Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Height & Proportions => Topic started by: w1988 on March 15, 2015, 06:15:33 PM
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Hey I thought about something that I think nobody has picked up on.
Guys in Holland/Scandinavia are known to be the tallest, but you never hear girls say "Dutch guys are so hot" or "those Swedish guys are so fit". If country comes into play then it's usually Italian, French, Spanish, etc (i.e. countries where guys are much shorter, if not the shortest in the region).
Just wanted to say that because it seems EVERY thread always has guy that writes a "in Sweden" or "guys in Denmark" or some BS 'mommy never hugged me' post (you know who you are).
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Well I live in Sweden so it's relevant.
Do you hear this from people who have actually visited France/Spain and Holland/Scandinavia? Because I hear a lot of people talking about how "beautiful" us swedes are -so much that I've begun to find it annoying.
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Well I live in Sweden so it's relevant.
Do you hear this from people who have actually visited France/Spain and Holland/Scandinavia? Because I hear a lot of people talking about how "beautiful" us swedes are -so much that I've begun to find it annoying.
They aren't talking about you (the men), they are talking about the woman (probably the reason why you are annoyed?), Scandinavian women are undoubtedly more attractive in general. Most of the guys are tall/big but also fat, pudgy, pale and boring as fk. I live in London, and never heard of a girl use Danish, Swedish, etc to positively describe a male.
Good examples would be Chile and Italy. Many people consider those places to have many attractive people but it's only 1 sided — Chile has attractive women but guys are ugly as fk and Italy has attractive men but women are ugly as fk. Again, Scandinavia we're only talking about the women when it comes to describing as your people as 'attractive'.
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They aren't talking about you (the men), they are talking about the woman (probably the reason why you are annoyed?), Scandinavian women are undoubtedly more attractive in general. Most of the guys are tall/big but also fat, pudgy, pale and boring as fk. I live in London, and never heard of a girl use Danish, Swedish, etc to positively describe a male.
Good examples would be Chile and Italy. Many people consider those places to have many attractive people but it's only 1 sided — Chile has attractive women but guys are ugly as fk and Italy has attractive men but women are ugly as fk. Again, Scandinavia we're only talking about the women when it comes to describing as your people as 'attractive'.
my friend sat on a plane towards a Scandinavian country and he was perturbed. everyone was so fat and squeezed like a tuna in a plane.... fat and tall.
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Hah, well I guess I learned something. People really aren't that fat though but I suppose stereotypes are stereotypes.
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I guess they think italians, french or spanish guys are the hottest because scandinavian girls find fair hair and blue eyes so common and so they look for something more darker, maybe brunette. So I guess it doesnt have to do too much with height
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I guess they think italians, french or spanish guys are the hottest because scandinavian girls find fair hair and blue eyes so common and so they look for something more darker, maybe brunette. So I guess it doesnt have to do too much with height
No I've noticed girls talking about italian men, it's a cliché just like all british men are supposed to be posh with bad teeth, the dutch are liberal people in wooden shoes and the french are self absorbed artists. Silly stuff all arouond.
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In the end it all comes down to personal preference, all these images like the romantic french guy or the passionate italians are rather sterotypes created by the movie industry than reality. Arguing about sterotypes is not really epedient in my eyes :P
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My point was how so many people here point out the Dutch/Scandinavians as if they're winning a race of attractiveness. Like bro, are they really?
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My point was how so many people here point out the Dutch/Scandinavians as if they're winning a race of attractiveness. Like bro, are they really?
I really don't know if it makes sense to brand one population as "attractive" or "ugly"
What I can say is that scandinavians are a bit taller than other Europeans on average, except for the dutch who are the tallest in the world. Make of that what you will.
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The bigger height isn´t even really noticable, I´ve visited Stockholm and the only thing I noticed that more people were blond but that was is it.
Like Uppland said to characterizing a whole nation as good looking or not is pointless :P
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on my flight to abu dhabi I noticed many Caucasians and most are fat.. Asians are skinnier. same thing for the flight to Singapore (some Australians going towards Brisbane). ,average height hovers around 178. I would be above average at 183.
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The bigger height isn´t even really noticable, I´ve visited Stockholm and the only thing I noticed that more people were blond but that was is it.
Like Uppland said to characterizing a whole nation as good looking or not is pointless :P
Really, I always see so many tall people in Stockholm, maybe it was tourist season?
on my flight to abu dhabi I noticed many Caucasians and most are fat.. Asians are skinnier. same thing for the flight to Singapore (some Australians going towards Brisbane). ,average height hovers around 178. I would be above average at 183.
Doesn't surprise me western people (at least middle age and up) don't live very healthy lives. Asians are smaller in general though so it makes sense that they percieve westerners as big or fat.
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Dutch and Swedish guys are HUGE in comparison to the rest of the europeans, but that does not mean that French nor Italians are short. In fact, most of the Europeans are above 175 cm tall. Probably the only country in which you may see a slightly shorter group of males is in Spain, where 165 cm is short but still type of common to see out of the streets (just as in Mexico and the rest of Latin America, you won't be get called names for being short unless you are 160 cm or under like me).
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I have seen lot of european/american girls in usa and london and in uae hanging around with saudi or qatari or uae boys. The average height of saudi boys is around 177cm and most of them are rich with dark thick hairs, brown/wheatish complexion and athletic body type.
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Really, I always see so many tall people in Stockholm, maybe it was tourist season?
Doesn't surprise me western people (at least middle age and up) don't live very healthy lives. Asians are smaller in general though so it makes sense that they percieve westerners as big or fat.
Yes it's different when you think of italy, spain or maybe France but there is absolutly no noticable difference between austrians germans or ppl from sweden. I am very attentive to the heights of people and I really didn't notice any height difference.
