Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Height & Proportions => Topic started by: ItsMyLife on March 01, 2015, 10:56:49 AM
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(Yes I know, I've all along theorised that ideal height is probably about 186 cm in UK/USA but I AM WRONG. Here is the data. But I am right that: taller is not always better. there is a ceiling-effect.)
I copy and paste here, so that guys who reach 6 feet will not feel short-changed compared to guys who want to lengthen to taller heights. For those who are already 6 feet, get a reality check ;) If you do this for girls, you are dead wrong.
http://www.heightdb.com/blog/ideal-male-height
ideal male height is 6'1. look at the peak. (so in my country it should be about 6 feet)
Further confirmation that 6'1 and above are probably too tall:
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/60-is-the-ideal-male-height.453495411/
Based on dating pools
Second, in UK, 5'11 is ideal (2014)
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/07/11/ideal-height-56-woman-511-man/
The survey also finds that for the average British man, a partner becomes too short at 4'11” and too tall at 6'.
Third, Dailymail (UK):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2126093/Womens-idea-perfect-man-A-6ft--48k-year--beer-drinking-meat-eater-Audi.html
The ideal male will also be 6ft tall, have short dark hair and smart dress sense - similar to that of U.S. X Factor host Steve Jones.
Fourth, http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=156380333
In a study by Hensley (1994) women preferred a man who was 72 inches (183 cm) (6ft) tall as a benchmark. The preference for the six foot tall man is overwhelming, says Hensley. In his study, consisting of 145 females, 32 percent reported this as their preferred height
Interestingly, there seems to be a “ceiling effect” where tall males (over 6 feet) suffer a decrease in fitness. That is, women tend to find extremely tall men less attractive. This has been noted by several researchers. Women tend to prefer men of a medium stature over really tall men or really short men. In a study by Graziano et. al. (1978) similar results showed that men of medium height (5’9″- 5’11″) were rated as more attractive over shorter (5’5″- 5’7″) or taller men (6’2″- 6’4″), regardless of the height of the women (4’10″- 6’1″).
I didn't skew the search results. I just searched "ideal male height":https://www.google.com.sg/?gws_rd=ssl#q=ideal+male+height
Read yourself.
So what you gotta say to this ????
This is validation that:
1. There is a cut-off height that is too tall. Probably about 6 feet in Singapore and 1 inch or 2 inch greater in UK/USA/Europe (or as the study shows, it may in fact be 6' or 5'11)
2. The girl friends and guy friends ( gay, straight, bi ) I spoke to, are CORRECT
3. Musicmaker and Diso are not the odd ones out. Yes women think that 6' is probably too tall, or it is at least ON THE EDGE of being too tall.
4. The forum members here have a totally distorted view of facts.
5. Hollywood heights are there for a reason. If you notice, most are below 185 cm (and Hollywood celebrities are generally taller than average persons). Same goes for K-pop, C-Pop and Taiwanese Pop and J-Pop!
So multiple sources say the ideal is about 6 feet, and it might be lower in Singpaore... maybe 180cm. But as I said, I don't care about girls. I wanna feel tall, and I think I can do so at 6 feet in Singapore.
CASE CLOSED 8) (I won, hands down, slam dunk style)
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What about Latin America? Will it be ok to be 6'1+ there?
And btw I'm totally agree with you about that LL shouldnt be done just because of girls. Unless of course you are interested in volleyball or basketball girl players.
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Its been the perfect height for decades now, stop listening to people on the internet that are obsessed with perfect proportions aka as those who spend time on sluthate, it tends to push and find something more perfect each time, which is why we hear a 6'5 as perfect height, when in reality without all the crap theory from here 6'0-6'1 is the greatest balance
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Interesting hypothesis, yes a fascinating postulation indeed. Let's examine your case shall we?
"Here is the data" you claim, "but what are your sources?" I respond.
First off is "HeightDB" -an amateur blog for guessing the height of celebrities. They let random people vote, they didn't know anything about how representative the voters were, they didn't know which people voted and they presented their results without discussing their statistical approach. Do you honestly think people regard 6'3 as a great height but 6'4 (a 2,5CM difference) as horrible?
I think we can all agree, in conclusion, that "HeightDB's" survey should be thoght of as -let's say- unsatisfactory data.
Moving on with our jolly analysis we find a link to the "IGN" forums. "IGN" is a video game/media blog and their forum is mostly populated with silly teenagers, trolls and what would be refered to as "cheeky kunts" by a person familiar with the local norms of discourse. The actual source itself is a digital image featuring unsupported claims made in a sarcastic manner and decorated with various internet memes.
I hate to sound harsh, but I'm afraid this too is not a basis for any conclusion other than that the IGN forums lives up to its reputation of being a digital cesspool.
This is rather fun isn't it, now what's next?
We are now presented with a link to "YouGov" who made a survey that would fit right in at jolly good "HeightDB" except that they didn't ask voters what height they prefered in the opposite sex but rather how tall they themselves would like to be. As this upon closer dissection reveals itself to be inconsistent with previously stated issue (what height women prefer in men) it, unfortuantely, renders this source irreleveant.
Now for the real treat: the Daily. Fuking. Mail. The same brilliant editorial who gave Britain this shining examples of journalistic perspicacity:
"The chicken IN the egg: Amazing image in a frying pan" and this marvelous example of societal awarness: "Is there no one left in Britain who can make a sandwich?" and lest we forget: "I'm NOT Bungle, insist UKIP deputy leader after internet pranksters edit his wikipedia page to claim he starred in 70s children's TV show Raibow".
-This requires no further explanation.
And last but not least, just when we were beginning to wonder, there it is; a link to the infamous MISC bodybuilding forum -your academic argument is now complete. I cannot but concur with your flawless reasoning, your undivided passion for pertinent information and your brilliant, "out-of-the-box" multifaceted, nuanced and deep analysis to finally prove -beyond all doubt- that whatever you say: You've got the facts to back it up.
Much respect, and welcome to the nobel faculty, your colleague and admirer: Uppland.
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I agree with uppland, overall , people don't have any idea about height, and don't know how a legit 6 footer looks like.
So when they state :"6 feet is ideal" they just have no of how a legit 6 footer feels, I guess the say 6.0 just because it s a rounding number.
Realistically speaking, the perfect height is altleast 185 cm, I don't want to offend short people, or those who cannot reach 185 cm in one or two operation.But it doesn't mean you can't be satisfied with your height
peace
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that guy beating the dead horse............... that made my day, I can die happy now :)
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We are now presented with a link to "YouGov" who made a survey that would fit right in at jolly good "HeightDB" except that they didn't ask voters what height they prefered in the opposite sex but rather how tall they themselves would like to be. As this upon closer dissection reveals itself to be inconsistent with previously stated issue (what height women prefer in men) it, unfortuantely, renders this source irreleveant.
Hi Uppland, thanks for your comments. Anyway, re: YouGov, it was an opinion survey which asked women.
I quote:
On average, women say a romantic partner 5’3” or shorter is generally too short for comfort, while a partner 6’3” or taller is too tall, and the “ideal” height for a man is 5’11”. The survey also finds that for the average British man, a partner becomes too short at 4’11” and too tall at 6’. The ideal height for a woman, according to the average man, is 5’6”.
Notably, this excludes 10% of men who say there is no such thing as too short and 9% who say no height is too tall. Similarly, there is no "too short" for 4% of women and no "too tall" for 7%.
Re: Dailymail, I have read its articles and some articles were very well written. Either way, it is an opinion poll and this is what the ladies said.
Also, what do you have to say about the academic studies quoted at bodybuilding.com? Surely the academics can't be wrong as well? They asked women their ideal date, and it must have been a proper anthropologic evaluation.
So what do I say? We have opinion poll evidence from women and academic research (yes it was decades ago, but considering the data posted by endomorphisme, we see that the younger generation is at most 0.9 cm taller).
I am now very worried about the fact that when I reach 6 feet, it might be too tall for my country (as endomorphisme pointed out).
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I agree with uppland, overall , people don't have any idea about height, and don't know how a legit 6 footer looks like.
So when they state :"6 feet is ideal" they just have no of how a legit 6 footer feels, I guess the say 6.0 just because it s a rounding number.
Realistically speaking, the perfect height is altleast 185 cm, I don't want to offend short people, or those who cannot reach 185 cm in one or two operation.But it doesn't mean you can't be satisfied with your height
peace
Now, if you think that 6'2 is the ideal height (ie 187 cm) then that is totally wrong. Or 6'
3 or 6'5 as you posted. Post me a source which says that. Furthermore, the internet research I have done is to search for: Ideal male height. I did not skew the results by searching, "ideal male height six feet".
It was an objective research to find the ideal height in a male. And also what women think is the ideal height for a date.
I challenge you to search for ANYTHING :) that shows that ideal height is 6'2 or 6'5 yada yada. Maybe you only have mentally skewed people (guys) who say: ah, I wanna be 6'5" etc
HOWEVER, I can somehow agree with you about the ideal height in western countries is about 6'1 or 6'. it is very similar.
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What about Latin America? Will it be ok to be 6'1+ there?
And btw I'm totally agree with you about that LL shouldnt be done just because of girls. Unless of course you are interested in volleyball or basketball girl players.
I totally agree. the basketball girls tend to be slightly taller.
Anyway or how, if you wanna compare with your country, simply adjust with the average height. Eg, since the average height in my country is 172-174, compared to 176 in the USA, I should subtract 2-4 cm.
So, ideal height in my country is 183 - 2 = 181 CM or 183-4 cm = 179 CM.
IMHO, both will do fine. But perhaps six feet is fine too, because you see all the celebrities (even my country's) are about 1.80+- 1.82, 1.83. (It seems to be universal, Hollywood, KPop, CPop)
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Now lets look at more data:
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/362135/results
* I think you have to vote before you can see results
* I am always objective so I post everything, including the fact that males prefer to be 188 cm over 183 cm.
If you are FEMALE, which of these measurements is closest to the MALE height you consider ideal? (Skip if you are MALE)
1% (3)
<5'4 (<162.5)
0% (1)
5'5 (165)
0% (1)
5'6 (167.5)
1% (4)
5'7 (170)
1% (4)
5'8 (172.5)
4% (10)
5'9 (175)
8% (18)
5'10 (177.5)
11% (25)
5'11 (180)
27% (57)
6'0 (183)
13% (29)
6'1 (185.5)
12% (27)
6'2 (188)
8% (17)
6'3 (190.5)
6% (14)
>6'3 (>190.5)
But... surprisingly Males wanna be taller:
If you are MALE, which of these measurements is closest to the MALE height you consider ideal? (Skip if you are FEMALE)
1% (4)
<5'4 (<162.5)
0% (0)
5'5 (165)
0% (2)
5'6 (167.5)
0% (2)
5'7 (170)
1% (4)
5'8 (172.5)
0% (2)
5'9 (175)
6% (14)
5'10 (177.5)
8% (18)
5'11 (180)
19% (42)
6'0 (183)
19% (42)
6'1 (185.5)
26% (59)
6'2 (188)
8% (18)
6'3 (190.5)
5% (13)
>6'3 (>190.5)
The poll ends up with the mode being the average height in USA for white young males:
If you are MALE, which of these measurements is closest to your actual height? (Skip if you are FEMALE)
3% (7)
<5'4 (<162.5)
0% (2)
5'5 (165)
4% (9)
5'6 (167.5)
5% (12)
5'7 (170)
6% (15)
5'8 (172.5)
8% (19)
5'9 (175)
13% (29)
5'10 (177.5)
11% (24)
5'11 (180)
12% (27)
6'0 (183)
11% (24)
6'1 (185.5)
10% (22)
6'2 (188)
6% (15)
6'3 (190.5)
5% (13)
>6'3 (>190.5)
Furthermore, crossing six feet is the sweet spot:
poll: How tall is your man and what's ideal?
My man is 5'0"-5'4" : (7 votes)
1 %
My man is 5'5"-5'7" : (48 votes)
7 %
My man is 5'8"-5'11" : (167 votes)
26 %
My man is 6'0"-6'3" : (213 votes)
33 %
My man is 6'4" or over : (53 votes)
8 %
Ideal is 5'5" or less : (1 votes)
0 %
Ideal is 5'6"-5'11" : (36 votes)
6 %
Ideal is 6'0" or higher : (127 votes)
19 %
Read more: http://boards.weddingbee.com/topic/how-tall-is-your-man/#ixzz3TAjxT5dH
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IN Japan, this "ceiling effect" ie the "too tall effect" is replicated perfectly, they say 176-180 cm is too tall. Since average in Japan is about 172 (officially), then we add 4 cm, the ideal height in UK/USA is 180-184 cm:
Source: http://woman.mynavi.jp/article/140125-27/
High height, high salary, and high education, also known as the “three highs” has been regarded as the ultimate combination in Japanese society. However, many women now say that average is the best, so let’s see if this new way of thinking correlates with height. We asked 736 people just what they think.
Q. What’s your ideal height for a man? (Choose one)
1st 176-180cm (5’77” to 5’9″) 37.4%
2nd 171-175cm (5’6″ to 5’74”) 29.4%
3rd 181-185cm (5’94” to 6′) 17.9%
4th 166-170cm (5’44” to 5’57”) 7.3%
5th 186-190cm (6’1″ to 6’2″) 2.7%
■ 176-180cm
・”I’m lacking in height, but I think 180cm and higher look the best” (34, male / IT)
・”My ideal is to have to look up to him when he’s talking” (30, female / programmer)
・”A little on the tall side, but I think it doesn’t stand out too much, so it’s just right” (29, female / finance)
■ Bonus: do men look up to taller men?
