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Title: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on August 14, 2015, 06:13:01 PM
I have chosen Dr. Paley as my doctor.  I have a consultation with him in a little over a week regarding quadrilateral lengthening for a 10cm gain in height.  My current height is 5 foot 5 inches- I am 31 years old and have been contemplating limb lengthening for the past 10 years.  My financial situation and professional situation are allowing me a year for this journey and I am confident in my choice to go ahead with this.  If there are any questions you would like me to ask Dr. Paley I will try my best to get them answered.  Thank you and I hope to provide you with an honest and detailed reality of a 10cm quadrilateral lengthening.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on August 15, 2015, 02:31:34 AM
Well first of congrats on deciding to go through this procedure. For the most part I hope you have a full understanding of what you're about to go through and I hope for a safe surgery and recovery in your future. Considering you're going with Paley I'm sure you are in absolute best hands. I should also add that I myself am considering not just Paley but also 10 CM gain (obviously 5 in each limb).

In that regard I do have some questions I would love for you to ask Paley in regards to, not just QL, but also general LL under his supervision:

1)What is the expected recovery time for a single bilateral femur LL for 5-6CM look like? And how fast can they return to any sport (this is my first choice mind you)
2)How does he advice his patients when it comes to their proportions and how they might look after surgery? (with regards to legs and torso ration and wingspan)
3)Would he provide arm lengthening for patients who would like to become more proportional?
4)What, if any, long term effects have been caused by this surgery? (yes broad and general question but I'm sure it's very important to ask)
5)Does he expect the price for this surgery to increase in the near future?
6)Have patients generally been happy with their gain in height after their surgery?
Lastly, what does he personally think about this procedure being cosmetic? This is a more personal question regarded to him and is by no means supposed to be a gotcha question, but I'm just generally interested in what an experienced man like Paley would think about this procedure and his understanding of why people would go through with this.

I wish you well mate, hope you have a great journey if you do ultimately decide to go through with this! Thank you and I wish you well.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ghostfish on August 15, 2015, 06:16:19 AM
Hi Iamready

First of all, I like your name :)  I envy you because I am not ready due to mainly time.  So congrats on your exciting journey to the new life!

I am also quite interested in QL but have been wondering whether it is really doable.  Did you actually have Dr. Paley?  Or is it your plan before consultation?  My first question is "Is QL possible and doable?" 

Suppose it is possible, how long does it take to finish 10 cm lengthening ("5 and 5" or "6 and 4" in femurs and tibias) and to recover/walk so that you can restart working?  I guess since femurs and tibias LLs are different in lengthening rate and recovery time, how you lengthen them could affect how much time you need to recover.  Hopefully, Dr. Paley can give you a good explanation in this regard.

Thank you for your post.  Your QL journey is very inspiring to me.

Good luck!!!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on August 16, 2015, 11:08:07 AM
You will definitely have all your questions answered. 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on August 26, 2015, 09:11:37 PM
Hi, just a quick update.  I had my consultation and I will my surgery will take place at the end of October.  The first surgery will be for the tibial lengthening and will be followed by another surgery at the end of November for the lengthening of my femurs. 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: stormtrooper on August 27, 2015, 07:08:51 PM
That's awesome. You the man!! You can do this.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ghostfish on August 28, 2015, 02:11:12 AM
Hi Iamready

Thank you so much for your update!!  Your journey for LL is very inspiring to me!  Hope you come back often and write more. 
Wish you the best of success in your LL!!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on September 03, 2015, 06:28:04 PM
How can I change the title of the topic to Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on September 19, 2015, 08:46:05 AM
Hey guys. I'm nearly a month away from the first surgery. I've been stretching as much is safe according to the research I've done.   It might not make a difference but I am determined to give this experience as much effort as possible.  There are  alot of questions that have gone through my head regarding the experience because I've been visualizing it.   I wish I could share with you my joy because this is by far the most exciting time of my life
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on September 19, 2015, 11:09:09 PM
Hey man I'm wishing you the best of luck as you're going through with this. You and Vitruvius have been a great inspiration and help to me so I undoubtedly hope you come out as best you possibly can. It's gonna be a long and hard journey, especially for you considering you're brave enough to do two in one go. Considering you have Paley, as Vitruvius has shown, you're good hands. Take care mate and keep us posted.

Also what's you game plan? How much are you gonna go for in each?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ghostfish on September 21, 2015, 04:14:21 AM
Hi Iamready

Thanks for the update!  Yeah, now you have only one month to go!  It will be a long and hard journey but you can do it, coz you are ready!
Wish you the best of luck during this journey and the best result!  Keep up updated.

Best,
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on September 22, 2015, 01:28:29 AM
I'm going for as much as I can get without looking funky, compromising my safety, and mobility.   I'm more focused on these points than any number.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: stormtrooper on September 26, 2015, 01:17:31 PM
Iamready,

  Hope your feeling great. Just a couple quick questions, regarding your expectations and expenses.

1. How much $$ have you set aside for the surgeries?
2. Who is staying with you during the recuperation phase?

Looking forward to reading your response. Thank you.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on September 28, 2015, 07:59:17 PM
On the FAQ for Dr. Paley it says that you should have 30-35k on hand for any complications that may occur.  Add expense of living, Medicine, travel costs, and the cost of surgery and that's how much I have set aside.  I wouldn't have this surgery done if I wasn't financially prepared for it.

My father will stay with me for at least 2 weeks and then I will get a caretaker.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on September 29, 2015, 05:36:10 AM
May I also ask how people whom you told this reacted to you wanting to do this? Considering you obviously told your father how did he react?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on September 29, 2015, 06:45:47 AM
I told everyone.  All my friends, any family that I still talk to.  My dad was on board from the start, my mom was just worried about my safety.  As for friends, everyone thought it was cool and were happy for me.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on September 29, 2015, 07:06:30 AM
Oh yeah, my sister was freaked out about it at first. My parents didn't want me to tell her but they eventually blurted it out when she kept questioning why I was going to Florida for the consultation. She didn't like the fact that her healthy little brother was going to go through such a drastic surgery but I spoke to her about it over dinner and she knows that this is something I want and that i'm a strong person. 

When I first brought it up to my parents we were all sitting at the couch at their home and I told them about the procedure to warm them up to the idea.  Then a few weeks later I brought up the surgery again and told them that I had the money saved up for the operation and I showed them some of the research I had done and videos online of the Paley Institute.  I answered all their questions about safety and I let my father come with me to Florida during the consultation.  It was really important to me that they felt comfortable with this because I didn't want them to worry about my health or safety.  They knew I wore lifts, that I always wanted to be normal height so it wasn't a huge shock. 

Feeling more comfortable with my body is something I earned and deserve.  We live in an amazing time, it would be a shame not to take this journey.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: concernedmom on September 29, 2015, 06:48:03 PM
You know guys, this is a journey you should be proud of taking. Nothing to be shamed about. We live in a different society now. Be proud of yourselves. You guys are brave and determined.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on October 30, 2015, 10:07:31 PM
I have a day left before I get discharged. The epidural didn't work for my right side so I dealt with that but believe it or not my greatest pain has been in the bladder. My urine wasn't passing through. I had the catheter stuck in 4 times in and out. It's a bitch but there are people in the world who suffer a great deal more pain than I so I don't feel right complaining.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ortholengthening on October 30, 2015, 10:09:45 PM
congratulations. Big step done. Many more ahead. Will be reading closely and cheering you on.
What day was your surgery? Did you start lengthening yet?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on October 30, 2015, 10:17:09 PM
They did the initial 1mm to test the nail.  I start lengthening Tuesday. A week after the surgery. Hopefully I get through tonight without needing them to remove and inset another catheter and it will be all I could ask for.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on October 31, 2015, 09:24:57 AM
Still more catheter Problems.  No sleep.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on October 31, 2015, 11:13:11 PM
Hang in the man. The first week or two is apparently always the worst.

Which segment did the Operate first on? I'm assuming the tibia since it typically lengths slower.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on October 31, 2015, 11:30:48 PM
I have a day left before I get discharged. The epidural didn't work for my right side so I dealt with that but believe it or not my greatest pain has been in the bladder. My urine wasn't passing through. I had the catheter stuck in 4 times in and out. It's a bitch but there are people in the world who suffer a great deal more pain than I so I don't feel right complaining.

I had the same problem as you. They don't actually have to stick a catheter back in! I learned that after they did the same thing to me. But the way I got to peeing again was to get a rubber glove full of ice chips. Then put that glove on top of your penis for a while. Eventually you'll want to go. It's much easier than using the catheter!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ortholengthening on October 31, 2015, 11:43:11 PM
Another option would be to keep the catheter in for 24 hours and let things settle down. Yes having a prolonged (>48hours) indwelling catheter increases your risk of urinary tract infection, but so does doing multiple in and out catheterizations.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ghostfish on November 01, 2015, 05:01:11 AM
Hi Iamready

Congrats on making the first step!
I am sorry that you have a serious problem in peeing. That sounds quite painful.  Try what DoingitforMe suggests.  It may work for you.
Be strong and hang in there.  The pain will be less and less eventually!  Hope it is getting better soon for you!
Thank you so much for sharing your invaluable experience with us!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ghostfish on November 01, 2015, 05:43:34 AM
That sounds quite scary.  Luckily you fell flat on face without damaging your legs, although it must be hurtful.  Anyhow, I am glad you will see you father.  Having your family be supportive is really huge, since a lot of people who want or did LL need to hide LL even to family.  I am also going to pretend nothing happens to my height.  ::)

looking forward to hearing more from you!

Take care! 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 04, 2015, 12:13:16 AM
Ever since they removed the catheter my mood has been much better.  I am at homewood suites now.  Completed 2 physical therapy sessions and lengthened 1.5mm so far.  Took my first   Sunday night, and just dropped a bomb tonight which hurt a lot more.   You can really feel the pain in the legs.  All I have to say is that I wish the pain pills actually worked for me.  They just make me sleepy.  Perhaps someone has suggestions?  Most of the pain I feel is while on the walker.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on November 04, 2015, 02:29:59 AM
Ever since they removed the catheter my mood has been much better.  I am at homewood suites now.  Completed 2 physical therapy sessions and lengthened 1.5mm so far.  Took my first crap Sunday night, and just dropped a bomb tonight which hurt a lot more.   You can really feel the pain in the legs.  All I have to say is that I wish the pain pills actually worked for me.  They just make me sleepy.  Perhaps someone has suggestions?  Most of the pain I feel is while on the walker.
The pain will drop significantly after 2 weeks or so. Hang in there. What pain meds are you on now? Oxycodone? Get some Tylenol and take it with the Oxy. It will enhance the effect. Don't get Advil and the like, because they don't mix well with the blood thinners. It's not worth the risk. Tell the Paley team about the pain. They will prescribe stronger pain meds for you. For me, it was Oxycontin that saved me. That stuff is like $5 a pill, but it was worth every dollar. If your health insurance isn't paying for your drugs, get your drugs from Walmart. It's the cheapest. But give them the prescription for Oxycodone a week in advance. It takes them that long to fill it. Garden Drugs has some kind of deal with the hospital, so the hospital pushes their drugs. But their prices are almost double or triple. Don't fall for their trap, especially when drug costs are in the thousands of dollars.

If you see an asian kid or an indian guy, say hi to them for me. Try to get to the pool as soon as you can - usually 2 weeks after discharge. If the pool isn't warm, complain to Paley's team. They will yell at the Homewood Suites management for you. If the pool is warm, you're welcome. It was our group that got them to turn up the heating in the pool.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 04, 2015, 06:11:26 AM
Hi, thanks for your response. During my first pt session there was an indian fellow- i'm not 100% sure- and he had just finished lengthening his tibia's 7cm.  My father spoke to him but it was my first day after being discharged from the hospital and I was out of it.  They gave me generic vicodin and oxycodone.  I absolutely will not be getting my medicine from Garden Drugs if they are over priced. 

Since they did the tibia's first on me I have this boot that i'm supposed to wear 23 hours a day.  It's problematic for me because I have some bruising and swelling from how tight it fits on me.  When you speak about the Paley team do you mean the physical therapists or the doctors I visit every 2 weeks?  Thanks for your reponse I really appreciate that you took the time to respond.  Have a nice night.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on November 04, 2015, 05:22:20 PM
Speak to the physical therapists first for most of your questions. Usually they have the answer. If not, send an email to John the PA or Dr. Packer or Dr. Robbins. You can try to reach Dr. Paley, but he rarely responds to emails, because he's so busy. Dr. Packer and Dr. Paley should be in Miami right now, by the way, so the only way to reach them is by email. Only the doctors can give you a new prescription for drugs.

Ah yes. The one who did tibias is Egyptian if his first name starts with A. Say hi to him for me as well. I did femurs, so I can't really comment on your boots. The guy who finished his tibias to 7 cm could probably give you a better answer. The Asian and Indian guy might be finished consolidating, so they might have left the hotel already.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 05, 2015, 03:27:40 AM
I mentioned the Oxycodine to one of the doctors today and she told about how they won't prescribe it because it is highly addictive and etc etc.  She just told me to add tylenol to the mix.  Also since it's my first 2 weeks they want me to ride it out.  Well, if the pain gets horrible about the time i'm lengthening my femurs and tibia's simultaneously i'll bring it up again but for now she mentioned I could use 2 pills instead of one if really needed.  I'm really conservative with my pill usage because I can for see lots of pain after my femurs break.  Doing a number 2 really takes a toll on my tibia's I feel shoots of lightning down the areas where the bones were broken.  Does this happen with the femurs as well??  Thanks bud and a good recovery to you.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on November 05, 2015, 05:08:31 AM
Shoots of lightning? No. That sounds like nerve pain, and you should definitely mention that to the doctors if you haven't already. I've only had nerve pain when overstretching during PT. I'm a bit lucky in that regard, because another patient had nerve pain in the Tibs as well, even though she did femurs. But eventually it went away when she slowed down the lengthening.

I'm not surprised that they didn't prescribe oxycontin to you. That stuff is really good. Addictive, but really good. But double up on Oxycodone if the pain is too much. You can always be more conservative with your pills later on. For example, for my first two weeks, I took 2 Oxycodones per 4 hours. Along with a Oxycontin per 12 hours. Along with 4 advils per 4 hours (don't take Advil like I did.).

Afterwards, I started taking only 2 Oxycodones only when I feel a lot of pain, and only take 1 all other times. Eventually towards the end, I only took one oxycodone, except for when I go to PT. And I stopped taking Oxy at night. Finally when I stopped lengthening, I quit all pain meds. A week after lengthening, almost all pain goes away.

As for Tylenol, I take a 8 hour release one. They're 650 mg each. You're allowed to take up to 4,000 mg per day. So I only take two pills per 8 hours (1,300 mg per 8 hours). Times 3, that's 3,900 mg per day.

Anyway, you're really brave to do all 4 sections at the same time. Man, I did only femurs and I already thought that that was too much.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: PaleyPatient on November 06, 2015, 04:44:18 AM
Wow ur very brave to lengthen femur and tibia at the same time! I'm lengthening my tibia also with paley atm. I think I saw you a few times. I'm a private person so I prob won't initiate any convo, we'll have like a silent nod of acknowledgement lol. But if you have questions feel free to message me here.

As for the shooting pain, try to stand as much as you can while holding onto the crutches. My therapist told me the bone needs to get use to having the precise in there so the more you stand the faster you will adapt. Its going to hurt but trust me it gets easier.

The first week sucks. After that will be very little pain. I talked to 4 other ppl doing their tibia and we pretty much felt the same during the first weeks.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 06, 2015, 01:48:34 PM
Hi buddy. What nationality are you. It might help narrow you down next time I see you to speak to you.  I'm quite reserved at first and I do not like disturbing people. If you don't feel like describing yourself here on the thread go and and pm me so we can initiate conversation. Your likely see me with my father since he's taking care of me till Tuesday. Thank you.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: PaleyPatient on November 06, 2015, 06:52:20 PM
Hi buddy. What nationality are you. It might help narrow you down next time I see you to speak to you.  I'm quite reserved at first and I do not like disturbing people. If you don't feel like describing yourself here on the thread go and and pm me so we can initiate conversation. Your likely see me with my father since he's taking care of me till Tuesday. Thank you.

gotcha will do.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on November 06, 2015, 08:35:29 PM
I suggest making friends with other patients, because it's a long journey, and it would be much easier when you have support from other patients.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: glenn on November 07, 2015, 09:24:21 PM
Hi, just a quick update.  I had my consultation and I will my surgery will take place at the end of October.  The first surgery will be for the tibial lengthening and will be followed by another surgery at the end of November for the lengthening of my femurs.

Hey fellow "Quadie"   :)

I'm curious, is there a reason Paley recommended you do tibias first, then femurs, for quadrilateral lengthening?

I'm doing quads as well, but I opted to do cross-leg (one femur and the other tibia at the same time). I think it's worked out for me so far: when my femur hurt (from 1cm to 3cm), my tibia had no trouble; when I was battling ballerina (4cm to 5cm) my femurs were fine; from 5+ cm I worked my femur while my tibia was already finished and consolidating. So at each stage I was able to stagger my concentration on each affected part.

Do you think you might possibly stop doing quads if you feel you've gained enough with tibs alone?

Have a good recovery!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ghostfish on November 08, 2015, 02:14:23 AM
Hi glenn

Are you doing Qll in Paley's hospital? If not, where are you doing it?  I read that those doctors using Fitbone seem to do Qll in cross leg.
I am very glad that you have been doing great.  Apparently you have gained quite a lot of height.  How much did you increase your height?
Hope you recover very well.
 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: glenn on November 08, 2015, 02:49:12 AM
Hi Ghostfish,

I don't want to hijack Iamready's thread, but to quickly answer your question: I am in the middle of first-stage doing quads with Dr. Monegal using Fitbone. I have done 5 cm in tibia and 6.4 cm so far in femur. If you have any questions for me please feel free to ask in my diary thread instead, thanks!

I am not a Paley patient. I was just asking Iamready for his perspective since he is doing quads, like me.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ghostfish on November 08, 2015, 04:04:28 AM
Hi glenn

Thanks for telling me your story.  I probably missed your diary, so if I have additional questions or comments about your journey, I will write it on your diary.

Good luck! glenn
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 09, 2015, 08:56:11 AM
Hello readers. I am making fantastic progress. I've lengthened 5.5mm so far. My pain is much more manageable and I'm fully independent with one exception.  I need to hire someone to help me work the ERC machine and align it properly 3 times a day.  My boots may be defective so I'm going to speak to the team about their fit do I can get an optimal use from them. Moving from the hospital and into the paley institute is a complete change of culture. The paley employees are all accommodating,kind, knowledgeable and I look forward to each of session. It's time for sleep now so that's all. I usually nap in 3 hour increments throughout the day. Usually between lengthenings. It works great. Have a good one.  ;)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ghostfish on November 10, 2015, 04:15:15 AM
Hi Iamready

It is so great to hear that you are making fantastic progress and your pain is manageable. 
So do you need to wear the boots until you finish lengthening or even consolidation?  What is the purpose of that boots?  kind of support?  Hope you get your boots fixed or changed.

Have a good day!!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: inconel on November 11, 2015, 07:08:47 PM
I am also 1.65 cm in height that want to add 10cm trough both tibia and femur lengthening. I read in this forum(doesn't remember where but it was pinned thread) that doing all four limbs at the same time will end in a disaster and that most doctors won't even consider this. there is a change that made  Quadrilateral Lengthening less dangerous? there is drawbacks for Quadrilateral Lengthening other than risks and costs?.

Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 11, 2015, 07:55:57 PM
those risk are for those who do all for segments during 1 surgery.  my surgeries are scheduled 3.5 weeks apart. 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: inconel on November 11, 2015, 09:33:49 PM
those risk are for those who do all for segments during 1 surgery.  my surgeries are scheduled 3.5 weeks apart.

how it goes? one surgery for both femur bones and than one for both tibia bones after 3 weeks?. and after that you lengthen all four bones at the same time?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on November 11, 2015, 09:38:26 PM
Yes that's how it works, but it starts with Tibia first because lengthening of the tibia is slower. I would guess the reason Paley does it after 3 weeks I so that when you start lengthening your femurs they rapidly catch up to the tibia's length and therefore both bones could consolidate roughly around the same time to each other.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 15, 2015, 02:39:07 AM
Quick Update
Today I am 1 cm taller.  Pain is manageable.  I mainly use the pain medicine for night time because the boots are difficult to sleep with and wake me up every hour.

I will post x ray photos soon. 

My father left about a week ago.  I am doing physical therapy with the Paley team Monday-Saturday.  Saturday therapy is extra but I want to do all that is in my power to do this correctly.

I also have a nurse that comes 3 times a day for 1.5 hours.  She stretches me for 1 hour and then spends the rest of the time lengthening me with the ERC machine and cleaning up.  Constipation is an issue.  I won't go into details but I have been to the depths of Dante's Inferno.

Have a nice night all and stay strong and proud,
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ghostfish on November 16, 2015, 04:22:04 AM
Hi Iamready

Thanks for the update! Congrats on your achievement of 1 cm taller!  1 cm about  2 weeks seems quite good progress on tibia. Wish you continue this until the end of lengthening.
Sorry for your pain on the constipation. Is this a common problem in cll patients?  Hope it goes away soon.

Take care!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 16, 2015, 05:41:01 AM
The constipation is a side of effect of pain killers.  I take very little but still, it's enough to make me dread the number 2.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on November 16, 2015, 08:53:44 AM
The constipation is a side of effect of pain killers.  I take very little but still, it's enough to make me dread the number 2.
Are you taking any laxatives? Also, try to eat a lot of meat. You need the calories/fat/proteins to heal up faster anyway. I ate a lot of meat at the hotel, and skipped most of the salads. This ensured that I had a healthy flow of number 2. At one point it became too much, and ended up being diarrhea. That's when I put back more salads in my diet.

If you order take out on the weekends, I recommend the Tuna Melt from Pronto's Pizza. So good.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: alps on November 16, 2015, 12:53:33 PM
is it possible to get pain killers before LLing to see how your body will react to it?

constipation *can* be a big deal. it can ruin your food intake which is very important. what happens if you laxatives constantly for 2-3 months? you will become slightly addicted to it, but it should eventually subside, shouldn't it?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on November 16, 2015, 07:31:14 PM
is it possible to get pain killers before LLing to see how your body will react to it?

constipation *can* be a big deal. it can ruin your food intake which is very important. what happens if you laxatives constantly for 2-3 months? you will become slightly addicted to it, but it should eventually subside, shouldn't it?
No, the pain killers given are narcotics, and illegal to prescribe unless medically necessary. You only need laxatives in the beginning, until your body gets used to the pain killers. I had a lot of weird side effects from the pain killers from the beginning like hallucinations. But it went away after a few weeks.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 17, 2015, 03:42:35 PM
I'm just taking the stool softener that they prescribed. I've got some laxatives on hand for an emergency situation.

There's been a slight change of plan.  I have moved the date of my femur lengthening to February 18.
This was a decision I made after hearing from the doctors that my goal of 12-13cm would only be achievable by a miracle.
After asking a few of the physical therapists about quadrilateral patients they also concurred that the most anyone achieved was 9.75 inches and the rest below that number.  It doesn't benefit me to pay double the cost to achieve the same amount of length that could be achieved in a single femur operation so I am bettering my chances by waiting until my tibia's are finished lengthening and then immediately lengthening my femurs.  I'll keep you posted.

I'd also like to mention that Homewood Suites is not very Wheelchair friendly.  There are no automatic doors, and the hallways are carpeted and sloped, making the long road to my room an unnecessary adventure. I will be looking for an apartment soon and will eat the cost of transportation.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: glenn on November 17, 2015, 03:50:24 PM
There's been a slight change of plan.  I have moved the date of my femur lengthening to February 18.
This was a decision I made after hearing from the doctors that my goal of 12-13cm would only be achievable by a miracle.
After asking a few of the physical therapists about quadrilateral patients they also concurred that the most anyone achieved was 9.75 inches and the rest below that number.  It doesn't benefit me to pay double the cost to achieve the same amount of length that could be achieved in a single femur operation so I am bettering my chances by waiting until my tibia's are finished lengthening and then immediately lengthening my femurs.  I'll keep you posted.

I'd also like to mention that Homewood Suites is not very Wheelchair friendly.  There are no automatic doors, and the hallways are carpeted and sloped, making the long road to my room an unnecessary adventure. I will be looking for an apartment soon and will eat the cost of transportation.

Hi Iamready,

Is that a typo? "12-13cm would only be achievable by a miracle"... That doesn't sound right, does it? Or did they mean "12-13cm in one segment?"

I'm doing cross-leg quadrilateral and I've successfully done one tibia (5cm) and one femur (7.2cm) without incident. I have yet to do the remaining segments, though. Did they say where the bottlenecks are, that would prevent one from achieving "12-13cm" ? Is there something that people should watch out for if they aim for those types of gains?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 17, 2015, 04:38:43 PM
That's not a typo. It may be achievable with another doctor and nail system but the Paley Center is very conservative and strict when it comes to safety concerns.  I'm not in a position to dispute with a doctors statement so I'm doing what is best for my safety and for my ultimate goal.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: glenn on November 17, 2015, 04:50:18 PM
Hi Iamready,

I was just wondering if there's some bottleneck I should watch out for. Thank you for your reply! Good luck on the rest of the process!

Glenn
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: alps on November 17, 2015, 05:32:32 PM
No, the pain killers given are narcotics, and illegal to prescribe unless medically necessary. You only need laxatives in the beginning, until your body gets used to the pain killers. I had a lot of weird side effects from the pain killers from the beginning like hallucinations. But it went away after a few weeks.

what are the narcotics prescribed?

are you sure the body will get used to pain killers?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ghostfish on November 18, 2015, 03:50:00 AM
Hi Iamready,

I was just wondering if there's some bottleneck I should watch out for. Thank you for your reply! Good luck on the rest of the process!

Glenn

Hi Glenn

I think there is something you need to remember about what Iamreaady is doing.  Although both of you are doing QLL, the original time frame is different between yours and Iamready's. Iamready was originally planning on doing qll in about 3 months of lengthening which is a common period of lengthening for one segment. However, according to Paley center, he realized that it would be very hard or even not possible for him to achieve 12-13 cm which is his original goal "IN 3 Months", since most of qll patients achieved less than 10 cm. Therefore, he decided to finish tibia lengthening and go to femurs right after, meaning that he will need additional 3 months or so for femurs. So taken together, he may need to take 5-6 months, which becomes kind of similar to your time frame. As far as I remember, you are doing one cross segments lengthening for 2-3 months and do another cross segments after that.  So you will also need to spend 5-6 months like Iamready's modified plan. So overall you and Iamready will take a similar amount of time of lengthening for 12-13 cm or perhaps Iamready may be able to get one month or so faster than you. I am quite impressed by the determination of Iamready. He will definitely achieve his goal!!
     
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: glenn on November 18, 2015, 04:12:00 AM
Hi Ghostfish,

Ah, ok.. Totally didn't see the 12-13cm "IN 3 months" context. Thank you for the clarification! Makes a lot more sense now.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on November 18, 2015, 04:26:09 AM
what are the narcotics prescribed?

are you sure the body will get used to pain killers?
Says in my diary and his diary. Mainly Oxycodone.

I'm not sure if everyone's body will get used to the pain killers. But over time, you'll have less pain and thus need to take less pain meds, which means less side effects.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 22, 2015, 11:43:01 AM
Hello.  This morning I am 1.75 cm taller- .69 inches.  It looks noticeable but my legs are skinnier so it may be an illusion.
I'm uploading last weeks x ray photos as we speak.  Pain is mainly after physical therapy and from wearing the dorsiflexion boots all day.  If anyone has tips for making the boots more bearable please feel free to chime in.  I had to get rid of my nurse for not showing up for my last appointment and also using her phone too much during our sessions.  I also felt being stretched 3 times a day for an hour.5 was overkill as it was causing strain on my body and limiting my own time to train and stretch on my own. 
I go to Paley's therapy Monday- Saturday. Saturdays cost extra and i'm usually the only patient there.  Sleep is gradually getting better.  This morning I woke up after 4 hours instead of 2.  Usually I wake up once the pain killers run out.  My parents are visiting so it will be nice to leave the hotel and visit south beach.  Besides the pain, weekends can be a bore; i'm about ready to leave homewood suites and find a nice condo that is handicap friendly.  Unfortunately for someone like me, who is alone, having no handicap doors that open with a button or auto is a big issue and so is the carpeted and sloped flooring.  Getting down the hall to my room could be an obstacle on American Ninja Gladiator. 
Have a good one, hope I provided some value.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 22, 2015, 12:21:08 PM
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Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on November 23, 2015, 07:59:55 AM
Unfortunately for someone like me, who is alone, having no handicap doors that open with a button or auto is a big issue and so is the carpeted and sloped flooring.  Getting down the hall to my room could be an obstacle on American Ninja Gladiator. 
Have a good one, hope I provided some value.
Get an electric wheelchair like I did if you have the money. I got a $2000 one called Smart Chair, but there are some cheaper brands. Works amazing. It's narrower, so you can fit in smaller spaces. And you control everything with just one arm instead of two, so it frees up one hand to open doors and close doors and hold plates. It's 50 lbs and foldable, so it can go into a car's trunk. Bring it home, because you're going to still need it when you go home. This lets me go almost anywhere, as I can put it in the trunk of my car, and then go almost anywhere, as long as there is someone to put it in and take it out of the trunk.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 23, 2015, 10:29:06 PM
I was going to get one but my PT recommended against getting one. Something about them being too heavy.  I'll ask another PT about it tomorrow, Thanks
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Penguinn on November 23, 2015, 11:55:11 PM
$2000 for a chair! God damn.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ghostfish on November 24, 2015, 12:42:26 AM
Hi DoingItForMe

I think that is a good idea! Especially for QLL patients, it could be a saviour.  I will definitely consider it when I will do ll in the future.  Perhaps, it can be resold in a lower price once I finish it.
 
Thank Iamready for the update. Your X rays look great!  It shows clearly you are getting taller!  Hopefully, there is a better way to improve the comfort for your boots.  I may also need to know it if I do tibia in the future.

Take care! 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 24, 2015, 02:30:20 AM
I'll probably buy the wheelchair tonight.  I remember almost falling backwards on the hill going from St. Mary's to the Kimmel building.  It took all my strength to keep from falling.  It's also very easy to tip over. I'm moving out of Homewood Suites and into an apartment at City Center.  I was able to get a 6 month lease. After seeing the video of this wheelchair it's going to help me with all the taxi trips to the hospital and back with that convenient folding ability.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 24, 2015, 02:33:39 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Smart-Chair-Electric-Wheelchair/dp/B00EBXBC4K/ref=pd_sim_sbs_121_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=4107wqFTCKL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID=1JMWM2W35TF7554HP7RM

This is it?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: chineseguy on November 24, 2015, 03:53:59 AM
how is the pain?   it is painful?    how painful?   can you sleep better?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 24, 2015, 03:58:33 AM
The pain when i wake up is excruciating.  Other than that it's fantastic.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on November 24, 2015, 04:36:58 AM
$2000 for a chair! God damn.
There are cheaper ones. I went with one of the more expensive ones because of shipping time and features. The one I have has a long battery life. During day-to-day use, I only recharge maybe once every 2-3 weeks. It has a 10 hour battery life with a 3 mph speed limit. So that's about 30 miles in one charge.

This is the one I use:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EBXBC4K/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00EBXBC4K&linkCode=as2&tag=lilefo-20&linkId=UBS36HE3JSS7JULD

It's the cheapest I can find for the foldable electric wheelchair. All of them seem to be built similarly from China, so I doubt that it matters which brand you buy. But this one was the cheapest version of it that I could find.

Although it comes with a small mesh basket underneath it, it doesn't have any cup holders, which is a necessity if the cup has no secured lid. This is the cup holder I have on mine:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001YJGDY8/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B001YJGDY8&linkCode=as2&tag=lilefo-20&linkId=2DQBYR6JXP35K2TB

Here's one that's $1400 that I saw someone else use. It needs to be disassembled to fit in a trunk, but it says that it's easy to disassemble. I asked that person how she liked it, and she said it worked great. It also has a 10 hour battery life.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00N501YSE/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00N501YSE&linkCode=as2&tag=lilefo-20&linkId=P5WGG54NGU4C2BMO

The above two ones are very small and have 360 motion. That's what I like about them. You can go almost anywhere a normal person can go without much trouble - except for stairs. The ones that I don't like are the ones where you have to back-up to make a 180 turn. It's very annoying in narrow aisles and hallways. And the loud beeping noises when you reverse is annoying. The ones above don't have annoying beeping noises.

Here's a $670 one that's requires disassembling to fit in the trunk and isn't as narrow and nimble as the other two:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GPGKN4G/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00GPGKN4G&linkCode=as2&tag=lilefo-20&linkId=WNAUTYRO7VMGPTW5

Anyway, I wish I knew about these electric wheelchairs sooner, because I use them every day and they work great. Just freeing up one hand while moving in a wheelchair is a game changer, especially for doors that don't open by themselves. My standard wheelchair gets almost no use from me now.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on November 24, 2015, 04:44:43 AM
After seeing the video of this wheelchair it's going to help me with all the taxi trips to the hospital and back with that convenient folding ability.
If you do end up getting the same chair I bought, here's some tips I learned for the past few months of using it: It doesn't fold and unfold that easily for newbies, so you have to teach them how to do it. You basically just have to tell them rotate the arms rests back, and to push the two black tabs in the back together to unlock the chair and make it foldable. When you unfold it, you just pull it apart without pushing any tabs or anything. Sometimes the smaller gray wheel gets stuck on the wheelchair while folded and prevents the wheelchair from unfolding. This confused a few of my taxi drivers. To fix it, you just have to move the grey wheel so that it is parallel to the chair. If it's slightly tilted, it might block the chair from unfolding.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 24, 2015, 12:43:39 PM
it's coming.  next week :)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 24, 2015, 08:55:25 PM
Is there a way to keep people from stealing it?  They leave our wheelchairs in the waiting room during PT and someone might like it too much and ride off with it.  How did you deal with that?  Take the battery out?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on November 24, 2015, 10:00:54 PM
Is there a way to keep people from stealing it?  They leave our wheelchairs in the waiting room during PT and someone might like it too much and ride off with it.  How did you deal with that?  Take the battery out?
People generally don't steal other people's wheelchairs. I've left a few things in that PT waiting room that's never been stolen before. There's security cameras in that building, and stealing a wheelchair from a handicap person would be a new low for any criminal. But if you want to be careful, I'd say that the battery is the most expensive part of the chair that's removable. There are two sticks of batteries on either side of the chair, and they can be easily removed. Only issue is that the batteries are pretty heavy so it's not like something you can just sling onto a backpack and walk. The easiest way to disable the chair and prevent it from being used is to just take out the joystick controller. It's really light and detachable.

Oh, and some more tips: Don't keep your feet and toes in front of the foot rest when you're close to a wall. There have been a few times when I've squished my toes between the foot rest and some wall, and it hurt a lot - like closing a door on your toe. In general, try not to drive so close to a wall, like in cases of elevators.

Also, the walker they give you isn't easy to carry around with the electric wheelchair. Instead, I have these:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005I5OP6M/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B005I5OP6M&linkCode=as2&tag=lilefo-20&linkId=U52XE3CULK7MI537

I was reluctant to use these crutches because I was scared of falling over, but after using these, I don't use the walker anymore. They're much lighter than the walker (a few ounces vs 9 lbs), and they fit underneath the smart chair. I can't go up and down stairs with the walker, but I can with crutches. Also, I move a bit faster with these crutches than the walker. By putting these crutches underneath my wheelchair, they also act as bumpers to keep myself from hitting the wall with my feet, since the crutches protrude out further than your feet do.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 25, 2015, 03:23:10 AM
thanks . pt always emphasizes that we keep our legs straight out instead of bended for a hamstring stretch.  is this possible with the wheelchair?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on November 25, 2015, 04:38:28 AM
thanks . pt always emphasizes that we keep our legs straight out instead of bended for a hamstring stretch.  is this possible with the wheelchair?
Unfortunately no. I usually rest my legs on a table or chair when I need to keep them straight. I wouldn't recommend sitting on the wheelchair for long periods of time if you don't have a place to straighten out your legs. Usually you can rest your legs on the chairs inside or outside the PT waiting room and on the chairs in the dining hall if you're still at Homewood. Sometimes I rest my legs on one of the bars in the walker if I can't find a chair.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 25, 2015, 05:41:22 AM
good one.  bars of the walker it is.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 25, 2015, 08:17:38 PM
Ok so I was able to rent the wheelchair in Miami for the week.  There is a big design flaw.  Do you have the version with the grey wheels or the black wheels?  After closing up the wheel chair it takes way too much force to open itback up because the rims of the bulkier new grey wheels gets caught on the bottom frame of the chair and requires potentially damaging the battery casing and the frame of the chair.  I'm guessing you have the older version with black wheels because when we tried that there were no issues closing and opening the chair.  I simply can't drop this  much money on something with such a poor design error.  We had the owner of the shop open up another wheelchair and it had the same issue so it wasn't because of a single chair defect.  Other than that the chair is fine but I might have to go with a more expensive one that is a bit better built.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 25, 2015, 08:37:14 PM
I think i'm convinced the manufacturer in China made a recent change to the front wheels of the wheelchair without thinking about how it would affect the opening and closing of the chair and how it fits with the frame.  I'm going to give the main company a call- as opposed to the reseller they referred me to- on friday to see if I can get a unit with the old wheels that seem to open and close with no issue.  Hopefully they still make units with the smaller black wheels.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on November 26, 2015, 05:45:42 AM
Ok so I was able to rent the wheelchair in Miami for the week.  There is a big design flaw.  Do you have the version with the grey wheels or the black wheels?  After closing up the wheel chair it takes way too much force to open itback up because the rims of the bulkier new grey wheels gets caught on the bottom frame of the chair and requires potentially damaging the battery casing and the frame of the chair.  I'm guessing you have the older version with black wheels because when we tried that there were no issues closing and opening the chair.  I simply can't drop this  much money on something with such a poor design error.  We had the owner of the shop open up another wheelchair and it had the same issue so it wasn't because of a single chair defect.  Other than that the chair is fine but I might have to go with a more expensive one that is a bit better built.
Yea, I mentioned this in one of my previous replies. The grey wheel gets stuck if it's tilted, because the screw gets stuck. If it's stuck, the easiest fix is to just untilt the wheel until both of them are parallel again. Make sure that the screw for the grey wheel isn't touching the frame, and it'll unfold easily. The frame/battery won't get damaged.

