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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: VertiCali on June 15, 2024, 08:53:10 PM
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I'm a 5'6 male with a 5'9 wingspan. My femur and tibia are about ~37cm each, which I assume is unusual, but convenient for LL, especially on the femurs.
I did some mockups of what I might look like with 8cm on my femur, 5cm on my humerus, and 5cm on my tibia and the end result looks like a very normal looking 5'11 male with a 6'1 wingspan and really no issues in terms of proportionality.
Is this realistic? Am I being a bit overzealous here? Is there something I've not taken into consideration. I could be content with just a single LL to 5'9, but I feel like if I'm gonna do it, why not go all the way?
I live in the LA area so it is kind of a given that I'd go with Dr. Shahab Mahboubian, unless others have a better suggestion.
Despite how superficial this city is, I will say that dating and women aren't really my motivations here as my height hasn't really held me back too much in that area (although I'm sure it would have given it a huge boost had I had the height to go along with the charm and the good looking face). The biggest thing for me is the emasculation I feel around my professional peers due to my height, where quite a few of the women are also taller than me. One should command a certain presence when one is leading a large group of people, but I don't think I'll ever have that effect with this height. I really abhor taking photos with people as a result, an exercise that's become increasingly difficult for me to avoid lately.
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One other question I've also wanted to ask, if there are others here who've done tibia LL is regarding this peculiar phenomenon I've noticed on certain people who've had LL on their tibia where instead of being stretched out and thinner, the lower leg muscles actually become much bigger than they were before. Has that been your observation as well? That's probably the biggest secondary reason for also doing my tibia (if it will add volume to it) because what I have right now are basically chicken legs.
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Humerus is extreme IMO and doing 5 inches is not necessary. Do 3 or 4 inches max and focus on recovery instead. 3 LL is no joke, man.
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Humerus is extreme IMO and doing 5 inches is not necessary. Do 3 or 4 inches max and focus on recovery instead. 3 LL is no joke, man.
Extreme in the sense that it's not necessary or that it's a more difficult journey than other LL surgeries? I figured since Paley and a couple of other doctors offer it cosmetically, that it's probably not too crazy. Has anyone here done it?
Personally, wouldn't mind just a 3in on my femur and 2in on my humerus (one year apart) and leave it at that.
I suppose I can consider tibia some later down the road. I care more about natural proportions than I do maximum height so the tibia thing is just the icing on the cake I can consider later on.
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The arm lengthening is optional.
Nobody on the street measures your proportion.
No woman on bed measures your proportion.
Only people on this forum and YOU are measuring your proportion.
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Well, unless you have visible disproportion between limbs, it's ok not to lengthen your arms.
IMO, if your humerus and forearm look proportionate to each other and humerus descends normally relative to torso while the hands descend below crotch (at least to mid thigh), it's ok. The thing is your arms should look harmonious relative to your torso and pelvis. IMO, most people who have negative ape index at their natural height pre-LL tend to look bad even without LL.
Take Henry Cavill for example who, IMO, has at least -5 inch ape index. His arms look suspicious because he naturally has severe negative ape index, which is not the result of LL but he was born with it. The same goes for Artem Lobov guy. He looks weird because he was born with underdeveloped arms for his body.
Now, there are limits of course, no matter how harmonious your arm length looks relative to your upper body and pelvis. If you go for too much on femurs, the distance from hands to knees will look too long and it will look suspicious.
IMO, 2 inches on tibia and 3 inches on femur is the absolute max one can do if his arms look normal relative to his body pre-LL and if and only if he has very short legs relative to torso to begin with. If one is already leggy, he will look really bad with 5 inches of LL, there's no question about it.
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The arm lengthening is optional.
Nobody on the street measures your proportion.
No woman on bed measures your proportion.
Only people on this forum and YOU are measuring your proportion.
Concern about arm length and being proportional for me has very little (read: nothing) to do with women. Even the the height thing is more to treat a general psychological issue than it is specifically being women centric. I have a fiance who is more or less my height and who many might think is a model. I've actually been quite lucky when it comes to women, despite my height disadvantage.
