Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: yagen on November 23, 2015, 04:18:57 PM
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Greetings,
I live about 700 km from Barcelonalona. I am going to do the lengthening the second week of 16th January.
I have been following the forum and I think it is the moment to clim my everest. I have been trainning for lengthening one month now, and spend time just for myself is incredible, I have a goal, and I am going to reach with the help of Dr. Monegal.
I am going to do the surgery in two stage, first in January, second in April. Thank you so much to Glenn, Bohemia, musicmaker, They tryed to give all the pros and contra of the surgery in one stage or in two.
I had a meeting with Dr. Monegal 9-nov, and he showed me a video of people walking just finished the distration stage of one leg without crutches and for me was awesome.
The planning is following, just one week on the hospital and after I can come back to my home, It is a simple plan. Let see.
I am between 35-40 years old and my height is 1,70 cm and my goal is between 6,5 and 8 cm more.
I dont have any problems with girls, dates or similar. Just want to reach my personal goal.
I think the ratio risk/profit is low, for me is not different that if you have a ski or motorcicly accident.
I attached a picture of my femurs.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/1zwknwg.jpg)
Alea iacta est
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You have a great starting height wish u the best on your journey to greatness
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Congrats! Looking forward to reading your diary....... all the best.
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Hey Yagen, I have 6 cm Femur discrepency from op with Dr Monegal in March this year.
I am walking without crutches since July, but walking is a bit slow (no running at all), stairs are slower, and still now my leg is a bit sore and stiff.
I cant fully flex knee (but now pretty close to full flexion - plenty enough to walk without too much limp).
LL is different to simple broken bones in an accident. I have broke my tib before in motorbike accident 10 years ago - I was walking fine in 2 months. LL is much tougher because of soft tissue stretching, and associated long recovery and pain (I doubt I will ever achieve my old reaching flexibilty of 15- 20 below toes - lucky to reach toes with tip of fingers now).
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Hey Yagen, I have 6 cm Femur discrepency from op with Dr Monegal in March this year.
I am walking without crutches since July, but walking is a bit slow (no running at all), stairs are slower, and still now my leg is a bit sore and stiff.
I cant fully flex knee (but now pretty close to full flexion - plenty enough to walk without too much limp).
LL is different to simple broken bones in an accident. I have broke my tib before in motorbike accident 10 years ago - I was walking fine in 2 months. LL is much tougher because of soft tissue stretching, and associated long recovery and pain (I doubt I will ever achieve my old reaching flexibilty of 15- 20 below toes - lucky to reach toes with tip of fingers now).
Did you have a discrepancy or do you have one now? That sounds like a very long recovery man! What's the issue? Slow consolidation?
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Thank you so much Devildog 0331 and ouroboros for your wishes :)
AimHigh
From march to november is about 8 month, is a long time for bone consolidation. you need about 200 days for full consolidation, you need to improve your I have the same question than SAD.
¿did you do one leg or two? ¿had you any problem with consolidation? If you started to walk unaid in July, 3 month post surgery, do you thing that your leg have improved well?
I know that LL is different than an accident, but you have to spend a lot of time in recovery. There are a lot of videos of Sweeden 9 mothns after surgery, I know that every person is different.
Some more questions, how was the pain? when do you think that you could drive your own car?
there are other patient like Bohemia or Glenn that they have just finished the distration phase, you can talk with them in order to check your recovery.
I would like to know how is your recovery, please try to write a few words more.
Cheers AimHigh
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Hi Guys,
Op RLeg mid march, walking without crutches (slowly) by mid july - 4 months, not too bad for a guy close to 50 !.
Knee flexion now at around 135 degrees, again not too bad, hope for full flexion over next few months.
Did not do left leg yet due to personal reasons, have been back at work since start September.
have taken no (nothing) pain killers since end of lengthening, but last 2 cm was tough, max .8mm day, but often less.
Nerve pain (both in Femur, and tib !)was quite annoying, but now pretty minimal.
This is no walk in park ! - btw 176.5 cm evening height now.
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Hi Yagen!
Just wanted to wish you good luck on your op, so happy for you! Keep us posted on how it goes.
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Thank you Glenn :)
How do you feel your body now that you have finished the lengtening?? can you sleep better?
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Thank you Glenn :)
How do you feel your body now that you have finished the lengtening?? can you sleep better?
Sleep is great! Eight hours a day now. Leg muscles are still sore, but getting better every day.
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Sleep is great! Eight hours a day now. Leg muscles are still sore, but getting better every day.
I am very glad for you :)
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Just 2 weeks for my surgery!!!!
My PT has recomended me this device in order to reduce the pain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M71OlUtH0dw
Has anybody tried this kind of device?
Has any problem with Fitbone?
Many thanks
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Hi yagen, good luck with your surgery!...Monegal is a great choice.....Correct me if im wrong, I believe Guichet and Betz lets their patient use those things after surgery.....Saw one of those on Guichets website a while ago, and i think andrewszizzles had a picture of one of those thinks in his diary.
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Ok, I will have one week to talk with Dr Monegal at hospital.
Musicmaker, what kind of things did you carry to the hospital? Sport clothes? Crutches? ....
Cual es el kit básico?
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D-5.
This next weekend I will do the surgery. Now I am focus on streching!!! I have a lot of doubts about pain, how I will be able to walk with crutches......
Besides I have learnt that my main goal of 7-8 cm have changed, there is not a goal of time or cm, just a deal with my body. I want to listen my body.
This is my original flexibility, two months ago I could not reach the toes.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2du9ws8.jpg)
Alea iacta est
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I can assure you, with two stages, your pain will be minimized. Dr Monegal is a very good surgeon, so you shouldn't worry about pain. Instead, you should focus on being positive all the times. Best of luck ;)
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Hey Yagen, good luck! :)
I am looking forward to read about your experience, since I am also a potential LL user with Monegal (I also had a consultation with him in November)
Just 2 quick questions: are you planning to work during lengthening/consolidation? are you planning to try some weight-bearing on the operated limb (I mean taking some unaided steps at home/gym, etc)
Again, best of wishes!
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@aboali1022
Thank you buddy, this is a mental game, I always think in Apotheosis and the quote of Gleen "pain will go away and height stay with you"
@Ozymandias
I will be one week at hostpita, one week at home, and 16 days after surgery I will try to go to the office, my job is seated and I dont have to move, I dont need to go away from my office. I asked to other patients and he told me, the first two weeks are the worst.
No, I am not planing to try some weight-bearing on the operated limb, but I will follow the suggestion of the doctor. I think you have to be very carefully because the most important problem is when you broke the nail if you fall down.
Keep on streching!!!
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@aboali1022
Thank you buddy, this is a mental game, I always think in Apotheosis and the quote of Gleen "pain will go away and height stay with you"
@Ozymandias
I will be one week at hostpita, one week at home, and 16 days after surgery I will try to go to the office, my job is seated and I dont have to move, I dont need to go away from my office. I asked to other patients and he told me, the first two weeks are the worst.
No, I am not planing to try some weight-bearing on the operated limb, but I will follow the suggestion of the doctor. I think you have to be very carefully because the most important problem is when you broke the nail if you fall down.
Keep on streching!!!
good luck
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Hey Yagen,
How was your big day? I hope everything is going well!
