Can’t speak for others. My own experience it’s been good thus far from surgery till done lengthening
How do you feel about your proportions?
Never really thought about it. Main focus was on getting through in a safe manner. To me it’s visually normal. after seeing people nobody has been able to tell change in porpotions specifically. At most they think I got skinnier. Or something is different but they can’t quite pin point it
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Do you plan on lengthening your tibias? As they are right now, they seem very disproportionally small for how long your femur looks. I think your legs might look a little more normal if you lengthened your tibias somewhat.
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Do you plan on lengthening your tibias? As they are right now, they seem very disproportionally small for how long your femur looks. I think your legs might look a little more normal if you lengthened your tibias somewhat.
Yeah I didnt want to say anything but the proportions look off. And when you wear pants they usually look even more off than shorts do so curious how that looks. If this were me id be thinking about tibias. 3-4CM on tibs would make a huge difference. Sorry bro but gotta be honest with ya.
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Why you lengthened that much? At 12cm your biomechanics will be totally ruined. Also your proportions seem off but thats an aesthetic issue and maybe you like what you see which is the most important after all. But still your biomechanics won't be close to normal and I wonder even if.your gait will be 100%.
Why always Betz and now his cosmetic doctor-apprentice ruin their patients by letting them lengthen that insanely much?
Sorry for my somewhat hard words but 12cm are not a sensible amount of lengthening and I really wonder why you did that much. I understamd that you had a very short height to begin with but thats an extra reason to not lengthem that much in one segment, not to lengthen with one LL how about as much as you should have lengthened in both segments!
I don't have anything other to ask personally, after all you just started rehabilitation. I would be very curious if you will walk normally after 6 months and if you can run, even slow, 1 year after. I hope you'll do.
Keep strong!
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Why you lengthened that much? At 12cm your biomechanics will be totally ruined. Also your proportions seem off but thats an aesthetic issue and maybe you like what you see which is the most important after all. But still your biomechanics won't be close to normal and I wonder even if.your gait will be 100%.
Why always Betz and now his cosmetic doctor-apprentice ruin their patients by letting them lengthen that insanely much?
Sorry for my somewhat hard words but 12cm are not a sensible amount of lengthening and I really wonder why you did that much. I understamd that you had a very short height to begin with but thats an extra reason to not lengthem that much in one segment, not to lengthen with one LL how about as much as you should have lengthened in both segments!
I don't have anything other to ask personally, after all you just started rehabilitation. I would be very curious if you will walk normally after 6 months and if you can run, even slow, 1 year after. I hope you'll do.
Keep strong!
The good news is Becker patients do well in recovery even the ones who do crazy length like 12CM. Ive seen it first hand. Its really an aesthetics and biomechanics thing. My personal view is 8CM should be the absolute max anyone does on femurs. Beyond that you need to start looking at quad LL.
But Beckers approach is basically like most plastic surgeons. He will do what you want as long as its safe. He has no input on what you want to do to your body from an aesthetic perspective - thats basically up to the patient. And he does provide mock-ups on what you will look like so theres nothing left to the imagination. Even with a 6CM mock-up my legs started to look like caterpillars so I have no idea why anyone would go for twice that much but to each their own.
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Do you plan on lengthening your tibias? As they are right now, they seem very disproportionally small for how long your femur looks. I think your legs might look a little more normal if you lengthened your tibias somewhat.
Not planning or considering. All is good now so life continues. Let’s go.
Yeah I didnt want to say anything but the proportions look off. And when you wear pants they usually look even more off than shorts do so curious how that looks. If this were me id be thinking about tibias. 3-4CM on tibs would make a huge difference. Sorry bro but gotta be honest with ya.
Good luck on tibias. Sorry for your result. Your journey has been hard I feel for you. But I’m trying to avoid being up like you. 3.2cm and give up couldn’t click due to not enough stretching now have regret debating rebreaking and doing more is hard life. I can imagine, I can’t take your advice serious sorry. It’s like advice from about swimming from a person who can’t even swim.
I used your diary previous and tried to learn from your mistakes so I appreciate your contributions.
Why you lengthened that much? At 12cm your biomechanics will be totally ruined. Also your proportions seem off but thats an aesthetic issue and maybe you like what you see which is the most important after all. But still your biomechanics won't be close to normal and I wonder even if.your gait will be 100%.
Why always Betz and now his cosmetic doctor-apprentice ruin their patients by letting them lengthen that insanely much?
Sorry for my somewhat hard words but 12cm are not a sensible amount of lengthening and I really wonder why you did that much. I understamd that you had a very short height to begin with but thats an extra reason to not lengthem that much in one segment, not to lengthen with one LL how about as much as you should have lengthened in both segments!
I don't have anything other to ask personally, after all you just started rehabilitation. I would be very curious if you will walk normally after 6 months and if you can run, even slow, 1 year after. I hope you'll do.
Keep strong!
Not sure about other patients. You have to ask them. Can only speak from my experience. Glad to answer your questions.
The good news is Becker patients do well in recovery even the ones who do crazy length like 12CM. Ive seen it first hand. Its really an aesthetics and biomechanics thing. My personal view is 8CM should be the absolute max anyone does on femurs. Beyond that you need to start looking at quad LL.
But Beckers approach is basically like most plastic surgeons. He will do what you want as long as its safe. He has no input on what you want to do to your body from an aesthetic perspective - thats basically up to the patient. And he does provide mock-ups on what you will look like so theres nothing left to the imagination. Even with a 6CM mock-up my legs started to look like caterpillars so I have no idea why anyone would go for twice that much but to each their own.
