Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Height & Proportions => Topic started by: NewHeights on March 08, 2015, 03:36:18 PM
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Hello All,
So I decided to do a bit of a scavenger hunt. I wanted to find pictures of naturally tall people (5' 11" and up for the sake of this discussion) who had body proportions that were off. I focused on wingspan (negative ape index) and torso height / total height (short torso).
I think these pictures will give a glimpse to some people who are considering LL as to what they would their proportions would look like after, and also proves that there is tremendous variation in body proportions found in nature.
I encourage anyone else to add pictures to this collection.
Enjoy....
This one is Chris Lytle (5' 11" with 5' 8" reach) and Brian Ebersole (6' height with just over 6' reach).
(https://postmediaprovince.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/lytle-ebersole.jpg)
Here is Conan O'Brien (6' 4") who appears to have a short torso and slightly short arms compared to his legs and overall height.
(http://jeans.yournextshoes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Conan-O-Brien-in-jeggings-1.jpg)
Here is UFC fighter Max Holloway (5' 11" with 5' 10" reach). At this slightly negative ape index, it is hardly noticeable, and practically undetectable, especially because he looses wingspan from his narrow shoulders.
(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Max+Holloway+UFC+Fight+Night+Saffiedine+v+Z94XXOTNM58l.jpg)
(https://mmanewsblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/max-holloway.jpg)
Finally, the great, Rocky Marciano (5' 11" with 5' 8" reach). You can see the huge difference in humerus length compared to Joe Louis (6' 2" with slightly over 6' 2" reach)
(http://www.fighttoys.com/Marciano-Louis%2010-26-51a%20WP.jpg)
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1165025.1348266543!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/rocky-marciano-1952.jpg)
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Half Iranian half Japanese baseball pitcher Yu Darvish is 6'5" with short arms.
(http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/rangers2.jpg)
(http://mediadownloads.mlb.com/mlbam/2013/12/03/images/mlbf_29671829_th_13.jpg)
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Usain Bolt
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The jap guy is hot.
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Poor Conan does have short, frail-boned arms
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1381714/thumbs/o-CONAN-570.jpg?2)
There really isn't much of a difference between the traits that make a male proportionally attractive and the things that make a male a great leg lengthening candidate. Large ribcage and long clavicle bones so you wont have that torso on stilts effect, long arms so they dont get dwarfed by your leg length, and short legs being self explanatory.
Ever heard the saying that the swimmer's build is the most attractive on males? Swimmers have short legs/long torsos(hard to determine which without exact measurements) long arms, and wide shoulders.
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2013/02/21/1226583/053174-130221-swimmers.jpg)
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Poor Conan does have short, frail-boned arms
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1381714/thumbs/o-CONAN-570.jpg?2)
There really isn't much of a difference between the traits that make a male proportionally attractive and the things that make a male a great leg lengthening candidate. Large ribcage and long clavicle bones so you wont have that torso on stilts effect, long arms so they dont get dwarfed by your leg length, and short legs being self explanatory.
Ever heard the saying that the swimmer's build is the most attractive on males? Swimmers have short legs/long torsos(hard to determine which without exact measurements) long arms, and wide shoulders.
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2013/02/21/1226583/053174-130221-swimmers.jpg)
I don't know about that dude, I'd say the guy third from the right (the tallest guy) has the best build out of all of them even though his torso is shorter than the guy to his right
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I don't know about that dude, I'd say the guy third from the right (the tallest guy) has the best build out of all of them even though his torso is shorter than the guy to his right
I think you're just being halo effected because he is the tallest and one of the best looking of the group. It's pretty hard to tell from an angle who has the best build, you really need a frontal shot to figure that out. Also the point wasn't that the longest torso'd male is the most attractive proportionally. Just to show that all these guys have more or less similar ratios.
(https://sbrtv.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/phelps-wingspan.jpg)
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Poor Conan does have short, frail-boned arms
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1381714/thumbs/o-CONAN-570.jpg?2)
There really isn't much of a difference between the traits that make a male proportionally attractive and the things that make a male a great leg lengthening candidate. Large ribcage and long clavicle bones so you wont have that torso on stilts effect, long arms so they dont get dwarfed by your leg length, and short legs being self explanatory.