Now, of course, I've always dreamed of being noticeably taller than her, but my stature relative to the average male (and my brothers who are all 5'10 and 5'11) is really the main thing that bothers me and if the humerus lengthening is not highly invasive, I have no problem putting up with it for 6 months for the lifetime of psychological comfort it would give me. I'm technically average height where I was born, but obviously not so here in the US.
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Well, unless you have visible disproportion between limbs, it's ok not to lengthen your arms.
IMO, if your humerus and forearm look proportionate to each other and humerus descends normally relative to torso while the hands descend below crotch (at least to mid thigh), it's ok. The thing is your arms should look harmonious relative to your torso and pelvis. IMO, most people who have negative ape index at their natural height pre-LL tend to look bad even without LL.
Take Henry Cavill for example who, IMO, has at least -5 inch ape index. His arms look suspicious because he naturally has severe negative ape index, which is not the result of LL but he was born with it. The same goes for Artem Lobov guy. He looks weird because he was born with underdeveloped arms for his body.
Now, there are limits of course, no matter how harmonious your arm length looks relative to your upper body and pelvis. If you go for too much on femurs, the distance from hands to knees will look too long and it will look suspicious.
IMO, 2 inches on tibia and 3 inches on femur is the absolute max one can do if his arms look normal relative to his body pre-LL and if and only if he has very short legs relative to torso to begin with. If one is already leggy, he will look really bad with 5 inches of LL, there's no question about it.
My wingspan, as I mentioned, is 5'9, so my arms are slightly on the longer side for my height and my legs on the shorter side. The tip of my finger reaches around 2/3 of the way down my thighs to my knees. But after lengthening, I would hate to feel self-conscious about my arms, plus, honestly, I want a long reach commensurate with my new height. Adding 3inches to my femurs to reach 5'9 would make my arms the same length as my height, so it would probably look normal. But if I ever do my tibia to reach 5'11, my arms would appear to be on the shorter side. If I were Asian, I think they would still look normal (i.e consistent with expectations), but I'm a brown North African and short arms aren't all that common amongst people of black/African descent.
So my question is, when you say humerus is extreme, are you saying it's more invasive and more dangerous than other surgeries or is it more about it being unnecessary for normal appearance?
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In my opinion I would say humerus lenghtening after quad LL is a toll your body won't take well. I mean you are not a Baki character, 3 big surgeries on your body have all things needed to be a disaster. I don't think you understand quite well how hard this procedure actually is. Nerves, muscles, blood, and all complicated medical stuff you don't know are compromised with this.
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In my opinion I would say humerus lenghtening after quad LL is a toll your body won't take well. I mean you are not a Baki character, 3 big surgeries on your body have all things needed to be a disaster. I don't think you understand quite well how hard this procedure actually is. Nerves, muscles, blood, and all complicated medical stuff you don't know are compromised with this.
Fair points, but I didn't say humerus after quad. The humerus was after bilateral femur. Tibia, I'm not too concerned about. That can wait years if necessary.
To your point, it's true, I can't say I fully understand how much of a toll this is on my body. But if the issue is "hey this is too much for your body to take at the same time or within a year," I totally understand. But if it's a bad idea in general, even years apart, I'm just curious what the issue is there. I want to fully consider all of the risks associated with it before I do anything.
I think based on the feedback here, I'm not inclined to do more than two procedures within at least a span of 3 years. But the general aversion to humerus lengthening seems to just be instinctual rather than anything scientifically/medically relevant. I'd certainly like to know though if that's wrong.
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Just my opinion but the humerus lengthening seems completely unnecessary. And if after femur lengthening you have the option to go either for tibias or humerus, why on earth would you choose humerus? It's gonna add zero value to your life unlike tibia lengthening.
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if u add one inch to ur humerous that adds two inches to ur wingspan if u havent thought of that. but ur wingspan is really long and i dont think u need humerous lengthening after a 5'11 increase. i mean u would look long in every department but ur muscle stretching arms n legs u would be thinking why. its pretty physical like sore muscles but its everyday until who knows when it heals. at 38 yo ur body aint like it used to be too.
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if u add one inch to ur humerous that adds two inches to ur wingspan if u havent thought of that. but ur wingspan is really long and i dont think u need humerous lengthening after a 5'11 increase. i mean u would look long in every department but ur muscle stretching arms n legs u would be thinking why. its pretty physical like sore muscles but its everyday until who knows when it heals. at 38 yo ur body aint like it used to be too.