Yes recovery is priority and all is on track. Grateful to get to this point. Feeling is goood and happy. It’s been long journey. Glad to be done almost. How do you know what is 6 is like, you did half of that in reality and gave up though.
Portion wise it’s normal even with +12cm. 99% of regular people without mental issue, self esteem, confidence, or something mentally going on won’t notice or bat a second eye towards it. At most they think you got skinnier if they knew you pre op. I’m speaking from experience not like figuratively doing 3 and imaging for more. I appreciate your insights.
For self esteem,confidence, mental stuff you may consider therapist for further help. They offer many tool to assist. I wish you the best on your journey
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Not planning or considering. All is good now so life continues. Let’s go.
Good luck on tibias. Sorry for your result. Your journey has been hard I feel for you. But I’m trying to avoid being up like you. 3.2cm and give up couldn’t click due to not enough stretching now have regret debating rebreaking and doing more is hard life. I can imagine, I can’t take your advice serious sorry. It’s like advice from about swimming from a person who can’t even swim.
I used your diary previous and tried to learn from your mistakes so I appreciate your contributions.
Not sure about other patients. You have to ask them. Can only speak from my experience. Glad to answer your questions.
Yes recovery is priority and all is on track. Grateful to get to this point. Feeling is goood and happy. It’s been long journey. Glad to be done almost. How do you know what is 6 is like, you did half of that in reality and gave up though.
Portion wise it’s normal even with +12cm. 99% of regular people without mental issue, self esteem, confidence, or something mentally going on won’t notice or bat a second eye towards it. At most they think you got skinnier if they knew you pre op. I’m speaking from experience not like figuratively doing 3 and imaging for more. I appreciate your insights.
For self esteem,confidence, mental stuff you may consider therapist for further help. They offer many tool to assist. I wish you the best on your journey
Yeah man NOBODY will notice those absurd proportions. Your legs look like preying mantis legs. I wasnt trying to insult you at first but if you're going to get salty about it then Ill tell you what I really think. And my goal stated from my original journal was a max of 4CM or 5CM and this is exactly why. I hit consolidation and its probably not worth a re-break since Im so close, not from "giving up".
Anyway...others on here are saying the same thing. You did too much and it looks ridiculous. Your options now are to do tibias or you can just live with this I guess. Post a video of you wearing pants and this sub is going to go wild.
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Yeah man NOBODY will notice those absurd proportions. Your legs look like preying mantis legs. I wasnt trying to insult you at first but if you're going to get salty about it then Ill tell you what I really think. And my goal stated from my original journal was a max of 4CM or 5CM and this is exactly why. I hit consolidation and its probably not worth a re-break since Im so close, not from "giving up".
Anyway...others on here are saying the same thing. You did too much and it looks ridiculous. Your options now are to do tibias or you can just live with this I guess. Post a video of you wearing pants and this sub is going to go wild.
Yeah man NOBODY will notice those absurd proportions. Your legs look like preying mantis legs. I wasnt trying to insult you at first but if you're going to get salty about it then Ill tell you what I really think. And my goal stated from my original journal was a max of 4CM or 5CM and this is exactly why. I hit consolidation and its probably not worth a re-break since Im so close, not from "giving up".
Anyway...others on here are saying the same thing. You did too much and it looks ridiculous. Your options now are to do tibias or you can just live with this I guess. Post a video of you wearing pants and this sub is going to go wild.
However you want to justify your journey is ok for me. I know the reality. Hope it makes you happier. Have more self confidence sir
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However you want to justify your journey is ok for me. I know the reality. Hope it makes you happier. Have more self confidence sir
It doesnt look like reality is your jam or you wouldnt have max out the freaking nail at 5 foot 3.
Bickering aside I hope it works out for you.
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It doesnt look like reality is your jam or you wouldnt have max out the freaking nail at 5 foot 3.
Bickering aside I hope it works out for you.
Thank you yes you too
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Yeah man NOBODY will notice those absurd proportions. Your legs look like preying mantis legs. I wasnt trying to insult you at first but if you're going to get salty about it then Ill tell you what I really think. And my goal stated from my original journal was a max of 4CM or 5CM and this is exactly why. I hit consolidation and its probably not worth a re-break since Im so close, not from "giving up".
Anyway...others on here are saying the same thing. You did too much and it looks ridiculous. Your options now are to do tibias or you can just live with this I guess. Post a video of you wearing pants and this sub is going to go wild.
The guy did 12cm on femur and you would recommend to then do tibias? Assuming you're talking about him trying to get back to the normal tibia/femur ratio he'd have to do 9.6cm! A guy who is originally 161cm. If you think he looks weird now why recommend he make things way worse just to worry about the tibia/femur ratio?
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Which doctors did you consider? How did you pick your doctor?
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The guy did 12cm on femur and you would recommend to then do tibias? Assuming you're talking about him trying to get back to the normal tibia/femur ratio he'd have to do 9.6cm! A guy who is originally 161cm. If you think he looks weird now why recommend he make things way worse just to worry about the tibia/femur ratio?
Don’t worry friend I take no offense 🙂 I love different opinions it makes things more engaging. It’s some people are not happy or have regrets or issues within them self and want to make others feel like them. Just take it as joke and move on is my mentality.
