Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: lumiere on April 27, 2015, 04:14:27 PM
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Hey guys,
this is just to share my LL experience with dott. M. Catagni (Lecco, Italy). Below some information:
Initial height: 163.5cm
Date of operation: 5th March 2015
Start lenghening at 20th March
Lengthening ratio: 0.75mm/day (I have one ostheotomy in my tibiae and one in my fibulae)
Target lengthening: minimum 6cm, max 7.5 cm
I'm now at 29mm.
Lumiere
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hi lumiere, you are the first diary of dr Catagni , thank you for share your experience with us , hope everything goes well in your journey :)
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What lengthening device are you using?
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Ups.. sorry I can see you are using external. Good luck.
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If you have any question just ask :)
Lumiere
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price for surgery in italy ????
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Awesome to have an account from Dr Catagni. I've always been very interested in this doctor. How would you describe him? Is he attentive to your needs and easily reachable if you have a problem?
How are you managing pain so far?
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Unhappy: I spent 20k euros for the surgery and three days in hospital
KiloKhan: He's really professional, you can read his cv, he's basically one of the world most experienced doctor with Ilizarov fixation. He's pretty busy quite everytime, I have face to face meeting scheduled every month, and for general question we use email. I have no pain at all, but maybe I'm just lucky and I have an high pain tollerance... Or maybe it's because his know-how with ilizarov fixation.
Lumiere
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Ilizarov fixation at 20k is expensive
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Yes it is, compared to other doctors prices...
Lumiere
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Yeah, expensive... and I don't know if it's worth it. Italy for surgery? I'm not sure... Mediterranean countries are good for living but not for surgeries.
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Yeah, expensive... and I don't know if it's worth it. Italy for surgery? I'm not sure... Mediterranean countries are good for living but not for surgeries.
Based on... the position of the moon that you're orbiting around?
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guichet does his surgeries in italy...
and france is also a mediterranean nation.. italians are some of the most intelligent people in the world.
heightangel has a bizarre obsession with certain european nations
catagni is one of the best
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Dott. M. Catagni is one of the most experienced doctor in the world with external fixation! He basically teached this method to a lot of asian doctors and also to dott. Paley (check it in dott. Paley website :) )
Here his CV if you are interested: http://www.gvmnet.it/uploads/b4/a4/b4a40da51ffb0f088047e2117ea31c38/catagni.pdf
Going through my experience, I can tell you that Limbs Lenghtening for cosmetical reasons is very challenging and requires a big effort, for the one who decide to undergo through it and for his family/friends, because during the treatment you will be heavily dependent to others. I am very happy that I found funds and working conditions that permit me to go with that, but I would say that for me the height has been a very big deal, and I would recomend it only to people who REALLY is in pain with their height and to who tried to solve his psycological problem with the help of friends, his family and also a prycologist (as I did).
I'm very happy right now in prospective, but I can't wait to get my frames off and come back to my life.
Here is a picture of my legs at +32mm:
(http://s11.postimg.org/foht7mdfn/ilizarov_2015_05_01.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
and this is an x-ray at +18mm (about 40 days post op and 30 days after the beginning of lengthening):
(http://s27.postimg.org/qiirjuob7/XRay.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
Lumiere
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Here
http://www.bjj.boneandjoint.org.uk/content/87-B/10/1402.long
you can find a very interesting study from Catagni and his team. It is of a few years ago but it's very interesting in my opinion
Lumiere
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Nice frames! Designed by Pininfarina? 8)
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why does he use 4 rings??? and the bolts going into the legs look quite large
are the scars going to be worse than usual?
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Ahah, nice G-Man :)
crimsontide: Ilizarov fixation of Catagni is an hybrid technique, he uses 3 different types of wire: the "big" one you noticed from the pictures enters into the bone, pass it but don't go through the whole leg (as you can see from the X-Ray), then there are two types of "small" wires, one is a little bigger than the other and his purpose is to mantein the fibula in place, the last one is a wire pulled in tension and that pass through the whole leg. I have no idea of why Catagni developed this technique, probably it's more stable? No idea, I should ask for it... About scars, Catagni assures me that they will be minimal.
Lumiere
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1) Is it possible to stay longer than three days at the hospital?
