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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: kevin11 on February 16, 2015, 01:30:08 AM
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Hi! I am New on this forum but have read alot about limb lenthening. I hope not to offend anyone on this forum by this post. But I Too have the right to use thé Tools to get thé height i want.
I Am 24 years old standing 6'3(190cm), im thinking about lengthening 5-6cm.
My proportions are Good for my height my wingspan is, 198cm. My LEGS from thé floor up to under my penis is 94cm. I have also measured my tibia Bone and femur Bone best as i could.
Tibia Bone from my upper wrist to thé bottom of my knee Cap is around 44 cm. When measurin from floor to upper knee Cap it is around 54 cm.
MY FEMUR Bone from where thé leg connects with the hip down to knee Cap is around 50cm.
And i wonder fRom more experienced leg lengthers if i should do my tibia or femurs. I am a very athletic and active individuaö and i wish to recover as much as possible and as Quick as possible. As i use my body for a living
I also wonder since my LEGS are taller than "normal" leg lengthener Will i have a lower risk of facing Long term complications or problems since i lengthen around 13% procent of natural leg length compared to other guys that lengthens around 20% procent of their leg legth.
Is it possible for me to tibias? Or not because of i do 5-6cm on them, they Will be longer than my femurs, and if i do femur, Will they get to Long compared to my tibia?
I State again, I Know im tall and that im blessed compared to mayority of men so I Hope no one gets offended by this. But i feel like i need this extra 5 cm because of what i do for a living.
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nothing wrong with doing LL, 6foot6>6foot3
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It's hard to get offended It's more like confused, why would a tall athlete want a surgery that can risk even normal movement? What is the height of the other male athletes in your field? Taller than you?
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If your occupation is dependent on your physical prowess, then I recommend staying away from limb lengthening entirely. Statistics mean nothing if you end up being one that gets a complication like your bone not creating any regenerate and requiring a bone graft to correct, or getting a deep bone infection or embolism. What if your measurements are wrong and the surgeon gives you unequal leg lengths? Even if you are complication free, it will still require months of recovery and it will be impossible to perform physically demanding tasks at that time. How much time can you even take off work?
A taller starting height can mean that you can lengthen longer before hitting complications but that Isn't always true. If your muscles are naturally tight you can get equinus even before a guy at 5'4 who is more flexible, for example.
Look at what there is to gain by you lengthening your legs and compare it with what there is to lose if you get a bad outcome.
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nothing wrong with doing LL, 6foot6>6foot3
Thanks, would you reccommend tibia or femur, takin Into cosideration thwir differens height.
AND AFTER a 5-6 cm their proportions will differ much
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If your occupation is dependent on your physical prowess, then I recommend staying away from limb lengthening entirely. Statistics mean nothing if you end up being one that gets a complication like your bone not creating any regenerate and requiring a bone graft to correct, or getting a deep bone infection or embolism. What if your measurements are wrong and the surgeon gives you unequal leg lengths? Even if you are complication free, it will still require months of recovery and it will be impossible to perform physically demanding tasks at that time. How much time can you even take off work?
A taller starting height can mean that you can lengthen longer before hitting complications but that Isn't always true. If your muscles are naturally tight you can get equinus even before a guy at 5'4 who is more flexible, for example.
Look at what there is to gain by you lengthening your legs and compare it with what there is to lose if you get a bad outcome.
You are absoulutely right, ,but i can Change my careeer whenever i want, and i can take a year of fro,, ,y job
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It's hard to get offended It's more like confused, why would a tall athlete want a surgery that can risk even normal movement? What is the height of the other male athletes in your field? Taller than you?
They are biggee with around 12 cm standing 202cm
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I can relate. I'm 200CM and want to get to 206CM. I don't know how I'll be able to live with myself otherwise. When I encounter a taller person, I instantly know that I can't be the leader in the group anymore, and that I have the crappier genes. It really sucks. If my girlfriend wears 8 inch heels, I won't be manly anymore; really depressing stuff as I'm sure you understand well. I'm sure that if I were only a few centimeters taller, with all my other qualities the same, I'd have a few Nobel prizes to my name, I'd probably have won the lottery by now, my tiny penis would look so much bigger, my beer belly would look much smaller, I'd look so much more badass in a suit, and would be friends with all the rappers and advertising agencies that idolize height. But alas, we were born into these crappy lives.
I'm just kidding around, of course. I'm 5'10/178CM myself and I actually do feel crazy for being interested in/wanting leg lengtheng, since I obviously don't need it to be successful in life at my height. But dissatisfaction with my height has been in the back of my mind for years, and I'm sick of that, so I'm at least going to seriously look at LL. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter why one wants LL. We are not here to judge, but instead to give quality information and support to those interested in and currently going through LL to increase their heights.
So welcome to the forum! What questions do you have that aren't already answered in our numerous and comprehensive threads?