Which doctors did you consider? How did you pick your doctor?
Check out my diary all of this answered there.
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The guy did 12cm on femur and you would recommend to then do tibias? Assuming you're talking about him trying to get back to the normal tibia/femur ratio he'd have to do 9.6cm! A guy who is originally 161cm. If you think he looks weird now why recommend he make things way worse just to worry about the tibia/femur ratio?
I assume he's recommending tibia surgery to improve the biomechanics. The more out of whack the tibia / femur proportions are, the worse the functionality will end up being. (Although I don't think OP necessarily cares about this).
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Do you think you'll need an ITB release to fix the duck / lordosis? How long does Becker think it'll take to fix on it's own otherwise?
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I assume he's recommending tibia surgery to improve the biomechanics. The more out of whack the tibia / femur proportions are, the worse the functionality will end up being. (Although I don't think OP necessarily cares about this).
More important things to concern over. Your right I don’t. No idea what they mean I just take it as a joke 🙂 billions of people with billion opinions we can’t please them all
Do you think you'll need an ITB release to fix the duck / lordosis? How long does Becker think it'll take to fix on its own otherwise?
I had a left ITB tighter last pt meeting. All fixed by stretching I go more in depth in my diary on how this is fixed. And duck is ongoing still working fix it
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Don’t worry friend I take no offense 🙂 I love different opinions it makes things more engaging. It’s some people are not happy or have regrets or issues within them self and want to make others feel like them. Just take it as joke and move on is my mentality.
Check out my diary all of this answered there.
How long is your femurs now according to your xray?
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How long is your femurs now according to your xray?
My last xrays were at 12ish cm. I attached photos of the frontal and side view to my diary
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My last xrays were at 12ish cm. I attached photos of the frontal and side view to my diary
No I mean the total length of femur.
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No I mean the total length of femur.
I dont know
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Hi! I'm going to becker for a first meeting next month and x-ray. Can you tell me something about the painkillers you got and for how long?
I dont want something like oxycontin cause its highly addictive. I'm planning to stay in freiburg for 6 months.
Hope you recover well. Good luck!
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Hi! I'm going to becker for a first meeting next month and x-ray. Can you tell me something about the painkillers you got and for how long?
I dont want something like oxycontin cause its highly addictive. I'm planning to stay in freiburg for 6 months.
Hope you recover well. Good luck!
Best of luck. For me i went over the pain meds in my diary more in detail. I was not on oxycontin but i know others that were. Or if i was on oxycontin during hospital it might have been that time only. the main pain killers that is addicting that i took was tilidine.
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Best of luck. For me i went over the pain meds in my diary more in detail. I was not on oxycontin but i know others that were. Or if i was on oxycontin during hospital it might have been that time only. the main pain killers that is addicting that i took was tilidine.
Thank you!
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Looks good bruh. Nothing looks crazy which shows how wide range of normal is. Best of luck.
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I’d be curious to know your tibia to femur ratio now after lengthening. Normal range is supposed to be about .75-.8. Also I don’t mean to offend you and if you’re happy with how they look and function then all the more to you, but to me your tibia to femur ratio looks WELL beyond 2 standard deviations from the mean of normal humans.
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Thank you!
Welcome
Looks good bruh. Nothing looks crazy which shows how wide range of normal is. Best of luck.
Thank you
I’d be curious to know your tibia to femur ratio now after lengthening. Normal range is supposed to be about .75-.8. Also I don’t mean to offend you and if you’re happy with how they look and function then all the more to you, but to me your tibia to femur ratio looks WELL beyond 2 standard deviations from the mean of normal humans.
Yeah check out my diary
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Yeah check out my diary
Perhaps I just missed it but I couldn’t find anywhere in your diary that states your tibia to femur ratio or measurements either before or after lengthening.
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Perhaps I just missed it but I couldn’t find anywhere in your diary that states your tibia to femur ratio or measurements either before or after lengthening.
I talked about it before. It should be in diary somewhere. There’s like months of content
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Congratulations on an absolutely impressive result (lenght wise and recovery wise)!
If you ever got distrupted by some comments here, let me remind you, that height is immediately noticable by everybody and proportions are almost never noticed by anybody.
Without any doubt you did a good trade.
Plus long legs are attractive in gereral (models, high heels, bikini design).
Wish you a fast recovery. Good to see a positive result.
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Welcome
Thank you
Yeah check out my diary
Thank you for sharing.
Hope you have no pains or complication, smooth recovery!
Your duck ass and swaying are obvious, do a lot of stretching or hydropathy can help alot.
Cheerios!
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Congratulations on an absolutely impressive result (lenght wise and recovery wise)!
If you ever got distrupted by some comments here, let me remind you, that height is immediately noticable by everybody and proportions are almost never noticed by anybody.
Without any doubt you did a good trade.
Plus long legs are attractive in gereral (models, high heels, bikini design).
Wish you a fast recovery. Good to see a positive result.
Take nothing personal and move on :) you already know friend. yes i agree with you
Massive respect, the most length I've ever seen gained on here in a single segment.
Don't pay any attempt to the haters who are bitter they're remaining short. 12cm is absolutely life changing. Some guys just lack the balls to change their life for the better, hence the constant squawking about "safe limits" and going for pathetically low targets.
It looks fine, granted you might want to stay away from beaches and swimming pools, but no one will notice anything when fully clothed and by the time you're nked in front of a girl she's going to bang you anyway at that point. Great job.