2) Did you stay in a hotel after you left the hospital?
3) Did you fly to Milano and then drove by car/train to get to the hospital in Lecco?
4) Did you transfer your payment for the surgery to the hospital's account or to Dr. Catagni's account?
5) Do you send your x-rays to Dr. Catagni per mail and how often do you do that?
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1) Is it possible to stay longer than three days at the hospital?
2) Did you stay in a hotel after you left the hospital?
3) Did you fly to Milano and then drove by car/train to get to the hospital in Lecco?
4) Did you transfer your payment for the surgery to the hospital's account or to Dr. Catagni's account?
5) Do you send your x-rays to Dr. Catagni per mail and how often do you do that?
1) The 20k€ price is for three days in hospital, if you would stay more sure you can, but you have to pay for the extra days
2 and 3) I'm italian, and I live not too far from Lecco, about 2 hours driving, so I went there with my family by car, and now I'm lengthening I'm staying at my family's place
4) I paid with checks: one to Catagni and one to the hospital
5) I have monthly scheduled meetings with Catagni at Lecco, at the Mangioni Hospital, there I have the X-Rays done and after that the consultation, in which he checks my legs and the X-Rays
Lumiere
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Thank Lumiere - Good Luck.
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Hey,
I just had my second consultation with Catagni, everything is going well so far, my bones are a bit disaligned due to the stress because of the bearing but the doctor told me that he will fix it when the lengthening is finished. I'm now at 4.0 cm, Catagni is pushing me to go for 8 cm, but I think I'll be fine with 6.5, 7.0 at maximum.
I have the X-Rays but I'm lazy to upload them right now, maybe next days.
Lumiere
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Good everything is going well. How is your walking?
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I'm able to walk since the third day after surgery, with crutches... I tipically go out for dinner once a week, with a cab, but I can walk around downtown pretty easily...
Lumiere
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Date of operation: 5th March 2015
Start lenghening at 20th March
why did you wait 15 days to start lengthening?
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Date of operation: 5th March 2015
Start lenghening at 20th March
why did you wait 15 days to start lengthening?
Hi KrP1,
I just followed Catagni's instructions, I don't really know why...
Lumiere
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I'm at +45mm today and my legs are really sore... I read somewhere that tipically pain start at 50mm, I'm there... If pain doens't go away, I think I could ask Catagni to reduce the lengthening ratio from .75/day to .50/day...
Question: any of you who lengthened had problem trying to sleep at night? How did you manage it?
Lumiere
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Question: any of you who lengthened had problem trying to sleep at night? How did you manage it?
Clonazepam and trazodone.
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Hey folks,
this is me standing at +48 mm.
(http://s17.postimg.org/k8g6ynq3f/IMG_1595_LL Forum.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/k8g6ynq3f/)
Ciao,
Lumiere
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Congrats bro
I live in Italy. Would you recommend this doctor then?
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Congrats bro
I live in Italy. Would you recommend this doctor then?
Yes I would, the surgery it's a little bit expensive but I'm happy with my choice up to now..
What do you guys think about my proportions? I think I could go with 2 cm more, going to about 7...
Lumiere
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Legs are fine but your face is a bit yellow.
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Yes I would, the surgery it's a little bit expensive but I'm happy with my choice up to now..
What do you guys think about my proportions? I think I could go with 2 cm more, going to about 7...
Lumiere
Does dr catagni perform Latn?
And what about your opinion for time frame if i did 5cm external or latn with this doctor?
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I think your proportions look fine. Just be aware if you do more cm you'll have very long tibia for a man your height. How long were your tibia and femur before surgery?
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I think your proportions look fine. Just be aware if you do more cm you'll have very long tibia for a man your height. How long were your tibia and femur before surgery?
He STRONGLY prefer Ilizarov, this means that he will push you on doing Ilizarov... But he also lenghen tibiae with ISKD and an hybrid method, in which you have an internal rod and an esternal axial lengthening frame, that is removed after the lengthening, so during the consilodation there is just the internal rod (don't know the name of this technique). Btw, if you ask him via email, he will send you a pdf document with all the information you need.
Lumiere
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do you know your tibia and femur length before surgery?
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I have no idea, I didn't measure them..
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I have no idea, I didn't measure them..
It is very easy.
