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Title: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on July 21, 2015, 04:44:48 AM
Hello every one I have decided to start a new diary with my experience to have LL in Russia with Dr.Bagirov. I have just arrived yesterday and was picked up by the clinics driver and he was very nice. Once I got to the clinic every one were friendly smiling and the Internet connection is very good. The room I'm staying in is a two beds room but I think I will be staying alone so I have plenty of space here. The food here is three meals a day delivered to your room.

My current height is 164 my goal is 171 Cm..

The doctor told me 5Cm is Ok but 7cm is painful and need about 4-5 months to remove the frame. After removing the frames there will be something left in by bones(I don't know what they call it) for 2-3 years and come back for removal.

The price 8249 Euro for me inluding
-15 days stay
-Surgery
-Removalof device (3 operations)
-Physical therapy 5 days
-Analyzes

consultation with Dr.Bagirov 22nd
My surgery 23th 

Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: microman on July 21, 2015, 04:59:07 AM
great news, bagirov was on my list but sadly the aftercare was in question so i didn't bother.

pease let ur know how it goes.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on July 21, 2015, 05:08:33 AM
Yes , we will see about the aftercare maybe it has changed, I don't know. But I will be updating. This morning I just had some test they took plenty of blood. Later today I will be taken to another place fore some analysis.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: microman on July 21, 2015, 05:22:23 AM
what about accomodation,, how much and where you stay.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on July 21, 2015, 05:51:06 AM
I'm staying in the clinic for 15 days after I will fly back to my country. Price for fifteen days is 1130 Euro, it's expensive because it includes surgical treatment and rehabilitations for 15 days too.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: goodlucktomylegs on July 21, 2015, 06:31:29 AM
I'm staying in the clinic for 15 days after I will fly back to my country. Price for fifteen days is 1130 Euro, it's expensive because it includes surgical treatment and rehabilitations for 15 days too.
Why not u stay there untill everything is finish?I think it is better than you stay at home.Once when something has happened doctors can get u immediately.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: microman on July 21, 2015, 07:37:38 AM
going home for distraction is the wrong move man.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: TrueSpartan on July 21, 2015, 08:54:50 AM
lots of patients experience pin break or some type of minor problem during lengthening externals . don't fly back .
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: microman on July 21, 2015, 09:16:53 AM
honestly if bagirov lets patients fly back for distraction I would see that as a big red flag and not do the operation with him.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on July 21, 2015, 09:28:07 AM
Ok, I understand that I need to be here near the clinic during my lengthening. First I need to find a place to stay. I can't do it now I need to fly back to my country first to have Visa for 4-5 month stay. Now I can only stay for 30 days without Visa. Thanks for all the warnings.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on July 21, 2015, 09:31:30 AM
If I don't stay here in Russia, I can still fly to moscow when I want without Visa. But if that's not a good idea I will stay near clinic during my lengthening.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on July 25, 2015, 04:36:14 AM
I had the surgery on the 23rd of July in the morning.I was not allowed to get up on that day so the doctors gave me some injections for sleep. During the operation I didn't feel anything.
July the 24th I could walk with no problem at all with crutches.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on July 25, 2015, 04:41:49 AM
Today 25th July waking up a little dizzy but my legs aren't at pain at all , I could bend them with no problem. Just now I just need to do some exercise and walking . Can't start lengthening until Thursday 30th. At night I could sleep well.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on July 27, 2015, 07:58:12 AM
Finally it's Monday ! Be in mind that there will be no doctors at all on the weekends . On the weekends was the time that i dod exercises on my own walking in crutches alone(there were nurses 24hours) but they don't understand English to contact doctors is by phone. But now it's monday .Now I have started to take long walks with walkers or whatever they call it (the two sticks) . I tried to walk without crutchers but could only walk 4 steps and it was painful, I'm only 7 days post op from the operation so I will stick with the crutchers . Maybe tomorrow I will start to lengthen.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on July 27, 2015, 08:00:11 AM
Now I don't feel dizzy anymore after walking and my legs are fine ,no problems at all.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: microman on July 27, 2015, 08:34:53 AM
erm, where are you going to stay again?
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on July 27, 2015, 08:57:02 AM
I think I will stay at my home , and will fly back to Russia if something goes wrong.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on July 30, 2015, 07:57:09 AM
Had some yellow bruises in my left leg . It hurts a bit when pressing on it or walking. So the doctors took me for an ultrasound . They said no nerve damage . My Right leg have a little infection because the screw was very near my legs it is too close. I hope that it will be better soon :'( Did anyone had some yellow bruises on the leg muscles?
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on July 31, 2015, 05:07:49 AM
Started lengthening yesterday(30th) I started with 1mm. It was the doctors recommendation. There is a program that they gave me to follow.