It was hard long journey but made it. Everyone wants to be taller but not everyone is willing take the risk and put the work needed. If i was only able to do 3cm and gave up due to pain and not stretching enough, then blame it on consolidation to feel better i would forever have regret too. so its ok i also understand it. just feel sorry for them. but life goes on. yes im just enjoying the result now
Thank you for sharing.
Hope you have no pains or complication, smooth recovery!
Your duck ass and swaying are obvious, do a lot of stretching or hydropathy can help alot.
Cheerios!
yes the final 20% as the PT calls it, fixing the final things through exercise sway, duck, etc and return to normal. its almost like a race against time because the longer you stay like this the harder it is to return to normal. so im working on them all daily
appreciate you guys. this is going to be my last post on this forum. i wont be back to this forum or check anymore. if you want to stay updated or have questions make sure you follow my diary and ask them on there and i will post periodic updates there for you to learn from. good luck all
ask questions or contact on my diary for a response - https://linktr.ee/limblengthening
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Congratulations on 12+ cm. Also, respect to how you're dealing with some of the proportion comments here; you're right, they're all just opinions. In contrast, I'll give you my opinion: your proportions look fine and 12+ cm added height is life changing. I'm happy for you. Best of luck with recovery! Keep us updated
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If you think his proportions are fine, you must be either blind or you are just gaslighting him. Have you seen the videos of him walking? It is literally ridiculous that this surgery is called a cosmestic one after seeing his proportions… Not mentioning the fact he most likely wont do one FULL squat in the future. I am begging people on this forum to be objective.
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If you think his proportions are fine, you must be either blind or you are just gaslighting him. Have you seen the videos of him walking? It is literally ridiculous that this surgery is called a comestic one after seeing his proportions… Not mentioning the fact he most likely wont do one FULL squat in the future. I am begging people on this forum to be objective.
Of course all these guys say his proportions are fine. All are height obsessed weirdos. Even OP with his acid comments towards lessthanaverage... Funny he makes fun of him while looking like a freak and still ending up being shorter than him lol
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Real. I just dont get anyone who has done more than 6 cm on femur/5 cm on tibias. The more I learn about this surgery, proportions and time passes the more I start to "sober". 9 months ago i was sure I would do 11 cms on both segments, now I know that in order to look normal, 8-9cm in both segments is max you can get away with.
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Real. I just dont get anyone who has done more than 6 cm on femur/5 cm on tibias. The more I learn about this surgery, proportions and time passes the more I start to "sober". 9 months ago i was sure I would do 11 cms on both segments, now I know that in order to look normal, 8-9cm in both segments is max you can get away with.
You can get 10-12 in both segments but usually imo 10 lcms is the max. Afterwards torso to lleg ratio starts to look off. Again this is my own personal opinion. If OP is hurt by this and starts insulting me like he did with lessthanaverage, he should just admit to himself that he is ashamed to look at himself in the mirror
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Proportions are cope.
Anyone who thinks being 5’ 3” with “normal” proportions is better than being 5’ 8” with worse proportions is an idiot.
OP has a long road to recovery ahead of him, but his life is definitely going to be better for it.
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Proportions are cope.
Anyone who thinks being 5’ 3” with “normal” proportions is better than being 5’ 8” with worse proportions is an idiot.
OP has a long road to recovery ahead of him, but his life is definitely going to be better for it.
You are right to an extent. The lower the starting height, the less important are proportions. But what is better? 5'8 proportional or 6'1 with 12cm added to femurs?
Imo the first.
The taller you are, the less you need to lengthen to get good results (2 inches added to 5'7-5-9 guys is muuuuuuch more worth than 2 inches added to a 5'3 guy) and the more you have to lose
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You are right to an extent. The lower the starting height, the less important are proportions. But what is better? 5'8 proportional or 6'1 with 12cm added to femurs?
Imo the first.
The taller you are, the less you need to lengthen to get good results (2 inches added to 5'7-5-9 guys is muuuuuuch more worth than 2 inches added to a 5'3 guy) and the more you have to lose
I’m not recommending people do 12 cm on femurs. But everyone’s situation is different. OP’s starting height of 5’ 3” is tiny. Doing only two inches wouldn’t have done very much for him. He’d still be tiny afterwards. He also didn’t have the time or resources to do two surgeries so he had to get what he could out of one surgery. Lastly, he doesn’t care about athletic functionality. That was an acceptable trade-off for him.
Imo, for most people, 8cm on femurs strikes the right balance. Safe. Solid athletic recovery. Meaningful height difference. Doesn’t drastically affect proportions. And do-able in just one surgery.
Going for anything less than 5cm, imo, and this surgery is just not worth it. Better to save your time and money, spare yourself a whole lot of pain / suffering, and focus on other things.
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Real. I just dont get anyone who has done more than 6 cm on femur/5 cm on tibias. The more I learn about this surgery, proportions and time passes the more I start to "sober". 9 months ago i was sure I would do 11 cms on both segments, now I know that in order to look normal, 8-9cm in both segments is max you can get away with.
No. The more you overthink about it the more you become crazy. If you're that worried about proportions then you clearly have body dysmorphic disorder problems. But sure, go do 8cm quadrilateral man. It's your opinion, your money, and your time.
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I’m not recommending people do 12 cm on femurs. But everyone’s situation is different. OP’s starting height of 5’ 3” is tiny. Doing only two inches wouldn’t have done very much for him. He’d still be tiny afterwards. He also didn’t have the time or resources to do two surgeries so he had to get what he could out of one surgery. Lastly, he doesn’t care about athletic functionality. That was an acceptable trade-off for him.