Now you just measure current tibias length by x ray then minus number that you have lengthened.
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36ish cm pre-op
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36ish cm pre-op
lumiere, im 165 with 36,5cm tibia, and 43 femur, could you measure your femur too?
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I have no X-Rays of my femours, I'm sorry...
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Lumiere , how many months do you expect to be with the frames?
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I think I'll be done with lengthening in 30 days from now... After that, I think the consolidation period could be of maybe 4 or 5 months... I hope 4! In the case of 4 months for consolidation, the total time in frames would be kind of 8 months...
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Hey guys!
I'm pretty fine, finished lengthening two days ago, I reached +65 mm and I'm satisfied with my new height. I hope to not regret to have not reached 70 mm or more, but now I think my proportions are not too weird and that 5/10 mm more would not change too much.
I have my consultation with Catagni next Monday, I'll keep you informed.
Lumiere.
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I think 6.5 on tibs is plenty, if you really want more you can always go for femurs!
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Did you need the achilles lengthening or no? I hear Catagni likes to do it.
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He pushed me to book for the surgery, but I didn't, and now I have a little ballerina foot but I hope it will improve with movement...
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How does your proportions look now?
Does catagni corrected your missalignament?
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Hey KrP1,
I noticed your PMs, but I'm pretty busy at work so I feel like is better to write here instead of via PMs...
I think my proportions are fine! Catagni is going to correct my missalignament on monday, I'll keep you informed.
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Buona Sera e Buona Fortuna You have more patience than me. 12 years ago I had Ilizarov in Australia for correction of bowing and four months was all I could take with these big external fixators. Wish I had the patience to finish LL with Ilizarov all those years ago but now looking for monorail with Mitkovic.
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My ballerina foot are completely gone away, now, after 7 days I didn't lengthened more, I can easily stand barefoot with my foot completely touching the ground. I'm thinking about try to do one centimeter more, but I'm not so sure of that... Tomorroy I'm going to have my consultation, I'll ask if it could be good to do some cyclette at home and what he thinks about doing one centimeter more...
See ya!
Lumiere
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How is all going?
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Sorry for the absence.
I had my consultation and Catagni modifies the Ilizarov frames in order to correct the disalignment. Now I'm correcting the deformity, I'm close to the end, this is a picture of my left Ilizarov frame with the new mechanical joint:
(http://s16.postimg.org/dqg3q1qd1/wp_20150630_16_44_32_pro.jpg)[/url]
As you can see, rings are not parallel right now, this is because of the correction.
I'm pretty fine and Catagni told me I'll be frames free in september or october.
If you have any question just ask!
See ya,
Lumiere
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how many cm have you done finally lumiere?
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6.5, but I think they are 5.5 of real height... I'm now about 169 cm tall.
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Clip of me walking soon on this spot!
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Hey guys,
I'm feeling pretty good, I can now walk also without crutches, but I don't wanna do it because I think it could be too soon... Tomorrow I've my consultation with Catagni... I'm too lazy to record and upload a clip, sorry guys :)
Lumiere
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Hello, I am interested too in doing external tibiae with catagni since I live in Italy .. How is. Your recovery doing? When does he remove the frames?
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Hey guys,
this is just to share my LL experience with dott. M. Catagni (Lecco, Italy). Below some information:
Initial height: 163.5cm
Date of operation: 5th March 2015
Start lenghening at 20th March
Lengthening ratio: 0.75mm/day (I have one ostheotomy in my tibiae and one in my fibulae)
Target lengthening: minimum 6cm, max 7.5 cm
I'm now at 29mm.
Lumiere
Hello sir, any updates?
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Hey guys,
I could say I'm okay, I'm having my first walkings without cruches, and I tipically use just one cruch... On 5th August I'm having a consultation with Catagni, I think I'll have my frames off at the end of September, it's so close and I really can't wait for it.
Lumiere
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congratulations veo. you are im good hands. 8)
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Does Catagni have any opinion or judgement on proportion and ratio with tibiae?
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your bone will 90% bend if frames are taken off in sept
you basically had your surgery at the beginning of may and will lengthen 7 cm...
and youre saying frames come off in sept.... you will have issues most likely
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Hi guys,
yesterday I had my consultation, and Catagni told me that my frames will be probably removed at the end of October, one month later than his expectations. I'm now doing more distraction in order to put the bones really in line, and I'll probably gain one centimeter more. Next consultation: 17 August.