38 too old for LL?
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if u add one inch to ur humerous that adds two inches to ur wingspan if u havent thought of that.
Yes, of course. That's why I said my wingspan would be 6'1 at the end with a 2 inch increase.
but ur wingspan is really long and i dont think u need humerous lengthening after a 5'11 increase. i mean u would look long in every department but ur muscle stretching arms n legs u would be thinking why. its pretty physical like sore muscles but its everyday until who knows when it heals. at 38 yo ur body aint like it used to be too.
It looks like you started at my height and planning to do more or less the same? What is your final goal? How has your recovery been for your tibia?
The age thing is a fair point, but my assumption is that I can mitigate much of that by spacing out the procedures over a 3 year period or so.
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No one cares about proportion if you are under 20 cm of lengthening, after that humerus lengthening is necessary imo
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LOL, 20 cm in leg length is huge. It will make any person look disproportionate no matter their starting height and proportions. IMO 5 inches is absolute max from double LL in terms of both, safety and not looking like an alien post lengthening.
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Just of these procedures is extremely difficult. It's easy to say you want to do 3 separate procedures before you have embarked on even one. I will advise you to just do one first, and see what it entails. You may be surprised with the results and be quite satisfied. Make arms the last thing...as there is no height gain there at all to benefit you. And like many said before...you are the only one measuring your proportions, nobody is out there trying to analyze that on you in your daily life. Yes, I've done it, and no...there's no easy CLL.
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Just of these procedures is extremely difficult. It's easy to say you want to do 3 separate procedures before you have embarked on even one. I will advise you to just do one first, and see what it entails. You may be surprised with the results and be quite satisfied. Make arms the last thing...as there is no height gain there at all to benefit you. And like many said before...you are the only one measuring your proportions, nobody is out there trying to analyze that on you in your daily life. Yes, I've done it, and no...there's no easy CLL.
OP, take advice from this guy. 3 LL is no joke, especially 6 inches in legs and then 2 inches in humerus.
Start with tibia as it will look better and is cheap and safe if done fully externally. You can go up to 6 cm and straighten the shins at the same time if they are bowed. You can always do femurs later.
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LOL, 20 cm in leg length is huge. It will make any person look disproportionate no matter their starting height and proportions. IMO 5 inches is absolute max from double LL in terms of both, safety and not looking like an alien post lengthening.
Yes it is huge, but it is consistent with natural variation. It's laughable of how many people on this forum are obsessed with perfect proportions when in reality no one chooses their own proportions except us. People live fine even if they are 65 percent legs though.
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Yes it is huge, but it is consistent with natural variation. It's laughable of how many people on this forum are obsessed with perfect proportions when in reality no one chooses their own proportions except us. People live fine even if they are 65 percent legs though.
Is there any men who are 65 percent legs?
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OP, take advice from this guy. 3 LL is no joke, especially 6 inches in legs and then 2 inches in humerus.
Start with tibia as it will look better and is cheap and safe if done fully externally. You can go up to 6 cm and straighten the shins at the same time if they are bowed. You can always do femurs later.
5 inches, not 6. More likely 4 and some change. But I appreciate the feedback and I think I'll just do one and see. And no, I don't think I'll do tibia first. Given that I already have an almost 1:1 tiba to femur ratio, that would be silly.
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Just of these procedures is extremely difficult. It's easy to say you want to do 3 separate procedures before you have embarked on even one. I will advise you to just do one first, and see what it entails. You may be surprised with the results and be quite satisfied. Make arms the last thing...as there is no height gain there at all to benefit you. And like many said before...you are the only one measuring your proportions, nobody is out there trying to analyze that on you in your daily life. Yes, I've done it, and no...there's no easy CLL.
Thanks for the feedback. I'll take these suggestions under advisement and just do one and see how it turns out. I have a relative who is about 5'10 and he naturally has the proportions I would be after the CLL and it looks good on him. Actually better than other "normal" variants I've seen. So, I'll just see how it turns out. Fortunately for me, most of my height deficit is in my femurs. All other segments, including my tibia and wingspan, seem to be consistent with a person who is 5'9. I'll see if I'll have the appetite to do more later down the road.