・186-190cm “I need at least this much for a fair fight with those around the world” (34, male / education)
・190-195cm “Taller men overseas are around this area” (50, male / IT)
・Over 201cm “I’ve read anecdotes that Confucious was 209cm tall” (37, male / construction)
The most popular opinion was a man that approached 180cm. It seems that women want to be able to look up to men a little, and for men it’s the preferred height to dress fashionably. Men are getting taller as the years pass, so it’s possible that the ideal height may keep growing.
Poll duration :2013/12/24-2014/1/6
Eligible votes 282 male, 454 female (login required)
Research by MyNavi Woman
You know what? I am getting sick of this forum and do not wish to contribute anymore. I mean, the members here have distorted mindset of what the ideal male height is. It is impossible to change their mind. I have shown like what, 5 sources? I do not think I should even continue my diary to help these people who probably have psychological issues get taller. This is getting creepy by the minute. Every search I done for "ideal male height" says 6 feet. Then we have creepy users who say, no no, that's not ideal, but if that's not ideal then what is ideal and What is YOUR SOURCE? All this thing about affordable surgery in Russia and China is not helpful and I do not wish to contribute anymore, until I get an apology.
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Couldn't you use a little more space in between your paragraphs ITsMyLife? Ive yet to fill up my daily quota of pointless scrolling.
Edit: An apology for what, disagreement? I know Singapore isn't exactly the paragon of democratic debate but in this forum people have different opinions sometimes, you either deal with it -or you don't.
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Couldn't you use a little more space in between your paragraphs ITsMyLife? Ive yet to fill up my daily quota of pointless scrolling.
Edit: An apology for what, disagreement? I know Singapore isn't exactly the paragon of democratic debate but in this forum people have different opinions sometimes, you either deal with it -or you don't.
But, I am closer to the truth than the other guy. Okay maybe not apology, but at least show me the data that goes THE OTHER WAY :) I feel that this is a pointless debate, because, his mind is already fixed: he is already fixated on the idea that, ah, I want 188 m, and that is ideal. The point is, that is NOT ideal in terms of what women think (every single source says that). It may be the ideal height for him to feel tall, but he has to ACKNOWLEDGE that the DATA says that six feet is the ideal, not taller :)
Anyway or how, I am creeped out by how many people here apparently have mental issues and have stopped my diary:
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1237.324
I sincerely thank you for validating my research, at least.
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Couldn't you use a little more space in between your paragraphs ITsMyLife? Ive yet to fill up my daily quota of pointless scrolling.
Edit: An apology for what, disagreement? I know Singapore isn't exactly the paragon of democratic debate but in this forum people have different opinions sometimes, you either deal with it -or you don't.
Anyway, what have you got to say about my replies? ;)
I'm only here to finish this business. Once this business is up, I will leave this forum. This is a waste of time. I was reading about basketball shooting techniques and coming back here to post because I read absurd comments.
If I help (some members are probably, as was admitted) mentally unwell people, I think, I have not served my purpose on this forum. I am just encouraging more insanity (going for LL surgery, and suffering so much, for no purpose. they have BDD- always thinking they are too short).So I close my diary.
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All this thing about affordable surgery in Russia and China is not helpful and I do not wish to contribute anymore, until I get an apology.
Okay maybe not apology, but at least show me the data that goes THE OTHER WAY
lol, glad to see that your penis has grown back now, the last thing we need is another Mangina :)
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if itsmylife was a politician, he would have been a dictator, who tries to impose his vision and force people to follow it.
Let's believe you're right.So what?There are many guys who still want to be 185 cm or more, all the studies/surveys won't change anything to the fact that many of us want to do ll to be atleast 183 cm.
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if itsmylife was a politician, he would be a dictator, who tries to impose his vision and force people to follow it.
Let's believe you're right.So what?There are many guys who still want to be 185 cm or more, all the studies/surveys won't change anything to the fact that many of us want to do ll to be atleast 183 cm.
I want to be 185 cm or more. Professor Bagirov says I can safely do another 4 cm on my femurs for the perfect proportions (tibia vs femurs). (then I will be 187 cm at a cheap 6500 euros which I can afford, and probably 5-6 months) ... But I am limited by the DATA which shows that women do not like guys above six feet AS MUCH. (yes they still like 6'1, 6'2 etc but it is not preferable).
Furthermore, since I am bisexual, I might go back to guys (though I am happily with a girl now). It appears that most straight/gay/bi guys I have asked, they say 183 is too tall.
With a guy-guy attraction, height is much more crucial cos' the guy can easily tell your height (eg, a 170 cm guy can tell that you are 178 cm vs 183 cm). So I don't wanna be too tall.
I am f-ing worried about this issue, and I have YET TO SEE DATA which goes the other way. I used to think taller is better, now I think, hey, maybe NOT.
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I know the answer to your question its my life.
its actually a good question............ but I cant really be fked answering it again.
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I want to be 1.9 metre more than anyone here, trust me, I play basketball.
But I don't wanna be 1.9 metre and be shunned by guys and girls whom I like.
I am just trying to educate people here, that there is a CEILING EFFECT. This ceiling effect may be worse in Asia (Japan, Singapore, etc) but FOR SURE it is there.
Probably if you lengthen to Barrack Obama's height (185) or George Bush's height (182) it is fine, but HOW TALL is TOO TALL?
Even if I reach 1.9 and become a saint (ie, don't care about what guys and girls think about me), it might be difficult for me to find a job even (see the thread, on whom you will hire. nobody voted "very tall guy")
Yes I want to be tall, yes I have the time, patience and money to do so (as we speak, as I am lengthening, I can earn 5000/month). BUT I HAVE TO FACE the COMPLICATIONS, ie, girls will think, hey you're too tall.
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Luckily my clinic has a height ceiling. Else, people like endomorphisme will go there for cheap Russian surgery. Even if they remove the height ceiling (1.70), it is so painful at that clinic cause the doctors don't like to give painkillers, and I have suffered so many infections, and even have a bent left leg now because my frame collapsed.
Anyway, @FP, what question?? And no, I am still a boy (though I am 25, people think I am 18-19)
The fact that I date guys as well, is a very tricky business..... Trust me, guys are so anal about your looks. ONE SLIGHT imperfection, its a good game. I really don't wanna end up as a giant here and be shunned. Girls are more forgiving, I am sure they can accept you if you are 190 cm and a nice person. I am sure it is not thaaaaaat a turn-off to be 190 cm. It might lead them to think, Hey this guy is kinda too tall for Singapore, but hey, they wont reject you cos of your height. But trust me, guys (bi and gays) are f-ing superficial. You need to be handsome, and even if you are handsome you must be "their type"
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you will just never recover, even at 8 cm you won't recover your pre athletic abilities.
That's why i'am just aiming for 4 cm, because i want to reduce risks, and i know i will lose athletic abilities too.
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you will just never recover, even at 8 cm you won't recover your pre athletic abilities.
That's why i'am just aiming for 4 cm, because i want to reduce risks, and i know i will lose athletic abilities too.
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which is why I might stop at 6 cm. even though both doctors insist that 8 cm is fine. I don't trust their superpowers. I am glad I managed to convince them to ignore the height ceiling and I think a height ceiling is there for a reason - to screen people who possibly have body dysmorphic disorder.
I don't wanna be too tall here in Singapore (by parity of reasoning with the surveys in western countries). I like guys. I like my girls. I cant do this. I will be above average in Singapore at 180, probably not feel tall, but at least, I have a good dating life. (and can still dunk a ball)
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But, I am closer to the truth than the other guy. Okay maybe not apology, but at least show me the data that goes THE OTHER WAY :) I feel that this is a pointless debate, because, his mind is already fixed: he is already fixated on the idea that, ah, I want 188 m, and that is ideal. The point is, that is NOT ideal in terms of what women think (every single source says that). It may be the ideal height for him to feel tall, but he has to ACKNOWLEDGE that the DATA says that six feet is the ideal, not taller :)
Anyway or how, I am creeped out by how many people here apparently have mental issues and have stopped my diary:
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1237.324
I sincerely thank you for validating my research, at least.
That's because it is pointless, sorry mate but I think you've got too much time on your hands.
Also, couldn't you tell my first post was sarcastic? I don't agree with you, I think you're wrong.
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That's because it is pointless, sorry mate but I think you've got too much time on your hands.
Also, couldn't you tell my first post was sarcastic? I don't agree with you, I think you're wrong.
If you think I am wrong, what do you have to say to my replies (my counter-arguments)
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That's because it is pointless, sorry mate but I think you've got too much time on your hands.
Also, couldn't you tell my first post was sarcastic? I don't agree with you, I think you're wrong.
in case you forgot, you forgot to rebut me. here is my post again:
We are now presented with a link to "YouGov" who made a survey that would fit right in at jolly good "HeightDB" except that they didn't ask voters what height they prefered in the opposite sex but rather how tall they themselves would like to be. As this upon closer dissection reveals itself to be inconsistent with previously stated issue (what height women prefer in men) it, unfortuantely, renders this source irreleveant.
Hi Uppland, thanks for your comments. Anyway, re: YouGov, it was an opinion survey which asked women.
I quote:
On average, women say a romantic partner 5’3” or shorter is generally too short for comfort, while a partner 6’3” or taller is too tall, and the “ideal” height for a man is 5’11”. The survey also finds that for the average British man, a partner becomes too short at 4’11” and too tall at 6’. The ideal height for a woman, according to the average man, is 5’6”.
Notably, this excludes 10% of men who say there is no such thing as too short and 9% who say no height is too tall. Similarly, there is no "too short" for 4% of women and no "too tall" for 7%.
Re: Dailymail, I have read its articles and some articles were very well written. Either way, it is an opinion poll and this is what the ladies said.
Also, what do you have to say about the academic studies quoted at bodybuilding.com? Surely the academics can't be wrong as well? They asked women their ideal date, and it must have been a proper anthropologic evaluation.
So what do I say? We have opinion poll evidence from women and academic research (yes it was decades ago, but considering the data posted by endomorphisme, we see that the younger generation is at most 0.9 cm taller).
I am now very worried about the fact that when I reach 6 feet, it might be too tall for my country (as endomorphisme pointed out).
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I have another point, that more users here voted for six feet as ideal compared to six feet one.
I have so many points, unrebutted, my God. :'(
I want to be tall and accepted. :-\
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If you think I am wrong, what do you have to say to my replies (my counter-arguments)
That none of us can provide any statistical proof of what exact height is the most attractive on average down to a single centimeter -because there are no such studie -because it's such a petty question.
Look, you're gonna be fine at 183CM. You'll be tall everywhere in Asia and at the very worst you'll be average in the netherlands. Don't worry about it and don't get so damn anal about your silly internet links. You don't actually think they prove anything do you?
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That none of us can provide any statistical proof of what exact height is the most attractive on average down to a single centimeter -because there are no such studie -because it's such a petty question.
Look, you're gonna be fine at 183CM. You'll be tall everywhere in Asia and at the very worst you'll be average in the netherlands. Don't worry about it and don't get so damn anal about your silly internet links. You don't actually think they prove anything do you?
Because I asked my girl friends and guy friends, and they said 183 is too tall, which is why I stopped shy of 183. I might stop at 180 now, getting worried.
The anecdotal evidence from gay/bi guys and girl friends is confirmed by the evidence. Academic studies, and opinion polls on the internet. I want to trust you and endomorphisme.
My dating life might take a hit, but at least I will feel tall. as I said, that is what I want. I want the counter-evidence as much as you want (I can lengthen to 188 cm or so)
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That none of us can provide any statistical proof of what exact height is the most attractive on average down to a single centimeter -because there are no such studie -because it's such a petty question.
Look, you're gonna be fine at 183CM. You'll be tall everywhere in Asia and at the very worst you'll be average in the netherlands. Don't worry about it and don't get so damn anal about your silly internet links. You don't actually think they prove anything do you?
thanks I am not gonna care what my dates think. Im sure it cant be that bad to be very close to "too tall"...... at least if this forum members have a clear mind of societal realities (I hope so)
in the face of pretty damning evidence, I am still reconsidering to do 1.80 (5 mm more) instead of 1.83. 1.8, I get more girls In my country and guys too(its good being bisexual)..and I get 100% athletic function. If I do 1.83 my dating.love life might take a hit, and I might lose some athletic function (despite the doctors' insistence I wont)
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but you are already tall, in asia, so now stop seeking our compassion and acting like an attention w**** please.
Uppland, myself ( and many others) we live in europe, where the average height is much higher.I live in France, but in The north,uppland live in Sweden, after he compete ll, he will only be 4 cm above average ( correct me if i'm wrong uppland, but you still want to be 186 cm) and you are 7 cm above average, now.
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but you are already tall, in asia, so now stop seeking our compassion and acting like an attention w**** please.
Uppland, myself ( and many others) we live in europe, where the average height is much higher.I live in France, but in The north,uppland live in Sweden, after he compete ll, he will only be 4 cm above average ( correct me if i'm wrong uppland, but you still want to be 186 cm) and you are 7 cm above average, now.
Yup totally. I might be too tall instead. :-\
But there are many (like 15%) 1.80++ guys here.. I am sure it cant be that bad?
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Evidence from SG:
One comment said he is 185 and wish he were shorter (and you see comments, so many people 185-190, 192 cm in Singapore )
http://singaporeseen.stomp.com.sg/singaporeseen/confession-of-the-day/confession-im-171m-tall-and-i-hate-it-because-i-get-teased-for-dating-guys
ideal male height, most said 177+, or 180+.. one girl said not too tall else she feels like midget:
I'm like 5' 2".. so the guy must be taller.. at least 5' 6" to 5'11". Haha.. nothing more than 6-footer, 'cause i feel like a midget.
anold forum: ideal boyfriend height, it appears there are so many singaporeans who are 185 cm ++. my god. is it the norm now..
http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/274294?page=3
reading forums (without silly polls and statistics) make me feel more human and more accepted.. some girls like 180, some like 183. very few go above that, but there are!
