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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: RaaX on June 04, 2018, 02:55:48 PM
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the more i look into this forums history, the more "mangal parihar" pops up.
2 of the Mods on this forum are actively promoting mangal parihar tbh and who knows how many more undiscovered others are also promoting mangal...
I have seen Mangal Parihar's video on tibial lengthening, he just asks his assistant to THRUST IT IN... wtf?!? this guy claims to be trained by Paley? Paley slowly puts it in and then gently hammers it in bit by bit, carefully and risk free ...
and mangal parihar's hospital is a rubble ... it's in the middle of nowhere and looks like an old 1800s type hospital.
I am surprised at how some of you guys are not seeing this...
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Well me and Kilo had a good result at his hands, so why not say good things about him? Any other Indian doctor would've crippled me.
I've been honest about the long time it took me to recover and everything. Also posted my x-rays and people have criticised him for his osteotomies. He's not a quack and is upfront and honest unlike a lot of posts I've read about other doctors. Edit: oh and I agree about his hospital not being like ones you'd find in US. I wrote in my diary too that it looks like it could be a set for the next Grave Encounters. The operation theatre is state of the art though.
As for your PM asking how I became a mod, the forum voted and made me one. Are mods not allowed to favour doctors? Am I expected to say Sringari and Parihar are equal?
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Well me and Kilo had a good result at his hands, so why not say good things about him? Any other Indian doctor would've crippled me.
I've been honest about the long time it took me to recover and everything. Also posted my x-rays and people have criticised him for his osteotomies. He's not a quack and is upfront and honest unlike a lot of posts I've read about other doctors. Edit: oh and I agree about his hospital not being like ones you'd find in US. I wrote in my diary too that it looks like it could be a set for the next Grave Encounters. The operation theatre is state of the art though.
As for your PM asking how I became a mod, the forum voted and made me one. Are mods not allowed to favour doctors? Am I expected to say Sringari and Parihar are equal?
Penguin, weren't you skeptical of his expertise in internal lengthening?
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Well me and Kilo had a good result at his hands, so why not say good things about him? Any other Indian doctor would've crippled me.
I've been honest about the long time it took me to recover and everything. Also posted my x-rays and people have criticised him for his osteotomies. He's not a quack and is upfront and honest unlike a lot of posts I've read about other doctors. Edit: oh and I agree about his hospital not being like ones you'd find in US. I wrote in my diary too that it looks like it could be a set for the next Grave Encounters. The operation theatre is state of the art though.
As for your PM asking how I became a mod, the forum voted and made me one. Are mods not allowed to favour doctors? Am I expected to say Sringari and Parihar are equal?
can you show me if there is even 1% of proof that he is trained by Paley? after watching most of his LL videos and comparing them to Paley, this guy does it extremely different, the way they thrust in the rod... the way they suture the skin.... etc
as for your diary, i went as far as page 9 tbh, same goes for KiloKAHN, i skimmed through it. Both of your diaries just kinda screams "shill"
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skepticism is good. but why don't you post proofs of the difference in surgical techniques of dr paley and dr parihar that you claim?
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skepticism is good. but why don't you post proofs of the difference in surgical techniques of dr paley and dr parihar that you claim?
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=5m2qcGhmnqw[/video]
look at this video, Mangal is performing a tibia lengthening using LON.
the way he thrusts in the rod at 5:10... are you honestly saying Dr. Paley will thrust the rods like that also? That is extremely risky to do!!
I don't have LON videos of Dr.Paley, only the precise ones which are performed delicately and with professionalism.
and as for the sutures done by Mangal...
(https://i.imgur.com/X9zwIDP.png)
This is a pic of @Penguinn 's legs
They're DEEP SET, it feels like some parts of the muscle has been cut out and then he performed the stitches on top of it.
I have compared this pic to @overrideyourgenetics leg pics who had his Limb lengthening done by Paley.
Override doesn't have deep set sutures.
https://www.instagram.com/overrideyourgenetics/ (can't embed)
Mangal is obviously doing everything wrong.
in fact Penguinn was his first ever patient for the Precise method lengthening and Mangal didn't even know about the nails weightbearing limit(WTF!?) and had to ask Paley via email AFTER performing the surgery... according to Penguinn's diary.
as for what his hospital looks like...
here we go
(https://doctors-production.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/practice_location_attachment/image/4579/out.JPG)
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[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=5m2qcGhmnqw[/video]
look at this video, Mangal is performing a tibia lengthening using LON.
the way he thrusts in the rod at 5:10... are you honestly saying Dr. Paley will thrust the rods like that also? That is extremely risky to do that.
I don't have LON videos of Dr.Paley, only the precise ones which are performed delicately and with professionalism.
and as for the sutures done by Mangal...
(https://i.imgur.com/X9zwIDP.png)
This is a pic of @Penguinn 's legs
They're DEEP SET, it feels like some parts of the muscle has been cut out and then he performed the stitches on top of it.
I have compared this pic to @overridegenetics leg pics who had his Limb lengthening done by Paley.
Override doesn't have deep set sutures.
https://www.instagram.com/overrideyourgenetics/ (can't embed)
Mangal is obviously doing everything wrong.
in fact Penguinn was his first ever patient for the Precise method lengthening and Mangal didn't even know about the nails weightbearing limit(WTF!?) and had to ask Paley via email AFTER performing the surgery... according to Penguinn's diary.
Could you give me the link of the video of Paley doing PRECICE?
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Could you give me the link of the video of Paley doing PRECICE?
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Hmq4WEpjA[/video]
My bad, I thought this video was of Paley but instead it is of Rozbruch
but my point still remains. These 2 are considered the best and anyone trained under them should be near equals especially if they too have been performing lengthening surgeries for a long period of time but mangal apparently does not show this level of professionalism yet he is crowned over here at times which led me to believe this forum has got active shills.