What were your gains and procedure, if I may ask?
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So here is a mockup I did of my final proportions for the three possible scenarios:
https://imgur.com/a/UF05VZB
180cm femurs/tibia/humerus | 180cm femurs/tibia | 175cm femurs
(the single barefoot is to equalize the uneven legs)
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Do you really want to do humerus as well? 5'9 wingspan on someone 5'11 isn't even that rare, people like that exists. A single lengthening surgery already takes a toll on you quite heavily and for a minimum of usually 2 years, and you want 3? If you still want it, that's on you, but take into consideration the amount of time and recovery that this is going to take.
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Do you really want to do humerus as well? 5'9 wingspan on someone 5'11 isn't even that rare, people like that exists. A single lengthening surgery already takes a toll on you quite heavily and for a minimum of usually 2 years, and you want 3? If you still want it, that's on you, but take into consideration the amount of time and recovery that this is going to take.
I've decided to play it by ear. I'll do one and see how I feel. I just created the mockups to get a sense of what the different scenarios might look like. I feel like the one with the humerus is the most natural looking one (obviously), but I've looked at them long enough to lose a sense of what's normal now. Maybe others can chime in.
At 5'11 without humerus, I suspect I'm basically in the Chris Benoit territory (who also happened to have been 5'11):
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e6/73/c9/e673c960c5f92eb2f473f4f9835a1608.jpg
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why do you wanna reach 5 ' 11 though ?
5 inch lengthening will make your life miserable when you become old when all pain from all these surgeries flare up.
i do not recommend more than 7 + 5 = 12 cm.
better choice would be 6 + 4 = 10 cm.
also, you are not some teenager. you are almost 40. by the time you do surgery you will probably be 40. 40 years old body recovers significantly slower than young people.
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Some people have brought it up but being nearly 40 what made you want to do LL? I ask as most people here are in their 20s which makes sense as it's still young enough to enjoy the height. Just not sure how much it is worth it when you are into middle age and your youth is well over.
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Some people have brought it up but being nearly 40 what made you want to do LL? I ask as most people here are in their 20s which makes sense as it's still young enough to enjoy the height. Just not sure how much it is worth it when you are into middle age and your youth is well over.
I take it you're not the type of person who likes to read.
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why do you wanna reach 5 ' 11 though ?
5 inch lengthening will make your life miserable when you become old when all pain from all these surgeries flare up.
i do not recommend more than 7 + 5 = 12 cm.
better choice would be 6 + 4 = 10 cm.
also, you are not some teenager. you are almost 40. by the time you do surgery you will probably be 40. 40 years old body recovers significantly slower than young people.
Good Lord. Are most people here stupid or just lazy? I'm not debating this topic as nauseam. This has already been discussed. My plan is to do one. My reasons for entertaining more have already been discussed. 40 is not some magical number for being old that 38 isn't. How old are you?
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I take it you're not the type of person who likes to read.
I read you are emasculated, my point is you are into middle age now. No one really cares about your height at your age as you are now seen by society as some old guy. There isn't really return on investment. Makes more sense if you are 25 for example to do this. Sounds like you are going to do it anyway but it is pointless at your age.
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I read you are emasculated, my point is you are into middle age now. No one really cares about your height at your age as you are now seen by society as some old guy. There isn't really return on investment. Makes more sense if you are 25 for example to do this. Sounds like you are going to do it anyway but it is pointless at your age.
Lol I look 32. No one sees me as "some old guy". Thanks for your valuable input. Now run along.
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Lol I look 32. No one sees me as "some old guy". Thanks for your valuable input. Now run along.
Of course you do. Good luck.
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I did 7 cm on femurs in West Palm Beach. It was an interesting journey. I started CLL at age 39...so 38 is not "too old" as some people are saying. Do I wish I could've done it at age 25? Of course. The harsh reality is that this procedure is so costly, many people can't reasonably afford it in their 20's...and there's no way I would have gone to some "bargain clinic" in Turkey or India to get butchered. If you do this, make a diary, kinda wish I had.
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Is there any men who are 65 percent legs?