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D0
The surgery was excellent. I cant remenber anything Doctor Monegal showed me pictures of the broken leg, and when I woke up I thougnt that it was a dream.
I met wit two patients that they had to erase the nails or similiar,
Level of pain 1/10, I can move my toes.
I ate at nigh a omelet and a soup, after I felt a little dizzybut in 10 minutes I felt ok again.
I slept well but I had no sleep but I slept 5 hours, I have no any pain.
D+1 Dr Monegal are going to visit me but he has been connected to whatapp asking me about me feelings.
The hospital is wonderfull, nurses, all of 10. If we stay here bring a multi socket for plug all your devices next to you.
I think that today I will start with my exercises, let´s see.
@Christopherbulder @Ozymandias @musicmaker thank you so much for the support
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Awesome stuff yagen! We are rooting for ya!
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Hey yagen. Good luck in your journey!
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Glad to read you are doing well :)
Keep us informed!
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Great news Yagen, keep it up!
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God luck
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@Revenge @ouroboros @Ozymandias @KrP1 @chsn Thank you for your encouragement
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The level of pain all the day was 0/10
I had my first PT sesion with a CPM machine, The devices bend my knee to 94º about 40 minutes.
Tomorrow Doctor Monegal will quit my catheter with epidural anesthesia, I will be able to feel better the leg and the pain will increase, but let see tomorrow.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/281txj9.jpg)
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Alea iacta est
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Good luck yagen!! :)
How are you today?
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D+2 pain 0/10
This morning I had the secod PT sesion for 40 min, I can move better mi foot.
I think that my pain will increase when my catheter will go out.
Now I am working, sending email, I am speending my time how to built a CPM machine :D
I think that it is very easy to built in order to improve my therapy at home.
@Peaceout thank you
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Building? What do you mean lol :D
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Building? What do you mean lol :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLvJwe5GAfg
Justin Bieber machine :P :P
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Last night was awful, a continuous pain 4/10 I could not sleep, just micro naps.
Yesterday they quit me the cathether and I could feel the pain, the PT "carlos" a really good boy has told met this morning that the nerves start to feel again the pain and the have to adjust the level of pain. He has reseaching about the pain and is focus in this.
This morning I had the PT sesion and after they changed me the bandaje, the pain was decreasing, and Carlos told me to take a walk with crutches but I was frigthened because I did not I could be able to get it.
level of pain 1/10 now
This is fu**ing awesome
View My Video (http://es.tinypic.com/r/2e4dbpw/9)
thank you so much to glenn, bohemia............. when last night I could not sleep, and i felt the pain, I tried to read your post in order to focus my brain in other things. great jobs sharing your personal experience.
I hope that my personal experience help to the newbies
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Great video yagen! Looking solid :)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLvJwe5GAfg
Justin Bieber machine :P :P
You built that??!
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Pain 0/10
this morning I got bend my knee to 100-110º with the machine.
@Deads I am going to build the next Monday a similar machine with a door engine thus You can strech without a PT and it is easy because you focus your mind in TV or music.
I am improving the way that I walk with the PT, I am faster than yesterday and I can bearing more weight.
View My Video (http://es.tinypic.com/r/2dvpgfn/9)
I will come back at my home the next saturday, and I think that I can be able to do a normal life.
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When will you start lengthening ?
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D+4
Pain 0/10
this morning I got bend my knee to 100-110º with the machine.
@Deads I am going to build the next Monday a similar machine with a door engine thus You can strech without a PT and it is easy because you focus your mind in TV or music.
I am improving the way that I walk with the PT, I am faster than yesterday and I can bearing more weight.
View My Video (http://es.tinypic.com/r/2dvpgfn/9)
I will come back at my home the next saturday, and I think that I can be able to do a normal life.
Very cool.. Would be great if you showed how you make it/where to buy one.
Having ear phones in you can go to your own place and stretch for several hours a day.
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@aspirant185
I will start lengthening on friday
@Deads
I will create a "Do it yourself" the cost will be about 200 Euros. Hire a CPM machines is about 300 eurs/2weeks
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I liked that machine.Good luck :)
Dont you worry about staying away from doctor?
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:) nice
1 leg -50% of pain
I recall me with the most painful nails albizzia is twisting his leg for clik cause pain with fitbone I think more easy
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Hey Yagen,
Nice to see you are doing well. The improvement in your walking from the first video to the second is notable.
Are you taking painkillers?
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:) nice
1 leg -50% of pain
I recall me with the most painful nails albizzia is twisting his leg for clik cause pain with fitbone I think more easy
Albizzia is more painful due to clicking, perhaps, but all methods cause pain.
I wouldn't change Albizzia for Fitbone. Fitbone is unreliable. It fails a lot and results are inaccurate. Look at Krp1s diary and the thread Question for fitbone users.
Albizzia is the best option if you prefer weightbearing mechanisms. IF not, you have Precice... Precice isn't perfect, but better than Fitbone, IMO.
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yes albizzia is a great value , however, I saw mechanics sometimes nails down albizzia
conserne for this walking it is impossible to walk for eight weeks with albizzia
yes after the inaccurate data is a problem
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@Peaceout
I am not worry about to stay away from doctor Monegal, he seems my father, any question he is avalaible in whatsapp and every day came to the hospital to see me, every moning and every night I have whatsapp from him.
For me this is the most important thing if you have a good doctor next to you, when I asked to other Doctor like Paley he is not closer to the patients. In this kind of surgery you must trust in your doctor. I remember the firts appoinment with Monegal, I wanted to do both leg at the same time, but I think you have to listen all the doctors and after take your decission.
With just a leg you can do a normal life, this morning I started to up and down stairs. Awesome.
@Ozymandias
Level of pain 0/10, with PT 2/10
Last night I didnt take any painkiller and I sleep well, and now I have reduce to 50% the painkillers.
My leg swelling is very good.
@Christopherbulder @LLuser1
I think precise, fitbone, betz, guichet nail......... are all bad devices, because we are in the first stages of LL, now we wear a MS-Dos system in our legs.
In this surgery can fail a lot of things, rod, nails, infections........ But you have to be near a good doctor that can solve the problems, and for me Monegal is one of the best.
He told me that he can get fitbone or precise, he told me the pros and cons of both. He was very clear about that.
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2cegta1.jpg)
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I visit the doctor I find very monegal has the listening and if I do I do with my tibia dr monegal one leg after the other because now you do after 7 cm femur (albizzia)on the tibia is a bit short
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D+6
last night I started the lenthening with fitbone. Dr Monegal came to he hospital and he spent 1 hour with me explained how the device works. I was frightened if the device didn´t run well, but he told me that He tested the day of the surgery, with precise you can not test in the surgery. The pain when I did the click was 0/10
He was with me till 22:00 and his wife phoned him. I am very happy to chose a Doctor that he was looking out for me.
He gave a me a stethoscope to listen how the engine turn arround, he did 2 clicks 0,54mm, and this morning I did another one by myself 0,27mm
He told me that I have to do 3 click per day in this stage.
D+7
I am going to the airport to come back at my home. This week has been amazing. I am very happy with Dr, PT, nurses, hospital..
Now start a new stage, with more streaching!!! general pain 0/10.