There are three screws on each of the leg .Turn a quarter for each screw for both legs ,that will be six screws that you've turned a quarter. It will be counted as 1. ( one quarter is 0.25mm)
Today I will reach 2.50 mm taller! There is no pain at all, maybe I will feel more pain further in the lengthening program when I reach a few Cm. 

Forgot to say that I don't like the food here .For me it tastes  not good at all but for some people they may like it.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on July 31, 2015, 11:07:13 AM
Ok ,now I feel so much pain on my left leg it was when I turned , my 1.50 mm, It was like a shock in my left leg it couldn't move for 10 seconds.  The pain is bad , now I can't barely walk . I got an injection of pain killer but it still hurts. There's no doctors around too. only nurses until Monday . This is bad .
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: microman on July 31, 2015, 11:42:54 AM
u turned 1.5mm in one day?

yeah i did 1mm a day for first 3 days, now due to pain i am down to 0.66m now and likely until the end of lengthening.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on July 31, 2015, 04:05:21 PM
yup, only for today. Then 1mm for a week then 0.75 /0.50 / 0.75 on and on until I reach my goal.

Oh yeah about the pain that I went through today doctor said it's normal because we are lengthening it . And it was about some tissue that the bone was trying to heal i can't remember. But tje pain is mostly over . From that time I have lengthened 0.50 mm without pain and problem.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on July 31, 2015, 04:21:23 PM
About the care.

During my time at the clinic I am satisfied with the service , the nurses and doctors are caring and smiles a lot. Every morning there is a doctor that comes in too ask if I'm ok asking question, he can answer all and he know what he's talking. And during the whole day there will be doctors coming in too see if I'm are ok. Helping me with crutchers, walker, learning me to walk giving help.

My legs, my legs are fine the device is very strong . light weighted and small. .Full ring at the feets , 2 half ring below the knee.

I will be going home during my lengthening .I can call Dr.Bagirov by skype If I have any problem. But seems that he doesnt speak English at all. But I know a guy that also had surgery same time as me and he can contact doctor bagirov for me, he can speak Russian.

Or I can contact Inna by email ,she responds the same day as my e mail is sended. She can speak English and shes much help.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: microman on July 31, 2015, 04:35:44 PM
yeah 1.5mm a day is far too much.

i am planning on 5cm, if i do 0.66 a day, would that be 76 days to finish, so in total 7 weeks of lengthening, would you agree with this?

id love to be done sooner and quicker with 5cm,maybe you will do more, we will see what happens as we are both the same height.


also how do you plan to clean pin sites, yourself or local doctors?
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on July 31, 2015, 04:40:53 PM
It's a little weird, long before I wanted the surgery I said to my girlfriend that i wanted to have the lengthening device on my legs and now to this day I really have them on my legs . When I look at them I feel good, I feel good to have them, they are beautiful and it gives me the feeling that I going to be taller. even the doctors say that I maybe need to have them for 15 month. But I must visit Russia every 3-4 month. Ttaveling to Russia is no problem for me because i don't need VISA that many people are struggling to get.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on July 31, 2015, 04:49:44 PM
yeah 1.5mm a day is far too much.

i am planning on 5cm, if i do 0.66 a day, would that be 76 days to finish, so in total 7 weeks of lengthening, would you agree with this?

id love to be done sooner and quicker with 5cm,maybe you will do more, we will see what happens as we are both the same height.


also how do you plan to clean pin sites, yourself or local doctors?

I think 0.66 is good for you because you only do 5 Cm. Forme I will 0.75./ 0.50 swapping each day as I said but I don't know how lomg until I reach 8 Cm maybe 3 months.

Pin cleaning . I will be cleaning them self . The doctors gave me instructions and it is easy .Spray the pins with antiseptic spray . Only change bandage or have bandage if there's blood. But thre's usually no blood coming out of them.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on July 31, 2015, 05:23:36 PM
Update!   There is 2 options for the surgery. I said in the beginning that i would be in frames for 4-5 months and continue to have the pin fixarion in the bones for 2-3 year.

As I want to say is that I choosed the option that must be in frames for 15 month, because of this it will not be a steel rod in my bones. with this option that i have chosen I can correct the shape of my legs too . After  I have lengthened 5-6Cm.