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the more i look into this forums history, the more "mangal parihar" pops up.
2 of the Mods on this forum are actively promoting mangal parihar tbh and who knows how many more undiscovered others are also promoting mangal...
I have seen Mangal Parihar's video on tibial lengthening, he just asks his assistant to THRUST IT IN... wtf?!? this guy claims to be trained by Paley? Paley slowly puts it in and then gently hammers it in bit by bit, carefully and risk free ...
and mangal parihar's hospital is a rubble ... it's in the middle of nowhere and looks like an old 1800s type hospital.
I am surprised at how some of you guys are not seeing this...
I will give you my true and unbiased opinion here. Parihar is a surgeon I am considering (besides Xia/Lee, Solomin and Barinov). I also got the feeling that this site is a bit biased towards Parihar - though I don't think Parihar is a bad surgeon - and a bit unfairly biased against some like Sarin. That said - it is understandable since the mods like kilokahn have had satisfactory experience with Parihar. Yes - I did not like pics of Parihar's hospital (and I am from India :) myself) pics looked very bad - and I asked about it here and nobody responded - but, that said - in India outside looks of hospitals are overlooked by patients so I can't blame Parihar - if patients dont care about outside hospital looks and he gets business then he has no incentive to move to a nicer place. My biggest issue with Parihar is - his patients - though they had no major complications - recover very slow - slower than any other doctors's patients. But, I must say - based on my interaction with Parihar's clinic - they are very very honest people and unlike many other doctors they dont run after money.
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You're being paranoid, Dr Parihar isn't affiliated with this forum. We used to have other mods that went to other doctors, one who had his surgery done at the facility in Beijing, one who went to Dr Birkholtz in SA, and one who went to Dr Paley, but they're no longer active and have moved on.
Proof that Dr Parihar was trained by Dr Paley if you're not willing to look at Dr Parihar's own documentation is in Dr Paley's CV on page 7 where some of his research fellows are listed: http://www.lengthening.us/files/Dr__Paley__short__22_page_CV.pdf (http://www.lengthening.us/files/Dr__Paley__short__22_page_CV.pdf)
"1/92-12/92 Mangal Parihar, MD; Bombay, India, Project: Geometry of Fracture Deformities"
You can't compare the technique for how an internal femur nail is inserted to how a tibial nail for LON is inserted, first step would be comparing the same limb and method.
The hospital was built by his father in the 70's IIRC. It could use updating on the exterior, but the OT is nicely kept and sterile, he's not performing surgery in a dirty room where you can get infections. And MDOW who had his surgery in Beijing said the rooms, especially the bathrooms, were equal to or better than the ones they had at the Beijing facility. Since you're only in the hospital for 7 to 10 days before moving on to a hotel, I don't see it as a big deal (but maybe that's just me).
As to the positive words spoken about him, it's just going to look like he gets extra praise that other doctors don't simply because he's the only surgeon in India who so far hasn't had any horror stories. If someone says "Don't do your surgery in India, all the doctors there will cripple you", I don't think it's unfair or promotion to say "Well that's not true for the whole country, I had a good experience with Dr Parihar."
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I will give you my true and unbiased opinion here. Parihar is a surgeon I am considering (besides Xia/Lee, Solomin and Barinov). I also got the feeling that this site is a bit biased towards Parihar - though I don't think Parihar is a bad surgeon - and a bit unfairly biased against some like Sarin. That said - it is understandable since the mods like ilokahn have had satisfactory experience with Parihar. Yes - I did not like pics of Parihar's hospital (and I am from India :) myself) pics looked very bad - and I asked about it here and nobody responded - but, that said - in India outside looks of hospitals are overlooked by patients so I can't blame Parihar - if patients dont care about outside hospital looks and he gets business then he has no incentive to move to a nicer place. My biggest issue with Parihar is - his patients - though they had no major complications - recover very slow - slower than any other doctors's patients.
Dude, I consider Pakistan a giant shethole & a failed country that has no chance of recovery and i am from Pakistan(don't live there tho) but even their hospitals in main cities like Islamabad don't look as bad as Mangals from the outside(Mangal's hospital resembles village hospitals i saw in Pakistan and they were all disastrous)
Mumbai is called the city of dreams in India so in all honesty, i was expecting something decent tbh especially since the Mangal is so popular here and even advertises being trained by "Dr.Paley"
This all just feels like a giant shilling going on.
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My biggest issue with Parihar is - his patients - though they had no major complications - recover very slow - slower than any other doctors's patients
yes possibly. probably because he is hesitant to let you weight bear early on.
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You're being paranoid, Dr Parihar isn't affiliated with this forum. We used to have other mods that went to other doctors, one who had his surgery done at the facility in Beijing, one who went to Dr Birkholtz in SA, and one who went to Dr Paley, but they're no longer active and have moved on.
Proof that Dr Parihar was trained by Dr Paley if you're not willing to look at Dr Parihar's own documentation is in Dr Paley's CV on page 7 where some of his research fellows are listed: http://www.lengthening.us/files/Dr__Paley__short__22_page_CV.pdf (http://www.lengthening.us/files/Dr__Paley__short__22_page_CV.pdf)
"1/92-12/92 Mangal Parihar, MD; Bombay, India, Project: Geometry of Fracture Deformities"
You can't compare the technique for how an internal femur nail is inserted to how a tibial nail for LON is inserted, first step would be comparing the same limb and method.
