Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: leechlet on December 15, 2013, 02:33:07 PM
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Hi Guys!
I started making a diary on the old forum old forum but to inject a little competition and most importantly to offer ppl a choice between two forums, I will also share my experiences here.
If you don't want to read posts made on old forum because you are loyal to this forum, that's totally cool. I decided to document my future experiences via youtube videos so that I can remain neutral to either alliance.
Here is my youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-QDvs2oGLchT7J_QCWoYRA
If you can't find it, just youtube "leechlet femur guichet 2014"
As I offered to people on the old forum, please feel free to skype me any time at leechletll
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Glad to see you here, your diary is going to be hugely important since it's one of the few video diaries out there.
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Hmm, seems like that YouTube forum plugin thing didn't understand your channel link, here's a working one:
http:// /leechletll
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Hi!
Thanks for the kind support. My mood have been a roller coaster today. I will embed the videos below in the order it was created
Consultation and arrival in Italy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYMvyFZCWUI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYMvyFZCWUI)
Surgery date and training plan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUZVi9CbtsU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUZVi9CbtsU)
Key to a successful limb lengthening:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6haRwZU63mI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6haRwZU63mI)
first height related mental leak since Italy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OecgGTIecWE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OecgGTIecWE)
Hope u guys enjoy and gl!
PS. for mental leak videos, please don't comment on it and just leave it alone. i perfer to deal with it on my own bc it can be a fragile issue. but definitely feel free to share it and discuss it with other ppl. that's why i posted it. i want to share my experiences. but just don't offer advice or anything. that's all!
Enjoy!
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Hi Leechlet,
Thanks for posting on this forum and sharing your experience with us!
Good luck with everything!
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Hi Leechlet,
Thanks for posting here! I check out both forums too, but my preference is here. More freedom here.
I'm excited for you on your journey! Both Guichet and Betz are very capable LL surgeons.
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Hey man I saw that you were spending an entire six figures lengthening your femurs! Why not just get both your femurs and tibias done with accommodations in Korea?
Also, 10 cm on just your femurs is a lot man.
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Hey man I saw that you were spending an entire six figures lengthening your femurs! Why not just get both your femurs and tibias done with accommodations in Korea?
Also, 10 cm on just your femurs is a lot man.
I was kind of thinking the same thing myself. Please don't get me wrong leechlet I think Dr. Guichet is a great choice. In my opinion anything is better than that fraud Dr. Betz and his strong as a bent straw Betzbone that always bends and breaks and then charges people 25k for titanium replacement!
It's just that spending 100k just on femur lengthening is a tremendous amount of money and going for 10cm on just your femurs is incredibly dangerous when you could spend the same amount of money with Dr. Donghoon Lee and lengthen your femurs up to 8cm with the Precice2 and do your tibias with LATN for 6-7cm. That would give you 14-15cm in height, your proportions would be much better and it would be much safer and healthier for you body.
Please continue to post regardless cause I really enjoy watching your videos and reading your posts.
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Hey, thanks for the welcome ppl!
As for why I didn't do it with the Korean doctor, the answer is simply that I didn't know too much about him. I completely didn't do any research on him whatsoever. I am currently googling him right now and also reading diaries about him. Is it too late to change? Maybe. Maybe not. I haven't wired any money over yet.
The reason I didn't do Precice2 in the US is because it's expensive as hell and it doesn't even go to 10cm. I know 10cm is a lot, and that's just an aim I have, not even saying I will achieve it. It does seem quite ridiculous now that Dr Guichet drew markings on my leg. Let me tell you, 10 cm looked a lot smaller on a ruler. I was thinking, "ya ya, 10cm. how hard can it be?" as i stared at the small 4 inches on the ruler. but now i am starting to see things differently. a big reason i picked guichet is bc 10cm > 8cm and guichet cost less than US doctors. so i was like, what the heck? let's do it!
i didn't go with dr betz for a lot less of an intelligent reason then he is a fraud. in fact, i simply didn't went with him because he didn't answer my emails. that' it. i know, stupid huh? but that's the truth. i emailed both dr guichet and dr betz, and dr guichet replied in a few days. i was like "okay, sure. what the heck" so i went with it.
i am not sure the 100k cost even includes nail removal. i think that might be extra, but i'll have to double check.
the hospital and surgery for dr guichet is only 40-44k euro, which is 55-60usd ish at a good exchange rate. but the psychotherapy, medicine, apartment, taxi, apartment in milano, and everything else just adds up like a bitch. dr guichet requires pyschiotheorpy and although i respect him for that and agree with him about muscle remodeling, the truth is the bigger reason i didn't go with betz is simply bc i emailed him twice and no response. its funny how little things shaped the course of our lifes. could i simply called dr betz on skype, paid 15 cents for the call, and went with him instead? perhaps
or could i do some research on the korean doctor and then decide to fly to korea tomorrow? again, perhaps. thanks for letting me know. i am gonna do some research now. but most likely i'll stay in Italy with guichet. but i still want to do research just to be sure
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It's a little disconcerting to me that you wanted to do 10 cm just because "it looked small on a ruler". Have you done any research on LL before going into this? Having the desire to get taller and enough money to do so is only half the race, you should know what you're getting into before moving forward with Guichet.
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P.S. as you can see, i am rlly open to suggestions and also probably many of you guys know much more about this LL business than i do. i simply read a few diaries on old forum , sent out some emails (this was back in a very prestigious college when i was taking a ton of classes to graduate asap), and that was the backdrop for my decisions.
when i graduated, i contacted doctors. guichet replied immediately. then, i went on a japan trip for 1 month. why? bc my friend and i just graduated, and i love anime and sushi. again, turned out to be quite different then that, as with many things in my life. but back to LL --> when i came back i had a 1.5 week break before flying to Italy in Milano to the MXP airport.
and now... here i am. wondering if i am making the correct decision.
i am very open about my LL and told all my friends and family members. most ppl, and i mean like 80% of them, including girls i had sex with, even the hot ones, doesn't seem to see LL the same way i do. BUT... they don't freak out when they stand next to taller ppl like i do. what do u call that again? height neurosis? whatever that is, i have that. and this thing isn't going to fix itself. i've seen psychologists about it before. the problem is, i am extremely convincing. i ended up convincing them that LL is a rational outcome. they are like "well, you seem like a healthy intelligent young man. u should go for it but be careful". cool cool. but idk. i wasn't 100% honest with them and also i was trying to convince them more than anything else. i always wanted to do surgery since this one girl rejected over summer 2013. well, before, i always wanted LL, but after that rejection due to height i wanted it rlly fking bad
well, there is it. that's something i didn't share with old forum . since this is an open community, my posts here are going to be more raw and real. that's honestly what happened and the events that lead to my being here -- right now in Milan at 2:26AM typing ferociously in my computer wondering if i am making the right decisions.
so please, tell me your thoughts! ;D
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You really can't go wrong with Dr. Guichet in terms of going to an orthopedic surgeon with the experience and credentials. If I could afford him right now, he's who I'd be going to.
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PSS okay, to be fair i did read most of the betz and guichet diaries on old forum as well as a smatter of other diaries both internal and otherwise and took copious notes. in fact, i have so much head knowledge about LL that when i sat down with guichet, our consultation was only like 40 min or so combined (i had two seperate smaller consultations). most of my friends r super nerds getting phds and stuff, so maybe dr guichet sensed that i grasp this intellectually? or maybe he sensed that i was sold on his product no matter what, and he didn't want to waste tongue on me. so it's not like am completely without knowledge.
but the truth also remains that it rlly has been less than 6 month since i seriously wanted LL and starting taking real actions toward it, including getting private yoga instructor, exercising, stopped smoking, and reading LL diaries while taking notes. and the truth is also that while i always hated my height and it caused a lot of suffering, the recent development with a girl over summer was rlly what sparked this journey. before, i always wanted LL but is was always something in the back of my mind, like a ace up my sleeve. but after her, i was like fk this i am getting taller asap and i am going to stop at nothing.
i am pretty set on LL. am i doing a right thing to get LL? at the end of the day, we all just want to be happy. so the question is, how much will LL contribute to my overall happiness in life? some things u just gotta do to find out, and i am pretty set on doing this and finding out for myself. maybe it helps tremendously. maybe it doesn't help at all. the reality is probably somewhere in between. when i get that answer, i'll also document it via vlogs.
so i guess the real question is, given that money is not a serious issue, what is the best option for me?
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You've had a consultation with one of the best LL specialists in the world. If you feel good about it, I'd say go ahead and do your surgery with him. Sure he may not be the cheapest, but you'll have more peace of mind that you'll have a positive outcome with Guichet than with most other docs, imo. Since money isn't an issue I think you're good continuing with Guichet rather than taking a gamble on other doctors.
Best advice I could give just from following this whole subject of ll for more than 5 years now is that you don't want to get caught up in the numbers game. Don't sacrifice function of your legs for that extra cm if your body doesn't feel like it can handle it. 10cm is a lot so you may want to stop sooner, maybe at 7cm if Guichet thinks it's a good idea, then a year or two later lengthen your tibias if you deem it necessary.
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Go ahed with Dr Guichet. Do around 7cm.
There is also Dr Jamal in Ukraine!
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I think you picked a great dr and I would be excited if I were you to be finally having this operation. I wouldn't be set on doing the 10cm though. Wait until you see how you look and feel once you hit 7 or 8cm. You are still young and will probably be able to find the time to do your tibs if this LL doesn't get you enough height.
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You're in good hands, just do your research and be careful from lengthening too much.
We're all rooting for you, and I believe LL will definitely make you a lot happier.
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Hey guys!
After chatting a bit on fb about LL, listening to dubstep, and then reading other doctors, i came to the same conclusion i came to a long time ago. There's plenty of good doctors out there, and many ppl have succeeded with dr guichet as many more will surely in the future too. I was stressed and lacking sleep, so i had my priorities wrong. what i need to do right now isn't to nickle and dime every single LL option out there until i find the absolute best value. i am already in Italy and i have medical tests and training already booked. what i need to do now is to focus and try to make it work. like a relationship, there comes to a point where the partner is simply good enough, and the marginal utility of finding another better candidate would be sooo slight that it's not practical to pursue.
sure, if i get precice in the states, it'll be similar price as guichet especially if i only end up getting 7 - 8. 10cm? i am of course not certain i can achieve this. sometimes, kids say the darnest things. but i will tell u one thing...
i am going to train rlly damn hard and aim for it. if i get it, it get it. if i don't, that's just too bad. guess i should've stayed home. oh well. at least i get to see Europe
as for weight bearing of precice, i read dr paley say that all internal nails have roughly the same strength capacity. since i am only 124, probably gonna drop to 120 ish after training and surgery, i'll be light and also i'll be rlly careful and use walker or crutches, so it probably doesn't matter too much either way. i guess it's kinda cool to walk around during lengthening instead of being confined to a wheelchair. i don't think it's so much the nail as it what the doctor's preferences are. but idk. like i said, it rlly doesn't matter at this point.
at this point, i am gonna try to catch some ZZZZZs and try to make it to my apointments tomorrow. that's whats most important right now, and i need to get my head together.
nite ppl!
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Hey Leechlet,
If I were you I would also compare Betznail/Guichet Nail/Precice 2 regarding the challenges you are going to face during lengthening - at the moment the US appears to have the most advanced technology. I think the advantage of not having to click shouldn't be underrated.
Also 8cm is already a huge amount of lengthening for your body, check out Dr. Birkholtz thread if you haven't already - http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=137.0 (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=137.0) - it provides valuable information!
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It's not your life, it's life.
Life is bigger than you.
Life isn't something that you possess,
it's something that you take part in and you witness.
Refreshing quote that resounds with what you were saying about the world not owing you anything. Contemplating getting it tattooed down my spine.
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Hey masche! I will definitely check out that page. But please understand that I am already in Milano and things are already partially underway, so I think i am pot committed to Guichet. However, perhaps for my tibia I will just do it in USA. In fact, I live only an hour away from LA, the location of Dr M. I can just drive over, get my legs done, and chillax for a few month at home. But that's tooooo far away to say.
Hey russianblues! I rlly like that quote! I think this journey is teaching me something rlly important. It's teaching me that in life, all you can do is try. Success is uncertain and never guranteed. I think a true man will stand for what he believes in, try with all he's got, and be confident at the end of the day knowing he did the best he could for something he believed in. If i'm honest, i am not quite a man yet. College in America is just like high school. I never rlly had to learn to do things on my own and stand for what I believed. I think this journey will teach me a kind of confidence that comes with acceptance and integrity.
kk, i have to go to lunch now. just did 1 hr of intense stretching. i am going to try to do a split in a month. it doesn't matter what i think or how much i have suffered. all that matters is that the hour of battle is NOW. in the past, the only thing i could do to change my height is whine and bitch about it. which is to say --> nothing. it rlly doesn't matter if my friends think it's unimportant and the girls i know can't understand it and see the importance of it to me.
the thing is, i want it. and that's all the reason i need to give it every ounce i've got. you are right. life is bigger than me. i can't get everyone to like me, to believe in what i believe. that's just life. but while i breathe, i am going to stand for what i believe
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hey guys
came back form cybex test. super tired. going to go eat, check out an apartment, and going to bed soon.
training starts tomorrow. 9AM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKD2dHTF5ZM&feature=youtu.be
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Hi Leechlet,
What kind of exercises do you recommend to prepare for the cybex test and the the training?
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Hi blackhawk!
I made a rlly detailed post about my prep and all on here: Leechlet - Internal Femurs - Dr. Guichet - 2014 - My Femur Lengthening Journey old forum Diary (http/www link edit)
sorry to make you read the old forum in case you have any negative feelings toward it. The short answer is, I did a ton of stretching and ran occasionally. To keep myself motivated, I had daily stretching and exercising charts, like HW assignments! Also, I biked for my college cycling team so my leg muscles were HUGE, as pointed out by ppl at isokinetic center and dr guichet. I am a sprinter, a small but fast guy that draft behind big dudes until the finish line like a parasitic fish and then sprint past it at like 60kilometer per hour
but if u want more details, definitlely read the old forum or wait until my new vids that will be VERY detailed about prep once my prep starts ---> in a few hours! haha ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEI0nRvMFNQ
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Thank you Leechlet. I will check the old forum.
Good luck with your training today!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QDJGlGJWrU
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I already asked this by commenting on your video, but can you detail your workout routine of today?
I wish you the best, you so wise at a so young age.
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hey antoky
we just did hamstring stretches, bicycles, squats, etc. rlly basic stuffs. that's why i thought it was kinda a rip off. i paid 90 euros to have some guy tell me to bike on a stationary bike for 20 mintues, and then do squats for 20 mintues, and then etc etc
i hope things change or i am going home after op asap. i can do everything i did today at home for 1/1000th the price
i'll make a more detailed video later. and i'll talk to guichet about it. hopefully, it's only day one and things will change. if not, it's bye bye milano for me as soon as i can walk again
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ps. i am going to wait a few days before talking to guichet. i don't want to seem like i complain a lot. after all, i've only been there for one day. how much do i know anyways? i am gonna make a rlly detailed vid of me doing all the exercies in the isokinetic center soon. but i need more time to find out
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Hey leechlet, I'm asian and 5'3" too. To be honest I'm so jealous of you. Your parents have given you a lot of money for this and they understand your decision to do this with the utmost support. I hope it will be a smooth ride for you. I will some day do this. Some day
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOpjzWrmSy8
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hey guys
first week in milan almost over. this journey turned from one of great excitement and euphoria to one of great stress and anxiety. i am not sleeping well, and i haven't even gotten surgery yet. do u doubt my decision in LL? probably not. but still, it's incredibly stressful. i have a lot of mood swings, usually feel rlly happy in the morning and rlly down and anxious after my energy level get depleted.
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I've always been curious why Dr. Guichet decided to move training facilities and perform surgery in Milan, Italy. Does he still perform cosmetic surgery in Marseilles, France?
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hey antoky
we just did hamstring stretches, bicycles, squats, etc. rlly basic stuffs. that's why i thought it was kinda a rip off. i paid 90 euros to have some guy tell me to bike on a stationary bike for 20 mintues, and then do squats for 20 mintues, and then etc etc
i hope things change or i am going home after op asap. i can do everything i did today at home for 1/1000th the price
i'll make a more detailed video later. and i'll talk to guichet about it. hopefully, it's only day one and things will change. if not, it's bye bye milano for me as soon as i can walk again
I always viewed physical therapy as a hack. Once you know what to do, you don't need some instructor telling you how to do it over and over. Also, I think Guichet's a great doctor but I don't agree with his physical therapy practices. Stretching is important, but I've seen tons of great outcomes from patients who hardly put in an ounce of effort pre-LL.
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Leechlet, 90 Euro per session is like a theft ...wow...my gym charges 40 Euro for an entire month...daily entries..what a shame on this!
Talk to Guichet about this. It's the Cybex test which speaks for your strength gains, so train elsewhere and get stronger and go to Isokinetic only a few days before the op to do your last test (150 Euro)...
I am Italian and living in Aosta, 200 km from Milan.