The option with fast device removal with rod fixator in the legs are more traumatic more pain and difficulties to walk (as doctors told me) and I you choose this and you have curved legs there's may be a chance that you ending with more curved bones but there's not any proof of that yet.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: microman on July 31, 2015, 06:13:07 PM
yeah  that is external vs lon likely.

given how long you will be in frames most people say onny do 5cm if doing external, but you can a you wish.

i hope i can get 5cm within 7 weeks, i'd love to get this height problem solved quicker.

i will be cleaning my pin sites myself when i go hoem for consolidation, over here they use some liquid on cloth and rub it around th pin sites.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on July 31, 2015, 06:24:13 PM
So are you finally flying back to you homeland now? and not stay in Serbia?
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: microman on July 31, 2015, 06:39:16 PM
i fly back for consolidation, the mitkoviv device can be removed by yourself by hand, which is one of the bonuses about the device which i liked.

so hopefully i will have only been in serbia for about 12 weeks in total for 5cm.

4 days - arrival, pre op stuff
6 days - operatoin and hospital stay
76 days - lengthening 0.66m/day

i calculated my weeks wrongly in the above posts, should be 11 weeks lengthening for me.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on August 01, 2015, 10:37:44 AM
Now I don't know how to describe the pain in my legs.
But it's like I finished a super marathon without stretching .They   are also weak.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Medium Drink Of Water on August 01, 2015, 01:46:35 PM
Yeah, I'm amazed at how weak the legs feel when you're in those frames.  I'm not sure whether it's caused by really fast atrophy or if you just feel weak because of the weight of the frames.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on August 02, 2015, 03:48:10 AM
My left calve muscle hurts , I thin that's the reason because my right leg is ok.  Have you heard of this?   I have only lengthened 3.5mm
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on August 03, 2015, 04:25:58 PM
I was weak because a had an infection , my body temperature went up to 38 so I needed an antibiotic treatment.I needed postpone my lengthening but today I'm feeling better maybe I can start lengthening again tomorrow. I had to cancel my flight today too :'( and stay here a week longer.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on August 05, 2015, 04:33:13 PM
-  14 days post-op from surgery.

Im better now have gain my strength and no longer any pain. Today the doctorsa said that I have lengthened 7mm . But I think I have done only 5.5mm I don't know there's not much of a difference now.  I'm not taking any pain killers currently but I'm trying to heal a little pin infection, only a little one. So far I'm doing well.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on August 08, 2015, 06:26:03 AM
17 days after surgery.

On the day day time walking and doing exercising with little pain. But on in the night before sleep the pain just suddently comes from nowhere  had to take pain killers to sleep.

I have lengthened almost 1Cm 8.50 , But when i measure my height it hasn't changed is this normal?
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: goodlucktomylegs on August 08, 2015, 03:56:08 PM
It is normal.Just only 1 cm can be measurement error (eg .day spinal shrinkage)
But if you have lengthened for 4 cm but can measure the same ,that is abnormal.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on August 09, 2015, 08:26:25 AM
It is normal.Just only 1 cm can be measurement error (eg .day spinal shrinkage)
But if you have lengthened for 4 cm but can measure the same ,that is abnormal.

Thank you for your answer. ;D
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on August 09, 2015, 08:34:24 AM
18 days after surgery.

The pain begin to happen i thinks it's the lengthening pain its's too much pain I can't sleep without painkillers . There's nothing more than the pain.

 Oh forgot again the food just tastes like pork and salt as ingredients. So I ordered pizza .I need to gain weight Because since I came here I have lost mass and muscle.

Other than that I think it's nothing wrong but I want to know WILL THIS PAIN BE UNTILL I FINISH MY LENGTHENING? If so I must be prepared.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on August 13, 2015, 06:29:50 AM
Had a pin infection again yesterday! I'm bored feeling weak in my right leg where the infections is but with treatment it seems to be better today. I don't know if I should lengthen. I will try to take garlic supplements.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on August 14, 2015, 05:45:32 AM
Forgot to say that I'm already at my homeland , 3 days now . I have problems with sleeping. Pin infection just got better have much more power, no more fever. Will continue with amoxilin for one more day. I think I have lengthened almost 1 and half Cm.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: microman on August 14, 2015, 06:28:04 AM
18 days after surgery.

The pain begin to happen i thinks it's the lengthening pain its's too much pain I can't sleep without painkillers . There's nothing more than the pain.