Crimsontide: Catagni told me that my regeneration is really good, this is the reason why I'll be probably remove the frames earlier than usual.
If you guys are considering the lengthening of tibiae, I really suggest you to go with Catagni, my legs are really fine and everything went in the best way.
Polycrates: I don't know if I get what your question means, but Catagni don't perform femours lengthening because he thinks that tibiae lengthening gave as result better proportions.
Lumiere
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Oh one more thing: on next consultation Catagni is going to remove some of the screws, this is probably done in order to put more weight on my callus.
Lumiere
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Hi guys,
yesterday I had my consultation, and Catagni told me that my frames will be probably removed at the end of October, one month later than his expectations. I'm now doing more distraction in order to put the bones really in line, and I'll probably gain one centimeter more. Next consultation: 17 August.
Crimsontide: Catagni told me that my regeneration is really good, this is the reason why I'll be probably remove the frames earlier than usual.
If you guys are considering the lengthening of tibiae, I really suggest you to go with Catagni, my legs are really fine and everything went in the best way.
Polycrates: I don't know if I get what your question means, but Catagni don't perform femours lengthening because he thinks that tibiae lengthening gave as result better proportions.
Lumiere
When you say put the bones in line do you mean like you have bow legs?
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I mean that segments, after the distraction, are not perfectly aligned... My legs were not bowed before surgery fortunally, but after the distraction, segments are not in axis. I'm now moving day by day the lower segment, in order to correct that (minimum) dilasignment.
Lumiere
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This is me standing at about +7 cm (measured from X-Rays). What do you guys think?
(http://s13.postimg.org/o4jdipfxj/IMG_1650.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
Lumiere
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I can't detect anything abnormal from the picture, you look totally fine (minus having frames on your legs :D).
Just surprised that you're allowed the frames off so early with externals. Your bone consolidation must be incredibly speedy.
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You look excellent now, but I would NOT lengthen any more or your proportions will go downhill fast. But you do look great now. Congratulations.
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you look perfect, if i were you i would stop now, 7cm is a really good amount and you look very well
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i can see ballerina foot in your left leg , arent you going to do achiles lengthening?
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Thank you guys, I also think I'm fine right now! I'm probably gaining 1 cm more because of the correction I'm performing, probably less, 0.5 cm... I can't escape from gaining it, this is what Catagni told me...
KrP1: I have no ballerina foot at all, probably the picture is misleading, I can stand barefoot with no problems at all, I can also stretch my calves, I can say I've been really lucky with my lengthening experience...
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Looks awesome man!
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Due to the alignement correction performed lengthening, I have gain more cms... This morning I measured myself 171 cm, my starting height was 163.5, so I have gained 7.5 cm... The correction that Catagni told me to do is 1 cm, I'm stopping this night at 0.7 cm, because I see my bones straight and because I don't want gain more length, in order to preserve my proportions. Consultation: if the doc will be available, next monday.
Lumiere
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Question to who have lengthened their tibiae: I'm now seeing my tibiae a bit long compared to my femours, and I have basically lost all of my muscle mass in my upper legs (femours). I'd like to know if, when I'll gain muscle mass on my femours, my proportions will become better or not.
Thanks
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It depends on how much you've lengthened your tibias with.
Remember: it is extremely difficult to gain back your muscle mass on your legs.
It's been two years for me and mine are still not back.
You will have aches that prevents you and you can't run the way you're used to.
Life was actually better before I did my tibias. I was so much more back then. Now I'm just tall - edit: average....
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Just had my consultation, my legs are perfectly straight, I'm such happy of that, and Catagni confirmed me that in october I'll be frames-free... Can't wait to have my life 100% back.
Catagni performed a master surgery on me, I think also my proportions are pretty good, I really can't wait... Such happy.
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Just watched Gattaca, it looked like a Catagani's job with black frames and all! ;)
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Just watched Gattaca, it looked like a Catagani's job with black frames and all! ;)
LOL funny
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Tomorrow I'm having one of my last consultation with dr. Catagni, I'll keep you informed! I'm so close to the end that I can't believe it...