So I've decided, I wanna feel tall and that's the most important. I will eventually find the girl even though I might have reduced dating pools (which is, according to Uppland, only hypothetical)
8)
sidenote, it must feel bad to be 183 cm in Europe/UK. see the Singapore forums...so many tall guys.. (180, 183, 186, 192: why are they so tall) it must be even worse in UK/Europe.
Adding :
put a limit to height difference as 20 cm, and some say ideal height is 1.8, some say he wants to be 1.83, some said 175 is ideal minimum or 175... :http://sgforums.com/forums/8/topics/485290?page=2
Okay I feel better. (Not too tall)
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itsmylife, may i ask you something?
What are you studying at university and how will you manage to earn 5000 (dollars i believe) monthly?
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itsmylife, may i ask you something?
What are you studying at university and how will you manage to earn 5000 (dollars i believe) monthly?
medicine, teaching (Singapore dollrs, so about 4000 usd/month I think)
the average height here is scary: http://forums.vr-zone.com/chit-chatting/257561-survey-average-height-young-singaporean-males-8.html = so many 185 188 192 etc zzzzzz. based on this stupid site the average in Singapore is probably 178. (I think only those who are tall commented though)
Either way, I will decide 1.8 or 1.83. Thanks for consoling me that 1.83 is probably good.
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There is something wrong inside your head.
Anyway. My own dream height is 188.
Today I am 178. I can only add 5 more cm.
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There is something wrong inside your head.
Anyway. My own dream height is 188.
Today I am 178. I can only add 5 more cm.
He's erratic that's for sure. I know I pester you a bit with questions but I want to know why you think 188 is ideal in Sweden.
Uppriktigt nyfiken.
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if you really thought 6foot was ideal you wouldnt fell the need to spend hours on end proving it to everybody. 6foot is probably the most you can reach cus of your arm span or sitting height, which is why your saying 6foot is ideal. Either this or your a troll.
One fundamental mistake you keep making is, when females are asked about looks, they'll say what they think is ideal in terms of LTR. Now, their pussy's think differently to their heads, cus their pussy's want ideal STR, not LTR. 6foot may be the ideal for LTR, but I can assure you a female will be more sexually attracted to a 6foot5 man than a 6foot one. Of course I can't prove this, cus there's no tests done. All I can say is I've been to a fair share of parties, and the taller the better is how it works, no limit. Here's some logic for you - it's been proven when girls want STR, they want the most dominant men (alpha male). Height is directly correlated with dominance, so by that logic, the taller you are the more sex appeal you have.
Ask girls who they find most handsome, and they'll say some guy like this at 6foot tall:
(http://www.tsquirrel.com/_data/photos/2015/02/thumbs/5153__jamie-dornan_jamie-dornan-you-will-find-the-best-topics-and-images-.jpg)
Now, go to a party, and the hotties will be banging a guy who looks like this at 6foot5:
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/4f4dd167c39d134d1312d1107992bb80/tumblr_ngbh3iZJ9H1ssyz7vo2_500.jpg)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/90e6aff97ea0fb4c0c65b565b90e444f/tumblr_nf2cufa8rY1ssyz7vo4_500.jpg)
Anybody with life experience knows what I said is 100% true.
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if you really thought 6foot was ideal you wouldnt fell the need to spend hours on end proving it to everybody. 6foot is probably the most you can reach cus of your arm span or sitting height, which is why your saying 6foot is ideal. Either this or your a troll.
One fundamental mistake you keep making is, when females are asked about looks, they'll say what they think is ideal in terms of LTR. Now, their pussy's think differently to their heads, cus their pussy's want ideal STR, not LTR. 6foot may be the ideal for LTR, but I can assure you a female will be more sexually attracted to a 6foot5 man than a 6foot one. Of course I can't prove this, cus there's no tests done. All I can say is I've been to a fair share of parties, and the taller the better is how it works, no limit. Here's some logic for you - it's been proven when girls want STR, they want the most dominant men (alpha male). Height is directly correlated with dominance, so by that logic, the taller you are the more sex appeal you have.
Ask girls who they find most handsome, and they'll say some guy like this at 6foot tall:
(http://www.tsquirrel.com/_data/photos/2015/02/thumbs/5153__jamie-dornan_jamie-dornan-you-will-find-the-best-topics-and-images-.jpg)
Now, go to a party, and the hotties will be banging a guy who looks like this at 6foot5:
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/4f4dd167c39d134d1312d1107992bb80/tumblr_ngbh3iZJ9H1ssyz7vo2_500.jpg)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/90e6aff97ea0fb4c0c65b565b90e444f/tumblr_nf2cufa8rY1ssyz7vo4_500.jpg)
Anybody with life experience knows what I said is 100% true.
No! Women think they are freaks, don't you see! They are 'too tall'.
;)
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Wow, cute little surveys and bodybuilding forum posts. You're really showing your credibility. So much for your university education.
Did it ever occur to you that women's words don't necessarily reflect their actions and decisions? If you were to ask a woman what she looks for in a man, they would say things like "a good job", "a kind heart"- but we all know those are just empty platitudes. They'll go for the handsome tall studs for one night of passion virtually every time.
Give me data showing me who is having the most sex, not what womens' alleged preferences are (that you have ascertained from online surveys and forum posts). It's just bad science/statistics, because we know people lie in surveys and make themselves look less primitive and more noble than they really are.
I know you want me to back down (like you have about half a dozen times now since yesterday, what with your moving the topic around and trying to divert from what I've been saying) and apologize, but it won't happen. By the way, I'm not 'mentally ill', you're the one that acts like you have something to prove and paid thousands of dollars to get your legs broken by a drunk russian because you 'wanted to feel tall' (but not 'too tall', which would be terrible!) and have gone on a fuming posting spree since yesterday. Must feel very small on the inside- unlike you, people like uppland and me are actually considering LL for purely pragmatic purposes.
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There is something wrong inside your head.
Anyway. My own dream height is 188.
Today I am 178. I can only add 5 more cm.
Something wrong in your head. Not mine.
Anyway, why would women want to lie? If they want to lie, why six feet?
Why not say the ideal male height is 5'9 or something more average?:))
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No! Women think they are freaks, don't you see! They are 'too tall'.
;)
I agree with this! :)
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Wow, cute little surveys and bodybuilding forum posts. You're really showing your credibility. So much for your university education.
Opinion-polls and academic studies. Why would women want to lie? Why not lie 5'8, why lie 6' which happens to be Hollywood celebrities average height? 8)
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I lol at guys's theorys about who female find attractive, too much sluthate guys
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I actually think the opposite of what you said can be true...taller guys have it better with LTRs, but all men are closer to equal when it comes to one night stands. I say this because I've heard lots of attractive short guys say that they have no trouble hooking up, but can't get in relationships because women dont see them as relationship material (because those guys carry "subhuman" genes, and also they want a guy they would be proud to show off to their friends.)
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I lol at guys's theorys about who female find attractive, too much sluthate guys
One opinion poll of women is very clear ::) and, these people think women would lie in an opinion poll. Why didn't they lie 5'10? or 5'9? This is ludicrous ;) they are experts (maybe they are women in their past life), they know what women want.. :-* :'(
(http://i58.tinypic.com/xvlly.png)
Source: https://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/07/11/ideal-height-56-woman-511-man/
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Well, a world-class (top 30 in the world) university student quotes scholarly articles.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Height+as+a+basis+for+interpersonal+attraction.-a015622157
(This was in my first post, in the bodybuilding forum)
Sorry if this pwns, together with my other arguments:)
DISCUSSION
These results aid us in understanding the conflicts in the past literature. If taller men enjoy a dating advantage, that advantage may translate into more and varied social experience, thereby enabling them to be more selective in the dating marketplace. Hence, Feingold (1982) was probably correct; taller men may indeed have prettier girlfriends given their social advantage of height. It is also the case that several other confusing findings now fit into place. Gunderson (1965) reported that naval personnel assigned to a medium-sized aircraft carrier (the sample size was not reported, but it was presumably large), expressed the opinion that 72 inches (183 cm) was the optimal desired height. Ironically, 72 inches is the mean height for an ideal male reported by the uninvolved females in this study. Moreover, the standard deviation of the preferred height is so small ([Alpha] = .20) that the preference for a six-foot-tall male is overwhelming. Of the 145 uninvolved females, 46 (32%) report that six feet is the ideal height for a male.
The Graziano et al. study (1978) is also brought into clearer focus. The researchers in that study were mystified when women seemed to prefer medium height men (5'9" to 5'11") to either short men (5'5" to 5'7") or tall men (6'2" to 6'4"). Graziano and his colleagues erroneously assumed that taller males are ipso facto more attractive. In light of the results found here, there is clearly a "ceiling effect"; at some point taller is not better for males. :-* :-* :-*Graziano encountered the ceiling. Using the same categories proposed by Graziano, the same results may be replicated with the preference of uninvolved females; 3 (2%) preferred short males, 40 (28%) preferred medium height males, while tall males were chosen by 34 (23%). Note, however, that the medium category is the closest approximation to the real choice of six feet.
Third, there is apparently a "ceiling effect" in interpersonal attractiveness for the male. These data suggest that taller is not always better and that at some point, the advantage of male height may become a disadvantage. Obviously, that conclusion is tentative at present, but it is clearly a matter for future investigation.
Ceiling effect proven! 8)
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if you really thought 6foot was ideal you wouldnt fell the need to spend hours on end proving it to everybody. 6foot is probably the most you can reach cus of your arm span or sitting height, which is why your saying 6foot is ideal. Either this or your a troll.
One fundamental mistake you keep making is, when females are asked about looks, they'll say what they think is ideal in terms of LTR. Now, their pussy's think differently to their heads, cus their pussy's want ideal STR, not LTR. 6foot may be the ideal for LTR, but I can assure you a female will be more sexually attracted to a 6foot5 man than a 6foot one. Of course I can't prove this, cus there's no tests done. All I can say is I've been to a fair share of parties, and the taller the better is how it works, no limit. Here's some logic for you - it's been proven when girls want STR, they want the most dominant men (alpha male). Height is directly correlated with dominance, so by that logic, the taller you are the more sex appeal you have.
Ask girls who they find most handsome, and they'll say some guy like this at 6foot tall:
(http://www.tsquirrel.com/_data/photos/2015/02/thumbs/5153__jamie-dornan_jamie-dornan-you-will-find-the-best-topics-and-images-.jpg)
Now, go to a party, and the hotties will be banging a guy who looks like this at 6foot5:
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/4f4dd167c39d134d1312d1107992bb80/tumblr_ngbh3iZJ9H1ssyz7vo2_500.jpg)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/90e6aff97ea0fb4c0c65b565b90e444f/tumblr_nf2cufa8rY1ssyz7vo4_500.jpg)
Anybody with life experience knows what I said is 100% true.
You win. First time anecdotal evidence from one person beats my anecdotal experience + opinion surveys + scholastic articles . Wow :) that is a high IQ person.
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I actually think the opposite of what you said can be true...taller guys have it better with LTRs, but all men are closer to equal when it comes to one night stands. I say this because I've heard lots of attractive short guys say that they have no trouble hooking up, but can't get in relationships because women dont see them as relationship material (because those guys carry "subhuman" genes, and also they want a guy they would be proud to show off to their friends.)
True! ;D
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There is something wrong inside your head.
Anyway. My own dream height is 188.
Today I am 178. I can only add 5 more cm.
There is definitely something wrong in your head. Going to India with Dr. Sarin. Now you want to go to the Ukraine. You said only Jamal, no one else. Do you watch news??? Have you heard of WAR? There must be something really really deeply wrong with you. Always picking the cheapest options. Thats how your legs gonna look like.
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Dude, you can't trust women. When they say they prefer 6', it obviously means they prefer 6'10". And when they say 'NO', oh dear... they're asking for the D. And if they scream 'STOP'... well you know what that means. 8)
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I think women just say they want 6' tall guys because 6 is a round number, just that.
They cant tell the difference between a 5'10 and a 6'...
Just because it sounds better, they go for it xD
Really, I think we shouldn't worry so much about what that kind of girls think, if they prefer a guy because they have height 6' instead of 5' something
In metric countries, girls prefer 180cm, just because it's a rounded number.
Actually, they just end up with anyone that get a connection to her, simple as that. Some are more artificial, but who cares?
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I agree. I have posted many times that height doesn't matter, provided you're not too short nor too tall. I would accept almost any height if I feel emotionally, intellectually and physically attracted to that man. My preferences go, however, for men going from 5'10 to 6' or perhaps 6'1 (only after my LL, which will situate me at 5'7).
Exactly, if the guy is not too short for THAT girls height or too tall, there won't be any problem.
You say your preference is between 5'10 - 6', but you can end up with someone just 1 or 2 inches taller than you.
I may be 176-178cm after LL, which will take a long time to do still, currently I'm 166cm, but I never had any problem having girls, even the taller ones. xD
They may say what they want, but many times we don't really know what we exactly want or need.
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I actually think the opposite of what you said can be true...taller guys have it better with LTRs, but all men are closer to equal when it comes to one night stands. I say this because I've heard lots of attractive short guys say that they have no trouble hooking up, but can't get in relationships because women dont see them as relationship material (because those guys carry "subhuman" genes, and also they want a guy they would be proud to show off to their friends.)
Please... I've seen ugly, short losers getting girlfriends and having one night stands. It's very easy to hook up these days, lets be honest here...
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It appears that the guy who said that I was incoherent, ie, mersault, has yet to address my scientific studies, the opinion polls and my reasoning.
Mersault, who has immensely high IQ because he claims that my data is incoherent, when he has YET to provide any sound data:
This is just a sad, sad tale of bitterness, jealousy, mental illness, mental anguish and an attempt to cope.
Apparently, I have annihilated and destroyed his reasoning for wanting LL surgery. Probably he wants to be 190 cm and I have just toppled (totally) any logical reasoning for wanting to be 190cm (probably he wanted more dates to spice up his love life).