Also if the chair doesn't fold fully, it's because you have the grey wheels backwards. Rotate them 180 degrees so that the longer part of the screw is on the outside rather than the inside. It's really not difficult to figure out once you know what's up. That's why I warned you that newbies will have trouble unfolding the chair.

I wouldn't recommend getting a smaller wheel. You want more traction. A smaller wheel might have more trouble getting over taller bumps.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 27, 2015, 06:51:58 PM
Ok thanks for the tips.  I researched wheelchairs and there is nothing I can find that has as much positive feedback so I got a black friday special and will be returning my rental on Saturday.  Did you tip the uber drivers extra for sotring the chair for you because I can imagine it being difficult to lift.  BTW do you choose uber XL?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on November 27, 2015, 10:43:42 PM
Ok thanks for the tips.  I researched wheelchairs and there is nothing I can find that has as much positive feedback so I got a black friday special and will be returning my rental on Saturday.  Did you tip the uber drivers extra for sotring the chair for you because I can imagine it being difficult to lift.  BTW do you choose uber XL?
UberX is fine. The chair fits in most trunks once folded. You don't have to tip your Uber driver. It's already included in the fare, and Uber drivers are used to helping people put things in their trunk. The chair is only 50 lbs. That's around the same weight as a large checked-in luggage. If they can't lift it, you can remove the two batteries to separate the weight. If you want to be nice, you can tip your driver extra. They'll remember it if you ever get them again.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 28, 2015, 02:30:19 AM
I've been having some serious pain lately.  Mostly muscle spasms in the left calf and nerve pain in the ankles.  Sleeping more than 2 hours at a time is impossible for the past week.  This is all coming back to the time I asked the doctors about a time release medicine.  I don't think I should feel ashamed for asking for a time release medicine to get an uninterrupted sleep. I really wish Dr.Paley was who we met with on a bi weekly basis rather than his under studies.  They even lowered my oxycodone dosage to 5mg every 6 hours from 5mg every 4 hours without warning me when I got my refill.  It's irritating especially when your someone like me who plays everything by the book and has to deal with agony during the nights.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on November 28, 2015, 02:41:32 AM
I've been having some serious pain lately.  Mostly muscle spasms in the left calf and nerve pain in the ankles.  Sleeping more than 2 hours at a time is impossible for the past week.  This is all coming back to the time I asked the doctors about a time release medicine.  I don't think I should feel ashamed for asking for a time release medicine to get an uninterrupted sleep. I really wish Dr.Paley was who we met with on a bi weekly basis rather than his under studies.  They even lowered my oxycodone dosage to 5mg every 6 hours from 5mg every 4 hours without warning me when I got my refill.  It's irritating especially when your someone like me who plays everything by the book and has to deal with agony during the nights.
No. You DON'T want Dr. Paley for the bi weekly meetings. Trust me on this. He's going to say the same stuff the other doctors will say anyway. But the difference is that Dr. Paley has a 3-6 hours wait. Yes, you heard me right. I had an appointment with him once at 2 pm. I didn't see him until around 6 pm. When I meet with Dr. Packer, it's usually less than an hour wait.

And yes, it sucked when they lowered my Oxy dosage as well. They're going to keep lowering it every 2 weeks. Savor your oxycodone. It's going to be more scarce as time goes on. Try to only take it when you can't bear the pain. For muscle spasms, take valium.

Lack of sleep is a common complaint in the diaries I've read. Sucks that they don't give you Oxycontin. That's what I used to help me sleep at night.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 28, 2015, 02:48:23 AM
The pain is real! Hah I guess I'm really in for the journey of a lifetime.  What I don't understand is when I read peoples diaries like Agrios and he boasts about no pain and no problem sleeping.  How is it possible we got the same surgery?  There is definitely pain in the tibia lengthening and for me it all began during week 3 which was supposedly the time when pain was supposed to subside.  All I can do is become a stronger person, it's tough and I just wish there were more tibia lengthening journals I could refer to for advice. 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on November 28, 2015, 08:01:28 AM
The pain is real! Hah I guess I'm really in for the journey of a lifetime.  What I don't understand is when I read peoples diaries like Agrios and he boasts about no pain and no problem sleeping.  How is it possible we got the same surgery?  There is definitely pain in the tibia lengthening and for me it all began during week 3 which was supposedly the time when pain was supposed to subside.  All I can do is become a stronger person, it's tough and I just wish there were more tibia lengthening journals I could refer to for advice.
I believe it's real. I went through the same pain. Never felt level 10 physical pain in my life until this surgery. And that includes getting hit by a car. Oxy was very rare for me as well, and I was popping those things while the other teenaged patients even STOPPED taking them. So my guess is that the younger you are, the less pain you feel. But even then, it depends on how your body reacts and how much your soft tissues allow you to stretch. Everybody's body is different. Anyway, talk to the doctors about it, and maybe they might let you keep the same dosage amount for the next prescription. Or maybe you'll get lucky and they'll increase your dosage.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 28, 2015, 02:54:38 PM
Hey by the way thanks for all the help. Just want to say I appreciate it.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on November 29, 2015, 01:42:00 AM
Hey by the way thanks for all the help. Just want to say I appreciate it.
No problem. Hang in there. Just keep in mind that the pain will go away once you stop lengthening. Keeping that in the back of my mind was what got me through the whole lengthening. Also, enjoy the Oxy when you take them. You probably will never get any more for the rest of your life. They are some really good legalized highs. That's if euphoria is one of the side effects you have from taking 2 at a time. It was for me, and it was great.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 29, 2015, 02:59:47 AM
I get a bit pain relief but no high yet.  maybe as the pain settles i'll start feeling it.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on November 29, 2015, 07:30:29 AM
I get a bit pain relief but no high yet.  maybe as the pain settles i'll start feeling it.
It's not a high like weed unless you take a high dosage. It's more like a high where you're just really happy and everything just feel alright. You might not notice it when you're high because you probably think it's normal. I only noticed it after I went cold turkey on Oxy - don't ever do that btw. The difference between when I was on Oxy and not was like night and day. When I'm off Oxy, it feels like everyone's against me and I have a very low tolerance for people's behaviors around me. When I'm on it, I feel like I'm in a happy Disney movie where everything's all wonderful and nice. Also to get the high, I took 2 Oxycodones at a time, plus one oxycontin, and plus 2 extra strength tylenols. Oxycontin is 10 mg, so combined with 2 Oxycodones, that's 40 mg total. So for you to get high on Oxy without Oxycontin, you'd probably have to take 3-4 5 mg Oxycodones at once. That might be why they don't give you so much Oxy. The stuff can be highly addictive because the high makes you feel so good. But if you have a high tolerance for it, then it probably will do nothing for you.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 30, 2015, 09:32:27 PM
I feel like I've failed.  Today I went in for a check up after thanksgiving weekend and told Paley about my pain and he told me I was too tight and needed to slow down to .5mm a day until the next check up in 2 weeks.  I also feel like the Paley Center has failed me by not communicating the proper exercises I should have been focusing on.  I've been busting my ass and going through lots of pain and I deserve better communication between the physical therapy team and the doctors.  There is a huge disconnect and it's absolutely frustrating to be in this position.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on December 01, 2015, 02:18:23 AM
Relax dude you got this. You haven't failed; you're still lengthening after all. Take Paley's advice at heart. He knows what he's doing and while it sucks that you are now going slower it's probably the best option. These moments you're going through are gonna be defining moments in your life for better or worst. Don't feel down by this set back and be as cautious as possible.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ghostfish on December 01, 2015, 03:07:19 AM
Hi Iamready

I am sorry about your frustration and huge pain.  But it is not a failure but just going slower than you wanted it to be. While you slow down lengthening, it would be better for you to focus on PT to make muscle more flexible, which may reduce your pain and help you go back to normal speed as soon as possible. 
Hang in there buddy!  Be strong!!

Best,
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: yagen on December 01, 2015, 08:33:33 AM

Cheers Iamready,

Think that is a psychologycal game, more days of lengthening without pain is better, your soft tissues are telling that you have to reducere your ratio.

Take easy, you will able to enjoy your new height a lot of year, dont waste it growing faster.

Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on December 01, 2015, 08:38:58 AM
I feel like I've failed.  Today I went in for a check up after thanksgiving weekend and told Paley about my pain and he told me I was too tight and needed to slow down to .5mm a day until the next check up in 2 weeks.  I also feel like the Paley Center has failed me by not communicating the proper exercises I should have been focusing on.  I've been busting my ass and going through lots of pain and I deserve better communication between the physical therapy team and the doctors.  There is a huge disconnect and it's absolutely frustrating to be in this position.
Don't worry about it. A few other patients including myself have slowed down the lengthening at some point in their lengthening. Slowing down your lengthening will reduce your pain. Also keep in mind that your bone takes the same amount of time to consolidate anyway. So the total length in time spent in a wheelchair probably didn't change even though your lengthening time did.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: yagen on December 01, 2015, 08:45:38 AM

How many days are the max Time period that you can doing lengthening?


Thank you
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on December 01, 2015, 09:13:31 AM
How many days are the max Time period that you can doing lengthening?


Thank you
Depends on how fast you consolidate. Some people's bones grow too fast, so they have to lengthen faster or stop taking calcium supplements. This happened to one of the tib patients while I was here. If the bones consolidate too fast, there's a risk of bone union. Once the bones unite, you can't lengthen anymore without another surgery to break the bone again. In my case, where my bone is growing slower than average, I don't have to worry about bone union. I can lengthen longer. Looking at my x-rays, my bones didn't unite until around 4 months post-op, even though I stopped lengthen 3 months post-op. So I probably could have lengthened at .75 mm per day instead of 1 mm, and still be fine. And that's exactly what I did the last two weeks to give my legs a break. Lengthening when you're really tight is rough.

Looking at iamready's xrays, it doesn't look like his bones are consolidating too fast, so that's why he's allowed to slow down the lengthening and ease up on the pain caused by lengthening. This also allows his soft tissue to catch up to the lengthening.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 01, 2015, 05:06:18 PM
I want to say thanks for the support guys.  This is the second PT of the day for me the bus will be here soon. I'll read all your comments once I am back and moved into my new apartment.  Thanks again.  You guys made my day to see you CARED.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 01, 2015, 11:06:45 PM
Anyone know of any software that can blur faces during videos.  I have a few films to share.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: 53dude on December 02, 2015, 12:22:31 AM
Dude you are my hero, I want to make in both of my segments as well
My I tell you the difference between tibia and femur pain?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on December 02, 2015, 01:27:43 AM
Anyone know of any software that can blur faces during videos.  I have a few films to share.
There's no cheap way to do it. You need something like Adobe Premiere and use motion tracking. Once you figure out how to use it, it's pretty easy. You create an mosaic blur oval over the face, and then you add motion tracking to it. The program will automatically track the face and follow it around. It would probably save you time if you just cropped the video to remove the heads. Or make the video wearing a mask.

I want to say thanks for the support guys.  This is the second PT of the day for me the bus will be here soon. I'll read all your comments once I am back and moved into my new apartment.  Thanks again.  You guys made my day to see you CARED.
That's what I'm here for, buddy. I used this forum in the past to help me get through the rough days by reading the diaries. And now I'm helping out the next set of patients doing the same. Hopefully you'll remember this and stick around to help out the next set of patients when you're done as well. A lot of patients just disappear once they're done and never return to the forums to tell us how things went.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 02, 2015, 03:24:07 AM
Good for you. I'll pay it forward.  Are you sure it's Adobe premier and not after effects? Prob just buy both.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on December 02, 2015, 04:10:49 AM
Good for you. I'll pay it forward.  Are you sure it's Adobe premier and not after effects? Prob just buy both.
Adobe Premiere CC Pro is all you need: https://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/how-to/blur-face-masking-tracking.html

After Effects is overkill for what you're trying to do, but yes, you can do it in After Effects as well.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 02, 2015, 06:40:15 AM
Thanks that helps.  I get my smart chair tomorrow.  Got a black friday special.  Now that i'm settled in my apartment I started using the walker.  Posting a video of me using it to get to the  ter and back to the bed since using the wheelchair in a bathroom is a hassle.  Also Paley told me to use it to exercise my Achilles so i'm ready to use both wheelchair and walker 50/50 at over 4 weeks now.  I'll be posting more videos daily but i'm tired and need the rest before my 9am PT and then 2pm PT.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 02, 2015, 06:57:54 AM
Here's the simplest way to get to the  ter and back.  I just started walking with 1 leg at a time so it's funky but enjoy anyway  :P
https://youtu.be/7ACi4_jtx9o
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on December 02, 2015, 07:06:58 AM
Your video is set to private, so nobody can view it. I think everyone goes to the bathroom using a walker.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 02, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
I just wanted to show how simple it was for people looking to get tibia surgery.  At Homewood Suites the floors were carpet and you could get stuck easily so a few of the guys would park the chair next to the toilet and transfer.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 02, 2015, 12:45:23 PM
Some videos will be tips some will be progress of how well 'm improving.  I'll tell you , the smart chair takes some getting used to.  You can knock some people over like bowling balls if you forget to park that chair and lean on the controls.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: alps on December 02, 2015, 12:54:52 PM
but the video is private. none of us can see it :)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 02, 2015, 01:30:56 PM
Hey Doingitforme I hope I don't seem like a douche for posting these videos.  I'm in no means going through this process comfortably and want to show off I just wish I could have seen more videos of people doing daily things in previous blogs.  This is my contribution bud.  I hope the video is not private now. https://youtu.be/7ACi4_jtx9o

My next video will show how to get in a car from the wheelchair which was something a friend at Homewood Suites requested I record.  I also have a video of an easy way to get into pools. Those will be posted after my two therapies and after picking up my modem from comcast.  My father is only here for a day or two and I need to make the most of him before I spend the next 6 months alone  :D
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on December 02, 2015, 09:31:16 PM
I don't think you're a douche for posting videos at all. I think you're looking great by the way.

Some videos will be tips some will be progress of how well 'm improving.  I'll tell you , the smart chair takes some getting used to.  You can knock some people over like bowling balls if you forget to park that chair and lean on the controls.
I usually turn it off when I don't plan on moving for a while. This way I don't accidentally move the chair.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on December 02, 2015, 09:39:19 PM
You're looking good overall mate. I'm assuming you are putting all your force/weight/pressure on your walker as you move.

Seems like overall good progress. Thank you so much for the videos also they provide great visual representation about how life will be like. Keep them coming!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 03, 2015, 03:58:09 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/AKiMTdP.jpg)
day before op

(http://i.imgur.com/igwtWB0.jpg)
11-25-15  Around .65-75 inch lengthened
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ghostfish on December 03, 2015, 05:07:02 AM
Hi Iamready

You look great!! I thought you can't walk even with walker. Keep it up!  Thank you for sharing your video.  It is quite informative and encouraging.
By the way, you look already taller than your dad! Keep it up! 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: yagen on December 03, 2015, 10:50:39 AM

Nice video, You are getting your goal.

You looks awesome, your upper body is graat.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: 53dude on December 03, 2015, 11:51:11 PM
Great progress dude, I`m thinking on doing quadrilateral in 4-5 years, may you give some details about pain and pain progression so far?
Also, how much time it will take to the day of the surgery until the completion?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: programdude on December 04, 2015, 07:44:54 AM
Sorry that you feel like you're having a bad time.

I remember the unease every time I got an x ray, worried that there was a problem that would slow things down. Just remember, this will all be over eventually. Think of how amazing it will feel, flying back home and being done with it all- your goal realized. You have to have your eye on the prize. I know it is savage and wears on you- but it does end, and it will all be worth it.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 04, 2015, 11:57:06 AM
I agree with you "DOINGITFORME" about not wanting Paley for the 2 week checkups because he is extremely busy and can only dedicate a little time during the visit.  I would much rather him give his time to the beautiful brave children who are being given a chance at a better more comfortable life.  Having said that, if any unusual pains or discomforts arise I will deal with his long wait time to get the proper and safe diagnosis.  Which doctors do you recommend for the 2 week checkups?  My appointment is next Friday with Ms. Packer.  She has been a sweetheart so far and I hope to be able to spend a bit more time with her to look over my x-rays and make sure everything is ok and check my improved flexion. 

Mr. PROGRAMDUDE, thanks for visiting and I wish you a successful and painless recovery. Your bone will be stronger than ever and hopefully you'll be back to charming the ladies of NY in no time.

Things are getting better lengthening at .5 cm a day.  My frustration was how tight I had gotten even though I put so much effort on stretching.  I should have been focusing my energy on my Achilles and not the myriad of exercises I was given by PT.  That's all water under the bridge, we are on the same page now and I think they overestimated my flexibility because they measure me warm.   I didn't know if it was an injury so I played it safe with the stretches.  My body was quick to lose its flex when I had taken a brief breather during my horrifically painful weekend.  Also I went to the prosthetic company that made my flexion brace and made some comfort changes to the boot I have to wear 20 hours a day and had them add padding on the areas of discomfort.  I still get strong cramps on my left leg  while sleeping with them but at least I am wearing them properly.

Here are my most recent x-rays.
Perhaps someone can chime in on the consolidation so I know if it's ok that i'm lengthening a low rate.  Thanks all and enjoy images of my broken legs.  I have sharpened the zoom in of the consolidation x-ray so any of you with experience can chime in.
(http://i.imgur.com/B4a5nIJ.jpg) (http://imgur.com/B4a5nIJ)
(http://i.imgur.com/xk9UGUr.jpg) (http://imgur.com/xk9UGUr)
(http://i.imgur.com/jmqzSBM.jpg) (http://imgur.com/jmqzSBM)
(http://i.imgur.com/ALBylkZ.jpg) (http://imgur.com/ALBylkZ)

I met up with 2 prospective patients.  If you guys are lurking don't be shy and text me with any questions you have.  I only need monitor my business a few hours a day due to my awesome cousin who is busting his ass, and the rest of my time is dedicated to this journey.  He will be rewarded with a Cancun trip once i'm consolidated.  I'll post again soon.  Off to a warm bath and some early morning theraband stretches!


Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on December 04, 2015, 05:07:39 PM
I've only had Dr. Packer for all appointments except for the final one. Dr. Packer handled all my questions just fine. Of course, I was incident free throughout my lengthening, so I didn't need to see Dr. Paley. But if you're having problems, you should go to Dr. Paley.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 05, 2015, 01:29:32 PM
Thanks for the response.

Sorry for no new content.  Today my father leaves me; i'm 32 after all and I focus much better on my own.  Just got finished doing some grueling morning stretches after a warm bath.  I still wake up with a bit of a cramp in the left leg.  It's just the nature of wearing a boot during your sleep and not moving around.  The stretching you do on your own is the most difficult part.  There is no siting back and biting your tongue at pain.  It's you actively pulling yourself to the limit.  When it gets too hard I visualize myself at my goal height, I think of the money I saved up and spent on this operation and then I get that next push of effort to get to the next level.  This message is here to remind you guys of this commitment.  You have to work at it everyday as if you are studying for the bar exam or even a competitive athletic sport you want to place well in.  I'm ready to stretch my right Achilles now and before my father leaves i will post a pic alongside him to show you what an inch taller looks like :)  Peace.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: 53dude on December 05, 2015, 10:03:28 PM
How is the pain going so far? What are the times that you suffered more pain? And what you think that could be done to you to suffer less?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 05, 2015, 10:10:04 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/7WXbjnR.jpg) (http://imgur.com/7WXbjnR)

My father left today.  Here is our latest pic together.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 05, 2015, 10:11:19 PM
Markings on my legs are just markers for the ERC device because I do it by myself now.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 06, 2015, 01:33:41 AM
Ok, so to the person asking about the pain; the truth is that my pain is limited to one leg.  That is my left leg.  My right leg feels as if nothing is happening where as my left feels everything from the lengthening to every second of wearing the dorsiflexion boot.  It's most painful at nights and especially when I wake up because I tend to wake up with cramps in my left calf and some ankle pains.  It's not a comfortable process but I also take the pain  meds as advised, really conservatively and try and suck it up.  The PT sessions are not that painful but the hamstring stretches can get a bit insane; I tend to get rug burn from the towel that they rest my calf on but hey people have parts of their face blown off and live through it so I try to stay strong.  I like to stay close to my place, that's why I chose an apartment at CITYPLACE mall, so that if any special pains arise I am a short distance from a nice warm bath.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 06, 2015, 01:38:27 AM
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Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on December 06, 2015, 01:58:06 AM
If the PTs hurt you with rug burn, let them know. They will adjust accordingly. They're not torturers haha. That's pretty clever what you did to align the device. For me, I just made sure the device was aligned and then I took a sharpie and traced the bottom of the device on my leg. Then each time, I just line it up with the tracing.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 06, 2015, 02:09:23 AM
Oh believe me I tried to get my PT to make the rug burn easy on me but that was a no go.  It's ok though because she is strong as all hell and i'd rather it be her than someone else; the trade off is fair.  I'll probably try your technique when doing the femurs! 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 06, 2015, 02:55:01 AM
I've made a brief video about dealing with painful times and boredom.  It's not great but I get bored and this is therapy for me. Hopefully you enjoy and benefit from it. 
https://youtu.be/piAsh_wsr2s
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on December 06, 2015, 07:23:58 AM
Going down to the pool and binge watching TV shows is what passed my time and kept my mind off the pain. The pool is especially helpful because you can also exercise while in it. I watched all the seasons of Scrubs, Modern Family, and Rick and Morty while in the hotel. Time flies for me now because of it.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 06, 2015, 07:54:41 AM
Man it's been raining cats and dogs this whole week since I moved. I've gone to the jacuzzi despite the rain but the rain has been getting heavy. You can even see me wet in that photo with my father and that's An hour after we got home.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 06, 2015, 09:15:00 PM
Today was the annual 5k Paley Foudation Marathon.   I woke up at 4am to attend but of course came as everyone crossed the finish line.  I was a bit disappointed because I brought my manual wheelchair and wanted to see if I had it in me to make the 5k without assistance.   There was breakfast and we took a group photograph.  I was in front of course.    I decided instead of taking a taxi back to take my wheelchair and the trip was approximately 2 miles back to my apartment. A good portion uphill and some obstacles such as train tracks and vampires but I made it home safely and proudly.  I just got out the spa after stretching and i'm heading out for a burger and perhaps watch the new James Bond Movie.  Good day all. 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Taller on December 06, 2015, 10:49:21 PM
Maybe you could also try learning/playing an instrument. I've found it to be a great way to pass time, gain a fun and challenging skillset, express myself artistically, and manage with physical and emotional pain, turning it into something positive. If I were to do LL (I'm not in any particular hurry to decide get it done, rather I'll do it if "the cards are right"), making music would probably be my main free time activity. And you could still go to music jams and stuff in your wheelchair. Just tell people you broke your pelvis or something along those lines.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Tallexpectations on December 06, 2015, 11:45:18 PM
Taller your name should be musicmaker
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on December 07, 2015, 06:02:49 PM
I'm actually surprised now that they didn't give you Oxycontin even though you're 32. I thought you were in your early 20s for some reason. I'm a few years younger than you and I got Oxycontin. And another patient who is 35 also had a lot of pain and got Oxycontin. I strongly believe that if you're in late 20s and beyond, you'll get tight easily and have a lot of pain. This has been my experience from viewing the other patients while I was there. Only the younger people had little to no pain. Anyway, I hope you're feeling better. Now that I know that you're older, I realize now why you're getting so tight so easily.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 07, 2015, 08:40:16 PM
Yeah,  it's just one of those things i'm going to have to find a way to deal with.   Looking 18 and being 32 has its cons.  They may have automatically assumed i'm a punk kid looking for a high- but in reality my pain can get quite bad.

About music, i'm actually going to buy a keyboard- i believe it's called a controller- that allows you to play music on the computer.  I'm also an artist and I bought several art items I can highlight in a future video.  If I think if something cool to post I will.  I saw The Night Before yesterday and it really raised my spirits until I realized I lost my glasses.  I'm going to have to make a trip to costco and get a new pair :)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on December 07, 2015, 08:56:06 PM
To be fair based on the tone of your voice and your more carefree attitude I also found it surprising that you are 32 years old; I'm guessing I do have a lot to look forward too in my later years.

Anyways, I got two questions. How easy is it to maneuver throughout the places you visit considering you're bound to a chair now? When are you gonna stop lengthening your tibia; would you stop at the "supposed" limit of 5 CM?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 07, 2015, 09:39:04 PM
i'd like to stop at 6.5cm.  I'm doing all that I can, there's no excuse I will accept.  Physical therapy 2 times a day, stretching more than an average patient.  If I don't get past 5 cm I am going to be extremely disappointed because I have gone above and beyond what has been asked of me by the PT and Doctors.  I think the reason I was slowed down to .5cm a day was because my pain was severe and I was horrified that something serious occurred and I eased stretching for a few days.  A few days is all it takes to lose flexibility especially when lengthening everyday.  I chalk it up as a fluke but one thing I am still irritated about is how they are stingy with the pain medicine when it would actually benefit my progress greatly by allowing me to sleep better and stretch harder.  It's not my call and i'm not a doctor but perhaps I will get a better explanation or a solution from them this friday at my 2 week checkup. 

Mobility is not an issue, I have strong arms and have gone 2 miles without issue getting around.  People will help open doors.  I'm surprised that so few places are handicap friendly but we are only a small segment of the population so I accept it.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 07, 2015, 10:52:20 PM
i went to the spa after lengthening and a beautiful girl was there waiting for me. After telling her about my lengthening procedure we started flirting and then the security guard comes on cue and grinches us out of the spa for staying past 5pm.  Anyway, the girl wasn't wierded out at all that I had gone through limb lengthening surgery nor has any other person I have told during this trip.  There aren't many people that I get a chance to talk to but I usually tell people "wanna know how I ended up in this wheelchair."  Just so they know not to feel bad for me and that it was a voluntary procedure.  Really guys, people don't care. Maybe it's my attitude towards it that makes people comfortable with the idea but you should share the same attitude.  Every girl I date will know the first date that we have and I really think you should be honest with your friends and family too with this procedure.  No one has said anything bad. The worst was... why would you do that, you weren't even short.  Which is just something people say to make you feel better.  My starting height of 5 4.5-5 is considered short if you're a rational human being.  Anyway. Just sharing a story.  Before she left she apologized for not giving her name, and I told her i'd see her around.  Back to stretching.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on December 08, 2015, 05:38:22 AM
I very very highly recommend not telling people about the procedure. While the person you tell may be cool with the fact that you did LL, that person might tell someone else you know about it and that other person might not be cool with it. Almost in every diary where people told others, they later regret it when it comes biting them in the ass. Personally, I had friends who were really against LL when I told them about the surgery before I got it. And upon my research on LL, I found other non-LL forums where almost everyone was ridiculing a patient who did LL. I think people's true opinions come out when they can hide behind an internet username. Ever since then, I knew that not everyone is cool with cosmetic surgery. Since you don't know their reactions, it's best not to tell them about the surgery.

It's possible that the people you told just happen to be the few who are cool with it. But it's also possible that they just didn't tell how they really felt about it to your face, since you're in a wheelchair. There's still a stigma around cosmetic surgery. Just pick up any tabloid and you'd see how much they criticize celebs for getting plastic surgery.

But then again, it's your choice. Just don't say that nobody warned you.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 08, 2015, 05:06:02 PM
People talk   about people everyday.  It's part of life.  Worst case scenario; people talk negatively about me behind my back.
I'm still going to be inches taller than I was.  Haters are going to hate.  I respect everyone's opinion on this matter so sorry for pushing my opinion on others but I won't live a lie because people might make fun of me for improving myself.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ortholengthening on December 10, 2015, 05:53:04 AM
You are aiming for 6.5 cm on tibias?  What is your goal for the femur? I was originally under the impression that you will be doing 5 cm in each segment.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on December 10, 2015, 08:07:36 AM
People talk crap about people everyday.  It's part of life.  Worst case scenario; people talk negatively about me behind my back.
I'm still going to be inches taller than I was.  Haters are going to hate.  I respect everyone's opinion on this matter so sorry for pushing my opinion on others but I won't live a lie because people might make fun of me for improving myself.
Personally, I worry about if a girl I'm dating doesn't like the idea of LL and then I lose a potential wife because of it. In the minds of people who never suffered from height discrimination, some think that doing the procedure is crazy. So they associate "crazy" with the LL patients. Knowing that risk, I keep the LL a secret to myself. I don't see much gain in telling people about it. I only see mostly potential losses.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 10, 2015, 12:25:53 PM
It's all good brother. Like I said, I respect your decision.  My opinion is not for everyone but at this point in my life i'm comfortable with telling people.  It may change in the future and i'll let you guys know how it goes when all my lengthening and healing is done and i'm dating.  We'll see how the girls take it.  I'd be glad to share that experience with people. 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Penguinn on December 10, 2015, 01:40:28 PM
I think you shouldn't make the decision of whether to talk about LL with a partner right now. Wait until you've found said partner, and depending on how she is you can choose to tell her or not.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DragonTurtle on December 11, 2015, 02:41:24 AM
Hi Iamready, I have been reading your diary closely - it's very helpful! I am going to be in West Palm Beach on Dec 16 - 17 for my consultation with Dr. Paley. Do you think I could meet with you and see how you are doing?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 14, 2015, 12:19:23 PM
Dragon PM me your number i'd be glad to meet.

here are last Friday's x-rays and a pic of in flats which when all is said dine is all i will wear.  there will be a bonfire for all my boots and lifts and everyone is invited.
(http://i.imgur.com/GUJDo0t.jpg) (http://imgur.com/GUJDo0t)
(http://i.imgur.com/zgIpvrp.jpg) (http://imgur.com/zgIpvrp)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ortholengthening on December 15, 2015, 05:54:07 AM
looking good!
great to see some callus on the x-ray.
nice shoes!

when are you thinking of doing the femurs?
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Post by: Iamready on December 15, 2015, 09:53:24 PM
Thanks Femurs are in Feb once the Tibs are done.
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Post by: 53dude on December 15, 2015, 10:56:08 PM
Great!
How are things going? With the pain and all?
Found new stuff to do already?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 16, 2015, 12:57:54 AM
Pain still sucks.  All I can really focus on is my exercises.  I'm still extending at .05mm a day because it's less painful.  They keep lowering the dose of my pain meds which is annoying because someone I know who is a month into it longer than me and is 6 years younger gets a higher dose.  Just gotta deal with it and become stronger.  I think it might be easier for femur patients because it's the torture boots that cause all the pain.  It's basically a medieval chastity belt for your Achilles tendon and if you loosen it up your parole officer is notified and you go to the clink.
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Post by: 53dude on December 16, 2015, 11:00:46 PM
When the procedure on the tibia ends and how long are you lengthening?
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Post by: Iamready on December 17, 2015, 01:31:20 AM
If my flexibility holds up and i'm allowed to continue at .05mm i'd go to 6.5 but lets get to 5 cm first.  It's a bit ridiculous talking about final goals now since i'm only half way.  Who knows what could happen.  It would take till my next surgery Feb 18 to reach 6.5cm.
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Post by: DoingItForMe on December 18, 2015, 01:20:59 PM
Hate to break it to you but femurs are painful, too. Actually, reading a few diaries of people who did both said that tibia hurts less than femurs.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 23, 2015, 03:20:07 AM
Haven't posted in a while.  Here's an update.
At the end of the video i mention 8 cm don't get confused i'm talking about femurs.
Thanks
https://youtu.be/OaULXgcLL3k
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ghostfish on December 23, 2015, 05:02:37 AM
Hey Iamready

Sorry to hear that you have been suffering from difficulties and frustration in your lengthening.  I really hope you can reach your goal that is over 5 cm hopefully 6 cm.  In any case, you have already achieved quite impressive amount and your achievement is still on going.  So be strong and positive.  You will get where you want to be. 

I also want to tell you that I am quite impressed by your achievements beside ll.  You seem a quite successful business man.  That is great!!  You are still quite young!!  You will enjoy your tall height for a long time!!  I actually envy you that you can do ll at your age. I am getting too old for ll but haven't given it up. 

Hope you have a good holiday.

Just one question for you.  Are those problems from your boots common among other tibia patients?  My feet are also quite likely to have those problems.  My ankles are too big and my legs are bent.  I always have hard time with any boots.  Anyway, no matter what, this will not stop me though.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on December 23, 2015, 05:20:31 AM
Hey Iamready,

Great video man, I mean it. Your insight into your reason for LL are ones that I can appreciate deeply like DITFM.

In regards to your goals, I think doing 5 CM on tibia is a good goal. Many of us here in the forum consider 5 cm on the tibia to be a safe limit; it's one where recovery is solid for the most part. Don't be discouraged by it, get to the 5 CM and don't become so picky over .something of a CM. The payout will come from the femurs.

This sort of brings me a point I've wanted to ask for awhile now but I was scared to ask considering how personal and subjective it can become. But how do you feel in regards to proportions? Considering your goal now seems to be 5+8=13CM, I myself wouldn't do so much because of proportion sakes (even though in regards to each segment, those numbers are good for recovery). I don't mean to sound discouraging but to me personally it does strike me as too much; for some perspective I've basically settled for 8 CM total (4+4) for proportional sake. What's your perspective on it?

Cheers, wish you a good holiday seasons and the best with LL.
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Post by: ouroboros on December 23, 2015, 07:18:53 AM
Appreciate the videos.....feel free to make videos and rant as much as you want.....seeing and hearing you is priceless to gauge how you are really feeling, which you wouldn't be able to describe in 100 pages of text.

Hang in there bro, you've come this far....one day at a time
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Post by: DoingItForMe on December 23, 2015, 02:56:59 PM
You sound a lot like me. Other patients while I was there also got bad news as well. With your work ethic, I believe that you can do 8 cm on your femurs. I'm not much younger than you, and I got to 8 cm because of all the stretching that I did. You may feel like crap now, but it gets much better once you're near completion or finish. You'll be much happier at your new height.
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Post by: Iamready on December 24, 2015, 12:48:53 AM
https://youtu.be/l8AxPg2CrdY
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Post by: PatientZero on December 24, 2015, 01:12:16 AM
Ok, so to the person asking about the pain; the truth is that my pain is limited to one leg.  That is my left leg.  My right leg feels as if nothing is happening where as my left feels everything from the lengthening to every second of wearing the dorsiflexion boot.  It's most painful at nights and especially when I wake up because I tend to wake up with cramps in my left calf and some ankle pains.  It's not a comfortable process but I also take the pain  meds as advised, really conservatively and try and suck it up.

Hey man, just got around to reading your posts. Just wanted to say theres other lengtheners suffering from similar issues across the world this moment.

My right leg has experienced 0 pain since first week in hospital and is breezing through distraction. Left leg had tremendous stretching pains on my abductor and knee, and have also forced me to do 0.5 on some days.

Take those painkillers and overcome!
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Post by: Iamready on December 25, 2015, 01:08:36 PM
Hey guys just downed a bottle of Gatorade after an intense session with my dad.  This is how I am going to get to 5cm.  Hard fking work.  No excuses, just lots of action and lots of results.  Failure is not an option.  This is my last chance.

First video is me in non depressed mode.  Finally you can see me happy and energetic as opposed to neutral or depressed.  The next video is my father exercising me.   It's not perfect form but we are working on it.
Thanks and Merry Holidays
https://youtu.be/Xa_vd20GodE
https://youtu.be/tN1Fwo48Uj0
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: alps on December 25, 2015, 01:15:03 PM
thanks for posting these videos man! really appreciate it!

PT doesn't seem too painful from the video :) I had thought people scream during physio :)

how would you have done that stretch if you were by yourself?
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Post by: Iamready on December 25, 2015, 04:11:52 PM
I imagine femur patients scream during this stretch. The guy next to me yesterday was. I am more of the type of person who tears up at pain. I'm not vocal. I might punch myself or try to redirect the pain that's all.
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Post by: goldenegg on December 25, 2015, 07:52:12 PM
Liking the attitude and videos.  I'm sure if you can keep up that dedication all throughout you'll do awesome.  best of luck man and happy holidays
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 27, 2015, 03:57:10 AM
SAD; this video is in response to your question of how I would do the exercise by myself.
It requires you have a gait belt and a stretch-ez.
Here is a video demonstrating poor technique.  Always keep your legs straight.  The benefit of taping myself is seeing where my form is improper.  Enjoy
https://youtu.be/gtnZGjjSZhA
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on December 27, 2015, 04:30:06 AM
I have to ask you, how's your new living quarters? Do you find it better then Homewood suites (I think that was the hotel)? Also what's day to day life like other there?

I'm curious because from the videos I find that place to seem like a small comfy place to stay at; although it might be depressingly lonely.

(And real quick as of today how many CM total are have you done?)

Thanks for the videos man you're providing an amazing view into day to day life better then a lot of people have.
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Post by: alps on December 27, 2015, 05:49:03 AM
thanks man!

really appreciate it
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Post by: Iamready on December 27, 2015, 03:46:39 PM
To Alu this ones for you.
https://youtu.be/ucke5CSKSZw
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Post by: Iamready on December 27, 2015, 07:03:00 PM
The video cuts off short because the memory card ran out.  I was basically saying that people are apprehensive about getting their tibia lengthened internally because of some rumors of knee pains or complications and that the Paley Institute can really become the go to place for internal tibia if they make some key changes.   I don't know their business plan but if they want to expand their cosmetic limb lengthening business I could sit with them and give them my input in private.  And even at the end of this if they are able to get me to 5cm after all is said and done and I have a successful femur operation which I am sure I will after seeing all the patients come and go with no issues there I would be proud to put a testimonial on their site that despite having a tight Achilles they worked with me to get to my goal, they listened to my input on allowing me a chance to try a custom boot to gain or maintain flexibility and I went on to safely lengthen my femurs.  This is the institute I chose.  I am sticking with my choice.  And I look forward to a complication free femur Lengthening. 