Other than that I think it's nothing wrong but I want to know WILL THIS PAIN BE UNTILL I FINISH MY LENGTHENING? If so I must be prepared.

for some reason i had a lot of pain in 2nd week of lengthening, but now in 3rd week i am expereincing no pain and i dont take any painkillers.

i have also never had any problems sleeping up until this point about 5 hours sleep on average each day and i don't take any sleeping pills.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on August 14, 2015, 07:37:09 AM
Now the pain from the lengthening is almost gone. But pain from infection when walking that's the real problem. Isn't 5 hours of sleep too little. That's bad for the health.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on August 15, 2015, 01:01:50 PM
Back to normal again and I think I have lengthened 1.6 Cm somehow . Walking is pretty easy, no problems standing up , sitting down. But I wish I was at the clinic now anyways the doctors was so caring and it felt safe. As long as I don't have any problems I think there's no problem staying at home and lengthening. But I know that I have 6.4 Cm to go... But I hope it will be fine . Will update .
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on August 15, 2015, 03:00:32 PM
if anyone know some useful exercises please tell me.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on August 18, 2015, 10:00:25 AM
almost a month now since surgery and it's going fine. Since I came back to my homeland I had always stayed inside in my apartment . I'm doing some exercises and walk 100 meters a day inside my apartments corridor.

Supplements I take now is Zinc, vitamin C, Garlic oil, calcium and vitamin D, Protein shakes. Of course a healthy diet with fresh vegetables and fruits.

 I'm not sure how much I have lengthened I'm not sure if I should get an X-ray or not or its too fast.

Sleeping has improved 7 hours sleep per night with help of 1 tramadol pain killer before sleep.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on September 07, 2015, 01:09:43 AM
a month and 8 days since my surgery Im doing fine everything is going as planned. I have gained about 3 Cm now . Since my discharge I haven't contacted with Dr.Bagirov nor Dr.Fahkri but I have contact with a doctor at the clinic through Skype and his response is very fast . There's also another patient that is lengthening with Dr.Bagirov, I have contact with him and he's also Ok with no complications at 5Cm. Next month I will go to Russia to meet with Dr.Bagirov for leg correction and x-ray.
In a day I just need to walk, doing PT ,exercise play Pc games and chill out, my girlfriend is doing all the chores  ;)
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on September 07, 2015, 01:12:44 AM
And not a single pin infection since I took garlic supplements. Thank you for the recommendation from SWEDEN and everybody that helped me ;D
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Tibiafibula on September 20, 2015, 09:04:52 PM
Hey Samuimw i am 6cm and pain reduced just muscle spasm sleeping abit troubke at the beggining i have another 1cm left ive been to clinic 4 days ago for Fixation which distraction for CT scan dr Fakhri said everything is good carry on lenthening no ballerina yet i would say abit ballerina but as soon as i walk it goes well , my height right now shows 177cm started from 171cm
I really wanna finish my lenthening , cought infection really bad one 80% of the pins were infected due to my pet and now living in russia with my family no pets infection is getting better treating it with livimikol Hlorofilipt dont know how to say it in russia its a green liquid
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on September 27, 2015, 07:04:08 AM
Hello there tibiafibula, the nurses in Russia applied the green liquid on my infection many times and I got better but I don't know what it is called. Me too have a little ballerina but I'm only at 4.8Cm but I am able to walk with crutches , I really hope that I can reach my goal at 8cm. I'm going to Russia in 2 weeks to meet with doctor Bagirov.  reach my goal.  Good luck, you are almost finish with the lengthening, thanks for sharing your story.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on September 27, 2015, 08:47:36 AM
Update-I have been lengthening for two months now I'm at 4.8 Cm by turning between 0.75 and 0.50 mm a day. Last week I got  an infection on the biggest pin on my left leg . The pain was unbelievable it hurt so much I couldn't walk and keep my left straight for a whole week. After it began to be better by applying    antibiotic cream twice a day ,the big pin on the right started to feel like another infection is going to start , so I stopped it with levofloxacin for 4 days and is better now. Can straighten my left leg again. I'm living in a hot country must bear in mind about that. Other than that no problem only a very little ballerina (I think, i don't really know) but my heels is above the ground about 0.50mm when standing up straight but having no problem walking with crutches. Maybe I should choose a walker instead? Going to Russia in two weeks.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on September 28, 2015, 08:20:47 AM
I was mostly alone in my apartment room today trying to do stretching all the day and walking to slow the ballerina. After telling doctor about my early ballerina he told me to stop lengthen my legs for 1 week, not sure why but he said to rest the soft tissues . I'm really scared of pre consolidation of my bones . It was also a big mistake that I used the crutches early , It should be better with walkers , so next time in Russia I will bring back walkers instead and use crutchers when going out.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on October 23, 2015, 06:08:56 PM
Now I'm currently in moscow ,I will tell how my journey went. I flew with a serbirian flight company from my homeland there was no problems got on a wheelchair to the plane. They provided me a seat with extra space when they saw me on wheelchair, took about 6 hours to arrive at Serbiria . The passengers must walk down the stairs from the plane but I got down on an elevated ambulance.The problem begun when I was boarding transfer plane to moscow they said to me there was no ambulance for me and I had to take the stairs it was tiring and slow but it's not hard , I did it by holding on the ladder rail and other hand on my crutchers. Another 6 hours flight that was like torture for my legs.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on October 23, 2015, 06:12:01 PM
19th Oct. Arrived at moscow I was picked up by clinics driver to the clinic. First thing I arrived I asked for 1 pill of tramadol pain killer. On the evening I met Dr.Bagirov and he said that Im almost at the same height as him. Later that evening I got bone correction on my right leg ,nothing serious. Dr.Bagirov also said that there was nothing wrong and I had done a good job. I also asked to change my rods because it was running out.