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They aren't talking about you (the men), they are talking about the woman (probably the reason why you are annoyed?), Scandinavian women are undoubtedly more attractive in general. Most of the guys are tall/big but also fat, pudgy, pale and boring as fk. I live in London, and never heard of a girl use Danish, Swedish, etc to positively describe a male.
Good examples would be Chile and Italy. Many people consider those places to have many attractive people but it's only 1 sided — Chile has attractive women but guys are ugly as fk and Italy has attractive men but women are ugly as fk. Again, Scandinavia we're only talking about the women when it comes to describing as your people as 'attractive'.
Man, as a chilean you are totally wrong. The most attractive women in Latin America are from Colombia, Venezuela, Brazil and, althought I hate to agree with it, Perú.
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Man, as a chilean you are totally wrong. The most attractive women in Latin America are from Colombia, Venezuela, Brazil and, althought I hate to agree with it, Perú.
Swedish women are overrated, they're often tall with little curves and even less charm.
Colombian:
(http://style.mtv.com//wp-content/uploads/style/2014/01/shakira-rihanna-6.jpg)
Swedish
(https://cdn2.cdnme.se/cdn/6-2/1437383/images/2010/212996_729_488_1_75358112.jpg)
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My weakness has always been waspy-looking women. I love blondes and redheads with blue eyes. It kinda works because I have that Mediterranean look that a lot of them seem to dig. Too bad I don't have the Swedish height to go with it lol...I guess life would be too easy then.
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Aren't you from the UK? That would explain it really, the UK has an infatuation with everything Italian and has a strange complex about their fair features. I live in one of the more diverse states in the US and have personally heard women discuss their infatuation for english and especially scandinavian males multiple times. In fact I knew this one girl in school who was half icelandic, her father had had sex with so many women in this area that some of them decided to keep his child even after he flew back to iceland so he wouldn't have to raise them. I was checking the facebooks of some of my high school girl peers and way too many of them went to study in the Midwest and especially Minnesota, a part of the US known for people of Scandinavian/German ancestry. There was also 1 girl that went to study abroad in the UK, 1 to Ireland, and 3 of them went to Sweden. in comparison there was one girl who went to study in Paris and that's it. A tall fair featured male is basically the ideal for many women here. Tall being the emphasized part, since there are so many short people here a noticeably tall male(187-200cm) usually has multiple dating options and many suitors at any give time.
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No, I'm not from the UK, I'm American. When I was in Italy, everyone would approach me speaking Italian, but I don't speak it. I blended in very well lol.
And yeah, tall will always be the emphasized part. Women like TALL (first and foremost), dark and handsome. Oh well...two outta three's not bad (especially since I'm at least 5'8" now, which is decent).
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No, I'm not from the UK, I'm American. When I was in Italy, everyone would approach me speaking Italian, but I don't speak it. I blended in very well lol.
And yeah, tall will always be the emphasized part. Women like TALL (first and foremost), dark and handsome. Oh well...two outta three's not bad (especially since I'm at least 5'8" now, which is decent).
I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to OP. In my state blonde guys actually have an advantage because of their rarity and a lot of women have a blonde fetish, since 'dark' is the norm here. I'm sure it's the opposite in places where fair features are commonplace.
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How tall are you then Hadrian and what are your plans?
Too bad I'm not blonde nor do I have blue eyes, nor am I tall. I really don't look very scandinavian even though my family is swedish through and through.
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Swedish women are overrated, they're often tall with little curves and even less charm.
Colombian:
(http://style.mtv.com//wp-content/uploads/style/2014/01/shakira-rihanna-6.jpg)
Swedish
(https://cdn2.cdnme.se/cdn/6-2/1437383/images/2010/212996_729_488_1_75358112.jpg)
I´d prefere the swedish girl :D
I just love tall girls with long legs, the perfect girl for me would be around 180
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I agree, I'd go with the Swedish girl too. Smoking hot and exactly my type!
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I´d prefere the swedish girl :D
I just love tall girls with long legs, the perfect girl for me would be around 180
Try your luck in Northern Europe.
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In all fairness I have also lived in a more rural area in a different state before with a small Italian community. Italian guys did great there. In fact i'm sure mediterranean guys do fine everywhere. Mediterraneans/Francophones also have their culture going for them, so the ideal here would probably be both blonde and Italian.
How tall are you then Hadrian and what are your plans?
Too bad I'm not blonde nor do I have blue eyes, nor am I tall. I really don't look very scandinavian even though my family is swedish through and through.
I am 183cm with a wingspan of 186-187cm and my goal is to reach 190-200cm. I've met scandinavians before, even with all the stereotypes most of them have brown hair, so I wouldnt feel weird about not being a blond Swede man. I'm a dark haired white male.
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I agree, I'd go with the Swedish girl too. Smoking hot and exactly my type!
Shallow, stuck up, rich and hard to impress? You would love Stockholm.
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I am 183cm with a wingspan of 186-187cm and my goal is to reach 190-200cm.
190CM is doable in one surgery while staying within the "safe" amout more or less.
You're lucky about that height but think about the risk/reward in your case, although I'm sure you do.
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Shallow, stuck up, rich and hard to impress? You would love Stockholm.
Meh, I just meant my type physically...to find a girl that hot with a winning personality is like finding a needle in a haystack the size of the planet.
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Shallow, stuck up, rich and hard to impress? You would love Stockholm.
So far I only had very positive experiences with people from sweden (my parents have some swedish friends who come and visit us from time to time). Friendly, well educated, eloquent and open minded, maybe because they are professors at a university in Lund but even when I was Sweden myself, the people seemed waaaaay nicer than were I am from :P
Idk much about the younger generation though, never got in touch with people in my age.
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Hottest teacher I ever had was a Peruvian lady with the best butt I've ever seen on a woman. I made sure to sit in front of the class and did well in the material to impress her. Only time I ever got an A in math. I do love South American women, particularly from Colombia.
Would also love to find an Asian milf with a booty.