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Hi! I am New on this forum but have read alot about limb lenthening. I hope not to offend anyone on this forum by this post. But I Too have the right to use thé Tools to get thé height i want.
I Am 24 years old standing 6'3(190cm), im thinking about lengthening 5-6cm.
My proportions are Good for my height my wingspan is, 198cm. My LEGS from thé floor up to under my penis is 94cm. I have also measured my tibia Bone and femur Bone best as i could.
Tibia Bone from my upper wrist to thé bottom of my knee Cap is around 44 cm. When measurin from floor to upper knee Cap it is around 54 cm.
MY FEMUR Bone from where thé leg connects with the hip down to knee Cap is around 50cm.
And i wonder fRom more experienced leg lengthers if i should do my tibia or femurs. I am a very athletic and active individuaö and i wish to recover as much as possible and as Quick as possible. As i use my body for a living
I also wonder since my LEGS are taller than "normal" leg lengthener Will i have a lower risk of facing Long term complications or problems since i lengthen around 13% procent of natural leg length compared to other guys that lengthens around 20% procent of their leg legth.
Is it possible for me to tibias? Or not because of i do 5-6cm on them, they Will be longer than my femurs, and if i do femur, Will they get to Long compared to my tibia?
I State again, I Know im tall and that im blessed compared to mayority of men so I Hope no one gets offended by this. But i feel like i need this extra 5 cm because of what i do for a living.
Kevin11, I am just wondering why you feel like you should go down the LL road? I know everyone has a different reason/motivation for considering this, but at 6 3" you are already taller than 95-97% of men, and are a fantastic height for having a huge potential dating pool and for almost any athletic endeavor.
I'm not trying to judge you, but even at 5 9" - 5 10", I judge myself sometimes for my extreme obsession with height and for being on this forum in the first place.
I have heard that most LL surgeons won't even consider operating on someone who is 5 9" and up.
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what do you do for a living? modelling? for modelling 190 cm is tall enough. even for basketball :o (though you will be one of the shorter ones) but height isn't that important
do you need to jump? if you need to jump. doing tibia is better.
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I can relate. I'm 200CM and want to get to 206CM. I don't know how I'll be able to live with myself otherwise. When I encounter a taller person, I instantly know that I can't be the leader in the group anymore, and that I have the crappier genes. It really sucks. If my girlfriend wears 8 inch heels, I won't be manly anymore; really depressing stuff as I'm sure you understand well. I'm sure that if I were only a few centimeters taller, with all my other qualities the same, I'd have a few Nobel prizes to my name, I'd probably have won the lottery by now, my tiny penis would look so much bigger, my beer belly would look much smaller, I'd look so much more badass in a suit, and would be friends with all the rappers and advertising agencies that idolize height. But alas, we were born into these crappy lives.
I'm just kidding around, of course. I'm 5'10/178CM myself and I actually do feel crazy for being interested in/wanting leg lengtheng, since I obviously don't need it to be successful in life at my height. But dissatisfaction with my height has been in the back of my mind for years, and I'm sick of that, so I'm at least going to seriously look at LL. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter why one wants LL. We are not here to judge, but instead to give quality information and support to those interested in and currently going through LL to increase their heights.
So welcome to the forum! What questions do you have that aren't already answered in our numerous and comprehensive threads?
Thank you Sir I Appreciate it. I basically wonder what would be best for me to do, since my tibia and femur are almost equally Long, i know People have different opinions but it get a feeling like its better do to tibia if u want to be able to be as athletic as possible when u recover. But then Will it cause a problem or look weird if my tibia Bone is longer than my fwmur? Is it maybe better to do femur, but then Will thé height difference between femur and tibia be too Long and i Will look weird?
I also wonderd since my Bones are larger and longer than thé avrrage LL Will my recovery be better and will there be a lower risk at facing Long term problems since i Only lengthen around 13% of my Bone?
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Kevin11, I am just wondering why you feel like you should go down the LL road? I know everyone has a different reason/motivation for considering this, but at 6 3" you are already taller than 95-97% of men, and are a fantastic height for having a huge potential dating pool and for almost any athletic endeavor.
I'm not trying to judge you, but even at 5 9" - 5 10", I judge myself sometimes for my extreme obsession with height and for being on this forum in the first place.
I have heard that most LL surgeons won't even consider operating on someone who is 5 9" and up.
I understand, actually it has nothing to do wirh female i get females whenever i want and im allmost getting tired of them. Im in a buisness where intimidation factor is key. And i know that these 5-6 cm Will do thé biggest difference in thé world.
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what do you do for a living? modelling? for modelling 190 cm is tall enough. even for basketball :o (though you will be one of the shorter ones) but height isn't that important
do you need to jump? if you need to jump. doing tibia is better.
No i dont jump, im actually a boxer/fighter. (not so much kicking) .Would you still say tibia is better then?