I am a sports medicine doctor and a physiatrist.
Have a nice dinner.
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Can anyone even name a part of our bodies we can't stretch ourselves?
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i can't think of any parts that u can't stretch ur self
i found a LL helper today
Name: Wilbert
email: wescudero_it_eu@yahoo.com
telephone: 393384881699
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73ddc7V8iqo
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Thanks for the info about the helper.
So, in the end, your yesterday training was not at all insignificant :), judging by your DOMS.
Your web-log is going to be the most useful tool for every person which plans to LL with Guichet.
Kudos.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLFiNuXby-g&feature=youtu.be
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To improve on my flexibility, I use to watch some Shaolin monks video...and some tutorials on "how to do the splits"...on YouTube.
Thank you.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9Lb88Cz4FQ&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVmBbHX2DS4&feature=youtu.be
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Hi guys,
I just wired Guichet his money
I feel kinda sick in the stomach, and I assure you it isn't from the huge pasta dinner I had earlier
I hope I am making a right choice
I hope this is not a scam.
I am going to bed. Damnit, I hope this all works out. I guess there's no turning back.
Now I am REALLY pot commited
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Ehehe, don't worry ;).
Guichet is safe!
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Good luck Leechlet!
I'm sure it will work out well and you will be walking taller soon. :)
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Hey, thanks for the comments!
I found a rlly good stretching website today. I wish I found this earlier
http://trickstutorials.com/index.php?page=content/flx3
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This site won't open its video-page...(at least in my HTC One). I will stick to YouTube with its "hot to perform a split" great videos.
How is your SLR?
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SLR 110-120 ish, more like 110
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXWrZbBUxB0&feature=youtu.be
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You seem like a cool and down to earth guy like me. Unfortunate i have absolute 0 money at the moment. And i will have to see if my mom helps me get into distance school. So if i do the work i might get 1300 us dollars each month, Which means another year of isolation in my room and hope i can barely save up for the surgery.
Damn, i would like someone like you to do the surgery journey with me. Would have made the thing alot easier than being alone :)
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Digging the experience so far. I like the video updates - it's a good break from all the reading.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNB3kz5uETc&feature=youtu.be
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Thanks for your high-level exposition.
Leechlet, I will be at the Isokinetic at 9.15 a.m. of the 14th of January to perform the Cybex with doctor Bisagni (I guess this is the name of the doctor which trains any patient of Guichet here in Milan after the operation); I will be visited by the shrink in the aftermath at 12.
Is this the day you will be operated?
Cheers.
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...Bisagni is the psychiatrist..
I apologize.
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No 17th. Wanna share an apartment? Please skype me at leechletll
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Dude antoky, we should totally kick it after ur cybex test. I have my training 9AM that day, so we'll be done prob around the same time
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Great! I will be happy to meet you in person.
Thanks for the idea of sharing an apartment, but I am having the operation in December this year...
Have a nice day and keep on.
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Cool man!
in the future, I am too lazy to post vids every day bc i make a vid almost every day. So just youtube leechlet and check out my channel.
Okay folks! Merry christmas!
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Merry Christmas to you too!
We are grateful for your efforts so far.
I already subscribed to your YouTube channel.
Be happy and strive for Excellence.
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merry xmas bro
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Hey ppl! I finally found an apartment today! via oxilia 19
I also arranged a driver to drive me to and fro the isokinetic center for about 100 euros a month. After the first month, I can do what this other guy did and take the metro to the center. It's right next to desuite milano. Or... I can just keep taking the car since it's only 100 euros.
I have two bedroom, a stationary bike, all sorts of exercise equipments in my room, etc. But, I only need one bedroom. So if any of you will be doing LL with guichet in January or Feb, and would like to share an aparment, ride, caretaker to cook u meals and take u to the center, etc etc....
Price? Only 500-600 euros a month whereas most other LLers pay well over 1.5k in milan. Don't believe me? Try to find a better deal urself.
How did I find such a good deal? This guy is getting divoreced and I literally spent two weeks looking for a deal like this.
If interested, skpye me asap at leechletll
Monthly term starts on January 1st 2014
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Compliments on your news!
I hope I will find such a bargains as well in december 2014 ...
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That is good rental for Europe. congrats.
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Hey antoky,
I just stumbled upon a channel that makes antiaging vids near a swimming pool. I was wondering if you are that guy in the vid, and if that's ur channel.
Thanks!
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Dude antoky,
You are literally the best looking middle age man I've seen ever. You are as fit as a bull, and you seem to know like 10x more than the ppl at the isokinetic center. Honestly, i pay 90 euros so someone can tell me to warmup and then stretch. It gives me structure and motivation. I am a lazy asian computer/econ nerd that would just play starcraft all day if left to my own. I don't have the kind of muscles like you.
Definitely don't use the isokinetic center because you are waaayyyy beyond anything they can offer you, as least pre op. I have no idea about post op since i haven't gotten there yet, but i'll let you know.
Show Dr Guichet your body and your vids. I'm sure he'll make an exception. I mean, dude, you are soooo fit and just in really wonderful shape.
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Dear friend, I thank you very much for your words!
If anyone would care about his body at least the same way they care about their cars, middle-age men would easily look like me: good sleep, good food, good workouts, good sex, good books about life..such as the two books of Robert Pirsig or Finite and Infinite games of James Carse...
I will meet the doctor who cares about Guichet patients that Tuesday at Isokinetic (the upcoming 14th) and I will speak to him about my need to frequent his center after the op: really I do not think I will ever train there before the op...I hope he would agree.
Again, I appreciate your words very much.
Cheers.
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Hi guys!
So Wilbert, the helper guy, increased his prices by 20% for no reason. I decided to go with another helper I met at the isokinetic center who also cares for LLers. She is much more reasonably priced.
I also decided to go look for new apartments because the guy at the old place I was interested in felt like he scamer. He was rlly pushy and exagerates everything to a point where you can make an argument that he's never honest. He might just be bipolar as he admited, but I didn't want to deal with that.
Anyways, new vids. Check them out!
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Hi Leechlet,
Just wanted to let you know that I'm enjoying your diary and your blogging style. I'm finding myself checking in on your diray multiple times per day.
Bummer with that landlord but if it didnt feel right, it probably wasnt going to be.
Best of luck and thanks for keeping us updated...
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Your video monologues are a priceless insight into the pre-LL psychology and the practical process otherwise, and is also in general incredibly interesting to watch, especially because it's "live". You're well articulated and seem like a very intelligent and mature guy who's also seems to have an above average capacity for introspection and self-awareness. I wish you the best through this whole thing and after, will be following your progress closely. Keep it up and happy new year.
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Thanks guys!
You are all really awesome! I am making this channel to capture the finer points of LL that mere words could not. I hope that by doing this, ppl can get a more realistic and holistic view of LL.
Anyways, happy new year!
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Like for example, by reading my last post, what can u gauge about my current state of mind? Happy? Sad? Anxious? Actually, I am rlly bored. I am going to go out and eat even though I am not hungry bc i am bored. Lol.
Anyways, take care all you fellow LLers out there and if you know any good music, let me know. I listened to my entire iphone library like a gazillion times in the last two weeks. The reality of LL is that it could be stressful and exciting and sometimes even depressing, but most of the time it is just rlly normal and boring. :P
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"If I Ever Feel Better" - Phoenix
Been listening to this nonstop the past day, such a sexy song.
I don't know what you listen to, but if you like Alt Rock, I can give you 5 different albums to listen to. Spotify is godsend!
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hey guys, i made some more vids including one with dr guichet. i convinced him to allow me to film him and put him on my channel. i am making a list of topics for him to talk about in short videos of 3-10min long each. he talked a lot today about how he designed the nail, and i thought it would be interesting for him to talk about all the insider stuffs bc i love science. i had no idea how much work went into something like that.
i am also making a vid on what i think of apothoesis and other random thoughts, some which may be a little contraversial. but i don't give a fuc*. why? bc my parents are paying for the surgery and i can say whatever i want. i am documenting this limb lengthening journey as realistic as possible. that's the advantage when i am not financially dependent on any of the players in this limb lengtheing arena.
just youtube my channel by searching leechlet
i have tooooooo many videos over 30+ and i am not going to copy and past each one here
give it some time as these vids take a long time to upload.
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ps all is set for jan 17th. we got the green light for surgery! =D
pss if u guys want to have guichet personally explain anything, please comment below and i'll try to fit in a the major questions.
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Where is your video with Dr. Guichet and where is your video about Apotheosis? I have been listening to your videos on your youtube channel since the beginning and i can't find them anywhere!
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Hi, srry they r still loading. My internet, although free, is slow as hell in my apartment. It probably will take the whole night as I uploaded a BUNCH of vids with date stamp 1/7/2014
check back tomorrow, and def let me know if u have any questions u want to ask him
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ps all is set for jan 17th. we got the green light for surgery! =D
pss if u guys want to have guichet personally explain anything, please comment below and i'll try to fit in a the major questions.
Awesome. Must be quite the feeling knowing you're about to change your life.
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Here comes 1 year of paaaaaaiiiiin :D
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Here comes 1 year of paaaaaaiiiiin :D
And here begins freedom from short stature
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Hey people!
This is the last post and the following vids are the last ones I'll make before surgery next friday. I am going to take a week to get my last minute affairs together, but more importantly take some time to be alone and center myself for the long fight ahead.
The first video is regarding my theory of limb lengtheners, and what kind of people I think ultimately end up getting limb lengthening based upon what I observed. It is an ongoing theory of mine, but I feel it is super important because as I am beginning to see, limb lengthening is soooo psychological. Dr Guichet was right. After all, the man does this for a living. For those of you who haven't gotten limb lengthening yet and is depressed about your height, I know nothing I say could change that. But please watch this vid, sleep on it, and I think it will make the mental component of LLing much easier once you actually do it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=672Fg8OA5qY
Finally, I want to say a temporary farewell as I might not upload vids until the weekend of 25th. First week is usually super busy, but make no mistake that I will be filming this whole time. Also, in this vid, I share some tips on what I would've done differently. Good bye for now ppl! See you post op!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RulwCAe184
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Very nice videos -)
I agree with almost everything you said.
Thought i think the main raison is the fact our society lacks of real values.
Everything seems superficial.
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Leechlet, very inspiring videos!! I read a lot of leg lengthening dairies, but have never posted any comments. Your videos truly moved me, and just want to say thank you, and best luck with your operation!! I will be following your posting.
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Leechlet, the first video impressed me and the second video moved me to tears.
Good luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OBG
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Leechlet, where in the US are you from? Just curious, you can PM me if you want.
If you live close to my location then I would love to meet you in person someday, discuss LL in depth, etc. It is also a hard decision for me to come to.
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Hi I uploaded vids of hospital and surgery. I am I'm so much pain. I wish I am dead right now
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Stay strong Leechlet, I know you'll be able to get through this eventually. The first few days are the worst from what I hear.
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I watched the videos and I can see how much pain you are in and while I am relaxing and having a nice easy life I would trade places with you in a heartbeat. :) I hope to be in your shoes by the end of next year getting taller. Stay strong. You will be much better in a few days.
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Thanks guys. Ur the best. I rlly cherish this community. Today, I feel such a sense of connection with llers
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You will be fine, it gets better everyday. Less pain more height. Remember that..
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I'm almost speechless, watching your post-surgery videos. Just wanted to say your video diary is simply groundbreaking and really, really important for anyone considering LL. This is totally unique and very powerful. It's extremely brave of you to document everything openly like this. I wish you the best during the recovery, you really deserve to get through this in the best possible way, and I think you can.
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yeah man just went to your youtube profile to see if there were any videoes not posted here and there was a bunch.
thanks.
I really like the videos featuring Guichet and his expertise. Its always good to hear from the man himself.
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Hey guys I just had Dr. Guichet capture a very important video telling me that I am a wimp having this is probably one of most important videos I make because I think that my fears are holding me back from success and Limb lengthening
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A wimp ? ha ha, man just go for it, now you have to do your best so that you have no regrets !
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Hey guys I just had Dr. Guichet capture a very important video telling me that I am a wimp having this is probably one of most important videos I make because I think that my fears are holding me back from success and Limb lengthening
Here it is, good video. You are in safe hands with Dr Guichet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqoTpsgKiZM
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Yeah i think he is giving you really nice advices.
It wont be easy to do it but you HAVE to do it.
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Hi thank you guys for the kind replies
But the truth is this limb lengthening is so hard
Had I known how hard it was I don't think I would've came here
Dr. G pushes me way too hard. I just want to go home. I just want to wake up and realize that this is all just a bad dream. this lengthening is the hardest thing I've ever done in my life by far. Getting good grades or facing rejections are child's play compared to this. The truth is you gain confidence by Limb lengthening not because you're taller but because your face a real difficulty so much worse than being short. I am beginning to think that a lot of my problems before were Merely in my mind. I had the luxury to hate my height while not having to face any other real problems. The truth is I didn't have much real problems before and aside from a few rejections I've gotten pretty much everything I've always wanted
Now I can see that my parents alright. I guess that's life. You got to follow your heart and make mistakes from the heart by the heart and for the heart. That's the only way we can really grow. If I have to tell my six-year-old self all the wisdom that I've cumulated in the last decade and half surely that leechlet will not understand what I have to say
Limb lengthening is what I needed to realize what I had in life all along. I think that's what we all want at the end of the day. We just want to be happy with ourselves. I made a $96,000 all in that and lost for the most part. Let me tell you at the age of 22 that's a very humbling experience. I lost not in the sense that Limb lengthening isn't real but rather in the sense that my goals were not optimal. I let a few insignificant rejections distort what really matter to life
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Hi leechlet,
I have been following your video diary for some time.
And by seeing the videos of the last days I feel obligated to give you some support.
I'm just a wanna be limblengthener, so I cannot imagine the pain you are going through o but i just want you to remember what some experienced guy said once here or in the old forum, it was something like: "the pain you feel right know will go away but every inch that o get will last till the rest of your life"!
Stay strong! :)
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You know what? we don't care, you seem to talk alot leechlet and i love you but please be a f*kin man and finish this. I would literally kill to be in your position right now and you are throwing it away for some pain. But i noticed you have that intellectual personality who is more analytical in their behaviour than actuall physical. So they cry like little bishes when it gets pushy.
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Hi, i think what you are saying is the truth BUT what is also true is that NOW you have no choice, your best choice is to do your BEST, so STOP thinking and ACT.
Now that you have chosen to lengthen, just freaking DO IT.
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It's good that you're making important realizations about what you didn't appreciate in your life. I think we all do that at some points, and especially when in really difficult situations like yours. Fear often does that. But it also makes you forget about your initial motivations a little because you're so far removed from the mental state you've been in before. In the end it's up to you to get taller, and while I'm sure it hurts way more than any rejection or how fixing all your mental self-confidence issues would, remember that there is a reason for your wish for more height that kind of goes beyond your psychology. Confident and mentally healthy people of all heights with no height neurosis succeed in life, but height discrimination is still a thing that's separate from any short person's attitude or subjective psychology. A life being taller is on average an easier life and it can make it easier to fulfill the rest of your dreams even though it's because of human nature's shallowness. Watch some of your old pre-LL videos for motivation! What I'm saying is, don't lose sight of the goal and don't give up unless you're REALLY forced to (complications, etc). Get some of your parents' money's worth, even if you end up lengthening less than you originally planned, either due to choice or your body refusing it. Even two inches is a good, normal and reasonable gain. Not to mention safe. This is your (most likely) once in a lifetime chance to get permanently taller, not many people get that opportunity, or even know that it's possible. If you should give up too early, maybe you'll regret that even more when you go back to your life. Even if you were to give up now, it would be quite a long road back to recovery, so keep on fighting and make this soon to be long gone part of your life count as the unique life-lasting investment it could turn out to be! This is your full time job now. There's a very good chance you're out of it and walking unaided and taller before the summer.
Do you accept Bitcoins? I'd like to buy you a pizza (you're in Italy after all) as a token of my appreciation for your videos and general effort but also because I sympathize, you deserve it. If they won't deliver to your door, your caretaker can ... well, take care of it, and fetch one for you. PM me if it sounds interesting.
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Hi guys,
Thanks for all the honest suggestions. You are absolutely right. I realized tonight that Dr Guichet was completely right. My fear was holding me back a lot. I was afraid of too many "what ifs". I wanted to stay in the hospital, specifically on the bed getting served because I was afraid of the uncertainty of living at home.
BUT... After I mustered the courage to get out of the hospital, everything from pain to fear decreased. For the first time, I was actually able to do all my exercises and my clicking for both legs were less than 10 min for 14 clicks total.
I guess Dr Guichet saw right through me. Wilbert told me that other patients often have heavy bruising on their legs as well as leg flexibility. However, my results were perfectly fine, no bruising or anything. I was just scared out of my mind. Furthermore, the nurses at the hospital who responded to my whining and crying and tantrums made me fell better temporarily, but also positively reinforced my weak psychological state.
After I got discharged from the hospital and realized that I could walk on my own with the walker, I was like "wtf, was this rlly what I was so scared of all this time?"