Go on tall reddit, there are people claiming they are 65 percent legs. Anyways, I will also be among those men after the surgeries.
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Go on tall reddit, there are people claiming they are 65 percent legs. Anyways, I will also be among those men after the surgeries.
Ideal is 50% IMO, more than that doesn't look masculine.
I have 47.59% which is visibly shorter compared to my torso. Armspan is 69 inches, night height is 65 inches.
Interesting to note that Michael Phelps has legs of someone of 68 inches tall and torso of someone of 80 inches tall while standing at 76 inches tall with 80 inches wingspan.
If we assume that his legs are 50% of that of 68 inch man, his leg-to-body ratio is 34 / 76 = 0.4473% which is comically low. He is basically all torso and looks short when not wearing high waist pants with tucked in shirts. That's my problem also, even though my ratio is much higher than his at 47.59%. I tend to wear high waist pants / shorts and always tuck in shirts to balance my lower and upper body.
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I did 7cm femurs, sorry for late reply
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Will you recover 100% and do you play any sports?
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40 is NOT old, many men have thier best years in thier 40's, 50's and 60's, and are likely the most attractive they've ever been too.
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40 is NOT old, many men have thier best years in thier 40's, 50's and 60's, and are likely the most attractive they've ever been too.
It's not. I just turned 38 last month and I'm supposedly an "old man" according to this cretin. lol I figure either he's ignorant because he's child or has been aging like a grape and wants to project his insecurities. Weird take either way.
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I did 7 cm on femurs in West Palm Beach. It was an interesting journey. I started CLL at age 39...so 38 is not "too old" as some people are saying. Do I wish I could've done it at age 25? Of course. The harsh reality is that this procedure is so costly, many people can't reasonably afford it in their 20's...and there's no way I would have gone to some "bargain clinic" in Turkey or India to get butchered. If you do this, make a diary, kinda wish I had.
I'll definitely make a diary. After spending a week with my brothers (those lucky fkers are all between 5'9 and 5'11), taking pictures with them, editing it to see the difference, and comparing our proportions, I've slightly revised my goals. At least my path to getting there. I'll definitely do just one bilateral segment and see how it goes. In fact, I might just do 2inches on my tibia first. I would have never thought I'd go that route a month ago. I was sure I would do femurs, but I've come around to believe that this is now the best course for me. Aside from the fact that I don't want the changes to be too drastic too quickly, I am actually kind of looking forward to the muscle hypertrophy that some people want to avoid (a "side-effect" for some, but definitely a benefit for me). My calves are way too thin right now. The second benefit is that I would have complete control over what my final height would be on my second procedure without having to worry about being disproportionate. I can dial it up to just 5'9/5'10 if I want and be done with it, if I feel it's sufficient. I imagine it would also be easier on my body as the risk of complication has an exponential growth curve. Ultimately, I might just stop at 5'10 with two 2inch LL procedures. I could be content with that and would not look out of place standing with my brothers. Their arm lengths aren't too different from mine.
By the way, how has it been since you had your procedure? Was it worth it?
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Will you recover 100% and do you play any sports?
I don't know whether I will fully recover or not. That's part of why I'm asking this question. I do play sports though not as much as I used to. I do martial arts. I'm getting back up to my old active lifestyle. My flexibility is, I would say, pretty good. I can touch my knees with my face and can do those Van Damme type splits, though not quite all the way. Close though. I'm curious if that will make the process easier for me. But I have kind of resolved to the fact that I might never gain that flexibility again. My hope is that I might go from that to the flexibility of the average person, which I think is a fair trade off.
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Ideal is 50% IMO, more than that doesn't look masculine.
I have 47.59% which is visibly shorter compared to my torso. Armspan is 69 inches, night height is 65 inches.
Interesting to note that Michael Phelps has legs of someone of 68 inches tall and torso of someone of 80 inches tall while standing at 76 inches tall with 80 inches wingspan.
If we assume that his legs are 50% of that of 68 inch man, his leg-to-body ratio is 34 / 76 = 0.4473% which is comically low. He is basically all torso and looks short when not wearing high waist pants with tucked in shirts. That's my problem also, even though my ratio is much higher than his at 47.59%. I tend to wear high waist pants / shorts and always tuck in shirts to balance my lower and upper body.