Still haven't found one though, even after spending 4 months in China. They're like rare Pokemon.
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So far I only had very positive experiences with people from sweden (my parents have some swedish friends who come and visit us from time to time). Friendly, well educated, eloquent and open minded, maybe because they are professors at a university in Lund but even when I was Sweden myself, the people seemed waaaaay nicer than were I am from :P
Idk much about the younger generation though, never got in touch with people in my age.
Yeah people are pretty polite and pleasant, it's just a stereotype about the women in Stockholm really and it's only partly true.
Yellowspike if you wanna come over remember to do it in the summer, I'm sure you could find a leggy swedish girl if that's your thing.
It's a nice town for tourists.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9QpC7QwnRU[video]
-Kilokahn I had a chilean teacher in 8th grade (14 years old) and she had the best ass. She was cheeky though because she used to sit in my lap and later I realized she was always flirting with me despite the 20 years or so age difference.
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How come everyone talks about the Swedish girls but you never hear a thing about the Norwegian ones?
I had a chilean teacher in 8th grade (14 years old) and she had the best ass. She was cheeky though because she used to sit in my lap and later I realized she was always flirting with me despite the 20 years or so age difference.
Did you try and see how far you could take it?
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How come everyone talks about the Swedish girls but you never hear a thing about the Norwegian ones?
Did you try and see how far you could take it?
No mate I was 14, I didn't know anything about anything.
I did, however, flirt heavily with my English teacher just last year but then I met her out on the town with her family and decided to lay off. She looked like Katy Perry, pretty cute.
-EDIT Norweigans and swedes look the same, you'd be hard pressed to find more similar countries than Denmark/Sweden/Finland/Norway
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Yeah people are pretty polite and pleasant, it's just a stereotype about the women in Stockholm really and it's only partly true.
Yellowspike if you wanna come over remember to do it in the summer, I'm sure you could find a leggy swedish girl if that's your thing.
It's a nice town for tourists.
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9QpC7QwnRU[video]
-Kilokahn I had a chilean teacher in 8th grade (14 years old) and she had the best ass. She was cheeky though because she used to sit in my lap and later I realized she was always flirting with me despite the 20 years or so age difference.
I knew Uppland was a jack of all trades; forum dynamo, ladies man, what's next? I had a science teacher in 8th grade who was very very attractive, whenever she used to bend over you could see her pretty white panties sticking through her old lady pants she wore to look professional. And I swear she was ckteasing me when she leaned over directly in front of my desk to check on my work, revealing her cleavage. Pure WAU! If I could have had a passionate relationship with one of my female teachers in middle/high school, i'd feel as accomplished as a multinational CEO.
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I knew Uppland was a jack of all trades; forum dynamo, ladies man, what's next? I had a science teacher in 8th grade who was very very attractive, whenever she used to bend over you could see her pretty white panties sticking through her old lady pants she wore to look professional. And I swear she was ckteasing me when she leaned over directly in front of my desk to check on my work, revealing her cleavage. Pure WAU! If I could have had a passionate relationship with one of my female teachers in middle/high school, i'd feel as accomplished as a multinational CEO.
I don't live up to my internet persona IRL I'm afraid, I used to be somewhat popular with the fairer sex but I've been hit with the blues for a year now due to my height. The people who advice about confidence has got it right you know, without it you won't even try.
Sad stories aside it was always my fantasy to sleep with one of my teachers, none of them were ever that hot though except for maybe that chilean woman.
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I don't live up to my internet persona IRL I'm afraid, I used to be somewhat popular with the fairer sex but I've been hit with the blues for a year now due to my height. The people who advice about confidence has got it right you know, without it you won't even try.
Sad stories aside it was always my fantasy to sleep with one of my teachers, none of them were ever that hot though except for maybe that chilean woman.
I kinda took Uppland the same. Seems like a cool and smooth dude. If I ever go to Sweden, he's
gonna find me a sexy blonde. And my celeb crush is also,Katy Perry.
If you used to do well with girls, why do you want LL? Granted I did well with girls too, but my height was to the point that I had to deal with the occasional height diss. I can't imagine you are at your height. As much as we love you on the forum, maybe you should leave. I say this only because you're not short and you seem like you don't need LL in real life.
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I don't live up to my internet persona IRL I'm afraid, I used to be somewhat popular with the fairer sex but I've been hit with the blues for a year now due to my height. The people who advice about confidence has got it right you know, without it you won't even try.
Sad stories aside it was always my fantasy to sleep with one of my teachers, none of them were ever that hot though except for maybe that chilean woman.
I understand completely about the height part. I was actually fairly tall in elementary and middle school(4th-8th grade let's say) by 8th grade I had already reached my now adult height of 183cm. I was most popular with girls at that time coincidentally, had my first kiss in 7th grade. Then in the summer before 9th grade I visited a pediatrician for a checkup and also got x-rays for an injury. I decided to ask him what height he thought I was projected to grow to, and he told me my plates had already nearly fused. At that point I was devastated, considering my father was literally 10cms taller than me and my mother was 2cm shorter than me. Runt born in a tall family basically, and as I continued my schooling everybody else grew around my height or taller while I stayed the same. Keep in mind I was living in a different, taller state at the time. Told i would grow tall from a young age, it was ingrained in my mind and entirely logical that one day I would reach my father's height. All I wanted was to meet my father eye to eye, face to face, man to man, and my body failed to do so. I'll probably always have a complex about this.
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I kinda took Uppland the same. Seems like a cool and smooth dude. If I ever go to Sweden, he's
gonna find me a sexy blonde. And my celeb crush is also,Katy Perry.
If you used to do well with girls, why do you want LL? Granted I did well with girls too, but my height was to the point that I had to deal with the occasional height diss. I can't imagine you are at your height.
I will do LL to better fit who I want to be. I want to be a mature, successful and, yes, tall man. At 178CM I feel more like a teenager than an adult unfortunately.