At 190 cm he would probably feel tall, but girls would find him "too tall" as the researchers said, there is a "ceiling effect". 190cm is probably way past it :-[
I think the one who is jealous? bitter? is him, and not me, as my target is 182cm which is proven by these academic research and opinion polls (in fact, not just one, but multiple). to be the IDEAL height for dating purposes.
Well, he can live in his own delusion, that, women consistently lie to the surveyers and to the researchers and academicians that 183 cm (6 feet) is the ideal height. It appears to be really fortuitious that this was the result of multiple studies AND polls :] all these people are incoherent. ::)
Thank you for showing us your intelligence.
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I think women just say they want 6' tall guys because 6 is a round number, just that.
They cant tell the difference between a 5'10 and a 6'...
Just because it sounds better, they go for it xD
Really, I think we shouldn't worry so much about what that kind of girls think, if they prefer a guy because they have height 6' instead of 5' something
In metric countries, girls prefer 180cm, just because it's a rounded number.
Actually, they just end up with anyone that get a connection to her, simple as that. Some are more artificial, but who cares?
True, many Singapore girls put 180 cm as the ideal, as we are metric.
Some post strange numbers like 175 as the minimum ideal, and 177, etc, weird numbers. One or two commented 6 feet (for some strange reason, probably too many American dramas). The forums where I searched "male ideal height Singapore" have been posted in my earlier post.
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It's just bad science/statistics, because we know people lie in surveys and make themselves look less primitive and more noble than they really are.
That is a very coherent answer. You are of great and supreme intelligence. Let me kowtow to you. It appears immensely fortuitous and just a matter of sheer chance that women chose 183 cm (which is a few cm above the average height) to appear like saints, who don't go for height. It appears totally fortuitous that in multiple polls and academic research, the women lie consistently, to give 6 feet as the answer.
My thinking is: If they want to appear like saints, probably they should have chose 5'1, 5'9 or 5'10. But the studies? All say 6' is the ideal. Or at most, 6'1. One said 5'11.
The reproducible effect of these studies AND polls, AND anecdotal evidence AND the fact that Hollywood celebrities average 6 feet = this is incoherent reasoning, compared to your very very coherent reasoning that women consistently lie to surveyors to appear saintly (yeah, they vote 6 feet and not 5'9; 6 feet is not above average, oh okay. ))
Everyone has a point of view and you do not have to shove your 'superior" point of view ;)
I wonder if I have just made someone really mad with anger because his plan to go to 190 cm appears now.... not to have any benefit at all in terms of dating , in fact it is totally disadvantageous..due to what scientists call the ceiling effect; I am sorry if this has happened. Trust me, I study medicine. Breathe deeply, baby.
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I agree. I have posted many times that height doesn't matter, provided you're not too short nor too tall. I would accept almost any height if I feel emotionally, intellectually and physically attracted to that man. My preferences go, however, for men going from 5'10 to 6' or perhaps 6'1 (only after my LL, which will situate me at 5'7).
Well, some people seem to be seething mad after I systemically destroy their reasoning with opinion polls, academic research, anecdotal evidence, and solid arguments (eg, my Hollywood argument). Well, that is the trouble when you study a double degree in medicine and law. You write good arguments. Ah well. It shall destroy more brain cells if I continue this diffusion of intellect.
You know what they think? They think that all women like to be shrimps. As you or Diso said: I do not like to be a shrimp. They think you are just being saintly. Height is not important, you wanna portray this to surveyors. You lie to scientists to portray a godly image. Well, if you so want to be godly and saintly, and act all good, why choose six feet? Why not choose 5'5 as the ideal male height? :D
It appears that my IQ is too low to understand the supremely intelligent beings here who have far better university degrees than myself. :P :P :P
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There is definitely something wrong in your head. Going to India with Dr. Sarin. Now you want to go to the Ukraine. You said only Jamal, no one else. Do you watch news??? Have you heard of WAR? There must be something really really deeply wrong with you. Always picking the cheapest options. Thats how your legs gonna look like.
One would have thought he would have learnt after that Sarin experience. Ah, maybe his IQ is too high for us to understand his logic.
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if you really thought 6foot was ideal you wouldnt fell the need to spend hours on end proving it to everybody.
Im free now (lengthening) so I thought I could stop some body dysmoprhic disorder. As musicmaker knows, a BDD patient is very difficult to convince. Even when we present him/her with solid evidence, he/she will try to convince himself/herself that he/she is right. This leads to (unfortunately) disastrous cosmetic surgery outcomes and the never-ending quest for freakishness! I hope I can stop the bitterness in their poor souls before they die of embolism on the operating theatre or suffer devastating consequences. Donating some of my time is OK.
Alright, going to sleep now. Apparently my IQ of 140 and university education is not enough to comprehend some supremely intelligent people on this thread.
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minus 2.5 inches. ---------- average --------------- addition of 2.5 inches.
that is it in a nutshell.
at these thresholds opinions become different at exponential speeds/lengths.
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minus 2.5 inches. ---------- average --------------- addition of 2.5 inches.
that is it in a nutshell.
at these thresholds opinions become different at exponential speeds/lengths.
(PS: I am curious what MM and Diso think of this. I have a guys mind, so this is my best guess)
FP, I can only think of one reason why there is a divergence of opinions.
For dating, as is confirmed by multiple sources, 6 feet is ideal. Why?
Most girls will think that 6' is good, not too tall, not short, and definitely above average, definitely trophy boyfriend material.
At 6'2 or so, there is a divergence of opinions. Some girls say: Ah, 6'2 is too tall, nah, I feel like midget (Disobedient and MM). Some girls say: Oh man, 6'2, hes so tall, I will sleep with him. Other girls say: Ah, Most 6'2 guys are doofy-looking (there is a thread on this), so I will vote, 6' is the best, pretty boy type.
THIS IS NOT TO SAY that 6'2 is bad, its ugly, freakish.
6'2 is probably
* a good height to feel tall in western countries
* but, not the ideal height for dating (more girls prefer six feet)
* some girls will still like six feet two guys.
It is really more of a PERSONAL choice.
If I were in the UK, I would ask myself what do I want more? What is my priority? Do I want a better dating life? Or..Do I want to feel tall amongst my peers?
*If I want a better dating life: 6' is ideal. Con: You will not feel very tall
* If I want to feel tall: 6'2 is ideal. Con: You might get less girls, as has been PROVEN (I hesitate to say that 6'2 is freak-ish due to the great number of people being that height, maybe 6'5 or 7 feet) => If you can live with this, then fine, it is your ideal height.
I think this is the best way to reconcile the data that is being thrown at us. (I must admit I am shocked with the data, but this is a better way to reconcile it, than to say the girls are consistently lying through their teeth).
Lets apply the Theoretical situation to Singapore (where average is lower by an inch or two), applying parity of reasoning....
*If I want a better dating life: I will possibly choose 178 or maybe 180 cm. (or even 183 cm(six feet). why? see below)
*If I want to feel tall: definitely 6', 6'1, 6'2. BUT, I might hypothetically get less girls.
**** The problem is, nobody has definitively said what is the ideal height in Singapore, there is no poll. We can only GUESS that the ideal is lower than America/UK. But, I am challenging this assertion! K-pop and Singapore celebrities tend to be about 180+. PERHAPS, 180-183 is the ideal height in Singapore. Perhaps, 180-183 is universally ideal owing to globalisation forces.
Why I choose Six Feet in a country with shorter population (Singapore):
1. I am trying to strike a balance between girls and feeling tall.
2. I want to feel tall. That's more important to me than girls. So I will take the risk, of being abit too tall for some girls.
3. I did not choose 6'2-6'3 or something cause that would surely reduce my dating pool. Dating to me is not important (I easily get girls/guys) but it surely has to be important to some degree.
4. THERE IS A CHANCE that six feet (or maybe 180-183 cm) is ideal in Singapore, since our celebrities, K-pop celebrities, Taiwanese celebrities tend to be six feet. A Korean talkshow also asked girls and it appeared that 180cm was the "minimum height" they would date. This is the globalisation hypothesis, that the ideal height is universally 183 cm.
Perhaps, I am wrong to say that some members here have BDD.
A better way to phrase it: Determine your priorities. What do you want??? If you want to be 188cm, be prepared to take a small dip in your dating life! You will feel tall, and that itself is a good thing. Who knows, if you feel tall, you will have more confidence, and you will have a better dating life. After all, I think confidence is very important.
This is the best way I can think of, to come to an amiable and amicable answer. (Of course, there are more extreme views which posit that girls want to be midgets, but that's a distortion in mindset)
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One who brings IQ so many times and puts quotes as signature in order to prove his ideas is only a loser in my eyes and the fact that u're happy having an IQ of 140 proves my theory even more, and before u shut me down, no I have no education, still in college, but u're forcing me to bring my IQ(148) to a forum in order for u to listen me as u're viewing IQ as sort of supremacy. Don't take this as offence but rather as an advice. Btw I agree with 6'0-6'2 being the best range with 6'0 best in Asia as I think Asians don't look at all that dating crap from internet, ranging from sluthate to this forum or bodybuilding, when dating
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One who brings IQ so many times and puts quotes as signature in order to prove his ideas is only a loser in my eyes and the fact that u're happy having an IQ of 140 proves my theory even more, and before u shut me down, no I have no education, still in college, but u're forcing me to bring my IQ(148) to a forum in order for u to listen me as u're viewing IQ as sort of supremacy
Nope I don't think IQ is supremacy. If you read up further, the single key determinant to success in life(including financial) is not IQ. Students were followed, and the answer is: being hardworking. Of course, you can be hardworking and low IQ, then you might not be successful
Reason why I bring up the high IQ of the other posters, is that their arguments ...... are so logical. I cannot help but wonder they are much more intelligent species.
But I agree with your logic that for generations, six feet has been the ideal. I don't think it will be displaced anytime soon, given that the average height for the younger generation has not increased much (see my other thread).
If you ask MM or anyone who knows me and my posts, I have said that IQ is not the most important. Rather it might be wealth, kindness and how hardworking someone is. My IQ is high but not very high, I know that. But it is enough for me to make a comfortable living and score well in university as long as I have studied hard.
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Anyway I do not need to say about my IQ or education, objectively look at the two streams of argument, and it is manifestly clear why I feel that I have such low IQ that I totally cannot understand what the other posters (Meursault and endormorphisme, Uppland) are saying. I am sorry but I am just too dumb. :'(
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Btw I agree with 6'0-6'2 being the best range with 6'0 best in Asia as I think Asians don't look at all that dating crap from internet, ranging from sluthate to this forum or bodybuilding, when dating
All the data can only lead to the conclusion that 6'0 to 6'1 is good. 6'2 should be fine too, but its pushing the data slightly. As I have said it is all personal preference.
If you are 6'2 in USA/UK you might suffer a slight statistical dip in your dating pool. It might not even be noticeable......But, if you are a LL patient, and become so much more confident at 6'2, then you might have a greater dating pool (compared to if you did NOT have LL).
My point is, as a patient who is 170 cm for instance, all this post about 188 cm being the best, is nonsense. A patient who does LL, should well be advised to stop at 183 instead of 188. I am in the fortunate situation that I started at 174. I will finish my tibia at 182+. If I do another 4-5 cm which Prof bagirov suggests I am already at 186. But I don't wanna do all this. I think it is "too tall", ie, outside of three standard deviations in most parts of Asia (and perhaps maybe my country as well).
I have read the Singapore forums and there is no nonsense like this going on AT ALL, trying to read what girls want (and reading it wrongly). If we look at the data objectively, I think the most sane answer is to say that there is a height ceiling (ceiling effect as the research calls it), and that height ceiling is about 6'1. After that, returns become negative (though it may not be very noticeable, ie, 190 cm tall guys aren't shunned for their height. it might be a slight decrease in dating pools).
Even Asian girls are so much nicer. Some of them (30%) don't even mind guys shorter than themselves. (according to a poll by Straits Times RazorTV)
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Anyway I do not need to say about my IQ or education, objectively look at the two streams of argument, and it is manifestly clear why I feel that I have such low IQ that I totally cannot understand what the other posters (Meursault and endormorphisme, Uppland) are saying. I am sorry but I am just too dumb. :'(
6'5 (Scandinavia) might be equivalent to 6'2 in U.S which is equivalent to 6'0 in Asia, so you all were arguing about nothing, but one thing I disagree with, is the male's theory about who a girl would bang, that is just lol
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True. It'sMyLife and me were discussing about this the other day, but our posts were deleted. IQ is important, but being hardworking is equally important. Being wealthy is also desirable. And kindness, of course, is something to take into account.
that is just crap, only thing important is never even think of failure, if u mean by kindness leave others to do their work then I agree
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6'5 (Scandinavia) might be equivalent to 6'2 in U.S which is equivalent to 6'0 in Asia, so you all were arguing about nothing, but one thing I disagree with, is the male's theory about who a girl would bang, that is just lol
Yup I have seen that point and mentioned it :)
It just appears from the data that 6' to 6'1 appears to be the height most girls statistically like.
In Asia, the figure (I thought) might be 1 inch lower or 2 inches,.
But I theorised (above) that globalisation forces might have caused Asian and Western heights to intersect such that the IDEAL for both asia and west is both 6' (or around there); this is just a guess. But K-pop heights, and Taiwanese pop heights, Chinese pop heights, are an indicator this may be true.
Regardless, I don't think most girls would notice a difference between a 6' guy and a 6'2 guy (since they are way shorter, most of them).
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There are many people who are mentally weak or have mental disorders on this forum, there might be a substantial proportion of mentally Ill people among patients
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What exactly would you like to know? I feel 6 feet is ideal, but anything between 5'10 and 6'1 seems also ideal to me. As I have already said,I would accept a man shorter or taller than that if I feel physically, intellectually and emotionally attached to him. And, of course, I'm not a liar (or at least I'm not lying about this).