Ever heard the saying that the swimmer's build is the most attractive on males? Swimmers have short legs/long torsos(hard to determine which without exact measurements) long arms, and wide shoulders.
(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2013/02/21/1226583/053174-130221-swimmers.jpg)
Never cared for the swimmer's build at all. I like the guy in my profile picture far better (5'7 Eugen Sandow).
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Interesting proportion pic I found from the old forum. (http://thosemoes.com/stitch/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/20120828-203538.jpg)
I guess super tall men really can have normal sitting heights
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The tallest in the picture are 6'3.
Guess who is 5'6 :) ?
http://sv.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=xfwbjo&s=8 (http://sv.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=xfwbjo&s=8)
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The blimp on the right.
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The blimp on the right.
If he was to shred another 10-15 pounts he would smoke the other dudes by far. this goes to show that guys 5'6 and over can reach 6'0 with ease.
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If he was to shred another 10-15 pounts he would smoke the other dudes by far. this goes to show that guys 5'6 and over can reach 6'0 with ease.
No way a 5'6 guy can reach 6ft with ease, it's possible that's for sure but he will have major losses in function and will probably look like a freak.
You can't look proportionale after almost 16cm's. 10 seems to be the upper limit before you start to look weird (even less for some).
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No way a 5'6 guy can reach 6ft with ease, it's possible that's for sure but he will have major losses in function and will probably look like a freak.
You can't look proportionale after almost 16cm's. 10 seems to be the upper limit before you start to look weird (even less for some).
bitch tell that to apotheosis, he was 5'6 and ended even at 6'2 and he looks fine. so go do some more research before you start to talk .
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bitch tell that to apotheosis, he was 5'6 and ended even at 6'2 and he looks fine. so go do some more research before you start to talk crap.
Lol
Apo is a guy who makes money with advertising LL do you really think he'd tell anyone about his problems? Come on don't be so naive. He did humerus lengtheing as well and he still doesn't look good at all, you can easily tell that there's something wrong with his proportions. His sitting height is 88cm's if I remember correctly, mine is around 98 and I'm only 179.
His legs are waaay too long for a guy of his statue. His running looks weird as well. He probably has the legs of a 7'1 guy.
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Lol
Apo is a guy who makes money with advertising LL do you really think he'd tell anyone about his problems? Come on don't be so naive. He did humerus lengtheing as well and he still doesn't look good at all, you can easily tell that there's something wrong with his proportions. His sitting height is 88cm's if I remember correctly, mine is around 98 and I'm only 179.
His legs are waaay too long for a guy of his statue. His running looks weird as well. He probably has the legs of a 7'1 guy.
He makes money off his buisness and LL on the side he is a scum rat but that is not the point at this time, also thats why he is starring in a new hollywood movie and gets tons of chicks that guy? i bet he is doing better than both of us and much better at 6'3 than 5'6. Rest my case.
I looked at his proportions and i see nothing major wrong with his proportions obviously they are not that of a normal 6'2 guy but good enough to the untrained eye.
You are being naive with your measurements, this totally concludes the point that the only difference between a normal sized tall man and a short man is leg length. Simple as that. And also arms to an extent but that is way overrated especially when it comes to benefits. and his legs are just fine just a little bit on the longer side :). remember his legs was SHORT for his torso in the begining now they are long for his torso.
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If he was to shred another 10-15 pounts he would smoke the other dudes by far. this goes to show that guys 5'6 and over can reach 6'0 with ease.
14CM is not at all something that can be achieved with ease. It is possible if one lengthens 7CM in each segment but very few people will look proportionate after that. I've got roughly the same proportions as anyone else my height and I can barely do half as much before I start to look disproportionate.
Few people will look good after 10CM, never mind 14.
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He makes money off his buisness and LL on the side he is a scum rat but that is not the point at this time, also thats why he is starring in a new hollywood movie and gets tons of chicks that guy? i bet he is doing better than both of us and much better at 6'3 than 5'6. Rest my case.
