Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: YellowSpike on December 14, 2014, 09:29:06 PM
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Ok folks...my big day is tomorrow at 7am. I'm not nervous one bit because I have literally gone through hell this past week after arriving in London. Will discuss more later. I am shooting for around 6.5-7cm (currently 167cm morning/166cm night). I am a Caucasian American male, in my very early 30s.
I did the pre-training in Milano, and achieved an increase of 55% muscle strength over 3.5 weeks (most patients get 25%-35% I am told). Holla.
Wish me luck! ;D
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Good luck Yellowspike!!!
Wish I was there with you!
Keep us updated. :)
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Good luck Yellowspike!!!
Wish I was there with you!
Keep us updated. :)
Thanks pal :)
I should add that my main inspiration for choosing Dr. G is ShyShy. I'm aiming to be ShyShy part 2 ;)
I was also impressed with how Dr. G handled Leechlet...another reason I'm here.
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Congrats dude, I am happy you took the plunge. Before you know it you will be on a plane home feeling very accomplished.
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Congrats dude, I am happy you took the plunge. Before you know it you will be on a plane home feeling very accomplished.
Thanks PD! Talking to you these past few months definitely helped get me over the hump to just do it.
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Good luck! ;)
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Good luck! ;)
Thank you very much Chris/Up! Your diary last year was a huge inspiration for me bro.
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You lucky dog. I wish I could've afforded Guichet. ;)
Best of luck to you, although you won't need it with such a great surgeon.
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You lucky dog. I wish I could've afforded Guichet. ;)
Best of luck to you, although you won't need it with such a great surgeon.
Haha thank you MDoW! He's definitely not cheap....cheaper than Paley and Rozbruch, but not by that much (Rozbruch is worse due to crazy hospital fees). I will definitely be working hard the next few years to recoup, though luckily it didn't break the bank by any means. I guess the one good thing about doing LL after your 20s is that you have more cash. Though all else equal, I wish I was 25 and doing this hehe
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how did you keep enough money aside, and how long did it take you.
As a french i d love to it with him, but i would have to save money for 8 years :o, maybe more, unless i get paid 20 000 euros a month, which is impossible lol (i'm an engineer, if i can find a job in uk, i could be paid 3000 £ a month or about 3800 euros, it would be great)
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Good luck, YellowSpike. Hope everything goes as smoothly as it possibly can.
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First please consider 5-6 cm for better recovery
Then if your body could accept more then slightly increase
Please go to old forum and read Jay7 diary that is valueble diary
Good luck
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Thanks pal :)
I should add that my main inspiration for choosing Dr. G is ShyShy. I'm aiming to be ShyShy part 2 ;)
I was also impressed with how Dr. G handled Leechlet...another reason I'm here.
How could he handle Leelchet case?
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In my hospital room now waiting to be taken to the "theater."
I REALLY need a sedative.
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Hi, I am trying to contact the clinic to arrange a consultation. I got one email about a month ago, one day after enquiring but not received an email the second time after asking for a consultation. I tried ringing them but it goes to voicemail. I was wondering which is the best way to book a consulation?
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good luck bro!
how much is the cost?
i heard good things about him!!
is it precice nail?
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Thanks pal :)
I should add that my main inspiration for choosing Dr. G is ShyShy. I'm aiming to be ShyShy part 2 ;)
I was also impressed with how Dr. G handled Leechlet...another reason I'm here.
what happened with shyshy? he acheived full athletic abilities?
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you're getting operated in London?
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Best wishes, not sure on time zones but you either had your operation or should be soon!
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My surgery ended about 2 hours ago and I am doing super! No pain, and did the bike for 20 minutes right after, and have been walking with crutches. So glad it's over..l I am so tired!
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My surgery ended about 2 hours ago and I am doing super! No pain, and did the bike for 20 minutes right after, and have been walking with crutches. So glad it's over..l I am so tired!
get well soon! the next few days might be painful but those who do with dr guichet are given sufficent painkillrs so theres no pain
how much doess this cost bro?
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Good luck man its great to hear from a Guichet patient. Will you keep us updated on your recovery?
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The guys. So tired. Gonna try to bike again soon and crutches to bathroom. Pain is a 1/10 when I sit still, 4-5/10 when I move. But I'm due for pain meds and on nothing right now. And NO CATHETER! Must've been taken out before I came to lol
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Just went to the bathroom on my own using crutches and washed my face. Then did the bike a second time for 40 minutes. I've had no pain killers since around 2pm (it's almost 8 now), but only painful when I have to move my legs (4-6/10 pain). In a bit I'm gonna go to the bathroom again to brush my teeth and floss lol
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badass yellowspike.
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badass yellowspike.
Thanks man. I have to be. I'm psyching myself out and pushing myself constantly for my mental well-being. Maybe I can even skip over using the walker...would be awesome if I could.
Going to the bathroom and bending was painful, but instead of "OMG this hurts!" I just kept repeating that pain is pain and that I could do it.
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Hi, I am trying to contact the clinic to arrange a consultation. I got one email about a month ago, one day after enquiring but not received an email the second time after asking for a consultation. I tried ringing them but it goes to voicemail. I was wondering which is the best way to book a consulation?
The only advice I can say is to just hang in there, he will get to his emails eventually. I'm also trying to arrange for a consultation with Dr. Guichet and the email back and forth is sporadic, too. Sometimes it's an immediate response, sometimes it takes him over a week. I suppose that it's just the tempo of how things are done in Europe.
In Guichet's own words, to me:
"I am sorry for the delay to answer your emails, but, as you understand, I always want to personally answer personally my patients personally, and this can take some time, because of my commitments."
Also, I would say it takes a bit of time before he warms up to you (I've noticed this, doing business with French people), which is totally understandable. I'm sure he gets a never-ending wave of newb emails everyday and it takes time for him to recognize which ones are sincere and which ones are "just browsing".
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Remember when I said the pain wasn't bad? It is tonight! I can't piss in those bottles they give you for the life of me, so I had to crutch it to the bathroom again. OUCH. 8/10 this time. They just gave me some morphine so it's soothed it a bit.
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I'm a little confused about how you had no pain at first? It was the same for me but thats because I had an epidural. The moment that came out... Geeze.
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Good luck!
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I'm a little confused about how you had no pain at first? It was the same for me but thats because I had an epidural. The moment that came out... Geeze.
I had an epidural too, but it was taken out after the surgery. So once it's effects wore off...last night was awful. They're gonna try to get me stronger pain meds.
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Can they get you dilaudid? That stuff will put you where you want to be.
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Remember when I said the pain wasn't bad? It is tonight! I can't piss in those bottles they give you for the life of me, so I had to crutch it to the bathroom again. OUCH. 8/10 this time. They just gave me some morphine so it's soothed it a bit.
Dude, stand up and try to piss. it is around the same, you have to try... touch ur dckie a bit, it will flow
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Can they get you dilaudid? That stuff will put you where you want to be.
They just got me OxyContin and Diazepam. And they're gonna give me a more potent but shorter lasting Oxy at lunch. I'll probably be here until Thursdsy.
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Dear Yellowspike,
I am sorry for interrupting your diary, I sincerely appolgize.
I am relieved that someone is making a diary of Dr Guichet 2014, I, also will have my LL soon around 2015-16.
But the I'd like to know every stap you have taken to get to the surgery, if I may ask :) ?
How did you contact Dr Guichet and what did you include in your mail etc.
I'd appreciate if you took the time to help me,
Thanks for reading!
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Yeah, ShyShy was back to 100% function within 9 months (his words).
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As much as I love Dr. G....I am super jealous of you guys who had epidurals kept in the first few days. I have not, and so far, nothing seems to help with the pain. But when Dr. Guichet visited me earlier today, he said most of my pain is due to swelling caused by some broken blood vessels. They put some patches on my legs to help with that, but PT has been very hard so far.
I hope this damn swelling goes down because I want to do PT as much as I can.
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Honestly, while epidural was nice to have for 2/3 days, once it came out it was a horrible shock.
Dilaudid was the real thing you should be jealous of. Idk why they aren't giving you that, but on the plus side you will be very toughened up for the rest of the first month!
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This pain is getting old. I NEED this damn swelling to go down already!
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Can you get medical weed in France? That might help with the pain.
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Everything gets better man, just gotta truck through that first month.
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Everything gets better man, just gotta truck through that first month.
Thanks man. I hope at least there's an improvement around the third week mark like many seem to have experienced.
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Thanks man. I hope at least there's an improvement around the third week mark like many seem to have experienced.
Saying from tibia, my doctor says you have a huge drop in pain after 4 cm
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You will see an improvement around then. When post surgical pain has subsided things get a lot better. Second month is much more comfortable, and if you are lengthening into your third month it becomes a breeze in comparison. Once you stop you will be very happy with how fast you feel great again as well.
You don't have that much more of this intense pain to cope with, and you're looking at a lifetime of benefit so keep your eye on the prize.
Not sure if you have access, but sitting in a warm shower helped me cope a lot during the period of bad pain early on.
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You will see an improvement around then. When post surgical pain has subsided things get a lot better. Second month is much more comfortable, and if you are lengthening into your third month it becomes a breeze in comparison. Once you stop you will be very happy with how fast you feel great again as well.
You don't have that much more of this intense pain to cope with, and you're looking at a lifetime of benefit so keep your eye on the prize.
Not sure if you have access, but sitting in a warm shower helped me cope a lot during the period of bad pain early on.
Thanks a lot bro, I really appreciate this! I actually do feel slightly better, but Dr. G is tough and expects a lot out of me even this early on.
As you said at the beginning of your diary....I definitely don't think I'd be doing as well as I have been without my huge triceps, chest and shoulders. My legs are starting to come back, but are still virtually useless at this point.
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Saying from tibia, my doctor says you have a huge drop in pain after 4 cm
Cool! I think I'm at like 1.2-1.3cm right now.
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Cool! I think I'm at like 1.2-1.3cm right now.
How is everything now me brother?
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Hey guys! Sorry I've been slackin was the updates. The first week, as you all know, was quite a physical and emotional challenge. I figured id have all my breakdowns offline, then resurface lol. The hospital was hell on Earth. I had a lesser version of the Rtaller/Cooper alien poop because I knew enough to use prune juice and hot water. But the pain the first 3-4 days was debilitating.
It's post-op day 10, and the pain is almost all gone, except for on the sides of my butt and a little on my right knee. My main complaint now is that sleeping SUCKS. I sleep for like 3-4 hours if Im lucky, then struggle big time going back to sleep. I'm hoping this at least improves a little, even though I know it won't resolve completely until I stop clicking.
The one sucky thing about the Gnail compared to Precice is clicking. It's not painful...just very annoying. And I hear it gets more painful as the bone heals :-[
Dr. G is hardcore. He makes us go to the gym and do the isokinetic center almost every day! From a physical fitness standpoint, no problem, but going off little to no sleep makes it very hard. I'm hoping my body somehow adapts to it all.
I hit my first inch in 3 more days (I'm a little over 2cm right now), shooting for 6.5-7cm. So I should be done in early Feb. ;D
I'm a tad concerned about the cost the of all of this (all these damn taxi rides are adding up)... But I'm trying to tell myself that we make most of our money between our late 30s through our 50s, and I still have a nice amount left to buy property in the next year or two. Plus my next goal after LL is to get a new job to make more money anyway.
One day at a time!
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Congratulation on being 2cm taller already. Hang in there. Hopefully your discomfort and sleeplessness will get better soon.
How many hours do you spend in the Gym everyday? Do they focus more on stretching or aerobic exercises in the Gym?
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Congratulation on being 2cm taller already. Hang in there. Hopefully your discomfort and sleeplessness will get better soon.
How many hours do you spend in the Gym everyday? Do they focus more on stretching or aerobic exercises in the Gym?
Thanks pal. I hope the sleep issue even just improves a bit, since I don't expect it to completely resolve until after lengthening ends.
We do about 1.5-2 hours in the gym, and then about 2 hours at isokinetic. The only aerobic exercise they've made me do so far is cycling, and then mostly stretching exercises. Dr. G came to my isokinetic session yesterday and said I was doing well enough that he thinks I can do the elliptical (on broken lets!!) in about 2 weeks. Nuts!
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I am currently lengthening my femurs as well (Precice II, South Africa) and I have a diary as well.
My surgery was about 5.5 weeks ago. One thing I am learning is that there are surprises all the time during this journey. My sleep was very bad, then it suddenly got better. In the last couple of days I have been sleeping too much (more than 12 hours per day) and I have been taking less pain meds, so it is not due to medications either.
Same goes with pain (sometimes it is better, other times it is worse).
Maybe you can ask Dr. G if you can take any over the counter sleep aide.
I don't know what exactly Isokinetic center is. Is it a place where there are machines that will help you stretch? Why can't a physical therapist help you with those stretches?
I understand that Dr. G considers Isokinetic center very important. And I respect Dr. G., so I am not arguing. But I want to understand and I am curious. What part of it makes it so unique? Staff experience?modern machines?
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I am currently lengthening my femurs as well (Precice II, South Africa) and I have a diary as well.
My surgery was about 5.5 weeks ago. One thing I am learning is that there are surprises all the time during this journey. My sleep was very bad, then it suddenly got better. In the last couple of days I have been sleeping too much (more than 12 hours per day) and I have been taking less pain meds, so it is not due to medications either.
Same goes with pain (sometimes it is better, other times it is worse).
Maybe you can ask Dr. G if you can take any over the counter sleep aide.
I don't know what exactly Isokinetic center is. Is it a place where there are machines that will help you stretch? Why can't a physical therapist help you with those stretches?
I understand that Dr. G considers Isokinetic center very important. And I respect Dr. G., so I am not arguing. But I want to understand and I am curious. What part of it makes it so unique? Staff experience?modern machines?
I will check your diary out bro! And I'm glad to hear that your sleep improved...I really hope that mine does soon, because then I'll be much better able to deal with the onslaught of physical therapy. He prescribed a sleeping aid from the get-go but it doesn't help that much :-\
You can look them up, but my understanding is that isokinetic centers and the specialists who work there are experts in dealing with any and all kinds of physical inquiries. I met a guy there who tore his miniscus, a guy who broke a femur in a skiing accident, and a girl who badly sprained or tore her hamstring while running vigorously. They're almost like "super physical therapists," and they have great facilities and equipment too. Dr. G works closely with a few in the various centers in Milan and London, so they know best how to deal with LL patients.
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Ok thanks for explanation about Isokinetic center.
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Keep the costs out of your mind for now man. Stay strong!
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Keep the costs out of your mind for now man. Stay strong!
Thanks man!
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When did any of you attempt to sleep on your side? I almost was able to last night, but it was still pretty painful. The only pain I have left at the moment is on the sides of my upper thighs/butt, really. It's still pretty bruised on one side too, hoping it goes away soon.
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Since 3 weeks post-op, I have been able to sleep on my sides but only for about an hour or so and then I wake up. I usually put a pillow between my legs (my PT told me that I could put a pillow under my legs as well, which I have not tried that yet).
I don't know why I can't sleep for too long on my sides. Part of the reason could be that before the surgery, I always slept on my back.
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Well, Monday will be 3 weeks post op, and I'm getting new x-rays taken soon. I believe I'm at about 3cm, perhaps a tad more. The x-rays will confirm. Pain is only bad at night. I still have a lot of trouble sleeping. My only complaint aside from this is some very slight numbness in my left shin. The head physiotherapist said I'm doing fantastically so I'm not sure what's causing the shin numbness. Neither Guichet nor the physiotherapist seem too worried about it but I hope it goes away.
I had a family member visit me in London this past week and I'm kinda down now since they left today. According to Dr. G's calculations, I'm due to hit my goal of 6.5cm on Feb 5...so I'm just hoping Jan flies by. I'm ready to start sleeping again, and as I havent been home since Nov 11, I'm really ready to go home.
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Are you in London? Not Milan?
Where does Guichet stay?
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Remember when I said the pain wasn't bad? It is tonight! I can't piss in those bottles they give you for the life of me, so I had to crutch it to the bathroom again. OUCH. 8/10 this time. They just gave me some morphine so it's soothed it a bit.
They actually give morphine???
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Its gotta be sweet to know you are already over an inch taller.
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Its gotta be sweet to know you are already over an inch taller.
hell ya,, im almost 2 cm... 1.9cm+ its damn swt
hang on there YS
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hell ya,, im almost 2 cm... 1.9cm+ its damn swt
hang on there YS
Thanks man, I'm trying! It's so hard with such bad sleep! Congrats at almost being an inch taller!
My main complaints are:
1. Pain in my right leg when I stand straight with feet closed. My PT believes this is from me mentally compensating by using my better leg (the left one) since the surgery. So we are gonna address this in PT.
2. Slight numbness on left shin (which hasn't worsened at least)
3. Lack of sleep
4. Appetite ain't that great but I try to force myself to eat.
Im so hoping I can get to 6.5cm the first week of Feb. I think I'm at like 3.2ish cm now. X-rays on Monday will confirm. Nervous!
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Ok folks...my big day is tomorrow at 7am. I'm not nervous one bit because I have literally gone through hell this past week after arriving in London. Will discuss more later. I am shooting for around 6.5-7cm (currently 167cm morning/166cm night). I am a Caucasian American male, in my very early 30s.
I did the pre-training in Milano, and achieved an increase of 55% muscle strength over 3.5 weeks (most patients get 25%-35% I am told). Holla.
Wish me luck! ;D
My friend
I just finised your diary in old forum
What is the criteria that change you form Dr R to Dr G?
I am considering between Dr Paley and Dr G
I am 176.5-177.5want to add 6 cm with Dr G
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Sorry if I'm not responding to some specific questions or messages. LL is taking everything I've got. Had my 3 week post op X-rays yesterday and my bone ossification looks good. Waiting for confirmation from Guichet, but I think I'm at around 3.6cm. I believe I'm due to hit 4cm on Monday.
My main problem right now (aside from not getting any sleep) is BAD knee pain on my left knee. This is frustrating as hell because my left leg was previously behaving with no pain. I actually look forward to my twice a day PT, but this knee pain really sucks. They've said its due to a big loss of muscle mass (which I expected would happen), so now we are refocusing on buffing the muscles around that knee back up.
On a positive note, Dr. G and all the PTs say I'm doing great besides this awful pain (that just started 2 days ago), and are all impressed with my flexibility retention given how much I've lengthened already (my PT at Isokinetic today said this is key, so it made me feel better after barely getting through my two sessions off of no sleep).
6.5cm, can you please get here? Like soon? I miss sleep too.
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Why not 8 cm? That should be pretty safe in Dr. Guichet's hands.
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Why not 8 cm? That should be pretty safe in Dr. Guichet's hands.
I gotta get back to work in late Feb/Early March, and 6.5-7cm has always been my mental goal. I already feel taller and dont really feel that short anymore even though I still am lol
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Great going man!
Stay strong. I need the inspiration for when it is my time. :)
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Great going man!
Stay strong. I need the inspiration for when it is my time. :)
Thanks bud. I'm trying. As dedicated as I am to this process (all the PT have admired my attitude and dedication), things like pain and no sleep are out of my control...and its wearing on me. Hopefully, just a few more weeks...
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Sorry if I'm not responding to some specific questions or messages. LL is taking everything I've got. Had my 3 week post op X-rays yesterday and my bone ossification looks good. Waiting for confirmation from Guichet, but I think I'm at around 3.6cm. I believe I'm due to hit 4cm on Monday.
My main problem right now (aside from not getting any sleep) is BAD knee pain on my left knee. This is frustrating as hell because my left leg was previously behaving with no pain. I actually look forward to my twice a day PT, but this knee pain really sucks. They've said its due to a big loss of muscle mass (which I expected would happen), so now we are refocusing on buffing the muscles around that knee back up.
On a positive note, Dr. G and all the PTs say I'm doing great besides this awful pain (that just started 2 days ago), and are all impressed with my flexibility retention given how much I've lengthened already (my PT at Isokinetic today said this is key, so it made me feel better after barely getting through my two sessions off of no sleep).
6.5cm, can you please get here? Like soon? I miss sleep too.
I did tibia.. im 2.4 cm, and 4 weeks postop... its so fast on femurs so its a trade-off..! the pain and lack of sleep!
its great news about ur flexibility... im one of the few patients that retained lack of contractures too!
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Thanks bud. I'm trying. As dedicated as I am to this process (all the PT have admired my attitude and dedication), things like pain and no sleep are out of my control...and its wearing on me. Hopefully, just a few more weeks...
doesnt guichet provide sleep pills? according to leechlet's vids
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I did tibia.. im 2.4 cm, and 4 weeks postop... its so fast on femurs so its a trade-off..! the pain and lack of sleep!
its great news about ur flexibility... im one of the few patients that retained lack of contractures too!
Yea I suppose femurs are more painful, I can totally see that.
Well, I have contractures around my knees (my understanding is that they are shortening of the muscles), but my overall flexibility is still excellent. But the contractures I believe are part of my knee pain.
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doesnt guichet provide sleep pills? according to leechlet's vids
He does but they didnt help much, so I stopped using them. I've just been taking Valium and painkillers before bed, but I'll try the sleeping pills again tonight as I attempt to sleep lol
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Yea I suppose femurs are more painful, I can totally see that.
Well, I have contractures around my knees (my understanding is that they are shortening of the muscles), but my overall flexibility is still excellent. But the contractures I believe are part of my knee pain.
yup my friend in russia who did ext femurs said the femur pain is 9/10 and tibia is 0-1/10.
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Yea I suppose femurs are more painful, I can totally see that.
Well, I have contractures around my knees (my understanding is that they are shortening of the muscles), but my overall flexibility is still excellent. But the contractures I believe are part of my knee pain.
ive knee pains too.. r they from knee contracture?
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ive knee pains too.. r they from knee contracture?
I think partially. I was told that my knee pain was caused by my large loss of muscle mass around the knee cap. So we're trying to address it by building those muscles back up via leg lifts and other exercises and more protein. They all seem to think it'll improve.
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What happens if one doesn't sleep for a long time? Are there any serious problems?
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What happens if one doesn't sleep for a long time? Are there any serious problems?
Dunno. For me it just makes PT that much harder when normally I'd breeze through it.
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I think when i walk more, my joints get less stiff (knee joints and ankle)..
when i was in transit and plane for more than 2 days, my legs hurt so much when i try to bend..
do u get that too?
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Hey Yellowspike -you think you going to repeat Shyshy's success story?
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Hey Yellowspike -you think you going to repeat Shyshy's success story?
I'd love to, and I'm working my ass towards it. But at this point....I just wanna survive to the end of clicking lol...about 3.5-4 weeks to go...
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Good luck mate at least it's temporary hardship.
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Good luck mate at least it's temporary hardship.
Thanks pal.
If it weren't for my left knee pain (sleep was slightly better the last 2 nights), I'd honesty be almost golden.
I know Dr G is against people going home before clicking is done, but I may go home like a week before its done. I can't see how a week would kill me.
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Thanks pal.
If it weren't for my left knee pain (sleep was slightly better the last 2 nights), I'd honesty be almost golden.
I know Dr G is against people going home before clicking is done, but I may go home like a week before its done. I can't see how a week would kill me.
Just stay there till finish.
If anything go wrong he can fix it easier.
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Thanks pal.
If it weren't for my left knee pain (sleep was slightly better the last 2 nights), I'd honesty be almost golden.
I know Dr G is against people going home before clicking is done, but I may go home like a week before its done. I can't see how a week would kill me.
might also have more pain and complications when the clicking is nearing its end..
but going home u might be in better spirits..
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might also have more pain and complications when the clicking is nearing its end..
but going home u might be in better spirits..
Well I am working really hard in PT to avoid complications. My only really complication so far (at about 4cm) really is the left knee pain, which Ive been told is fairly common and can be fixed via PT.
My flexibility is still very good at this point, more than halfway done towards my goal. I mean...if Leechlet can do it, I can definitely do it. Lol
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Well I am working really hard in PT to avoid complications. My only really complication so far (at about 4cm) really is the left knee pain, which Ive been told is fairly common and can be fixed via PT.
My flexibility is still very good at this point, more than halfway done towards my goal. I mean...if Leechlet can do it, I can definitely do it. Lol
What height are you aiming for?
Also if you ever get the chance to ask Guichet about post-op recovery and what his experience with patients have been I think we all would greatly appreciate it.
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i think following doctor recommendations is v important..
im dealing with some pains and stiffness at my knee also.. otherwise im good.. actually, i think we are NOT afraid of the pain... for me at least, i am afraid that pain = complications have occurred or WILL occur if i continue.... ie, we are not afraid of the pain, but rather that the pain signifies that something bad is going to happen if we continue, or the pain signifies that some complication has occurred..
it is so much easier when ur with ur doctor cos he can inspect u and tell u nothing is wrong and u can continue with ur painful journey :)
remember, you are not afraid of pain, pain is afraid of YOU
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I'm actually not in that much pain. My knee is even improving too. It's more the lack of quality sleep and the loneliness that are somewhat getting to me. I've been away from home since early November (pre-training). So it's been a while. I'm actually glad the holidays are over lol. I just wanna get back to my family back home. But I'm starting to see the glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel :)
As for my goal height, 6.5cm-7cm will put me at about 5'8", which has always been my goal. I know its still short, but with everything else I have going for me, it won't be an issue. I never had trouble with women or my career. But being 5'5.5" was just unacceptable to me personally.
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I'm actually not in that much pain. My knee is even improving too. It's more the lack of quality sleep and the loneliness that are somewhat getting to me. I've been away from home since early November (pre-training). So it's been a while. I'm actually glad the holidays are over lol. I just wanna get back to my family back home. But I'm starting to see the glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel :)
As for my goal height, 6.5cm-7cm will put me at about 5'8", which has always been my goal. I know its still short, but with everything else I have going for me, it won't be an issue. I never had trouble with women or my career. But being 5'5.5" was just unacceptable to me personally.
You're gonna have a great life and you can always talk to us if you feel lonely. The only thing you should worrry about now is to get your body in the best shape you can so that your recovery will go smoothly.
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I'm actually not in that much pain. My knee is even improving too. It's more the lack of quality sleep and the loneliness that are somewhat getting to me. I've been away from home since early November (pre-training). So it's been a while. I'm actually glad the holidays are over lol. I just wanna get back to my family back home. But I'm starting to see the glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel :)
As for my goal height, 6.5cm-7cm will put me at about 5'8", which has always been my goal. I know its still short, but with everything else I have going for me, it won't be an issue. I never had trouble with women or my career. But being 5'5.5" was just unacceptable to me personally.
hey bro dont worry things will be fine soon, really
it would feel better to be back home..
though u MIGHT miss the place u went to (i do actually miss russia, now im back home for the further lengthening phase)
5'8 is not too bad! with shoe lifts, i would be 5'11. just that, i play basketball, so i cant really wear lifts all the time :(
if i didnt play ball, i wouldnt have went for 6' from 5'8 or 5'9 as my starting height
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Sleep was AWFUL last night. So much tightness and knee pain on both knees! Icing them helped me get back to sleep. I might have got like 5 hours in total...
I think im at about like 4.2cm right now. Dr G mentioned slowing down from 15 clicks (1mm) a day to 12 (.8mm) a day. We did 21 clicks a day the first 2 weeks. Not thrilled about having to drag this awful process out any longer...but if it'll help sleep and knee pain like he says....it'll only cost me a few extra days to hit my goal....
I'm gonna try to suck up 15 clicks a day for a few more days (depending on what he says) at least.
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Sleep was AWFUL last night. So much tightness and knee pain on both knees! Icing them helped me get back to sleep. I might have got like 5 hours in total...
I think im at about like 4.2cm right now. Dr G mentioned slowing down from 15 clicks (1mm) a day to 12 (.8mm) a day. We did 21 clicks a day the first 2 weeks. Not thrilled about having to drag this awful process out any longer...but if it'll help sleep and knee pain like he says....it'll only cost me a few extra days to hit my goal....
I'm gonna try to suck up 15 clicks a day for a few more days (depending on what he says) at least.
wow femur is real fast..
my ext tibia doc said if we slow down lengthening, the total recovery time (including consolidation) might be the same or shorter.
if we lengthen too fast, the total recovery time (inclusive of consolidating) is gonna be longer probably.
so no worries alright.
my doc says warm and ice compress alternate.
you can try diclofenac/ketoprofen gel. or methyl salicylate gel. they are sports gels, and they help so so much. my doc said they are OK.
im actualy only at 2.5 cm (1 inch) but my surgery date was 8 dec.. femur is so fast... how long is the total recovery time expected for you? and what is the no. of cm you are aiming for??
i might actually do femurs.. my tibias are starting to look long at 2.5 cm :(
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At this point, I'll probably have to click a few more days after I return home. I want to leave the first week of February. I'm alone in a foreign country (and have been since early November), I don't get any sleep, and I need to know that my days here are numbered. I don't want to have to stay longer if we are slowing the clicks down. 6.5cm needs to get here asap.
If I had a family member here, it'd be easier mentally. When I actually get decent sleep, I'm much better able to deal with everything, including pain.
My personal trainer that was with me in Milano is leaving this week too, so im really upset about that too. My PT session was terrible today because of the lack of sleep. Having someone there to tell me that the specific pains I'm experiencing is normal really helps...
I just can't wait for this to end...
/rant over :)
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At this point, I'll probably have to click a few more days after I return home. I want to leave the first week of February. I'm alone in a foreign country (and have been since early November), I don't get any sleep, and I need to know that my days here are numbered. I don't want to have to stay longer if we are slowing the clicks down. 6.5cm needs to get here asap.
If I had a family member here, it'd be easier mentally. When I actually get decent sleep, I'm much better able to deal with everything, including pain.
My personal trainer that was with me in Milano is leaving this week too, so im really upset about that too. My PT session was terrible today because of the lack of sleep. Having someone there to tell me that the specific pains I'm experiencing is normal really helps...
I just can't wait for this to end...
/rant over :)
Your PT left the job or just back to his home?
Does dr guichet will find other pt to help you?
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Your PT left the job or just back to his home?
Does dr guichet will find other pt to help you?
No the PT at the gym is in addition to the isokinetic center. So ill still be going to both the gym and isokinetic center, but the gym I'll be alone.
I'm trying to see if my PT can return to London after a few days. It's just better for my morale.
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Yellowspike will you do videos to demonstrate your recovery and pictures showing how it all looks after you're done with the hard part?
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Yellowspike will you do videos to demonstrate your recovery and pictures showing how it all looks after you're done with the hard part?
One day at a time my friend :) I just need to survive to clicking my way to 6.5cm!
I had the surgery 4 weeks ago today. Crazy. I hope the pain (which hasn't even been that bad) and sleep at least start to make small improvements soon. Just over 2cm to go.....
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One day at a time my friend :) I just need to survive to clicking my way to 6.5cm!
I had the surgery 4 weeks ago today. Crazy. I hope the pain (which hasn't even been that bad) and sleep at least start to make small improvements soon. Just over 2cm to go.....
I also thin about doing 6,5 with Guichet because the femur bone is slightly tilted so that way I should be 6CM taller. Do you feel like that is too much or did Guichet insinuate that less should be safer in any way?
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I also thin about doing 6,5 with Guichet because the femur bone is slightly tilted so that way I should be 6CM taller. Do you feel like that is too much or did Guichet insinuate that less should be safer in any way?
I think he believes 7-8cm is the "safe" max. I'll ask him.
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I think he believes 7-8cm is the "safe" max. I'll ask him.
Thanks mate you're great.
I saw Forced Puberty post that one shouldn't lenghten to fast (no faster than 0,66mm he said) if you want your recovery going well. I don't know if that's true but you should ask Guichet if you can slow down -safety first right?
Stay safe mate I really hope you recover as well as possible.
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Thanks mate you're great.
I saw Forced Puberty post that one shouldn't lenghten to fast (no faster than 0,66mm he said) if you want your recovery going well. I don't know if that's true but you should ask Guichet if you can slow down -safety first right?
Stay safe mate I really hope you recover as well as possible.
Is that for tibias or femurs, though? Femurs you can go faster, but Dr G said as of tomorrow we are slowing down a bit to help sleep and reduce some pain. I'm a little annoyed, but I'm still going home the first week of Feb, even if I have to click a few days at home to get to 6.5cm. I've been away since Nov 11, and I'm just tired of the loneliness at this point.
My checkup today at isokinetic went well. At around 4.5cm (guess-stimate), my SLR is around 80/85 degrees and my knee flexion is still excellent. So my flexibility has been hanging in there at least.
Most of my knee pain is now gone, but now my right leg (hip and outer thigh) is killing me.
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Is that for tibias or femurs, though? Femurs you can go faster, but Dr G said as of tomorrow we are slowing down a bit to help sleep and reduce some pain. I'm a little annoyed, but I'm still going home the first week of Feb, even if I have to click a few days at home to get to 6.5cm. I've been away since Nov 11, and I'm just tired of the loneliness at this point.
My checkup today at isokinetic went well. At around 4.5cm (guess-stimate), my SLR is around 80/85 degrees and my knee flexion is still excellent. So my flexibility has been hanging in there at least.
Most of my knee pain is now gone, but now my right leg (hip and outer thigh) is killing me.
It's for soft tissue in general it hurts when it's stretched beyond it's natural limits. Nerves get pulled out and may press against tight muscles and so. It's probably that kind of stuff that hurts so much for you. It's also supposed to help your post-op recovery if you lenghten slower because the body has more time to adjust and takes less damage. Remember that while you feel lonely and are in pain now it's better than facing a lifetime of worsened physical agility that could have been prevented.
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It's for soft tissue in general it hurts when it's stretched beyond it's natural limits. Nerves get pulled out and may press against tight muscles and so. It's probably that kind of stuff that hurts so much for you. It's also supposed to help your post-op recovery if you lenghten slower because the body has more time to adjust and takes less damage. Remember that while you feel lonely and are in pain now it's better than facing a lifetime of worsened physical agility that could have been prevented.
Yea I don't mind slowing down too much. I want this done safely! And if it'll reduce pain and help sleep I'm all for it. Even if it means I may have to click a few days back at home.
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Yea I don't mind slowing down too much. I want this done safely! And if it'll reduce pain and help sleep I'm all for it. Even if it means I may have to click a few days back at home.
I am interested in Dr Guichet could you tell me how your experience with him, the clinic, the staff and the city has been so far? Thanks and I look forward to seeing you recover mate.
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I am interested in Dr Guichet could you tell me how your experience with him, the clinic, the staff and the city has been so far? Thanks and I look forward to seeing you recover mate.
me too i might do internal femurs.... but only a few cm..but may not be worth the cost if i just do 4 cm.. :(
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The only thing holding me back is this mutha f#%*ing lack of sleep. Supposedly it'll improve as we've slowed lengthening down (day 3 now) and I'm getting a bike to cycle at night (supposedly this helps too, but I'll believe it when I sleep more than 2 hours).
Be warned...if you do internal femurs, sleep will be a thing of the past. If it weren't for this, I'd be pretty much golden right now.
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The only thing holding me back is this mutha f#%*ing lack of sleep. Supposedly it'll improve as we've slowed lengthening down (day 3 now) and I'm getting a bike to cycle at night (supposedly this helps too, but I'll believe it when I sleep more than 2 hours).
Be warned...if you do internal femurs, sleep will be a thing of the past. If it weren't for this, I'd be pretty much golden right now.
its so bad for ur health this chronic sleep deprivation
pls let me know why u cant sleep?
is it pain?? or discomfort?
or just that, you cant sleep?
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its so bad for ur health this chronic sleep deprivation
pls let me know why u cant sleep?
is it pain?? or discomfort?
or just that, you cant sleep?
I don't sleep bc of muscle tightness waking me up every night. I'm averaging maybe 3-4 hours a night, and it's going to kill me. For me, this is my only current real roadblock.
It's really reakly wearing on me. About 3 weeks of hell on earth to go. Wonder if it will even have been worth all this...
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I don't sleep bc of muscle tightness waking me up every night. I'm averaging maybe 3-4 hours a night, and it's going to kill me. For me, this is my only current real roadblock.
It's really reakly wearing on me. About 3 weeks of hell on earth to go. Wonder if it will even have been worth all this...
Slow down on your clicks that's probably why your muscles are so tight, give your body a break.
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try anti-histamines like hydroxyzine, take before u sleep
it makes it easier to drift back into sleep.
get a muscle relaxant tablet ready when u wake up, and swallow it if wake up in middle of night
also, take all pain meds immediatley before u sleep.
let me know if this helps..
i get enough sleep very night..
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Uppland - we have slowed clicks. Today is day 3 of 12 instead of 15 clicks, and supposedly it takes the body 4-5 to "notice" you've slowed down. So I'm sure I won't be sleeping tonight. And my bike should finally come tomorrow so that should hopefully help too.
ItsMyLife - thanks for the suggestions. Do you mean to take something like Benadryl? That ALWAYS knocks me out. As for muscle relaxants, Dr G said after a few weeks they don't work as much anymore which blows.
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How many cm are you at right now?
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How many cm are you at right now?
I'll have a better idea on Monday (next x-Rays), but if going by my Excel file, maybe just under 4,5cm? But I feel like it's more because I had many accidental clicks the first 2 weeks and I would (so stupidly) throw in an extra click here or there to speed things up (though I haven't done that in a while now). Boy did I learn my lesson.
I just need this to end. Shooting for between 6-6.5cm. I'll still only be in the 5'8" range, but I'm starting not to care about height anymore. This nightmare has made me appreciate what I had all along a lot more (as corny and "pussy-ish" as it may sound to all of you).
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I'll have a better idea on Monday (next x-Rays), but if going by my Excel file, maybe just under 4,5cm? But I feel like it's more because I had many accidental clicks the first 2 weeks and I would (so stupidly) throw in an extra click here or there to speed things up (though I haven't done that in a while now). Boy did I learn my lesson.
I just need this to end. Shooting for between 6-6.5cm. I'll still only be in the 5'8" range, but I'm starting not to care about height anymore. This nightmare has made me appreciate what I had all along a lot more (as corny and "pussy-ish" as it may sound to all of you).
This is completely normal. Just hang in there, start watching some series/movies to distract yourself, can't to much more.
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Hi Yellow
Is being away from home maybe a major contributor to your nightmare?
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Hi Yellow
Is being away from home maybe a major contributor to your nightmare?
Yea that's part of it. But sleep is the worst aspect right now for me.
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I think the lack of sleep is probably the worst aspect of CLL for most people. It's not as bad for me now being in the consolidation phase, but having these bulky Ilizarov frames on me still makes sleeping difficult to the point where I can't sleep now unless I drink a shot of whiskey first. Fortunately you're doing internals, so once your soft tissues have healed enough you shouldn't be uncomfortable sleeping.
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hang in there,
yes benadryl is an anti-histamine;
you may find it will stop working after 1 week. if so, switch to another anti-H such as hydroxyzine, chlorphenaramine.
they make u sleep like a baby!
take it before u sleep, so when you wake up, you will drift back into sleep!
i hope these will buy you a few weeks' of good sleep...
i have taken them for sleep and it really works... i've had good sleep since day one, but im doing ext tibia!
once anti-histmines dont work, take painkillers like codeine phosphate 30 mg or tramadol, which make u drowsy (dont take them tgt)
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I think the lack of sleep is probably the worst aspect of CLL for most people. It's not as bad for me now being in the consolidation phase, but having these bulky Ilizarov frames on me still makes sleeping difficult to the point where I can't sleep now unless I drink a shot of whiskey first. Fortunately you're doing internals, so once your soft tissues have healed enough you shouldn't be uncomfortable sleeping.
sometimes ive no pain or discomfort, but the fact of wearing the frames make it harder to sleep....
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Not sure what it was, but I think I got close to 5 hours of sleep last night (compared to the usual 2-3 the last two weeks). When I woke up around 3am, I mimicked the cycling motion in bed, and that actually somewhat helped. Lord have mercy, I needed those few extra hours, and I feel so much better (physically and mentally) today.
And my actual exercise bike arrives today, so hopefully my sleep will keep improving. Once I can fix this....I'll be so much better able to deal with all that LL has thrown at me (I've somehow managed a month post op with no sleep)
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that's grea.t.
is pain more or less controlled?
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that's grea.t.
is pain more or less controlled?
The pain at this point is only when I have to move my hips (particularly, my right one), and in some PT exercises. Other than that, pain is very manageable. I've only taken pain meds at night the last few days.
The bike does help. Went to bed around 11:30/11:45, woke up around 3. Biked for 10 minutes, then slept til around 6:30. Clicked at 7am, biked 10 more min, slept til almost 9:30. It's annoying to have to do it half asleep, but it seems to work.
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The pain at this point is only when I have to move my hips (particularly, my right one), and in some PT exercises. Other than that, pain is very manageable. I've only taken pain meds at night the last few days.
The bike does help. Went to bed around 11:30/11:45, woke up around 3. Biked for 10 minutes, then slept til around 6:30. Clicked at 7am, biked 10 more min, slept til almost 9:30. It's annoying to have to do it half asleep, but it seems to work.
You're sleeping ok dude. :) Chill out. I've had ~2 weeks of 3-4 hours of sleeping during exams. I would feel I could have gone longer after I finished. 8)
Do you wish to keep your current location and surgery location private (London or Milan)? I couldn't tell if you missed my questions or chose to keep it private.
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You're sleeping ok dude. :) Chill out. I've had ~2 weeks of 3-4 hours of sleeping during exams. I would feel I could have gone longer after I finished. 8)
Do you wish to keep your current location and surgery location private (London or Milan)? I couldn't tell if you missed my questions or chose to keep it private.
Lol well I dont know if you've had LL yet....but I don't think you can possibly compare getting no sleep during exams to getting no sleep while having to get around and do PT while temporarily crippled :)
I think I said earlier that this is all taking place in London. Just under 3 weeks until I head home!
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I cant imagine sleeping 3-4 hours with fractured bones... you will feel very very much worse than getting 3-4 hours as a healthy person:(
I've consistenly slept many hours since my LL... due to drugs like antihistamine and codeine.
past few days, I stopped taking drugs to sleep. I still sleep well... Phew.
Cos I have sleep issues.
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I cant imagine sleeping 3-4 hours with fractured bones... you will feel very very much worse than getting 3-4 hours as a healthy person:(
I've consistenly slept many hours since my LL... due to drugs like antihistamine and codeine.
past few days, I stopped taking drugs to sleep. I still sleep well... Phew.
Cos I have sleep issues.
I officially hate you :)
My sleep is still not great. Slightly improved, but not good. I don't know how I'm going to survive these next 2.5 weeks...and I've sorta decided that I'll click until around Feb 10/12 (I'm sure we will have slowed it down even more by then), and then whatever cm I gained, I'm done. I really just want to start recovering and sleeping normally again without having to bike 10-15 min at 3am just to wake up 2 hours later....
I think I'm due to hit 5cm this Wed or something...
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Sleep has been a little better the last two nights. I think I'm getting between 5 and 6 hours now. I still wake up with stiffness. Sometimes I can't be bothered to hop on the bike half asleep, so I'll just mimick the cycling motion in bed, and it actually seems to help.
I'm going home in two and a half weeks. I'll click until around feb 12, then I'm done. If we slow down again (I'm sure we will within a week knowing Dr G), it'll be around 6.2-6.4cm, which is fine with me. I'm already starting not to feel that short anymore.
The only pain I really have now is my stupid left flat foot (a little less today) and my right hip when I stand with my feet closed. My knees only feel pain when they're tight (bike helps that). I rarely take any pain meds during the day, only at night to help me sleep.
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Hey YellowSpike!
Great to hear about your amazing journey with Dr Guichet so far. I wish you the best in the next 2-3 cm of your pursuit of happyness ;)
By the way, how long did Dr G say you need to be in crutches after youre discharged and how long till you can walk normally? Cause Im kinda thinking about femur procedures as well ???
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Had my first official pool session today. Walking in the shallow end was hard to stay balanced, and painful for my right ankle. My right leg remains my "evil" leg. The pool session seems to have helped the pain on my right hip/glute area, but when I stand up straight with my feet closed together, my right ITB (which has a slight contacture) is very tight. This is my main concern at the moment.
I've noticed that most of the other pains keep changing, so I don't worry about them as much. We will see what Dr G has to say.
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You're sleeping ok dude. :) Chill out. I've had ~2 weeks of 3-4 hours of sleeping during exams. I would feel I could have gone longer after I finished. 8)
Do you wish to keep your current location and surgery location private (London or Milan)? I couldn't tell if you missed my questions or chose to keep it private.
I wonder why it's hurting you so much. Hope you end up ok, man.
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Just read all your diary in a row and I must say that i will definitely go for Dr G. I can more a less relate to you. At 18 years old I'm 5'5 (1,65) and aim for 6,5cm in femurs! The worst part is that I still have to whait some years until I do this :'(
I'm just curious on 3 things, that would mean the world to me if you could reply: :D
First of all when it comes to thw money spent you think 55k€ would be enough for the operating, pills and the isokinetic center? (i kinda have relatives there that would help with the acommodation)
Second of all you said you go to a Isokinetic center, but how do you get there? Public transportations? Taxi? Can u axtually walk more a less?
Finally this is me :) http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=beae9b0
3 picture the best?
Good luck and aim for the 6,5cm in femurs! You will look very well and you are only some weeks from the end. How I envue in a good way. ;) Congratz!!!
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I wonder why it's hurting you so much. Hope you end up ok, man.
Thanks RRB. It's all part of the process. LL is not fun and not kind to your body. Even if you go with a top tier doctor like Guichet or Paley.
I'm fairly confident this will all resolve in time. I'm done clicking in about 2/2.5 weeks. Should put me between 6.2-6.5cm, factoring in probably slowing down clicks again next week (.8mm a day to .66mm per day)
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Just read all your diary in a row and I must say that i will definitely go for Dr G. I can more a less relate to you. At 18 years old I'm 5'5 (1,65) and aim for 6,5cm in femurs! The worst part is that I still have to whait some years until I do this :'(
I'm just curious on 3 things, that would mean the world to me if you could reply: :D
First of all when it comes to thw money spent you think 55k€ would be enough for the operating, pills and the isokinetic center? (i kinda have relatives there that would help with the acommodation)
Second of all you said you go to a Isokinetic center, but how do you get there? Public transportations? Taxi? Can u axtually walk more a less?
Finally this is me :) http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=beae9b0
3 picture the best?
Good luck and aim for the 6,5cm in femurs! You will look very well and you are only some weeks from the end. How I envue in a good way. ;) Congratz!!!
Will get back to you!
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Will get back to you!
please get back to him here :) (not PM)
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As of my Monday afternoon X-rays, I am 5cm taller!! I'm so happy to be 5 days ahead of my click schedule (Guichets click file didn't have me hitting 5cm until Friday). I guess all the hospital and accidental clicks pushed me ahead.
.5 inches/1.5 mutha f'in cm to go!!!! Thank the Lord because my body is fighting me and I am so tired...I can see the mountain top....
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As of my Monday afternoon X-rays, I am 5cm taller!! I'm so happy to be 5 days ahead of my click schedule (Guichets click file didn't have me hitting 5cm until Friday). I guess all the hospital and accidental clicks pushed me ahead.
.5 inches/1.5 mutha f'in cm to go!!!! Thank the Lord because my body is fighting me and I am so tired...I can see the mountain top....
Almost done!! Must be a great feeling!
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Almost done!! Must be a great feeling!
I needed this good news so badly because today was so hard for me. I'm so exhausted from the lack of sleep and PT, being alone in a foreign country etc...so to know the days are numbered (and that I may not have to click at home!) is amazing. And I know Guichet is gonna slow clicks again probably next week, so that extra 5 day buffer is majorly welcome!
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Hey Yellowspike,
congratulations to the 5 cm! I'm also planning a lengthening with Dr Guichet, but the costs are very important for me. I've heard, that the prices are higher now :( Could you tell me/us your costs pls? Thank you very much!
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I was asked not to reveal the exact costs, but I will say that if you are forced to do pre-training (like I was, since I "failed" the first Cybex test), with costs of living in Milan or London, you're looking at between 75-80ishK (USD). Cheaper without pre-training, but I needed the guidance and wanted not to take months of waiting while training at home. I got screwed with the higher cost of living in London, so I'm at the higher end of that range. Luckily I've still been getting pay checks and my insurance should reimburse many of the X-ray/tests/PT, etc when I get home and file the claims. And my dad is going to throw some cash he said. So my net costs are fairly decent for a top tier doctor.'
I'm running on empty. Tired of waking up almost every hour during the night. Not sure how I made it to the gym today, and I hope I don't drown in the pool at the isokinetic center.
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Thank you very much! Does Dr Guichet have any email address? I've found one on his webpage and i've wrote to him a few weeks ago, but no answer...:/ can you give me a personal email address maybe or something?
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I was asked not to reveal the exact costs, but I will say that if you are forced to do pre-training (like I was, since I "failed" the first Cybex test), with costs of living in Milan or London, you're looking at between 75-80ishK (USD). Cheaper without pre-training, but I needed the guidance and wanted not to take months of waiting while training at home. I got screwed with the higher cost of living in London, so I'm at the higher end of that range. Luckily I've still been getting pay checks and my insurance should reimburse many of the X-ray/tests/PT, etc when I get home and file the claims. And my dad is going to throw some cash he said. So my net costs are fairly decent for a top tier doctor.'
I'm running on empty. Tired of waking up almost every hour during the night. Not sure how I made it to the gym today, and I hope I don't drown in the pool at the isokinetic center.
I doubt I'll have to do any pretrainning, fortunately.
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Does anyone on here know how accurate radiologist estimates of lengthening are?
I just had a checkup with the head isokinetic doctor...he gave my flexibility glowing reviews. Then handed me a paper from the radiologist that said the segments between the femoral segments are 5.9cm and 6cm, respectively. Could I REALLY be a full cm ahead of clicking schedule? Aside from a huge number of accidental clicks early on (I had like 1 per day in the first 2 weeks), is this possible? Somehow I don't believe this, as happy as I'd be to be just .5cm from my goal.
I asked the isokinetic doctor, and he believes radiologist estimates are generally accurate.
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Since your flexibility is so good and you're ahead of schedule, are you thinking of doin an extra centimeter?
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Since your flexibility is so good and you're ahead of schedule, are you thinking of doin an extra centimeter?
I'm very confused right now. Dr G just told me that those radiologist estimates aren't accurate and that I'm around 5cm. I'm inclined to believe Dr G.
I'm not sure how much more of this I can take. I really didn't wanna have to click at home.
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My radiologist never told me how much length was gained, he'd just send the x-rays straight to Drs Parihar and Ahuja and one of them would tell me how much length was showing on the x-rays. I think your surgeon would be more accurate in determining the real distraction amount. If you're planning for 6 cm, you may want to click a few mm above that though to account for slight margin of error in the measurement.
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I'm very confused right now. Dr G just told me that those radiologist estimates aren't accurate and that I'm around 5cm. I'm inclined to believe Dr G.
I'm not sure how much more of this I can take. I really didn't wanna have to click at home.
My suggestion ,you must live there untill finish consolidation phase,Just wait longer and throw your loneliness off,Be patient ,everything will be alright.Play safe.
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I doubt I'll have to do any pretrainning, fortunately.
why do u say so?
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What is the most accurate way to measure your gain as you lengthen? They measured me today but I think it's less than what I thought because, even though I was up against a wall, I'm not sure I was totally straight due to duck ass.
I just want to f#%*king know where I'm at. I hope I can get as close to 6.5cm as possible, but I'll settle for a bit less (I.e. 6.2). Maybe I'm just obsessing too much, but for all this work and misery...
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You're almost there, man. Don't settle for anything less than your goal; after all, you spent a LOT of money in this surgery.
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You're almost there, man. Don't settle for anything less than your goal; after all, you spent a LOT of money in this surgery.
Yea but I gotta get back to work in early March. I don't have much time left.
I'm starting to really regret this because it seems my dream height just isn't going to come true. And if I can't have that, this was all a waste. They measured me standing up against a wall today, and it was bad. I don't even want to say.
I'm just very upset and frustrated right now. I'll never understand, ever, how 5'8" and up guys want this surgery. But whatever.
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Hang in there my friend
Have you asked about anesthetic clicking?
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Hang in there my friend
Have you asked about anesthetic clicking?
Thank you.
It's not the pain. It's just that I don't think my goal is going to happen and that's why I'm very upset right now. Maybe my starting height was a bit less? Maybe I wasn't totally straight today (even though I tried to be against the wall)? Maybe I need to just somehow finish this and not measure myself (or let myself be measured) ever again.
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Thank you.
It's not the pain. It's just that I don't think my goal is going to happen and that's why I'm very upset right now. Maybe my starting height was a bit less? Maybe I wasn't totally straight today (even though I tried to be against the wall)? Maybe I need to just somehow finish this and not measure myself ever again.
172CM, 173CM -what's the difference? I'm sure you can make 6,5CM, how much do you have left 2-3CM? Even if you slow down to 0.66mm per day that's just a month and a half. You can make it, I'm sure you can.
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Yea but I gotta get back to work in early March. I don't have much time left.
I'm starting to really regret this because it seems my dream height just isn't going to come true. And if I can't have that, this was all a waste. They measured me standing up against a wall today, and it was bad. I don't even want to say.
I'm just very upset and frustrated right now. I'll never understand, ever, how 5'8" and up guys want this surgery. But whatever.
Dude, you can pull it off. Finish the lengthening with Dr. G to hit 5'8 and you can return to America this February.
Don't settle for anything less than your dream height! You don't want to be regretting your decision in the future.
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I really appreciate your guys support. Thank you.
I'm going home 2 weeks from tomorrow, and may have to click a few days at home. I'm hoping to be walking (even stiffly/funnily) by early March.
I'm mainly upset because I just don't know my current lengthening amount. I think Dr G measured my starting height at 166, and another doctor in Milan measured the same in the evening. I should be at about 5cm+ now, but was measured lower than what I should be at. Could duck ass have been the culprit, even though I was up against the wall?
It doesn't help that I got this bad measurement after a painful meeting with an osteopath (I don't even want to talk about that) and hours of PT. I felt like all my work has been for nothing.
All I know is, I really been away for almost 3 months, so I'm not staying more than 2 more weeks. I also have a sick family member. I need to get home.
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You know what's best for yourself and even if it's rough right now it will just be a bad memory in a few months.
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You know what's best for yourself and even if it's rough right now it will just be a bad memory in a few months.
Thanks man. I can get through these next two weeks, no question. But it will have been 3 months away from home, the holidays, a sick parent....it's all taken a huge toll on me.
I just tried to stand up straight on the mirror. I definitely have duck ass and I think that ruined my measurement today. My ass sticks out and my back/spine isn't straight.
I just wanted to get as close to 5'8" as possible. I've been measured from 166-166.5-167, so ill assume 166 to be conservative. I suppose 5'7.5"+ or thereabouts is close enough to where I can just say 5'8", of course....but as all LL'ers, I'm a bit obsessed with the number. I'm trying to get out of this mindset, though. My relative who met me here over Christmas (when I was just an inch taller) noticed the growth right away.
But I've got time constraints with work...Ill click for up to 4-5 days at home, but that's it. I think that'll put me very close to my goal. But safety first. I want to be able to walk/run/workout/have sex again normally someday soon.
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Just be sure to hit 173 cm.
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Just be sure to hit 173 cm.
Trust me...my posts may not seem like it, but I'm really giving this everything I've got. I would honestly be happy with anything from 172+, because that's close enough to 5'8". It all depends. I'm pushing as far as I safely can.
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Knee pain acted up today. Cycling hurts my left knee, though it usually goes away after a while. Right knee hurts if I sit with my legs dangling down for too long. So freaking annoying!
So happy to be going home in just under 2 weeks. I'll have to click for a few days at home, but I think I can pull it off as I'll remain wholly committed to all the PT/exercises.
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I am pulling for you, brother!
I scheduled my consultation with Dr. Paley for March 3rd.
Your diary provides consolation to me.
What do you do to occupy your free time, and escape boredom?
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I'm so fuc#ing sick of this knee pain. I feel like I'm the only person who does internal femurs who feels like their knees are on fire when biking. I have the motivation to bust my ass in PT and on my own, but this pain is really draining and worrying me. Now I'll have to slow clicks again and take 500 years to (maybe) reach my goal.
Right now, I honestly wish this surgery didn't exist. I'm so damn frustrated because I'm willing to work hard, but the pain keeps throwing up roadblocks. When will it be my turn for "I have no pain!" like I've heard so many other patients brag about? F#%k this sh*t.
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I'm so fuc#ing sick of this knee pain. I feel like I'm the only person who does internal femurs who feels like their knees are on fire when biking. I have the motivation to bust my ass in PT and on my own, but this pain is really draining and worrying me. Now I'll have to slow clicks again and take 500 years to (maybe) reach my goal.
Right now, I honestly wish this surgery didn't exist. I'm so damn frustrated because I'm willing to work hard, but the pain keeps throwing up roadblocks. When will it be my turn for "I have no pain!" like I've heard so many other patients brag about? F#%k this sh*t.
Didn't you say you had barely anypain until you hit 4CM or so? I bet most people can't say that.
Anyway I guess you should listen to your body and consider stopping if you have too much pain. It's not good to push the body too bad.
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Didn't you say you had barely anypain until you hit 4CM or so? I bet most people can't say that.
Anyway I guess you should listen to your body and consider stopping if you have too much pain. It's not good to push the body too bad.
I said that? I don't remember if I did. Lol. My right leg has always had pain on and off, and my left knee has been bad for a while.
I'm not stopping before 6cm. Guichet doesn't seemed worried and wants me to continue. I just don't want to slow clicks down because I want this nightmare over as soon as possible.
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I'm so fuc#ing sick of this knee pain. I feel like I'm the only person who does internal femurs who feels like their knees are on fire when biking. I have the motivation to bust my ass in PT and on my own, but this pain is really draining and worrying me. Now I'll have to slow clicks again and take 500 years to (maybe) reach my goal.
Right now, I honestly wish this surgery didn't exist. I'm so damn frustrated because I'm willing to work hard, but the pain keeps throwing up roadblocks. When will it be my turn for "I have no pain!" like I've heard so many other patients brag about? F#%k this sh*t.
Yeah you're going through some right now, but I would trade places with you in a heartbeat. I am also 167 and I am standing on the train right now on my way to work. Every guy near me is 6'1"+. Many of the girls are around 5'8". It sucks being short. 173 will move you to a new range closer to average height. Keep going brother! Try to stay positive and soon this nightmare will be a distant memory.
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Yeah you're going through some crap right now, but I would trade places with you in a heartbeat. I am also 167 and I am standing on the train right now on my way to work. Every guy near me is 6'1"+. Many of the girls are around 5'8". It sucks being short. 173 will move you to a new range closer to average height. Keep going brother! Try to stay positive and soon this nightmare will be a distant memory.
Thanks pal, I really appreciate this :) the pain worries me (as does my left shin numbness), but Dr G isn't wirried, so I'm trying not to be. It just sucks to be in pain when you're totally willing and show up to all your workouts, even on no sleep. I hate this...
I'm actually 166 according to Dr G and anothe Dr in Milan, but have been measured at 166.5/167 too. So I'll go with 166. I probably won't make it to 173, but anything 172+ will make me happy. I just want to be in the 5'8" range, even if a tad under.
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Thanks pal, I really appreciate this :) the pain worries me (as does my left shin numbness), but Dr G isn't wirried, so I'm trying not to be. It just sucks to be in pain when you're totally willing and show up to all your workouts, even on no sleep. I hate this...
I'm actually 166 according to Dr G and anothe Dr in Milan, but have been measured at 166.5/167 too. So I'll go with 166. I probably won't make it to 173, but anything 172+ will make me happy. I just want to be in the 5'8" range, even if a tad under.
Yeah I'm sure it's frustrating. Dr G seems like a caring and knowledgeable doctor. If he isn't concerned then you should be ok. Just keep doing as much pt and stretching as you can. You're 2/3 of the way there. You'll be done soon.
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Yeah I'm sure it's frustrating. Dr G seems like a caring and knowledgeable doctor. If he isn't concerned then you should be ok. Just keep doing as much pt and stretching as you can. You're 2/3 of the way there. You'll be done soon.
Thanks bro. I think I'm at between 5.2 and 5.5cm right now. Aside from Guichets click file, no one seems capable of giving me an accurate measure of my "real life" gain. I really wish I knew my true gain, because then I'd be more ok with slowing down to .667mm a day (I'm trying to suck it up and do .8mm a few days more).
I'm a little uneasy about clicking for a few days at home, but Dr G seems ok with it. I feel like he would say something if he objected. I've been away for 3 months, I'm just done. I've got a sick parent too. I need to get home, but still somehow finish this sh*t.
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Even if you're just at 5CM and you slow down to 0.5mm a day then that's only 20 more days.
20 days is nothing, compare it to the rest of your life when you'll be 6-7CM taller.
And then think that's it's probably less than 20 days remaining.
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Thanks bro. I think I'm at between 5.2 and 5.5cm right now. Aside from Guichets click file, no one seems capable of giving me an accurate measure of my "real life" gain. I really wish I knew my true gain, because then I'd be more ok with slowing down to .667mm a day (I'm trying to suck it up and do .8mm a few days more).
I'm a little uneasy about clicking for a few days at home, but Dr G seems ok with it. I feel like he would say something if he objected. I've been away for 3 months, I'm just done. I've got a sick parent too. I need to get home, but still somehow finish this sh*t.
Yeah having a sick parent makes it tougher. You're really close to being finished. Even if you slowed down to .5 a day that's only about 2 weeks. Could you travel right now or is it really difficult to walk?
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Yeah having a sick parent makes it tougher. You're really close to being finished. Even if you slowed down to .5 a day that's only about 2 weeks. Could you travel right now or is it really difficult to walk?
I've been on crutches since 2 weeks post op. It gets tiring, but it's fine. Just worried about getting stuff on a 7 hour flight!!
Yea I'll probably slow it down to .667 starting tomorrow, as much as I don't want to. I've been doing .8mm for about 2 weeks now.
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Even if you're just at 5CM and you slow down to 0.5mm a day then that's only 20 more days.
20 days is nothing, compare it to the rest of your life when you'll be 6-7CM taller.
And then think that's it's probably less than 20 days remaining.
Thanks Upp! I know I had clicks in the hospital and accidental ones (and some extra ones I stupidly threw in string early weeks), so I feel like I'm a bit above the 5.24cm his file has me at. I hope that's the case.
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I know it can feel like you need to get out of there. I had a huge company issue come up AND a move to a new location I was doing remotely and countless people hounding me to get back.... But remember this is the once in a life chance for this. You've sacrificed more money(and therefore time) into this than you will into anything but a house.
Go slow if you need to, I wish I could have gone slower for the final stretch myself.
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Thanks Upp! I know I had clicks in the hospital and accidental ones (and some extra ones I stupidly threw in string early weeks), so I feel like I'm a bit above the 5.24cm his file has me at. I hope that's the case.
Mate I personally HATE getting dissapointed, I always lowball my expectations so that everything either goes according to plan or I get pleasantly surprised.
Even if it takes a month that's a great deal considering you'll be taller for the rest of your life.
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Mate I personally HATE getting dissapointed, I always lowball my expectations so that everything either goes according to plan or I get pleasantly surprised.
Even if it takes a month that's a great deal considering you'll be taller for the rest of your life.
Nah I know you're right. But I don't have a months time left to click. Feb 14 is my cutoff bc I have to physically return to my office by second week of March. I think I can get my goal of 6.5cm by Feb 14
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Still having knee pain...but Dr. Guichet examined me today and seemed happy with how I'm doing. He said the knee pain will go away as we slow down and ultimately stop clicking. He also said I could go to 7cm...but 6.5cm will make me very happy. He also said he was fine with me clicking for a week at home. I know he'd object if he felt differently, so it gives me a nice level of comfort.
About 1cm to go...
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Only 1 cm left. That's not much. I would be tempted to go to 7cms to ensure that I actually get 6.5. Some people have discussed losing some height after consolidation. Do you feel nervous about clicking at home? How would you ensure that your legs are the same length? Would you get an X-ray and send it to dr G?
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Only 1 cm left. That's not much. I would be tempted to go to 7cms to ensure that I actually get 6.5. Some people have discussed losing some height after consolidation. Do you feel nervous about clicking at home? How would you ensure that your legs are the same length? Would you get an X-ray and send it to dr G?
Maybe I'll do a bit more. Technically 6.35cm is what I want, because that's exactly 2.5 inches, which has always been my goal. I think I'm a little above where the click file says I'm at. I wish there was a way to know my exact real life gain.
I'm not that nervous about it because he's not nervous about it. I know he'd say otherwise if he wasn't ok with it. And yea, I'll be keeping him updated via X-rays and pictures of my flexibility. I lost some flexibility on the SLR test so I have to try to work on that
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Will you have to go back to work on crutches? Do people know about your surgery?