Thanks for clarifying that you are not lying about this.
Just something funny... To show how I am unable to understand supreme intelligence here ;)
MM: The ideal is about 5'10 to 6'1. :)
(Supreme Intelligence) Forum member: No! You are lying! You want a 6'5 guy to sleep with >:(
MM: Hell no. I don't wanna feel like a midget! :o
(Supreme Intelligence) Forum member: No! You liar! ::)You want people to have an impression that you are a saint, and don't go for height >:( >:( >:(
MM: *flagging a dead horse* If I am a saint, I would have chosen the ideal height to be 5'8/5'9 or something more average or even 5'1. ??? THe fact is that height is a bonus.... *face palm* :-\
Forum member (Supreme Intelliegence) : You liar, go to a party and you see all the girls want the 6'5 guy >:( >:( >:( girls wanna be dominated so badly
MM: :o :-[ :'( ;D
Forum member (another one): There are many people who are mentally weak or have mental disorders on this forum, there might be a substantial proportion of mentally Ill people among patients
Haha, this is just for comedy sake and to make things easier to understand ::)
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There are many people who are mentally weak or have mental disorders on this forum, there might be a substantial proportion of mentally Ill people among patients
I agree. perhaps you can answer to the information I have posted? ;) no new arguments? no new data? there are indeed many mentally ill patients, I agree.
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Fretting about whether 6'0 or 6'2 is the better height for a male is very silly and unbelievably crazy.
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Fretting about whether 6'0 or 6'2 is the better height for a male is very silly and unbelievably crazy.
someone thinks that he can dominate a 6feet guy by being 6'2. that's more insane. lol. two inches is 5 cm.
This poll clearly shows a gradual decline in the number of votes from 6'1 onwards. As a study has noted Hensley (1994), the difference is STATISTICALLY significant, ie, much more girls prefer 6' rather than 6'1 or 6'2, This effect has been reproduced everywhere, even in recent polls..
. Gunderson (1965) reported that naval personnel assigned to a medium-sized aircraft carrier (the sample size was not reported, but it was presumably large), expressed the opinion that 72 inches (183 cm) was the optimal desired height. Ironically, 72 inches is the mean height for an ideal male reported by the uninvolved females in this study. Moreover, the standard deviation of the preferred height is so small ([Alpha] = .20) that the preference for a six-foot-tall male is overwhelming. Of the 145 uninvolved females, 46 (32%) report that six feet is the ideal height for a male.
This poll 57 voted 6 feet, 27 voted 6'2. :-\
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/362135/results
* I think you have to vote before you can see results
If you are FEMALE, which of these measurements is closest to the MALE height you consider ideal? (Skip if you are MALE)
11% (25 voters)
5'11 (180)
27% (57 voters)
6'0 (183)
13% (29 voters)
6'1 (185.5)
12% (27 voters)
6'2 (188)
8% (17 voters)
6'3 (190.5)
6% (14 voters)
>6'3 (>190.5)
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Really, it's not like your going to be a more supreme being just because you stand 6'2 tall rather than 6'0 tall. If old age shrinkage is the concern then sure, shoot for a little extra, still, it really isn't necessary. 5'9 to 6'0 are all great heights, even at 5'8 it has not ever stopped any of my brothers from living wonderful and great lives.
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Just crap? OMG! Why? Hahaha
in order to achieve a greater intelect you'll sacrify something in order to concentrate all your energy/focus on that target, which is what sets you apart from others, but depends whether the work is mental (something like matemathician) or social (businessman)
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It is asinine to assert that girls are lying when they are polled:
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/362135/results
* I think you have to vote before you can see results
If you are FEMALE, which of these measurements is closest to the MALE height you consider ideal? (Skip if you are MALE)
1% (4 voters)
5'7 (170)
1% (4 voters)
5'8 (172.5)
4% (10 voters)
5'9 (175)
8% (18 voters)
5'10 (177.5)
11% (25 voters)
5'11 (180)
27% (57 voters)
6'0 (183)
13% (29 voters)
6'1 (185.5)
12% (27 voters)
6'2 (188)
8% (17 voters)
6'3 (190.5)
6% (14 voters)
>6'3 (>190.5)
As can be seen:
1) If women are lying to act saintly or to hide their love for tall guys or love for being dominated, they would have voted a height that is below average. Look at the 5'7 and 5'8 heights, only a few voters (4 each), compared to the more average heights. This shows a perverse inclination towards tall guys.
2) As you approach from 5'9 towards 6 feet, you notice a gradual and significant increase in voters:
4% (10 voters)
5'9 (175)
8% (18 voters)
5'10 (177.5)
11% (25 voters)
5'11 (180)
27% (57 voters)
6'0 (183)
3) After 6 feet, there is a sharp decline (half) in number of voters who vote 6'1. After 6'1, note a constant but statistically significant DECREASE in number of voters.
13% (29 voters)
6'1 (185.5) THIS IS HALF THE NO OF VOTERS WHO VOTED SIX FEET
12% (27 voters)
6'2 (188) Less voters...
8% (17 voters)
6'3 (190.5) Even less voters...
6% (14 voters)
>6'3 (>190.5) Even less voters... Least voters.
4) If you see the graph on the website, there is a symmetrical effect. The number of voters peak at six feet. There are less voters on either side of the graph.
5) The graph shows that guys taller than six feet are more desired than guys shorter than six feet. I don't think we can say the girls are lying. They obviously desire taller guys
6) But there is a "too tall" limit for some girls, or at least, a preference towards 6 feet as their ideal.
7) This corresponds with an infographic that Meursault has posted from OKCupid. No. of unsolicited messages from girls. The idea is that six feet is the peak. 6'1 has less messages than 6 feet.
8) Hensley (1994) did statistical analysis and showed that the height of 183 cm was preferred by so many girls that it is statistically very clear and significant (very low alpha).
9) There have been multiple opinion polls done by news agencies and websites which asked for women's opinion and the ideal height always is 6 feet. There are decreases in number of voters on both sides of the graph. yougov.uk even concluded that 6'3 is "too tall" in its infographic.
10) The Japanese website which I posted did an opinion poll, it shows that the ideal height (as voted by women) is 180 cm. THis means that taller is not always better. Asians are also probably more truthful and forthcoming about their ideal height in a partner. It is asinine to suggest that these Japanese are lying.
11) There are multiple studies, other than Hensley(1994). See above. These studies may be decades old, but, the average height has remained constant for youngsters vs those who are older, or is only 0.9 cm taller (according to PDF files contributed by endomorphisme, thanks). So the results should be and are the same today (see for example, Dailymail, Yougov, which are recent surveys, even one dates to 2014).
12)These conclusions are supported by MM and Diso. MM has said she is not lying.
13) These conclusions are supported by what I asked girls and even gay or bisexual men. The ideal is in fact 180-183 cm. 183 and above in fact, in Asia, according to them is "too tall", They did not know I did LL surgery and they see me with 180 cm lifts so there is no reason for them to lie.
14) Hollywood celebrites and Kpop celebrities are mostly 180-185. This suggests that there is probably an intersection point as to what is considered the ideal height. The mass media does convey what is socially ideal: eg, thin, fit, lean,rich, good-looking. The mass media is the epitome of superficiality and it is silly to say that Hollywood is a fake representation of what is socially ideal. Hollywood represents what is the superficial ideal.
15) There was one study which asked both men and women and the result was 6'1. Thus if you want to please both girls and guys, then do 6'1. The most no of voters (male and female) think the ideal height is 6'1.
16) Guys have an inflated sense of what is ideal height. See misterpoll survey (above). When guys were asked what is the guy ideal height, the answer was above six feet. THis is probably the reason for the divergence of opinions seen in this thread.
In the totality of these evidences, six feet is the ideal height, according to women.
I am very curious what the supremely intelligent males would say about this. Instead of repeating like a broken tape recorder that women are lying (which I have already proved, they are NOT lying), and giving me anecdotal stories about how very tall guys get girls (this is refuted too; if you see the graphs, very tall guys still > very short guys, they are more popular. but six feet is still the most ideal. if you are very tall, it is not such an impediment as, being short).
So I ask the third time, Where is your source? Where is your DATA. ;D ;D
Instead of insinuating repeatedly that I have mental issues or that I am bitter/jealous, let me put it to you that it may be the other way round.
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I think 6'3" is when guys start being in danger of being called "too tall," but for the most part, 6'3" guys are safe and will probably have many women after them solely based on their height. The horrible guy I lived with while I did LL was 6'4.5"...and he was very thin too. I'd say he was "too tall." I think there's much more of a market for "too tall" guys than very short guys (even though there ARE, in fact, women who target short men).
I think 6'1-6'3" is the perfect ideal male height. I'll never see it, but can only imagine how awesome it would be to have my looks on a frame like that! But I'm content with my 5'8" now even though I'm still considered borderline short. Whatever! :P
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6'1 is the coolest to be, cause u're tall for the normal world
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I think 6'3" is when guys start being in danger of being called "too tall," but for the most part, 6'3" guys are safe and will probably have many women after them solely based on their height. The horrible guy I lived with while I did LL was 6'4.5"...and he was very thin too. I'd say he was "too tall." I think there's much more of a market for "too tall" guys than very short guys (even though there ARE, in fact, women who target short men).
I think 6'1-6'3" is the perfect ideal male height. I'll never see it, but can only imagine how awesome it would be to have my looks on a frame like that! But I'm content with my 5'8" now even though I'm still considered borderline short. Whatever! :P
This bolded statement agrees with yougov.uk's opinion survey. 6 feet is fine. 6'3 is too tall. It has been (somewhat) shown that the 3-4 inches above 6 feet are more desirable than the 3-4 inches below.
But if endomorphisme and Meursault want to become 6'1 or 6'2 or 6'3 even, it is their own life. They might be treated less favourably by girls (unlikely girls will say : you are too tall, they just keep it inside subconsciously or semi-consciously).
I would say anything around 6 feet is fine, so 6'1 is fine too. These are ideal heights preferred by women and are not cast in stone (MM said, as long as personality etc is good).
Hence if someone wants more girls, I think it is stupid to go from 6 feet to 6'3 etc. If you want more girls, focus on other aspects (education, wealth, facial aesthetics, grooming, skincare, etc).If the PURPOSE of going from 6' to 6'3 is not girls, but rather to feel tall, then it is his ideal height.
You can easily gain 3 inches from 5'8 to 5'11 or use lifts, That was what I did before LL.
It borderlines on jealousy and bitterness (I think endomorphisme said this) to claim that he wants to lengthen to 188 cm to dominate six feet guys. Come on seriously? 188 cm vs 183 cm is only a 5 cm difference. And a typical basketballer can jump 70 cm+, 5 cm is NOTHING, its not even the length of a flaccid penis.
It is also a ridiculous logic. So a fortiori, a 188 cm guy can dominate a 173 cm guy (15 cm). Possible, but it is asinine. We are not living in the stone age ,and even if we are, the 173 guy can learn martial arts, or build up himself to be stronger than the 188 cm. And it has been shown shorter guys are more agile and shoot better.
That guy was 6'4 ? He finished lengthening at that height? so what was his starting height.
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Honestly, man, I'd love to be like 6'7 or 6'8. That'd be badass--no fks given,
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I guess we will not have any data or logical arguments (without any logical fallacies) that show that 6'5 is the ideal height or yada yada yada. Case closed. ;)
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lol itsmylife, i thought you wanted to leave the forum, and you're still there, not focusing on recovery, but trying to convince us what is good and what is not.
You"re loosing you're time and you're energy, if i were you, i would leave this forum, try not to worry about height and resume a normal life...
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lol itsmylife, i thought you wanted to leave the forum, and you're still there, not focusing on recovery, but trying to convince us what is good and what is not.
You"re loosing you're time and you're energy, if i were you, i would leave this forum, try not to worry about height and resume a normal life...
I just waiting for the evidence. I am only looking at this thread, for your reply ;)
I'm not worried about my height, just worried I am abit too tall for my country.
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Think we can close this thread since there's no evidence that points the other way. Im here on forum just to post this thread :)
BTW it feels good to see my evidence on my signature being repeated 1000+ times in this forum.
Just hope that it can help those people with mental issues (this is not medical advice). They are wayyyy too bitter and too much resentment.
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Unless I get my orgasm from men which I don't (am 200% straight), I base my facts on what women want. It seems like an overwhelming majority of women prefer men who are less than 6'1, and the marginal benefit exponentially levels off after 6'0. This explains why going from 5'7 (1 vote) to 6'0 (57 votes) give you a huge benefit. But there is hardly any significant benefit going from 5'11 to 6'2 - two additional votes. This is what the data suggests. And this is based on what white women think. I prefer Asian, who are exponentially shorter.
Every man do as he chooses but don't be shocked being exactly the same person (or less) you were before your LL surgery. We're only here giving honest opinion.
People tend to have a distorted perspective of beauty. That explains why some women think oversized fake-looking silicon boobs is beautiful and other women get lip injection to make their lips thicker (lol).
I can agree that for most of us, height is what is holding us back. But for others, if you seek advice from a smart family member or friend... or even posting a photo of yourself on a forum and detailing your issues, maybe you can get a better suggested solution to your problem.
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Honestly, man, I'd love to be like 6'7 or 6'8. That'd be badass--no fks given,
lol RRB, your posts are always hilarious. I would NEVER want to to be THAT tall. :D
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I guess we will not have any data or logical arguments (without any logical fallacies) that show that 6'5 is the ideal height or yada yada yada. Case closed. ;)
go to a party, your view on height will change overnight.
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go to a party, your view on height will change overnight.
Been to many, no change in views ???
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lol RRB, your posts are always hilarious. I would NEVER want to to be THAT tall. :D
The max I will go is 190 cm (about 6'3). But THAT would be freakish in my country. And after my research, I think I am better off stopping at six feet.