I looked at his proportions and i see nothing major wrong with his proportions obviously they are not that of a normal 6'2 guy but good enough to the untrained eye.
You are being naive with your measurements, this totally concludes the point that the only difference between a normal sized tall man and a short man is leg length. Simple as that. And also arms to an extent but that is way overrated especially when it comes to benefits. and his legs are just fine just a little bit on the longer side :). remember his legs was SHORT for his torso in the begining now they are long for his torso.
What movie is he in? Tons of chicks, did he write it on his forum ;D?
I understand why you desperatly try to not see anything wrong with his proportions, I'd do the same if I was his height.
I never said it's impossible, it was the way you said it. It's simply wrong that it can be done with ease, it's never easy and defenitly far from easy when doing 16cm's.
You will look weird in my eyes and I'm sure many others would notice it as well.
I unterstand your desire to be tall but it's just unrealistic, read the diaries and you'll get an idea of the permanent losses you will suffer from. Even if the gained amounts are far from 16cm's.
Forget about your sportive performance and your looks because you'll look weird as fk.
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Stop trashing Apo The God. He looks fine.
Also 98 cm SH for your height means 0.55 SH/H ratio, which is actually even more unusual than SH/H ratio of the God Apo. His SH is 93 cm, which gives him 0.495 SH/H ratio. According to this: http://adc.bmj.com/content/90/8/807.full your ratio of 0.55 SH/H is at +2.5 SD, while Apo The God is just at -1 SD. Wow you're a freak! Lol jk.
But seriously stop trashing fellow limb lengtheners for the sole reason of rationalizing your own lengthening goals. You're just being a bitch.
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I never said it's impossible, but saying it's easy is just bs. It's a fact that the more you lengthen the more you will loose in terms of function. Every trustworthy Dr. will tell you about this phaenomenon.
Hardly anyone will look decent after this amount of lengthening that's simply undeniable. All you need is a pic of Apo standing next to a normal guy his height, the dispropornality will be quit obvious.
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I never said it's impossible, but saying it's easy is just bs. It's a fact that the more you lengthen the more you will loose in terms of function. Every trustworthy Dr. will tell you about this phaenomenon.
Hardly anyone will look decent after this amount of lengthening that's simply undeniable. All you need is a pic of Apo standing next to a normal guy his height, the dispropornality will be quit obvious.
No crap you will loose more function the more you lengthen, who even mentioned that it wasnt hard?. And i doubt that anyone else will try to lengthen the amount that apo did. But that does not neglect the fact that it is doable and it can "easily" be pulled off in the rights clothes hell even in undies for that matter as long as you got the arms and torso to cover for it.
6'0 is not really tall, its just above average height. And if you look at the average dude at 5'9-5'10 they all look small and tiny, while guys 5'7 and under just look short.
So when you "break" that 6'0 barrier you are now officialy filled out-full-cartoon proportions can be made etc etc.
But by no mean are the 6'0 proportionally superior beings, they are just small dudes with way to long legs. Just as we will have or already have long legs. but not the required wingspan to cover up the desired height you wanna shot for.
td:lr you dont know wtf youre talking about.
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No crap you will loose more function the more you lengthen, who even mentioned that it wasnt hard?. And i doubt that anyone else will try to lengthen the amount that apo did. But that does not neglect the fact that it is doable and it can "easily" be pulled off in the rights clothes hell even in undies for that matter as long as you got the arms and torso to cover for it.
6'0 is not really tall, its just above average height. And if you look at the average dude at 5'9-5'10 they all look small and tiny, while guys 5'7 and under just look short.
So when you "break" that 6'0 barrier you are now officialy filled out-full-cartoon proportions can be made etc etc.
But by no mean are the 6'0 proportionally superior beings, they are just small dudes with way to long legs. Just as we will have or already have long legs. but not the required wingspan to cover up the desired height you wanna shot for.
td:lr you dont know wtf youre talking about.
I don´t understand a word of what you´re talking about. Express yourself clearly please. I still don´t think it can be pulled easily, we had so many discussions here on this forum about this topic. If it could be pulled of easily there wouldn´t have been so many topics about proportions.