Your proportions seem to be similar to mine. You could safely lengthen up to 5 inches and be ideal at 50%. Hell, you could probably go a little higher to 6 inches and you'd still be fine, but I think conservative is better if it's close enough.
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At least half of the diaries I've read have been mid to late 30s.
I think the age discussion was mostly prompted by your proposing three surgeries. I just listened to a Paley interview with Victor where Paley says he looks askance at humerus and that, when people come to him proposing several surgeries like this, he suspects there is a mental health problem and does not want to work with them. I can see you're already adjusting your expectations as you consume more CLL content and learn more.
The kid who was on your case here is obviously early 20s if he doesn't know that your market value goes up probably fivefold in your thirties.
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At least half of the diaries I've read have been mid to late 30s.
I think the age discussion was mostly prompted by your proposing three surgeries. I just listened to a Paley interview with Victor where Paley says he looks askance at humerus and that, when people come to him proposing several surgeries like this, he suspects there is a mental health problem and does not want to work with them. I can see you're already adjusting your expectations as you consume more CLL content and learn more.
The kid who was on your case here is obviously early 20s if he doesn't know that your market value goes up probably fivefold in your thirties.
I can totally how that kind of talk can serve as a marker for a potential mental health issue. In my case, it's more my penchant for perfection/ideal than anything else. I suppose there is a bit of an OCPD element there, but I'm definitely mentally stable. I think for most folks here, the significant role stature plays on one's dating life probably lends to the mental health concern.
As I mentioned in one of my previous replies, I've been fortunate that I've had a pretty successful dating life (both casually and seriously, often with women who were in the 8 plus range) so I didn't really have as much of a pressing need to do it sooner, nor do I have that much of a regret that I'm doing it now rather than earlier (although, NGL, I have thought about how much better my otherwise pretty good dating/sex life could have been). I actually heard about CLL when I was in my mid 20's and played sports, but I was soon caught up with building my career (and later a couple of startups, one of which ended up being successful abroad) and still having a lot of fun going out and enjoying life with friends that I kind of forgot about it until recently. I was often so oblivious to the fact that I was as short as I am that my delusional confidence may have made up for it when it comes to women. That and the fact that I was out of the US for most of the last 10 years doing business in a country where the average height was around 5'6 probably made it easier to forget as well.
Once I'd accomplished my financial goals and settled down with my fiancé, I realized I still had these latent/unresolved insecurities. It's one of the reasons I've avoided having a wedding/getting married for all these years, 5 long-term relationships later. For some reason, every girl I've had a serious relationship with (except one) was on the taller side (usually my height, if not slightly taller), including the current one. She says she's 5'6 but is likely 5'7; we don't talk about the fact that she might be taller than me. lol But one thing's for sure, I don't see myself having a wedding unless I'm definitively and unambiguously taller than her. Plus, now that I'm back in the US and much of my professional work is here, it's increasingly more difficult to avoid the reminders, especially when many of my colleagues are on the taller side, including the women. To make matters worse, a majority of the women I work with are in the 5'6-5'9 range. So these are the factors that sort of conspired to make now the right time.
I just hope that the muscle hypertrophy expectation I have for my tibia procedure turns out to be true. I could actually live with not doing any more CLL after that, even if I'm just shy of 5'9, so long as I can finally wear shorts and low top sneakers.
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Very similar oblivious confidence here. I'm also guessing you were never perceived as shorter in middle school and didn't really think about the fact that your classmates were still growing up to 18 and beyond. If so this probably ironically kept us from researching and trying to solve the problem when it would've been easiest to address.
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I read you are emasculated, my point is you are into middle age now. No one really cares about your height at your age as you are now seen by society as some old guy. There isn't really return on investment. Makes more sense if you are 25 for example to do this. Sounds like you are going to do it anyway but it is pointless at your age.
I'm not even near 40 but I strongly disagree. When men age, the importance of height becomes more, not less. A short young man who has a chill attitude, attractive face, style, vibe etc can get away with so many things with women that older men same height cannot. No-one cares about your "cool vibe" anymore when you are 40. Height actually is more important than before, the way I see it.