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lol RRB, your posts are always hilarious. I would NEVER want to to be THAT tall. :D
Lol one of my heroes is strongman Brian Shaw, and he is about that height. Realistically, though, 6'3-6'4 would be the tallest I'd practically want to be. 6'7 would be sweet for a while, but It would get inconvenient.
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The max I will go is 190 cm (about 6'3). But THAT would be freakish in my country. And after my research, I think I am better off stopping at six feet.
Do you consider humerus lengthening as well?
Your starting height is 174 if I remember correrctly, you will look way out of proportions if you really go for 16cms. Whats your wingspan?
Not even I could handle 190 with a wingspan almost this high.
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Do you consider humerus lengthening as well?
Your starting height is 174 if I remember correrctly, you will look way out of proportions if you really go for 16cms. Whats your wingspan?
Not even I could handle 190 with a wingspan almost this high.
He says he doesn't plan on actually lengthening that much--just that 16 cm would be the max he would hypothetically lengthen. He is actually probably aiming for between 8-9 cm to be 183 cm (or 6'0).
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Lol one of my heroes is strongman Brian Shaw, and he is about that height. Realistically, though, 6'3-6'4 would be the tallest I'd practically want to be. 6'7 would be sweet for a while, but It would get inconvenient.
The landlord I lived with while doing LL abroad was 6'4.5". Perhaps he appeared taller because he was so thin, but to me, he was kinda too tall. Even his gf who I met a few times said she felt he was too tall (but she was only like 5'3", even I virtually towered over her lol)
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Yup, I want to be 183 cm now (I used to want 188, or 190 cm). But I started to ask girls and guys about what height is ideal here where I live, and it appears to be 180 cm or thereabouts.
I asked further. Girls here prefer 181 compared to 178, so I think I am good to go.
Again, I am not sure what is the real ideal height in America, but I suspect it is very close to 6 feet.
But if we use what I anecdotally asked girls in Singapore, ie, the ideal height in Singapore is 180-182. Then, if we add 4 cm (due to the differences in average height between USA and here), then the figure becomes 184-186 is the ideal height in America.
But I strongly suspect the ideal height in America is 183 cm (6 feet), same as Singapore and most of Asia (maybe we exclude the shorter Asian nations like China, India) Based on the data. Furthermore, I suspect there are strong mass media and globalisation forces which make 6 feet the ideal height world-wide, except perhaps, The Netherlands (and Norway, etc)
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Today I post additional supporting data, to the maybe seven or more sources:
(http://i57.tinypic.com/30kqfk5.png)
As one can see, 6' is (again?!) the peak. Surely this is not a massive lie by deceitful women? :o
Again, if females are such deceitful liars who want to conceal their love and lust for tall guys, I FAIL TO SEE WHY the 5'5 , 5'6 , 5'7 guys get so much less votes compared to 6 feet guys or above 6 feet.
Tomorrow I will post the other infographic, also from OKCupid (Thanks Meursault)
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"I would love to be 5' 10", because any girls who ONLY want a guy who is 6' are jackasses. Being 5' 10" would allow me to avoid such girls"
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Unless I'm reading the chart wrong, isn't 6'2" the peak there?
Well of course, with online dating ,women discriminate a lot more based on height. I still managed to do really well with online dating, but that's because I have a lot of other things for me (though I claimed 5'7" to try and get my foot in the door, because once I did, I was usually fine) and was able to write compelling and fun profiles. But I can't imagine how many women out there never even saw my profile because they already filtered me out based on height alone.
For the average short man (who is average in other areas), it's better to meet women in real life because they can't gauge your exact height (the number 5'5" sounds bad on paper, I used to always say 5'7" and mostly got away with it), and your confidence/looks can help you more in real life.
Online dating is notoriously cutthroat and superficial. And height is the number one way women will discriminate online, the way we do with women's weight.
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Today I post additional supporting data, to the maybe seven or more sources:
(http://i57.tinypic.com/30kqfk5.png)
As one can see, 6' is (again?!) the peak. Surely this is not a massive lie by deceitful women? :o
Again, if females are such deceitful liars who want to conceal their love and lust for tall guys, I FAIL TO SEE WHY the 5'5 , 5'6 , 5'7 guys get so much less votes compared to 6 feet guys or above 6 feet.
Tomorrow I will post the other infographic, also from OKCupid (Thanks Meursault)
I have a problem with your chart, and it has to do with the way it's scaled. There is a minute difference in absolute percentage terms from 5 10" to 6' 2", but the way the graph is scaled makes it look like a significant difference.
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Unless I'm reading the chart wrong, isn't 6'2" the peak there?
Well of course, with online dating ,women discriminate a lot more based on height. I still managed to do really well with online dating, but that's because I have a lot of other things for me (though I claimed 5'7" to try and get my foot in the door, because once I did, I was usually fine) and was able to write compelling and fun profiles. But I can't imagine how many women out there never even saw my profile because they already filtered me out based on height alone.
For the average short man (who is average in other areas), it's better to meet women in real life because they can't gauge your exact height (the number 5'5" sounds bad on paper, I used to always say 5'7" and mostly got away with it), and your confidence/looks can help you more in real life.
Online dating is notoriously cutthroat and superficial. And height is the number one way women will discriminate online, the way we do with women's weight.
I had a good looking guy tell me that being good looking isn't that good after all cos some girls might be after you for your looks.
Perhaps the same logic might apply to height. But either way, I live only once so I guess I will go for the best height I can. I will always age later, and look worse, etc, that will filter away the superficial ones.
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and yup, sorry careless mistake. When you have 7 sources or more telling you the ideal height is six feet, you get caught up. Yup, it is 6'2 there. So I think the ideal is anywhere from 6' to 6'2. But one must realise that for online dating, some people inflate their height. So probably the real ideal is actually still six feet (ie, women who meet 6'2 guys realise they are actually 6'. And women who meet 6' guys realise they are shy of 6'). Again, this is pure conjecture.
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I have a problem with your chart, and it has to do with the way it's scaled. There is a minute difference in absolute percentage terms from 5 10" to 6' 2", but the way the graph is scaled makes it look like a significant difference.
That's true, thanks for the observation. So, as I said any height from 6' or thereabouts is probably fine.
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Thing I wanna bring out from this graph, is that, there is a ceiling effect, as observed by other researchers.
Ie, yes, men can be "too tall" for comfort.
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I had a good looking guy tell me that being good looking isn't that good after all cos some girls might be after you for your looks.
Perhaps the same logic might apply to height. But either way, I live only once so I guess I will go for the best height I can. I will always age later, and look worse, etc, that will filter away the superficial ones.
Being good looking is what saved me from having to date unattractive girls despite being very short. So I thank God it at least got that naturally...
I want women to like me because they're attracted to me and because they like my personality. It's all part of the package. I figure, if I can go to the gym and manipulate my body and look good, I want the height too. It's just like I might date a girl that had a nose job but previously I may not have attracted to her. Cosmetic surgery is mainly to help our own confidence and how we feel about ourselves, but if it gives us more dating options, that's just icing on the cake.
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Being good looking is what saved me from having to date unattractive girls despite being very short. So I thank God it at least got that naturally...
I want women to like me because they're attracted to me and because they like my personality. It's all part of the package. I figure, if I can go to the gym and manipulate my body and look good, I want the height too. It's just like I might date a girl that had a nose job but previously I may not have attracted to her. Cosmetic surgery is mainly to help our own confidence and how we feel about ourselves, but if it gives us more dating options, that's just icing on the cake.
I'm right with you Yellow. The idea of a girl setting a minimum height filter on a dating site at 6' makes me cringe at the thought of such shallow girl, and I would never want to encounter or talk to that type of person. I also would want a girl who falls for my personality.
I can only understand a girl doing that if the girl is very tall herself.
Also, The chart posted is very telling for two reasons.
1. TALL is NOT a huge advantage, otherwise the percentage would have jumped more at 6' plus
2. 5' 7" and up seems like the place to be, but even the difference between 5' 5" and 6' 2" in absolute percentage terms is not that huge. 5' 5" guys still have a chance!
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(http://i57.tinypic.com/30kqfk5.png)
The ideal height shown in this graph is 6'2 and 6'5 to 6'8. The percentage of contacts by women levels off between 6'2 to 6'5 by a curve, so you must be either exactly 6'2 or 6'5 to 6'8 and not somewhere in between or less/more than these height to get the highest percentage of contact by female.
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I'm right with you Yellow. The idea of a girl setting a minimum height filter on a dating site at 6' makes me cringe at the thought of such shallow girl, and I would never want to encounter or talk to that type of person. I also would want a girl who falls for my personality.
I can only understand a girl doing that if the girl is very tall herself.
Also, The chart posted is very telling for two reasons.
1. TALL is NOT a huge advantage, otherwise the percentage would have jumped more at 6' plus
2. 5' 7" and up seems like the place to be, but even the difference between 5' 5" and 6' 2" in absolute percentage terms is not that huge. 5' 5" guys still have a chance!
I agree with pretty much everything you said...but being tall is a huge advantage (all else being equal), particularly with online dating. But as we said, who would want to marry a woman who filters out based on that?
5'7"+ isn't bad as long as you have other things going for you. It's below 5'7" when things start to get really bad and you're always called out for being short.
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The ideal height shown in this graph is 6'2 and 6'5 to 6'8. The percentage of contacts by women levels off between 6'2 to 6'5 by a curve, so you must be either exactly 6'2 or 6'5 to 6'8 and not somewhere in between or less/more than these height to get the highest percentage of contact by female.
Urrgghh! What the fruck guys? Why do we need such a huge dating pool? Do you have enough time to date each and every one of the millions of girls in a 6' 2" man's dating pool?
I just want one girl at a time please lol. I don't need tens of millions in this "dating pool".
I'm sorry, but I'm just getting sick of this fantasy idea of a "HUGE DATING POOL".
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The ideal height shown in this graph is 6'2 and 6'5 to 6'8. The percentage of contacts by women levels off between 6'2 to 6'5 by a curve, so you must be either exactly 6'2 or 6'5 to 6'8 and not somewhere in between or less/more than these height to get the highest percentage of contact by female.
yeap but probably since straight guys inflate their heights, 6'2 on a dating app might well be 6'1 or 6'. So we can bring this data to co-relate to the other data that we have.
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Urrgghh! What the fruck guys? Why do we need such a huge dating pool? Do you have enough time to date each and every one of the millions of girls in a 6' 2" man's dating pool?
I just want one girl at a time please lol. I don't need tens of millions in this "dating pool".
I'm sorry, but I'm just getting sick of this fantasy idea of a "HUGE DATING POOL".
he is just reading the data.
as you pointed out, the percentages are not significant. so I doubt a guy who is 6' and lengthens to 6'5 would have much benefit (or even negative disadvantage accrues)
this "heightism" has been rsearched extensively. the effects are not as drastic as "sexism" and "racism". Given that sexcism and racism are at decades-low levels, I think heightism is not such a factor UNLESS you are very short.
as MM said, she could possibly date a guy as long as she clicks with him... doesn't have to be 5'10 or what, though its PREFERABLE.
similarly, I wouldn't date a girl who is obese, because she just shows no interest in taking care of herself and that is utter laziness. This is probably different from the idea of height, but you get the drift. someone totally too obese, would be out of the equation. someone who is average or slightly above average, might fit the bill, eg if she is wealthy etc...
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NEVER do LL solely to increase your dating pool. While it's nice to have more options for hookups, the right woman won't care how tall you are/were. Do LL for you and yourself only. More dating options is only a bonus.
I can't imagine mentally going through the torture that is LL with women as my only motivator. There's no way I would have made it. I was doing well with women before LL. This was for me because I was the one who hated being super short.
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NEVER do LL solely to increase your dating pool. While it's nice to have more options for hookups, the right woman won't care how tall you are/were. Do LL for you and yourself only. More dating options is only a bonus.
I can't imagine mentally going through the torture that is LL with women as my only motivator. There's no way I would have made it. I was doing well with women before LL. This was for me because I was the one who hated being super short.
I totally agree.
I do LL only for myself because I wanna feel tall in my country. Its always been a dream since young to be of average height at least. I was 171, and slowly after 18 I pushed my way up to 174-ish. That was pretty much average here. BUT I got greedy. I started wearing lifts. Lifts made me feel tall and I really liked it to be around 180 as I was with lifts. It became a horror to take off my lifts. In a sense, lifts made me do LL. I wanna stand with slippers, tall at 180+.
It doesn't help that recently the younger generation appear to be taller and taller. I don't know if it is just me, but the numbers seem static. Probably just a distorted perception due to my height dysphoria.
The bonuses are probably better career, more leadership options and greater dating pool. But I never really thought of them as motivators. The MAIN REASON was I wanted to be lifts-free.
Lifting made me feel so weird.. as if I was living a lie. I was tall, yes, but it was not my flesh. And when (trust me there are many) 185 guys tower over me, I feel even worse. Because it is all lifts below my feet. If I were 183, and a 188 cm guy stands next to me, I wont even care, cause I am tall by definition. I am tall WITHOUT LIFTS.
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I don t see how the ayi graph works, any idea??
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I don t see how the ayi graph works, any idea??
Supremely intelligent comments, he is back.
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Urrgghh! What the fruck guys? Why do we need such a huge dating pool? Do you have enough time to date each and every one of the millions of girls in a 6' 2" man's dating pool?
I just want one girl at a time please lol. I don't need tens of millions in this "dating pool".
I'm sorry, but I'm just getting sick of this fantasy idea of a "HUGE DATING POOL".
Yeah, I was just reading the chart. The chart is obviously flawed as it pinpoints to a specific height and not to a range. Women don't make selections that way. They usually have cutoffs like I would only date guys between 5'8 to 6'2, etc. Just as men don't specifically ask women to be exactly 120lb and no more no less. We usually don't want to be over 200lb or under 90lb.