Imo, for most people, 8cm on femurs strikes the right balance. Safe. Solid athletic recovery. Meaningful height difference. Doesn’t drastically affect proportions. And do-able in just one surgery.
Going for anything less than 5cm, imo, and this surgery is just not worth it. Better to save your time and money, spare yourself a whole lot of pain / suffering, and focus on other things.
I agree with you 100% on the first paragraph.
For the second one, from seeing other people post op pics and vids (and my own mock-ups) I think that 6cms is the max on femurs where your proportions look OK... afterwards for some it looks natural while for others imo it doesn't. Same with recovery. 6-6.5cms seems to be practically a guaranteed almost 100% recovery while above it starts to become really different over each patient.
Kinda agree with the final paragraph but for tibs I believe 3-3.5cms to be the minimum (hence why imo it is better to do femurs)
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Of course all these guys say his proportions are fine. All are height obsessed weirdos. Even OP with his acid comments towards lessthanaverage... Funny he makes fun of him while looking like a freak and still ending up being shorter than him lol
That's funny you think he looks like a freak. I think he looks fine. Just goes to show how subjective proportions really is; which is exactly why it's cope.
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And now youre gaslighting yourself
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That's funny you think he looks like a freak. I think he looks fine. Just goes to show how subjective proportions really is; which is exactly why it's cope.
10cms on fems. You can't tell me that looks natural
https://imgur.com/a/lwaEbGT
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It creates a huge discrepancy between tibia and femur length. Most people would notice it seems off, but honestly they may not know why. I care less about it looking weird and more about the safety of consolidating over 12 cm of bone :/ You tell patients with height dysphoria they can do 12+ cm no problem then they’re all obviously going to jump on it and do that, rather than be safe about it and do 6-8.
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It creates a huge discrepancy between tibia and femur length. Most people would notice it seems off, but honestly they may not know why. I care less about it looking weird and more about the safety of consolidating over 12 cm of bone :/ You tell patients with height dysphoria they can do 12+ cm no problem then they’re all obviously going to jump on it and do that, rather than be safe about it and do 6-8.
100% agree, every centimeter above 6.5 cm in the femurs and 4.5 cm in the tibias and recovery and complications increase exponentially.
It's up to each one to decide if it's worth it
but at one point it is just being irresponsible with your own health
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And now youre gaslighting yourself
Nah. I just don’t agree with your opinion. Because it’s just that; an opinion.
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10cms on fems. You can't tell me that looks natural
https://imgur.com/a/lwaEbGT
Looks fine to me
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Looks fine to me
Each to his own I guess..
BTW, this guy is going for another 7cms on tibia with LLT I the coming weeks
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Congratulations!
Just out of curiosity, how did you mange to achieve such an impressive result (did you already have longer legs/high flexibility or special conditions like achondroplasia, etc.), while others only achieve 8-9 at best? Did you just have more motivation or is there something exceptional with your physiology?
I myself am considering to lenghten 12 cm with the same clinic, but I am worrying about not adhering to the 8-9 cm limit. I don't really understand how that works. From your personal experience do you think that there is no such thing as 'natural static limits', and you just have to work harder every cm you gain more? For example, if one patient went through a lot of pain (you can say, went over his 'natural limit') to achieve the same gain, while the other patient almost had none, do you think the complications for the one who went over his natural limit will still be manageable, but with relatively more work? In simple words, if a patient achieved a certain amount within their limits, does that imply that all patients can achieve it, even if it may not be within their natural limit, but with relatively more manageable difficulties?
Also, well, you can always say everyone has different limits, but I don't believe there is a fundamental/major differences in bone/tissue parameters within a similar age group of people of certain height (if you accept that you didn't have any special physiological conditions like increased bone density, unusual muscle flexibility, etc. that could have made your achievement easier), unless I am missing something, so please correct me here if I am wrong.
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Congratulations!
Just out of curiosity, how did you mange to achieve such an impressive result (did you already have longer legs/high flexibility or special conditions like achondroplasia, etc.), while others only achieve 8-9 at best? Did you just have more motivation or is there something exceptional with your physiology?
I myself am considering to lenghten 12 cm with the same clinic, but I am worrying about not adhering to the 8-9 cm limit. I don't really understand how that works. From your personal experience do you think that there is no such thing as 'natural static limits', and you just have to work harder every cm you gain more? For example, if one patient went through a lot of pain (you can say, went over his 'natural limit') to achieve the same gain, while the other patient almost had none, do you think the complications for the one who went over his natural limit will still be manageable, but with relatively more work? In simple words, if a patient achieved a certain amount within their limits, does that imply that all patients can achieve it, even if it may not be within their natural limit, but with relatively more manageable difficulties?
Also, well, you can always say everyone has different limits, but I don't believe there is a fundamental/major differences in bone/tissue parameters within a similar age group of people of certain height (if you accept that you didn't have any special physiological conditions like increased bone density, unusual muscle flexibility, etc. that could have made your achievement easier), unless I am missing something, so please correct me here if I am wrong.
Anyone can lengthen that much. What matters is how functional you'll be after that and this fellow ller haven't even finished primary rehabilitation to see his results.