The hospital was built by his father in the 70's IIRC. It could use updating on the exterior, but the OT is nicely kept and sterile, he's not performing surgery in a dirty room where you can get infections. And MDOW who had his surgery in Beijing said the rooms, especially the bathrooms, were equal to or better than the ones they had at the Beijing facility. Since you're only in the hospital for 7 to 10 days before moving on to a hotel, I don't see it as a big deal (but maybe that's just me).
As to the positive words spoken about him, it's just going to look like he gets extra praise that other doctors don't simply because he's the only surgeon in India who so far hasn't had any horror stories. If someone says "Don't do your surgery in India, all the doctors there will cripple you", I don't think it's unfair or promotion to say "Well that's not true for the whole country, I had a good experience with Dr Parihar."
Didn't he cause an unintended crack in your bones when you had your tibias done? i have so far went to page 5 of your diary.
the rooms are like a trip down memory lane..
(http://s5d2.turboimg.net/sp/67f0a81e6e1e5638d68728849fecae7d/ma_bathroom_1.jpg)
(http://s5d2.turboimg.net/sp/75ac70fb26b3f4723b33559f74fd8aeb/ma_room_2.jpg)
(http://s5d2.turboimg.net/sp/e45baf4046e8ac97106b5ca42fad6ef8/ma_room_1.jpg)
This looks ancient to me, i highly doubt Beijing(capital) hospitals look like this especially if they are private hospitals
I live in Hong Kong and i mostly went in and out of government hospitals and even they don't have rooms that look this... rusty.
Dude, a person has to be worried about living in a dirty room, you can catch an infection easily, you have an open wound!!!
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Dude, I consider Pakistan a giant shethole & a failed country that has no chance of recovery and i am from Pakistan(don't live there tho) but even their hospitals in main cities like Islamabad don't look as bad as Mangals from the outside(Mangal's hospital resembles village hospitals i saw in Pakistan and they were all disastrous)
Mumbai is called the city of dreams in India so in all honesty, i was expecting something decent tbh especially since the Mangal is so popular here and even advertises being trained by "Dr.Paley"
This all just feels like a giant shilling going on.
man, if you are here to compare Pakistan with India, then you are making me laugh. India has some of the best hospitals int here world and if you want good looking ones - check out Paras gurgaon (sarin works there), hinduja mumbai, lilavati mumbai, AIIMS, JIPMER, CMC vellore, Wockardt, medanta, fortis, apollo, columbia asia, artemis, manipal, HCG cancer center bangalore, TATA - I can go on (and most of these have huge hospitals in many cities around world - check out in internet). You are getting confused - Sarin is one guy who runs a clinic and yes his clinic's exterior is not well maintained. End of story.
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man, if you are here to compare Pakistan with India, then you are making me laugh. India has some of the best hospitals int here world and if you want good looking ones - check out Paras gurgaon (sarin works there), hinduja mumbai, lilavati mumbai, AIIMS, JIPMER, CMC vellore, Wockardt, medanta, fortis, apollo - I can go on (and most of these have huge hospitals in many cities around world - check out in internet). You are getting confused - Sarin is one guy who runs a clinic and yes his clinic's exterior is not well maintained. End of story.
I am not saying "who is the best"(to rid confusion, please re-read my post, i have already said Pakistan is a shethole & has no chance of recovery)
what i am trying to say is if mangal is running a PRIVATE hospital in a CITY then he should at least fix its layout because in all honesty, looking at it would scare anyone and start questioning the authenticity of Mangal Parihar.
He should strive to make his hospital to look as good as Paras Gurgaon tbh especially if he is promoting LL.
LL is something that should not be taken lightly especially with all the risks associated with it, imo this is by far the most dangerous cosmetic surgery of all(next to lefort 3 and orbital decompressions etc) so based on this, he NEEDS to fix his hospital.
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I am not saying "who is the best"(to rid confusion, please re-read my post, i have already said Pakistan is a shethole & has no chance of recovery)
what i am trying to say is if mangal is running a PRIVATE hospital in a CITY then he should at least fix its layout because in all honesty, looking at it would scare anyone and start questioning the authenticity of Mangal Parihar.
See, maybe you are new here, huge sprawling awesome hospitals and limb lengthening surgeons are different things - dont mix both. For exmaple - Sringari (I wrote Sarin by mistake) works in Paras gurgaon (a huge hospital, checkout photos) but what does that mean? he has bad outcomes. Parihar runs his own tty looking clinic (inside it is clean enough) but has good outcomes.
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See, maybe you are new here, huge sprawling awesome hospitals and limb lengthening surgeons are different things - dont mix both. For exmaple - Sringari (I wrote Sarin by mistake) works in Paras gurgaon (a huge hospital, checkout photos) but what does that mean? he has bad outcomes. Parihar runs his own tty looking clinic (inside it is clean enough) but has good outcomes.
Parihar has made mistakes too, they just aren't reported that often(i have went till page 9 of Penguinn's diary where he mentions he was the first Precise patient of parihar and parihar had to ask Paley after the surgery about the weightbearing ... and then for kiloKAHN, i have went till page 5 and kilo mentions parihar made an accidental crack when he was trying to halve it)and i haven't dug deep enough on this forum yet to find more mistakes.
I believe if Parihar makes mistakes, they won't be reported often because of his obscurity(he is gaining momentum tho) but Sringari will be more often reported due to his popularity.
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Didn't he cause an unintended crack in your bones when you had your tibias done? i have so far went to page 5 of your diary.
the rooms are like a trip down memory lane..
(http://s5d2.turboimg.net/sp/67f0a81e6e1e5638d68728849fecae7d/ma_bathroom_1.jpg)
(http://s5d2.turboimg.net/sp/75ac70fb26b3f4723b33559f74fd8aeb/ma_room_2.jpg)
(http://s5d2.turboimg.net/sp/e45baf4046e8ac97106b5ca42fad6ef8/ma_room_1.jpg)
This looks ancient to me, i highly doubt Beijing(capital) hospitals look like this especially if they are private hospitals
I live in Hong Kong and i mostly went in and out of government hospitals and even they don't have rooms that look this... rusty.