20th Oct.
Went to a hospital for X-rays and CT scan . I will know the results on 22nd Oct.
 21st Oct. I checked out of the clinic to a very cheap hotel 6400 rubles for 2 nights     .I had to walk 2km searching for the hotel as no one knew where it was .( I was not alone I had my gf with me)  after I found the hotel that night was the worst because of the pain from the 2km walking ,my tramadol painkillers was out too .It was too painful that I had to take a hot shower and stretch my legs.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on October 23, 2015, 06:22:03 PM
22nd Oct.   
Got all my 6 rods changed by Dr.Bagirovs new assistant.  Now the results of my x-rays ... I have reached 6.3Cm on my rods but Dr.Bagirov said that I only got 5.5 on my both legs. So I had to do 2.5 Cm more ,It will take about 2- 3 month because I had to do it slowly and reach my goal of 8Cm. I want to say that now at 5.5 I have very little ballerina and it haven't develop further .I can walk with crutchers easily with no problem.

*I'm still going fine at 5.5 and will continue my lengthening program to reach 8cm (2.5cm to go) my ballerina hasn't developed any further. My both knees* are a little bent. That's the only problem so far. Other than that no problem . Will fly back to my country and fly back to Moscow in another 3 months at that time I would have finished with my lengthening program.
Will update.

The cost when visited the clinic was 14,000. Rubles for a room for 2 persons for two days. Ct scan and x-rays -no cost. because the price that I paid for the operation at the beginning covers up until removal of the frame.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on October 23, 2015, 07:14:36 PM
Oh, about the after care that many people may want to know. I don't know what other people was expecting. but for me ,what I think, I think it's ok. I just realized that Dr.Bagirov does the operation in 2 different clinics here in moscow (other places I don't know) . But I did my surgery at a clinic named orthospine clinic in moscow . The problem is that Dr.Bagirov doesn't speak English and I couldn't just skype and talk to him, but the good thing is that at the clinic there is a doctor that can speak English and is very caring and taking things seriously. I think he's the head doctor of the clinic. I could contact him by skype at any time with fast response , sometimes he will contact Dr.Bagirov , and translate what dr bagirov said . This is what i have been through I don't know how other doctors are , but it's ok for me here.

The respond of the email are fast too. And I think Dr.Bagirov is an ok surgeon ,he knows what he's doing.

please be in mind that this is my satisfaction in my opinion for what I have been through from the beginning till today.


Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on October 23, 2015, 07:17:50 PM
I don't know how my diary ended up in Lon/LATN category but I'm actually doing pure externals.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: NB on October 23, 2015, 09:15:13 PM
Do you still have a ballerina problem?
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on October 24, 2015, 09:30:03 AM
Do you still have a ballerina problem?