Almost noone can achieve that lengthenings without major problems afterwards. Even people with much taller initial height. And it is a truly a bad idea to exceed 8cm on femurs or 9 if you are too flexible to begin with. And of course with a fully itb release something that Becken doesn't even do, although he lets craxy amounts of lengthening.
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Proportions are cope.
Anyone who thinks being 5’ 3” with “normal” proportions is better than being 5’ 8” with worse proportions is an idiot.
OP has a long road to recovery ahead of him, but his life is definitely going to be better for it.
The problem is this dude is 5’8” now with the tibias of a dude who’s 5’3” and it just looks pretty jarring. To make matters worse, he looks like he had short tibias to begin with, so now they look really out of place. I know being taller is nice, but his legs look deformed from what he’s done. He’d probably benefit from lengthening his tibias, but then his torso and arms will be too short for his new frame.
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He mentioned that he would probably have a second surgery of tibia after he had recovered mentally and physically from the first surgery.
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He mentioned that he would probably have a second surgery of tibia after he had recovered mentally and physically from the first surgery.
Who are you talking about? A few days ago OP was asked about Tibia LL and OP said not planning or considering it.
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The problem is this dude is 5’8” now with the tibias of a dude who’s 5’3” and it just looks pretty jarring. To make matters worse, he looks like he had short tibias to begin with, so now they look really out of place. I know being taller is nice, but his legs look deformed from what he’s done. He’d probably benefit from lengthening his tibias, but then his torso and arms will be too short for his new frame.
Here’s another dude that did 11.5cm. His life has been majorly improved. Almost no one in the outside world is going to notice proportions:
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=69034.msg268348#msg268348
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Here’s another dude that did 11.5cm. His life has been majorly improved. Almost no one in the outside world is going to notice proportions:
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=69034.msg268348#msg268348
StandTaller started with femurs that were literally shorter than his tibias fyi. So him doing 11cm is like a normal person doing 7 or 8.
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StandTaller started with femurs that were literally shorter than his tibias fyi. So him doing 11cm is like a normal person doing 7 or 8.
Source?
The average Tibia to Femur ratio is 0.80 with a standard deviation of like 0.02. You’re telling me this dude is like 10 standard deviations above the average? I don’t buy that at all.
In this study of over 1000 people, no one was remotely close to having tibias longer than their femur:
https://www.mdpi.com/2673-4036/1/2/9
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StandTaller started with femurs that were literally shorter than his tibias fyi. So him doing 11cm is like a normal person doing 7 or 8.
Are you sure this is true?? Do you have source? I have been following stand taller logs for a long time and never heard this till now.
Source?
The average Tibia to Femur ratio is 0.80 with a standard deviation of like 0.02. You’re telling me this dude is like 10 standard deviations above the average? I don’t buy that at all.
In this study of over 1000 people, no one was remotely close to having tibias longer than their femur:
https://www.mdpi.com/2673-4036/1/2/9
I also don’t buy it. I did 10cm on femurs. Before and after never got 1 single comment or look towards my porportions. I’m healed and waking normal long time. I looks completely regular. OP also looks normal on his poroptions. Only thing visible anyone can honestly tell is anterior pelvic tilt which needs physical therapy to resolve. Much respect to OP he a legend. I did it on my femurs and literally nobody can even tell nothing about no proportions
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Source?
The average Tibia to Femur ratio is 0.80 with a standard deviation of like 0.02. You’re telling me this dude is like 10 standard deviations above the average? I don’t buy that at all.
In this study of over 1000 people, no one was remotely close to having tibias longer than their femur:
https://www.mdpi.com/2673-4036/1/2/9
The source is on the literal first page of his journal link that you provided: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=69034.msg268348#msg268348
Quote from StandTaller:
"Luckily I have very short femurs, much shorter than my tibias. My proportions know are very poor and after going 11cm it will be very good and darn close to ideal."
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The source is on the literal first page of his journal link that you provided: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=69034.msg268348#msg268348
Quote from StandTaller:
"Luckily I have very short femurs, much shorter than my tibias. My proportions know are very poor and after going 11cm it will be very good and darn close to ideal."
I was right. You did cut it off to hide context. He talking about the seat in comparison. Some airline seats are bigger or smaller depending on the airplane or section of plane.
He is not saying his femurs are actually smaller in comparison to his tibias. It’s the seat in comparison. It’s dishonest what you did. I posted his full conversation below
Quote from StandTaller:
“I actually measured how much room I would have with 11cm more on an airplane seat on my to Germany. I should have plenty. Luckily I have very short femurs, much shorter than my tibias. My proportions know are very poor and after going 11cm it will be very good and darn close to ideal.“
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I was right. You did cut it off to hide context. He talking about the seat in comparison. Some airline seats are bigger or smaller depending on the airplane or section of plane.
He is not saying his femurs are actually smaller in comparison to his tibias. It’s the seat in comparison. It’s dishonest what you did. I posted his full conversation below
Quote from StandTaller:
“I actually measured how much room I would have with 11cm more on an airplane seat on my to Germany. I should have plenty. Luckily I have very short femurs, much shorter than my tibias. My proportions know are very poor and after going 11cm it will be very good and darn close to ideal.“
Is your reading comprehension that of a 5 year old? It not taken out of context its actually very clear.
"I have very short femurs, much shorter than my tibias"
"My proportions know are very poor"
What part of this do you not understand? It has nothing to do with the airline seats or them in comparison to his legs. I have no idea how you could even arrive at that.