Dude, a person has to be worried about living in a dirty room, you can catch an infection easily, you have an open wound!!!
Holy , that looks like a cheap brothel in Thailand.
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Parihar has made mistakes too, they just aren't reported that often(i have went till page 9 of Penguinn's diary where he mentions he was the first Precise patient of parihar and parihar had to ask Paley after the surgery about the weightbearing ... and then for kiloKAHN, i have went till page 5 and kilo mentions parihar made an accidental crack when he was trying to halve it)and i haven't dug deep enough on this forum yet to find more mistakes.
I believe if Parihar makes mistakes, they won't be reported often because of his obscurity(he is gaining momentum tho) but Sringari will be more often reported due to his popularity.
yes, you are right, sringari has done more LLs then Parihar and has more diaries so maybe more bad outcomes reported. I agree Parihar diaries are only a few - not enough data.
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Holy , that looks like a cheap brothel in Thailand.
haha, yes - this is very bad - worse then the government run piece of hospital in my tiny village in India. Is this from Parihar's clinic?
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haha, yes - this is very bad - worse then the government run piece of hospital in my tiny village in India. Is this from Parihar's clinic?
Yes it’s Parihar’s hospital.
Go through KiloKAHN’s diary
It’s there.
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Yes it’s Parihar’s hospital. The entire place is a mess.
Go through KiloKAHN diary tbh
It’s there.
Thanks Dude, I remember I saw the pics and got horrified but then forgot about it. Now I may reconsider Parihar - though I will shift to a hotel in 2 weeks - still staying here for even 2 weeks will be difficult, LOL. My guess is Parihar gets low end patients. For example - not everybody can afford to go to fortis or Columbia Asia, poor people go to small cheap clinics - my guess is Parihar's clinic is targeted for low end customers. No offense to anybody - even my parents were poor and went to govt hospitals like this or worse - I made money so go to Fortis etc.
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Thanks Dude, I remember I saw the pics and got horrified but then forgot about it. Now I may reconsider Parihar - though I will shift to a hotel in 2 weeks - still staying here for even 2 weeks will be difficult, LOL. My guess is Parihar gets low end patients. For example - not everybody can afford to go to fortis or Columbia Asia, poor people go to small cheap clinics - my guess is Parihar's clinic is targeted for low end customers.
I actually considered 2 doctors, first was Xia and next was Parihar tbh
I have already listed the errors of Parihar here so no need to repeat myself.
Then I researched Xia and turns out he doesn’t even do the surgeries and is just a poster boy for the hospital. Some Chinese guys complained about him destroying a girls life and she reported it on weibo and other Chinese social media. This was the main reason why foreigners couldn’t see Xia’s reality. China has their own form of social media and things like FB, YT are all blocked.
Actually make that 3 docs lol
I even considered Donghoon but he charges an amount that is equal to Paley’s and he is trained by Paley, I thought why go to a protege when you can go to the master if the payment is nearly identical tbh
Right now I am back to Paley(holy shet at 140k :s) and Rozbruch(I don’t think he accepts people he considers “average height”)
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I actually considered 2 doctors, first was Xia and next was Parihar tbh
I have already listed the errors of Parihar here so no need to repeat myself.
Then I researched Xia and turns out he doesn’t even do the surgeries and is just a poster boy for the hospital. Some Chinese guys complained about him destroying a girls life and she reported it on weibo and other Chinese social media. This was the main reason why foreigners couldn’t see Xia’s reality. China has their own form of social media and things like FB, YT are all blocked.
Actually make that 3 docs lol
I even considered Donghoon but he charges an amount that is equal to Paley’s and he is trained by Paley, I thought why go to a protege when you can go to the master if the payment is nearly identical tbh
Right now I am back to Paley(holy shet at 140k :s) and Rozbruch(I don’t think he accepts people he considers “average height”)
See, there are risks always and especially if one can't afford Paley. I can afford him but only barely (all my savings will be gone if I chose Paley) - so I have decided to stick to a cheaper doctor - I dont want to spend all money I have and become a papuer :). I am considering Xia, Parihar and russian docs (solomin/Kulesh and Barinov) - but you are right - all except paley have some question marks (including parihar) - actually I may end up choosing Mahboubian that way I wont go bankrupt and still will have a first world surgeon. You seem like you have the money, so go for it - if you can afford Paley - he is the best.
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See, there are risks always and especially if one can't afford Paley. I can afford him but only barely (all my savings will be gone if I chose Paley) - so I have decided to stick to a cheaper doctor - I dont want to spend all money I have and become a papuer :). I am considering Xia, Parihar and russian docs (solomin/Kulesh and Barinov) - but you are right - all except paley have some question marks (including parihar) - actually I may end up choosing Mahboubian that way I wont go bankrupt and still will have a first world surgeon. You seem like you have the money, so go for it - if you can afford Paley - he is the best.
If I had the money then I wouldn’t be posting here
I would’ve just lurked, gathered knowledge and left.
I am far from my goal of Paley.
Way far...
How much does Mahboubian charge tbh. I haven’t really looked into him. Might start doing so now and why does his name sound iranic, lol
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Here is (copy pasted) Mahboubian's reply to me -
"Thank you for contacting us regarding Height Lengthening.
The limb lengthening procedure is considered cosmetic and may not be covered by your insurance. But having insurance would be beneficial to cover the costs of physical therapy, medications and any additional problems/complications that may come up during your treatment.