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Will you have to go back to work on crutches? Do people know about your surgery?
I might. I have to go back second week of March, so that's why in stopping clicks between feb 11-14 to maximize my chances of walking by then. No one except m boss knows (we're very close). I'm telling the others it was a bow leg correction surgery (which actually isn't even a lie and I have backup for it). Guichet said they most likely won't notice the height bc I won't be walking fully straight. Plus I used to wear lifts and no one noticed that.
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I'm so fuc#ing sick of this knee pain. I feel like I'm the only person who does internal femurs who feels like their knees are on fire when biking. I have the motivation to bust my ass in PT and on my own, but this pain is really draining and worrying me. Now I'll have to slow clicks again and take 500 years to (maybe) reach my goal.
Right now, I honestly wish this surgery didn't exist. I'm so damn frustrated because I'm willing to work hard, but the pain keeps throwing up roadblocks. When will it be my turn for "I have no pain!" like I've heard so many other patients brag about? F#%k this sh*t.
so sick of all these also..... wannabegiant had no pain till 4 cm sigh... im like in discomfort and pain when i stop painkillers
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so sick of all these also..... wannabegiant had no pain till 4 cm sigh... im like in discomfort and pain when i stop painkillers
He was probably hopped up on painkillers.
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I'm somewhere between 6 and 6.3cm at the moment. So happy to be flying home tomorrow. I'll click for a week more max, then I'm done. 6.5cm was always my goal.
A word of caution to prospective LL'ers...don't be like me and only hear what you want to hear. Some patients may lengthen 100cm and have no pain. They are either extremely lucky, have super high pain tolerances, or work for Cirque du Soleil. I only focused on these diaries and hoped and convinced myself it wouldn't hurt. I went with an amazing doctor and team, but Lord have mercy...the pain has been excruciating. And it's gotten worse and worse...not better. After 5cm, it's been nightmarish pain every day. Extreme tightness, knee pain, muscle pain, sciatica (yup), painful visits to an osteopath to fix my crooked pelvis.
Somehow I'm still alive...but what I'm saying is...don't think you're Superman like I did. I don't care how great shape you're in...Prepare for the worst.
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I'm somewhere between 6 and 6.3cm at the moment. So happy to be flying home tomorrow. I'll click for a week more max, then I'm done. 6.5cm was always my goal.
A word of caution to prospective LL'ers...don't be like me and only hear what you want to hear. Some patients may lengthen 100cm and have no pain. They are either extremely lucky, have super high pain tolerances, or work for Cirque du Soleil. I only focused on these diaries and hoped and convinced myself it wouldn't hurt. I went with an amazing doctor and team, but Lord have mercy...the pain has been excruciating. And it's gotten worse and worse...not better. After 5cm, it's been nightmarish pain every day. Extreme tightness, knee pain, muscle pain, sciatica (yup), painful visits to an osteopath to fix my crooked pelvis.
Somehow I'm still alive...but what I'm saying is...don't think you're Superman like I did. I don't care how great shape you're in...Prepare for the worst.
Good post and good to hear from you again. Sorry it was rough but glad you made it through.
What is sciatia though?
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I'm somewhere between 6 and 6.3cm at the moment. So happy to be flying home tomorrow. I'll click for a week more max, then I'm done. 6.5cm was always my goal.
A word of caution to prospective LL'ers...don't be like me and only hear what you want to hear. Some patients may lengthen 100cm and have no pain. They are either extremely lucky, have super high pain tolerances, or work for Cirque du Soleil. I only focused on these diaries and hoped and convinced myself it wouldn't hurt. I went with an amazing doctor and team, but Lord have mercy...the pain has been excruciating. And it's gotten worse and worse...not better. After 5cm, it's been nightmarish pain every day. Extreme tightness, knee pain, muscle pain, sciatica (yup), painful visits to an osteopath to fix my crooked pelvis.
Somehow I'm still alive...but what I'm saying is...don't think you're Superman like I did. I don't care how great shape you're in...Prepare for the worst.
Wow, I wish you a good recovery man!
Why did you pelvis get crooked? Didn't they have an osteopath at the isokinetic centre?
You're one brave dude for continuing despite nerve pain.
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Im glad you're almost there, man. Hopefully the pain will be done.
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Any updates bro?
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Hey Manga - was just coming on here to update!
As of today, according to Dr. Guichet's click file...I am at 6.5cm. Although, given my pain, the x-rays, what the radiologists have said (they claimed I was at 6.2cm around February 3), I honestly feel like I lengthened closer to 7cm. But, to be conservative, we will say I did 6.5cm as of my last clicks this morning. And now - I am done, done, DONE with clicking/lengthening. The pain has increased the more I lengthened, and I've only been able to walk (on crutches) the past week, since almost everything else hurts (though Dr. G did say I could somewhat lighten the workload a bit). And clicking the last few days REALLY hurt my damn right leg. This puts me at right about 5'8", given Dr. Guichet's initial measurement of me in Milano and what I lengthened. So whatever...I'm done. 5'8" was always my goal. All I ever wanted was to be taller than most women (or as tall as them with their precious heels). Plus I still have duck-ass, so I'm loosing some visual height still. I know so many guys on here think 6ft is now short, they're shooting for 6'5", all I can say is...good luck.
Now it's time to start the true recovery process and hopefully remove the crutches soon-ish. I'm very nervous about starting to walk again. Extremely nervous. I hope I haven't done long-term damage to my body. This has been an excruciatingly painful process. I just hope it's mostly downhill from here. I pray to God that my legs forgive me and that I'll walk normally again someday and that the pain/extreme tightness will go away. I want this nightmare to end.
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Can you describe the pain? I personally suggest you taking a week or two break and then continue clicking to 7.0 or 7.5 cm. It's understood that it's hard, but you keep the height forever and the pain is going to disappear very shortly after aborting the lengthening.
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Can you describe the pain? I personally suggest you taking a week or two break and then continue clicking to 7.0 or 7.5 cm. It's understood that it's hard, but you keep the height forever and the pain is going to disappear very shortly after aborting the lengthening.
Absolutely not. I'm done now. I have to get back to work and my life. I don't have the leisure of running my own business or still being in college like many on here do. I already feel like I got closer to 7cm anyway. God knows how many months it'll be until I'm walking normally again. I feel so useless right now and I'm tired of it.
The pain is excruciating. Remember, Dr. G doesn't give ITB releases...so both of my ITB's (particularly, my right leg) are in a LOT of pain, especially when I have to move or put some weight on them. My ankles also hurt, my knee flexion is horrible, and I have nerve pain on my right leg that goes all the way down to my foot. And the pain meds do NOTHING for any of this. And it's gotten really bad the past 3 weeks. I would say, starting at the 2 inch mark, things got really really bad pain wise.
My body is telling me it's time to stop, so I'm just done. 6.5cm was always my goal, and I think I even did more than that, but 6.5 was always my goal. Another .5cm really isn't gonna make much of a difference anyway.
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Well congratulation on being finished, 6,5CM is my goal as well I think.
What does Guichet say about your pain, how does he think you'll recover?
-Also how was it staying in Milan, and how is Dr. Guichets facilities?
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Well congratulation on being finished, 6,5CM is my goal as well I think.
What does Guichet say about your pain, how does he think you'll recover?
-Also how was it staying in Milan, and how is Dr. Guichets facilities?
Thanks man. I think my gain of 6.5cm+ is pretty solid. I definitely feel taller and my family says I look a lot taller now. I've seen so many on here take so long to recover for gains over 6.5cm and it kinda freaks me out a bit.
He says my pain is normal and will go away. I was just one of the unlucky ones who had a lot of pain. It should start to improve now that clicking is done.
I did most of this in London but the facilities in both places (Milan and London) were excellent.
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Thanks man. I think my gain of 6.5cm+ is pretty solid. I definitely feel taller and my family says I look a lot taller now. I've seen so many on here take so long to recover for gains over 6.5cm and it kinda freaks me out a bit.
He says my pain is normal and will go away. I was just one of the unlucky ones who had a lot of pain. It should start to improve now that clicking is done.
I did most of this in London but the facilities in both places (Milan and London) were excellent.
Alright man that's good news, sounds like the worst is through. Please keep us updated on your recovery, I'm sure there are a lot of internal femur patients on here who can share what worked for them.
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Alright man that's good news, sounds like the worst is through. Please keep us updated on your recovery, I'm sure there are a lot of internal femur patients on here who can share what worked for them.
I'll definitely keep you guys posted on my recovery!
I actually did some extra clicks tonight. I have to physically return to my office second week of March, and I'd love to be off crutches by then (even if walking funny/stiffly). But I may do some light clicking for 2-3 more days max just for good measure. I noticed less pain today due to less clicks, but I do need to begin the true recovery process as soon as possible. But I'm inclined to believe I actually got around 6.7-6.8ish cm, but I'll be conservative and say 6.53 (with tonight's clicks lol).
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Keep in mind that, because of the natural angle of the femurs, you gain less height than what you click. It's the Pythagoroean theorem in the real world essentially, lol. Look up an X-ray of the legs to see what I mean about angulation of the femurs.
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Keep in mind that, because of the natural angle of the femurs, you gain less height than what you click. It's the Pythagoroean theorem in the real world essentially, lol. Look up an X-ray of the legs to see what I mean about angulation of the femurs.
Yeah I considered this. I was bow legged (albeit slightly) below the surgery, and now I'm not. I remember before the surgery I'd look in the mirror and try to see if "correcting" the bow legs would add some height, and it did seem like it added a tiny bit. So maybe correcting my bow legs might somewhat make up for it.
Regardless, I don't want to obsess about this too much. I did this to get to 5'8" or as close to it as possible. I feel taller and people are noticing. My dad noticed at just one inch taller at the start of the process. I have a lot of other things going for me...but for me, being 166cm (even despite my success with women and career) was just unacceptable. And now I've done the best I could do and worked my ass off to correct it. It's time to move on. I don't feel like a midget anymore.
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The total time to achieve your goal is 2 month.start from15 dec to 15 feb and complete 6.5 cm.Then please update in recovery phase. BEST OF LUCk
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Yellowspike have you asked guichet about the angle of your femurs, we recently had a topic about this where some people thought it could cause problems with your gait and put etra pressure on your knees.
Dr. Monegal said it's avoidable with a good surgeon, what does Guichet think?
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1760.0
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Yellowspike have you asked guichet about the angle of your femurs, we recently had a topic about this where some people thought it could cause problems with your gait and put etra pressure on your knees.
Dr. Monegal said it's avoidable with a good surgeon, what does Guichet think?
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1760.0
Dr. Guichet said my knee pain on my right knee was caused by a contracture (which he identified in my first consultation and said I probably shouldn't do more than 7cm max because of this), and the pain on my left knee was simply due to the muscles being stretched (and the pain on each knee did feel slightly different). He said as long as the knee cap itself isn't in pain (and it never was for me), it's not much to worry about, and will subside after clicking stops.
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5'8 isn't short in my eyes. It's only an inch from the average male height in the United States, and is extremely common (there just as many 5'8 men as 5'10.5 men in the United States). I know many, many 5'8 men myself and it does come off as a very normal height to the point that I usually notice many other things about a 5'8 person before noticing their height.
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5'8 isn't short in my eyes. It's only an inch from the average male height in the United States, and is extremely common (there just as many 5'8 men as 5'10.5 men in the United States). I know many, many 5'8 men myself and it does come off as a very normal height to the point that I usually notice many other things about a 5'8 person before noticing their height.
Agreed completely. That's why 5'8" was always my goal. To me, 5'8" is the start of where one appears "average," even though it's technically not (especially if you're lean and somewhat built like me). I still have some duck-ass, but I'm very happy even now at 5'8". I'll do some light clicking for a few moe days for good measure, but I'm happy now.
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Agreed completely. That's why 5'8" was always my goal. To me, 5'8" is the start of where one appears "average," even though it's technically not (especially if you're lean and somewhat built like me). I still have some duck-ass, but I'm very happy even now at 5'8". I'll do some light clicking for a few moe days for good measure, but I'm happy now.
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I was 5'8. it is actually a pretty good height especially if you wear lifts. I wanted to do LL bec I wanted to feel tall. You will definitely feel pretty average at 5'8. If at any point, you feel short, do this experiment.
Walk into a mall and eye-ball about 100 people. I think you will find that only 60-75 people are taller than you.
At 180 cm (5'11) in Singapore, only 10-15 guys out of 100 are taller than me. I wanted to do 182 cm because statistically only 10 (or less) out of 100 would be taller than me.
So, I think if your goal is average height, you've got it. People like us are insane cos' we do LL to feel tall ;)
Definitely, I wish u the best in your future endeavours. I started one week earlier than you but done only 4.5 cm on my tibias! I am doing very well but the femur lengthening rate you did was probably insane, was it?
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I was 5'8. it is actually a pretty good height especially if you wear lifts. I wanted to do LL bec I wanted to feel tall. You will definitely feel pretty average at 5'8. If at any point, you feel short, do this experiment.
Walk into a mall and eye-ball about 100 people. I think you will find that only 60-75 people are taller than you.
At 180 cm (5'11) in Singapore, only 10-15 guys out of 100 are taller than me. I wanted to do 182 cm because statistically only 10 (or less) out of 100 would be taller than me.
So, I think if your goal is average height, you've got it. People like us are insane cos' we do LL to feel tall ;)
Definitely, I wish u the best in your future endeavours. I started one week earlier than you but done only 4.5 cm on my tibias! I am doing very well but the femur lengthening rate you did was probably insane, was it?
Lol well 5'8" is still somewhat short...but to me, it's not so noticeably short to the point that you stand out like a 5'5" guy would (trust me, I would know). I don't care about being tall, I just didn't want to always be the shortest guy around. I can see why some of you do LL to actually be tall though.
Thank you, I wish you the best too :) My rate of lengthening slowed down every few weeks, but it was still fast enough that it was very painful for my body. Now that I'm home I've sorta slacked off on all the exercises, but I've been making sure to walk as much as I can. I think I'll stop clicks in a day or two because I want to start recovering. My gain is probably more like 6.8cm or something.
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Lol well 5'8" is still somewhat short...but to me, it's not so noticeably short to the point that you stand out like a 5'5" guy would (trust me, I would know). I don't care about being tall, I just didn't want to always be the shortest guy around. I can see why some of you do LL to actually be tall though.
Thank you, I wish you the best too :) My rate of lengthening slowed down every few weeks, but it was still fast enough that it was very painful for my body. Now that I'm home I've sorta slacked off on all the exercises, but I've been making sure to walk as much as I can. I think I'll stop clicks in a day or two because I want to start recovering. My gain is probably more like 6.8cm or something.
5'8 really isn't short. Even 5'7 is barely short, while 5'8 is pretty much the 35th percentile of height.
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yellowspike, could you ask guichet about loss of height after lengthening " x " centimetres? apparently some patients on other threads (disobedient, and Sweden) lost a few cms after femur lengthening? is it due to the angulation of the femur bone? willll this happen with tibia (ive never heard of this for tibia)
cos if it is compressive loss its usually about 3- 4mm.
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yellowspike, could you ask guichet about loss of height after lengthening " x " centimetres? apparently some patients on other threads (disobedient, and Sweden) lost a few cms after femur lengthening? is it due to the angulation of the femur bone? willll this happen with tibia (ive never heard of this for tibia)
cos if it is compressive loss its usually about 3- 4mm.
I can already answer this because Dr G already told me. He said in some (not all) patients, after lengthening, you lose 20mm in height that you gained due to compression. That's the number he told me. That's partially why I clicked to 6.65cm on his file (though I still think I gained a bit more). I don't really care because 20mm is very negligible my goal was 2.5 inches (6.35cm).
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When lengthening tibia, you can lose 2-5 mms. The amount of loss depends highly on the fixation stability, with externals pins often bend with time and compression happens (to some extent). In modified Ilizarov full-ring fixators with half-pins the risk is minimal due to 2 to 3 times higher fixation stabiltiy compared to classic Ilizarov full wires-only or to half-ring fixators. With internals stability should also be better, but I guess they also can bend under pressure to some extent (the nail itself or the screws).
The same can be said about femurs, expect that they're also usually angled at 10 degrees in men and 15 degrees in women. Let's say you lose 50% of the length gained in the femurs if it's angled at 45 degrees, at 10 degrees that would be if rounded 5 times less, so 10%. Out of 7 cms lengthened you should expect to lose 0.7 cm or 7mm. This is confirmed by the following study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22933497
In a normally aligned limb, intramedullary lengthening along the anatomical axis of the femur results in a lateral shift of the mechanical axis by approximately 1 mm for each 1 cm of lengthening.
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When lengthening tibia, you can lose 2-5 mms. The amount of loss depends highly on the fixation stability, with externals pins often bend with time and compression happens (to some extent). In modified Ilizarov full-ring fixators with half-pins the risk is minimal due to 2 to 3 times higher fixation stabiltiy compared to classic Ilizarov full wires-only or to half-ring fixators. With internals stability should also be better, but I guess they also can bend under pressure to some extent (the nail itself or the screws).
The same can be said about femurs, expect that they're also usually angled at 10 degrees in men and 15 degrees in women. Let's say you lose 50% of the length gained in the femurs if it's angled at 45 degrees, at 10 degrees that would be if rounded 5 times less, so 10%. Out of 7 cms lengthened you should expect to lose 0.7 cm or 7mm. This is confirmed by the following study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22933497
I'm a bit confused by this. So, if one has perfectly aligned limbs, they lose about 10% of what they lengthen due to the new angle of the femurs?
I was slightly bow legged before LL, and I'm not now. I remember looking in the mirror and "fixing" my bow legs, and it seemed to increase my height. So I'm wondering if this applies a bit less to me since I was previously bow legged.
Dr. Guichet himself said several times that we stand to lose around 20mm due to compression, and that it doesn't occur in all patients. So I'm inclined to believe him. I'll ask him about this link.
I also wonder if this applies less to weight bearing internal devices (like the Gnail) since they're stronger. You'd think they could withstand more and not compress as much.
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20 mm?? That seems like a very big amount to lose.
That is almost a third of what most of us have gained in the first place.
I would like to know as well if that includes using internal devices.
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20 mm?? That seems like a very big amount to lose.
That is almost a third of what most of us have gained in the first place.
I would like to know as well if that includes using internal devices.
I'm sorry, not 20mm. I meant .2cm. So if you lengthen 6.5cm, you get 6.3cm.
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Haha you had me really confused there. 20 mm would be substantial. I thought you must have mistyped.
You and I lengthened nearly the same because we are from the United States we wanted 2.5 inches. It will be interesting to see how we feel about our heights once we are back to our normal lives.
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Haha you had me really confused there. 20 mm would be substantial. I thought you must have mistyped.
You and I lengthened nearly the same because we are from the United States we wanted 2.5 inches. It will be interesting to see how we feel about our heights once we are back to our normal lives.
Well you had a taller starting height than I did, so I think you'll be set. I think I'll be happy too.
It's just frustrating that I don't know my true height/gain right now. My last X-rays on Feb 3 had me at a little over 6cm, but according to th click file, I didn't hit 6cm until almost 4 days later. So I'm wondering if I gained more than the 6.6cm the click file says I did. Plus, I still have duck ass, so I cant be properly measured yet. I just hope I'm 5'8" or very close to it. That was always my goal.
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thanks for the correction. so 2 mm due to compressive losses when dong femurs and probably more due to angulation of the femur??
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thanks for the correction. so 2 mm due to compressive losses when dong femurs and probably more due to angulation of the femur??
Dr. G said that we might loose 2mm due to nail compression (but apparently, after 6cm, this compression is very negligible, not sure why exactly), but he didn't say anything about the angle of femurs coming into play. So that I'm still not sure about.
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Dr. G said that we might loose 2mm due to nail compression (but apparently, after 6cm, this compression is very negligible, not sure why exactly), but he didn't say anything about the angle of femurs coming into play. So that I'm still not sure about.
Am sure it Is quite worrying to u...
Apo on the old forum lengthened and lost like at least >4-5 cm above the gains he claimed on the tibia + femur so I am quite worried...
Ie, even if radiographically you gained 6 cm it might only lead to increase in height of 4 cm? Which is what scares me. Would you ask Guichet? He does reply quite promptly to emails I hear.
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Am sure it Is quite worrying to u...
Apo on the old forum lengthened and lost like at least >4-5 cm above the gains he claimed on the tibia + femur so I am quite worried...
Ie, even if radiographically you gained 6 cm it might only lead to increase in height of 4 cm? Which is what scares me. Would you ask Guichet? He does reply quite promptly to emails I hear.
If it's a radiological discrepancy, I was told it was a 1cm loss. My xrays had me at 7.1cm on feb 3, but I was told I only actually gained 6.1cm at that point. But I'll ask Dr G eventually.
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If it's a radiological discrepancy, I was told it was a 1cm loss. My xrays had me at 7.1cm on feb 3, but I was told I only actually gained 6.1cm at that point. But I'll ask Dr G eventually.
How much did you end up gaining, then?
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Measure your height in cm, not in mm. A few mm +/- makes no real difference.
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How much did you end up gaining, then?
I believe I got an actual gain of 6.5cm, but then again, with all this talk on femur angles, who knows?
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That's way I recommend lengthening a little extra, just to be safe in the end.
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That's way I recommend lengthening a little extra, just to be safe in the end.
Well I think I did. The X-rays add 1cm, so according to X-rays, I'm at like 7.5cm+. Dr G's click file has me at 6.61cm, but I know I had some clicks it's not including (hospital, accidental and extra clicks I threw in), so I think my net gain is close to 6.5cm. I saw a friend yesterday who used to be my same height/a tad taller, and I was looking down on him. I've achieved a noticeable gain even if I don't know the exact number. I'll do a handful more clicks but I really want to stop because I need to get back to my normal way of life.
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Well I think I did. The X-rays add 1cm, so according to X-rays, I'm at like 7.5cm+. Dr G's click file has me at 6.61cm, but I know I had some clicks it's not including (hospital, accidental and extra clicks I threw in), so I think my net gain is close to 6.5cm. I saw a friend yesterday who used to be my same height/a tad taller, and I was looking down on him. I've achieved a noticeable gain even if I don't know the exact number. I'll do a handful more clicks but I really want to stop because I need to get back to my normal way of life.
what do you mean the XR add 1 cm? It is pretty disturbingin that case..... you mean X-rays which were read and analysed by Guichet to be 7.5??
XRR cannot be read to scale, and we need to compare with other landmarks (eg for ex fix we compare to parts of the frame).
Did you get a reading of your radiograph by Dr Guichet or an X-ray guy? Or was it just based on the scale on the XR?
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what do you mean the XR add 1 cm? It is pretty disturbingin that case..... you mean X-rays which were read and analysed by Guichet to be 7.5??
XRR cannot be read to scale, and we need to compare with other landmarks (eg for ex fix we compare to parts of the frame).
Did you get a reading of your radiograph by Dr Guichet or an X-ray guy? Or was it just based on the scale on the XR?
No the X-rays were examined by another doctor and the radiologist using some computer program. But Dr G said for me to follow the click file, which was always 1CM less than what the radiologist claimed the X-rays said. Very confusing/frustrating, but obviously I go with Dr G.
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No the X-rays were examined by another doctor and the radiologist using some computer program. But Dr G said for me to follow the click file, which was always 1CM less than what the radiologist claimed the X-rays said. Very confusing/frustrating, but obviously I go with Dr G.
This is so confusing. Why would the click file be more accurate than X-rays?? I mean, I would trust Dr G but what is the reason? Could you ask him? Just wondering, Im sure he has a good reason for it.... Im quite concerned now. Because my X-rays say 4cm when I last took them and I thought it was what I was gonna get :(
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5'8 isn't short in my eyes. It's only an inch from the average male height in the United States
Statistics are based on the records and I'm sure nurses will round up the height (unless it's something to do with LL, disabilities, etc). I think 5'8" is probably the exact average height. I know the statistic in the UK is 5'10" and there is no way that is true.
Are you in London? Not Milan?
Where does Guichet stay?
I've been wondering this too, he mentioned London which has got me excited because I live in London but also confused because I thought it was all in Milan.
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Do we have a choice in the location of the surgery? Spending 2+ months in Milan sounds fantastic (excruciating pain notwithstanding). The food is great, the weather is great, and it's the fashion capital of the world so once I'm taller I can buy lots of pants I wouldn't have been able to pull off before ;D. It's also very close to Florence and Venice (though maybe going to Venice as a cripple doesn't sound like the best idea...).
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Do we have a choice in the location of the surgery? Spending 2+ months in Milan sounds fantastic (excruciating pain notwithstanding). The food is great, the weather is great, and it's the fashion capital of the world so once I'm taller I can buy lots of pants I wouldn't have been able to pull off before ;D. It's also very close to Florence and Venice (though maybe going to Venice as a cripple doesn't sound like the best idea...).
language problems??
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language problems??
I took a few years of Italian in high school. I'm horrible at speaking and writing Italian (lol) but I can read and understand it surprisingly well.
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Hi Yellowspike
How's the walking now? How long have you been using the crutches?
I'm getting nervous as I'm close to my procedure with Dr Guichet
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Hi Yellowspike
How's the walking now? How long have you been using the crutches?
I'm getting nervous as I'm close to my procedure with Dr Guichet
Hey man! I've been on crutches since about 2 weeks post-op...so since early January. I get around on crutches just fine, including up and downstairs. Now that I just finished clicking yesterday (I decided to push myself a little further to 6.75cm), I'm hoping it's not a million years until I can start to get rid of the crutches (and the residual pain).
Don't be nervous. Dr. Guichet is awesome. Yeah, you'll have a few rough days after the surgery, but then it's mostly manageable. I'm not sure what your body type and flexibility are like, but for me, the bad pain didn't really start until around the 5cm mark. That last 1.75cm was a war for me. It may not be at all for you. If it weren't for work/time constraints and nerve pain (the worst pain EVER), I might have pushed on to 7cm+...but I'm VERY happy with my gain, and I'm ready to start recovering now, for real.
If there's one piece of advice I can gave prospective LL'ers (especially ones that go with Dr. Guichet)...GIVE YOUR ALL FOR PHYSICAL THERAPY AS MUCH AS YOU CAN FROM DAY ONE! As the weeks go on, and you lengthen more and more, and your flexibility decrease and the pain increases...you won't be able to give as much. So trust me...the harder you work early on (I worked hard, but could have done a bit more in terms of maintaining flexibility, in retrospect), the better you'll be at the end of your lengthening.
Best of luck to you and I will follow your story! Send me a PM if you'd like, I'm wondering if I've already met you lol. I will keep my diary updated as I start to (hopefully) remove the crutches within the next few days/weeks. So happy to FINALLY be done (truly, this time) with clicking.
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This is so confusing. Why would the click file be more accurate than X-rays?? I mean, I would trust Dr G but what is the reason? Could you ask him? Just wondering, Im sure he has a good reason for it.... Im quite concerned now. Because my X-rays say 4cm when I last took them and I thought it was what I was gonna get :(
Don't worry about this too much. I think the 1cm discrepancy I experienced had to do with the program the radiologists in my case used to measure my gain. In my case, they were always estimating 1cm ahead of the click file, which with Dr. Guichet, is gospel (not the radiologist estimates). He insists that the click file (so long as you keep track of all your clicks from day one) is the most accurate measure of your true gain (in my case, 6.75cm).
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I don't know what it is. Maybe it's being home (even though it's been two weeks) and being crippled. Maybe it's that I finished clicking to 6.75cm, and now I'm not "growing" anymore (and semi-wondering if I shoulda did more despite the excruciating pain I was in). Maybe I'm scared to return to my office job in a few weeks (though I'll start working from home this week). But man, I am like...super depressed.
I think I'm overwhelmed because I have SO much that I want to do, but I just can't do it because I'm still on these f#cking crutches. I want to get back to the gym (I need to get my ass back), I want to be dating/hooking up with girls (I miss sex big time), I want to get a new job so I can be earning more money to recoup what I spent on this (especially since I got my master's degree going on two years this summer - hope that's not an issue when I start to look this spring), I gotta do my taxes, file a million insurance claims for all the x-rays/tests I did throughout LL (they'll reimburse that, but not the surgery itself)....I'm just really overwhelmed.
I want my life back. I'm tired of the pain...I'm tired of not being able to bend my knees. I'm tired of my muscles being tight as boulders. I'm tired of having piriformis syndrome and not being able to do anything about it without clicking accidentally...I'm tired of having to do all these exercises (though I've been doing them less and focusing mainly on walking with crutches, biking when I can, and stretching).
I hate what LL did to me (except make me not a midget). I want this all to end.
Ok...end of my rant...lol. I just have no one else to really talk to about this. I have to be strong for my family since a parent is sick so I can't vent much to them.
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im sorry to hear all this... its just a long process. well at least 1) u did internals, so u don't have frames for that long. im gonna have frames till December 2) u did with a good doc, so thing shd go for the better eventually 3) you reached close to your target height and 4) you are the hardworking kind, I can tell, so u shd have a good recovery
everything has its flipside.
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im sorry to hear all this... its just a long process. well at least 1) u did internals, so u don't have frames for that long. im gonna have frames till December 2) u did with a good doc, so thing shd go for the better eventually 3) you reached close to your target height and 4) you are the hardworking kind, I can tell, so u shd have a good recovery
everything has its flipside.
I appreciate this very much. Thank you.
I am a hardworking person...but I'm really tired of working so hard. As I said, I'm doing less (especially now that I'll be working from home starting mid this week), but I'm still making sure I get out every day to walk on my crutches to help with bone ossification. I'm just tired of being crippled.
Dr. Guichet is an excellent surgeon indeed, and he has been very reassuring to me that all my issues will go away with time (pain, muscle tightness, etc.). I'm just worried and somewhat jealous that some people are able to do so much and get 8cm with no pain or side effects, and although my goal was always 6.5-7cm (and I got right in the middle of that at 6.75), I would have gone for a bit more if things were different. But safety first.
When I stand up now and put my legs together, my right leg has a hard time being fully straightened, and this bothers me. I think it's a combination of piriformis syndrome (which can be fixed) and muscle tightness, but it still worries me.
I was just venting because (as we all know), LL is such a damn hard and sucky ass process.
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hey man, its just a bad day for you , its normal when you are in pain and recovering, in a few time you will be walking and doing all those things that you want to do with your new height and happy with your new life.
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hey man, its just a bad day for you , its normal when you are in pain and recovering, in a few time you will be walking and doing all those things that you want to do with your new height and happy with your new life.
Thanks bro. I hope so. It just seems sorta impossible that I'll recover from all this, in a way.
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Thanks bro. I hope so. It just seems sorta impossible that I'll recover from all this, in a way.
only give it time bro
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only give it time bro
Thanks KirP1!
I'm also very slightly annoyed at stopping at 6.75cm...but it's made a HUGE difference. I just get angry/jealous at all the people on here who do more (and they're already taller than me and/or didn't need LL to begin with, in my opinion), but I keep trying to remind myself that I've had a lot of pain, and 5'8" (which was always my goal, and I got it) isn't bad at all. I just know that I would never do a second LL, and I don't want any regrets. I don't think another half inch is the end of the world, I'm just very hard on myself and always want the best for myself. But as I said earlier...safety first. The last few clicks were really starting to hurt, I've had bad knee pain, numbness...a lot of reasons to stop, and my gain is pretty solid and pretty much my goal from day one.
People on here also talk about femurs not gaining all the height you gain, but I kinda feel like I may be an exception somewhat. My femurs/legs looks almost perfectly straight when I look in the mirror standing up, and I was bow-legged before the surgery. I kinda tower over my dad now, who used to have a half-inch on me. So I guess I shouldn't be ambivalent about stopping now...
Man I'm just a mess of PMS-like emotions today. LOL :o
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yellow , im now 165 approx, and i have been always thinking that 172 is the point where all this discrimination that we have suffered for our height stops, so you will be fine now, yeah maybe you could have done 1cm more, but 1 cm isnt really noticeable, you will look the same
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yellow , im now 165 approx, and i have been always thinking that 172 is the point where all this discrimination that we have suffered for our height stops, so you will be fine now, yeah maybe you could have done 1cm more, but 1 cm isnt really noticeable, you will look the same
Yeah my thoughts exactly. 1cm is less than half an inch. I've always said 171/172 is where most height discrimination for men ends (even if you're not getting the stuck-up bitches who only date 6'2" and up, who wants to marry them anyway?). So I'm just a tad under 173 now...that's fine!
Are you gonna do LL? I think even if you get 6cm (though I'm sure you'll get more) and get to 171, I think anything over 170/5'7" is perfectly fine (as long as you have other things going for you, which I'm sure you do).
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yes, im going to do it, hope this year , i want to be 172 but maybe i will be a Little under that because if i do tibias i dont think i will go for more than 6,5cm
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yes, im going to do it, hope this year , i want to be 172 but maybe i will be a Little under that because if i do tibias i dont think i will go for more than 6,5cm
You're definitely doing tibias?
I did femurs because of the shorter recovery time and because my femurs were disproportionally short for my body. I have to say...my after LL proportions (tibia to femur, and legs to torso) look awesome. Once I'm walking normally and I take care of the scars, you'd never know I did LL. Even moreso once I regain my muscle mass.
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Thanks KirP1!
I'm also very slightly annoyed at stopping at 6.75cm...but it's made a HUGE difference. I just get angry/jealous at all the people on here who do more (and they're already taller than me and/or didn't need LL to begin with, in my opinion), but I keep trying to remind myself that I've had a lot of pain, and 5'8" (which was always my goal, and I got it) isn't bad at all. I just know that I would never do a second LL, and I don't want any regrets. I don't think another half inch is the end of the world, I'm just very hard on myself and always want the best for myself. But as I said earlier...safety first. The last few clicks were really starting to hurt, I've had bad knee pain, numbness...a lot of reasons to stop, and my gain is pretty solid and pretty much my goal from day one.
People on here also talk about femurs not gaining all the height you gain, but I kinda feel like I may be an exception somewhat. My femurs/legs looks almost perfectly straight when I look in the mirror standing up, and I was bow-legged before the surgery. I kinda tower over my dad now, who used to have a half-inch on me. So I guess I shouldn't be ambivalent about stopping now...
Man I'm just a mess of PMS-like emotions today. LOL :o
hey bro, if 1 cm is all ur after, try yoga.. I grew 1 cm with yoga and this ebook called "dynamic height increase". The height has remained permanent ever since. yoga really helps.
you can also (in addition, or in the alternative) try glucosamine 750 mg in two divided doses daily. I gained another 0.5 cm with that. a study has shown that most people grew 0.5 cm in the spine with glucosamine., its also good for ur joints yeah, so I would reco taking it. (I am still taking it). it takes about 2 weeks to 8 weeks to see full results.
yup, I was 171.5 night height, but after glucosamine and yoga I became 173 night height (for a few years already)
if you are lazy to do all those, 1 cm is not much. look at a ruler :D
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Yeah my thoughts exactly. 1cm is less than half an inch. I've always said 171/172 is where most height discrimination for men ends (even if you're not getting the stuck-up bitches who only date 6'2" and up, who wants to marry them anyway?). So I'm just a tad under 173 now...that's fine!
Are you gonna do LL? I think even if you get 6cm (though I'm sure you'll get more) and get to 171, I think anything over 170/5'7" is perfectly fine (as long as you have other things going for you, which I'm sure you do).
I've been living a good life at 173 cm (night height) and lifts. I just got annoyed with having to remove my shoes.
I am also contemplating to stop my tibia at 6-7 cm instead of 8 cm because I heard athletic function might decrease....
1-2 cm is not much. more than 2 cm is noticeable.
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hey bro, if 1 cm is all ur after, try yoga.. I grew 1 cm with yoga and this ebook called "dynamic height increase". The height has remained permanent ever since. yoga really helps.
you can also (in addition, or in the alternative) try glucosamine 750 mg in two divided doses daily. I gained another 0.5 cm with that. a study has shown that most people grew 0.5 cm in the spine with glucosamine., its also good for ur joints yeah, so I would reco taking it. (I am still taking it). it takes about 2 weeks to 8 weeks to see full results.
yup, I was 171.5 night height, but after glucosamine and yoga I became 173 night height (for a few years already)
if you are lazy to do all those, 1 cm is not much. look at a ruler :D
haha! Actually yoga is on my list, and maybe I will try gluco as well! I think I'm around 167 in the morning, and 166 in the evening (Dr. G and another doctor in Milan measured me at 166 at night, so I'll go with that). Another 1cm (though barely noticeable) would be welcome, but I'm just around 173 now, and I'm perfectly fine with that!
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hey bro, if 1 cm is all ur after, try yoga.. I grew 1 cm with yoga and this ebook called "dynamic height increase". The height has remained permanent ever since. yoga really helps.
you can also (in addition, or in the alternative) try glucosamine 750 mg in two divided doses daily. I gained another 0.5 cm with that. a study has shown that most people grew 0.5 cm in the spine with glucosamine., its also good for ur joints yeah, so I would reco taking it. (I am still taking it). it takes about 2 weeks to 8 weeks to see full results.
yup, I was 171.5 night height, but after glucosamine and yoga I became 173 night height (for a few years already)
if you are lazy to do all those, 1 cm is not much. look at a ruler :D
That's so great, every CM gained is one you won't have to lenghten. You almost got 2CM, and in the spine no less.
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That's so great, every CM gained is one you won't have to lenghten. You almost got 2CM, and in the spine no less.
Yea I think I may try all this once I'm fully recovered. Another cm or so would be icing on the cake for me.
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Can't sleep. Knee pain, back pain, ITB pain, hip pain, muscles tight all over...I just hate LL so much. I wish it didn't exist or that I never found out about it. Or that height didn't fking matter so God damned much. Or that waking up to take a piss in the middle of the night didn't involve crutches and having to be so careful. I feel incompetent and so unattractive right now (I hate not having an ass big time).
I just don't see how all of my problems will ever go away or how I'll ever walk normally again. It just seems...impossible. I hate my life right now.
Man, I really suck today.
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Can't sleep. Knee pain, back pain, ITB pain, hip pain, muscles tight all over...I just hate LL so much. I wish it didn't exist or that I never found out about it. Or that height didn't fking matter so God damned much. Or that waking up to take a piss in the middle of the night didn't involve crutches and having to be so careful. I feel incompetent and so unattractive right now (I hate not having an ass big time).
I just don't see how all of my problems will ever go away or how I'll ever walk normally again. It just seems...impossible. I hate my life right now.
Man, I really suck today.
Why you have fluctuated emotion?Hope you doing well asap
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Can't sleep. Knee pain, back pain, ITB pain, hip pain, muscles tight all over...I just hate LL so much. I wish it didn't exist or that I never found out about it. Or that height didn't fking matter so God damned much. Or that waking up to take a piss in the middle of the night didn't involve crutches and having to be so careful. I feel incompetent and so unattractive right now (I hate not having an ass big time).
I just don't see how all of my problems will ever go away or how I'll ever walk normally again. It just seems...impossible. I hate my life right now.
Man, I really suck today.
I pee-ed in Ziploc bags so I didn't have to walk with walkers with excruciating pain (due to the stiffness of the joints, that developed at night) (it is very tiring at night, and by the time you are done u're awake). Hope that was helpful. In Russian clinic they used pee bottles. But there would be a pee smell so I used ziplock bags.
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Why you have fluctuated emotion?Hope you doing well asap
Its good you noticed this.
Yellowspike, did you get off any medication (esp narcotics, and muscle relaxants?). Cos' It might be withdrawals and rebound pain. You are done lengthening so it should be better and less pain, sleep should have improved too. UNLESS you are having withdrawals and rebound pain.
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its because you remember how your body used to be. and you remember how strong and powerfull it was.
all of u sudden you appreciate how awesome you were. and then you freak out, the fear creeps in. after you appreciate how great you were before you start to seriously contemplate what it is that you have done to yourself, then you start to worry about if it is or is not permanent.
worrying about weather pain/possible damage is or is not permanent changes after you seriously appreciate how great you were before. it changes your outlook.
this happened to me on a microcosm. I cant even imagine what yellow spike is going through. also its possible that he did not experience the same thing I experienced. I wonder if he will resonate and agree with what I have said. or if he will state it is a different feeling that he experienced.
don't worry yellow spike, your pain will go, don't let those fears creep up, it will take time, surround yourself with people who are positive, who believe In you, and who believe in your recovery. it will strengthen your resolve. always understand that your going to heal. you only did close to 6.5cm and with a good surgeon. you will be fine. always tell yourself this.
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its because you remember how your body used to be. and you remember how strong and powerfull it was.
all of u sudden you appreciate how awesome you were. and then you freak out, the fear creeps in. after you appreciate how great you were before you start to seriously contemplate what it is that you have done to yourself, then you start to worry about if it is or is not permanent.
worrying about weather pain/possible damage is or is not permanent changes after you seriously appreciate how great you were before. it changes your outlook.
this happened to me on a microcosm. I cant even imagine what yellow spike is going through. also its possible that he did not experience the same thing I experienced. I wonder if he will resonate and agree with what I have said. or if he will state it is a different feeling that he experienced.
don't worry yellow spike, your pain will go, don't let those fears creep up, it will take time, surround yourself with people who are positive, who believe In you, and who believe in your recovery. it will strengthen your resolve. always understand that your going to heal. you only did close to 6.5cm and with a good surgeon. you will be fine. always tell yourself this.
Yea this is exactly it. Combined with being annoyed that I had to stop at only 6.75cm. I wanted a little more, but my body was really fighting me. Nerve pain, numbness, extreme tightness...Dr. G said I could go to 7cm, but I was having too many issues to keep going. Guess I'll get the rest of it from ItsMyLifes methods (yoga and gluco).
I have a very, very hard time believing that I'll recover. I have so many issues...it just seems impossible. Until I recover (meaning I can do everything I used to do at least 80-90% as before), I think I'm gonna be feeling horrible and regret doing LL.
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Yea this is exactly it. Combined with being annoyed that I had to stop at only 6.75cm. I wanted a little more, but my body was really fighting me. Nerve pain, numbness, extreme tightness...Dr. G said I could go to 7cm, but I was having too many issues to keep going. Guess I'll get the rest of it from ItsMyLifes methods (yoga and gluco).
I have a very, very hard time believing that I'll recover. I have so many issues...it just seems impossible. Until I recover (meaning I can do everything I used to do at least 80-90% as before), I think I'm gonna be feeling horrible and regret doing LL.
Then get started on your recovery as fast as possible, and don't quit until you've made it.
What is a LL patient supposed to do to recover anyway, just keep stretching?
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Then get started on your recovery as fast as possible, and don't quit until you've made it.
What is a LL patient supposed to do to recover anyway, just keep stretching?
And walking. Yep, it just sorta happens gradually.
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Then get started on your recovery as fast as possible, and don't quit until you've made it.
What is a LL patient supposed to do to recover anyway, just keep stretching?
I know, and that's exactly what I've been doing. Stretching, biking, and walking on crutches/weightbearing as much as I can to stimulate bone growth. I'm getting new x-rays taken this week, so I guess we'll see how I'm doing.
I'm mostly happy with 6.75cm. It's a VERY noticeable gain for me, and I think since it corrected my bowlegs, I may have gotten like another .5cm of visual height (people on here say you minus a bit of what you lengthen for femurs due to the angle of them, yet my femurs look almost perfectly straight, so I don't know). And it was in line with my original range. I just know that I'm never doing this again, and I wanted no regrets. I think I won't have any regrets once I've recovered. I think it's wise not to risk permanent issues for another .5-1cm, when that's not really noticeable anyway.
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I know, and that's exactly what I've been doing. Stretching, biking, and walking on crutches/weightbearing as much as I can to stimulate bone growth. I'm getting new x-rays taken this week, so I guess we'll see how I'm doing.
I'm mostly happy with 6.75cm. It's a VERY noticeable gain for me, and I think since it corrected my bowlegs, I may have gotten like another .5cm of visual height (people on here say you minus a bit of what you lengthen for femurs due to the angle of them, yet my femurs look almost perfectly straight, so I don't know). And it was in line with my original range. I just know that I'm never doing this again, and I wanted no regrets. I think I won't have any regrets once I've recovered. I think it's wise not to risk permanent issues for another .5-1cm, when that's not really noticeable anyway.
Are you that you havent got any discrepency from ll
My ll will start in July with Guichet
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Are you that you havent got any discrepency from ll
My ll will start in July with Guichet
Looking forward to your diary, I am also interested in hiring DR. Guichet.
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Looking forward to your diary, I am also interested in hiring DR. Guichet.
Make no mistake...Dr. Guichet is an amazing surgeon, and I believe a great person in general. My latest few posts have NOTHING to do with him or his craft. I'm just frustrated and VERY antsy. Patience has never been one of my virtues. LL has taught me that I need to work on that.
But Dr. G is awesome :)
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I'm not sure where you at but keep in mind... Month 1 post op I could barely lift a leg with help when lying on my side, 3 months just sitting flying home hurt badly, 4 months workouts began and continued to now where I am doing almost full leg workouts and (poorly) jogging after 8 CM. You go from a total shell of yourself to normal pretty fast.
Everyone I lengthened with seems to have recovered even better than me too, when I saw them at their worst, and despairing with my own eyes. Unless something has gone wrong and you are an outlier, I think it is normal to go from feeling broken(since you are) to normal quite soon. You should be very comfortable a couple weeks after stopping, with legs feeling almost normal after 2-3 months. And that is estimations using 8 CM, for you I would imagine better.
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I'm not sure where you at but keep in mind... Month 1 post op I could barely lift a leg with help when lying on my side, 3 months just sitting flying home hurt badly, 4 months workouts began and continued to now where I am doing almost full leg workouts and (poorly) jogging after 8 CM. You go from a total shell of yourself to normal pretty fast.
Everyone I lengthened with seems to have recovered even better than me too, when I saw them at their worst, and despairing with my own eyes. Unless something has gone wrong and you are an outlier, I think it is normal to go from feeling broken(since you are) to normal quite soon. You should be very comfortable a couple weeks after stopping, with legs feeling almost normal after 2-3 months. And that is estimations using 8 CM, for you I would imagine better.
Thanks for the support pal. I appreciate it. I've followed your story as well, and given how athletic I know you are, I'm surprised recovery has taken you so long, even for 8cm (just over 1cm than what I lengthened). But you seem to be doing great, and you're back to your player ways with all your girls hehe (though, you never really stopped - I give you props). I have a lot I want to accomplish, and while I'm young, I'm not getting any younger. I want to get a better job (I'm paid pretty well, but underpaid for my qualifications), be dating/hooking up with girls again, back to the gym to get my ass back...lol. Today I did the bike for 30 minutes and walked a lot outside today. And I didn't feel winded at all. I also took my first full-standing shower (without sitting at all) since the surgery. So I guess I'm getting there. I'm trying to weight-bear as much as possible to help myself heal as soon as possible.
At this point, I'm just dying to walk unaided again, even if funnily. My next x-rays are on Saturday, just over a week since I finished clicking to 6.75+cm (not counting hospital clicks and extra clicks I threw in and didn't keep track of). I'm going to ask the radiologist if they can measure my gain, but Dr. Guichet insists his file is the most accurate. I think I gained closer to 7cm than I may realize, because I remember, even when subtracting the 1cm that he said the radiologist was overestimating, I was a few days ahead of the click file.
I just hope my bone ossification is better than the last x-rays, because while there was a definite bone bridge, it wasn't that great overall. But I was still clicking at a faster rate at my last x-rays (now almost a month ago next week).
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You are past the worst part, and once you start walking unaided and improve from there I think it will become a memory pretty quickly.
Are you noticing a serious change in your height with what you lengthened?
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You are past the worst part, and once you start walking unaided and improve from there I think it will become a memory pretty quickly.
Are you noticing a serious change in your height with what you lengthened?
Thanks man, I sure hope so.
I am definitely noticing a serious change in my height, absolutely. My dad, boss, and another friend of mine are all my former height. I've seen them all since my surgery, and while it may not look it to someone on the outside looking at us, I feel like I tower over them. Like, I can almost see entirely over their heads. It's nuts. When I "walk" down the street (still with fairly significant duckass), I find that I'm as tall or just a little shorter than most men that I come across. I definitely didn't feel that way before the surgery. I never planned on going past 7cm, so 25mm (maybe even less) is undetectable I would say.
Overall, I'm happy with my gain. I still have a lot of pain right now, so I think stopping was the right idea, especially given how after 6cm recovery time really starts to climb.
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Im surprised you have so much pain, that should pretty much be gone a few weeks after, and only really present during extenuating circumstances.
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Im surprised you have so much pain, that should pretty much be gone a few weeks after, and only really present during extenuating circumstances.
Well, it's only mostly when I do certain movements. And I just stopped clicking officially less than a week ago. I didn't expect the pain to begin to subside until a bit after clicking. I have hip pain (due to one of the screws) on my right hip, which is probably the worst at this point, and both of my hamstrings/ITBs hurt a bit when I do certain movements.
Another thing that I've considered with my gain...I was moderately bowlegged before LL. With my feet together, my knees were pretty wide apart, though not enough impact my life in any way. My legs are like perfectly straight now. I think this may have given me a half cm/few mm as bonus, because I explicitly remember "manually correcting" my bowlegs in front of the mirror before the surgery, and it seemed to slightly increase my visual height. So there's that too.
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I'm feeling extremely ambivalent about continuing to click for a bit more or not. Right now, I'm at 6.75cm+ (I'm pretty sure I'm over that, because it doesn't count for practice clicks the first 2 days in the hospital, plus some extra clicks I threw in early on before the pain set in around 5cm) according to the click file, which I'm lead to believe is gospel (per Dr. Guichet). 7cm (37 clicks away) seems really far, and my main issue now is time. I'm working from home, but need to get back to the office hopefully by March 16th, and I had really wanted to be walking unaided by then. If I have to click for close to another week (I won't be able to handle more than 7 clicks or .5mm per day given my current pain), this may not be possible. Maybe I settle for in between and go to 6.85cm? I realize that we are talking about millimeters now, and I probably sound like an idiot. The difference between 6.75 and 7cm is 1/10th of an inch (undetectable). I had never planned on going over 7cm, and I still don't. 7cm was always the absolute limit I wanted to lengthen.
I guess all this talk about femur angles taking away some of what you lengthen has upset me (I didn't discover this until a few days ago, and really wish I hadn't, as much as this forum has been an asset to me). I really want to be 5'8"...that is all. And I have fairly significant duckass still, so my standing height still can't be properly measured. I just don't want to have any regrets...but now I feel like I'm falling victim to the numbers game. And the fact of the matter is, I'm running out of time with my work and also have fairly significant pain/issues (knee pain, ITB pain, hip pain - nothing excruciating, but bad sometimes).
Height neurosis is the absolute worst...I just want to fully put this behind me after I recover with no regrets. I've worked too hard not to have closure, as stupid and petty as all of this may sound.
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In my opinion,this is a psychological issue. Which either needs psychological and/or psychiatric solutions OR the physical attainment of your target. Even if you physically reach your target, or exceed it, there is a chance that it is a "moving target", ie you might revise your target upwards to 5'10, etc. So a psychological/psychiatric solution is (probably, but its your life) more acceptable. Ie, accept your height as-is, whatever the outcome is, because you have done your best and within your constrains.
On top of all this, all this has the bearing of withdrawal symptoms from pharmaceuticals, very familiar. Note the sudden (which coincides with cold turkey date) mood changes and depressed feelings (almost manic-depressive). The solution is to restart the pharmaceuticals at maintenance doses and taper off.
I've been reading your posts for some time and it might be advantageous to see a doctor or counsellor if you feel morbid impairment of your life at this point of time.
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In my opinion,this is a psychological issue. Which either needs psychological and/or psychiatric solutions OR the physical attainment of your target. Even if you physically reach your target, or exceed it, there is a chance that it is a "moving target", ie you might revise your target upwards to 5'10, etc. So a psychological/psychiatric solution is (probably, but its your life) more acceptable. Ie, accept your height as-is, whatever the outcome is, because you have done your best and within your constrains.
On top of all this, all this has the bearing of withdrawal symptoms from pharmaceuticals, very familiar. Note the sudden (which coincides with cold turkey date) mood changes and depressed feelings (almost manic-depressive). The solution is to restart the pharmaceuticals at maintenance doses and taper off.
I've been reading your posts for some time and it might be advantageous to see a doctor or counsellor if you feel morbid impairment of your life at this point of time.
Nah, it's not really like that, although I can see how my recent mood swings may say otherwise. I have anticipated doing LL for a very long time, and finally did it, and just want zero regrets. I have worked too hard, gone through too much pain, and spent too much money not to have complete closure. I'm realistic...as a guy that started in the 5'5" range (and was still successful in my career and with women), 5'8" was all I ever wanted. Anything above that, and my proportions would slowly start to look weird. So 5'8" remains my hard goal. Even if I did 7cm and I was still a pinch under 5'8", that's fine because I would never go beyond 7cm for recovery reasons. 7cm would be the point I reached where I could say "I really did all that I could," if that makes sense.
My mood swings recently have been a combination of antsy-ness (wanting to get back to my life and start dating again, get a new job, etc) and now ambivalence regarding continuing to click or not (which I blame learning about the femur angle thing on). Because according to the click file, per Dr. Guichet (and another doctor who both measured me in the evening), I am now 5'8". But this femur angle thing has just got me second-guessing myself.
If someone could confirm (which I know isn't possible) that I'm 5'8", I'd be 100% comfortable with stopping clicking.
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Have you considered CT Scans? My doctor thinks it is a good way to confirm. You could also stand up straight as you can and get measured by a stadiometer. The other way I confirmed my height was to invite a friend over (he was 175) and compare my height vis-à-vis him.
Whatever, have you ruled out withdrawals? What medicines did you stop taking?
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Have you considered CT Scans? My doctor thinks it is a good way to confirm. You could also stand up straight as you can and get measured by a stadiometer. The other way I confirmed my height was to invite a friend over (he was 175) and compare my height vis-à-vis him.
Whatever, have you ruled out withdrawals? What medicines did you stop taking?
I don't think it's withdrawals. I was on low doses of tramadol and a very low dose of Lyrica, but it's been over a week since I've taken them. I just take ibuprofen now for pain. Could those cause withdrawal mood swings? Lyrica I heard could, but I was on a very low dose (just taking 25mg once at night per day).
Well, I guess I could invite someone over who is 5'8" but that means they have to know their exact height too, and I'd feel weird doing that. Whatever. I think right now I'm going to try and go to 6.85cm...because that's almost the same thing as 7cm. Maybe I'll see how I feel when I get there. Because the difference between 6.85cm and 7cm is .05 inches (not that the current difference of .1 inch I'm at is even noticeable, lol).
I'm just ambivalent and torn. I'm not crazy. I will NEVER do a second LL...I will never have the time or money to do so, so this is IT for me. And while I'm dying to get back to my life and recover, I just want to have zero regrets.
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I don't think it's withdrawals. I was on low doses of tramadol and a very low dose of Lyrica, but it's been over a week since I've taken them. I just take ibuprofen now for pain. Could those cause withdrawal mood swings? Lyrica I heard could, but I was on a very low dose (just taking 25mg once at night per day).
Well, I guess I could invite someone over who is 5'8" but that means they have to know their exact height too, and I'd feel weird doing that. Whatever. I think right now I'm going to try and go to 6.85cm...because that's almost the same thing as 7cm. Maybe I'll see how I feel when I get there. Because the difference between 6.85cm and 7cm is .05 inches (not that the current difference of .1 inch I'm at is even noticeable, lol).
I'm just ambivalent and torn. I'm not crazy. I will NEVER do a second LL...I will never have the time or money to do so, so this is IT for me. And while I'm dying to get back to my life and recover, I just want to have zero regrets.
I don't think 25 mg lyrica is clinically significant. How much tramadol did you take? tramadol is not known as a very addictive drug but it DOES have withdrawal if you stop it. I took 150mg-200mg a day and when I stop it cold turkey 2 days ago I feel weird (and a different, more anxious mental state.. so I take codeine 30 mg twice a day to feel better). If I were you, I would continue to take 50 mg per day for the next week or so.
Just to stabilise your emotions. The mind is a very scary thing. A lot of things.. they are in your mind. And seriously? 1 mm or 2mm isn't any difference.. 5 mm might be.
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I don't think 25 mg lyrica is clinically significant. How much tramadol did you take? tramadol is not known as a very addictive drug but it DOES have withdrawal if you stop it. I took 150mg-200mg a day and when I stop it cold turkey 2 days ago I feel weird (and a different, more anxious mental state.. so I take codeine 30 mg twice a day to feel better). If I were you, I would continue to take 50 mg per day for the next week or so.
Just to stabilise your emotions. The mind is a very scary thing. A lot of things.. they are in your mind. And seriously? 1 mm or 2mm isn't any difference.. 5 mm might be.
Well tramadol I was only taking 100mg intermittently. I have co-codamol with codeine, so maybe I'll take that for a few days. I have no more tramadol or Lyrica.
I know...there's really no difference at all between 6.75cm and 7cm. I guess I'm also an anal person and very hard on myself. 7cm was the top of my range. I'd care less if it weren't for the new knowledge of femur angles throwing off your actual gain in height. Because then I'd know for certain that I'm at 5'8" now. The only thing I wonder for myself is that, since I corrected my bowlegs (which were mild to moderate before LL), if that maybe "cancelled out" any loss the femur angles would result in (if that makes any sense).
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Well tramadol I was only taking 100mg intermittently. I have co-codamol with codeine, so maybe I'll take that for a few days. I have no more tramadol or Lyrica.
I know...there's really no difference at all between 6.75cm and 7cm. I guess I'm also an anal person and very hard on myself. 7cm was the top of my range. I'd care less if it weren't for the new knowledge of femur angles throwing off your actual gain in height. Because then I'd know for certain that I'm at 5'8" now. The only thing I wonder for myself is that, since I corrected my bowlegs (which were mild to moderate before LL), if that maybe "cancelled out" any loss the femur angles would result in (if that makes any sense).
I understand your points. And agree with the bolded parts.
I used to fret over the 0.5 mm I got from glucosamine. It is clinically measurable. But I think any gain below 5 mm, is not really measurable (let alone noticeable). Due to our spinal fluctuations, any gain less than 5 mm is subject to measurement error.
I think you should take some codeine and slowly taper that off to zero. Take it when you feel kinda anxious and notice how it makes you feel better about your situation. Or just take it when you are in pain.
All this narcotic crap f-es up your mind.
If you want a proper measurement, see an orthopaedic in your home country and evaluate the options. Either standing x-rays or CT scans and stadiometer measurement. At least it puts your mind at eaese
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I understand your points. And agree with the bolded parts.
I used to fret over the 0.5 mm I got from glucosamine. It is clinically measurable. But I think any gain below 5 mm, is not really measurable (let alone noticeable). Due to our spinal fluctuations, any gain less than 5 mm is subject to measurement error.
I think you should take some codeine and slowly taper that off to zero. Take it when you feel kinda anxious and notice how it makes you feel better about your situation. Or just take it when you are in pain.
All this narcotic crap f-es up your mind.
If you want a proper measurement, see an orthopaedic in your home country and evaluate the options. Either standing x-rays or CT scans and stadiometer measurement. At least it puts your mind at eaese
Thanks a lot man. I appreciate your points and advice.
I think what's really bugged me is the new info about femur angles taking away some of what you actually gain. I thought I was finally at the finish line to my goal, but gaining that new information upset me and makd me wonder if I should continue on a bit.
At this point, I'm leaning towards going to 6.85cm...10mm is essentially nothing, but I'm just bargaining with myself and trying to get as close to 7cm as possible. Even those 25mm (the difference between where I'm at now and 7cm) isn't noticeable, I figured I'd split it down the middle, and then see how I feel. I could get there in 2-3 days no problem.
I think I'll take some co-codamol with codeine, do some biking, and then sleep on it, lol
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Thanks a lot man. I appreciate your points and advice.
I think what's really bugged me is the new info about femur angles taking away some of what you actually gain. I thought I was finally at the finish line to my goal, but gaining that new information upset me and makd me wonder if I should continue on a bit.
At this point, I'm leaning towards going to 6.85cm...10mm is essentially nothing, but I'm just bargaining with myself and trying to get as close to 7cm as possible. Even those 25mm (the difference between where I'm at now and 7cm) isn't noticeable, I figured I'd split it down the middle, and then see how I feel. I could get there in 2-3 days no problem.
I think I'll take some co-codamol with codeine, do some biking, and then sleep on it, lol
you know, if I were you, I was worried about you losing 2 cm or so, as Sweden did. That crap is scary. But you should read diaries to see how common it is and get Guichet's confirmation that 2 cm loss is not likely or doesn't happen in his hands.
You said 10 mm. That's wrong. 10 mm is 1 cm. You meant 1 mm. Also, 6.85 cm vs 7 cm is only 2.5 mm and not 25 mm (25 mm = 2.5 cm).
All your feelings are probably due to:
1. As someone suggested here, you are going to (instead of being in flux) have a FIXED height soon.
2. The femur angle and bone compression discussions
3. The uncertainty of measurements (even if there is no femur or compression loss)
4. Your parent not feeling well, starting work soon = environmental factors
5. stopping or reducing your exercise (note: exercise =feel good hormones)
6. withdrawals
7. All this discussion you see about height here, all the distorted minds influencing each other.
Its just a confluence of factors making you feel like crap right now.
When I cold-turkey off Lyrica from ~200 mg to 0 mg, I got anxiety, so anxious it felt like the end of the world, and had physical symptoms too. But I always knew for a fact:
1. I can seek help/treatment. I mean I can do nailing, or seek psychiatric care/counselling.
2. There is light at the end of the tunnel (I just need to slowly taper the insane amount of Lyrica which was prescribed to me)
3. I will be fine, it is just a temporary situation
Just know that hope never dies ,and at the end of this you will be fine,.
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you know, if I were you, I was worried about you losing 2 cm or so, as Sweden did. That crap is scary. But you should read diaries to see how common it is and get Guichet's confirmation that 2 cm loss is not likely or doesn't happen in his hands.
You said 10 mm. That's wrong. 10 mm is 1 cm. You meant 1 mm. Also, 6.85 cm vs 7 cm is only 2.5 mm and not 25 mm (25 mm = 2.5 cm).
All your feelings are probably due to:
1. As someone suggested here, you are going to (instead of being in flux) have a FIXED height soon.
2. The femur angle and bone compression discussions
3. The uncertainty of measurements (even if there is no femur or compression loss)
4. Your parent not feeling well, starting work soon = environmental factors
5. stopping or reducing your exercise (note: exercise =feel good hormones)
6. withdrawals
7. All this discussion you see about height here, all the distorted minds influencing each other.
Its just a confluence of factors making you feel like crap right now.
When I cold-turkey off Lyrica from ~200 mg to 0 mg, I got anxiety, so anxious it felt like the end of the world, and had physical symptoms too. But I always knew for a fact:
1. I can seek help/treatment. I mean I can do nailing, or seek psychiatric care/counselling.
2. There is light at the end of the tunnel (I just need to slowly taper the insane amount of Lyrica which was prescribed to me)
3. I will be fine, it is just a temporary situation
Just know that hope never dies ,and at the end of this you will be fine,.
Fantastic post. I think you hit it on the nose. Thank you very much man.
Regardless...I just want to someday soon be at peace with my height. That's all I want now.
All Dr G said to me is that some patients lose 2mm due to compression, but he also said after 6cm, you don't lose anything. I don't know why, but that's what he said.
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I heard my doctor say something like 3 mm or so (for tibia, regarding compression after taking off frames). So I guess its not that much. Don't worry about it. I think for you it is less, cos' you have a rod inside.
Also just to correct myself, 6.85 vs 7 cm is a difference of 0.15 cm, or 1.5 mm, that's insanely small (look at a ruler to see how small it is, it is tinier than an ant!)
Wish you all the best of luck, buddy! Hope to see you moving on in life (as I will, too). I am just really really bored mentally now. Trying to keep myself occupied. No pain, good sleep, but... the mental aspect, is quite tiring... it has taken a toll on both of us, I am sure.
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I heard my doctor say something like 3 mm or so (for tibia, regarding compression after taking off frames). So I guess its not that much. Don't worry about it. I think for you it is less, cos' you have a rod inside.
Also just to correct myself, 6.85 vs 7 cm is a difference of 0.15 cm, or 1.5 mm, that's insanely small (look at a ruler to see how small it is, it is tinier than an ant!)
Wish you all the best of luck, buddy! Hope to see you moving on in life (as I will, too). I am just really really bored mentally now. Trying to keep myself occupied. No pain, good sleep, but... the mental aspect, is quite tiring... it has taken a toll on both of us, I am sure.
Yeah I think I'm going to stop at 6.85cm, because it's really so close to 7cm. Just 15 clicks away, so 2-3 more days. I just hope it doesn't set my recovery back too much, I can't see how it could. Figured I'd bargain with myself and split the oh-so-huge difference of 2.5mm lol
Yeah man I hope we can both put this behind us very soon!! Thanks again for your support. You got a friend here if you need one!