I can not put on my socks by myself..... :-[
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well done, yagen and congrats for your choice.
Hope pain will stay at a low level.
keep in touch
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D+6
last night I started the lenthening with fitbone. Dr Monegal came to he hospital and he spent 1 hour with me explained how the device works. I was frightened if the device didn´t run well, but he told me that He tested the day of the surgery, with precise you can not test in the surgery. The pain when I did the click was 0/10
He was with me till 22:00 and his wife phoned him. I am very happy to chose a Doctor that he was looking out for me.
He gave a me a stethoscope to listen how the engine turn arround, he did 2 clicks 0,54mm, and this morning I did another one by myself 0,27mm
He told me that I have to do 3 click per day in this stage.
D+7
I am going to the airport to come back at my home. This week has been amazing. I am very happy with Dr, PT, nurses, hospital..
Now start a new stage, with more streaching!!! general pain 0/10.
I can not put on my socks by myself..... :-[
very nice good luk
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D+10
Come back to the routine. Now I am doing a normal life, I can walk better everyday, the range os movement of my knee is improving .
I am lengthening 0,82 mm per day without any pain. I walk with chutches , and I just take painkillers at night. I can sleep well but I try dont fall asleep during the day, if you are tired at night you sleep better.
I think the best decision of my life was not to do both legs at the same time, thank you to Dr, Monegal for the suggestion.
Now you can see why.......... Its fuc**ing awesome.
View My Video (http://es.tinypic.com/r/2eykvpy/9)
I drive a manual car, I can drive perfectly and I improve the knee angle at the same time!!!
I prefer wear I Insole that stay 4 four months in a wheelchair, the PT has told me that if you move walking the legs dont lost muscle and the consolidation its better.
I think a picture or video tell mora than 1k words
Alea iacta est
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better quality
https://vimeo.com/153099501
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it s f*cking unbelivable I m happy for you :)
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better quality
https://vimeo.com/153099501
for two femurs do not have time to drive for 5 months
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My first knee bender, this is the versión 1.0 I am working in a better design.
https://vimeo.com/153328529 (https://vimeo.com/153328529)
we dont need to argue with nonsenses, the forum is to solve doubts and try to take the better decision in order to reach your goal.
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That is just genius! Thanks for sharing the video.
Have a great recovery!
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Yagen, I'm extremely impressed my man. Are you an Engineer by any chance?
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Thank you for the best wishes!!
I had my surgery two weeks ago, Time is passing too fast and just remenber one night with a bit hard.
I can do a normal life, On monday I wil come back at my job,
My level of pain in this stage of lengthening is 0/10. Now I can touch my toes again but I need to improve my streching.
My knee angle is about 90º but with some pain.
I sleep in two times first 4-5 hours and I wake up with some pain thus I try to do exescises for 30 minutes and my leg come back to normal zero pain,
I walk a lot trying to force my knee, When I drive actuating the clutch pedal is one of the best execises.
I just take heparine at night.
I go on lengthening to 0,81 mm without pain, I prefer not to reach the limits of my body, with this rate I am very confortable and without pain and doing a normal life, for me is not importat to be one month more with crutches without pain, but let´s see how my body reject the lengthening, Today I will reach my first cm, 0,4mm in surgery and 0,6 mm with fitbone.
@Alu @ouroboros
I am engineer but I work in financial markets. I work as SP500 future trader.
This is my new version of the CPM machine. Its better because you can get the leg straight and the axis better in hip.
You only need a engine, a cutter tiles and pvc tube and a relay to control the system.
https://vimeo.com/153592155 (https://vimeo.com/153592155)
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D+16
First day at office. I try to walk and do streaching while I am at office. I have a beach ball under my desk to move the leg. :D
It´s awesome how I can do a normal life just 2 weeks after surgery.
Level of pain 0/10, 2/10 at night.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2w385jr.jpg)
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yagen, this looks and sounds very impressive! congrats! honestly, I have no clue at all how you are doing this.
I had my second surgery on Wednesday, starting lengthening today, also fitbone.
so now:
I can´t bend my leg at all, maybe 5°. It is so swollen I can't even put trousers on
I can hardly walk on crutches, its ok from bed to bathroom but thats it. and afterwards I already get a temperature because its so exhausting and takes me ten minutes...
I can´t work for the next 3-4 weeks I guess, don't even imagine how
I have constant pain around 7 without medication and 3-4 with...
So even if I reduce my pain level etc. by 95% I still couldn't do 5% of what you are already doing....its really unbelievable. something must be wrong with me or its a miracle;) Glad for you of course!
all the best!
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Aturro keep on pushing!!!
I remenber the first 3 days at hospital. My leg looks like a wood trunk, My mind tried to raise the leg but It was impossible.
On the third day when the PT told me "lets go to take a walk", and I saw him thinking "are you kidding me??" But it was a walk of 5 minutes, and every day I am improving.
The best thing for me is with Fitbone the clicks are painless.
Try to hire a kinetec machine in order to improve the bend knee, The first day I was 1 hour with the machine and after my leg feel very good.
Now the main dificulty is bend my knee, I have tried to do stationary bike but I dont get to do a complete revolution.
I can bend my knee to 45º without any pain, but 90º just get it with the CPM machine and with a little pain, but it is a PT session that you have to touch your edge
Try to be positive mindset and every new thing that you get is a new goal hit.
Cheers Aturro!!!!
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thanks Yagen! I know the days will get easier soon so motivation level is ok...
I am still so impressed, I read your diary 5 times and watched the videos. Can´t believe the difference to my status quo. You built a machine!! I am happy if I manage to take a shower;)
But I think there is also some difference in the whole process and attitude between Monegal and Baumgart.
I saw your knee was already bent after surgery, right? I was told to keep it always straight when I am in bed because full extension is so important...bending not so much...
I must not put more weight than 20 kilos on my leg. I guess you are full weight bearing from the start or now?
Its a bit strange, as we are using the same nail. Anyway, will try to get me such a bending machine....
still wondering...;)
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Aturro the motivation level is the best, every new thing that you do is a victory. Try to enjoy with the goals.
I took my first shower alon the fourth day, I spent 15 minutes in take a shower, I had to use the crutches to drag the towells and other things, It was hard but it was a goal.
The day afeter the surgery the PT brought the CPM machine to help me to bend my knee, Doctor and PT told me that if you move your leg the recovery will be faster because more blood is working in your leg, thus you reduce the swelling and more growth factors try to repair your damage zone.
I try to walk a lot because is a normal way to srtech your body and to move the blood by your legs.
The CPM machine bend your knee and do the full extension. At my desk I try to do the full extension of my leg lean on above a ball.
If you dont try to bend your knee you are losing mobility and your recovery will be worst. The firts week I could not put my sock but now I can do it bending my knee.
I am no putting more than 20 kilos on my leg. I am not doing full weight bearing I always need 2 crutches, and I wear a insole with 1 cm more than my LL leg in order not to put a lot of kg.
I attach you the timing that other patient "PATIENT XXX" versus my LL timing. He told me that he had more swelling.
I am going to send you my whatsapp in a private post, if you need anything.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/5fg5qf.png)
I can feel how my leg is improving day by day
The worst part of lengthening is the night!!!!
Keep on pushing Aturro!!! and try to enjoy this journey........you are climbing your own everest!!!