Secondly, many people here are giving up on life once they reach 40? Lol. A man that ages well and has a successful life, is still very attractive in his 40's. In some cases even more. CLL at 40 yo is still very reasonable, depending on the person.
Some middle aged men are family men, not out in the dating markets and not caring about whatever status improvement LL might bring cause they are not living in that competitive world anymore. Maybe then LL doesn't make sense, but for some it can still bring big advantage.
We aren't telling the middle aged women to stop getting facelifts cause they will never look 20 again. Why should men not do LL then?
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I'm not even near 40 but I strongly disagree. When men age, the importance of height becomes more, not less. A short young man who has a chill attitude, attractive face, style, vibe etc can get away with so many things with women that older men same height cannot. No-one cares about your "cool vibe" anymore when you are 40. Height actually is more important than before, the way I see it.
Secondly, many people here are giving up on life once they reach 40? Lol. A man that ages well and has a successful life, is still very attractive in his 40's. In some cases even more. CLL at 40 yo is still very reasonable, depending on the person.
Some middle aged men are family men, not out in the dating markets and not caring about whatever status improvement LL might bring cause they are not living in that competitive world anymore. Maybe then LL doesn't make sense, but for some it can still bring big advantage.
We aren't telling the middle aged women to stop getting facelifts cause they will never look 20 again. Why should men not do LL then?
I agree with you 100%. LL makes more sense for single men who enter their late 30s and look decent for their age. I myself won't be able to afford it with top surgeons at least for 5 more years and by that time I'll be about 35 years old. Even if it takes another 5 years for me to gather the money, I'll still do it at 40 years of age without hesitation.
People in their 20s view men in their late 30s / early 40s as old fellas who are about to retire and live sedentary lives due to no longer being young which is pathethic to say the least. Of course some men look like grandpas in their 40s and lose interest in active lifestyle but it's 100% dependent on genetics and attitude. So, getting LL at 40 years of age is dependent on many things among which genetic fitness and life attitude are main factors justifying getting the procedure done. I'd even do it at 50 to be honest.
At middle age more and more things are getting important for a man to possess and having longer legs and at least average height is a significant asset indeed. It will certainly help in romantic and business affairs along with having decent savings and good social status (this one is no less important than getting LL though).
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Very similar oblivious confidence here. I'm also guessing you were never perceived as shorter in middle school and didn't really think about the fact that your classmates were still growing up to 18 and beyond. If so this probably ironically kept us from researching and trying to solve the problem when it would've been easiest to address.
Lol exactly! I was a average height for my age until everyone else came back from summer 3 inches taller. I never really struggled with women so it literally never occurred to me that they care so much about height until well into my 20's. In my younger years, I would get girls without really trying because they often approached me, but as I got older, I had to work for it. I never understood why it suddenly became an effort. I only came to the realization during conversation with some of my exes where they describe their ideal man. They all invariably descried a tall man. Without exception. Somehow I made the cut despite not being it, so continued in my (now will*ful)* obliviousness.
It later occurred to me that if I had the height, I would likely have continued to enjoy the effortless experience of my younger years. I do miss it. I can't lie and say that I wouldn't like to experience regularly being approached by women (usually their friend) again. Even if I won't act on it due to my current relationship status, it would be some worthwhile validation.
*Apparently, you can't use words that contain "l.l.f" as it will get rewritten to "LL Forum"
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I'm not even near 40 but I strongly disagree. When men age, the importance of height becomes more, not less. A short young man who has a chill attitude, attractive face, style, vibe etc can get away with so many things with women that older men same height cannot. No-one cares about your "cool vibe" anymore when you are 40. Height actually is more important than before, the way I see it.
Secondly, many people here are giving up on life once they reach 40? Lol. A man that ages well and has a successful life, is still very attractive in his 40's. In some cases even more. CLL at 40 yo is still very reasonable, depending on the person.
Some middle aged men are family men, not out in the dating markets and not caring about whatever status improvement LL might bring cause they are not living in that competitive world anymore. Maybe then LL doesn't make sense, but for some it can still bring big advantage.
We aren't telling the middle aged women to stop getting facelifts cause they will never look 20 again. Why should men not do LL then?
Spot on. Everything you said. 100%!