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No problem bro! Femur is always very tough. There was a Russian patient who commented her tibia pain was like 1/10 and femur was 9/10. (she did one femur and two tibias;one femur to correct 2 cm discrepancy)
Your diary is an immense eye-opener to the femur lengthening process. I might do with Dr G. Either that, or Russia. I have to research thoroughly and seek opinions from my local ortho.
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No problem bro! Femur is always very tough. There was a Russian patient who commented her tibia pain was like 1/10 and femur was 9/10. (she did one femur and two tibias;one femur to correct 2 cm discrepancy)
Your diary is an immense eye-opener to the femur lengthening process. I might do with Dr G. Either that, or Russia. I have to research thoroughly and seek opinions from my local ortho.
Dude, if your starting height is 173 and you're already on you way to 6cm+ from tibias, you don't need LL. I know, i know, it's all how we feel about ourselves and even a 7ft man can have height neurosis...but man...5'8" is epic for me...you weren't short ,and will not be short after doing your tibias!!! lol
I'm stopping either today at 6.8cm+ or MAYBE tomorrow for 6.85cm+ (not that it makes a difference). Starting to work has really instilled that I need to get back to my life and start recovering. I'm hoping my next x-rays are a least decent, since I've only been lengthening every few days, and very small amounts. I need to get clearance from Dr. G to start at least practicing to walk without crutches. My last x-rays were February 3...I'm getting them again I think this weekend or mid next week. Very scared and hoping my bone ossification has improved enough.
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Btw reason I wanna do femur is because many people here are saying to do femur+tibia. Spread the height between them. But my doctor has said that 8 cm in tibia is not a problem for athleticism. Being at 5 cm+ I have to make the call soon. I think I will let my body decide. If I can reach 7 cm without pain or soft tissue complication I will push for 8 cm. I think listening to your body was a good thing to do. But who knows? Maybe you had so much pain but recover better than other patients. Its so scary that nothing about LL is exact......
SO yeah I have to make that call: 8 cm tibias, or 6 cm tibia + 3 cm femur.... and 3 cm femur is not worth paying that insane amount to Guichet, come to think of it. (I cant do more: proportions)
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Dude, if your starting height is 173 and you're already on you way to 6cm+ from tibias, you don't need LL. I know, i know, it's all how we feel about ourselves and even a 7ft man can have height neurosis...but man...5'8" is epic for me...you weren't short ,and will not be short after doing your tibias!!! lol
I'm stopping either today at 6.8cm+ or MAYBE tomorrow for 6.85cm+ (not that it makes a difference). Starting to work has really instilled that I need to get back to my life and start recovering. I'm hoping my next x-rays are a least decent, since I've only been lengthening every few days, and very small amounts. I need to get clearance from Dr. G to start at least practicing to walk without crutches. My last x-rays were February 3...I'm getting them again I think this weekend or mid next week. Very scared and hoping my bone ossification has improved enough.
There was 1-2 weeks ago I watched a documentary (Channel News Asia) where they asked Singapore women. A lot of them said taller than 170 cm is enough.That was when I was slightly questioning my sanity for doing this. I mean, I was already above average in my country. But I do this... not for girls.. I just wanna feel tall in my life. Its a different target. (feeling tall vs feeling average).
This forum has a distorted perception about height. But I think there MUST BE some truth to at least some benefit vis-à-vis work and dating. I mean, look at the height of American presidents. Even in Singapore our prime ministers were about 180+ to 190.
I don't really see a problem going to work with crutches. I mean. come on. Honestly? I don't think you will walk properly by the time you go to walk. Maybe with at least a light limp. Its not that much of a difference since you have to explain to them that perhaps you injured your leg in an accident.
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There was 1-2 weeks ago I watched a documentary (Channel News Asia) where they asked Singapore women. A lot of them said taller than 170 cm is enough.That was when I was slightly questioning my sanity for doing this. I mean, I was already above average in my country. But I do this... not for girls.. I just wanna feel tall in my life. Its a different target. (feeling tall vs feeling average).
This forum has a distorted perception about height. But I think there MUST BE some truth to at least some benefit vis-à-vis work and dating. I mean, look at the height of American presidents. Even in Singapore our prime ministers were about 180+ to 190.
I don't really see a problem going to work with crutches. I mean. come on. Honestly? I don't think you will walk properly by the time you go to walk. Maybe with at least a light limp. Its not that much of a difference since you have to explain to them that perhaps you injured your leg in an accident.
I think if I were 5'7" minimum, I wouldn't have done LL. Because I'd be 5'8" with sneakers, and would just say I'm 5'8". I used to say I was 5'7" when I was closer 5'5", and I usually got away with it. I think it's under 5'7" (although 5'7" is borderline) when things start getting really bad and you really do deal with height discrimination.
Well, I don't care if I'm walking with a limp or swaying a bit. I just want to be at least walking, even if I have to still somewhat rely on the crutches. I already know the excuse that I'm telling everyone at work, I'm just scared they're going to notice the height increase. Because it IS very noticeable (which is what I wanted, though it's a mixed blessing in this case). My boss is in on this (he wants LL too), so he even said he'd wear elevator shoes for a few days so no one noticed that I'm now taller than him. Plus, since I've been away for over 3 months, I'm hoping people won't really remember exactly how tall I was (plus, I used to wear elevator shoes to work, so that buys me about a 1.5 inch increase they're already "used to.")
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YellowSpike
would it bother you if people notice you're taller?
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YellowSpike
would it bother you if people notice you're taller?
Well, I plan on looking for a new job soon, so it would only be a short-term issue I'd have to deal with. My firm has strict HR rules, so no one can just call me out. My firm's benefit plan actually even pays for the freaking sex change surgery! you'd think they'd pay for/condone LL! lol
It's not so much that it would be bother me (that WAS the idea why I did LL)...I'm just scared of how to explain it. I'm going to be telling everyone I had surgery to correct bow-legs, as I was having back issues for a long time. If the height issue is pressed, I would say the surgery gave me a slight height increase, as did improving my back issues. I'm going to try to be as vague as possible. And avoid mentioning height if I can.
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I think if I were 5'7" minimum, I wouldn't have done LL. Because I'd be 5'8" with sneakers, and would just say I'm 5'8". I used to say I was 5'7" when I was closer 5'5", and I usually got away with it. I think it's under 5'7" (although 5'7" is borderline) when things start getting really bad and you really do deal with height discrimination.
Well, I don't care if I'm walking with a limp or swaying a bit. I just want to be at least walking, even if I have to still somewhat rely on the crutches. I already know the excuse that I'm telling everyone at work, I'm just scared they're going to notice the height increase. Because it IS very noticeable (which is what I wanted, though it's a mixed blessing in this case). My boss is in on this (he wants LL too), so he even said he'd wear elevator shoes for a few days so no one noticed that I'm now taller than him. Plus, since I've been away for over 3 months, I'm hoping people won't really remember exactly how tall I was (plus, I used to wear elevator shoes to work, so that buys me about a 1.5 inch increase they're already "used to.")
Seems like a great plan together with the bow leg excuse.
I asked a friend this sensitive question. He is 165 cm and at 7 cm below average height (172 cm) he experiences no height discrimination. Contra, my friend at 161 cm claims he does. (It might be different attitude towards height in Asia; less judgemental than western countries)
So I agree with your statement. If the average height in America is 176 cm, then it stands to logic that around 169-170 there should be no discrimination.
I would think you need to be 173-174 at least to "feel" average in America. (2cm is not a big difference, in terms of the perception)
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Seems like a great plan together with the bow leg excuse.
I asked a friend this sensitive question. He is 165 cm and at 7 cm below average height (172 cm) he experiences no height discrimination. Contra, my friend at 161 cm claims he does. (It might be different attitude towards height in Asia; less judgemental than western countries)
So I agree with your statement. If the average height in America is 176 cm, then it stands to logic that around 169-170 there should be no discrimination.
I would think you need to be 173-174 at least to "feel" average in America. (2cm is not a big difference, in terms of the perception)
Yeah I'm hoping it all works out. Today is my last day for doing any clicks, because at this point, I really and truly need and want to focus on recovery. I just hope throwing in these few days of intermittent clicks doesn't set me back too much.
I'm probably very close to 173, so whatever. I think anything 172 and over is fine in America, even if borderline-ish. I didn't really experience height discrimination per se, but definitely took shots from people over the years. It was more hearing other people talk about other short men (some even taller than me) that got me very upset. I know I'll never be regarded as tall...I just wanted to blend in more, and I believe I will now.
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When do you start work?
I do not think throwing in additional clicks will impede your progress much. This is because consolidation is happening even when you are lengthening (I have quite a dense bone bridge... almost connected to the other end).
Good luck!
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When do you start work?
I do not think throwing in additional clicks will impede your progress much. This is because consolidation is happening even when you are lengthening (I have quite a dense bone bridge... almost connected to the other end).
Good luck!
Hope so bro! I took a few days off too, and I'm lengthening such small amounts (because I'm so damn anal, lol). I can't see how it would set me back much.
I'm working from home now, but hoping to be back in the office within 3ish or so weeks (preferably without crutches, but if I have to, I'll go in with crutches, whatever).
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For a considerable part of his lengthening, Apotheosis clicked under half a millimeter per day until his tibiae consolidated and had no soft tissue problems throughout his lengthening. He did 11CM on the tibiae alone that way and worked almost the whole time. If you do like 0.01 CM per day, or close to that, then your soft tissue recovery, and general recovery, shouldn't be affected much and you'll get 7CM eventually.
If not getting to 7CM is going to drive you crazy, and it looks like it will, the you might as well man up and go to 7CM, or your height neurosis will never be completely gone and you'll live life with some element of regret, something you can't settle for considering what you've sacrificed to get to this point.
Just be smart about how you get to 7CM. You've got months until complete consolidation anyways, so lengthen as slowly as possible in order to not affect your recovery. You've got at least a month until the clicking device stops working to lengthen a fraction of a centimeter. Just break it up into very, very small lengths each day and your soft tissue won't even detect the clicks.
Or, better yet, you could find a way to not be so worked up about a fraction of a centimeter, but that doesn't seem to be working out for you and it would suck to be regretful for the rest of your life.
Sorry if that came off as harsh. It was intended as a tough love post.
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Apotheosis clicked under half a millimeter per day until his tibiae consolidated and had no soft tissue problems throughout his lengthening. He did 11CM on the tibiae alone that way and worked almost the whole time. If you do like 0.01 CM per day, or close to that, then your soft tissue recovery, and general recovery, shouldn't be affected much and you'll get 7CM eventually.
If not getting to 7CM is going to drive you crazy, and it looks like it will, the you might as well man up and go to 7CM, or your height neurosis will never be completely gone and you'll live life with some element of regret, something you can't settle for considering what you've sacrificed to get to this point.
Just be smart about how you get to 7CM. You've got months until complete consolidation anyways so lengthen as slowly as possible in order to not affect your recovery.
Or, better yet, you could find a way to not be so worked up about a fraction of a centimeter, but that doesn't seem to be working out for you and it would suck to be regretful for the rest of your life.
Sorry if that came off as harsh. It was intended as a tough love post.
No, your post was EXACTLY what I needed. Thanks a lot bro. I'm ALMOST at peace with this. I think what really helped today was starting to work again, and having friends who I haven't heard from reach out to me. I feel like my life is calling me back. And I need to get back to it. I'm at 6.85cm+ right now. 1.5mm isn't visible, and I can always get it in the future (if it REALLY bothers me, and once I have a life again, I don't think it will) from yoga or (apparently) gluco supplements.
I'm stopping now, most likely. I really would like to be walking without crutches (even stiffly/funny) within the next 2-3 weeks. If I have to go back to the office on crutches, so be it, but I'd prefer not to.
Once again, thanks for the tough love post :)
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Would there be a noticeable difference in terms of recovery and biomechanics between lengthening 6 or 7Cm anyway?
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Would there be a noticeable difference in terms of recovery and biomechanics between lengthening 6 or 7Cm anyway?
Not between 6.85 and 7... There's no noticeable difference between these two amounts in any aspect, save for the psychological difference.
YellowSpike, I'm glad to hear that my post was well received. How was your experience going back to work three inches taller?
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Not between 6.85 and 7... There's no noticeable difference between these two amounts in any aspect, save for the psychological difference.
YellowSpike, I'm glad to hear that my post was well received. How was your experience going back to work three inches taller?
Haven't gone back into the office yet. Working from home for the next 2-3 weeks. I really want to get back in there as soon as possible. With my job, working from home isn't ideal and I feel like I need to be back there.
So I'm just gonna focus on recovery now in order to speed up to when I'm able to walk.
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Have lengthened around 6.9cm (click file says 6.86cm, but I know it's more because it's not counting some clicks we did in the hospital and some others that I know weren't tracked). Haven't clicked in the last day and a half because my left leg has quite a bit of pain with certain movements and when I weight bear on it (although it seems to go away after walking a lot). I think I'm going to stop here and focus on recovery. Dr. Guichet told me that patients generally gain a little more than what they click (because 15 clicks isn't EXACTLY 1mm), and based on what I understood of his response, the natural angle of our femurs has very little effect on total stature gain. If it weren't for my left leg pain and time constraints (needing to get back to my life), I'd possibly go on a bit more...but my body I think is really telling me it's time to stop. I don't want to risk any long-term damage moreso than I already have.
Had x-rays on Saturday and waiting to hear back from Dr. G his thoughts on them. The right leg seems to be healing better than the left leg. I'm going to start taking more supplements (in addition to my calcium supplements and multi-vitamins) to try and help them heal faster. I've also been making sure to get as much protein as I can. It's hard to walk a lot now since I'm working again (I have a home office), but I try to after work every night (despite the horrible weather we've been having here).
I only hope that I've reached my goal of 5'8"...if I did, I have no regrets whatsoever. I'm the kind of person who doesn't mind putting in the hard work...but can't stand not achieving my goals. I'm actually terrified to be measured ever again. I know it doesn't really make a difference in the long run if I'm a tiny fraction under...it's just the principle of the matter. Might sound crazy to others, but it's just the way I feel right now. Especially given all the pain, time and money I have invested in this process.
I think I will feel better about all of this once I'm at least "walking" (aka limping) again without crutches. Very nervous to actually return to the office.
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I'm feeling a lot better now. It's around 5:30PM where I live, and I was just measured 3 times...each time a bit over 5'8" (even as much as 5'8.5", but after that, it was more like 5'8.25"/5'8.15"). I stood against the wall barefoot (and still fairly significant duckass/curvature of my back), and a relative (who wants me to stop obsessing over this lol) and he measured me 3 times. I told him to be as conservative as possible and not to add anything (and to account for my thick head of my hair by using a flat book to mark the wall lol). And I'm happy that these measurements were taken in the evening after being hunched and sitting near my computer screen all day. I know that even these measurements may not be EXACT, and we have a range of heights...I may be 5'7.85" at 10PM, lol. But whatever....it's still so much better than where I was before LL.
So for me, this is closure on my height itself. Time to stop obsessing. Time to stop clicking (thank GOD). Time to start healing and getting on with my life. Now I honestly feel like I've realized an impossible dream...but I only hope and pray that I recover fully in due time :)
I have to do my part. Even though the weather blows where I live, and it's night, I'm going to a nice long walk tonight. Gotta get on dat weight-bearing time to get dem bones healed. lol
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Ñow you can walk unaided?
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Hey Yellow, do you mind posting pictures of your legs? scars, proportions, duck-ass, etc.
We'd love to see them.
Btw, I'm sure you'll recover great.
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Hey Yellow, do you mind posting pictures of your legs? scars, proportions, duck-ass, etc.
We'd love to see them.
Btw, I'm sure you'll recover great.
I'll try to post pictures at some point soon. I definitely still have a good amount of duck-ass, and the scars aren't bad. And I think my proportions are great (they look very similar to ShyShy, I'd say. He was a bit taller than me at 168 versus my 166, but I had a slightly taller sitting height than he did. He also did 7.5cm, I did around 7cm give or take).
Hope I recover great man. I really, really, REALLY want to get rid of these crutches already!
Ñow you can walk unaided?
Nope, not yet. Waiting to get feedback on my latest x-rays. I think my left leg is taking longer to heal. I also still have a good amount of pain on my left leg when I do certain movements.
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Anxiously awaiting feedback on my latest x-rays. Really hoping I get to start full weight-bearing soon.
My main concern right now (aside from starting to walk unaided again) is that my left leg has a lot of pain (I think it's nerve pain) when I do certain movements. It seems to get better after having walked a lot. But when I move it in certain ways or when I start to weight bear on it after sitting (or sit at the edge of the bed), it hurts a good amount. I hope this resolves with time.
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Your diary is a real success story, man. 5'5 to 5'8 is a huge change. That's going from legitimately short to average. I imagine people are really going to be looking at you differently, man.
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Your diary is a real success story, man. 5'5 to 5'8 is a huge change. That's going from legitimately short to average. I imagine people are really going to be looking at you differently, man.
I appreciate that man. Well, I won't consider this a success until I'm walking. But I'm very excited about being able to enjoy my new height.
I'm kinda bummed right now. Per my latest x-rays, healing is going in the right direction, albeit slowly. The only thing is that I took the x-rays on the day I stopped clicking, so I'm hoping the healing begins to progress a bit faster now that I'm not lengthening anymore. It also sucks because I know I have to walk a lot, but the weather where I live (snow/rain/ice) makes doing that risky in and of itself. So I'm not able to walk very much aside from around my house at this point. Still waiting for an official word on if I can even take a few steps here and there without crutches. I won't risk it until he confirms it absolutely.
I'm hoping my next set of X-rays in maybe 3 weeks or so are better. I'm going to really amp up my calorie intake (even though I'm really not that hungry) and take other supplements (protein shakes, L-Lysine, Strontium, Magnesium, etc.) that may help.
I knew the recovery phase was gonna blow, big time. I hate working from my home office too. I need to be back in the office, but safety first.
If any of the LL vets on here have any suggestions as to what I can do to help speed up the process, I'd love to hear them!
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Dr. Guichet said I can take a few steps around the house (flat floor) without crutches. I'm just terrified to do this, as the bones still have a few weeks until fusion. I actually may still wait another week or two before I try this. Put some more distance between end of clicks and walking (though I've seen diaries like ShyShy and met a few in Milano who were walking a bit unaided just days after clicking stopped).
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Congrats on your journey so far, good luck in the future.
I suggest a stationary bike for exercise, if you are already not using one. You might be able to find a used one online.
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Congrats on your journey so far, good luck in the future.
I suggest a stationary bike for exercise, if you are already not using one. You might be able to find a used one online.
Thanks bro. I'm just hoping recovery goes smoothly. I at least hope within a month I'm at least walking funnily/stiffly without crutches.
Yeah I've got one. I try to use it each day. I'm wondering if slowly upping the resistance will help with bone ossification? Maybe?
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Does resistance biking help gain back leg strength? Cos I imagine I could do it even now.
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Does resistance biking help gain back leg strength? Cos I imagine I could do it even now.
I think it does. As you up the resistance ,your legs are working harder. With the horrible weather, it may be my best option for now.
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I think it does. As you up the resistance ,your legs are working harder. With the horrible weather, it may be my best option for now.
Ah. Any idea if this is any good for tibia lengtheners?
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Ah. Any idea if this is any good for tibia lengtheners?
Good question. I don't think so, because I feel like I"m making more effort in my quads/hamstrings when I pedal to higher resistance. I do notice today that after biking for close to an hour yesterday, for the first time in a while, my left leg actually feels semi decent. The intense nerve pain seems to have been soothed by this. I also noticed this happening after walking for a while.
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Ugh...this horrible pain in my left leg's upper quad area (with certain movements) is killing me. I think it's soft tissue related, certainly feels like it. My right quad has similar pain, but not nearly as bad as my left. Funny how my right leg was my "evil" leg throughout 90% of the process, and then my legs just switched places around 2 weeks ago. It's all good...I'm not clicking anymore past the ~7cm I did...so I'll start to heal eventually.
I need to do something about this duckass too. I feel like it's robbing me of a bit of height. Too bad the stretches I know to fix it cause me pain. I'll just rely on walking a lot for now, and then stretch more intensely as the overall pain level (while not excruciating by any means) goes down.
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Sorry if I'm being daft, but how do I post pictures on here? I want to post pics of my duckass and see if people think it's robbing me of a bit of height (I think it is). I've never posted pis on here before, and I'm sure I'm going to feel like an idiot once someone explains it to me. Honest to God, I tried to do it on my own before asking lol
Dr. G saw the pics I want to post, and he said that I am most likely loosing a bit of height due to my current level of duckass.
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And here they are. Figured it out (raises the roof) 8)
Sorry for the sub-par quality. Have to maintain my privacy, and my only two mirrors aren't situated where I can get a close-up full body pic. In both pics, I'm standing as straight as I can.
(http://i61.tinypic.com/15s53x1.jpg)
(http://i60.tinypic.com/11w94c1.jpg)
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Yeah you probably lose a CM from that posture.
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Yeah you probably lose a CM from that posture.
Yeah that's what I'm thinking. When I took x-rays last week, I could actually very much feel that my lower back wasn't even touching the table when I attempted to lie flat. I have a memory foam mattress, so I sleep comfortably and don't notice how bad this is until I'm on a flat surface. Assuming that my duckass is hiding even at least .5cm, it makes me feel better at stopping around 6.9/7cm. Though since it's apparently a bit less than 15 clicks per mm, many patients have gained more height when Dr. G goes to retrieve the nails, and I'm wondering if I actually got a bit more than 7cm in the end. My femurs certainly look long as friggin hell (though my overall proportions are fine) when I sit off the edge of a couch or sit while taking a bath/shower, lol
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My femurs certainly look long as friggin hell (though my overall proportions are fine) when I sit off the edge of a couch or sit while taking a bath/shower, lol
Thanks for sharing these pictures with us. Could you post a picture of your legs and torso, but without your head in the frame? Or have someone take a picture of you and crop or blur your head out? I would be very interested to see what your femurs now look like relative to your torso and tibiae.
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Thanks for sharing these pictures with us. Could you post a picture of your legs and torso, but without your head in the frame? Or have someone take a picture of you and crop or blur your head out? I would be very interested to see what your femurs now look like relative to your torso and tibiae.
Yeah I will at some point. I could've taken the picture myself, but I recently had to have my bedroom rearranged due to some issues. Once I rearrange it back, I'll have full access to a full-length mirror.
Based on what you know of duckass, do you believe my current posture is hiding some height? I feel like it is, and Dr. G seems to think so too. Obviously not a huge amount, but maybe up to 1cm I'm thinking.
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Yeah I will at some point. I could've taken the picture myself, but I recently had to have my bedroom rearranged due to some issues. Once I rearrange it back, I'll have full access to a full-length mirror.
Based on what you know of duckass, do you believe my current posture is hiding some height? I feel like it is, and Dr. G seems to think so too. Obviously not a huge amount, but maybe up to 1cm I'm thinking.
Yea, you'll clearly gain a cm or so I think.
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Yea, you'll clearly gain a cm or so I think.
I sure hope so, even .5cm would make me very happy!
Too bad most of the stretches/exercises to actively fix duckass (aside from just walking) are kinda hard for me to do at the moment. I'll just focus on walking and cycling and some other easy stretches.
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With that amount of back bending, I'd say you'll gain another 1-2CM based on what Apotheosis claims to have gained after he corrected his duck ass from lengthening 10CM on the femurs.
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With that amount of back bending, I'd say you'll gain another 1-2CM based on what Apotheosis claims to have gained after he corrected his duck ass from lengthening 10CM on the femurs.
2cm sounds like a lot (almost an inch! Way too good to be true). I think .5-1cm is more like it. Funny thing is, the doctor at the isokinetic center (the day before I left to come home) said my duckass had improved a bit. It must've been damn terrible! I keep getting measured (in the evening) right around 5'8" (with pretty bad duckass as you can see)...so this makes me feel more confident that I definitely got my goal.
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i think that you could gain about 1cm.
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Does duckass cause you lower back pain?
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Does duckass cause you lower back pain?
thats for sure.
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Does duckass cause you lower back pain?
I think it's starting to take it's toll on my upper back, actually. I notice when using my crutches, I feel a bit of pain in my upper mid back as I push off with my triceps/shoulders/upper back. But it seems to come and go. But my lower back doesn't have any pain from this.
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Yellowspike, I think you should wait a while before you post pictures of how you look and videos of how you move. That duck posture doesn't give a clear view of your proportions anyway and we all know it's tough running and such so soon after lengthening.
Take your time and when you feel you've recovered decently, well, then post some videos like SHyshy did and upload a few pictures that show how proportionate you look. Just wear a mask or something to protect your identity, not that anyone here will bother to find out about you but it can still be uncomfortable to have your face on the internet.
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Yellowspike, I think you should wait a while before you post pictures of how you look and videos of how you move. That duck posture doesn't give a clear view of your proportions anyway and we all know it's tough running and such so soon after lengthening.
Take your time and when you feel you've recovered decently, well, then post some videos like SHyshy did and upload a few pictures that show how proportionate you look. Just wear a mask or something to protect your identity, not that anyone here will bother to find out about you but it can still be uncomfortable to have your face on the internet.
Well, I'm not concerned at all about my proportions, I think they look great. I just posted these pics now because I was curious to see what you guys thought about how much height my duckass may have been hiding. The general consensus seems to be about 1cm, which is what I was thinking.
But I have no problem post a frontal pic of me (cutting my head off) just to show legs/torso and tibia/femur proportions (duckass won't affect that).
I'm taking the longer path to "ShyShy" land lol. He was already walking without crutches at this point. Dr. G said I could walk around my apartment without crutches, but I'm choosing to wait a bit longer. I want to reduce any health risks and risk of compression loss (even though it's only like up to 2mm that we MIGHT lose) as much as possible. So maybe I try my first few steps this weekend (2 weeks after my last x-rays where Dr. G said I could walk around my house without crutches).
I'd love to eventually be like ShyShy in a few months, though he did lengthen a bit more than I did (he got 7.5cm). ShyShy was my personal LL idol and inspiration.
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by fixing your duckass, you will gain a good centimeter, maybe 1.5, but atleast 1
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by fixing your duckass, you will gain a good centimeter, maybe 1.5, but atleast 1
Sounds good to me, I hope I get at least 1cm, even .5cm will make me quite happy. Dr. G said that we sometimes lose up to 2mm due to compression (but not everyone does, and since it's a bit less than 15 clicks per 1mm, I have some "extra" to compensate anyway), so knowing that I still have some height hidden in my duckass makes care a lot less (I know it's not noticeable, but I worked too hard to lose anything, lol).
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I stopped clicking at somewhere between 6.85cm/6.9cm per the click file (though I think it's 6.9cm because I had a few clicks in the hospital during days 1 and 2). I was flirting with the idea of doing another 1mm. Yes...I am aware it's not visible and makes no absolutely no difference. I'm aware I'm being overly anal and unreasonable. I had to take a break this last (almost) week and a half because my soft tissue was really begging me to stop. I had a lot of pain at the end. So, at the time, I decided to respect my body.
I was thinking that doing another 1mm wouldn't affect my recovery time too much, but Dr. G told me today that I shouldn't click anymore because it could cause a fracture at this point. I'm getting x-rays taken this weekend (which will be 2 weeks from my last x-rays and when I stopped clicking) to know for sure. But I have to admit that I was a bit saddened to hear this. Maybe it's just because I'm at the point where I'm no longer in control? My height bothered me for so long, and I guess having temporary control over it made me feel better about myself (as does the new height, which is obvious to all I've seen so far). I also have felt the pain go down these last few days, which kinda re-invigorated me to push for a bit more.
No one has to tell me that the 1mm I'm stressed over is totally ridiculous. I'm fully aware of this. And curing my duckass would probably more than make up for it (not to mention the fact that Dr. G said most patients get more than they click, since it's a bit less than 15 clicks per 1mm), and I've already been measured at over 5'8" in the evening (with duckass) several times. I just wish I wasn't such a damn super-anal competitive perfectionist >:(
I'll chalk it up to my fear of going back to have a "fixed height" soon. And the fact that my final height, while very good and a huge improvement (and my goal from day 1), is still somewhat borderline. Not sure if anyone else on here has experienced this towards the end.
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What did Dr G say would fracture? Your entire femur bone? Has this happened to anyone before?
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What did Dr G say would fracture? Your entire femur bone? Has this happened to anyone before?
He said it could possibly fracture the new callus of between the femur bone segments (the new bone that's grown the length you've distracted). I was surprised to hear that he thinks this is already the case, as I thought it would be weeks until I was at risk for something like that. I thought full fusion of the bone bridge had to take place. So I'm gonna see what my new x-rays look like, hope to get them at some point this weekend.
The main reason I stopped clicking was because my left leg was in a ton of pain as I clicked. It was weird. The clicks themselves never hurt, but turning my leg into position hurt like hell. When I was sitting in the shower last night, I turned my left leg a bit as if to mimic the clicking motion (but had no intention of clicking), and the pain came back. So maybe my soft tissue is just done with it all.
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For those who did LL with a ratcheting device, did anyone ever experience bad pain as they did the click movements (but not from the click itself)? I don't really have that bad pain now per se, but when I mimic the clicking motion with my left leg (previously the leg that was super easy to click), there's a lot of pain from my lower quad (back of my leg) down to my ankle. I'm wondering if this is my soft tissues' way of saying "I'm done now, b*tch." My left calf is also partially numb (I know this will take a while to go away), whereas my right leg is not. I won't click until Dr. G gives me the go ahead, and I only want to throw in a few more for good measure. I may be stupidly anal, but I won't put my health on the line.
I'm also wondering how much I'd be set back from (slowly) doing another mm or so. I was told right after my x-rays a week and a half ago that I could walk around my house without crutches, but I decided to wait a bit. Would be nice to be walking (funnily) in around 3 weeks or so.
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For those who did LL with a ratcheting device, did anyone ever experience bad pain as they did the click movements (but not from the click itself)? I don't really have that bad pain now per se, but when I mimic the clicking motion with my left leg (previously the leg that was super easy to click), there's a lot of pain from my lower quad (back of my leg) down to my ankle. I'm wondering if this is my soft tissues' way of saying "I'm done now, b*tch." My left calf is also partially numb (I know this will take a while to go away), whereas my right leg is not. I won't click until Dr. G gives me the go ahead, and I only want to throw in a few more for good measure. I may be stupidly anal, but I won't put my health on the line.
I'm also wondering how much I'd be set back from (slowly) doing another mm or so. I was told right after my x-rays a week and a half ago that I could walk around my house without crutches, but I decided to wait a bit. Would be nice to be walking (funnily) in around 3 weeks or so.
I think the pain is so traumatic and your body is not used to the new length of your bone it's like when people have no legs and they feel pain. I think it's related to phantom limb pain you need to get a Ferrari and find an Italian girlfriend stat!
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I think the pain is so traumatic and your body is not used to the new length of your bone it's like when people have no legs and they feel pain. I think it's related to phantom limb pain you need to get a Ferrari and find an Italian girlfriend stat!
Haha! The funny thing is I tend to always go for girls with blonde hair and blue eyes (they're my kryptonite among women). My family says I need a nice Italian girl. I'm starting to think they're right.
If it wasn't for the pain in my left leg as I clicked, I may have done a bit more. But I promise all of you, this isn't me p*ssying out...this pain was REALLY bad. I can't really describe but like an intense shooting nerve pain down your leg, that even lingers for a while after you've done the click movement. My right leg starting having problems, but I was able to find a new method to click that one. But the left leg seems to have pain no matter what. And it makes sense, because it's only my left shin that has partial numbness. Maybe my left leg's soft tissue has just reached it's limit? I don't know.
It's all good though. With the extra height that the Gnail seems to give most patients (it's a bit less than 15 clicks per 1mm) and with the duckass correction, I should be fine and pretty much where I wanted to be regardless of throwing in extra clicks or not. I'm just a perfectionist...but I guess this is something different where we can only "play God" so much with our bodies. I just can't see myself every doing this again, pain/money/time/and proportion-wise.
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Interesting. Does the doctor tell you when you feel immense pain you should stop? Is that how you know you've reached your limit? BecAuse I figure the entire clicking process is a bit painful itself. How can you distinguish between the two pains?
Also I too am interested in lengthening 7cm to 7.5 cm, proportion wise what are the limits the doctor tells you can go so as to not look like a freak?
Fyi I'm presently 171cm hoping to do lengthening in my femur alone of 7.5cm to be 178.
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Interesting. Does the doctor tell you when you feel immense pain you should stop? Is that how you know you've reached your limit? BecAuse I figure the entire clicking process is a bit painful itself. How can you distinguish between the two pains?
Also I too am interested in lengthening 7cm to 7.5 cm, proportion wise what are the limits the doctor tells you can go so as to not look like a freak?
Fyi I'm presently 171cm hoping to do lengthening in my femur alone of 7.5cm to be 178.
I believe he will only tell you to stop clicking when your flexibility drops below a certain level. But I have to talk to him about this pain. It's potentially the worst pain I've had throughout this experience. I think I maybe lengthened more than I realized (I may be over 7cm), because my soft tissue is really rebelling at this point.
Proportions are all individual. At your consultation he will tell you about that (he'll measure your sitting height and femur/tibia ratio and such). Actually, maybe it's good that I stop now....not sure if it's because I've lost considerable muscle mass, but my femurs look so long!
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Do you think you would have had this problem if you used PRECISE II? Think it was the mechanics? Have you heard of others who were lengthening with you having this problem?
Most importantly does the dr say with time a problem like this will get better?
Has he seen it before?
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YellowSpike
Do you think you would have had this problem if you used PRECISE II? Think it was the mechanics? Have you heard of others who were lengthening with you having this problem?
Most importantly does the dr say with time a problem like this will get better?
Has he seen it before?
I think the pain would have been a little better with Precice, but I know several people who had bad pain with Precice after around 5cm. As you lengthen more, you push your soft tissue more. But the Gnail is a little tougher in this respect (maybe also because you get a bit more height than what you click, that may have something to do with it too). I know a guy who did Precice, and stopped at 5cm because his soft tissue just wouldn't allow for anymore.
And yes, he's confident it will get better, as am I. I'm just somewhat annoyed that it forced me to stop a tad early, even though I probably did get my goal. I'm just very paranoid given all that I've invested to this point.
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I don't think a 1mm will do ANY difference. Weighing the pros vs cons, I would not do that. Even if I have an NBA career, and will reach 6' at the end.
Six feet and six feet minus 1 mm is nothing. The same goes for 5'8 and 5'8 minus 1mm. I am cleared by my Dr to go for six feet but I think I will wanna stop a few mm shy of it. This process is just too long.
EVEN IF dr guichet says you wont fracture, X-rays are known not to be the most accurate things in the world (depends on contrast, exposure time, angulation, etc)
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I don't think a 1mm will do ANY difference. Weighing the pros vs cons, I would not do that. Even if I have an NBA career, and will reach 6' at the end.
Six feet and six feet minus 1 mm is nothing. The same goes for 5'8 and 5'8 minus 1mm. I am cleared by my Dr to go for six feet but I think I will wanna stop a few mm shy of it. This process is just too long.
EVEN IF dr guichet says you wont fracture, X-rays are known not to be the most accurate things in the world (depends on contrast, exposure time, angulation, etc)
Yeah you're probably right. I'm most likely not going to do more, even if he says it won't risk fracture. I listened to my body, it was really painful towards the end. I still have pain now, and I haven't clicked in a week and a half (though it's steadily improving). Given the fact that I was measured at just over 5'8" at night (still with my duckass), I'm pretty sure I got my goal. Dr. G says the Gnail ends up giving you a bit more height than what you click...so I probably did make it to 7cm+. Just hoping I don't lose any with compression. Anyway, no sense in getting caught up in the numbers game when it wont make a difference.
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medically, anything Is possible.
even if you click an extra 1 mm, and lose 5 mm due to compression, it makes no difference (dr guichet says unlikely cause it has rarely happened or in theory will not happen, there is still that risk)
1mm is...... thinner than the length of a small ant.
medically everything is a percentage risk. so nothing is impossible in medicine.
so many people died after a nail was inserted into femur (the critical care cases)
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medically, anything Is possible.
even if you click an extra 1 mm, and lose 5 mm due to compression, it makes no difference (dr guichet says unlikely cause it has rarely happened or in theory will not happen, there is still that risk)
1mm is...... thinner than the length of a small ant.
medically everything is a percentage risk. so nothing is impossible in medicine.
so many people died after a nail was inserted into femur (the critical care cases)
Dr. G said at most the nail might lose 2mm due to compression. And I still have to account for the fact that my duckass is hiding some height.
I've never heard of cases of people dying from internal femurs...that's scary if it's true.
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Dr. G said at most the nail might lose 2mm due to compression. And I still have to account for the fact that my duckass is hiding some height.
I've never heard of cases of people dying from internal femurs...that's scary if it's true.
Yup but nothing is fixed in stone. theres even a risk the device fails, and you thought you clicked 1 mm but you did not. So.....I think, just forget it and focus on healing lol.
in intensive care medicine, doctors are taught to stabilise trauma victims with external fixators and ONLY when their condition is stable, then they undergo nailing. the reason for this is embolism and I think dr monegal has said about embolism risk. it is rare, but it is there.... dr paley actually reduces IM pressure by venting the marrow.
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Yup but nothing is fixed in stone. theres even a risk the device fails, and you thought you clicked 1 mm but you did not. So.....I think, just forget it and focus on healing lol.
in intensive care medicine, doctors are taught to stabilise trauma victims with external fixators and ONLY when their condition is stable, then they undergo nailing. the reason for this is embolism and I think dr monegal has said about embolism risk. it is rare, but it is there.... dr paley actually reduces IM pressure by venting the marrow.
Well, I believe that's more the case with electronic nails (Precice, Fitbone). While ratcheting devices are more painful for soft tissue (I know from first-hand experience), my understanding is that the clicks are pretty accurate. The only way will be for me to heal, fix my duckass, and then get measured. LOL.
Yea I was aware of embolism risk before I did LL...scary stuff!
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I don't like the idea of reaming my bones. I like the idea of them being strong and solid with minimal trauma. that is in part why im doing externals.
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YellowStone what is the tallest length you have seen anyone in Dr g's care go up to?
Do you know if they have any lasting pain or regret the procedure?
How many cm LL is safe according to Dr. G?
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YellowStone what is the tallest length you have seen anyone in Dr g's care go up to?
Do you know if they have any lasting pain or regret the procedure?
How many cm LL is safe according to Dr. G?
I met one patient who somehow managed to do 9cm in one surgery!!! But I think that's a very rare case. He seemed to be doing well with walking and everything, but I didn't talk to him much about any pain he may have or if he regretted it. The average Dr. G patient I believe gets like 6.5-6.7cm or something (based on true height gain observed from nail removal). So I did a little more than that.
I personally think anything over 7cm in femurs (less for tibias) is really pushing it in terms of recovery, though.
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I met one patient who somehow managed to do 9cm in one surgery!!! But I think that's a very rare case. He seemed to be doing well with walking and everything, but I didn't talk to him much about any pain he may have or if he regretted it. The average Dr. G patient I believe gets like 6.5-6.7cm or something (based on true height gain observed from nail removal). So I did a little more than that.
I personally think anything over 7cm in femurs (less for tibias) is really pushing it in terms of recovery, though.
A lot depends on how the pt is dealing with the lengthening, and the initial bone length.
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Dr. G said at most the nail might lose 2mm due to compression. And I still have to account for the fact that my duckass is hiding some height.
I've never heard of cases of people dying from internal femurs...that's scary if it's true.
Did you get your bones reamed?
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Did you get your bones reamed?
To be honest, I'm really not sure. I know when I was looking to do this with Precice 2, I was told I could get the larger rods put in no problem, which I believe means that my bones were big enough that I didn't need to get reamed. LOL I always have been "big boned" .... its why I weigh more than I look.
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Just took a few steps around my apartment, unassisted. Felt extremely weird. I felt like I was using my arms to propel and balance myself. I must've looked like a cross between Chris Farley and a duck wading water...except I'm not a duck, and there was no water to speak of. Whatever...baby steps, right? Though I can totally see how walking will fix my duckass and hopefully give me some resemblance of my formerly great ass again.
Still waiting to hear from the good doctor about my flexibility pictures and latest x-rays and if I can (safely!) sneak in a few more clicks or not.
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I just started walking a few weeks ago and it does feel extremely weird at first. I seriously could hardly even walk. My legs felt like they were cement. It is amazing how quickly though you regain the ability to walk. For me walking was and is the best PT. I walk really good around my apartment not so much if it is long distances.
Great to hear that you are taking those first baby steps. Psychologically they were the hardest for me because I was afraid something bad would happen.
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Great to hear that u have started ur first steps unaided. :) keep it up.
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To be honest, I'm really not sure. I know when I was looking to do this with Precice 2, I was told I could get the larger rods put in no problem, which I believe means that my bones were big enough that I didn't need to get reamed. LOL I always have been "big boned" .... its why I weigh more than I look.
I think you need to ask your surgeon ..As it may take longer to recover :-)
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Just took a few steps around my apartment, unassisted. Felt extremely weird. I felt like I was using my arms to propel and balance myself. I must've looked like a cross between Chris Farley and a duck wading water...except I'm not a duck, and there was no water to speak of. Whatever...baby steps, right? Though I can totally see how walking will fix my duckass and hopefully give me some resemblance of my formerly great ass again.
Still waiting to hear from the good doctor about my flexibility pictures and latest x-rays and if I can (safely!) sneak in a few more clicks or not.
There you go, you'll be running and jumping in a few months mate.
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Hey Yellowspike!
Nice to hear about the walking progress! Guichet seems to be a top choice, I am seriously considering him now!
Just read your diary for the last couple of hours ... the only thing that worried me a bit were when you wrote some I regret LL or wish I would have never found out about LL like comments (cannot remember your exact phrasing though) ...
From your perspective as of today, is this the case ? Do you regret LL (I suppose not, since you seem quite happy with your gain judging from your last posts) ? I can imagine that during phases of extreme accute pain one might have feelings of regret sometimes, but think that after the worst is over most people would say they would have decided again in favour of LL ...
All the best for your further recovery, I am sure you will be recovering much faster, now having stopped clicking and increased Walking!! The diary was really helpful and truly an inspiration!
Best whishes
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Hey Yellowspike!
Nice to hear about the walking progress! Guichet seems to be a top choice, I am seriously considering him now!
Just read your diary for the last couple of hours ... the only thing that worried me a bit were when you wrote some I regret LL or wish I would have never found out about LL like comments (cannot remember your exact phrasing though) ...
From your perspective as of today, is this the case ? Do you regret LL (I suppose not, since you seem quite happy with your gain judging from your last posts) ? I can imagine that during phases of extreme accute pain one might have feelings of regret sometimes, but think that after the worst is over most people would say they would have decided again in favour of LL ...
All the best for your further recovery, I am sure you will be recovering much faster, now having stopped clicking and increased Walking!! The diary was really helpful and truly an inspiration!
Best whishes
hes still in crutches so I guess he will not be able to make a sound assessment at this stage.
but for me, even when I am lying in bed now, I feel good and wont regret it. (unless I lose my abilities to walk)
I am fine with losing all athletic abilities but that would be a crush.
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Just took a few steps around my apartment, unassisted. Felt extremely weird. I felt like I was using my arms to propel and balance myself. I must've looked like a cross between Chris Farley and a duck wading water...except I'm not a duck, and there was no water to speak of. Whatever...baby steps, right? Though I can totally see how walking will fix my duckass and hopefully give me some resemblance of my formerly great ass again.
Still waiting to hear from the good doctor about my flexibility pictures and latest x-rays and if I can (safely!) sneak in a few more clicks or not.
You'll get your ass back. Muscle memory is a very real training phenomenon.
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You'll get your ass back. Muscle memory is a very real training phenomenon.
Haha. I hope so bro! I honestly will not have sex with a woman until I'm at least in decent shape again and have my ass back at least somewhat. That was one of my best features with women. I also wanna get my ab definition back and at least be back to the gym for a few weeks before really starting to date around again.
As far as the question "has it been worth it?" Like ItsHisLife (waves at Bon Jovi and No Doubt) said...I'm still on crutches, so without being able to live my life with a sense of normalcy (at least, not just yet), it's a bit hard to say. But if I had to answer the question now, in a word, yes...it has been worth it. The few times I regretted it, well, I was probably in a lot of pain. LL is a very difficult and painful process. It's probably one of the hardest things (or the hardest) that we will ever go through in life. And sometimes I wondered why I had done this to myself. But then I remembered how much I wanted it, how it was all I thought about, how I hated being shorter than most women in their heels...it sucked. I had to do it. I knew I'd never be tall, but my life was good before LL, because I have other things going for me. I just wanted to be tall enough so that I'm at least taller than most women (and a decent amount of women in their heels, such as the 5'4" and under crowd, which there are plenty of).
Today, I saw my best friend for the first time. I think he's a little over 5'8", and I know he's never had an issue with his height or with getting girls (though he's married now). Well, in my Nike Airs, i'm taller than him, and when I took them off (he kept his shoes on), we were the same size almost on the dot. It's not like he towered over me in the past, but I definitely felt shorter than him before LL. He kept saying that I look great and a lot taller. And then I got hit on by two cute girls...got the cuter one's number. If I only I wasn't still semi-crippled...YS needs some lovin! ;)
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Haha. I hope so bro! I honestly will not have sex with a woman until I'm at least in decent shape again and have my ass back at least somewhat. That was one of my best features with women. I also wanna get my ab definition back and at least be back to the gym for a few weeks before really starting to date around again.
As far as the question "has it been worth it?" Like ItsHisLife (waves at Bon Jovi and No Doubt) said...I'm still on crutches, so without being able to live my life with a sense of normalcy (at least, not just yet), it's a bit hard to say. But if I had to answer the question now, in a word, yes...it has been worth it. The few times I regretted it, well, I was probably in a lot of pain. LL is a very difficult and painful process. It's probably one of the hardest things (or the hardest) that we will ever go through in life. And sometimes I wondered why I had done this to myself. But then I remembered how much I wanted it, how it was all I thought about, how I hated being shorter than most women in their heels...it sucked. I had to do it. I knew I'd never be tall, but my life was good before LL, because I have other things going for me. I just wanted to be tall enough so that I'm at least taller than most women (and a decent amount of women in their heels, such as the 5'4" and under crowd, which there are plenty of).
Today, I saw my best friend for the first time. I think he's a little over 5'8", and I know he's never had an issue with his height or with getting girls (though he's married now). Well, in my Nike Airs, i'm taller than him, and when I took them off (he kept his shoes on), we were the same size almost on the dot. It's not like he towered over me in the past, but I definitely felt shorter than him before LL. He kept saying that I look great and a lot taller. And then I got hit on by two cute girls...got the cuter one's number. If I only I wasn't still semi-crippled...YS needs some lovin! ;)
It's awesome to read stuff like this YS! You'll be back in good shape in the next few months and all of this will be a distant memory. Congrats bro!!
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Can you do squats and dead lifts yet? Or bench? Hard to stay in shape without those lol
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It's awesome to read stuff like this YS! You'll be back in good shape in the next few months and all of this will be a distant memory. Congrats bro!!
Thanks bro! Looking forward to getting back to my normal life and enjoying my new height! Just gotta work more on the walking and fix this duckass!
I still think it's funny how my best friend insists that he never knew my height bothered me that much and he didn't consider me as that short...
Can you do squats and dead lifts yet? Or bench? Hard to stay in shape without those lol
Joel you're a funny dude. LOL I'm nowhere near these, those are a few months away man lol. Although I really do miss working out...
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Haha. I hope so bro! I honestly will not have sex with a woman until I'm at least in decent shape again and have my ass back at least somewhat. That was one of my best features with women. I also wanna get my ab definition back and at least be back to the gym for a few weeks before really starting to date around again.
As far as the question "has it been worth it?" Like ItsHisLife (waves at Bon Jovi and No Doubt) said...I'm still on crutches, so without being able to live my life with a sense of normalcy (at least, not just yet), it's a bit hard to say. But if I had to answer the question now, in a word, yes...it has been worth it. The few times I regretted it, well, I was probably in a lot of pain. LL is a very difficult and painful process. It's probably one of the hardest things (or the hardest) that we will ever go through in life. And sometimes I wondered why I had done this to myself. But then I remembered how much I wanted it, how it was all I thought about, how I hated being shorter than most women in their heels...it sucked. I had to do it. I knew I'd never be tall, but my life was good before LL, because I have other things going for me. I just wanted to be tall enough so that I'm at least taller than most women (and a decent amount of women in their heels, such as the 5'4" and under crowd, which there are plenty of).
Today, I saw my best friend for the first time. I think he's a little over 5'8", and I know he's never had an issue with his height or with getting girls (though he's married now). Well, in my Nike Airs, i'm taller than him, and when I took them off (he kept his shoes on), we were the same size almost on the dot. It's not like he towered over me in the past, but I definitely felt shorter than him before LL. He kept saying that I look great and a lot taller. And then I got hit on by two cute girls...got the cuter one's number. If I only I wasn't still semi-crippled...YS needs some lovin! ;)
What do you mean have your ass back? Did it become flat or something?!?
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What do you mean have your ass back? Did it become flat or something?!?
I'm going to post some more pictures of my duckass soon. What I mean is that I my ass is much flatter than it used to be.
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I'm going to post some more pictures of my duckass soon. What I mean is that I my ass is much flatter than it used to be.
Oh no, that is what I feared to hear. I get so many compliments for my ass, I don't want to lose one of my favourite assets (no pun intended). Does this happen to everyone?
I hope you can get it back.
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Oh no, that is what I feared to hear. I get so many compliments for my ass, I don't want to lose one of my favourite assets (no pun intended). Does this happen to everyone?
I hope you can get it back.
My ass was always naturally bubbly...so I'm pretty confident I'll get it back. I'll just have to work at it, which I most certainly will.
Pics to follow soon...
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I feel like my duckass looks worse in person. Hoping I gain a bit of height from correcting it. Even .5-1cm would make me very happy.
Also not a fan how my pelvis being tilted so forward makes me look like I have a belly.
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Give it time.. Your back and duck ass will ... Get better . Panda..
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I feel like my duckass looks worse in person. Hoping I gain a bit of height from correcting it. Even .5-1cm would make me very happy.
Also not a fan how my pelvis being tilted so forward makes me look like I have a belly.
Dude, your duckass doesn't look that bad as you think it does. Same goes with your pelvis. Either way, when do you think you will be able to start working out again and regain your legs and ass?
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Have been trying to walk unaided more today. Still look like an inebriated penguin, but it's slightly improving. Gotta start somewhere, right?
Has anyone ever experienced knee bending from doing internal femurs? When I stand up straight, my right knee bends just very slightly. I can of course manually correct this, but then it's a bit tight/slightly painful. I'm wondering if I just need to stretch my quads/hamstrings more.
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Hey man ,
if you will go to swim daily I'm 100% sure it will get fixed very fast give it a try!
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Hey man ,
if you will go to swim daily I'm 100% sure it will get fixed very fast give it a try!
Thanks for the tip, I just might try that!
By the way, cool signature. If memory serves, Programdude mentioned that quote in his diary as well.
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You have a nice ass! It must have been nicer.
Did you gain weight around your torso?
I gained some. (used to have six packs that were more defined)
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Walking is kinda painful. Today I have pain in various areas of both of my legs, but nothing too bad. Just gotta truck through it. My walking is terrible, but I've only just begun, so I know it'll get better. I have to force myself to do it because I need to weight-bear to help my legs heal faster.
My only two issues that kinda concern me (just a bit) at the moment are:
1. Right knee bending slightly when I stand up straight with legs closed (though I can manually fix this, and stretching my quads and hamstrings seems to help it a bit). Also have a bit of pain in my right groin area.
2. Bad pain in my lower left leg (calf/shin area) when I bend this leg inwards while keeping my foot still as if to click (I sometimes experience this when I turn in my sleep at night)
Has anyone ever experienced these, and if so, how might I go about correcting them?
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As far as the question "has it been worth it?" Like ItsHisLife (waves at Bon Jovi and No Doubt) said...I'm still on crutches, so without being able to live my life with a sense of normalcy (at least, not just yet), it's a bit hard to say. But if I had to answer the question now, in a word, yes...it has been worth it.
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Today, I saw my best friend for the first time. I think he's a little over 5'8", and I know he's never had an issue with his height or with getting girls (though he's married now). Well, in my Nike Airs, i'm taller than him, and when I took them off (he kept his shoes on), we were the same size almost on the dot. It's not like he towered over me in the past, but I definitely felt shorter than him before LL. He kept saying that I look great and a lot taller. And then I got hit on by two cute girls...got the cuter one's number. If I only I wasn't still semi-crippled...YS needs some lovin! ;)
Nice to read this and thanks for the answer!! What about your friend, did you tell him about your surgery or did he just notice and thought he had been mistaken about your height all the time ?
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Nice to read this and thanks for the answer!! What about your friend, did you tell him about your surgery or did he just notice and thought he had been mistaken about your height all the time ?
Haha nah he knew. He never towered over me in the past, but this time we were eye level when I took of my sneakers, and I think I was a bit taller with my sneakers on. He did say that I was very noticeably taller when he first saw me "walking" to his car when he picked me up.
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Thanks for the tip, I just might try that!
By the way, cool signature. If memory serves, Programdude mentioned that quote in his diary as well.
correct , this quote it taken from this movie
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0369339/
anyway I wish your legs will recover and you will go back to your normal life like before man.
by your picture your posture is very bad , but I guess it happens to all the people who do this surgery . try to hang on a bar it can improve it as well!!
http://www.menshealth.com/mhlists/cms/uploads/1/hang-leg-raise.jpg
btw your doctor is doing follow ups with you or thats it?
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correct , this quote it taken from this movie
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0369339/
anyway I wish your legs will recover and you will go back to your normal life like before man.
by your picture your posture is very bad , but I guess it happens to all the people who do this surgery . try to hang on a bar it can improve it as well!!
http://www.menshealth.com/mhlists/cms/uploads/1/hang-leg-raise.jpg
btw your doctor is doing follow ups with you or thats it?
yeah I still have pretty significant duckass. I need to actively work on it more, but I've admittedly been lazy. I've been trying to walk a little more around my apartment without crutches each day. My walking looks terrible so far :-\ ...gotta keep trying I guess. And yes, I'm in regular contact with Dr. Guichet.
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My opinion is that u were so exited at the beginning and did a month pre operation exercises
But now u just get bored and u don't have the motivation that makes u walk more without aid and swimming more
I know what u have been through was so difficult and painful
But now just have to steps to finish it and enjoy ur new height for lifetime
And remember . No pain . No gain
At the moment I have question if u don't mind
In the website for dr.guichet wrote the cost of operation is around 45 000 euro
When I emailed him about he told me is 64 000 the operation with 2 month isokentc
So what is the realy cost and I know u get bored from this question but am confused
Thanx
And please be yellowspike and walk today more and more and be a tough guy
Don't be a pink spike
This video for guy after less than 2 month postoperative
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JjY6oAxLhHk
So cut the crap and stand and walk for one hour today
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My opinion is that u were so exited at the beginning and did a month pre operation exercises
But now u just get bored and u don't have the motivation that makes u walk more without aid and swimming more
I know what u have been through was so difficult and painful
But now just have to steps to finish it and enjoy ur new height for lifetime
And remember . No pain . No gain
At the moment I have question if u don't mind
In the website for dr.guichet wrote the cost of operation is around 45 000 euro
When I emailed him about he told me is 64 000 the operation with 2 month isokentc
So what is the realy cost and I know u get bored from this question but am confused
Thanx
And please be yellowspike and walk today more and more and be a tough guy
Don't be a pink spike
This video for guy after less than 2 month postoperative
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JjY6oAxLhHk
So cut the crap and stand and walk for one hour today
Perhaps 64,000 euro is net estimated cost including accommodations, food, surgery, ISO center, etc.
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Perhaps 64,000 euro is net estimated cost including accommodations, food, surgery, ISO center, etc.
If it is all estimating cost ,This is still value for money , :not expensive
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Appreciate the tough love goldeye...trust me, I have been trying to walk as much as I can. It's hard for me now, but I know it'll get better.
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Had to see doctor for a checkup today (haven't had one since before the surgery), this was the last week they'd waive my co-pay, so I just went in. All is well (except for the pain in my left leg - duh). The doctor's assistant measured me at a tad over 5'8" (after having been awake and sitting near my computer working for 6 hours), and the doctor measured me at 5'8.5". I then used the machine to measure myself, and I got 5'8.5" first, then a bit over 5'8" when I pushed it down more. And the doctor noticed my posture was bad (the duckass), so I'm feeling pretty good about my gain right now (fingers crossed for .5cm from the duckass improvement).
My weight was mostly the same. I'm not sure how much the Gnails weigh (the London doctor said they weigh a good amount, I can't remember though)...but with them in, I'm 164lbs, which was around what I was before the surgery (without the rods). So maybe I'm in the mid/high 150s? I don't know.. All my vitals were good, so that's a relief. Just need to take the recovery "bull" by the horns! 8)
Do any internal femur vets have any advice as far as not looking like a drunk penguin when you walk? I'm assuming it'll just be like that for a while.
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When your duckass is gone you might never shrink below 173CM, that's pretty nice.
What does it feel like to häve longer legs and femurs, is it very strange?
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When your duckass is gone you might never shrink below 173CM, that's pretty nice.
What does it feel like to häve longer legs and femurs, is it very strange?
Hope so Uppland! My dad has measured me (I think very accurately) a bunch of times, and I keep coming in between just over 5'8" and 5'8.25" (though I think it's closer to 5'8", which is fine). Today at the doctor I received about the same results. I'm not expecting a lot from fixing the duckass, but even a small boost (like .5cm) would be very welcome. All of these measurements have been taking in the evening and/or late afternoon for sake of being conservative.
Well, I've noticed two things. Since I was very short before the surgery, I would always buy sweaters/jackets etc. in either medium or small so I wouldn't be swimming in them. Now, some of my sweaters and one jacket in particular looks a bit small on me (because my legs are longer). My femurs look very long when I look in the mirror, but that's because they're also a lot thinner right now. Proportion-wise, i would not give any of this a second thought, and I don't think anyone would ever notice.
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Hope so Uppland! My dad has measured me (I think very accurately) a bunch of times, and I keep coming in between just over 5'8" and 5'8.25" (though I think it's closer to 5'8", which is fine). Today at the doctor I received about the same results. I'm not expecting a lot from fixing the duckass, but even a small boost (like .5cm) would be very welcome. All of these measurements have been taking in the evening and/or late afternoon for sake of being conservative.
Well, I've noticed two things. Since I was very short before the surgery, I would always buy sweaters/jackets etc. in either medium or small so I wouldn't be swimming in them. Now, some of my sweaters and one jacket in particular looks a bit small on me (because my legs are longer). My femurs look very long when I look in the mirror, but that's because they're also a lot thinner right now. Proportion-wise, i would not give any of this a second thought, and I don't think anyone would ever notice.
What is your morning height, btw? Mine is about 171 cm.
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Hope so Uppland! My dad has measured me (I think very accurately) a bunch of times, and I keep coming in between just over 5'8" and 5'8.25" (though I think it's closer to 5'8", which is fine). Today at the doctor I received about the same results. I'm not expecting a lot from fixing the duckass, but even a small boost (like .5cm) would be very welcome. All of these measurements have been taking in the evening and/or late afternoon for sake of being conservative.
Well, I've noticed two things. Since I was very short before the surgery, I would always buy sweaters/jackets etc. in either medium or small so I wouldn't be swimming in them. Now, some of my sweaters and one jacket in particular looks a bit small on me (because my legs are longer). My femurs look very long when I look in the mirror, but that's because they're also a lot thinner right now. Proportion-wise, i would not give any of this a second thought, and I don't think anyone would ever notice.
I'm sure you look great and thanks for the reply, you certainly deserve all good things considering what you went through, but what I was wondering was more of how it actually feels.
Maybe it's hard to describe, but I'm just so curious about how one moves with longer femurs, what's different when you do everyday things like climbing stairs or stepping over things?
You might not be moving that much as your still recovering but OBG didn't answer so I thought I'd ask.
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What is your morning height, btw? Mine is about 171 cm.
To be honest, I really don't know. I always used the evening height, since it's more conservative. I just know that another LL surgeon I was looking into measured me at like 167, but that was in the morning like 8:30/9am (though I was awake for like over 2 hours at that point...lol).
I'm sure you look great and thanks for the reply, you certainly deserve all good things considering what you went through, but what I was wondering was more of how it actually feels.
Maybe it's hard to describe, but I'm just so curious about how one moves with longer femurs, what's different when you do everyday things like climbing stairs or stepping over things?
You might not be moving that much as your still recovering but OBG didn't answer so I thought I'd ask.
Yeah I know what you mean now. It's hard for me to describe at this point because I'm still on crutches. I'm trying to walk around my apartment a little each day (and plan to kick it up a notch this weekend at the race track near where I live), but it's hard. It's a bit painful, and my form/balance isn't that great. I think at this point it's mostly fear on my end. I know one of the great things about weight-bearing nails is that you can walk before the bones are fused, but it's just scary as hell to me. I'm trying my hardest to get over it and just do it.
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How many cm gain was this 7.5 - 8.5??
what's your wingspan 170?
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How many cm gain was this 7.5 - 8.5??
what's your wingspan 170?
I started at around 166 and I'm now about 173 - so about 7cm. I don't know my wingspan, but I know my wingspan was definitely larger than my starting height. I never cared (and still don't) much about proportions. I think my proportions look great, and will be even better once I get some meat back on my legs.
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What is your morning height, btw? Mine is about 171 cm.
I just attempted to measure myself now, just outta bed. I think it was like somewhere between 5'8.5" and 5'8.75". So it makes sense that I could be a tad over 5'8" in the evening. Hope the duckass gives me a boost, but I'm not expecting more than .5cm.
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I just attempted to measure myself now, just outta bed. I think it was like somewhere between 5'8.5" and 5'8.75". So it makes sense that I could be a tad over 5'8" in the evening. Hope the duckass gives me a boost, but I'm not expecting more than .5cm.
PICS >:(
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PICS >:( ...
... or gtfo
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I love how the misc taking over this forum, slowly but surely.
I already showed pics of my duckass, Joel. What do you want to see pics of now? I figured I'd wait until I fixed the duckss to do proportions and stuff.
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I love how the misc taking over this forum, slowly but surely.
I already showed pics of my duckass, Joel. What do you want to see pics of now? I figured I'd wait until I fixed the duckss to do proportions and stuff.
maybe he wants to see more your sexy pictures. ;D
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I love how the misc taking over this forum, slowly but surely.
I already showed pics of my duckass, Joel. What do you want to see pics of now? I figured I'd wait until I fixed the duckss to do proportions and stuff.
Yellow, after seeing your duckass pics, I think I too have it, and I didn't even do the surgery. I noticed one day in a photo that my ass seemed to be sticking out like yours and my lumber spine is a bir curved.
I think I have it naturally from a muscular imbalance. Anyone know exercises I can do to correct this?
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In order to fix it, you have to stretch the iliopsoas (spelling? why is this not in my Apple dictionary?), and I think you need to strengthen your abs and glutes. My abs aren't particularly weak, but they could use a bit more work I'd say. And my ass/glutes are totally destroyed at the moment. Dr. G said that my duckass would go away on its own after I've been walking for a while, but I"m going to work on strengthening my glutes more.
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I love how the misc taking over this forum, slowly but surely.
I already showed pics of my duckass, Joel. What do you want to see pics of now? I figured I'd wait until I fixed the duckss to do proportions and stuff.
like standing up in a mirror like the annoying people take at the gym haha. Just wondering I bet you look great!
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Wow that's good you're getting out of crutches! Nice. All my well wishes your way!
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Wow that's good you're getting out of crutches! Nice. All my well wishes your way!
Meh, I still have a ways to go. I'm focusing the next few days more on side leg lifts and glute bridges to strengthen my adductors and glutes to walk a little better.
On another note, I had my first female encounter post-LL last night. She approached me last week when I saw my friend. It was...interesting. Nice actually feeling decently taller than a 5'4"/5'5" girl. I let her do most of the work. It was a little better than I thought. 8)
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Yellowspike how is your recovery coming along, any improvment?
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I'm waiting to hear back on the possibility of clicking a little more (I'm getting new x-rays tomorrow or the day after). Everyone has said not to count on the duckass, and I feel like I cut it too close to what I wanted, and thus I'm not happy at the moment. I only stopped because my left leg had a TON of pain towards the end of clicking, it was almost unbearable. I would have continued if it weren't for that, so I decided to at least give me a body a break, at the time.