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good my freind
price for surgey in barcelona
thanks
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How you doing, Yagen? Any update?
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D+21
On Saturday was 3 weeks from surgery, time runs so fast.
The first week working was funny because your time goes fast, but you have less time when you arrive at home. The pain is 1/10 during day and 2/3 at night, the main problem is: I do not sleep well and I need to have a few naps by the day.
I was doing three clicks till Saturday and the routine was, I did 1 click (0,27 every 8 hours)
6:30 get out the bed
7:00 1st click
8:00 Work
12:00 eat something
13:00 2nd click ( I have discover that I can do the clicks through thin pants, thus I can do the clicks anywhere)
14:00 to 15:00 nap
15:00 eat something
18:00 come back home, another nap
21:00 3th click
23:00 I am destroyed!!! take a pain killer
02:00 I am awake
02:00 -6:30 turning in bed.
On Saturday I have started to do 4 clicks (1,08), two click at dawn, and the last two clicks in the afternoon, trying not to do click at night in order to improve my nights. Thus my nights are a quite better but not enough.
I was wondering when I could have sex.........the question was answered on Satuday..... :) there is not video jajajaja
I do a normal life, on friday I went at theathe, Saturday a birthdays party......The main problem is at night I am tired.
The best streching for me is walk, and the second is walk again!! I think there is a huge diferent between 1 stage and two stages surgery, I dont need to strech a lot of, because I am moving my leg a lot in my "normal life", Maybe I will be wrong when I will reach more cms, but now when I feel a pain in my tibiae, I start to walk and the knot disappears. Other diferent pain is the constant tension on my knee but I am improving my bend angle
I must be now about 2 cms higher, next Thursday I wil get my first bone scan!!
I will try to post the evolution of the scars.
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I attached you a video, how I use fitbone through my pants when I am at office or other public site.
Fitbone do a induction field of high frequency outside your leg and the antenna inside your leg drive the power to the engine of fitbone.
If there is no any noise, you can listen the engine turn in, but to check it that it runs well Dr Monegal gave me a stethoscope, thus you can verify that you have been doing the clicks correctly.
https://vimeo.com/154566569
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I show you the evolution of my scars.
For me its more important is the internal surgery, but I am very glad with my scars, and Doctor did a very good job internal and external.
Picture D+17 with stitching
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Scars on my knee
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D+18 My stitching were removed, pictures 1 hour after.
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Scars D+22 (las saturday after a shower)
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Following your diary with attention. Lots of pictures, very detailed… please continue with the informative treatment.
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Post deleted: The Tinyurl picture links created some confusion with google reverse-image search.
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well... this does look quite bad
but maybe the poster did this of his own accord... without Monegal telling him to
maybe this one image is fake, but the others are real? Hopefully, the poster replies
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The other images do not come up on a Google search. I'm pretty confident they come from the same person as the scars match, it's quite clear in the copied image that it's a different leg (or it's pen running down his leg, not a scar, and I'm a dope for confusing the two :-X) when examining closely.
But yes, this doesn't look great :-\ Hope to hear an explanation as I'm wanting to follow this diary closely.
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doesn't make sense though that this photo is on a used car site???
if the image can't be found on a google reverse image search, there might be some trickery going on
the image if it dates to 2011 should be able to be found by us doing a reverse image search... not just from the poster's links
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doesn't make sense though that this photo is on a used car site???
if the image can't be found on a google reverse image search, there might be some trickery going on
the image if it dates to 2011 should be able to be found by us doing a reverse image search... not just from the poster's links
It doesn't make sense that the photo is on a used car site ha, and that's the only link found, but it can be found via a reverse image search which was the first thing I did. Same links as he has.
However looking through the videos the shoes in the pictures posted and the video posted match, plus the picture of his work computer can not be found else where and I'd have thought that would be the easiest thing to grab off the internet. This leads me to think he is legitimate and he's taken the image from 2011 for whatever reason and used it in this diary, although it is obviously a red flag. I would bet there is probably a legitimate explanation.
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Hello appleandoranges
I decided not to post here anymore. But i cannot accept You saying This Is a fake picture And This Is a fraudulent patient.
I drew myself those lines in top Of The limb during surgery. This Is Clinica Diagonal which Did not exist in 2011. I informed My patient about his pictures appearing in a webpage without his authorization...a used car webpage!
You want to investigate? Do it...But as I explained to The moderators here If I ever find a fake diary here about one Of My patients I Will report It myself.
This guy posted pictures, vídeos And all sort Of materials to help 'The community'.
That s How It goes here. Toxic. That s The only word to define It.
I Was informed about This post by Other users That personally know Yagen.
This Is Just unbelievable. Bravo!
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My sources mentioned Glenn, Musicmaker, Cooper, Krp1 and other people as patients of Monegal, but they never mentioned this person. If it's a fake it doesn't surprise me.
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The lines down the leg would make sense, I was viewing them as scars. If this as Dr Monegal and Musicmaker suggest is the case as I believe it to be, then this suggests that there is quite a meticulous, nasty and vindictive campaign around the Dr. Pictures from limb lengthening surgery don't randomly end up on an Italian used car forum from a post in 2011. (Edit - yes they do you melodramatic fool!)
If true I can appreciate why Dr Monegal would not want to post on these forums, and this is to the massive detriment of anyone looking into having this surgery and I would ask the Dr if he is reading this to reconsider his stance. If this is an elaborate ploy to slander Dr Monegal, then quite frankly I want to investigate more than I did and whoever is responsible (like that could ever be proved beyond that said person is probably Italian) should be banned for life from this forum.
Can this lot also be moved out of this journal to the other Dr Monegal thread as it's not fair on Yagen.
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Guys I edited my post. It might just be a technical mix-up. I hope we can get some sort of explanation if it's possible from yagen. Also, I am not on a campaign against anybody. I reverse-image search a lot of pictures I see on the internet to see if it's legitimate.
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musicmaker told me privately that yagen is real
she's a bit whacky, but she hasn't lied to me yet, so I tend to believe her
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Well done LLuser.
Like a shark smelling blood.
You forgot Other 30 patients.
Don t want to mess with any Of You But This Is a real patient And I beg You to show some respect to a legit diary.
As I said. If i ever find a fake diary I Will report It myself.
Goodbye. This Is My Last post ever
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Well done LLuser.
Like a shark smelling blood.
You forgot Other 30 patients.
Don t want to mess with any Of You But This Is a real patient And I beg You to show some respect to a legit diary.
As I said. If i ever find a fake diary I Will report It myself.
Goodbye. This Is My Last post ever
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Ok I see Your Point, And I thank You for showing respect.
I Will personally Take a picture Of The Room at Clinica Diagonal without any leg And post It here.
I Hope That s enougth To clarify.
It Is funny That That picture appears in an Italian used-car webpage. But It Is concerning.
Does not make sense To me. As It does not make sense to use It either To attack me Or Yagen.
I repeat And I Will say It 1000 times.
If i ever find a fake picture, post Or diary Of any Of My patients I Will report It.
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Ok I see Your Point, And I thank You for showing respect.
I Will personally Take a picture Of The Room at Clinica Diagonal without any leg And post It here.
I Hope That s enougth To clarify.