Good Day all and it's time for stretches.
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Post by: Alu on December 27, 2015, 07:12:51 PM
Sweet thanks for input on your perspective mate. Keep it up!

Also did I type D? I meant vagina   ::)
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Post by: Iamready on December 27, 2015, 07:14:25 PM
I made the video private because ALU saw it and I realized I was ranting too much and didn't like the negative vibe.  The gist is that if you want to be around people who are in a similar experience as yourself stay at home wood suites.  If you are a loner or have an easy time with the operation- for example someone looking for an easy goal of 5cm on femurs by all means move into an apartment but all said and done I regret moving to an apartment because I thought I was going to have a easy breezy time lengthening and unfortunately life didn't unfold that way.
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Post by: Iamready on December 30, 2015, 04:03:22 AM
Quick Update:
Got my casts redone today because I think it's something they remove and check on a weekly basis.  All is good and i'm continuing lengthening. Hopefully to 5cm.  Here are some pics.  One is of me in the wild, you can see was an added 3.8cm looks like.  The other is my morning routine before I go to pt.  I use 2 Stretch-EZ and a Gait Belt around my midsection.  I also use my arms to pull for added force.  The main drawback of being in a cast is you may get tight knees so you counter it by straightening your knees with exercises such as this. Sorry about the dildos in the background.  All Christmas presents I swear.
 Enjoy and happy new year.
(http://i.imgur.com/Wl7U0e3.png) (http://imgur.com/Wl7U0e3)
(http://i.imgur.com/OpnAnc6.jpg) (http://imgur.com/OpnAnc6)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on December 30, 2015, 04:37:23 AM
I can see you at least got creative when covering your face...

Anyways it still amazes me how relatively normal legs can look even as you're mechanically lengthening them. Keep it up!
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Post by: alps on December 30, 2015, 06:07:10 AM
your femurs seem more atrophied than your tibiae.
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Post by: Ghostfish on December 30, 2015, 06:11:10 AM
Hi Iamready

Thanks for your videos, photos, and answers.  They are so helpful and very inspiring.
I really hope you can reach your goal!  Happy new year!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 30, 2015, 12:30:56 PM
Both femurs and and tibia are skinny as they'll ever be. But believe me my thighs are lean and strong right now from all the exercises I have been doing.  I also use a muscle simulator on my quads.  They are just skinny but I'd say with the cast the muscles in my tibia have been weakened and when they stretched me for the first time when they took the cast off I felt the difference.  I also build muscle very quickly because of the makeup of my body so it will be interesting to keep you guys posted on the recovery of my tibia's while I do my femur.  I'm even worried if the lean muscle on my thighs that I have been developing will cause me more pain during the lengthening.  Keep posted!
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Post by: Peaceout on December 30, 2015, 09:20:57 PM
Watched all videos,great diary!
So when will you stop lengthening tibias, after like 10-15 days from now?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 31, 2015, 12:24:42 AM
Could be any time from a week to over a month.  Basically the cast keeps my dorsiflexion from going below zero.  If I can withstand the casts, I can continue lengthening at .25mm a day, making me 5mm taller exactly the day before my femur operation- Feb 18.
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Post by: Iamready on January 03, 2016, 04:45:28 AM
2 new vids up to start the NEW YEAR.
https://youtu.be/2izJSim8dIM
https://youtu.be/h6T3g_uXyjc
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: blahblah on January 04, 2016, 04:30:50 AM
I F*cking knew it!!!!! vampires do exist!!!!!!! ;P I commend you my friend for staying true to yourself.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Peaceout on January 04, 2016, 07:09:09 PM
Im glad you are doing better.I have the same thoughts with you,i would be honest about this with people around me.I mean i didnt choose my f*cking genes.And now im trying to improve myself :P
And im wondering something abou your proportions,what is your wingspan?(since your goal is not a small amount)
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Post by: ortholengthening on January 04, 2016, 07:47:23 PM
props to you for being honest and strong.

how many weeks has it been since your surgery and how many cm have you gained thus far?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 05, 2016, 08:24:03 PM
Im glad you are doing better.I have the same thoughts with you,i would be honest about this with people around me.I mean i didnt choose my f*cking genes.And now im trying to improve myself :P
And im wondering something abou your proportions,what is your wingspan?(since your goal is not a small amount)

I don't know what my wingspan is. I'm not really a proportion nazi.  I'm just trying to get taller.  If my arms look short so be it, i'm sure there will be internal arm lengthening and I could get that fixed later. 

I also have very large hands and feet, but to be honest I never even look at people's arms and compare it to their bodies.  I guess if I start looking in the mirror and notice my arms looking like a t-rex I always could stop the lengthening. 

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Post by: Iamready on January 05, 2016, 08:26:27 PM
props to you for being honest and strong.

how many weeks has it been since your surgery and how many cm have you gained thus far?

It's been a little over 2 months and i'm only 1.6 inches taller because they are lengthening me at the slowest rate possible because of how tight I am.  The femurs may be quicker but I can't see into the future. I may have to lengthen the femurs at a slow rate as well.  Most people would be around 2 inches or more taller in the tibias at this point.
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Post by: yagen on January 06, 2016, 02:49:39 PM
What is the lowest rate?
Thank you
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 06, 2016, 02:58:28 PM
LowesT rate of lenghtening is .25mm a day. The risk is consolidation may occur so this Friday I'll get my X-ray and report back if I can continue lenghtening.
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Post by: yagen on January 06, 2016, 03:17:58 PM
Cheers!!!!
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Post by: Peaceout on January 06, 2016, 05:48:13 PM
I guess if I start looking in the mirror and notice my arms looking like a t-rex I always could stop the lengthening.
I guess thats a good plan. :)
But for arm lengthening i cant say the same thing.We are in 2016 alredy.CLL is here for like 15-20 years but I didnt even see 1 cosmetic arm lengthening diary yet..Maybe with todays techonology its way too dangerous
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Post by: Deads on January 06, 2016, 06:10:45 PM
I guess thats a good plan. :)
But for arm lengthening i cant say the same thing.We are in 2016 alredy.CLL is here for like 15-20 years but I didnt even see 1 cosmetic arm lengthening diary yet..Maybe with todays techonology its way too dangerous

People generally couldn't be bothered with arm lengthening. The only people who would desperately need it are those who have done 2 surgeries. After that, who the hell wants to go through a 3rd surgery. You're hard strung to find people who are willing to do 2 of these surgeries let alone 3. Someone with a lot of time, money, dedication and an obsessive concern with their proportions are the only ones. Not many people have all four of these things (no one yet at least). Doctors can lengthen the humerus without any troubles so it's not a technology thing.
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Post by: PatientZero on January 06, 2016, 07:50:20 PM
I guess thats a good plan. :)
But for arm lengthening i cant say the same thing.We are in 2016 alredy.CLL is here for like 15-20 years but I didnt even see 1 cosmetic arm lengthening diary yet..Maybe with todays techonology its way too dangerous

There's been a few arm lengthening cases, one guy did external humerus with Paley for a real discrepancy not cosmetic.

Also, old forum admin who infamously did both lower limbs to extreme amounts also did humerus lengthening with Betzbone, heard he got a bone infection.

Like the argument between femur vs tibia, the humerus is safer than the ulna/radius 'cuz its one bone to break and theres more muscle and less tendons to stretch.
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Post by: LLuser1 on January 06, 2016, 08:12:35 PM
Hope you get a good result at the end. Good luck. You are in good hands.
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Post by: Iamready on January 07, 2016, 03:25:32 AM
Yeah either way, if I don't reach my goal this time around I'll be back for round two next year.  Safety is the key.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on January 10, 2016, 12:28:09 AM
I don't know why I forgot to respond to your latest videos but oppss lol.

First off, yes the way you pronounce my name is AH-LU. It's not my real name obviously it's a simplified version of one of my favorite anime characters.

Second, I admire your bravery to be open about LL with others. I have my own fair-share of reason why I won't ever disclose LL to people who aren't my family members, Soul Mate, and my closest of friends. My advice to you, though, is to be absolutely careful with whom you disclose this information too; being proud of it is fine, but being too talkative might hurt you later.

Lastly, so how's everything going for you now? Confident you can reach 5cm?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: LLSomeDay on January 10, 2016, 07:09:56 PM
Hey Iamready ;).
I have been following your diary. I appreciate it.
After gaining 1.6 inches, do you feel toughness or any pain in your achilles tendons and muscles?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 11, 2016, 12:29:52 AM
New vid.  Unfortunately Alu, because of my cast being done improperly or not taken off in time and redone it seems I am stuck at 4.2 cm.  It's all good.  I don't think I would be satisfied with 5 either so coming back next year may have been the better plan anyway. 
LL someday I have no aches or pains whatsoever but I am also not walking or doing anything athletic so I think it's hard to determine at this point.  Personally I think at 1.6 inches i'll have a quick and healthy recovery, it's usually the people who max out who have the tightness.  Enfkingjoy
https://youtu.be/CDss9oazdB4
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on January 11, 2016, 02:58:57 AM
In hindsight, I think recovery is more important than an extra inch or few cm. I thought the other patients were screwed over because they stopped at 7 cm instead of 8 cm like I did. But the ones who stopped at 7 cm are having a better recovery than I am, so now I regret pushing myself to the limit.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 11, 2016, 03:06:29 AM
Well, I really hope and i'm rooting that everything goes great for you.  Was there a point where you felt things were getting tough and it might give you trouble in recovery?
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Post by: DoingItForMe on January 11, 2016, 01:53:18 PM
Well, I really hope and i'm rooting that everything goes great for you.  Was there a point where you felt things were getting tough and it might give you trouble in recovery?
Around 5-6 cm, things were getting really tight, and I felt like my legs were not having the same range of motion as it did before. I thought that with stretching, I could get back the range of motion. And for the most part, I did recover a lot of it. But I don't think tendons can be stretched as much as muscles can, and my tendons are holding me back from my previous range of motion. My quality of life has diminished a bit because of it, because things like certain sxx positions are now harder for me to do and I can't really play sports competitively anymore because of my diminished stamina and RoM in my legs. When you come back and do femurs, you might want to keep this in mind. I think if I could turn back time, I might have just done 6 cm in my femurs and do around 4-5 cm in the tibias. Or better yet, if I could turn back time, I'd have done this surgery when I was in my teens. But at this age and yours, I don't think it'll be easy to recover from 8 cm in the femurs. The final two cm don't seem as worth it if it means the difference between having normal range of motion and not.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 11, 2016, 07:31:07 PM
Thanks for your response.  Here is some good news.
https://youtu.be/fxrgBHSrwYw
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on January 12, 2016, 02:08:35 AM
Congrats on the good news. I hope you get to 5 cm as you wanted to. And good choice not going the full 8 cm if your body tells you to stop. I'll keep you updated on how my 8 cm in my femur recovery goes. Reading the other diaries, it appears that I'm following the same path as ProgramDude's slow recovery, who also did 8 cm in the femurs. In his diary, he wasn't walking normally until almost 9 months post-op and his stamina didn't return until around 11 months post-op. He also had pains in my legs for months after he stopped lengthening, and he also attributed it to muscle weakness. I'm currently at 6.5 months post op. I think with 2-5 more months of training, I could get my walking/stamina back to almost normal. I do see progress, so it's not like I'm permanently like this (fingers crossed). I just think it's ridiculously slow compared to the other patients who only went to 7 cm and are walking up and down stairs by now.

I read Cooper's diary, and he only did 6.9 cm and was back to playing tennis after a few months. He also complained that tightness appeared at the 5 cm mark. So I see a trend where 7 cm or less tend to recover much faster than 8 cm. If time isn't that big of an issue for you, then I think 8 cm is possible. It just will probably add month(s) to your recovery time. I think our age also adds a month or so to our recovery time.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ortholengthening on January 12, 2016, 05:41:49 AM
It's great that you've lengthened 4 cm!

I'm not sure what you total goal for lengthening is but,
have you considered stopping there on tibia, and lengthening femur to like 7 cm?
considering that with femur you can lengthen at a faster rate (0.75 - 1.00 mm / day)?

might be better than trying for 5 cm tibia (doing 0.25 - 0.50mm/day) and 6 cm femur.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 12, 2016, 10:30:47 PM
I think proportionally, 5 cm and 7cm is fine.  My surgery for my femurs is not until next month so continuing lengthening at a slow rate is fine for now.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on January 13, 2016, 12:00:19 AM
I say keep lengthening your tibia until the day of your surgery. Keep track of it and just go at it slowly: whether you get, you get.

Once you do the femurs and get to 5 CM I would caution even you to think more about how you look in front of a mirror. But we'll cross the bridge when we get there.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: axelf on January 14, 2016, 10:21:38 AM
hey iamready,

I have a question for you! do you know any patients that experienced (significant) hairloss during the whole procedure because of surgery stress and/or medication?
I have heard from a couple of patients from different doctors about that but no doctor seems to acknowledge.

btw: your hair looks fine  ;D
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 15, 2016, 10:03:37 PM
Well, someone warned me that I was going to lose hair during the process and I haven't yet.  BUT i am on rogaine and finesteride so that may be the reason why it didn't get to me.  I just recovered from getting food poisoning so today was the first time I tried lengthening .05mm.  I did them back to back and I didn't feel any pains so now i'm all paranoid that I've consolidated.  Luckily the x-rays are next Wednesday and we shall see.
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Post by: Alittletooshort on January 15, 2016, 10:22:54 PM
This is kinda off topic but I have to ask, are you really 31 years old??  ??? You look waaay younger I actually though you were my age and I´m 20.
Good luck with your lengthening man!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Deads on January 16, 2016, 01:13:40 AM
Well, someone warned me that I was going to lose hair during the process and I haven't yet.  BUT i am on rogaine and finesteride so that may be the reason why it didn't get to me.  I just recovered from getting food poisoning so today was the first time I tried lengthening .05mm.  I did them back to back and I didn't feel any pains so now i'm all paranoid that I've consolidated.  Luckily the x-rays are next Wednesday and we shall see.

I would cease use of finastride. Too many stories of men permanently losing their libido.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: patientdad on January 16, 2016, 03:43:15 AM
I would cease use of finastride. Too many stories of men permanently losing their libido.

Ditto on this.  Finasteride will absolutely knockout testosterone.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on January 16, 2016, 05:30:25 AM
I don't have any hair loss even without using chemicals. In fact, I grew out my hair. You might want to try just leaving your hair alone.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Deads on January 16, 2016, 07:42:55 AM
What makes you lose your hair while lengthening?
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Post by: patientdad on January 16, 2016, 09:07:39 AM
My son didn't lose any hair.  I don't know where this comes from.
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Post by: alps on January 16, 2016, 09:38:57 AM
I think if you're already balding, you might lose hair a little faster because of stress etc.

Otherwise even if you shed due to stress, it's not like it's permanent. It will come back. I guess iamready is using them because he was already on them from before?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Peaceout on January 16, 2016, 10:08:44 AM
I would cease use of finastride. Too many stories of men permanently losing their libido.
Very scary  :o
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Post by: Taller on January 18, 2016, 01:50:35 AM
What's your secret to looking so young? You look 20.
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Post by: yagen on January 18, 2016, 09:00:03 AM
Ditto on this.  Finasteride will absolutely knockout testosterone.

I have been taking finasteride and dutasteride for more than 10 years and my libido is the same It depends on the individual.

Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Deads on January 18, 2016, 09:08:22 AM
I have been taking finasteride and dutasteride for more than 10 years and my libido is the same It depends on the individual.

Side effects vary per person, but I still wouldn't want to risk my libido for anything haha.. Especially because of the high number of reported cases. If it was an extremely rare side effect, I would take it, but it's very common.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 19, 2016, 03:05:34 AM
You guys are tripping.  I've been taking finesteride since 22 and I it hasn't affected me.  My test levels were still high last I had them tested.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 19, 2016, 03:08:45 AM
I have been taking finasteride and dutasteride for more than 10 years and my libido is the same It depends on the individual.

Honestly it's a genetics thing.  Because I sleep very little, drink a lot, use no skin care; my face just stopped getting older, I don't know what's up.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Deads on January 19, 2016, 03:42:01 AM
You guys are tripping.  I've been taking finesteride since 22 and I it hasn't affected me.  My test levels were still high last I had them tested.

I was going to start taking it but didn't after reading so much bad stuff about it... My doc is pretty laxed with prescribing me pretty much anything I want but he warned me against it (although he said I could have it if I wanted to). I did some reading and got scared away.

Why'd you start taking at 22?? I'm 25 and have a receding hairline. It isn't too bad but by the time I'm 30 I don't know how I'll fair.
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Post by: Iamready on January 20, 2016, 06:30:10 PM
Hair starting losing its thick texture. I used to be able to fro it up without any products. I noticed what was happening and jumped on it quick. I still had recession even though I took prospecia but it definitely slows things down.
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Post by: DoingItForMe on January 20, 2016, 11:49:15 PM
Honestly it's a genetics thing.  Because I sleep very little, drink a lot, use no skin care; my face just stopped getting older, I don't know what's up.
You probably have the gene that lets you age slower. I probably have that gene, too, because my face has been the same for the past 10 years.

Also, do you stay indoors a lot? I think being out in the sun ages people faster. There was a case where a 69 year old trucker looked older on one side of his face vs the other side. The side that was exposed to the sun while he was in his truck was the side that aged faster.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: chineseguy on January 23, 2016, 01:16:56 PM
howlong does it take to complte four legs to recovery?

how long are your arms from left to right?
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Post by: Iamready on January 29, 2016, 01:54:46 AM
I spend a lot of time outdoors and my car is a convertible but I suppose I would look younger if I stayed inside more. 

I don't know my arm wingspan, they never measured it.  I'm not really the person to ask about proportions because I don't really care much about it unless I start looking like a T REX.  Recovery time to start walking will probably be 3 months after I stop lengthening.  It varies person to person so that's a tough thing to estimate. Anyways, here's an update for anyone interested.
https://youtu.be/EtbXE5jIU2Y
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on January 29, 2016, 04:30:45 AM
Sweet video cut bro. lol

I will say if anything you should probably try to learn to video edit, or any other computer related task.

Wishing you well. Oh and make sure you respond to that PM I send ya.
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Post by: ortholengthening on January 31, 2016, 08:24:09 PM
it's great that you've hit 4.2 cm!
by the time you do your 2nd surgery you should be at 5 cm for tibia, and who knows how much more you'll gain with femurs
that'll all be bonus!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 31, 2016, 10:49:29 PM
I think i'm at 4.5 cm now and in a few weeks i'll be at 5cm.
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Post by: TIBIKE200 on January 31, 2016, 10:53:09 PM
I think i'm at 4.5 cm now and in a few weeks i'll be at 5cm.

two questions:
1) How much do you lengthen a day?
2) If you are doing tibia internals, arent you afraid of permanent knee pain?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on February 01, 2016, 12:27:31 AM
I lenghten .50mm a day.  As far as knee pain, I think that once the rods are out I can't imagine a scenario or a reason why my knees would hurt. 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on February 01, 2016, 12:29:03 AM
I lenghten .50mm a day.  As far as knee pain, I think that once the rods are out I can't imagine a scenario or a reason why my knees would hurt.

 Did dror Paley tell you of his success rates with cosmetic lengthenings? When I say success I mean people who after they finished the lengthening fase, made a good consolidation and today are 90-100%
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on February 01, 2016, 01:04:08 AM
I don't know what the exact stats are and I'm sure he will say people who followed his instructions recover 100% but I can say that he is really on top of things as far as keeping you from leaving the Paley Institute in a situation that could lead to long term issues.  For example, he won't allow you to continue lengthening if you get ballerina foot.  Or if you opt to continue lengthening you must get a muscle release before you leave. 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on February 01, 2016, 04:01:40 AM
Did dror Paley tell you of his success rates with cosmetic lengthenings? When I say success I mean people who after they finished the lengthening fase, made a good consolidation and today are 90-100%

There is one...Iamready check your PM  :)
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Post by: Iamready on February 02, 2016, 03:07:01 AM
Thanks Alu.
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Post by: Alu on February 02, 2016, 04:18:33 AM
NP, PM if you have any problems.
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Post by: Iamready on February 06, 2016, 10:17:24 PM
Something horrible happened today.  I was coming back home from getting groceries and I was on the sidewalk all the sudden the sidewalk was crooked and my wheels skid and i fell off the sidewalk with the wheelchair falling on me.  I landed pretty bad on my right foot.  There are no visible breaks or bends but only time can tell, I came down on it pretty hard considering the curb was at least a foot high.  I know it seems dramatic but i'm pretty shaken up by the incident and I hope everything comes out ok in the x-rays.  I will have to wait till monday morning until the Paley Institute is open and I will update.  Right before I went out I took a picture of myself with a 5cm gain on my tibias.  I just hope I didn't lose any height from the fall,
(http://i.imgur.com/xAdO4jL.jpg)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on February 07, 2016, 03:05:17 AM
https://youtu.be/Z6YCKV7-6VM
https://youtu.be/an7_G2RXOf8
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Post by: Vendetta113 on February 07, 2016, 03:18:40 AM
Wooo! Finally an update  8)
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Post by: Alu on February 07, 2016, 04:00:12 AM
Hey thanks for the update! It's always good to hear from you. Don't worry to much about the ranting, I know LL can be psychologically challenging so vent as much as you need to mate. Remember we are here for ya, and Vitruvius is also if you need to take to someone on the other side.

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Post by: Ghostfish on February 07, 2016, 04:22:15 AM
Hi Iamready

Thank you for your updates and new videos.  I have read and watched everything, although I haven't written here recently.

sorry that scary incident happening to you but glad that it seems ok.  Hope you can find out everything fine after X-ray. 

I am also very inspired by your journey and excited to see your whole process of QLL, since I would also want to do the same, although it would be not as much as yours. I bet many other members have been inspired by you. 

Take care and good luck!!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on February 07, 2016, 04:30:13 AM
Thanks for watching and I will defintely keep you guys posted as soon as I get word of my condition post x-ray!
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Post by: Iamready on February 07, 2016, 06:51:17 PM
https://youtu.be/Qk-Ow7EElP8
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Post by: LLuser1 on February 07, 2016, 09:47:31 PM
Hi man! Let us know about your X-rays and Paley's opinion. I'll be praying for you.
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Post by: TIBIKE200 on February 07, 2016, 10:00:31 PM
A question that might seem stupid. But when you stood up with the 5cm gain. Did you feel/see a big difference in height? I mean, did you feel alot taller at 5'7?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: yagen on February 08, 2016, 07:27:21 AM

Take care and good luck!!

You are awesome, I can not imagine your effort with two legs. One for me is hard!!!

Keep on fighting!!
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Post by: Iamready on February 08, 2016, 06:25:56 PM
Thanks for the well wishes.
About the height difference.  Visually I definitely notice a difference that wasn't even there when I wore lifts because my legs look longer instead of a tall shoe and short legs.  I also do feel taller and I address it with more detail in my video below.  Thanks again all.
https://youtu.be/8hgcpTdUcIw
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: willsa on February 09, 2016, 02:27:25 AM
I made an account just to say this is the best, most informative thread I've read. These videos are excellent and I like that you talk about the good and the bad, you don't paint a rosy picture, and seeing a video transmits so much more information than any amount of text could. Please keep it up, will be watching. Thanks,
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Post by: Iamready on February 09, 2016, 05:19:52 AM
Thank you. I appreciate that you took the time to create an account to say that to me. 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: chineseguy on February 09, 2016, 12:23:04 PM
how many cm do you plan to lengthen?   how painful is it?    are you going to do upper leg too?     
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Post by: Vendetta113 on February 09, 2016, 04:26:53 PM
how many cm do you plan to lengthen?   how painful is it?    are you going to do upper leg too?   


Yep hes doing upper leg. Its quadrilateral lls after all. I think hes doing 5 + 5.
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Post by: Iamready on February 09, 2016, 05:32:44 PM
I had pain for the first month.  Lots of pain and then it slowly disappeared.  I'm going for as many centimeters on the femur as my nerves will allow.  That's the main thing that can stop a patient doing both segments back to back because you can't stretch a nerve too much.
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Post by: ortholengthening on February 10, 2016, 05:49:42 AM
i know exactly what you are talking about in your videos with the lifts.

are you at 5.5 cm now?
you should be getting close to doing your femurs soon.
when will you have your second surgery?

what date did you have your first surgery?

you are living out your dreams man
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Post by: Iamready on February 10, 2016, 06:14:57 AM
I find out tommorow what cm I am at. My math says 5cm. The doc said I was a hair under 5 cm last Wednesday but I don't buy it because the numbers didn't add up to my math. I should have been at 4.7 and 5cm at our next meeting. I'll most likely be around 5.2 when done. My surgery began at the end of October around halloween and because of all the issues it took till now to get to 5 cm. my femur operation is next Thursday.
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Post by: TIBIKE200 on February 10, 2016, 06:19:36 AM
Thx for responding to my question in your video :)

 Good luck with your femur operation :)

 n.b update on how you felt the difference when you dad will come
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Post by: Tiger5 on February 10, 2016, 09:18:03 PM
Hey Iamready, I am a new poster and relatively a new member; the site still counts me as "visitor" until I earn the "Rite of Passage".  I echo what others have expressed about you,  your diaries, videos, sincerity are beyond anything any one can expect.  From the comments of others concerning your entries, you've not only inspired your readers but also earned a lot of respect that can only be achieved by true leaders.
I am going to be in the WPB area around the 3rd week of February and would be glad to help you in your recovery of your subsequent surgery.
T
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Post by: Iamready on February 14, 2016, 12:25:17 AM
Tiger5. What you wrote means a lot to me. I have some videos I will be uploading shortly.  My father is with me now so in the meantime....
(http://i.imgur.com/CRxPj6k.jpg) (http://imgur.com/CRxPj6k)
For some reason in all the pictures my dad leaned his shoulder towards me.  I don't think it makes a difference and my legs are opened so it probably evens out the error.  But anyway I will retake the photo for accuracy.

Btw there's a funny easter egg in the pic.
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Post by: TIBIKE200 on February 14, 2016, 12:37:25 AM
Holy sh*t! 2 inches is so much! And looking at your tibias before and after pics, there isnt a real notticeble difference :D Congrats on your progress so far! I wish you a continued easy lengthening :)
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Post by: ouroboros on February 14, 2016, 12:52:02 AM
These are the best mock up pictures yet ;)

I agree with TIBIKE about 2 inches being a lot.... your entire upper body looks more menacing because of the height gained
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Post by: Alu on February 14, 2016, 01:45:12 AM
That seems like more then two inches to me honestly.
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Post by: Iamready on February 14, 2016, 01:53:49 AM
Might be some height from my back because I don't spend time sitting in front of a computer all day anymore nor do I stand up much.  Food for thought.  Also on my right ankle there is a bulge, that's just a pad I put there for comfort.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ouroboros on February 14, 2016, 02:25:18 AM
Food for thought.  Also on my right ankle there is a bulge, that's just a pad I put there for comfort.

Glad you clarified that.  I was under the impression that Paley had you under house arrest.
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Post by: MirandaProcerusa on February 14, 2016, 03:34:42 AM
Wow, you look great! I agree, you look so much taller with just the two inches. What is the easter egg in the pic?
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Post by: Ghostfish on February 14, 2016, 04:05:28 AM
Hi Iamready

Thanks for your photos.  This is amazing to see how 2 inches makes a huge difference in height. 
You looked a little shorter and smaller than your dad before.  But now you look much taller and even wider than your dad.  You look like 6-7 cm taller than dad.  This is just fantastic!!  I can't wait to see this comparison again after you finish your femurs (perhaps 7 cm or more?).
I wish you reach all your goal in cll!! 

Take care, man
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Post by: chineseguy on February 14, 2016, 04:10:40 AM
wow      you look more handsome now with your new height
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Post by: Iamready on February 14, 2016, 04:59:13 AM
Thanks for the comments!
 
If you don't like long videos or have a short attention span skip to the second video because that's where I talk about how my new height has affected me.  The first is story telling.
https://youtu.be/u6gjxQYilII
https://youtu.be/pzDKR3pObf4
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on February 14, 2016, 09:06:42 AM
people who say that 2 inches (5cm) is not much... It's the difference between 5'10 to 6 foot or 177 to 182cm.. It is alot.
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Post by: Tiny on February 14, 2016, 09:48:00 AM
You look awesome! Do you plan on joining a boy band after?  :P

Best wishes,
Tiny
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Post by: TIBIKE200 on February 14, 2016, 01:36:28 PM
Hey, did you measure yourself to be sure that you indeed added 2 inches (5cm) to your height and not more? Because indeed it looks like you gained more height. It could also be that your dad's posture was not straight thus giving the illusion that you are much taller compared to him than before.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on February 14, 2016, 02:28:30 PM
We will take more pics Thursday morning once i'm done lengthening before the surgery, because it's not like i'm going to get any sleep.  I think it's really just that two inches is bigger than we think because when I was just one month into the surgery i was visibly taller.  I'm probably around 2.15 inches now.  Check back in the images you'll see how I compared to my dad a month in.
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Post by: Iamready on February 14, 2016, 02:33:30 PM
TiBike 200 Check out page 4 for a pic of me 1 month in. That was right before they slowed me to a halt.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: chineseguy on February 14, 2016, 03:05:45 PM
HI

Why didnt you choose the external for tibia?  I read that external better for tibia.  so why choose internal?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on February 14, 2016, 03:12:51 PM
TiBike 200 Check out page 4 for a pic of me 1 month in. That was right before they slowed me to a halt.

 If I understand correctly, that pic of you on page 4, you are the same height as you are in the pic of this page? Or at the pic on page 4 you were 2 inch and now you are more? I am a bit confused sorry
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Post by: Iamready on February 14, 2016, 03:35:48 PM
That's me with less than an inch of lengthening and poofy hair.  The photos on this page are of me with 2 inches of lengthening.  The only thing I can do is provide updated pictures whenever my dad visits me and when I'm done with the femurs.  Whether or not 2 inches looks like 2 inches is besides the point because I don't have an official Olympic committee that can measure everything with 100% accuracy :).  The Dr. at the Paley Center measured me last Wednesday and said I was at 5.2 cm. So when I took this pic I was at roughly 5.4 cm-2.126 inches.  I downgraded to 2 because I like to be conservative and I didn't think this would blow up.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on February 14, 2016, 03:38:51 PM
HI

Why didnt you choose the external for tibia?  I read that external better for tibia.  so why choose internal?

Because I trust the Paley institute in their decision to use an internal device for the Tibia. I chose them for my surgery so I stuck with their game plan.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: axelf on February 14, 2016, 04:22:08 PM
hey pal,

I have a question for you that might have already been asked pages ago but I don't have an overview.

Probably you must have seen several patients getting their rods taken out or just coming for a general check after the whole procedure including rods taken out. What kind of recovery have you seen? (I know this only concerns the recovery in terms of everyday function and not atheltic ability)
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Post by: ortholengthening on February 14, 2016, 07:41:04 PM
pictures are looking amazing
i'm excited for your surgery on thursday
keep on reaching your dream
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Post by: MirandaProcerusa on February 14, 2016, 10:16:38 PM
Iamready, your videos are amazing. Very inspiring! Would love to do internal lengthening as well! Good luck and hope everything gets even better with you.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Tiger5 on February 15, 2016, 11:45:27 PM
Hello Iamready,
Were you able to drive at all?
I recall in one of your posts, you were going to display how to get into cars and so forth; however I don't recall seeing that video
Are others driving while lengthening?
Thanks again 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on February 16, 2016, 01:57:25 AM
I could get in an out of cars because of my strength and fearlessness but I never drove one because how the fk would I put my wheelchair in the car.  Anyways i'm so done... They tell me today that while they do my femurs they need to do an additional operation to straighten out my tibias because the fibulas consolidated sooner and caused it to curve... or some ish like that.

It's symmetrical, but who really knows the real reason they ended up this way, or why they didn't catch it sooner. I recall Paley noticing that the fibula was lagging behind the tibia way back maybe a month but he said it was fixable.  I didn't realize fixable meant an additional operation out of pocket.  It is what it is.   
 
Nothing comes easy.  I'll fill you guys in if the operation doesn't kill me.  For now I need to take a break, i'm not lengthening anymore especially after seeing my standing x-ray.
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Post by: patientdad on February 16, 2016, 05:29:26 AM
Sorry to hear about your troubles.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ortholengthening on February 16, 2016, 05:46:30 AM
although it's a bummer having to do extra surgery,
the fact that your fibula's consolidated early indicates that you have no trouble with consolidating and is a reflection of your overall health and ability to consolidate broken bone.

to me that's a win!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ouroboros on February 16, 2016, 06:16:23 AM
Sorry to hear the crappy news..... I agree that they should have caught that complication earlier if they were a little more diligent.  Aftercare is so important during LL, but unfortunately some places are too busy or have just become desensitized to give patients the individual attention they deserve and specially when they pay top dollar for the whole procedure.
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Post by: TIBIKE200 on February 16, 2016, 06:18:00 AM
Just proves some saying I heard about him being a money grabber
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Vendetta113 on February 18, 2016, 02:50:37 AM
Damn, sorry to hear about your current situation. That said, glad that you are still doing vlogs. Hope you don't delete them as your diary is a good inspiration for a lot of future LLers, especially those who are planning for a quadrilateral surgery like myself.

Wish you the best of luck for your femur and fibula surgery.
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Post by: ortholengthening on February 18, 2016, 03:14:30 AM
best of luck with surgery tomorrow!
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Post by: yagen on February 18, 2016, 08:28:53 AM
My best Wishes!!!

give the best of yourself, focus on your goal!!
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Post by: Iamready on February 18, 2016, 11:42:18 AM
Waiting in the waiting room before pre op and then op.  Here's my last video before going under.
They will be doing the femur rod insertion and fibula untethering, it's all pretty complicated and will be a long surgery.

Keep you guys posted when i wake.

https://youtu.be/Jh2SMOahAko
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: willsa on February 20, 2016, 10:24:37 PM
Hope it went well man! Wishing you the best.
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Post by: Peaceout on February 21, 2016, 11:30:22 AM
Hey,whats up?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Polycrates. on February 21, 2016, 02:52:14 PM
The tibia were able to bend despite there being a rod in place? Makes me worried about myself. I thought the nail would prevent this occurrence.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on February 21, 2016, 04:41:10 PM
The tibia were able to bend despite there being a rod in place? Makes me worried about myself. I thought the nail would prevent this occurrence.

This about it.. The nail isnt full weight bearing while your tibia is... Meaning that the tibias are must more robust and powerful than the nail.. Thus, if the tibia will tend to bend it will bend the nail as well
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Polycrates. on February 21, 2016, 05:40:56 PM
Wonder if this applies to the Synthes nail as well.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on February 25, 2016, 04:11:47 AM
Sorry it took so long for an update but I've been having a tough time.  The operation was more serious than I expected. Most of my pain coming from lower limbs.  Altogether, moving is a monumental task and they are not wasting time with physical therapy.  Here are some pics of me from today or yesterday.
(http://i.imgur.com/4osfvpN.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/q7gT4Ze.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/h0CO2Bb.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/7smHCUx.jpg)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: applesandoranges on February 25, 2016, 04:43:24 AM
Keep up the good fight my LL Broski! You will be happy with it in the end, despite what you're suffering now! Strong!!!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: hyong on February 25, 2016, 04:58:35 AM
wow......
you are a very determined and brave individual to get both surgery ,
may i ask, does post op tibia hurt more or femur ?

all the best !
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: MirandaProcerusa on February 25, 2016, 08:10:16 AM
Keep it up! I hope you feel better soon. That is a very unsightly bruising but your legs look magnificent. Hang in there.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: goodlucktomylegs on February 25, 2016, 11:27:44 AM
Keep it up! I hope you feel better soon. That is a very unsightly bruising but your legs look magnificent. Hang in there.
Be patient
Super Hero
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on February 25, 2016, 02:24:01 PM
The tibia and femur are two types of pains.  When I woke up I didn't feel much pain in femurs but I felt burning in my lower legs. The lower legs also bloat your ankles and have more nerve pains. The femurs tend to hurt when sitting or when trying to turn over and transfer because those are the muscles you use. I'll be able to give a smarter assessment at 2 weeks. I hope to be using the Walker permanently by that time. I'm not a fan if the wheelchair and there are so many benefits to using a walker vs wheelchair for flexibility and motion.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: willsa on February 25, 2016, 10:53:33 PM
Glad to see you pulled through! Those bruises look rough Jeez. It seems like everyone hates themselves the first 2 weeks and then it gets better.

How's this compared to your first tibia surgery? And how do you move around and stuff?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: patientdad on February 26, 2016, 12:13:41 AM
I thought your lower legs were already done.
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Post by: Nightwish on February 26, 2016, 12:40:34 AM
That's a hell of a shiner! Excellent diary.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ghostfish on February 26, 2016, 04:43:53 AM
Hi Iamready

Your scars and bruises look really painful.  You are a brave man. 
Thanks for all you have shared with us.  You have been really inspiring!!
Hang in there buddy!  Be strong!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: shorthandsomedoc on February 26, 2016, 03:32:23 PM
I have been following your diary, it is very inspiring. I hope you get better soon. What is your armspan by the way?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on February 26, 2016, 06:58:12 PM
Just for some encouragement, my thighs looked like that when I had femur surgery as well. It goes away after a few days. I'm curious about why there's a bandage on the top of your right leg. I don't have any scars there.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: willsa on March 02, 2016, 11:36:56 PM
Hey man, hope you're starting to feel a little better. Give us an update when you're ready so we know you're still kicking!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ghostfish on March 04, 2016, 03:04:09 AM
Hi Iamready

Are you OK?  We haven't seen you for awhile.  I guess you have been having rough days after surgery.  Hope you are doing fine and things are getting better.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ortholengthening on March 07, 2016, 05:27:39 AM
hope you are doing well

any updates?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on March 11, 2016, 01:35:45 PM
Hi. Sorry for my disappearance. I want to let you know that I am doing miserably but still extending. My pain is coming from many sources. The shoots of pain from my nerve compression release to the extended toilet stays from being constipated and unable to pee. I only take painkillers for my pt sessions so the rest of the time I am in somewhat of a living hell. Being on pain medicine for this long is not a good idea. I should have been patient and done the surgeries a year apart. I am going to pull through. I am doing everything in my power to put this nightmare behind me. I miss my smile and I wouldn't dare post a video without it present.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: axelf on March 11, 2016, 05:33:37 PM
you don't need to apologize. you don't owe anybody here an an explanation (although it's very nice to hear what's going on).

you have to be very tough now. don't worry about the smile. it'll reappear.