Since 5-6 cm Only is around 13% of my leg Will i recover faster, and have a lesser risk of facing Long term problems?
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Yeah, bro! You'll have much easier time doing LL with longer bones, as your soft tissues are longer and should be easier to stretch and adapt to the new length. I wouldn't recommend lengthening tibias alone, though, as that will affect your lower leg proportions, the same with femurs. If I were you, I'd do 6 cm tibias and then 6 cm in femurs - that way you could reach a solid number of 200 cm, which will then be (hopefully) enough to compensate for your 2" penis.
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Yeah, bro! You'll have much easier time doing LL with longer bones, as your soft tissues are longer and should be easier to stretch and adapt to the new length. I wouldn't recommend lengthening tibias alone, though, as that will affect your lower leg proportions, the same with femurs. If I were you, I'd do 6 cm tibias and then 6 cm in femurs - that way you could reach a solid number of 200 cm, which will then be (hopefully) enough to compensate for your 2" penis.
Aren't we all trying to compensate for something? I'd rather be Kevin11 at 6 3" with a 5 incher (i don't know what his dck size is, just saying), than my current 5 9" with my 7 inch dck
Ok, this is getting really gay really fast
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I am 6'0 so now I m not the tallest anymore.
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Aren't we all trying to compensate for something? I'd rather be Kevin11 at 6 3" with a 5 incher (i don't know what his dck size is, just saying), than my current 5 9" with my 7 inch dck
Ok, this is getting really gay really fast
The grass is always greener on the other side, my friend. I'm sure Kevin11 would disagree with you.
And we aren't compensating for the most part - that is, trying to fix one problem by excelling at something else. Now it's only logical to assume someone who's 6'3 tall, which is 95th+ percentile in most countries, is trying to overcompensate at his height, to overshadow his actual weaknesses. That's not a healthy thing to do, now especially with LL, I don't think so.
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My dck is 8 inches so it has nothing to do with that. If you arent helpfull please dont even write.
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Yeah, bro! You'll have much easier time doing LL with longer bones, as your soft tissues are longer and should be easier to stretch and adapt to the new length. I wouldn't recommend lengthening tibias alone, though, as that will affect your lower leg proportions, the same with femurs. If I were you, I'd do 6 cm tibias and then 6 cm in femurs - that way you could reach a solid number of 200 cm, which will then be (hopefully) enough to compensate for your 2" penis.
Im not doing both. If i were to choose one of them what should i choose? I wanna be athletic and be able to still keep boxing / fighting. THÉ Visual is less important what would do less Hard to my body, femur or tibia? AND how would longer tibia affect me contra longee femur?
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I am 6'0 so now I m not the tallest anymore.
Now I'm going to ask you Endo (just curious), what's your motivation? 6' is the perfect height IMO
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My dck is 8 inches so it has nothing to do with that. If you arent helpfull please dont even write.
Well how is that? Just 8 inches? Don't you think you'd be better off lengthening your penis to 10"? Or is that something you have planned after getting to 7'? Surely that would look more proportional.
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LOL kevin what a loser
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LOL kevin what a loser
Loser? This guy is a God among men. 8 inch dck and 6' 3" fighter
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Just read through the forum man, check out a few diaries and you'll get a general idea of how it works. If you're a basketball player, or any kind of professional athlete really, then I don't recommend the surgery because you won't be as agile as you were before.
You might have an easier time lenghtening than someone shorter and your proportions should be able to handle 5-6CM lenghtening -most likely anyways.
Would advice against it overall, personally wish I didn't feel the need to do leg lenghtening and I would never consider it if I were 185CM or taller.
PS. 190-195 is the ideal height outside the basketball court, you're lucky mate.
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Now I'm going to ask you Endo (just curious), what's your motivation? 6' is the perfect height IMO
Because I feel so fking short, and the taller you are, the more imposing you look
and The feeling of being tall is so delicious, you feel invincible
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Wow, you're a little bitch. Id knock off 20 years off my lifespan to be 190 cm, and here you are wanting to break your fking legs to be 6'6. Geese, now I've seen everything.
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I cant tell if the OP is serious or not but lets assume that he is.
6ft 3 is too short for him and he needs 6ft 5.
Height anxiety can affect all walks of life. From the guy 5ft tall to some guy who is 6ft 3
If he cant live with being 6ft 3 , then who are we to judge him. I would advise him to get counselling first as his height is actually taller than most would aspire to be.
However, if he is adamant about it, then lets stand behind his decision. After all , its all about self improvement and that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
:)
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Because I feel so fking short, and the taller you are, the more imposing you look
and The feeling of being tall is so delicious, you feel invincible
Well, answer me this... who do you think gets more ass... the 6' 5" bouncer at a club, or the 6' dude with swag who's walking in?
More height = more imposing? Yes. But you don't have to be a giant to have maximum potential with women.