It Is funny That That picture appears in an Italian used-car webpage. But It Is concerning.
Does not make sense To me. As It does not make sense to use It either To attack me Or Yagen.
I repeat And I Will say It 1000 times.
If i ever find a fake picture, post Or diary Of any Of My patients I Will report It.
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I've found the answer.
It's uploaded to TinyPic. If the image is not viewed within 90 days there is a chance the image will be taken down and links can be recycled and used again. I think what's happened here is that the original TinyPic link was made dead and then when Yagen uploaded his picture to TinyPic it used the same link that had previously contained a picture of an Opel Astra.
Nothing fishy, nothing sinister after all, just a coincidence.
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I've found the answer.
It's uploaded to TinyPic. If the image is not viewed within 90 days there is a chance the image will be taken down and links can be recycled and used again. I think what's happened here is that the original TinyPic link was made dead and then when Yagen uploaded his picture to TinyPic it used the same link that had previously contained a picture of an Opel Astra.
Nothing fishy, nothing sinister after all, just a coincidence.
Thanks Nightwish. That's probably what happened. apologies to Dr. Monegal and yagen
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D+31 My first Month
It is so funny, You can get a italian used car and a leg legnthening by the same price!!! cheaper than in India jajajaj ;D ;D ;D ;D
I was trying to fall sleep again, it the worst thing por me about LL, I had a look in the forum, I saw all the post!!! wow.....
The picture was taken on 21/01/2016 but how I am a bad pothographer I did more, and when I thougt that I was taking a picture a took a video......
on the left side you can see my blue shoe
(http://i67.tinypic.com/30j39dj.jpg)
applesandoranges dont worry I undestand you, Its the main problem of the forum there a lot of interest about LL but you can split the real patient and the peoplo who tried to sell anything. And the bad cases of LL usually go on in the forum, I think if all hapens well, I will forget this forum in a year. I always speak with a another monegal patient that he never posted anything, he is very happy with his lengthening and without anyproblem. If you are going to do LL, try to contact with a person who did LL in the real life.
I am telling my story, Other user has showed me a lot of info with their personal experience, Sweeden, Glenn or Iamready are people who try to help with their advice.
This is the video
https://vimeo.com/155492384
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My sources mentioned Glenn, Musicmaker, Cooper, Krp1 and other people as patients of Monegal, but they never mentioned this person. If it's a fake it doesn't surprise me.
I have nothing against you, but you always think wrong about me. Dont worry, I am going to tell my diary till the end, I am not goint to waste my time, other users see the same thing about you, I show you my evidences.
Penguinn Said "I'm neutral and want the truth but without any fluff. Is there anything serious Dr. Monegal has done? Your reply to that is "patients are still under him and can't speak up". Looks like we'll have to wait until their LL is done to see if they speak up. Until then this whole thing is running around in circles and just spreading negativity.
Seems fair to everyone? We'll wait a couple months and see if the patients speak up after their LL is done. Everyone can chill and not get their jimmies rustled by baseless things until then."
Please show us your evidences thus all we can improve the forum.
I give you a present for your sources.....
(http://i66.tinypic.com/v7d30h.jpg)
my scars are tiny.
Your problem is that I had not problems with LL
(http://i67.tinypic.com/29zsolx.jpg)
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D+35
One week ago I had my first bone scan, I went to barcelona to take in the hospital, I wanted to see to Dr Monegal. I took the bone scan with another bilateral patient, a guy very funny, after we visited other patient that he has just got the surgery. He remember me one month ago.
Dr Monegal told me that I have to put my leg straigh, because I didn´t get it. One of the most important thing of Dr Monegal is the take care with thier patients. He is very close to you.
After the lunch I visited other patients (like Musicmaker and Glenn) I am very glad to meet Glenn for me is a "guru" and a pionner, his diary helps me a lot of time and I have readen several times. It is a good thing when you can speak with other patients about de LL, fears, expectations, pain. After of that we went outside to take a coffee.
When I came back at home I started to focus in straight my leg, because I need the legs fully straight when I will finish the lenghtening in order to start to walk wiht my left leg. now just one week after the Monegal advice, my legs in fully straight again.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/4u9jlx.jpg)
I am lengthening to 0,81 a few days I tried to reach 1,08 but It was very hard at night and my body reject the tension.
Just hit 2,8 cm today, so now i have about 4 weeks left of lengthening. My goal is 5 cm, I wil follow the advise of sweeden, crimsontide, I prefer a fast and total recovery. At the begininng I thought that the most import stage was lengthening, but This is a complex surgery and the bone consolidation is very important.
I must admit that this journey has been easier than expected in terms of the physical aspect, but the mental aspect is hard, mainly at night, I have been unable to get a good nights sleep, i might get 2 or 3 hours of uninterrupted sleep but after that i always get some discomfort and have to move a little and it takes a while for it to go away, and some minor pain and stiffness also keeps you awake. When you get out the bed I try to thinks that it is not so bad, but you are add a lot of bad nights.
I do a normal life with crutches, I can not imagine the mental hardness of the people who do both legs. you have all my admiration
I find every night my own devils.
The level of pain is like discomfort during the day.
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Hey yagen, no worries what you're experiencing is normal. You can even say the pain in the first few weeks is a rite of passage to getting taller--one must put in his dues for LL.
I was also waking up every 2-3 hours from surgical pains and knee stiffness. There were many nights where I would turn on the hot shower and sat there for an hour watering my knees until the tension went away. I was also not shy about taking tramadols, up to 4 a night at my peak.
After 8 weeks, my legs have gotten strong enough to endure any amount of PT and no longer take any medication.
Cheers
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My goal is 5 cm, I wil follow the advise of sweeden, crimsontide, I prefer a fast and total recovery. At the begininng I thought that the most import stage was lengthening, but This is a complex surgery and the bone consolidation is very important.
Damn, I wanted to be the first femur patient to do only 5 cm but you beat me! ;D
I think it is a wise choice, the more I read the more I believe 5 cm to be the safer limit in femurs. You are probably heading to a speedy recovery.
Just some questions: how is your balance right now? Have you tried to walk with only one crutch? Do you feel like you would be able to do so?
Keep going!
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I have nothing against you, but you always think wrong about me. Dont worry, I am going to tell my diary till the end, I am not goint to waste my time, other users see the same thing about you, I show you my evidences.
Penguinn Said "I'm neutral and want the truth but without any fluff. Is there anything serious Dr. Monegal has done? Your reply to that is "patients are still under him and can't speak up". Looks like we'll have to wait until their LL is done to see if they speak up. Until then this whole thing is running around in circles and just spreading negativity.
Seems fair to everyone? We'll wait a couple months and see if the patients speak up after their LL is done. Everyone can chill and not get their jimmies rustled by baseless things until then."
Please show us your evidences thus all we can improve the forum.
I give you a present for your sources.....
(http://i66.tinypic.com/v7d30h.jpg)
my scars are tiny.
Your problem is that I had not problems with LL
(http://i67.tinypic.com/29zsolx.jpg)
Thanks bro.
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Hi Yagen. To what level does only having one leg inhibit your every day activities. Obviously you live a pretty normal life, is it only sports and sleep that the leg is impacting on?
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Well done LLuser.
Like a shark smelling blood.
You forgot Other 30 patients.