Now I am able to get up and sit down on my own and actually do the exercises without pretty much any pain. I am still amazed at how powerful my mind was. When I was at home and there wasn't a group of ppl babysitting me, I suddenly just shut the hell up for a minute and realized that I could actually do all that Dr Guichet said I could do.
Here are some vids to capture these progressive steps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw57vL7Cy-A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkRQCDWZRhY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfEFmFiK9HY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otm7Zs_lh-o
Okay, I am going to bed now. Will reply to more specific points tomorrow morning after clicking. But I am still amazed at how trapped I was in a psychological prison. I literally felt horrible pain and severe lack of mobility simply bc I thought I was suppose to be like that after two broken legs. Seriously, talk about placebo affect.
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Hi old forum PartyLeaks
Thanks for the pizza but it's okay! I have enough food in my apartment to survive a nuclear winter because I was afraid that my helper would flake on me. I can be pretty paranoid when I was stressed, as was evident in my previous posts. That's one of my signs under stress, but sometimes I can't pick up the tells in the moment.
Anyways, if you are in Italy and close to Milan, you are welcome to swing by sometimes for lunch or dinner. Dr Guichet suggested that I stop camping on Facebook all day and start going out to meet ppl. That's why he is inviting me to a fancy lunch next week. Ya, he's a pretty cool guy alright. But he's also right that when I experience pain, I just cry to the nurses and complain to my friends back home for temporary validation. That's why I missed my clicks. I was too busy trying to convince ppl who hard LLing was. Well, LLing is hard, but I think my paranoia blown it totally out of proportion. If you listen to my vids on 1/18/2014 I asked multiple times if I was going to die, and if anyone ever died from LLing. Whenever I stand up, I would hyperventilate and sweat and pass out. But today when I started to claim down because there was no body around to hear my complaints, I breathed slower and realized that I actually wasn't in that much pain at all. And that I could walk and click and do everything. The clicking actually doesn't hurt at all, and the screaming, sissy talk, and FB complaints that follow each clicking session is totally unnecessary and unproductive.
What a crazy weekend for me, huh? ;)
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Get some of your parents' money's worth
I had a little chuckle reading this point :) How did you know it was his parent's money. I thought I read somewhere that he made $98,000 all by himself.
Leechlet... don't give up. You're fearful, that means you have a lot to live for and waiting for you. Make sure you achieve that 7-8cm you're looking for. Happiness and a potential date is waiting for you on the other side.
I'm following your diary carefully. As you can see, I'm putting Guichet as one of my LL femur option for later 2014.
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I had a little chuckle reading this point :) How did you know it was his parent's money. I thought I read somewhere that he made $98,000 all by himself.
He's said many times that his parents paid for or at least helped him a lot financially to get this operation. Nothing wrong with that.
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Hehe, nice catch with the fruit. They don't look like normal oranges, by the way. They're probably clementines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clementine
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Thanks guys for all the support.
On a more practical note, I was wondering if any of you know how I can get cheap taxi or ride in Milan. I was looking forward to a guy who could drive me to and back the isokinetic center for 100 euros a month. But now, I am spending almost that much a day.
What is a cheap taxi company? How can I make a deal?
Thanks. This surgery may only end up costing around 70-75k if all my cost saving plans goes well. I rlly appreciate it. =D
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Are you planning to stay in Milan for the rest of your lengthening proces?
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No I want to leave as soon as possible. As soon as safe. And I mean really safe . So like two months or until I get to 7 cm
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Hey guys
exactly one week had past post op
i am at 1.67cm total gain stabilizing at 21 clicks a day plus the 1cm at the operation (150 clicks)
now, i am basically pain free. but rlly tired all the time. i have no trouble sleeping. in fact, i have trouble staying awake and doing exercises.
the biggest challenge for me is to get through the mountain of exercises dr guichet ordered. also, i am not eating much as i don't have much appetite. finally, walking on a walker is a bitc*. i literally call dr guichet every single day, sometimes multiple times a day, asking angrily if i can get a wheelchair. but i try to use logic bc i know he's a rational guy. each time, he insist NO. then, i just cry and complain to my helper wilbert
overall, despite a what i thought to be a hellish week, i am actually a lot better than a lot of other patients according to current LLers with guichet. i am basically fine now with minimal pain and problems. i am actually a bit surprised that it's only one week post op bc last week, i didn't think i would feel like this today.
my mood is all over the place. that is perhaps the biggest problem of all. i feel happy and sad and angry and depressed and moved... all within a very short period of time. sometimes, there's a trigger. but most of the time, there's no trigger at all.
i have never had a period since i am a guy, but for u females out there, please let me know if it is similar to that phenomenon.
training is hard. i hate it. i want to skip training every single day, and even when i am there, i think of reasons why i am not able to perform or why i have to leave early. i feel like a teenager again. except i have literally zero mating urges. for the first time in a long time, i merely see women as bipedal apes with a distinct fat distribution, softer skin, and face caked with pigments like mandrill monkeys.
i just want to be left alone to sleep, and to have someone bring me food and water and listen to why my life sucks. wilbert does all that so he is the best helper i could hope for.
but at the same time, i have an urge to help others and to save the world, again not unlike my teenage self.
i find is very hard to concentrate, and i want to change activities a lot. sometimes, i would get bored in the middle of clicking to watch some youtube videos, take a nap, and finish an hr later. i have zero discipline and i hate ppl tell me what to do. i want to rebel against the isokinetic center and to set free all the crippled ppl in there like freeing animals in a zoo. of course, that's ridiculous. but those r whats going on in my find.
Smiley Grin Angry Huh? Lips Sealed Kiss Cry Lips Sealed mood swings everywhere....
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Your mood swing is because of the drugs and isolation. Are you a outgoing person who can't be alone for too long? Then you have to find people to talk to, even on the phone or skype. How is your exercise routine like everyday?
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Glad to see you doing well:)
if you stay positve you will feel energized.
Will you talk about why you decided on the 13mm nail, Dr. Guichet
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i am at 1.67cm total gain stabilizing at 21 clicks a day plus the 1cm at the operation (150 clicks)
1cm at operation! That's amazing. Do you know how long it would take to achieve the next 6-7cm? If you can get 7.5cm in one month and be back home in crutches/cane/unsupported working again, it would be a viable option for someone like me.
I also like the fact that Dr. Guichet seems very patient in answering your questions and picking up your phone calls daily. Stay positive!
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Hey!
Srry for the late reply. I just kinda forgotten about this forum for a while. In theory, u can get 5cm the first month and maybe 8 the second, but that's under ideal conditions, so ideal that I am not entirely sure if most ppl can hope for it. The thing is, when ur muscles tighten up, it's rlly up to ur body how much u can lengthen or how fast. Dr Guichet said that at the end, if I want to do 10cm, he will monitor the rate my muscle cells divide, probably at a rate of .5mm a day and lengthen at that rate. Basically, u probably can't do 7.5 cm unless u work for the chinese circus or something ;)
I didn't decide on the 13mm nail. Dr Guichet did. He just kinda decided over dinner and I was like, wait a minute... why? I forgot what he said, but it's suppose to be more weight bearing and allow for faster return to normal activities.
I am actually a loner and I can literally be on my own for a month at a time in college, just skipping class and grinding online poker. I think the mood swing is simply bc i am in pain and the medications probably have something to do with it too. It's completely scary and stressful.
My daily exercise is just full of stretches and biking, not unlike pre op preperation but this time MUCH more toned down. I will make a vid about my daily routine soon. ;)
As for taxi, i found a way to save money is to call the taxi and then IMMEDIATELY go wait outside. I was getting charged for waiting around, so when i got into the taxi i was already charged 10 euros. By not having the taxi wait for u, u can save 5-7 euros each trip, which adds up a lot. This is a useful hack I discovered 8)
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Hey guys!
Here is the footage of the surgery that Dr Guichet filmed. I helped him edit it, but I think it's interesting bc from his lenses, this surgery is just yet another one that went well without complications. It's very interesting how his camera tells a completely different side of the story. It's a story of excellent range of motion and good recovery. On my side, of course the story looks completely different. But here is his side:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW_hsk2vxxQ
Also, I am going to stop making vids for a while to concentrate on my training more. Here is the current mentality I am in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OKrytlK82E
When you guys watch my vids, keep in mind that I am merely trying to capture each moment of my journey as I travel through time and space. The reality of LL is somewhere in btwn all these vids, a mixture of many different things. Sure, it's a science, but it's also a story of ups and downs emotionally, of pain but also of triumph.
I have 150 more vids on my channel for LLing. For this reason, I cannot possibly post each and every one of them. But u can check out my daily vlogs on there.
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Wow, Dr Guichet is torturing you to make these leg moves directly after surgery just for the video.
I know how it feels after surgery, you just want to rest...
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Hi Leechlet,
thank you for those great videos. You shouldn't be too harsh on yourself. All you need is to get a daily routine and stick to it. The days will then pass by very quickly.
Best wishes
Mime
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hi emanuel,
dr guichet definitely pushed pretty hard since day one. if you watch my vids, i was actually pretty pissed about it at first, and thought about quitting LLing altogether. but now, i feel much better and is recovering much faster than his other patients. i don't think Dr Guichet is a bad person bc we talked countless hrs about his personal life and etc. he's actually a pretty cool guy and always comes to visit me. i think he is very focused on results of science to a point of neglecting the feeling of his patients. he just goes off what the data says will make me heal faster, and sometimes it is not the easiest path. in fact, if i had it my way i would be in the hospital for one week getting served by nurses until i slowly felt like going home. but in hindsight, that would be rlly bad bc i'd lose a lot of time to lengthen and also lose lots of muscle mass
hi mime,
thanks for the comment! i am definitely starting the long grind now, waking up and being almost 100% commited to the recovery routine. but LLing is very tough emotionally. for example, i was feeling rlly happy and confident this morning, but then in the afternoon i got tired and depressed. i was actually depressed bc i was growing taller and i realize i'll never be the same "me" anymore. i know. crazy stuffs right? but that's LLing for u. the world inside my mind is completely insane almost like a teenager again. watching my legs get longer and skinnier have a certain "alien" feel to it. hard to describe
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Hey guys
I emailed Dr Guichet today and said I want to quit limb lengthening. My right leg where the femur meets the pelvic is sooo painful that I could only do 5 clicks rather than the 7 that i was supposed to do. I am scared that the nail site is fractured and I was tired and stressed and I just started crying and told my helper that I want to go back to America.
But then something slowly dawned on my as I was cycling to relieve my emotions. I realized that:
1. I hated my height TOO much for it to be any other way and...
2. Even in my hours of pain, i still love what I do.
Love is a weird word to describe it bc we typically think of it as a positive emotion. But i realized that even if I was to quit LLing right now, I will still come back. Sometimes... Somehow... I'll be back. I realized that LLing is not for everyone, but for me it is inevitable. I HAVE to be here, bc as strange as it sounds, of all the places on earth right now, I am supposed to be here bc in any other place on earth, I would feel empty and always wonder "what is it like to get LLing and be a bit taller?" and i will never rest until i find out that answer
I am human. LLing is hard. Given those two conditions, I have a very turbulent relationship with LLing. I thought about quitting so many times and cried so many times that if I was to make a vid every time I cried I would have like a gazillion vids on my channel by now. But love is the force that makes me keep coming back, even after I thought I had given it all I still want to give more.
I also learned of faith today. Faith is believing the dots will connect in the future when all reason eludes u. Bc sometimes in order to be successful, you must push through SOOO much pain that any reasonable person would've given up. In that sense, this world is rlly led by unreasonable men -- men who have gone through things where any rational person would've quit.
In order to do the impossible, I realize that I need love and faith. Love in what I do and faith that it will work out. These are not things that can be faked. These are things that I either have or do not. And each time some adversity hit me and I quit, but then I come back an hr later when I calm down, these emotions are strengthened. I will upload vids I made in these moments of emotion. But for now, i just want to share with you guys what a spiritual and emotinal journey this advanture had been thus far
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leechlet the f**k is wrong with you. Stop crying you acting like a little girl. Stop try to be so analytical about your feelings and just do it. IF you don't want to continue can i take your place?. Ask guichet if i can.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG2INb1eKA4
Watch this whole video. I fkin garantee you. That you will be hungry for life after that video.
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How often are you able to meet with Dr Guichet for him to examine you just to make sure everything is okay and that there are no complications he needs to fix? Stay strong man. You've come this far. If you turn back now, it may be one of those things you ask yourself every time you feel your height has hindered you "What if I had stuck with it?"
We're rooting for you.
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Slim_Tim, I rarely chime in on the forum but your comments to Leechet were outrageous to me. Leechet is sharing the most personal, intimate emotions that people are rarely willing to share and you kicked him in the face. I doubt you have any idea how painful, stressful and frightening it is to lose ones ability to walk, function, daily pain and concerns about getting back to normal. I apologize to Leechet for your insensitive comments.
Leechet,
I love your diary, it's raw and real. Most people do not have the depth or self insights to share to this level or the willingness to reveal these inner fear, feelings to others. Thank you, it's appreciated by me at least. Take care of yourself, hand it there, do the work, time will pass and it will be worthwhile. Best of luck.
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Slim_Tim, I rarely chime in on the forum but your comments to Leechet were outrageous to me. Leechet is sharing the most personal, intimate emotions that people are rarely willing to share and you kicked him in the face. I doubt you have any idea how painful, stressful and frightening it is to lose ones ability to walk, function, daily pain and concerns about getting back to normal. I apologize to Leechet for your insensitive comments.
Leechet,
I love your diary, it's raw and real. Most people do not have the depth or self insights to share to this level or the willingness to reveal these inner fear, feelings to others. Thank you, it's appreciated by me at least. Take care of yourself, hand it there, do the work, time will pass and it will be worthwhile. Best of luck.
Bravo, indeed, I totally agree with you.
Slim_tim, learn and respect the fact that people can have wildly diverse personalities and ways of expressing themselves that may be completely different from your own. (Also for the record, David Icke is a total nutjob.)
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Hey, thanks guys. I talk to Guichet almost every day, more so in the beginning like multiple times a day but now theres not too much to talk about. Today was all about a minor complication. Basically, the nail in my right leg was stuck too far, very common and happens to almost everyone, and thus the clicking can be painful initially.
I completely understand where Slim_Tim is coming from. I remember before I did the surgery, I would read about diaries online passively while listening to music or watching a TV show while eating cereal and thinking to myself, "damn, i am a tough mudafka. how hard can this stuff be?" after all, i never cry, not even when my cat died. i am rlly calm and cool emotionally and i wonder if LL will break my calmness. that is, i wonder if i'll cry during LLing. nah, i decided. okay, maybe once. but that's it. no biggie. go to Milan. train. get nails inserted. grow taller. how hard can it be...
and so, just like that I came and trained hard and was super pumped and wired Guichet his money. come the operation day, i was like "FINALLY!!" bc i was bored. battlefield 4 was getting boring and i was honestly looking forward to some good ol hardship come the day of the surgery. finally something to ocupy my mind, i thought. damn right. about time...
what happened next was all caught on camera. needless to say, it was completely unlike ANYTHING i had expected. true, there are some that "breeze through" LL. but i have met MANY patients of Guichet, some ongoing and some to get their nails removed after a few years. and i have yet to meet one who did not say that LL wasn't the single hardest thing they've ever done in their life. maybe my sample size is too small. maybe this LL cruiser guy is elusive and hard to find. or perhaps he is a myth, written by those who only capture the best moments of their journey bc when they r down, they cannot even muster the motivation to type a diary. who know?
all i know is that for me, LL is one tough piece of and i wasn't prepared for it. i prepared as hard as i could, to a point where Dr Guichet is allowing me to do 10cm. i read many diaries and even made my own. i spoke and skyped with all i could. i meditated on how tough it was. and yet... i was wrong. BIG time. so i cannot blame anyone for miscalculating the difficulty of this task. i myself was at fault of this blunder.
that's why i am making vids. perhaps with vids, ppl will better understand the reality of LL where mere words fail to capture. but even with vids, the true nature of LL will elude many. that's totally cool. that's how it was meant to be. we r humans after all. ;)
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Hey Leechlet, I like your attidue: Yeah, I have pain, but "what's the alternative?" Getting back to short stature society?
The glass is half full bro, and that light, there's always that light at the end.
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I get you leechlet, I apologise for my former comment. I was just jealous and frustrated on your thoughts of quitting while even having the best doctor in the world doing it for you, while my ass is off to Dr.sarin to butcher my legs.
Can you explain the pain you are feeling in your legs with detail and what goes thru your mind at that moment about the pain. E.x 15:32 to 15:46 while just laying there in pain.
And are you not on painkillers to numb the pain away?. Or is the pain to powerfull?
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You look and more positive now leechlet on your latest video (watch?v=ngJ2p1AtEJc), way to go!
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Hey Slim_tim,
Dont even worry about it. LLing is tough. No matter what is said or done or what dr u use, at the end of the day it's going to be rlly tough on every front, especially mentally. That's why i think we should all stick together. I'll always be there if u r going through a rough time during ur journey bc i know how gruesomely difficult the mental journey of a LLer could be.