Depends on your goals I guess. I personally am not trying to gain height to feel superior to others. I think it's a terrible narcissistic personality trait if someone wants to to feel better about themself by elevating themself above others and looking down on others. I simply don't want to feel inferior.
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If OP is srs, I'm going to stab someone.
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If OP is srs, I'm going to stab someone.
mad?
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mad?
Um, yeah I'm mad. I'm projected to be 6'3 when I'm younger, I stop growing in 7th grade, I become literally the only dude I know in real life to never have a growth spurt, then OP says 6'3 isn't good enough. Meanwhile, I'm 169 cm tall--up from 167 cm in 7th grade--with closed growth plates.
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mad?
Or jealous? I've seen Readrothbard post mockups of himself as tall as 6'6, so clearly he would like to be that height as well. And 6'3 used to be his LL target before he realized it was too dangerous to lengthen that much. Given the stunted growth, though, the anger makes sense. I am 5'10, so I could theoretically go to to 6'4 or even 6'5 (193-195CM) if I wanted to, but 6'2 188CM is my dream height, and I may even stop at 6'1 (185CM), which is plenty good, and perhaps even better than 6'2. Heck, I don't even need LL at my current height of 178 CM as I've said many times.
I too was predicted to be around 6'2-6'3 because I was really tall for my age before puberty, always in the 95th percentile more or less. But when puberty came around, I just grew much more slowly than a lot of the other guys. Oh well. Being angry about it isn't going to help the situation. Keep in mind that life and nature don't owe us anything. If we are unhappy then it's up to us to do something about it, either via LL or just being grateful for the many things we have and accepting our heights. Both combined are a good approach too.
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If OP is srs, I'm going to stab someone.
Just don't stab short bros. Make sure they're at least 6'3 tall.
(How did you get Veteran member status?)
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I honestly want to be like 6'7 (6'6 mockup was to prove a point about torso length ranges), but, yeah, I guess you could say I'm jealous about the height factor. I like everything else about myself, except my height, so I am jealous about that. 6'0 is basically the minimum height I'd accept without shooting myself.
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Just don't stab short bros. Make sure they're at least 6'3 tall.
(How did you get Veteran member status?)
Lol, nah, I'm just pissed. Sometimes I just want to beat my fists against a wall until my knuckles are broken when I think about my height.
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I honestly want to be like 6'7 (6'6 mockup was to prove a point about torso length ranges), but, yeah, I guess you could say I'm jealous about the height factor. I like everything else about myself, except my height, so I am jealous about that. 6'0 is basically the minimum height I'd accept without shooting myself.
Haha I'm a bit (meaning considerably) jealous too. But hey, we got lucky with everything else besides height, and being six foot sure ain't everything, although it has plenty of perks. We should have no problem being confident and happy in the meantime since we got everything else except for height. My point is that LL will be nice, assuming it goes well, but that doesn't mean we can't live amazing and fulfilling lives before getting LL. I am living so good of a life right now that I question if LL is even worth it for me, even though dissatisfaction with my height is always in the back of my mind. I'll keep saving for it and make a definite decision once I've got the money and time to go for it.
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Taller why do you say you could lenghten to 193-5CM?
I'm as tall as you and I want to lenghten 6CM in my femurs, I almost think that's a stretch actually since a lot of doctors state that 5CM should be the limit.
Also, I can't speak for you but my legs start to look really long after a 7-8CM increase, and my arms start to look quite short after I've added 9-10CM. If I lenghtened 10CM I would look strange in thick boots I think.
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Haha I'm a bit (meaning considerably) jealous too. But hey, we got lucky with everything else besides height, and being six foot sure ain't everything, although it has plenty of perks. We should have no problem being confident and happy in the meantime since we got everything else except for height. My point is that LL will be nice, assuming it goes well, but that doesn't mean we can't live amazing and fulfilling lives before getting LL. I am living so good of a life right now that I question if LL is even worth it for me, even though dissatisfaction with my height is always in the back of my mind. I'll keep saving for it and make a definite decision once I've got the money and time to go for it.
For me, every day I'm not doing ll is a waste of time. My life doesn't begin until I'm 6'0.
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It's almost like on this forum anything sub-6'0 is midget status necessitating suicide.
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It's almost like on this forum anything sub-6'0 is midget status necessitating suicide.
Mate some people talk like that but I think most of us just recognize that we would be happier if we did it, all things considered and for whatever reason.
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This is dumb.
It's not the OP's height that I have a problem with, It's the fact that he is wasting everyone's time. I guarantee he will never do LL, I would bet my eyes on it - I am 100% sure. But look at the recent posts on this forum its all on this thread rather then something useful.
Just ignore him, if he wants LL he will do what everyone else does and read around the forums, read the diaries maybe ask a few specific questions but he doesn't need to have a big thread devoted to him, we should all forget about his height and move on from this thread.