And like Itsmylife mentioned, the data could be distorted due to men's tendency to cheat and exaggerate their true height so they can get more replies.
And you are right.. unless the guy is a sex fiend and have a lot of time on hand, I don't see how you can't possibly be happy with one girlfriend as a time. Unless you are outright undesirable, I don't see how hard it is to find a girlfriend, provided you have adequate social skill and don't come off as a hazard to someone's safety.
yeap but probably since straight guys inflate their heights, 6'2 on a dating app might well be 6'1 or 6'. So we can bring this data to co-relate to the other data that we have.
Yeah, I too round up my height to 5'10 on some dating website. And this is when I measure myself barefooted. But there is undoubtedly people who measure their height with shoes and lifts (like most Hong Kong celebrities). I can also imagine some desperate soul on dating website to trying to exaggerate his height 2-3 inches in order to get more replies from girls.
I don t see how the ayi graph works, any idea??
sarcasm.
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I'm right with you Yellow. The idea of a girl setting a minimum height filter on a dating site at 6' makes me cringe at the thought of such shallow girl, and I would never want to encounter or talk to that type of person. I also would want a girl who falls for my personality.
I can only understand a girl doing that if the girl is very tall herself.
Also, The chart posted is very telling for two reasons.
1. TALL is NOT a huge advantage, otherwise the percentage would have jumped more at 6' plus
2. 5' 7" and up seems like the place to be, but even the difference between 5' 5" and 6' 2" in absolute percentage terms is not that huge. 5' 5" guys still have a chance!
I think it is honestly too flattering to call a girl who only dates men over 6'0 tall "shallow". Shallowness has to do with looks and appearance, while height is literally the size of your appearance and not appearance itself. That isn't what these women are doing. Turning down an otherwise good-looking, sexy, confident, etc. guy because he's short is like turning down a free Lamborghini because it isn't your favorite color. It is flat out brain damaged and retarded--not shallow.
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Supremely intelligent comments, he is back.
so could you explain why someone who is 6'2 is 57% more likely to get contacted?
A guy who is 5'5 or less will never get contactED by a woman even if she is ugly and fat, there is noway a guy this tall is attractive to girls, altleast on dating website.
So could you explain, how a very short man is 9% likely to get contactED and a talL man, only 14%?
The percentile are not absolute.
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so could you explain why someone who is 6'2 is 57% more likely to get contacted?
A guy who is 5'5 or less will never get contactED by a woman even if she is ugly and fat, there is noway a guy this tall is attractive to girls, altleast on dating website.
So could you explain, how a very short man is 9% likely to get contactED and a talL man, only 14%?
The percentile are not absolute.
I think most women filter for at least 5'8" and above. I did well with online dating, but I also lied and said I was 5'7" when I was 5'5.5" at best. I only got caught when three different 5'7" girls asked me out (one I think cared, the other two I dated for a while, and they were both hot).
Height is the number one thing women use to discriminate in terms of online dating. In real life, no one knows your exact height...but on "paper"/an online profile...below 5'8" looks really bad. Even 5'8" is borderline, but I was on all the dating sites over the years, and it seemed that most women (including attractive ones) are ok with around 5'8" and above.
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I think most women filter for at least 5'8" and above. I did well with online dating, but I also lied and said I was 5'7" when I was 5'5.5" at best. I only got caught when three different 5'7" girls asked me out (one I think cared, the other two I dated for a while, and they were both hot).
Height is the number one thing women use to discriminate in terms of online dating. In real life, no one knows your exact height...but on "paper"/an online profile...below 5'8" looks really bad. Even 5'8" is borderline, but I was on all the dating sites over the years, and it seemed that most women (including attractive ones) are ok with around 5'8" and above.
The good thing is that if you do get "caught" for lying about two or so inches of height, you can always just say that you didn't really know you height and just estimated.
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Get a woman drunk and your height won't matter. Alcohol makes women throw their height standards out the window just like it makes men okay with banging fat chicks.
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Get a woman drunk and your height won't matter. Alcohol makes women throw their height standards out the window just like it makes men okay with banging fat chicks.
I think genuine confidence is the way to go. I was confident in every other aspect of myself except my stupid height, and girls (even after hooking up with them) would sometimes give me sh*t for it. And even though it was good-natured (and I acted like it didn't bother me), it annoyed me.
However, when it comes to online dating (which is where I would say most dating takes place nowadays), women can't gauge your "Confidence" and you can't get them drunk from reading your profile. So height would still be an issue. And women have it easier with dating (especially under 30 and attractive women), so if the want to wait around for someone who ticks all their boxes, they have more opportunities to do that than we do. Take two people of equal attractive "levels" and place them side-by-side. Except, one is a man, and one is a woman. Who do you think is getting more dating opportunities? The woman. Just the way it is, and another motivator for me to do LL (not for women per se, but I didn't want to feel like any attractive woman I dated had so much power over me).
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I think genuine confidence is the way to go. I was confident in every other aspect of myself except my stupid height, and girls (even after hooking up with them) would sometimes give me sh*t for it. And even though it was good-natured (and I acted like it didn't bother me), it annoyed me.
However, when it comes to online dating (which is where I would say most dating takes place nowadays), women can't gauge your "Confidence" and you can't get them drunk from reading your profile. So height would still be an issue. And women have it easier with dating (especially under 30 and attractive women), so if the want to wait around for someone who ticks all their boxes, they have more opportunities to do that than we do. Take two people of equal attractive "levels" and place them side-by-side. Except, one is a man, and one is a woman. Who do you think is getting more dating opportunities? The woman. Just the way it is, and another motivator for me to do LL (not for women per se, but I didn't want to feel like any attractive woman I dated had so much power over me).
That's the reason why women who sleep around a lot are called sluts and degraded and men who sleep around a lot are called smooth and admired by peers. It takes no effort for a woman to get laid but a lot of effort for guys to get laid, even conventionally attractive ones.
Good points. I don't have a problem with lying about my height online though. Women automatically assume a guy is shorter than he lists anyway and boosting your height keeps you out of the block filter.
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That's the reason why women who sleep around a lot are called sluts and degraded and men who sleep around a lot are called smooth and admired by peers. It takes no effort for a woman to get laid but a lot of effort for guys to get laid, even conventionally attractive ones.
Good points. I don't have a problem with lying about my height online though. Women automatically assume a guy is shorter than he lists anyway and boosting your height keeps you out of the block filter.
100% agree on the slut vs. stud observation. But I still think that women have it easier in dating (serious dating, as in, not just sleeping around) regardless. Most women won't make the first move, so even a relatively unattractive woman is going to get more offers to date than a relatively unattractive guy. Though this changes as women enter their 30s.
And lying about your height I agree with an inch or two is fine...but be careful with tallish women who may contact you. Because if they're the same height as you, they'll know you're lying, then know you're insecure, and we know that's an automatic turn off.
I think attraction goes something like this:
For Men, a Woman's Attraction Level = Looks x (Personality + Hobbies + Career + etc.). So, if a woman isn't attractive to the guy in question, attraction goes to 0. "Confidence" and career/money and such isn't important to me and most men I know. As long as I find a woman physically attractive and she's got a decent personality (from what I can gauge early on), she's a contender.
For Women, a Man's Attraction Level = Height + Confidence + Money/Status + Looks. Actually, I would almost argue (for a good amount of women out there) that Height is the "multiplier" in this equation (like Looks are in the one for how we find women attractive or not), so if you're not tall enough, a woman's attraction for you goes to 0. Although sometimes confidence and other stuff can sway women. With men, if there's no initial attraction, the girl stays in the friend zone, I'd say.
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so could you explain why someone who is 6'2 is 57% more likely to get contacted?
A guy who is 5'5 or less will never get contactED by a woman even if she is ugly and fat, there is noway a guy this tall is attractive to girls, altleast on dating website.
So could you explain, how a very short man is 9% likely to get contactED and a talL man, only 14%?
The percentile are not absolute.
are you drunk?
I understand (we all do) taller is better, but UNTIL a certain point. And that point is 6'2.
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Looking at the poll, six feet and 6'1 are the most ideal height (as voted):
5'11"- 1 (4.2%)
6'- 10 (41.7%)
6'1"- 11 (45.8%)
Shorter than 5'11"- 0 (0%)
Taller than 6'1"- 2 (8.3%)
Only 2 voters voted for taller than 6'1 and I suspect they are endomorphisme and Meursault who are proponents of 6'5 (or thereabouts) being the ideal.
This is yet another evidence that the ideal lies somewhere between 6' and 6'1... :D
UNLESS Meursault and endomorphisme and short7guy would want to claim that the girls AND boys are lying ;)
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Height is the number one thing women use to discriminate in terms of online dating. In real life, no one knows your exact height...but on "paper"/an online profile...below 5'8" looks really bad. Even 5'8" is borderline, but I was on all the dating sites over the years, and it seemed that most women (including attractive ones) are ok with around 5'8" and above.
This is perfect example of why more emphasis gets put on height that it deserves.
Looks still trump everything in general but it is entirely subjective and impossible to grade on paper as you can't write the description or specify handsomeness or prettiness. Even if you say 'dark', there are many attractive people that are pale (and uglies that are dark) and even if you say 'sharp features' there are many attractive people that have round faces (and uglies with sharp features). With height you can say 'tall' and/or over 5'10" (or whatever) and everyone will understand you universally making it the easiest thing to use as a selection factor.
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This is perfect example of why more emphasis gets put on height that it deserves.
Looks still trump everything in general but it is entirely subjective and impossible to grade on paper as you can't write the description or specify handsomeness or prettiness. Even if you say 'dark', there are many attractive people that are pale (and uglies that are dark) and even if you say 'sharp features' there are many attractive people that have round faces (and uglies with sharp features). With height you can say 'tall' and/or over 5'10" (or whatever) and everyone will understand you universally making it the easiest thing to use as a selection factor.
I think a lot of it has to do with post-modern feminism. Women have pretty much just as much power as we now do (good for them!). However, as a result, many women have become pickier than ever. Trust me, I know...I've dated many different types of women...some feminist-types, some more traditional. But what I've noticed (with almost all of them) is that you have to dominate a woman as much as possible these days (earn more money than her, be physically stronger, and of course, be taller). Obviously there are many exceptions to this, and when you meet the right person, a lot of these "rules" go out the window. But modern women aren't like our mothers and grandmothers. It's a different world. Dating is very cutthroat and competitive.
I think looks trump everything so long as you're not too short (below 5'7"), depending on the woman's height.
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I think a lot of it has to do with post-modern feminism. Women have pretty much just as much power as we now do (good for them!). However, as a result, many women have become pickier than ever. Trust me, I know...I've dated many different types of women...some feminist-types, some more traditional. But what I've noticed (with almost all of them) is that you have to dominate a woman as much as possible these days (earn more money than her, be physically stronger, and of course, be taller). Obviously there are many exceptions to this, and when you meet the right person, a lot of these "rules" go out the window. But modern women aren't like our mothers and grandmothers. It's a different world. Dating is very cutthroat and competitive.
I think looks trump everything so long as you're not too short (below 5'7"), depending on the woman's height.
If you are dominant in other ways, height doesn't matter. Women like height because they think it conveys dominance (even though it doesn't); so, to be "tall", you have to be dominant. Case in point: when you are walking through a crowd, do you move around people, or do you push them out of the way to make room for yourself? The dominant person makes room for himself, while the weak, submissive person moves around the people.
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If you are dominant in other ways, height doesn't matter. Women like height because they think it conveys dominance (even though it doesn't); so, to be "tall", you have to be dominant. Case in point: when you are walking through a crowd, do you move around people, or do you push them out of the way to make room for yourself? The dominant person makes room for himself, while the weak, submissive person moves around the people.
I agree. And I did notice that once I adjusted my confidence/way I carry myself, I did well with women despite my height. But it was still an uphill battle on the inside, and "confidence/acting dominant" doesn't work on all women. And it definitely doesn't work with online dating (where a lot of dating/hooking up takes place these days), because they can't gauge your "confidence" from your profile (although I did make one profile where I was blatantly a dck on POF, and I got lots of hookups from that. I gear my profiles to a target audience I suppose).
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I agree. And I did notice that once I adjusted my confidence/way I carry myself, I did well with women despite my height. But it was still an uphill battle on the inside, and "confidence/acting dominant" doesn't work on all women. And it definitely doesn't work with online dating (where a lot of dating/hooking up takes place these days), because they can't gauge your "confidence" from your profile (although I did make one profile where I was blatantly a dck on POF, and I got lots of hookups from that. I gear my profiles to a target audience I suppose).
Well, yeah, being self-assured won't work with all women, but it will with a lot (just like being good-looking and rich won't work with all women). With online dating, you just put 10'0 as your height. If they ask you your height, say 10'0.
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Well, yeah, being self-assured won't work with all women, but it will with a lot (just like being good-looking and rich won't work with all women). With online dating, you just put 10'0 as your height. If they ask you your height, say 10'0.
hahaha! I actually think they cap off the height at something like 7'11" on Match.com if I'm remembering correctly.
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Women will always follow the crowds. Thats why they keep calling 6'0 as ideal hght. This makes me think that maybe they dont care too much about height as we men do (specially us, old forum LL Forum BodyBF).Also, think about how most of the girls want to lose weight so bad. The skinnier the better they think as we got our the taller the better, which is actually true, but there's a limit.
Btw stop focusing just on girls when it comes about LL, this whole thread has come to "what would girls think about my new hght" and soon the whole forum.
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Women will always follow the crowds. Thats why they keep calling 6'0 as ideal hght. This makes me think that maybe they dont care too much about height as we men do (specially us, old forum LL Forum BodyBF).Also, think about how most of the girls want to lose weight so bad. The skinnier the better they think as we got our the taller the better, which is actually true, but there's a limit.