Well that's silly because I am a teenager but that's how I feel about it, and that feeling isn't going away it seems -no matter what I do.
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I will do LL to better fit who I want to be. I want to be a mature, successful and, yes, tall man. At 178CM I feel more like a teenager than an adult unfortunately.
Well that's silly because I am a teenager but that's how I feel about it, and that feeling isn't going away it seems -no matter what I do.
Maybe you'll feel differently in a few years. No ones perfect, man. I understand, I still want to be taller. I'm also older. There comes a point where we have to try to be happy with what we have. Life's too short to spend on trying to fix every flaw we have. That's part of why a second LL is unlikely for me.
But of course, its all up to how you feel about yourself. You already sound like you're ahead of most men.
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I understand completely about the height part. I was actually fairly tall in elementary and....
At least the promised land (190+) is more or less within your reach, I will never be that tall, still I'd be satisfied with 186CM that is, in my opinion, a respetable height.
I would like to be tall, but what I really want is to measure up to the other adults. Most of them are between 183-190CM.
Maybe you'll feel differently in a few years.
Maybe, but I won't spend the flower of my youth without, at the very least, a plan of action.
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I kinda took Uppland the same. Seems like a cool and smooth dude. If I ever go to Sweden, he's
gonna find me a sexy blonde. And my celeb crush is also,Katy Perry.
If you used to do well with girls, why do you want LL? Granted I did well with girls too, but my height was to the point that I had to deal with the occasional height diss. I can't imagine you are at your height. As much as we love you on the forum, maybe you should leave. I say this only because you're not short and you seem like you don't need LL in real life.
What is the definition of short? Is a 5'5" man short in Peru where the average male's height is 5'4 1⁄2"? I could make the same claim that you shouldnt be here because of the huge countries like the Philippines, Vietnam, India, Peru, etc where you would be average or even above. But that would be stupid, because i'm not ignorant enough to apply the standards of a different country upon the one that matters to you, IE the country you reside in. Uppland lives in a tall country and rightfully feels short. Why is his plight any less serious than your own?
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Don't be like that Hadrian, I'm the first to recognize how silly my "plight" is and I've got all the more respect for shorter guys because of it.
Not that I judge you or anyone else that want the surgery but you should realize that you're slightly crazy -ironically that's the only way to know you're still sane.
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What is the definition of short? Is a 5'5" man short in Peru where the average male's height is 5'4 1⁄2"? I could make the same claim that you shouldnt be here because of the huge countries like the Philippines, Vietnam, India, Peru, etc where you would be average or even above. But that would be stupid, because i'm not ignorant enough to apply the standards of a different country upon the one that matters to you, IE the country you reside in. Uppland lives in a tall country and rightfully feels short. Why is his plight any less serious than your own?
I didn't say his plight was less important, nor did I mean to imply it if I did. His height would be average in most other countries, and he seems to be doing well in most other areas of his life. And I think (I could be wrong) the world average is 5'7". I'm American and live in a major city, a melting pot, if you will. He would NOT be considered short here.
But if getting LL will help him then I'm all for it. I was just suggesting that he may feel differently in a few years.
And Hadrian, you're 183, right? If so....while you may not be as tall as you'd like to be, you aren't short by any standards. But some people are never satisfied with what they have. You may just want a certain height, and that's fine, but at your height, I can't imagine you're facing any discrimination.
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Don't be like that Hadrian, I'm the first to recognize how silly my "plight" is and I've got all the more respect for shorter guys because of it.
Not that I judge you or anyone else that want the surgery but you should realize that you're slightly crazy -ironically that's the only way to know you're still sane.
Don't feel the need to lay easy on me just because i'm a fan Uppland. If you disagree with what I say i'm happy to hear you say it.
There is no reason to cowtow to others who disregard the plight of others. All you can do is meet them halfway, and if they are unable to do the same to you, you shouldnt pick up their slack for them. If people continue to belittle, deride, and try to exclude those of taller starting heights on this site, all they deserve is a healthy dose of logic in return.
In a hypothetical situation where there was a country with an average height of 6'5", I wouldnt lambast a 6'3" resident of that country for wanting to leg lengthen, just because I am jealous of his starting height. Though I would never criticize anyone for wanting to LL because I'm not in their shoes, It would be more logical to lambast a 5'5" male in the philippines for wanting to leg lengthen, because he is already average.
I didn't say his plight was less important, nor did I mean to imply it if I did. His height would be average in most other countries, and he seems to be doing well in most other areas of his life. And I think (I could be wrong) the world average is 5'7". I'm American and live in a major city, a melting pot, if you will. He would NOT be considered short here.
Then what were you trying to imply? Because you seem to imply the exact same thing in multiple posts of yours, you're in fact one of the biggest height discriminators on this site. And why do height standards in your area carry any more weight to his situation than a Peruvian male's does to yours?
And Hadrian, you're 183, right? If so....while you may not be as tall as you'd like to be, you aren't short by any standards. But some people are never satisfied with what they have. You may just want a certain height, and that's fine, but at your height, I can't imagine you're facing any discrimination.
If it was just about discrimination and not vanity you should have considered moving to Indonesia where you wouldn't be short.
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Don't feel the need to lay easy on me just because i'm a fan Uppland. If you disagree with what I say i'm happy to hear you say it.
There is no reason to cowtow to others who disregard the plight of others. All you can do is meet them halfway, and if they are unable to do the same to you, you shouldnt pick up their slack for them. If people continue to belittle, deride, and try to exclude those of taller starting heights on this site, all they deserve is a healthy dose of logic in return.
In a hypothetical situation where there was a country with an average height of 6'5", I wouldnt lambast a 6'3" resident of that country for wanting to leg lengthen, just because I am jealous of his starting height. Though I would never criticize anyone for wanting to LL because I'm not in their shoes, It would be more logical to lambast a 5'5" male in the philippines for wanting to leg lengthen, because he is already average.