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It's almost like on this forum anything sub-6'0 is midget status necessitating suicide.
everytime I see bull pushed to extreme from internet, I go outside, don't let myself get distracted by internet,tv and all I see is nothing that corresponds to what I "learn" from internet.
That's the problem, too much intellectual bitching.
Don't get mad, u shouldn't, take away internet from a shallow person and in a couple of days you'll see a drastic change in their mentality
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Well, answer me this... who do you think gets more ass... the 6' 5" bouncer at a club, or the 6' dude with swag who's walking in?
More height = more imposing? Yes. But you don't have to be a giant to have maximum potential with women.
Depends on your goals I guess. I personally am not trying to gain height to feel superior to others. I think it's a terrible narcissistic personality trait if someone wants to to feel better about themself by elevating themself above others and looking down on others. I simply don't want to feel inferior.
The 6 footer obviously but
I am not saying I would like to be 195 cm, imo 185-190 cm is the best height btw, so you re right you don t need to be a giant to blend in the crowd and be imposing
I Didn't really answer your question, so I will, more precisely this time:I am currently studying in an engineering school in France, where most students are white (and young) so the average is above the national average.
I was in Disneyland last year, as usual I was sizing up people, comparing my height, especially in queue
There were many tourists, from everywhere in Europe but especially from Spain,Germany, Scandinavia, Belgium, Switzerland, and uk.This day I just realised that 6'0 was barely above average In europe.
I saw atleast 15000 people, so it gave me a rough idea of how tall the average european man is.
I also made the same experience when I visited Venice 5 years ago there were more tourists than Italians
so no you dont need to be 195-200 cm, but if you don't want to feel short or slightly below average (as I do), sometimes, you have to be 185 cm, you will blend in the crowd, you will feel very solid.
but If you can satisfy yourself with being 5'10 or a bit under (the national average in UK and US) that's fine for you.
sorry if I made mistakes, I m on my phone and English is mot my Maternal language
Ps :I don t envy op , some of you are just pathetic, if you re jealous of this guy, you will never be happy and satisfied with the height you achieve
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Taller why do you say you could lenghten to 193-5CM?
I'm as tall as you and I want to lenghten 6CM in my femurs, I almost think that's a stretch actually since a lot of doctors state that 5CM should be the limit.
Also, I can't speak for you but my legs start to look really long after a 7-8CM increase, and my arms start to look quite short after I've added 9-10CM. If I lenghtened 10CM I would look strange in thick boots I think.
I say so because I've made mockups in which I don't look obviously disproportionate at 192CM. If I did arm lengthening, I'm sure I'd be fine, proportionally. I don't care how I look in the thickest of boots after LL. I wear converse-type shoes and thin boots most of the time anyways, and if I look a little disproportionate the few times I have to wear super thick boots, I doubt anyone would take enough time out of their busy lives to carefully scritinize my proportions and notice. If people did somehow notice legs being a little too long for height, how much do you actually expect them to care? Proportions vary a lot naturally anyways, as you can see here:
(http://pegmulqueen.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/blocksbackbends.jpg)
(http://pegmulqueen.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/jenpegproportions.jpg)
For example, I am your height, am probably pretty close to your age, and yet my arm span is 185 or 186 CM while yours is 175CM. Your sitting height might be a little more than mine of 96CM, who knows, and who really cares that much, as long as it falls into the natural range for your new height? One guy who lives next to me is 188CM tall, has a lower sitting height than mine, has the same arm length as me, but has much longer femurs. I got him to throughly compare proportions with me. I could post a photo of you want. Meanwhile, my father has much longer arms at 188CM. Neither of them look disproportionate in any kind of footwear. I used to care a ton about proportions, as you do now, but the more people I compare myself to, the less I care, because there is so much variation out there. You even stated that your 190+CM uncle has almost the same sitting height as you. I have 193CM uncles with much, much higher sitting heights and wingspans than me. There is so much variety in nature.
My point was that, because of my high starting height, I could theoretically exceed 190CM through LL, and yet I have no desire to. I just want to get to a point at which I can be proud of my height and not feel short among my male family members who are 188CM plus. I could live a good and happy life without LL, but height insecurities would perpetually be in the back of my mind. I have to decide if the risks are worth it, but in recent months I've proven to myself that I can still be quite successful and happy at my current height.
I agree that lengthening too much is a terrible idea. Ideally, I'd do 4CM on the tibae and 5CM on the femurs, but given that LL is so hard, I'd be happy with 7CM on the femurs as well, which isn't far from your goal of 6.5CM. Hypothetically, if I did 6.5 femurs and 6 tibiae, both safe lengths, I'd easily be 190 barefoot, but again I don't care that much about the numbers and won't pass 190.