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Hi,
this morning I had the final consultation before the frames removal, that is going to be during the first week of the next month (November). From the x-rays, the total lengthening have been of 8 cm, I hope my proportions will be fine. My final height is 171 cm.
Lumiere
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Awesome! Congratulations!
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Hi,
this morning I had the final consultation before the frames removal, that is going to be during the first week of the next month (November). From the x-rays, the total lengthening have been of 8 cm, I hope my proportions will be fine. My final height is 171 cm.
Lumiere
In your opinion
How is timeframe for do 5 cm if i did with Catagni?
My stating height is 177.5
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In your opinion
How is timeframe for do 5 cm if i did with Catagni?
My stating height is 177.5
I think it's the same, so about 8 months!
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BTW, you are tall enough to stop thinking about this painful and time consuming procedure :)
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Dr. Catagni seems really good for LON or externals. Do you know if he has used internal femurs before? Do you think you are done with lengthening or do you want to also do femurs later?
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Dr. Catagni seems really good for LON or externals. Do you know if he has used internal femurs before? Do you think you are done with lengthening or do you want to also do femurs later?
Hi Sean,
I know that Catagni performs, for cosmetic reasons, ONLY surgeries on tibiae. The reason is that he thinks that surgeries on femurs produce, in general, an anaesthetic result.
I am absolutely sure that I'm not going to consider another surgery, I'm fine with my height right now and I'm going to think to other most important things from now.
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Hey Lumiere is it possible to post a picture a similar shot to the one you already did without shorts covering your knees?
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Hey Lumiere is it possible to post a picture a similar shot to the one you already did without shorts covering your knees?
Here we are, sorry for the low quality but it's pretty much a good pic to evaluate the final result:
(http://s15.postimg.org/fvc3hvqzf/Legs.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
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I have lost A LOT of muscle mass on my legs, but now that I'm walking without cruches I'm quickly gaining it back again.
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Your proportions look really good. Congrats!
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Thank you, I think the same but I'm waiting to wear regular trousers in order to have the final thought :)
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Your proportions look great. And your legs look deprived of all fat and muscle, you aren't kidding about the muscle mass loss. Is this a common occurrence?
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Your proportions look great. And your legs look deprived of all fat and muscle, you aren't kidding about the muscle mass loss. Is this a common occurrence?
It is a common occurrence, the same that happens if don't bear the whole of your body weight for a long time, and that happens if you use cruches..
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Better picture:
(http://s30.postimg.org/4enftctch/legs2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
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Proportion thought: I would like to suggest you guys, in general, for tibial lengthening, a maximum amount of something like 6 cm. That's an average amount, because it is obiouvsly dependant from starting height, but, in my opinion and based on my actual proportions, for a guy with a starting height that is from 160 to 170, it would be close to to the "right" one.
I have done 8 cm, and honestly I'm happy with that as long as it will be acceptable wearing regoular clothes (and I'm still waiting to check it up), but I would be clearly more proportioned with a couple of centimeters less.
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Do you know your tibia:femur bone length ratio now?
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Hi Lumiere by looking at you tibia and your femur it not 8cm that you have lenthened , its approximatley 4xmax 5cm on you tibia have been lenthened you have to get a ct scan to check the acuratley how much you really lenthen as most LL surgens lie about how much people lenthened
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Hi Lumiere yes definitely not8cm there I've done 8cm year ago and my tibia looked way longer then yours my proportion was average , as Dr Gregg said its better if you check with Ct scan , as when i thought i did 8cm and went to the my doc for check up and we did ct s an and. Came up 4.6cm
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I measured the gap between bone segments from an 1:1 xray, and it is 8 cm. It is also confirmed by my "new" height, that is 7.5 cm more than it was before. Probably my proportions were not optimal before the surgery... This is a picture of me taken before the surgery (when my legs were MUCH stronger :) ):
(http://s14.postimg.org/ynsoxyr4x/pre_surgery.jpg)[/url]
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Hi Lumiere yes definitely not8cm there I've done 8cm year ago and my tibia looked way longer then yours my proportion was average , as Dr Gregg said its better if you check with Ct scan , as when i thought i did 8cm and went to the my doc for check up and we did ct s an and. Came up 4.6cm
Could you please post here a picture of your legs?