Anyways, go ahead with your goal, in my oppinion I´m just being realistic. 10 cm´s should be the upper limit if you want to preserve the majority in form and function.
Just imagine what will happen when Apo will get older, he already has the body of an old man in terms of function, once his body starts downsizing he will be in deep trouble.
I really didn´t want to offend you, it was just the way you said "with ease" that made me wonder.
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I don´t understand a word of what you´re talking about. Express yourself clearly please. I still don´t think it can be pulled easily, we had so many discussions here on this forum about this topic. If it could be pulled of easily there wouldn´t have been so many topics about proportions.
Anyways, go ahead with your goal, in my oppinion I´m just being realistic. 10 cm´s should be the upper limit if you want to preserve the majority in form and function.
Just imagine what will happen when Apo will get older, he already has the body of an old man in terms of function, once his body starts downsizing he will be in deep trouble.
I really didn´t want to offend you, it was just the way you said "with ease" that made me wonder.
If you got the proportions then you can do it if you dont you cant do it. What is it that you dont get?. stop be a asperger syndrome kid and take everything i take on face value and see the underlining thought behind my words. Either that or you are a troll. Im done. i suggest you read my comment i wrote before this one and i explain clearly what i meant.
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Melan is angry at the world for some reason, I hope you find peace one day man.
Jk I don't care. :)
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Interesting proportion pic I found from the old forum. (http://thosemoes.com/stitch/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/20120828-203538.jpg)
I guess super tall men really can have normal sitting heights
That is like a 4 inch difference sitting height which is ok. Every half inch on sitting height makes a huge difference on one's height and percentile.
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That is like a 4 inch difference sitting height which is ok. Every half inch on sitting height makes a huge difference on one's height and percentile.
Are you watching the same picture as i am. The difference is 1 inch max.
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What do you guys think about this new super model. She's Molly Bair, a 6'1 17 years old school girl.
I'm not exactly sure whether she cualifies as disproportionate or just long frames.
(http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/sp/a205412c2f93bbf846c51a77b321eb1c/002.jpg)
(http://s3d1.turboimagehost.com/sp/00f13395e8aad4ddbd74e0d161596869/molly_bair_thesociety_14.jpg)
(http://fashioncopious.com/media/model/MollyBair/4A4D08BE505603008A7E7F371D334D8C.jpg)
(http://www.vistelacalle.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Molly_Bair6.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/EFTW9Wmh.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/EMOL77ih.jpg)
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@Taller You mean the guy on the right? His arms are quite short for his height, very interesting.
Here's another guy with long legs, his torso almost looks smaller than mine except for his longer arms obviously.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/18/4a/3d/184a3da7c6168d91c89c030447969558.jpg)
(http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=57392150)
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I mean the guy on the far right. He has exceptionally long tibiae and a short torso.
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I mean the guy on the far right. He has exceptionally long tibiae and a short torso.
Sorry, yes I meant to write right instead of left. My mistake.
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Humerous lengthening????? Lol ssome ppeopple i say! U have any proof or source?? Though i too dont like that apoguy cant see people talking bull !
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I mean the guy on the far right. He has exceptionally long tibiae and a short torso.
I think the first thing people would notice about him are his arms. A few cms on his arms and he would just be a leggy guy, instead of a goofy looking t-rex.
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(http://i.imgur.com/EFTW9Wmh.jpg)
LOL is that who I think it is?
But seriously, I find apotheosis' proportions not too bad, especially when obscured by everyday clothing. If he walked by, I probably wouldn't think twice about his proportions (even being hyperfocused on those details like I am). Perhaps if he can hide his proportions under his clothes without it looking ridiculous, can't the rest of of us? Does it really matter what you like like with your briefs pulled up to your crotch? Assuming he also did humurous lengthening (amount unknown), I think it looks pretty near natural. Perhaps without it he wouldn't. This is just my opinion, feel free to expand on anything I've said (or refute).
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LOL is that who I think it is?
