Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: Chocolaty on October 03, 2014, 07:16:11 PM
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Heya friends, After reading this forum and other patients diaries for a long tym. Finally the time has come to get up n do it. I have finally made up my mind to do this surgery. I have scheduled consultations with few of the Indian doctors by the mid of this month.
I have even met Dr Salameh. He is a great doctor but I don't know if I would ever be able to earn that much money to do this surgery with him. And how long it wud take to save that much n i cant wait for that much tym.
I know this is a big risk I am taking by going to India for this surgery. The drs I m considering are Dr Suhas shah, Parihar{the paley trained}, Sarin{yes I know his reputaion but I just want to meet him}, Sringari{many patients had surgery with him last yr and did fine with some complaints but I am not sure none of his patients have posted full recovery video n no new diary from any of his current patient}.
I am considering LON as I cant wear the frames for full year. I know LON causes some knee problems later. But I think I can prevent it by doing it with some good doctor. Or it would happen no matter what I do. Correct me if I am wrong.
Lets see how it goes, whatever happens I will keep u guys posted . But please guys I need your support and suggestions regarding the doctors and how to prepare myself physically, what all things I need to carry with me or any other suggestions.
Cya
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The best doctor in india for leg lengthening looks like Mangal Parihar.
You can read Kilokhan diary and you will have a lot of information about the indians doctors.
Cheers and good luck with your surgery. I hope to have my surgery in a bit time with doctor salameh in Frankfurt.
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Hey Chocolaty!
Thanks for starting a diary. Your experience will be influential to those who are considering LL in India (including me)
It's good that you are aware of what went on with Dr.Sarin and Dr.Sringari and since you will be in Delhi, I reckon it will be worth seeing Dr. Manish Dhawan http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=765.0.
When are you planning on doing the surgery?
Anyways, all the best and you have our support :)
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All the best and wish you good luck.
Could you give us some details about you. height? Goal? age etc.
Frihet
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If you are going to do it in india i think you must do it with parihar
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Hey Chocolaty!
Thanks for starting a diary. Your experience will be influential to those who are considering LL in India (including me)
It's good that you are aware of what went on with Dr.Sarin and Dr.Sringari and since you will be in Delhi, I reckon it will be worth seeing Dr. Manish Dhawan http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=765.0.
When are you planning on doing the surgery?
Anyways, all the best and you have our support :)
Thanks fpr all ur wishes. I will try my level best to be as informative as I can. I m planning to have the surgery by the end of october n what abt u ?
One thing I forgot to tell u guys is that I have already paid $2000 as booking amt to Dr Sringari in august as at that tym I was sure abt going to him. But now I want to be sure that I choose the right doctor as I dont want to risk my legs.
And regarding Dr Manish dhawan I havent seen any of his patient's diary over here or on old forum ?
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All the best and wish you good luck.
Could you give us some details about you. height? Goal? age etc.
Frihet
Thanks for ur wishes. I am 168 cm right now and want to gain around 7-8 cm. My age is between 23-26 I cant tell my exact age due to security reasons as many of my frnds are aware of this surgery and I dont want to risk my identity.
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I request all the old patients and experts to suggest n help me.
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Only go to a qualified, experienced Ilizarov surgeon, and as an added measure go to one who is well known in the field. There are many surgeons who will play off of someone's desires and perform surgery on him knowing full well that they don't have the appropriate medical expertise to be doing so. I suggest going to someone other than Dr Sringari for this. Sringari is trained in joint replacement primarily. Joint replacement surgeons get a basic understanding of Ilizarov but they do not have the years of super-specialty training that Ilizarov surgeons receive. Putting on a frame isn't simply sliding the rings over and drilling holes everywhere. There are many complications that can happen with this surgery. An Ilizarov expert will have experience with these complications and know how to treat them in a way that a joint replacement surgeon could not.
If you are going to be in Delhi, Dr Manish Dhawan is the one to meet. He's actually consulted some former patients of Dr Sarin who got messed up, and when I had my consultation with him I was impressed with how up front he was about the surgery. I think he'd be a good choice to consider as I almost decided on him.
Dr Shah and Dr Parihar both have trained under Paley (Shah even training under Prof Catagni in Italy) and have other credentials to show their experience with Ilizarov, so it's good you're seeing them. Although I haven't any experience with Dr Shah beyond my consultation with him, the user crimsontide went to him to fix the equinus contracture he developed and reported back with a positive opinion about Dr Shah.
Dr Parihar has been great so far. He and his staff have all been more than accommodating and he's always given me as much time as I needed during my checkups, so I can see where his positive reputation comes from.