Nope , actually I have no ballerina at all only just a few millimeters from the ground but it's normal and not a big problem about it because I can still walk with heels touching the floor. It was worse when I had an infection on my pin site because I could not walk, stretch I could not even keep my leg straight but after the infection was over I stopped my lengthening program for a week for relaxing my muscles and stretching and it got better. I think it was mostly because of the infection and not walking , bent knees all the time.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: NB on October 25, 2015, 01:41:00 PM
My heels dont touch the floor about 3-4 cm (((, but was more. now I try walk without walker, all weight on my feet. It helps me against ballerina. When I walk more, my heels touch the ground.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on December 24, 2015, 07:43:17 PM
Hi everyone ! I have been gone from my "experience diary" for so long. It's not that I have a problem or something ,it's because that I'm not so good on writing and come here writing same stuff everyday .Btw , I'm doing fine and I'm finished with my lengthening ! Without serious complications.
The problem I have is 3cm ballerina both legs, left foot is pointing inwards, right foot is inversion.

A week ago was my third visit to Russia , I flew straight to moscow and I will tell you that the travel was the worst, my legs was very stiff from sitting many hours and I was on a wheelchair all the way. I was staying for 3 days ,Dr.Bagirov came on the third day, It was pretty bad because when he came it looked that he was in a hurry and we only spent time examing my legs about 2 hours.However when i stayed in Moscow I took some x-rays and Ct scan, after my doctor saw my x-ray he told me that my bones was straight and strong and I would even do 9 centimeters, but I told him about my problem that my left foot was pointing inwards , he told me they needed to do a correction  and so the did, they did it by moving the lengthening rods little to the sides after that my left foot is better, after that he said that I shouldn't lengthen more and I should be focusing about my right foot and ballerina.He told me the total length that i jave distracted is almost 8.5 cm and I was happy about it.


Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on December 24, 2015, 07:54:16 PM
So now it's the time for the second stage of the lengthening ! The consolidation phase! Dr.Bagirov told me that It would take me about 3 months until my bones are fully healed and I could remove my external fixator.  I think that 8cm and some millimeters took me 5 months and I can't even walk without crutches yet , I wonder when but I think that the walking will be better after my bones have healed.

I must admit that the ballerina was mostly my fault because sometime I was lazy. Maybe if I was stretching more I would have prevented 1 or two cm of ballerina and have only 1 cm instead.

Staying at home on the distraction phase hasn't been a problem for me (if not counting when I needed to travel to moscow) but about the pins or other problems it was ok for 5 months. I'm not saying that staying at home far away from doctor is good, bit it is maybe because I was lucky. Even if I stayed in moscow I think that my doctor would not have the time with me either because he's not staying at moscow all the time.
 
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on December 24, 2015, 08:19:55 PM
Now I'm standing at almost 173cm and I have forgot how it was when I was shorter .I remember the first time I was in Moscow meeting with my doctor , I felt that he was much taller than me but after the last visit to moscow I was standing at almost the same height as him ! It felt so good and I'm happy with my new height .I must admit that I still feel short but my new height is a lot different from my old height that is what I'm sure of.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on January 06, 2016, 07:01:08 PM
I think it has been 6 months since my surgery ! Time has passed so fast .I stopped lengthening 2 weeks ago my legs are feeling better since then. On the right side of my right leg I had a feeling that the muscles was very tight and I was in pain when I fully stretched out my right leg but after 2 weeks it seems like it has disappeared , I could straighten my right leg with no pain . I feel like I can walk but I haven't tried. I have bad inversion on my right foot and ballerina that I need to get rid of, duck but and bent knees too.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on January 06, 2016, 07:54:29 PM
Maybe I will upload some X-ray and pics of my legs if I have the mood, I have a lot of time.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Alittletooshort on January 08, 2016, 01:42:40 AM
What do you think about your proportions, now that you have lengthened 9cm´s?
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on January 13, 2016, 01:40:51 PM
What do you think about your proportions, now that you have lengthened 9cm´s?
Hello there, I think that my proportion looks Ok. It's not too bad ,my tibias was very very short before I did this surgery. But of course if I post a pic of my legs some people may judge it differently but for me they are perfect now. I may do my femurs in 3-4 years to add 3-4Cm
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on February 25, 2016, 08:54:36 PM
Ok people , I just realize  that I might have a few problems now. My left knee sometime gets a cracking sound like air bubbles in the bones, maybe I have an misalignment . My ankles hurt when walking (maybe because of the pins ). My left foot still pointing to the right(maybe from over stretched muscles) . I understand now how important it is to stay near a doctor during the lengthening so he can correct your legs time to time. As I said before my doctor doesn't have much time with me ,he's always in a hurry. Have been 7 months now since my surgery , I'm getting my x-rays next week. I still walk with crutches, I don't even know when I will be without them..
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Tiny on February 25, 2016, 10:10:48 PM
...Have been 7 months now since my surgery , I'm getting my x-rays next week. I still walk with crutches, I don't even know when I will be without them..