Then what were you trying to imply? Because you seem to imply the exact same thing in multiple posts of yours, you're in fact one of the biggest height discriminators on this site. And why do height standards in your area carry any more weight to his situation than a Peruvian male's does to yours?
If it was just about discrimination and not vanity you should have considered moving to Indonesia where you wouldn't be short.
Even in short countries there is plenty of height discrimination. In big cities in China, most girls filter for 175cm+ on dating sites which is a good bit over the country's male average. There used to be minimum height requirements listed on job advertisements until it was outlawed.. though the discrimination is still there, just done subtly.
You may argue relative population heights, and I certainly believe that you can feel short at any height, but there is a definitely an absolute relative height scale for humans, and you are not short on that scale by any means. And the same goes to say while the 5'7" guy in the Philippines might feel tall surrounded by his compatriots, he is not actually tall by any means.
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Even in short countries there is plenty of height discrimination. In big cities in China, most girls filter for 175cm+ on dating sites which is a good bit over the country's male average. There used to be minimum height requirements listed on job advertisements until it was outlawed.. though the discrimination is still there, just done subtly.
You may argue relative population heights, and I certainly believe that you can feel short at any height, but there is a definitely an absolute relative height scale for humans, and you are not short on that scale by any means. And the same goes to say while the 5'7" guy in the Philippines might feel tall surrounded by his compatriots, he is not actually tall by any means.
Yes, height discrimination is everywhere and intrinsic to our species. Women do the same filter technique here, but surprise surprise, the relative heights they filter for are taller than in shorter countries, usually around 6 foot. And guess what, that 175cm western male's plight is just as serious as the 167cm Chinese male's.
It's all relative and there is no denying this. How can you argue relative height scales in a world where pygmies, a tribe of whom the people are dwarfism-tier, and the Maasai people, where average male heights were over 6'4", both coexist on the same continent? Insinuating that the filipino male isn't tall is just ignorance on your part.
If anything the relative height scale, if in a fantasy world where such a thing actually existed, should be dismally low, considering giant countries with the majority of the world population like India, China, Indonesia, are all of a very short height statistically at around 5'5". Meanwhile there are multiple other countries with smaller populations that have very large heights at around 6'0" that bump up the average. So in essence pegging the relative male height at 5'7" is like pegging the relative human eye color as green. Because that's what you get when you average out blue and brown right? Just ignore the fact that only 2% of the world has green eyes vs like 13% blue and majority brown.
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Yes, height discrimination is everywhere and intrinsic to our species. Women do the same filter technique here, but surprise surprise, the relative heights they filter for are taller than in shorter countries, usually around 6 foot. And guess what, that 175cm western male's plight is just as serious as the 167cm Chinese male's.
It's all relative and there is no denying this. How can you argue relative height scales in a world where pygmies, a tribe of whom the people are dwarfism-tier, and the Maasai people, where average male heights were over 6'4", both coexist on the same continent? Insinuating that the filipino male isn't tall is just ignorance on your part.
If anything the relative height scale, if in a fantasy world where such a thing actually existed, should be dismally low, considering giant countries with the majority of the world population like India, China, Indonesia, are all of a very short height statistically at around 5'5". Meanwhile there are multiple other countries with smaller populations that have very large heights at around 6'0" that bump up the average. So in essence pegging the relative male height at 5'7" is like pegging the relative human eye color as green. Because that's what you get when you average out blue and brown right? Just ignore the fact that only 2% of the world has green eyes vs like 13% blue and majority brown.
I would ignore what women say they want. "Tall" is a proxy for dominance and confidence in a woman's mind; do you really think those same women that say "6'0+ only" would turn down 5'11 Brad Pitt or 5'9 Marlon Brando in his prime? I doubt very many would.
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I would ignore what women say they want. "Tall" is a proxy for dominance and confidence in a woman's mind; do you really think those same women that say "6'0+ only" would turn down 5'11 Brad Pitt or 5'9 Marlon Brando in his prime? I doubt very many would.
I agree with you and meursault that it's most important to look at what women do, and not what they say. BelowTheMean brought up the height filtering in an online dating context. Online dating is a platform where exact numbers mean more than usual because that's one of the only things women have to go by. In a height context that means that yes, Brad Pitts and Marlon Brandos could easily be passed over due to the nature of the game. In person there are many things that play a role in determining a male's attractiveness. No, I do not think very many women would turn down Brando or Pitt in their primes, in person.
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Then what were you trying to imply? Because you seem to imply the exact same thing in multiple posts of yours, you're in fact one of the biggest height discriminators on this site. And why do height standards in your area carry any more weight to his situation than a Peruvian male's does to yours?
If it was just about discrimination and not vanity you should have considered moving to Indonesia where you wouldn't be short.
lol...you seem like a very argumentative person. I probably shouldn't engage with you, but I'd like to at least once address some of what you've said at least once.
You're probably right, there probably are some posts of mine on here where I appear to "discriminate" (lol) against taller men for wanting LL. But you probably also either read into them the wrong way, or didn't see my other posts where I flat out said "I understand and agree that cosmetic surgery should be up to the specific individual." If someone who is 7ft wants LL, all the more power to them. I was just trying to explain that, given the severity of this surgery, men who are at least a decent height (I won't go into numbers, since then you'll just start splitting hairs, but maybe the world average could be a place to start) should at least think twice about it. Because there comes a point where, maybe, must maybe, it's more in these guy's heads.
You mentioned a bunch of countries. Remember, I'm a Caucasian male living in a VERY big city (perhaps the biggest in the world). There are people of every different race from all over the world living in my city. I wasn't trying to say my "plight" (lol) is more important because of where I Live...i was trying to demonstrate that I have seen people of all races where I live, so I compare myself against men of all races from all over the world (not just white people). But, for a white male, I would be considered short no matter what. The average american I think is 5'9.5", so I'm still considered short in my own country as it is (I'm not sure this figure includes all races, or just Caucasians).