I think Parihar, Shah, and Dhawan could all be good options for you depending on what you find important. Meet them all in person at least.
Also, patient diaries can be a great resource but it's best not to automatically discredit a doctor who doesn't have a patient diary. Especially considering some diaries leave out important details intentionally or are outright faked (Phantom). Best way to decide on a doctor is through a one-on-one with all the doctors you're considering. Consider how they treated you during the consultation, if they gave you time and answered questions thoroughly, if they warned you of the dangers, how much they talked about money during the consultation, etc.
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To be certain that your doctor is specialised in LL is of vital importance and one way to be sure is by checking whether the doctor is a member of ASAMI (Association for the Study and Application of the Method of Ilizarov). The following link provides a list of surgeons in India and around the world who are confirmed LL specialists http://www.asamiindia2014.com/faculty.html. There may be some LL doctors who are not in the list but they may have attended ASAMI seminars in the previous years and their names can be searched. Personally, I wouldn't have LL surgery with a doctor not listed in ASAMI. The doctors experience in LL and credentials is also important. Check whether the names Ilizarov(Kurgan), Paley, Catagni, Cattaneo, or any other respected LL surgeon appear in the doctors credentials. Also search whether the doctor has any publications on LL and made any contribution to the LL field.
As Kilokahn mentioned above, many patients ended up with doctors who are not specialised in LL surgery and/or unknown in the LL community. Unfortuantely, this is the reason why India has a very bad reputation for LL surgery..
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Hello Chocolaty
You should definitely read KiloKAHN's diary.
I am going to do LON tibia LL in India in Jan or Feb.
In contact with someone else who is waiting for his visa and plans to have surgery in Delhi in October. If you want to do this procedure with him, I can forward on his contact info.
As I have learned from this forum, you have to have a good reliable Doctor and there are some in India
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Congrats on your biggest life decision!
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Hopefully there'll be more Dr Parihar or Dr Shah diaries on here since I am now also interested after initially thinking Kilokahn was mad but he definitely changed my mind. Will see how his recovery goes
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Sorry guys I have been preparing, buying n packing stuff. I have almost packed everything I need but could u please tell me the things I should carry to India. U know what I mean like things which are necessary specifically for India.
I am planning to buy a stun gun for my safety as I wont be able to defend my self after surgery. Is it easily available there ?? from where I can buy it in india.
Here are some of the things I have packed :
• Meds like anti biotic, painkillers, calcium, anti malaria/ dengue
• Universal charger
• My playstation n laptop ;)
• Winter clothes as I checked its winter season in India, XXL shorts etc. rest I will buy there only if needed.
• Lots of chocolates
• Protein powder
N I would buy the daily need stuff from India before surgery.
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Stun gun....? Cmon now that is highly unnecessary and completely uncalled for lol. You're going to India, not to off to fight ISIS :o
In saying that though, FullmetalShorty did have an intruder/burglar come into his complex, but Im sure that was a one off thing. I think you'll be safe
I dont have any advice since I've yet to do my surgery, Im sure others will make valuable suggestions.
Good luck and look forward to reading your diary, safe journey friend
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Sorry for the pause peeps I was preparing for my surgery, travel n all.
So here I am in Gurgon India. I landed yesterday 12:30 pm and currently I am staying in a hotel and they are charging me $30 per night. Food is fine and some of the Indian dishes are spicy n weird but some are delicious like butter chicken i love it. I tried dominos pizza and flavours here are all chicken or veg no beef. Strange so I asked the physio harry who came to pick me up and he told me cow is a sacred animal in India. wtf ??? haha I respected this holy thing and ordered one chicken pizza and it was goood.
Just got the wifi password from the hotel staff so thought of updating you guys about my arrival in India.
City is overall nice but I am very much scared of the traffic . The way they drive cars here damn some ppl crossing red light and some times I feel like driver would hit into some other car for sure. Luckily nothing happened. Pheww. Rest everything is good its not like what I thought it would be. There are big brand malls, building etc. Overall everything is good.
So I am having my consultation with Dr Sringari tomorrow. I dont know I have always wanted to do this but now I am confused that whether I am doing right or not. OR I am digging my own grave by doing this surgery ?? Its like 1000 questions popping in my mind every hour. Lets see how everything goes I will keep u guys posted.
Good night for now its getting late here and I am tired as hell. Hehe Bbye guys. Cya
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For the love of God and for you own sake I really hope you dont end up going with Dr Sringari....