I own Bugarri Lorenzo elevator shoes that I sometimes wear to clubs and bars for fun. They add 12CM, making me 190. I look fine and got lots of positive attention in them, deposits the fact that my arms appear a bit short at that height. In the real world, few people care, and the benefits of the height far outweigh the harms of slight disproportion.
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My point was that, because of my high starting height, I could theoretically exceed 190CM through LL
Theoretically, and I've made this point already, someone who is shorter has more LL potential for the simple reason of having higher SH/H ratio. As SH/H directly correlates with height negatively. However, that is just a rule of thumb. Obviously, there are exceptions and you can find someone short with a low SH/H ratio and someone tall with a high SH/H ratio. But statistically, my point stands correct.
http://adc.bmj.com/content/90/8/807.full#ref-14
It is generally known that tall children have relatively long legs and vice versa.4,5 Therefore, we conjecture that the interpretation of SH/H ratio should not only be based on age references, but also on height
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I agree with you, Exilde. I could never lengthen as much as you are, but I think I could do about 8CM total and still look pretty proportional. That's all I want anyways, so it's all good.
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Theoretically, and I've made this point already, someone who is shorter has more LL potential for the simple reason of having higher SH/H ratio. As SH/H directly correlates with height negatively. However, that is just a rule of thumb. Obviously, there are exceptions and you can find someone short with a low SH/H ratio and someone tall with a high SH/H ratio. But statistically, my point stands correct.
http://adc.bmj.com/content/90/8/807.full#ref-14
That is true, but only if the shorter person also has a positive ape index to go along with the higher SH/H. My limiting factor is my low ape index of 1.01 (70.0" wingspan 69.2" height).
The only fighters I found with negative ape indexes are Rocky Marciano (-3 inch) and max holloway (-1 inch).
I highly doubt someone would notice a -1 inch ape index, but more than that is pushing it
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That is true, but only if the shorter person also has a positive ape index to go along with the higher SH/H. My limiting factor is my low ape index of 1.01 (70.0" wingspan 69.2" height).
The only fighters I found with negative ape indexes are Rocky Marciano (-3 inch) and max holloway (-1 inch).
I highly doubt someone would notice a -1 inch ape index, but more than that is pushing it
You can lengthen your arms, but you can't lengthen your spine. So I consider arm span a soft limiting factor. And you shouldn't be looking for negative ape indexes in boxers, as they directly benefit from higher arm span (higher reach). Arm span shorter than height isn't that unusual:
less than height in 74 (11.7%)
http://www.ijpp.com/IJPP%20archives/2000_44_3/329-334.pdf
You can see on the graph that out of 400 participants there are enough people who have wingspans lower than height by 10 cm.
(http://i.imgur.com/KnGBeDum.jpg?1)
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Exclide,thanks for the picture. It is useful. Unfortnately, only 5 out of 400 people (1.25%, more than 3 standard deviations, hence it is not normal) have wingspan about 10 cm shorter. This means it does exist in nature, but it is probably off-looking or odd. Not genetically favoured ratio.
Look at the lines which I drew (wingspans < height by ~10cm):
(http://i61.tinypic.com/rsr77p.jpg)
The rest of the members here who have been rude, I think it is not necessitated. I don't know why but the users of these forums are very very rude and negative. Could it be due to the shorter stature? Is it that bad?
I will be 6 feet after my surgery, and I do not see why I have to be angry/jealous that someone who is 190 cm wanna lengthen to 195-6 cm. It is his life, not my life. Further, as far as I am concerned, in most parts of the world, 6 feet is above average. A fortiori, in my country Singapore and developed Asian nations like Korea and Taiwan I am considered very tall or pretty tall. I do not forsee myself doing international work, so I think I am pretty content.
I think each individual has his goal and target,and (again) this thread is going off-topic. The moderators should take a stand as to how the forums are moderated. Most posts would be deleted in old forums (that I know of). It is upsetting to see this community degrade into such negativity. Even the doctor was scared off.
Back to the topic, I think that either femur or tibia would do well. In retrospect, I would have done femur because I think the femur can tolerate greater lengths. At 5 cm, it is pretty OK. Do your research. I think some members are pretty right that you might not go forward with your surgery (in fact, I do not know of anyone who is above 178 and has done LL surgery).
I also do not think there needs to be a separate thread to address the issue of height 190 cm. I think the threadstarter is well aware it is (already) n the top 5th percentile of height in America. (beyond three standard deviations, ie, not normal height).
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You will ruin your life of you do it.
You are just imagining that you lack height bc you have low self esteem.
If you want to be a bouncer or even a body guard for "Säpo" you need to do physical test where you need to carry heavy weight for a long run and jump over a bar and then kneel to get under it. I've done the tests and there is no way in hell you can do such things post LL. It's just not possible. Nobody can.
I could never be a body guard at 173cm but you can at your current height. Don't ruin your life bc of a few cm.