Btw stop focusing just on girls when it comes about LL, this whole thread has come to "what would girls think about my new hght" and soon the whole forum.
Agreed
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Agreed
I agree. For everything, there is a limit. Too much, is not good.
Only 2 members chose above 6'1 as the ideal height, in fact. Out of 25 voters.
So the consensus between male and female is that either 6' or 6'1 is the ideal.
Case closed.
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I guess many people here didn't vote for 'above 6'1' because they know, they are never going to acciev this height.
Anyways it's dumb to argue about things like beauty and aestethics. What is considered as ideal depends on many parameters and is a very personal thing. Doing a poll about that won't make any difference, I for instance consider 6'2 as ideal and there is no way a poll or article could change my mind. I would not waste my time and try to persuade others of my personal opinion. Just accept that different people have different opinions.
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I guess many people here didn't vote for 'above 6'1' because they know, they are never going to acciev this height.
Anyways it's dumb to argue about things like beauty and aestethics. What is considered as ideal depends on many parameters and is a very personal thing. Doing a poll about that won't make any difference, I for instance consider 6'2 as ideal and there is no way a poll or article could change my mind. I would not waste my time and try to persuade others of my personal opinion. Just accept that different people have different opinions.
If a survey was done and women voted on the survey, then we can safely say that "x centimetres" is the ideal height if you are interested in women.
It seems from UK and USA surveys that x = 183 or lower.
If you are interested in men, its a different game altogether.
If you are doing surgery for yourself, then 6'2 is not a problem.
I could in theory reach 6'2 but I wouldn't want that. I want to look good in women's eyes and in my society, 6'2 stands out way too much as well.
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I agree that it's something different in an asian country.
You'd look out of proportion as well, if your starting height was 174.
I prefere girls who are close to 180 so this might explain why 6'2 would be ideal for me.
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I agree that it's something different in an asian country.
You'd look out of proportion as well, if your starting height was 174.
Yup my country is one of the tallest ones in asia - official average at 172+ but I think and my friends think its more like 175.
183 already is top 10 percent or so, and I am more than happy with that.
In fact, at 179 now I am pretty happy, and even if I cannot lengthen anymore, 179 is a good height in Asia.
I have long arms, and a long torso. The only limiting factor is wingspan (wingspan of 174). But if I do arm lengthening, then yes theoretically 188 is possible.
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@Itsmylife
I thought you left the forum, anyways, I'm glad you decided against it.
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Who is the other person who voted for 185 cm and up
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Who is the other person who voted for 185 cm and up
I did
My status says my dream height is 187 but id rather be 188, I´m just realistic because I won´t get there anyways without compromising my athletic abilities too much.
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I did
My status says my dream height is 187 but id rather be 188, I´m just realistic because I won´t get there anyways without compromising my athletic abilities too much.
how tall are you at night?
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I did
My status says my dream height is 187 but id rather be 188, I´m just realistic because I won´t get there anyways without compromising my athletic abilities too much.
188 is an ideal height to feel tall, but 183 is the most ideal height if your surgery is for women's sake
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@Itsmylife
I thought you left the forum, anyways, I'm glad you decided against it.
im more or less only posting on this thread to clear up any distorted mindset
recently I was on a flight back to Singapore from Moscow, and a sizeable number were on transit to Australia (Brisbane).
Australians aren't very tall, mostly averaged 178-ish.
This corresponds with my data.
And yes, I was one of the taller ones on the flight :D
I was standing at about 181 cm as I had 1 inch heels.
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im more or less only posting on this thread to clear up any distorted mindset
recently I was on a flight back to Singapore from Moscow, and a sizeable number were on transit to Australia (Brisbane).
Australians aren't very tall, mostly averaged 178-ish.
This corresponds with my data.
And yes, I was one of the taller ones on the flight :D
I was standing at about 181 cm as I had 1 inch heels.
So you wear lift, how confortable you feel in them, i never wore them but i would like to try to be taller by a good inch.
I'm used to wearing normal shoes that only add 2-2.5 cm which is , on average, what most shoes give, so assuming that, i will have to wear shoes that give 5 cm, to look 2.5 cm taller.
So, does it hurt your feet, your back?...
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So you wear lift, how confortable you feel in them, i never wore them but i would like to try to be taller by a good inch.
I'm used to wearing normal shoes that only add 2-2.5 cm which is , on average, what most shoes give, so assuming that, i will have to wear shoes that give 5 cm, to look 2.5 cm taller.
So, does it hurt your feet, your back?...
I agree that it is better for U to wear lifts and see whether you REALLY want LL, cos' ur already above average.
I didn't wear lifts on my flight back to Singapore, only 1 inch heels.
Yup, ur right about that. normal shoes only add 1-2 cm. basketball shoes add maybe 2 cm+
My back is fine, feet doesn't hurt. I can wear it whole day.
I really think if you wanna be 188 cm for girls, is a bad idea. If 188 cm to feel tall, that's alright!
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how tall are you at night?
I am always between 179-177 (morning/evening).
I really think if you wanna be 188 cm for girls, is a bad idea. If 188 cm to feel tall, that's alright!
I never considered dating when I thought about this surgery, since I never had any difficulties with girls whatsoever, in fact many girls acutally told me that they liked my height. I only do it for my self and I don´t think I´ll scare girls off just because I gained some cm´s.
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I am always between 179-177 (morning/evening).I never considered dating when I thought about this surgery, since I never had any difficulties with girls whatsoever, in fact many girls acutally told me that they liked my height. I only do it for my self and I don´t think I´ll scare girls off just because I gained some cm´s.
u wont scare girls. but maybe a little less popular (based on statistics).
not sure if it is even significant.
if your aim is to make urself happy then by all means...
@MM: hello :D
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u wont scare girls. but maybe a little less popular (based on statistics).
not sure if it is even significant.
if your aim is to make urself happy then by all means...
@MM: hello :D
less popular because of 2 inch and because of statistics? Jesus you really think a girl will look if he's perfectly 6'0, no more no less? If a girl likes you others will follow the crowd, they all follow the crowd cause they don't want to be/get someone inferior to ideal
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less popular because of 2 inch and because of statistics? Jesus you really think a girl will look if he's perfectly 6'0, no more no less? If a girl likes you others will follow the crowd, they all follow the crowd cause they don't want to be/get someone inferior to ideal
A lot of women also don't really know what 6'0 looks like. A lean, muscular guys who's 5'10 can easily pass off as 6'0. I've had some girls think I'm 5'10 myself lol.
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A lot of women also don't really know what 6'0 looks like. A lean, muscular guys who's 5'10 can easily pass off as 6'0. I've had some girls think I'm 5'10 myself lol.
When I was 166cm (though I will concede that evening I was wearing shoes that had a nice heel, but not elevator shoes), one girl thought I was 5'9". Needless to say, I didn't correct her.
I think it's only the taller girls (starting at around 5'6" and up) that are better able to tell a guy's height. To short girls, almost all guys seem "tall."
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I am quite worried of exceeding the "normal" range in Asia, cause I can date the best of both worlds (boys and girls):P
I would say guys are very accurate at guessing height.
I am also always on the basketball court and it feels sucky to be one of the shorter players. Once I am done I expect to be pretty tall for a neighbourhood court.
Many shooting guards in NBA like ALlen Iverson are around my future height. The fact that they even made it to NBA (which is not my dream) proves that you DONT HAVE to be so tall to play semi-pro.
Also, 6' is the lower end for many positions in NCAA and NBA draft. (I read a book on NBA conditioning). It is a possible height for basketball. Hell even 5'9 isn't a problem if you play well, but just saying that 6' should be pretty common.
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Let me Quote a source:
Interestingly, there seems to be a “ceiling effect” where tall males (over 6 feet) suffer a decrease in fitness. That is, women tend to find extremely tall men less attractive. This has been noted by several researchers. Women tend to prefer men of a medium stature over really tall men or really short men. In a study by Graziano et. al. (1978) similar results showed that men of medium height (5’9″- 5’11”) were rated as more attractive over shorter (5’5″- 5’7″) or taller men (6’2″- 6’4″), regardless of the height of the women (4’10”- 6’1″).
Let us also combine this with PDF files from endomorphisme that show that the average height has not went up by more than 0.8 cm. So, yes, the ideal is 183 cm if you are looking for women.
Endomorphisme, shor7guy, Meursault can continue to disregard this academic evidence.
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Did the study include all the hot chicks or a random girl?
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Where are my sanatorium patients?
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If we are talking about looks, I will agree that 6'0 - 6'1 are the most attractive heights, but not everything in this life is about getting sex (but definitely vastly more important than the mainstream media says). Other important things for an ambitious male include career and athleticism. In those aspects, 6'0-6-1 are an advantage and good enough, but not ideal. Taking a more holistic look at life and not just the dating scene, I want to say 6'5 is the ideal height. Taller than 99.9 males worldwide, marked advantage in sports (tall enough to go pro in any sport, even NBA and professional volleyball), great advantage in politics and business professions. Not too tall to make daily life a MAJOR inconvenience. maybe less ideal for women, but it's not like they will avoid you like the plague. (unless you are ugly, but assuming average in other aspect of life).
...so considering dating, business, politics, sports (recreational or otherwise) I believe 6'5 is the absolute ideal.
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Lol...
So, i'm 6'1 and i got a girlfriend, when i was 5'9(i was ugly and nerd) now i'm the more strong and most tall of my school class. (and beauty and height is more high than average of my school)
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if you really thought 6foot was ideal you wouldnt fell the need to spend hours on end proving it to everybody. 6foot is probably the most you can reach cus of your arm span or sitting height, which is why your saying 6foot is ideal. Either this or your a troll.
One fundamental mistake you keep making is, when females are asked about looks, they'll say what they think is ideal in terms of LTR. Now, their pussy's think differently to their heads, cus their pussy's want ideal STR, not LTR. 6foot may be the ideal for LTR, but I can assure you a female will be more sxxually attracted to a 6foot5 man than a 6foot one. Of course I can't prove this, cus there's no tests done. All I can say is I've been to a fair share of parties, and the taller the better is how it works, no limit. Here's some logic for you - it's been proven when girls want STR, they want the most dominant men (alpha male). Height is directly correlated with dominance, so by that logic, the taller you are the more sxx appeal you have.
Ask girls who they find most handsome, and they'll say some guy like this at 6foot tall:
(http://www.tsquirrel.com/_data/photos/2015/02/thumbs/5153__jamie-dornan_jamie-dornan-you-will-find-the-best-topics-and-images-.jpg)
Now, go to a party, and the hotties will be banging a guy who looks like this at 6foot5:
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/4f4dd167c39d134d1312d1107992bb80/tumblr_ngbh3iZJ9H1ssyz7vo2_500.jpg)
(http://40.media.tumblr.com/90e6aff97ea0fb4c0c65b565b90e444f/tumblr_nf2cufa8rY1ssyz7vo4_500.jpg)
Anybody with life experience knows what I said is 100% true.
she'd likely prefer a mate that can survive a major world war waged with modern weapons (massive target could reasonably expect to be shot by a long range weapon).
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There are so many more ''nuances'': this depends on a lot of things, including seasonal trends! There was a time in which in some latin countries for ladies it was said "fat is beauty'' or something better translated. It also depends hugely on the amount of the sample, for example.
And height its often surpassed by another variant in females preferences...it's not nice but that's...money or some form of equivalence: power, prestige, fame...I remember a huge study made in an American university when I studied a chapter of Anthropology whose results were many but in synthesis, for women, the most important aspect of atractiveness in men is that (money, power, prestige, etc.), over height (I don't remember in which place height was). Yes, guys: POWER and MONEY is what we need to get as the most powerful aphrodisiac! (Well, it surely helps not to be considered short, BUT, by them! (not exactly us, except if we have an incurable (out of CLL) height neurosis).
And for males, the most important first atractiveness aspect in women was physical sensuality (not even face ''beauty'', it was things more like boobs, large tights and nice, big ass).
To ilustrate how this height value preference may be diverse, I also quote and reference:
" 5ft 8in is the ideal height for a man.
Dating app Badoo has revealed the most right-swiped heights based on their users aged 18 to 30. "
Note that this is not an average that could even correspond to not a single woman preferences. This is really the height that the highest number of real women in the UK prefer.
Also, " 5′8″ Is the average height for a NAVY SEAL "
Maybe they just don't like feeling a super high arm "falling" with the hand on their shoulder....or not being able to give a normal ugg!
Remember also that
The average males height in the is USA is 5"" 9,3 while in the UK is taller: 5"10,1
So, "please", a mother would say: those of you with 5"8, 5,9'', 6''00 (or even 5"7 using elevator shoes or insoles) and depending on country of residence), don't risk your body, don't waste your time and money in LL! (This is personal opinion, not judgement of others, I understand there are other issues often involved)
(Even if your concern is not girls, think deeply on this matter...)
Improve yourself in other matters: learn languages, improve your style, get counselling or yoga or whatever to feel more secure and better self esteem when you are with girls, at your job, etc. Buy a nice car. Travel with your girlfriend. And when you are nked with no insoles surely she will not stop loving you for 1 inch, if are good to her and show you love her!
Regarding myself, I am so far from 5"8 that I really decided about LL as soon as I can and will stay around in this forum....
Sources:
https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/dating/most-attractive-height-for-man-woman-a3846246.html
https://tall.life/height-percentile-calculator-age-country/
Navy Seals : Quora after Google search. Link doesn't stick
PS-Has anybody have ever heard of a Navy Seal that is not considered atractive by a woman just because he's ''short''??
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6 ft 1(185) at lowest or before bed ,is good enough for everything
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Go for your goal, isn't it 6"2? And 6"3 is even better. As long as you can walk normally everything will be just perfect, no? What else do you need in life? You will be literally "superior" to 97,8% of men in the US.