I keep my fingers crossed for you!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: willsa on March 11, 2016, 06:13:42 PM
Glad to hear from you, I thought something bad may have happened. No need to apologize, we get that it's very difficult. Has paley said anything in regards to your experience?

I know you don't want to post a quick video, but I think it would help a lot of us understand the reality of the surgery vs reading, totally up to you of course and we all respect your decision. Wishing you the best man, you're already halfway through! ;D
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on March 11, 2016, 11:27:41 PM
Here is my latest x-ray . I'm closing in on a total of 3 inches soon enough and it's noticeable. It's definitely a driving force.
(http://i.imgur.com/hfcf3QD.jpg)

Hey Guys,
I actually recorded a video a few days ago and decided not to post it because while it had great info and explanations, there were a lot of times I got emotional.  Reason being, I see how much I have hurt my parents when they see me in such discomfort and I am a very sensitive person when it comes to my family so i'm going to try to edit that video and keep in the relevant parts.  I'm taking the pain killers once a day now for pt which is all sorts of crazy, especially since I have been through pt for such a long time. It becomes tiresome and you just wish for a break but ultimately this is what I asked for and I knew what difficulties could arise from this.  The best attitude I can have is to become a stronger person- pardon the cliche- and pass on my perspective to other prospective patients about how difficult two surgeries back to back can be.

I think now besides the difficulties peeing- which i notice has become easier- but not yet ok- is the burning and tinging in my toes from my nerve decompression release.  This is an operation that is done to prevent dropped foot so in essence my foot is feeling things it did not feel before or perhaps had lost sensation and is now regaining it.  So it's a bit like walking in a sock filled with lemon juice after you've run a marathon through the sand.  It really gets ridiculous when I start listing off my issues because you would think with such a harsh time during my tibia lengthening I would be iron clad but holy fk it seems the god I don't believe in is trying his best to punish me for wanting average height.  :)

As far as Paley, look there's a reason he recommends people do the femurs first and I remember one of the doctors telling me once i finish the tibia's there is no way i'll return for a second op. Ha.

Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on March 12, 2016, 12:54:08 AM
this should have been posted above.
https://youtu.be/xhRXoUwj48I
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Nightwish on March 12, 2016, 02:08:50 AM
Those prices  :o

I'll tell you what though dude, you are an absolute trooper and your vlogs are absolutely fantastic. So much respect.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: goldenegg on March 12, 2016, 06:40:23 PM
there's nothing wrong with being emotional and thanks for the honest update.  it's important for prospective patients to see in diaries the bad times too, not just the good times.

I only did femurs and your video brought back how miserable and regretful I was right after the surgery-  thinking what the hec I had done to myself and the pain I've intentionally inflicted upon myself.  Fortunately, those dark days are a distant memory for me now and I hope the pain will soon be a distant memory for you too.  stay strong
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: yagen on March 12, 2016, 08:49:02 PM

you are very brave!!!! Its awesome what you are doing.

Listen to your body, listen to your parents, our shelfishness is too high.

Weight the pros and cons.

I wish you the best
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: willsa on March 12, 2016, 09:01:16 PM
Wow, you are extremely brave man. Thank you very much for sharing your journey with us. I feel like every diary I've read at one point mentions how they somewhat regret doing it, but once things start getting better they feel better again. You're at the worst part and already halfway through. It'll start to get better soon just like the tibias.

Keep us posted whenever you're feeling like it man! Don't become a ghost :)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ghostfish on March 13, 2016, 04:19:35 AM
Hi Iamready

I am glad to hear back from you again and sorry for your extreme pain.  You are really a brave man.  Right now, don't worry about anything.  Just be strong and take care of yourself.  Although I have not done ll yet, I can tell you that it will be always getting better and better every single day.  Stay strong!! 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: AimHigh on March 13, 2016, 04:39:28 AM
Full Respect - One year ago during my (single)  fitbone femur 6 cm lengthening, I had so many plans - Study,Books,learn another language, spend lotsa time with family etc - but i was in too much pain to do any of that.
But after about 5 months things just got better and better - dont b too hard on yourself, this will make u a more compassionate Man, and u will come to apreciate Family, the ability to move freely and life in general all the more ☺☺
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on March 16, 2016, 12:59:31 AM
If the immense suffering and psycological burden that comes with it will continue, I advise you to stop femurs at 5-6cm mark. You will gain atleast 10cm! It will be a whole new world for you and the recovery will also be good because of only 5cm or 6cm on femurs
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on March 19, 2016, 04:54:22 PM
https://youtu.be/1h4G-UB5qao
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: toafrica on March 19, 2016, 06:18:19 PM
Hey bro, hang on there. I'm currently doing my femurs with precice and there are days where I can't just move because of pain. You're really strong to work out with so much pain. Keep pushing. I some months it will be over. We'll get through this. Feel free to PM off you wanna talk
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: spaghetti743 on March 19, 2016, 06:56:03 PM
You've come this far if you don't see it through till the end you are likely to regret this later in life. Just my opinion. Wish you the best.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: applesandoranges on March 19, 2016, 09:26:29 PM
very authentic video. thanks for sharing! just wondering if you're going to post that pic up because I didn't see it in the vid! hope everything's alright dude
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on March 19, 2016, 10:23:03 PM
best i could do (http://i.imgur.com/EYjmU4E.jpg)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: chineseguy on March 20, 2016, 05:38:26 AM
is your arms noticeable like shorter
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: alps on March 20, 2016, 05:57:13 AM
wow that is a super significant increase! how many cms are you at exactly?

you're a warrior mate! inspiring stuff.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on March 20, 2016, 06:13:15 AM
I believe this is with 6-7cm difference?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on March 20, 2016, 09:04:03 AM
this is a 7.5cm increase.  my arms are bent when i hold the walker so they appear shorter.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on March 20, 2016, 09:07:11 AM
I just stood on the walker and let one arm fall. The arm length will reach around the first cross bar of the walker.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on March 20, 2016, 09:13:13 AM
I'm also using the exogen everyday on the tibias so they can consolidate by the time my femurs are lengthened and I can weight bear at 75 pounds per leg at that point and move onto crutches.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on March 20, 2016, 09:27:04 AM
perspectivly, now that you stand near your dad (your pre LL height if I am not mistaken) does 3 inches look like a very big difference? I mean, does he appear alot shorter to you or just a little bit short?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: jaymorgan712 on March 20, 2016, 10:11:22 AM
So you grew 5.5 centimetres in the tibia, and how much do you plan to lengthen in the femur?

By the way, you're doing a way better job than me mate! So well done on getting through this!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on March 20, 2016, 02:33:17 PM
I plan on getting 7 on the femurs.  That's of course if everything goes well.  3 inches feels a lot.  It feels a lot more than me in lifts did standing next to him.  I imagine every inch from here i'll feel like i'm towering over him. i can see over his head at this height.

my main source of main is the tingling in my feet from the nerve release.  It's a little unsettling since the meds they gave me don't work and I have no idea when it will stop.  If i even move my feet or my toes i get a horrible shock.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on March 20, 2016, 02:42:14 PM
I plan on getting 7 on the femurs.  That's of course if everything goes well.  3 inches feels a lot.  It feels a lot more than me in lifts did standing next to him.  I imagine every inch from here i'll feel like i'm towering over him. i can see over his head at this height.

my main source of main is the tingling in my feet from the nerve release.  It's a little unsettling since the meds they gave me don't work and I have no idea when it will stop.  If i even move my feet or my toes i get a horrible shock.

Did you inquire Paley about it? I would also suggest you to ask a neurologist. You are the first who is describing this thing
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on March 20, 2016, 03:43:39 PM
Paley said it is normal and its the irritation of the nerves,  Even my pt says he has seen several cases and some way worse that eventually went away,   So no, i'm not the first person who got a nerve decompression and experienced this. It's more likely no one on the board had this procedure done. 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on March 20, 2016, 03:53:29 PM
Paley said it is normal and its the irritation of the nerves,  Even my pt says he has seen several cases and some way worse that eventually went away,   So no, i'm not the first person who got a nerve decompression and experienced this. It's more likely no one on the board had this procedure done.

Still, it is always good to get a second opinion (A thing I learned in med school)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: jaymorgan712 on March 20, 2016, 04:14:00 PM
Well done mate! You have no idea how better you will feel after all of this!

In your experience there, how many people were making it to 5 centimetres in the tibia? Amazes me how fast the tibia resists after 5!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: alps on March 20, 2016, 04:45:15 PM
why was nerve decompression done anyway? did you have nerve damage during tibial lengthening?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on March 20, 2016, 05:42:54 PM
i believe it's done to prevent foot drop and to also allow me to reach a goal on my femurs without damaging the nerves.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: alps on March 20, 2016, 05:56:12 PM
oh it was done proactively?
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Post by: TIBIKE200 on March 20, 2016, 06:31:10 PM
How can you decompress an uncomressed nerve?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: CCMidwest on March 20, 2016, 06:51:21 PM
Hello, my first post here. I've read your entire diary and watched all your videos, good stuff. I wish you the best!

Re: Nerve decompression (from someone who has been there)

When I was 14 my right arm was crushed by a falling tree. About 1 year post accident I had nerve decompression surgery for the ulnar nerve just past where it passes through the elbow (funny bone) and enters the muscles of the forearm. I recognize all the symptoms you describe, only it was in my forearm/wrist/hand and not my feet. "Electric shock" type pain especially. That pain often reached the 7/10 or 8/10 range. (which was less than the 10/10 I was having before)

The pain went away, for the most part, after some healing time and physical therapy. I was left with some lingering syptoms though, that persist to this day. (I am 31 years old now)

Some numbness in my hand, wrist, and pinkie finger. Sensitive funny bone area (hitting my funny bone is actually an 8/10 or worse) and I can't do barbell bicep curls as it gives me an electric shock in my arm. (ez curl and dumbells are fine)

Anyway, I wrote all this because I know you are concerned that the pain will be forever, I do not think that is the case.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on March 20, 2016, 08:43:04 PM
I can't say that I didn't expect this, because of our similar age and because I had a hard time going through LL. I had shoots of nerve pain as well during LL. It did go away eventually if that makes you feel any better. It went away after a few weeks.

My leg muscles are pretty weak still, and looking back, I probably should have walked more often and used the muscle stimulator more. The muscles that get especially weak are the inner and outer thigh muscles. The TFL more specifically. If you want to get rid of the penguin walk sooner, keep working out that TFL muscle.

It's been 9 months since I had this surgery, and I still have pain my legs everyday. So I know the feeling of wanting to catch a break for once. Hang in there. We're in this together.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ozymandias on March 20, 2016, 11:30:29 PM
It's been 9 months since I had this surgery, and I still have pain my legs everyday.

Scary info for all of us who are considering femoral LL. Can you describe your current level of pain, and where is it located (maybe the iliotibial tract?)? Is it getting better?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: applesandoranges on March 20, 2016, 11:35:17 PM
Scary info for all of us who are considering femoral LL. Can you describe your current level of pain, and where is it located (maybe the iliotibial tract?)? Is it getting better?

Keep in mind in that case 8cm was lengthened. If you look at how big 8cm is next to your femur, maybe it's not so surprising there would be pain there. I think to reduce this, a smaller amount of 4cm or less is ideal for femur lengthening. But that's another subject.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on March 20, 2016, 11:38:42 PM
Keep in mind in that case 8cm was lengthened. If you look at how big 8cm is next to your femur, maybe it's not so surprising there would be pain there. I think to reduce this, a smaller amount of 4cm or less is ideal for femur lengthening. But that's another subject.

Dont know dude, you are thinking about 2 operations and lengthening less than 4cm on both. I doubt that any honest surgeon will accept a guy who only wanna lengthen 2.5 on his tibia... You are really pathologically cautious....
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on March 20, 2016, 11:48:29 PM
Thanks for the responses. I'm just digesting them now as sit waiting for the exogen machine to finish. I do agree that using the Walker and building the muscle is important and it's something I have been trying to focus on recently so that when I complete lengthening I'm not starting from scratch.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ozymandias on March 21, 2016, 12:12:15 AM
Keep in mind in that case 8cm was lengthened. If you look at how big 8cm is next to your femur, maybe it's not so surprising there would be pain there. I think to reduce this, a smaller amount of 4cm or less is ideal for femur lengthening. But that's another subject.

Yes, I agree that 8 cm is probably too much, and actually I'm planning to do 5 cm. However I'm afraid that the IT bands (and the achilles for tibias) will probably never be at 100% after the surgery, even for modest amounts of lengthening (of course, it is better to be at 99% than at 70%).

I doubt that any honest surgeon will accept a guy who only wanna lengthen 2.5 on his tibia.

Why? If the patient is OK with an extra inch, good for him. No ballerina problems, no long period with frames, no proportion issues...

Thanks for the responses. I'm just digesting them now as sit waiting for the exogen machine to finish. I do agree that using the Walker and building the muscle is important and it's something I have been trying to focus on recently so that when I complete lengthening I'm not starting from scratch.

Stay strong, man. Walking (even with a walker) will probably be good for your overall psychological well-being, too.
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Post by: Ozymandias on March 21, 2016, 12:14:19 AM
Sorry, double post (delete please)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ghostfish on March 21, 2016, 03:32:30 AM
Hi Iamready

You look better now although you are still suffering from enormous pain. 7.5cm gain appears way much more than I imagined.  I guess a lot of guys around me who seem taller or much taller may not be that much taller than I thought.  If I can gain 3 or so inches, I am sure I will feel much more confident. 

So, regarding exogen, is it really helpful?  I understand it could be hard to say since you are not comparing with or without it. If it can save 2-3 weeks, that will be huge for me, since my major concern is time.  Please make some comment on exogen, when you can.  Plus, how did you get it?

Thanks, man!  You are a true hero!

Best,
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on March 22, 2016, 11:23:34 PM
Scary info for all of us who are considering femoral LL. Can you describe your current level of pain, and where is it located (maybe the iliotibial tract?)? Is it getting better?
My IT feels fine. I got the IT band surgery and that's probably why it's fine. To be more specific on the pain, it's my TFL (right below the hip bone) on my left side that hurts when I do leg raises while laying in my side. It hurts once in a while when I walk around and need that muscle too. Another annoying pain are my inner thigh muscles or tendon. It feels stretched and tight even when I'm not stretching them. When I squeeze my legs together, it hurts, and I'm not even squeezing that hard. The TFL pain is most likely just muscle weakness, because it's still hard for me to do leg raises. But the inner thigh pain seems like it's because my tendons are over stretched. I try to sit with my legs folded to try to stretch them out further but it does not appear to be improving. I had this inner thigh pain for a few months now. I don't recommend going all the way to 8 cm because of this.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: chineseguy on March 23, 2016, 02:09:04 AM
difm.    if you can return back time      will you still do it?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on March 23, 2016, 09:30:30 AM
difm.    if you can return back time      will you still do it?
No, I wouldn't. I sacrificed too much for something that helped me very little. Being taller doesn't improve your life as much as some of you may think would. I cured my height neurosis but I replaced with it with a lot physical pain and suffering. The physical pain sucks because there's no off switch. It's always present from the moment you wake up to even during sleep. At least the height neurosis can be ignored when you stop looking at mirrors and stop being around heightists.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: willsa on March 24, 2016, 02:36:47 AM
You only had your surgery in summer 2015? You'd have to give it a few more months before you make the call, no one should reasonably expect to be back to walking healthy for at least a year or two.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on March 25, 2016, 02:24:53 AM
Here is my newest x ray. The gap is 2.4cm centimeter magnified so roughly 2cm gained.  Pain is SLOWLY improving.  I suffer a lot during Pt :)
(http://i.imgur.com/XWN7yDq.jpg)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ortholengthening on March 25, 2016, 04:47:47 AM
wow
looking great!
where does that put you at? around 8.5 cm in total?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on March 25, 2016, 04:38:46 PM
Hey Iamready,

considering you should be around the 8 cm mark by now, my own personal goal. How does it feel?

Sure you can't walk much or anything, but in terms of aesthetics, does it look good for you? Are you starting to feel your legs becoming too long or something like that? Do you think it's personally easy to hide that you've lengthen 8 CM?

Thanks man, Take Care!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: EndGame on March 27, 2016, 02:04:00 AM
Hi Iamready,
Thank you so much for doing your blog of your experiences.  The videos and insights are invaluable.  I hope you are continuing to progress well.  You posted a picture of your legs about one week after the femur nail surgery.  You still had a fair bit of swelling and a large bruise covering about half your leg it seemed.  I was curious to know how much the swelling had come down from its peak by the one week mark?  More to the point I was wondering if you could describe or quantify how big/how much your legs swelled from the femur precice insertion?  Along the same lines, how much swelling did you experience after the original tibia nail surgery? Thanks for sharing with us  :)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on March 30, 2016, 03:58:46 AM
I'm at about 8.5cm now, and as far as height there is a noticeable difference.  Especially since I can wear shoes now as opposed to always being in boots during the tibia surgery.  I'm still not content with the height yet.  Perhaps another inch will change my mind.  My femurs look short compared to my tibia's which actually look perfect in proportion to my feet.  Perhaps I've gotten used to having longer tibia's already.  I will reassess at about 5cm.  I think all the surgeries I've been through have taken a toll on my body and psyche so i'm evaluating my options with regards to my goal on my femurs.  As far as swelling, both surgeries brought significant swelling however when I had my femur rod insertion I had absolutely no fat on my bones and I still was bloated like a corpse floating on the surface of the amazon river.

Here are some videos expressing my current mind set and situation if your patience allows.
 https://youtu.be/aUh4s1snb4s
https://youtu.be/01asTVr-ieI
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Post by: yagen on March 30, 2016, 07:27:42 AM

Great work!!!!  :) :)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on March 30, 2016, 10:36:44 AM
Dont get caught in the number game. You did this thing in order to not be short. Not in order to be one of the tallest guys in the room. Do what's best for your body, not for your ego
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on March 31, 2016, 02:54:30 AM
Nice video.

Glad you've had a relatively easy journey with femurs, even though you are suffering.

Get to the 5 cm and call it quits dude. 10 cm is a great gain overall, and it can lead to a great recovery. That mindset you have I 100% agree with and glad you changed your mind. Hit it and quit it mate.

Lastly, I don't think you really mentioned in your videos, even though I asked (not blaming you for glossing over it), but how is it at 8 CM? "Proportion-wise," how does it all look for you?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: EndGame on March 31, 2016, 04:03:51 AM
The videos convey so much more about how you feel than text ever could.  Really helps to better understand the journey you are on.  Thx!

You mentioned you might stop around 10cm total and possibly come back in a year to max out the rods.  If you find your soft tissue basically maxes out at 5cm on tibs and 5cm on fems, is that only a temporary issue in general?  Meaning a year later, muscles and tendons further adapt during recovery and it becomes possible to do another 3cm and 3cm for 8 and 8 on both? 

If you do stop at 5 and come back in a year do you think you'd rather do both tibs and femurs at the same time?  Or one then the other?  I was thinking the trauma of reaming and nail insertion would be absent making a follow up lengthening less traumatic, but perhaps that's just what I want to believe since it'd be faster doing both at once. 

Good luck and stay strong!
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Post by: willsa on March 31, 2016, 04:28:33 AM
Thank you so much for the videos. I feel like I can tell you're doing a little better now too. 5cm is fine man, I'd rather walk normally at 5'9 than risk more injury to walk at 5'10. After you're done lengthening, can you just go home? How do you fix your tightness and learn to walk again? Any estimated time table?
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Post by: Iamready on March 31, 2016, 12:55:44 PM
Learning to walk is just a matter of effort. It's something your body can regain by itself with hard work but a trainer can help with weak spots you may not be paying attention to. At 8cm proportions look normal. Whereas the 8cm on femurs alone looks a bit long, not hating just mentioning- and by long I don't mean that people will hate but they'll probably notice and say wow your quads are long-, I think that spreading it out on both Tibias and femurs makes it much more natural. But then again I went through hell and a lot of cash to look proportional. This is something I'll discuss in another video so people don't get the wrong idea about my statement.

Coming back a year later to max out the rods is the safest way to do it but it costs more money and requires coming back and revealing the bone. It is an outpatient operation and you are able to lenghten right away with minimal trauma to the body. I might do both or just one depending on how much more I want to grow.

I can go home after lenghtening but I don't know how long it will take to consolidate since my Tibias and femurs are making bone at the same time. Once I get the clear for crutches il move to that then get the clear for full weight bearing. J assume it will take 2-3 months post lenghtening for me to consolidate to weight bearing since I seem to create bone quickly.

Thanks for your comments it really gives me energy.
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Post by: DoingItForMe on March 31, 2016, 08:59:10 PM
At 8cm proportions look normal. Whereas the 8cm on femurs alone looks a bit long, not hating just mentioning- and by long I don't mean that people will hate but they'll probably notice and say wow your quads are long-, I think that spreading it out on both Tibias and femurs makes it much more natural. But then again I went through hell and a lot of cash to look proportional. This is something I'll discuss in another video so people don't get the wrong idea about my statement.
You're right that 8 cm on femurs is disproportionally long. And when I'm nked, it does look weird. But with clothes on, nobody has ever commented that my femurs look too long. But yea, if time and money were no factor, splitting the height between both sections would look the best.
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Post by: CCMidwest on March 31, 2016, 09:07:21 PM
You're right that 8 cm on femurs is disproportionally long. And when I'm nked, it does look weird. But with clothes on, nobody has ever commented that my femurs look too long. But yea, if time and money were no factor, splitting the height between both sections would look the best.

"Wow, you have long legs"

Or...

"If only you were taller"

I'll take the leg comment I think.
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Post by: Iamready on April 01, 2016, 12:54:41 PM
Yea like I said. It's not something I meant bad by. It's just something that makes me not regret getting both segments done because up to this point I've never looked at my legs and thought they looked long for my body. I feel like they are finally becoming what they should have been originally.

On the flip side I went through some traumatic   so I don't even know what to reccomend to people when it comes to just getting femurs done or split it between both segments, because in my opinion the technology for a complication free tibia surgery isn't quite there and you have to accept that it will be a gamble and you better come with that extra 35k. This is of course in reference to the precise internal system.

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Post by: willsa on April 01, 2016, 01:25:21 PM
Isn't that because you were wearing lifts for a while which shortened your tendons so they had to slow you down?

Also I think I remember in another video you said you could dunk in basketball, if that's the case you need to have serious musculature in your legs at your previous height, which seems to be a theme in complications and pain (muscles fighting against lengthening)

Still looking forward to seeing your recovery! Please don't dip out of here once you're done lengthening.
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Post by: chineseguy on April 01, 2016, 02:06:33 PM
what is your sitting height?
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Post by: TIBIKE200 on April 01, 2016, 10:42:24 PM
Hope everythig goes well.

I wanted to ask you since you are doing both segments; which of the two has a bigger effect on overall proportions? Like, the 5.5cm on the tibia changed your proportions as much as the 3m on the femurs?
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Post by: Iamready on April 02, 2016, 01:51:52 AM
I think ultimately I'll be more pleased with the tibia lengthening because my wide feet always made me feel like my Tibias were super small. But most people notice your femurs sitting down or maybe it's just me.  Like you're taking a   and you're like holy   my legs are growing long. I think once my femurs grow a little I'll be visually happy. Not sure about content about my final height but that's another issue.

I couldn't dunk I could just grab onto the rim but I also did gymnastics and wrestling so I had dynamic legs. It wasn't just me that had to shell out the extra 35k. The other two tibia patients at the time had issues as well and paid the same to get fixed. 
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Post by: Iamready on April 05, 2016, 02:36:39 AM
I have no idea what my sitting height is sorry.  My dad visited today.  He'll be here till thursday morning so first thing I did was take a pic alongside him.  I can't put my legs together without stretching first- i'll be asking the doctor if I can reduce turns tomorrow.  The pic isn't the best but we are barefoot so this will do for now.
(http://i.imgur.com/pvEkkvC.jpg)
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Post by: chineseguy on April 05, 2016, 02:44:31 AM
wow,, you look more handsome with those legs
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Post by: Alu on April 05, 2016, 03:05:46 AM
Ehh he's ok looking..


How tall is your dad and roughly how tall are you there?
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Post by: Iamready on April 05, 2016, 03:10:42 AM
Ok looking?  You better factor my personality in that.  :P
My dad is like 5.5 and a half. I'm probably around 5 foot 8.5 now. Maybe less.
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Post by: willsa on April 05, 2016, 03:54:02 AM
Damn dude you sure you got these measurements right? You're like a lot taller than your dad now.

Just wondering, have you thought about your children? You're still 5'5 in your genes, so if you have kids they could possibly be short too, would you want them to go through such an experience or deal with the feelings you had? Sorry if that's too serious of a question, it was something on my mind for myself
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Post by: Iamready on April 05, 2016, 04:31:14 AM
Nah it's no problem. If my kids want to get taller they can go through the same thing I did. It's going to be up to them. But of course who knows what the future holds. Perhaps improved technology can make it easier for them to be a normal height.  I'm not worried about my future kids at all.
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Post by: goodlucktomylegs on April 05, 2016, 11:40:28 AM
Damn dude you sure you got these measurements right? You're like a lot taller than your dad now.

Just wondering, have you thought about your children? You're still 5'5 in your genes, so if you have kids they could possibly be short too, would you want them to go through such an experience or deal with the feelings you had? Sorry if that's too serious of a question, it was something on my mind for myself
I think it is not a good question .
Dude .
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Post by: Peaceout on April 05, 2016, 12:45:55 PM
I think you passed your wingspan but you look good..good job :)
Can you measure it sometime please?
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Post by: goodlucktomylegs on April 05, 2016, 01:57:03 PM
iamready
i think you look like Clark Kaint from superman
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Post by: Iamready on April 05, 2016, 04:55:58 PM
Thanks for the compliment. I don't know my wingspan but I'm pretty sure I passed it lol. I'm ok with that. I got my femurs measured today so I'm at 3.3cm. Total height gained is 3.5 inches and they are letting me slow down my turns to alternating between 3 and 2 a day. So in a month at that rate I'll be at 5 cm and assess my situation. Ideally I'd like to get to the same as my Tibias which was 5.6-5.7cm. So I guess I'll be here for over a month. I also got some better pics comparing my father and I. I'll post once I wake up. I'm exhausted.

Thanks all
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Post by: Peaceout on April 05, 2016, 06:48:38 PM
Your comparison photos are really informative for us,thanks man.
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Post by: Iamready on April 09, 2016, 11:35:52 AM
i had a lot of fun sending this pic to my sister and mom because the perspective makes me look huge.  But this is the first pic where my arms are straight on the walker and you can see that they don't look short for my body even at 9cm.  Without the walker my shoulders would drop and my hands are quite large so here's a good pic for proportion ideas until i can stand without the walker.
(http://i.imgur.com/nMm8Gcy.jpg)
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Post by: applesandoranges on April 09, 2016, 12:00:54 PM
Looking great man. Big contrast with your before photo. Hope everything heals up nicely.
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Post by: Iamready on April 09, 2016, 12:33:34 PM
When I get home I'll show the pic that displays our actual height difference. I'm at pt now and I was in a rush when I posted the above photo. It's not an actual representation of our height difference. The angle of the photo makes it look like I'm a giant. I just wanted to show that my arms don't look bad at all even being lengthened this much.
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Post by: hyong on April 09, 2016, 02:49:48 PM
you look like you are 5'10 in that pic  8)
congratulations
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Post by: Iamready on April 09, 2016, 10:41:53 PM
Here's the most accurate representation of my height.  And yeah my arms are bent so you can't infer any proportions from it.  I also have slight duckass because it's really tough keeping flexible after 9 cm.
(http://i.imgur.com/793JjyT.jpg)
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Post by: Alu on April 09, 2016, 11:52:11 PM
Looks good. 9 cm has never looked that much significant until now...

In anycase I have three sort of questions to ask:

1) How's consolidation on tibias going? Is that machine thing working out for ya?

2) How's it like "walking" when you have all four bone segments broken?

Lastly, have an idea of where your waist is at in that picture? I'm curious about that sort of thing is all.
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Post by: Iamready on April 10, 2016, 12:41:40 AM
I'll know in a week and a half if my Tibias are consolidated. I actually stopped using the exogen after seeing my xrays last Tuesday. Reason being, although my Tibias werent x-rayed I saw the top of them fully formed and since I was dropping my turns to alternating 3 and 2 and possibly in the future to 2 turns a day I don't want my Tibias fully consolidated.  That way my femurs won't consolidate as quick.  I didn't realize they were going to form so fast but honestly who knows maybe where the X-ray cut off the gap begins and I really wasn't consolidating. If that's the case I'll get right back in the habit of using it.

Walking is tough because no muscles but I have all the tools at my disposal.
If you look at the bottom of my top look at the center theres a knot where I tied my shorts. It sort of pokes out. I guess that's where my waist is.
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Post by: Iamready on April 10, 2016, 12:43:14 AM
The knot where my waist is also has a dark triangle below it.
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Post by: theuprising on April 10, 2016, 02:51:06 AM
Do you have any pictures with guys who are naturally your post lengthening height, around 5'9-5'10 for comparison?
 
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Post by: Iamready on April 10, 2016, 01:24:38 PM
Nah I live in a bubble but when I get home I can take a pic with my best friend who is 5 9.5
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Post by: blahblah on April 11, 2016, 06:55:09 AM
Iamready thank you for your journal and updates. You look great man. I have a question on proportions since you have gone through both sections. Do you think if one does just one section 5cm it will look weird or out of proportion? if you could choose which section would it be based on aesthetically pleasing?

blah
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Post by: yagen on April 11, 2016, 12:01:29 PM
I'll know in a week and a half if my Tibias are consolidated. I actually stopped using the exogen after seeing my xrays last Tuesday. Reason being, although my Tibias werent x-rayed I saw the top of them fully formed and since I was dropping my turns to alternating 3 and 2 and possibly in the future to 2 turns a day I don't want my Tibias fully consolidated.  That way my femurs won't consolidate as quick.  I didn't realize they were going to form so fast but honestly who knows maybe where the X-ray cut off the gap begins and I really wasn't consolidating. If that's the case I'll get right back in the habit of using it.

Walking is tough because no muscles but I have all the tools at my disposal.
If you look at the bottom of my top look at the center theres a knot where I tied my shorts. It sort of pokes out. I guess that's where my waist is.

Good job Iamready, you look in good shape!!

Do you think is Exogen usefull??

Many thanks
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Post by: Iamready on April 11, 2016, 07:03:50 PM
Iamready thank you for your journal and updates. You look great man. I have a question on proportions since you have gone through both sections. Do you think if one does just one section 5cm it will look weird or out of proportion? if you could choose which section would it be based on aesthetically pleasing?

blah

Really depends on your body.  I always had a complex about my tibias looking short.  But if you don't have a particular part of your leg you think looks abnormal then choose the 5cm on the femurs 100%.
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Post by: Iamready on April 11, 2016, 07:05:12 PM
Good job Iamready, you look in good shape!!

Do you think is Exogen usefull??

Many thanks

I stopped using it last week when I saw some serious bone growth at the top of my tibia. BUT I still haven't seen the bottom portion.  I will answer this on next Wednesday when they xray my tibias.
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Post by: Revenge on April 11, 2016, 07:08:06 PM
You look good
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Post by: Iamready on April 11, 2016, 09:51:35 PM
Thanks. Appreciated. I can't wait a month till I'm finished.
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Post by: spaghetti743 on April 12, 2016, 04:16:39 AM
I count a 5 inch difference with your dad. I heard a rumor that leg lengthening institutes try to measure you at a shorter height than you really are by pushing the stadiometer down against your head losing 2-3cm.
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Post by: chineseguy on April 12, 2016, 04:17:26 AM
Iamready,  thank you for the diary, i just wanna know if Dr told you how long before you can walk normally again without looking weird. thanks
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Post by: Iamready on April 12, 2016, 12:33:10 PM
They measure down at the consultation but trust me I'm under 4 inches taller than my dad.
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Post by: Nightwish on April 12, 2016, 12:56:18 PM
That looks about how I am with my 176 mate.
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Post by: willsa on April 20, 2016, 02:06:09 AM
Hows it going man? Is the pain getting better? You're getting closer to your goal!
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Post by: ortholengthening on April 25, 2016, 06:47:40 AM
how's it going these days?
are you done lengthening?
I believe it's been almost 6 months since you had your 1st surgery
are the tibias coming along consolidating nicely?

look forward to hearing about your progress
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Post by: blahblah on April 29, 2016, 03:43:29 AM
Hey Iamready,

I have been following your diary closely and all of a sudden no more updates. Is everything ok with you? How is your recovery going? I know you said you are mentally drained. Hope all is well man

blah
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Post by: goodlucktomylegs on April 29, 2016, 05:37:13 AM
They measure down at the consultation but trust me I'm under 4 inches taller than my dad.

Now it is almost 3 weeks without any updates.
I hope you are doing well
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Post by: Iamready on April 30, 2016, 09:57:15 PM
Hey i'm fine.  I'll do an update soon.  My physical therapy has been torture because they want me to be able to have my legs straight for the standing up x-ray.  My final goal is around 11cm which should happen in 2 weeks.  I'm not sure about my height because I keep asking people their height and I seem to be 5 foot 10 but I know it's not possible.  I personally think I am 5 foot 9 and people are exaggerating or I had horrible posture before and laying down on the bed for 7 months gave me an inch gain.  My femurs now look proportional to my tibias.  If i return to do 8cm on the femurs it's going to be so odd because when I am on the toilet they already go on for days. Anyway, I don't have the physical nor mental patience to be here anymore.  I will test drive this body and if I feel the need to be taller I will return.  The physical therapy sessions are becoming disrespectfully rough and I say that because it's almost a joke how much pain I am being put through although it is their job to make me flexible there must be a happy medium where I don't go home traumatized and afraid every session. 

I also just got a new bmw i8 waiting for me at home- got a good deal- and that's another incentive for me to return.  The scissor doors should hopefully make it easier on me to go in and out of my car.  I'll still blog from home to keep you updated but since I am only lengthening twice a day and working like a slave I had nothing exciting to post.  Sorry I did not mention to you earlier that I was ok and alive.  But here I am and hopefully i'll blog soon.
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Post by: goodlucktomylegs on May 01, 2016, 06:10:27 AM
Hey i'm fine.  I'll do an update soon.  My physical therapy has been torture because they want me to be able to have my legs straight for the standing up x-ray.  My final goal is around 11cm which should happen in 2 weeks.  I'm not sure about my height because I keep asking people their height and I seem to be 5 foot 10 but I know it's not possible.  I personally think I am 5 foot 9 and people are exaggerating or I had horrible posture before and laying down on the bed for 7 months gave me an inch gain.  My femurs now look proportional to my tibias.  If i return to do 8cm on the femurs it's going to be so odd because when I am on the toilet they already go on for days. Anyway, I don't have the physical nor mental patience to be here anymore.  I will test drive this body and if I feel the need to be taller I will return.  The physical therapy sessions are becoming disrespectfully rough and I say that because it's almost a joke how much pain I am being put through although it is their job to make me flexible there must be a happy medium where I don't go home traumatized and afraid every session. 

I also just got a new bmw i8 waiting for me at home- got a good deal- and that's another incentive for me to return.  The scissor doors should hopefully make it easier on me to go in and out of my car.  I'll still blog from home to keep you updated but since I am only lengthening twice a day and working like a slave I had nothing exciting to post.  Sorry I did not mention to you earlier that I was ok and alive.  But here I am and hopefully i'll blog soon.
Yo man
Why not Tesla?
I8 can drive with electricity only 30 km?
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Post by: Alu on May 01, 2016, 06:50:00 AM
Wow dude...could have used that money to help finance my operation...Lol. Just kidding man. (But seriously why not a Tesla, those cars are all amazing).

In anycase, great to hear from ya. I'm pretty interested in seeing how you look like now.
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Post by: blahblah on May 01, 2016, 05:35:32 PM
Glad your doing good man.
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Post by: EndGame on May 01, 2016, 08:38:40 PM
The physical therapy sessions are becoming disrespectfully rough and I say that because it's almost a joke how much pain I am being put through although it is their job to make me flexible there must be a happy medium where I don't go home traumatized and afraid every session. 

OMG! Sounds brutal :(. Dude you crack me up. You have a way with words. Much respect! Hang in there. Congrats on almost being done :). How much time do you spend stretching on your own outside of regular PT?
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Post by: Iamready on May 02, 2016, 01:32:42 AM
The real reason I didn't get a Tesla is because I already have one lol.  It's the dual motor.  Great Great Great car and I cannot believe how much attention it got from women.  They love it. Also funny thing is Dr. Paley drives one too.
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Post by: Iamready on May 02, 2016, 01:38:51 AM

Glad to entertain. I have someone come twice a day to stretch me for an hour each time.  Anything after that is more me massaging or laying in a position that gives a weak spot of mine a stretch. Trust me I need a massage and not more stretching.  Friday night and Saturday morning I had a horrible pain in my thigh as if I tore something but I iced it for hours and it went away.  Really   feeling and I feel like the PT needs to be responsible for not over working me because it seems when I give them a warning about a certain part of me feeling like it's pulled it gets glossed over as an excuse when it's actually me trying to convey the meat is slipping off the bone.  I also do extra PT session on Saturday those cost 200.

OMG! Sounds brutal :(. Dude you crack me up. You have a way with words. Much respect! Hang in there. Congrats on almost being done :). How much time do you spend stretching on your own outside of regular PT?
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Post by: Alu on May 02, 2016, 02:21:45 AM
The real reason I didn't get a Tesla is because I already have one lol.  It's the dual motor.  Great Great Great car and I cannot believe how much attention it got from women.  They love it. Also funny thing is Dr. Paley drives one too.

Motherf*cker....