But seriously, I find apotheosis' proportions not too bad, especially when obscured by everyday clothing. If he walked by, I probably wouldn't think twice about his proportions (even being hyperfocused on those details like I am). Perhaps if he can hide his proportions under his clothes without it looking ridiculous, can't the rest of of us? Does it really matter what you like like with your briefs pulled up to your crotch? Assuming he also did humurous lengthening (amount unknown), I think it looks pretty near natural. Perhaps without it he wouldn't. This is just my opinion, feel free to expand on anything I've said (or refute).
Yep.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/614589603677405184/9CXqkszn.jpg) Definitely not bad for 20CM of lengthening. His head is noticeably too small though, but that doesn't matter to most people. Lots of naturally tall people have tiny heads. It looks bad, but it's better than being short.
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Does anyone know where I can read diary of people who go close to 20cm. I want to see what effects it has on their body after leg lengthening.
I was under the impression 20cm was impossible.
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Does anyone know where I can read diary of people who go close to 20cm. I want to see what effects it has on their body after leg lengthening.
I was under the impression 20cm was impossible.
I recommend looking around the old forum for diaries of people who go close to 20cm. From memory, I recall apotheosis and Greekster doing a considerable amount. Since I cannot answer from experience, I will tell you that many of the "successful," large lengthenings are with dr betz. He understands the "get tall or die" mindset many people have, and that's why he allows such large lengthening. In one of his replies on this forum he said that why go through all the pain for a small 5cm? I have to agree with him. To make a significant change you have to atleast go three inches(in femurs that is Tibias you probably should never go over 6cm because of the complication rate). When you hit four, that's when things start to become interesting. Very little doctors allow patients to go that far, and it's for good reason. The mechanics of walking and your leg fundamentally change with the newly introduced tibia to femur proportion. How it effects walking, I don't exactly know, but again, I wouldn't know from any first hand experience.
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Yep.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/614589603677405184/9CXqkszn.jpg) Definitely not bad for 20CM of lengthening. His head is noticeably too small though, but that doesn't matter to most people. Lots of naturally tall people have tiny heads. It looks bad, but it's better than being short.
Did i misunderstood or is this apo?
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It's him
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Woah! im really surprised i never saw his face lol. -no homo but he is more handsome than i thought haha:D He is over 40 if im not wrong?
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I recommend looking around the old forum for diaries of people who go close to 20cm. From memory, I recall apotheosis and Greekster doing a considerable amount. Since I cannot answer from experience, I will tell you that many of the "successful," large lengthenings are with dr betz. He understands the "get tall or die" mindset many people have, and that's why he allows such large lengthening. In one of his replies on this forum he said that why go through all the pain for a small 5cm? I have to agree with him. To make a significant change you have to atleast go three inches(in femurs that is Tibias you probably should never go over 6cm because of the complication rate). When you hit four, that's when things start to become interesting. Very little doctors allow patients to go that far, and it's for good reason. The mechanics of walking and your leg fundamentally change with the newly introduced tibia to femur proportion. How it effects walking, I don't exactly know, but again, I wouldn't know from any first hand experience.
Do you think that 10 cm (5 + 5) is considered extreme and doctors would not allow it ?
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(http://i.imgur.com/hLeYwp8.jpg?2)
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Do you think that 10 cm (5 + 5) is considered extreme and doctors would not allow it ?
I don't think that's extreme at all, if anything it's a little conservative for two lengthenings. I believe that the Paley institute allows lengthening up to 13 cm on both segments combined, and he is a conservative Doctor. But, in the end, it really depends on how far you want to go and weighing the risk/reward from there.
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somebody can explain me what is the old forum and why there is a new forum ?
who is apotheosie and why is it always mentioned?
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In one of his replies on this forum he said that why go through all the pain for a small 5cm? I have to agree with him.
I disagree. 5 centimetres can make an enormous difference for one's mental well-being, especially when you are in an height range where many people lay in. Going from 175 to 180 is "only" 5 cm, but it will make you taller, or as tall, as millions of people on the planet. Shorter lengthening will make recovery and healing easier, which you will definitely be thankful for in the long range. I don't know it, but I assume that 20 years after the operation, having lengthened 5 cm will result in a lot less health problems than having lengthened 15 cm.