Look man - you are 6ft. I don't know, and frankly don't care, where you live. If you want LL, go, go get it. If you're in the Netherlands, which I know is a very tall country, you are what, average at worst? We are all raised and have ingrained into our heads that 6ft and up (perhaps a bit taller, nowadays) is the ideal height for men. A guy of my former height is going to experience discrimination almost everywhere he goes. I'm well-traveled myself, and have been considered short wherever I went, though I didn't go to the countries you mentioned. Why the hell should I have to move to Indonesia to not be considered short? But at 6ft, you are at a good enough height for most of the world, most women, etc. I don't care where you live, the average height of the Philippines, etc. - do NOT try to insinuate that you, as a 6ft guy, understand what it's like to be a 5'5" guy, because you don't. Why do you think some LL doctors won't do the surgery if you're already a certain height (Dr. Rozbruch, for instance, has a hard time taking men who I think are over 5'6")?
Anyway, live and let live. If you want LL, go for it. If LL will improve your life, I sincerely wish you the best bro.
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Where do you live Hadrian and why you want ll?
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I would ignore what women say they want. "Tall" is a proxy for dominance and confidence in a woman's mind; do you really think those same women that say "6'0+ only" would turn down 5'11 Brad Pitt or 5'9 Marlon Brando in his prime? I doubt very many would.
Agree with this. I think if a guy is at least 5'7", he will do fine with girls so long as he's at least in decent shape and not bad looking. I think James Dean was like 5'7" or something.
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At least the promised land (190+) is more or less within your reach, I will never be that tall, still I'd be satisfied with 186CM that is, in my opinion, a respetable height.
I would like to be tall, but what I really want is to measure up to the other adults. Most of them are between 183-190CM.
Maybe, but I won't spend the flower of my youth without, at the very least, a plan of action.
The "promised land" uppland can you explain why you want to be so tall, I remember you wanted to be 195 cm, seems you want to dominate people to feel superior , that s a Terrible psychological trait
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The "promised land" uppland can you explain why you want to be so tall, I remember you wanted to be 195 cm, seems you want to dominate people to feel superior , that s a Terrible psychological trait
Don't quit your daytime job to become a psychologist mate. I think 190-195 is the perfect height range, that's all there is to it.
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Don't quit your daytime job to become a psychologist mate. I think 190-195 is the perfect height range, that's all there is to it.
maybe you're right, i will do a first surgery to be 186.5 cm-187 cm, and then a second to reach the promised land
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I agree with Uppland, my Cousin who is the same age as me is 194 and I'd say his height is just perfect. He doesn't look weird nor does he stick out of the crowd too much. I won't ever reach that height, however, I'd say everything above 185 is fine.
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I'm well-traveled myself, and have been considered short wherever I went, though I didn't go to the countries you mentioned. Why the hell should I have to move to Indonesia to not be considered short?
Well traveled but you haven't been to heavy hitter countries like China, Indonesia, India, Philippines, Mexico? Sounds like you like to believe you're well traveled but in reality you've only been to one or two regions. With such a substandard travel history some humility would be in order on your part. I have been to tall regions and short countries before and I can recognize my experience and standards regarding height are basically useless in some countries. Thus I don't impose my height standards upon others.
If you don't care about the heights of other countries, how about you just put everyone that isn't from the US on your ignore list? Seems to me that's how you want to live your life; bissfully ignorant of the rest of the world. If the presence of the more vertical members here enrages you to the point of churning out post after post with passive aggressive intent targeting us, it may be better for your mental health if you cut us out entirely.
I ask again; why should we have to move from our tall regions to avoid being attacked by the terrorist goons on this forum?
do NOT try to insinuate that you, as a 6ft guy, understand what it's like to be a 5'5" guy, because you don't.
Why should I care? You have yet to meet me halfway after all. It seems to me that as a former 5'5" male yourself you have even less of a clue of what it's like to be 5'5" than I do. I am well aware that there are tens, perhaps hundreds of millions of males that are 5'5" that make due just fine due to living in short countries. Why is it that a 6'0" man has to try to educate you on stuff you should have realized decades ago?
Anyway, live and let live. If you want LL, go for it. If LL will improve your life, I sincerely wish you the best bro.
Thank you for the sentiments. I intend on having ext. tibias in 2016, and if needed internal femurs later down the line. I'm glad you're around to share your LL experience, even if I strongly disagree with your height opinions.
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Well traveled but you haven't been to heavy hitter countries like China, Indonesia, India, Philippines, Mexico? Sounds like you like to believe you're well traveled but in reality you've only been to one or two regions. With such a substandard travel history some humility would be in order on your part. I have been to tall regions and short countries before and I can recognize my experience and standards regarding height are basically useless in some countries. Thus I don't impose my height standards upon others.
If you don't care about the heights of other countries, how about you just put everyone that isn't from the US on your ignore list? Seems to me that's how you want to live your life; bissfully ignorant of the rest of the world. If the presence of the more vertical members here enrages you to the point of churning out post after post with passive aggressive intent targeting us, it may be better for your mental health if you cut us out entirely.
I ask again; why should we have to move from our tall regions to avoid being attacked by the terrorist goons on this forum?
Why should I care? You have yet to meet me halfway after all. It seems to me that as a former 5'5" male yourself you have even less of a clue of what it's like to be 5'5" than I do. I am well aware that there are tens, perhaps hundreds of millions of males that are 5'5" that make due just fine due to living in short countries. Why is it that a 6'0" man has to try to educate you on stuff you should have realized decades ago?
Thank you for the sentiments. I intend on having ext. tibias in 2016, and if needed internal femurs later down the line. I'm glad you're around to share your LL experience, even if I strongly disagree with your height opinions.