With all the stories that came out of him, I wouldnt do the surgery with him even if it was $1-2,000. Serious
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For the love of God and for you own sake I really hope you dont end up going with Dr Sringari....
With all the stories that came out of him, I wouldnt do the surgery with him even if it was $1-2,000. Serious
I agree. its a really pissy situation. but I think you should just forget about that deposit and go with parihar.
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It will be interesting to know how many CLL patients are at Dr.Sringari's guesthouse, if any :-\ I haven't heard anything about Dr.Sringari or his guesthouse after Polycrates left India.
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You should consult with him just to see what it's like there these days, and you might as well since you made your deposit, but, please, for your own good, do NOT have surgery with him.
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I don't think that's really fair to Doctor Sringari. It's like there's a new trend for every Indian doctor that comes out. Currently this board seems to like Doctor Parihar. But honest question, if Doctor Parihar was really that much better than Doctor Sringari, wouldn't that have been obvious from BigFaker's account? After all he met both including Doctor Sarin, but in the end he decided that Doctor Sringari was the best choice.
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So here I am after the consultation with Dr Sringari. My first impression is that he is a humble n knowledgeable doctor not like I was expecting.
Firstly I asked about the basic things like lengthening limits, accommodation, lengthening time, aparatus to be used etc etc . He said he recommend not going beyond 6cm-6.5cm. Rest it vary from body to body. And currently he is keeping all the patients in hotel. He then checked my ankle flexibility and said its average and I need to work hard on physiotherapy. And the whole time I was trying to analyze him.
Then I asked about the current patients. Currently he is having 1 patient who had his surgery last month and is in lengthening phase. And one patient left 1.5 months back and he did 6.8 cm.
I requested to meet that patient or have a talk with him if possible. He said he will ask him n let me knw if its possible or not. So may be tomorrow I wll meet him or have a talk.
I asked him abt the past issues that happened in his guest house. he was aware of it and said that it has been solved and now everything is fine and they have hired new staff.
Asked some other random questions and I dont know I was short of questions. I think I should have asked more but till now i dont have any thing negative about him. I think he was clear and straight away told me abt all the risks related with this surgery.
Then I requested to see the hospital and rooms etc so harry took me for a hospital tour. I could see lots of ppl in waiting room. And India is a short country I think the avg height here is around 5'4 to 5'6. And I felt quite comfortable. Nice n clean hospital with lots of black nurses. Hehe So here I am posting some of the pictures I clicked. Cya for now will post tomorrow about my next consultation n all.
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I don't think that's really fair to Doctor Sringari. It's like there's a new trend for every Indian doctor that comes out. Currently this board seems to like Doctor Parihar. But honest question, if Doctor Parihar was really that much better than Doctor Sringari, wouldn't that have been obvious from BigFaker's account? After all he met both including Doctor Sarin, but in the end he decided that Doctor Sringari was the best choice.
Speaking of fairness, do you think what happened to those previous Sringari patients were fair....?
He made his choice, now we get to make ours and he has to live with that reputation for a long time, if not the rest of his life
The place does look very clean, a lot cleaner and newer than Dr Parihar's. But I'd rather do my surgery in a ty hospital with a qualified and experienced doctor than in a nice hospital with a quack. Plus you'll only be in the hospital for a few days anyway and will spend the rest of your stay in a hotel so its not that much of a bother.
If he's not on the ASAMI list, he's not touching me.
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If he's not on the ASAMI list, he's not touching me.
EXACTLY!
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First of all I would like to tell that I am not in support of any doctor I just want to clear this doctor conspiracy.
I am unable to understand why some people are in support of parihar and other novice Indian doctors but not sringari. This forum is same as old forum . old forum was first sarin centric n after that sringari. And this forum seems to be owned by parihar. Some are promoting parihar as crazy6 did for sarin.
How can u trust a doctor with out any past patient or diary ?? No one knew who parihar, talwar, shah n other doctors were before they were promoted over here. Atleast sringari & sarin has some diaries and you can see what other patients went through. As per my knowledge neither of the sringari patient had any serious problem. The main problem was with food n management and some of his patients posted walking videos also and I think he did around 8-10 surgeries last year. Which should give u idea about the doctor.
Sarin has done near about more than 50 surgeries and most of them went well. His downfall started after crazy 6 thing. And for that he should be sued.