You can forget about running. Sure you can jog after like 2 years but it's nowhere near what you need to be able to in that kind of work.
If you're doing it anyway. Do it without a rod in your tibias. It will bust up your knees real bad and you'll have days you really wish you didn't do it. You more than anyone else in here, that's for sure.
The tendon still needs to lengthen 5-6cm so it's just as difficult for you as it is for anyone else. Since you already have long limbs you will look ridiculous with even longer ones.
You measured your tibias and femurs wrong. Your femurs are longer, no question about it.
Don't do it! You'll ruin your life in a way I can't explain it.
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It's almost like on this forum anything sub-6'0 is midget status necessitating suicide.
I know. It's sick. I honestly think this guy is just trolling us. And if not...LL is not going to solve his mental issues. If you're having height issues at 6'2/6'3"...man, I don't know what to say.
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This is crazy, bro. Why in hell would you get LL when you are 190? I really believe this guy has mental issues. LL wouldn't do anything good for him.
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And yet the average height of people in this forum keeps increasing :D :D I expect to see people who are 1m95 or even 2 meters come here to complaint how they always feel short around their abnormal giants friends/relatives in a near future ;D ;D
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Dont scare them away..Encourage them to do it damit. I want to seem them fail.
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Since you already have long limbs you will look ridiculous with even longer ones.
I'm going to have to disagree. Notice the guy third from the left's knee height and compare it to those around him.
(http://i.imgur.com/4m4gCcg.jpg)
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I'm going to have to disagree. Notice the guy third from the left's knee height and compare it to those around him.
(http://i.imgur.com/4m4gCcg.jpg)
and ur point is?
anway tibia length (for some ethnicity like whites) is co-related with height very well. for others, it is femur length
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I say so because I've made mockups in which I don't look obviously disproportionate at 192CM...
You're a luckier man than me, I'm pretty sure I couldn't add more than 8CM and even that is stretching it.
Proportions might vary but when all is said and done the only ting that matters is how you look. I also used to play the numbers game and compare my limb lenght to others but the truth is that some people can pull it off while others can't. After about 8CM my legs dominate how I look while my torso looks like an afterthought put on top.
Might be pickier than you about this sort of stuff though.
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Lots of guys in here are mad at you OP cus they dont want to believe that 6foot3 isnt super imposing, breaking their delusions of being moderately imposing at 6foot-6foot2 after LL.
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Lots of guys in here are mad at you OP cus they dont want to believe that 6foot3 isnt super imposing, breaking their delusions of being moderately imposing at 6foot-6foot2 after LL.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
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true statement number 1)
psychological projection can only be valid when people disbelieve facts.
question with no intention to take a side 1)
are there facts that dictate that the great majority of women dream of a 6"5.5 man over a 6"3 man.
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disclaimer: I don't know the answer to my question, I don't care to know the answer to my question, I don't want to debate the answer to my question, it is a question for other people to ponder and if they should choose to take a side then they can go look for the information and come to their own decision and post the relevant information to debate it amongst themselves.
good luck, and who knows what the answer could be. :)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
im not projecting, i believe 6foot3 isn't super imposing and 6foot-6foot2 isn't moderately imposing, not denying it by saying others are.
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Lots of guys in here are mad at you OP cus they dont want to believe that 6foot3 isnt super imposing, breaking their delusions of being moderately imposing at 6foot-6foot2 after LL.
6'3 isn't really going to be much more imposing than 6'0--and almost not more imposing than 6'2 (it's only one inch, after all). Plus, being imposing has very little to do with height; maybe suckers are imposed by height, but unless someone has a reason for me to believe they should be intimidating or imposing, I could care less how tall they are.
For example, who do you consider more imposing: Ed Coan at 5'6 or Snoop Dogg at 6'4? Better yet, Mariusz Pudzianowski at about 6'1 or Conan O'Brian at 6'4-6'5?
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are there facts that dictate that the great majority of women dream of a 6"5.5 man over a 6"3 man.
That's a pretty wild assertion. I hope you have some serious evidence to back that up.
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Well, the problem is that I wouldn't want to be 190 cm, so I'm not affected. I asked many guys and girls. the general consensus is that anything above around 183 cm is too tall (my country average is 172 cm). So that is 11 cm above average being "too tall").
It stands to reason that in America, If the average height is 176 cm, then "too tall" is 187 cm. But if girls are taller in America, then "too tall" might well be pushed upwards to 190 cm+.
All this is said without having stepped into America (I don't know how common or uncommon is 187 cm but statistics show that it is very very uncommon, probably 3rd percentile or less)
I don't actually care what women think. I don't know why everyone here is so concerned with what a woman thinks is more attractive. But if you think that height of 195 cm is more attractive to a woman than 190 cm then I would say it should be very certainly, wrong. I think at 190 cm.which might already be too tall, other traits are more important.