I am not sure which vid u r referring to since i have over 150 vids, but in general the pain that followed surgery is like a very intense soreness. the sharp pain of the nail stabbing into my leg during clicking is like someone pushing something into my muscles, it's hard to describe but i feel like passing out.
all in all, things r getting better and that's something to look forward to. i am going strong to 5, and then hopefully 10cm. ;)
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hey guys, so i just woke up from a rlly long nap and talked with dr guichet. i am rlly emotionally unstable right now, which is werid bc i am usually a very calm and rational person before the surgery. i prized myself in my ability to think calmly and emotionlessly even in the toughest situations. but in the last two weeks, i have been all over the place emotionally, sometimes laughing one minute and crying the next, sometimes loving LLing and wanting to go 10cm and then do my tibia and sometimes hating it and wanting to go home NOW.
in many ways, i think that's the toughest part of LLing. but it's perfectly normal according to Dr Guichet. i feel like i have no control over my emotions anymore. i don't know if any old LLers out there can relate to this, but it's strange and frightening and humiliating bc i am not longer a stoic thinking machine that i once was. LL definitely brought me down a few pegs and now i don't even try to fight it. if i want to express my emotions and it's not harmful to others, i do it bc then it just passes away afterwards.
so basically, my posts r gonna be rlly all over the place but just bear with it bc it's normal. it's getting better day by day
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leechlet,
Can anyone come over and stay with you for a while? Like anyone from family, friends, etc.? Most of the emotionally unstabilizing factors come from being lonely (not having someone to talk with right next to you - skype and phone doesn't count) and pain. Are you taking pain meds, or is Dr. Guichet very conservative about this also? Tramadol really helps in moments of intense muscle pain.
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Hi Chris!
I am not in any pain and haven't taken pain med for almost a week now. Sometimes, I would take a tramadol if i am depressed just to get high. I know, that's sounds rlly stupid but it helps and i've only done it a couple times so it's all chill and i stopped doing it once my mood stablized more. i found that i am much more needy than before the surgery. i hang out with my helper now and we talk about philosophy and i teach him economics and english and stuff. we r going to church on sunday. i am much more social now in a bipolar kinda way. i talk to random ppl in the center just to get attention. i think the mood swing is mostly due to just hormones and emotions. but now i am slowly getting used to the reality that i am actually doing LL and things r gonna be like this for a while, so just chillax and try to enjoy it and learn what i can from this very unique journey
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Lol, I know exactly what you mean bro. I love the dreams I get when I take Tramadol. Last time I took it, I was in Germany, in Dr. Betz's office. Everyone was German but they were speaking in English -with a German accent- and Betz was wearing a white doctor's shirt. However, his office was like a butcher shop or a sanitorium, haha.. The room was full of coolers and weird white machines.. Then a hot nurse got in, unfortunately that's when I woke up.. Man I know this sounds dangerous and freaky but I seriously love Tramadol.
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Hey Leechlet, are you still taking the anticoagulant?
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Hi mediocre,
I am taking blood thinners and anti inflamatory medicine. It's supposed to stop the bone from consolidating prematurely as far as I understand
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Hey guys,
Thanks for all the support. I think I'll be struggling with emotional issues for a while, and I have gotten into the habit of using my vids and this forum as an outlet for my feelings. I am super needy right now and I ask my helper Wilbert to accompany me until I fall asleep, watch me click, and stuff like that. Basically, kindagarden stuffs. This journey is kinda lonely to be honest and i need to get a life in Milan asap or i need to leave and finish in the US
Here is the vid of my xray and explains the problems I had last week. I had some very tough days last week, and this xray will explain it all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOTRL-zTkYg
This is a vid i made last week in my moment of suffering. I am in a lot worse mood than I sound. I am stoic like that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngJ2p1AtEJc
If u guys have any input that might help, please let me know. THis is a huge problem and rlly tested my commitment to this journey a million times
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How long are you supposed to take the blood thinners, entire lengthening phase?
Hi mediocre,
I am taking blood thinners and anti inflamatory medicine. It's supposed to stop the bone from consolidating prematurely as far as I understand
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They don't have digital file of the x-rays? Would be easier to analyze the small details if you could get one, usually burned to CD.
Hey guys,
Thanks for all the support. I think I'll be struggling with emotional issues for a while, and I have gotten into the habit of using my vids and this forum as an outlet for my feelings. I am super needy right now and I ask my helper Wilbert to accompany me until I fall asleep, watch me click, and stuff like that. Basically, kindagarden stuffs. This journey is kinda lonely to be honest and i need to get a life in Milan asap or i need to leave and finish in the US
Here is the vid of my xray and explains the problems I had last week. I had some very tough days last week, and this xray will explain it all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOTRL-zTkYg
This is a vid i made last week in my moment of suffering. I am in a lot worse mood than I sound. I am stoic like that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngJ2p1AtEJc
If u guys have any input that might help, please let me know. THis is a huge problem and rlly tested my commitment to this journey a million times
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hi, i am not sure. the paper says a few weeks but dr guichet changes his mind suddenly a not without notifying me. for example, he told me to do 21 clicks a day and today out of no where he suddenly emailed me and said he hope i am not still doing 21 clicks a day. wtf. was i supposed to just change my click rate randomly? he is a bit unorganized bc he is rlly busy. he is always traveling to other countries for a few days and have meetings and stuff.
and no, they dont have digital files apparently. i know that's so werid bc in the US all my xrays r digital. but here in the isokinetic center, i see other patients carrying around their xray in a bag
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Yeah, it's weird cuz our hospital has not used films/negatives (only digital) for the past 2 years now. It's tough to make life size x-rays from negatives just by videoing or taking photo; plus we have different screen resolutions for youtube.
Either way, x-ray negatives are in no way a reflection of how good the LL program.
I hope Dr Guichet can address your issue with right femur lengthening. I'm just surprised why he's not aware you're doing 21 clicks daily; and being busy is not a reason. Unless it's a simple slip of the mind.
Anyway, you're more than 1 inch taller now!
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Hi, thanks!
Dr Guichet just emailed me back angrily and told me to follow orders. In his book he gave me, it said in small font that after 8 days, to decrease from 21 to 15 clicks daily. That's his style. He officially tells u everything but emphasizes nothing, and expects u to figure it out. I am starting to get used to it. ;)
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Hi Leechlet. Your videos are truly inspiring and as honest as anyone could aver hope and wish for. They show the reality of LL, and that is invaluable and hard to come by.
If you don't mind my asking, what is your total lengthening goal and why?
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Okay, so it's supposed to be in the book. ;)
Hi, thanks!
Dr Guichet just emailed me back angrily and told me to follow orders. In his book he gave me, it said in small font that after 8 days, to decrease from 21 to 15 clicks daily. That's his style. He officially tells u everything but emphasizes nothing, and expects u to figure it out. I am starting to get used to it. ;)
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Hi Tall,
My goal innitially is 10cm. It still is. I choose this bc I want to do 10cm again on my tibia a few years later after I start my own company and is able to pay for it. That was before I got the surgery...
Right after the surgery, I was suffering so much I seriusly thought about going back to America right away and just letting my 1cm that I've gotten during the surgery heal up and call it quits, maybe take out the nail a few month later.
Now, at almost 3cm, I am much more calm and have yet another view. I want to go to 10cm still, but I am much less certain about the 10cm on tibia in the future. Honestly, i dont' even think about my "goal" anymore. There r so many hard days that the last thing I want to do during my hrs of suffering and no sleep is to think " , I still sighed up for much MORE of this stuff..."
i take one step at a time now, but thinking of the past or the future is sooo stressful and counterproductive. it's like grinding online poker. u don't set out to build a huge bankroll. u improve ur game and play each hand as perfectly as a hand could be played. and then pretty soon u have a bankroll.
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Can you walk without support?
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Hi Tall,
My goal innitially is 10cm. It still is. I choose this bc I want to do 10cm again on my tibia a few years later after I start my own company and is able to pay for it. That was before I got the surgery...
Right after the surgery, I was suffering so much I seriusly thought about going back to America right away and just letting my 1cm that I've gotten during the surgery heal up and call it quits, maybe take out the nail a few month later.
Now, at almost 3cm, I am much more calm and have yet another view. I want to go to 10cm still, but I am much less certain about the 10cm on tibia in the future. Honestly, i dont' even think about my "goal" anymore. There r so many hard days that the last thing I want to do during my hrs of suffering and no sleep is to think "s**t, I still sighed up for much MORE of this stuff..."
i take one step at a time now, but thinking of the past or the future is sooo stressful and counterproductive. it's like grinding online poker. u don't set out to build a huge bankroll. u improve ur game and play each hand as perfectly as a hand could be played. and then pretty soon u have a bankroll.
Hey Leechlet, what is Dr. Guichet's opinion regarding proportions. Does he believe adding 20 cm of height will keep one within proportion? How about 10 cm in total? Thanks!
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I would like to do LL with Dr Guichet could you please give me his email?
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Leechlet,
I think you're very brave for speaking your mind about your doctor and clearly telling about all the problems you are facing at the moment. Dr. Guichet is a very good doctor, but his attitude of "I know it best", I'm afraid, makes people think that he's the best doctor one can possibly go. Before they do LL, one should keep in mind that there is no such thing as "best doctor". Every doctor can be the "best" for one patient while being the "worst" for another. I admired Dr. Guichet thoroughly examining my legs for more than an hour in his office when I visited him in Milano, but unlike Dr. Paley (who made me take an EOS scan) or Dr. Inan (who made me take on Orthoroentgenogram), basically X-rays of the legs, all Dr. Guichet did was get my muscle power and endurance tested at the Isokinetic Center. He didn't ask for X-rays. He looked at the angle at which I could bend my legs, and concluded, "You can't lengthen more than 3,5 cm's". "Come back when you're ready". He told me that I could go to France and train with his physiotherapist for a couple months there to increase my leg muscle mass by at least thirty percent.
Now at the time I found this logical and went to Pilates for a while to increase my flexibility. However, when I contacted Dr. Paley about my meeting with Dr. Guichet, this is what he told me. (http://s16.postimg.org/c7umhart1/image.jpg)
At that time, I recall saying "Wow.. So two of the greatest LL doctors don't agree with each other?" I was naive - Apparently, this happens quite often in the world of medicine. There is no single "Right answer" or "Wrong answer", and doctors might disagree.
Now close to 3 cm at my lengthening with Dr. Inan in Istanbul, I know what Dr. Guichet told me was bull , and Paley was right. I don't mean to be harsh, as I still respect Guichet a lot, but I'm a bit frustrated of having visited him in Milan, he made me dwell a month with unnecessary pre-op training and lost me precious time.
I'm finally posting this email after many months because I'm sick of people thinking "Overly cautious doctor is the best". It's not necessarily so.
I hope I didn't lower your morale by sharing this. You'll be fine, Leechlet, trust me. Your complication sounds like a minor issue. Maybe it's a consequence of using a ratcheting mechanism. I met a Guichet patient while I was in Milan, he's back in France now and in very good condition. You'll be in superb condition as well. Patience for all of us LL patients.. Good luck.
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Thanks for sharing that Chris. I always felt that Guichet's pre-OP training and requirements were a hack, and it's pretty obvious that other doctors would agree. You should visit him when you're 8 cm taller and say "look at me now bitch!" ;D
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Thanks for sharing that Chris. I always felt that Guichet's pre-OP training and requirements were a hack, and it's pretty obvious that other doctors would agree. You should visit him when you're 8 cm taller and say "look at me now bitch!" ;D
Look me at me now Guichet
Look at me now
I'm gettin papeeer
8)
Lol..
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Hi, after skyping with some of his old patients and viewing their xrays, I realized that dr guichet was right. This problem will get better over time and not impede on lengthening.
I was angry earlier and angry dialed him like 15 times, and then sent a bunch of fkK YOU emails to him. I even made some angry vids about how i hated him and how he's incompetent.
But, as I calmed down and started skyping with his old patients, I realized that this problem isnt really as bad as I thought.
I think I am going to stop posting on this forum for a while. It's rlly stressful having to explain what I am doing every step of the way especially since I am rlly emotinally unstable right now. I am physically stable now, but my mood is still stabilizing.
I am still going to continue making vids. But I don't want any feedback from the community at this time.
Thank you for understanding. I dont want to make something out of nothing again. I feel like an idiot. I am going to email him and apologize now.
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Best of luck. Take your time man. We can always Skype whenever you feel like talking to someone.
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Wow sending those F*** YOU are kind of harsh.
I hope you're feeling better emotionally now.
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Thanks for the video.
It's quite a different experience reading a comment about pain than it is to actually watch it on video and to be able to experience the moment. I wouldn't know that the clicking would bring that much pain have I not watch your video!
Not sure why the Dr. decided to go with the extra long screw on your right. Could it be a publicity stunt? Like everything will work out in the end?
And I don't think Dr. Guichet would mind your F* you email. I'm pretty sure he has received like this type of email before from his patients and he could understand what his patients are going through.
I think I'm pretty good at telling ppl not to give up. Feel free to give me a call whenever you feel like giving up at 1 206 866 5950 or PM your facebook id. Cool, take-care.
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hey guys!
please hold off the commenting for a while as i said i want to lay off the forum for a while
of course i didn't say f u to him. i expressed my anger in a much more civil yet obviously angry way. just two concise paragraphs about how i think he installed the screw wrong and how as the best LL doc in the world, he should admit to his mistake. i told him that i admit the problem is small, but that this is an attack on his personality rather than on the end result of LLing and i wanted an apology.
but behind my civil words, u can definitely see the anger, especially since i anger dialed him 15 times after he obviously hanged up on me
here is my vid explaining what happened
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61LvCTtFda8
let me make the next post. that will signal when i ready to return to the forum
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hey smallguy
love to skye and be friend with u on fb! its expensive to make calls to the US here, but my skype is LeechletLL
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hey guys, havent posted for a while. here is dr guichet's response to my problem
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I understand your concern as it is the problem linked to this period of lengthening with healing reaction and tension over the nail, screws… everywhere! The right side hurts more during clicking because ratchets are lifted on that side by clicking rotation. Pain is increased by strong healing with local inflammation, which is completely normal and happens in all patients. It is the fact of lengthening. IT WILL SOLVE BY ITSELF.
You nail is perfectly inserted and very solid. There is no fracture or other sign at risk, as you suspected at once. We insert the nail through the skin and soft tissues and getting perfect symmetry without opening and identical positioning among patients is impossible, and not needed. The small things that you think are important on x-rays have no real implications, and some patients have far longer screws than you with no pain at all. Your pain is not linked to that but to the healing phase. Other things are far more important: getting good screws and nail to allow full walking, sports, doing bike from the first post-operative day, evaluation we provide on muscles and bone quality, preoperative professional training, following the recommendations, etc.
To make thing clear for your complaint, you have 0 pain out of clics, 0 pain during clic on the left and a pain of 2/10 on the right at clicking and this without any pain killers. It is self explanatory. The rest is a large stress reaction induced by the lengthening. So do not worry.
As I told you, the changes in the body added to the lengthening principle (you get in 2 months what Natural growth provides in the femurs in 60 months; it is like running at 300 miles per hour for a human being!!!), are unknown and destabilize your psychological side, creating psychological stress.
The only concern in the thorough follow-up I offer to my patients is to check there is nothing abnormal, which is confirmed for you, and to accept the fact of lengthening and healing. So you need to control your stress in this life experience, as you would do if you jumping from a bridge with an elastic cord.
I perfectly understand your stress, but it should not deviate you to strictly follow ALL recommandations (10 sessions of full exercices per day, 1.5 hours of bike per day, 1 hour pif walking per day (difficult to perform in other tens with other nails), in order to optimize your recovery and healing. Any deviation (generally due to a high stress level) will slow down the functional recovery.
We are here to coach you and help you closely in your procedure, with a constant and thorough control.
Have a nice day.
Jean-Marc Guichet, MD, PhD, Doct. Sci.
SELARL du Docteur Jean-Marc Guichet
Centre Phocea, 14 Bd Ganay
13009 Marseille - France
Office: +33.491.777.547
Office (mobile): +33.664.163.890
E-Mail: jeanmarcguichet@gmail.com
Web: www.allongement-os-grandir.com
Studio SOMA
Via Nicola Piccinni, 3
20130 Milano (MI)
Italy
Office: +39.328.634.2941
E-Mail: jeanmarcguichet@gmail.com
Web: www.allongement-os-grandir.com
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ust a quick update,
The screw problem on the right is no longer causing pain, or at least not as much. It's still harder to click the right than the left, but no where near as bad as a week and half ago.
Right now, I have bigger problems to worry about. I lost over 10% body weight. It's weird, bc despite getting LLing and gettting Julia back (if u've been following my channel, i started talking to my college sweetheart again, the girl i got LL for), i am depressed and lack energy all the time. This is partially psychological as I ran out of things to live for and need to make new goals, but it's mostly due to the fact that my body has lost a tremendous amount of mass. Dr Guichet said that if this continues, i am at risk for suicide.