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Yes you had very muscular legs but honestly its not even 7cm there xrays are not accurate for cheching bone length you need to check with ct scan
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Did the stress of the procedure cause you to lose your chest hair?
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Yes you had very muscular legs but honestly its not even 7cm there xrays are not accurate for cheching bone length you need to check with ct scan
X-Ray direct measurament is probably not accurate, I agree, but I've double checked measuring my final height... So I can't be wrong! :)
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All doctors use X-rays to evaluate lengthening. Even Dr. Guichet and Dr. Paltry use X-ray and are fully honest.
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Did the stress of the procedure cause you to lose your chest hair?
Ahah
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All doctors use X-rays to evaluate lengthening. Even Dr. Guichet and Dr. Paley use X-ray and are fully honest.
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If you sure its 8cm then its great my friend how many month passed since your surgery and in many month would you take them off , and here is my Xray
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I am sorry i cannot attach pictures here for some reason leave me ur email i will send it to you or your phone
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Put it on Tinypic or Imgur then simply link it here
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How do you guys attach the pictures here as i am trying to attach my patients pictures before after
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You must first upload images to imgur.com then pass the URL for those images here.
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Lumiere can you walk now normally without aid and how long its passed since you stopped lengthening i could walk with no aid like normal person after 2.5month after I've stopped my lengthening
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By looking at your last picture, do you also have a scoliosis on your spine
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I can walk with no aid from about 6/7 months post surgery
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How many month its been since your surgery
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18 days pre frames remotion!
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Hey Lumiere
Your diary is one of the best in the all forum!
7.5 cm in just 10 months, no ballerina foot and no other complications at all.
It looks like everything went so smoothly.
You diary is enlightening for me!
Very inspiring, I would definitely have my LL in Italy with Catagni after seeing this.
Keep posting, I want as many info as possible and want to see the very final result.
Please do not despair after removal.
Congrats
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Hey Please, I'll surely continue posting after frames remotion, just to keep you guys informed about my recovery process. Yesterday I took a picture of myself and, probably because of the angle, I'm really impressed about how my proportions look fine. The only thing is that my arms look a bit short, but that will be not a problem at all. I'm also gaining muscolar mass day by day, just walking and having some kind of squatt at home.
Here the picture:
(http://s24.postimg.org/akdejmdqd/legs_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
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Good proportions mate, I'm happy for you.
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Lumiere might I ask what your inseam is? You do have generally great proportions for your build; I wouldn't recommend lengthening anymore however. But still great job!
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lumiere, congratulations. Your proportions are really good.
I wanted to know, how did you manage a ballerina problem? I have got this problem in august, and it is still continuing ((( though I walk more, and do many streching exercises. Now a little better than it was in august, but this problem disturbing me a lot.
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lumiere, congratulations. Your proportions are really good.
I wanted to know, how did you manage a ballerina problem? I have got this problem in august, and it is still continuing ((( though I walk more, and do many streching exercises. Now a little better than it was in august, but this problem disturbing me a lot.
Hi NB,
Thank you for your comment about my props :)
Ho many centimeters did you lengthen, with which method, and when did you finish the lenghening process? In my case, I had a little ballerina foot when I was close to the end of the lengthening process, but it has been becomed better day by day until I stop lengthening.
My only exercises has been walking as much as possible, standing on the wall with straight legs, etc..
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You are welcome, I just told the truth ))
My lengthen is 6.8 cm. I did with Ilizarov method, in Baku. My surgery was on 5 May, 2015 and I stopped lengthen on 19 September, 0,5 mm per day. My ballerina began during my lengthen process and still continuing. at the beginning was about 6-7 cm, now about 3-4. When I walk a lot, my heels touch the ground, but I got an infection, that is why, I cant walk a lot.
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Cure your infection, it would be useful if you are not walking in this period to keep the foot in place with a rubber band (day and night).
After that, simply walk as much as you can, stand on a wall until you get your feet touching the ground, and things will improve day by day. If that doesn't happens, after a couple of months, you may consider the Achille tendons surgery.
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Thanks for your advice. I hope I won't need to do surgery for it. After my surgery I am afraid of any pain (
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Hi everybody,
tomorrow is the great day, I should have my frames off. Hope everything is going well!