You did ~9cm, consolidation will take a lot of time. Just be patient.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: TIBIKE200 on February 25, 2016, 10:15:38 PM
holy sh*t! 9cm... Good luck with recovery (you did 2cm less than apotheosis)
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: KiloKAHN on February 25, 2016, 10:20:30 PM
You might have to be in those frames for 18 months. Oh boy.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: crimsontide on February 25, 2016, 10:47:22 PM
bagirov never has time

samui,  you need to prepare yourself for a very long recovery

the air bubbles in the knee... As long as t doesn't hurt, you should be ok

the left foot sounds like a potential problem

the ankles...  If you still have ballerina, you might be have early stages of arthritis... My left ankle has arthritis, and ballerina is definitely very bad for the ankle joint

you're looking at a very lengthy recovery

Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on April 20, 2016, 03:12:51 AM
Hi everyone , a little update with good news. Now I'm 9 months postOp ,when walking I don't feel my frames anymore my legs has become lighter too, I even took my first steps without aid last month (2 small steps) and since then it has improved . More flexibility . I had a very bad supination on my right foot but after walking a lot it has become much better now my ankles doesnt hurt anymore . My last months X-rays looked very straight and good callus. I had a very bad experience with a bone doctor too last month when I went to him to examine my x-rays and I didn't like him at all , he was still young and loud talking . He said he could not say an thing about my bones that he doesnt have experience in cosmetic bone lengthening . So I will contact a hospital in Bangkok that offers limb lengthening with a doctor namesd Dr.Porn-aneke. About my ballerina it is slightly better now but I still wear 1 inch lift in my legs and will remove half an inch at a time until my heels starts touching the floor. 
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on April 20, 2016, 03:15:48 AM
I really want to upload my X-ray but I'm too lazy. Maybe next month x-ray .. So some of you can see how my bone is healing.

About pin infection . Some months ago when I had pin infection it was very bad couldn't walk very weak legs and so much pain from the pressure in the legs, but now when the bones are more healed I don't feel the pain at all when walking and my legs aren't as weak as the early pin infection and it usually gets away in only 1-2 days.

My feeling after being taller , it feels very good I feel more confident about myself but felt more better when I newly reached my height about 5 months ago. Now I feel like i'm used with my new height (I think I must be 173Cm.) I dont even remember how it was with my old height (164cm) .But even now it just feels like I want more and more but my proportion may look bad Ex.sitting height and arms etc.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on May 22, 2016, 06:50:05 AM
10 months post -Op . I'm starting to recover really well , now I have started to walk 3 times a day after meals and it is super effective. Now I can walk completely without aid on flat floor, but it's still swinging hips walk. My ankles have become straighter , ballerina on my right foot is much better but my left side calf is still tight after much walking but not my left leg. My last X-rays seemed also good may be 2-3 months left, I'm still waiting for the response from Dr.Bagirov.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on May 22, 2016, 07:04:26 AM
 10 months post Op

X-ray Left leg from the front
http://i.imgur.com/P1lTI3t.jpg

Left leg from the side
http://i.imgur.com/yMsBKuP.jpg

Right leg from the front
http://i.imgur.com/Ru9uzK8.jpg

Right leg from the side
http://i.imgur.com/numy0DN.jpg
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Bob on May 22, 2016, 10:20:34 AM
Hey Samuimw, Good to hear and nice to see your x-rays. Be positive and strong. It take times, that's okay you'll get there - Good luck.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Cheez on May 23, 2016, 09:30:25 AM
I think your X-Ray looks really good.

Stay strong!
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Post by: Samuimw on May 23, 2016, 03:27:41 PM
Thank you Bob and Cheez , I'm really waiting to be off with these frames now but I guess it's 3-4 more months if I keep walking alot. I think i'm more positive than I ever was before the surgery  ;)
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: goodlucktomylegs on May 23, 2016, 05:36:01 PM
Thank you Bob and Cheez , I'm really waiting to be off with these frames now but I guess it's 3-4 more months if I keep walking alot. I think i'm more positive than I ever was before the surgery  ;)
Wish you a best recovery
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on July 20, 2016, 08:35:59 PM
Hey thank you Goodlucktomylegs and everyone for posting.