Being 5 cm taller than I am now wouldn't make me the happiest person on the planet, but I would probably be at peace with my body for good.
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I disagree. 5 centimetres can make an enormous difference for one's mental well-being, especially when you are in an height range where many people lay in. Going from 175 to 180 is "only" 5 cm, but it will make you taller, or as tall, as millions of people on the planet. Shorter lengthening will make recovery and healing easier, which you will definitely be thankful for in the long range. I don't know it, but I assume that 20 years after the operation, having lengthened 5 cm will result in a lot less health problems than having lengthened 15 cm.
Being 5 cm taller than I am now wouldn't make me the happiest person on the planet, but I would probably be at peace with my body for good.
how tall are you?
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Nice pics in this thread, with crap discussion.
Half Iranian half Japanese baseball pitcher Yu Darvish is 6'5" with short arms.
(http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/rangers2.jpg)
I think you mean Japanese LLer Yu Darvish. Look at his head and arms. Too small for his leg length and impossible to happen in nature. /sarcasm
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Everyone's disproportional to some degree, so I hate the title of this thread.
Anyway, what do you guys think of Jonathan Davis?
(http://www2.pictures.fp.zimbio.com/Jonathan+Davis+Jonathan+Davis+Strolling+Beach+1ZoBhKYSIXLl.jpg)
It looks like his sitting height would be close to a lot of people here. Which is amazing, as he is 6'2.
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kEuiU0w6VFM/S9pKgsf74HI/AAAAAAAABuM/NKlYY2qju7s/s1600/t100art_conan_obrien.jpg)
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--tTwxdsMz--/17iv22el95hwnpng.png)
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I hope I look as good as Conan when it's all said and done!
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I think disproportioned guys with longer legs look stunning, specially if they're fit, like the following guys...
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7f/67/4c/7f674c8b9ded3aa93e65676916ebb166.jpg)
(https://scontent-ort2-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/69d03134ad19029d450bdbecd6cdd544/5B6E5B47/t51.2885-15/e35/24331939_130772104286248_5825865185583169536_n.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b8/81/40/b881406e3e90e88cadb1c7cc94922bee.jpg)
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I think disproportioned guys with longer legs look stunning, specially if they're fit, like the following guys...
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7f/67/4c/7f674c8b9ded3aa93e65676916ebb166.jpg)
(https://scontent-ort2-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/69d03134ad19029d450bdbecd6cdd544/5B6E5B47/t51.2885-15/e35/24331939_130772104286248_5825865185583169536_n.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b8/81/40/b881406e3e90e88cadb1c7cc94922bee.jpg)
If you don't have a race bias, you could look for models/body builders of Aboriginal Australian origin... (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5242.0)
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(https://www.tallwomen.org/images/homepage/margo.jpg)
Margo Dydek (RIP). Tallest female basketball player to have ever played, AFAIK.
218cm, or 7'2. She looked all legs to me.
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(https://s33.postimg.cc/4jra9fgkf/Y4_PVi5_T.jpg)
short torso long legs long arms vs normal build but with short arms
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Nice pics in this thread, with crap discussion.
I think you mean Japanese LLer Yu Darvish. Look at his head and arms. Too small for his leg length and impossible to happen in nature. /sarcasm
Theres no chance he's done LL come on lol.
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(https://s33.postimg.cc/4jra9fgkf/Y4_PVi5_T.jpg)
short torso long legs long arms vs normal build but with short arms
It's not the guy on the right who has the odd proportions here... :D
Having said this, Khabib's arms are 5cm shorter than his stature and he put McGregor away comfortably.
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What I get from this thread is that people start worrying so much about their proportions that anyone who doesn't have McGregor's arms is perceived as disproportionate.
Honestly, I haven't seen a single person in any of the photos who looked disproportionate to me.. other than perhaps McGregor himself.
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Proportions really aren't a problem for the vast majority of leg lengthening patients. By the time they actually do become a problem (6+ inches of lengthening), other issues will be far more pressing.