The most up-to-date procedure uses an intramedullary rod and is called the PRECICE technique. Most candidates are able to increase their height up to 8 cm with one lengthening procedure (usually femurs) without it being an issue. Additional lengthening of the tibias can be performed to increase height further. And, although age is always a consideration, the main concerns regarding candidacy is the health of your bones meaning that you don't have bone disease or infections. It is not recommended to perform lengthening on the femurs and tibias simultaneously due to higher complication rates including fat embolism, joint contracture and nerve damage.
The first step in the process is to determine if the Limb Lengthening procedure is right for you. To do this you will need to set up a consultation so that you can be properly evaluated. During the consultation Dr. M will examine you and take x-rays of your legs. At that time you will be given all the necessary information including costs, duration and treatment options. You will be able to perform the distraction in the comfort of your own home. You will also not be completely wheelchair bound and will be able to stand and take a few steps for transfers. The recovery time is from 3-4 months before you can walk without any assistance and 6-8 months for competitive sports.
The cost of the surgery ranges from $60K - $90K US and is dependent upon the procedure performed. The cost includes equipment, surgery fees, hospital fees and post-op visits during the lengthening phase.
Currently, the only financing available is through Care Credit with the ability to finance the procedure being completely dependent upon your credit rating.
It is recommended that you remain in the United States for the entire lengthening process. If that is not possible, than a minimum of 2-3 weeks are necessary to make sure all went well with the procedure and that the lengthening phase begins well.
Please call 818.322.0126 to set up an appointment.
The Height Lengthening Team.
Please visit our website for further information
http://www.laorthopedics.com"
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I actually considered 2 doctors, first was Xia and next was Parihar tbh
I have already listed the errors of Parihar here so no need to repeat myself.
Then I researched Xia and turns out he doesn’t even do the surgeries and is just a poster boy for the hospital. Some Chinese guys complained about him destroying a girls life and she reported it on weibo and other Chinese social media. This was the main reason why foreigners couldn’t see Xia’s reality. China has their own form of social media and things like FB, YT are all blocked.
Actually make that 3 docs lol
I even considered Donghoon but he charges an amount that is equal to Paley’s and he is trained by Paley, I thought why go to a protege when you can go to the master if the payment is nearly identical tbh
Right now I am back to Paley(holy shet at 140k :s) and Rozbruch(I don’t think he accepts people he considers “average height”)
btw ( I have lived in China for 6 months) - forums like these are accessible form there - but yes you are right - not many stories would come here from China.
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Didn't he cause an unintended crack in your bones when you had your tibias done? i have so far went to page 5 of your diary.
the rooms are like a trip down memory lane..
This looks ancient to me, i highly doubt Beijing(capital) hospitals look like this especially if they are private hospitals
I live in Hong Kong and i mostly went in and out of government hospitals and even they don't have rooms that look this... rusty.
Dude, a person has to be worried about living in a dirty room, you can catch an infection easily, you have an open wound!!!
Hong Kong likely has a nicer quality than Beijing. I've been to Beijing and other parts of China, and I wouldn't be surprised if the hospital interior looked even more old in some parts.
It was explained that patients with quite solid bone density tend to shatter at the site of the osteotomy. Paley has shattered osteotomies as well and there are recent x-rays showing this. It's not a detriment because it creates more surface area for bone healing, and my bones fully solidified and aligned properly.
As for asking Paley about the weight bearing of Precice, Penguinn was told that there would be a bit of a learning curve being his first internal patient since it is new hardware. Nobody is walking immediately after surgery, so what's the huge issue asking Paley about his experience with weight bearing on the Precice while Penguinn is still not given permission to walk? The Precice manufacturer could tell Parihar one thing but perhaps he found it better to get the opinion of someone who has had multiple Precice patients already? If Penguinn had issues with Parihar, I don't see a reason why he wouldn't say so now that he's no longer in the hospital with him.
The rooms are out of date, not dirty, I think there's a difference there. Dressings are changed twice daily with sterile gauze and cleaned and antibiotics are also given. I didn't get superficial infections any more often than those who went to Russia or facilities with marble interiors. What I know for sure is that I recovered well and so have others who did their surgery with him. It's one thing to report when a doctor is crippling people, it's another to try and create controversy where there's none.
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For real you want to have LL with your current height? Goddamn. You are already slightly less than average or taller in most asian countries.
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If this forum was really promoting Dr. Parihar, don't you think that they'd use better (or even fake) photos to avoid this kind of negative reaction?
I personally care less about the quality of a room that I'm only going to spend a week in. You have the freedom of choice, pick a clinic that checks all the right boxes for you.
I can attest to KiloKAHN's recovery, he looked great and I didn't spot any problems with his gait.
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If this forum was really promoting Dr. Parihar, don't you think that they'd use better (or even fake) photos to avoid this kind of negative reaction?
I personally care less about the quality of a room that I'm only going to spend a week in. You have the freedom of choice, pick a clinic that checks all the right boxes for you.
I can attest to KiloKAHN's recovery, he looked great and I didn't spot any problems with his gait.
I second this. Who cares about the looks of the hospital as long as the surgeon is competent? Otherwise if you want a US hospital you end up spending 70k for less than a weeks stay just so you can look at a nice view outside. fk that. Those people are the real suckers.
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the only thing i might find difficult in that room is the mattress. it doesn't seem very soft. otherwise the hospital just looks old, not dirty.
but if the hospital is below your acceptable standards, pick another doctor, duh.
mistakes in his surgical technique were not substantiated because you couldn't find a LON video from another doctor to compare. remember, this is an orthopaedic surgery, not a nose-job.
the mods have painted a very neutral experience. they have listed all the complications they faced, their true recovery times, actual photos. they are not shills.