Recovery's going, but my ambivalence on clicking further or not has made me not be as committed as I need to be. This is my own fault, I know, and I will work on it. I actually think being on here (as much as I like most of the people on here) as much as I have has made me feel worse about it.
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Mate, listen to me: don't do it. Quit the clicking you already made it to 173CM+ territory and like we've all learned the last days -with this surgery we better not take any chances.
The pain was a sign that something is wrong inside your leg, don't hurt yourself forever just because of a few mm, alright?
Promise me damn it, and get on that recovery ASAP.
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I'm waiting to hear back on the possibility of clicking a little more (I'm getting new x-rays tomorrow or the day after). Everyone has said not to count on the duckass, and I feel like I cut it too close to what I wanted, and thus I'm not happy at the moment. I only stopped because my left leg had a TON of pain towards the end of clicking, it was almost unbearable. I would have continued if it weren't for that, so I decided to at least give me a body a break, at the time.
Recovery's going, but my ambivalence on clicking further or not has made me not be as committed as I need to be. This is my own fault, I know, and I will work on it. I actually think being on here (as much as I like most of the people on here) as much as I have has made me feel worse about it.
Please trust many diaries before your
Now you nearly to exceed safety limit that can make you from good recovery to bad recovery
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Uppland and goodluck - I really appreciate both of your encouraging words. Thank you both.
I'm very uneasy about stopping now because my evening height seems to be right at 5'8" on the dot (most results have come in slightly above in the evening, one or two a pinch below). For me, it's just the principle of the matter. I know I'm getting caught up in the numbers game. I'm just not young and rich like a lot of you guys, so I don't have the luxury of just saying "well, I can do a second LL in a few years." At my age, I'm looking at career advancement, possibly getting married in the future, etc., so a second LL would be nearly impossible for me to swing (and by that time, not as worth it). I actually can afford a second LL right now with even Paley or Guichet again, but then I'd be pretty much cleaned out of my cash savings (which I will not do).
I'm getting x-rays taken tomorrow or Thursday, I'll see what's what. If it won't risk fracture per the doctor, maybe I'll suck up the pain just a little longer. I just don't want to be even a bit below 5'8", I've worked too hard and have sacrificed too much to not have reached my goal. I was trying to count on the duckass, but people have warned that I would be lucky even to get .5cm, so I'm not really counting on anything. So many on here are very lucky to start with a height of 5'7"/5'8" and then go on to do LL...this may be my last shot to get taller, and 5'8" is still borderline as it is.
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I think you're making a mistake but goodspeed if you're going for it
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I think you're making a mistake but goodspeed if you're going for it
I haven't decided one way or another yet. I have to see what the x-rays look like first, and then talk to my doctor. The point may be moot, I may not even be able to click anymore. Then I guess I'll be forced to consider a second LL in the future, as much as I REALLY don't want to do it..
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Uppland and goodluck - I really appreciate both of your encouraging words. Thank you both.
I'm very uneasy about stopping now because my evening height seems to be right at 5'8" on the dot (most results have come in slightly above in the evening, one or two a pinch below). For me, it's just the principle of the matter. I know I'm getting caught up in the numbers game. I'm just not young and rich like a lot of you guys, so I don't have the luxury of just saying "well, I can do a second LL in a few years." At my age, I'm looking at career advancement, possibly getting married in the future, etc., so a second LL would be nearly impossible for me to swing (and by that time, not as worth it). I actually can afford a second LL right now with even Paley or Guichet again, but then I'd be pretty much cleaned out of my cash savings (which I will not do).
I'm getting x-rays taken tomorrow or Thursday, I'll see what's what. If it won't risk fracture per the doctor, maybe I'll suck up the pain just a little longer. I just don't want to be even a bit below 5'8", I've worked too hard and have sacrificed too much to not have reached my goal. I was trying to count on the duckass, but people have warned that I would be lucky even to get .5cm, so I'm not really counting on anything. So many on here are very lucky to start with a height of 5'7"/5'8" and then go on to do LL...this may be my last shot to get taller, and 5'8" is still borderline as it is.
please read this diary
Guichet's patient
make me taller/index.php/topic,3324.0.html
It is risky game
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Wow. I've read a lot of diaries over the past year before actually doing this, but thanks goodluck. I actually never read that particularly diary. Scary. I'll listen to what Dr. G says based on when he sees my new x-rays. I guess I'll probably stop even though I'm not happy. It is what it is.
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Docteir guichet good
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Buddy, you need to do what's right for you and your body. On this forum, you don't know who is behind that keyboard. There are people with low self-esteem and there are transvestite who are here to vent on straight short male. There is also body builder with dysmorphic sense of what's aesthetic. You don't need to take in their distorted sense of reality.
5'8 is an awesome height in America. Little more is better but also listen to your body. But once you're outside and start working again, height is one just aspect of a happiness, the others are money and position. With money you can earn a comfortable living and provide for your kids. You can also get a decent lawyer if you get into trouble. You can drive a nice luxury car, work in a company and fire the tall guy below you if he doesn't do his job. If you're tall but without money and power, you may be as well happy but powerless in society.
If you do want to go further and your body is screaming pain, I advise you to take a break for a few days.... stop everything and wait out for the pain to subside.... then lengthen again once you feel better. Your future looks awesome and your family/true friends are proud of you for taking on this endeavour.
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I appreciate the kind words Smallguy. Thank you.
Well, I haven't clicked now in about 3 weeks, because it had become very painful for my left leg. Actually, doing the clicking motions was painful on both legs, but I found an alternate way to do the right leg that helped it a bit. But even now, when I move my left leg as if to click, it hurts a good amount (though not as bad as 3 weeks ago). Certain sudden movements (like changing sleeping positions in bed or keeping my left foot in place while tilting the left leg) seem to cause this pain too. I'll see what the x-rays look like. It may be best to be cautious and just leave it alone, as much as I want a little more.
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Agree with the above posters, around 3 inches is a fantastic gain for 5'5. Avoid the massive femur/tiny shins look if you can you. Don't get caught up in the numbers game and do what's best for you. You can read Goodfootballers diary on the old forum for a good perspective on what it looks like to be caught in it.
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Forum many tall insane people ..
psychiatrische Klinik not bone klinik :P
Worry do not! Yellowspik u are brave man and no give up! Docteur guichet is good
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I see dokteur next week 8)
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Yellowspike when you had your consultation, how much did Guichet recommend that you lengthened?
Also if you're still in contact with the man could you ask if it's possible to improve that number. Say if i went and my legs checked and he said I'd be able to do 5CM, could I then improve my lengthening potential to 7CM via stretching/exercise?
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doctor guichet or doctor bet? Why and how
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Yellowspike when you had your consultation, how much did Guichet recommend that you lengthened?
Also if you're still in contact with the man could you ask if it's possible to improve that number. Say if i went and my legs checked and he said I'd be able to do 5CM, could I then improve my lengthening potential to 7CM via stretching/exercise?
When I had my initial consultation, he said I could probably expect between 6.5cm and 7cm, but that we'd have to be careful (I think he said this due to a contracture on my right leg, which hasn't caused many issues thus far). Towards the end of my lengthening, once I got to 6.5cm (based on the click tracking), he said that I could go as far as 7cm. I stopped around 6.85/6.9cm due to the bad left leg pain. And my goal was 6.5-7cm, so I guess I more or less got it. I guess, now that I'm "here," I wanted to push a bit more. However, my body needed a break 3 weeks ago, so I complied and gave it a break. I do know that I worked very hard in PT, and never missed a single session at the gym or isokinetic center. I know I'm being overly anal, and that's on me. I just want to be safely in the 5'8" range so I can at least be considered a "strong 5'8," if you will. It's a mental thing for me at this point, and I'm well aware of that.
Sometimes I wonder if an ITB release could have allowed me to lengthen a bit further. It's hard to say. Some say having an ITB release (I know Paley and Rozbruch do it on many patients) results in like a permanent 20% decrease in athletic ability. Overall, I would prefer not having the ITB release, since it's one less part of my body that was "messed with."
To answer your actual question, I believe you are correct. He may say "5cm," but maybe if you work more on yourself and go back, he may say otherwise.
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Tell me please yellowspik
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Tell me please yellowspik
....tell you what?
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doctor guichet Milan
doctor betz Germany
Why and how?? Who is better?
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Dok tor help me plez 20 CM is it be done tell me and help me ???
Nobody like short man.......
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hey Yellowspike when will you have your X-RAYS?
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My friend, all the information you need to decide between Dr. Guichet and Dr. Betz is on this site and on other sites.
But I'll give you Cliffnotes version - Dr. Guichet is better. If you can, go with him.
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hey Yellowspike when will you have your X-RAYS?
hey pal, I think tomorrow or Thursday. Gotta double check my appointment. We'll see how it goes!
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hey pal, I think tomorrow or Thursday. Gotta double check my appointment. We'll see how it goes!
hope all goes well bro
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When I had my initial consultation, he said I could probably expect between 6.5cm and 7cm, but that we'd have to be careful (I think he said this due to a contracture on my right leg, which hasn't caused many issues thus far). Towards the end of my lengthening, once I got to 6.5cm (based on the click tracking), he said that I could go as far as 7cm. I stopped around 6.85/6.9cm due to the bad left leg pain. And my goal was 6.5-7cm, so I guess I more or less got it. I guess, now that I'm "here," I wanted to push a bit more. However, my body needed a break 3 weeks ago, so I complied and gave it a break. I do know that I worked very hard in PT, and never missed a single session at the gym or isokinetic center. I know I'm being overly anal, and that's on me. I just want to be safely in the 5'8" range so I can at least be considered a "strong 5'8," if you will. It's a mental thing for me at this point, and I'm well aware of that.
Sometimes I wonder if an ITB release could have allowed me to lengthen a bit further. It's hard to say. Some say having an ITB release (I know Paley and Rozbruch do it on many patients) results in like a permanent 20% decrease in athletic ability. Overall, I would prefer not having the ITB release, since it's one less part of my body that was "messed with."
To answer your actual question, I believe you are correct. He may say "5cm," but maybe if you work more on yourself and go back, he may say otherwise.
Alright thanks, where you flexible when you had the consultation?
What can I do to increase my muscle resistance, like what stretches should I do roughly?
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Yes, I was above average flexible before the surgery. My flexibly has been coming back pretty quickly, I must say.
To increase muscle resistance, focus on exercises that strengthen your quads, particularly, your lower quads. Leg extension, leg press, half-squats (don't go all the way down), etc.
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Yes, I was above average flexible before the surgery. My flexibly has been coming back pretty quickly, I must say.
To increase muscle resistance, focus on exercises that strengthen your quads, particularly, your lower quads. Leg extension, leg press, half-squats (don't go all the way down), etc.
Well i meant stretches/exercies that will help with the surgery, like what did Guichet tell you to do?
Right now I'm below average flexibility so I wanna change that.
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Thanks! :D
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Im getting x-rays tomorrow. I attempted to do the click motions on my legs last night...OUCH. I think my body is done for now. Even when doing the standing up version for the right leg, it was way too painful (and resulted in knee pain, even without actually clicking). My left leg seems to have gotten better, though, but still has pain when I do the click motion.
I'll see what the x-rays say, but even if he says I can still click (which I doubt at this point), I'm leaning towards adopting a "wait and see" stance on this. Let me heal, fix my duckass/anterior pelvic tilt, and see how i feel then. Tibias are out of the question for me (takes too long, not dealing with externals, don't want to spend the money). Maybe if I REALLY want another cm or so that badly in a year or so, I can just have Dr. G rebreak the femurs and just sneak in a little more. I don't really care about proportions, to be honest. My wingspan is fine for my new height (and can even take a bit more lengthening, I think), and my femurs look a bit long, but with added muscle, they'll look fine. No one would notice in real life. You can hide long femurs pretty easily with clothes, and I honestly value total height more.
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Hey Yellowspike,
I noticed that you started 14th of December — was it a good idea to do this right before the holidays?
It's been more than 3 months, did you expect to be fully healed by now?
Also do you know if Dr.G does surgery outside Milan (more specifically in London)?
I read Jay7s diary on the old forum and he mentioned that Guichet also does surgery in Barcelona and London but that was years ago. I live in London so even if I have to wait a few months it's worth it. I'm also super confused about costs, I checked one of Dr.G's websites (I'm about to email/call) and says that you need to budget between 58-65k euro so I've already saved the higher end of that and theres the possibility of savings if I can get this done in my home city. So far what are your total expenses ex removal?
I thought I would be getting this done later this year but after a recent windfall I think I should book a consultation with Dr G asap.
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Hey Yellowspike,
I noticed that you started 14th of December — was it a good idea to do this right before the holidays?
It's been more than 3 months, did you expect to be fully healed by now?
Also do you know if Dr.G does surgery outside Milan (more specifically in London)?
I read Jay7s diary on the old forum and he mentioned that Guichet also does surgery in Barcelona and London but that was years ago. I live in London so even if I have to wait a few months it's worth it. I'm also super confused about costs, I checked one of Dr.G's websites (I'm about to email/call) and says that you need to budget between 58-65k euro so I've already saved the higher end of that and theres the possibility of savings if I can get this done in my home city. So far what are your total expenses ex removal?
I thought I would be getting this done later this year but after a recent windfall I think I should book a consultation with Dr G asap.
I just wanted to get it done asap before I lost my nerve. It kinda sucked to miss the holidays, but I wanted it done. And no, I didn't expect to be fully healed by now, recovery's gonna take a while, I know that. ShyShy was an expectational case, although I know I need to work harder at recovery. I'm not as focused now because I'm working, and I just don't have as much time.
Yes, I had my surgery in London (Princess Grace Hospital, to be exact). I love you Brits, but man, your country is so damn expensive! I hate the GBP!!! When I do the rod removal (or if I do another LL with the same rods in my femurs), I'm making sure to stay in Milan. Due to a timing issue, I had to have it done in London, or wait until the new year, which I didn't want to do. I wanted the damn thing over with.
Yeah, Dr. G's prices are going up, big time. I shudder to think how much I'm gonna have to spend on the removal or possibly re-breaking the femurs and doing a little more on the same rods. I'm hoping my insurance might cover the rod removal, I"ve heard that they sometimes do because they consider it "medically necessary" (even though they weren't put in for necessity reasons).
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Yes, I had my surgery in London (Princess Grace Hospital, to be exact). I love you Brits, but man, your country is so damn expensive! I hate the GBP!!! When I do the rod removal (or if I do another LL with the same rods in my femurs), I'm making sure to stay in Milan. Due to a timing issue, I had to have it done in London, or wait until the new year, which I didn't want to do. I wanted the damn thing over with.
Yeah, Dr. G's prices are going up, big time. I shudder to think how much I'm gonna have to spend on the removal or possibly re-breaking the femurs and doing a little more on the same rods. I'm hoping my insurance might cover the rod removal, I"ve heard that they sometimes do because they consider it "medically necessary" (even though they weren't put in for necessity reasons).
So you did it in London, OMFG thats fking great. I'm already dreaming about lengthening while maintaining my lifestyle. I don't think the UK is that expensive, maybe it's because I've lived here for too long.
Only contact info I can find is the info@leglengtheningclinic.com but his website seems outdated. Did you call Princess Grace Hospital directly? Also did you do consultation there as well?
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Dr. G was somewhat slow to respond to my emails (he's very busy and gets like hundreds of new inquiries a day), so I actually called him. LOL each time I got him, he was going into the operating room, I felt horrible (but I finally was able to get in).
I did the consultation and pre-training in Milan. There was a chance of me doing the surgery in Milan, but it fell through. Milan is much cheaper. Yeah, if you're living in the UK, London is obviously the best option for you.
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So you did it in London, OMFG thats fking great. I'm already dreaming about lengthening while maintaining my lifestyle. I don't think the UK is that expensive, maybe it's because I've lived here for too long.
Only contact info I can find is the info@leglengtheningclinic.com but his website seems outdated. Did you call Princess Grace Hospital directly? Also did you do consultation there as well?
Hey when i go to london
Could you suggest some place for live ,safe and not expensive for3 or 4 months?
I want to safe my accommodation cost .
May be i will do it in london not milan
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Hey when i go to london
Could you suggest some place for live ,safe and not expensive for3 or 4 months?
I want to safe my accommodation cost .
May be i will do it in london not milan
There's a website called Air B&B. You can use that to find people who are willing to rent out rooms for you. Just make sure you get a place with a lift and no stairs. Hotels and apartments are WAY too expense in London. I live in an expensive city, and London puts even my home city to shame. London is ridiculously expensive. I would try to do it in Milan if you can, much more affordable (and much better food).
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Dr. G was somewhat slow to respond to my emails (he's very busy and gets like hundreds of new inquiries a day), so I actually called him. LOL each time I got him, he was going into the operating room, I felt horrible (but I finally was able to get in).
I did the consultation and pre-training in Milan. There was a chance of me doing the surgery in Milan, but it fell through. Milan is much cheaper. Yeah, if you're living in the UK, London is obviously the best option for you.
Thanks for the notice. I sent him an email, if I don't hear anything in 2 weeks I'll call that hospital.
There's a website called Air B&B. You can use that to find people who are willing to rent out rooms for you. Just make sure you get a place with a lift and no stairs. Hotels and apartments are WAY too expense in London. I live in an expensive city, and London puts even my home city to shame. London is ridiculously expensive. I would try to do it in Milan if you can, much more affordable (and much better food).
Hey when i go to london
Could you suggest some place for live ,safe and not expensive for3 or 4 months?
I want to safe my accommodation cost .
May be i will do it in london not milan
If you use Air B&B make sure its for the whole apartment or studio, I don't think anyone would like sharing with an LLer when they could have shared with a normal person.Lifts in London are rare, most places have stairs, often a lot of stairs. Actually when I think lift I think new development or large complex.
YS maybe you think London is expensive because you're not making any money here. For me when I go on holiday anywhere I think it's expensive because I know that I'm in negative cashflow while I'm there. Also there really are 2 different prices for accommodation in London, 1 is for residents and 1 for tourists. All of those 'all-inclusive' short-term apartments are massively expensive because they cater for short-lets and have business rates/hotel taxes. The same apartment (usually in the same building) can be had for much less if you are a resident with local references and sign a long term lease.
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Hey when i go to london
Could you suggest some place for live ,safe and not expensive for3 or 4 months?
I want to safe my accommodation cost .
May be i will do it in london not milan
You can live with me ... I'm a rent boy xxx
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Free massage... Free food ... Free tlc xx
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Hey when i go to london
Could you suggest some place for live ,safe and not expensive for3 or 4 months?
I want to safe my accommodation cost .
May be i will do it in london not milan
Well I live in south kensington, I personally think it's the best area in London but I'm sure others will disagree. I was considering posting an ad to rent out space at mine but although its 1250sqft it is a 1 bedroom flat! Also I'm on the 3rd floor and there is no lift (very old building) so that's going to be a problem ;/
Hey Yellowspike from your experience do you think that being on the 3rd floor (3 floors above ground lobby) is alright? It's an old building so there is a landing half-way between each floor but the stairs spiral slightly as well. If nt then I might have to have someone carry me upstairs ;/
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Wow ... That is a very nice place ... I may cum to see u.. :-)
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Well I live in south kensington, I personally think it's the best area in London but I'm sure others will disagree. I was considering posting an ad to rent out space at mine but although its 1250sqft it is a 1 bedroom flat! Also I'm on the 3rd floor and there is no lift (very old building) so that's going to be a problem ;/
The 3rd floor will be a problem... I think we should tie rope on the LL patient legs and pull him or her up.. Problem solved .. Panda :-)
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uk is not that expensive... just london
and moscow is insanely expensive too.... and im from new york
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On a serious note ... You can rent rooms in South or North london ... At average prices ... But central London is very expensive to rent... panda
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Well I live in south kensington, I personally think it's the best area in London but I'm sure others will disagree. I was considering posting an ad to rent out space at mine but although its 1250sqft it is a 1 bedroom flat! Also I'm on the 3rd floor and there is no lift (very old building) so that's going to be a problem ;/
Hey Yellowspike from your experience do you think that being on the 3rd floor (3 floors above ground lobby) is alright? It's an old building so there is a landing half-way between each floor but the stairs spiral slightly as well. If nt then I might have to have someone carry me upstairs ;/
Stairs will be a problem for the first few weeks while you're on a walker. Not impossible, but very annoying to do. I did stairs after about a week, and it was kinda hard. Once you're on crutches, they're easier, but do you really wanna deal with them (and the risk to hurt yourself) just by leaving and coming to your flat?
And Panda, you are one creepy dude.
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Stairs will be a problem for the first few weeks while you're on a walker. Not impossible, but very annoying to do. I did stairs after about a week, and it was kinda hard. Once you're on crutches, they're easier, but do you really wanna deal with them (and the risk to hurt yourself) just by leaving and coming to your flat?
And Panda, you are one creepy dude.
I'm only joking .... Bored in life :-)
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Stairs will be a problem for the first few weeks while you're on a walker. Not impossible, but very annoying to do. I did stairs after about a week, and it was kinda hard. Once you're on crutches, they're easier, but do you really wanna deal with them (and the risk to hurt yourself) just by leaving and coming to your flat?
Thanks for the tip, I didn't even know about the walker (i thought it was straight to crutches). It seems I'll have to rent an all-inclusive tourist rip off flat for a few weeks then. Also it just dawned on me that if I get friends to help me out then they'll know about the surgery. I already had to tell my parents (which I wanted to avoid but it was unrealistic in hindsight) and I'm already uncomfortable so I definitely can't tell anyone else. Actually now that I think about it maybe getting it done in Milan might be a better option for me :-[
I think I'm starting to understand Jay7s statement about how LL is more mentally and socially challenging than anything.
fk.
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LL is very trying indeed. You will soon see.
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Thanks.
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I was told that my healing is progressing properly (who hoo), but also told not to click anymore. I suppose it's just as well, as the click motions were starting to become extremely painful. I probably should stop measuring myself, but I seem to come in a tad below 5'8" right before bed time. I'm not sure, I could be measuring myself wrong. If fixing the duckass even gives 3-5mm, it will put me at just about 5'8" at night, which is pretty much all I wanted. I really hope that's the case.
I actually feel like somewhat of a failure if I don't reach my goal. May sound dumb to others, but until you go through this (you will sacrifice a ton of time, money, pain, loneliness, and potentially bad reactions from others), and unless you're a short as I was (many of you start at 5'7 and up, so you CAN lengthen less and still be a good height in the end), you can't begin to understand how I feel. Such is life though.
Guess I'll be re-breaking my femur and doing more next summer lol. In the meantime, I will probably taking some time away from this forum, as it's only making me feel worse.
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Sorry that you feel worse on here, but will you still keep us updated?
Remeber what an inspiration shyshy's videos and photos was for you?
Imagine what you could be for me or anyone else on here.
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The difference is that ShyShy was an immense success all around. I'm not really sure what an inspiration I would be, as I didn't reach my goal. And honestly, being on here with so many of you who are already very solid heights (not trying to imply anyone should or should not get LL, I'm just giving my opinion that many of your heights are already perfectly fine) doesn't help matters. But it is what it is.
But yes, I will keep updates, just not nearly as often. I do want to help others if I can, and I will still reply to PMs. Gotta pay it forward :)
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I know your feelings bro. We start with real low heights and need a good amount to get into a safe zone. Me my self think that maybe i will need 2 surgeries to feel ok with my self.
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I know your feelings bro. We start with real low heights and need a good amount to get into a safe zone. Me my self think that maybe i will need 2 surgeries to feel ok with my self.
If I were a solid 5'8", I think I'd be fine with that. I'm just doubting (based on evening height) that I am. Even being a pinch under that is just unacceptable to me. And I really REALLY didn't want to have go through this sh*t again, spend more money, more time off from work, hate the idea of externals...but I might have to. I guess I'll see how I feel once I'm fully recovered. Maybe I'll be lucky enough to get a wife as great as Sweden's who would see me through a second LL. Although I doubt that!
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Why fret about some arbitrary number from the old-fashioned English measuring system?
5'8 = 172.72cm. You're definitely a solid, modern, worldly, metric 172 even at night. :)
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Why fret about some arbitrary number from the old-fashioned English measuring system?
5'8 = 172.72cm. You're definitely a solid, modern, worldly, metric 172 even at night. :)
I really appreciate this - thank you MDoW :) It's just that I've had engrained into my head for so long that anything under 5'8" isn't acceptable. Even at my old height...I did pretty well with women. Through all my years of online dating (and pretty successful at it), whether for serious relationships or hookups, I kept seeing the lowest that these women demand is 5'8" (though most want 5'10" and up). But of course, I had to deal with comments from them and my friends on occassion. I'm not so much hung up on these hypothetical women per se, but the number is what got engrained into my head. I also would see many posts on various forums online and Hollywood short male celeb lists where 5'8/5'9 seems to be the "cut off." So that's why it was really important to me to be a solid 5'8". I know I'm thinking too much about it, but given all that I've sacrificed to do this LL (a sh*t ton of money, pain, time, etc), I really wanted this for myself.
But there's always the future. I may be doing external tibs someday, but only 2 inches max (maybe even a bit less) to keep my proportions relatively normal. I have to see how I feel once I'm recovered and fix my posture.
I appreciate you guys trying to cheer me up :)
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Yellowspike I'm sure you're gonna be a success just like shyshy.
Your recovery is important anyway, what kind of picture will we get if only the luckiest patients update their diaries?
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I really appreciate this - thank you MDoW :) It's just that I've had engrained into my head for so long that anything under 5'8" isn't acceptable. Even at my old height...I did pretty well with women. Through all my years of online dating (and pretty successful at it), whether for serious relationships or hookups, I kept seeing the lowest that these women demand is 5'8" (though most want 5'10" and up). But of course, I had to deal with comments from them and my friends on occassion. I'm not so much hung up on these hypothetical women per se, but the number is what got engrained into my head. I also would see many posts on various forums online and Hollywood short male celeb lists where 5'8/5'9 seems to be the "cut off." So that's why it was really important to me to be a solid 5'8". I know I'm thinking too much about it, but given all that I've sacrificed to do this LL (a sh*t ton of money, pain, time, etc), I really wanted this for myself.
There is a social difference between the system, like comparing 168cm and 183cm doesn't sound the same as 5'6" and 6ft. But for you metric sounds good because at least you are in the 170's.
I also had that problem on POF. When I wrote 5'6" I got almost very few replies that never turned into dates, but when I changed it to 5'8" then suddenly I got more replies and dates than I wanted before, even from girls that rejected me from before (they forgot my old height and didn't notice my changed height as I wear elevator shoes).
You are probably stuck on the 5'8" because maybe you are a goal-oriented person and we live in a capitalist world where numbers are very important even though it doesn't translate the same in real life.
As I said before you could look into Rolfing.
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Yellowspike I'm sure you're gonna be a success just like shyshy.
Your recovery is important anyway, what kind of picture will we get if only the luckiest patients update their diaries?
Except, I'm not. I'm not a success, because I didn't reach my goal (at least, I'm not at all confident that I did). Like w1998 suggested, I'm a very type-A goal oriented person. It's killing me that I didn't reach my goal. And it nauseates me to think that I now have to do a second LL...
You guys are very lucky to have such great starting heights. My genetics f*cked me over twice now.
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twice?
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Except, I'm not. I'm not a success, because I didn't reach my goal (at least, I'm not at all confident that I did). Like w1998 suggested, I'm a very type-A goal oriented person. It's killing me that I didn't reach my goal. And it nauseates me to think that I now have to do a second LL...
Who knows maybe those few mm that you didn't get would have opened the floodgates for complications and even worse recovery. Almost every LLer that lengthened big has mentioned how they wished they did less and it could have been you — Leechlet (the guy you mentioned who inspired you) said that less is better in one of his now-deleted youtube videos. Even Apo who was obsessed and encouraged over lengthening now tells everyone to not lengthen too much and "not to be too greedy".
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Stop this rubbish mate, you're starting to sound like ItsMyLife the way you're obsessing about nothing.
Your goal was 173CM wasn't it? So then you reached it, this is just the post-LL blues.
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Who knows maybe those few mm that you didn't get would have opened the floodgates for complications and even worse recovery. Almost every LLer that lengthened big has mentioned how they wished they did less and it could have been you — Leechlet (the guy you mentioned who inspired you) said that less is better in one of his now-deleted youtube videos. Even Apo who was obsessed and encouraged over lengthening now tells everyone to not lengthen too much and "not to be too greedy".
Appreciate the kind words. I had no choice, Dr. G told me to stop, and even if he didn't, clicking had become excruciatingly painful when it wasn't painful at all previously
Still, it just doesn't change the way I feel. I really wanted to close the door on this forever, but since I'm not happy, I feel like I will still have height neurosis. And as we all know, the only way to get taller is to do the horrible process we all know as LL. I just don't know logistically when I could take more time off from work to do another one of these. I thought about re-breaking my femurs next year, but then my proportions would look terrible. So my only options is tibias at this point, which I really did not want to do. FML...
Stop this rubbish mate, you're starting to sound like ItsMyLife the way you're obsessing about nothing.
Your goal was 173CM wasn't it? So then you reached it, this is just the post-LL blues.
I know I'm obsessing, but you wouldn't understand. You already are a decent height, taller than I ever will be. I'm very goal oriented, and really wanted to be a solid 172.72 at night. I'm borderline at best, and terrified of shrinking below it. You'll see - if you ever do LL, for all you sacrifice - you want your goal.
Anyway - I'm going to just focus on recovery for now. I've been walking more, and it's improving. So I guess that's something to be happy about. I just feel like I can't move forward knowing that I didn't finish what I set out to do, but I will keep going.
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You were short before and now you're not.
Also Dr G. doesn't mention what height you can achieve right? He's the "we'll see' type due to the uncertain nature of CLL. You shouldn't have had any goals in the first place. You made it to average height and don't stand out, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that was your reason for doing CLL.
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You were short before and now you're not.
Also Dr G. doesn't mention what height you can achieve right? He's the "we'll see' type due to the uncertain nature of CLL. You shouldn't have had any goals in the first place. You made it to average height and don't stand out, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that was your reason for doing CLL.
Yes, you are right on both accounts. He will tell you a range that you can probably expect, and I fell into that range (actually, towards the higher end of it). So I suppose I shouldn't complain too much.
Well, average is 5'9.5" for my country (maybe higher for my age group, I don't know), so I'm still short. And that's fine, I knew I was still gonna be short after just one LL. I've already said several times why 5'8" meant a lot to me, but it is what it is.
You mentioned rolfing...is that legit at all? If I could find a way to squeeze out another .5-1 inch without LL, it would be amazing. I just don't think it's possible, or at least I'm very skeptical. A few have mentioned glucoasmine and inversion, but that would only be temporary.
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My dad stopped by to bring some documents I need to file some insurance claims. He insisted on measuring me (I said no at first). He had me at almost 5'8.25" (it's 5pm in the evening here), so maybe my mini breakdown was premature. I told him that I'm done measuring myself, and I don't want to be measured anymore, at least not until my back is fixed. Like the wise MDoW said to me once, we have a "range" of heights. My ex roommate (who knew about my height neurosis) even once said "no one knows exactly how tall they are."
Time to stop measuring/obsessing and focus on recovery/walking. So thankful I don't have to click anymore...even if Dr. G didn't explicitly say "stop" like he did today, I really doubt I had it in me to click anymore.
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Yes, you are right on both accounts. He will tell you a range that you can probably expect, and I fell into that range (actually, towards the higher end of it). So I suppose I shouldn't complain too much.
Well, average is 5'9.5" for my country (maybe higher for my age group, I don't know), so I'm still short. And that's fine, I knew I was still gonna be short after just one LL. I've already said several times why 5'8" meant a lot to me, but it is what it is.
You mentioned rolfing...is that legit at all? If I could find a way to squeeze out another .5-1 inch without LL, it would be amazing. I just don't think it's possible, or at least I'm very skeptical. A few have mentioned glucoasmine and inversion, but that would only be temporary.
Below the discrete numerical average is not short. Average should be considered a range, not a discrete number. Average in the US is probably 5' 8" to 5' 11" so you are not short.
I am in the same boat as you with the glucosamine and inversion. 1 CM more nighttime height is HUGE (keeping my fingers crossed this summer)
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Below the discrete numerical average is not short. Average should be considered a range, not a discrete number. Average in the US is probably 5' 8" to 5' 11" so you are not short.
I am in the same boat as you with the glucosamine and inversion. 1 CM more nighttime height is HUGE (keeping my fingers crossed this summer)
Well, that's why I've been so obsessive over 5'8" or not. That seems to be the cutoff. But regardless of what my actual height down to the millimeter is, I feel like I can at least comfortably say "I'm 5'8". Hell, I used to sometimes get away with saying I was 5'7" when I was a little over 5'5" lol. But your observation is exactly why I'm so fixated on this number, but I'm trying not to be. If there was a legit one way to increase night height by 1CM, I'd get on that right away just to get more safely into the range I want and not be borderline.
If my duckass even gives me 3-5mm, that will get me exactly where I wanted to be. Here's to hoping!
And by the way, you aren't short, new heights :)
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me too want an exact number , for me in a man to be below 172cm is just inaceptable.
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Due to bone compression during consolidation and the natural curvature of your bone, 7cm of lengthening doesn't equate to 7cm in solid height gain. To be sure of 7cm of height gain, you need at least 7.5cm of lengthening.
I had 8.2cm going into the operating table. The doc cut it off to 8cm. My starting height was 169.5. Theoretically, I should get 177.5cm (169.5+8cm). However, while my morning now is only 177cm, at night I'm 176cm. Don't feel too bad. Sweden's case is worst... along with some other guys which I will not mention...lol
Well, I'm all about achieving goals. My favourite author is Machiavelli, where the ends justifies the means.
Your biggest enemy now is pain. The distance you have between yourself and your goal is 1cm (I don't know how much exactly). Just remember that pain is temporary and height is permanent. What you do now will affects the rest of your life. You can always be generous with the pain meds. Pain is just a state of mind but height is real.
If you must, bite on to a stick while making that click. Think about all the thoughts where height has hold you back in life.... about the bitch who rejected you for whatever reason. Whatever you do, the moment is now. If you fail to reach that height gain and have your bone consolidate, then you will have to accept either not reaching your height goal or have to consider an additional LL down the road.
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Due to bone compression during consolidation and the natural curvature of your bone, 7cm of lengthening doesn't equate to 7cm in solid height gain. To be sure of 7cm of height gain, you need at least 7.5cm of lengthening.
I had 8.2cm going into the operating table. The doc cut it off to 8cm. My starting height was 169.5. Theoretically, I should get 177.5cm (169.5+8cm). However, while my morning now is only 177cm, at night I'm 176cm. Don't feel too bad. Sweden's case is worst... along with some other guys which I will not mention...lol
Well, I'm all about achieving goals. My favourite author is Machiavelli, where the ends justifies the means.
Your biggest enemy now is pain. The distance you have between yourself and your goal is 1cm (I don't know how much exactly). Just remember that pain is temporary and height is permanent. What you do now will affects the rest of your life. You can always be generous with the pain meds. Pain is just a state of mind but height is real.
If you must, bite on to a stick while making that click. Think about all the thoughts where height has hold you back in life.... about the bitch who rejected you for whatever reason. Whatever you do, the moment is now. If you fail to reach that height gain and have your bone consolidate, then you will have to accept either not reaching your height goal or have to consider an additional LL down the road.
My doctor told me stop, so I have to stop. The femur angle really doesn't affect it too much, to be honest. And I don't believe compression is much of a risk with internal nails. I'm not saying it's not possible, but that's more the case for externals where compression loss happens. And with the Gnail, apparently you gain slightly more height than what you click (I've read number of diaries where this was the case, and Dr G has reiterated this to me several times).
I was told explicitly not to click anymore. I had only planned on doing a few more mm, and I'm not sure it's worth the potential risks. It's already been close to a month side I clicked so the point is probably moot.
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Smallguy you lost .5CM? That's not so bad.
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Hey YellowSpike I think your getting into that obsessive mental state where it is hard to take a step back and look at things objectively. I know how you feel
I had the same obsession when I used to get bad acne.
You have had a very good gain. If you did tibia from your starting height you'll then have to deal with a whole lot of proportion issues which I'm sure you want to avoid.
7cm is an excellent for femur and you did the best that you possibly could given the circumstances. That is all anyone can do.
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Hey YellowSpike I think your getting into that obsessive mental state where it is hard to take a step back and look at things objectively. I know how you feel
I had the same obsession when I used to get bad acne.
You have had a very good gain. If you did tibia from your starting height you'll then have to deal with a whole lot of proportion issues which I'm sure you want to avoid.
7cm is an excellent for femur and you did the best that you possibly could given the circumstances. That is all anyone can do.
Thank you very much for your support. I know I'm obsessing, and I know I have to stop.
Yeah, I was only 166cm starting height. The only thing now is that if I ever did tibias, I'd do 1.5 inches max, maybe even just an inch! The only question is, would that be worth it (cost, time, pain, etc.). I think once I'm recovered I'll feel a lot better.
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My doctor told me stop, so I have to stop. The femur angle really doesn't affect it too much, to be honest. And I don't believe compression is much of a risk with internal nails. I'm not saying it's not possible, but that's more the case for externals where compression loss happens. And with the Gnail, apparently you gain slightly more height than what you click (I've read number of diaries where this was the case, and Dr G has reiterated this to me several times).
I was told explicitly not to click anymore. I had only planned on doing a few more mm, and I'm not sure it's worth the potential risks. It's already been close to a month side I clicked so the point is probably moot.
Damn, I guess I was late for repping the motivation speech. I should have done it a month ago :D
Btw, 5'8 is not a bad height living in America. It's quite close to average. If you step outside, of course, there will men who are taller than you (around 55%) but there will also be men who are shorter than you (45%).
Height neurosis can affect anyone.. even tall people though I personally think that there is some other factors involved for tall people. But I think the biggest joy from increasing in height is not about the final height itself, it's about the change in perspective. Even though you may think you are short numerically wise, but this surgery has done more for you than any already tall people. Once you come back home, you no longer have to contend with the discrimination and issues you have previously.
In the morning, you can wake up and feel great about yourself. Life will be awesome from this point here.
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You mentioned rolfing...is that legit at all? If I could find a way to squeeze out another .5-1 inch without LL, it would be amazing. I just don't think it's possible, or at least I'm very skeptical. A few have mentioned glucoasmine and inversion, but that would only be temporary.
My height is 169 now after I finished my last rolfing session this morning and measuring my height at the gym. If you ever look at the backs of football (soccer) players then you would see that they are straight as fk even when running or leaning, gaining maximum upper body height.
It feels slightly similar to chiro but less dramatic per session and my back is definitely straighter which explains the 1cm and that I don't have to 'remember' to straighten my back (maybe I was a few mm taller than 168 before but no way 169).
Maybe after you are 100% recovered you could go for it. After seeing your pics your back definitely looks fked, I'd be surprised if you didn't get a few mm after full rolfing, it could be your answer after trying everything else. If it doesn't work then at least it would have improved your general posture, even without the height I must say that I feel taller.
(http://www.yogahighlands.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Before-After.gif)
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Smallguy you lost .5CM? That's not so bad.
Yeah I did. It's the reality of LL. For various reasons (bone compression, bone curvature, overestimation, etc.), people get less than what they lengthen. So it's good to be conservative and measure downward if you could, then you won't have the possibility of getting disappointed by the result.
I also didn't do purely external. We had LON where we also get the IM nail inserted into our tibias.
I'm sure there will be a way of naturally increasing our height by 1CM in the next few years, I'm counting on it.
It's already here. It's called positive thinking and keeping your back straight. If you ever video yourself, you'll be amazed by how much height you lose just by drooping your back :D
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My height is 169 now after I finished my last rolfing session this morning and measuring my height at the gym. If you ever look at the backs of football (soccer) players then you would see that they are straight as fk even when running or leaning, gaining maximum upper body height.
It feels slightly similar to chiro but less dramatic per session and my back is definitely straighter which explains the 1cm and that I don't have to 'remember' to straighten my back (maybe I was a few mm taller than 168 before but no way 169).
Maybe after you are 100% recovered you could go for it. After seeing your pics your back definitely looks fked, I'd be surprised if you didn't get a few mm after full rolfing, it could be your answer after trying everything else. If it doesn't work then at least it would have improved your general posture, even without the height I must say that I feel taller.
(http://www.yogahighlands.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Before-After.gif)
Yeah I will probably look into this. When I was doing LL in London, I met periodically with an osteopath at the isokinetic center. She even at one point said something to the effect of "whatever cm you may not gain from this surgery, I can probably get you an additional cm just from messing around with your back." Even Dr. G during my consolation briefly questioned whether or not my spine was straight, but he then ruled out scoliosis (thank God). So I'm wondering if maybe my spine, while I don't have scoliosis, could be improved somewhat.
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Oh yeah after looking up Inversion I wanted to mention that I tried something very similar before and it didn't do jack crap apart from making we want to vomit. Actually I feel dizzy just looking at it. I'm watching a youtube video and everyone is like "my bf gained 2 inches", omfg that's hilarious looks like I don't need CLL ;/
Btw thanks for making your diary. I'm already feeling my heart beating faster the moment I emailed Dr. G, knowing that its going to start for me soon and diaries like yours give us confidence and will relieve any surprises. I think it'll be like making a movie off of a script.
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Oh yeah after looking up Inversion I wanted to mention that I tried something very similar before and it didn't do jack crap apart from making we want to vomit. Actually I feel dizzy just looking at it. I'm watching a youtube video and everyone is like "my bf gained 2 inches", omfg that's hilarious looks like I don't need CLL ;/
Yeah I remember as a teenager I thought stretching would actually increase height. Oh, I was so gullible back then. Unfortunately, CLL is the only way to do it. Although I do believe that rolfing and glucosamine can help not to make you taller, but maximize your potential height (and help you retain it a bit longer throughout the day). That's kinda cool.
And yeah, my back is messed up right now. When I walk without crutches, I can feel how tight it is. Just gotta keep working at it!
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help you retain it a bit longer throughout the day). That's kinda cool.
Oh no thats not rolfing. You do rolfing over 10 sessions in like 2-4 months and it can last for several years.
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Oh no thats not rolfing. You do rolfing over 10 sessions in like 2-4 months and it can last for several years.
Can you please explain what rofling is or send instructions on how to do it? Sounds kinda interesting
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Can you please explain what rofling is or send instructions on how to do it? Sounds kinda interesting
Nobody here listens to the Joe Rogan Experience? Joe rogan is the guy from fear factor, a famous comedian and now a UFC commentator (seriously nobody here has heard of him?!?!?) and does a podcast that talks about cool junk and often steers into physical improvement like sensory deprivation tanks, things you can get only overseas and he mentioned rolfing many times.
Look up rolfing on google, it's not an exercise haha.
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I'm optimistic there will be some kind of supplement or whatever that'll give us another 1-2CM. I mean how fukking hard can it be?
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I'm optimistic there will be some kind of supplement or whatever that'll give us another 1-2CM. I mean how fukking hard can it be?
Yea, it's called hgh, but seriously, it's very difficult after terminal height is reached.
Glucosamine is the only supplement that has ever been scientifically proven to increase height, and it was only by .4CM on average +/- .4CM standard deviation.
You can't easily tell the cartilage discs in the spine to "puff up". However, gluco's cartilage retention properties combined with inversion's spinal decompression properties.... you may have something there
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Nobody here listens to the Joe Rogan Experience? Joe rogan is the guy from fear factor, a famous comedian and now a UFC commentator (seriously nobody here has heard of him?!?!?) and does a podcast that talks about cool junk and often steers into physical improvement like sensory deprivation tanks, things you can get only overseas and he mentioned rolfing many times.
Look up rolfing on google, it's not an exercise haha.
I've heard of Joe Rogan. He did an interview with Stefan Molyneux a while back.
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Yea, it's called hgh, but seriously, it's very difficult after terminal height is reached.
Glucosamine is the only supplement that has ever been scientifically proven to increase height, and it was only by .4CM on average +/- .4CM standard deviation.
You can't easily tell the cartilage discs in the spine to "puff up". However, gluco's cartilage retention properties combined with inversion's spinal decompression properties.... you may have something there
It's impossible, everything is already fused. If you look into real studies on HGH you'll find that it doesn't really do jack crap unless you're in some sort of recovery or still in a growth phase, they should have used a different name for it. Same goes for any kind of stretching/inversion, once you stretch then gravity will just squish it all back down. Also I don't think anyone here (apart from myself) has tried it because if you did then you'd know about how it makes you nauseated and doesn't even give you temporary height.
"Glucosamine is the only supplement that has ever been scientifically proven to increase height" what studies are you reading? When you see it for sale (at a store or reputable online retailer) it is never advertised for that because it doesn't do that at all. It's something that may help joint/arthritis issues. Glucosamine has NOT been 'proven' to increase height.
Ok do this, measure yourself when you are slouching your back and then measure yourself when you straighten your back hard pressed against a wall (maybe have someone press your chest) and check the difference. But then again Rolfing isn't advertised as something that will make you taller so it's dependent on the person, I've always had a curved back. The only problem is the guy mentioned annual 'top ups' so I'm not sure how long this effect will last, £750-£900/yr seems expensive.
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It's impossible, everything is already fused. If you look into real studies on HGH you'll find that it doesn't really do jack crap unless you're in some sort of recovery or still in a growth phase, they should have used a different name for it. Same goes for any kind of stretching/inversion, once you stretch then gravity will just squish it all back down. Also I don't think anyone here (apart from myself) has tried it because if you did then you'd know about how it makes you nauseated and doesn't even give you temporary height.
"Glucosamine is the only supplement that has ever been scientifically proven to increase height" what studies are you reading? When you see it for sale (at a store or reputable online retailer) it is never advertised for that because it doesn't do that at all. It's something that may help joint/arthritis issues. Glucosamine has NOT been 'proven' to increase height.
Ok do this, measure yourself when you are slouching your back and then measure yourself when you straighten your back hard pressed against a wall (maybe have someone press your chest) and check the difference. But then again Rolfing isn't advertised as something that will make you taller so it's dependent on the person, I've always had a curved back. The only problem is the guy mentioned annual 'top ups' so I'm not sure how long this effect will last, £750-£900/yr seems expensive.
http://www.naturalheightgrowth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Glucosamine-Sulphate-on-Spinal-Height.pdf
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1-2CM in torso height is the DREAM.
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1-2CM in torso height is the DREAM.
It sure is. At the very least, would be nice to maintain our morning height throughout the day. I will definitely be looking into some of these ideas (glucoasmine, rolfing, pilates/yoga) and see how I do. Even 1 extra cm would be nice.
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I went back to my gym for the first time since I'd left to do LL back in November. It was a little weird being back. I remember just a few months ago, I felt this desperation and intense dread for knowing that I was going to do LL.
My gym has an elevator, so I took it right up to the main floor and hopped on the treadmill. I did about 40 or so minutes of walking (had to use the sides of the treadmill a good amount to balance myself), and today, my legs are in a good amount of pain (but it's a good pain). I still walk like a drunken penguin, but it's slowly improving (the penguin is slowly sobering up). I will walk more during my lunch break today. As I left, I ran into one of my lifting buddies. He noticed the crutches and asked what happened, and I recited the bowleg story. I think he's like 5'9-5'10", and I felt very close to eye level with him. That was cool.
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Nice, you'll be running around jumping on stuff in no time. I told you, the blues would lift now that you're taller.
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Thanks buddy :) I'm admittedly still somewhat ambivalent about my final height, but I'm fully committed to recovery, and I think the lingering ambivalence will get better as I recover and can actually enjoy the new height. Still have to straighten myself out too, my back is still pretty terrible. Gotta keep movin'!
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I think you'll feel better about the final height once you can go out and fully enjoy it. You're certainly taller than before, so you should definitely feel better in day-to-day life when it gets back to normal!
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I think you'll feel better about the final height once you can go out and fully enjoy it. You're certainly taller than before, so you should definitely feel better in day-to-day life when it gets back to normal!
I definitely do feel taller. Things in my apartment actually seem lower! I can almost see over my refrigerator and can reach the top shelves without standing on my tippy toes. lol. I'm just stupidly anal, and very goal oriented. So, being at exactly 5'8" in the evening before bed (which I am, according to latest measurements) is a tad unsettling only because I don't want to ever shrink below it. But then I remind myself of all the extra clicking I would have had to do (that I didn't even plan on) to get another quarter inch or whatever...probably not worth it, considering that clicking had become incredibly painful towards the end. I've now made a vow not to measure myself until my back is fixed, even though I'm not expecting more than a few mm from fixing it.
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you are now a solid 5´8 bro, you will feel much better when you start to do your normal social life and notice the real difference
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you are now a solid 5´8 bro, you will feel much better when you start to do your normal social life and notice the real difference
thanks buddy. I've had only a few tastes of how the new height will be socially...and it's pretty awesome :)
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thanks buddy. I've had only a few tastes of how the new height will be socially...and it's pretty awesome :)
That's nice to hear! Please keep us updated about your social interactions and how they are affected by your new height. That'd be so interesting to read about how your size actually changes stuff for you now (even if it's only mentally).
Wish you all the best!
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Thanks alittletooshort. I def will.
I actually just got in from "walking" (if you can call it that) outside. I can only do like half a block before I need to partially use my crutches, because it's still pretty tiring for me. I'm not sure if I should be focusing more on just walking a lot, or focusing on my form (not waddling like a penguin, which requires more effort on my part at the moment). Frustrating, but I know it'll get better in time. Even though I kinda wanted to lengthen a bit more, I can kinda see how maybe stopping per the doctor's orders may have been best. Recovery from the surgery is no joke.
I do notice that when I size up men who are walking towards me (and me, them), now even when they seem pretty tall from far away (and would almost always "beat" me when they actually got to me), I find that I'm beating and/or tying a good amount of them :)
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thanks buddy. I've had only a few tastes of how the new height will be socially...and it's pretty awesome :)
I'm really happy for you my friend. :) enjoy your newheight! it was a lot of hard work and dedication on your part.
Remember, you can always experiment with gluco if you want to squeeze out an extra CM, but you have already made a great improvement. Just try to enjoy what you have already done for a while and be worry free.
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I'm really happy for you my friend. :) enjoy your newheight! it was a lot of hard work and dedication on your part.
Remember, you can always experiment with gluco if you want to squeeze out an extra CM, but you have already made a great improvement. Just try to enjoy what you have already done for a while and be worry free.
Thank you very much! I can't wait to be walking better...I imagine I have a few weeks left of the penguin waddle. lol
If I'm being honest, I guess sometimes I get a bit jealous because some of you guys have really great starting heights (and *cough* don'tneedLL *cough* :) ), but we all want to be the best we can be, and I understand that. I have other things going for me, so I think my new height will be fine.
My doctor and PT seem to think I may get up to .5cm from fixing my duckass (which still looks the same), so that would be pretty cool. I'd love to squeeze out another cm in the future without LL lol
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I am definitely noticeably taller in the morning. Haven't measured my morning height (I seem to be at 5'8" on the dot right before bed time)...but I've noticed that I can fully see over the refrigerator top first thing in the AM, but not so much later on. Weird how noticeable that is to me! If taking gluco/yoga/rolfings would help me maintain some of my morning height, that would be pretty sweet.
On another note, my legs are so tired today...but gotta keep walkin'!
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How has total recovery been going? Do you still have a duck ass? Is there still lingering pain from the procedure?
I am set to get the procedure done next year with Dr. Paley and I wanted to know is there really immense pain during the lengthening phase, mainly? After how long does the pain become bearable? Besides shyshy is there someone that you know personally that want through procedure with you that is back to at least 90%?
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How has total recovery been going? Do you still have a duck ass? Is there still lingering pain from the procedure?
I am set to get the procedure done next year with Dr. Paley and I wanted to know is there really immense pain during the lengthening phase, mainly? After how long does the pain become bearable? Besides shyshy is there someone that you know personally that want through procedure with you that is back to at least 90%?
I only have some pain now after walking for a while, but it's getting better. I still walk like a penguin, but that's slowly improving too. Clicking was only painful for me around 7cm mark, it was never really painful before that. I had some bad knee pain throughout the lengthening process, but it's all gone now more or less.
And yes, I still have duckass, I probably will for a few more weeks at least.
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Just outta curiosity, I measured my out of bed height this morning at around 5'8.8" or something. Close to 5'9," that's kinda cool. Makes sense, because of my bedtime height seems to be just over 5'8" at 5'8.15". Pretty sure I'm measuring properly (Looking in a mirror, standing straight while looking forward, holding a box directly over my head, making sure the box isn't tilted, and making a line beneath it). It would be cool if glucosamine and yoga/rolfing could help me maintain my morning height longer throughout the day.
Walking is slowly improving. Today I have pain in my right knee, I guess from walking without crutches. No worries. It'll get better. It has to, I have no choice!
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Just outta curiosity, I measured my out of bed height this morning at around 5'8.8" or something. Close to 5'9," that's kinda cool. Makes sense, because of my bedtime height seems to be just over 5'8" at 5'8.15". Pretty sure I'm measuring properly (Looking in a mirror, standing straight while looking forward, holding a box directly over my head, making sure the box isn't tilted, and making a line beneath it). It would be cool if glucosamine and yoga/rolfing could help me maintain my morning height longer throughout the day.
Walking is slowly improving. Today I have pain in my right knee, I guess from walking without crutches. No worries. It'll get better. It has to, I have no choice!
Cool bro. You could say that you are 5'9 or at least 5'8 and a half. Thats a nice height
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Meh, I'm fine with saying 5'8" or "a little over 5'8" " just for sake of being conservative :)
This darn knee pain kinda sucks but I think it's muscular pain and just due to walking without crutches more.
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What does the doctor say about your progress so far? Also why didn't you go for more height like 8 cm?
How are others progress that started with you?
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What does the doctor say about your progress so far? Also why didn't you go for more height like 8 cm?
How are others progress that started with you?
I stopped at 7cm because the pain got really bad on my left leg and because the doctor told me to stop. I don't know anyone else that started with me, so can't really judge. As far as my progress, he says I'm doing well (though I find that hard to believe).
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Getting frustrated. I did the bike yesterday for almost an hour with higher resistance. Going to do it again today even though I'm in pain (I don't care). Walking is slightly better, but not much. I'm still embarrassed to be seen walking in public, and having to work all day and be at my computer is really hindering this. I don't see how others are able to walk so damn soon (unless they took off from work during the recovery phase as well). Walking is very frustrating and tiring and just plain horrible. Something so basic and so necessary...totally ruined.
Make no mistake, the worst part of LL is not the pain or lack of sleep (because those things eventually end, and pretty quickly)...it is by far the f*cking recovery phase. You're no longer enjoying the "magic" of getting taller, but you still can't enjoy your new height at all and you're basically a self-inflicted cripple. It royally blows. And I gotta get back to the office soon (even though they're telling me to take all the time I need, that's not how I feel).
Whatever...one day at a time...
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Have you been in touch with other femur patients?
They might help give you some perspective on what to expect.
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Have you been in touch with other femur patients?
They might help give you some perspective on what to expect.
I was under the impression that walking normally wouldn't take 5 years for femurs. I thought it would be a little faster than this. I've read many femur diaries, and it didn't seem to take this long. But they also probably had more time. I clearly underestimated how hard this would be based on those diaries.
Based on what a few have said, the only way is to just walk myself into the ground. Have to basically ignore the pain and embarrassment I guess.
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Is the pain normal then, what does your doctor think?
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Is the pain normal then, what does your doctor think?
The pain is normal, and I don't even care about the pain. I just want to f*cking walk normally again.
I wrote him today asking what I have to do to walk normally again. I'm not sure if I should be focusing on not waddling when I walk (which is harder and more tiring) or just walk a lot regardless of how bad it looks. Very, very frustrating...
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yellowsoike,
you complain too much... you had the surgery in dec... you wont be anle to walk normally until maybe dec.. look at what most other people say
not sure why you thought youd be ok by now
rgkey says hes still not 100%
my russian friend had surgery sept 2013.. hes ok now but says hes not 100% either
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Yeah I know - it was my mistake to underestimate the recovery. I read diaries like from OBG, ShyShy and ChrisIsaak (all internal femurs, RGKEY is tibias so can't compare apples to oranges), and they all seemed to walk pretty quickly.
Clearly LL is very individual and I made the mistake of relying on the diaries. I hope others don't do that. Don't assume you will be like anyone else, chances are you won't.
Anyway, I think I'm going to stop posting here for a good while and just not say anything until I've recovered (if that ever happens). I don't see any other point in being on here anymore.
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i used to read the diaries too... people seemed to be recovering quickly
after i get the surgery... all i hear( and experience) is that it takes 15 months or so to get back to normal
i think this timeline turns out to be more realistic..... it takes a while.. but it happens
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Yeah I know - it was my mistake to underestimate the recovery. I read diaries like from OBG, ShyShy and ChrisIsaak (all internal femurs, RGKEY is tibias so can't compare apples to oranges), and they all seemed to walk pretty quickly.
Clearly LL is very individual and I made the mistake of relying on the diaries. I hope others don't do that. Don't assume you will be like anyone else, chances are you won't.
Anyway, I think I'm going to stop posting here for a good while and just not say anything until I've recovered (if that ever happens). I don't see any other point in being on here anymore.
At this poin you're here for two reasons: first and foremost you need us for support and advice seeing as you have no contact with others who share your experience, second we need you to give us further insight into how the recovery process might pan out, how long it takes, what it looks like etc.
I would be very dissapointed and, quite frankly, let down if you left now.
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this quote
"Walking is very frustrating and tiring and just plain horrible. Something so basic and so necessary...totally ruined. "
its the same for all of us... walking should be something we do without thinking... but while recovering, it's definitely a workout..... eventually its supposed to be ok... everyone seems to go through this
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At this poin you're here for two reasons: first and foremost you need us for support and advice seeing as you have no contact with others who share your experience, second we need you to give us further insight into how the recovery process might pan out, how long it takes, what it looks like etc.
I would be very dissapointed and, quite frankly, let down if you left now.
Thanks pal. Don't worry, I fully intend to let everyone know when I actually recover. I just know that my posts now tend to sound negative, as I'm basically home all day alone with this issue (I work from home every day). Yeah, I still go out, but really can't have much of a social or dating life yet (well, except for that one girl I had over recently). I'm not a negative person as my posts may seem. I guess it's just harder than I expected, what can I say.
One positive thing - doing the bike with higher resistance seems to help. I'm walking around my apartment now, and I'm waddling a bit less (though walking is still quite an effort, and a bit painful at times). I will definitely be biking more on higher resistance in the coming days and weeks.
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Why don't you make a video and show us what it looks like, surely it can't be that bad?
Also, have you still got your "duckass", or is it gone by now?
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Thanks pal. Don't worry, I fully intend to let everyone know when I actually recover. I just know that my posts now tend to sound negative, as I'm basically home all day alone with this issue (I work from home every day). Yeah, I still go out, but really can't have much of a social or dating life yet (well, except for that one girl I had over recently). I'm not a negative person as my posts may seem. I guess it's just harder than I expected, what can I say.
One positive thing - doing the bike with higher resistance seems to help. I'm walking around my apartment now, and I'm waddling a bit less (though walking is still quite an effort, and a bit painful at times). I will definitely be biking more on higher resistance in the coming days and weeks.
HI YS
Please Keep update
You know what
your recovery is good
some people still cant walk at the same time as you
You started walking so early compare with others
I know it hard and frustrating
but keep update to inspire all of us
all of your story benefit all of us
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I'll make a video of my walking in a few weeks. I'd like it to improve a bit before then.
I think my duckass has improved a bit (maybe?), but it's still there. It's probably roughly the same. When I lay down on a flat surface or back against the wall, I can still feel it's there. I feel like the more correct term for it now would be anterior pelvic tilt (makes me look like I have a belly). Wonder if it's hiding a few mm of height...
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It makes you look like a posing teenager with a beer-gut honestly but it does seem to be improving. Another month and you'll be rid of that crap.
It might hide a few mm but not a whole CM.
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lol yeah that's pretty accurate. I don't have a gut. When I sit down, my stomach is mostly flat.
Yeah, I'm not expecting more than .5cm (5mm) at most. Maybe 2-3mm, so like 10% of an inch about lol
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There's a swedish expression "alla bäckar små" it means "every small stream" -basically every little thing helps.
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You are the coolest Swede ever! And yeah, I agree - I honestly would be very happy with 10% of an inch (like 2.5-3mm). I guess we will see.
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But you do realize that you won't notice it anyway, right?
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But you do realize that you won't notice it anyway, right?
Of course. It won't be noticeable, and probably not even measurable per se, since it's nearly impossible to know your exact height (trust me, I know this now lol). All I know now is I'm like 5'8.75" or something in the morning, and then right around 5'8" before bedtime. So I guess that's fine!
I do intend to try yoga/gluco/rolfing in the future though.
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mmm, so thats what duck ass is
honestly... looks like ur trying to stick your ass out, like a kardashian would...
where do u experience discomfort when you walk
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You'll probably make it to 175CM morning height then, perhaps you'll manage to gain an extra CM who knows?
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try to make a video walking... ill make one now
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mmm, so thats what duck ass is
honestly... looks like ur trying to stick your ass out, like a kardashian would...
where do u experience discomfort when you walk
Funny you mention that. I used have a great ass, if I do say so myself (that's the first thing I'm working on once I go back to the gym).
When I walk, I feel pain around my knees, and sometimes my lower back. But mostly around my knees. But it's not too terrible and nothing I can't handle. I'm just more frustrated with the waddling, but I do think continuing to bike at a higher resistance will help
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try to make a video walking... ill make one now
If i Make a video now, it would just be me pointing the camera down to my feet. I don't have anyone else to film me, and I'd need a hockey mask (waves at Sweden) or something. lol
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With femurs internal and weight bearing and only 5cm you should walk normal After 5 months
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ill post now... just to give an idea... i still need my leg realigned badly... it will give an idea of my speed
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Funny you mention that. I used have a great ass, if I do say so myself (that's the first thing I'm working on once I go back to the gym).
Make a video of you shaking your goods and I might paypal you a dollar, slut.
Seriously though, don't point the camera down, just put it on the floor so half your torso will be visible in frame.
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ok... just tried to post a video... but impossible... only is 1 min and 17 seconds but the site wont allow it
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and this guy that says u should be fine after 5 months.... i dont buy that...lenghten, consolidate then fully recovered in 5 months???
it takes longer than just to consolidate fully..
btw, my walking speed with bad leg is currently around 3 km/h
needs to be about 5 to be normal... hopefully not sure what yours is
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I think my duckass has improved a bit (maybe?), but it's still there. It's probably roughly the same. When I lay down on a flat surface or back against the wall, I can still feel it's there. I feel like the more correct term for it now would be anterior pelvic tilt (makes me look like I have a belly). Wonder if it's hiding a few mm of height...
It looks to have improved. Just keep stretching and give it time.
ok... just tried to post a video... but impossible... only is 1 min and 17 seconds but the site wont allow it
You can put the video on photobucket or something and then paste the link here.
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How have you been?
Please update
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How have you been?
Please update
Ey, Not too bad. Been busy around the house, taking the boys to ballet practice, surfing, eating pork chops....
You know, the usual....
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Hi everyone. Not much going on. Yesterday was exactly 4 months post-op for me. Walking is getting a bit better, but still takes great effort to walk straight (I can't do it without thinking about it yet). Duckass is still there. I have noticed that my femurs/thighs are starting to fill out and look a bit thicker than they did weeks ago. I'm 100% off crutches around my house, but still need them when I go outside and/or do stairs, but I move lightning fast on crutches now lol
I am hoping that I'll be off crutches entirely or very close to it in the next month or so. I really want to make some moves in my life and I definitely want to enjoy summer!
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That's great that your femurs are starting to fill up! I hope your ass starts getting shape back too. Keep us informed and good luck! :)
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What are you doing to speed up your recovery?
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I've just been trying to walk as much as I can. Right now, that just basically means I'm full-time off crutches around my apartment. I imagine I still have at least a few weeks of funny walking left, but it is getting better. My legs are starting to feel stronger, like their old selves. I've also been taking fully-standing showers for weeks now (I had safety bar installed that I hold onto just to be safe).
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I've just been trying to walk as much as I can. Right now, that just basically means I'm full-time off crutches around my apartment. I imagine I still have at least a few weeks of funny walking left, but it is getting better. My legs are starting to feel stronger, like their old selves. I've also been taking fully-standing showers for weeks now (I had safety bar installed that I hold onto just to be safe).
Das it mane. A common theme among patients is that there is a strong correllation between walking and recovering.
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I've just been trying to walk as much as I can. Right now, that just basically means I'm full-time off crutches around my apartment. I imagine I still have at least a few weeks of funny walking left, but it is getting better. My legs are starting to feel stronger, like their old selves. I've also been taking fully-standing showers for weeks now (I had safety bar installed that I hold onto just to be safe).