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Hi lumiere,
happy to read tomorrow is your great day. Please, post your pics when you will have your frames off.
Touch wood, everything's gonna be ok
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Congrats on your LL journey! I hope you will stick around to give us recovery updates on the long term!
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Hi,
i had my frames off. I'm now wearing casts similar to soccer shin guards, and I have to wear those casts for a couple of months. The first two weeks using cruches too, no cruches and just casts from the third week. I'm really scared of walking without ilizarov, because I saw my x-rays and the new bone in the gap is not as "white" as the other bone.
My tibiae look pretty long, but the effect is not that bad, I look kind of slender. I measured myself this morning, I am 172 tall, so I would say that I am 171/172.
I am satisfied of the result. I will post some picture in a couple of day.
Keep in touch,
Lumiere
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Hi.
Congrats lumiere ) I'm glad to hear that you're satisfied of the result. It is the main thing.
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Hey lumiere,
how are your legs? Can you walk with crutches?
You are very lucky, no complication during your adventure. Does the total cost cover unexpected surgeries?
Hope you are fine, my friend :)
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Hi Oniria!
Everything is going well, I have no pain at all and I can walk pretty normally, with crutches just to not overload my "new" legs.
I'm not posting a picture because I'm waiting to be allowed to stand without protection casts, but I will do it soon.
I think that, if complications would occour, surgeries would be payed by italian public healt service, but I'm not sure of that because I fortunally didn't have that need.
I'll keep you informed once I have relevant news :)
Lumiere
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Hi,
as I promise, this is a picture of me without the casts I'm wearing:
(http://s16.postimg.org/u3es7jyk1/Immagine.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/u3es7jyk1/)
I have my last consultation in the middle of december, after that I think I'll be allowed to walk without casts.
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You look great ;)
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Lumiere,
I started my journey same time you have yours and I have not yet taken my frame off. I did 8cm, I have little bit of umbrella I can walk without assistance and it has been 9 months. I will start a diary soon. I was hoping that you can post your X ray Before you took your frame off so I can compare my xray before I take mine off.
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My xray took at 7.5 months. Next xray will be at 9.5 months.
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photo of scars?
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Hi guys, I'm sorry if I have been out of board for such a long time... I'm alive!
I am 170, more or less... so I have gained 6.5 cm... I will be able to run soon, I'm just waiting for a reasonable weather...
I'm not feeling tall at all honestly, my life hasn't changed that much honestly, but I would say that is better than before.
Scars are okay, they are fading slowing but fading... Disproportion is not noticeable at all, if I could go back, I would do 2 cms more, I think I'm really proportioned right now.
Seeya :)
Lumiere
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Hi guys, I'm sorry if I have been out of board for such a long time... I'm alive!
I am 170, more or less... so I have gained 6.5 cm... I will be able to run soon, I'm just waiting for a reasonable weather...
I'm not feeling tall at all honestly, my life hasn't changed that much honestly, but I would say that is better than before.
Scars are okay, they are fading slowing but fading... Disproportion is not noticeable at all, if I could go back, I would do 2 cms more, I think I'm really proportioned right now.
Seeya :)
Lumiere
OMG WAITED SO MUCH FOR THIS!!!!
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Prima hai scritto che eri 171-172. Hai perso altezza durante la fase senza i fissatori esterni?
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Yeah I think if I do tibs, I'm going with Catagni. I've been speaking with him and really like him so far. And his credentials speak for themselves.
I know he also does Precice for tibias too. That still scares me a bit, but I can't be in frames for months and months. I might just take a gamble, but first need to speak with a few of his patients that have done internal tibias.
Just need 3cm more...5'9"+ at night and I'll be happy.
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Yeah I think if I do tibs, I'm going with Catagni. I've been speaking with him and really like him so far. And his credentials speak for themselves.
I know he also does Precice for tibias too. That still scares me a bit, but I can't be in frames for months and months. I might just take a gamble, but first need to speak with a few of his patients that have done internal tibias.
Just need 3cm more...5'9"+ at night and I'll be happy.
How many patients did he do internal tibias for cosmetic reasons?
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Hi guys, I'm sorry if I have been out of board for such a long time... I'm alive!