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Parihar is not a business tycoon surgeon who can open billion dollar hospital - and on top of that Mumbai real estate cost is higher than NYC's - so all he could manage to open on his own is this ty looking clinic - and american patients are not his cash cow - he makes money from local patients - so obviously the standard will not be like fortis or apollo which are billion dollar hospital chains (though they do not have LL) - this is the point people need to undrstand. But yes - Parihar should put some money of outside renovation and maybe inside renovation as well.
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Parihar rarely does cosmetic LL (well until now, I think his cosmetic patient count has increased as of late) and does limb reconstruction for a lot of poor people. That probably reflects in the hospital. Anyway, I've posted x-rays, that pic of my sutures that you used on this thread and my entire experience(including the negatives). If that screams "shill" then may I be a shill to you. lol. I get tons of questions especially in Pms about Parihar. He was a relatively undiscovered doctor and a great surgeon. If I talked a lot about Parihar, that's probably because one of the main reasons people were interested in my diary was the surgeon and needed information/my opinion on him as a patient.
If you do ever meet him, and I doubt you will because the hospital seems to have scared you off, you'd know what I mean by him being a truly genuine person. He doesn't give a f#ck, he'll tell you the truth.
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As for asking Paley about the weight bearing of Precice, Penguinn was told that there would be a bit of a learning curve being his first internal patient since it is new hardware. Nobody is walking immediately after surgery, so what's the huge issue asking Paley about his experience with weight bearing on the Precice while Penguinn is still not given permission to walk? The Precice manufacturer could tell Parihar one thing but perhaps he found it better to get the opinion of someone who has had multiple Precice patients already? If Penguinn had issues with Parihar, I don't see a reason why he wouldn't say so now that he's no longer in the hospital with him.
The rooms are out of date, not dirty, I think there's a difference there. Dressings are changed twice daily with sterile gauze and cleaned and antibiotics are also given. I didn't get superficial infections any more often than those who went to Russia or facilities with marble interiors. What I know for sure is that I recovered well and so have others who did their surgery with him. It's one thing to report when a doctor is crippling people, it's another to try and create controversy where there's none.
Yup. I'll list some points
-Parihar had straight up told me I was his first Precice patient and it was a learning curve. That's why he asked Paley about the weight bearing rules. It's not that he didn't know, Precice had already told him, but he wanted to be cautious.
-And as his first patient I faced a complication during surgery at the hands of Precice, aka a faulty nail. The double surgery done on my left leg did set it back in recovery time in the long run, but considering no actual damage was done, I'll say it was handled well.
-I was kept in the hospital for a week+ after surgery instead of being made to f*ck off right after because he felt it was necessary. As far as I recall, no extra money was charged. Think I started lengthening 7 or 9 days post-op, can't recall.
-Room was clean and I was given sponge baths by the nurse. Maid came with the urinal at the press of a button. I never felt like I was neglected or at risk... the room was just not comparable to the ones you'd get in US. It was just a week though so who tf cares. LL was a huge deal for me, a week at a substandard motel-like room didn't mean sh*t.
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Well me and Kilo had a good result at his hands, so why not say good things about him? Any other Indian doctor would've crippled me.
I've been honest about the long time it took me to recover and everything. Also posted my x-rays and people have criticised him for his osteotomies. He's not a quack and is upfront and honest unlike a lot of posts I've read about other doctors. Edit: oh and I agree about his hospital not being like ones you'd find in US. I wrote in my diary too that it looks like it could be a set for the next Grave Encounters. The operation theatre is state of the art though.
As for your PM asking how I became a mod, the forum voted and made me one. Are mods not allowed to favour doctors? Am I expected to say Sringari and Parihar are equal?
I have seen your diary, it's totally fake. Don't say no if you fear God.
Further, this post itself shows you and kilo both are trained advertisers of Parihar. There is literal admission of it in the post. Think what mistake did you do in writing this post. I am not telling it exactly so that other innocent LLers could easily find it to stop getting exploited by Parihar. You idiots you are playing with lives of other human being for paltry amounts, how could you just do it?
If you still have some conscience left, accept the mistake and remove the paid post to stop harming others and avoid wrath of God.
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This forum is a maze. It is full of lies and deception. Do not know what is true and what is false. But I suggest not to go to India. I know several patients who have been flung to surgery in India.
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I have seen your diary, it's totally fake. Don't say no if you fear God.
Further, this post itself shows you and kilo both are trained advertisers of Parihar. There is literal admission of it in the post. Think what mistake did you do in writing this post. I am not telling it exactly so that other innocent LLers could easily find it to stop getting exploited by Parihar. You idiots you are playing with lives of other human being for paltry amounts, how could you just do it?
If you still have some conscience left, accept the mistake and remove the paid post to stop harming others and avoid wrath of God.
You don't believe in the x-rays and sutures I posted, along with every detailed admission in the diary, but you fear the Wrath of God. I highly recommend praying then, instead of doing LL.
Anyway, any reader can form their own opinion. My journey is over, I only come by to answer any questions I can.
And also, learn to be respectful and objective in your skepticism.
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I have seen your diary, it's totally fake. Don't say no if you fear God.
Further, this post itself shows you and kilo both are trained advertisers of Parihar. There is literal admission of it in the post. Think what mistake did you do in writing this post. I am not telling it exactly so that other innocent LLers could easily find it to stop getting exploited by Parihar. You idiots you are playing with lives of other human being for paltry amounts, how could you just do it?
If you still have some conscience left, accept the mistake and remove the paid post to stop harming others and avoid wrath of God.
just from curiosity.. are u muslim?
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just from curiosity.. are u muslim?