I searched paras hospital on google its a well known multispeciality hospital not like a cheap one like parihar. Hospitals like Paras cant employ hoax doctors as its a matter of their reputatuion. Here is the link check it yourself.
http://www.parashospitals.com/
http://www.parashospitals.com/find_doctor-speciality-Orthopedics+and+Joint+Replacement-name--search-Search.htm
Check dr sringari's profie he is the Sr faculty of Orthopedics and Joint Replacement. I am sure he is there for a reason. People are misguiding saying so what if mangal parihar has a crap hospital, so what if he doesnt have any previous patient, so what if we have no records about him. Just go with him he is the master of LL, the so called Indian paley haha that is so hilarious. Out of no where he became the best doctor of LL. I am sure after some months someone will come up with another doctor claiming him to be the best.
What I want to say is that when ever they want to introduce a new doctor they just start talking abt the other doctor just to make way for new one. So I urge people not to follow such claims and use your brains. All I want to say is that dont fall prey to any doctor or any one promoting any doctor. Never trust internet here any1 can make up stories for his own benefit. Just go visit the doctors u r considering and then make up ur mind. Be smart be responsible.
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First of all I would like to tell that I am not in support of any doctor I just want to clear this doctor conspiracy.
I am unable to understand why some people are in support of parihar and other novice Indian doctors but not sringari.
Got to this point.
Then was all...
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Thanks for the pictures man!
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First of all I would like to tell that I am not in support of any doctor I just want to clear this doctor conspiracy.
I am unable to understand why some people are in support of parihar and other novice Indian doctors but not sringari. This forum is same as old forum . old forum was first sarin centric n after that sringari. And this forum seems to be owned by parihar. Some are promoting parihar as crazy6 did for sarin.
How can u trust a doctor with out any past patient or diary ?? No one knew who parihar, talwar, shah n other doctors were before they were promoted over here. Atleast sringari & sarin has some diaries and you can see what other patients went through. As per my knowledge neither of the sringari patient had any serious problem. The main problem was with food n management and some of his patients posted walking videos also and I think he did around 8-10 surgeries last year. Which should give u idea about the doctor.
Sarin has done near about more than 50 surgeries and most of them went well. His downfall started after crazy 6 thing. And for that he should be sued.
I searched paras hospital on google its a well known multispeciality hospital not like a cheap one like parihar. Hospitals like Paras cant employ hoax doctors as its a matter of their reputatuion. Here is the link check it yourself.
http://www.parashospitals.com/
http://www.parashospitals.com/find_doctor-speciality-Orthopedics+and+Joint+Replacement-name--search-Search.htm
Check dr sringari's profie he is the Sr faculty of Orthopedics and Joint Replacement. I am sure he is there for a reason. People are misguiding saying so what if mangal parihar has a crap hospital, so what if he doesnt have any previous patient, so what if we have no records about him. Just go with him he is the master of LL, the so called Indian paley haha that is so hilarious. Out of no where he became the best doctor of LL. I am sure after some months someone will come up with another doctor claiming him to be the best.
What I want to say is that when ever they want to introduce a new doctor they just start talking s**t abt the other doctor just to make way for new one. So I urge people not to follow such claims and use your brains. All I want to say is that dont fall prey to any doctor or any one promoting any doctor. Never trust internet here any1 can make up stories for his own benefit. Just go visit the doctors u r considering and then make up ur mind. Be smart be responsible.
Harry is that you? I was wondering when you wold come onto this thread and start trying to convince all to go to Sringari. All know that it was you that was the problem.
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Thanks for the pictures, Chocolaty. Glad your consultation went well.
Are you going to see Dr Dhawan also? His page on here looks good and I like his prices so it would be great to know what you think of him.
As for the question of Sringari versus Parihar, true there may be only one patient diary of Dr. Parihar as opposed to the handful of Dr. Sringari diaries. So in that sense Sringari is more well known than Parihar. On the flip side, if you were to talk to well known Ilizarov surgeons like Paley, Guichet, Salameh, etc and ask them if they've heard of Dr. Parihar and Dr. Sringari, do you think more of them would know of Dr Parihar or Dr. Sringari?
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Check dr sringari's profie he is the Sr faculty of Orthopedics and Joint Replacement.
Answered your own question really....
JOINT REPLACEMENT is NOT limb lengthening and that is his main problem. He has no limb lengthening or Illizarov apparatus experience of any kind, he is the definition of the word inexperienced and only got some 'experience' experimenting on those previous poor souls that went to him because of his cheap price. Whats that quote floating around on here about saving money and having problems for life?
Is he on the ASAMI list yet? If not then I wonder why...
To reiterate - if he's not on the ASAMI list, he's not touching me
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Thanks for the pics man. It seems to be a good hospital. Did u have chat with any of his current patient ??