Funny thing about about Teslas is that while thinking about LL I knew...ohh I knew that my future would be a choice between a Tesla and LL since they are both in the same price range...

So Iamready...buddy, pal, amigo, when this is all said and done, tell me which one is more worth it.
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Post by: Iamready on May 02, 2016, 02:29:19 AM
I can tell you now, that the height being permanent is worth it.  It's just icing on the cake having a nice car, home, and great wardrobe.  But there are guys out there who are barely scraping the barrel and are living the life.  Trust me, take care of your insecurity first, then focus on success.  I did it the other way around and it was like a fly buzzing in my ear for 11 years. 
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Post by: Iamready on May 02, 2016, 02:31:59 AM
Oh and if you ever get a Tesla, the bottom of the line version with no options will do fine.  No girl ever gave a fk about 2 motors or the special interior lights or the seats that did everything but blow you.  All that mattered was that T in the front.  But it sure is fun doing to 60 in 4 seconds.
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Post by: Alu on May 02, 2016, 03:25:12 AM
Oh and if you ever get a Tesla, the bottom of the line version with no options will do fine.  No girl ever gave a fk about 2 motors or the special interior lights or the seats that did everything but blow you.  All that mattered was that T in the front.  But it sure is fun doing to 60 in 4 seconds.

I did a test drive a couple weeks back. Was one of the greatest feelings hiting 60 in 4 seconds...

Thanks for the advice btw. Yeah I was definitely gonna focus on the height insecurity lol. Gonna suck though, by the time I get one, even if it's an S, it's gonna be like getting an IPhone 4-5
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Post by: goodlucktomylegs on May 02, 2016, 07:07:20 AM
I can tell you now, that the height being permanent is worth it.  It's just icing on the cake having a nice car, home, and great wardrobe.  But there are guys out there who are barely scraping the barrel and are living the life.  Trust me, take care of your insecurity first, then focus on success.  I did it the other way around and it was like a fly buzzing in my ear for 11 years.
It is totally true bro
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Post by: ouroboros on May 02, 2016, 03:09:53 PM
Trust me, take care of your insecurity first, then focus on success.  I did it the other way around and it was like a fly buzzing in my ear for 11 years.

This is true, but the surgery is not cheap.  Without financial success, we couldn't afford a safe doc.

Good to hear your recovery is coming along. Keep it up.
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Post by: Peaceout on May 02, 2016, 04:06:17 PM
What about making a bmw i8 review video for us when you get home? I would love to watch it :D
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Post by: DoingItForMe on May 02, 2016, 04:48:52 PM
Motherf*cker....

Funny thing about about Teslas is that while thinking about LL I knew...ohh I knew that my future would be a choice between a Tesla and LL since they are both in the same price range...

So Iamready...buddy, pal, amigo, when this is all said and done, tell me which one is more worth it.
No, a Tesla is cheaper. Once you spend your money on LL, it's gone forever. A Tesla you can resell, and will almost never be worth $0.
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Post by: ortholengthening on May 02, 2016, 04:55:15 PM
with a car, from the moment you buy will start to depreciates in value.
new found height is priceless   8)
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Post by: hyong on May 03, 2016, 10:39:34 AM
I would agree.
Said if you paid 100 000 for ll with a decent doctor.
And u are 30, now with the average life expectancy at 80.
 That gives u +/- 50 years of 'using'  Ur new height.

100 000/50 years = 2000 a year.

Granted that inflation would have to be taken into account but, it's just mine perspective on things.

I am not advocating for people to do it. I am in fact reconsidering this as well. Prehaps in future.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on May 07, 2016, 03:51:03 PM
What's up guys. I created a video about Paley Center's shortcomings and my disappointments but I think it's better for me to release it when i'm 100% the list is comprehensive.  First of all, I am still here for 18 more days.  I'm not really extending just going about a turn a day trying to get my flexibility back so I can get an accurate standing scan.  It's really tough wearing the boots and then in the morning being able to straighten out your legs, so I think lowering turns would work.  Plus there's barely any cloud at the femur so I think this will help.  It looks like by the time I leave my tibia's will be mostly consolidated. They look great.  It's been a real nightmare of a journey but i'm taller. It seems I am actually 5  foot 10 now but i'm going to be honest and say some of that height is because my joints and back have not experienced enough gravity. I spend most the day on my back.  So here's the second part of the video it's basically without the rant.  Peace out and I hope to hell these last 3 weeks go by fast because ET wants to go home.
https://youtu.be/thZF1uuQvB4
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: jaymorgan712 on May 07, 2016, 04:31:38 PM
Hey man congratulations on all of your achievement! I bet in 3 weeks you will be so happy with the end result!

Also, with the tibias, do you recall taking any days off due to pain? It just seems to me that you went all the way up to 5.5 centimeters without even taking a break!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: blahblah on May 07, 2016, 04:43:08 PM
First off you look AMAZING!!! Your proportions looks legit and no one will every notice anything. Second those shoes are sick! Congrats on everything man.

After going through the whole process of Femur and Tibia seperately. Do you think it is possible to do 1 leg at a time for 8cm. Ex: 4cm fem & 4 cm Tib in the same surgery and months later the same for the other leg?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on May 07, 2016, 11:13:05 PM
Hey man congratulations on all of your achievement! I bet in 3 weeks you will be so happy with the end result!

Also, with the tibias, do you recall taking any days off due to pain? It just seems to me that you went all the way up to 5.5 centimeters without even taking a break!

I never took an off day but they slowed me to one turn a day so I was able to deal with flexibility issues.  One day all the pain of the tibia's dissipated and I even went back to 3 turns to no pain. I had a lot of trouble with the tibias though and i talk about that earlier in the diary, so the journey was not as smooth as it seemed.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on May 07, 2016, 11:16:37 PM
First off you look AMAZING!!! Your proportions looks legit and no one will every notice anything. Second those shoes are sick! Congrats on everything man.

After going through the whole process of Femur and Tibia seperately. Do you think it is possible to do 1 leg at a time for 8cm. Ex: 4cm fem & 4 cm Tib in the same surgery and months later the same for the other leg?

Thanks for the compliment.  I agree, I don't feel like I look odd at all.  And I have seen it all here, so I think doing both to moderation was visually the right choice. About doing each leg separately I don't have the know how to say if it's good or bad. It really depends on your age-younger the better- and flexibility but I recommend people do them separately because I had such a hard time.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: jaymorgan712 on May 07, 2016, 11:25:11 PM
I never took an off day but they slowed me to one turn a day so I was able to deal with flexibility issues.  One day all the pain of the tibia's dissipated and I even went back to 3 turns to no pain. I had a lot of trouble with the tibias though and i talk about that earlier in the diary, so the journey was not as smooth as it seemed.

Mate, you made such great progress! 3 weeks and you're done buddy! Congrats!

Yes, I did read your whole diary. It will help me on my journey later this year. I sent you a PM Please Reply to it.

Well done once again! :)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: please on May 08, 2016, 10:05:59 AM
Have you got any video of you walking?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on May 08, 2016, 05:40:04 PM
yeah in 3-4 months hopefully lol.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ortholengthening on May 08, 2016, 05:45:33 PM
Highly personal question. And it's cool if you don't want to answer.
Youve alluded that you're family is in textile industry. What do you do excactly that you can afford such procedure and time off at age of 31?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on May 09, 2016, 12:53:47 AM
Well first of all, i'm 32!!!!!

But I do have my own business and it's a totally different field of manufacturing. Due to possible schiophernia induced paranoia I have concerns of my customers watching my videos and finding my behavior lewd, childish, or in any way unfit for rule of my kingdom, I think it's best to leave that detail out.  Let me just say I never intended to be a business owner, but growing up watching my parents and spending time with them gave me an incredible edge.  I wanted to be an artist, but nothing felt more right than the stress of running a business.  If you want a healthy family life, stay away from business.  It will eat your soul, steal your sleep, and be 100 times harder than you ever imagined.  But here I am, and luckily I have a family member who worked with me for years and knew the company well enough to maintain it- thank god we had no major disasters.- which is where I must be present most of the time.  Otherwise a daily phone call, some team viewer, and checking / responding to emails made it possible for me to be away for so long.  I really do miss the loud sounds of machinery.  Goodbye
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: willsa on May 12, 2016, 02:54:44 AM
Congrats on 5'10 man! That's huge, wow. You're looking better in the video too. Looking forward to hearing about your recovery and what you notice different than from being 5'5 in your daily life. Damn all that and an i8, youre going to be living the life man!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on May 12, 2016, 04:02:38 AM
yeah and it will be curious to see if i shrink from 5 10.  i confirmed again my height today but i think it's possible the temp height boost comes from laying down a lot.  We shall see.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: tallerz on May 12, 2016, 05:36:22 AM
yeah and it will be curious to see if i shrink from 5 10.  i confirmed again my height today but i think it's possible the temp height boost comes from laying down a lot.  We shall see.

Take plenty of glucosamine lol
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on May 14, 2016, 02:44:12 AM
Had a little scare looking at my x-ray today at home.  It shows curvature in the rod but looking at a much earlier x-ray I noticed that there was always a curve.  It's just how they installed the rod in me to match my bone curvature as well as the unorthodox positioning of the rod.
(http://i.imgur.com/XWN7yDq.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/6stlS5l.jpg)
I've got a week and i'm out of here.  Somewhere above 5.5 cm on the femurs.  I'm guessing a total of 11.5cm
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ortholengthening on May 14, 2016, 02:52:24 PM
Looking great
Didn't get new tibia x rays ?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on May 15, 2016, 03:21:33 AM
Yeah, they look like they need a month.  But maybe on friday the doc says they are fine.  It doesn't really matter because my femurs need to be consolidated enough to get the clear for the crutches. Once I get home i'll switch using the exogen on the tibias to using it on the femurs.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ortholengthening on May 15, 2016, 05:46:56 AM
just goes to show how much faster femurs consolidate compared to tibias.

i recall your tibia surgery was around Halloween of last year... 7 months and still not yet done consolidating....
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on May 15, 2016, 08:56:33 AM
Don't worry about the curvature so much. My X-rays at Paley looked like that, too. But when I do the x-rays in a better hospital x-ray machine, it shows that the rods were straight. You will know when your rods are bad. It's when there's a sudden sharp turn in your rod. The clouding in your femurs look good. Even better than mine. I started walking in 3-4 months after stopping. So I think your femurs would be consolidated in 2-3 months.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: toafrica on May 15, 2016, 01:40:55 PM
I have exactly the same bending in my nails, I'd say it's a pretty common thing with precice, don't worry about it. You're almost done!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Bones224 on May 15, 2016, 02:28:04 PM
Hey IamReady,

Great vlog. Its really amazing to see how strong you're being while going thru both the tibias and the femurs. Truly an inspiration to us all.

Question - when you do your turns - have you ever felt the nail turning? Specifically in the femur.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on May 15, 2016, 02:39:37 PM
thanks guys. I emailed Dr. Paley immediately before posting and he affirmed it was ok.  It was just unsettling because this is how my rods in my tibia's looked at the end of my lengthening.
(http://i.imgur.com/pSxdcfv.jpg)
this is them now
(http://i.imgur.com/A6HXnkq.jpg)
I also figured out the mystery of why the lady at the Paley institute measured me at 5.8333 feet and the guy got me at 5 10.  Well 5.8333 is equal to 5 foot 10.  because its .8333 of a foot if a foot was measured on a scale from 1 to 10. 5 foot 8.333/10
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on May 15, 2016, 02:43:36 PM
Hey IamReady,

Great vlog. Its really amazing to see how strong you're being while going thru both the tibias and the femurs. Truly an inspiration to us all.

Question - when you do your turns - have you ever felt the nail turning? Specifically in the femur.

I never felt he turning but i felt tearing and soreness on the right leg.  probably because of the extra screw. And it's always been the sore one to turn on while exercising.  The one positive is that with the left I was always paranoid if the machine was aligned but when you feel the pain right after it's a confirmation.  I think precise needs an indicator for success because we have enough stress to deal with.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on May 25, 2016, 07:11:10 PM
I'm home. Some vids.  I realize i'm wearing a woman's hair band.  It's all I have until amazon comes today.  Anyway i'm glad I stopped when I did because now I really need to get my flexibility back before it becomes an issue.
First vid is about airplane ride and   you would want to know about that and second is just general stuff. Donno.
https://youtu.be/kkPldnRf580
https://youtu.be/DbBVn4u5EyA
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on May 25, 2016, 07:12:25 PM
Oh yeah, I have no ass and I am really bony now so there's no sense in giving measurements for sitting height etc.  I'm sure once my ass plumps back up I will look a lot better.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on May 26, 2016, 12:32:54 AM
Thanks for the update. It's good hearing from you and that you're at least satisfied with the results.

So what now? How's consolidation on the tibias going? Can you provide an updated full body pic?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on May 26, 2016, 02:07:28 AM
They are almost fully consolidated. I'm sure once I stop lengthening my right leg my femurs will consolidate soon as well. However my concern is the flexibility I lost in coming back and not resuming physical therapy right away. The first appointment I could get is next Tuesday at the physical therapy venue that mahboobian patients use. In the mean time I'm stretching non stop trying to get my hamstrings as flexible as possible and back to where I was last Friday. Once I can stand properly I'll provide an updated pic.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: aspirant185 on May 27, 2016, 08:52:50 AM
Thanks for the videos Iamready, you look awesome.

I wanted to ask you, how much time after the first surgery did you have the 2nd one ? Was it immediately or the was a span of some weeks.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: willsa on May 27, 2016, 09:41:43 PM
Must feel great to be back home man, congrats on making the trip! How are you dealing with pain on a day to day basis? Is it still very painful, are you still taking pain medicine, is it only painful in the mornings, are you sleeping well? You seem much better in the videos! Only up from here man.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on May 28, 2016, 01:36:42 AM
First things first.  I am so glad I STOPPED short of my goal because my legs are extremely long.  It's ridiculous how tall I look and i'm sure the skinny legs are only adding to that perception.  I don't regret getting the height I got but holy   I have grown so much and would probably look better with just 10cm.  This is me being honest; but I also want to take into account what a previous quadrilateral patient mentioned- that he stopped at 9.5cm thinking his legs were looking too long but once he gained muscle he decided to re-break the femur and get 2 additional cm.  So hopefully once I bulk my legs up I don't look so insanely leggy.

For Willsa:  The pain is only when I stretch and it's horrible because I stopped the painkillers.  Also I still have 10 more turns left for my right leg to be even with the left leg and I slowed that to one turn a day because i'm losing flexibility.  The first available appointment is for next Tuesday, but in the meantime I am working extremely hard to regain full extension of my legs. My only other issue now is that I have to pee non stop.  It was getting real uncomfortable at night for me to get up multiple times for a piss, so today we finally went to a pharmacy and got a pee bottle. I don't sleep well because of slight discomfort- still wearing my ankle braces and having to wake up to pee constantly.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on May 28, 2016, 02:12:13 AM
Keep in mind I can't take my hands off the walker, so they look shorter than they actually are from them being bent.  You don't realize how insane your goal is until you get close to it.
(http://i.imgur.com/tRKDTMw.jpg?3)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on May 28, 2016, 02:44:48 AM
Didn't you gain 11 CM? I think that's what he also gained after deciding to re-break the femurs if I'm not mistaken.. So I  you and him should be at equal footing. In my humble opinion mate.. I'd say you stop there definitively. But again, that's just my own humble opinion.

Also you look good; considering you're in clothes and all though (hehe). It's funny cause if I didn't know better I would assume you're like 6tf+ considering the angle of the shot and length of legs; arms don't seem that bad...

Again congrats on the gain, also that mentality of not caring at what height you are right now seems pretty ideal mental state after it's all said and done..
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on May 28, 2016, 02:59:36 AM
Yeah I think losing 8 months of my life is enough.  Time to enjoy my family and life ahead of me.  Still have some work to do though...
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on May 28, 2016, 03:06:19 AM
Yeah I think losing 8 months of my life is enough.  Time to enjoy my family and life ahead of me.  Still have some work to do though...
Congrats! And yes! I totally agree with you that there's a point when enough is enough. It's stops being worth it the taller you get because of the exponential growth in potential complications occur. Time is such a valuable resource for people like us, and I'm glad you're done. Message me if you have any questions about your consolidation. I've pretty much gone through all the stages at this point minus getting my rods removed.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on May 28, 2016, 03:57:36 AM
Congrats! And yes! I totally agree with you that there's a point when enough is enough. It's stops being worth it the taller you get because of the exponential growth in potential complications occur. Time is such a valuable resource for people like us, and I'm glad you're done. Message me if you have any questions about your consolidation. I've pretty much gone through all the stages at this point minus getting my rods removed.

Thanks, I have a few questions, but i'm so exhausted from using the bike to keeping myself moving and stretching all day so I don't dry up, i'll have to leave those questions for another time.  One thing I can say after being home is that this is unfortunately not the end but the beginning of another chapter in this difficult journey.  Hopefully things get easier, my bones form quickly, and I can start walking again- something I really took for granted- and something I can only do now while dreaming. 

I was walking with a girl in my dream and I was the shorter me with a lady on my side a few inches taller; I felt uncomfortable and I was nked without my lifts.  Although this may seem trivial or superficial, it brought up some of the feelings I had when I was shorter- the feelings that were the driving force in accomplishing a gain in height despite the cost, pain, loneliness, and hard work that I read about and personally went through.  I'm taller now, and hopefully I can live my life until old age without any regrets. 

It was 10 years ago that I began researching limb lengthening.  I had a fantasy that I would become successful enough to be able to pay for this operation and that I would have the time to take off to grow- and to be sitting here, healing, typing to you guys about my journey is mind blowing.  Thank you for being there, thanks for listening to my stupid video rants and encouraging me along the way. I truly appreciate everything and i'm glad a site like this exists for people to see that their once impossible fantasy can be achieved.  You might have to wait 10 years like I did, but it's worth it, work hard, do your research, and make it happen.

Ok gotta sleep. I'm old.  Goodnight
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: hype88 on May 28, 2016, 10:37:38 AM
Hey mate love your diary it's really amazing to see someone make turn a dream into a  reality, and to be open about it is a very brave thing so my hat's off for you! How does it feel being 5'10? Do you see the world differently? Do people treat you differently? And have you you notice a different reaction with opposite sxx?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on May 29, 2016, 06:29:09 PM
Hey mate love your diary it's really amazing to see someone make turn a dream into a  reality, and to be open about it is a very brave thing so my hat's off for you! How does it feel being 5'10? Do you see the world differently? Do people treat you differently? And have you you notice a different reaction with opposite sxx?
Hey mate love your diary it's really amazing to see someone make turn a dream into a  reality, and to be open about it is a very brave thing so my hat's off for you! How does it feel being 5'10? Do you see the world differently? Do people treat you differently? And have you you notice a different reaction with opposite sxx?

Well I'm not able to walk so I haven't really been in public but whenever someone comes to my home- family members and close friends- they are amazed by how much taller I got. It's also surprising when I'm standing with my walker, how much taller I feel.  I'm just not used to it yet. I'm absolutely sure it will stir a positive reaction with women but as far as finding a life partner goes- it shouldn't matter. I think you'd be better off with a girl who doesn't have height on her checklist; and believe me from personal experience there are girls that actually appreciate a man despite his height. As far as casually dating women, it opens up a whole filthy world of women- which may not even be a good thing. 

My dream last night was actually me as I am now. Unable to walk and taller. For some reason it took place in a dorm room I was moving out of and there were people boxing things up. I kept forgetting I shouldn't fully weight bear and would walk unusually every so often but it was nice to see myself in my dream as the taller me because now my mind has accepted this new reality. There were also all types of girls on my bed and around my bathtub as I was bathing. Maybe because I miss being around them so much. I'd like to at least be on crutches and not having to pee every 5 minutes for that. I wonder if anyone else has had this pissing issue. The reason I remember my dreams is because I wake up in the middle of them to piss in a bottle. It began when I stopped taking the meds and has persisted for the whole week.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: hype88 on May 30, 2016, 02:00:40 PM
It definitely must feel great to be on the other side of journey now! And it would take some getting use too walking around at that height I could only imagine how happy you must feel! Totally agree about the women, I think they're are definitely more girl's in your range now get it while you can man! ;)

What would you say was the hardest part of your journey and what would your advice being for anyone thinking about doing this procedure?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: tallerz on June 04, 2016, 03:27:33 PM
Any idea on when you'll be full weight bearing?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: hype88 on June 04, 2016, 03:53:05 PM
Would you be kind enough to put some photos of you with your new height man? I love to see how you look in your final height:)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: CristianTheCuban on June 04, 2016, 11:27:37 PM
Dr Paley is an artist. It would be cool to see your final height after you recover. Were you 5'5 barefoot before? Towards 5'6 or just 5'5 exact? Would love to know if you dont mind. I hope to do something similar if i dont grow any taller at 19. I really hope and pray i shoot up 4 inches, this looks real hard and annoying to do, but it will pay off in the end. Better days are ahead my dude. Not better but the best. Hang in there and make a full recovery.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: tallerz on June 05, 2016, 05:34:13 PM
Hey man, not sure if you are on crutches yet but figured you might be interested in seeing these. I am thinking about pre ordering a pair now so I have them if I do the surgery next summer.


http://www.mobilitydesigned.com/ourstory/
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: eness26 on June 11, 2016, 11:51:07 PM
Hi Jay, I've sent a message to your inbox, could you please take a look?

Best, Naomi
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on June 13, 2016, 11:35:42 PM
Hey. Sorry for keeping you guys hanging but I've been getting tortured at physical therapy and trying to build muscle while consolidating. I have a tough road ahead of me until I can live a normal life. My legs are as skinny as sticks and I have some flexibility issues I need to deal with in order to walk properly when given the clearance. Lengthening is just part of the battle. Especially when you gain as much height as I did. Someone asked me what the hardest part of limb lengthening is and I'd say it's all hard. The surgery to the therapy and even now consolidating. Not being able to walk for such a long time eats at you. You begin to forget what it's like to be normal and you're no longer motivated by the image of a taller self.   I'm just doing what I need to do to get back in the game so it might mean me staying away from the forums for a bit. When I'm recovered and walking I'll keep you posted. I've got my life to live.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: hype88 on June 14, 2016, 03:37:18 PM
hey bruh, I thought that would be the case! I'm hoping that things will get better for you! Haha well that question was from me and it sounds like you've definitely got to be strong minded to get through this...I can only imagine what that must feel and yes I agree go out and forget about this forum for little while!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ortholengthening on June 21, 2016, 08:27:28 PM
how are things with physio?
did you get any new x-rays recently?
hope things are progressing
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on June 22, 2016, 12:16:42 AM
Hey slowly buy surely gaining strength and flexibility.  It's not moving along as quickly as I would like but i'm happy with any progress. I haven't taken my x-ray because until I feel like I am strong and flexible enough to walk, there's no point.  Here is a picture of me I took today.  I need to work on my ankle flexion to keep my heels down.
(http://i.imgur.com/LryLxKp.jpg)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on June 22, 2016, 01:31:44 AM
You look amazing dude!

 Not liying, you look like a natural whatever height you are now

btw about the flexibility issues, I have spoken with a physiotherapist, and there are also some exercises in order to stretch the nerves. Try finding out with your physio if he knows about that. From what I heard, it helps alot.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on June 22, 2016, 02:59:35 AM
Thanks, I appreciate it. Any stretch there is rest assure I'm doing it. I also do strengthening exercises so I can hold myself up when I'm cleared to walk.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ortholengthening on June 22, 2016, 03:14:21 AM
might be the camera angle but even with your wrists bent and huge arms, you look COMPLETELY natural
i don't think anyone would be able to guess you had LL!!
once you bulk up the legs, you could even argue you can do even more lengthening !!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on June 22, 2016, 03:43:15 AM
are there any improvments in general? Like pain, and walking with a walker... Are you better than the time you posted the vids?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on June 22, 2016, 03:26:38 PM
I'm better, but my right thigh still has pain.  Probably pulled a muscle and my hip flexor's are tight causing pain when I sit.
Title: WHY DO YOU SHOW YOUR FACE?? People always regret that later...
Post by: v18 on June 22, 2016, 10:42:54 PM
I like your diary, but there is one problem....WHY DO YOU SHOW YOUR FACE?? People always regret that later...There is a boy, Moshe, who did ll in Kurgan 10 years ago in that other corrupt forum, and he desperately tried to get his pictures taken off. They would not. His pictures and face are still there....

I hope imgur lets you delete the photos.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on June 23, 2016, 02:38:06 AM
There.  It's no big deal. 
Title: Re: Before - After pictures
Post by: CCMidwest on June 28, 2016, 02:23:39 AM
I know the OP's post said no comments...

But holy crap Iamready. What a difference. My God what a difference.

You can really get a perspective of how much you gained by looking at the shoulder height difference between your Dad and you in the original height pic, versus the final pic.

Holy sh*t.
Title: Re: Re: Before - After pictures
Post by: Alu on June 28, 2016, 02:56:11 AM
What an increase indeed. Man never thought 11 CM could look that huge. In anycase, I look at this two ways. First, congrats man. Going through all of that and coming out it relatively free of complications so far must feel great. Not the mention the height at which you are at...

Second, and in full honesty, I personally don't think I could go that far. That's just me. Take it with a grain of salt cause I don't ever meant to offend, but I'm definitely more conservative with this all..

Last thing, if I may, what would you look like with casual and business attire?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on June 28, 2016, 04:14:00 AM
Pic of me in casual attire for Alu
(http://i.imgur.com/tUWXX9D.jpg)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on June 28, 2016, 04:14:17 AM
I moved my reply here from this thread out of respect for its broader use of this thread: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=2542.msg54134;topicseen#msg54134

It's a lot yeah. I'm sure the moderator can delete the comments once this part of the forum gains traction.  I hope this encourages more people to post their before and afters.  I think most people are afraid of negative comments or risking their anonymity. Either way, good or bad, I can handle all judgement.  I don't blame you for being conservative ALU.  I would have been fine with just 10cm.  I guess I was just trying to get the most for my money.  I don't have a pic with business attire because I wear sweats to work but I have a casual pic i'll post in my diary.  As I become more active i'll be trying on more outfits; I will also need to buy new slacks and dress pants to accommodate my new legs.

Ok, thanks for the reply and post on the pics man. Keep it up. And good luck shopping lol. What are you now? 31-33 pant inseam?

Cheers!


Edit: Welp that was surprisingly quick!

Must say you look good with that attire. Good to know clothing can easily hide anything and everything.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on June 28, 2016, 04:18:37 AM
Definitely more than size 30.  When I sit they hike up to my shins unfortunately. 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ortholengthening on June 28, 2016, 04:19:17 AM
that is amazing!!!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on June 28, 2016, 04:24:43 AM
Can I build a temple in my yard and sacrifice cattle in order to worship you?

 You look amazing! Never would have guessed that you did LL!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on June 28, 2016, 04:42:45 AM
Thanks. I appreciate the positivity.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: goodlucktomylegs on June 28, 2016, 10:43:47 AM
good looking man
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Peaceout on June 28, 2016, 10:48:23 AM
You seriously look good..I hope you will recover soon enough and enjoy your height  :)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: theuprising on June 28, 2016, 11:05:44 AM
Hi Iamready based on the break of your shirt on your pants where is your waist?

Is it possible to get a picture of the standard boxers only proportion picture when you
feel up to it?

Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: CCMidwest on June 28, 2016, 12:11:51 PM
Looks good man, seriously.

You said you've been more social? Does that mean you've been on your feet standing around other men? If so, do you feel average?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on June 28, 2016, 04:44:21 PM
Theuprising, there's a pic with me with my long ass legs in the before and after section. Purposefully shirtless so you can see the proportions.  To be honest I think 10cm would have been enough, I have a huge collection of boots I will never wear again because the last thing I need is a heel on my shoes.

Midwest. When I go to the Physical Therapy office, and when taller family members visit, my height feels great.  Even when I am taller than someone by a little bit I always tell them nah you're tripping, you're the same height as me, just in case they feel bad.  I didn't do this to be taller than other people, I just did it to feel average and I think I have exceeded feeling average.  Psychologically speaking, it's very freeing to not rely on your shoes or lifts for added height.  I prefer flatter shoes now, because of my long legs, and i'm much more comfortable in my own skin, hanging out with people at my home. 

My best friend will be visiting me today for the first time. He is a little under 5 10 so it will be great seeing him eye to eye; i'm sure we will both enjoy the moment as he was supportive of my operation from the start.

My parents are very proud of me and are excited every time I make progress; whether it be standing unassisted for the first time or taking individual steps with the walker.  They have been my biggest supporters and you can really tell how much they love my new height. 

Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: amenhotep on June 28, 2016, 08:08:40 PM
You look very good, your proportions are perfect to me, in the future, build delt muscles
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on June 28, 2016, 08:13:07 PM
Maybe my question is stupid, but how was meeting your 5'10 friend? I guess that was really a "test" to see how much really you gained in height. How was it to be the same eye level as him?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: shorthandsomedoc on June 28, 2016, 09:24:00 PM
You look good. Congratulations.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: blahblah on June 29, 2016, 03:25:47 AM
Honestly Iamready you look great. Totally natural and actually a very desired body type. Good job and it was amazing to follow your diary, cause like all the others this is probably bittersweet goodbye. You made it man :)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on June 29, 2016, 04:09:01 AM
Once again, I really appreciate the kind comments.  Alu requested some business attire; this is the best I could do.  I enjoy these photos because i'm also curious to see how I look in various outfits.

TIBIKE2000- My friend just left.  I was just a bit taller than him. At this point i'm getting used to my height so I don't feel any different when I notice people are shorter.  I just feel more comfortable altogether.

(http://i.imgur.com/dhw7Vw6.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/QFwoTVA.jpg)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on June 29, 2016, 05:30:43 AM
Thanks for the pictures mate. You look really good with those. Mainly because your body frame horizontally does a good job at making you look completely normal. Body to legs you look fine, even with my own reservations about doing that much.

I do have to ask, because I'm now noticing how important it is, but how do you feel about your arms? Again, these are my own personal reservations, but I am curious as to what your arm length/wingspan is? Just because that's the only thing noticeably "off" for me. And again, my own reservations, I don't mean to offend or have you spiral to another disorder, but it's just how I see things.

However, besides that you look good dude. If that was my end result I'd be happy none the less. Thanks for the diary again mate. Can't express how helpful this entire journey has been!

Congrats!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on June 29, 2016, 05:40:32 AM
I've never measured my wingspan.  About my arms, I knew from looking at the photo from Vetruvius- the other QL patient- that they would be a little off.  Limb lengthening is not perfect and there will always be differences between a natural 5 10 and myself but ultimately I would rather be an average sized guy with shorter arms than a short guy.  It's the trade off you make for the height that you gain.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on June 29, 2016, 05:57:42 AM
to me with clothes on, he looks completely normal. Even the arm lengths...
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: paddy10tellys on June 29, 2016, 07:54:41 AM
You look great (incl arms). It gave me a boost seeing how well you have done. I have "the willies" just now after reading  "Dreamcatchers" diary. No gain without pain? Good for you!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: CCMidwest on June 29, 2016, 12:43:42 PM
Thanks for your response to my question iamready.
You should find it easier to style well as a taller man. Of course torso size remains the same, so shirts will remain a bit challenging.

Style is one of the reasons I want LL for sure. A lot of the styling cues I like to wear tend to make me look shorter. Brightly colored flat shoes, wide belts, brightly colored belts, sport coats/blazers, vests, cuffed pants, etc. I tend to match my shirts with my pants and wear monochromatic colors to not cut myself in half visually.

Sky's the limit for your style game now, congrats. I'm jealous, especially since I'm a shoe guy myself lol.

When is the lifts and boots bonfire you promised us?   ;D
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: CCMidwest on June 29, 2016, 01:01:01 PM
You look great (incl arms). It gave me a boost seeing how well you have done. I have "the willies" just now after reading  "Dreamcatchers" diary. No gain without pain? Good for you!

His arms look a bit short, but only because I was trying to see if his arms look short. If people don't know he had LL, they would never notice. How often do you stand with your arms at your side like his pics anyway? Your arms are usually moving around or raised holding something or whatever anyway.

Keep in mind paddyton, you can get to his new height without doing 4"+ like he did. If arm length concerns you, it shouldn't. He looks good, I'm happy for him.

He's got the world by the balls now, for sure.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: paddy10tellys on June 29, 2016, 02:37:54 PM
His arms don't concern me CCMidwest. I think it was Alu that commented about his arms. My previous comment was that they looked great just like the rest of him. He is an inspiration.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on June 29, 2016, 04:28:21 PM
I appreciate all the comments. I just want to state that it's ok for everyone to give their honest opinions. I'm not the type of person to start obsessing over my arms so don't ever think you have to walk on eggshells when responding to my thread.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: alps on June 29, 2016, 04:36:12 PM
you look great man!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Whereintheworld? on June 29, 2016, 05:23:07 PM
I appreciate all the comments. I just want to state that it's ok for everyone to give their honest opinions. I'm not the type of person to start obsessing over my arms so don't ever think you have to walk on eggshells when responding to my thread.

Like others have said, no one would think twice about your arms unless they already knew about your having the ll procedure.
Even so, they look in good proportion, nothing out of the ordinary.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: CCMidwest on June 29, 2016, 05:23:15 PM
His arms don't concern me CCMidwest. I think it was Alu that commented about his arms. My previous comment was that they looked great just like the rest of him. He is an inspiration.

No worries paddyton.

Tibike and I were discussing proportions outside of the forum, and I made the point that he doesn't need to be concerned over arm length because he is already iamready's post tibia/pre femur height. So he, and I if I do it, would only being doing 5-6cm. I wanted to express the same sentiment to you since you are essentially the same height as I.

I personally feel like this forum gets way too concerned over proportions, especially for the guy's that started as short as Iamready did. At his starting height, f*ck proportions...just get taller.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: paddy10tellys on June 29, 2016, 05:33:29 PM
Amen to that, brother.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: CCMidwest on June 29, 2016, 05:51:17 PM
Iamready,

In one of your videos you mention that you were going to make a video of your comments and concerns about the Paley Institute. Do you still plan on doing that?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on July 01, 2016, 04:25:52 AM
Iamready,

In one of your videos you mention that you were going to make a video of your comments and concerns about the Paley Institute. Do you still plan on doing that?
I will do that once my rods are out, :).

I tried on my boots today- I have 3 pairs of the same one- and wore some outfits to see if I can utilize these shoes going forward. I think they look fine.
Wearing wider pants help.  Excuse the beer gut, I didn't realize my shirt was see through.
(http://i.imgur.com/rTpSLTX.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/RlNaniG.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/WT6fvb8.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/GIUqbO3.jpg)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on July 01, 2016, 04:39:58 AM
As always, thank you for blessing us with pictures of your body. Greatly appreciate you feeding into my obsession with it.

I must say I really like the one with jacket. Looks nice with the longer legs. Model like.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Penguinn on July 01, 2016, 11:06:16 AM
I agree with others on you looking like a natural whatever height you're at. Congratulations.:D
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: CCMidwest on July 01, 2016, 12:36:15 PM
I am just imagining it, or are your chest and shoulders bigger post LL?

I assume it's from using the walker?

Of course you just look physically bigger being taller now, but you look more muscular too.

Really appreciate the hard work you've put into this very detailed diary, since a lot of guys quit posting directly after LL. Hope you'll keep us posted on recovery as well.

Edit: Really personal question...

You look good, and proportional, with clothing on for sure. But how do you feel you look nked? Skinny legs and butt I'm sure, being so soon after LL, but what about leg to torso proportions?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on July 01, 2016, 02:36:47 PM
In response to CCMidwest.  Without clothes, I honestly feel like I look like an athlete from the front on position.  But from the side, because I have no ass, I won't even comment.  I'm eating everything I can to get my big booty back.

Oh yeah, chest and shoulders.  The walker helps maintain muscle in the upper body.  It's a combination of me losing some weight and using specific muscles that assist me with moving with the walker that have affected my shape.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: willsa on July 01, 2016, 07:39:20 PM
Wow dude you look great! And you're standing unassisted now! Hows the recovery going? Do you still feel pain or taking pain meds?
Title: Re: Re: Before - After pictures
Post by: theuprising on July 01, 2016, 10:06:51 PM
The leg to torso ratio is off but that can easily be dealt with using clothing, the arms do look short but that's to be expected as going from 5'5 obviously you won't have a 5'10 guys wing span. I think it's really brave to post these shots as other patients will post stuff but they will wear clothes to hide their proportions. You had typical proportions prior to surgery so you are an excellent example for guys who think they can get away with a large amount on one segment. It was good foresight to divide your lengthening into two segments and your tib/femur ratio looks excellent.
Everyone will be somewhat disproportionate after surgery and in your case going from from 5'5 to 5'10 was worth it. I am typically quite harsh in terms of proportion and compare the after lengthening results to people who are naturally 5'10 so I'm sure some forum members will disagree with my assessment.
Title: Re: Re: Before - After pictures
Post by: YourSpaceBoyfriend on July 02, 2016, 12:11:05 AM
Imho the arms are more of the problem rather than torso/legs ratio still not that bad considering that he was 5'5.

the arms do look short but that's to be expected as going from 5'5 obviously you won't have a 5'10 guys wing span.

A lot of short people have bigger wingspans than their height take me for example im standing at 166cm with 175cm wingspan(and im not really a broud shoulders type of a guy).
Title: Re: Re: Before - After pictures
Post by: Dna1233 on July 02, 2016, 05:07:58 AM
What was your wingspan before surgery?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ghostfish on July 03, 2016, 03:41:23 AM
Hi Iamready

You look great!!  I really admire you for such a determination and honesty.  You are a true inspiration and I will follow your path someday.  Just one question for you.  I remeber that you were suffering from an electric shock like pain from some kind of surgery.  Do you still have it or at least is it getting better?

For other guys, I know this is a forum for discussing anything related to LL.  However, don't be too much obsessed with the proportition.   That would be not helpful for you guys to get over height neurosis. 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on July 03, 2016, 09:51:00 PM
For Willsa, I have pain because I use the walker so much and my body is getting used to it.  To Ghostfish, that electric shock pain is gone, I never want to think about it again. 
I really don't have a problem with my arms.  My mother was taking pictures from a really low angle and it was making me look taller than I am.  This picture was taken by my father so I suppose this is what I look like from the eyes of someone 5 foot 5.  I also wore my underwear so that people could see my honest proportions without clothes hiding them.  My left hip is hiked up a little due to tighter muscles on that side but my physical therapist advised me it would loosen up with time. Enjoy.