How were you taking showers in the beginning phase of LL? Were you sitting?
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How were you taking showers in the beginning phase of LL? Were you sitting?
Yes, I was sitting until about 6 weeks ago when I stopped clicking. I probably could have stood, but was afraid to. My legs actually feel stronger now, so I'm less scared, plus I had the safety bar installed anyway.
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I see you're well on the way to recovery, Yellowspike! Well done!
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Walking is improving. I still waddle, but less so. Have bad hip pain on right side due to one of the screws, but I can deal with that. X-rays last night showed great progress...I believe my right leg is fused, my left leg not too far behind. It kinda explains why the left leg has so much pain towards the end...it was excruciating, when clicking for me was perviously pain-free!
Here are my proportions after ~7cm of lengthening. I have thick legs, which is good, because it hides the somewhat longer femurs. And they'll get even thicker as I recover more. I'm actually strongly considering doing a femur re-break next year and adding on another inch (the rods inside have another 2.5-3cm or so). I want an extra inch as a buffer because we shrink as we get older...so 5'9" to me is safer. Tibias are not likely an option for me. I really don't want to do another full-blown LL, and tibias just take way, way too long (even 1 inch would take like 5 months I hear). If I did the femur re-break for another inch, I think I'd be walking like a month after surgery (rods are weight bearing), and I should consolidate quicker for an inch I would think/hope. Gotta love how my cat photo-bombed the second pic, she's such a ham 8)
My femurs will probably look pretty long and somewhat out of proportion after another inch, but I feel like that would only be visible if I were nked with a girl and she REALLY fixated on it. I don't plan on telling future women about LL, so if they ever commented, I would always joke that I'm some kind of mutant with super long femurs lol
Depending on the cost, I think it would be worth it. When I wake up at almost 5'9" in the morning, I definitely appear taller even to myself. I do believe it will be noticeable.
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2d9dzxh.jpg)
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Looks really good and amazingly natural. I swear, unless you told me, based on the pics of your legs, I would have no idea you did CLL
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Looks really good and amazingly natural. I swear, unless you told me, based on the pics of your legs, I would have no idea you did CLL
Thanks. I think my proportions now are fine. With another inch, it would probably look a little weird. But as long as I keep my legs filled out (my legs are thick naturally), I don't see how another inch would throw them off so much. And then I'd be a solid 5'9," which to me is enough where I think I'd be set. I'm happy with 5'8", but it's still a little too borderline for me. I worry about shrinking below it.
The idea of tibias is appealing, but externals take too long, and even if I want to risk knee pain with internals, they are SO...expensive.
Also wondering if anyone leaves the rods in permanently. I think Sweden said he was gonna, but those were for tibias (not sure if femurs would be any different). I can actually afford to do an internal tibia LL with even Dr Paley right now...but I'm looking to buy property in the next 2-3 years, so I'm trying to bargain by maybe doing the femur rebreak but then leave the rods in to save money? I don't know how safe that is...sucks the damn removal surgery is like 15K or something...such bs.
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hey yellow i think that your proportions look fine right now , one inch more is pushing it but maybe you could do it if you accept to have very long femurs.
I think that you could go to a cheaper doctor to do the nail removal and you could earn money .
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hey yellow i think that your proportions look fine right now , one inch more is pushing it but maybe you could do it if you accept to have very long femurs.
I think that you could go to a cheaper doctor to do the nail removal and you could earn money .
Yeah I think another inch is pushing it...I have to think about it. It's just sooo much easier and faster than doing tibias. Plus, when I think about it, some people who are really short have done like 10cm with Guichet or Betz...I would have done around 9cm in total...yeah my femurs would look long, but I don't think ridiculously so (where they're perfectly fine right now).
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Pretty sure people in US can get the nails out using insurance through Dr. R in NY.
I'm confused, are you considering more ll? Your proportions could certainly handle it fine.
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Pretty sure people in US can get the nails out using insurance through Dr. R in NY.
I'm confused, are you considering more ll? Your proportions could certainly handle it fine.
Yeah I'm strongly considering Dr. Rozbruch for that. I think my insurance would cover it, hopefully. Have to ask him. He once told me it likely would.
Yes - I'm thinking of re-breaking my femurs in about a year/year and a half to lengthen one more inch to 5'9". I had to stop at 7cm because Dr. G told me to. The pain got really terrible, unbearable almost, and my left leg wasn't healing that great at the time.
I'd prefer to do tibias in a perfect world for better proportions, but they just take way too long, and I don't want to do another full-blown LL (at least the femur rods are already inside, so I'd imagine it'd be a less invasive surgery). I don't think one more inch on my femurs would make me look that weird, especially once I fill out more (My legs are actually THIN for me right now lol)
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Based on those pictures you don't seem disproportional at all. If that's what it looks like IRL then you could lengthen another 5CM and still look good.
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Based on those pictures you don't seem disproportional at all. If that's what it looks like IRL then you could lengthen another 5CM and still look good.
Appreciate it bud. Nah, I think another inch is the absolute max before they'd look too long...plus, the Gnails inside my femurs probably only have like 2.5-2.7cm or so left on em (even though I did 7cm, it may have distracted up to like 7.3ish cm I'm led to believe). If anything, I'd just do a solid inch and call it a day. Should be a faster recovery too.
Tibias just take too damn long. Plus, I broke my left ankle twice in my life, and tibias just seem more risky to me...and external frames (to avoid knee pain) really turn me off...
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Wow, your proportions look great! Thanks for keeping us updated!
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Well perhaps, the picture is taken at an angle but that's almost what my legs look like.
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Well perhaps, the picture is taken at an angle but that's almost what my legs look like.
LL has actually improved my proportions as far as legs to torso. When I wear a button down shirt and don't tuck it in, I look fantastic whereas previously, I'd be swimming in it. Even when I tuck my shirt in, I look fine.
My only slight concern is taking the easy road and doing another inch on my femurs might kinda screw up my femur/tibia ratio...but I have thick/muscular legs, so it should somewhat mask that. Plus, that's only visible when you're nked with a chick. So I feel like the relatively easy extra inch from just re-breaking the femurs and using the nails already inside for another inch could be worth it.
Tibias are a whole different beast that I'm not sure I want to mess with...if they didn't take as long, I'd consider them. But even an inch takes like 5 months, which is bs. And internal tibias are crazy expensive...not to mention the knee pain risk.
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LL has actually improved my proportions as far as legs to torso. When I wear a button down shirt and don't tuck it in, I look fantastic whereas previously, I'd be swimming in it. Even when I tuck my shirt in, I look fine.
My only slight concern is taking the easy road and doing another inch on my femurs might kinda screw up my femur/tibia ratio...but I have thick/muscular legs, so it should somewhat mask that. Plus, that's only visible when you're nked with a chick. So I feel like the relatively easy extra inch from just re-breaking the femurs and using the nails already inside for another inch could be worth it.
Tibias are a whole different beast that I'm not sure I want to mess with...if they didn't take as long, I'd consider them. But even an inch takes like 5 months, which is bs. And internal tibias are crazy expensive...not to mention the knee pain risk.
It's not worth it, man. Enjoy your new height! Stop getting caught up in this numbers game. Don't forget that time is a limited resource as well! Don't waste it being handicap for half a year just because of some numbers. Wear some shoe lifts and call it 5'10. Done deal.
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It's not worth it, man. Enjoy your new height! Stop getting caught up in this numbers game. Don't forget that time is a limited resource as well! Don't waste it being handicap for half a year just because of some numbers. Wear some shoe lifts and call it 5'10. Done deal.
You're gonna see after you do LL...don't assume that your final height will be enough to completely satisfy you. I used to not be able to fathom why guys who are already 5'8" (my low evening height is 5'8" on the dot) would want to do LL...now I totally get it. 5'8" is sure an improvement from where I was, but the rods still have an inch on them. And depending on the cost of the re-break surgery and estimated time to squeeze out one more inch, I do believe it's worth it. In the morning when I wake up close to 5'9" right out of bed, I actually do look and feel taller. I can also afford the extra surgery because I'm likely going to save some money by getting the rods removed with a different doctor other than Guichet (since Guichet I don't believe will be able to use my insurance, but have to ask him). I know Dr. R said he'd remove them for me and he said usually insurance covers the removal under him. So the money I save on the removal can go towards the re-break. The only sucky part is the time factor, but I would imagine it would be significantly easier and faster for 1 inch as opposed to 2.75 inches I just did.
I absolutely hate wearing lifts. They just make you feel worse about yourself, and you always feel super short when they come off. And there's always the risk of bringing a girl home and having her catch you, which would be a major turn off. Lifts really don't do much good, unless you're a Hollywood celeb lol.
All this being said - I am still recovering. Maybe I will eventually come to be ok with 5'8", especially as I'm back to my routine (gym, going out, steady women/dating, etc.). But, as everyone who has done LL before me has warned...height gain is VERY addictive. You do this once, you survive, and you realize "wow, I actually CAN change my height"...and for me, one more inch on the rods that already inside should (at least in theory) be a piece of cake compared to what I just did.
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You're gonna see after you do LL...don't assume that your final height will be enough to completely satisfy you. I used to not be able to fathom why guys who are already 5'8" (my low evening height is 5'8" on the dot) would want to do LL...now I totally get it. 5'8" is sure an improvement from where I was, but the rods still have an inch on them. And depending on the cost of the re-break surgery and estimated time to squeeze out one more inch, I do believe it's worth it. In the morning when I wake up close to 5'9" right out of bed, I actually do look and feel taller. I can also afford the extra surgery because I'm likely going to save some money by getting the rods removed with a different doctor other than Guichet (since Guichet I don't believe will be able to use my insurance, but have to ask him). I know Dr. R said he'd remove them for me and he said usually insurance covers the removal under him. So the money I save on the removal can go towards the re-break. The only sucky part is the time factor, but I would imagine it would be significantly easier and faster for 1 inch as opposed to 2.75 inches I just did.
I absolutely hate wearing lifts. They just make you feel worse about yourself, and you always feel super short when they off. And there's always the risk of bringing a girl home and having her catch you, which would be a major turn off. Lifts really don't do much good, unless you're a Hollywood celeb lol.
All this being said - I am still recovering. Maybe I will eventually come to be ok with 5'8", especially as I'm back to my routine (gym, going out, steady women/dating, etc.). But, as everyone who has done LL before me has warned...height gain is VERY addictive. You do this once, you survive, and you realize "wow, I actually CAN change my height"...and for me, one more inch on the rods that already inside should (at least in theory) be a piece of cake compared to what I just did.
Yellow, I just want to warn you that the numbers game trap might never end. I'm a tad over 5' 9" at night, and always said I wouldn't have any height neurosis at 5' 10", but in reality, it is hard to predict, especially because this is mental as much as physical. 5' 8" is in the "normal club" where you won't be considered short, but would you really feel that much different at 5' 9"?
This is a tough one, but I'm facing a similar situation as you are, just that I'm an inch taller. I "think" that extra inch would would make a huge difference, but when it's all said and done, who knows. My MIND might still be messed up at 5' 10"...
Hitting 5' 10" from gluco, inversion, and correcting muscular imbalances would be sweet, but I may be in the same mental state I'm in right now.
And as for the lifts thing.. I see it a either a way to gain some extra height, or to test what it will feel like to be a certain height. You could try 1.5" lifts to test out the 5' 9" to 5' 10" range
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Yellow, I just want to warn you that the numbers game trap might never end. I'm a tad over 5' 9" at night, and always said I wouldn't have any height neurosis at 5' 10", but in reality, it is hard to predict, especially because this is mental as much as physical. 5' 8" is in the "normal club" where you won't be considered short, but would you really feel that much different at 5' 9"?
This is a tough one, but I'm facing a similar situation as you are, just that I'm an inch taller. I "think" that extra inch would would make a huge difference, but when it's all said and done, who knows. My MIND might still be messed up at 5' 10"...
Hitting 5' 10" from gluco, inversion, and correcting muscular imbalances would be sweet, but I may be in the same mental state I'm in right now.
The only reason I'm seriously considering this is because I think since the rods are already inside, surgery should be less invasive, and it should be a faster recovery for only 1 inch. And as you said, 5'8" and above is fine...but my evening height is like 5'8" on the dot, maybe a tad over. That's what scares me. Is a girl going to not be interested in me if I were 2mm below 5'8"? No, of course not. I just don't want to ever measure below it. I guess it's a phobia at this point.
I'll likely never be fully satisfied with my height (whatever height I may end up at, unless I were like 5'10"+, probably not going to happen, which is fine)...and I'll probably never do a tibia LL, because I don't want to mess with them or do another full blown LL. But if I can get one more inch fairly easily and quickly from maxing out the Gnail...why not? I think I'd feel some more closure too, from the knowledge that I maxed out the Gnail (even though it would have taken two surgeries to do).
Tibias just aren't for me I don't think.
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According to Dr. G, my right leg is fused completely and my left leg is very close to it. Good news!
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According to Dr. G, my right leg is fused completely and my left leg is very close to it. Good news!
yeah bro, thats great, i think you will be recovered pretty soon
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yeah bro, thats great, i think you will be recovered pretty soon
I hope so bro! he said it's still gonna take me a few months to get completely normal again...at this point, I just want to not waddle like a duck when I walk. Although it's better than what it was...he said I can begin to job now, but I just laughed because I still can't even walk totally normal.
Dr. G just told me to do another inch would only take like 2.5-3 weeks...although he said I may not want to do it once I've fully recovered. We will see! After talking with Dr. R recently, I'm confident I can get the insurance to cover the rod removal...so I have some extra money to play around with to do the femur rebreak for that last inch.
Right now, just focusing on recovery!
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How are you feeling then mate, what's your recovery like so far?
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How are you feeling then mate, what's your recovery like so far?
I feel fine bud. My only complaint right now is that I still waddle when I walk. It's embarrassing, and so in turn, I have to really force myself to walk. And I have bad pain on my right hip from the nail that Dr G uses (they are huge!). Once I'm walking normally, I will honestly feel golden, even though I won't be FULLY recovered for a while at this point. Dr G even said I could try light jogging now, but I laughed because I can't even walk normally yet.
Now I just need to figure out how I'm gonna manage my career while taking a little more time off next year to hopefully bang out another inch. He said it would only take like 2.5 weeks to do it, and then I imagine consolidation would be faster (and I'll know enough to walk more without crutches, it's definitely helping bone ossification from what I can see). Ultimately I want to max the Gnail out, and then call it a day with LL once and for all lol. 8)
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Another reason I really like Dr. G - he's not at all selling me on doing more. He's actually saying that he thinks I'll be satisfied once I fully recover and am back to normal. He also reiterated that when his patients click beyond like 6.5cm+, they actually end up distracting a good few mm more than what they click.
I'm definitely going to give it a chance and see how I feel about all this once fully recovered. I still have duckass/lordosis, so there's that too, though I'm not counting on it for anything really. I have the option to do another inch in the semi near future. First I gotta recover from this one and enjoy the new height for a while!
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Do you have to go back to Dr. Guichet to rebreak the bone or can you go to ortho nearby to do it?
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Do you have to go back to Dr. Guichet to rebreak the bone or can you go to ortho nearby to do it?
Dunno. I will inquire with Dr. G if and when the time comes. I would imagine I'd have to stay Milan for a while, at least for a week post op while I resume clicking.
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I walked to my family's house and back yesterday with no crutches and I'm kinda paying for it today. My right knee is killing me, but I think it's because I'm still favoring that leg knowing that my left leg hasn't fully fused yet (so maybe it's a mental thing). My left leg is very close to being fused Dr G said, hopefully at some point this month it will.
Whatever. I'm going to try and go for another walk tonight, despite feeling semi like crap in my right knee. Pain is weakness leaving the body!
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Is it normal be this weak at this stage of recovery, perhaps the real improvment comes after the bone has fused?
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Is it normal be this weak at this stage of recovery, perhaps the real improvment comes after the bone has fused?
It's going to be 5 months since the surgery on May 15, so I'm still in the semi early stages of recovery. Dr. G said walking starts improving faster once both bones are fused (I'm still waiting for my left one to fuse at this point). I think at this stage (going on 5 months post op), program dude for instance was in a similar spot I believe (I think he was just beginning to walk with one crutch). At home I'm full-time off crutches, and only really need them for stairs. But I still haven't walked huge amounts outdoors without them.
I think my recovery may have gone a bit better, though, if I were fully able to take time away from my career and focus on it. That isn't the case with me, so my resources in terms of time are limited.
Overall, I think ShyShy-esque recoveries are quite rare. Achievable, but rare. I've said it a number of times recently, LL is a "life is like a box of chocolates" thing. You never know what you're gonna get (no matter your age or shape pre op) in terms of recovery, complications, balancing life responsibilities, etc.
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Buddy if your knee feels bad today dont walk. Take a rest
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Buddy if your knee feels bad today dont walk. Take a rest
Wish I could pal. As we gym rats say "the weights ain't gonna lift themselves" (boy do I miss the gym :( ), my legs ain't gonna heal by themselves! As long as the pain isn't too debilitating, I will continue walking tonight and see how things go. It's nice out anyway, need to get outdoors after working all day.
LL is indeed like a box of chocolates. So true, my dear!!! Keep your spirits up!!! :D
Thank you musicmaker! I hope you are doing great! :)
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Walked all the way to my dad's place. Knee pain not bad. My dad saw me walk up to his place and said my walking was good. He said I wasn't waddling much at all (although I've been doing this marching-like walk to compensate and waddle less). Progress.
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Walking was pretty decent yesterday. I walked almost the entire day without crutches. Went to see a relative at the hospital, and walked all around the hospital crutch free (to the cafeteria and back several times, while they transferred my relative from one wing to another, etc.). I still get tired a good amount and need to stop sometimes to give my legs a break, but it's improving. Once my left leg fuses, I think my walking will improve that much faster. When I was walking home last night, it was the first night where I realized I could get home faster by actually going crutch free as opposed to using the crutches (which I only use for stairs or when I'm really tired now).
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Nice, isn't this good progress considering your bones haven't even fused completely yet?
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It's solid progress I'd say. My left leg is close to fusing, right leg already fused. I just hope they fuse faster when I do another inch next year, hopefully. I would imagine they would.
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If only I could resolve this annoying hip swaying, I'd be golden even given my somewhat limited walking endurance (though not terrible by any means). Waddling less and less, but the hip swaying is just as bad. Duckass is improving, but still there a bit. I think the hip swaying will go away pretty fast once I get back to the gym and start being able to do weights for my abductors. Once my left leg fuses (hoping it has as of the x-rays I'll probably get taken next week), I am going to hit the gym big time. I really want to kick my recovery up a few notches (aside from walking like I have been, which has been helping I would say). The sooner I recover from this (strength and flexibility), the sooner I can full get on with my life and start planning the next one for next fall. If I can get through this, I can't see how 2.5-3 cm would be hard at all.
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small victory...
Walked all the way to the bank and Starbucks and back, no crutches (including stairs, but since I haven't been cleared for stairs yet, held the bannister very carefully for my non-fused left leg). Swaying my hips of course, but I worked through the embarrassment, and felt surprisingly good and not tired.
I got to "test" my new height for the first time in public, really. Walking on the most traversed block near my place (which I've avoided until after dark until now), and in line at Starbucks...and I would say, 5'8" is a pretty decent height. All the girls were my height or shorter (one of the taller girls was close to me, but I just edged her out). And I was taller than a fair number of guys I saw. Now, the average tall guy (5'11 and up) doesn't seem to dwarf me as much. In the starbucks, there's a huge mirror, so I was looking at myself in line, and I looked average-ish (at least, with the people who where there). The guy in front of me had to be like 6ft, and even though he looks a lot taller than me when I looked up at him, in the mirror, the difference wasn't as terrible as I might have thought.
I'll imagine one more inch will put me exactly where I'd like to be 8)
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Yeah bro . You have a decent height now. But if one more inch is going to make you feel better about your self go for it. But you know. Always by the safest way!
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Why don't you lengthen you tibia another inch, isn't that better in the long term?
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Tibias just seem far too much trouble and time to be worth it. I think 1 inch would take something ridiculous like 5 months. No thank you. With the rods already inside, Dr. G said I can do another inch in about 2-2.5 weeks. He also said I'd have much less side effects (funny walking, duckass, etc) for just an inch, and consolidation would be faster.
The only thing I need to figure out is how to get the time off (I'm thinking maybe vacation time would suffice this time around) and what the cost is going to be (dreading finding that bit out). 1 inch in femurs for me just seems a lot easier at this point.
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Then you will get a very long femurs
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What do you think of your current proportions?
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I posted pics a few pages ago of my current proportions. I think they look totally fine right now. I don't think one more inch will throw them off terribly. And honestly I don't care that much, they're pretty easy to hide in clothes. I care more about total height. Tibias unfortunately just take way too long for them to be worth it.
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What pant inseam do you wear after LL?
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What pant inseam do you wear after LL?
Good question. I'm not entirely sure. I still wear my 30 inch inseam jeans, but they are very tight when I sit down due to the longer femurs (right around the knee area and slightly below, they are tight). So I may have to start buying 32 inch inseams soon. Depending on the brand/type of pants/jeans, 30 is sometimes uncomfortable for me now.
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good work Yellow free bump
all ladies please PM yellow for his number he must get back to you as he is swimming in potentials date.
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good work Yellow free bump
all ladies please PM yellow for his number he must get back to you as he is swimming in potentials date.
Lol I love you Joel from the Misc. I'm definitely no slouch (and I'm sure with the new height I'll do even better 8) ), but I ain't no programdude!
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Lol I love you Joel from the Misc. I'm definitely no slouch (and I'm sure with the new height I'll do even better 8) ), but I ain't no programdude!
Be the Italian Stallion you are there in Milan and show Regkey how it's done!
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Hey yellow is it possible to get a proportion pic without the t-shirt covering the top of your femurs. Obviously it helps make the femurs look shorter so it's hard to get an accurate read.
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Be the Italian Stallion you are there in Milan and show Regkey how it's done!
Actually, I AM Italian (among other things). Everyone in Milan would approach me speaking Italian a mile a minute and were always disappointed when I could barely speak a word of it. Made for an interesting experience, that's for sure!
Hey yellow is it possible to get a proportion pic without the t-shirt covering the top of your femurs. Obviously it helps make the femurs look shorter so it's hard to get an accurate read.
I will try to do one at some point.
Measured my wingspan today out of curiosity (never really cared about it)...and it's about 172cm-173cm...so matches the new height perfectly. I'd say ALL my proportions right now are just fine. One more inch on femurs will probably somewhat screw up the femur/tibia ratio, but at least that's fairly easy to hide/mask with clothes and having thick quads.
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The more I walk (even still semi embarrassingly), the better I seem to feel. Stamina is getting a bit better each time. Once I'm cleared for the gym, things will get better even faster. So nice to be able to walk to my local Starbucks totally crutch free and just grab a coffee. It's the little things like this that keep me going.
Hope to God that another inch won't take as long as this has.
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The more I walk (even still semi embarrassingly), the better I seem to feel. Stamina is getting a bit better each time. Once I'm cleared for the gym, things will get better even faster. So nice to be able to walk to my local Starbucks totally crutch free and just grab a coffee. It's the little things like this that keep me going.
Hope to God that another inch won't take as long as this has.
Did you do internal fermurs?. With who did you do it. guichet? how much did it cost for ya?
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Did you do internal fermurs?. With who did you do it. guichet? how much did it cost for ya?
Read the title of the diary
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Read the title of the diary
lol oh snap :o
Did you do internal fermurs?. With who did you do it. guichet? how much did it cost for ya?
Total cost all inclusive (pre-training, pre-op costs, housing, airline tickets, prostitutes to keep me company) was close to $80K USD. I'm going to see if my insurance will help reimburse some of the PT costs (I'm told they might), and while I had more than enough cash to do it (and still enough left over to do a second LL right now with Guichet or Paley), my dad helped a bit as well.
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Total cost all inclusive (pre-training, pre-op costs, housing, airline tickets, prostitutes to keep me company) was close to $80K USD.
not post op PT?
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not post op PT?
My bad, it also includes post-op PT. That cost was all-inclusive for everything.
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My bad, it also includes post-op PT. That cost was all-inclusive for everything.
So with 350.000 swedish kr, What can i get really. im out of options here. I want femurs done.
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So with 350.000 swedish kr, What can i get really. im out of options here. I want femurs done.
Uh...maybe translate that figure into USD/EUR and then research the femur doctors?
Yellowspike /= 1-800-FEMUR-LL
Anywho...
Walking is steadily improving. Stamina and speed are getting better, and now it seems to be only my right hip that sways when I walk. Almost there! Once my walk looks good, even if my stamina takes time to catch up, I will feel much better about walking out in public than I do no (although I don't really care that much to be honest).
Funnily, I've told two of my close friends that I plan to go back and do another inch next year...they both supported me without reservation. One even said "You make great decisions in your life. If this is what you need for closure, then go for it." Not that I need anyone's approval (they all previously said I was nuts the first time around, I didn't care), but it's nice to have some support. I feel like I can do an inch in my sleep after this sh*t lol
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So with 350.000 swedish kr, What can i get really. im out of options here. I want femurs done.
Swedish invasion, I swear to god we are the most insecure people..
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Swedish invasion, I swear to god we are the most insecure people..
Probably why all the immigrants are taking your women over in Malmo.
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Probably why all the immigrants are taking your women over in Malmo.
Cuckold fantasy projection detected! It doesn't actually happen
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Walking continues to improve. My good friend saw me yesterday. He claims my walk looks perfectly normal, but it's not quite there yet I don't think. I no longer waddle, but when I look in a mirror and walk towards it, my right hip still sways a bit. Endurance needs work, but getting back to the gym (which I imagine is just around the corner for me at this point) will help speed things up.
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nice to hear man
your dairy continues to inspire me..wish u a speedy recovery ;)
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So with 350.000 swedish kr, What can i get really. im out of options here. I want femurs done.
Im also a swede...and the way I see it your best options for femur is this:
1. Dr jamal in ukraine approx. 300 000 kr
2. Dr Brikholz in South africa approx 400 000 kr
3. Dr Betz in germany approx 550 000 kr
4. Dr Guichet in milan/London approx 650 000 kr
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Awesome diary btw yellowspike! I would so go for that one extra inch:)...you only live once so go for it, or you`ll probably never be fully satisfied:)
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Sometimes I think my diary is an embarrassing mess, but I'm glad some people find it inspiring lol. Thank you man!
Time will tell if I do the last inch. I kinda don't want to spend any more time and money on LL...but I still don't have the closure I had hoped I'd have. But then again, I'm still not entirely back to my original routine yet even though I'm crutch free for a while now. Maybe that closure will come a little further down the road? I'm going to give it some time. The main issue is time, as I have a career to attend to.
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Sooo, how does it feel to be taller? :) You see a difference in peoples behaviour and girls?
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Sooo, how does it feel to be taller? :) You see a difference in peoples behaviour and girls?
Not necessarily in peoples' behavior have I noticed a difference...
...but it feels AWESOME. All those who were against the surgery are now commending me for it (not that I cared either way, I still went and did it). Two girls I used to hook up with before LL couldn't get over it. One was exactly my height before, now I'm the same height as her even in heels (with me barefoot), taller than her in my sneakers. She said what I did was "awesome and super ballsy." I can comfortably stand around in Starbucks and I'm taller than most girls, and even taller than some guys now (both of which I definitely couldn't say before). I also feel like I get more overtly checked out by women (maybe it's my increase in confidence or my still semi-funny walking lol).
I just can't wait to officially get back to my routine, shouldn't be too long now I wouldn't think.
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Not necessarily in peoples' behavior have I noticed a difference...
...but it feels AWESOME. All those who were against the surgery are now commending me for it (not that I cared either way, I still went and did it). Two girls I used to hook up with before LL couldn't get over it. One was exactly my height before, now I'm the same height as her even in heels (with me barefoot), taller than her in my sneakers. She said what I did was "awesome and super ballsy." I can comfortably stand around in Starbucks and I'm taller than most girls, and even taller than some guys now (both of which I definitely couldn't say before). I also feel like I get more overtly checked out by women (maybe it's my increase in confidence or my still semi-funny walking lol).
I just can't wait to officially get back to my routine, shouldn't be too long now I wouldn't think.
5'8 FTW :D
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Awesome man! We hear a lot about LL itself, pain and long recoveries but not so much about the positive side. Feel free to cover that aspect and I invite all llers to do the same. It'll be greatly appreciated thanks!
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Awesome man! We hear a lot about LL itself, pain and long recoveries but not so much about the positive side. Feel free to cover that aspect and I invite all llers to do the same. It'll be greatly appreciated thanks!
I mean, I've re-read my own diary once or twice. There are more than a few posts that I kinda cringe at...but the pain was very bad at times. I mean, LL is painful no matter what...don't let anyone sugarcoat that. Not to mention the fact that not only are you in a lot of pain throughout the process...you start to genuinely worry about the pain in that you think "oh man, hope this pain isn't indicative of complications." At least, I worried about that at times. Not to mention you are completely out of your normal routine and can't do much on your own.
But the good news is that (even though I still have some very mild pain occasionally) the pain and drama eventually end...and that the height is very much worth it. At this point, even not fully recovered (my walking is decent, stamina needs work, I'd say an average recovery at 5 months out for 7cm), my only regret is not doing this sooner. I wasted 7 months going back and forth if I was gonna do it or not.
I don't know what the future holds in terms of more LL, but I feel a lot better about myself now, and certainly much more attractive. I personally feel that height neurosis (whether you're objectively short or the shortest out of your brothers/friends, etc.) is not something that goes away on its own, and will always boomerang back (even with all the therapy/gym sessions/positive thinking in the world). So I'm glad I did it.
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I mean, I've re-read my own diary once or twice. There are more than a few posts that I kinda cringe at...but the pain was very bad at times. I mean, LL is painful no matter what...don't let anyone sugarcoat that. Not to mention the fact that not only are you in a lot of pain throughout the process...you start to genuinely worry about the pain in that you think "oh man, hope this pain isn't indicative of complications." At least, I worried about that at times. Not to mention you are completely out of your normal routine and can't do much on your own.
But the good news is that (even though I still have some very mild pain occasionally) the pain and drama eventually end...and that the height is very much worth it. At this point, even not fully recovered (my walking is decent, stamina needs work, I'd say an average recovery at 5 months out for 7cm), my only regret is not doing this sooner. I wasted 7 months going back and forth if I was gonna do it or not.
I don't know what the future holds in terms of more LL, but I feel a lot better about myself now, and certainly much more attractive. I personally feel that height neurosis (whether you're objectively short or the shortest out of your brothers/friends, etc.) is not something that goes away on its own, and will always boomerang back (even with all the therapy/gym sessions/positive thinking in the world). So I'm glad I did it.
Hi Yellowspike Congratulation
Is it important to do any work out to do for whole lifetime that suggest from Dr g to yoy?
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I personally feel that height neurosis (whether you're objectively short or the shortest out of your brothers/friends, etc.) is not something that goes away on its own, and will always boomerang back (even with all the therapy/gym sessions/positive thinking in the world). So I'm glad I did it.
this.
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I mean, I've re-read my own diary once or twice. There are more than a few posts that I kinda cringe at...but the pain was very bad at times. I mean, LL is painful no matter what...don't let anyone sugarcoat that. Not to mention the fact that not only are you in a lot of pain throughout the process...you start to genuinely worry about the pain in that you think "oh man, hope this pain isn't indicative of complications." At least, I worried about that at times. Not to mention you are completely out of your normal routine and can't do much on your own.
But the good news is that (even though I still have some very mild pain occasionally) the pain and drama eventually end...and that the height is very much worth it. At this point, even not fully recovered (my walking is decent, stamina needs work, I'd say an average recovery at 5 months out for 7cm), my only regret is not doing this sooner. I wasted 7 months going back and forth if I was gonna do it or not.
I don't know what the future holds in terms of more LL, but I feel a lot better about myself now, and certainly much more attractive. I personally feel that height neurosis (whether you're objectively short or the shortest out of your brothers/friends, etc.) is not something that goes away on its own, and will always boomerang back (even with all the therapy/gym sessions/positive thinking in the world). So I'm glad I did it.
That's good Yellow in shoes remember your 5'9.5 :O...
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Hi Yellowspike Congratulation
Is it important to do any work out to do for whole lifetime that suggest from Dr g to yoy?
Do you mean after the surgery/recovery? Not that I know of, but fitness is an important part of my life regardless. I expect to be back to the gym soon, so I will be doing the elliptical/stairmaster for cardio, and resume weight training for upper body (but not free weights for now). Legs, I'm hoping to be able to start light weights for them again soon, need to build by quads and ass back up lol
That's good Yellow in shoes remember your 5'9.5 :O...
Meh...depends on the shoes I'm wearing. I'm probably around 5'9" in most shoes, in some sneakers (like my Nike Airmax), I'm probably 5'9.5") .
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Im also a swede...and the way I see it your best options for femur is this:
1. Dr jamal in ukraine approx. 300 000 kr
2. Dr Brikholz in South africa approx 400 000 kr
3. Dr Betz in germany approx 550 000 kr
4. Dr Guichet in milan/London approx 650 000 kr
650 000 kr, är du säker?
Också, hur lång är du?
@Yellowspike you're doing great mate I'm sure you'll recover just fine. Overall your surgery and lengthening seemed to go really well, without any complications and all that.
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Thanks Scrooge McDuck. Yes...I definitely count my blessings to have not had any complications so far. And I think my recovery for 5 months post op for 7cm is pretty good (although far from epic like Shy was). I sometimes get annoyed that I had to stop when I did, but that might have helped recovery a bit. The only thing I think I could have done differently was to walk more right after clicking ended. The weather was so bad at the time that I was just really afraid to try walking outside. That may have saved me a few weeks in terms of recovery, but live and learn.
Probably gonna try the gym this weekend. I'm gonna do the elliptical (want to lose some body fat that I picked up during LL), and also will try weight machines (I won't do free weights just yet).
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650 000 kr, är du säker?
Också, hur lång är du?
@Yellowspike you're doing great mate I'm sure you'll recover just fine. Overall your surgery and lengthening seemed to go really well, without any complications and all that.
Jag är 1.65 kort:/..sj da?...what is your plan then Uppland? Vet du vilken kirurg du vill göra ingreppet med?
I believe it would be 650 000 kr if surgery is done in Milan. 45 000 euro (surgery)+10 000 euro (2 months physio) +10 000(other costs like xray, etc), this was the price in 2014 i believe, maybe the price has gone up now. If surgery is done in London, the price would be apprx 750 000 kr.
And yellowspike, all creds to you for sill commenting in this diary and keeping us informed, you`re a true hero dude!
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Yellowspike is the boss.
@chsn I'm 178-9CM
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lol I am very far from being a "hero" or "the boss" lol but I'm glad to hear some of you guys appreciate my diary. I think my diary is kinda a mess at times. But then again...LL is brutal, physical and emotionally. So I guess it's good for people to see that.
I finally got to resume the gym today. Dr. G still hasn't cleared me for leg workouts yet (but I think he will when I send him new X-rays this week, pretty sure both legs are fused now), so I did a full upper body workout just to get my feet wet. My size looks about the same, but I lost a little bit of strength. No biggie because I tend to put on muscle very quickly. It was really nice being back, and no one seems to stare at my walking anymore. I feel like my walking is very, very close to normal at this point. It's amazing how fast it's improved the past few weeks from serious walking. I wish I was more serious about walking earlier on, but now I know for the future.
And it was cool to be slightly bigger than or the same size as some of my gym buddies who used to be taller. They were all like "where the hell have you been?" I just said "Oh, I had a back injury, so couldn't come for a while." No one batted an eye, although one of the shorter guys (I'm guessing 5'4"?) was kinda looking at me funny lol.
I don't care....I love it.
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lol I am very far from being a "hero" or "the boss" lol but I'm glad to hear some of you guys appreciate my diary. I think my diary is kinda a mess at times. But then again...LL is brutal, physical and emotionally. So I guess it's good for people to see that.
I finally got to resume the gym today. Dr. G still hasn't cleared me for leg workouts yet (but I think he will when I send him new X-rays this week, pretty sure both legs are fused now), so I did a full upper body workout just to get my feet wet. My size looks about the same, but I lost a little bit of strength. No biggie because I tend to put on muscle very quickly. It was really nice being back, and no one seems to stare at my walking anymore. I feel like my walking is very, very close to normal at this point. It's amazing how fast it's improved the past few weeks from serious walking. I wish I was more serious about walking earlier on, but now I know for the future.
And it was cool to be slightly bigger than or the same size as some of my gym buddies who used to be taller. They were all like "where the hell have you been?" I just said "Oh, I had a back injury, so couldn't come for a while." No one batted an eye, although one of the shorter guys (I'm guessing 5'4"?) was kinda looking at me funny lol.
I don't care....I love it.
Glad to hear that.
Now ll pain was your distance memoru
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Glad to hear that.
Now ll pain was your distance memoru
The only pain I have now (be warned if you guys go with Dr. G) is slight hip pain thanks to the HUGE screws he uses. It's not as bad as it was...but if I didn't have a memory foam mattress, I'm not sure I could sleep on my side. I can because I have a Tempur Pedic mattress.
For me personally, even as I slowly get back to my normal, the only issue remaining is that I don't feel 100% closure just yet. Perhaps it will come down the road (new job, new women, etc.), or perhaps I will do that last inch next year (strongly leaning towards it at the moment). I feel at this point, an inch more I could do in my sleep lol. My proportions now look great...I frankly don't care much if my femurs will appear long. Even as an LL patient, I don't look at/notice other peoples' proportions lol
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Hello Yellowspike
I did LL with Dr G in Milan first week of July 2014 , Stayed there for 6 weeks until I reached Aprox 5,5 cms Then I Had to go back to my home country because of work. Looking back I can say I had a pretty much smooth journey. Maybe because I wanted this so much.. that I putted all my effort to success. My only complain was this numb/burning skin sensation I developed in the lateral side of my right leg.. which is not completely gone but I got used to. When reading part of your Experience I remember the weeks right after Lengthening phase were very annoying because you are pretty much disabled and don't see much improvement on your condition as the days go by..But suddenly you begin to get normal again.. It took me about 1 month after Lenghthening to go back to work walking funny but unaided. I walk almost normal now, as many ex-LL state explosiveness is lost for good…I can Jogg 1 or 2 miles and dance with no problem. Consider Im not very sporty guy. My actual height is about 172.5-173. I feel much better in every aspect of my life. this really cure me of Height neurosis. But as you I have the feeling Im not over with this yet, considering I have the potential in the nail for a couple of cms that theoreticaly can be reached easily. Maybe we can get in touch with Dr G to inquire him about the details and his requirements to do the 2nd Femur Lenghthening.
Cheers!
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Hello Yellowspike
I did LL with Dr G in Milan first week of July 2014 , Stayed there for 6 weeks until I reached Aprox 5,5 cms Then I Had to go back to my home country because of work. Looking back I can say I had a pretty much smooth journey. Maybe because I wanted this so much.. that I putted all my effort to success. My only complain was this numb/burning skin sensation I developed in the lateral side of my right leg.. which is not completely gone but I got used to. When reading part of your Experience I remember the weeks right after Lengthening phase were very annoying because you are pretty much disabled and don't see much improvement on your condition as the days go by..But suddenly you begin to get normal again.. It took me about 1 month after Lenghthening to go back to work walking funny but unaided. I walk almost normal now, as many ex-LL state explosiveness is lost for good…I can Jogg 1 or 2 miles and dance with no problem. Consider Im not very sporty guy. My actual height is about 172.5-173. I feel much better in every aspect of my life. this really cure me of Height neurosis. But as you I have the feeling Im not over with this yet, considering I have the potential in the nail for a couple of cms that theoreticaly can be reached easily. Maybe we can get in touch with Dr G to inquire him about the details and his requirements to do the 2nd Femur Lenghthening.
Cheers!
What is your lengthend amount?
5.5 and done?
My goal is 6 cm to reach 183 cm
I hope i will have a smooth journey as same as u
And ur right leg problen
Do you think it will gone or not?
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Hello Goodlucktomylegs!
My dream height was 1,76 or 1,77. Due to time I knew I could reach at most 7 cm (1,74) cm as Shy Shy did. In my initial plan I had only 6 weeks to lengthen and then a couple of more weeks to cure enough to be able to go to work.
By the time I reached 5 cm which was my minimum acceptable I begun to face the situation of clicking less and growing fewer mm per day than at the beginning of LL, and when I was back to my country i was stressed by the Idea of not consolidation since my first X-ray by that time showed less consolidation in comparison with other LL fellows. So decided to stop at about 5,5 cm and heal.. moreover I felt I had reached a respectable height everyone in my circle noticed it and I was denying this keeping it as a secret..
1,72 - 1,73 is not bad but I get greedy knowing I have the potential for more. Reaching 1,75-176 is an idea I have to reach a dream but it is not a must as it was the 1st op.
Have a great journey Goodluck!
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Hello Goodlucktomylegs!
My dream height was 1,76 or 1,77. Due to time I knew I could reach at most 7 cm (1,74) cm as Shy Shy did. In my initial plan I had only 6 weeks to lengthen and then a couple of more weeks to cure enough to be able to go to work.
By the time I reached 5 cm which was my minimum acceptable I begun to face the situation of clicking less and growing fewer mm per day than at the beginning of LL, and when I was back to my country i was stressed by the Idea of not consolidation since my first X-ray by that time showed less consolidation in comparison with other LL fellows. So decided to stop at about 5,5 cm and heal.. moreover I felt I had reached a respectable height everyone in my circle noticed it and I was denying this keeping it as a secret..
1,72 - 1,73 is not bad but I get greedy knowing I have the potential for more. Reaching 1,75-176 is an idea I have to reach a dream but it is not a must as it was the 1st op.
Have a great journey Goodluck!
I know how you feel Caribe. I think you must've had a better starting height than I did to get to 172.5-173 with only 5.5cm on lengthening. I killed myself to get to around 7cm. My low evening height so far seems to be around 172.4cm (at night, after walking/going to the gym). In the morning, I'm around 174.7 (close to 5'9"). And I still have duckass, too. I was also heavily inspired by ShyShy, who I know did about 7.5cm. But my consolidation wasn't great, particularly with my left leg, and the pain was starting to get REALLY bad on my left leg. So, I had to stop at 7cm. It is what it is. ShyShy like stories are actually very rare, and he is NOT the norm. He is very lucky to have done as well as he did (lengthening and recovery wise).
I have to be careful with my proportions at this point. They look great now...but another inch for me is pushing it (in terms of femur/tibia proportions), though I think it would still look ok. I want to do another inch, but just need to figure out how to get more time off. I'm going to look into this next year and possibly do it next summer. Recovery is going ok right now. My walking is getting better, my stamina is pretty good, but my hips sway a bit. I think it's due to weak gluteus medius, which I have been working on. I've been doing all that I can.
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Caribe could you tell us a little bit about your loss of explosivness?
Also, do you feel like you still have potential to improving or is this as good as you're going to get?
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I'm glad everything is going well Yellowspike! I haven't been here on this site for quite a while since it depresses me...
Either way, how are your legs and ass going? Are they starting to ''fill in'', getting their shape?
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I'm glad everything is going well Yellowspike! I haven't been here on this site for quite a while since it depresses me...
Either way, how are your legs and ass going? Are they starting to ''fill in'', getting their shape?
Yeah I think I'm going to be dropping off soon myself. I'm kind of tired of site, but at the same time, it's helped me in some ways. And I guess I want to help others if I can. If I do a sequel next year (for that last inch), I will be on here talking about it lol
Legs and ass still need a lot of work. I haven't been cleared to do weight training on my legs just yet, but I'm sure that will change very soon. Just need to get another set of x-rays. The main issue right now that I need to resolve is the hip swaying. So at the gym the last few days, I've been trying to focus on stretching the hip flexors, strengthen the gluteus medius, and also strengthen the glutes. Once I can do weight training, I plan to attack the glute muscles, need my ass back pronto. It used to be so nice...(tear).
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Any definite reason for your hip issue yellowspike? I didnt read on the Dr description if Dr G. out the G nail through the hip or not.
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Any definite reason for your hip issue yellowspike? I didnt read on the Dr description if Dr G. out the G nail through the hip or not.
I believe the hip swaying is due to a combination of hip flexor tightness and weak muscles (I believe the gluteus medius). Dr. G said it will resolve with time, and I'm not too worried about it.
As for the hip pain that I still have (and it's still bad with certain exercises I've been doing)...that's due to the huge screws he uses. Sometimes they extend through the bone into your muscle. Dr. G said the body eventually adapts by building an internal "callous (?)" around the screw, thus stopping the pain.
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Yeah I think I'm going to be dropping off soon myself. I'm kind of tired of site, but at the same time, it's helped me in some ways. And I guess I want to help others if I can. If I do a sequel next year (for that last inch), I will be on here talking about it lol
Legs and ass still need a lot of work. I haven't been cleared to do weight training on my legs just yet, but I'm sure that will change very soon. Just need to get another set of x-rays. The main issue right now that I need to resolve is the hip swaying. So at the gym the last few days, I've been trying to focus on stretching the hip flexors, strengthen the gluteus medius, and also strengthen the glutes. Once I can do weight training, I plan to attack the glute muscles, need my ass back pronto. It used to be so nice...(tear).
Oh no... This is not good news for me lol, I am a VERY impatient person. I get compliments for my body and ass and how ironic, I will lose it... Gain something (height) and lose something else... I hate this...
I am the type of guy who wants to work hard and gain what I want, but the fact that I won't be able to go to the gym will make me nuts haha
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If you are not a patient person, then LL is NOT for you.
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If you are not a patient person, then LL is NOT for you.
I will still do LL... It will change my life so I will sacrifice my "patience".
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The only reason I'm seriously considering this is because I think since the rods are already inside, surgery should be less invasive, and it should be a faster recovery for only 1 inch. And as you said, 5'8" and above is fine...but my evening height is like 5'8" on the dot, maybe a tad over. That's what scares me. Is a girl going to not be interested in me if I were 2mm below 5'8"? No, of course not. I just don't want to ever measure below it. I guess it's a phobia at this point.
I'll likely never be fully satisfied with my height (whatever height I may end up at, unless I were like 5'10"+, probably not going to happen, which is fine)...and I'll probably never do a tibia LL, because I don't want to mess with them or do another full blown LL. But if I can get one more inch fairly easily and quickly from maxing out the Gnail...why not? I think I'd feel some more closure too, from the knowledge that I maxed out the Gnail (even though it would have taken two surgeries to do).
Tibias just aren't for me I don't think.
Keep in mind if you still have duck ass, that's part of the reason you'll measure low by the end of the day. Give it time. Don't stress right now. Just enjoy the gains you made and look forward to getting back to life. You'll have plenty of time to decide once you've tried out your new legs a bit more.
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Caribe could you tell us a little bit about your loss of explosivness?
Also, do you feel like you still have potential to improving or is this as good as you're going to get?
Hello Uppland
It is hard for me to sprint from a standing still position and run fast.. I think it is because muscles in some way loose the ability to coordinate... Remember all soft tissues around the femur are overextended and the muscles below your knees stay the same..I guess its a condition you might overcome with time or with lots of kinesiotherapy..
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Keep in mind if you still have duck ass, that's part of the reason you'll measure low by the end of the day. Give it time. Don't stress right now. Just enjoy the gains you made and look forward to getting back to life. You'll have plenty of time to decide once you've tried out your new legs a bit more.
Appreciate it bud. I'm more or less happy with the result. And I feel much closer to average, even though I'm still obviously under average. Maybe the duckass will help a bit, but I'm not counting on it at all. I have more than a year to decide if I want that last inch. This one's tough. This is such a long, hard and frustrating process, where I don't know if I could face it again. However, if it will be significantly easier and faster (including the recovery period) for that last inch, I might have to do it for full closure on this. I've suffered too much because of my height to go on not being completely satisfied with it. Shrinking slightly below 5'8" at night (not on all days, though) is just very annoying to me. Perhaps I'll learn to live with it, perhaps not. We will see. I take my life one day at a time.
Hello Uppland
It is hard for me to sprint from a standing still position and run fast.. I think it is because muscles in some way loose the ability to coordinate... Remember all soft tissues around the femur are overextended and the muscles below your knees stay the same..I guess its a condition you might overcome with time or with lots of kinesiotherapy..
I have some knee numbness in my left knee when I kneel. I feel it during doggystyle and doing lunges, for instance. It's annoying...hoping it goes away with time. If not, I think it's something I can live with, relatively minor.
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Hey Yellowspike,
I've seen the pictures you've posted and proportionwise they look completly normal to me. I know you had longer tibias compared to your femurs by around 5% if I remember correctly. Do you know what exact length your segments had before LL in mm.
Keep us updates
Cheers!
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Oh I mistakenly thought you were going for tibias! Another inch next year would be heroic.
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Oh I mistakenly thought you were going for tibias! Another inch next year would be heroic.
Yeah I'm starting to have my doubts about another inch. As much as I want it, I have to resolve this horrible hip swaying before I will start to feel "recovered." It's the only thing getting me down right now. I'm not exactly sure if it's due to tight hip flexors, weak hip flexor muscles or weak glutes (probably a combination). Dr. G hasn't officially cleared me for leg weight training yet, but I've done some very light weight training because I NEED this resolved already.
I'm starting to feel like another inch would be futile because this has taken so damn long. It seems deceivingly easy (compared to this), but now I feel like it will much a lot harder than I realize. I definitely regret looking at some of the more amazing diaries for inspiration, because they are not the norm. This takes much, much, much longer than some diaries would have you believe. Maybe I'll keep the rods in a bit longer while I decide on another inch...I do want it...but this has been horrible. Not sure I could do it again.
Hey Yellowspike,
I've seen the pictures you've posted and proportionwise they look completly normal to me. I know you had longer tibias compared to your femurs by around 5% if I remember correctly. Do you know what exact length your segments had before LL in mm.
Keep us updates
Cheers!
Sorry, I don't know the exact measurements. I just know my tibia/femur ratio was about 79% before the surgery.
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Did your tibial muscles also get thinner/weaker from the stretching that occurred in your femurs?
If your dream height is 5'10+, you'll still be dissatisfied with your height at 5'9, won't you? In that case, it may not be worth enduring the pain of LL again, only to find yourself again disappointed. I'd say only do that last inch if 5'9 is your dream height or if it will at least get you to that much sought after state of mind where one really doesn't give a crap about height anymore.
I think putting so much emphasis on the numbers can lead to disappointment. Curing height neurosis is more about a feeling of deriving confidence and relief from becoming "tall enough" for one's own standards, which vary from person to person. Honestly, that's what I'm going for. It doesn't have to be a number, just a feeling that I am finally happy with my height and feel like I am who I am supposed to be, physically which I am currently in every major regard except for height.
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Did your tibial muscles also get thinner/weaker from the stretching that occurred in your femurs?
If your dream height is 5'10+, you'll still be dissatisfied with your height at 5'9, won't you? In that case, it may not be worth enduring the pain of LL again, only to find yourself again disappointed. I'd say I nly do that last inch if 5'9 is your dream height or if it will at least get you to that much sought after state of mind where one really doesn't give a crap about height anymore.
I think putting so much emphasis on the numbers can lead to disappointment. Curing height neurosis is more about a feeling of deriving confidence and relief from becoming "tall enough" for one's own standards, which vary from person to person. Honestly, that's what I'm going for. It doesn't have to be a number, just a feeling that I am finally happy with my height and feel like I am who I am supposed to be, physically which I am currently in every major regard except for height.
Fair enough. Despite what I have said on here, it's actually not so much a number. I don't really have a dream height per se, at least not in terms of an exact number (well, I don't anymore). I feel now that my height is very close to being actually average, but not quite. So I think another inch would get me to the point where I genuinely wouldn't care much about height anymore. But I need time to think about it. Because this has taken very long to recover from.
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Sounds to me like you're approaching this all very rationally. Good for you. Keep up the hard work on your recovery, but try not to think too much about height, even though the two are related in your case. Like you said, you can decide if you want that last inch later, but now your priority should be recovering. Just think of it as a workout instead of as LL recovery so that you keep your mind off of height and height comparison with others. I wish you all the best going forward.
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Sounds to me like you're approaching this all very rationally. Good for you. Keep up the hard work on your recovery, but try not to think too much about height, even though the two are related in your case. Like you said, you can decide if you want that last inch later, but now your priority should be recovering. Just think of it as a workout instead of as LL recovery so that you keep your mind off of height and height comparison with others. I wish you all the best going forward.
This means a lot to me. Thanks man.
I know not too long ago I was really obsessing over my gain/height. Now that I've had the chance to somewhat return to the gym and going out a bit more...5'8" is pretty good. Not great...but ok, and I surely don't think I would have considered LL had I been 5'8" naturally.
That being said...I suppose the knowledge of "well, I've already done it once, and the rods inside my right now are good for another inch" makes it seem very tempting. But the main issue for me now is to resolve this pesky hip swaying. I can deal with other side effects and even some occasional pain, I just want to be able to walk outside without feeling like an embarrassment.
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But the main issue for me now is to resolve this pesky hip swaying. I can deal with other side effects and even some occasional pain, I just want to be able to walk outside without feeling like an embarrassment.
That's a minor issue. It's just muscle tightness. It will resolve on its own over time with activity/stretching. Of all the problems LL can cause, if that's your biggest one you've done perfectly. You've gotten through all the high risk aspects of the surgery. This is just the "settling phase".
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That's a minor issue. It's just muscle tightness. It will resolve on its own over time with activity/stretching. Of all the problems LL can cause, if that's your biggest one you've done perfectly. You've gotten through all the high risk aspects of the surgery. This is just the "settling phase".
It's minor from a medical standpoint, yes...but not being able to be confident simply walking outside (especially now that it's summer) really sucks man. I've been stretching a lot but it hasn't seem to help much so far. Not sure what I have to do to resolve it.
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There's nothing else you can do to expedite it. Tendon and ligament growth is exceedingly slow as they have very poor blood supply. It will just take time. You can't rush it any faster than the tissues can adapt.
It's for the same reason fractures often heal much quicker than sprains/strains. Bone is quick. Ligaments and tendons are not.
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Hello Uppland
It is hard for me to sprint from a standing still position and run fast.. I think it is because muscles in some way loose the ability to coordinate... Remember all soft tissues around the femur are overextended and the muscles below your knees stay the same..I guess its a condition you might overcome with time or with lots of kinesiotherapy..
Oh, I see. Does this influence your everyday life?
Do you feel weaker and/or clumsier than other people who naturally grew to your new height?
Thanks for answering mate.
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you shouldnt read diaRies and get discouraged
the process is long for most people. give it up to 12 months total to sort of feel normal.
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you shouldnt read diaRies and get discouraged
the process is long for most people. give it up to 12 months total to sort of feel normal.
Oh I know. The major mistake I made while researching LL was reading some of the more epic diaries and thinking I could pull that off. I certainly commend them, but they are not the norm. Far from it. My recovery, as long as it's taking (at least, to me) is actually fairly average for 7cm.
I can totally deal with other weird side effects. For instance, I still have hip pain on my sides (sometimes pretty bad too, but nothing too crazy for the most part), and I have numbness on my left knee area. Those are fine, I'm tough, I can handle pain. I just want to be walking decently and not feel ashamed just to walk down the street. Maybe it's not as bad as I think it is, but it's to the point where I sometimes will stop walking and let people pass me (where there's a lull in the crowd) so as few people as possible see me.
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I understand, and it's definitely normal to not filly recover for 1-2 years
The numbness is something I have too, bit weird, but might go away when I get left leg corrected
If you're like me, you can technically walk, but it's not the same as before, and you don't wanna go out for a walk because it's srange... also takes a lot longer
I'm thinking I'll be good after correction, but tightness,etc, are things that take a while to really feel good about
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Yeah technically I've been pretty much crutch free at least a month now. So that's fine. Walking is just an embarrassment for me at this point, and that's what sucks.
It's just frustrating. I really would like to do a bit more...but now I'm having doubts about how "easy" another inch would be. Dr. G said I'd only have to click for like 2 weeks...but would recovery take another 12 months? LOL...
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The idea that neither yellowspike nor clarence is satisfied with their new height is discouraging. Would you say it was worth it so far yellowspike?
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I wouldn't say I'm not satisfied...just not as satisfied as I would like to feel. But then again, I haven't fully recovered yet. It's hard to tell. In terms of the gain, it's a big improvement. But I feel like I'm now annoyingly close to average but not quite. Based on being back at the gym and seeing a lot of familiar faces, I feel closer to average. If I had another inch under my belt, I think I'd be fully satisfied. Just blows to think I gotta do this sh*t again, but one day at a time.
Keep in mind my starting height was objectively bad. So those of you who are already at least 5'7" will probably more than likely be happy with one surgery.
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My starting height is worse at 164.
I'll be going from 164 to 169, I have walked around the world at 170 via lifts and I'd be happy post op. to be 169 w/ 4cm lifts to 173.
I'm surprised your not happy with your new height, i walked out today at 170 and the first guy i walked past was 168, then next guy 172, overall i felt pretty normal at 170.
so you say you are 174, here in uk that is merely 3cm below the male average.
have you considered a 3cm lift?
http://www.tallmenshoes.com/elevator-shoes-fy003.html
this is currently the best one and only one that is low top as well, this is likely the shoe i will be wearing post op.
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I'll be going from 164 to 169, I have walked around the world at 170 via lifts and I'd be happy post op. to be 169 w/ 3cm lifts to 172.
I'm surprised your not happy with your new height, i walked out today at 170 and the first guy i walked past was 168, then next guy 172, overall i felt pretty normal at 170.
so you say you are 174, here in uk that is merely 3cm below the male average.
I'm close to 5'9" in the morning (like 174.7), at night I shrink down to right around 5'8" or slightly above/below it sometimes (like 172.4?). I'm HAPPIER...it's a big improvement, as I have said. I'm just not entirely satisfied, right now. This might very well change. We'll see. I'd love another inch. I think I'd be done with the height thing forever at that point.
I hate lifts. They must make me feel that much worse about my height. I've used them in the past...and they become addictive. And then when they come off, you feel horrible about yourself. So no lifts for me.
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fair enough then, I love 4cm lifts and under as they feel like flats, I hate the 6cm ones as they feel like high heels, the 6cm ones are the ones I wear at the moment to judge my height post op.
my height barely changes in the morning or night, strange how your changes by a whopping 2cm!
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fair enough then, I love 4cm lifts and under as they feel like flats, I hate the 6cm ones as they feel like high heels, the 6cm ones are the ones I wear at the moment to judge my height post op.
my height barely changes in the morning or night, strange how your changes by a whopping 2cm!
Yeah, I lose like .75 inches sometimes...I thought that was about the norm? I read somewhere that most people lose .5-.75 inches throughout the day. Whatever!
Yeah lifts aren't my things for reasons I've already explained. If anything, I'll just wear a shoe/sneaker with a decent heel.
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maybe you should re-check, do you have a stadiometer, I do and I measure myself in morning and night, its pretty much always 164.5 or 164.3.
yeah the sneakers you mention are lifts, they are just 1cm lifts, its still a lift of sorts, you get them from formal wear shoes, some boots and some sneakers.
Im getting some 9cm lifts soon and at that point i should be able to see your new height and maybe I can judge a little better.
but do you not feel guilty about not being fully happy with your height when you see guys that shorter than you all the time?
I am thinking maybe it's because you lived a life of being a 5' 6" short man and now you want to even the score, to have a one up on a lot of men by only being fully happy with your height at 177, i have a feeling if you naturally got to 172 then you would't give a thought to your height.
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Lol, I was more like 5'5 1/2" my friend, possibly a bit lower than that. I agree with you...I think if I were naturally what I am now, I wouldn't care as much and I doubt I would have done LL. I think for me it's the mentality of my height being very borderline right now...like, I'm right on the threshold of where "short" begins. And I want a little more height as a buffer to that. We'll see. Maybe someday before I die I will make it happen. Have to recover from this one first, though.
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Feel a bit embarrassed myself as I am quite tall for an LL-prospect.
I wake up at about 179,7 and shrink to somewhere in the 178 range before I go to bed. Consider myself 178CM though because I'm the kind of guy that rounds down.
I'd like to be 186 at night (dad's 186,5 at night) but that's too much in one surgery in my opinion. I'm also something of a proportion nazi and so I would rather be going for 6-7CM in actual height increase.
Do you guys think it's possible to permanently increase torso length by maybe 5mm?
In that case I could lengthen 6,8-7CM which would translate to an actual height increase of maybe 6,5CM. I would be 185CM at night which isn't really tall (in N. europe) but respectable and normal for a young man which really is all I could ever ask for. Perhaps in the future I might be able to gain an extra CM and finally see eye to eye with my father.
What do you guys think?
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LOL yeah Uppland you are quite tall for this...but if you want to be as tall as your dad...if it really bothers you that much...just know that LL is really hard, really long, and the recovery period can seem like forever. I mean...I don't have tall siblings, a tall father, or live in a tall country...so I can't comment on how I'd feel in your situation. But if it bothers you that much, then go for it.
I also round down, so I take my evening height as gospel. I still have some duckass (a fair amount, actually), but not counting on it to help at all. I'm fine with saying I'm 5'8" because some days my evening height is a bit over, some days a bit under. It's fine for now. At worst, I suppose I consider myself a very slightly weak 5'8", which isn't too terrible.
I honest to God think I would feel 100% satisfied at 5'9" or even like 5'8.75" evening height. To me, that's on the lower end of average, but still safely within the average zone and above that critical 5'8" mark (which I'm right on the line right now). If you've done half as much online dating as I have, you see the following three thresholds a lot: 6ft, 5'10 and 5'8. I'll never see 6ft or 5'10, but as long as I'm safely over 5'8/pushing 5'9"...I can totally live with that.
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id say 172 is a weak 5' 8", 174 is 5 8.5".
well i guess it's how you feel at the end of the day, but i would look at other people in the world rather than a figure you see in your head as what you think is a good height, and in that case you will notice many men shorter than you, and at that point, you will realise you are a good height, I think.
yeah Uppland wow 178, I wouldn't do LL even if it was for free at that height, even 174 i wouldn't do it. i know like 10 guys at 170, none of them care about their height.
YellowSpike you said LL is a long and hard process, if you did 5cm would you feel the process isn't that long, the length of time it takes along with the mental strain etc. is my main reason to go for 5cm over 7cm, keep in mind i will be doing external tibia.
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upland go for it.. i had the same reason as u. i have tall siblings. there something that can really bother certain people about feeling belittled by people in their family. and getting out of ur head is near impossible. if you are serious enough about it its a small sacrifice that , yes will be tough at the time, but you will be glad uve done it in the long run. people shorter than you are naturally going to say that they wouldnt do it at your height, but u have to remember they arent you. 5'10 to one person can be completely different to another person. everyone told me i was crazy for doing it at my height but at the end of the day your doing it for yourself. noone else
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Yeah well obviousy it does bother me, a lot. That said I couldn't say if lengthening my legs is really the way to go, it's a tough decision and right now it feels as if I'm fukked either way. My shrink says I should forget about it which had the opposite effect, still I'm not very old so this might be an immature response.
Maybe I could do the surgery and then recover to a point where I can forget about it, I feel uneasy permanently changing my body though -especially since it's for the worse in many ways.
Enough about all that though, this is yellowspikes diary after all. Have you tried running yet mate?
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upland go for it.. i had the same reason as u. i have tall siblings. there something that can really bother certain people about feeling belittled by people in their family. and getting out of ur head is near impossible. if you are serious enough about it its a small sacrifice that , yes will be tough at the time, but you will be glad uve done it in the long run. people shorter than you are naturally going to say that they wouldnt do it at your height, but u have to remember they arent you. 5'10 to one person can be completely different to another person. everyone told me i was crazy for doing it at my height but at the end of the day your doing it for yourself. noone else
How tall were you then, and how have you recovered?
Oh, and thanks! I usually have my parents to confide in but I dare not tell them since I'm afraid they would dismiss the idea out-right.
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181 to 185.. im 2.5 months post op, finished lengthening a week ago.. im currently stretching out my ballerina which is very minor and gradually getting flexibility back in my legs.. walking with walker at this stage. on track to have frames off in 4.5 to 5 months
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oh and i am also doing this secretly.
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I thought you only got ballerina if you did 6cm or more?
it will always be beneficial to be taller if your under 6 1, overall there is not much a man can do other than get taller to improve himself, so i would say go for it, but given what you have to go through to be taller i wouldn't do it if i was 5' 8" or up, maybe if it took only 4 months with minimum pain, but not 8 months and a lot of pain.
but that's for another matter.