          Now it is 3.00 am. I woke up and now I can't sleep so I'm deciding to write how I feel since it has been 1 year since my operation being inside my house in my backyard inside the fences of my house for most of the time trying to recover, exercising,stretching ,walking . It has affected me both physically and mentally can't wait until I'm fully recovered and go out and live a normal life with longer legs, but I'm not loosing patience.

          I wake up every morning with my leg muscles very tight but it goes away when I stretch and walk I have even heard that it will be like that for a long time. I'm recovering a little at a time I can walk without crutches really good now with just little swinging hips left, I think it is because of my right ankle that need more stretching but I am working on it everyday. Maybe I will visit my doctor before removing my frames to be sure everything is ok.

This is my X-ray 12 months post Op Left leg-Right leg , if anyone have experience can you tell me when approximately I can be off them? I haven't heard back from my doctor yet.

http://imgur.com/a/WHiTT

     
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: aussieboy on July 21, 2016, 01:58:07 AM
I've done this operation before and seen at least 8 X-rays of my legs. Your left leg is good, and may need 1-2 months more to play it safe. Heck, I could even remove it and stabilise it with a cast. But your right leg will take another 3-5 months. Not sure. Try putting more pressure on your right leg when you walk!
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on July 21, 2016, 02:57:34 AM
I've done this operation before and seen at least 8 X-rays of my legs. Your left leg is good, and may need 1-2 months more to play it safe. Heck, I could even remove it and stabilise it with a cast. But your right leg will take another 3-5 months. Not sure. Try putting more pressure on your right leg when you walk!

Hi aussieboy and thank you for your comment ! I was expecting 3-5 months too , it's better to be safe but I will keep my frames on than to put my legs in a cast. You are right I need to put more weight on my right leg but I have always have the fear of breaking my pins though.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: aussieboy on July 21, 2016, 02:57:01 PM
holy sh*t! 9cm... Good luck with recovery (you did 2cm less than apotheosis)
apo did 11 cm in one segment??
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: YourSpaceBoyfriend on July 21, 2016, 03:03:21 PM
He went from like 5'6 to 6'3 so well....
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on October 18, 2016, 03:50:14 AM
Big news , I removed both my frames on the 10th October , total time in frames 15 months, removed them with anestesia  and stayed at hospital for 1 night felt no pain.  Since I removed my frames I don't need to suffer from the pain on my pin sites anymore it was like my body started to resist it with water running out of pin sites all the time. Now 8 days has passed since removal and everything is going fine no bending or height loss. I'm still on crutches but can easily walk without them but I still have to wear 3cm shoes because of tightness from my 1cm ballerina on my left foot , I don't know when it is safe to ditch the crutches but better to take it easy. The first day walking without frames I was very scared i had almost had all of my weight on the crutches but it goes away day by day and I'm beginning to put more weight on my legs . It feels so light and no longer I have to feel the pressure from the frames. I will post X-rays from the day of the removal after.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on October 18, 2016, 04:31:09 AM
Callus before removal

From the front: http://i.imgur.com/RJcQHAO.jpg
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: TIBIKE200 on October 18, 2016, 04:35:29 AM
Are you happy with your final proportions?
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on October 18, 2016, 04:38:07 AM
Left leg from the side: http://i.imgur.com/bLTwZkF.jpg

right leg from the side: http://i.imgur.com/y9BHqxG.jpg


Approx price for the whole procedure , Surgery, stay, flight 3 time to moscow and back ,removal, X rays, alcohol bandage is= 15,000 usd.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on October 18, 2016, 04:51:28 AM
Are you happy with your final proportions?

Hi, TIBIKE 200. Yes I'm happy with my final proportions, I tried some skinny jeans earlier and it looked fine. I might have slightly long shinbones after 9cm but it's not ugly . I also asked opinions of some close people of mine and they said it looked ok with my new height.
Title: Re: Samuimw, Moscow Dr.Bagirov
Post by: Samuimw on October 18, 2016, 08:52:18 AM
Walking conclusion , from reading my diary again i realise that it took me almost 6 month from my very first unaided walk until now to walk almost normal.(I use the word" almost normal "because i still have tightness in my left leg with 1 cm ballerina, if not for that I could walk normally.) Now I walk with shoes and I can walk like normal and my hips doesn't swing anymore but as said my ankles still have limited motion makes it hard to walk down the stairs. Last month when I had my frames on I could almost jog too, but will not try now when frames are newly removed but maybe after 6 month I will try to run. As you can see I took everything carefully  and slowly I never did something myself without my doctor telling me to do. I do not regret my LL journey , and I'm very happy with my outcome and the choices that I chose all along till this day.