(http://i.imgur.com/ejvWSve.jpg)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on July 03, 2016, 09:57:08 PM
tibs are a little long but I see it cause I look for it.


 No one will notice anything strange on you. you look completely normal (atleast from this pic).


 

A strange question, but it seems that your scrotch area is really really far away from your belly button. Do you wear your underwear under the "normal line" or was it always like that?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on July 03, 2016, 10:01:22 PM
I just have a really big dck.  Nah, I think it looks like that because I have no ass to hold my underwear.  I'll post a comparison pic of me in my underwear before the surgery and after so you can analyze my crotch.  It'll be in the before and after section. Edit: the pic is up. Looks like my crotch was always low, now you have me looking down my pants.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on July 04, 2016, 12:14:47 AM
This new picture definitely looks better actually. I think you just need to get more fat/muscle in your legs and you'll look much better mate.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: CCMidwest on July 04, 2016, 02:34:53 AM
Even with the new height you have big feet!  :)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ghostfish on July 04, 2016, 03:28:36 AM
Hi Iamready

You look really great in those picture.  I will be really happy if I were you. 
I am also very glad that your pain has been gone.  Your recovery seems really fantastic!!
Keep it up!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: hype88 on July 04, 2016, 01:36:22 PM
fk yeah that looks mint bro 8) I would not pick you for having CLL! Your portions look great I'm jelly AF... Do you think you'll be able to return to 100%?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ortholengthening on July 05, 2016, 03:04:51 AM
any idea on when you can walk without crutches/walker?
I think it's been about 8 months since your surgery now ..?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on July 05, 2016, 05:44:33 AM
any idea on when you can walk without crutches/walker?
I think it's been about 8 months since your surgery now ..?
I did my last lengthening a little over a month ago.  I'm going in for x-rays in 2 weeks.  The timeline is usually 3 months after you finish lengthening but i'm hoping for quicker consolidation because I had good bone growth.  I had my first surgery 8 months ago on the tibias- they are already consolidated- but now i'm waiting for the femurs to consolidate- surgery was 4 months ago.

As for Hype- yeah i'll return 100%; if anyone can it's me.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ortholengthening on July 05, 2016, 05:46:26 AM
thanks again for your detailed answers!
much appreciated by all who follow
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on July 07, 2016, 05:44:59 AM
Some new pics if anyone is interested.  I found an old photo of me by myself. The one of me in the sweats is from 4th of July and the one in the jacket is a new one of me playing dress up.
(http://i.imgur.com/n6wthja.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/1x5p22z.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/4WH32bk.jpg)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: alps on July 07, 2016, 01:43:03 PM
win!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: CCMidwest on July 07, 2016, 01:59:19 PM
I like the James Dean look.

You know you're now taller than he was? That's awesome!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Peaceout on July 07, 2016, 02:55:14 PM
I like the James Dean look.

You know you're now taller than he was? That's awesome!
he was 5'8 right ? 

You look great btw.Im quite sure that no one will notice anything about your proportions,even when you are nked.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: CCMidwest on July 07, 2016, 03:11:22 PM
he was 5'8 right ? 

According to the google machine, yeah he was 5'8.

Not sure if celebrities lied about their height back then like they do now though.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on July 07, 2016, 03:20:54 PM
hows recovery going? Pain, power, elasticity etc...
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on July 07, 2016, 03:43:14 PM
Mate you look much better post LL actually lol
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on July 07, 2016, 04:58:41 PM
BTW, could you do some pictures with summer clothes? I mean shorts, short sleeves or no sleeves at all.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on July 07, 2016, 06:16:00 PM
TTBIKE- Let me get some meat on these legs first.  Every pair of shorts I wear looks like a damn skirt because of how skinny my thighs are.  I might post a pic if I can find some tight shorts that fit me.

Edit: Found tight shorts.  I actually bought this pair of trunks while my lengthening my tibias and they were skin tight.  Now they are baggy!
(http://i.imgur.com/XjiT1Vf.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/FRTTMcE.jpg)  (http://i.imgur.com/B4Pcr1v.jpg)
Thanks for the comments all.  I go to therapy 3-4 times a week- absolute torture; human pretzel- and slowly but surely becoming human again.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ortholengthening on July 07, 2016, 07:52:46 PM
awesome
with your long torso and arms you legs look short  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: YourSpaceBoyfriend on July 07, 2016, 07:54:22 PM
Damn you look actually pretty nice for almost 12cm of lenghtening

Btw what was your starting height exactly in CM?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on July 07, 2016, 07:56:35 PM
amazing. Nothing more to add
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: CCMidwest on July 07, 2016, 08:10:23 PM
Meh, just looks like you skipped leg day is all.  ;D

I just noticed that in most your pics you are favoring the right leg by putting weight on the left instead? Part of recovering I'm sure, just observing is all.

Edit:

Maybe I missed it, but I don't think you actually said what the total lengthening on femurs was.

Tibias was 5.6cm, with a total of 11cm done. So you did 5.4cm on the femurs?

Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on July 07, 2016, 08:45:18 PM
Well right now since my muscles are so tight, my left leg is sucked up in my hip more than the right so it's difficult to get them even. I'm told when I'm fully weight bearing and walking it will sort itself out.

My original height at the time of my consultation was measured at 164cm. It was shocking because I always thought I was a touch under 5 foot 6. Anyway, I was measured again at right before my lengthening at 165 cm. after the Tibias were finished they measured me at 171cm and after my femurs I wasn't measured because I had trouble getting my heels down. My dad measured me at 177 cm recently and I guess that additional height is from all the months of me not putting stress on my back and joints.  I don't really trust the paley institute's measurements to be exact because their numbers would change depending on which doctor read my x-Rays but according to them I got a little over than 5.6 in Tibias and 5.7 in femur.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on July 09, 2016, 02:24:45 AM
Just wanted to keep you guys updated. Just a month after my last lenghtening my bones have healed and I'm ready for full weight bearing.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ortholengthening on July 09, 2016, 02:28:14 AM
 :o :o :o :o
you freak! ready for full weight bearing 1 month after last lengthening!!
that is great news!!
look out world~~
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on July 09, 2016, 03:08:20 AM
Hmm mind if we see your X-Rays? To see how it looks and what not?

Also unaided, how's your gait? I bet it's definitively not normal but it'd be interesting to see how it's at.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on July 09, 2016, 10:26:15 PM
I dont know if this was already said by you, but what is your inseem now?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Moubgf on July 10, 2016, 01:37:51 AM
How did you afford quadrilateral lengthening?.

Isnt that like double the money over 1 million money?.

If that isnt the case i want it done like that. Because im doing femurs with Guichet this year. And i would like 5.5 cm in tibia and femurs. instead of 8 cm in femurs all in once. since i think that wont really look good.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on July 10, 2016, 01:43:20 AM
How did you afford quadrilateral lengthening?.

Isnt that like double the money over 1 million money?.

If that isnt the case i want it done like that. Because im doing femurs with Guichet this year. And i would like 5.5 cm in tibia and femurs. instead of 8 cm in femurs all in once. since i think that wont really look good.

I asked the Paley's institute, they said that for quadliteral would be between 200-300k dollars (All included and more towards the 300k figure)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Moubgf on July 10, 2016, 03:05:16 AM
I asked the Paley's institute, they said that for quadliteral would be between 200-300k dollars (All included and more towards the 300k figure)

So around 2 million in europe money lol! thats retarded sorry to say
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: YourSpaceBoyfriend on July 10, 2016, 09:58:27 AM
That's US medical industry for you.
Besides what europe money? If we live in the same world i remember euro being more expensive than us dollars.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: shorthandsomedoc on July 10, 2016, 12:53:17 PM
What was your inseam before and what's your inseam now?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: applesandoranges on July 18, 2016, 12:33:06 AM
Been following this for a while now. I have a question for you: if you could pick between doing just femurs or just tibias, which segment would you pick? Thanks!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on July 18, 2016, 12:45:55 AM
That's a very difficult question.  There's a reason I did both; because I wouldn't have been happy with a long femur and short tibia and vice versa.  I personally saw both segments as very short and I thought that lengthening one segment would make the other segment look shorter than it already was.  However, if I was only able to do one segment I would have done the femur 6cm.  Femur lengthening is also relatively complication free when compared to the tibia lengthening.

I don't feel like posting the x-rays now; it's a hassle but when I get the energy, I promise to post it for you.  I wore size 30 length; they used to drag on the ground. now they are above my ankle.  I'm probably size 31-32 now but I haven't gone shopping for pants yet so i'm not sure.  I can walk fine but it requires a lot of energy and it hurts my ankles.  My consolidation outpaced my preparation for walking, so I'll be using crutches until I can walk long distances without pain in ankle and hips.  To be more specific, the pain is not unusual, it's just from tightness and weakness.  My body is not used to having all my weight shifted from one leg to another. 

I went out to Hollywood today and it was the first time being in a crowd of people.  I am definitely average height and it's surreal being taller than half the population.  This surgery was definitely worth it; i'm living the dream.  Hopefully in a month or two i'll be able to provide you guys with an updated video of me walking perfectly and being active.  At that point I will peel myself away from this site.  Hopefully i'll have left you guys with enough information.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: YourSpaceBoyfriend on July 18, 2016, 12:47:38 AM
Chill and take your time you already gave here a lot of courage and hope.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ortholengthening on July 18, 2016, 12:56:29 AM
we are all happy for you
you give us (hobbits) hope!!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on August 02, 2016, 06:03:39 PM
Yo
Just wanted to provide you guys with an update.

I moved out of my parents home.  My condo is still rented out to a family so I got a studio in Hollywood.
Unfortunately I had to stop physical therapy in order to go back to work full time.
I'm making steady progress and pain free in the femurs. The only thing preventing me from walking without assistance is pressure on my foot and ankle which with time will get stronger and adapt to the weight being put on it.  Moving out and living in an apartment complex was a good idea: i'm forced to walk around a lot more than I would at home.  Getting to the pool and to the parking lot is quite the exercise.  Inside my studio, I usually walk without crutches or walker, it's just for longer journeys that I use assistance.

I still prefer using the walker over the crutches because the walker allows me to walk normally while using minimal pressure when I need assistance.  I have become so adept at using it that often I'll just hold the walker above the ground in front of me and walk.  I went out to a bar this past weekend and I was surprised at how approachable I was with the walker.  Guys were giving me props for going out like that or girls were asking what happened.  Honestly, as much as I would love to tell you guys with certainty that my height has made me more attractive and approachable, I think it would be premature to make that assessment; only because I still had my walker with me and there is a possibility that I was being approached  and complemented because I looked like I was hurt and people were curious and kinder than they normally would be. 

If you leave home with crutches or a walker, be prepared for people to be nosy.  Everyone asks what happened.  I can't even go to the gym comfortably because people who have never met me want my life story.  Even when I say I had surgery, they pry deeper and i'm forced to tell them that it was surgery on my bones and i'd rather not go into detail.  I slipped up this weekend and lied to a girl who I was speaking to and said I got into a car accident.  We were speaking for a good 20 minutes before she asked what happened and I just fumbled.  It didn't feel right at all and since she lives in my building i'll tell her I lied. 

Personally I feel like I look the best in flat shoes, even if it means sacrificing an inch or more of added height.  Having said that, I wore my tallest sneakers out and asked a girl if anything looked off on me and even when I told her that I used to be 5' 5" she thought I was nuts for even questioning if I looked natural.  I've asked several other people the same question but they were people I knew and I wanted to hear it from someone random.  So who knows, maybe as time passes, I might go back to wearing air max shoes and boots but for now i'll stick to converse and loafers.

I spoke to another patient who began walking before me and he told me it takes approximately 3 months to walk normally for long distances; that seems to be what i'm on pace for, 2 more months to go.

Anyways, that is all for now.  Back to the grind.

 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: CCMidwest on August 02, 2016, 06:12:58 PM
Talking about wearing tall shoes and boots and what not...I guess I gotta ask:

Do you still feel short?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on August 02, 2016, 06:17:40 PM
Love hearing from ya always man! Favorite diary in the forum.

Thanks for going out of your way and getting the opinions of others; reasures me as much as it might reasure others!

Keep it up buddy! Be careful out there.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on August 02, 2016, 06:22:38 PM
I'm going to give it to you honest.  The main reason I brought up the shoes is because I have a big expensive shoe collection.  All of those shoes were purchased with the intent of making me appear taller.  It may seem irrational but now I have a crap ton of shoes that are barely used and look too amazing to just be be sitting around.  I favor flat shoes but there's still a part of me that feels guilty for not using the pairs in my collection.

I'm glad you asked if I still feel short.  I feel average.  So you have to ask yourself, after you have gotten limb lengthening, are you content with being average?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: CCMidwest on August 02, 2016, 06:29:38 PM
Haha, well...I'm in boots from Santoni today so..., I understand the shoe thing.

Average is good.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: EndGame on August 03, 2016, 01:40:26 AM

I'm glad you asked if I still feel short.  I feel average.  So you have to ask yourself, after you have gotten limb lengthening, are you content with being average?

You've got Moxy :)!!! Instead of getting your rods removed in a year, you could go and max out to the full 8cm on each instead ;).... That's not a suggestion lol, but having experienced LL you certainly would know if it's worth it to you or not.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: YourSpaceBoyfriend on August 03, 2016, 09:18:27 AM
16cm in total? That would be proportional suicide.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on August 05, 2016, 03:41:48 AM
No worries.  Not going to be maxing out.  Anyway, I still walk like a robot but I thought it would be cool to post this and we can compare how much I improve over time.  The calf muscles filled in relatively quickly but my thigh muscles and especially my ass are no where to be found.  It honestly sucks not having a butt.  Sorry if I haven't gotten back to all the personal messages. Eventually I will. 
Edit:  Decided to hold off till I make some corrections in my walk.  I just noticed.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on August 06, 2016, 12:21:53 AM
Here's a vid of my walking progress.  My left side is worse than the right because everything on that side is hiked up.  It's a muscle imbalance that will hopefully take care of itself without therapy and what not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZsgPIlUUk4
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: YourSpaceBoyfriend on August 06, 2016, 12:54:44 AM
It looks a little stiff but i hope it will wear off with time.

Btw you look great, definitely one of my favourite diaries(probably because im similar with height, proportions and goal).
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Polycrates. on August 06, 2016, 01:43:13 AM
A little stiff, but your proportions look fantastic! I know you told me I look fine when we met, but I must applaud you on choosing to do both segments. It's the only way to look this good.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on August 06, 2016, 04:08:24 AM
Thanks for the update! And nice... you finally started editing your videos lol

A little stiff, but your proportions look fantastic! I know you told me I look fine when we met, but I must applaud you on choosing to do both segments. It's the only way to look this good.

Huh what a revelation...
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: alps on August 06, 2016, 08:36:39 AM
way to go, big man!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Polycrates. on August 06, 2016, 09:23:34 AM
Thanks for the update! And nice... you finally started editing your videos lol

Huh what a revelation...

For most on here it is.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: hype88 on August 06, 2016, 01:34:56 PM
Looking good mate! Must be an amazing feeling to be standing at that height:) are you able to get around relatively easy? Have you noticed a change in people now that your taller? I would imagine you'd be more confident!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on August 06, 2016, 06:21:40 PM
First, thanks.
Polycrates- I couldn't tell you got the surgery at all.  I think once you are on this forum long enough you start paying attention to specific body parts of people rather than the sum of their parts and you become more critical of yourself and others. 

I used the youtube edit function.

Getting around is a lot easier.  I use a mixture of walking and walker day to day.  I wish I could say with certainty that the reason i'm getting so much attention is because i'm taller but since I use the walker it might be because some women feel a need to take care of a guy in need.  I really don't want to sound over confident, delusional, cky, but I've never had it so easy with girls as I have now and in the past few weeks since I've been more mobile.  I didn't even think a hot 18 year old would sleep with a guy who uses a walker but it's happened more than once already and honestly there is quite a selection.  Like I said, who knows, it might be because i'm so vulnerable now and not because of the height but the latest girl was a hair taller than me and if I was still 5 foot 5 it would have likely limited my selection.  In terms of other guys, one thing I noticed is that I get a bit more respect.  Unfortunately it seems that we are wired that way but it's not such a huge deal to me.  Right now i'm more focused on the additional selection of females I have unlocked, and honestly it's becoming a little stressful.  I really don't want this post to seem like i'm bragging; my only intent is to share an honest account of what is happening, and maybe i'm just a little shocked or overexcited about what has been happening.

If you are curious where I have had so much luck meeting girls in the past few weeks, it's actually at my apartment complex.  It's a huge place with several different social areas where people hang out during the day and night and it gives me a great opportunity to be active and meet people without having to leave my home.  And instead of lying to people or telling them I got limb lengthening off the bat I just say that I am recovering from broken legs and I prefer not to talk about that period of my life.  Everyone shuts the fk up after that.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Arch on August 06, 2016, 07:02:38 PM
You look great, just be patience and heal it up my friend!

You've had a very good LL story, I'm so glad you finally got to be yourself :)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on August 06, 2016, 09:20:46 PM
I would say its the height+confidence. Enjoy it. You earned it
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: hype88 on August 07, 2016, 08:40:01 PM
Mate honestly job well done! Your struggles are all worth it, so I hope you can go on living the life you deserve! I can't wait to do the same thing as you. I'll keep you posted, and if I go through we should meet up. It would be good to have a friend over there that's already done it!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Lgazer on August 07, 2016, 10:34:43 PM
Congratulations Iamready
One question: we have recently read some horror stories about Paley. What would you say about those? Have you seen patients with serious complications? There are some in the internet.
Cheers
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: EndGame on August 09, 2016, 04:09:46 AM
Fantastic! While not 100% normal, it's so good I'm surprised you still need to use the walker much at all. No duck ass that could see. Congrats!

How often do you need to do stretching at this point? Only once a day or even less?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: EndGame on August 09, 2016, 04:20:12 AM
Also, congrats on getting so much action now that you are just a little mobile. I'm curious, as it's a large apartment complex you've met them at, would you say it's more women who had seen you before and recognized you from pre-LL days but didn't give you the time of day back then? Or more women who are new to the building or had simply never seen you before?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on August 10, 2016, 12:06:30 AM
Hey I got a quick questions whenever you can: How do you feel you look when you tuck in your shirt? And, ever lay down and just feel like you have really long legs, as if that was a negative thing?

These questions are all about your self-perception; trying to like get into your mentality I would say lol..

Cheers!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on August 12, 2016, 02:49:15 AM
Thanks again.

I have answered all your questions below.

How do I feel I look with a tucked shirt?  Here's a vid with your answer. I'm still a bit stiff without the physical therapy but it's improving.
I watched over the vid and I misspoke.  I didn't mean it's better than being short, I meant I like it better than when I was shorter. Sorry if I offended anyone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CvO_2dZJTk

When I first came back from Florida and my legs were incredibly thin, I was turned off by how spider like they were.  But now that they have thickened up, particularly the tibias, my legs are the favorite part of my body.

About the Paley horror stories.  It's not the most organized place and complications happen but everyone I know of came out ok after all was said and done.  Just save extra money because not all the lengthening's go perfectly, especially with Tibia.  Even after all that I went through, I really don't know of any other place I would have trusted for this surgery. 

I used to go to physical therapy 4 times a week and they would stretch me.  But since I am back to working and sitting in an office chair, my progress is slowing down, and that's ok because I know eventually I will be 100%, I just have other priorities now.  I don't really stretch
but I try and practice walking as much as I can.

I'm new to the building so these girls have never met me before.  I'd say the shorter ones would have still liked me pre ll, and the only thing that has changed is my chances with the taller girls.  I am hooking up with someone who is 5 foot 9, perhaps she wouldn't have been attracted to me if I was still 5 foot 5. 

Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Polycrates. on August 12, 2016, 03:22:52 AM
Looking good you handsome sob. You don't look disproportional at all and your gait is phenomenal. Congrats on all the action you're getting, I wish I could be so fortunate, lol. Kinda makes me wanna do femurs to even out my legs.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on August 12, 2016, 03:34:40 AM
Thanks Polycrates.  If you want to be fortunate with the ladies, get yourself a walker, it's better than having a puppy when it comes to meeting women.  You don't need the femurs to even out, even though I respect whatever decision you make.  When I met you I 100%- on my life- could not tell that you got limb lengthening.  And you were tall as fk.  So go get them.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Polycrates. on August 12, 2016, 03:38:06 AM
Height aside, my life is in the proverbial gutter right now (lost job, lost apartment, lost car). Just proof to those on the forum you need more than height to be successful in life's endeavors. I'll recover in time though, and thanks for the kind words.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on August 12, 2016, 04:22:47 AM
Thanks again.

I have answered all your questions below.

How do I feel I look with a tucked shirt?  Here's a vid with your answer. I'm still a bit stiff without the physical therapy but it's improving.
I watched over the vid and I misspoke.  I didn't mean it's better than being short, I meant I like it better than when I was shorter. Sorry if I offended anyone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CvO_2dZJTk

When I first came back from Florida and my legs were incredibly thin, I was turned off by how spider like they were.  But now that they have thickened up, particularly the tibias, my legs are the favorite part of my body.

About the Paley horror stories.  It's not the most organized place and complications happen but everyone I know of came out ok after all was said and done.  Just save extra money because not all the lengthening's go perfectly, especially with Tibia.  Even after all that I went through, I really don't know of any other place I would have trusted for this surgery. 

I used to go to physical therapy 4 times a week and they would stretch me.  But since I am back to working and sitting in an office chair, my progress is slowing down, and that's ok because I know eventually I will be 100%, I just have other priorities now.  I don't really stretch
but I try and practice walking as much as I can.

I'm new to the building so these girls have never met me before.  I'd say the shorter ones would have still liked me pre ll, and the only thing that has changed is my chances with the taller girls.  I am hooking up with someone who is 5 foot 9, perhaps she wouldn't have been attracted to me if I was still 5 foot 5.

Glad you feel that way. You look really good man. In fact, besides the arms thing (which still honestly is my biggest area of scrutiny) you actually remind my of 5'8 friend who also has a very simlar build to you. Thinking about it, I feel like I would actually like that body type; there is something really good looking about having long limbs.

Thanks as always for your response!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on August 12, 2016, 05:50:45 AM
Sorry to hear that Poly.
Thanks Alu. Np
My legs look nice in the video; the camera was sitting on my couch.  My dad took these 2 from his eye line- about 5 foot 6-, you can see him in the mirror.  It seems like the camera angle really influences how long they appear.  Also it could be the Iphone lens because my head looks big in these.  I really prefer how they look in the video.   
(http://i.imgur.com/KbnazVl.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/JCUlS6E.jpg)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on August 12, 2016, 04:56:23 PM
One thing I have been meaning to ask Limb Lengthening veterans- in case you happen to be reading; how long did it take to get your ass back?  I'd say my calf muscles are fully formed already but my thigh area and butt are very thin still.  Were you able to get the butt and thigh to pre limb lengthening size?  I've also noticed that I lost a lot of my upper body strength as well.  I can do unlimited dips because of the walker but I tried doing pull ups for the first time since surgery and I can barely do 1.  It's pretty shocking since I was always able to do at least 10 pull-ups without having been to the gym in a while.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on August 12, 2016, 05:29:28 PM
One thing I have been meaning to ask Limb Lengthening veterans- in case you happen to be reading; how long did it take to get your ass back?  I'd say my calf muscles are fully formed already but my thigh area and butt are very thin still.  Were you able to get the butt and thigh to pre limb lengthening size?  I've also noticed that I lost a lot of my upper body strength as well.  I can do unlimited dips because of the walker but I tried doing pull ups for the first time since surgery and I can barely do 1.  It's pretty shocking since I was always able to do at least 10 pull-ups without having been to the gym in a while.

The vast difference between your calves and fems glutes is because your calfs are always working when you walk and because they are also under constant tension due to the complex tendons.. Its not only hypertrophy but also some minor form of fibrosis in that area.
 about glutes and fems, from ll vets who i got their contact, it takes a while to get those back...
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on August 12, 2016, 05:55:47 PM
Thanks, I believe the info about the calf muscles because they grew very quickly and I have a feeling they are going to be huge.  But of course huge calf muscles would look odd with thin thighs so I need to work the thigh out a lot and asap.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ub40 on August 12, 2016, 06:08:22 PM
You look really good man. Your proportions actually look better post surgery. I felt the same post lengthening. Remember, having long legs is considered attractive so you're right about not wanting to hide it.

Congratulations, hope you're back to 100% soon
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on August 12, 2016, 06:21:45 PM
Appreciate it.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Peaceout on August 12, 2016, 07:09:37 PM
You look really good man. Your proportions actually look better post surgery. I felt the same post lengthening. Remember, having long legs is considered attractive so you're right about not wanting to hide it.

Congratulations, hope you're back to 100% soon
agreed,i saw your old photo and i can say that your proportions look really good now.Can you measure your wingspan?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on August 12, 2016, 07:29:35 PM
Hey Peaceout.  Thanks.  The real reason I never measured my wingspan was because I didn't want to get caught up with my proportions, sitting height, etc.  It was never on my mind when I wore lifts and I don't want it to be now.  I hope you understand
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: YourSpaceBoyfriend on August 12, 2016, 07:43:42 PM
Damn son now you are one handsome devil. Good luck with your ongoing recovery.


Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Peaceout on August 12, 2016, 08:05:16 PM
Hey Peaceout.  Thanks.  The real reason I never measured my wingspan was because I didn't want to get caught up with my proportions, sitting height, etc.  It was never on my mind when I wore lifts and I don't want it to be now.  I hope you understand
No problem man i understand :)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on August 12, 2016, 08:09:02 PM
Yo thanks Yourspaceboy and Peaceout appreciate you respecting my wishes.  Have a good weekend all.  I'm going to train hard these next few days, going to get my butt back!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: mrmayor on August 15, 2016, 08:05:52 PM
Question for Iamready:  i hope this doesn't sound naive, but were you able to workout (your upper body) at all during LL?  I mean, could you do pushups, pullups, anything? 

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on August 16, 2016, 01:38:07 AM
great update iamready.

 Do yourself a favor. Dont concentrate on the proportions. You said you slept with a bunch of girls which obviously means they have seen you nked. If they even didnt say anything (teasing) about your proportions, than you proportions are fine. Dont get into this proportion whirlwind. You look just fine.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: willsa on August 16, 2016, 02:40:52 AM
dude! you're walking and looking great! hows the pain these days? what kind of movements are you still struggling with? i heard walking down stairs is a tough one at this stage. thank you again for this diary, it was amazing to see and learn from this transformation with you over the past year.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on August 16, 2016, 03:35:17 AM
Mr Mayor- I personally was not able to because I did both segments and the tibias were only 50 pound nails.  But if you have 75 pound nails and are doing the femurs, I am sure you can work out.  I recommend using a machine that you can sit and do upper body exercises.  Also if you use a manual wheelchair and move yourself around with it like I did the first month, you will get huge shoulders and arms.  I eventually got a motorized wheelchair and lost that muscle.  Then when I got to the walker I gained some muscle from using it but I did not use it as much as I should of because I had flexibility issues and pain.  My one piece of advise if you are only doing one segment is use the walker as soon as possible and use it often.  I don't recommend pushups because you are putting strain on the nail and bone in that position.  Also for pullups, they are fine as long as you can reach the bar without jumping and can land softly while still holding the bar.

TTBIKE200- I was going to write something long about this.  But all you need to know, is that the only opinion people have shared with me in real life is that I look a lot better.  My sister who was against this operation, told me that once she saw me, she finally understood why I wanted to do something so drastic.  And she will not shut up about how good she thinks I look.  BTW, just so you know, the girl I spend the most time nked with, is my height- maybe .25 inches shorter, and much taller with heels.  And she has never ever once said any comment about my proportions.  You are absolutely right that I shouldn't concentrate on proportions.  Thanks for your support.

Willsa- Thanks for the comment.  The pain is in the ankles and tightness in the calf area.  I struggle when I have been sitting for a while and want to get up. I also struggle in the morning with tightness.  Today I got locked in the stairwell of my building.  Don't even ask how but I had to go down 3 flights of stairs to get to the emergency call box so I could get free.  There's some tenderness in my shins when I did that but nothing difficult.  I literally walked down the stairs with my walker over my shoulder and my other arm holding the railing.  I'm glad you liked the diary.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Christopherbulder on August 16, 2016, 10:23:35 AM
No worries.  Not going to be maxing out.  Anyway, I still walk like a robot but I thought it would be cool to post this and we can compare how much I improve over time.  The calf muscles filled in relatively quickly but my thigh muscles and especially my ass are no where to be found.  It honestly sucks not having a butt.  Sorry if I haven't gotten back to all the personal messages. Eventually I will. 
Edit:  Decided to hold off till I make some corrections in my walk.  I just noticed.


for totalemment recovered after removing the nails
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: blahblah on August 17, 2016, 04:25:54 AM
More photos please :)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: OldieButGoldie on August 17, 2016, 09:36:12 PM
One thing I have been meaning to ask Limb Lengthening veterans- in case you happen to be reading; how long did it take to get your ass back?  I'd say my calf muscles are fully formed already but my thigh area and butt are very thin still.  Were you able to get the butt and thigh to pre limb lengthening size?  I've also noticed that I lost a lot of my upper body strength as well.  I can do unlimited dips because of the walker but I tried doing pull ups for the first time since surgery and I can barely do 1.  It's pretty shocking since I was always able to do at least 10 pull-ups without having been to the gym in a while.

Your ass will never be 100% like before. But almost, so no big deal. Takes around 12 months...(depending on how hard you work on it).
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: BilateralDamage on August 18, 2016, 01:48:56 PM
Your ass will never be 100% like before. But almost, so no big deal. Takes around 12 months...(depending on how hard you work on it).

Ain't this the truth!

Incredible diary. My only question for you is how are you dealing with all the scars? Are the ladies asking you where they come from? Any plans for future removal?

Cheers Iamready, and the best recovery to you.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on August 18, 2016, 03:11:09 PM
Ok that ass comment got me  :-[
I'm working everyday on it and also working on getting my thighs to be as large as my calf muscles; it has become an obsession.
The scars on the tibia do not bother me at all. Some of them are brown spots but really who gives a  .  The scars that are odd to me are the ones on my butt cheeks.  From where the rod entered and the upper screws were put in.  For some reason those are the most pronounced and ironically have never seen sun light but are the slowest to heal.  I think it is time to put some ointment on to help with the recovery.  I just told the girls I don't want to talk about it and the only scar that is really visible are those on my butt cheeks.  The one girl that I see regularly nags me about what happened and why I won't open up but it's now time to get rid of her because she is acting a bit unstable.  She likes to turn the air conditioning down to ungodly levels and even though I told her it is uncomfortable spooning with her at sleep because of my legs she kept me up for an hour crying.  I'm venting, I am frustrated.

The thing that has me a little worried about the scars is I really hope that they open up the old scars for the rod and screw removals or else i'll have double the scars and probably a hefty scar removal bill.

Cliff Notes: Right now it's not a worry but it might be when I get my rods removed.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on August 18, 2016, 04:30:41 PM
Your ass will never be 100% like before. But almost, so no big deal. Takes around 12 months...(depending on how hard you work on it).

Wow in what ways? How would my beautiful ass be affected so much by it? Man... now I'm reconsidering this all together.

Ain't this the truth!

Incredible diary. My only question for you is how are you dealing with all the scars? Are the ladies asking you where they come from? Any plans for future removal?

Cheers Iamready, and the best recovery to you.


Wow isn't this a huge blast to the past...

May I ask how have you been doing all this time BD?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: BilateralDamage on August 18, 2016, 06:28:57 PM
Ok that ass comment got me  :-[
I'm working everyday on it and also working on getting my thighs to be as large as my calf muscles; it has become an obsession.
The scars on the tibia do not bother me at all. Some of them are brown spots but really who gives a crap.  The scars that are odd to me are the ones on my butt cheeks.  From where the rod entered and the upper screws were put in.  For some reason those are the most pronounced and ironically have never seen sun light but are the slowest to heal.  I think it is time to put some ointment on to help with the recovery.  I just told the girls I don't want to talk about it and the only scar that is really visible are those on my butt cheeks.  The one girl that I see regularly nags me about what happened and why I won't open up but it's now time to get rid of her because she is acting a bit unstable.  She likes to turn the air conditioning down to ungodly levels and even though I told her it is uncomfortable spooning with her at sleep because of my legs she kept me up for an hour crying.  I'm venting, I am frustrated.

The thing that has me a little worried about the scars is I really hope that they open up the old scars for the rod and screw removals or else i'll have double the scars and probably a hefty scar removal bill.

Cliff Notes: Right now it's not a worry but it might be when I get my rods removed.

Cheers. You're on the right path, keep working on it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIri9YLHpOg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIri9YLHpOg)  ;D

Wow in what ways? How would my beautiful ass be affected so much by it? Man... now I'm reconsidering this all together.

Wow isn't this a huge blast to the past...

May I ask how have you been doing all this time BD?

Nice to see you Alu. I don't want to barge in on Iamready's diary with info about myself, but I'm doing well. The height is treating me well and my body has conformed properly. I've tried to move on from LL mentally as much as possible, which is why I've stopped posting (I think that's what happens to most LLers).

The information I've gotten pre-surgery from threads here have been invaluable, and I feel a bit guilty about not contributing. If it makes anyone hopeful, life returns to complete normalcy, and the only reminder I have of LL are the dark scars running up both my thighs (they've keloided and never disappeared, I'm getting steroid injections and doing bleaching for them now). I also have a weird gait when I run but that's the least of my concerns  :P

Don't be thrown off by the butt comment, you'll probably get 80-90% of it back. Height >>>>> male butt! ;)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on August 18, 2016, 09:01:45 PM
Sweet BD. Thanks for the information. It would be nice to get an update/closing thoughts on your diary about how recovery was, life post LL, and anything you'd like to share about Paley.

I know it would be a great help to me since back then I was just creeping on the forums and begrudgingly didn't have the nerve to ask you some questions.

Besides that, I'm happy for your little visit here and how happy you've been lately.

Cheers!

Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on August 22, 2016, 03:49:29 AM
Got some new pants yesterday and took a pic with a friend of mine for comparison.  He is a little over 5 10.  The new pants size is 30 waist and 32 length. 

Today I bumped into the building manager and he saw me walking with a cane and was commending me on my progress. Then he asked what the real story was.  I put the walker on the ground and said to him,  "Look at me close and you tell me."  He still didn't know.  The funny part is I told him the day I rented my unit why I was using a walker- because I got surgery to get taller- and he thought I was joking!  He couldn't believe that there was such a surgery and it was a real fun conversation.  Oh and I forgot.  He was trying to guess my height and he kept guessing 6 foot and 6 foot 1.  He is 5 foot 9 himself, but he didn't have a clue how to guess my height.

Anyways- Enjoy.
(http://i.imgur.com/0QY27Up.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/OEF7Fmq.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/ZuOxfrt.jpg)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: doomsday on August 22, 2016, 10:12:30 AM
Dude you are looking absolutely normal and it's coming from someone who's going through LL right now and been researching LL for over 7 years. A normal person would never guess that you did LL. Get back in shape and enjoy life!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on August 23, 2016, 01:44:31 AM
Dude you are looking absolutely normal and it's coming from someone who's going through LL right now and been researching LL for over 7 years. A normal person would never guess that you did LL. Get back in shape and enjoy life!

Have to agree. Wouldn't have been able to tell honestly. Congrats.

Thanks for also sharing the pant size number. I have to ask, do you cuff it or anything?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on August 23, 2016, 05:20:10 AM
I made the switch to flat shoes and it's made a big difference in terms of feeling 100% about my outfits.  I initially thought my shorter tops would have to be canned because they made my legs look quite long but they actually look nicer on me because the sleeve size is correct and my pants actually fit. The first pair of pants came cuffed. But you can uncuff them. The second are laid out all the way. I got 2 different fits to see which one looks best when my thighs actually fill out.

Thanks for the comments. I'm working out everyday and getting results. Nobody is more motivated than me to get 100% again. The cane is actually getting a worse reception then the walker in terms of people's perception. You basically go from someone recovering from an injury to someone who looks like they have a motor disease. But it's practical as fk. I stopped seeing the girl I was banging because she was trying to sleep over every night and during this recovery phase the little things like disagreeing on temperature and not wanting to cuddle or be next to her  because of discomfort was driving us to fight all the time. I need to get rid of this cane so I can feel normal again and get back to one night stands.  Anyway. Just sharing my thoughts. Have a good one.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: blahblah on August 25, 2016, 04:18:50 AM
Man I get super excited every time you post photos or videos(no homo), So more please! You are a motivation to me since you are a great example of someone who had to go through the muck to get to the promise land.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: DoingItForMe on August 31, 2016, 09:09:05 AM
One thing I have been meaning to ask Limb Lengthening veterans- in case you happen to be reading; how long did it take to get your ass back?  I'd say my calf muscles are fully formed already but my thigh area and butt are very thin still.  Were you able to get the butt and thigh to pre limb lengthening size?  I've also noticed that I lost a lot of my upper body strength as well.  I can do unlimited dips because of the walker but I tried doing pull ups for the first time since surgery and I can barely do 1.  It's pretty shocking since I was always able to do at least 10 pull-ups without having been to the gym in a while.
I got my ass back gradually. It wasn't something that just happened overnight. But yea, I did notice that Hank Hill ass after LL. It comes back, don't worry. The problem is that you haven't been squatting or doing any kind of butt exercises for a while. So as you do them more, it'll fill up. Right now, it probably feels like there's no muscle there at all or your butt muscle is just thin like pancake. Prior to LL, my butt muscle was probably like a fist size. You could grab it. It's now 14 month post op, and my butt muscle is probably half an inch thick only. I only just got strong enough to start squatting, so that's probably why.