I asked for anti depressants, but he said the best thing is to EAT MORE and MOVE MORE. to be honest, i have been skipping trainning a lot to be in bed all day listening to sad music and contemplating my life and sleep. i don't even have any interest in women anymore. i can't even finish one campaign on SC2, something i used to be able to play 14 hrs a day.
this is why i haven't been posting. i just want to be alone. i feel tired and weak. i am no longer in pain, and stopped pain medication long ago. i feel like a teenager again, a pre adolesence teenager. i appreciate music 18973457432975x more than before.
i am determined to slowly gain back my weight and keep up with the rehab routine. i have been rlly behind the trainning, but dr guichet thinks i can still get to 10cm if i get my shi* together NOW. and you bet i will. all my life, things have been handed to me. all my life, i put blame on others. my parents would've paid for any LL doctor I asked for. i got Julia back, she who accepted me when i was short and now supports me despite not agreeing to this contraversial surgery. and yet, i lay wasted in the battlefield.
it's time to GET BACK UP. it's time to FIGHT BACK
just watch me. i have everything i asked for on paper. if i fail now, there's no one to blame but myself. this is my hour of EVOLUTION. i will come back to my family and beautiful Julia, not just 10cm taller, but a much stronger and more compassionate person. this is not given to me. this is something i have to earn for myself
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Hey, dude...don't think anymore about 10 cm!...instead, think about every click and exercise and eating and resting you have to put in actual practice and in concrete now..here and now...so go for just these four things!
They will lead you to your goal or very close to it.
We cheer for you, Leechlet!
P.S.: Dr Guichet should re-evaluate all his psychological evaluation stuffs with dr Bisagni :)...his psychiatrist would go mad with you, my friend!
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Hey, thanks guys for reading and replying to my posts! Thanks Apotheosis for your masterful advise! I was going to re-raise Guichet for another barrel until I read your message. It's interesting how calmly he took the whole thing. He told me how he spent one hr arguing on the phone with a patient and how my explosions are normal and in my opinion shorter in time cost and my arguments are much more rational.
Anyhow, I feel rlly happy this morning. Cheesy It is 8AM. I am gonna make a vid to capture this too, but I just felt like posting. I dont feel depressed anymore. I did a lot of mental rewiring in the last few days. Am i still underweight? Am I still suffering from bad sleep quality? Am I still handicapped? Yes, all these conditions are still true...
So what changed?
Well, let me start off by saying that 6 month ago, if I was to write a list of all my goals on a paper, it would look like this:
1. get LL (somehow, I don't know how I will pay for it)
2. get a girl who compliments me
3. contribute something unique to this world
4. win the World Series of Poker
Now, today I have
1. gotten LL, to all the terms and conditions i specified
2. gotten not only A girl, but THE girl back --> Julia Cool
3. did the first extensive Vlog of LL soon to be keyword indexed to show up front on youtube when searching "limb lengthening". see if my silicon valley friends can top that. Grin okay sure, they have companies. but i am the only guy i know doing LLing, let alone documenting it
4. still have to win the WSOP. but that's gonna have to wait until 2015 at least i think, probably never...
So basically on paper i gotten a lot of the things I wanted, but I still felt empty. I caught myself wishing that:
1. I owned a large company like my friends and more importantly my dad, who always overshadowed me
2. changed the world in doing so. that's something my dad can't claim
3. etc etc
You get the point. And then, I was like "hold up dude, wtf!" i mean, seriously. i spent the last half a decade or so pursing my previous goals. and now that i've gotten it, i am just gonna move on and not care about LL anymore? i realized that success in achieving my goals brought MUCH LESS lasting happiness than i expected. in total, getting my wishes probably brought me no more than 50 hours of happiness. so i spent 100k for 50 hours of happiness.... that's like Paris Hilton number!!
so i decided to change my strategy in life. i decided that i need to learn to appreciate what i have more. i think it's more than luck that my helper Wilbert is a poor but deeply religious man. he is someone who has nothing and yet appreciates everything, and so he is very content inside. i am like almost the opposite. i was always that brat who screamed and then got things my way. i bend ppl to my will. for example, the psychologist thought given time, i wouldn't need to get LL. but i MADE SURE he moved out of my way. that's my style. i distort reality. i am never contented. i am always seeking the next high and taking shots. which is fine, i think. but there's has to be a balance. basically, i made a conscious decision that i am not going to wait until i achieved my next goal before i can be happy. i can be happy NOW
i wake up and go to sleep thinking of all the good things i have NOW. and i bask myself in this moment to remember that yes, despite being handicapped, i am sooo lucky to purse my dream at such a young age, even if my dream turned out to be a lot tougher than i thought. but i thought back to my tough times in life, and i realized that some of my happiest moments where when things didn't go smoothly and easily. those were the moments i rlly dailed in and evolved. watching my surgery vids, it now puts a smile on my face. sure, it was some hard days, but it fundamentally changed me, put a new level of fearlessness in an already loose aggressive player, and gotten me the courage to get Julia back.
in life, i realized that things come and go sooo fast. before i know it, i will be back in Cali starting my own company. and then a little while later, i'll get married. and maybe my company will go public. i start a charity, and then... soon i will age and pass away. such was my dream. life is not a waiting game, but a game of finding the good and getting the most out of every opportunity. i can never be immortal, although that had always been my highest ambition. but i realized that real immortality is when i can seize the moment and fully embrace myself in that experience, no matter the experience. we r just random creatures traveling though a giant bread of time and space. a very thin slice of time and space...
today is Feb 10th. i am going to go to the Isokinetic Center instead of skipping it. i am going to smile at all the ppl in there who r recovering just like i am. i embrace that Guichet's exercises r long and hard, and i prob will not complete all of it. but i will smile knowing that i have pushed harder today than i did a few days ago, and in a few days i will be doing his rehab program 100%. i am going to come back home and take the best nap of my life, knowing that i gave it all. i will smiling knowing that with each stretch and each turn of the bike wheel, i will retire my hatred for my old self. and that's rlly what this journey is all about. with each click, i repent for being such an ungrateful person. it's like going to prison. it's hard but it's also a glorious experience. today is Feb 10th. today is going to be the best day of my life. Wink
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Hi Chris, would you mind posting the cellphone screen capture again cuz it's too small on my monitor. Or just write your conversation with Dr Paley if it's not much trouble. Thanks bro.
Now at the time I found this logical and went to Pilates for a while to increase my flexibility. However, when I contacted Dr. Paley about my meeting with Dr. Guichet, this is what he told me. (http://s16.postimg.org/c7umhart1/image.jpg)
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ust a quick update,
The screw problem on the right is no longer causing pain, or at least not as much. It's still harder to click the right than the left, but no where near as bad as a week and half ago.
Right now, I have bigger problems to worry about. I lost over 10% body weight. It's weird, bc despite getting LLing and gettting Julia back (if u've been following my channel, i started talking to my college sweetheart again, the girl i got LL for), i am depressed and lack energy all the time. This is partially psychological as I ran out of things to live for and need to make new goals, but it's mostly due to the fact that my body has lost a tremendous amount of mass. Dr Guichet said that if this continues, i am at risk for suicide.
I asked for anti depressants, but he said the best thing is to EAT MORE and MOVE MORE. to be honest, i have been skipping trainning a lot to be in bed all day listening to sad music and contemplating my life and sleep. i don't even have any interest in women anymore. i can't even finish one campaign on SC2, something i used to be able to play 14 hrs a day.
Listening to sad music, lost of sexual interest, not playing SC2 anymore. Wow, I'm seeing many elements from my own personal life so I can totally relate to how you feel... except at least you got your girl back. Too bad she can't visit you in your condition.
It's amazing to see the kinds of things Dr. Guichet can put up with. He's definitely a great doctor, if not the best in the world. You're in good hands. Even if you close your eyes at this point and breeze through your 10cm, you will still be fine in the end. So I wouldn't worry.
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Hey, thanks guys for the encouragements and advice!
Today is the first day I completed all my training. I am starting to eat a lot more and actually gained back 1kg. My mood is a lot better and I sleep better and my nerve problem is a lot better now. I guess in hindsight, I should've followed directions more closely. I didn't think the exercies would be important. After all, I was tired and depressed and just wanted to sleep all day. How would come stupid workout possibly help, I thought? But I admit that my intuition was wrong this time... big time.
It wasn't until I started having nerve problems last week that I started to take guichet;s protocols more seriously. I was annoyed at Dr Guichet bc he seems to fuss about every little detail. I didn't see the point of it. But then I saw the other LLers and this girl even at 8.5cm, she could close her legs and was in a much better shape than I was. Same was true for others too. That's when it hit me... I seem to be the only one having nerve problems at only 3.5cm. Coincidentally, i am also the only one who ditch the Isokinetic Center more often than I ditched class in college. In fact, dr guichet said out of his 500 patients, I am one in TEN patients who couldn't close his leg at mere 3.5cm. That's pretty harsh. That's when i realized that I need to step up my game.
Damnit, I guess i was wrong. But that's okay. I was under a lot of emotional stress and depression and under such mental conditions, cognitive functions may be impaired. I am beginning to understand Dr Guichet better now. Make no mistake this guy is strict as hell. But his patients that I seen have all been getting rlly good results with no complications, and to be fair he rlly takes his time to answer my emails and calls. I think the advantage of using Guichet is taht he side steps major complications such as paralysis and such by controlling every aspect of the LL and using rigorous exercise programs for muscle adaptation. The disadvantage is that it's a lot of effort, and I definitely wasn't prepared for it. He is like the strictest parent ever, but that seems to get results.
Now, my mood have stablized and i have finally accepted the reality that I am not going to be spending the next 2-3 month playing games, and going back to the US 10cm taller like a boss. I accept the reality that I have to WORK and WORK every day, but this will allow me to return to walking and normal activities almost as soon as I stop lengthening. All in all, i think this journey had been hard bc no body in my life had pushed me as hard as Dr Guichet. In my state of instability, I just wanted to rebel. But that's normal, according to him. He said that ppl undergoing LL return to a child's state of mind.
PS. I shot some vids with dr guichet in a restruant yesterday. I say a lot of cra* about him, so I thought it was fair if he gets to share his view too. I think reality is always somewhere in the middle. In order to have a complete picture of the reality of LL, u have to listen to many different sides. U have heard my side, now I think he deserves to have his side heard too. I don't agree or disagree with him. I think he have many valid points. but i also think my emotional reactions were valid too given how much happened in the last few weeks.
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I came across this vid today. It was TOO epic that I could never make something better. They say good artist create, but great artist steal. So i am gonna just post this vid bc it pretty much summarizes what i am going through in the last few weeks better than anything I've made so far. I came into this journey as a young and totally immature guy. To be honest, most LLers I know have a much easier time than me. THat's bc in addition to adapting to my new height, I also had to do a TON of mental adaptation, maturing in a few weeks probably what I would otherwise do in YEARS.
I feel myself going insane sometimes bc my internal mental system is quickly breaking down and remaking itself to handle the new stress load that the 22 yo immature Leechlet who started this journey could never survive. NO shot.
Anyways, here is the epic vid I found on youtube!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgpvi83CXjY
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Hey guys! f**king Dr Guichet is the coolest f**king doc in the world. Check out this email exchange btwn us. I didn't know he was so compassionate and deep
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Hi Dr Guichet,
I was able to do all the exercises the last few days and my nerve problem pretty much went away. I still have problem with closing my leg together, but that's a work in progress.
As my mood stabilized, I realized that a lot of why I am getting LL is to impress and rebel against my parents. I don't feel secure inside because my parents never really approved of me. I didn't get into Harvard and at the ripe old age of 23 I am no where near starting the next Apple. They are disappointed in me and LL is a way for me to empower myself and rebel.
I think for this reason, I was rebellious against you because you are very similar to my dad in personality. I think for this reason also, I went with you right after the consultation. I liked you but at the same time wanted to rebel. It's a weird feeling, but I think the biggest reason for me to get LL is to feel more secure in myself when my parents don't approve of me. This is why I make the channel. I always want to do something unique and special that will change the world. I want to be special. I want approval.
Anyways, I am not sure if this email is interesting to you. But LL made me take a hard look at myself and my motives.
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Dear Leechet,
Of course, your e-mail is interesting me! It is what I thought exactly, and that is why I am here to help you to succeed your lengthening, and your 'initiatory journey’ through lengthening.
At the end, you should:
- Be able to act as an adult not seeking approval from your parents, but at least being respected and if possible admired (it will take time as you will have to succeed some professional trip)
- To feel secure in yourself and to seek approval in yourself not in others.
- To better balance important/accesssory elements in life
It is not easy, but if you’re open to changes and listening (to things you do not listen to others and also to your being, not your brain), it will work.
In the same time, if you can better understand relationships in life, with respect to other who do not have always good intentions, it will be excellent. Being able to go beyond the superficial contact and to be able to drive energy in others to boost them and better gather them will be very important in your life.
Not all managers are coming from Harvard, and some craziness is often the foundation of creation and success, e.g. Steve HJobs or multiple other people in the world. So do not worry, drive your energy in a controlled way and you will succeed.
And go out for a good Pizza in Fresco e Cimmino!
Have a nice week-end!
Jean-Marc Guichet, MD, PhD, Doct. Sci.
SELARL du Docteur Jean-Marc Guichet
Centre Phocea, 14 Bd Ganay
13009 Marseille - France
Office: +33.491.777.547
Office (mobile): +33.664.163.890
E-Mail: jeanmarcguichet@gmail.com
Web: www.allongement-os-grandir.com
Studio SOMA
Via Nicola Piccinni, 3
20130 Milano (MI)
Italy
Office: +39.328.634.2941
E-Mail: jeanmarcguichet@gmail.com
Web: www.allongement-os-grandir.com
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I think this guy not only does LL, but understands that LL is mostly psychological and offers that unique aspect of service. I am beginning to like him more and more as my mood stabilize. This guy should play cards. He reads me like Phil Ivey staring into ur soul, going for a 4-bet all in preflop bluff. Or maybe I am just rlly easy to read. Either way, I discoverd that a lot of my need for LL is bc of my need for approval from my dad rather than from girls and other conventional routs I thought would provide me validation. I think for this reason, i felt so empty even when i got someone as amazing as Julia. I remember when i had Julia for the first time, i didn't care about her and I just wanted to make a deep run in a big poker tourney, bc my dad always admired poker players. I just wanted him to say "good job" for once. Goddamnit. Freaking asian parents. They are harder to please than Guichet. Tongue
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Hey ppl!
What a wonderful day it is! I am feeling much happier this week. Doing the exercies helped a lot. I think the most important thing is to just get out of bed and experience LIFE instead of just lying in bed analyzing the shi* out of life and feeling sorry for myself
I am at 4cm today!
I devised a reward scheme for myself:
7cm - buy myself Thief 4!!! hell yaaaa!!!!!
9cm - get South Park Stick of Truth dont matter what the price
10cm+(max out the nail) - umm, i am not sure yet. but it's gonna be a big one Wink
So i woke up and asked myself what I am rlly looking forward to 2014. and i have waited for Thief 4 for over 10 years and I love south park. my best friend told me on fb to stop analyzing all the time and just live life. he's right. he bought me battlefield 4 before my surgery to show me this. love taht guy. gonna start a company with him one day prob
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How's it going now Leechlet?
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Hey Leechlet,
I am counting your days in total, 18 days post op in feb 15. You achieved 4cm already, I bet this only possible because of LL oriented PT session. Seems like you might achieve 10cm in less than two months if the keep up the current clicking rate.
Wow...good luck!
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Hey Leechlet,
I am counting your days in total, 18 days post op in feb 15. You achieved 4cm already, I bet this only possible because of LL oriented PT session. Seems like you might achieve 10cm in less than two months if the keep up the current clicking rate.
Wow...good luck!
Never mind I think I picked the wrong date for computation....I was looking at the video which was posted way later and thought that was the surgery day. :o
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Hi!
If i get to 10cm, it will be earliest beginning of June. I will be lengthening just slightly faster than the rate of consolidation, which means right after I stop clicking I will be able to walk soon. But it will take me many MANY month to lengthen.
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1mm/day = 100 days for 10cm.
Roughly about 3-4 months.
You sure you want 10cm? I'll do 5cm tibias and 5cm in femur in future.
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Since we are talking about lengthening amount. I have below plan for myself.
A) 8cm femur, 5 cm tibia
b) 7cm femur, 6cm tibia
c) 6.5cm femur, 6.5cm tibia
d) Anything available
Dr. Rozbruch thinks plan C is the best. I am worried if somehow I could not able to tibia for 6.5cm. I am doing my femur first and see how that goes.
Sorry Leechlet for hijacking your diary.
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Since we are talking about lengthening amount. I have below plan for myself.
A) 8cm femur, 5 cm tibia
b) 7cm femur, 6cm tibia
c) 6.5cm femur, 6.5cm tibia
d) Anything available
Dr. Rozbruch thinks plan C is the best. I am worried if somehow I could not able to tibia for 6.5cm. I am doing my femur first and see how that goes.