Theres an entire discussion amongst like 4 people (including him) further down the chain discussing his tibias being longer than his femurs. So it appears that you're the only one that doesnt seem to get it.
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Is your reading comprehension that of a 5 year old? It not taken out of context its actually very clear.
"I have very short femurs, much shorter than my tibias"
"My proportions know are very poor"
What part of this do you not understand? It has nothing to do with the airline seats or them in comparison to his legs. I have no idea how you could even arrive at that.
Theres an entire discussion amongst like 4 people (including him) further down the chain discussing his tibias being longer than his femurs. So it appears that you're the only one that doesnt seem to get it.
No, I think he is right. He was referring to the plane seat and not being literal.
I did some sleuthing. Here goes.
On March 23, he says his femurs are 45cm and his tibias are 37cm. On April 16, he says he has reached 172 cm in length after 7cm lengthening from his original 165cm. So we can estimate that in the month that passed he gained roughly 3 cm. Which means on March 23, he had only lengthened about 4cm.
That means his original femurs are 41 cm and his tibias are 37 cm.
So, no, his femurs aren’t literally shorter than his tibias. I would also be willing to bet that he’s underestimating how long his femurs are. It is common for people to overestimate how long their tibias are and to underestimate how long their femurs are due to the head of the femurs being above the trachonter landmark on the hips.
He himself, in his diary, mentions not being super sure how to measure his tibias and femurs. So it is very likely he made the measuring mistakes most people make. I would guess his original tibia to femur ratio is between 0.83 - 0.90. Longer than most people’s ratio, yes, but nowhere near “femurs shorter than tibia” as you suggested.
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No, I think he is right. He was referring to the plane seat and not being literal.
I did some sleuthing. Here goes.
On March 23, he says his femurs are 45cm and his tibias are 37cm. On April 16, he says he has reached 172 cm in length after 7cm lengthening from his original 165cm. So we can estimate that in the month that passed he gained roughly 3 cm. Which means on March 23, he had only lengthened about 4cm.
That means his original femurs are 41 cm and his tibias are 37 cm.
So, no, his femurs aren’t literally shorter than his tibias. I would also be willing to bet that he’s underestimating how long his femurs are. It is common for people to overestimate how long their tibias are and to underestimate how long their femurs are due to the head of the femurs being above the trachonter landmark on the hips.
He himself, in his diary, mentions not being super sure how to measure his tibias and femurs. So it is very likely he made the measuring mistakes most people make. I would guess his original tibia to femur ratio is between 0.83 - 0.90. Longer than most people’s ratio, yes, but nowhere near “femurs shorter than tibia” as you suggested.
Bud, theres no possible way to misinterpret what he said. He verbatim said his femurs are shorter than his tibias. It has nothing to do with the f-cking airplane seat.
Could he be wrong in his statement? Sure thats possible. If this is bothering you so much you should just go ask him. Hes on the forum.
Regardless, from your own measurements: 37/41 = .90 Thats still an absurd ratio. He started with very short femurs.
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Bud, theres no possible way to misinterpret what he said. He verbatim said his femurs are shorter than his tibias. It has nothing to do with the f-cking airplane seat.
Could he be wrong in his statement? Sure thats possible. If this is bothering you so much you should just go ask him. Hes on the forum.
Regardless, from your own measurements: 37/41 = .90 Thats still an absurd ratio. He started with very short femurs.
Yes I agree with you lol. He misspoke. He wasn’t being literal with his statement “my femurs are shorter than tibias” seeing as how he didn’t even know how long they were a few months later.
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Yes I agree with you lol. He misspoke. He wasn’t being literal with his statement “my femurs are shorter than tibias” seeing as how he didn’t even know how long they were a few months later.
it is so strange to argue and debate when the owner was not really responding at all! LOL
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it is so strange to argue and debate when the owner was not really responding at all! LOL
Who’s the owner? XD
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Jesus what the hell was Becker thinking
https://youtu.be/fCoHb41zJP0?si=BCsOnHflIIwDybk8 (https://youtu.be/fCoHb41zJP0?si=BCsOnHflIIwDybk8)
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Jesus what the hell was Becker thinking
https://youtu.be/fCoHb41zJP0?si=BCsOnHflIIwDybk8 (https://youtu.be/fCoHb41zJP0?si=BCsOnHflIIwDybk8)
Yah that’s what I watched too :| idc if he says the nail is full weight bearing, something is bound to go wrong. No doctor with credibility should approve this for patient safety.
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Yah that’s what I watched too :| idc if he says the nail is full weight bearing, something is bound to go wrong. No doctor with credibility should approve this for patient safety.
May I ask, how do you know something is bound to go wrong? I sense fearmongering here. It was his decision to lenghten a certain amount and if he has any complications, he has to deal with them himself. Besides, as far as I've read, there are almost no untreatable complications.
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No, I think he is right. He was referring to the plane seat and not being literal.
I did some sleuthing. Here goes.
On March 23, he says his femurs are 45cm and his tibias are 37cm. On April 16, he says he has reached 172 cm in length after 7cm lengthening from his original 165cm. So we can estimate that in the month that passed he gained roughly 3 cm. Which means on March 23, he had only lengthened about 4cm.
That means his original femurs are 41 cm and his tibias are 37 cm.
So, no, his femurs aren’t literally shorter than his tibias. I would also be willing to bet that he’s underestimating how long his femurs are. It is common for people to overestimate how long their tibias are and to underestimate how long their femurs are due to the head of the femurs being above the trachonter landmark on the hips.