As for pull-ups, is it become you're becoming winded easily? I noticed that my stamina was really bad after LL. I could do maybe 5-7 pull ups in a row 6 months post-op. Prior to LL, it was 10 or so. I also gained 15 lbs compared to my previous weight. My BMI remained exactly the same, though. That might be why it's hard to do even one pull up.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on August 31, 2016, 04:12:16 PM
Hey. I just started doing squats last week.  I am finally noticing an improvement in my butt and my thighs.  But I am also doing at least an hour training on my legs every other day.  The reason why my butt was bothering me so much is because it was large before and it dwindled into a deflated beach ball with saggy skin- I don't know if this is the case with all bubble butted people but mine certainly turned into an old man's ball sack.  It also helps to work out the hamstrings because that gives curves to the back of the thigh.  About the pull ups, it's no so much that I get winded but more so I lost the muscle to pull myself up.  I am meeting with Paley next Tuesday to make sure everything is on pace with my recovery and to get some more information about fine tuning.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: rock112 on September 04, 2016, 11:02:46 PM
Wwwwwwwww. I was watching your videos, what you said about proportions. "All you see is a tall person." So true man, I can't believe how insanely great your proportions look now. I would never ever in a million years guess LL. You look incredible, and also for being 31 your face looks really good too!

How is your recovery going? Do you still feel constant pains? What did Paley say?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on September 14, 2016, 08:49:07 PM
how is your recovery going? Are you still using a cane?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on September 15, 2016, 05:31:00 PM
Sorry I didn't respond sooner.  I read the comment at work a while ago but forgot to answer.

I only use the cane once a week at most if it's going to be a long walking journey.  For everything else I am without it.  There is minimal pain in the morning and stiffness in my ankles and lower calf.  The thighs have no pain, neither do the knees.  My hips are aligned again.  Everything is good, but I should be stretching more instead of being content with my progress. 

I decided to remove all my pictures and videos from the diary.  After reading the Apotheosis thread and seeing all the mocking I think it's best.  Hopefully you guys understand and were able to gain something from my experience. 

Keep you guys updated in the future. 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: YourSpaceBoyfriend on September 15, 2016, 05:38:30 PM
I decided to remove all my pictures and videos from the diary.  After reading the Apotheosis thread and seeing all the mocking I think it's best.  Hopefully you guys understand and were able to gain something from my experience. 

I understand but people were mocking Apo only because he is a deluded scammer so idk... your choice.

I only use the cane once a week at most if it's going to be a long walking journey.  For everything else I am without it.  There is minimal pain in the morning and stiffness in my ankles and lower calf.  The thighs have no pain, neither do the knees.  My hips are aligned again.  Everything is good, but I should be stretching more instead of being content with my progress. 

You think your pain and stiffnes will go away in time? I mostly ask because you recover pretty quickly and nicely.

Anyways glad that you update, good luck.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ub40 on September 15, 2016, 05:56:00 PM
Sorry I didn't respond sooner.  I read the comment at work a while ago but forgot to answer.

I only use the cane once a week at most if it's going to be a long walking journey.  For everything else I am without it.  There is minimal pain in the morning and stiffness in my ankles and lower calf.  The thighs have no pain, neither do the knees.  My hips are aligned again.  Everything is good, but I should be stretching more instead of being content with my progress. 

I decided to remove all my pictures and videos from the diary.  After reading the Apotheosis thread and seeing all the mocking I think it's best.  Hopefully you guys understand and were able to gain something from my experience. 

Keep you guys updated in the future.


Of course we understand.. Thanks for sharing your journey with everyone.

And while no one deserves to get bashed like syop, it needs to be mentioned that some people were seriously hurt as a result of his actions
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on September 15, 2016, 06:10:37 PM

You think your pain and stiffnes will go away in time? I mostly ask because you recover pretty quickly and nicely.

Anyways glad that you update, good luck.

When I first came back from Florida- and in the absence of daily therapy- I was in horrible shape.  I could only stand on my tip toes and my knees could not get close to being straight.  But stretching fixed all of that, and now I have made so much progress that it's hard to believe I won't make a full recovery.  I just need to be more diligent about stretching my ankles because that seems to be the source of my morning stiffness.  Part of what helped me recover so quickly was wearing flat flat shoes because even sneakers allow you to cheat by having your heel off the ground.  If I wear even an inch heel my walking is instantly more comfortable but walking with flats allows you to feel any imbalances and fine tune your walking until it is perfect.  These are the shoes I use http://www.hm.com/us/product/46078?article=46078-A

I understand Apotheosis harmed people as a result of his actions but I don't agree with bashing his looks.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on September 15, 2016, 07:20:04 PM
Harmed is a nice way of saying "got the crippled for life"...
 But yeah... I agree that the talk on his looks is idiotic... Especially since the guy is good looking... I dont know...

 Best of luck Iamready! Your diary was one of if not the most informative on this forum. Thanks alot for everything and enjoy your new height for the rest of your life! :D
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ub40 on September 16, 2016, 02:54:34 AM

I understand Apotheosis harmed people as a result of his actions but I don't agree with bashing his looks.

I absolutely agree, I was merely explaining that he has enemies whereas no one has a reason to go after you.

I understand why you want to protect your privacy though, some people can be pretty hateful especially when they can hide behind anonymity
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: tallerz on September 25, 2016, 11:16:44 PM
Thanks for your posts man, hope your recovery is going smooth.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Peaceout on October 19, 2016, 11:03:46 AM
Hey man,its been over a month since last update.How are you??
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: willsa on October 24, 2016, 03:54:01 AM
Iamready, how have you been doing? How are your check ups going with Paley, pain, differences since last update?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: rock112 on November 05, 2016, 08:45:10 PM
Lol I'm assuming this guy won and just went on to go have a fun, happy life?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: KrP1 on November 13, 2016, 11:04:00 AM
You look amazing with your New height bro! You are going to feel much more confident now
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 14, 2016, 07:18:41 PM
Thanks Krp1.  I appreciate the comment.
Peaceout and Willsa.  My leg recovery is actually going great.  I was working out my legs everyday until I began my humerus surgery and surprisingly, since resting my legs from working out, they feel amazing and almost all my tightness in my ankles is gone.  The only barrier I had from feeling great before was when I would wake up or get up from sitting a long time I would have to stand for a few seconds to alleviate the tightness in my ankles.  I no longer have that issue, and I look forward to moving onto the next phase.  Running and jumping.  I will be spending a lot of time in the pool practicing these motions and working out because I think all the hard work I was doing on land was having a detrimental effect on my progress.

apoxyomenos I will respond to your questions in a pm if you don't mind.

I met with Dr. Paley today and there is good news for people interested in tibia lengthening.  It seems that now when they lengthen the tibia they insert an additional rod?/nail in the fibula and fixate it better to the tibia.  I don't have the exact details so forgive me if I didn't phrase it correctly but they have improved their process to prevent any complications- which is always a good thing.


Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: onemorefoot on November 14, 2016, 08:49:32 PM
What about the full weight  bearing nail that Elipse will put in the market soon? Have you any update? That nail is still Precice2 but almost full weight bearing.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Peaceout on November 14, 2016, 09:56:41 PM
You just droped the bomb and left:D
Please give more information about your arm lengthening.
When did you decide?Like after some clothe types you started to dislike your look or?
You said 4 cm.What dr.Paley thinks about it?and what does he think about AL in general?
What does it feel like?What do you feel while moving your hands?
I really cant understand.You were looking fine in your proportion pics how is that possible with a -9.5 cm index?You even shared a pic next to a normal 5'10 guy and it was totally normal..
(Assuming its internal?)
How much did you do so far?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 14, 2016, 11:09:12 PM
onemorefoot- I didn't ask about that nail, he just brought up this info to me.  I'll try to remember to ask next time.

Peaceout-
I had a gut feeling early on, but I gave it time to become educated on the process and to make sure I was making the right decision.

Dr. Paley understands.  He is totally fine with doing AL, and is confident enough to allow me to continue at home.
Up to 8cm is ok but of course i'm much more conservative with my goal. Ultimately, the nail that lengthens 5cm would fit in my humerus.
The first week it's exactly what you would expect a broken arm to feel like; I can only explain it as "fk."  My experience with hospital pain management has been less than stellar so I decided to forgo use of the PCA pump and painkillers during my 2 day stay.  I am however using light painkillers at the moment.  It's still extremely painful and hurts whenever I move it sharply or try to exert any strength.  Most of the time I have a pulsing pain from the osteotomy site.  It's more difficult than I expected.  The reality: none of this is easy.  Lengthening is relatively painless though.  I assume most of my pain is left over from the trauma caused to the bone and muscles from the bone osteotomy and nail insertion.  Physical therapy hurts quite a bit.  I can write just fine and using the computer is becoming easier everyday.  Hence my sudden posting- I was in lurker mode for a while. 

I understand people thought I looked normal in my pictures and in real life and I agree I looked surprisingly good next to a natural 5 10 but I don't think it's unreasonable for someone who grew 4.5 inches in their legs to want to balance it out by lengthening their arms.  Ultimately, I gave it a lot of thought and I am confident I made the right decision. 

I am at 1.6 cm right now and if everything goes well and looks well I will go to 4cm.

Finally, I don't regret lengthening the amount I did, but I do think I was naive for me to do so without giving thought to my arm length.  I was going to keep this surgery to myself but I was disappointed to find that Apo's diary was deleted and I was left with very little information to guide me.  The least I can do is be honest with you guys and I hope in return you guys can respect my decision to go through with this lengthening.   


Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: apoxyomenos on November 14, 2016, 11:44:47 PM
Implicitly, even if the arm length is a better indicator than wingspan, you will verify the proportional vitruvian assumption according to which: new height about 176cm=new wingspan (168+4+4).
Thanks for sharing also this third experience in the forum, and good luck for this new journey!!!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: onemorefoot on November 15, 2016, 12:37:26 AM
Just one thing ,Iamready, since when did you save money??? You have put a lot of effort and money on it.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 15, 2016, 12:46:29 AM
since 2007.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Ghostfish on November 15, 2016, 05:18:19 AM
Hi Iamready

Thanks for the update!!  I am very happy for you making a great progress.  You are really brave and amazing.  Ideally it would be better to lengthen arm as well.  I probably can't make enough time for both legs and arms, though.
Good luck for your all journey!

Best wish
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: rock112 on November 15, 2016, 05:51:10 AM
Hi, I'm a complete moron when it comes to arm lengthening. Will arm lengthening impede any future ability to workout/build muscle/define your arms? And is the flexibility & range of motion recovery better than LL? There's very little information about AL out now unfortunately, thanks.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Peaceout on November 15, 2016, 07:27:14 AM
Thank you so much man.Please keep us updated.good luck!!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: applesandoranges on November 15, 2016, 09:16:08 AM
Why lengthen humerus and not the forearm?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: midnightninja on November 15, 2016, 12:16:39 PM
Why lengthen humerus and not the forearm?

From what I've read it is a lot harder and complicated to do forearm lengthening.
I haven't seen many people who have done it, humorous on the other hand. I have seen lots of people doing it.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: goldenegg on November 15, 2016, 11:37:58 PM
I understand people thought I looked normal in my pictures and in real life and I agree I looked surprisingly good next to a natural 5 10 but I don't think it's unreasonable for someone who grew 4.5 inches in their legs to want to balance it out by lengthening their arms.  Ultimately, I gave it a lot of thought and I am confident I made the right decision. 


honestly I thought you looked great too. when you compared yourself to a natural 5'10 person were your arms noticeably shorter?

also, what did dr paley say about the prospects of a full recovery? do you think you will lose some arm strength in the long run and was this a trade-off you were willing to accept for better proportions?

best of luck man
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 18, 2016, 02:58:55 AM
Hi, I'm a complete moron when it comes to arm lengthening. Will arm lengthening impede any future ability to workout/build muscle/define your arms? And is the flexibility & range of motion recovery better than LL? There's very little information about AL out now unfortunately, thanks.

My flexibility is great but range of motion is difficult on my right arm.  Its tough to raise my hand up, but i'm told it's due to the trauma of having a nail enter through the shoulder.  Other than having to wait a while to work my arms out again, gaining muscle on my arm should be similar to gaining muscle on your legs post LL.  I did a bit of snooping around and found some candid photos of Apotheosis pre and post arm lengthening.  His upper arms and shoulder region is very muscular post AL; it could just be his particular set of genetics.  But you're right, there is very little info on AL on cosmetic patients.  Besides Apo my research led me to people who did it on one arm looking to fix a discrepancy so ultimately we shall find out more together with time and hard work on my behalf.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 18, 2016, 03:20:00 AM
honestly I thought you looked great too. when you compared yourself to a natural 5'10 person were your arms noticeably shorter?

also, what did dr paley say about the prospects of a full recovery? do you think you will lose some arm strength in the long run and was this a trade-off you were willing to accept for better proportions?

best of luck man

The contrast of having long legs and short arms is something I took notice of, and I thought rather than convince myself I was ok with that difference, I decided to take action and did so responsibly.  I totally get
how some people think it's unnecessary; i'm not here to defend my decision but only to provide people with some insight on the process of arm lengthening.  I think it's realistic to expect some loss of strength similar to that of leg lengthening.  As with all things there are trade offs that an individual should take into account before undergoing this surgery.  Hopefully I make a strong recovery and when that time comes- good or bad- I will keep the forum updated.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: applesandoranges on November 18, 2016, 04:00:12 AM
Ur also Lengthening forearm after?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on November 18, 2016, 04:06:40 AM
The contrast of having long legs and short arms is something I took notice of, and I thought rather than convince myself I was ok with that difference, I decided to take action and did so responsibly.  I totally get
how some people think it's unnecessary; i'm not here to defend my decision but only to provide people with some insight on the process of arm lengthening.  I think it's realistic to expect some loss of strength similar to that of leg lengthening.  As with all things there are trade offs that an individual should take into account before undergoing this surgery.  Hopefully I make a strong recovery and when that time comes- good or bad- I will keep the forum updated.
Thanks for the information man. Appreciate your insight and honesty. No judgemnts here, and I look forward to hearing what you have to say!

Ur also Lengthening forearm after?

No
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Penguinn on November 18, 2016, 04:08:31 AM
You've got guts. Trade-offs in the arms sound worse than the legs. Hope it goes great for you. Your experience will be invaluable to those considering AL.

Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: KiloKAHN on November 18, 2016, 04:27:36 AM
Damn dude, Dr Paley doesnt think doing a 3rd lengthening so soon will be bad for you? So much stress on your body in such a short period.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 18, 2016, 04:56:46 AM
Damn dude, Dr Paley doesnt think doing a 3rd lengthening so soon will be bad for you? So much stress on your body in such a short period.

I'm halfway done lengthening and the x-rays show good bone growth.  I think if I came into my consultation walking funky he wouldn't let me but he has so much experience with these surgeries that I trust he knows best.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: KiloKAHN on November 18, 2016, 05:41:05 AM
Not so much wondering about your bones but more curious about your muscles. But you seem to be fine so hope it stays that way. You're a trooper.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 18, 2016, 05:48:51 AM
Not so much wondering about your bones but more curious about your muscles. But you seem to be fine so hope it stays that way. You're a trooper.

I'll definitely let you guys know if it wasn't wise to do all this so soon.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Peaceout on November 18, 2016, 10:04:03 AM
I'll definitely let you guys know if it wasn't wise to do all this so soon.
tyvm man,best wishes..
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Peaceout on November 18, 2016, 01:50:41 PM
Can you tell where/how did you find pics about apo's AL.I only talked with a LL vet once and he told me that Apo did AL and he said he is %100 sure about it.Besides that i dont know any information about it.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 18, 2016, 02:46:14 PM
I'm not proud to say it but I did some pretty intense investigation on social media.  All I have to say is he looks much better post AL.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on November 18, 2016, 03:27:15 PM
Sure he looks better post AL. Tall people have longer limbs (longer legs AND arms and forearms) rather than much longer torso. You rarely see a disproportionate tall person for the simple fact that all of them have arms that match the length of their legs. Much longer torso would put alot of stress on the spine and this is why some of the taller folks who instead of very long legs have long torso suffer from alot of back problems (proven my medical literature... Not inventing).


Just remember Iamready that you should lengthen according to your femurs lengthening and not total lengthening since you dont want your hands to come too close to your knees
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 18, 2016, 03:30:43 PM
Def. not going to lengthen to knees.  It won't even be halfway to my knees when I am done.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: willsa on November 26, 2016, 02:24:46 AM
Wow very courageous to go back for more! That will be very valuable for others to hear about.

Hows recovery going on the legs? Anything you can't do or still is difficult? How are the mornings?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on November 26, 2016, 04:06:51 AM
Legs are much better from the time I began lengthening my arms. I'm not sure if it's from the time passing or because I switched to sleeping on my back but I no longer have issues with tightness and ankle pain when getting up from bed.  You also rely on your legs much more because pushing off from the seating position is not something I feel comfortable doing with broken arms.

I'm a little over an inch on the arms and progress is hiccup free- besides the obvious discomfort of lengthening my arms 4 times a day. 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Chris on November 27, 2016, 08:47:29 PM
I'm a little over an inch on the arms and progress is hiccup free- besides the obvious discomfort of lengthening my arms 4 times a day.
So you're lengthening your arms at 1mm/day?
I hope this will help you to find inner peace with your already great looking proportions :)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: EndGame on December 09, 2016, 02:16:12 AM
Are you done lengthening?  Was stretching difficult or easy to do with arms? You do it on your own after returning home? Hope all is well!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 09, 2016, 07:02:42 AM
I am lengthening 1 mm a day.  Sleeping is becoming impossible due to shoulder pain- I wake up every 45min, stretch, then pass out; rinse and repeat.  I'm not sure exactly why it is that sleeping, resting, causes such incredible pain but as long as I keep active I am fine.  My flexibility is perfect and I just stretch throughout the day and do various exercises.  I am at 4cm now and I will continue onto 5cm.  One of the things I worried about going into this was my humerus to ulna/radius proportions and how it would ultimately look.  Luckily, I am able to see it evolve day to day and compare it to my starting point.  I can't speak for everyone else's perception, but I am really happy with how it looks. I just hope I can stand the sleepless nights for 10 more days.  At 5cm, I still will be a little short of a natural wingspan.  My self confidence has sky rocketed and I am looking so much better in my clothes and without.  I'm very happy I decided to go through with this.

8cm added wingspan
(http://i.imgur.com/C3DViFh.jpg)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: guichethope on December 09, 2016, 08:25:50 AM
Hi can you put pics of your tibia scars please it would be very kind  :)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: midnightninja on December 09, 2016, 08:44:54 AM
You are at my goal AL length! 4cm.

I would say so far you look absolutely great! I would never notice.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Peaceout on December 09, 2016, 09:18:36 AM
thank you so much for the pic man.I must agree that i was thinking just like you (about radius/ulna proportions after AL).But honestly,it looks really good..!

Edit:Did you loose any weight since the time that you posted your last pics?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 09, 2016, 09:26:07 AM
Even though I could see my hands were hanging lower than they used to, I was super relieved to see the big gap between my bone in the x-rays.  I wasn't expecting the proportions difference to be subtle, so I had myself convinced for a while that I wasn't actually lengthening. 

Yeah I lost muscle, because all I can do now is work out my legs and use the recumbent bike.  My belly is bigger though.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: guichethope on December 09, 2016, 09:41:29 AM
Hi Can you run ? Do you feel pain in legs . Can you walk normally  ? How are your scars ?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: fivesix on December 11, 2016, 07:57:02 PM
Iamready,

How would you describe your overall pain that you experienced during your LEG lengthening with Paley? How much did the medications help and would you reccommend the surgery to others as a result.

Thanks

-FiveSix
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Peaceout on December 12, 2016, 12:21:28 PM
So will rods stay couple years?How do you feel now?
And if its not too much troubl for you,can you post a pic from your side view ?I really want to see how it looks like especially with a tshirt.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 12, 2016, 01:55:54 PM
Guichethope, I won't run until my arms are healed.  I don't want to fall and catch myself with broken arms.  I can walk normally. Scars are ok and would have been better if I took care of them during the process.

Fivesix, I had a painful leg lengthening experience.  The medication does not help as much as you would need it to and it's not great for your body.  I would only recommend the surgery to someone who isn't deterred by the possibility of pain.

Peaceout, Rods in my leg will stay for a year, and I feel great in my legs just tremendous pain in shoulder and neck area as a result of arm lengthening.  I'm done with photo requests.  If i ever want to post a photo I will.  But other than that, I probably won't be posting pictures on this site again.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Moubgf on December 12, 2016, 02:30:13 PM
I am ready. What is your opinion on 8 cm femurs with guichet. Thats only 1 inch 3 cm more then you did on your femurs. And my starting height is 167. I look pretty much like you. Since i cant (obviously) afford 2 let alone 3 surgeries. Im gonna max out 8 cm on femurs. Anyway whats your opinion now that youve done it. And i want to be your height. Its worth the disproportion compared to total height gain right?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Auron on December 12, 2016, 04:05:20 PM
Scars are ok and would have been better if I took care of them during the process.

What do you mean by taking care of them? What is it that you could had done that you did not do?

Keep it up, you're almost there.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Whimsical on December 12, 2016, 04:16:22 PM
Scars depend largely on each person scarring but a good surgeon can help doing a good job. Dr Paley is good for that. He does good stitches.
It's true you can take care of scars using some products after surgery but scarring is highly dependent on each skin qualities. In some cases they do nothing.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 12, 2016, 05:58:06 PM
Well for example, I really didn't care for scars on my legs because mine are hairy.  But this time with the arms I took measures to prevent scarring and it works great.  First and foremost you must keep them covered from the sun.  Second, I use Maderma cream with spf over my scars to reduce the appearance.   Make sure if you go out to the pool or in front of the sun you keep them covered with a band aid.  And last, as Whimsical said, the stitches were done so well on my arms that i'm confident no scars will be left.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: fivesix on December 12, 2016, 06:16:40 PM
Thanks!

What would you rate that pain out of 10. I know there are millions of posts about pain on the forum but it helps having more experiences firsthand about the pain.

-FiveSix
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: IwannaBeTaller on December 12, 2016, 06:26:08 PM
Hey Iamready. I just read some parts of your diary, and it looks like this surgery was a great decision for you. You prepared well and long for it, so that probably helped. I'm really happy to see you are enjoying your new height and wish you all the best.

I saw that your pants waist size is 30 inches. Mine is as well, so I'm also quite skinny. I was also pretty skinny and thin as a teenager, did you ever wonder if your lifestyle when growing up stunted some of your height potential? Or did you have a better lifestyle than me during that time? Personally, I still ponder a lot what I possibly did wrong during my teenage years, even though I will never know.

You said that arm lengthening is pretty painful, but overall I imagine it must be easier than leg lengthening, because you can still walk and don't have to burden your arms in everyday situations. Anyway, I'm really curious how it will turn out, so keep posting your experience, please.  ;)


Also, I was wondering how you managed to arrange so much free time for all your surgeries. You said you saved up money, but did you quit your job when the surgery date came closer? Were you self-employed and could simply arrange time off? You don't have to go into details, just some vague information on how you did it would be enough.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: guichethope on December 13, 2016, 10:49:16 AM
So how much did you lengthening in your legs  in total ?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 13, 2016, 11:21:03 AM
At some points the pain was 8 out of 10. I did a lot of crying as therapy. I had a particularly difficult time; I'm not sure anyone else in the group of people lengthening with me had it close to as bad as I did. I've blocked out a lot of the experience. They say  what doesn't kill you makes you stronger but that is bs. It's not healthy to endure the pain I did but what's done is done.

I don't think anything I did stunted my growth. My parents were short, and I grew up athletic and playing sports. Can't say I didn't try every method under the sun to try and get taller before accepting limb lengthening as the realistic option.

Arm lengthening is different than limb lengthening but I wouldn't call it easier. Not being able to use your hands or arms the first few weeks is like being trapped in a straight jacket. I actually felt more free with the wheelchair and being able to move and transfer with a strong upper body and no legs.

I have a business I run with my cousin and fortunately he was able to take over my responsibilities. It wasn't the best thing for the company for me to be away but this was a step in my life that I felt needed to be done and could no longer be postponed.

I lengthened 11.5 in my legs total. I wouldn't recommend doing as much as i did unless you are ok with the possibility that you may want to get your arms done as well. It's not so much about proportions as it is about harmony between the upper and lower limbs. Basically the only issue I had was with where my arms fell on my body. I became bottom heavy. Right now at 4.3 cm I feel amazing and extremely confident. This is a feeling I missed when I just did my legs. I feel like I reaped a lot of the benefits of being taller but ultimately I felt like I needed to get my arms lengthened to complete my journey and I feel totally right now that I'm nearly done.

The plane ride back and forth to Florida was really rough on my body.  I fell asleep with my head between my legs and have severe neck pain and shoulder pain. So for now I'm putting a pause on lengthening to see if I feel good enough to continue to 5 cm. I'll make that decision soon. But of course safety first.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: BiggestProblem on December 13, 2016, 04:03:25 PM
Is it possible to get the images Pm:ed if I promise not to share them? I really wanna see the differences.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 13, 2016, 05:56:51 PM
Here.  But please guys when I say that I don't want to post pictures please respect that from now on, if I want to post a picture, I will post it on my terms only.  I'm skinny as all hell now, there's no muscle to distinguish the forearm and bicep as there was before, i'm in a lot of pain, and the last thing I want to do at this stage is take pictures.  I realize that you guys want to see what it looks like but for the first time in a long time I am happy with my appearance and I don't want to become some case study that people constantly want pictures of to scrutinize.  Try and see this from my perspective.

(http://i.imgur.com/lvXzMXb.jpg)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: BiggestProblem on December 13, 2016, 05:58:59 PM
That arm looks good!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: guichethope on December 13, 2016, 08:47:06 PM
hey nice arm do you have pics of your legs ? I' m very interested .
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Overdozer on December 13, 2016, 11:50:29 PM
and I don't want to become some case study that people constantly want pictures of to scrutinize.  Try and see this from my perspective.
Good point. That's why I don't post any pics at all. People will tell you look good, but in other threads use your case as a "freak case", see Apo. And the only reason they do it is to justify and rationalize their own lesser lengthening goals - it makes sense, as no one really wants to go through 3 fking surgeries, but still people on these forums are arrogant as fk. Who cares sharing anything with them. Let them enjoy their one-step lengthening with leg segment disproportion and messed up leg biomechanics.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on December 14, 2016, 01:45:23 AM
Yeah, same here I get that sentiment. Knowing me, you know how much I worry about the proportion sort of thing, and often times I forget that there's an actual person who's willingly sharing his image to us. So to that, in my case— apologies.

In terms of the pic, I will say I am surprised at how natural it looks. Congrats on that!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: fivesix on December 14, 2016, 02:29:40 AM
Thanks brother for the no-fluff description of the pain. I'm looking into lengthening and have been creeping on forums for a year now. The one thing I'm worried about is pain and it sounds like a painful procedure breaking both legs and whatnot. I've seen the pain get described as an 8/10 here before so that's something that I think is individual to the person undertaking the procedure.

Do you think you would've had less pain if you did one segment at a time, or was it the fact that you did quadrilateral lengthening play a part in the pain for you?

Thanks,
-FiveSix
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Peaceout on December 14, 2016, 06:00:05 PM
Well,i completely respect your opinion about it.Thank you for every previous pic and video.Also thanks for making a great diary.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: drvbmc on December 18, 2016, 05:11:20 AM
Hey Iamready (or anyone else with insight into this question):

I am wondering what your thoughts are on level of pain comparing tibias to femurs. I have heard repeatedly on this forum that tibias are considerably less painful than femurs. I figure you would have good insight having both done. Perhaps yours may not be the best comparison, however, since you did them back to back, and were already in recovery mode during the second surgery.

Nonetheless, I don't think we should underestimate the importance of pain.

Pain represents the stress response of the body. Overwhelming pain can certainly affect probability of recovery. I have been a doctor for over a decade (not orthopaedic). In medical school, we are taught that the only 3 areas of the body that can lead to fatal bleeding are abdominal injuries, closed head injuries, and bilateral femur fractures. I feel that breaking the femurs would be dramatically more stressful on the body than the tibias. This could explain the reports of less pain and better sleep for those undergoing tibias.

Thoughts would be appreciated from those who have gone through either procedure.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 23, 2016, 07:53:59 PM
I would say Tibias are more painful. It's 2 bones you are breaking instead of 1. Also the physical therapy we had to go through could get very intense at times. The third reason is that we were required to wear dorsiflexion boots st all times which were incredibly uncomfortable. I had to get custom boots made because of how painful they were on my wide feet.

Also during recovery the femurs recovered quickly and I had no signs of pain in that region. However the ankle pains linger from the tibia operation and have just recently began to subside.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on December 24, 2016, 08:28:19 AM
So today concludes my very painful arm lengthening.  I should be at 5cm each arm, i'll have to wait for x-rays to confirm; the exact number doesn't really matter at this point.  I wouldn't say the actual lengthening was painful, it was first the trauma from the surgery, and the swelling.  Then as soon as that cleared I developed pain in my shoulder region and right after returning from my flight from Florida and starting my antibiotics, the pain traveled to the area between the shoulder and neck and was truly unbearable.  I didn't sleep for a few days because lying down would trigger the pain and being active would get rid of it.  So i stopped lengthening and stretched a lot for a few days until the neck pain went away.  What remained was the shoulder pain and the difficulty sleeping. I'm not sure exactly why laying down would trigger the shoulder pains but it always happened at night and it was horrible.  Some days I fell asleep sitting up on my bed while staring at the wall.  I would wake up every 15 minutes and pass out like that over and over. 

Unlike my leg lengthening, I had no flexibility issues.  At no time during the lengthening did I lose the ability to hyper-extend my arm and I never felt any numbness or loss of finger strength. 

What I think of the results: I'm thrilled. Totally exceeded my expectations.  After doing mock ups, I thought that I would have to stop early, 3-4cm because I would feel self conscious of my humerus to forearm ratio, but at no point did I look at my arms and think they looked worse off than what I started with.  It was where my hands fell on my body that I was unhappy with and when I hit 4cm I looked at photos of myself and knew I needed to continue.  After examining how long my humerus looked in various different poses I proceeded to lengthen to 5cm. 

Before lengthening my arms I didn't feel comfortable in anything but flat shoes, but now i'm back to wearing normal athletic shoes and soon enough i'll break out the old boot collection.  I am glad I wore flat shoes for the first few months though, because they helped me recover.  Learning to walk essentially barefoot is a lot more difficult than having the assistance of a cushioned shoe, and I attribute that to getting on my feet quicker than expected.

Having said all this, this journey has been extremely personal; I did the arm lengthening for myself.  No one noticed my proportions being off before my arm lengthening, but it was something that nagged at me and the satisfaction of the collective journey is finally hitting me.  Unfortunately, the first time standing in front of the mirror after having lengthened my femurs and tibias was unsettling.  I was upset at myself for not thinking about my arm length, but I knew I was being a brat because I had achieved my dream of getting taller.  Despite my efforts to forget about the issue that I had fabricated, I knew eventually I would want to lengthen my arms.  But it was tough, because there was so little information to go off of and no reference photos besides a music video of Apotheosis.  Even though I was excited to get my humerus lengthened there was a part of me that was nervous of how I would feel about the result.  Would I only be able the lengthen a little? Would that be enough? Would I develop another complex?  So many questions clouded my ability to appreciate that I was going to fix what was bothering me.

Well, now I stand in front of the mirror completely content with how I look.  Some of you mentioned at 4cm how surprised you were at how natural it looked.  My honest opinion is that I can tell, and it's not so much that it looks natural, it just doesn't look wrong.  It looks good, and especially for having gained 2 inches in a segment of the arm.   I'm still a bit puzzled at how I was able to pull it off without having to stop myself, but I won't complain. 

Lastly, one thing I learned from this journey is that I am a little crazy.  I can't lie to myself anymore about this.  It's a shame I couldn't just be grateful with the 4.5 inch gain in my height and just continue on with my life.  But things didn't turn out that way and I felt the need to take things a little further by lengthening my arms.  I hope you guys realize that there are people who have lengthened as much as I did and were happy without arm lengthening.  This isn't a requirement, it's just the choice I made.

I really hope this diary helped you guys out and provided some insight in the complete limb lengthening journey.  Please remember when posting on this message board; this is a place for information and for support.  Don't tear each other down, help each other grow.

Peace
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on December 24, 2016, 09:13:14 AM
Congrats man. You made one hell of a journey. You truly are the 1 million dollars man haha.
. Wish you a speedy recovery and afterwards to just move on from this chapter in your life. Good luck mate:)


P.s in the future whenever you will feel like it, a full body pic would be interesting to see. I admit i just want to see it out of pure curiosity
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Peaceout on December 24, 2016, 11:26:56 AM
Great update man,Thanks!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: drvbmc on December 27, 2016, 01:09:32 AM
Many congrats to you for what you have gone through. I have been completely at odds to consider a single 5 cm LL (which I am still not sure if I will ever undergo). Yet here you are, accomplishing 3 separate LL within a 2 year period. It is really quite remarkable, and a demonstration of both craziness and bravery  ;)

Congrats on your journey. Wishing you the best of success in your recovery. You deserve it.

Happy holidays to everyone reading this as well.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: willsa on January 04, 2017, 02:19:11 AM
Hey man, congrats on finishing the journey! Will you still make a video about your thoughts on the whole thing as a big reflection?

Also, what are some things you don't feel comfortable doing still with your legs?

Last question, before the surgery, what did you think would be the biggest difference or change you'd experience after gaining 4.5 inches, and now that you are taller, how much of that was accurate? Any surprises or things you didn't think would happen now that you're taller? Differences you notice in social or work settings?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 05, 2017, 07:33:06 PM
Thanks again for the comments and well wishes.

First and foremost, I haven't really been going out much, except to the gym, daily.  Towards the end of my lengthening, I was aggressively working out my legs and now that I am done with my lengthening and off the painkillers, I feel as if my legs took a beating.  The tibias, in general.  A lot of the tenderness I get in my legs is where the screws are located- the screws that fixate the nail to the bone.  Also there are screws that were added when they needed to straighten out my tibia, and I definitely feel the bone being stressed under heavy activity- while I try to jump or jog.  So I think it's best to keep my level of activity modest- jogging, light jumping- until next fall when I get the rods taken out. 

The following could be important information to other people who have done the tibia and are experiencing some tightness in their leg and ankles.
Before I began lengthening my arms, my lower legs- specifically ankles- were still tight.  So much so, that when I would sit for a minute and then get up, I would need to re-calibrate- stand up for a few seconds before walking to loosen up. 

I noticed, the second day after the surgery, that getting up and walking was already easier.  And I couldn't attribute this to painkillers yet, because I had refused to take them until I took my first crap- I had a horrible experience the time before so the risk outweighed the reward.  Every morning the stiffness became less and less until it was non existent.  At the time I had no idea why I was recovering so quickly in my ankles but my concerns were mainly focused with my arms and the physical therapy that I needed to be done at the time. 

Now, that the process is done, and I have nothing to help me sleep, I am back to my old position of sleeping- on my stomach.  And I can 100% tell you that the reason the tightness in my ankles went away was because I was sleeping on my back and there was no pressure on my feet to fall flat- as it is when you are sleeping face forward.  It may seem trivial or unimportant but I urge anyone who experiences that tightness in their ankles to change their sleeping position to their back- and I understand it could take time, but at least give it a chance because it really helps.  Alternatively, I would recommend you wear dorsiflexion boots to sleep- to keep your feet in the stretched position. 

Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: YourSpaceBoyfriend on January 05, 2017, 08:10:46 PM
Are you going to train your arms later on? I mean more than just standard rehabilitation.

Since i'm working out i'm quite curious how much impact AL has on your arms.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 05, 2017, 08:27:42 PM
Hey man, congrats on finishing the journey! Will you still make a video about your thoughts on the whole thing as a big reflection?

Also, what are some things you don't feel comfortable doing still with your legs?

Last question, before the surgery, what did you think would be the biggest difference or change you'd experience after gaining 4.5 inches, and now that you are taller, how much of that was accurate? Any surprises or things you didn't think would happen now that you're taller? Differences you notice in social or work settings?

I really would love to get back into making videos, but I am just not sure about it yet.  Maybe in the future.

I don't feel comfortable jumping off steps.  Or running full speed.  Even when I try and go quickly downstairs, my right shin feels tender- where the screws are. 

Regarding the last question: I think the biggest difference or change I thought I would experience after gaining 4.5 inches- or just getting taller, because I didn't have a goal at the time- was comfort.  And by that I mean, feeling comfortable at my height without shoes.  Being able to stand barefoot with 100% confidence is something I was not able to do.  I wasn't one of those mentally strong short guys, I was very aware of my height difference- sensitive- and it made me so uncomfortable, that I ultimately changed my height. 
.
It's 100% accurate, that getting taller, specifically to my current height did alleviate my concerns about being comfortable barefoot.
I guess if i'm going to be 100% honest, I am surprised about people's reaction to my new height. Both to people who knew and didn't know.

People who knew are blown away, they just can't stop talking about how amazing the transformation is.  I'd say that since I was there every step of the growth, it's refreshing to see and hear raw reactions from people who knew me at 5.5 to my current height of nearly 5.10.  People who don't know of my operation but knew me before are utterly confused and flustered when they see me.  Understandably so, but besides the obvious response from people- did you get taller? how? - I do get- You lost a lot of weight- just as much.

Because I had my operations so close together, I haven't had as much time to hang out in public or at night to give a proper assessment of how my life differs but my experiences have been great.  Sometimes, when I go out, and i'm looking out above 50% of the crowd at a venue, I just want to high five the crowd and tell everyone what I did and how difficult it all was.

This final area I want to touch upon, i'm always hesitant to talk about because no 2 people are going to have the same experience.  Growing up, I had a lot of girls tell me bluntly, that they wished I was taller.  And I guess I wasn't strong enough to really take that to heart. I took it to mind though and started wearing boots and what not, to appear taller.  Even then, I was still shorter than most people and it wasn't quite the game changer I was expecting. 