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Chocolaty, davidmurra and Adriano. Why don't you contact each other, as you all want to do EXTERNAL TIBIA lengthening in India at the same time. Help each other.
I will be doing LL in India in February
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Hello Chocolaty
How is everything going? Did you go ahead with procedure? Hope you're well.
Let us know what is happening, as I will be doing LL in India soon.
Good Luck
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I am thinking of India but have not decided between a doctor there or Russia.
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Hello
When are you planning to do LL in India?
Some of us on this forum want to do this procedure there soon. If possible lets arrange and choose the same doctor and meet in India.
At the end of the day all we want is a successful experience with good results. This can be done if we are together.
We can stay in different rooms at the same hotel or if someone wants to share, they can
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Hello all, Finally the wait is over I had my surgery done last week. Sorry for not posting any update. I wanted to meet more doctors but all were busy bcoz of some festive season going on. I think its called diwali hope i spelt it right. So meanwhile I decided to explore nearby places with my fiance. I think I forgot to tell u all that my fiance will be stayying with me for few months. Then we will decide later on. Didnt have any stable internet connection at that time so was not able to post anything.
I met the great old inventor of ll in India doc Sarin. He seemed to be okay I asked him various questions n gotta know that he takes this surgery very lightly. Everything I asked him he was like its not a problem. Not a big deal he said he has done near about 100s of surgeries. And he used to do 30-50 surgeries sometime. He never told me any risks of ll all he said was. Its not a big deal n many of his patients even did 10 cms without any problem. I asked him abt his current patients he just said he has some patients. It was a shady ans. Any ways I was not comfortable or convinced with his answers.
Finally I didnt want to waste any more tym. I had surgery with doc sringari. Everything went well but for the first few days it was hell uncomfortable as m a very active person. But lying all day on my back is like torture. I have placed soft pillows under my back but its not helping. It feels so bad lying all day on butt. Please guys give me some advice on it.
For pain I would rate 6/10 n its manageable but discomfort is much more than the pain of having this surgery. I dont know sometimes I get irritated for no reason. Its getting better n m getting used to it may be it will improve.
I am still in hospital and soon will be shifted to the hotel. But guys plz advice I dont feel like eating anything is it due to anesthesia. And I havent pooped in a week now. Is this normal ? I am feeling dizzy nw. Bbye guys
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If you're having trouble lying on your back then if you can manage it turn on your side and put a pillow on top of your frame to rest your other leg on top of. This helped me get needed sleep. If one side is uncomfortable then turn the other side and see if that feels better. Anesthesia can make you feel weird but you need to force yourself to eat even when you don't feel like it. You need to get nutritional value each day. What medication or supplements have you been prescribed?
I hope everything works out for you under Dr Sringari.
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Happy you chose experienced illizarov surgeon Doctor Sringari instead of amateur like Sarin, Shah, Parihar or Dhawan :)
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Easy, Dirty Harry.
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Well, there's no turning back now, Chocolaty. I wish you as smooth an LL experience as possible going forward. Don't hesitate to get second opinions from ASAMI certified Ilizarov surgeons if any complications do arise. Remember to that the health the only pair of legs you know for sure you'll ever have is potentially at risk when you undergo LL, so second opinions are never a bad thing, regardless of the competency (or lack thereof) of Dr. Sringari.
Take care,
Taller
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Man good luck but how come you chose the very first doctor you spoke with and only talked to two of them? You say you didn't want to waste time but man you're going to not be able to walk for a long time. Limb lengthening is very time consuming process.
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Hello Lads
Any closer to finalising where you'll be doing LL? When?
As I will be doing LON, I may consider going with your chosen Doctor.
Not sure about Dr Sringari, think Chocolaty is brave. But sometimes it's good to just go for it and pray for the best
I did message Gichelu, who still has to reply.
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Hi chocolaty, thanks for sharing your experience with each doctor, how much he (dr springri) charged you and how much height you are planning to gain, and how much estimated time he told you?
Sorry for my bad English.
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I am also very curious about this diary is going. Please let us know. Its good to have a Sringari patient currently lengthening so we can have a testament about his current work.
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Easy, Dirty Harry.
Hello racist psycho. Shut the fk up. People like u piss me off.
I did 6cm with Dr Sringari and I'm totally fine now. Just not recovered enough to run and jump.
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I thought there were some probs with dr sarin? at least, from what I read?
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Hello chocolaty
How is everything going. Please keep us updated as I will be doing LL in India in the coming months.
Wish you the best