He himself, in his diary, mentions not being super sure how to measure his tibias and femurs. So it is very likely he made the measuring mistakes most people make. I would guess his original tibia to femur ratio is between 0.83 - 0.90. Longer than most people’s ratio, yes, but nowhere near “femurs shorter than tibia” as you suggested.
His original height was 161.3cm if you click on his diary it’s literally the first thing at the top. Not sure where you pulled 165cm from but I’m sure that means all your other calculations are totally off.
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May I ask, how do you know something is bound to go wrong? I sense fearmongering here. It was his decision to lenghten a certain amount and if he has any complications, he has to deal with them himself. Besides, as far as I've read, there are almost no untreatable complications.
because you need to consolidate 12+ cm of bone which is incredibly difficult to do. You’re walking effectively on a singular, very long nail and minimal callus that could definitely give way and bend. I linked earlier a thread where the validity of full weight bearing on betzbone was heavily questioned. Also did you see him walking? it looks horrible aesthetically at such a dramatic length with shorter tibias - I’ve seen others go toward 9cm and even that was seriously pushing the limit. The complications get exponentially worse when you lengthen that much. I’ll happily eat my words if I see no nail bend on x rays and full consolidation in a year.
“ In spite of the extensive experience of the treating surgeon, many soft tissue and bone problems are possibly expected. Safety of the patient has to be more important than gaining more length [42]. For example, if a weak regeneration zone develops, which is not responsive to cycles of compression distraction, the surgeon has to reduce the expected area of lengthening by gradual compression to improve the regeneration and avoid nonunion. In our opinion we think that this procedure has to be undertaken by a surgeon with great experience in the field to handle the potential complications”
“ We believe that optimum lengthening of the lower limbs can be done only up to 5 to 7 cm, beyond which outcome may be suboptimal in view of cosmesis (trunk-limb proportions) [4, 19], altered biomechanics, and soft tissue function [10]. ”
https://jorthoptraumatol.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s10195-019-0541-3
And yes - often the complications are treatable with procedures like bone grafting. But then let’s be blunt about those risks and additional costs upfront if we are going to start advertising 12+ cm as safe.
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His original height was 161.3cm if you click on his diary it’s literally the first thing at the top. Not sure where you pulled 165cm from but I’m sure that means all your other calculations are totally off.
On March 26, he says this (quoted):
“I've now reached 7cm and I now stand at 172cm tall, and I feel tall around people who are at my old height now. I have two sisters who are a 166cm and 167cm tall, and there is a clear difference in our height - and knowing I was shorter than them that is such a weird and special feeling. And this is still wide duckass and wide-legs, so in reality I am not actually 172cm yet.”
172 - 7 = 165, right?
The larger point here is that he says a lot of things in his diary. Some contradictory. I wouldn’t take his statements at face value.
If you have a photo of him standing straight before surgery, we can lay this to rest lol.
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On March 26, he says this (quoted):
“I've now reached 7cm and I now stand at 172cm tall, and I feel tall around people who are at my old height now. I have two sisters who are a 166cm and 167cm tall, and there is a clear difference in our height - and knowing I was shorter than them that is such a weird and special feeling. And this is still wide duckass and wide-legs, so in reality I am not actually 172cm yet.”
172 - 7 = 165, right?
The larger point here is that he says a lot of things in his diary. Some contradictory. I wouldn’t take his statements at face value.
If you have a photo of him standing straight before surgery, we can lay this to rest lol.
This guy seems to be a bull ter then. I don’t know what the truth is about the whole thing. But even without any measurements, it’s apparent to anyone his legs look out of whack. Hopefully for this guy’s sake he either always wears long pants or maybe decides to do tibias.
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After we stop lengthening, how many days gap should we take before frame removal surgery?
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How many days should we take break, after our limb lengthening Target reached , before we remove frame?
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If somebody thinks 12 cm on their femurs is safe, they need to stop spreading fake news, and tempting others to play with fire.
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It's been 8 days since my fixation removal but my pain level is still at 7/10 daily. My physiotherapist and doctor Dont know the reason why. When did your pain begin to go away. If I use painkillers it makes it 3/10. I don't want to use painkillers and be pain free but It just seems impossible at this point
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Are you sure this is true?? Do you have source? I have been following stand taller logs for a long time and never heard this till now.
I also don’t buy it. I did 10cm on femurs. Before and after never got 1 single comment or look towards my porportions. I’m healed and waking normal long time. I looks completely regular. OP also looks normal on his poroptions. Only thing visible anyone can honestly tell is anterior pelvic tilt which needs physical therapy to resolve. Much respect to OP he a legend. I did it on my femurs and literally nobody can even tell nothing about no proportions
Good to hear also planning on 10cm Femurs but my ratio us 0.80 for the start. What was yours?
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I thought Betzbone could elongate only upto 12cm ?
the 12.5cm max height advertised on betz website is 12cm from betzbone nail + 0.5cm gap made during initial osteotomy
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If somebody thinks 12 cm on their femurs is safe, they need to stop spreading fake news, and tempting others to play with fire.
Well said. No sensible doctor also let patients to lengthen that much. Only Betz did and the same continues with his apprentice who thinks LL is a boob job as the ones he used to do.
Anyone who does that amount of LL will suffer the consequences of knee pain, premature arthritis etc.
Noone should do more than 8cm on femurs and thats the end of discussion.