Don t want to mess with any Of You But This Is a real patient And I beg You to show some respect to a legit diary.
As I said. If i ever find a fake diary I Will report It myself.
Goodbye. This Is My Last post ever
Shark smelling blood? No sir, I'm not. There are vultures preying on the forum but I'm not one of them.
You don't have 30 patients. Perhaps you've done around 30 legs but not 30 patients. I know for sure and your patients know.
Your last post ever? Then why did you post again?
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@Ozymandias
Me parece que no somos ni los primeros, ni el primer español en hacerlo. Lo siento pero no vamos a conseguir la pole ;D
A dia de hoy no he intentado andar con una muleta solo, pero creo que tampoco merece la pena en esta fase, estoy seguro que fitbone aguanta mas peso, de hecho los pacientes que se operan de dos piernas a la vez con el andador y al hacer el balanceo necesitan al menos apoya el 50% de su peso. Cada dia tengo mas confianza en la pierna, pero no creo que forzar el fitbone o los clavos sea necesario, porque de momento en esta fase lo que me preocupa es Alargar, estirar y dormir, ademas no se ha formado todavia ningun tipo de cayo oseo que soporte algo de peso.
Si ves el timing de Xavi, termina el dia 64 y el dia 81 esta andando sin muletas, otro paciente de Monegal con el que hablo, segun termino de alargar empezo a caminar. Y por las radiografias no hay ningun cayo oseo formado a los 3 meses. Por lo que supongo que el fitbone aguanta todo el peso, y mas cuando no llevas el fitbone mas de 6 cm que es cuando el momento flector es mayor y hay mas posibilidades de doblarse.
Si hoy finalizase el alargamiento siento la confianza en la pierna para empezar a coger la dinamica de andar con una muleta, pero hasta que no termine el alargamiento y la pierna deje de sufrir, no empezare a andar sin muletas y siempre siguiendo la recomendación del doctor.
Cualquier duda, preguntamela, porque yo me tenia mil dudas que otros pacientes me han ido resoviendo.
My name is Xavi, I'm 33 years old, I’ve got athletic build, my weight is 63 kg and my height was 166 cm.
For personal reasons, become taller, it was my life dream. My legs were slightly curved and they were quite short in compare with the trunk. Also, I've broad shoulders and they seemed disproportionate to my body.
I’ve been walking with shoe insoles until now, because I usually felt lumbar pain. However, I've always been a running lover, but for a long time, I couldn't run because always ended with contractures in the knees or plantar fasciitis.
In August from 2014, I was searching the Internet, when suddenly I found Dr. Alejandro Monegal expert and authorized by Wittenstein Intens in bone lengthening by Fitbone system. He is one of the 25 doctors in the world, who practice this type of surgery.
In September I had the first interview with him. He had empathy with me and he understood perfectly my problem and my complex.
The 16th of October, he made me the first intervention surgery of my left leg. He introduced the Fitbone system inside my femur. Before, we had been agree to do an elongation of 6 cm. At the end, my height is 172 cm. My dream was come true!
Eight days after the surgery, I began with two pulsations of Fitbone system (0.27 mm each pulsation) each day.
11 days after the surgery, I could start walking with crutches. I've been walking 45 minutes every day.
In October 30, I stopped taking painkillers. At that time, I was connected the Fitbone system three times every day.
November 3rd I started working. My life it was more or less normal with crutches limitations.
November 13th I'm connected the Fitbone four times each day. From the third centimetre, I begin to feel some tenderness in the fracture, when I connect the Fitbone system.
On December 19th I'm finished the treatment. I had grown 5 cm and my actual height is 172 cm. That was more than I’ve been expected. Dr. Alejandro Monegal had put my leg completely straight and with that I finally won an extra centimetre. Now, the ratio between the femur and tibia is perfect.
Today 4th January 2015 I can walk without crutches and my femur is consolidating well. So, If all goes well, at the end of February Dr. Alejandro Monegal will do the second surgery on my right leg.
The result is extremely spectacular, and I am very happy and pleased with the process and it seems impossible that my dream was becoming true.
I'm still doing leg stretches (hour and a half every day). It’s important that tendons and muscles have to stretched and is absolutely essential this type of stretching. It is very important to keep track of increases in footwear to adapting to the new height.
Slowly I'm breaking the leg adhesion, because I can’t bend more than 90 degrees. At the same time that the bone is consolidated is important to do some rehabilitation.
My assessment of the whole process is excellent, if you have enthusiasm, discipline and work hard every day, the lengthening process will be effective.
You can see the results from week to week. Dr. Alejandro Monegal has been an excellent surgeon for me. We talk frequently to monitor the whole process and I’m so thankful with him, because he made my dream come true.
My life is changing completely and this is a new beginning for me.
Now that's all. Once, I’ve finished the second surgery, I will write again telling my experience.
Bye and see you soon.
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@patientzero
Thanks for the good advice and for making me see that it is a normal thing.
On my worst night I took two tramadoles .
This weekend weekend I started taking melatonin to regulate sleep, so I can sleep better by the day and evening , adding all naps have been able to sleep eight hours .
That has raised my positive feeling and my level of fatigue now is minimum
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Hi Yagen. To what level does only having one leg inhibit your every day activities. Obviously you live a pretty normal life, is it only sports and sleep that the leg is impacting on?
You spend more time to do anything, the problem is no just the leg, both hands are busy. But You can manage your life.
You are more tired than before surgery, If you stay sit down a lot of time you dont feel comfortable, I prefer to have my leg straight, and remember you fell stiffness in your leg the first hour when you do the clicks.
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I dont think that the stiffness is something that everyone has after clicking. I didnt feel anything after that.
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I started to walk unnaided right after finish my lengthening
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I dont think that the stiffness is something that everyone has after clicking. I didnt feel anything after that.
I feel some stiffness and a bit painn in adductor hip 2/10.
I started to walk unnaided right after finish my lengthening
How is your consolidation? how is your walk? can you with just one leg bear all your weight?
Thank you
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Fitbone4 & Precise2 can hold a lot more weight than is advertised.
I know patients of both nails that started full weight bearing before their doctor gave permission. It is more likely that you will have a loose screw than a broken nail, but I highly discourage you from doing full weight bearing until you have at least 1 visible bony bridge in your x-rays--this may be 2-3 months after you stop distraction. This bony bridge will share the weight and take some stress off the nails.
Some patients get way too comfortable with their internal nails and even do weight bearing during distraction. Don't be that person lol.
I am following what Paley prescribes in his protocols for maximum safety.
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I feel some stiffness and a bit painn in adductor hip 2/10.
How is your consolidation? how is your walk? can you with just one leg bear all your weight?
Thank you
I have very good consolidation. You could see bone callus in my xrays since the firsts months.
Yes . I can bear all my weight in one leg now. My walking is nearly normal but still with a little limp.
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Do Guichet's patients do full weight bearing during lengthening ?
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Fitbone4 & Precise2 can hold a lot more weight than is advertised.
I know patients of both nails that started full weight bearing before their doctor gave permission. It is more likely that you will have a loose screw than a broken nail, but I highly discourage you from doing full weight bearing until you have at least 1 visible bony bridge in your x-rays--this may be 2-3 months after you stop distraction. This bony bridge will share the weight and take some stress off the nails.