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181 to 185.. im 2.5 months post op, finished lengthening a week ago.. im currently stretching out my ballerina which is very minor and gradually getting flexibility back in my legs.. walking with walker at this stage. on track to have frames off in 4.5 to 5 months
Godspeed man, why did you lengthen such a small amount though?
I'm thinking about going for 185 as well.
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originally i was going to do 5cm but i chose 4cm for a number of reasons.
- the monolateral device has troubles the more you lengthen
- im completely satisfied with 185cm
- 4cm is alot safer than 5cm with this device
- proportions
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id say 172 is a weak 5' 8", 174 is 5 8.5".
well i guess it's how you feel at the end of the day, but i would look at other people in the world rather than a figure you see in your head as what you think is a good height, and in that case you will notice many men shorter than you, and at that point, you will realise you are a good height, I think.
yeah Uppland wow 178, I wouldn't do LL even if it was for free at that height, even 174 i wouldn't do it. i know like 10 guys at 170, none of them care about their height.
YellowSpike you said LL is a long and hard process, if you did 5cm would you feel the process isn't that long, the length of time it takes along with the mental strain etc. is my main reason to go for 5cm over 7cm, keep in mind i will be doing external tibia.
Well I think my evening height is a little more than 172. I just got back from the gym, and it's 8pm near where I live, and I came in at just over 5'8" (so over 172.7), using the aerosol can method (I've heard stadiometers can actually slightly overstate your height, but I'm sure it ain't by much). Some nights I've measured a bit lower, but never as low as 172.
I agree, many of the others on here like Uppland already have good heights...but we also don't know what it's like to have tall siblings, a very tall father, or live in a super tall country. So to us, while 5'10" might seen epic, it may not cut it for them. It is what it is...if this will improve their lives (we all deserve to be happy), all the more power to them.
If I did 5cm femurs, I'm sure this would have been much easier. What's tempting about doing another inch next year is that Dr. G said I'd only have to click for like 2-2.5 weeks, then focus on recovery. He also said it would be much less painful, and that I'd have less side effects (less duckass and less funny walking after clicking). Only, this time around, I would make more of an effort to walk more right after finishing clicking. The fact that it was winter (ice on the ground) and from my own fear, I didn't walk as much as I could have earlier on. That's my only regret from how I went about this process so far.
Had a decent workout tonight. Started weight training (very light though) for my glutes...need to get that ass back to help with the duckass and hip swaying!
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oh right your 173, ok then, I would recomend a stadiometer along with measuring yourself in the frankfort position, that is how the male average is measured anyway so ideally you should try to match that.
so when guichet mentions another height surgery, is he saying for the tibia, or is it for adding more on your femur?
Would you really pay that much money again just for 3cm of height?
I remember on the old forum some guy went from 5 2 - 5 7 with 2 LL surgeries, apparently he did it again to get to 5 8.5, but i didn't even know you could re cut the bone for further length.
he was living in US btw so wasn't in india or something, just a really really short guy.
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oh right your 173, ok then, I would recomend a stadiometer along with measuring yourself in the frankfort position, that is how the male average is measured anyway so ideally you should try to match that.
so when guichet mentions another height surgery, is he saying for the tibia, or is it for adding more on your femur?
Would you really pay that much money again just for 3cm of height?
I remember on the old forum some guy went from 5 2 - 5 7 with 2 LL surgeries, apparently he did it again to get to 5 8.5, but i didn't even know you could re cut the bone for further length.
he was living in US btw so wasn't in india or something, just a really really short guy.
Hmm I'll try that. I'm familiar with the frankfort position...may give me a few mm, I dunno.
I mean, the cost will be far less to do that last inch...still expensive (if you break the cost down per inch), but not as crazy as the first time. I'm not entirely sure about it yet. Dr. G thinks I'll have become satisfied by the time I fully recover. We will see. The only reason I wouldn't do it would be time and not wanting to go through the process (albeit an abbreviated one) again once I"m fully recovered and fully back to my normal routine (I am still getting there). Cost isn't too much of an issue (I can actually afford another full-blown LL with Paley or Guichet right now), but I'm trying to save for a house within the next few years.
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it usually will by half a cm, but that is how the measurement is taken for the male average.
in case your wondering about the 9cm lifts they are donsfootwear
http://donsfootwear.com/elevator-height-increase-5-inch
you just ask for 5.5" model, they will give you 9cm more height than flats, mine are arriving in a week and i should see what 173cm feels like.
but if you are 173 now, and you did 7cm LL, then you would have been 166 pre op.
you must think it strange that I am 164 and only doing 5cm, but I want a quicker process and I feel fine using 4cm lifts as part of my height solution.
I could do a 2nd LL to 174, then i wont need the 4cm lifts, but that's not worth the fuss.
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Have been getting asked to give updates, so here we go.
My right leg has been fused for a while now (maybe mid/late April?). As of my latest x-rays, my left leg is still not quite there yet (but was told it's like 95% of the way there). This explains why I still have numbness in that leg (which I never had in the right one) and why it was so easy to click this leg throughout the process. I've been crutch-free (including stairs, which I'm still very slow with) for about 6 weeks now. My walking is ok but I still have this annoying hip swaying. Dr. G and two other patients told me in conversation that their walking seemed to improve faster after both legs were fused. So it's just this stupid left leg that's holding things up at the moment, but apparently it's very close to being fused finally (I might have to kill someone if it hasn't fused by my next X-rays, probably in like 3 or so weeks). I'd still say my overall recovery is fairly average for an LL patient who did a good 7cm (maybe slightly below average if we're comparing to legends like ShyShy/OBG, but maybe even a little above average when factoring in all other patients, including non weight-bearing ones).
Have been doing light workouts at the gym, including the elliptical, stair master, and light leg weights (but very light for now, given my stupid left leg). It's not too bad. Once I can walk down the street without feeling kinda embarrassed, I will feel very close to being like my old self again. I haven't been cleared to do these things yet, but couldn't wait any longer, and I'm being ultra careful.
I'll continue to give updates every so often, but I'm kind of over it all, so won't be nearly as often. My next update will likely be when the hip swaying goes away.
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Alright, how does it feel to have longer femurs then?
Nice to hear you're over it, the dream is to suffer for a while and then move on.
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How does it feel? Honestly, aside from the occasional pains that I still have (due to hip screws, weak muscles, etc.), it feels and looks totally normal. If my gait were better, no one would know I did LL. Although, the height difference is pretty nice. I love doing cardio at the gym, and seeing guys that from far away look taller than me, but I'm the same height or taller than them when I'm closer to them.
I still feel like a short guy (probably always will to some degree) on the inside, but everyone is telling me that I'm about average now.
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How does it feel? Honestly, aside from the occasional pains that I still have (due to hip screws, weak muscles, etc.), it feels and looks totally normal. If my gait were better, no one would know I did LL. Although, the height difference is pretty nice. I love doing cardio at the gym, and seeing guys that from far away look taller than me, but I'm the same height or taller than them when I'm closer to them.
I still feel like a short guy (probably always will to some degree) on the inside, but everyone is telling me that I'm about average now.
Cool, I was afraid it'd feel weird. Is your tibia/femur ratio within normal range then?
I can tell you this much at least, before I became self concious of my height I thought of all men between 170 and 2m as pretty much average. Rarely gave someones height a second thought, now that you're in the normal range I reckon people will feel the same way about you, dunno if that makes you feel good or not.
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Cool, I was afraid it'd feel weird. Is your tibia/femur ratio within normal range then?
I can tell you this much at least, before I became self concious of my height I thought of all men between 170 and 2m as pretty much average. Rarely gave someones height a second thought, now that you're in the normal range I reckon people will feel the same way about you, dunno if that makes you feel good or not.
I posted some pics of my proportions a while back. I think they look perfectly normal, and will look even better when my quads fill out more.
Yes. I do feel better about my height, and think it will improve more when my walk is normal again. 173 isn't bad. I now find myself getting slightly annoyed only when guys I somewhat know are just a little taller than me. Tall guys don't bother me, I know they're obviously taller...but I get annoyed with the 5'9/5'10 crowd sometimes because it's like "I'm so close to being there." But I am happy with what I've achieved so far.
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Hey yellowspike, glad to see you are doing well. I'm hoping to do surgery with Dr Guichet next feburary. I'm also a trainee orthopedic doctor, I was wondering how you felt about posting X-rays, as bone union and consolidation with this surgery is an aspect which still concerns me a little. Were you required to get EOS 3D X-rays preoperatively, as this is a request I have from Dr Guichet, however it is very new technology and not readily available. I presume follow up X-rays were of the usual type. Also how do you feel about your sitting femur/tibia ratio? Would you consider posting a picture of this view? I appreciate if you do not want to post these things as it is a little intrusive.
Best wishes
Sunflower
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Hey yellowspike, glad to see you are doing well. I'm hoping to do surgery with Dr Guichet next feburary. I'm also a trainee orthopedic doctor, I was wondering how you felt about posting X-rays, as bone union and consolidation with this surgery is an aspect which still concerns me a little. Were you required to get EOS 3D X-rays preoperatively, as this is a request I have from Dr Guichet, however it is very new technology and not readily available. I presume follow up X-rays were of the usual type. Also how do you feel about your sitting femur/tibia ratio? Would you consider posting a picture of this view? I appreciate if you do not want to post these things as it is a little intrusive.
Best wishes
Sunflower
Hey Sunflower. Yes, I had to do the EOS 3D x-rays when I was in Milano. When you start the process with Dr. G, he will give you a list of all the things that you need to have done before he will do the surgery on you.
As far as the pictures, we'll see. I'm honestly not very comfortable posting many pictures or x-rays on here. Plus, the x-rays I have are all on disc. I sent the files to Dr. G via an app he uses, and he converts them to high-res x-rays. So the little jpeg files I have wouldn't be of much use to you guys I don't think.
My sitting femur/tibia ratio is fine to me. Not a single person has commented on it. I've hooked up with a few girls since being back, and they've obviously seen me nked, but haven't said anything about it (the one girl who knew I did LL said my femurs "matched" my tibias perfectly).
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Glad to hear your getting on well with relationships, it sounds like you are very successful with the ladies! Goodwork! Do you feel an improvement in your height neurosis? I think it would be very interesting if one of the cosmetic leg lengthening surgeons collected data on pre and post operative psychological states of patients to see if their is a significant improvement. I cannot find any scientific papers to this effect although Dr Guichet states that he thinks most of his patients derive a benefit. I have an appointment with a psychiatrist for pre surgery assessment next month. I would be interested to know what your psychiatrist thought about the procedure?
Thanks again.
Sunflower
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all the best YellowSpike!
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I've been back to my normal routine for some time now...and I have to say, 7cm of height makes a huge difference. I keep passing by guys that used to be taller than me even when I wore elevator shoes that supposedly gave me 3 inches (-1 for the fact that everyone else gets an inch in their shoes, and about -.5 more for the angle of your heel)...and now I'm about the same height or sometimes taller in just normal shoes. It's a pretty awesome feeling. 5'8" is of course still short, but it's a huge improvement from being just over 5'5", and I do feel like I blend in more unless it's all 6ft+ men around (which does happen sometimes).
Walking continues to improve, and I have times where my walking feels/looks pretty close to normal (with only a subtle hip sway). It's only bad when I've been sitting for a while or come off the elliptical/stairmaster when my legs are tight and the swaying then is more noticeable. But whatever, as long as it continues to improve, it's fine.
I'm moving forward with my life now, including making career moves. I make pretty good money for my age/location, but I know I can be doing better. I don't know if tibias are in the cards for me simply because they take too long (and I can't sacrifice my career for the ridiculously long tibia recovery). I'd like to do another inch in my femurs, and I don't think my femur/tibia proportions would be thrown off too much. I'm trying to think how I might manage to do an inch maybe using vacation time at a new job or something like that (it's only 2 weeks to get an inch, and then I'm told by Dr G that consolidation is usually much faster). If I have to come to work on crutches for a bit, then so be it. 5'9", for me, would be epic, and I think the official end of it all. Time will tell.
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if you wear elevator shoes with advertised gain of 3", they give you 3.5cm of height compared to typical piar of shoes, just so you know.
I have these
http://www.tallmenshoes.com/elevator-shoes-k8828102.html
they are okay to preview yourself 3.5cm taller, but not suitable for permanent use, you can instead put a 2cm lift inside a high top sneaker, this is much easier to wear.
but yeah 5 8 ain't short by any definiton, it is within 1 standard deviation of the mean, therefore it is medium height, youd really need to be 4cm shorter to be considered in the short range for men.
if you do another LL for 3cm will it be external tibs then?
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5'8" is short, but it's passable, at least.
I don't want to do tibias, I've heard even for an inch, external tibias take like 5 or 6 months. I don't have that kind of time. So I might do another inch in femurs and hope that my femur/tibia proportions aren't horrible. I've been told that some guys started at like 164 and did 10cm with the Gnail and still looked ok. So maybe I will go that route.
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I have only heard of a few cases where they re do the same bone segment, sounds like an interesting idea.
but is it worth spending £40K just for 3cm of height, especially when you are only 4cm below the male average? isn't that just a bit excessive, maybe you can put that money into something more practical, maybe get a trainer and work out or something, height seems less advantageous at this point.
actually 5' 8" isn't short at all.
standard deviation’ wikipedia, the average height for adult men in the United States is about 177.5cm/5’ 10” inches, with a standard deviation of around 3 inches. This means that most men (68%) have a height within 3 inches of the mean (170cm/5’ 7”–6’ 1”) – one standard deviation
‘Short stature’ –Wikipedia, "short" is 170 centimetres and under (5 ft 7 in) as it is 1 standard deviation below the average.
sub-reddit - For the purpose of this subreddit, 5'7'' and less is considered "short" for men
I would also point to the short and male documentary, where in men were from 5' 4" - 5' 6" living in the US.
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Well I won't say what the price is for the femur rebreak, but it's much cheaper than that. And as I said, I'm not entirely sure about this yet. Maybe I'll feel differently down the road. I think part of it is knowing that the very rods in my legs now have the potential for more (relatively easy, in theory) cm to get.
Tibias likely aren't on the table for me because I don't have the time to devote to super long recovery they entail.
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Oh I understand you now, I didn't realize he offered that service.
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Yeah the Gnail can go up to 10.5cm. I did about 7cm, maybe a little over (since we get more than what we click apparently)...so I have about 3cm left on the nail. Based on my discussions with Dr. G, the femur rebreak would be significantly easier and less painful. The rods are already in there, and since I'd only do an inch, he says I'd have less side effects (duckass and funny walking) and would consolidate faster. He said it is possible to do the whole thing about 6 weeks to be walking decently.
If I can get the time off at a new job (somehow), I might do it. It all depends on where my life is next summer.
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Walked into a house party last night...and two girls I hadn't seen in a while almost blew my cover. One pointed and looked at me with squinted eyes (I saw her through the corner of my eyes)...and another said (pretty damn loudly) "Yellowspike, you look so tall!" I played it cool and just said "I lost weight and grew my hair out." Phew.
Not gonna lie, it kinda made my night. I was only in sandals too 8)
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Walked into a house party last night...and two girls I hadn't seen in a while almost blew my cover. One pointed and looked at me with squinted eyes (I saw her through the corner of my eyes)...and another said (pretty damn loudly) "Yellowspike, you look so tall!" I played it cool and just said "I lost weight and grew my hair out." Phew.
Not gonna lie, it kinda made my night. I was only in sandals too 8)
Nice makes me want to get 7CM done as well, tough perhaps 6CM to ensure better proportions and recovery is the way to go?
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I mean, you're already a good height...so I don't see why you'd need to go beyond 6cm. I think recovery time starts getting longer once you pass around 6cm. 6-7 is moderate, beyond 7 I think it gets pretty long. It's been just over 6 months post-op for me, and my walking is only now starting to get semi-normal (still have a bit of funny gait, but much better than it was). I may not be ShyShy or OBD, but I feel like my recovery has been quite good all things considered (espeically since I've been working since 2.5 months post-op).
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I've been talking with other LL patients and have read some of the threads on here about various topics such as future complications, biomechanics, proportions, etc. While I understand that anyone has the right to do LL no matter what their height is and what their reasons are for wanting it...I'm starting to feel that (for me, anyway) it may be best to just accept it for what it is now and call it a day. Yeah, I'm still short, but I don't think anyone's life should be surgeries and then the long subsequent recoveries. Not to mention that I'm in my very early 30s and want to enjoy my relative youth. Another guy on here said something to the effect of "I feel great when I'm just standing around at my new height, but don't feel that great when I have to move." That kinda sums up how I feel sometimes. I may feel differently down the road, but I'm not sure a future LL is in the cards for me, as much as I'd like just another inch or two.
I hope people really think long and hard about this process and don't think they'll be able to have an epic recovery like some on here have had. This takes a lot longer that you think, I don't care how young or great shape you are in. Dr. Guichet has even said things to the effect that it actually takes years to really get truly 100% back to normal in every possible way (and I imagine I won't feel normal or close to normal until the nails are taken out). I'd love some more height, but the more I think about it all, I may just try to tolerate the situation and stop here, as much as I don't want to. All the time, money, pain, inconveniences etc. are a very high cost. The height increase is great, but this is why I personally can't wrap my head around people of certain already-solid heights (even though they're all perfectly entitled to their own feelings) wanting to actually do this. This sh*t is no joke folks.
Don't get me wrong. This was basically a necessity for me at my starting height and I don't actually regret it. It's mostly been worth it. Nevertheless, I still sometimes wonder if it's truly worth the astronomical costs (again - money, time, pain, logistics, etc.).
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yeah christ i wouldn't have paid the money you payed for it almost being £50 grand, maybe you come from a very rich background where people spend that kind of money on things but i haven't known anyone to spend that kind of money on anything.
but thankfully there is serbia and russia for the more affordable doctors, my whole trip will cost me about £9 grand.
but at the end of the day it is the height you can accept for yourself, if you can accept bieng 5 8 then great, it would have been a far better experience for you had you been ging from 168 - 173 as 5cm is the ideal gain for things like recovery and propotions nad what not.
its just a shame you were much below that target and had to endure quite a bit to go from that 5 to 7cm gain.
im doing my op in a week or two going for 5 myself and looking forward to accepting my height as well at 169.5
its all relative however i think most men can accept being 169- 173, even though it isn't the tallest of heights is no where near the true shortness of 164-167 say.
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Actually the financial cost is the least of my issues. The peace of mind I had going in to break my legs and have nails put in with a reputable surgeon was worth it.
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Yeah, it's rough feeling like you can't accept your natural height, I mean what are you supposed to do then?
It's either living the rest of your life being unhappy with yourself or to go through this . Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place.
How is your movement yellowspike, do you feel like a cripple or something?
Noticing any progress?
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Yeah, it's rough feeling like you can't accept your natural height, I mean what are you supposed to do then?
It's either living the rest of your life being unhappy with yourself or to go through this crap. Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place.
How is your movement yellowspike, do you feel like a cripple or something?
Noticing any progress?
Not feeling like a cripple at all. I can walk pretty well and have been doing the train, stairs, gym etc. I have some annoying pain here and there but I can deal with that.
My frustration stems from the high cost I paid to get here and still be unhappy with my height. But this can only go on of two ways...learn to accept 173 or do a future LL. For those who can clear a good height with one surgery may feel differently.
But once you've gone through this once....you'll see what I mean lol
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Not feeling like a cripple at all. I can walk pretty well and have been doing the train, stairs, gym etc. I have some annoying pain here and there but I can deal with that.
My frustration stems from the high cost I paid to get here and still be unhappy with my height. But this can only go on of two ways...learn to accept 173 or do a future LL. For those who can clear a good height with one surgery may feel differently.
But once you've gone through this once....you'll see what I mean lol
Yeah, man I don't want so sound like a jerk but I think I get how you feel. My goal was always to be at least my dads height but that's not gonna happen so I will always be more or less unhappy with my height -that's something we both will have to live with for the rest of our lifes.
I will say this though: 173CM is short in the west -no way around that- but it's normal. I see people that height or shorter every day, some are handsome, some are successful some are both. They'll always be short but their height doesn't define them like it for example does a 165CM guy. So that's a really big leap you've taken, from blatantly short to a height that no one will think twice on -not even here in Sweden would it be strange at all. Hell the current sex symbol over here is your height exactly, he's getting more blonde pussy than he can cope with, and the minister of state is shorter than you are.
Bottom line is, yeah you are short, but your height isn't holding you back anymore -you can do and be whatever you want. No one will question it.
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well at least your tibia surgery will be cheaper as you can use the cheaper devices like externals etc.
but can you do tibia while the nail is still inside for your femurs, i know you have to wait ages to remove the nail.
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Ha thanks Uppland. It's all good, if I recovery fully by next year (as in 100% pre op status) I still might do a second LL. I'm just a bit tired of it at this point, but gotta keep going. The thought of another LL makes me sick. I have other things going for me (including great facial aesthetics and career), but I have very high standards for myself.
Lol thanks but pretty sure I'd be seen as a midget in Sweden 8) Though I do love hot blondes....might have to travel there someday. Love Swedish chicks!
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Ha thanks Uppland. It's all good, if I recovery fully by next year I still might do a second LL. I'm just a bit tired of it at this point, but gotta keep going.
Lol thanks but pretty sure I'd be seen as a midget in Sweden 8) Though I do love hot blondes....might have to travel there someday. Love Swedish chicks!
Nah it's not that bad honestly, it really isn't. Feel free to hit me up if you're coming over, I think you're a cool dude.
Also height isn't such a big deal here either, almost never hear people talk about it.
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Nah it's not that bad honestly, it really isn't. Feel free to hit me up if you're coming over, I think you're a cool dude.
Also height isn't such a big deal here either, almost never hear people talk about it.
Right back at ya man. You are intelligent and wise beyond your years (remind me of myself when I was younger).
I'm more than happy to meet up with other people who want to do or have done LL (might be meeting some more people on here soon) and respond to PMs, but I think I'm done updating my diary for a while because I know how I'm coming across, and I'm definitely not like that in real life. I've said it a few times, but I mean it now.
My personal takeaways:
1) If you are ultra short, LL should really should only be done by those who are young and rich and can do two back-to-back surgeries (and don't have to juggle a career like us average Joes). One surgery will not be enough, you will still be short and very possibly not entirely happy (though this last bit varies from person to person).
2) Those who can clear 5'10" in one surgery (starting heights of about 5'7"-5'8") should go for it, they'll be set with one LL. Once you clear 5'10" it just doesn't matter anymore to most women and almost all people you will know (except if you have tall siblings and friends or are a lot shorter than your father, all of which I understand).
3) LL blows and is simultaneously the best thing (we can get taller) and worst thing ever (if you do this, you will see for yourself, trust me).
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Okay, but remember -we all want to know how your recover. It's just as interesting as the surgery process itself so don't leave us hanging for too long aight'?
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Okay, but remember -we all want to know how your recover. It's just as interesting as the surgery process itself so don't leave us hanging for too long aight'?
May be a while, but sure! The problem with recovery (which you will all see) is that even though we all definitely do make progress, it takes a while to see significant tangible improvement.
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who would you do for tibia lenthening?
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Yellowspike, i would like to do this surgery but I am not going to tell anybody. So I have a question, given G-nail is weight bearing, how many months from OP can you walk "normally". Like not robotic but maybe with a slight limp which is not too obvious?
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Yellowspike, i would like to do this surgery but I am not going to tell anybody. So I have a question, given G-nail is weight bearing, how many months from OP can you walk "normally". Like not robotic but maybe with a slight limp which is not too obvious?
Depends on how much you lengthen and how dedicated you are. I was very dedicated throughout lengthening, but slacked off post-clicking. It has taken me about 7 months to walk I would say 90-95% normally (hip swaying is almost all gone, and only slightly on one side now). You can be walking relatively ok about a month after clicking...so, add on at least a month to however long you're gonna click (which varies by how much height you want and your rate of clicking).
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I am so sorry I forgot the most important detail of all, really tired after work but: 6.5 cm femur
4 months PO normal walking is what I hope for. by normal I mean other wont be suspicious and get the idea of adding 1+1 (height gain + strange walking)
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I am so sorry I forgot the most important detail of all, really tired after work but: 6.5 cm
4 months PO normal walking is what I hope for. by normal I mean other wont be suspicious and get the idea of adding 1+1 (height gain + strange walking)
I mean I won't say it's impossible, because ShyShy apparently managed to walk normally in about that time for 7.5cm. But you're going to have to work really, really, really hard, and walk a ton every day right after clicking. You will not be able to work/maintain a job if you want to recovery that quickly, as you'll have to devote all of your time.
Also, everyone is different. Some people can pull this off faster, and some cannot. If I were you, I'd err on the side of caution and budget for more like 6 months just to be safe. I could have done it in 5 months, but I had to work starting from right after clicking, so I could not devote as much time to walking and recovery after lengthening ended. But, I eventually got there.
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Eventually my backup plan is to change job and create a 3 month gap between to get the lengthening done. Then when i go to the new work I walk on crutches and tell its an accident. people on the new job wont know my previous height :)
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Were you seeing a physical therapist, going to swimming pool (hydrotherapy) when you got back home? And where you able to drive straight away when you got back?
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What were the things he needed you to do before he'd operate on you?
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Were you seeing a physical therapist, going to swimming pool (hydrotherapy) when you got back home? And where you able to drive straight away when you got back?
After clicking, I didn't do any PT on my own. And this is where I may have lost a month or two of recovery. I actually started working again while finishing up clicking. I was working sometimes 10-12 hours a day at home this past winter, and I believe that hindered my recovery (even though I still believe my recovery has been quite good for 7cm, all things considered).
I did do hydrotherapy twice a week while in Europe, though. I found it quite helpful.
What were the things he needed you to do before he'd operate on you?
You have to do a psychological evaluation, write a motivation essay for why you want the surgery (he said mine was "amazing"), and I also did the pre-training program. I am happy I took the pre-training program seriously, as I do believe it helped prepare me for this.
I'm also using what I learned during the pre-training program now at my local gym to start recovery some of what I lost.
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so where r u exactly in the recovery process
can u run and jump properly
and how is your life now since u can walk nearly as u used to do
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Since you're too old to have grown naturally, do you foresee the change in height being an issue when you renew your driver's license?
How will/did you explain to your dr/GP in the states if they take your measurement? If you told ten about LL, what was their reaction?
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so where r u exactly in the recovery process
can u run and jump properly
and how is your life now since u can walk nearly as u used to do
At the moment my main concern is fixing my anterior pelvic tilt (aka duckass). It's not as bad as it was, but I still occasionally have some lower back pain. That's because I have an office job and sit a lot of the time, so while recovery is indeed taking place ,this has lagged behind. So right now I'm addressing it by strengthening my glutes and core, while loosening my hip flexors and hamstrings. I'm doing stiff-leg deadlifts, foam rolling and other stretches to fix it. It does seem to help. My physique is overall excellent, but my ass (while better than it was months ago) still needs some work.
Life is pretty much the same, I'm just a little taller and more confident. I'm still short at 5'8", but it's better than it was, and it's much better going up against most women (including when they wear heels). But it's still not ideal, in my eyes. I'll probably do a second LL someday. Just don't know when or how. I think I'll be happy with anything 5'9" and up (every inch below 5'10" counts for a lot).
Since you're too old to have grown naturally, do you foresee the change in height being an issue when you renew your driver's license?
How will/did you explain to your dr/GP in the states if they take your measurement? If you told ten about LL, what was their reaction?
I changed my height to 5'8" last year when I renewed my license as part of the motivation to do LL. Wasn't an issue to have them update it. I've had several doctors, so this hasn't been an issue either.
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Congratulations YelloSpike, you are now taller than before. I am happy to hear about successful stories about LL even though I didn't have the strength to do mine.
Keep up the good work!
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Congratulations YelloSpike, you are now taller than before. I am happy to hear about successful stories about LL even though I didn't have the strength to do mine.
Keep up the good work!
Appreciate it bud. Hopefully people can learn from my mistakes (cough **walk a crap ton more than I did after clicking** cough). As hard as I worked, I sometimes feel like I didn't do all that I could have. It's frustrating because I'm normally such a diligent person. Whatever...
Not sure what the future holds for me. I am doing my best to get on with my life. I am dating/hooking up with girls, focusing on my career, getting my body back (almost there, just need to fix remaining duckass and get my ass back), hanging out with friends again. I don't think I would have sought out LL if I were 5'8" naturally, although I'm still not satisfied. And I'm not sure how to proceed with a second LL. I'm speaking with two fantastic doctors at the moment (one is Dr. Guichet, duh) and am getting very mixed and conflicting feedback. And the thought of doing another LL actually makes me sick to my stomach...But someday before I die, I will be at a good height.
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How's your alignment Yellowspike after all this?
Have you got any full standing xrays you can share to look at your axis from?
I'd really like to go Guichet for weight bearing and rapid recovery, but he seems to have a very laissez faire attitude with knee/leg axis. ie. Just place the nail, click, and whatever you get you get.
Or maybe he is compensating for the expected alignment deviation in his surgery without advertising the technique he uses in his articles, etc.
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How's your alignment Yellowspike after all this?
Have you got any full standing xrays you can share to look at your axis from?
I'd really like to go Guichet for weight bearing and rapid recovery, but he seems to have a very laissez faire attitude with knee/leg axis. ie. Just place the nail, click, and whatever you get you get.
Or maybe he is compensating for the expected alignment deviation in his surgery without advertising the technique he uses in his articles, etc.
I think my alignment is fine. I was bow-legged before the surgery (my knees were further apart than the average), so this actually improved it a bit (or at least I don't think it made it worse). Dr. Guichet prefers femurs over tibias because tibias take longer to heal and are more prone to complications (hence why I'm only gonna do 3.5-4cm if I do tibias, they just terrify me). But, he has said that he's done patients up to like 20cm in just femurs, and they have had no long-term problems at all.
Dr. Guichet is super up-front and frank about all of this, so I am inclined to trust him. This comes with the LL territory. You want to be taller, but you can't do it "perfectly." You will have to accept sacrifices.
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Yellow . You still have duck ass some months after finishing lengthening. Did Dr guichet any release on your tendons like IT band release and adductors release?
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Yellow . You still have duck ass some months after finishing lengthening. Did Dr guichet any release on your tendons like IT band release and aducctors release?
Nope. No releases. That's why it's taking longer. As far as I know, he doesn't do releases.
I also haven't been as diligent as I should have been about stretching, but just started a new stretching/strengthening routine that I'm confident will address the remaining duckass.
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Do you know Why he doesnt do releases? I think it could help you a lot to get your normal posture back
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Do you know Why he doesnt do releases? I think it could help you a lot to get your normal posture back
No but it's well known, I believe, that he doesn't. I know Paley and Rozbruch do them. Dr. Guichet just does not. Makes the process harder, yeah. I think he's more into "natural healing" as opposed to messing with other parts of your body. But I don't know for sure.
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Appreciate it bud. Hopefully people can learn from my mistakes (cough **walk a crap ton more than I did after clicking** cough). As hard as I worked, I sometimes feel like I didn't do all that I could have. It's frustrating because I'm normally such a diligent person. Whatever...
Not sure what the future holds for me. I am doing my best to get on with my life. I am dating/hooking up with girls, focusing on my career, getting my body back (almost there, just need to fix remaining duckass and get my ass back), hanging out with friends again. I don't think I would have sought out LL if I were 5'8" naturally, although I'm still not satisfied. And I'm not sure how to proceed with a second LL. I'm speaking with two fantastic doctors at the moment (one is Dr. Guichet, duh) and am getting very mixed and conflicting feedback. And the thought of doing another LL actually makes me sick to my stomach...But someday before I die, I will be at a good height.
It's very understandable why you want more height and 5'8" is not satisfactory. You started your life as a short man and you just want to be tall or at least average. You've been through a lot about your height. If you started life at 5'8" maybe you wouldn't be seeking for LL because you would have definitely had different views about life and your height itself. It all makes sense and I can understand you because I'm goin through the same thing...
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Hope the duck ass goes away >_< your recovery is quite fast imo. keep going brother :D
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It's very understandable why you want more height and 5'8" is not satisfactory. You started your life as a short man and you just want to be tall or at least average. You've been through a lot about your height. If you started life at 5'8" maybe you wouldn't be seeking for LL because you would have definitely had different views about life and your height itself. It all makes sense and I can understand you because I'm goin through the same thing...
Thanks. 5'8" isn't terrible, but it's funny how I don't think I would have done LL (or felt the need to do LL) if I were 5'8" naturally. It's not an ideal height, but it's passable. Problem is I'm kind of a perfectionist. It's both a blessing and a curse, since I'm always striving for improvement.
Hope the duck ass goes away >_< your recovery is quite fast imo. keep going brother :D
I'm not too worried about it. I wasn't diligent enough early on after clicking with walking and stretching, hence why it's still there. But I am working more on addressing it now. My personal trainer noticed this past weekend that I had "anterior pelvic tilt." I think it's gotten better, but obviously he noticed it, so it's still there a fair amount. Will work on it.
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5'8" is short, but it's passable, at least.
I don't want to do tibias, I've heard even for an inch, external tibias take like 5 or 6 months. I don't have that kind of time. So I might do another inch in femurs and hope that my femur/tibia proportions aren't horrible. I've been told that some guys started at like 164 and did 10cm with the Gnail and still looked ok. So maybe I will go that route.
5'8 is a descent height. I achieved much more at 5'8 than being 5'11.
10cm never looks good, ever. Yes, you can get away with it with certain clothes but try to sit on your knees and you'll see that your heels are on the middle of your ass muscles - SO UNNATURAL!!
Running will also look totaly weird with the worlds smallest tibias!
But walking down the street with normal clothes I don't think many people will notice.
Keep fighting the duckass. Cheers!
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5'8 is a descent height. I achieved much more at 5'8 than being 5'11.
10cm never looks good, ever. Yes, you can get away with it with certain clothes but try to sit on your knees and you'll see that your heels are on the middle of your ass muscles - SO UNNATURAL!!
Running will also look totaly weird with the worlds smallest tibias!
But walking down the street with normal clothes I don't think many people will notice.
Keep fighting the duckass. Cheers!
Sweden! I'm honored to have you post in my diary man!
Yeah...I'm very torn with where I'm going next. Dr. Guichet has been insisting that I could do 2-3cm more, but I have my doubts. He sent me a picture of a patient who apparently went started from 162 and did I think like 16 or 18cm in just femurs!!!! In clothes he actually looked ok! But nked, or kneeling, who the hell knows. And I just landed a new job, so who knows where I can do round 2.
5'8" is ok...much friggin better than where I was, that's for damn sure. But...I'm always wanting more and wanting to improve. I feel like if I did tibias, I'd have that feeling of "I've officially done ALL that I could on the height issue." Not that that means I OUGHT to do LL for solely that reason, but I think you get what I mean.
Yeah...heading to the gym to work on the duckass right now. Stiff leg deadlifts, here I come lol
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If I were you I'd do tibs for better biomechanics, even tho it really sux since you have all the proper gear already in your femurs to lengthen more. If you can lengthen your tibs to match your pre-ll ratios that would be ideal but any amount will help alleviate the difference.
Also you can lengthen a bit more than what's left in the nail, every cm counts!
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If I were you I'd do tibs for better biomechanics, even tho it really sux since you have all the proper gear already in your femurs to lengthen more. If you can lengthen your tibs to match your pre-ll ratios that would be ideal but any amount will help alleviate the difference.
Also you can lengthen a bit more than what's left in the nail, every cm counts!
Thanks man. Yeah, that's the dilemma...a bit more on femurs would be much faster and cheaper and less traumatic (hardware is already there, like you said). But yea, tibias would be ideal. We'll see. I just accepted a new job, so I wouldn't be able to do another LL for at least another year. Femurs I know I could pull off faster, but proportions worry me, even though Dr. G is insisting 2-3cm more won't make my proportions terrible (they're fine now, though a tad borderline)
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Yelowspike, could you post a picture of yourself as you are now?
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Yelowspike, could you post a picture of yourself as you are now?
Oh sorry, I just saw that you already posted it in past :)
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Sweden! I'm honored to have you post in my diary man!
Yeah...I'm very torn with where I'm going next. Dr. Guichet has been insisting that I could do 2-3cm more, but I have my doubts. He sent me a picture of a patient who apparently went started from 162 and did I think like 16 or 18cm in just femurs!!!! In clothes he actually looked ok! But nked, or kneeling, who the hell knows. And I just landed a new job, so who knows where I can do round 2.
5'8" is ok...much friggin better than where I was, that's for damn sure. But...I'm always wanting more and wanting to improve. I feel like if I did tibias, I'd have that feeling of "I've officially done ALL that I could on the height issue." Not that that means I OUGHT to do LL for solely that reason, but I think you get what I mean.
Yeah...heading to the gym to work on the duckass right now. Stiff leg deadlifts, here I come lol
A guy who was 1,62 did 18 cms?? Now he is 1,80 (5'11") that is crazy!! Did you see him with his boxers or was he covering his whole body? And what type of clothing was he wearing? Maybe his shirt was too long an it made his torso appear bigger?
Maybe the guy had really short femurs, to begin with, but still... 18cms is crazy! I still don't blame the guy though :p
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dont your hands, since theyre on the ground, take away some of the stress?
Appreciate it bud. I'm more or less happy with the result. And I feel much closer to average, even though I'm still obviously under average. Maybe the duckass will help a bit, but I'm not counting on it at all. I have more than a year to decide if I want that last inch. This one's tough. This is such a long, hard and frustrating process, where I don't know if I could face it again. However, if it will be significantly easier and faster (including the recovery period) for that last inch, I might have to do it for full closure on this. I've suffered too much because of my height to go on not being completely satisfied with it. Shrinking slightly below 5'8" at night (not on all days, though) is just very annoying to me. Perhaps I'll learn to live with it, perhaps not. We will see. I take my life one day at a time.
I have some knee numbness in my left knee when I kneel. I feel it during doggystyle and doing lunges, for instance. It's annoying...hoping it goes away with time. If not, I think it's something I can live with, relatively minor.
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dont your hands, since theyre on the ground, take away some of the stress?
Nicely played crimsontide. Nicely played!
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:)
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Ran into a friend of mine today during lunch. He knew about the surgery, but we hadn't seen each other since I've been back. I believe he is 5'9" (or I know he claims between 5'9 and 5'10), and we were about eye level (maybe he edged me out a small bit, but we were eye level when talking). We were wearing very similar footwear (I always check this now, kinda sad). He said "wow...the difference is HUGE man!" As we say on the BB forums...feelsgoodman.jpg :)
Just need to fix this duckass and remaining hip swaying. I'm working on it.
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Hey yellow Spike, when you did your LL with Guichet, was it in Milan or London? I'm thinking he operates a lot in Milan, it's no problem except it would be a challenge finding living quarters for 4-5 months (7.5 cm) in Milan and bartering with an old Italian person for rent prices and such lol.
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Yellowspike, do u feel like you have gotten x-legs from the G-nail? What I understand the G-nail does not lengthen over the mechanic axis...Did Dr. Guichet ever mention a possibility of misalignment before your surgery?
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Yellowspike, do u feel like you have gotten x-legs from the G-nail? What I understand the G-nail does not lengthen over the mechanic axis...Did Dr. Guichet ever mention a possibility of misalignment before your surgery?
what? I thought all internal nails lengthened along the same axis. Unless some nails have curvature and some don't, that should hold.
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How is everything doing now bro? Have not heard from you in a while, hope all is well enjoying the new height? :D
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Just need to fix this duckass and remaining hip swaying. I'm working on it.
By saying duckass , do you mean ballerina foot?
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No. Duckass is you are standing and your ass post backward like donald duck
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I've been trying to avoid this site like the plague because it really does me a lot more harm than good. I won't get into it (I'm sure you can figure it out, not hard, read my previous posts), but I'm still really struggling with my height neurosis. I feel like I'm on the cusp of average...but not being average really kills me. I don't feel like I failed at this (as much as I used to), but a second LL is certainly in my future. Dr. Guichet told me he would not do tibias on me because my consolidation wasn't exactly fast (he said femurs are a good indicator of how tibias will go). And since I trust Dr. Guichet with my life (I'm glad I chose a very stern and conservative doctor)...he said my only options for more height are via femurs (either do the remaining 3cm on my current rods, or put in new rods and do even more). For proportion purposes, I'll do an inch more to 5'9" and call it a day. I feel like I come across so many men who just barely edge me out (5'9-5'10 range), and that is the range I want to be in. 5'9" might be a tiny bit below average, but I feel like 5'9" is mostly a "safe" height, and I really think I'll be happy then (since tibias really aren't an option for me due to time/risk reasons).
As far as my recovery, I'm doing fine. To be honest, haven't tried to run yet, but I will at some point. Also need to get more x-rays soon. Have been taking Bone-Up and I think it's working well. My left leg had been taking longer to consolidate, so hopefully it's caught up or catching up (it feels as strong as my right leg now, almost no pain in either leg anymore).
Remaining issues:
- Due to tight hip flexors (which I've been working on) and weak gluteus medius muscles, I still have a tad of hip sway when I walk. But sometimes my walking is entirely normal (when I'm stretched). When I sit for a while and my hip flexors get tight is when I run into trouble.
- Pain in my left glute when flexing it. This is due to the screw in that area, and this should go away once the rods come out.
- Overall flexibility needs work (quads, hip flexors mainly), but improving. Will keep working on this.
Good news:
- Scary pain in my left leg (that I had since the end of clicking until about 6 weeks ago) is finally gone
- Have been able to do weight training on my legs no problem (not extremely high weight of course, but solid numbers)
- Quads/ass are filling in nicely. I have a shape again and have gotten recent compliments on my legs and ass ;)
- Duckass is almost gone, but I think still there a bit (the only remaining "symptom" of this is lower back pain, but only occasionally)
So there you have it. This site is like poison to me, so I won't be on here (or updating/responding to emails) nearly as often. This site makes me feel terrible, to be honest (although I would feel the same regardless, this site just makes it worse). So I hope this update helps.
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Yellow if I may add:
I know you want to do more to become sort of average, but don't you think you might be pushing it a bit now. I know the desire to become average/taller, but considering what you're planning on doing (that is if I read correctly) to go an extra 2.4 cm on your femurs, I don't think it sounds safe. Provided the one guy called Andrew managed to successfully reach 9 CM on his femurs, I wouldn't push it that much honestly. I have no real room to judge, nor am I, I'd just stick to using some Nike Air Maxs for most of the time. But if you ultimately decided to continue at least I can give you credit for being reasonable enough not to push yourself into another surgery.
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To clarify to those not familiar with my story: I did 7cm and was then told by Dr. Guichet to stop. So I did...but next summer/fall (probably fall, so I can enjoy next summer), I'm going to do a femur re-break and do the final 2.5cm. Per Dr. G, after almost 2 year's rest (allowing consolidation and soft tissue to recovery, along with strength and flexibility), another inch shouldn't be too hard.
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alu is right
if you want 2 more cm... just wear bigger than normal shoes
you havent full recovered yet from the first surgery
i think its a big mistake to break both femurs for 2 more cm...
enjoy life... your issue is psychological now..
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I'm willing to concede that it's at least partially psychological and I am in therapy.
But I'm still short and just below average. I don't want to be thought of as a short guy all the time and want a bit more to get as close as I can to average. If I were 5'10 I'd agree it's all psychological, but I'm still short and can't accept that.
Anyway, that's my update. I'm out. Not saying that you were doing this but if people want to keep posting in my diary and forming opinions of me and my choices that's totally fine. Eff it. But this site isn't good for me, so won't be on here a lot. Won't be posting here or answering PMs much if at all.
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I'm willing to concede that it's at least partially psychological and I am in therapy.
But I'm still short and just below average. I don't want to be thought of as a short guy all the time and want a bit more to get as close as I can to average. If I were 5,10 id agree it's all psychological, but I'm still short and can't accept that.
Anyway, that's my update. I'm out. Not saying that you were doing this but if people want to keep posting in my diary and forming opinions of me and my choices that's totally fine. Eff it. But this site isn't good for me, so won't be on here a lot. Won't be posting here or answering PMs much if at all.
But won't you at least keep us updated on how you recover?
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Can't promise anything. Don't even feel the need to update because recovery is slow to the point that noticeable improvements are few and far between at a certain point.
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Can't promise anything. Don't even feel the need to update because recovery is slow to the point that noticeable improvements are few and far between at a certain point.
I'm sorry, how long has it been since you stopped clicking, when will you bone be healed?
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I'm sorry, how long has it been since you stopped clicking, when will you bone be healed?
I finished clicking to 7cm on the February 28th (those last clicks were PAINFUL). I believe my right leg fused in late April or early May (about 2 months), and my left leg took like 3 ish months, maybe a bit more. My left leg has always been my problem leg.
After what happened to PD, I am keeping my rods in quote a bit longer after I do another 2.5cm next year.
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hows everything going?
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Hey Yellowspike at what point did you change your mind from only doing 1 LL which you were adamant about the early part of your recovery to determined to go through LL again. What experience changed your mind?
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do you know the bone length of your tibia and femur, i want to know what ratio you have for proportions reasons.
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I figure since I'm on here, may as well update (even though I'm really not happy because I know I have another f*cking LL in my future)...but ANYWAY...
I feel pretty good! In the past six or so weeks (yes, that recent...far from ShyShy and his super fast recovery, but be warned that HE IS NOT THE NORM, especially if you have other responsibilities to juggle!!! can't stress that enough), I'm now going up and down stairs without holding onto the railing, and my speed of walking is basically normal. Hip swaying is 97% gone, and I only have it a bit still because of the left screw in my left hip is protruding a bit too much. This will go away when the rods or taken out, or I might have Dr. G just fix it (thinking of leaving the rods in longer to be extra safe after what happened to PD). That's really the only pain I have left...my left hip (but it's only when I do certain movements, and doesn't impede my day to day life).
I've been doing weight training, and my legs are starting to look nice and meaty again, and I'm actually in better shape (upper body wise) than I've ever been. I can jog in place and jog a bit, but it still looks a bit funny due to remaining quad/hip flexor tightness (both of which have improved greatly, but still there to a degree).
I know there's always talk of "100% recovery"...I'm not an athlete and was never a huge runner...I like weight training, and I do my cardio by rowing, elliptical, or stairmaster (all of which are easy as pie now). So I guess I think I'll make a "100% recovery," but I'm not an athlete like Sweden is. But I honestly think once the rods come out, I'll feel just like I did before LL.
Too bad I gotta do it again.
Hey Yellowspike at what point did you change your mind from only doing 1 LL which you were adamant about the early part of your recovery to determined to go through LL again. What experience changed your mind?
Because I'm still short. I know so many guys who just barely edge me out (5'9-5'10" range)...I want to be legit average. At that point, I think my height neurosis will be gone. I will not stop until I get to average. I've had the short label my entire life, and do not want it anymore. 5'8" is still short, no matter how anyone tries to sugarcoat it.
do you know the bone length of your tibia and femur, i want to know what ratio you have for proportions reasons.
My pre-LL tibia/femur ratio was 79%. My proportions look totally fine now...and I actually don't think they'd be that horrendous with 2cm added to femurs...but that's no entirely ideal. I think to think it over and talk to Dr. G and Dr. M.
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hey yellowspike,
glad to hear your recovery is going well. I can't wait until my walking and swaying is close to normal again. I just started to walk again and I literally look like a zombie haha
just want to let you know that I understand where you're coming from too. even after lengthening ~8cms with dr. G, I'm still considered short and think about doing my tibias sometimes. but the thought of going through a second LL just really, really sucks
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Haha you make it sound like you're being forced to have another LL as in someone has a gun to your head. First world problems :P
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hey yellowspike,
glad to hear your recovery is going well. I can't wait until my walking and swaying is close to normal again. I just started to walk again and I literally look like a zombie haha
just want to let you know that I understand where you're coming from too. even after lengthening ~8cms with dr. G, I'm still considered short and think about doing my tibias sometimes. but the thought of going through a second LL just really, really sucks
Congrats on getting 8cm! How do your proportions look? Maybe you could send me a picture of your proportions? I wish I could have gone to 8cm, but my left leg was just done at around 7cm. The pain got really bad, consolidation in my left leg wasn't great, and I think the soft tissue (at that time) had reached its limit. Given how long recovery takes (especially the funny walking that results from doing femurs), I'm actually kinda glad I stopped when I did in some ways.
This is why I'm so conflicted on what to do next. If I had gone to 8cm (Dr. G's average seems to be 7cm, so I got the average gain), my proportions would I think be similar to what they are now. So in my mind, it's like, why not just do another 2cm (1cm I might have gotten the first time, but didn't, so would another cm really kill me proportion-wise?). I just don't know what to do.
I'm really upset about this. I really, really need more height to be happy...but I really truly do not want to go through the nightmare of lengthening tibias (which take millions of years to heal). So even though tibias would be better proportion-wise, I'd only do an inch and a half tops (more like 1-1.25 inches) to keep recovery under a century at least.
F*ck this sh*t man >:(
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so you plan to re-break it for 2cm?
or do tibs for 4.5cm?
i am at 7cm now and may go to 7.5cm, so we are in the same situation, what to do i don't know, seems a lot fo people do 8cm as maximum safety limit but i just don't know.
will be 172 at 7.5cm, but i don't mind wearing some mild lifts.
goldenegg what are your stats, new height etc.
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so you plan to re-break it for 2cm?
or do tibs for 4.5cm?
i am at 7cm now and may go to 7.5cm, so we are in the same situation, what to do i don't know, seems a lot fo people do 8cm as maximum safety limit but i just don't know.
will be 172 at 7.5cm, but i don't mind wearing some mild lifts.
goldenegg what are your stats, new height etc.
I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm terrified doing 2cm more will destroy my proportions, yet I wonder how things would've been if I got 8cm in one go (and then wonder if another cm on top of that would really make it that much worse).
If your doctor thinks you can safely get 8cm, good luck. I was told to stop at 7cm. I didn't want to, but it was in line with my initial goal. This takes a very long time to recover from. If your consolidation is solid (at this point), and your flexibility still has some wiggle room, then go for it! Although you're doing tibias...they are going to take a LONG time to heal, man. I know a good amount of people have done 8cm (and even more, with Dr. Guichet) in femurs in one go...but recovery takes a long time (even worse with tibias). I'm mostly happy I stopped when I did for that reason alone.
I just don't know what to do. My God, I don't want to do tibias...but I feel like I'm backed into a corner and have no choice. I need to be at least 5'9" flat footed (at night), I just don't know how the f*ck to get there.
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yes i know the whole process will take 1 year for me as it's tibias.
you want 2.5cm to 5 9? tibias is the only way to go, wouldn't the whole process take just 4.5 months maximum? pretty sure 5cm takes about 7 months with tibias.
ye back then when you stopped at 7cm, i wouldn't do more than 8cm, as i know that is recomended maximum, never exceed that as height is not more important than health.
with that being said you need to respect the biomechancs or your body and go for tibias, no way 9.5cm on femurs would be appropiate for a guy who was 5 5 to do.
how long did it take to walk normal for 7cm with you on femurs?
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yes i know the whole process will take 1 year for me as it's tibias.
you want 2.5cm to 5 9? tibias is the only way to go, wouldn't the whole process take just 4.5 months maximum? pretty sure 5cm takes about 7 months with tibias.
ye back then when you stopped at 7cm, i wouldn't do more than 8cm, as i know that is recomended maximum, never exceed that as height is not more important than health.
with that being said you need to respect the biomechancs or your body and go for tibias, no way 9.5cm on femurs would be appropiate for a guy who was 5 5 to do.
how long did it take to walk normal for 7cm with you on femurs?
It took me a very long time to walk normally. Like 8 months post-op. I had hip swaying that last a long time (still do, thanks to one of the screws on my left hip). But it's almost gone now, and I'm no longer embarrassed by it. But I walked much sooner unaided (maybe 4 months post-op?).
Dr. Guichet has had many patients that started shorter than me (I was 166) who did more than 10cm on femurs, and apparently they have no problems and look relatively ok. Sometimes I think about doing 1.5cm more and then just call it a day...which I know doesn't make a lot of sense...just me bargaining with myself I guess.
But yeah...I know...now I'm stuck. Gotta break my tibias...
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I don't think Yellowspike should do another surgery but I can see where he is coming from.
It's frustrating being just a few cm's below average, so close and yet so far. What a happy world it would be if we were all the same size.
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I don't think Yellowspike should do another surgery but I can see where he is coming from.
It's frustrating being just a few cm's below average, so close and yet so far. What a happy world it would be if we were all the same size.
As much as I question if I should do so...I'll post a picture on here that shows my current proportions, and with an inch or so added to femurs and an inch added to tibias. I actually don't think the femurs look that terrible, but of course, tibias look better. I just feel like you guys are gonna rip me to shreds lol
Another LL is definitely in my future, whether I accept bad proportions or suck it up and do tibias. I'm too close to average to stop now.
And I agree with you. The world (in many ways, but not all, of course) would be a much happier place if men were all the same size. It would completely eliminate that factor from dating, and there'd be no height discrimination otherwise.
But this is life, and life's a bitch.
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Hi Yellowspike
I have been very quietly following your diary which is great thanks for all the info.
I am intending to have the surgery with Dr G at the Princes Grace Hospital London in December 2015.
I wanted to ask, having been through it all and knowing what you know now would you have considered IT Band Release?
After speaking to a few doctors IT Band Release is a same day in/out operation that takes approx 20mins per leg which if opted for the minimal release can give up to 2cm of length to the IT Band - So I wanted to know why you preferred not to do this?
Thanks
S.Souten
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In a word, yes.
However, it is my understanding that Dr. G does not perform ITB releases. This may have changed (if it has, I don't know)...but if you have the option, I'd say go for it. It will make lengthening easier and less painful. I may have gotten 8cm with it.
The two main things that limit how much you can lengthen are your soft tissue and (depending on how risk averse or risk loving you are) your bone consolidation throughout the process.
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Thanks for the swift reply.
Can I ask how many days were you in the Princes Grace Hospital for and who if anyone took you home/wherever you were staying - I ask because normally you have to have someone escort you from the hospital to your home if you have had an operation or did you just call a taxi?
Also where exactly did you stay while in London - I am planning on staying in a Hotel for the first 10 days after being discharged and then commute via train as I live approx. 40 miles from London. - what are your thoughts?
Regards
S. Souten
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Congrats on getting 8cm! How do your proportions look? Maybe you could send me a picture of your proportions? I wish I could have gone to 8cm, but my left leg was just done at around 7cm. The pain got really bad, consolidation in my left leg wasn't great, and I think the soft tissue (at that time) had reached its limit.
I think my proportions are ok, but when I look down my femurs do feel pretty long. sure thing, lemme figure out a way to take a decent photo of myself and I'll send it you. would be great to get your opinion too
It took me a very long time to walk normally. Like 8 months post-op. I had hip swaying that last a long time (still do, thanks to one of the screws on my left hip). But it's almost gone now, and I'm no longer embarrassed by it. But I walked much sooner unaided (maybe 4 months post-op?).
I fear that it'll end up take me a long time to walk normally too. my consolidation has been so slow that at least 2 people I know who had their surgeries after me started walking unaided weeks before me. I just started and my walking looks just terrible
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goldenegg what are your stats, new height etc.
hey microman, I went from 5'2 to 5'5
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I think my proportions are ok, but when I look down my femurs do feel pretty long. sure thing, lemme figure out a way to take a decent photo of myself and I'll send it you. would be great to get your opinion too
I fear that it'll end up take me a long time to walk normally too. my consolidation has been so slow that at least 2 people I know who had their surgeries after me started walking unaided weeks before me. I just started and my walking looks just terrible
Yeah I know what you mean. We'll talk offline. I feel like my proportions definitely could have handled 8cm in one go, but I'm actually happy I stopped when I did. This makes me question doing 2cm more on femurs (Dr. G is adamant that my proportions could even handle 5cm more, lol, but I think he's a bit crazy with that remark, maybe 2cm more max). Walking after lengthening 7cm and up on femurs looks ugly for a long time (and this is something that I don't think is discussed or disclosed nearly enough as it should be). Only recently have I become satisfied with my walking. I can jog, and stairs are now no problem too.
With regards to consolidation, that and soft tissue elasticity are really the deciding factors for how well and how fast we can recover. And it has nothing to do with age...I've seen young patients (young 20s) take forever to consolidate while older men above 40 consolidated super fast. They need to come up with a way to make the bones consolidate faster to make this a more viable surgery (aside from the astronomical costs).
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Yellow, has anyone actually pointed out your proportions in anyway? Considering you are returning to normal life now for the time being, have you taken greater note of your proportions compared to others? It's practically a reason why I recommend going tibia route (even though I am in the camp of 5'8 is fine for life). What's your cycling inseam btw?
I think my proportions are ok, but when I look down my femurs do feel pretty long. sure thing, lemme figure out a way to take a decent photo of myself and I'll send it you. would be great to get your opinion too
goldenegg, do you think I could also possibly see your proportions. I can promise wholesomely that I won't show anyone else the pictures, a reference might help me out here. Thanks
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Yeah I know what you mean. We'll talk offline. I feel like my proportions definitely could have handled 8cm in one go, but I'm actually happy I stopped when I did. This makes me question doing 2cm more on femurs (Dr. G is adamant that my proportions could even handle 5cm more, lol, but I think he's a bit crazy with that remark, maybe 2cm more max). Walking after lengthening 7cm and up on femurs looks ugly for a long time (and this is something that I don't think is discussed or disclosed nearly enough as it should be). Only recently have I become satisfied with my walking. I can jog, and stairs are now no problem too.
With regards to consolidation, that and soft tissue elasticity are really the deciding factors for how well and how fast we can recover. And it has nothing to do with age...I've seen young patients (young 20s) take forever to consolidate while older men above 40 consolidated super fast. They need to come up with a way to make the bones consolidate faster to make this a more viable surgery (aside from the astronomical costs).
How long post-op did it take you to be able to walk up stairs? I'm 4.5 months post-op and I have trouble even standing up and getting off my bed. Is it mainly lack of leg muscles that prevent you from doing these things or bone consolidation?
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yellowspike you must do something as soon as possible, otherwise you will go crazy.
hey microman, I went from 5'2 to 5'5
ah okay, did you say you are planning tibia.
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yellowspike you must do something as soon as possible, otherwise you will go crazy.
As if I haven't already microman? :P
There is no way I'm going to be happy until I'm at least 5'9". I never would have thought that an inch would make so much of a difference...but I feel like that last inch would have made me legit average (or so minutely beneath it, that it would be hardly discernible in most situations). And even though I know I told you guys that I was happy I stopped when I did (for safety/recovery reasons, I actually still am), I still beat myself up for maybe not working as hard as I should have. I really thought I gave this my all, and never missed a single session of PT. I wonder how I would have felt if I made it to 7.5/8cm. But whatever.
Whether I accept bad proportions for a lower cost and super fast recovery (only 10 days to click to get 2.5cm...super tempting...) or break my tibias remains to be seen. But definitely, definitely will be more broken bones in my future. And it's just as well...LL was actually the third time in my life that I've suffered from broken legs. I'm like Humpty Dumpty who has (so far) been able to been put back together millions of times. I've broken my ankles twice before in the past, but was also a lot younger (and braver).
How long post-op did it take you to be able to walk up stairs? I'm 4.5 months post-op and I have trouble even standing up and getting off my bed. Is it mainly lack of leg muscles that prevent you from doing these things or bone consolidation?
Oh yeah, you're gonna be having issues for a while. I was doing stairs where you are now (4-4.5 months post-op) but was doing them VERY slowly and carefully. My apartment has stairs, so I had lots of practice with and without crutches. It's only been in the past 2 months (8-9 months post-op) where both of my legs began to feel strong enough where I trusted them to do stairs exactly as I used to before the surgery (fast, and without holding any railings). And it's only in the past 6 weeks where my legs and ass have started to look like their old muscular selves again ;)
The two things that make recovery from femurs (as far as normal walking) take forever are bone consolidation and soft tissue, but the soft tissue is much worse. My bones consolidated faster (although slow per Dr. G's high standards), but to give you an example...my left leg (the evil leg) had this scary pain at the end of clicking. It was this freaky, worrying pain that would literally shoot down my entire leg when I moved it certain ways, and only just stopped about 2.5-3 months ago (fairly recently). I think that my left leg's soft tissue had been stretched to its limit at the time, but has recovered nicely.
If I were you, I would now focus on stretching your hip flexors and strengthening your gluteus medius. Hip swaying is caused by weak glute medius muscles as well as hip flexor tightness (and to a lesser extent, duckass is kinda involved too).
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but when must you decide, surely you will have to make a decition before he takes the nail out, can you do tibias while the femur nail is in place?
if you do tibia which doctor will you go with.
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but when must you decide, surely you will have to make a decition before he takes the nail out, can you do tibias while the femur nail is in place?
if you do tibia which doctor will you go with.
If I do tibs, the only choice for me is Dr. Monegal as far as I'm concerned. And by the time I'm ready for tibias, the screws might be out. The sucky part is that I just started a new job...so while I'll get a bonus this year it's gonna be lower than what I would normally get. And I'm still only about 60% recouped from what I spent on Dr. G. I want to at least get my cash savings to what they were before I potentially lose this job for tibias (although based on new information, that might not be necessary, but I'd need to be working here longer to earn some more clout).
At some point soon I'll post a picture of my proportions. I know everyone's gonna rip me to shreds (I think the people on here are bit more Nazi-ish when it comes to proportions than I am), but I feel like I'm so borderline. I even toy with the idea of doing 1.5cm more so I'm at least a super strong 5'8", because it would be super fast...I just don't know...
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you already did post a picture of your proportions.
oh right so it will be internal tibia, cool stuff.
5 8 to 5 9 is a big percentile jump for sure.
so when then, in the next few months.
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you already did post a picture of your proportions.
oh right so it will be internal tibia, cool stuff.
5 8 to 5 9 is a big percentile jump for sure.
so when then, in the next few months.
Yup, sure is. Every inch below 5'10" counts for a lot. Men 5'10" and above simply cannot appreciate this. They simply do not realize how good they have it. Any woman (or anyone, really) who refers to someone 5'10" and above as "short" is a c**t/a**hole and needs to get their head and eyesight examined.
I did, but I have a much better (and truer) pic, also showing both scenarios (femurs vs. tibias).
It wouldn't be for at least another year. Which kinda sucks that it's gonna be hanging over my head until then. But at least I know there's hope and that someday, this will be over once and for all and nothing will be holding me back anymore.
Anyway, I've ranted enough for now 8)
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If you're doing this again, I'd do it soon instead of being miserable for a year or more before the pain pain even starts. Life is too short to be miserable between LL's and then take the long time to do LL. if money is such an issue, maybe consider LON or LATN. Same price as externals more or less, but you get a weight bearing nail in each of your legs that expedites walking and recovery a whole lot.
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Yup, sure is. Every inch below 5'10" counts for a lot. Men 5'10" and above simply cannot appreciate this. They simply do not realize how good they have it.
why not go for 5' 10" then, or are you worried about being more than 5cm taller than wingspan?
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If you're doing this again, I'd do it soon instead of being miserable for a year or more before the pain pain even starts. Life is too short to be miserable between LL's and then take the long time to do LL. if money is such an issue, maybe consider LON or LATN. Same price as externals more or less, but you get a weight bearing nail in each of your legs that expedites walking and recovery a whole lot.
You're absolutely right, but I just can't swing it until next summer at the earliest I don't think. So it just is what it is for now, even though it sucks (and I'm still pissed that I have to do it, and yes, I have to do it, no question).
why not go for 5' 10" then, or are you worried about being more than 5cm taller than wingspan?
Nope, 5'9-5'9.5" is fine. Tibias take an eternity to heal, and I'm still kinda even scared to do them (but I got over my fear the first time and was fine), so I want to keep the risks in check as much as possible. So I'm only looking for another 1-1.5 inches more max on tibs.
Thank you guys for hearing me out. I know I rant a lot. But you don't know how it feels to put all your resources on the line, do this, and still be objectively short. I know I have to do another LL in order to be fully happy with my body, but I am PISSED (in case you haven't noticed) that this is the case. I want nothing more than to get the f*ck on with my life, find a wife, etc. but that can't happen until I'm fully happy with myself.
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The biggest thing man is you don't trade one neurosis for another (proportional).
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The two things that make recovery from femurs (as far as normal walking) take forever are bone consolidation and soft tissue, but the soft tissue is much worse. My bones consolidated faster (although slow per Dr. G's high standards), but to give you an example...my left leg (the evil leg) had this scary pain at the end of clicking. It was this freaky, worrying pain that would literally shoot down my entire leg when I moved it certain ways, and only just stopped about 2.5-3 months ago (fairly recently). I think that my left leg's soft tissue had been stretched to its limit at the time, but has recovered nicely.
If I were you, I would now focus on stretching your hip flexors and strengthening your gluteus medius. Hip swaying is caused by weak glute medius muscles as well as hip flexor tightness (and to a lesser extent, duckass is kinda involved too).
sounds more like nerve damage? shooting pains...