Sorry Leechlet for hijacking your diary.
Most doctors agree that 5 cm on the tibiae is the safest amount. It always depends on how well your body responds though, so it's tough to plan exactly how much we're going to lengthen before we actually do it.
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hey, no problem
1mm/ day is just the average
i am already slowing down to less than 1mm a day. soon, i will be doing 1/2 mm a day, just ahead of consolidation. this is bc guichet want to make sure there's minimal chance for nerve problems and allow maximum time for muscle adaptation. also, although lengthening will be long, near the end the bone will be almost consolidated, so the wait for full consolidation will be shorter
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Hey guys!
Just took new xray today. Should be at 4cm, but measured at 4.3. well, what the heck.
anyways, now that my mood stablized, i want to officially summarize what i would've done differently:
1. BRING A FAMILY MEMBER OR FRIEND!!!!!!! 70% of my suffering comes from loneliness and the feeling that my parents have abandoned me. i cried a lot wishing that my family wasn't so financially blessed and that my dad would spend more time with me rather than build his business.
2. get ur psychological affairs together before surgery. i had a ton of other mental problems, and i had to mature RLLY fast and it was tough. some ppl who r older and more mature breeze through LL, always going to training with a smile on their face. needless to say, i am not one of these ppl
3. don't just think about getting LL, meditate on GOING THROUGH LL. i was sooo focused on getting the surgery that i completely wasn't prepared for the long battle afterwards. the surgery is easy. i didn't take much pain killers bc i have a liver condition. i had my bones reamered extensively to get the 13mm nail. even then, it only hurt for a week. but the long fight is many MANY month
4. do sports and be a disciplined person physically before LL. the single hardest thing for me is waking up to do the training. i didn't start taking training seriously until i had nerve problems. then i started to get with the program and the problem solved itself. listen to Guichet. he's not always cool and emotionally supportive. but the guy gets results. have faith in him and try the training even if u do it on ur own, u gotta stay active. if u have the discipline to wake up at 6am to run for a hr a day or lift a few times a week, u will go through LL no problem. i couldnt remember the last time i commited to a workout routine
5. DON"T STAY IN BED ALL DAY!!!! even if u r tired, go out and talk to ppl. experience life. actually, THIS is probably the biggest mistake i made. yup
6. dont camp on the forum for validation. sometimes u get it. sometimes u won't. instead, socialize more with curent LLers and try to be chill about the comments non LLers make. they just don't understand the hardship yet. but they will Wink
7. try not to think about why ur doing LL too much. sometimes it leads to sadness. sometimes, it leads to anger. but always, it leads to an infinite regress of thought attacks. instead, just be chill about the fact ur doing LL and ur gonna have a unique experience that will make u 10x stronger than before ur journey. consider this your "hero's journey"
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Yeah, being alone breeds loneliness.
Italian language never inspired you to learn it?
Hey guys!
Just took new xray today. Should be at 4cm, but measured at 4.3. well, what the heck.
anyways, now that my mood stablized, i want to officially summarize what i would've done differently:
1. BRING A FAMILY MEMBER OR FRIEND!!!!!!! 70% of my suffering comes from loneliness and the feeling that my parents have abandoned me. i cried a lot wishing that my family wasn't so financially blessed and that my dad would spend more time with me rather than build his business.
2. get ur psychological affairs together before surgery. i had a ton of other mental problems, and i had to mature RLLY fast and it was tough. some ppl who r older and more mature breeze through LL, always going to training with a smile on their face. needless to say, i am not one of these ppl
3. don't just think about getting LL, meditate on GOING THROUGH LL. i was sooo focused on getting the surgery that i completely wasn't prepared for the long battle afterwards. the surgery is easy. i didn't take much pain killers bc i have a liver condition. i had my bones reamered extensively to get the 13mm nail. even then, it only hurt for a week. but the long fight is many MANY month
4. do sports and be a disciplined person physically before LL. the single hardest thing for me is waking up to do the training. i didn't start taking training seriously until i had nerve problems. then i started to get with the program and the problem solved itself. listen to Guichet. he's not always cool and emotionally supportive. but the guy gets results. have faith in him and try the training even if u do it on ur own, u gotta stay active. if u have the discipline to wake up at 6am to run for a hr a day or lift a few times a week, u will go through LL no problem. i couldnt remember the last time i commited to a workout routine
5. DON"T STAY IN BED ALL DAY!!!! even if u r tired, go out and talk to ppl. experience life. actually, THIS is probably the biggest mistake i made. yup
6. dont camp on the forum for validation. sometimes u get it. sometimes u won't. instead, socialize more with curent LLers and try to be chill about the comments non LLers make. they just don't understand the hardship yet. but they will Wink
7. try not to think about why ur doing LL too much. sometimes it leads to sadness. sometimes, it leads to anger. but always, it leads to an infinite regress of thought attacks. instead, just be chill about the fact ur doing LL and ur gonna have a unique experience that will make u 10x stronger than before ur journey. consider this your "hero's journey"
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No, i tried to but i wasn't inspired. However, I am trying to master 6max NLH. Before, I was a decent player at ring games, but I was only rlly a monster HU. HU i completely crushed for the stakes I played. i bought a few books and subscribed to some coaching sites to get my 6max game up to far. I will never be a superb full ring player bc it's boring. I think it's standard just to multitable abc poker in a full ring. But 6max allows me to find delicate bluff spots and isolate to play most hands HU or 3 way.
So far, i have been MUCH happier, waking up every day looking forward to the day. In collge, i skipped class a lot of master HU. now i am skipping isokinetic a lot ot master 6max. feels like a teenager all over again 8)
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ps. one thing i think is much more important than height in this journey is that it taught me mroe about who i am. I learned that the most important thing for me to be happy is to have an intellectual stimulation, something where i can hack, analyze, and achieve mastery in the mind. i didn't hate college as much as i thought. i just hated waking up to go to class. but i loved learning.
although its cool to be taller, there's no way i am gonna get there if i am bored and depressed. if u guys know any other mentally stimulating activity that u can master, let me know. i am gonna buy some scale models and rlly start learning how to wet blend and do some advanced stuffs on that too. that's something i've always wanted to do and i also find that rlly challenging and fun
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Yeah, I agree. There's more technical stuffs with 6max and short handed plays.
Just go easy with grinding cuz your body needs sleep.
No, i tried to but i wasn't inspired. However, I am trying to master 6max NLH. Before, I was a decent player at ring games, but I was only rlly a monster HU. HU i completely crushed for the stakes I played. i bought a few books and subscribed to some coaching sites to get my 6max game up to far. I will never be a superb full ring player bc it's boring. I think it's standard just to multitable abc poker in a full ring. But 6max allows me to find delicate bluff spots and isolate to play most hands HU or 3 way.
So far, i have been MUCH happier, waking up every day looking forward to the day. In collge, i skipped class a lot of master HU. now i am skipping isokinetic a lot ot master 6max. feels like a teenager all over again 8)
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For a starter, I can show an inspiring video, and this pretty much is about life, and fulfillment, and caring for the wrong things, living the present moment; and not about LL.
Make sure you've got good audio.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3JzcCviNDk
if u guys know any other mentally stimulating activity that u can master, let me know...
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Ya, definitely man. You are totally right. I am keeping in mind that I am only doing this to pass time during LL, and that my main battle it to grow taller. I just need a mental "drug" so to speak. In the first week, Guichet visited every day and we talked hrs about his research and stuff so it was stimulating. But idk, that stuff gets boring after a while so I just need a daily intellectual "high" to feel pumped to get up and do training.
and thanks for the vid! will definitely download to iphone. got a ton of motivational vids on there now to take with me for training :D
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Hi ppl,
Today, I have decided taht I am going to do the training on my own. I hate waking up for the isokinetic center and I think 90 euros a day so some dude can tell me to go bike on a machine and then go stretch on a bed would make even the mafia cringe.
Furthermore, I have decided that I am not longer set on 10cm. I don't give a fuc* what the internet thinks. But I skyped with a lot of ex patients, and pushing past the point ur body tells u to stop is what leads to complications. So far, i am at 4.5 and i have no problem. I am happy with 7, but will take 6cm. 8 is cool. 9 is awesome. 10 is great of course. but i have no goals. I just take my LL one click at a time. i think this is the way LL should be. wisdom
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For a starter, I can show an inspiring video, and this pretty much is about life, and fulfillment, and caring for the wrong things, living the present moment; and not about LL.
Make sure you've got good audio.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3JzcCviNDk
thanks for sharing the video, it just makes us think about all this, and wonder if we are truly living the present and enjoy our life because this moment we are living right now is NOT coming back. :'(
and Leechlet, the best for you buddy
hope you achieve everything you want. It's really nice to read all your posts and realize that your thoughts have really changed. Thumbs up :)
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Hi ppl,
Today, I have decided taht I am going to do the training on my own. I hate waking up for the isokinetic center and I think 90 euros a day so some dude can tell me to go bike on a machine and then go stretch on a bed would make even the mafia cringe.
Furthermore, I have decided that I am not longer set on 10cm. I don't give a fuc* what the internet thinks. But I skyped with a lot of ex patients, and pushing past the point ur body tells u to stop is what leads to complications. So far, i am at 4.5 and i have no problem. I am happy with 7, but will take 6cm. 8 is cool. 9 is awesome. 10 is great of course. but i have no goals. I just take my LL one click at a time. i think this is the way LL should be. wisdom
Hey Leechlet, are you currently having any problems like duck ass as to speak? :) You have done 4.5 and i would like to say i'm really proud of your achievements :D You are doing fine man, just keep it up till 6 and i'm sure you'll feel very happy even if you don't decide to go further :) Keep it up man.
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hi, yes, i have duck ass and problems closing my legs. but my joints have full range of motion. i will make some vids soon showing my current condition. probably at around 5cm? idk, like this weekend probably as well as show my new xrays
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Okay people!
So I am at 5 week post op at about 4.6cm doing 12 clicks a day. Here is my new xray I taken last week:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADtjlLDe_zk
When this was taken, I was at around 4.3 ish. I had been lazy and didn't make videos until I found my muse, which is buying Thief 4. ;D
Things are much more chill now and I am actually enjoying this journey. It's super chill as heck.
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I've never seen such a good x-ray photo before in terms is medics.
Perfect alignment, great callus, straight bone, ... .
(Compared to patients who did LL for a cheap price)
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You rat bastard leechlet haha, keep going you be done in no time. 8)
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Hey Leechlet,
I know Guichet puts alot of emphasize in the strenght of the G-nail.
I know in the last videoe you mentioned you will be in crutches after lengthening, are you not able to walk on G-nail without crutches?
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Hey guys, this is what guichet emailed me a few days ago
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For your adventure, two things:
First, it is normal your bad mood is normal, and also you are reacting more than some patients. However, when you will stop, your mood will raise again, and some patients who stopped a bit early regretted to have stopped too early. So, please go on at least to 60 or 70 mm. Average of my patients is 67 mm. Only 3 stopped earlier due to psychological intolerance. It is only a bit more, and after it will be over anyway. The mood improves as you could discuss with Ana or others. It improves generally in the second part of the second month. She wanted to stop and asked me to stop at 60 mm, then I pushed her to go further (she stopped at 85 mm) and now she is not regretting it at all, and she will recover fully with more happiness in life with a gain of 8.5 cm! For you, it is the same, if you can go on, you will feel far better at the end.
Secondly, you engaged in this process, and you will be fully satisfied if you can control your aim and go further. Fulfilling aims will be a tremendous help in your overall life. Do not stop at the middle of the desert, it is not the time for it. You came for changing your life. Now allow this procedure to change your life. As I told you and as you discovered, changing the life is not the cm, it is the spirit of it. You are close to the top of the hill. Go on the top a because from the top, you will think differently. The top is not 10 cm. But 65 to 75 mm, and achieve at least this. You will be a complete winner in life and do not leave your life pointing out some partial aspects of a looser. Even if it is tough. Win it.
Running the lengthening in a room alone is not good at all. It is better where there are other people. And you will feel far better also if you go out a bit, in some restaurants, etc. I understand that it is not easy and that your mood is not willing of that, but just do it. You will have very difficulties times in your life (work problems , divorce, etc, hopefully not), and succeeding what you are doing will be a tremendous help in your life and will guide you in the future.
And do not hesitate to contact me or call me in order to boost you!
Have a nice week. I'll will see you on Saturday.
Best regards,
Jean-Marc Guichet, MD, PhD, Doct. Sci.
SELARL du Docteur Jean-Marc Guichet
Centre Phocea, 14 Bd Ganay
13009 Marseille - France
Office: +33.491.777.547
Office (mobile): +33.664.163.890
E-Mail: jeanmarcguichet@gmail.com
Web: www.allongement-os-grandir.com
Studio SOMA
Via Nicola Piccinni, 3
20130 Milano (MI)
Italy
Office: +39.328.634.2941
E-Mail: jeanmarcguichet@gmail.com
Web: www.allongement-os-grandir.com
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This is what I emailed him today after a few days on my own to get my act together
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Hi Dr Guichet,
Attached is my updated excel sheet. I am doing better now. I started:
1. mindfulness meditation
2. looking at the sun for 20 minutes a day
3. walking around more. i get my own food and actually go to the bathroom to pee, etc
4. waking up and going to sleep saying appreciation. i am really lucky to be doing LL in the best of conditions with the best of surgeon and no major problems and even at 5cm, I still have full motion of the joints still
I made some videos of my flexibility and walking, because I think it's important for the world to realize two things:
1. most of my problems are now in my mind, and physically I really don't have any pain or any issues
2. BRING A FAMILY MEMBER!!! That's what i tell your new patients. I tell them that I made a huge mistake coming to LL on my own, especially at my age with my level of maturity before coming to Milan.
I'll do a new xray next week and I plan on going back to the US end of March. By then I will be 7-7.5 cm depending if we slow down clicking or not. I think I will just lengthen as much as I can and just stop when I feel pain or if my muscle gets too tight. So far, my muscles appears soft and normal, no discomfort or anything. But I am really not going to push it if it starts getting hard. I decided that I can just come back and do my tibia or my femur again in a few years because by then I can definitely afford to do it on my own.
Thanks for your support. People on the forum are starting to talk about how you are very supportive unmatched by other doctors. I think that's the right consensus because LL is so psychological that support is a necessary part of the package, and any doctor who doesn't offer that is not giving the full LL experience.
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Hey all!
Thanks for the support!
I think it wasn't clear before, it is very clear to me now that doing LL on my own and staying inside the same room all day every day and not seeing the sun for 2 weeks and only using tramadol to feel happy and get high is the worst way to LL.
I made some new vids to be uploaded. Physically, I am shocked at how normal I appear. Because in my mind, I am pretty grumpy. But I decided to be more mindful and meditate and also just to be more appreciative of life and I say a thanks for every little thing. I know it sounds stupid, but it actually works. Also, I started to be in the sun and just breathing fresh air. It's amazing how much these things combined helps.
Sure, I have a helper 24/7. but his english sucks and we can't rlly have a real conversation. besides, he is super Christian, so every time we get into a deep conversation it turns into an argument of bible vs science, and u know how that can go...
please learn from my blunder and bring a family member with you!!!! it helps!!!!
lastly, i will leave by saying an appreciation:
"I am appreciative that I am doing LL with one of the best and most supportive surgeons in the world. I am at 5cm with no complications, fully funded with a 24.7 helper. I am so lucky to pursue my dream. And although LL was much harder than I thought, I am lucky to put my heart to rest on a matter that bothered me for a long time.
Finally, although the review for Thief 4 is ty, I am happy that I lived long enough to see this wonderful franchise die. Alas, all good things must come to an end. Death is inevitable, and I am sure there are countless other good games waiting for me. Finally Theif 4 is released in Europe, and I will make the best of this game and have as much fun as possible. I thank God for giving me this wonderful opportunity to play Thief one last time"
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Dr guichet sure knows how a the mind of LLer works. They say surgeons are only as good as their post-op aftercare.
Mind thing is probably the toughest thing during LL.
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Omg, u r one of the few ppl who can actually see that. That's what i always tell ppl on skype. The pain and stuff is nothing compared to the stress on the mind. ur crippled and day after day u wonder why u did this to urself. that's like 3823475938759384 times harder than the pain, which although bad, passes rather quickly and is now nothing more than a distant memory, something to be giggle at while watching my old vids in the hospital
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Maybe next time we'll need mental stretching on top of physical stretching prior to LL.
You're not only gaining height Leechlet, but also mental toughness. You can now face whatever life's curveball you'll face from hereon.