Some patients get way too comfortable with their internal nails and even do weight bearing during distraction. Don't be that person lol.
I am following what Paley prescribes in his protocols for maximum safety.
It depends in your consolidation. I highly discourage anyone to walk unnaided during lengthening. But after you stop the distraction if you have good bone formation is the best way to have an early recovery.
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Gracias Yagen, seguiré leyendo tu diario con atención, ya que veo muchos parecidos con mi futura (esperemos) operación (por edad, altura, etc...) Suerte! Ya te queda casi nada para acabar la primera parte!
Fitbone4 & Precise2 can hold a lot more weight than is advertised.
I know patients of both nails that started full weight bearing before their doctor gave permission. It is more likely that you will have a loose screw than a broken nail, but I highly discourage you from doing full weight bearing until you have at least 1 visible bony bridge in your x-rays--this may be 2-3 months after you stop distraction. This bony bridge will share the weight and take some stress off the nails.
Some patients get way too comfortable with their internal nails and even do weight bearing during distraction. Don't be that person lol.
I am following what Paley prescribes in his protocols for maximum safety.
Yep, actually I don't think Fitbone and Precise are much weaker than the Betzbone or the GNail. I remember Bohemia's video walking (very slowly, but full weight-bearing) during distraction (bilateral). But with that being said, full weight-bearing before consolidation (or at least before finished lengthening) is surely a terrible idea.
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How you doing, Yagen? Any updates?
BTW, can you swim while lengthening with Fitbone?
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D +47 About 3,7 cm
Just 18 days to reach the goal, This week is the first week that I have started the countdown. Its a good feeling in your mind, because now you can see the light to the end of the tunnel.
I am feeling better and better every day, as I said the las week I am more confident with my legs. I think the reason are two.
First, your body has recovered from the damage of thr surgey and second you has reach the millestone of 3 cms.
0- 1,5 cm easy
1,5-3 cm a bit hard
3 cm is easy again
This week I will get my second bone scan. I want to see how is the healing and the screw.
I have not pain, and the only problem is sleep, I get 2 naps of 1,5 h at night, two weeks ago I was very tired then I started to work at home a few hours at afternoon thus I could get some naps when I was tired, and my body started to feel better.
Now I can be lying on the bed sleeping on my stomach thus I can put mi knee fully straight with the weight of my own leg over the knee, when I can no sleep I turn on my Kinetec machine and it relax me fou one hour, I am awake but relax in the bed.
I go on lenghtening to 0,81mm, maybe I could increase to 1,08 but I will get reduce 4 days of leghtening but I think 4 days are not so important.
@Ozymandias You can swin and after one month of surgery your increase your confidence in your leg. No esperes ser Michael Phelps!!! y el estilo depende de como sientas la pierna.
After one month you are in routine mode and the millestone is 3 cm after of this is easy and your body is stonger metal and physical.
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D+49 Just two week to end first stage about 3,9 cm
Lengthening is easy and without pain, sleep is bad, just naps but I am tired, but I dont have any pain.
I prefer fatigue than pain. The weekend I feel full of energy because I can sleep when I want, but at work I can´t :)
As I have said, boredom and routine are others enemies, but when your sister told you " you look taller"........simply priceless!!!!!
and I have to reach another 1,5 more.
This week I had my bone scan, and all look good. Screw and consolidation
Bone scan day +27 about 2cm
(http://s27.postimg.org/pstbq806r/IMG_20160217_100432.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
Bone scan day +47 abut 3,7cm
(http://s15.postimg.org/yxec92bff/IMG_20160302_WA0009.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
(http://s8.postimg.org/i17jv1xfp/IMG_20160302_WA0013.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
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Nice one Yagen!
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Nice pictures Yagen,
For all fitbone users, do you feel a lot of difference between lengthening at 0,81 mm/day and 1 mm/day?
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What do you think about your proportions?
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Nice pictures Yagen,
For all fitbone users, do you feel a lot of difference between lengthening at 0,81 mm/day and 1 mm/day?
People say it's like day and night
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D+56 about 4,4 cm
These weeks are the same, I am in "routine mode".
I feel at night after doing my last click a burning Electrical sensation in the femur near to the knee for 3-4 minutes, It must be my nerves, its no pain just similar to electroestimulation.
My proportion looks good but now I can see clearly the gap in my knees, My femur looks longer but I think after 6 months it looks at me normal after looking every day, I think 5 or 6 cm is the maximun if you dont want to look a good proportion nked, but with a boxer o short or a pant its normal. But if you do tibias too you can do more.
Some days I feel greedy and I want more cms, but I think my body is telling me that is enough effort physical and psycological.
I feel higher with 5 cms, and I want to finish the lengthening stage, and see how my leg start recovering time, how the bone grows, how I can walk, if I can sleep better..... Let see!!!
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Good job yagen :)
What about your arms?How they look now?
When is second surgery?
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D+61 2 month post surgery........... I have finished the lengthening phase!!!! Reached 5 cms.
I think my proportion looks good. The last sunday I took a breakfast with a future LL patient, and he told me that I was very good and I like other persons in the street with crutches. My scars.......are.......almost invisible, he told me the same.
5 cms is very easy to hide.
This is my final gap, now I am going to focus in recovery and how my leg is recovering, if I feel pain, stonger.
Some user have asked me if i have duck ass!! when i was reaching 5 cms, I had more tension in my gluteo but I dont have duck ass.
Lets see how is this week without clicks.
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2q0m00i.jpg)
Peaceout, my arms looks good they are stronger and my upper body too because two months in crutches makes me gain more muscle.
I dont know when will be the second surgery, next week I will get the bone scan and how is the bone.
Thank you buddys for the support!!!
Yagen
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if it's not too much to ask, can you post pics of feet area showing your heels (with one leg tiptoeing to make up)? I really want to see how much of an increase 5 cm is :)
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Looks really good, gratz on your new height!!
I hope you enjoy it, you really deserv it. Good luck in your new phase.
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D+68
I will visit Dr Monegal next week and get the bone scan.
I am walking with crutches till Dr Monegal tell me that it is time to walk with one crutch, I'm not in any hurry to start to walk without chutches becuase Its awesome how the leg is recovering in just one week, I can sleep better and I am not tired and without any pain.
I can stand up without crutches for two minutes till my legs are tired, but I can bear more weight to leg.
I am recovering my flexibility and I attached you a video of the basic exercises that I do but with crutches.
My flexibility is between 0-90º.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6JsydwodMs
Classical music is optional :P
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This is amazing yagen!
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Wow! Congratulations!! and you feel no pain???
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D+72
I have started to increase my blood flow in my leg in order to improve the healing. The healing in the femur is better than in tibia because there are more veins.
After a sesion with Electrical Muscle Stimulation my muscle are more flexibles, I am using the program of recovery, in a few days I will strart the program of strenght and resistance. Thus I could contract muscle without weight.
https://www.hammernutrition.com/knowledge/compex-to-the-rescue.17014.html?sect=electrical-muscle-stimulation-section
WHAT ARE THE EFFECTS OF THE ACTIVE RECOVERY PROGRAM?