It's a funny question, and I get it why you asked but no I am not, seriously not. :)
@Penguin , If you write anything which is contrary to popular believes then either you should give solid undeniable proof or be ready for such comments. I again specifically ask
- You have stated whole of journey as a propoganda to showcase how good/caring/intelligent a certain doctor and his team and how smooth your experience went and no-trouble-no-pain kind of journey. How could this be true when everywhere people are facing pains and agonies?
-Despiye people asking for videos of your PT videos you have not provided.
-as far as x-rays are concerned I can give you as many x rays as you want from everywhere on the net.
-How could posting any pic of your leg or your lower body etc would be violating your privacy. Kilo has already proven the same.
-You have not defended any allegation of being fake other than some x-ray photos. Why can't you give some other solid proof like images/videos etc or even copy of your bill or certificate of operation.
- why are you so much defending a certain dr when people allege anything bagainst him, just shows that you are working on behalf of that dr. Like saying hospitals itoo good too clean too caring staff etc. This Stuff does not go down the throat.
-Neither anything new you have reported neither have anything negative...seems hard to believe.
So if you know I am wrong, prove it by some proof or else it seems just like a paid ad/story.
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It's a funny question, and I get it why you asked but no I am not, seriously not. :)
@Penguin , If you write anything which is contrary to popular believes then either you should give solid undeniable proof or be ready for such comments. I again specifically ask
- You have stated whole of journey as a propoganda to showcase how good/caring/intelligent a certain doctor and his team and how smooth your experience went and no-trouble-no-pain kind of journey. How could this be true when everywhere people are facing pains and agonies?
-Despiye people asking for videos of your PT videos you have not provided.
-as far as x-rays are concerned I can give you as many x rays as you want from everywhere on the net.
-How could posting any pic of your leg or your lower body etc would be violating your privacy. Kilo has already proven the same.
-You have not defended any allegation of being fake other than some x-ray photos. Why can't you give some other solid proof like images/videos etc or even copy of your bill or certificate of operation.
- why are you so much defending a certain dr when people allege anything bagainst him, just shows that you are working on behalf of that dr. Like saying hospitals itoo good too clean too caring staff etc. This Stuff does not go down the throat.
-Neither anything new you have reported neither have anything negative...seems hard to believe.
So if you know I am wrong, prove it by some proof or else it seems just like a paid ad/story.
Alright, show me fake x-rays then. But they should be of the same legs, with a Precice 2 nail inside, there should be steady callus growth too. I want 10 x-rays of each leg with callus growth increasing in each, and 2 perspective views of every single one.
I'll look for the certificate if you want, but I'm not posting my pictures to justify anything to anyone. Ironically, LL pictures would be the easiest to fake if one wanted to fake something. Increasing your femur in photoshop would take 5 minutes at max. If not posting my pictures makes me a fake, so be it lol. I don't see why one would take the trouble to "fake x-rays" instead of a picture of legs....
I know you've called Kilo fake too, but forum members have met him and he's posted videos confirming his legitimacy. And he's seen my pictures and knows more of my experience and could verify I was legit. A legitimate person with videos confirming I'm legitimate counts, no? But he's a Parihar patient so you're going not going to like that.
How does "the staff is good and the hospital is clean" not go down the throat? Neither of these are extravagant statements.... I never said the hospital was awesome. It's just not unsanitary or harmful from a practical perspective.
I've reported several negative things....
-My left leg needing to be operated twice
-Not having callus after I stopped lengthening/having really slow callus
-Walking unaided 9(!!) months post-op if I recall correctly
-Still not sprinting, although I can
-Unicorn and others have also said they had no pain sometimes. I think the low pain relates to slow callus growth, but that's just a theory. I honestly had a relatively painless experience but I've said that it didn't have much to do with Parihar. A surgeon obviously cannot control anything after the surgery. The painless-ness had more to do with my body and Precice.
Are you sure you're not looking at everything through a tainted lens? I've been pretty neutral and objective throughout.
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Also seriously I don't give a rat's ass if anyone goes to Parihar or not. Neither does Kilo and I'm pretty sure Parihar doesn't either. If you think I'm a fake advertiser, by all means don't go to Parihar
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Also seriously I don't give a rat's ass if anyone goes to Parihar or not. Neither does Kilo and I'm pretty sure Parihar doesn't either. If you think I'm a fake advertiser, by all means don't go to Parihar
Okay seems legit.Anyways best wishes for the recovery. Not tainted view about anybody but was feeling a bit of salt in the stories and such a thread and posts even strengthened my views . Now, actually have looked at the Mangal Anand hospital in photos that kind of gave me some trust... although people may feel the exact opposite after looking at it. Thanks for the concern and reply. :)
Still would be grateful if you could post your photos with previous and current height at same exact location to view the difference.
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What? You just changed your opinion like that... straight 180? Okay...
Anyway, on this note, I'll try and take the Verified tag idea of diaries to the admin but the question remains of what makes a diary verified. People have said you can fake x-rays, but I've never seen someone make consistently fake x-rays. It'd be 10x easier to fake pictures of legs, they'd just be really well done mock-ups. Anyone that would like to opine?
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What? You just changed your opinion like that... straight 180? Okay...
Anyway, on this note, I'll try and take the Verified tag idea of diaries to the admin but the question remains of what makes a diary verified. People have said you can fake x-rays, but I've never seen someone make consistently fake x-rays. It'd be 10x easier to fake pictures of legs, they'd just be really well done mock-ups. Anyone that would like to opine?
Just FYI, x-rays need not be fake but they could belong to someone else who has done it for another purpose and yes they can well be photo shopped as well, requires expertise though.
Considering my.opinion, it did not change "like that" , rather coherencies in multiple facts did it which I was not able to find before igging it through you, kilo and other srcs.