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Leechlet's advice is gold, folks. I've never seen anyone else express the realities of LL so neatly. Before LL, you picture yourself as if you're going to war, you prepare yourself for a physical pain you don't know where and how it's going to come from, so you expect and prepare for the worst. You prepare for physical torture. You do LL, there's some pain during the first week post-op, then you can't believe everything works so painless and all your expectations didn't reflect reality. True, there are some mild annoyances, like the nerve pain I have on my right foot at the moment around 6 cm of lengthening, but it's not painful; it's just very, very annoying because it won't go away. It starts to ache when I sit for a long time, so I usually try to stay in bed, and arrange business meetings carefully to make sure I get enough rest. Leechlet is right; LL isn't physical torture, it's mental torture, when your friends dress nicely and head out to the nightlife scene, LL is realizing that you've crippled yourself and won't be able to join them. It's that disgusting sad look people give you when they see you in a wheelchair, assuming that you're handicapped for life, and rushing to help even though you're still capable of doing everything on your own. I did LL to break a mental barrier that other people have towards short people, but I realized that there's also a mental barrier against handicapped people, and I can really emphatise with them now. I have decided to be an advocate of the rights of disabled people for all my life once I recover from this.
I am very, and I mean very accustomed and used to loneliness and taking care of myself, if I did LL 3 years ago when I didn't have these skills, I'd never make it. There are about 15 days left for my lengthening phase to end, and I already feel I'm losing patience of being bedridden all day. Words can't express how boring and difficult it really is.
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amen to that brother
Hey guys, here are the vids to show my 5cm flexibility and mobility:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqANA1L17Rs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5mykxUnNW4
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Is this level of mobility expected at this stage of LL from Dr Guichet?
Or you're behind? Advanced?
amen to that brother
Hey guys, here are the vids to show my 5cm flexibility and mobility:
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Have you recovered from that Karate Chop, brother? :P
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Nice.
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Have you recovered from that Karate Chop, brother? :P
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damn, that does look kinda shady. i am gonna ask him about it and try to get him to explain it on camera
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This guy is in a nutshell .......naive, impulsive, sheltered, spoiled, psychologically unstable and immature.
How did this guy pass any psychological screening?
Hey guys!
After chatting a bit on fb about LL, listening to dubstep, and then reading other doctors, i came to the same conclusion i came to a long time ago. There's plenty of good doctors out there, and many ppl have succeeded with dr guichet as many more will surely in the future too.
He came to a conclusion. Go and watch how he flip flop a million time later about Guichet.
But the truth is this limb lengthening is so hard Had I known how hard it was I don't think I would've came here
Dr. G pushes me way too hard. I just want to go home. I just want to wake up and realize that this is all just a bad dream. this lengthening is the hardest thing I've ever done in my life by far.
Imagine this guy if he did external in some third world country. The hardest thing outside of playing video games maybe for you.
Hi, after skyping with some of his old patients and viewing their xrays, I realized that dr guichet was right. This problem will get better over time and not impede on lengthening.
I was angry earlier and angry dialed him like 15 times, and then sent a bunch of fkK YOU emails to him. I even made some angry vids about how i hated him and how he's incompetent.
But, as I calmed down and started skyping with his old patients, I realized that this problem isnt really as bad as I thought.
Thank you for understanding. I dont want to make something out of nothing again. I feel like an idiot. I am going to email him and apologize now.
Here goes the crazy patient harassing the Doctor.
Hi guys,
Thanks for all the honest suggestions. You are absolutely right. I realized tonight that Dr Guichet was completely right. My fear was holding me back a lot. I was afraid of too many "what ifs". I wanted to stay in the hospital, specifically on the bed getting served because I was afraid of the uncertainty of living at home.
I guess Dr Guichet saw right through me. Wilbert told me that other patients often have heavy bruising on their legs as well as leg flexibility. However, my results were perfectly fine, no bruising or anything. I was just scared out of my mind. Furthermore, the nurses at the hospital who responded to my whining and crying and tantrums made me fell better temporarily, but also positively reinforced my weak psychological state.
After I got discharged from the hospital and realized that I could walk on my own with the walker, I was like "wtf, was this rlly what I was so scared of all this time?"
But I am still amazed at how trapped I was in a psychological prison. I literally felt horrible pain and severe lack of mobility simply bc I thought I was suppose to be like that after two broken legs. Seriously, talk about placebo affect.
Then all is right with the world again.
the biggest challenge for me is to get through the mountain of exercises dr guichet ordered. also, i am not eating much as i don't have much appetite. finally, walking on a walker is a bitc*.
i literally call dr guichet every single day, sometimes multiple times a day, asking angrily if i can get a wheelchair. but i try to use logic bc i know he's a rational guy. each time, he insist NO. then, i just cry and complain to my helper wilbert
my mood is all over the place. that is perhaps the biggest problem of all. i feel happy and sad and angry and depressed and moved... all within a very short period of time. sometimes, there's a trigger. but most of the time, there's no trigger at all.
i have never had a period since i am a guy, but for u females out there, please let me know if it is similar to that phenomenon.
training is hard. i hate it. i want to skip training every single day, and even when i am there, i think of reasons why i am not able to perform or why i have to leave early.
i just want to be left alone to sleep, and to have someone bring me food and water and listen to why my life sucks.
i find is very hard to concentrate, and i want to change activities a lot. sometimes, i would get bored in the middle of clicking to watch some youtube videos, take a nap, and finish an hr later. i have zero discipline and i hate ppl tell me what to do. i want to rebel against the isokinetic center and to set free all the crippled ppl in there like freeing animals in a zoo. of course, that's ridiculous. but those r whats going on in my find.
More of the same. He's even sort of having a period.
i am depressed and lack energy all the time. This is partially psychological as I ran out of things to live for and need to make new goals, but it's mostly due to the fact that my body has lost a tremendous amount of mass. Dr Guichet said that if this continues, i am at risk for suicide.
I to be honest, i have been skipping trainning a lot to be in bed all day listening to sad music and contemplating my life and sleep. . i just want to be alone. i feel tired and weak. i am no longer in pain, and stopped pain medication long ago.
Again, self pity.
Hey guys
I emailed Dr Guichet today and said I want to quit limb lengthening. My right leg where the femur meets the pelvic is sooo painful that I could only do 5 clicks rather than the 7 that i was supposed to do. I am scared that the nail site is fractured and I was tired and stressed and I just started crying and told my helper that I want to go back to America.
I thought about quitting so many times and cried so many times that if I was to make a vid every time I cried I would have like a gazillion vids on my channel by now.
But for now, i just want to share with you guys what a spiritual and emotinal journey this advanture had been thus far
A spiritual journey and adventure.....via doing a cosmetic surgery. Where have we heard this crap before?
Hey guys! f**king Dr Guichet is the coolest f**king doc in the world. Check out this email exchange btwn us. I didn't know he was so compassionate and deep
As my mood stabilized, I realized that a lot of why I am getting LL is to impress and rebel against my parents. I don't feel secure inside because my parents never really approved of me. I didn't get into Harvard and at the ripe old age of 23 I am no where near starting the next Apple. They are disappointed in me and LL is a way for me to empower myself and rebel.
I think for this reason, I was rebellious against you because you are very similar to my dad in personality. I think for this reason also, I went with you right after the consultation. I liked you but at the same time wanted to rebel. It's a weird feeling, but I think the biggest reason for me to get LL is to feel more secure in myself when my parents don't approve of me. This is why I make the channel. I always want to do something unique and special that will change the world. I want to be special. I want approval.
Bipolar Disorder confirmed.
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Carter,
Come on now, leave the young one be. He's still recovering from the karate chop trauma to break "ze bone" (read it in Guichet's French accent)
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Post your diary to help others make their future LL decisions, get ridiculed on a forum.
Really not promising to those who want to write about their experiences with LL..
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Hey guys,
No it's cool. Carter is right. He has a good read on me and I can't argue with facts. But the thing is Carter, I honestly wasn't like this before. That's why i started making vids before the surgery. Before the surgery, I was training 4 hrs at the isokinetic center, and then another 3 hrs afterwards. and even before then, i was waking up day after day at 6am for almost a year to finish college and bring up my GPA so my parents could pay for this surgery.
ur right, as of now i am a pretty unstable. getting better now but when those posts were made, i was precisely as u describe. ur ridicule is thus valid.
but u know what? i don't care. I offer myself -- my WHOLE self -- to the internet so that the world may better understand this very risky and extensive procedure. criticism? hate? those were the prices I was well willing to pay. i decided from the first moment i started writing diaries that i will NEVER monetize my experience or have ANY financial tie with any LL doctors -- EVER...
why?
because i hear so many horror stories about people's lives getting ruined bc of LL. i am not rich and spoiled like u think. of couse i value money, but some things r higher than that. i decided that if i despite the ridicule and criticism, that some ppl could see LL closer to for what is actually is -- that if could HELP them -- that all the damage to my ego would be well worth it.
PS. poker is not a video game, it's a mental sport fyi ;)
best regard!
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PSS. anyone who goes through LL will suffer mentally. they will become more mentally unstable. if anyone tells u otherwise, they r lying. and i am willing to reraise them all in on that bluff.
just bc i document my moments of unstability doesn't mean i am any more mentally unstable than any other LLer. having doubts about Guichet? after paying almost 100k and getting ur legs broken, and u have zero doubts? come on man. for reals?
but it's cool. i just wanted to write the realest most authentic diary i could possibly write. u don't like Apo? u think he sugar coats thing? ur right. i agree. maybe I am a little too extreme with sharing every aspect of my journey? but i think it'll be alright. ppl take from it what they need. that's what's most important at the end of the day after all. we r LLers. we need to stick together. this is a very niche and special community, and i pay my tribute both in prayer and also in deeds. i truly have the utmost respect for everyone who goes though LL and the highest compassion for anyone thinking of undertaking this very difficult journey
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Post your diary to help others make their future LL decisions, get ridiculed on a forum.
Really not promising to those who want to write about their experiences with LL..
I'm not the only one who has harsh words for him here. On the old forum, they don't dig this guy's lazy attitude either.
Jenlarsen. - I get the impression you're slacking off on your training. Why are you risking your health and future mobility? I think you'll regret it..
Rgkey - don't bull your self!!! Sitting around and pretending to do exercises on your bed while lengthening will fuc* YOU UP! LEECHLET f**king WAKE UP BRO!!!
Sweden - You look like such a sweet little girl . :) I would hate you too if I was your doctor. Paying so much money to go with the best and just to ruin yourself anyway. (WAT??) You deserve a good old fashion beating and I'll be happy to do it for you if you ask me Smiley
IwillbeTall - I haven't been through LL yet, so I can't possibly imagine how hard it is for you now, but from what you say in your videos and what you write in your diary it seems like you don't wanna put any effort to have a successful LL. C'mon Leechlet, stop slacking off
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Hey Carter,
I know what they said. And they are definitely right to some degree. As I responded on the old forum, I am doing something a little unconventional here. I spoke with Guichet extensively about it and he's cool with it. We hang out a lot now bc he's actually a pretty cool guy once you get to know him. And also, I have no other friends in Italy.
But anyways, I totally acknowledge and respect their opinions as well as yours. That's what my diary is about after all, freedom of expression of your interpretation of reality. I think the biggest difference btwn me and Apo is that I don't control what I say and I welcome any and all interpretations and reactions to what I blog about. You guys could be totally right. In 6 month, I might might I had exercised more to have a faster recovery.
In fact, I almost welcome negative reactions more than positive ones. I like it when people challenge my reality. If everyone told me what i wanted to hear, how do i know when I am wrong? you do have a lot of valid points, and my appreciation to your post is completely sincere. Guichet thinks i am unstable and immature too, and that's the biggest risk factor he thinks about me, even more so than my weak bone structure. You are right. I even openly admited that I was rlly childish and wasn't in the right mindset to do this surgery. Guichet admits that i grew up a lot in the past month, but still i have a long way to go.
Yet, i am not ashamed. I dont' bent truth simply to get more favorable comments. I immortalize my flaws and immaturity with my vids pre op. Remember how i said i wanted 10cm simply bc it didn't looked that bad on a ruler? i am paying for my immaturity. in hindsight, i wish i stayed in US to do Precice2 bc 8cm is already hard enough.
If you were in my spot, you will probably play my cards better than I did. That's great, because Carter you are probably a stronger person than I am. If you haven't done LL already, then I think when it's ur time to do it, u will find a far easier time than I did if you were in my spot. But let's not trample on the weak. I think you have valid points, and you are of course entitled to whatever you want to say.
The fact that u take so much time to read my diaries probably means u r thinking of surgery urself. Please don't hesitate to ask any questions when all this is said and done. we r still "cool" bro ;)
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I never meant to seem harsh, negative or offensive to leech let)) my intension was completely the opposite! I actually like the guy a lot!! and I feel for him so I only wanted to try to encourage him to push him self a little more!
So I digLeech let! all people in LL community should be like brothers, and some times brothers can be harsh to one another but only because they care about each other, not because we are annoyed or any negative like that.
I care for anyone who wants to do LL or is doing it right now.
Rgkey
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Leechlet, if you see page 6 and 7 of the diary, I posted to encourage you. Many people have done the same, wishing you well and motivating you with speeches, criticism and sarcasm in my case.. We all want to see your video blog end on a successful note.
You are letting alot of people down if you slack off and drop off on your recovery. If my comments can fire you up to listen to your doctor's instructions and do more physio, then good.
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Amen to that brothers!
That's what I believe after all. We stand together. I completely appreciate the comments and I did start exercising more after that.s
It's all cool. We r men. Brothers fight but then they always make up. That's the essense of bro-ness ;)
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Amen to that brothers!
That's what I believe after all. We stand together. I completely appreciate the comments and I did start exercising more after that.s
It's all cool. We r men. Brothers fight but then they always make up. That's the essense of bro-ness ;)
lol u r such a cool dude brother))
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leechlet is a true pioneer!!
best diary on any forum!!! i have not seen any LL patient post so many videos, so what he is emotional?? who gives a f_ck!! atleast he is posting how he is walking!!
we are actually seeing how a LL patient is doing day in and day out.
Half of these diaries are a Piece of on old forum , they say some bull and never post any videos and lie most of the time if they have ANY COMPLICATION!! IE ANDREW SHIZZLE
lEECHLET JUST EXCERSISE SOME MORE, YOU ARE AWESOME, I ENJOY WATCHING YOUR DIARIES, YOU ARE A TRUE PIONEER AND PEOPLE ARE LIVING YOUR LL DREAM WITH YOU WHILE YOUR POSTING THOSE VIDEOS!!
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i am a total pioneer alright 8)
but honestly, if u go to the isokinetic center and talk to ppl, u hear them tell u that they cry and it's its rlly hard. not just the young ones, but even ppl in the 40s all say that. dude, i am telling u a lot of the dairies on old forum r either fake or heavily biased and edited. no way LL is taht easy. when u ppl get to do it urself, u will see that Leechlet is totally real about everything. i am not a wuss. i am just keeping it real 120%
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People cry during physio? Really man? Interesting :) But everyone at the Isokinetic Center isn't necessarily a LL patient, maybe they have a worse condition, who knows. I don't think there's any physical pain in LL that'll make someone cry (emotional stress, maybe). Like I recently got blurry eyed when I saw an Atari game on Youtube that I used to play as a kid, it got me all nostalgic, lol.. (Yeah I'm getting old, kids nowadays don't even know Atari). During physio, the most I do is moderately protest, as in "HEY", "ENOUGH", "LET'S STOP IT SHALL WE?", "I'M A HUMAN BEING", or "HAVE MERCY!", hahaha. But crying would be stretching it too far.
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dude, i am telling u a lot of the dairies on old forum r either fake or heavily biased and edited. no way LL is taht easy.
when u ppl get to do it urself, u will see that Leechlet is totally real about everything. i am not a wuss. i am just keeping it real 120%
You are right about the fake diaries, sugarcoated and censored information on old forum .
As for the LL experience, you have been quite the drama queen at times my friend. Time to grow up a little.
P.S I still think you are a real wuss. Lol. :D
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I think Leechlet has a lot of courage for doing this at such a young age. I am a strong person but I wasn't ready to do something like this until I was about 30.
I agree Carter, he has been a drama queen at times though! ;-)
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see, this is why i like Blackhawk. u da man! ;)
Carter, i know i am kind of a wimp. but u can put it nicer. for example, guichet thinks i am "fragile, but creative" and that "creative people are often fragile like Mozart". i admit, behind the camera and those 3 euro glasses i picked up on some street corner, i am just some idealistic spoiled geek. but u know what? maybe that's what it take to make the first and only full documentation of LL journey on camera, soon to be search engine indexed to show up first on youtube. maybe it takes someone like a "wimp" to do something like this. i am rlly brave in some spots. for example, when i play poker, i could be up or down a few k and i would be totalyl chill if i am sufficently bankrolled. i am rlly shameless that even at 5 3 i got laid by hot girls. why? bc i am shameless like that. but maybe i am a little "fragile" but "wimpy"? no bro. there's different shades of "weak", and i think although i have wimpy moments, i am on average merely "fragile" ;)
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leech
your height was 5'3 ?
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I don't agree re: Drama Queen. There's only one drama queen and that is Rtaller. ;)
BTW, leechlet, please listen to this every time you wake up in the morning (this would be my theme song once I do LL).
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y66j_BUCBMY
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Hey! Thanks for the vid! It was awesome!