And where, exactly, did I explicitly list the countries that I've visited? I love how you just assume that I haven't been to any of those countries. Granted, I will flat out admit that I've only been to Mexico from that list...but I spent a good amount of time there several years ago. And I still felt short there. And what I've tried to explain, but clearly it's fallen on deaf ears, is that considering where I live (a major urban city, with many sections where people from these countries live), I do have experience with people from all different cultures. For instance, I may walk into a certain neighborhood, and feel average because it's primarily an Asian or Mexican neighborhood. I'm sure you'll shoot that down from your high horse as well, but just saying. And did you not see where I mentioned the "world average" of 5'7"? Granted, that figure may be off, but if a guy is at least just above the world average, even if he travels around the world and lives in different countries, he'll still be at a decent height, on average.
Anyway, I really don't give a flying f*ck what you think about me or my opinions on height. I think it's absolutely hilarious (and quite insulting) how you, as a 6ft man, can even think about attempting to "educate" me about other short males doing "fine" around the world. No sh*t sherlock - I was one of them. So was my dad. So was my grandfather. So are several of my current friends. You of all people should know not to think you know what it's like to actually BE a short man, because you never have been and never will be.
I have no idea what I said in other posts that set you off. Yes - I do think it's crazy how people of certain heights want LL. I won't bring any others into the discussion because I don't want to throw names around, but I'm definitely not the only one who feels this way on this forum. Maybe you feel paranoid because deep down, you realize that LL at your height is kinda...not necessary? Like I said...plastic surgery is a very personal decision. If you want LL, and if LL will improve your life, go for it. You seem to know what you want. Just get off your high horse and stop pretending that your height is a bad height and that you know what it's like to be short. I can tell you from experience that LL is a very serious, difficult, expensive, and painful road.
I just think, given the severity of the surgery, men who are already a "certain height" (won't use a number to keep it arbitrary) should really think twice about it. Anywho, I will no longer be engaging in this conversation. I'll just leave it at that. To each his own. Best of luck to you.
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Most guys are short but are good looking so they look great in pictures but most people are so dumb they don't realize the tall guys they are attracted to 99% of pictures are not tall and in reality they are much shorter in general. The attraction people have is a sexual fantasy / stereotypes galore.
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Glad to see my thoughts have at least broken the scandinavian mold.
Women like TALL (first and foremost), dark and handsome. Oh well...two outta three's not bad (especially since I'm at least 5'8" now, which is decent).
You still think tall trumps the other 2, like tall & dark > dark & handsome? I still think dark & handsome is better, maybe both are true depending on the girl.
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Well traveled but you haven't been to heavy hitter countries like China, Indonesia, India, Philippines, Mexico? Sounds like you like to believe you're well traveled but in reality you've only been to one or two regions. With such a substandard travel history some humility would be in order on your part. I have been to tall regions and short countries before and I can recognize my experience and standards regarding height are basically useless in some countries. Thus I don't impose my height standards upon others.
If you don't care about the heights of other countries, how about you just put everyone that isn't from the US on your ignore list? Seems to me that's how you want to live your life; bissfully ignorant of the rest of the world. If the presence of the more vertical members here enrages you to the point of churning out post after post with passive aggressive intent targeting us, it may be better for your mental health if you cut us out entirely.
If you live in a higher-density city in the US or UK, or probably in any west European city then you probably have a good dose of experience with people from far away countries. I've been to all of those countries you mentioned apart from China (but I've been to Hong Kong). I still think the standards are blown out of proportion and trying to include those places is like including Africa in world obesity standards.
I'm a multi racial guy (if it wasn't for my height I'd be the poster child for pro mixed-marriage groups), born in a country that I've never really been to after birth and lived all over the world. I don't think it's ignorant to basically say "who gives a fk about those countries, we are talking about places that matter?", because in reality who really gives a fk about the Maasai people.
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If you live in a higher-density city in the US or UK, or probably in any west European city then you probably have a good dose of experience with people from far away countries. I've been to all of those countries you mentioned apart from China (but I've been to Hong Kong). I still think the standards are blown out of proportion and trying to include those places is like including Africa in world obesity standards.
I'm a multi racial guy (if it wasn't for my height I'd be the poster child for pro mixed-marriage groups), born in a country that I've never really been to after birth and lived all over the world. I don't think it's ignorant to basically say "who gives a fk about those countries, we are talking about places that matter?", because in reality who really gives a fk about the Maasai people.
You pretty much said what I was thinking when arguing back with him. Thanks!
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And where, exactly, did I explicitly list the countries that I've visited? I love how you just assume that I haven't been to any of those countries. Granted, I will flat out admit that I've only been to Mexico from that list...but I spent a good amount of time there several years ago. And I still felt short there. And what I've tried to explain, but clearly it's fallen on deaf ears, is that considering where I live (a major urban city, with many sections where people from these countries live), I do have experience with people from all different cultures. For instance, I may walk into a certain neighborhood, and feel average because it's primarily an Asian or Mexican neighborhood. I'm sure you'll shoot that down from your high horse as well, but just saying. And did you not see where I mentioned the "world average" of 5'7"? Granted, that figure may be off, but if a guy is at least just above the world average, even if he travels around the world and lives in different countries, he'll still be at a decent height, on average.
Seems like I angered you to the point of rage so i'll keep it calm so you don't feel the need to reply, as you clearly hate having your opinions challenged.
That entirely depends on which countries that guy lives in, and I already explained why. i'm glad you're starting to shed your delusion now however.
Anyway, I really don't give a flying f*ck what you think about me or my opinions on height. I think it's absolutely hilarious (and quite insulting) how you, as a 6ft man, can even think about attempting to "educate" me about other short males doing "fine" around the world. No sh*t sherlock - I was one of them. So was my dad. So was my grandfather. So are several of my current friends. You of all people should know not to think you know what it's like to actually BE a short man, because you never have been and never will be.