To be honest your story, on cursory reading seemed like TV commercials for reducing fat, growing hair, abs etc where only positivs are shown without any discussion of the negatives.
I had not doubted kilo even once, but him supporting you and both supporting same dr., made me doubt him as well, sort of chain rxn with end of chain being the dr who is unaware of all these :).
There can not be foolproof method to prove veracity of diary, I guess as anything including photos, videos, storyline can be faked/duplicated. Only members can do it by reading it and asking pertinent questions and if he fails to defend, story is likely to be false.
In general videos would be more reliable than photos, at least 2-3 videos with some relation to surgery process/Rehab/post recover would increase the chances of diary being genuine.
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What? You just changed your opinion like that... straight 180? Okay...
Anyway, on this note, I'll try and take the Verified tag idea of diaries to the admin but the question remains of what makes a diary verified. People have said you can fake x-rays, but I've never seen someone make consistently fake x-rays. It'd be 10x easier to fake pictures of legs, they'd just be really well done mock-ups. Anyone that would like to opine?
Pics of legs in huge bulky frames are pretty hard to decently falsify on photoshop.
Although most people undergo external fixation due to reasons other than CLL, so pics of legs in external fixators wouldn't be hard to find.
X-ray pics are probably good if anyone is willing to do reverse image searches (use google's) and check whether they were not posted somewhere else before.
Anyway, posts like this would be as verified as they get (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5171.msg83121#msg83121) - considering the added evidence on the previous pages.
I would like to know Android's opinion on the whole matter if/when he reads this.
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To be honest your story, on cursory reading seemed like TV commercials for reducing fat, growing hair, abs etc where only positivs are shown without any discussion of the negatives.
Damn. Sucks if true. Maybe I expected much worse during LL, got over enthused about the lack of pain and sounded like a promoter. The 8 hours sleep and painlessness isn't exaggerated one bit, although it has nothing to do with the doctor, imo. I'm interested to see if anyone else had a relatively painless experience and then see if they had delayed callus too. I got a hunch they're connected.
My main negative was the late walking/slow callus. People like programdude walked 5-6 months post op and I took 1.5 times that amount.
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Just FYI, x-rays need not be fake but they could belong to someone else who has done it for another purpose
I know you agreed to my legitimacy so this is not an argument, I'm just curious.
Let's say I had a series of fake x-rays.. multiple angles for each leg, both legs with a P2 nail put in, 3" lengthened, and new ones every few weeks of the same variety with increased callus... they'd have to be of another CLL patient who'd posted his or her own diary, and then someone would recognize it and call the fake poster out. How would one randomly find so many fake x-rays of the same person, with that person not having posted their own experience? I get if it was 1 x ray but I posted 4 every time, and did that every 3-4 weeks.
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X-ray pics are probably good if anyone is willing to do reverse image searches (use google's) and check whether they were not posted somewhere else before.
Should've thought of this before ;D Reverse search should do the trick.
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Anyway, posts like this would be as verified as they get (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5171.msg83121#msg83121) - considering the added evidence on the previous pages.
I would like to know Android's opinion on the whole matter if/when he reads this.
It's funny since that image by LAGrowin was still doubted by a member, saying it could be Dr. Mahboubian himself. Had a good laugh about that when we met up!
I'll probably end up using a combination of Reddit's suggestions for providing proof: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/wiki/proof
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-Unicorn and others have also said they had no pain sometimes. I think the low pain relates to slow callus growth, but that's just a theory. I honestly had a relatively painless experience but I've said that it didn't have much to do with Parihar. A surgeon obviously cannot control anything after the surgery. The painless-ness had more to do with my body and Precice.
What we have collectively noticed from our group of non-union LLers, our lengthening/distracting process was pretty painless (after the first 2 weeks of surgery/osteotomy pain). This includes the guys as well who ended up with non-union.
So there could be a correlation that when there's no bone/callus bridging, one can click away with zero pain whereas our classmates who had fast consolidation were all crying everyday at physio because their clicking were excruciating. It's probably because they had to 'rebreak' their fusion everyday.
And for those of us who suffered from non-union over years and had those unstoppable/irreversible ISKD nails, the clicking can runaway even if we're not deliberately sitting in an ackward position. One of us had to get a leg shortening because one leg ran away faster than the other leg. That's how bad it is and no, these people do not ever want to contribute or read this forum because it's traumatic enough having to live with this regretful decision.
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So there could be a correlation that when there's no bone/callus bridging, one can click away with zero pain whereas our classmates who had fast consolidation were all crying everyday at physio because their clicking were excruciating. It's probably because they had to 'rebreak' their fusion everyday.
That's exactly what I thought, but neither you nor I are doctors, so we can't cement this. But if I see a diary talking about a really painless experience, I'll be sure to warn them of possible non-unions and slow callus. I was lucky to have fusion in both legs but it was really late. In hindsight, I would take a painful experience over months of late callus, if I could.
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Ok! I know I am being paranoid 🙄 but this topic made me super curious.
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India as a whole looks like dangerous!
Most conspiracy theories belong from India!
What are the chances that this topic was correct???
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India as a whole looks like dangerous!
Most conspiracy theories belong from India!
What are the chances that this topic was correct???
Zero point zero.
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What happened to the user who created this topic & others who were agreed?
Kilokahn ! I am thankful for your attention but honestly I was expecting other users to react and speak. Your comments won't make this topic unbiased or democratic. I believe this forum was started on the basis of free speech & democracy. Not that I am questioning your authority. Once again thank you for replying after a month. I am so happy to hear from one of the authority here.
I still appeal other users to comment on this post to get unbiased opinion. Hope I won't be kicked out. 🙄