Hey chris! srry to skip over u. no, they don't always cry in the center. but they tell me how they cry before coming over and how they cry at home. LL is tough. even with the best surgeons. when ppl skype me, i always tell them that if they can avoid it, they should try rlly hard not to get LL. it's a tough way to be happier
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Hey Leechlet,
Your diary is very good and openly honest. I spoke to other LLers and you will be surprised too. When they are experiencing the pain and turmoil at the moment, they say it's the worst thing in the world, and if LL could be avoided, then by all logical means, avoid it.
But as time goes on, they "forget" a lot of the crazy things they've felt and somewhat downplay it. While others have told me they just want to "make their diary look good."
Diaries should not be about impressing people or anything that is "conflicting."
It should be an honest and surreal recollection of your experiences.
Don't worry about people calling you a wuss. I've read from previous LLers that there are plenty of people who who cry or wuss out far more then anything you'd shared with us. The difference is that they did not share those honest experiences and instead sometimes omit them...whereas, it takes a lot of balls and courage to open your vulnerable self out to the world like this, and providing us so much Infomation for the betterment of future LL.
That is why I believe your diary paints a more accurate / realistic LL experience.
Thank you for posting. I, like many others, really enjoy reading your diary.
Please continue to keep us updated!
P.S. What length are you at now, and did Dr. Guichet ever explain the mystical karate chop to you?
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Hey leechlet,
I've been following your posts from the very beginning, just wanted to send support your way. Sometimes I think we all get a little too deep into LL and forget that it's never been an easy choice from the beginning. There are so many things to consider- the doctor, the method, the timeframe, cost, and of course the choice of undergoing the surgery in the first place. So while we all may have our myriad disagreements over different facets of LL I am thankful that you provide us with an honest account of what you are experiencing through the process- emotionally and physically.
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hey, thanks for the support guys!
i am almost 6 now and i want to go to max of nail lengthen, but it 10 or 10.5, as long as these following conditions remain true:
1. no fracture
2. full range of joint motion
3. no pain or nerve problem
4. i can sleep through the whole night without having to move my legs
I remember when i was doing 21 clicks a day, i had to move my legs at night bc it was growing faster than rate of my cell division. i am doing 12 not, and eventually 9 and then 6 clicks a day. as long as it's ez and it doesn't do any obvious damage to my body, i am ALL IN
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okay guys,
so i logged 15 hrs on Thief 4 in the last week, about 2 hrs a day. playing it takes a lot of energy and it doesn't really make me any happier. so i have decided to stop playing it. can't believe i am not going to play through my favorite franchise, but it just brings no utility. it's like grinding through wood. so i have decided to use that extra 2 hrs to sleep more and do more exercises.
idk if i am just getting old or if the surgery just changed me, but vid games r not what it used to be. it doesn't do the same thing for me anymore. :'(
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Yes, on this post.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=383.msg6514#msg6514
P.S. ... and did Dr. Guichet ever explain the mystical karate chop to you?
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hey guys, just uploaded a bunch of old vids, almost all interviews of guichet. popular topics like HGH in LL, the infamous karate chop, what he thinks of my current condition, IT band release, etc. i officially claim no support of what he says as i cannot verify some of this claims. these r only what he claims captured on camera, so be sure to reraise him if lines don't add up.
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hey guys, so apparently i am at 6cm today. i completely loss track since my days melt into one another. but ya LL is super chill w/o going to the center. i can go on like this forever! 8)
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Nice milestone there Leechlet. So happy for you. When one follows a diary like this from the start, it kind a feels like being a part of your success too.
Do you feel the increase in height already?
hey guys, so apparently i am at 6cm today. i completely loss track since my days melt into one another. but ya LL is super chill w/o going to the center. i can go on like this forever! 8)
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hey guys, just uploaded a bunch of old vids, almost all interviews of guichet. popular topics like HGH in LL, the infamous karate chop, what he thinks of my current condition, IT band release, etc. i officially claim no support of what he says as i cannot verify some of this claims. these r only what he claims captured on camera, so be sure to reraise him if lines don't add up.
Great! These videos are very good! Dr. Guichet seems like a very knowledgable man. Thanks for taking the time and energy to post them.
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hi, ya i definitely feel it in the sense that i notice myself taller than ppl around my height before. but i don't "feel" it in the sense that i just dont care about height anymore. now, that's kinda paradoxical bc i am 50% chance to do tibia in a few years, but it's not so much gainning height as much as finishing something i've started. i could honestly not do a single more click and i would be totally happy. but i am going to max out this nail as long as no problems occur. i met some guichet patients who went to 8.5 or 9cm and return to full sports no problem, even 8 years later (coming to get nail removal).
i think the trick is to NEVER force it. ur body wants to stop? damnit, then stop. i know a guy who did 6cm but had massive nerve problems and had to go back to the center to rehab more. so it rlly depends on the person and ur body. how does my muscles and nerves react? so far, not terribly. but anything can change when the cards r in the air. one i hit plastic phase, even .5cm makes a world of difference. guichet thinks i might sidestep the plastic phase if i can slow down my clicks more since my healing is not so great. good side is that i have more time to lengthen. bad time is that i have WAAAYYYY more time for consolidation ::)
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What is plastic phase? Please elaborate, never heard this term before. Thanks bro.
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hey cooper,
plastic phase is when ur muscle division is slower than the rate of ur lengthening, and ur muscles wont stretch anymore. generally, the standard move is to slow down very quickly and maybe even stop lengthening. i just dropped click rate to 10 last week, and i am not experiencing too much muscle tightness. but i can totally see it coming after 7 or 8cm bc my flexibility is dropping. maybe if i drop to 7 or 5 clicks a day, i can avoid this and go to 10 as guichet hoped. but we will see. it all depends on how well my muscles and nerves adapt
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Leechut, keep updating your diary the way it is.
I love your honesty and your ability to portray LL the way it is.... a lot angry, pain, annoyance and having to put up with people you don't like.
I rather hear the truth than read something fake... like someone portraying LL as really easy when it is not.
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I agree with Smallguy.
It's a good diary. Keep updating us and continue being honest about your experience.
I do understand some of the criticism but I don't think people realize the mental challenges that come with doing this procedure and the effects of being on numerous drugs has on a person mentally.
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I realized that people who haven't done LL are using words like "Wimp, pussy, sissy, emotionally unstable, have some balls, etc" very, very often. And this frustrates me. Maybe my attitude was similar before LL too. To an extent, it could have been.
However - LL is 1% courage, 99% patience.
You can be a wimp or not. But you'll need the patience of a saint. Some days you feel you have it, some days you don't.
I've said it before but I will repeat. People who worry about physical pain are preparing themselves for the wrong encounter. Before LL, one should be prepared for mental torture instead.
If you have a stable life, like a wife, a girlfriend who will wait for you 100%, or no girlfriend ar all, as in no one you'll worry about, supportive family and friends, no job or school to worry about, then you're halfway prepared for this mental battle. Otherwise, you might have problems.
Leechlet, I've watched videos of Thief's gameplay. I like it overall, although it's not really my style, I tend to enjoy horror games like Amnesia more. No wonder I loved the asylum level in chapter 5.
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Keep your chin up kid,
What I'd give to be under the care and direction of Guichet. I often use the image of how you'd be potentially faring in the chaos that is India, and it has brought me a great many pleasurable moments along the innumerable listless nights I've spent staring blankly into the deep Indian void.
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I'm sure i am gonna cry like a little bish for the pain im gonna feel but no way jose am im gonna feel down on myself because im lonely or deserted.
Sure, everyone's different. But it's usually the opposite. You'll see.
I be more happy then i'd ever been in my life im evolving to a NEW STRONGER HUMAN and that is way to sacred for me to mess with. I'd literally kill someone to be 6'0 thats how bad i want it
I know exactly what you mean. I've been there myself. The sacredness will lessen eventually once the days start going by. You will evolve into a stronger being indeed. That's part due to the psychological relief of finally doing something you wanted to do for years, part due to ending the height neurosis, and part due to all the testing you go through with your patience.
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Hey, dude leechlet, I am by your side. And so are many of LL-ers wannabe who are reading this forum as well as the other one every day.
Keep on your journey and on your great YouTube channel, pal!
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God watching all of us having sex. Wow, it's mind boggling. Maybe god is sex.
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Hey Leech when you are finished can you post pictures of yourself in pictures for proportion sake.
Thanks.
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Hey Leechlet,
How is everything going with you lately?
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Hi leechlet!
How do you do?
You are putting everybody on the old forum under stress because of your decision to go against your doctor recommendation and continue lengthening!!
I'm posting here because I don't have a user on the old forum.
I guess your decision as also something to do about you admiring Apotheosis and you want do lengthen the same. But i think deeply Apotheosis regretted lengthening so much.. Think of it.. he did 10 cm on his femur and reached the height that everybody aspires, the 180 cm mark!! Why didn't he keep that height? I think the guy is just so selfconscious about his body that he then became selfconscious about his proportions and decided to do the same lengthening on his tibia.. Now he is a freakish 190 cm.. and still recovering (I saw a post form him the other day saying that for the first time in years he was running on concrete.. that's ages after his first op...!!) Thinking back it would have been smarter for him to keep just the 10 cm on femur or just do 5cm/5cm. Most of people don't have the option of doing 2 surgeries so they push it on femur, like i will do (i plan to do 7,5cm on femur..), but you are one of the lucky ones that can do both.. so do it, do 7,5cm on femur and do another 7cm on tibia like PreciseFemurs suggested! If I'm right, you will then be close to the gorgeous 180 cm!!
Anyway, just my 2 cents.
I hope the best for you whatever your do!! :)
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Hi :) Does anybody know how much Leechlet is paying for Dr. Guichet? Also what are his rates for tibs lengthening or femur lengthening? Does anyone have any idea? :)
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Dr Guichet information is listed here
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=131.0
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Thank you very much :)
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Anyone know what happened to leech?
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Probably enjoying his taller more satisfying life :p
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As of yesterday, he says he is continuing on to 10cms now. Seriously crazy bastard but all the best to him
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"Seriously crazy bastard"... That was the magical words necessary for this genie to poof out of Craziville and back onto this forum. What up guys. It's Leechlet again, representing all the seriously crazy and degenerately desperate LLers out there on the internet. Represent yo ;)
Here's my new xrays taken yesterday. I am working full time now so prob wont make a vid until the weekend or the next. but gonna show u guys how i am at in terms of mobility and stuff. currently at 8.4cm. decided to shoot for 10cm. surprised? hardily. bet u saw that coming. i'll repost some important posts i did on old forum but prob also in the weekend. in the mean time, here's a lil something for u
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b491/leechletll/260921_zps433bcfa1.jpg)
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b491/leechletll/260923_zps501bcbfb.jpg)
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b491/leechletll/260942_zps8b4099b8.jpg)
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b491/leechletll/260943_zpsf552cd5b.jpg)
(http://i1288.photobucket.com/albums/b491/leechletll/260946_zpsf926d957.jpg)
Please note that the right side have an R and left side have an L. Will make vids next week or so. emailed guichet. he thinks healing is good. much faster than in Milan but that's obvious and expected since i am walking a lot more
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There were some posts about Leechlet that has nothing to do with the medical aspect of LL. I have removed the irrelevant posts so we can move forward with the original topic.
We updated our forum guidelines on harassing & hostile posts. If the intention of posting is to put down or ridicule somebody sharing their experience about doing LL, forget about it. This apply for all diaries/journals.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=37.0
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hey ppl!
My real life is getting more and more busy, and so I have decided to stop posting on all forums effective at the end of this post. That includes updating my diaries, defending my rep, responding to random posts on other threads, etc etc. LL was a great adventure of my life, and one I had the great pleasure of sharing with all of you. But there so much more to life now. I get so many skype messages from ppl who suffer from severe height neurosis, and while I do love to help out another human being and will continue to respond on skype, I got LL so i can move past that phase of my life. and so I am doing that now. My height neurosis is completely gone, except for occasional relapses in my nightmares. Post traumatic stress disorder? probably. dude, height neurosis is some tough dude. no jokes.
i'll still make vids and update my channel and response on skype occasionally. but Leechlet is my life from December 2013 to April 2014. now that i am 8.5cm and almost consolidated on one leg, LL is just not that big of a part in my life anymore. and that's precisely how it should be. that means the product worked. that's the desired result.
it's been real ppl. it's been an adventure and a real pleasure and learning experience. but as far as forums go for me...
Leechlet out
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aww man but i still have so many questions. if anyone is reading this, do you know if guichet had any patients that had their nails bend? i only wanna know whether it was their fault or not. Cause i'm having a difficult choice btw Betz or Guichet. N i know a lot of Betz patients had their nails snap but most of it was their fault. (apothesis, andrewshizzle, oldiebutgoldie(his screws broken cause he walked without crutches too much, but thats not too bad))
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aww man but i still have so many questions. if anyone is reading this, do you know if guichet had any patients that had their nails bend? i only wanna know whether it was their fault or not. Cause i'm having a difficult choice btw Betz or Guichet. N i know a lot of Betz patients had their nails snap but most of it was their fault. (apothesis, andrewshizzle, oldiebutgoldie(his screws broken cause he walked without crutches too much, but thats not too bad))
I was ~ 73 kg right before the surgery n i didn't suceed in bending the screws (not even talking about the nails). Unless u don't respect guichet's recommendations, it must be super hard to break sthg.
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cool i plan to be 130lbs just in case. yea i figure guichet's nails were superior to betz anyways. so can i walk with out the walker everyday? i know some of betz patients did that n they bend their nails n i cant afford a replacement.
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hi connorcranston!
please notice that Guichet stresses the need for muscle strength in the legs (usually he would ask you for a strength gain of 30% in the legs measured by the Cybex machine), and in the flexibility.
also, you will need strength in you upper body for moving around in the walker and in crunches.
i actually gained weight since i started training, from 67kg to 71kg..
i don't think you can loose weight and simultaneous gain strength..
and if you are going for 10 cm, i don't think Guichet will go easy on the physical preparation.
leechlet gained only 18% strength on his legs and made a split before the surgery, but he was already in Italy, so it was not easy for Guichet to say no (at least that's my theory..)
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hey connorcranston, i didnt see anyone with bent nails, but my sample size is too small to be conclusive. i cant say anything about betz because i havent even met the guy. i think in terms of walking around, the nail strength is only one of the problems. its super hard to walk around with two broken legs.
hey guys, so i've been getting way too many emails and skype messaged and youtube posts to answer them all, but i basically get the same 3 questions all the time: 1. how much was it? 2. starting height? 3. who is your doctor?
i am dedicating a youtube section to answer these basic FAQs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YQSWBpC54c
anyways, just thought i let u know. i tried making an annoucement on old forum , but maybe the server is down or something but i cant post on there anymore for some reason. gives me some werid error. anyways, let me know what other topics should be covered. i think i have covered just about everything, but i guess ppl want to find info rlly fast so i started the FAQ series.
best regards! ;)
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Hi Leechlet,
Firstly many thanks for sharing with us your experience, it is super helpful!!!!
I have seen all your your tube videos and sorry to bother you, I will understand if you do not answer me!
I have done the first consultation with Doctor Guichet and I am convienced that he is the one, I really liked him, he looks very professional and strict. Now it is just a matter of finding the right moment for me, career wise I need to find a moment where I can take 3 months off.
I wanted to ask you a couple of questions and would be incredibly grateful if you'd come back to me ;D:
- How long did it take to feel fully recover? Are you able to run, walk completely normal?
- Was the pain too strong?
- One of my main concerns is how can I share it with my husband and my family, when I tell them that I want to do it they will think that I am out of my mind, did you also had this problem?
Many, many thanks!!!!!
Paris
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Hey its for a long time since your last updat
Hope you re fine
Any up date please
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I think he's decided to go off the grid. He mentioned it a few times in posts/videos before and how he understands why people decide to go offline after successfully getting it done (they want to move on with their life).
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Think patients should do their research. If they cannot even do their research for these basic questions, why do the surgery? Its so tough that you shouldn't enter it unprepared.
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leechlet what happened to your videos?? are you doing fine??
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This was one of the first diaries I read, I wish he'd update
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bump!
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Another Guichet disaster. Is leechlet still alive?
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Another Guichet disaster. Is leechlet still alive?
Yeah i think so! Some years ago, i've found a comment from him on a website where he mentioned his nail removal by an american doctor. Cannot remember which site it was and who removed the nail. Back in 2014 when he did all his youtube videos, i had the impression that Dr. Guchet was somehow pissed about his vlogs. I can also remember his epic breakdown in a video where he regreted the CLL.
Did someone save his youtube videos?
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One of the best diaries I've read. Just raw. I really wish i could watch these videos, sadly I discovered this forum last year instead of 2014 and thus the YouTube channel is deleted
Shows the mental pain aspect is greater than any physical pain you'll experience
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One of the best diaries I've read. Just raw. I really wish i could watch these videos, sadly I discovered this forum last year instead of 2014 and thus the YouTube channel is deleted
Shows the mental pain aspect is greater than any physical pain you'll experience
llechlet had good doctors to
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he 164 good height but not follow doctor orders
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Where is he now?