Studies have shown that when Desirable Feature X is taken to extremes. it becomes less attractive. One example that has been proven is big-eyed women. The larger a woman's eyes, the more attractive she is, to men. Until a certain point. I say that the same thing occurs for Height, and Weight. there is "too skinny" just as there is "too tall" and all these are determined by percentiles and averages. There might even be "too smart"; ie someone so intellectually developed he becomes a social misfit.
If I play basketball professionally (which I don't), I might do 195 cm. Even then there are many 1.8+ basketballers or 1.9 m ones, like Steve Nash, Jeremy Lin, etc. The list goes on. Who is to say that a 1.9+ basketballer is lousier or worse off than someone who is 2 metres? It all boils down to skill, really, once you can jump that high or dunk that ball.
But since I play basketball perhaps semi-professionally or lower levels? I will not do 195 cm. I do not want my life to be jeopardised by a height acceptable in the basketball court but not acceptable outside.
183 cm fits me well, both inside and outside of the court.Where I live, that is, so I suggest that a height of 187cm probably fits everyone in America.
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That's a pretty wild assertion. I hope you have some serious evidence to back that up.
That is NOT an assertion. It is a question. And I suggest that women would prefer someone 6'3 vs 6'5. But still, it is the OP's choice. Maybe he doesn't care what women want?
I would even assert that, even if he does not care what women want, being too tall (at a point) becomes so over-dominating that as a boss I might not employ someone who is in my eyes, too tall. As he might well usurp or dominate me. That's just personal. WHat do you guys think?
I have male friends who also assert that they prefer buddies slighty taller, their height, or shorter. Not too much taller!
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That is NOT an assertion. It is a question. And I suggest that women would prefer someone 6'3 vs 6'5. But still, it is the OP's choice. Maybe he doesn't care what women want?
I would even assert that, even if he does not care what women want, being too tall (at a point) becomes so over-dominating that as a boss I might not employ someone who is in my eyes, too tall. As he might well usurp or dominate me. That's just personal. WHat do you guys think?
I have male friends who also assert that they prefer buddies slighty taller, their height, or shorter. Not too much taller!
Sorry, I read his comment again and now I see it was a question. I didn't see a question mark, so I got confused.
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OP, thanks for the PM. I thought it would be better to give my opinion in the open thread. Hope you don't mind.
We know that 'short stature' dysphoria should probably rather be called 'height dysphoria' because it is a condition that can occur in an individual of any height. It may seem bizarre for the majority of people that someone of your stature might want to be even taller, but this is an argument about where to draw the line in an already controversial topic. I do not think it is anyone's place to take a moral high ground and decide who is entitled to have height dysphoria.
My second comment is that, having said the above, I would strongly discourage you from considering the surgery. Two main reasons: 1) You are making a living using your athleticism and body. There is definitely a high risk of compromising this with any big surgery. This includes CLL surgery. 2) The only doctors that may take you on as a CLL patient at that height would probably not be ones that can guarantee you a favourable outcome. Remember that surgery is always about a risk-benefit ratio. Your scale is tipped very far in the direction of potential risk for very little real benefit.
Theoretically, against this background, I would hypothetically advise femoral lengthening over tibial. Two reasons. First your femur to tibia ratio is 1:1 and can be pushed closed to 'normal' by lengthening the femurs. Secondly, IM femoral lengthening probably would have the lowest risk profile of the techniques in your case.
For a fighting type of activity, whether boxing, wrestling, kickboxing, mixed martial arts, tkd, karate etc, intimidation and stature plays an important role in controlling the encounter. As a martial artist myself, I understand this. Please also understand that no amount of intimidation will make up for a loss of 5-10% of physical ability, which is quite likely with CLL. My advice: focus on presence of mind ('zanshin') and that will be much more valuable in your bouts.
Good luck with the decision.
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Thank you. TBH 6'3 inst tall im npt feeling tall. No one of my 6'2-63 friends feel tall. Iam relatively tall but never imposing. You start to be imposing at 6'4-6'5
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You are right there, i couldnt Care less what women wants. I can get every Girl i want and i have gotten any Girl i want. Macin in thé club seeing them outside on thé streets Most of the time they even aproach me.
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Thank you so much for your answer DR. I Will strongly rethink this and see if its really worth it.
But theriotechnially speaking would a 5cm lengthening on my femur recover faster due to my longer Bones and affect me less if operation done well in thé Long run? I have very stretched and flexibel muscles and alot of leg mass. I am 105 kg shredded mucsle.
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I am 105 kg shredded mucsle.
190 cm tall with an 8 incher and also 105 kg shredded (!) muscle. Hello there, misc bb.com.
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Why do you put accent on "e" op , that's a bit disturbing
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Why do you put accent on "e" op , that's a bit disturbing
He's either foreign, doing it on purpose or his spellchecker is doing that for him.