Perhaps, I underestimated 4.5 inches, or I didn't want to fully accept that changing my height would make me so much more attractive to certain women. I still don't want to generalize that taller= better because fortunately, I had good experiences with women who loved me at my previous height.  But to be honest, those women are not the 90%.  There are times where I feel like I literally stepped into another dimension- where people are friendlier- and women are much less difficult to get along with- romantically speaking.  Sometimes, i'll expect a girl to walk away once I say something dumb or because of an awkward silence, but I feel as if I have been given a second chance with every failure that simply wasn't there before.  I'm trying my hardest to write this without suk ing my own dck but what the fk, it feels like I have been given a second life.  As if attraction was a game that I had saved last October and resumed just now- with a patch that made everything easier.  I don't know- maybe I have been lucky, maybe I smell different, but things have gone way beyond expectation. 

The fantasies I had when coming back taller, were of me seeing old acquaintances, family members, girls I was interested in, whatever, and seeing their reactions.  But that's just the tip of the iceberg.  So much has changed.  Just a few inches, but a world apart.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 05, 2017, 08:36:02 PM
Are you going to train your arms later on? I mean more than just standard rehabilitation.

Since i'm working out i'm quite curious how much impact AL has on your arms.

Tremendous impact on my arm strength.  I am weak beyond belief.  However, recovery is completely unpredictable.  One day my calf muscles began to grow in strength and size, so much so that I noticed it on a daily scale.  This however was not the same experience with my quads.  All I can say is stay tuned for honest updates but I wouldn't expect me to gain my strength back until an absolute minimum of 6 months.  I am however open to miracles.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: IwannaBeTaller on January 05, 2017, 10:45:43 PM
Thank you again for the detailed description you made about how you feel with your new height. I could relate very well to the comfort thing. A lot of the days when I'm out in the city all day, I think to myself how easy life must be for taller people - they work just like I do, and they go outside just like I do, and they will be just as tired as I am when coming home, but they can go out on the street, to any place whenever they want, and never feel like inferior human beings because of their height. This is what I can't do, and it seems that you can successfully do it now. Good for you, you deserve that feeling.

There have been a lot of reports in media on how terrible LL is, but a fact that is observed in this forum is: For some people, it can really improve life.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on January 05, 2017, 10:47:46 PM
I wonder IamReady, with how many women have you slept between you started dating after LL and since you started your arm lengthening?

 From the looks of it, seems alot hihi. Good for you man! I really mean it!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: willsa on January 06, 2017, 03:22:00 AM
Thanks so much for the reply!! This is very generous of you to share your experience and not sugarcoat anything.

Please do us a favor and check in once in a while. The biggest question I have is how is it 5 years down the line, 10 years, long term, etc. Once you get the rods taken out and the bone fills in, is there a point where you don't even realize/think about it.

I can understand if you don't want to do a video or wait till youre more healed, but your thoughts on the process and Dr. Paley are invaluable. You could just not show your face like in the beginning :P
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on January 06, 2017, 03:29:34 AM
Quick question about the whole compliments thing: Do you feel they say you look better because of the nature of getting taller? Or because your body looks better with your more longer arms, legs, and loss of weight?

Thanks as always. Happy you've been feeling this good man. It's awesome knowing you're already feeling comfort.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Peaceout on January 17, 2017, 04:06:51 PM
Hey its been a while man,how are you?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 19, 2017, 06:18:25 PM
Doing well.  I'm about to go to Universal Studios this weekend.  Which is something I haven't been able to do in a while.  I'm working out everyday; my arms are still insanely weak but at least I can lift light weights now.  I don't really go out that much to bars, clubs, etc. because I would hate to slip and fall and land on my arms that are still consolidating.  It's winter anyway, so i'm not missing much.  I look forward to the spring time, but I have to be careful to cover my scars from sun exposure because I made a mistake with my tibia scars; exposing them to the sun, thus taking longer to fade.  It's not a big deal, they are covered with hair anyway but obviously that's not the case with my arms so I must take special precautions.

To Alu:  Yeah I think people say I look better because I am taller.  Even before the arm lengthening, I was getting the same compliments.  I don't think it has to do with loss of weight because I had a sculpted body a few years back and never got the same praise for my looks.  It also probably has to do with the fact that people don't know what to expect when you come back from this surgery.  And I understand, because I didn't expect to look like a whole other person.  I was trying on an outfit yesterday and I thought- HOLY  - this is me.  It's pretty insane.  I do look like a better version of my previous self.  My thighs are still a bit skinny, I might have to start lifting with heavier weight, but I don't want to rush things and hurt myself.

I'm still in the WHO? ME? phase when it comes to attraction.  I'm just not used to having this much attention. It's almost depressing that a few inches has changed everything for me. 

I understand why some people lengthen extreme amounts or even lengthen when they are already average height.  They see how much of a difference a little height makes in their life and they want more, knowing well that despite their proportions or difficulties in athleticism and recovery, they will be seen as more attractive. 

Personally, i'm very happy with my height, and very lucky I stopped where I did.  Even with 2 inches added to my arms i'd say they are still roughly 2 inches shorter than someone whose legs are naturally my length.  I actually saw someone on the way to the gym the other day who was my height and had even longer legs than I, naturally- his arms were really long as well- but it was really surprising to see.  I would say my proportions are very similar to Henry Cavill's.  Anyway that's enough rambling. 

Peace.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: IwannaBeTaller on January 19, 2017, 08:08:10 PM
I'm still in the WHO? ME? phase when it comes to attraction.  I'm just not used to having this much attention. It's almost depressing that a few inches has changed everything for me. 

I understand why some people lengthen extreme amounts or even lengthen when they are already average height.  They see how much of a difference a little height makes in their life and they want more, knowing well that despite their proportions or difficulties in athleticism and recovery, they will be seen as more attractive. 

This might also be a mental effect though. People do the surgery and because it's such a grave procedure, they automatically feel that something has changed. It's like a placebo effect. People feel better after swallowing little pills that actually do nothing, and LL surgery will be a big confidence boost no matter what your final height might be. This confidence boost also makes you more attractive to other people, even though the height also makes things better, objectively.
 
Anyway, I'm happy that you're doing well and hopefully you will keep us updated.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Peaceout on January 20, 2017, 05:31:13 PM
I'm still in the WHO? ME? phase when it comes to attraction.  I'm just not used to having this much attention. It's almost depressing that a few inches has changed everything for me. 

i believe that also applies for money too :D you know,its quite shocking to see the change on people when it comes to money.. :)

and,thanks for the update.Im really happy for you man!
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 23, 2017, 09:42:20 AM
This might also be a mental effect though. People do the surgery and because it's such a grave procedure, they automatically feel that something has changed. It's like a placebo effect. People feel better after swallowing little pills that actually do nothing, and LL surgery will be a big confidence boost no matter what your final height might be. This confidence boost also makes you more attractive to other people, even though the height also makes things better, objectively.
 
Anyway, I'm happy that you're doing well and hopefully you will keep us updated.

I just want to preface this by saying I am open to the idea that this is all happening in my head or is a result of confidence from being taller.  But, i'm a pretty sensitive person and I notice the little details in life.  And I just want to say there's a possibility I am wrong, but I really think people underestimate how much 4.5 inches is.  And add to that, my arms are longer by 2 inches.  These little details make quite the difference.  I'm telling you, it's completely different.  All I am doing here is documenting the truth.  This is my experience; real life. 

You don't just go through major surgery on 8 bones and walk around with more confidence.  I am not there.  At any point I could trip and land on broken arms.  It's kind of hard to attribute attraction to something mental when I am walking around careful and paranoid.  So I really don't think it's my confidence women are attracted to.  I went from having to approach girls to being approached by girls.  That's a big jump.  It's an entirely new game, and I am still trying to learn the rules.  And once again, I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure it has to do with my new body.

But even after all that I still accept your theory that this could be placebo affect.  All I did was present my argument for why it isn't. 

 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on January 23, 2017, 09:49:01 AM
People do underestimate how much is 4 inches (and it is A LOT). You don't need to be on the defensive... You went from very short to average. You went from having a "defect" to not having one which is a huge gain. It should be also noted that you compare your 5'5 self to a 5'9.5 self. I believe the difference wouldn't be as extreme if you went from 5'7 (you post tibia height) to your current height (but there would still be a difference).

And again, 4 inches is A LOT. I saw a few months ago on the o'brien show, the host measuring an actor. The actor was 5'11.5. Conan is 6'3. The difference between them was that the 5'11.5 guy had his eyes at his shoulder level. If that's a 4-5 inch difference, even a 2-2.5 inches difference in a lot.
  This is why also people here tend to exaggerate the average height... They have no idea just how much a 2 inch difference in height is.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: CaptainAmerica on January 23, 2017, 09:49:20 AM
I just want to preface this by saying I am open to the idea that this is all happening in my head or is a result of confidence from being taller.  But, i'm a pretty sensitive person and I notice the little details in life.  And I just want to say there's a possibility I am wrong, but I really think people underestimate how much 4.5 inches is.  And add to that, my arms are longer by 2 inches.  These little details make quite the difference.  I'm telling you, it's completely different.  All I am doing here is documenting the truth.  This is my experience; real life. 

You don't just go through major surgery on 8 bones and walk around with more confidence.  I am not there.  At any point I could trip and land on broken arms.  It's kind of hard to attribute attraction to something mental when I am walking around careful and paranoid.  So I really don't think it's my confidence women are attracted to.  I went from having to approach girls to being approached by girls.  That's a big jump.  It's an entirely new game, and I am still trying to learn the rules.  And once again, I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure it has to do with my new body.

But even after all that I still accept your theory that this could be placebo affect.  All I did was present my argument for why it isn't. 

 

I am freaking ROOTING for you bro wishing you a FULL recovery. You are the best diary and best procedure I've seen of LL on any forum to date, you are HOPE for ALL of us.

How was Universal? Were you able to 100% enjoy yourself easily with no problems? Lol I actually liked Universal in LA because it's quite diverse and I didn't feel so short. Can't imagine how great you felt.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 23, 2017, 09:57:39 AM
People do underestimate how much is 4 inches (and it is A LOT). You don't need to be on the defensive... You went from very short to average. You went from having a "defect" to not having one which is a huge gain. It should be also noted that you compare your 5'5 self to a 5'9.5 self. I believe the difference wouldn't be as extreme if you went from 5'7 (you post tibia height) to your current height (but there would still be a difference).

And again, 4 inches is A LOT. I saw a few months ago on the o'brien show, the host measuring an actor. The actor was 5'11.5. Conan is 6'3. The difference between them was that the 5'11.5 guy had his eyes at his shoulder level. If that's a 4-5 inch difference, even a 2-2.5 inches difference in a lot.
  This is why also people here tend to exaggerate the average height... They have no idea just how much a 2 inch difference in height is.

Thanks man.  It's a big jump.  I used to wear lifts; at least 1.5-2 inches worth.  And even then, people who see me are shocked.  I literally saw someone have a nervous breakdown in front of me in the gym because he couldn't believe that I was taller than him now.  He was convinced I was my own older brother. 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 23, 2017, 10:04:54 AM
I am freaking ROOTING for you bro wishing you a FULL recovery. You are the best diary and best procedure I've seen of LL on any forum to date, you are HOPE for ALL of us.

How was Universal? Were you able to 100% enjoy yourself easily with no problems? Lol I actually liked Universal in LA because it's quite diverse and I didn't feel so short. Can't imagine how great you felt.

Hey man.  Universal was a fking dream come true.  The whole park was rented out for the party.  THe chainsmokers played a concert.  And every single food place was all you can eat for free.  I ate so fking much, and I couldn't stop because it was all so good.  We got to check out Harry Potter land, and it was magical, there was alcohol everywhere.  I never felt so comfortable in my own skin.  I was having so much fun, being obnoxious, there's whole new me that is coming out of its shell.  I went with an old roomate of mine and her husband, and when she first saw me she was like, "who is that tall guy?"  She was just gushing how different I was.  I don't know what to say anymore.

The only place that I had difficulties was when we were on the escalator going down and my friends wanted to run down the stairs.  If I do that now, I feel a tenderness in my shin where the blocking screws were put to straighten out the knock knee that I got.  So it hampers my confidence when running down stairs and I err to caution.  I think I won't be back to 100% until I get all this garbage off my bones.  It's just an insane amount of metal in there. 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: CaptainAmerica on January 23, 2017, 10:18:12 AM
Hey man.  Universal was a fking dream come true.  The whole park was rented out for the party.  THe chainsmokers played a concert.  And every single food place was all you can eat for free.  I ate so fking much, and I couldn't stop because it was all so good.  We got to check out Harry Potter land, and it was magical, there was alcohol everywhere.  I never felt so comfortable in my own skin.  I was having so much fun, being obnoxious, there's whole new me that is coming out of its shell.  I went with an old roomate of mine and her husband, and when she first saw me she was like, "who is that tall guy?"  She was just gushing how different I was.  I don't know what to say anymore.

The only place that I had difficulties was when we were on the escalator going down and my friends wanted to run down the stairs.  If I do that now, I feel a tenderness in my shin where the blocking screws were put to straighten out the knock knee that I got.  So it hampers my confidence when running down stairs and I err to caution.  I think I won't be back to 100% until I get all this garbage off my bones.  It's just an insane amount of metal in there.

Lol that sounds fantastic man. I'm glad you were able to enjoy yourself and have a normal time. No one else ever writes about stuff like that in their diaries. They just disappear and say life is good or life is good but they have some minor aches sometimes. But it's very motivating to know that you were able to enjoy yourself at a theme park fully 100% without having to worry about anything functionally going wrong. (As I would assume theme park / festivals are a pretty good test for nobility and standing / walking for the average person).

I believe you'll get there. Even your walking videos in those early months looked really good for having done quad lengthening. And lol honestly i'm just as cautious with stuff like that now because I'm wearing lifts because of the instability they cause. Imagine being the dude who falls down while running up the stairs, breaks his ankle, and has his lifts go flying out in front of everyone leaving the park lmao.

Happy to hear from you, good luck on the rest of your recovery.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: IwannaBeTaller on January 23, 2017, 11:50:43 AM
I just want to preface this by saying I am open to the idea that this is all happening in my head or is a result of confidence from being taller.  But, i'm a pretty sensitive person and I notice the little details in life.  And I just want to say there's a possibility I am wrong, but I really think people underestimate how much 4.5 inches is.  And add to that, my arms are longer by 2 inches.  These little details make quite the difference.  I'm telling you, it's completely different.  All I am doing here is documenting the truth.  This is my experience; real life. 

You don't just go through major surgery on 8 bones and walk around with more confidence.  I am not there.  At any point I could trip and land on broken arms.  It's kind of hard to attribute attraction to something mental when I am walking around careful and paranoid.  So I really don't think it's my confidence women are attracted to.  I went from having to approach girls to being approached by girls.  That's a big jump.  It's an entirely new game, and I am still trying to learn the rules.  And once again, I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure it has to do with my new body.

But even after all that I still accept your theory that this could be placebo affect.  All I did was present my argument for why it isn't.

Mate, I absolutely agree that the physical changes do play a role. You went from short to average, which surely is a huge change, and people notice, even if subconsciously. All I said was that the mental aspect also plays a rule, a huge role at that. This is probably the reason why people here report that they feel this surgery was worth it, even if their post-LL height is still below average. It's because they feel that such a grave procedure must have an effect and because they "paid off their mental pain with some physical health" and did something very serious to combat their depression, they do feel a massive improvement. Mental and physical effects play hand in hand. It's good that you get to enjoy the benefits of finally being taller, no matter if mental or physical.

That being said, let's not get hyped up about the guy in the gym who almost had a breakdown because you are now taller. He might also struggle with his height and have bad feelings, and now have the feeling that everyone is getting taller than him.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 23, 2017, 06:33:02 PM
Mate, I absolutely agree that the physical changes do play a role. You went from short to average, which surely is a huge change, and people notice, even if subconsciously. All I said was that the mental aspect also plays a rule, a huge role at that. This is probably the reason why people here report that they feel this surgery was worth it, even if their post-LL height is still below average. It's because they feel that such a grave procedure must have an effect and because they "paid off their mental pain with some physical health" and did something very serious to combat their depression, they do feel a massive improvement. Mental and physical effects play hand in hand. It's good that you get to enjoy the benefits of finally being taller, no matter if mental or physical.

That being said, let's not get hyped up about the guy in the gym who almost had a breakdown because you are now taller. He might also struggle with his height and have bad feelings, and now have the feeling that everyone is getting taller than him.

Hey I was trying to be careful with how I worded my response because I didn't want it to seem like it was combative.  I just wanted to clarify why I felt it was more physical then mental.  I totally understand that there is a mental element to it all.  But it's too soon for me to be benefiting from all of it. 

Onto the guy at the gym.  Fortunately he is a 40 year old guy and he must be around 5 8 to 5 9; he's an alpha type of guy so I never felt he struggled with his height.  He is just very observant and couldn't believe that a 33 year old guy could grow a few inches.  It was just a hilarious response, all in fun.  When it comes to shorter people, I am always super conscious about their feelings because I too was short.  It's a very serious subject to me.  Believe me if a 5 foot 5 guy came up to me and asked how I got taller I would tell him straight up and let him decide if he wants to go pay for this procedure and go through the pain.  There are times when I feel like it's appropriate to share with people my procedure and that instance would be one of them.  I sincerely felt like the guy who freaked out was more surprised at how a 33 year old seemingly grew taller than him and wasn't sure if his memory and mind was playing tricks on him.  That's all.  It's hard to tell when you're on a forum with text but I am genuine and sensitive to people's feelings, so I apologize if it didn't come across like that.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on January 23, 2017, 06:43:06 PM
Did the change in proportions (after AL) also improved the reception you got from women? Or regarding arm length it was all in your head? Do people who saw you before and after AL (and knew you did AL) said now you look better than before?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 24, 2017, 09:26:27 PM
Well, it's a subtle difference.  People don't really size up someone's arms to their body- something I learned while asking people if my arms looked short.  But for me, it has made me more comfortable with my body, and allowed me to wear shoes with thicker soles, such as boots with confidence that my arms don't look too short.  Even though I must say I prefer the aesthetic of flat shoes, it's still fun to wear boots and get an extra 1.5 inch. 

I did ask my dad what he thought after I got my arms lengthened- he was adamant that I looked perfect before, but he agreed that I looked better after my arms were lengthened.  Anyone who wants to gain over 4 inches should be wise enough to set some money and time aside for the possibility that they will want to lengthen their arms.  I can't predict how someone is going to react to their body proportions after ll so it's a very personal issue.  And it very well might be that I have some body dysmorphic disorder where I don't see things as they really are but it's pretty easy to see that your arms are shorter than average when you stand next to people your height, so some of it must have been real. 

Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on January 25, 2017, 04:23:19 AM
Speaking of boots, does it feel awkward wearing shoes that give you 1 inch+? I would assume having longer legs and more cushion under your feet would be a little off. Considering your center of mass is higher up and your legs are already long.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on January 25, 2017, 04:29:35 AM
Speaking of boots, does it feel awkward wearing shoes that give you 1 inch+? I would assume having longer legs and more cushion under your feet would be a little off. Considering your center of mass is higher up and your legs are already long.
Why should it? Taller people have a highier center of gravity... I have a 5'11 friend that wear shirts that are too short for me (in length). My GF's brother is 183-185 and I borrowed a sweatshirt from him and it fitted me perfectly. Both of them wear boots without any problems

edit: The goal of my post was to show that those tall friends I have all just have longer legs than I do... Yet, they dont have any difficulty with walking, squatting (although both need to do a low bar very wide stance squat) and running.. Also no problem wearing boots.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: CaptainAmerica on January 25, 2017, 04:45:00 AM
Speaking of boots, does it feel awkward wearing shoes that give you 1 inch+? I would assume having longer legs and more cushion under your feet would be a little off. Considering your center of mass is higher up and your legs are already long.

It must feel fking AMAZING.

Dude went from 5'5 to 5'10 and probably 5'11 (nearly 6') in boots. Because nearly everyone who's 5'11 says their 6, I'm pretty sure girls think Iamready is 6. And I feel like after 5'11, girls can't really tell how tall you are anyway, and just classify you as tall (like the girl inches phenomenon, no one has an 11 inch penis).

Going from 5'5 to ~5'11-6... What a massive social difference.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on January 25, 2017, 04:18:47 PM
Look, sorry to keep dispelling the notion that taller people are just people with longer legs than their shorter counter parts, but... yeah...

My question was more geared towards how Iamready feels with his body now that his legs are longer and how even more cm through cushion could make him feel aesthetically and physically.  (this is just my uneducated speculation).
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on January 25, 2017, 05:25:36 PM
I never said that taller people have all the height in their legs. But only that some tall people are long legged just like there can be long legged short people.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 25, 2017, 09:04:41 PM
Speaking of boots, does it feel awkward wearing shoes that give you 1 inch+? I would assume having longer legs and more cushion under your feet would be a little off. Considering your center of mass is higher up and your legs are already long.

There's a tradeoff. For everyday normal stuff such as shopping, work, and gym, I wear flat shoes such as vans and converse. But if I'm going to go to a bar or club or an event where people would be wearing high heels I might wear boots and I adjust my outfit accordingly. I wouldn't wear boots with super tight pants and a short sweater. Typically it's a jacket with a longer shirt under to create a more balanced look. Walking is actually very easy with boots. Maybe all those years of wearing lifts helped me out. I suppose it's no different than how girls feel when they wear wedges. Some girls suck at it while others can run in them.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on January 25, 2017, 09:13:22 PM
Ok yeah that's what I was looking for. How it would feel and how it would look. Thanks for the answer.

Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 25, 2017, 09:16:03 PM
It must feel fking AMAZING.

Dude went from 5'5 to 5'10 and probably 5'11 (nearly 6') in boots. Because nearly everyone who's 5'11 says their 6, I'm pretty sure girls think Iamready is 6. And I feel like after 5'11, girls can't really tell how tall you are anyway, and just classify you as tall (like the girl inches phenomenon, no one has an 11 inch penis).

Going from 5'5 to ~5'11-6... What a massive social difference.

Hi. Just a small correction.  I was measured barefoot at the Paley institute at 5 9.5. So with boots I'd be 5 11.  It's amazing how much of a boost that 1.5 inches is. When I go out I would say I'm taller than over half of the guys and roughly 80-90% of girls. I live in Los Angeles so I understand how that statistic would change depending on my location.  Wearing boots is definitely a luxury and I want to keep it that way. I relied on lifts and shoes with larger heels in the past and I'm very careful not to go down that rabbit hole again. I'm all about being comfortable with my actual height. And honestly, even though I wear shoes that are flatter than most everyone on a daily basis- about 5-10 with my converse- I never feel short and I always look perfect in every outfit I wear whereas with boots I look better in some outfits than I do in others.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: IwannaBeTaller on January 25, 2017, 09:16:27 PM
There's a tradeoff. For everyday normal stuff such as shopping, work, and gym, I wear flat shoes such as vans and converse. But if I'm going to go to a bar or club or an event where people would be wearing high heels I might wear boots and I adjust my outfit accordingly. I wouldn't wear boots with super tight pants and a short sweater. Typically it's a jacket with a longer shirt under to create a more balanced look. Walking is actually very easy with boots. Maybe all those years of wearing lifts helped me out. I suppose it's no different than how girls feel when they wear wedges. Some girls suck at it while others can run in them.

What about formal wear? For example when you wear a nice formal shirt tucked into dress pants, are you confident appearing in such an outfit? I supposed it's alright since you wear flat shoes and also did arm lengthening? Thank god there is natural variation in torso and leg lengths.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 25, 2017, 09:19:21 PM
What about formal wear? For example when you wear a nice formal shirt tucked into dress pants, are you confident appearing in such an outfit? I supposed it's alright since you wear flat shoes and also did arm lengthening? Thank god there is natural variation in torso and leg lengths.

Formal wear I would stick to dress shoes which are generally pretty flat.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on January 26, 2017, 01:00:31 AM
What's your pants inseam now?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 26, 2017, 01:33:47 AM
depends on the pant. In seven jeans I'm 32. In diesel I have a few pairs 32 and one in 30 that fits the same as the 32. Who knows?  Why do you ask?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on January 26, 2017, 01:49:02 AM
Because limb lengthening increases your inseam. And since I have seen your post op photos, it would be interesting to know what inseam you have.

 Btw, when a jeans's inseam fits, it means that the jeans/pants not reach the floor being barefoot?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Alu on January 26, 2017, 01:53:53 AM
depends on the pant. In seven jeans I'm 32. In diesel I have a few pairs 32 and one in 30 that fits the same as the 32. Who knows?  Why do you ask?

It's our way of gauging your proportions and ratio to see how it would apply to us... :P
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 26, 2017, 04:36:32 AM
Because limb lengthening increases your inseam. And since I have seen your post op photos, it would be interesting to know what inseam you have.

 Btw, when a jeans's inseam fits, it means that the jeans/pants not reach the floor being barefoot?

I don't know how accurate my inseam is unless I have a tailor measure it for me because it seems inconsistent. I'd say I'm probably a 31. But I've only seen size 30 and 32 so those are the sizes I bought.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Bleda on January 26, 2017, 06:13:31 AM
Hi Iamready, don't want to across as a gushing fan boy or anything, but, congrats on everything you've achieved. I know how hard one LL is and to do 2 back to back and then arm lengthening, well, huge respect. Just a question regarding your AL, so you did both arms at the same time? How was that with functioning in day to day life. Could you still use your hands for most things, or were you fairly incapacitated. I'd like to get my arms done also and getting one at a time done seems like it would be much easier but the double up on time is the bigger problem I feel. 
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 26, 2017, 07:32:37 AM
I'd say the first few weeks your fked. It's tough to sit on a toilet.  It's even tougher getting up off one. And then sleep is difficult. You can forget about using a blanket because you can't even pull a sheet over yourself. In summary, I was more capable of helping myself when my legs were incapacitated because I could use my upper body strength and wheelchair for everything. I couldn't even rest my arms on my keyboard or use a computer mouse for longer than a few minutes. It's a challenge. Don't know how else to put it.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Bleda on January 26, 2017, 08:07:58 AM
Damn. So you had someone to cook your meals, etc, I take it? Sounds like one at a time it is, haha.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on January 26, 2017, 07:53:46 PM
I don't even remember what my meals were.  I stayed in a hotel for 3 weeks after the operation so my meals varied from McDonalds, Cup O Noodles, my own sperm etc.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Rod Thick on January 26, 2017, 08:00:12 PM
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Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Jamee on February 02, 2017, 01:32:18 PM
congratulation on your success man

i have a question,

1-  how big the scars are in your arm and how noticeable they are.
2-  how long is the recovery time for AL.
3- how much it costs you to do AL
4- if you are to describe the difference between AL and LL, what would you say

thanks in advance for your answers :)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: drvbmc on February 03, 2017, 07:16:05 AM
iamready, when you were at paley's, were there any rumblings about the potential of developing a full weight bearing internal rod? the ability to fully weight bear during this surgery (like with ilzarov) would be of huge benefit for many reasons.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on February 08, 2017, 10:13:19 PM
congratulation on your success man

i have a question,

1-  how big the scars are in your arm and how noticeable they are.
2-  how long is the recovery time for AL.
3- how much it costs you to do AL
4- if you are to describe the difference between AL and LL, what would you say

thanks in advance for your answers :)

Scars are like mosquito bites and will be totally gone with time.
Recovery time for AL- I'm guessing a year before i'm 100%
Arm Lengthening cost the same as Leg Lengthening
Difference between AL and LL.  2 different types of pain.  I actually felt like my arm was broken during AL. AL went quicker for me but was a bit more difficult for me the first few weeks.  You don't realize how tough things are without the use of them.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on February 08, 2017, 10:14:00 PM
iamready, when you were at paley's, were there any rumblings about the potential of developing a full weight bearing internal rod? the ability to fully weight bear during this surgery (like with ilzarov) would be of huge benefit for many reasons.

I heard it's supposed to be ready by the end of the year but that could change.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on February 08, 2017, 10:26:33 PM
Sorry for not responding to my messages, i'll get to them soon.

Quick update.  Close to two weeks ago, Paley looked at my x-rays for my arms and said in 1 month I could resume weightlifting.  I have been working out with 3 and 5 pound weights, and even those are tough for me to handle : :o

When I finished leg lengthening and started fully weight bearing, my calf muscles grew large very quickly.  It's not the type of muscle that's actually strong but it looks insane when I flex.  I even had to change my waist size on my pants so my calves could go through the pant legs all the way.  The quads did not grow like my calves but they are slowly filling in and I think they'll be back to normal in less than a year.  My upper arm though, seems to be growing in the same way my calf muscles did.  I exercise lightly but I can see them getting larger by the day.  It would be nice if my shoulder muscles grow quickly as well.  We shall see.  Really glad how my arms turned out but ideally they would be an inch or 2 longer.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: IwannaBeTaller on February 08, 2017, 10:54:58 PM
You mentioned you had relatively short arms compared even to your original height, right?

I think mine are the same. Even with clothes that fit me fine otherwise, the sleeves are always an inch or two too long. When sitting in my car, I can reach the pedals just fine but the steerin wheel is always a little too far away.

You said you think there are some trade-offs to AL. Do you think you won't be able to gain the strength in your arms you were able to gain before AL, even after many years of recovery?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on February 08, 2017, 11:07:51 PM
Yeah I would say my arms were either average or short.  But never long. 
I'm optimistic but only time will tell.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on February 09, 2017, 07:38:03 PM
Here's a pic of my calf muscle.  I only work my quad muscles but my calf keeps growing and the same thing is starting to happen to my biceps.
(http://i.imgur.com/c6sjEC0.jpg)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on February 09, 2017, 07:42:56 PM
wow. it's huge

 I guess if you will wear shoes with small heels (boots and clarksons) it will lower the growth rate. I guess the growth is because the muscle is under constant tension (because of the complex tendine structure) and it makes him "feel" like you are doing isometric training on him non stop.

The same is with the biceps and brachialis muscles. They connect with a tendon that is somewhat similar to the achilles one (a big single tendon) to the other end thus when you stretch it, it exerts alot of force which your arm muscles need to stand against
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on February 09, 2017, 07:55:37 PM
I'll take that theory.  Makes sense.  I specifically avoided shoes with any type of thick sole or cushioning because they felt like cheating during recovery.  Learning to walk in flat shoes was way harder but I feel like I need to stick to flat shoes until I regain all my flexibility.  Plus they just look so much better; it's just a shame I haven't found a very comfortable pair.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on February 09, 2017, 08:02:08 PM
Even before I developed my height complex I wore timberlands, blandstones and clarksons... I just love their style (and so do the ladies :D)
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on February 09, 2017, 08:09:31 PM
It's probably a mental thing for me.  I spent so many years trying to boost my height with shoes and now I have this opportunity to wear anything I want.  I'll wear boots every once in a while but I think that the 10 pairs in my closet will last me the rest of my life.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: 682 on February 10, 2017, 09:58:29 PM
Hello IAmReady, I have been following your diary closely as I believe your limb lengthening decisions have been close to optimal in regards to the doctor chosen, recovery, proportions and balancing risk/reward so for this, congratulations. As I understand it, you finished arm lengthening approximately a month ago and approximately 7 months since full weight bearing on your legs - how has your recovery been concerning both your arms and legs? Is there much pain or weakness and do you notice improvement from week to week? Thank you for this informative diary.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: CaptainAmerica on February 10, 2017, 10:52:31 PM
^ Also, when you get around to answering that, did you do internal or external tibias? I've read this thread a few times and never found an answer
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: 682 on February 10, 2017, 11:01:31 PM
^ Also, when you get around to answering that, did you do internal or external tibias? I've read this thread a few times and never found an answer

If I had to guess, I would assume he went with internal tibial lengthening for three reasons.

Firstly, if I remember correctly, he posted pictures and videos of his movement and proportions which he has since deleted. I don't remember there being any external apparatus.

Secondly, most diaries concerning external lengthening of the tibia actively mention the method used, including the issues and scarring whereas IAmReady hasn't leading me to believe he has had internal rods.

Thirdly, I believe Paley prefers (only?) uses internal methods for lengthening as seen in IAmReady's femoral and humeral lengthening.

Of course, IAmReady will answer this question and I could be completely wrong, but in the meantime I would lean towards internal tibial lengthening.

Regards.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: CaptainAmerica on February 10, 2017, 11:04:13 PM
If I had to guess, I would assume he went with internal tibial lengthening for three reasons.

Firstly, if I remember correctly, he posted pictures and videos of his movement and proportions which he has since deleted. I don't remember there being any external apparatus.

Secondly, most diaries concerning external lengthening of the tibia actively mention the method used, including the issues and scarring whereas IAmReady hasn't leading me to believe he has had internal rods.

Thirdly, I believe Paley prefers (only?) uses internal methods for lengthening as seen in IAmReady's femoral and humeral lengthening.

Of course, IAmReady will answer this question and I could be completely wrong, but in the meantime I would lean towards internal tibial lengthening.

Regards.

Wow, nice deduction Mr. Holmes work, yeah now that you say that I 100% believe he did internal tibias. Lucky that he didn't end up with any knee pain.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: 682 on February 10, 2017, 11:10:41 PM
Wow, nice deduction Mr. Holmes work, yeah now that you say that I 100% believe he did internal tibias. Lucky that he didn't end up with any knee pain.

Thank you sir. After some re-reading, I also found these excerpts within the diary by IAmReady which confirms that he internally lengthened his tibia.

On page 6, post #170 where he commented 'I was basically saying that people are apprehensive about getting their tibia lengthened internally because of some rumors of knee pains or complications and that the Paley Institute can really become the go to place for internal tibia if they make some key changes'

And on page 8, post #228 asked 'If you are doing tibia internals, arent you afraid of permanent knee pain?' to which he replied in post #229 with 'I lenghten .50mm a day.  As far as knee pain, I think that once the rods are out I can't imagine a scenario or a reason why my knees would hurt.'

I hope this has answered your question adequately.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: onemorefoot on February 20, 2017, 03:52:15 AM
Its obvious that he had internal lengthening, because Paley doesnt use external fixators for cosmetic procedures anymore( which you didnt know), but good guess.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Iamready on February 26, 2017, 12:11:36 AM
Hey here is a quick update and my thoughts on the discussion Bodybuilder was having regarding his height and women.  The audio quality is poor, please use headphones.
https://youtu.be/BwMVaoQ3nnc
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: TIBIKE200 on February 26, 2017, 02:13:06 AM
thx for the update Iamready.

 Happy to hear that you don't have any more complexes and are happy with the way you are :) That's the best result this surgery can have
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Whereintheworld? on February 26, 2017, 09:33:07 AM
@Iamready

Fantastic post. It really touched on some issues I've been reflecting on lately, but I won't clog up your thread.
Glad to hear things are going well.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: Stature on March 05, 2017, 11:25:04 PM
First of all...thanks for sharing your detailed experience and thoughts! Much appreciated!

Question for all the LL veterans and Dr. Paley: what are your thoughts on taking collagen supplements before and after the surgery? Do you think that collagen can help with flexibility and distraction of soft tissue, especially for the older patients?

Note: I have already sent an email to Dr. Parihar, however I don't have Dr. Paley's email address, so I haven't asked him yet.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: 682 on March 05, 2017, 11:47:19 PM
Hello Stature,

Collagen supplementation is something that has interested me and I put a question to Dr Birkholtz on this forum about why people with achodroplasia are able to lengthen to amounts far beyond what would be considered extreme, his reply -

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Achondroplasia is an interesting one. It is a condition that has its origins in abnormal collagen. You will recall that collagen also makes up most of the muscle and tendon structures. Because of this, these patients have much more supple soft tissues that allow tremendous amounts of lengthening quite safely.

In my opinion, at worst collagen supplementation will do nothing, at best, it may be beneficial.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: 682 on March 16, 2017, 01:26:45 PM
Hey IAmReady - Any update on how your recovery is going? If you could spare the time, it would be great to see how you are getting on. Take care, man.
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: willsa on April 01, 2017, 08:50:12 PM
Hey man, how's it going? It's been about like a year and a half right?

Do you think you could've been happy with just doing femurs instead of femurs/tibias?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: ShortArm on August 23, 2017, 05:29:52 PM
Hi Iamready. Hope you are recovering well from everything.

I wanna know about your humerus lenghtening. How mutch it has affected in your ability to do the same stuff as before?

You are one tough guy to go trough this all!
Title: Tibia screws
Post by: OverrideYourGenetics on June 03, 2018, 12:29:52 AM
I met with Dr. Paley today and there is good news for people interested in tibia lengthening.  It seems that now when they lengthen the tibia they insert an additional rod?/nail in the fibula and fixate it better to the tibia.  I don't have the exact details so forgive me if I didn't phrase it correctly but they have improved their process to prevent any complications- which is always a good thing.

Replying to this 2016-Nov post: I had the tibias surgery in March 2018 and didn't have any additional rods (the fibula is much too thin for any PRECICE nail to fit). My tibia x-rays show two screws securing the fibula to the tibia. One fellow Paley patient had the lower screw come out. Paley fixed this complication at no charge.
Title: Re: Tibia screws
Post by: Purushrottam on June 03, 2018, 04:46:07 AM
Replying to this 2016-Nov post: I had the tibias surgery in March 2018 and didn't have any additional rods (the fibula is much too thin for any PRECICE nail to fit). My tibia x-rays show two screws securing the fibula to the tibia. One fellow Paley patient had the lower screw come out. Paley fixed this complication at no charge.

Wow thats still scary. Another reason why we should be grateful if our LL process went without a hitch. Even with state of the art equipment and surgeons, things can still go wrong. 

Hope you are doing well, OYG.
Title: Re: Tibia screws
Post by: chibi on June 11, 2018, 06:54:05 AM
Replying to this 2016-Nov post: I had the tibias surgery in March 2018 and didn't have any additional rods (the fibula is much too thin for any PRECICE nail to fit). My tibia x-rays show two screws securing the fibula to the tibia. One fellow Paley patient had the lower screw come out. Paley fixed this complication at no charge.
what I understood was that  they didn't put any screws to fibulas in the initial operation and the protocol had been so at that time, so the two screws you had are the extra screws they talked about after the new protocol.
did I understand wrong?
Title: Re: Quadrilateral Lengthening with Dr. Paley
Post by: goodlucktomylegs on June 13, 2018, 04:33:39 PM
any updates? Are u still alive?