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I want nothing more than to get the f*ck on with my life, find a wife, etc. but that can't happen until I'm fully happy with myself.
Why not try to find a wife now? I was super serious about LL 3 years ago. But having a loving girlfriend who made me happy and who didn't care about my height was what stopped me from getting LL for the past 3 years. Perhaps you should try finding the wife first, and then maybe you wouldn't care about your height so much anymore. Unless you're specifically into girls who are 5'9", I don't see how being 5'9 vs 5'8 could be that much of a difference to a girl. I honestly can't tell much difference between someone who's 5'8" and 5'10" while I'm 5'9", unless I'm purposefully standing shoulder to shoulder with them and comparing heights. At that point, the types of shoes we wear will eliminate the difference.
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Why not try to find a wife now? I was super serious about LL 3 years ago. But having a loving girlfriend who made me happy and who didn't care about my height was what stopped me from getting LL for the past 3 years. Perhaps you should try finding the wife first, and then maybe you wouldn't care about your height so much anymore. Unless you're specifically into girls who are 5'9", I don't see how being 5'9 vs 5'8 could be that much of a difference to a girl. I honestly can't tell much difference between someone who's 5'8" and 5'10" while I'm 5'9", unless I'm purposefully standing shoulder to shoulder with them and comparing heights. At that point, the types of shoes we wear will eliminate the difference.
Nope. Absolutely not. Remember...a woman/wife can leave you IN AN INSTANT. Woman have it a million times easier and just have be decently attractive (we as men have to be tall/average, confident 24/7/365, make money, etc.). The minute a woman starts to get bored or there are problems, they slowly start detaching and making their decisions behind the scenes.
I do agree having an attractive girlfriend/wife would help me a lot (believe me, I've been there), but it's a temporary fix (just like therapy). I've learned the hard way to NEVER RELY ON A WOMAN OR EVEN A WIFE FOR HAPPINESS. And if you are 5'9" (can't remember what your exact measurement is, I remember your starting height was very similar to mine), you made the cut and are officially average or so minutely beneath it, it doesn't matter (you're average). But you have a girlfriend (I think Sweden did too), so maybe your sentiment is just different right now.
That last inch/inch and a half means everything to me. I still feel like a failure for not getting 8cm in one go, and this will help erase that feeling too.
I have to repeat once again - do not ever, ever rely on a girlfriend or even a wife for happiness. They love you until they don't. Women are very different and are never as loyal or committed as men (once the man has fallen in love and attraction is established).
I personally am very sentimental and a hopeless romantic (as much as I hate to admit that), and I believe that people need people. However, we live in this world where there is so much pressure put on "YOU DON'T NEED ANYONE TO BE HAPPY," and most of that pressure is put on men. If I loved a woman I wouldn't care if she felt partially (not entirely, that would be crazy) dependent on me. But maybe it's just me.
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I still feel like a failure for not getting 8cm in one go, and this will help erase that feeling too.
this statement is making me think on doing 8cm, i am at 6.8cm atm.
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this statement is making me think on doing 8cm, i am at 6.8cm atm.
You're doing tibia with the monorail...I wouldn't push it.
My 2 cents
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Yellowspike
Are you able to tell us your Cybex scores pre and post training.
I have just completed my post training Cybex test and at 60/60 I get:-
Left Leg 179/125 (Avg Peak Torque) and 184/130 (Peak Torque)
Right Leg 173/137 (Avg Peak Torque) and 181/156 (Peak Torque)
I have not spoke to Dr G yet but wanted your opinion.
Thanks
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Hey, Yellowspike, How do you feel showing proportion images since you have had time to regain muscle mass.
Hope you are well.
Sunflower
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Nope. Absolutely not. Remember...a woman/wife can leave you IN AN INSTANT. Woman have it a million times easier and just have be decently attractive (we as men have to be tall/average, confident 24/7/365, make money, etc.). The minute a woman starts to get bored or there are problems, they slowly start detaching and making their decisions behind the scenes.
I do agree having an attractive girlfriend/wife would help me a lot (believe me, I've been there), but it's a temporary fix (just like therapy). I've learned the hard way to NEVER RELY ON A WOMAN OR EVEN A WIFE FOR HAPPINESS. And if you are 5'9" (can't remember what your exact measurement is, I remember your starting height was very similar to mine), you made the cut and are officially average or so minutely beneath it, it doesn't matter (you're average). But you have a girlfriend (I think Sweden did too), so maybe your sentiment is just different right now.
That last inch/inch and a half means everything to me. I still feel like a failure for not getting 8cm in one go, and this will help erase that feeling too.
I have to repeat once again - do not ever, ever rely on a girlfriend or even a wife for happiness. They love you until they don't. Women are very different and are never as loyal or committed as men (once the man has fallen in love and attraction is established).
I personally am very sentimental and a hopeless romantic (as much as I hate to admit that), and I believe that people need people. However, we live in this world where there is so much pressure put on "YOU DON'T NEED ANYONE TO BE HAPPY," and most of that pressure is put on men. If I loved a woman I wouldn't care if she felt partially (not entirely, that would be crazy) dependent on me. But maybe it's just me.
I agree with everything you say here. I'm a strong believer that the right time to get involved with a woman is when you honestly don't need one....... Once your life is put together (to whatever standard you believe in), you will no longer feel the need or urgency to get involved in a relationship to be happy....and once that happens you will naturally become more attractive to the right woman instead of the "basket cases".
If LL is still in the back of your mind, I think this might sabotage your relationships......but remember, no theory is 100%.
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Dear Yellow Spike.
Thanks for the insight.
Can you please tell me exactlyyy what exercises, routines and etc to focus on so I dont have to do the one month preop with Dr G. Im already in awesome shape athletic and flexible.
But could you like write me the most genuine and awesome preop plan so to get an amazing cybex.
Thanks.
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I agree with everything you say here. I'm a strong believer that the right time to get involved with a woman is when you honestly don't need one....... Once your life is put together (to whatever standard you believe in), you will no longer feel the need or urgency to get involved in a relationship to be happy....and once that happens you will naturally become more attractive to the right woman instead of the "basket cases".
If LL is still in the back of your mind, I think this might sabotage your relationships......but remember, no theory is 100%.
Agree with this.
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People keep hounding me to update, so here goes ::)
My recovery is fine. I think I would have been able to be somewhat like ShyShy (even if a few months behind him - again, his recovery is NOT the norm, not even for Dr. G, and he also didn't have to start working right after clicking like I did)...if it weren't for the f*cking left screw causing me pain there (don't think he had that issue). What happens with Dr. G is that he uses these very large screws on your hips/gluteus medius area. As a result...when you start walking and lifting weights/squatting again, the muscles aren't fully able to activate. I have found workarounds for this (weighted hip thrusts, and doing squats a certain way), and have strengthened my glutes a good amount. My ass is coming back nicely. But my left side is weaker, and that results in me still having a very subtle hip sway. No one notices it but me, and it's no longer embarrassing, but it's a bit annoying.
The only other recurring issues I have are general tightness and some lower back pain (on and off). My job unfortunately entails that I sit all day, so I try to counter this with time in the gym/stretching (which does help). My hip flexors are tight (they are a big part of what causes duckass), and I try to stretch them, but when I forget to, that's usually when the back pain comes back a little bit.
People ask about my running. I honestly can run...I just choose not too, because it still looks a bit funny (thanks to that God damned evil left screw...). But I can do it just fine. And the left screw pain has actually improved a good amount, but won't fully stop until it comes out.
My recovery has been good, but could have been great if it weren't for the left screw in my hip...you have no idea what that pain is like. It's not that bad anymore (maybe I'm just used to it)...but it's SUPER annoying, and affects a lot of movements. It doesn't affect those movements as much anymore, but still does to a degree.
And as everyone knows, now I'm in the no-win situation of having to choose how to get some more height. I'm still not happy with my height at all, and still feel like a failure for not getting 8cm in one go. I'm preparing myself for having to do tibias. I'm going to have to sacrifice a lot...more than I did to do femurs...but nothing in life that's worth it is easy.
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and still feel like a failure for not getting 8cm in one go
Dude, this might actually be a blessing in disguise. With enough pain killers and excessive stretching, you could have reached your goal of 8cm or even more..... the difference is that right now you might have been bedridden or really walking like a 5'9" fck tard cursing this surgery. Guichet was wise to get you to stop.
Don't worry, you will still get your chance to reach your dream height. At least you are still in the game, and wiser than ever.
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Dude, this might actually be a blessing in disguise. With enough pain killers and excessive stretching, you could have reached your goal of 8cm or even more..... the difference is that right now you might have been bedridden or really walking like a 5'9" fck tard cursing this surgery. Guichet was wise to get you to stop.
Don't worry, you will still get your chance to reach your dream height. At least you are still in the game, and wiser than ever.
Thanks man :) I know. That's what I tell myself every day. I just hate not fully achieving goals, but this is different, because it's our health. It's not like working out at the gym or running a marathon, unfortunately (at least if they fail, they can keep trying until they achieve it).
This might be it for me. I don't know how the hell I'm going to find the time to do another surgery. At least it's an improvement from what I was. It still sucks...and I'm still not resolved on this...but it might have to be it. I'm trying to wrap my mind around that very real unfortunate possibility.
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Yellowspike you're a smart guy. You will be OK
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Yellowspike you're a smart guy. You will be OK
Thanks buddy.
Well...Dr. Guichet said something to me last year. He said "About a year after your surgery, you will look in the mirror one day, and see that your proportions have greatly improved. Right now your proportions will be like jello, but they will get better." I didn't know what he meant then, but I see it now. A girl I've been seeing just left, and I was getting dressed, and saw my legs totally nked...and my proportions are looking much better. Now that my ass, quads, and hamstrings are much more beefed up, they look how they did before the surgery. It does give a tad more credence to the possibility of doing an inch (max, maybe even more like 2cm) more on femurs. My proportions wouldn't look great by any means, but I think they'd be passable. I feel like it would only be something I would notice (or anyone who's a proportion nazi, like many on here).
And another doctor I spoke to (Catagini) said an inch on tibias would take 3-4 months to walk unaided. Not terrible, although that's a large chunk of time for just an inch...but not totally atrocious time-wise (my biggest issue). So that's an option too. The only issue for me is time if I do tibias (but femurs, I'd be able to bang out with just a vacation from work and barely miss a beat, I think).
There's hope. Totally annoyed that I have to do this again in some form, but I refuse to be unhappy with my body in the end. I'm in the best shape now I've ever been in...muscular, lean, almost have a 6 pack (very close to it), V-shape from larger shoulders...but I refuse to let the height bring me down.
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Hey Yellowspike, would you say your recovery so far was worse than the average Guichet patient or about the same?
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Hey Yellowspike, would you say your recovery so far was worse than the average Guichet patient or about the same?
From what I've seen and heard of Dr G's patients, I'd say average. What held me back are the facts that I had to work right as I was ending clicking (too much sitting way too soon - it was that, or lose my job) and the left hip screw (this issue happens to like 50% of his patients). Dr G has said he is satisfied with my recovery. I mostly am too. Would have liked some more height, but maybe it's good I stopped at 7cm (for now).
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I think I might need a hiatus from this forum based on conversations with my therapist. I'm on here too much.
However...I intend to eventually post a video of myself running, since everyone is dissing my recovery. My recovery has been quite good...just not as great or as fast as ShyShy's. If it weren't for that left screw, I'd do it now. Once I get the screw adjust and/or the rods out, I'll do it. I'm doing better (physically) than my diary might seem.
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I think that's absolute best dude. This forum is an echo-chamber and I realized that the longer I was away from it the past two weeks (Man nothing makes you forget about your height then a possible STD scare huh) the more I was living life and being happy.
In sense I was in my ignorant little hole, that wasn't so bad.
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YellowSpike, I hope you leave and never come back--I'm planning to do very much the same when I finish. Maybe a post or two in several years to update us on your recovery.
Aside from reading patient diaries and educating yourself on LL concepts, I'm afraid theres little positivity or value that one can derive from hanging around the forum.
Thanks for your diary and contributions
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YellowSpike, I hope you leave and never come back--I'm planning to do very much the same when I finish. Maybe a post or two in several years to update us on your recovery.
Aside from reading patient diaries and educating yourself on LL concepts, I'm afraid theres little positivity or value that one can derive from hanging around the forum.
Thanks for your diary and contributions
Yeah. I need to get off of here. Nothing on the people on here. But there is a lot of negativity (which I know I sometimes feed into, and that's on me and my own neurosis), and it makes height neurosis worse. But it's still been a great source of information.
I'll eventually come back and post a video of me running one I fix the left screw issue.
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Thanks for posting Yellowspike. Have just a question for you: do you think you would have better mobility and overall recovery if you had lengthened a smaller amount? For example 3.5cm instead of your 7cm. Thanks always
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Toying with the idea of putting up a video of me running/jogging soon (to prove that I have recovered well, contrary to what some people on here seem to believe). I can squat and jump no problem, and my quads/hamstrings/glutes are looking as meaty as ever. I actually fully fill out my jeans and chinos now. I run up and down stairs now like nothing without even thinking, and my flexibility has made great strides (hamstring flexibility needs a tad more work to be able to touch the floor with the palms of my hands, but I'm almost there). The only annoying thing with this is that I've found I have to keep stretching, but I seem to retain it more. I just stretch like 10-15 minutes a day in the morning, and it really helps.
The left screw issue has somewhat improved, I think from just trying to strengthen my gluteus medius and push through that pain. It's still there, but if I can avoid a surgery just to fix that screw, it would be nice. I'm going to look into that more in late spring/early summer.
Now my only issue is getting to a height I'm comfortable with. I don't run my own business empire, nor am I a college student that's subsidized by his parents. But I am 100% doing tibias, there's no question (probably 3.5-4cm, to keep the recovery time in check). Only question is how or when. But it's going to happen.
My advice to anyone who does internal femurs is to stretch as much as you can (I slacked off when I shouldn't have) and walk as much as you can as soon as you are given the green light to do so. But really...for the love of God, STRETCH.
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when will you remove the screw and how many is your original height?
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Cant wait to see it dude
Your diary are my favorite
If you could post as many as possible it would be nice for me who plan to do femur with Guichet 6cm and4 cm with catgani
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Yes, please post some videos. We'd like to see your recovery progress.
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Yes, please post videos. I can't tell you how many times I've read diaries where people say they are "considering" or "toying with" the idea of posting videos flaunting their recoveries, but then never follow through. It's frustrating -- and makes you wonder how well the patient actually recovered.
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I will eventually post videos. There are a few things that give me pause...and I'm still dealing with the left screw issue...but I will eventually.
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Of course. You're not beholden to any of us. But video of patient recoveries is something the LL community desperately needs and is sorely lacking at this point. Hope to see them soon ;D
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Video idea is great,thanks.
Best wishes for your second surgery.I think maybe waiting around 1 more year will be good for you.What do you think?
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Video idea is great,thanks.
Best wishes for your second surgery.I think maybe waiting around 1 more year will be good for you.What do you think?
I suppose. I just don't feel like I can really be free and move on with my life (in all facets) until I do the second surgery. I really want it, like, now. Pain is nothing to me, neither is money (and I'm not rich). The only issue is f#*king time. I may very well have to deal with a gap in my resume...but it is what it is.
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YellowSpike, thank you for doing your diary. I hope you manage to avoid a gap in your resume. I've seen people kinda paper over a gap by only including the years and not the months for the dates on the jobs on their resume. That's easier to pull off if one is 30+ and has 3+ jobs on the resume. I don't know if you've experienced being out of work and trying to find a quality job in one's field of choice, but in case you have not I'd mention from my experience it's very stressful, regardless of height. I think you mentioned potentially wanting to move to a new job anyway, so perhaps a new employer would be flexible on start date and you could get a good 3+ month window. I'm curious, if you didn't have to contend with limited time for tibia LL, would you want to do more than 3.5-4mm? Hope whatever path you take, things go smoothly :)
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YellowSpike, thank you for doing your diary. I hope you manage to avoid a gap in your resume. I've seen people kinda paper over a gap by only including the years and not the months for the dates on the jobs on their resume. That's easier to pull off if one is 30+ and has 3+ jobs on the resume. I don't know if you've experienced being out of work and trying to find a quality job in one's field of choice, but in case you have not I'd mention from my experience it's very stressful, regardless of height. I think you mentioned potentially wanting to move to a new job anyway, so perhaps a new employer would be flexible on start date and you could get a good 3+ month window. I'm curious, if you didn't have to contend with limited time for tibia LL, would you want to do more than 3.5-4mm? Hope whatever path you take, things go smoothly :)
Interesting point. I'm in my very early 30s, and I'm on my third major job, but fourth overall (had a short-term gig right out of college). So maybe I could pull off what you just said. My only concern is that it's a lot easier to get a new job (and a better salary)if you have a job. There's the possibility of working from home and I think my current firm offers up to 6 months temporary disability...but I don't know. I don't know what I'd tell people (it's a smaller firm, so everyone kinda knows you, although that was sorta the case at my old firm), and my role is super important and busy. So I just don't know how I'm gonna pull it off.
In response to your question, even if I had more time, I don't think I'd go past 4cm (about 1.5 inches) because I have to worry about proportions. But if I were 5'9" now at least, I'd honestly be happy.
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What is your wingspan?Are you worried about wigspan when you say ''proportions" or just everything included?(siting height,fem/tib,arms etc)
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What is your wingspan?Are you worried about wigspan when you say ''proportions" or just everything included?(siting height,fem/tib,arms etc)
My wingspan is between 172 and 173.
I'm just concerned about torso/legs proportions. Doing a bit on tibias (up to 4cm max) will actually improve my tib/femur proportions (though they look fine now after 7cm on femurs). Now, just have to watch torso/leg proportions. As long as I wear pants that sit below the waist, I look fine when I tuck in my shirt. Another 3-4cm shouldn't alter this too much, but still get me to a height I'm comfortable with. But I likely won't go above 4cm for both recovery time's sake, as well as torso/leg proportions.
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will the screw be inside you forever or you will remove it?
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Interesting point. I'm in my very early 30s, and I'm on my third major job, but fourth overall (had a short-term gig right out of college). So maybe I could pull off what you just said. My only concern is that it's a lot easier to get a new job (and a better salary)if you have a job. There's the possibility of working from home and I think my current firm offers up to 6 months temporary disability...but I don't know. I don't know what I'd tell people (it's a smaller firm, so everyone kinda knows you, although that was sorta the case at my old firm), and my role is super important and busy. So I just don't know how I'm gonna pull it off.
In response to your question, even if I had more time, I don't think I'd go past 4cm (about 1.5 inches) because I have to worry about proportions. But if I were 5'9" now at least, I'd honestly be happy.
Thx! Appreciate response. It's tough to use a temporarily disabled option when one is integral to the firm. It certainly will bring up the questions of WHY/WHAT, which few want to answer. I can do that myself and probably will have to, but you brought up a GREAT point, the possibility of working from home. I work on a computer and have some calls throughout the day but telecommuting is what I usually do. How realistic is it to try to work at home or hotel while lengthening? Clearly time off for PT mid day needed, but that's only an hr plus transportation in West Palm. I feel like I could do say 9-5 computer work with 2 hours for stretching in the middle. Cooper did something like that when doing femurs, before the troubles in Spain, working at home during lengthening. Program.dude made it sound like it was too hard to concentrate to work, learn a language, etc. And if you go back to Dr G won't you have like 6 hours of tough daily PT making work really tough while there? Guess I'd like to be able to work but thinking it's really a case by case basis of how much pain you have...?
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Haven't logged in/checked this site in a while. Just wanted to share my thoughts on a few things, as time has been passing.
I've been getting more comfortable with being 5'8". It's of course still not ideal. I still wish I was taller. But...I've been opening myself up more to see other men that I've known (and knew before the surgery)...and I've been seeing that there are several men I know who are below 5'7" who are living great lives. All the things that I want, actually. Yeah, maybe their wives aren't 10s (some are attractive, though), and I know they take sh*t for their height...but they're living their lives and are happy.
I have always been a perfectionist. Unfortunately, perfection really doesn't exist. It is unattainable. And most people that we wished we looked like just won the genetic lottery and were born that way. Yeah, we can exercise and starve ourselves and do surgeries into oblivion...but we'll never be "perfect" like some of these people. It's just not possible. I'm lucky to be solidly above average in looks as well as intelligence and success. And I'm telling myself more and more that that's enough.
I have faith I will eventually recover 100% (including athletic abilities). I've recovered well so far. I may or may not need a bone graft on my left leg. I've upped my intake of Calcium supplements and now only smoke occasionally (although I was only having 1-2 per day, didn't think that'd make such a big difference). And I've been eating very healthy, and physically look the best I ever have. I've been trying to stretch every single day, and that seems to have almost gotten rid of the right knee pain I was having. As of about a month ago (maybe more), I can comfortably touch the floor with the palms of my hands. I had been lazy with stretching for a long time, but try to do it every day now.
I don't regret the surgery one bit. I think I needed to do it. I always hated my height with a passion. And getting through the ordeal I think made me stronger and more appreciative of the little things. But I will say...I feel sort of bamboozled by certain diaries (ShyShy comes to mind). Nothing on him in particular or anyone...but certain diaries that make it seems like you can do this surgery and recover overnight (including running/sports, etc.) I feel are kind of lying. Granted...I had to work right after I ended lengthening, and all that sitting I'm sure set me back (and I did make all the effort I could to re-learn walking and such). But this sh*t takes forever, and there is sort of a "Pandora's Box" element to LL. You can be as healthy as a young spring chicken...but that does not guarantee you a complication-free ride. Femurs are supposedly usually fine, and I might need a left bone graft (not sure if I do, yet, have to wait it out a bit). I stopped smoking before the surgery and went back to having 1-2 a day last summer. I don't believe that's what did it (Dr. Rozbruch said ratcheting rods are particularly rough on healing). But on all accounts, I was a healthy and relatively young guy when I did this.
Aside from the left screw pain (which will go away once I get the screws out - might tie this in with the bone graft, if I need it), the possibility of a left leg bone graft (remains to be seen) and just general muscle tightness (which has made great strides, my walking feels pretty much effortless and free now - jogging isn't bad either), I am totally fine. I have no real pain aside from the left screw, and my right knee pain is virtually gone now. I don't regret this. My proportions are fine (especially now that my quads are nice and muscular again), and no one has ever commented on them. Obviously my proportions are less than perfect (duh), but when you're below 5'7"...the pros of being a little taller I think do outweigh the cons.
Even though I am confident I'll eventually fully recover from this, I'm not sure tibias are in the cards for me. After the rods come out/possible bone graft, I want to be done with this sh*t. There comes a point where you just have to make efforts to choose to be happy. And I am working on that. I am getting more comfortable with 5'8" as my final height. It will likely continue to be a struggle, but it has been getting easier. There's more to life than this sh*t. I have to see how I feel when the rods come out and where I'm at with my life. But no longer am I in the mindset of "I'm definitely doing this" with tibs.
And let me tell you - no matter what the "successful" diaries tell you...recovery from this (while definitely possible) takes a lot longer than you are lead to believe. And while you're recovering...it's hard to live all facets of your life completely normally. LL and minor complications (like my left screw pain issue) become like these annoying mosquitos that won't leave you alone. You can live your life...but these things can weigh on you after a while.
I still think the world of Dr. G and recommend this surgery, especially if you're below 5'7" and do it with a great doctor. But do not expect a ShyShy-like recovery. I think he (and others who have supposedly recovered "overnight") just got really, really lucky. I know he worked very hard (I did too), but he is not the norm. Expect that you will likely not be completely normal for (flexibility, running, general pain/tightness, etc.) around 2 years out, if not more.
Sorry in advance if I don't respond to any PMs or posts. Trying to avoid this site as much as possible. Happened to see a few recent posts, and just thought I'd weigh in. Just my thoughts for now. If you do this, think very, very carefully about the recovery.
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Hey Yellowspike,
good to see you're still posting! Although you want to avoid that forum for "us" it's extremely helpful to have someone stay around, at least occasionally.
And of course i have a question for you:
Did you have any longterm side effect from medication or the trauma of surgery? something like the loss of sexual function or libido for example?
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glad to hear you're doing well yellow! If you can live a happy life without having to go through another LL on your tibias then that's great. you've already accomplished so much.
completely agree on what you've said about recovery. the whole journey takes way longer than just a few months and most people underestimate how long it really takes (myself included).
If it's not too much trouble, could you elaborate on needing a bone graft? Is it because the bone on your left leg is not fully fused all around or is it fused and the consolidation/density of the new bone isn't good enough? Would really appreciate it just so I know what to look out for in my own xrays...
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Hi Yellowspike
Thank you very much for your diary. I am a similar starting height to you and am very excited about potentially being 5ft8(I've always wanted to be atleast 5ft7). Your diary has really given me a better idea of what to expect, Thank you.
Perfectionism is a serious a problems and is something I have suffered from.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Be-Imperfectionist-Self-Acceptance-Perfectionism/dp/0996435409/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465333232&sr=1-1&keywords=how+to+be+an+imperfectionist
This book helped me a lot with understanding perfectionism and the potential issues that arise due to it. One thing it mentioned is sort of "number perfectionism" where people get obsessed with being a certain height or weight and how to deal with this.
Check it out :)
2 years of not getting back to normal doesn't sound great.
I am getting it in London like you, any London related advise for me?
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I was fortunate to have been able to meet Yellowspike a couple months ago. I can tell you that his walking looked perfectly normal. His proportions were definitely in a normal range.
YS, I am glad that you are getting close to accepting your current height. But if not I'll be ready to do LL with you next year bro :)
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Hey Yellowspike,
good to see you're still posting! Although you want to avoid that forum for "us" it's extremely helpful to have someone stay around, at least occasionally.
And of course i have a question for you:
Did you have any longterm side effect from medication or the trauma of surgery? something like the loss of sexual function or libido for example?
No. My libido is the same as it was before. The only person I know who has said that (off the top of my head) is DIFM, and I think he's currently just depressed with his current state. But I think he's still not even a year in after his surgery - he still has a ton of recovering to do. It's still early days for him (at least, when we talk about REAL recovery. Not ridiculously and almost unbelievably fast recoveries like ShyShy).
glad to hear you're doing well yellow! If you can live a happy life without having to go through another LL on your tibias then that's great. you've already accomplished so much.
completely agree on what you've said about recovery. the whole journey takes way longer than just a few months and most people underestimate how long it really takes (myself included).
If it's not too much trouble, could you elaborate on needing a bone graft? Is it because the bone on your left leg is not fully fused all around or is it fused and the consolidation/density of the new bone isn't good enough? Would really appreciate it just so I know what to look out for in my own xrays...
Yeah. I definitely don't regret this, but still feel bamboozled by certain diaries. True recovery takes much longer, especially if you have responsibilities and can't focus on stretching and exercising 24/7/365.
I don't know exactly. I think my left leg didn't fuse entirely all around. But I feel like I wasn't taking enough calcium and such. My left leg has actually been feeling stronger since Dr. R told me this in early March, so maybe it's improved a bit. I used to have pain in that leg but really don't anymore. I have to get new x-rays and see. Glad I stopped at 7cm now.
Hi Yellowspike
Thank you very much for your diary. I am a similar starting height to you and am very excited about potentially being 5ft8(I've always wanted to be atleast 5ft7). Your diary has really given me a better idea of what to expect, Thank you.
Perfectionism is a serious a problems and is something I have suffered from.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Be-Imperfectionist-Self-Acceptance-Perfectionism/dp/0996435409/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465333232&sr=1-1&keywords=how+to+be+an+imperfectionist
This book helped me a lot with understanding perfectionism and the potential issues that arise due to it. One thing it mentioned is sort of "number perfectionism" where people get obsessed with being a certain height or weight and how to deal with this.
Check it out :)
2 years of not getting back to normal doesn't sound great.
I am getting it in London like you, any London related advise for me?
You have the exactly same starting height as me. I would do 7cm, if you can. Don't go over 7cm. That's just asking for trouble (I know that now).
London advice? Ugh...just be sure you have your finances in order. London is ultra, ultra expensive. You will be relying on uber a lot too, mostly likely (since you'll likely live fairly far from where daily PT takes place). That's about it.
I was fortunate to have been able to meet Yellowspike a couple months ago. I can tell you that his walking looked perfectly normal. His proportions were definitely in a normal range.
YS, I am glad that you are getting close to accepting your current height. But if not I'll be ready to do LL with you next year bro :)
Thanks bud. You've become a legit good friend of mine. I'm currently undecided about tibias. I have to see how things are in about a year's time. I feel much better now than I did last year, and feel like I'm going to keep getting better. I still might wanna do tibs someday. Another inch would get me to a really great height, and would improve my proportions (which look fine to me now - I only feel like I have long femurs when I stare at myself nked in a full length mirror, and who really does that anyway? lol no girls have commented on it, even seeing me nked). But tibias scare me, and now with my left leg possibly needing a bone graft, I have some concerns about tibia consolidation (though Dr. R said femurs are not really an indication of how tibias will go, especially because ratcheting rods are rougher on recovery than Precice).
If I do tibs, you'll be the first to know and we'll def do this together. It'll be like the crippled leading the crippled 8)
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Yellow how it going? hows the healing process? Hows life? Sent you a pm :p hope your doing well mate
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Yellow how it going? hows the healing process? Hows life? Sent you a pm :p hope your doing well mate
I am doing quite well my friend. Aside from the pain caused by the left screw (which I'm just suk up for now, since I've been dealing with it for a year and a half now), I'm fine. I might need a bone graft in my left leg, but that remains to be seen.
This surgery is worth it - but it takes time to really enjoy your results. You will be walking terribly for a while and have side effects/pain for quite a while after the surgery. But if you're patient, and can just grin and bear it - it is worth it in the end. It just takes a lot of time. Much more than you are lead to believe. Many of the older diaries out there downplay this big time.
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Hi Yellowspike
How bad would you say the pain is? does it effect what you can and can't do? Is the bone graft to do with poor consolidation?
Also I am looking for a place in London with a couple of my friends, would you say I should try and avoid houses with stairs or do you think I could use stairs?
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also how possible do you think it would be to drive? maybe not straight away, but how about like a month into consolidation?
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Hi Yellowspike
How bad would you say the pain is? does it effect what you can and can't do? Is the bone graft to do with poor consolidation?
Also I am looking for a place in London with a couple of my friends, would you say I should try and avoid houses with stairs or do you think I could use stairs?
If you're asking about the left screw pain, its not that bad...just very very annoying. It tends to flare up if I sleep on my left side a lot (although lately that hasn't really happened), if I do certain movements, certain sex positions...it's just really annoying at this point. As for the bone graft, yeah, it has to do with my less than perfect consolidation on my left leg. It's weird...I feel like the left leg has been the bane of many LL'ers' existences based on past diaries. There's a chance I might not need it. Going for more x-rays within the next two weeks to see what's up. If I do need a bone graft, I'll likely wait until around September or so to do it. I was told I'd only be in the hospital one night, and that my insurance should cover it, so hopefully it's not too big a deal.
It's just luck of the draw. Dr. G said he had a 17 year old girl do LL, and she had slow consolidation (which you wouldn't think she would, since she was so young). LL in many ways = Pandora's Box.
also how possible do you think it would be to drive? maybe not straight away, but how about like a month into consolidation?
Yeah I think if you have a strong rod like the Gnail, driving one month post-clicking should be possible. I remember doing it two months post clicking. I probably could've done it earlier, but can't remember if I actually did.
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Thanks Yellowspike
How did you find stairs during lengthening? You think I could manage them e.g. raising and lowering myself just using my arms, like dips?
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Thanks Yellowspike
How did you find stairs during lengthening? You think I could manage them e.g. raising and lowering myself just using my arms, like dips?
I'm not sure how stairs would have work with a non-weight bearing rod...but with the Gnail, I was totally fine doing stairs with crutches. Obviously you have to go slowly and be super careful, but I had no problems with stairs throughout the lengthening process.
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I'm not sure how stairs would have work with a non-weight bearing rod...but with the Gnail, I was totally fine doing stairs with crutches. Obviously you have to go slowly and be super careful, but I had no problems with stairs throughout the lengthening process.
Gnail is the best for stairs. I'm not sure about Precise and I know Fitbone and Betzbone are very bad. The nails of many patients got broken. Some of them told the truth in their diaries and some of them didn't. I like Paley more but I think Gnail is better than Precise.
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Me and my friends have the betzbone and none of us has any problems climbing stairs from the beginning. It's just that we shouldn't take more than 1 stair going down while being in consolidation (that's what Betz said). But otherwise we'll be totally fine.
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All Monegal's patients report problems with stairs and some Betz patients too but nail bending and failure occured in both cases.
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Yeah the strength and weight-bearing capabilities were a huge reason of why I chose Dr. Guichet. Granted, I'm sure if you go with a non-weight bearing rod you can find accommodations to deal with it...but when I was starting to walk again unaided, drive my car again...just knowing I had the Gnail made me a lot more confident in what I was doing.
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Hey yellow,
Reading your various comments on the forum in the time I was gone, it seems like you've had a major mental shift for the positive.
I'm happy for you man!
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Hey yellow,
Reading your various comments on the forum in the time I was gone, it seems like you've had a major mental shift for the positive.
I'm happy for you man!
Thanks man. I'm just trying to accept it. The main thing...after you actually go and do LL...you really realize firsthand that height, while "tweak-able" is NOT fixable like acne, losing weight, getting braces, or even a nosejob. This sh*t takes a lot longer to really truly recover from. If you go with a good doctor and don't lengthen a crazy amount, you can and will recover...but it takes a LOT of time. And you will have a lot of annoying little things along the way that make it such that you're always aware of what you did. Or at least, aware a good amount of the time. I still don't know how certain people were able to recover so fast (or at least, as fast as we are lead to believe). But I think diaries like mine, DIFM and PD are a lot more realistic. You can and will recover...but not like ShyShy. No effin way.
The only real frustration I have with height now is online dating. I know plenty of guys that have great/pretty gfs that are below 5'9"...but they tended to have met their women in real life. So I've been trying to stay busy, expand my social circle, and try to meet women organically (while still doing online dating). I'm willing to make a lot of concessions on the height thing...but I stand by the fact that height is a big factor for online dating. Whether you want a hook-up or a wife, when we're talking online dating (which is where most if takes place now - even if you meet a girl in real life, you're still competing with her online world)...height counts a lot. Just the way it is.
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It's not easy to accept, trust me I know. (you're 1/2" taller than I)
Still, glad you're making progress.
Thanks for the crash course on online dating. If I ever end up divorced (likely), then it's good info to know. Especially since I think we are about the same age...I know what to expect.
No easy answers with the height thing, for sure.
I'm watching dream catchers diary closely, since that is probably the same route I would go if I did LL. So far? Kinda terrifying actually.
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It's not easy to accept, trust me I know. (you're 1/2" taller than I)
Still, glad you're making progress.
Thanks for the crash course on online dating. If I ever end up divorced (likely), then it's good info to know. Especially since I think we are about the same age...I know what to expect.
No easy answers with the height thing, for sure.
I'm watching dream catchers diary closely, since that is probably the same route I would go if I did LL. So far? Kinda terrifying actually.
Yeah but aren't you rich? LOL if you have money, I'd say that is the one thing that can override height. Of course, you don't want women that want you JUST for your money...but it's a major positive (and especially the fact that you earned it on your own) that can help overcome the major negative of being short.
The only thing that makes me not want to do a second LL is how damn long it takes. And tibias from what I hear just take sooooo much longer. There's more to life than this sh*t. Whatever...I have an awesome body (that I've busted my ass for, I look better than I ever have, actually), great facial aesthetics, I make over 6 figures (nothing special for where I live, but hey), am educated with a pretty good career...if that's not enough for some of these b*tches, that's fine. Being 5'8" (evening height - still must say that ;)) shouldn't kill me with all this other stuff. I'm just kinda...done.
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Yeah but aren't you rich? LOL if you have money, I'd say that is the one thing that can override height. Of course, you don't want women that want you JUST for your money...but it's a major positive (and especially the fact that you earned it on your own) that can help overcome the major negative of being short.
The only thing that makes me not want to do a second LL is how damn long it takes. And tibias from what I hear just take sooooo much longer. There's more to life than this sh*t. Whatever...I have an awesome body (that I've busted my ass for, I look better than I ever have, actually), great facial aesthetics, I make over 6 figures (nothing special for where I live, but hey), am educated with a pretty good career...if that's not enough for some of these b*tches, that's fine. Being 5'8" (evening height - still must say that ;)) shouldn't kill me with all this other stuff. I'm just kinda...done.
5'8 is nothing to be distraught over for sure. (talking to myself more so than you lol)
Yeah, gold diggers. They are EVERYWHERE. And yeah, I earned it myself. Most my family is broke. Just bought my parents a house actually.
Women want the world though. Bleh. Whatever. Still, there are tons of good girls out there...tons.
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5'8 is nothing to be distraught over for sure. (talking to myself more so than you lol)
Yeah, gold diggers. They are EVERYWHERE. And yeah, I earned it myself. Most my family is broke. Just bought my parents a house actually.
Women want the world though. Bleh. Whatever. Still, there are tons of good girls out there...tons.
Yeah I respect guys such as yourself, DIFM and PD who made their own fortunes. Not people who were just born into it and are rich snobs. I detest those kinds of people.
There are good and attractive women out there...but finding them really is like finding a tiny needle in a giant haystack. Maybe even harder.
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Getting more and more comfortable with my height. I really don't think I'm going to do tibias after all. I trust Dr. Guichet with my life...and he has warned me against tibias several times, even if I were to only do 3-4cm. He says that femurs are typically an indicator of how tibias will go...and my femur consolidation was slow-ish. I think that my slow-ish (especially in my left leg) consolidation had to do with me being a light smoker and also that I restricted my calories so as not to become morbidly obese during LL. I did gain weight...I have pictures of myself from last year...horrible duck ass and a huge belly. Due to my post LL confidence...feeling like being a strong 5'8" is decent enough for a guy...I've invested a lot more in myself in terms of my wardrobe and time at the gym. And I'm in the absolute best shape of my life right now. I've never looked better, ever. To the point where people are coming up to me at the gym and asking me workout/diet advice. And I got my ass back about 90%-95% of the way. Feelsgoodman.
I've seen some pictures of myself recently...and I'm quite taller than I realized. I now tower over my 5'5" dad, and taller than my (formerly?) 5'8" uncle, and about as tall as my other two uncles who are between 5'8" and 5'9" (based on pictures of us all standing together). It's taken some time...but my confidence with women has skyrocketed. I may not be tall, and may even still be considered short...but I'm at least taller than most women. And that's priceless and worth everything I put on the line for this sh*t. Going from the average height of a woman to taller than most women (even if high heels still pose an issue here) really does make a huge difference. The other night, a 5'8" girl I hadn't seen in a while looked at me and said "did you get taller Yellowspike?" I said "yeah, I tacked on a few inches after college," since I hadn't seen her in like a decade. She then wouldn't stop bugging me to dance with her all night. Too bad I'm not attracted to her...lol
I think I underestimated the recovery aspect of LL. This sh*t changes your life, and takes a lot longer to fully recover from than you can imagine. Yeah, if you go with Guichet and have a weight bearing rod, you'll be walking soon enough. But it took me over a year and a half to be able to run well (my running is just fine now), and I still have to stretch every day to maintain my flexibility, but I think as the years go on, the soft tissue will recover more such that I won't need to do this as much.
I'm thinking of doing what ShyShy did and leave the rods in. My understanding is that when you take the rods out, you can't do weight training on your legs for like 3-4 months. I'm not sure I wanna deal with the hassle of that. So I think I might just have the screws taken out in the hip area (both sides, even though only the left side still bothers me), then have plastic surgery to remove the scars near my ass, and then call it a day. Still have to think about it.
Definitely do not regret doing LL, and definitely happy I did with with Dr. G. You really get what you pay for with him. I sometimes still can't believe I did this. I sometimes still can't believe I literally went through hell, in a foreign country, crippled and on my own. I feel bad for the others with complications. I'm lucky to have (so far) escaped relatively unscathed from those (knock on wood).
I think I'm now done with voluntarily breaking bones.
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And that's why i said few days ago money is worth it if you will be satisfied with results.
Glad you are doing well considering your mood about LL earlier.
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Feelsgoodman.
Definitely do not regret doing LL, and definitely happy I did with with Dr. G. You really get what you pay for with him. I sometimes still can't believe I did this. I sometimes still can't believe I literally went through hell, in a foreign country, crippled and on my own.
Excellent summary Yellowspike! Inspirational to me, esp since I've to do a second surgery Sep 1st :'( :'( :'(
Can't wait to cross the finishing line with a shiny trophy like you! You truly deserve an 'INSANITY' t-shirt ;D
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Getting more and more comfortable with my height. I really don't think I'm going to do tibias after all. I trust Dr. Guichet with my life...and he has warned me against tibias several times, even if I were to only do 3-4cm. He says that femurs are typically an indicator of how tibias will go...and my femur consolidation was slow-ish. I think that my slow-ish (especially in my left leg) consolidation had to do with me being a light smoker and also that I restricted my calories so as not to become morbidly obese during LL. I did gain weight...I have pictures of myself from last year...horrible duck ass and a huge belly. Due to my post LL confidence...feeling like being a strong 5'8" is decent enough for a guy...I've invested a lot more in myself in terms of my wardrobe and time at the gym. And I'm in the absolute best shape of my life right now. I've never looked better, ever. To the point where people are coming up to me at the gym and asking me workout/diet advice. And I got my ass back about 90%-95% of the way. Feelsgoodman.
I've seen some pictures of myself recently...and I'm quite taller than I realized. I now tower over my 5'5" dad, and taller than my (formerly?) 5'8" uncle, and about as tall as my other two uncles who are between 5'8" and 5'9" (based on pictures of us all standing together). It's taken some time...but my confidence with women has skyrocketed. I may not be tall, and may even still be considered short...but I'm at least taller than most women. And that's priceless and worth everything I put on the line for this sh*t. Going from the average height of a woman to taller than most women (even if high heels still pose an issue here) really does make a huge difference. The other night, a 5'8" girl I hadn't seen in a while looked at me and said "did you get taller Yellowspike?" I said "yeah, I tacked on a few inches after college," since I hadn't seen her in like a decade. She then wouldn't stop bugging me to dance with her all night. Too bad I'm not attracted to her...lol
I think I underestimated the recovery aspect of LL. This sh*t changes your life, and takes a lot longer to fully recover from than you can imagine. Yeah, if you go with Guichet and have a weight bearing rod, you'll be walking soon enough. But it took me over a year and a half to be able to run well (my running is just fine now), and I still have to stretch every day to maintain my flexibility, but I think as the years go on, the soft tissue will recover more such that I won't need to do this as much.
I'm thinking of doing what ShyShy did and leave the rods in. My understanding is that when you take the rods out, you can't do weight training on your legs for like 3-4 months. I'm not sure I wanna deal with the hassle of that. So I think I might just have the screws taken out in the hip area (both sides, even though only the left side still bothers me), then have plastic surgery to remove the scars near my ass, and then call it a day. Still have to think about it.
Definitely do not regret doing LL, and definitely happy I did with with Dr. G. You really get what you pay for with him. I sometimes still can't believe I did this. I sometimes still can't believe I literally went through hell, in a foreign country, crippled and on my own. I feel bad for the others with complications. I'm lucky to have (so far) escaped relatively unscathed from those (knock on wood).
I think I'm now done with voluntarily breaking bones.
Yellow, that was the most satisfying post I've read in a long time on here. 5"8 is a solid height. It may not be 5"9/10 but it closes the gap hugely between you and the taller fella's.. And you're right. It is hard to find girls taller than 5"8... And even if you do meet a 5"9/10 woman, there won't be much difference in height between the two of you. Not enough to be overly noticeable anyway. My gf is 174, I'm 169 and it isn't hugely noticable to me.... So in terms of women, you can pretty much pick anyone you want without height being a limiting factor. In a group of guys, you'll blend in better, even if you are the shortest of the group (unless they're all 6"2 haha, but don't worry about that s**t)... The next step for you (unless there are more updates to give on your recovery) is to get off this forum and continue to develop your positive mindset, because that's what is truely attractive.
Good work man. You are an inspiration.
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Dear IML, I am also in Singapore and have strongly intent to do LL, can I contact u personally?
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Excellent summary Yellowspike! Inspirational to me, esp since I've to do a second surgery Sep 1st :'( :'( :'(
Can't wait to cross the finishing line with a shiny trophy like you! You truly deserve an 'INSANITY' t-shirt ;D
lol thanks Unicorn :) I saw your diary and read about your complication. I'm really sorry to hear that. If it makes you feel any better, even though I've technically been complication free, I had slow consolidation and have had my fair share of issues. My right leg acts up from time to time due to a congenital contracture I had before the surgery, and I've had the left screw pain on my hip. No one really escapes from this unscathed.
All I can say is that you're in the best hands possible with Dr. G. He will follow through and make sure you end up ok and get your height goal. He really is the real deal. You will be ok.
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how many cm's did you do with guichet?. is 8 cm doable. or even 10?
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Hey Yellowspike.
I'm really happy to hear about your achievements! Congratulation! Hope I'm getting to your point soon. I send you a personal message. Would be happy to receive a reply :)
JB
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Yellow, that was the most satisfying post I've read in a long time on here. 5"8 is a solid height. It may not be 5"9/10 but it closes the gap hugely between you and the taller fella's.. And you're right. It is hard to find girls taller than 5"8... And even if you do meet a 5"9/10 woman, there won't be much difference in height between the two of you. Not enough to be overly noticeable anyway. My gf is 174, I'm 169 and it isn't hugely noticable to me.... So in terms of women, you can pretty much pick anyone you want without height being a limiting factor. In a group of guys, you'll blend in better, even if you are the shortest of the group (unless they're all 6"2 haha, but don't worry about that s**t)... The next step for you (unless there are more updates to give on your recovery) is to get off this forum and continue to develop your positive mindset, because that's what is truely attractive.
Good work man. You are an inspiration.
QFT. ^ ^ ^ ^
It's been my experience with women that if you aren't afraid to talk to them, and you are their height or taller, you are good. Also, lots of women in the 5'7-5'10 range seem to like guys in the 5'7-5'9 range, I don't know why that is, but in my experience it's true.
Yellow, really happy for you man! Time to move on and live a good life bro.
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Getting more and more comfortable with my height. I really don't think I'm going to do tibias after all. I trust Dr. Guichet with my life...and he has warned me against tibias several times, even if I were to only do 3-4cm. He says that femurs are typically an indicator of how tibias will go...and my femur consolidation was slow-ish. I think that my slow-ish (especially in my left leg) consolidation had to do with me being a light smoker and also that I restricted my calories so as not to become morbidly obese during LL. I did gain weight...I have pictures of myself from last year...horrible duck ass and a huge belly. Due to my post LL confidence...feeling like being a strong 5'8" is decent enough for a guy...I've invested a lot more in myself in terms of my wardrobe and time at the gym. And I'm in the absolute best shape of my life right now. I've never looked better, ever. To the point where people are coming up to me at the gym and asking me workout/diet advice. And I got my ass back about 90%-95% of the way. Feelsgoodman.
I've seen some pictures of myself recently...and I'm quite taller than I realized. I now tower over my 5'5" dad, and taller than my (formerly?) 5'8" uncle, and about as tall as my other two uncles who are between 5'8" and 5'9" (based on pictures of us all standing together). It's taken some time...but my confidence with women has skyrocketed. I may not be tall, and may even still be considered short...but I'm at least taller than most women. And that's priceless and worth everything I put on the line for this sh*t. Going from the average height of a woman to taller than most women (even if high heels still pose an issue here) really does make a huge difference. The other night, a 5'8" girl I hadn't seen in a while looked at me and said "did you get taller Yellowspike?" I said "yeah, I tacked on a few inches after college," since I hadn't seen her in like a decade. She then wouldn't stop bugging me to dance with her all night. Too bad I'm not attracted to her...lol
I think I underestimated the recovery aspect of LL. This sh*t changes your life, and takes a lot longer to fully recover from than you can imagine. Yeah, if you go with Guichet and have a weight bearing rod, you'll be walking soon enough. But it took me over a year and a half to be able to run well (my running is just fine now), and I still have to stretch every day to maintain my flexibility, but I think as the years go on, the soft tissue will recover more such that I won't need to do this as much.
I'm thinking of doing what ShyShy did and leave the rods in. My understanding is that when you take the rods out, you can't do weight training on your legs for like 3-4 months. I'm not sure I wanna deal with the hassle of that. So I think I might just have the screws taken out in the hip area (both sides, even though only the left side still bothers me), then have plastic surgery to remove the scars near my ass, and then call it a day. Still have to think about it.
Definitely do not regret doing LL, and definitely happy I did with with Dr. G. You really get what you pay for with him. I sometimes still can't believe I did this. I sometimes still can't believe I literally went through hell, in a foreign country, crippled and on my own. I feel bad for the others with complications. I'm lucky to have (so far) escaped relatively unscathed from those (knock on wood).
I think I'm now done with voluntarily breaking bones.
Congrats yellowspike!
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It took you some time, but im happy to see that you are starting (or already started) to accept your new self. Good luck and take care :)
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I can already answer this because Dr G already told me. He said in some (not all) patients, after lengthening, you lose 20mm in height that you gained due to compression. That's the number he told me. That's partially why I clicked to 6.65cm on his file (though I still think I gained a bit more). I don't really care because 20mm is very negligible my goal was 2.5 inches (6.35cm).
20mm loss = 2cm loss
I think you mean 2mm and not 20mm??
don't scare us
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yeah dont scare us.... :'(
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Pretty sure he means 2mm. Why would he call 2cm negligible?
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lol...I'm pretty sure I clarified that a long time ago, but yes, it was 2mm.
All I know is...I clicked to 6.9cm according to Dr. G's click file...but the Gnail seems to lengthen more than what you click (because it's not 15 clicks = 1cm, it's maybe like 14 clicks). Dr. Rozbruch said he approximated that my femurs were lengthening by 7.2/7.3cm. The x-ray bone gap was like 8.4cm, but subtract 1cm for approximation issues with x-rays.
My evening height seems to have increased from 166cm to 173cm. My evening height is usually right around 173cm, or a little over that. So...we'll call it 7cm!
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In a few weeks, I am going to have the screw near my left hip either adjusted or removed to stop that pain, and also might be getting an ITB release on my right leg/knee area.
I'm big into bodybuilding, and have bulked my legs up again nicely, and got my ass back for the most part (I'd say 95% - might even be 100%, but now it just looks smaller overall I guess because it's more muscular as opposed to muscle/fat previously lol). However, I sometimes get ultra painful episodes where my right leg (the lower quad/knee area) becomes as hard as a rock. Applying heat and taking aspirin helps almost immediately, but I want to lift even heavier weights and not have this problem anymore. So...likely will be getting an ITB release to stop this random episodes.
Asides from these two relatively minor issues, I am fine. Still struggle with my height, but I'm doing better than I was a year ago. So, at least I've made progress. Who knows, maybe someday I will do tibs (if they come out with a better way and ways for faster bone consolidation). I'm not ruling anything out, but strongly leaning towards not doing them right now.
Had a date with a hot foreign chick last week. Slim, blonde hair/blue eyes, great body. I think she was like 5'3" or 5'4". When she kissed me goodbye, she had to stand on her tippy toes to do it. It's little moments like that that make it all worth it.
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Hey Yellow i really enjoyed your diary and happy for you, i have some questions i hope you answer it.
1- i think you lengthened 6.5-7 cm, when did you started to walk normally? (how many days or months)
2- did you regret the surgery?
3- were you a smoker when you the surgery?
and thanks, The Kaiser
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However, I sometimes get ultra painful episodes where my right leg (the lower quad/knee area) becomes as hard as a rock. Applying heat and taking aspirin helps almost immediately, but I want to lift even heavier weights and not have this problem anymore. So...likely will be getting an ITB release to stop this random episodes.
That does not sound like something caused by a tight ITB, but I'm certainly no expert. It sounds similar in some ways to cramping of your quad. Did your doctor tell you he thought it was ITB? Regardless, I hope you succeed in fixing it.
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Hi do you know what you must bring with you on your consultation with Guichet? Is it blood test, X-ray (i've heard this is hard to get approval of).
And possibly Allergic tests.
Anyway if anyone know the essentials. Please write them down so i now what to get before setting the meeting up with him.
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I hesitate to post on here anymore…but I wanted to see if anyone could help me, and also show that LL definitely isn’t something to be taken lightly.
I am actually pretty satisfied with being 5’8”. I did pretty well with attractive women before LL, and now, they’re no problem at all. And socially, it’s much better. I may not be tall, and even a bit below average…but the chances of me ever getting a second LL are slim to none. So I am satisfied with my height. And before I go any further, I have zero regrets on the surgery, even despite the issues I’ve been having (which I will now get to).
On my right leg, Dr. G said I had a contracture before I got the surgery. So I knew it’d be somewhat of a risk, but my previous height was just entirely unacceptable to me. Since the two years since I had the surgery, my recovery is fine (I can run/jog/do weight lifting, etc.) save for this one recurring issue on my right leg. Every so often (and I’m sure bodybuilding – deadlifts, squats, etc. has exacerbated it, and that is on me), my right leg will tense up so much that it’s painful to the point where I temporarily cannot put weight on it. When I get these episodes, I feels like an intense throbbing pain, and I can even see my muscles contracting/twitching when this happens. And oddly, even just taking long airplane trip seems to make it act up as well. Hot baths, ice packs, OTC pain meds, and elevation seem to help, but sometimes it takes time to get relief from any of these.
I need to get new x-rays taken, but the last ones showed that the rod itself was fine, although the tip of the rod (towards where my femur ends near my knee) is pointed a bit to the outer part of my bone. It’s not bent at all, there’s no fracture, and it is entirely within my bone, and not touching the actual end of the bone…just tiled out a bit (if that makes sense). Dr. Rozbruch said he thinks it might be the rod, but I don’t think it is, because then I feel like I’d be in pain from walking all the time (which isn’t the case). I’m actually hoping to leave the rods in just because I want to save time, money and scarring. I’m thinking the issue is related to the muscle contracture the lengthening my femurs 7cm probably exacerbated (along with my own stubbornness/vainness with bodybuilding). I do my best to stretch my quads, hip flexors and hamstrings, but seeing as I have a sitting job and do bodybuilding (ironically, I look the best I ever have, ever in my life, right now), that only does so much.
I guess I’m just wondering if anyone on here has any thoughts on this? I’m trying to see a neurologist soon (to see if there was nerve damage), and I’m going to get more x-rays and try to go on muscle relaxants and see if that helps. Honestly, if it weren’t for this issue, I’d be entirely satisfied with the result and my final height.
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I hesitate to post on here anymore…but I wanted to see if anyone could help me, and also show that LL definitely isn’t something to be taken lightly.
I am actually pretty satisfied with being 5’8”. I did pretty well with attractive women before LL, and now, they’re no problem at all. And socially, it’s much better. I may not be tall, and even a bit below average…but the chances of me ever getting a second LL are slim to none. So I am satisfied with my height. And before I go any further, I have zero regrets on the surgery, even despite the issues I’ve been having (which I will now get to).
On my right leg, Dr. G said I had a contracture before I got the surgery. So I knew it’d be somewhat of a risk, but my previous height was just entirely unacceptable to me. Since the two years since I had the surgery, my recovery is fine (I can run/jog/do weight lifting, etc.) save for this one recurring issue on my right leg. Every so often (and I’m sure bodybuilding – deadlifts, squats, etc. has exacerbated it, and that is on me), my right leg will tense up so much that it’s painful to the point where I temporarily cannot put weight on it. When I get these episodes, I feels like an intense throbbing pain, and I can even see my muscles contracting/twitching when this happens. And oddly, even just taking long airplane trip seems to make it act up as well. Hot baths, ice packs, OTC pain meds, and elevation seem to help, but sometimes it takes time to get relief from any of these.
I need to get new x-rays taken, but the last ones showed that the rod itself was fine, although the tip of the rod (towards where my femur ends near my knee) is pointed a bit to the outer part of my bone. It’s not bent at all, there’s no fracture, and it is entirely within my bone, and not touching the actual end of the bone…just tiled out a bit (if that makes sense). Dr. Rozbruch said he thinks it might be the rod, but I don’t think it is, because then I feel like I’d be in pain from walking all the time (which isn’t the case). I’m actually hoping to leave the rods in just because I want to save time, money and scarring. I’m thinking the issue is related to the muscle contracture the lengthening my femurs 7cm probably exacerbated (along with my own stubbornness/vainness with bodybuilding). I do my best to stretch my quads, hip flexors and hamstrings, but seeing as I have a sitting job and do bodybuilding (ironically, I look the best I ever have, ever in my life, right now), that only does so much.
I guess I’m just wondering if anyone on here has any thoughts on this? I’m trying to see a neurologist soon (to see if there was nerve damage), and I’m going to get more x-rays and try to go on muscle relaxants and see if that helps. Honestly, if it weren’t for this issue, I’d be entirely satisfied with the result and my final height.
It could be anything... From nerve damage, muscle damage, the rod/nails touching a certain spot on that said to just luck of flexibility (which I honestly doubt if it's going on for 2 years without getting better)..
Your neurologist will be able to know better once some tests will be done... I would suggest you to do EMG, MRI, on that leg/hip to be certain there is or isnt any nerve damage
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It could be anything... From nerve damage, muscle damage, the rod/nails touching a certain spot on that said to just luck of flexibility (which I honestly doubt if it's going on for 2 years without getting better)..
Your neurologist will be able to know better once some tests will be done... I would suggest you to do EMG, MRI, on that leg/hip to be certain there is or isnt any nerve damage
Yup, those are my next steps. I would generally agree that it's not flexibility related, but it's weird how it acts up at certain times (long airplane rides, just from walking a lot, etc.). Sometimes I can walk a lot and it doesn't act up at all. I went to a PT not too long ago, and they said they thought it was due to a combination of weak hip muscles, tight hip flexors and weak inner thigh muscles. I need to address that more, I will admit.
I just can't see it being the rod, although it might be. If maybe Dr. R could just adjust it, but leave it in, that would be great.
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Yup, those are my next steps. I would generally agree that it's not flexibility related, but it's weird how it acts up at certain times (long airplane rides, just from walking a lot, etc.). Sometimes I can walk a lot and it doesn't act up at all. I went to a PT not too long ago, and they said they thought it was due to a combination of weak hip muscles, tight hip flexors and weak inner thigh muscles. I need to address that more, I will admit.
I just can't see it being the rod, although it might be. If maybe Dr. R could just adjust it, but leave it in, that would be great.
Muscle spasm as much to my knowledge, arent caused by weak muscles.. Although now that I think of it, it could be because of over stretch (due to lengthening in your case obviously) which causes the calcium channels in your muscles to open up spotaneiusly
edit: It's all my opinion and nothing more... Listen to your doc.. But you should say something about those calcium channels to your neurologist once you meet him.. He might dismiss it but it wouldn't hurt to ask
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Muscle spasm as much to my knowledge, arent caused by weak muscles.. Although now that I think of it, it could be because of over stretch (due to lengthening in your case obviously) which causes the calcium channels in your muscles to open up spotaneiusly
edit: It's all my opinion and nothing more... Listen to your doc.. But you should say something about those calcium channels to your neurologist once you meet him.. He might dismiss it but it wouldn't hurt to ask
It's just frustrating because Dr. G said via email he doesn't believe it's the rod, Dr. R isn't entirely sure, and even getting a neurologist to see me is like jumping through hoops.
I also notice that sometimes, when I get these episodes, when standing up straight, my right leg wants to bend a bit (whereas my left leg straightens easily). I honestly think it's related to the overstretching of muscles that were already naturally shorter on my right leg.
Whatever. I will get to the bottom of this. Honest to God...the height increase was worth it. Being my old height (5'5" and some change) was horrible.
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Sorry to hear this Yellow.
On my right leg, Dr. G said I had a contracture before I got the surgery.
How was this tested? Did he advise against the surgery itself? I wonder if other doctors even check for this before operating.
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Sorry to hear this Yellow.
How was this tested? Did he advise against the surgery itself? I wonder if other doctors even check for this before operating.
It's fine. I will be ok. Just need to get to the bottom of it so I know what needs to be done in order to address it. As I said...I still don't regret the surgery!
Dr. G did not advise against surgery, but said that we'd have to be "very careful" with how my I lengthen. So in retrospect, I think I was wise to stop at 7cm. Although oddly, I had more pain in my left leg towards the end of clicking than my right leg. This issue with the right leg didn't start until about a year ago. And I remember the first bad "episode" I had took place after doing deep leg press reps. So I stopped those, and mostly stopped squatting. Now, I just do deadlifts, along with leg curls and extension for legs. Anything quad intensive seems to make it act up.
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I understand there are many other reasons why you may be experiencing this pain.
Personally, I don't feel comfortable going 100%- jumping- sprinting- until my rods are taken out but I know for a fact that it's the rods and screws that are the source of my discomfort and you mentioned that it's not what YOU FEEL is the issue.
The recovery process is long, but as you know, the benefits of being taller are too great to outweigh this discomfort. I think it's important to be honest about these pains and to document them so people will know what goes on during recovery, and ultimately, how we resolved these issues.
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I understand there are many other reasons why you may be experiencing this pain.
Personally, I don't feel comfortable going 100%- jumping- sprinting- until my rods are taken out but I know for a fact that it's the rods and screws that are the source of my discomfort and you mentioned that it's not what YOU FEEL is the issue.
The recovery process is long, but as you know, the benefits of being taller are too great to outweigh this discomfort. I think it's important to be honest about these pains and to document them so people will know what goes on during recovery, and ultimately, how we resolved these issues.
Yeah I don't know what the issue is. It may or may not be the rod. I just wanted to leave them in, personally. Or at least, not remove them for another year or two. I just don't want to do it right now, although it'll never be a "good time" remove them.
I know I won't ever be entirely "normal" again so long as I keep the rods in, but seeing as I can do most things with them in (even with this recurring right leg pain), I'm mostly ok with that. At least, for now. Honestly, the only thing bothering me right now is the right leg recurring pain.
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hey yellow, I'm glad to hear you're doing well, other than the pain issue. I know you prob want to stay off the forums as much as possible, but reading your diary was really helpful for me as I'm sure they are for others, so I do appreciate the updates even if they're just once and a while.
Every so often (and I’m sure bodybuilding – deadlifts, squats, etc. has exacerbated it, and that is on me), my right leg will tense up so much that it’s painful to the point where I temporarily cannot put weight on it. When I get these episodes, I feels like an intense throbbing pain, and I can even see my muscles contracting/twitching when this happens. And oddly, even just taking long airplane trip seems to make it act up as well. Hot baths, ice packs, OTC pain meds, and elevation seem to help, but sometimes it takes time to get relief from any of these.
Sounds just like the muscle strains I used to get early on during my recovery. I had 2 bad quad strains I can remember. once from lowering the seat on the stationary bike and doing high resistance to try to build back up my quads, and my weak and overstretched quads just weren't ready for that at all. the other time was also just from sitting in an airplane seat for for a couple hours. I think something about the plane seat made an awkward stretch on my inner quad for too long. both times I had intense throbbing pain in my quads and couldn't walk without pain in my knee too until after a couple hours. the best way to recover from the strain was just rest. honestly, I'm surprised muscle strains don't get mentioned in diaries more often during recovery.
muscle strains can be caused by bad flexibility or muscle strength imbalance (like if your hamstrings are way stronger than your quads). I agree with what your PT said and my guess is that it's a combination of both for you. you said you still have tight hips/quads and are doing body building (with heavy weights?) which is probably making your flexibility and muscle imbalances worse. I feel like it really takes years for the muscles to recover and adapt from LL and you might still be pushing too much and too soon. I think you need to be careful because continuing to push too hard could lead to something even worse like a muscle tear. I've just kind of accepted it's gonna take awhile for my leg muscles to recover fully so I've stopped pushing myself so hard at the gym and focus more on stretching and doing only embarrassing amounts of weight on the machines. since then I haven't had any additional strains or leg pain at all really. the downside though is that my legs are still a little weak, but I'll get them strong again eventually
If I were you I'd take a break from body building for awhile, workout those weak areas very gradually, and stretch stretch stretch any remaining tight muscles (quads, hip flexors, IT bands for me). that's my non-professional opinion at least
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hey yellow, I'm glad to hear you're doing well, other than the pain issue. I know you prob want to stay off the forums as much as possible, but reading your diary was really helpful for me as I'm sure they are for others, so I do appreciate the updates even if they're just once and a while.