As someone who 'doesn't care' about the opinions of the taller members of the forum, you sure to spend an exorbitant amount of time sharing your intense hatred towards them. You of all people should know not to think you have a monopoly on feeling short. With a short father and grandfather, you clearly have no clue what it's like to come home after a hard rough day at school, only to be towered by your own father and looked straight in the eye by your own sister and mother. As you're a male who was privileged to have lower height standards bestowed upon him by his family, you have no idea how painful it was to be told you would reach or exceed your father's height your entire life, only to have your plates close before you even entered the 9th grade. Born into a family where the defining aspect of the members was height, only to end up a stunted runt. That was painful my friend, you will never know the pain I face and thus do not lecture me about feeling shot.
I have no idea what I said in other posts that set you off. Yes - I do think it's crazy how people of certain heights want LL. I won't bring any others into the discussion because I don't want to throw names around, but I'm definitely not the only one who feels this way on this forum. Maybe you feel paranoid because deep down, you realize that LL at your height is kinda...not necessary? Like I said...plastic surgery is a very personal decision. If you want LL, and if LL will improve your life, go for it. You seem to know what you want. Just get off your high horse and stop pretending that your height is a bad height and that you know what it's like to be short. I can tell you from experience that LL is a very serious, difficult, expensive, and painful road.
The only paranoid one in this equation is the one who has been throwing out disses at the more vertical members for months. Why is it so hard for you to dish it out but not take it?
If you live in a higher-density city in the US or UK, or probably in any west European city then you probably have a good dose of experience with people from far away countries. I've been to all of those countries you mentioned apart from China (but I've been to Hong Kong). I still think the standards are blown out of proportion and trying to include those places is like including Africa in world obesity standards.
I'm a multi racial guy (if it wasn't for my height I'd be the poster child for pro mixed-marriage groups), born in a country that I've never really been to after birth and lived all over the world. I don't think it's ignorant to basically say "who gives a fk about those countries, we are talking about places that matter?", because in reality who really gives a fk about the Maasai people.
You have the clavicle length of a 12 year old boy and hips that could birth a small child, so don't make me laugh when you think you're the apex example of a human male. Apparently your bodily maturity also matches your mental maturity, only a child would honestly claim that giant countries like China, India, and Mexico don't matter. Let me guess, I bet you think you're superior to these people as well? For a guy that doesn't care about countries that don't matter, you sure do spend a lot of time dissing the tiny population of Scandinavia due to height jealousy.
I live in a large city and I fully acknowledge that there are many foreign peoples here. This is why I can go to a grocery store and encounter a dozen guys my height or taller, then go to a store in a different part of the city and feel like I just found an uncontacted Pygmy tribe.
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In my eyes the ideal male is 183 or below. Not too tall certainly.
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In my eyes the ideal male is 183 or below. Not too tall certainly.
I know a guy who tried to convince everyone else here that the ideal height is 183 ;)
Suspicious hahah
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Hadrian - where have I been throwing out "disses" to the taller members of this forum? Yeah, I know and own up to the fact that I have said on numerous occasions that LL isn't necessary for people of certain heights, and maybe I have had somewhat of a chip about it. You guys may feel short for other reasons (tall father, tall friends, etc.), but you have no idea what it's like to be our height. I'm not the only one who feels that way, especially given the severity of LL. However, I actually have met you halfway, I have also said that I understand you may feel short if you have a very tall father or live in a very tall country. The original point I was trying to make (that you took issue with) is that, yes, while you may have struggled with your height for other reasons, in the real world (for lack of a better term, I'm not saying your plight isn't real), your height won't hold you back very much.
I think you think that I'm vehemently against taller people getting this surgery. Like I said in yet another post, if LL can truly improve your life, then go for it. LL is a very serious, expensive, painful, and arduous process. I got angry because you made several incorrect assumptions about me and you have also taken several digs at me. I mean, you said my father/grandfather bestowed "lower height standards" on me. I understand and I'm sorry that it was painful for you to be shorter than your father when you expected to be taller, but from this comment, it almost sounds like you just want to be tall for the sake of being tall.
I'm all for people challenging each others' opinions, mate. I just don't think you really understand where I'm coming from, and like you said earlier "why should you care?" lol. It doesn't matter, I wish you luck if LL is really what you want.
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You have the clavicle length of a 12 year old boy and hips that could birth a small child, so don't make me laugh when you think you're the apex example of a human male. Apparently your bodily maturity also matches your mental maturity, only a child would honestly claim that giant countries like China, India, and Mexico don't matter. Let me guess, I bet you think you're superior to these people as well? For a guy that doesn't care about countries that don't matter, you sure do spend a lot of time dissing the tiny population of Scandinavia due to height jealousy.
I live in a large city and I fully acknowledge that there are many foreign peoples here. This is why I can go to a grocery store and encounter a dozen guys my height or taller, then go to a store in a different part of the city and feel like I just found an uncontacted Pygmy tribe.
What you said doesn't make any sense, maybe you should get your eyes checked. I take back the "poster child" thing I said yeah I was just being silly but everything else I said was true.
I wrote this Scandinavians/Dutch thread because of all the comparisons made with Scandinavians especially when describing attractiveness. This is a CLL forum and I thought it was important to say that height is not everything, but to you it sounds like it is. But you're right, I think between the two of us one of us definitely has the mental capacity of a child :D
Also of course I have height jealousy, why do you think I'm going for CLL and on this forum in the first place? I think it's you that needs a bow tie brah, maybe it'll make you look smarter.
Disregarding far away places doesn't make you ignorant, those places that you talk about probably don't think about us either. Hey are there any mexicans here? no? my point exactly.
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Six feet to crazy hospital not bone hospital plez..asyl right place you go ::)
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Six feet to crazy hospital not bone hospital plez..asyl right place you go ::)
Hahaha, very funny bro!