I am 170, more or less... so I have gained 6.5 cm... I will be able to run soon, I'm just waiting for a reasonable weather...
I'm not feeling tall at all honestly, my life hasn't changed that much honestly, but I would say that is better than before.
Scars are okay, they are fading slowing but fading... Disproportion is not noticeable at all, if I could go back, I would do 2 cms more, I think I'm really proportioned right now.
Seeya :)
Lumiere
Thank you for taking the time to write this update, it means the world to many of us specially after all the negativity that has been flowing around lately
I hope you get to enjoy your new height over the summer and come back to share your experiences with us......
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I am 171/172 in the morning, but after the whole day walking around I'm definitely 170.0... Not tall, but better then before!
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I am 171/172 in the morning, but after the whole day walking around I'm definitely 170.0... Not tall, but better then before!
And how is your walking/athletic abilites? Are you still recovering or you can say that you got back to normality?
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Walking is not a problem, only from time to time i get tired during longs and fast walkings...
I can run doing stars up and down, I can stretch and touch my feet, I still havnt tried regular runnings, but I whink I can do it, I will probably just be tired after something like 100 meters.. For that, Im just waiting to a better weather. I have tried swimming, no problems at all. I would say that I am still recovering, but I am in an acceptable state right now, and things can go to be only better from day to day.
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How about alignment?
Are there any misalignment or discrepency?
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Congrats man!
You look very good.I would be very satisfied if i look like you after LL(very proportional imo)And you did a big amount.in some post you said your arms look a bit short.No they dont,you look good trust me.What is your wingspan?
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Hi,
as I promise, this is a picture of me without the casts I'm wearing:
(http://s16.postimg.org/u3es7jyk1/Immagine.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/u3es7jyk1/)
I have my last consultation in the middle of december, after that I think I'll be allowed to walk without casts.
Honestly, i would have never guessed that you did this operation.
Your proportions look perfectly fine..
Great diary, thanks for that...
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Hello Lumiere,
How's your running now? What makes you run slower or tired quickly? Do you think you'll be able to do long distance running in the future?
I wonder what it really is that stops people from getting back to their athletic abilities. Extended muscles that never adapt?
Cheers
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Hello Lumiere,
How's your running now? What makes you run slower or tired quickly? Do you think you'll be able to do long distance running in the future?
I wonder what it really is that stops people from getting back to their athletic abilities. Extended muscles that never adapt?
Cheers
Poor ankle mobility is what stops it
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Walking is not a problem, only from time to time i get tired during longs and fast walkings...
I can run doing stars up and down, I can stretch and touch my feet, I still havnt tried regular runnings, but I whink I can do it, I will probably just be tired after something like 100 meters.. For that, Im just waiting to a better weather. I have tried swimming, no problems at all. I would say that I am still recovering, but I am in an acceptable state right now, and things can go to be only better from day to day.
a long time has passed now. Can we have some news? I really hope you are doing fine
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Lumiere hello. Question: Did you lengthen 8 cm and then lose 1.5 cm to end at 6.5?
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8cm on tibias (on a low starting height) without ATL or ballerina foot.
Of course there's a lot of luck involved, but this is why you go to a good doctor.
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My bad, it's only ~8cm during his morning height. Still, impressive.
Initial height: 163.5cm
I am 171/172 in the morning, but after the whole day walking around I'm definitely 170.0... Not tall, but better then before!
I am 170, more or less... so I have gained 6.5 cm... I will be able to run soon, I'm just waiting for a reasonable weather...
Lumiere hello. Question: Did you lengthen 8 cm and then lose 1.5 cm to end at 6.5?
Probably the morning and night height difference.
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May I know how the amount for the LL procedure?
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May I know how the amount for the LL procedure?
20k € the surgery alone
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Alle 14:30 quanto sei alto?
8 cm reali non li guadagna nessuno soprattutto senza atl,
Altrimenti adesso avresti continui strappi muscolari e quant'altro. Dicono tutti 8 cm alcuni pure 9 ma in realta non si superano i 7 solo sulle tibie.
Spero comunque che tu stia bene a due anni dall'intervento
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did he do external only?
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Hi, Lumiere, how are you doing. Did Dr Catagni performed achilles tendom lengthening on you?