Sounds just like the muscle strains I used to get early on during my recovery. I had 2 bad quad strains I can remember. once from lowering the seat on the stationary bike and doing high resistance to try to build back up my quads, and my weak and overstretched quads just weren't ready for that at all. the other time was also just from sitting in an airplane seat for for a couple hours. I think something about the plane seat made an awkward stretch on my inner quad for too long. both times I had intense throbbing pain in my quads and couldn't walk without pain in my knee too until after a couple hours. the best way to recover from the strain was just rest. honestly, I'm surprised muscle strains don't get mentioned in diaries more often during recovery.
muscle strains can be caused by bad flexibility or muscle strength imbalance (like if your hamstrings are way stronger than your quads). I agree with what your PT said and my guess is that it's a combination of both for you. you said you still have tight hips/quads and are doing body building (with heavy weights?) which is probably making your flexibility and muscle imbalances worse. I feel like it really takes years for the muscles to recover and adapt from LL and you might still be pushing too much and too soon. I think you need to be careful because continuing to push too hard could lead to something even worse like a muscle tear. I've just kind of accepted it's gonna take awhile for my leg muscles to recover fully so I've stopped pushing myself so hard at the gym and focus more on stretching and doing only embarrassing amounts of weight on the machines. since then I haven't had any additional strains or leg pain at all really. the downside though is that my legs are still a little weak, but I'll get them strong again eventually
If I were you I'd take a break from body building for awhile, workout those weak areas very gradually, and stretch stretch stretch any remaining tight muscles (quads, hip flexors, IT bands for me). that's my non-professional opinion at least
Thanks goldenegg! Actually, your post gives me some hope. Maybe I should post on here more lol
What you describe sounds EXACTLY like what I've been having. I think I've been having the issue more often than you because of my bodybuilding. I HAVE stopped doing leg press (that made it act up REALLY bad!), and for the most part, stopped doing squats too (even though I like doing squats...). The only major thing I do for legs is deadlifts, but at least while that DOES work your quads, in my experience, it's more for glutes and hamstrings (along with lower back and core). Doing deadlifts doesn't seem to make it act up, but I'm sure it doesn't help. I'm not lifting super heavy, but probably still a bit more than I should.
I feel like I have weak hip muscles (glute medius I believe) and weak inner thigh muscles. I need to work on those, as well as keep stretching. My flexibility is actually pretty good, all things considered. My hip flexors probably need the most work.
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hey yellow, I'm glad to hear you're doing well, other than the pain issue. I know you prob want to stay off the forums as much as possible, but reading your diary was really helpful for me as I'm sure they are for others, so I do appreciate the updates even if they're just once and a while.
Sounds just like the muscle strains I used to get early on during my recovery. I had 2 bad quad strains I can remember. once from lowering the seat on the stationary bike and doing high resistance to try to build back up my quads, and my weak and overstretched quads just weren't ready for that at all. the other time was also just from sitting in an airplane seat for for a couple hours. I think something about the plane seat made an awkward stretch on my inner quad for too long. both times I had intense throbbing pain in my quads and couldn't walk without pain in my knee too until after a couple hours. the best way to recover from the strain was just rest. honestly, I'm surprised muscle strains don't get mentioned in diaries more often during recovery.
muscle strains can be caused by bad flexibility or muscle strength imbalance (like if your hamstrings are way stronger than your quads). I agree with what your PT said and my guess is that it's a combination of both for you. you said you still have tight hips/quads and are doing body building (with heavy weights?) which is probably making your flexibility and muscle imbalances worse. I feel like it really takes years for the muscles to recover and adapt from LL and you might still be pushing too much and too soon. I think you need to be careful because continuing to push too hard could lead to something even worse like a muscle tear. I've just kind of accepted it's gonna take awhile for my leg muscles to recover fully so I've stopped pushing myself so hard at the gym and focus more on stretching and doing only embarrassing amounts of weight on the machines. since then I haven't had any additional strains or leg pain at all really. the downside though is that my legs are still a little weak, but I'll get them strong again eventually
If I were you I'd take a break from body building for awhile, workout those weak areas very gradually, and stretch stretch stretch any remaining tight muscles (quads, hip flexors, IT bands for me). that's my non-professional opinion at least
I too notice that working heavily on my legs has inversely affected my recovery, mainly my flexibility. I think it's right to take care of flexibility before building muscle, or at least let the muscle recover slowly through natural means- walking, daily use, etc. When my arms feel better, the first thing i'll be doing is starting yoga.
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my case is the same.
I stopped to do dumbbell in my legs because after these i have my calves very stiff and the achiles tendon area.
i'm doing stationary bike and i start to do swiming with fins again.
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i think the same that i am already
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i think the same that i am already
Hey Yellow, i thought you're done with the forum because you said this surgery was your best choice. What i want to know is, do you face some pain that makes you concerned? what about taking off the nails, it may change things. Trust me, if you have some concerned asked Guichet and only him, because he's the one inserted the nail and should know your problems. Waiting your updates and response.
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Essentially, I just want to be done with this sh*t. I'm quite happy with my new height. Women, social settings and the workplace are much better for me now. I got women when I was 166, but now it's almost like shooting fish in a barrel. And since I've bulked up and am in the best shape of my life, I often get approached by women in social settings (men too lol). I'm not tall, but with my facial aesthetics, career and body, 173 really isn't much to worry about.
I'm not sure about taking the rods out. I know ShyShy said he was going to leave them in...and since he was the one who inspired me to get LL (and I know a few others like Sweden and TrailBlazer left their rods in), that might be good enough for me! I'm guessing the better long-term decision is to take them out, but I don't want to deal with more scarring and 3-4 months of not being able to do much. My patience for this sh*t has grown very thin. I just want to enjoy my life at my new height. Maybe in a year or two I'll take the rods out. If I can just figure out the right leg pain (which I think you guys are right, I'm probably over-doing it at the gym, and this is totally my fault), I will be pretty happy.
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Essentially, I just want to be done with this sh*t. I'm quite happy with my new height. Women, social settings and the workplace are much better for me now. I got women when I was 166, but now it's almost like shooting fish in a barrel. And since I've bulked up and am in the best shape of my life, I often get approached by women in social settings (men too lol). I'm not tall, but with my facial aesthetics, career and body, 173 really isn't much to worry about.
I'm not sure about taking the rods out. I know ShyShy said he was going to leave them in...and since he was the one who inspired me to get LL (and I know a few others like Sweden and TrailBlazer left their rods in), that might be good enough for me! I'm guessing the better long-term decision is to take them out, but I don't want to deal with more scarring and 3-4 months of not being able to do much. My patience for this sh*t has grown very thin. I just want to enjoy my life at my new height. Maybe in a year or two I'll take the rods out. If I can just figure out the right leg pain (which I think you guys are right, I'm probably over-doing it at the gym, and this is totally my fault), I will be pretty happy.
Who said if you take the nail out you will need more 4 months?!
what i know its outpatient surgery, and very simple
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Who said if you take the nail out you will need more 4 months?!
what i know its outpatient surgery, and very simple
lol I meant it would be 3-4 months of no leg bodybuilding or being able to run. Two reputable doctors gave me this estimate. That's a long time to be pretty inactive. Maybe I'll suck it up within the next few years. I'd like to be rod-free someday, but might just keep them in to save money, time and scarring.
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lol I meant it would be 3-4 months of no leg bodybuilding or being able to run. Two reputable doctors gave me this estimate. That's a long time to be pretty inactive. Maybe I'll suck it up within the next few years. I'd like to be rod-free someday, but might just keep them in to save money, time and scarring.
is scarring that bad? for internal!!, there are some creams or leaser if you're interest. Anyway you're 5'8 a great height and enjoy your life ;)
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Spike,
Do you think you would still be feeling these effects if you had stopped at a more conservative number with your lengthening, say 5cm? You've intimated a few times that perhaps you "pushed it" a bit by going for 7 cm.
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Spike,
Do you think you would still be feeling these effects if you had stopped at a more conservative number with your lengthening, say 5cm? You've intimated a few times that perhaps you "pushed it" a bit by going for 7 cm.
I'm sure. However, just 5cm wasn't enough for me. I wanted to hit around 173 or 5'8", and I did. That was my goal. Those last 2cm were very important to me, and I don't regret pushing myself to 7cm but am glad I knew enough to stop then and not try for 7.5cm or 8cm (as much as I wanted to at the time).
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hello yellowspike?
was your bone consolidation fast or average?? how much time between the day you finish clicking and walking without crutches??
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so the hardest part was past 6.5cm gain?? (you did 6.5cm in 8 weeks right?)
were you very flexible before the operation? able to touch the ground with the palm of your hands when standing leg straight??
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I did about 7cm. It got very hard around 6cm for me. My bone consolidation was fine for my right leg, but for some reason, much slower for my right leg (I'm actually still consolidating now, if you can believe that, on my left leg). My left leg still continues to make improvements.
I was able to reach down and touch the floor with the palms of my hands before getting LL, and for the past year, I've been able to do it post LL as well. My flexibility was above average before LL, but I worked at it.
The only real complaints I have from the surgery are the recurring pain I get in my right leg and (due to having longer femurs) it being harder to do certain exercises (such as squats) properly. I can still squat, but can barely hit parallel, and that's with a much wider stance. It's annoying, but whatever...I wanted to be taller, and I got it.
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Hey YellowSpike. It's good to hear that you enjoy the benefits of your surgery and think it was the right decision. Just goes to show once more that this surgery, under the right circumstances, can make sense and improve one's life. All the best to you.
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Hello Yellowspike!
i happy for you, you doing great. you say left leg still healing. you did that bone graft you write about?
What helped to improve healing? Why right leg heal fast and left not?
Thanks!
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Still dealing with the recurring pain in my right leg (right knee area - lower quads sometimes down into my ankles). Dr. Rozbruch thinks this will resolve when the rod comes out (my right leg is fully healed and the rod can come out whenever). I've pressed him several times on this, and he seems to be sticking to his story. I'm not so sure...I hope he's right. I'm trying to suck it up and not get the rod out until the fall so I can enjoy spring/summer without any restrictions.
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I'm having my rod removed as well
Honestly, I doubt either of us see much of a difference but I'll be very happy if proved wrong
Still dealing with the recurring pain in my right leg (right knee area - lower quads sometimes down into my ankles). Dr. Rozbruch thinks this will resolve when the rod comes out (my right leg is fully healed and the rod can come out whenever). I've pressed him several times on this, and he seems to be sticking to his story. I'm not so sure...I hope he's right. I'm trying to suck it up and not get the rod out until the fall so I can enjoy spring/summer without any restrictions.
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Hi YellowSpike
Do you regret going to Dr. guichet? He's always been my choice. I need your advice.
thanks
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Hi YellowSpike
Do you regret going to Dr. guichet? He's always been my choice. I need your advice.
thanks
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hmmm.
No
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I don't regret doing LL or going to Guichet at all. It was something I had to do. I had to get taller. 166/5'5" and some change is just an unacceptable height. Honestly it's like night and day. I'm actually very happy with my height now. I just need this recurring knee pain to go away.
Before LL, I already had a contracture there, and was a bit "bowed" in just my right leg. This exacerbated it. I'm doing PT right now to try and improve my hip flexibility, as well as my internal dorsiflexion and ankle mobility to see if this helps it. One day at a time. I will get there.
Even in times when I have pain, I still don't regret my decision. Anything below 5'7" for a guy is very, very, very bad. And nothing will ever change that.
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I don't regret doing LL or going to Guichet at all. It was something I had to do. I had to get taller. 166/5'5" and some change is just an unacceptable height. Honestly it's like night and day. I'm actually very happy with my height now. I just need this recurring knee pain to go away.
Before LL, I already had a contracture there, and was a bit "bowed" in just my right leg. This exacerbated it. I'm doing PT right now to try and improve my hip flexibility, as well as my internal dorsiflexion and ankle mobility to see if this helps it. One day at a time. I will get there.
Even in times when I have pain, I still don't regret my decision. Anything below 5'7" for a guy is very, very, very bad. And nothing will ever change that.
Do you believe this situation of "very, very, very bad" will shift towards, and over 5'7'' one day? With all this talk of "the younger generation getting taller", do you sometimes fear that being 5'8'' will at one point in time feel like 5'5'' felt before?
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Do you believe this situation of "very, very, very bad" will shift towards, and over 5'7'' one day? With all this talk of "the younger generation getting taller", do you sometimes fear that being 5'8'' will at one point in time feel like 5'5'' felt before?
I believe there will be a shift of ~2" within the next generation or two but the shift will not increase substantially again until far into the future and gene editing/growth becomes available and the norm and then most men will likely be 6 feet and over. Regardless, 5'8" is perceived as much better than 5'5" by most as 5'5" is noticeable and 5'8" is much less so - 3 inches is a substantial amount.
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I believe there will be a shift of ~2" within the next generation or two but the shift will not increase substantially again until far into the future and gene editing/growth becomes available and the norm and then most men will likely be 6 feet and over. Regardless, 5'8" is perceived as much better than 5'5" by most as 5'5" is noticeable and 5'8" is much less so - 3 inches is a substantial amount.
Actually, during my severe height neurosis days I read a lot of articles. And it seems that the height average has maxed out.
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Actually, during my severe height neurosis days I read a lot of articles. And it seems that the height average has maxed out.
Sorry, let me clarify - I believe the shift will be one of perception of height of what is perceived as 'good and bad' rather than an actual increase of height. I agree and have also read research that suggests average height has reached a plateau in developed countries due to better healthcare, nutrition and lifestyle. I believe the perception of height will shift 2" i.e. 6'0" will be perceived as 5'10" is now and become relatively average, 6'2" as the new 6'0" and so forth. This is purely hypothesis or it may just be that society is becoming more height obsessed and superficial.
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Sorry, let me clarify - I believe the shift will be one of perception of height of what is perceived as 'good and bad' rather than an actual increase of height. I agree and have also read research that suggests average height has reached a plateau in developed countries due to better healthcare, nutrition and lifestyle. I believe the perception of height will shift 2" i.e. 6'0" will be perceived as 5'10" is now and become relatively average, 6'2" as the new 6'0" and so forth. This is purely hypothesis or it may just be that society is becoming more height obsessed and superficial.
This will be my last comment on this diary (not wanting to hijack it).
I don't believe that will be the case as even today, 6'2 or 188cm is considered very tall (in a good way I mean). If the average height has indeed plateaued, than 5'7 will still be 5'7 and 5'10 will still be 5'10.
Since I was a kid I remember 180cm being a desired height and even now 20 years later it remained the same in non netherland and Aryanic Europe...
Also, since getting "cured" of this neurosis I started to notice that there are also a lot of older folks who are tall (almost just as much as the young generation). So again, this "young generation is getting much taller" is bull (in the developed world).
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I honestly care very little about height anymore. I'm quite happy with 5'8". No issues attracting women now whatsoever (even did pretty well before LL). At this point, no more LL. I just need this recurring knee pain to go away. Then I will be good to go.
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I don't see why, unless people were growing much taller, people's perceptions of "ideal" heights would shift up. Height is a relative sort of thing.
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Been doing PT, and my right knee pain is getting better. It seems to have been a trifecta of weak hips, lack of internal rotation of my hips and tight ankle muscles all playing a part. I still get it from time to time, but it's not as painful. Don't want to remove the rods as I don't want more surgery and more scarring...but I'll probably look into it next year.
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Hi YellowSpike. Very good news that you are improving and that your problem is something you can solve by working at it and you don't require a surgery. PT is the most
important aspect after/during lengthening! I'll keep it in mind, perhaps we'll meet while removing the nails. Good Luck.
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I honestly care very little about height anymore. I'm quite happy with 5'8". No issues attracting women now whatsoever (even did pretty well before LL). At this point, no more LL. I just need this recurring knee pain to go away. Then I will be good to go.
Hey Yellow were you a smoke before the surgery?
in the scale of 0 to 10 how much do you give your knee pain?
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Hey Yellow were you a smoke before the surgery?
in the scale of 0 to 10 how much do you give your knee pain?
I was a light smoker, like on average 2 cigarettes a day. I quit right before the surgery, but went back to 1-2 a day about 8 months post-op. Dr. R said that probably didn't cause my very slow consolidation of my left leg, since I was such a light smoker.
The knee pain varies greatly. Sometimes it's very livable (1-2), sometimes it would be as high as an 8 or a 9 and I'd temporarily be unable to walk. Knock on wood, the past month has been pretty good and I haven't had to take any ibuprofen. I think the PT is really helping. I really hope this continues. If I can fully resolve this knee pain, I will have been very satisfied with the outcome of the surgery.
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I was a light smoker, like on average 2 cigarettes a day. I quit right before the surgery, but went back to 1-2 a day about 8 months post-op. Dr. R said that probably didn't cause my very slow consolidation of my left leg, since I was such a light smoker.
The knee pain varies greatly. Sometimes it's very livable (1-2), sometimes it would be as high as an 8 or a 9 and I'd temporarily be unable to walk. Knock on wood, the past month has been pretty good and I haven't had to take any ibuprofen. I think the PT is really helping. I really hope this continues. If I can fully resolve this knee pain, I will have been very satisfied with the outcome of the surgery.
You quit smoking the same week of the surgery?! because Dr Guichet said it should be several months!!
Should you attending and doing PT whole your life because of the surgery or you could quit later?
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I've read in another thread (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=3241.31) that you had a screw in one of your legs that caused you pain when you tried running. It was an old thread, however.
Have you already gotten that removed/adjusted? How are you doing nowadays? I hope everything has been going well for you.
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Yes, you're referring to the screw on my left hip. I had that removed last year. Easy surgery and no downtime whatsoever (but we just took out the screw, not the rod itself).
As of my x-rays taken yesterday, both of my legs are 100% healed. I am thankful because while my right leg healed a long time ago, I was at risk for needing a bone graft on the left leg. Dr. R. thinks that removing the left hip screw last year might have re-stimulated bone healing, alone with my eating really well and taking the proper supplements. He was very surprised that my left leg finally healed after all this time, without the bone graft (thank god).
I still have occasional knee/front shin pain on my right leg, but through very focused PT, it's very rare and not nearly as bad as it used to be. Only the high altitude during airplane travel really makes my right leg act up. So definitely going to remove the right rod and screws early next year. Dr. R. said I can take them both out at the same time, or just do the right one, or right one first then left one. Nice to have options.
Overall, life is good. Going from a little over 5'5" to a little over 5'8" (based on evening height) has been life changing. I never get called short anymore. I still feel short at times, but since I'm in the best shape of my life (lean 174 lbs, around 10/11% body fat) and have other things going for me (strong facial aesthetics, lucrative career, bank account, etc.), I will definitely not be doing a second LL lol. I feel like if I were at least 5'7", I wouldn't have done LL. 5'7" I would say is really the cutoff - that might still be pushing it (5'9" and up is preferable), but you can get by at 5'7" if you're in amazing shape with good+ facial aesthetics.
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Awesome to hear life has been going so well for you. Thanks for the reply. I'm heavily considering getting LL in the future, now that I discovered I'm under 5'7". Apparently I measured myself wrong when I was 18. I know the recovery takes a long time; I'm just hoping I won't get any permanent, very bad complication.
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Hi bro , im happy knowing that your quality of Life improved , cheers!
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I don't regret doing LL or going to Guichet at all. It was something I had to do. I had to get taller. 166/5'5" and some change is just an unacceptable height. Honestly it's like night and day. I'm actually very happy with my height now. I just need this recurring knee pain to go away.
Even in times when I have pain, I still don't regret my decision. Anything below 5'7" for a guy is very, very, very bad. And nothing will ever change that.
Hey there, YellowSpike. It's been a while since other posts in your diary. I hope life has been going well for you.
I do think we can all agree life is pretty harder for men under certain thresholds, with 5'7/170cm generally being considered the absolutely least a man can "get away with". However, after all this time, do you still feel about your above sentences in the same way as you've described/wrote them back then? Has your perspective changed any bit?
Thanks for any insight.
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What I will say is that, having successfully done LL and ending my height neurosis, I seem to notice a lot more couples where the man is shorter than his woman, OR just generally short men who are very successful in life. I think before LL, I had so much pain due to my own height that I was sort of blind to all these things. Or maybe I was just seeing what I wanted to see.
Unfortunately, most dating nowadays happens online, and short men (below 5'7"/5'8" especially) are going to have a harder time. Many woman would totally be fine with shorter guys, but in my experience, thanks to social media/online dating, no one seems to talk to each other in real life anymore, so we all resort to online dating. This, in turn, makes women extra picky, and many have straight up told me that height is the first thing they'll use to quickly narrow down all their options.
I never wanted or needed to be the tallest guy around, I just didn't want to be the shortest. Doing this surgery has accomplished that for me. I almost never feel short anymore, and I rarely find women much taller than me, even in heels. And I definitely feel much more attractive from having done LL (I always had the facial aesthetics, but being 166cm just negated that entirely). My proportions aren't perfect, but no one has ever really commented on them except for one guy at my gym (who was watching me deadlift and squat) noticed my femurs were on the long side. But even women who've seen me nked haven't commented, and I think having muscular legs helps camouflage the proportions a bit.
I very rarely get knee pain anymore, and when I do, it's very manageable. Only seem to get it when I run, so I don't run very often (I get my cardio from intense flow yoga, stairmaster, elliptical, etc.). And sometimes when I travel in airplanes, I get right leg pain. Dr. R believes removing the nails will help, so I'm doing that this fall. A bit nervous about that and not keen on having new scars, but whatever, I will deal.
Overall, I'm happy I did LL.
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What I will say is that, having successfully done LL and ending my height neurosis, I seem to notice a lot more couples where the man is shorter than his woman, OR just generally short men who are very successful in life. I think before LL, I had so much pain due to my own height that I was sort of blind to all these things. Or maybe I was just seeing what I wanted to see.
Unfortunately, most dating nowadays happens online, and short men (below 5'7"/5'8" especially) are going to have a harder time. Many woman would totally be fine with shorter guys, but in my experience, thanks to social media/online dating, no one seems to talk to each other in real life anymore, so we all resort to online dating. This, in turn, makes women extra picky, and many have straight up told me that height is the first thing they'll use to quickly narrow down all their options.
I never wanted or needed to be the tallest guy around, I just didn't want to be the shortest. Doing this surgery has accomplished that for me. I almost never feel short anymore, and I rarely find women much taller than me, even in heels. And I definitely feel much more attractive from having done LL (I always had the facial aesthetics, but being 166cm just negated that entirely). My proportions aren't perfect, but no one has ever really commented on them except for one guy at my gym (who was watching me deadlift and squat) noticed my femurs were on the long side. But even women who've seen me nked haven't commented, and I think having muscular legs helps camouflage the proportions a bit.
I very rarely get knee pain anymore, and when I do, it's very manageable. Only seem to get it when I run, so I don't run very often (I get my cardio from intense flow yoga, stairmaster, elliptical, etc.). And sometimes when I travel in airplanes, I get right leg pain. Dr. R believes removing the nails will help, so I'm doing that this fall. A bit nervous about that and not keen on having new scars, but whatever, I will deal.
Overall, I'm happy I did LL.
Glad to hear you are still happy about having gotten LL.
And I didn't know online dating had already become the main form of dating in some places. Where I live, despite the rising popularity of apps like Tinder, people still seem to rely the most on shared social environments such as college, university, etc.
Anyway, I discovered I had some back/posture problems that I'm in the process of fixing, but even despite my gains height, I still think about LL. I'm worried I might be the type who may never be satisfied. I have a certain threshold in my mind, but maybe it'll morph into another one by the time I finally do it. Only time will tell, I guess.
I hope everything goes smoothly with the nail removal, by the way! Pain in long airplane trips sounds like no joke. Thanks for the reply, yet again, YellowSpike.
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Hi YellowSpike,
Glad you're doing well and still happy about your procedure. Thank you for responding to myloginacct's message and updating.
I'm in the process of lengthening femurs. Just hit 6 cm. This update gives me positive hope that my post lengthening will be comfortable and mostly regret-free. My knees are flat for the most part still, but causing a lot of pain and discomfort, making sleep very difficult. Hoping it will be life as usual with my new height in the not too distant future, like yourself.
All the best to you!
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Great update YellowSpike!
Online dating is definitely a game changer for better or for worse, filters can be brutal if you're male and below average in height. I've read an entire profile of a 5'0" girl, only to see in closing: 6 ft and taller ONLY! Obviously not everyone is that blatant, but she wasn't alone; average and taller is a strong preference for many, but I don't blame them as there are plenty of men to choose from. We'd be equally picky if we were getting bombarded with messages too.
I know what you mean, I'm the shortest guy pretty much anywhere I go at 163 cm. Good to hear that you were able to escape that label (too bad for the new shortest guy).
And I didn't know online dating had already become the main form of dating in some places. Where I live, despite the rising popularity of apps like Tinder, people still seem to rely the most on shared social environments such as college, university, etc.
As a student, university is a great place to find a date, since you have a ton of people near your age that have similar interests. Changing classes presents you with a fresh roster, and there are frequent parties/gatherings to meet new people. You can even flirt during class!
As you get older, things slow down. If you work for a small company, your selection is also small. Even if you work for a large company, many are married, and dating a coworker has taboos that don't exist for students. If you land a stable career without a potential love interest, look elsewhere: bars/coffee shops, meet ups, introduction from friends, conferences, chance encounters, etc.
It has also been a huge contributor in pairing LGBTQ couples, since dating apps are also effective in thin markets. People who meet online seem to be divorcing less as well. Source (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/what-online-dating-could-do-to-divorce-rates-2017-10-16).
Some fun statistics on online dating in the US (https://www.eharmony.com/online-dating-statistics/)!
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Well, going by my circle of friends, I see online dating in two types: online dating through the use of those apps, and "online dating" in the sense that you first met and started talking to that other person online. The former hasn't worked out well on the long term for my friends, while the latter has led to strong, stable relationships. Granted, I don't have too many friends. But it's good to know that even Tinder apparently has led to stronger marriages than people who met IRL, on average. I have a very prejudiced notion of Tinder and similar apps and would have never expected that statistic from them.
But I guess the Tinder marriages are stronger because people think they had to settle for "less", as harsh as that sounds. If you are the desired one, you have such a large pool and you can pick among the best suited for you... in all traits possible.
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Hey Yellow, I just read through your updates and am glad to hear you are doing well!
I very rarely get knee pain anymore, and when I do, it's very manageable. Only seem to get it when I run, so I don't run very often (I get my cardio from intense flow yoga, stairmaster, elliptical, etc.). And sometimes when I travel in airplanes, I get right leg pain. Dr. R believes removing the nails will help, so I'm doing that this fall. A bit nervous about that and not keen on having new scars, but whatever, I will deal.
Quick question- do you know if insurance will cover some of the cost of removal with Dr. R or did you ask him about it?
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What I will say is that, having successfully done LL and ending my height neurosis, I seem to notice a lot more couples where the man is shorter than his woman, OR just generally short men who are very successful in life. I think before LL, I had so much pain due to my own height that I was sort of blind to all these things. Or maybe I was just seeing what I wanted to see.
Unfortunately, most dating nowadays happens online, and short men (below 5'7"/5'8" especially) are going to have a harder time. Many woman would totally be fine with shorter guys, but in my experience, thanks to social media/online dating, no one seems to talk to each other in real life anymore, so we all resort to online dating. This, in turn, makes women extra picky, and many have straight up told me that height is the first thing they'll use to quickly narrow down all their options.
I never wanted or needed to be the tallest guy around, I just didn't want to be the shortest. Doing this surgery has accomplished that for me. I almost never feel short anymore, and I rarely find women much taller than me, even in heels. And I definitely feel much more attractive from having done LL (I always had the facial aesthetics, but being 166cm just negated that entirely). My proportions aren't perfect, but no one has ever really commented on them except for one guy at my gym (who was watching me deadlift and squat) noticed my femurs were on the long side. But even women who've seen me nked haven't commented, and I think having muscular legs helps camouflage the proportions a bit.
I very rarely get knee pain anymore, and when I do, it's very manageable. Only seem to get it when I run, so I don't run very often (I get my cardio from intense flow yoga, stairmaster, elliptical, etc.). And sometimes when I travel in airplanes, I get right leg pain. Dr. R believes removing the nails will help, so I'm doing that this fall. A bit nervous about that and not keen on having new scars, but whatever, I will deal.
Overall, I'm happy I did LL.
The proportions issue is probably all in your head. If people aren't starring at it then it doesn't exist.
I think tinder is a godsend. Many women love tall guys IRL which does still translate on to tinder, but most don't actually care and there is also the opportunity to show who you are and your lifestyle which you wouldn't be able to do IRL. There have been numerous occasions when I chat up a girl, exchange IG (I usually try to do it immediately) and after she sees my IG I notice a dramatically higher interest level. You can show of your lifestyle in a way you wouldn't have been able to otherwise. It's like if you're a C-list celebrity and you ask a girl to google you. Suddenly being a bit short doesn't matter so much.
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Update:
It´s been 3 years since my op. I am doing fine.
Athletic recovery is around 99%, but I only lengthened very little (something around 5,7 to 5,9cm, i don´t know exactly) so i don´t know if athletic recovery is possible -in terms of 99%- if you lengthen 8cm.
It all depends on many different factors. Age, dedication, genes, body type, etc etc etc.
One guy -here or in the old forum- made some kind of LL compendium , trying to establish some kind of statistics about good and bad outcome of LL patients. He put me in the "bad outcome" department. This is ridiculous. My outcome is good, if you look at it from a medical standpoint. I was lucky. My complications were minor, compared to what happened to others and compared to what can happen in general.
My pre-LL-problems were mostly in my head, and LL cannot solve this (in most cases). So, maybe this guy who did the statistics chose to put too much emphasis on negative posts of mine that don´t have anything to do with the medical/physical outcome.
I generally advise against LL.
If you think this is your very last option and you are about to kill yourself, ok, do it.
But don´t expect to be happy after LL. This is rarely likely if you have been unhappy pre-LL (exceptions always exist, of course).
If you are an unhappy person, you are an unhappy person, a few centimeters more won´t fix that.
I am glad that I did the op, but I am still an unhappy person. This is my nature and the circumstances of my life.
But maybe my case is different. I did LL at 45 and I was pretty ok until then. Well: I must correct, I was pretty ok until 41 or 42. It was then when I realized that you cannot easily start all over again at that age, e.g. realizing you should have been an artist and ended up as a lawyer. Or the other way round.
So maybe, if you are young and do LL and you are unhappy, maybe LL can actually help you to become a happy person. I don´t know. Each person is unique , each case is different, each one has his/her own complications.
But, LL should be the very last remedy. Before, try everything else. You have got to realize that -doing LL- you finally and unchangeably decide to not accept the body that was given to you. This can be a huge burden for the rest of your life.
It all comes down to a very simple logic:
1. If you are happy, don´t do LL. You risk many things and you lose important things. What for? You are already happy, so stay happy and make the best out of your life.
2. If you are unhappy, chances are that you will stay unhappy after LL, just being a few centimeters taller. But maybe you are an exception and LL will actually affect your happiness. Nobody knows...
To all those who think they will have better chances with women: Your personality weighs way more than just a few centimeters. So, if you do it, do it for yourself and not for women.
Peace
OBG
I have been thinking about what OBG said in this post for a few months now. Overall, I don't regret doing LL. It did get rid of my height neurosis. But at the cost of less-than-perfect (although overall fine - even seeing me nked, no one's ever commented) proportions, recurring pain (although I still need to have the hardware removed), and the fear of running into/hanging out with certain people (7cm is a VERY noticeable increase, believe me). I get angry sometimes wishing I was 5'7" naturally. I honestly feel that, at a height of at least 5'7", while that's still "short," it's the height where a man starts looking normal/having normal proportions (at least, in my opinion). I was about 5'5.5", so beneath that and at a height where I was undeniably short. But now that my height neurosis is gone and my "eyes are open," I do see a lot of men who are below 5'7" who are living great lives. Maybe they're not married to Heidi Klum or Kate Upton, but they do have attractive and kind wives, children, etc. They might get occasional jabs for their height, and while I can't comment on how that makes them feel or if they experience it in the workplace (where it would annoy me more), among friends, it's really not malicious. I think I was just hurting internally and those innocuous jabs hurt me more than they should have as a result.
I somewhat regret changing myself. It's a weird catch 22. I'm such a damn perfectionist (something I'm working on) and I KNOW I'm more attractive at 5'8" than I was at 5'5" and some change. And I also think that, if I had never done LL, I'd always be wondering what being taller would be like, and would regret missing the chance to do it when I was relatively young. So, knowing me, either way, I'd have some regrets.
I guess I just want others to know that life is really largely the same after LL (assuming you don't have any serious complications). You're just taller. That's about the only thing that's changed for me. LL will NOT magically fix all of your life problems or make you happy. You might be happier, or at least, content with your height - but that's it. Be cognizant of this.
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I have been thinking about what OBG said in this post for a few months now. Overall, I don't regret doing LL. It did get rid of my height neurosis. But at the cost of less-than-perfect (although overall fine - even seeing me nked, no one's ever commented) proportions, recurring pain (although I still need to have the hardware removed), and the fear of running into/hanging out with certain people (7cm is a VERY noticeable increase, believe me). I get angry sometimes wishing I was 5'7" naturally. I honestly feel that, at a height of at least 5'7", while that's still "short," it's the height where a man starts looking normal/having normal proportions (at least, in my opinion). I was about 5'5.5", so beneath that and at a height where I was undeniably short. But now that my height neurosis is gone and my "eyes are open," I do see a lot of men who are below 5'7" who are living great lives. Maybe they're not married to Heidi Klum or Kate Upton, but they do have attractive and kind wives, children, etc. They might get occasional jabs for their height, and while I can't comment on how that makes them feel or if they experience it in the workplace (where it would annoy me more), among friends, it's really not malicious. I think I was just hurting internally and those innocuous jabs hurt me more than they should have as a result.
I somewhat regret changing myself. It's a weird catch 22. I'm such a damn perfectionist (something I'm working on) and I KNOW I'm more attractive at 5'8" than I was at 5'5" and some change. And I also think that, if I had never done LL, I'd always be wondering what being taller would be like, and would regret missing the chance to do it when I was relatively young. So, knowing me, either way, I'd have some regrets.
I guess I just want others to know that life is really largely the same after LL (assuming you don't have any serious complications). You're just taller. That's about the only thing that's changed for me. LL will NOT magically fix all of your life problems or make you happy. You might be happier, or at least, content with your height - but that's it. Be cognizant of this.
Yellow:
"I demolish my bridges behind me - then there is no choice but forward."
- Fridtjof Nansen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fridtjof_Nansen)
A quote I find really useful. Thought I should share.
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Even with the "what if" second guessing and dealing with existing friends that don't know about your CLL, the elimination of height neurosis sounds like a net positive. Thanks for your candid thoughts!
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Hey yellow,
a very inspiring diary, I read it right now all in once :). Thank you for that and your honestly.
I wish you the best for your life !
C
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I have been thinking about what OBG said in this post for a few months now. Overall, I don't regret doing LL. It did get rid of my height neurosis. But at the cost of less-than-perfect (although overall fine - even seeing me nked, no one's ever commented) proportions, recurring pain (although I still need to have the hardware removed), and the fear of running into/hanging out with certain people (7cm is a VERY noticeable increase, believe me). I get angry sometimes wishing I was 5'7" naturally. I honestly feel that, at a height of at least 5'7", while that's still "short," it's the height where a man starts looking normal/having normal proportions (at least, in my opinion). I was about 5'5.5", so beneath that and at a height where I was undeniably short. But now that my height neurosis is gone and my "eyes are open," I do see a lot of men who are below 5'7" who are living great lives. Maybe they're not married to Heidi Klum or Kate Upton, but they do have attractive and kind wives, children, etc. They might get occasional jabs for their height, and while I can't comment on how that makes them feel or if they experience it in the workplace (where it would annoy me more), among friends, it's really not malicious. I think I was just hurting internally and those innocuous jabs hurt me more than they should have as a result.
I somewhat regret changing myself. It's a weird catch 22. I'm such a damn perfectionist (something I'm working on) and I KNOW I'm more attractive at 5'8" than I was at 5'5" and some change. And I also think that, if I had never done LL, I'd always be wondering what being taller would be like, and would regret missing the chance to do it when I was relatively young. So, knowing me, either way, I'd have some regrets.
I guess I just want others to know that life is really largely the same after LL (assuming you don't have any serious complications). You're just taller. That's about the only thing that's changed for me. LL will NOT magically fix all of your life problems or make you happy. You might be happier, or at least, content with your height - but that's it. Be cognizant of this.
Yup pretty much how it's starting to feel like as I'm making my decision on it atm. I'm content with my life, being away from the forums was the real antidote I needed and pretty much what got rid of my neurosis.
It is hard though not to do it. It's pretty tempting all around and just knowing I can get rid of this nagging behind my head (which as I alluded too is pretty much a fraction of what it was years ago), is the biggest pull. I would say if anything I'm not that desperate to do it; Ill have to do it before my late 20s because of recovery reasons, but I'm not frantic about it anymore.
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the fear of running into/hanging out with certain people (7cm is a VERY noticeable increase, believe me).
I found it hilarious that almost nobody (that didn't know about what I did) commented on my height increase. Maybe a 5'2 and 5'5 person don't look very different to the 5'8 & 5'9 friends I have? ;D Or maybe people thought I just grew naturally.
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I found it hilarious that almost nobody (that didn't know about what I did) commented on my height increase. Maybe a 5'2 and 5'5 person don't look very different to the 5'8 & 5'9 friends I have? ;D Or maybe people thought I just grew naturally.
You grew 7cm too? And nobody noticed?
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You grew 7cm too? And nobody noticed?
7.5 actually
The people who knew I did it definitely noticed it. But friends I met once in many months didn't. Maybe they just assumed I grew naturally or didn't give a fk.
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but don't they notice from lack of willingness to engage in physical activities like hiking, traveling which involves a lot of walking?
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but don't they notice from lack of willingness to engage in physical activities like hiking, traveling which involves a lot of walking?
I just lengthened 7cm, and surprisingly less people than I thought have noticed the change. The. people who have said anything attribute it to the weight loss I had with my "fractured" legs. Most will leave it alone after a few comments.
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Is it because we over estimate how much 7cm really is?
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Is it because we over estimate how much 7cm really is?
Maybe, but to me and any other LLer I've talked to, 7cm is very significant. It is definitely a night and day difference to me.
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I just lengthened 7cm, and surprisingly less people than I thought have noticed the change. The. people who have said anything attribute it to the weight loss I had with my "fractured" legs. Most will leave it alone after a few comments.
Exactly the same happened with me.
I lengthened 7.5 cm and although all of my friends said I seemed bigger, noone thought that I am so much taller than before.
Maybe because I was short (1.68) and I just became as tall as them or still shorter.
Also I was 22 so many would think that I grew naturally.
Anyway, 7.5 cm IS a big difference and being 1.75 to 1.68 is a whole new world. However, when I become from average to tall after my second LL (when I will end up at about 1.82-2) I am sure that everyone will notice how tall I became. But I dont care, on the other hand I want a drastic change so as to finally feel completely ok with my height.
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It's funny you guys have been having this convo in my diary...here's an interesting story..
Just this past weekend, I hung out with a friend I hadn't seen in a long time. One negative side effect of this surgery, at least for me, is that I sorta avoided certain people because I didn't want them to know I had the surgery. Some people I told, some I didn't. It really depended on the person and what I thought their reaction would be.
Anyway...this guy is about 5' 7.5". So he was definitely taller than me pre surgery, and I'm a little taller than him after the surgery. I've noticed that women (almost all of them, no matter what their own height is - since they instinctively value or are attracted to height) and guys around my height (either a bit shorter, the same or a bit taller pre-surgery) tend to notice the most. Guys 5'10" and up haven't seemed to notice. I was worried this guy would notice both because he wasn't that much taller than me, and also because I figured he'd react negatively. Thankfully, I think just the fact that I'm a lot more well-built and have different facial hair and longer hair in general (and the fact that it had been years) all threw him off. But a few times, I caught him looking at me with confusion in his eyes. He looked at me a few times as if he knew something was different about me, but he couldn't quite figure out what it was. But I loved it! ;D And I loved being taller than him. I know I only lengthened 7cm, but I'm wondering if yoga has given me some more (even if only temporary). My doctor recently measured me at 5'8.5", although I think my evening height is closer to 5'8" or maybe a tad above that.
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but don't they notice from lack of willingness to engage in physical activities like hiking, traveling which involves a lot of walking?
I can walk long distances, I could trek/hike if I wanted to. I just can't play sports yet but I think that'll change in 6 months or so (I'll still wait a year). Not a soul can see me walking and find anything wrong. I didn't play that much of sports before, so they probably just think I'm being lazy
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It's funny you guys have been having this convo in my diary...here's an interesting story..
Just this past weekend, I hung out with a friend I hadn't seen in a long time. One negative side effect of this surgery, at least for me, is that I sorta avoided certain people because I didn't want them to know I had the surgery. Some people I told, some I didn't. It really depended on the person and what I thought their reaction would be.
Anyway...this guy is about 5' 7.5". So he was definitely taller than me pre surgery, and I'm a little taller than him after the surgery. I've noticed that women (almost all of them, no matter what their own height is - since they instinctively value or are attracted to height) and guys around my height (either a bit shorter, the same or a bit taller pre-surgery) tend to notice the most. Guys 5'10" and up haven't seemed to notice. I was worried this guy would notice both because he wasn't that much taller than me, and also because I figured he'd react negatively. Thankfully, I think just the fact that I'm a lot more well-built and have different facial hair and longer hair in general (and the fact that it had been years) all threw him off. But a few times, I caught him looking at me with confusion in his eyes. He looked at me a few times as if he knew something was different about me, but he couldn't quite figure out what it was. But I loved it! ;D And I loved being taller than him. I know I only lengthened 7cm, but I'm wondering if yoga has given me some more (even if only temporary). My doctor recently measured me at 5'8.5", although I think my evening height is closer to 5'8" or maybe a tad above that.
That's hilarious. Feels sneaky as f*ck, doesn't it?
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One negative side effect of this surgery, at least for me, is that I sorta avoided certain people because I didn't want them to know I had the surgery. Some people I told, some I didn't. It really depended on the person and what I thought their reaction would be.
I've told a few people IRL that I'm doing this soon, and I find it much easier to tell women or men that are taller than me. I've yet to tell my very close male friends that are about my height because it feels like I'm betraying them in a weird way. They'll find out eventually, looking forward to the reactions!
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It's funny you guys have been having this convo in my diary...here's an interesting story..
Just this past weekend, I hung out with a friend I hadn't seen in a long time. One negative side effect of this surgery, at least for me, is that I sorta avoided certain people because I didn't want them to know I had the surgery. Some people I told, some I didn't. It really depended on the person and what I thought their reaction would be.
Anyway...this guy is about 5' 7.5". So he was definitely taller than me pre surgery, and I'm a little taller than him after the surgery. I've noticed that women (almost all of them, no matter what their own height is - since they instinctively value or are attracted to height) and guys around my height (either a bit shorter, the same or a bit taller pre-surgery) tend to notice the most. Guys 5'10" and up haven't seemed to notice. I was worried this guy would notice both because he wasn't that much taller than me, and also because I figured he'd react negatively. Thankfully, I think just the fact that I'm a lot more well-built and have different facial hair and longer hair in general (and the fact that it had been years) all threw him off. But a few times, I caught him looking at me with confusion in his eyes. He looked at me a few times as if he knew something was different about me, but he couldn't quite figure out what it was. But I loved it! ;D And I loved being taller than him. I know I only lengthened 7cm, but I'm wondering if yoga has given me some more (even if only temporary). My doctor recently measured me at 5'8.5", although I think my evening height is closer to 5'8" or maybe a tad above that.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5552.msg86400#msg86400
You can definitely squeeze maybe up to 2 extra centimeters if you want!
Stretching has definitely given me 1 extra centimeter. I don't mind it if it's temporary, as I do the stretching exercises everyday, anyway.
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But a few times, I caught him looking at me with confusion in his eyes. He looked at me a few times as if he knew something was different about me, but he couldn't quite figure out what it was.
Exactly !! This has happened a few times to me. Funny!
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Fxck the reactions and what people who I know think. If they see me they see me. Not going out of my way to see anyone I knew just so I can see their reaction to my height even if it would be positive. Fxck them.
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Just had my rods taken out on Friday. Someone on here mentioned not to underestimate the rod removal surgery, and boy were they right. I feel like I’ve been hit by a truck and my walking is now back to penguin status lol. But at least the surgery went well and had no complications. Happy to be hardware free. Just need this soreness to go down! Ugh!
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Just had my rods taken out on Friday. Someone on here mentioned not to underestimate the rod removal surgery, and boy were they right. I feel like I’ve been hit by a truck and my walking is now back to penguin status lol. But at least the surgery went well and had no complications. Happy to be hardware free. Just need this soreness to go down! Ugh!
Hello Yellowspike3, why you waited so long for removal?
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Hello Yellowspike3, why you waited so long for removal?
I had delayed consolidation on my left femur and the timing just was never right. I considered keeping them in, but didn’t want to deal with the pain I always got on airplanes. And everyone who has had them removed says you feel so much better after the soreness from the removal surgery wears off. So I chose this month, as I’d rather be sore/moving slowly during fall/winter as opposed to spring/summer.
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Hope you get recovered soon YellowSpike!
Any chance you can post a deadlift / squat video because I read that you lift insane amounts. I want to see how it looks with lengthened femurs.
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Hope you get recovered soon YellowSpike!
Any chance you can post a deadlift / squat video because I read that you lift insane amounts. I want to see how it looks with lengthened femurs.
I’ll think about it. I do have some vids of my heavy lifts, but obviously have to take it easy for a while as I recover from nail removal :)
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Congratulations!
I looked at your May 30th entry. I saw that confused look so many times when I met people who used to be taller than me (and were now my height). I think I'll never forget that. I have traveled a lot in the past year and have met most of my friends/family from before LL. I can't wait to meet he last group of friends who haven't seen me after LL to see their reactions.
The people who were taller than me before and who are still taller didn't notice anything. The dudes who were my height/are my height now noticed and were confused. The ladies DEFINITELY noticed.
Did you have your rods removed by Dr. Rozbruch? I'm thinking of doing the same. I have really good insurance. How much did it cost you (with and without insurance)?
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Congratulations!
I looked at your May 30th entry. I saw that confused look so many times when I met people who used to be taller than me (and were now my height). I think I'll never forget that. I have traveled a lot in the past year and have met most of my friends/family from before LL. I can't wait to meet he last group of friends who haven't seen me after LL to see their reactions.
The people who were taller than me before and who are still taller didn't notice anything. The dudes who were my height/are my height now noticed and were confused. The ladies DEFINITELY noticed.
Did you have your rods removed by Dr. Rozbruch? I'm thinking of doing the same. I have really good insurance. How much did it cost you (with and without insurance)?
Thanks man! Yeah it was weird that women of all heights in my life (those that were already shorter than me, those the same height as me, or those that used to be taller or are still taller than me) ALL noticed the height increase. Most of my male buddies didn't unless I passed them from LL. Just goes to show that ALL women, even if they are ok with dating me that are short, at the very least NOTICE a man's height. They may value it at different levels, but they ALL notice.
Yes, Dr. R took my rods out. I don't have the numbers yet as my insurance is still doing the claim as we speak. PM me in a few weeks and I should know (I'd rather not post it on here). The cost without any insurance is $10,000 (not including hospital fees, but those are 90% covered, so not worried about those).
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Thanks man! Yeah it was weird that women of all heights in my life (those that were already shorter than me, those the same height as me, or those that used to be taller or are still taller than me) ALL noticed the height increase. Most of my male buddies didn't unless I passed them from LL. Just goes to show that ALL women, even if they are ok with dating me that are short, at the very least NOTICE a man's height. They may value it at different levels, but they ALL notice.
Yes, Dr. R took my rods out. I don't have the numbers yet as my insurance is still doing the claim as we speak. PM me in a few weeks and I should know (I'd rather not post it on here). The cost without any insurance is $10,000 (not including hospital fees, but those are 90% covered, so not worried about those).
That’s so true. Height is always a positive (to a certain point) for dating, regardless of what people say. That being said, since most people are in the 5’8” to 5’11” range it’s hard to tell the difference.
That’s incredible. The cost even without insurance is a lot lower than what I expected. Still this makes my budgeting way easier and speeds up my rod removal timeline.
I would be extra careful though. I think ProgramDude also had his rods removed with him and his femur snapped. I would take it easy with the stretching. Please keep us updated with your recovery as there are very few post rod removal entries.
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That’s so true. Height is always a positive (to a certain point) for dating, regardless of what people say. That being said, since most people are in the 5’8” to 5’11” range it’s hard to tell the difference.
That’s incredible. The cost even without insurance is a lot lower than what I expected. Still this makes my budgeting way easier and speeds up my rod removal timeline.
I would be extra careful though. I think ProgramDude also had his rods removed with him and his femur snapped. I would take it easy with the stretching. Please keep us updated with your recovery as there are very few post rod removal entries.
I'll be taking it easy. No heavy DLs or squats for me for a while. I will get x-rays to make sure holes from screws have all filled back up before I let myself go at it again.
But I do wanna get back to doing something for glutes asap. Maybe lightly weighted hip-thrusts at least, since those all put pressure entirely on your glutes (if you're doing it properly). My butt, even after just a few days of relative inactivity (my walking is now fine - just hurts when I have to do stairs because of the stitches), is somewhat flatter! Don't want to have pancake butt again, took me so long to build it back up! Really kinda concerned about this lol...
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Can't wait to see if there's a big difference in athleticism after you have your rods removed. I know for sure that the screws are holding me back physically. I think when I get my nails removed, 3.5 years post op, I will be safe from my femur snapping.
Take it easy dude. I had the pancake butt thing too, I miss my natural cushion, but it isn't worth breaking anything.
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Can't wait to see if there's a big difference in athleticism after you have your rods removed. I know for sure that the screws are holding me back physically. I think when I get my nails removed, 3.5 years post op, I will be safe from my femur snapping.
Take it easy dude. I had the pancake butt thing too, I miss my natural cushion, but it isn't worth breaking anything.
Holding you back...please explain how?
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Can't wait to see if there's a big difference in athleticism after you have your rods removed. I know for sure that the screws are holding me back physically. I think when I get my nails removed, 3.5 years post op, I will be safe from my femur snapping.
Take it easy dude. I had the pancake butt thing too, I miss my natural cushion, but it isn't worth breaking anything.
Penguinn, I did LL exactly a year after you. I am ready for rod removal and was also thinking of going to Parihar. Do you know how much he was charging for rod removal?
Also, why not do the removal now?
Sorry maybe I should ask on your diary but since we are already discussing the topic here I thought it would be useful.
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I wanted to get rid of the rods last year, but the timing wasn't right, as I had just switched jobs and my surgery date fell right during the time my insurance lapsed. And then, I didn't want to do it in late winter/early spring, as I wanted a peaceful spring/summer. So I pushed it back to this fall. I also had delayed consolidation in my left femur - I didn't get the confirm that my left leg had finally healed completely until about a year ago.
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Holding you back...please explain how?
I can feel the screws causing some tension. It's not an alarming or serious feeling, but it's definitely holding me back. I don't know how else to explain it.
Also the WEIRD, weird thing is that it's always just 1 leg. Either the right leg feels totally fine, or the left feels totally fine and any tension or slight lingering LL effects only affect 1 leg. I don't know if this is the body's way of healing, or life is just weird ;D
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Penguinn, I did LL exactly a year after you. I am ready for rod removal and was also thinking of going to Parihar. Do you know how much he was charging for rod removal?
Also, why not do the removal now?
Sorry maybe I should ask on your diary but since we are already discussing the topic here I thought it would be useful.
I don't have the time. College, internships etc. I know you guys will say "well just make time" but I can't. I'd get my life ruined if I took a month out. It just won't be possible for me until early 2020, and that's that. And anyway, seeing what happened to programdude, I don't mind removing my nails 3.5 years post-op. I hope they don't fuse or sh*t. I'll get an xray soon.
I don't know how much Parihar charges for nail removal yet, sorry.
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I can feel the screws causing some tension. It's not an alarming or serious feeling, but it's definitely holding me back. I don't know how else to explain it.
Also the WEIRD, weird thing is that it's always just 1 leg. Either the right leg feels totally fine, or the left feels totally fine and any tension or slight lingering LL effects only affect 1 leg. I don't know if this is the body's way of healing, or life is just weird ;D
I had the SAME exact experience. The screw near my left hip was super painful, hence why I had just that screw taken out 2 years ago. So annoying.
And then whenever I traveled via airplane, it was only my right leg that (I'd say, about 7 out of 10 times) had what I refer to as "high altitude air pressure bone pain." Both Dr. G and Dr. R said removing the rod should get rid of that altogether.
I know some people leave the rods in. I was thinking about it. I didn't want to have more/new scars, pay the money, go through another surgery, etc. - but I think in the long run, we should always get the hardware removed. Everyone I know who has done LL has said they felt so much better with the hardware removed (even if we all sort of get used to having them in).
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It isn't "super painful" for me, but if it can relieve that much pain for others, surely it should rid whatever effects of LL linger and make me 99 or 100% post removal.
I am DEFINITELY having them removed. No doubt.
The question is when, that's unfortunately 3.5y post op
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A bit over a week later, and walking totally normal and pain almost entirely gone. I even dare say that removing the rods/screws got rid of the remaining tiny hip swaying I still had. Not having the rods does feel great (now that the pain has gone down enough so that I can feel the difference). Glad it's behind me.
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A bit over a week later, and walking totally normal and pain almost entirely gone. I even dare say that removing the rods/screws got rid of the remaining tiny hip swaying I still had. Not having the rods does feel great (now that the pain has gone down enough so that I can feel the difference). Glad it's behind me.
I'm glad to hear that! Did the doctor say anything about how much weight you can bear at the moment Do you still need to send him any X-Rays to confirm if you are fully healed. This must be a great feeling. Literally the complete end of the procedure.
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Anyway, 7.5 cm IS a big difference and being 1.75 to 1.68 is a whole new world. However, when I become from average to tall after my second LL (when I will end up at about 1.82-2) I am sure that everyone will notice how tall I became. But I dont care, on the other hand I want a drastic change so as to finally feel completely ok with my height.
@Body Builder .. Did you make 7.5cm in femur or Tibia?
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I'm glad to hear that! Did the doctor say anything about how much weight you can bear at the moment Do you still need to send him any X-Rays to confirm if you are fully healed. This must be a great feeling. Literally the complete end of the procedure.
Thanks man. No, he just said I could walk immediately, but that I can't run or do weights for a month post-op. I'll probably wait longer than that (like 2 months) just to be extra safe. I'll go in for new x-rays in a few weeks. Get my stitches taken out this week I believe. In the meantime, for glutes, I'll be doing weighted hip thrusts (if you do them properly, there's very little pressure, almost none, on your thighs - should be almost entirely your glutes doing the work).
I have a bit of shin pain in my right shin, but I think it's due to the "newness" of being rod free and also my walking seems to have returned entirely to how it was before I even had LL. I'm hoping (I don't think it is) it's not premature arthritis and that it's just a fleeting thing as my body finally (hopefully!) returns to normal.
Glad to hopefully be out of the woods finally. I'm somewhere between 5'8" and 5'9" depending on the time of day (I seem to be close to 5'9" right out of bed). I'd of course still love to be taller. But there's no way in hell I'd do tibias, so this will have to do. I'm happy 8)
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Got my G-Nails back. When you remove them, I guess depending on the doctor/hospital, you can fill out a form to recover the removed hardware (but it can take a very long time to get them back, almost a year for me after removal). I wanted my G-Nails as a souvenir lol and I might even frame them.
I also wanted them back because the G-Nail has a ruler that tells you exactly how much you lengthened. Many have said that ratcheting nails lengthen somewhat more than we think. My click file had me at like 6.8/7cm, but it turns out I got 7.5cm on one leg, and like 7.7cm on the other. So I did get almost exactly 3 inches in the end (which was what I wanted). That was the final tiny bit of "closure" I wanted.
My girlfriend is 5'10.5". I'm a little over 5'8" after surgery. Her ex was 5'5", so she obviously doesn't care about height. But I did/do. I'm not sure how I would have felt dating her at my old height of 5'5.25". She's beautiful and literally stops traffic. Not sure if I'll ever tell her about the surgery. I actually feel like she'd be ok with it, but we'll see. My few friends who know about it never even mention it anymore, and they never really cared. They were supportive. But people talk, and I'd prefer to keep this in my very close circle.
This will probably be my last ever post in this diary. I'm still not tall at all, but I'm taller than most women (but not my gf lol) and don't feel like a midget next to other guys. And when I'm around men much taller than me, I just don't care anymore. And when life throws other sh*t my way, I remind myself that I was able to survive LL.
I know others like Unicorn have had a nightmare of a time with Dr. Guichet. I guess I was lucky, I had a very good result in the end. I had my rods removed by Dr. Rozbruch and am so thankful I did, because I feel soooo much better with them out.
Life is good. :D
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Got my G-Nails back. When you remove them, I guess depending on the doctor/hospital, you can fill out a form to recover the removed hardware (but it can take a very long time to get them back, almost a year for me after removal). I wanted my G-Nails as a souvenir lol and I might even frame them.
I also wanted them back because the G-Nail has a ruler that tells you exactly how much you lengthened. Many have said that ratcheting nails lengthen somewhat more than we think. My click file had me at like 6.8/7cm, but it turns out I got 7.5cm on one leg, and like 7.7cm on the other. So I did get almost exactly 3 inches in the end (which was what I wanted). That was the final tiny bit of "closure" I wanted.
My girlfriend is 5'10.5". I'm a little over 5'8" after surgery. Her ex was 5'5", so she obviously doesn't care about height. But I did/do. I'm not sure how I would have felt dating her at my old height of 5'5.25". She's beautiful and literally stops traffic. Not sure if I'll ever tell her about the surgery. I actually feel like she'd be ok with it, but we'll see. My few friends who know about it never even mention it anymore, and they never really cared. They were supportive. But people talk, and I'd prefer to keep this in my very close circle.
This will probably be my last ever post in this diary. I'm still not tall at all, but I'm taller than most women (but not my gf lol) and don't feel like a midget next to other guys. And when I'm around men much taller than me, I just don't care anymore. And when life throws other sh*t my way, I remind myself that I was able to survive LL.
I know others like Unicorn have had a nightmare of a time with Dr. Guichet. I guess I was lucky, I had a very good result in the end. I had my rods removed by Dr. Rozbruch and am so thankful I did, because I feel soooo much better with them out.
Life is good. :D
How do you feel now? Pain? Complication?
Physical strength
Gate
and posibbly complication in the future?
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How do you feel now? Pain? Complication?
Physical strength
Gate
and posibbly complication in the future?
No issues at all. Zero pain. I can run, deadlift 445 pounds, squat 350 (and get to parallel, even with longer femurs, just takes some adjustments and weightlifting shoes lol)…no complaints at all. As far as the future, who knows, but I take one day at a time.
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very good summary post yellow spike! urs is what a perfect LL outcome would look like.
two pending thoughts in head would remain after full physical recovery = keeping LL secret or not? (because LL is not main stream) and some worry of long term aches (because no long term data on LL) ...
even though i dont believe the 445pound dead lift and 350pound squat claim ;D whats ur body weight? its hard to believe a 5foot8 guy can lift this much. u must be very very heavy in weight. i never seen any one lift so much in real life.
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very good summary post yellow spike! urs is what a perfect LL outcome would look like.
two pending thoughts in head would remain after full physical recovery = keeping LL secret or not? (because LL is not main stream) and some worry of long term aches (because no long term data on LL) ...
even though i dont believe the 445pound dead lift and 350pound squat claim ;D whats ur body weight? its hard to believe a 5foot8 guy can lift this much. u must be very very heavy in weight. i never seen any one lift so much in real life.
Haha you don't have to believe my claims at all ;) I have no reason to lie about anything on here. Before LL and still after LL, I have always been a rather stocky (but lean-stocky, not fat-stocky) guy. I have always had naturally muscular calves, thigh and glute muscles. I may only be 5'8 and some change, but I'm quite strong for my height. And no, I don't do steroids, I'm all natty. I am about 175 lbs, fairly lean (don't have quite have abs, sometimes I do - never cared about them, but my stomach is pretty flat). I reached 445 lb deadlift last year (4 years post LL, rods still in) and 355 squat a few weeks ago (almost 5 years after, rods no longer in). It took me years to figure out how to squat properly, still hitting parallel, with longer femurs. But I did it. Wide stance and powerlifting shoes FTW.
I don't think about long-term complications. If they happen, they happen. I can undo LL now, so I'll just enjoy my height. As far as keeping it a secret, my friends who know sometimes forget I had the surgery. I sometimes forget too. It's just not a big part of my life anymore. My current gf if 5'10.5" and she stops traffic. Her ex was 5'5", she's one of those tall hot girls who obviously doesn't care about height. Maybe I'll tell her someday, I feel like she'd be ok with it. But right now, I'm leaning towards not. I'm extremely cautious with things like that.
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very good summary post yellow spike! urs is what a perfect LL outcome would look like.
2.5 years to consolidate one leg perfect outcome?
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2.5 years to consolidate one leg perfect outcome?
All’s well that ends well. Even if one femur did take longer. I used to be a light smoker, and ratcheting nails aren’t the best for consolation.
But I know DIFM went with Paley (non-ratcheting nail) and I think he too had delayed consolation and at one point was saying he might need a bone graft.
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All’s well that ends well. Even if one femur did take longer. I used to be a light smoker, and ratcheting nails aren’t the best for consolation.
But I know DIFM went with Paley and I think he too had delayed consolation and at one point was saying he might need a bone graft.
Did you smoke during lengthening/consolidation phase?
Yes, I know about DIFM case and I'm not blaming anyone here. It's not what I consider perfect outcome, but if you are satisfied with the result, that's what matters in the end. I believe OldieButGoldie had the "perfect outcome".
I just want to know if you can avoid this if you watch callus carefully on xrays. I would prefer stop lengthening (and loosing money) than lengthen the amount I want and have a very delayed union.
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Did you smoke during lengthening/consolidation phase?
Yes, I know about DIFM case and I'm not blaming anyone here. It's not what I consider perfect outcome, but if you are satisfied with the result, that's what matters in the end. I believe OldieButGoldie had the "perfect outcome".
I just want to know if you can avoid this if you watch callus carefully on xrays. I would prefer stop lengthening (and loosing money) than lengthen the amount I want and have a very delayed union.
I am very happy with the outcome and have no pain or complications to speak of.
I didn't smoke during lengthening, but smoked lightly about a year after surgery when I was still consolidating. Bad move on my part obviously. To be clear, the leg had partially consolidated, but not all the way around. I think what saved me was stopping smoking (duh) and also taking Bone Up supplements (in a matter of like 2-3 months, my x-rays showed huge improvement).
Not smoking will certainly help you. Apparently taking the right supplements and weight bearing as soon as you are able to (this stimulates bone growth) will help too. It also helps if you're not Asian, as apparently Asian bones (especially Asian females) aren't very dense and consolidate slower than other races.
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Yellow, are you ever going to consider tibias now? I read somewhere that you still have height neurosis?
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Nope, no plans to do tibias. No way I'd subject myself to this ever again. I'm very happy with my height, my appearance and my life. No issues socially or with women at all. Didn't really have issues before LL, but I personally hated my old height. I had some lingering neurosis after the surgery initially, but it totally faded once I got back to just living my life.
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Hey YellowSpike, when did you remove rods? October 2018? if so how do you feel almost 2 years post? did you ever do any sports that require a lot of sprinting and agility? Soccer, Football) If so are you able to perform those are a similar level to Pre op?
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Hey YellowSpike, when did you remove rods? October 2018? if so how do you feel almost 2 years post? did you ever do any sports that require a lot of sprinting and agility? Soccer, Football) If so are you able to perform those are a similar level to Pre op?
Rods removed October 2018, yes. I feel super. To be honest, I don't do a lot of sports that require lots of agility, but I do jog/run with no issues. Also big into bodybuilding and can squat (need power lifting shoes, since I have long femurs now) and deadlift heavy with no problem. I'm actually in the best shape of my life. But I was never a sports star before LL, so that really didn't factor into my decision.
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That's great bro! thanks for getting back to me ny the way. Wow that's good !! work hard, look good, feel good. 🙌🏼
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Rods removed October 2018, yes. I feel super. To be honest, I don't do a lot of sports that require lots of agility, but I do jog/run with no issues. Also big into bodybuilding and can squat (need power lifting shoes, since I have long femurs now) and deadlift heavy with no problem. I'm actually in the best shape of my life. But I was never a sports star before LL, so that really didn't factor into my decision.
Do you feel you’ve fully recovered at this stage?
Can you walk for as long as you wish, like you could pre-CLL?
Do you experience any pain?
Is your muscle endurance the same?