This program doesn’t cause contractions; it causes muscular twitches. The frequency of the pulse drops gradually during the session, resulting in three types of effect: an increase in blood flow (flushes out toxins faster), an endorphin analgesic effect, a relaxing effect. The end result: faster restoration of the muscular balance.
https://www.compexusa.com/muscle-stimulation/faq
@willsa
I have no pain, just tension
I attached a video of EM sesion
https://vimeo.com/160509694
I have reading to cooper, I am very sad for him but there are some things that I think he is wrong.
1) the healing depend on our body.
2) All doctors know about suprapatellar and infrapatellar nailing approach, did Rozbruch not know about suprapatellar/infrapatellar? Rozbruch is anti Monegal, is not the first case.
I am going an appointment this week with Monegal, and I am going asking about Cooper.
I would like to know his point of view.
I hope Copper you have a better recovery and reach your dreams.
Its "good" that not all the patients of Monegal speak well about him, thus the patients experience are real.
My best wishes Cooper.
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Glad things are going well Yagen. Certainly would be interesting to hear Dr Monegal's point of view! I think it's quite interesting that noone from MIC has posted since...
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D+75
I will have my bone scan today, how is my healing, I want to see if its time to start to walk again. I am very carefully I want to quit first one crutch.
I am going to came back to the gym to start Treadmill Walking workout. I want to see if my corrective insole in my shoe is at the same level than the other foot, to walk well.
meanwhile, I am recovering my flexibility, now I can bend my knee 100º with the CPM machine
This is the video.
https://vimeo.com/160851350
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My bone scan are normal, Now I have a bridge in the bone gap.
(http://s24.postimg.org/3uc02vvxx/IMG_20160401_143151.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
(http://s16.postimg.org/ffni989et/IMG_20160401_143211.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
Monegal told me that I am very well and If I would want I Could do more cms.
the flexibilitiy of my knee is 110º.
Every day my leg feels stonger and stronger
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Glad to hear everything's going well!
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Nice job yagen :)
So you will get other leg done after consolidation on this one right?
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How many cms have you lengthened?
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D+81
@Nightwish Thank you for the support
@Peaceout I will have my next surgery probably in May for the right leg.
@concernedmom I have lenghtened 5 cm and I am doing a few extra clicks to 6 cms, my proportions looks great
Some users in PM has asked me about:
Lordosis/duck ass: I have not any symptom
Sleep: I sleep 6 hours at night with a restful sleep, I am not tired and I can stand up more time without crutches, but I am not walking without chutches till finish my extra clicks.
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Very nice, yagen! Don't become greedy with the lengthening, 5 cm is perfect!
BTW, after reading your previous post I searched "bone gap bridge" in google images and it made my day ;D
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very happy for you that things are going so well!! I think 6cm is durable, won't go above though...
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@ozymandias
jajajajaj.............. I would like to see every day when I wake up "bone gap Bridge"
Thank you for the piece of advide, It was a hard decission, I was visiting other patients last week in Barcelona, I showed my bone scan to Glenn and MusicMaker, and they told me about my healing and the option to do one cm more.
Doctor Monegal told me that he usually see more gap increase, and one cm more it was very realistic.
Besides I was talking with patient that they have finished the lengthening and how they feel and what exercises they can do.
And the main reason is because I am very well, I am doing extra clicks without any problem, I need one week more to reach 6 cms, now I am 5,5. I can sleep well, no nerve pain,no IT band pain (just hardness).
I can bend 110º while I am lengthening this extra cm.
I thing in this surgery you have to be flexible, listen to your body.
@aturro Thank you, 6 cm is enough for me.
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How is it going, yagen? Finished those extra clicks? Tried walking unaided yet?
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if possible 10 cm one surgey
thanks yagen
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D+96 (6cms)
@ozymandias
Yes, last week I finished the extra clicks. It was very easy the last 1,5 cm from 4,5 cm. I dont know if it is because I was a week without clicks or my body reach the breakeven between hurt/recovery.
Now, my IT band is not so hard, the temperature of my leg has decreased and when I touch I can not feel the diference of temperature betten my other leg. I have no any burning sensation of nerves, I felt it one week reaching 4,5 cms.
I have started to do 10 minutes of eliptical, now I can walk without crutches short distances at home. At office I walk short distance with just one crutch, In the street I use both crutches because the floor is not at the same level. Doctor Monegal told me to increase every week 15kg in the leg
I feel more confidence with my leg, I have not pain but I have to recover flexibility, it is just time.
Firts days in the eliptical I can fell the tension in my knee but after 5 session, it went out.
This is my last bone scan
(http://i64.tinypic.com/1zokduq.jpg)
I have reached 6 cm, now I use a boot with the heel cut in my leg, my height at morning is 178,5 with this very little heel.
I will have next surgery in a month!!! I am very happy with the goal.
@unhappy
With fitbone just can reach 8 cms, but Doctor recomend 6,5 cms
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Very nice yagen, good to see your progress!
Curious about you having the second surgery so soon. Do you think your bone will fully consolidated then?
I have reached 6 cm, now I use a boot with the heel cut in my leg, my height at morning is 178,5 with this very little heel.
178,5 is a dream height. Congrats!
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Curious about you having the second surgery so soon. Do you think your bone will fully consolidated then?
Thank you,
The bone will not be fully consolidated, it last a year, but the callus start to bear more weight and adding to the fitbone is the reason that you can bear more weight.
Besides, after surgery I will return to the cruthes!!!
There is a video of other patient "aboali" walking after lengthening.
Let see how is my leg in a month
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Thank you,
The bone will not be fully consolidated, it last a year, but the callus start to bear more weight and adding to the fitbone is the reason that you can bear more weight.
Besides, after surgery I will return to the cruthes!!!
There is a video of other patient "aboali" walking after lengthening.
Let see how is my leg in a month
Yep, that's why I was asking that. I think that a great advantage of two stages procedures is having a fully healthy leg (for standing, balance, short walks at home with just one crutch), so maybe it was a good idea to wait until the leg is consolidated. By "consolidated" I don't mean being able to squat 100 kg or so (which strangely seems to be the only and dumb concern in this forum right now) but having enough callus to bear all your weight without putting too much stress on the screws. But maybe 1 or 2 months is enough for this if your bone formation is OK.
And I guess having to use that 6cm insole sucks! ;D
Good luck. Keep us informed!
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D+115 (one month after finishing lenghtening in my first leg)
I have been working in the other side of the world, far away from my home. I can walk without crutches, but I usually walk with one, because when i take underground I am afraid that someone hit me and I can fall down and the gap fill with insole into the shoe is not so stable. I need more than 6 cm insolate in my shoe for my 6 cms of lengthening.
I am working and doing normal life in a one of the bigest city ot the world, I take the underground, walk by the city, visit monuments and other cities, parties......
My leg feel stronger and I feel the relax on my muscle, I walk a lot.
My leg is not healing at 100% but every day can bear more weight. I am very happy because I dont have any nerve or knee pain.
I will have next surgery in two weeks,
I have created more bone in the last month. A fully femur bone can bear 5.000 kg, when you start to cover the gap with bone you can bear more weight you only need 1% of the gap filled to soport your weight add the weight that fitbone can bear.
I am very carefully with the leg, I try not to stress out the leg, but I feel the worst of the next surgery will be the swelling after surgery,but I am going to be one week at hospital, and after I take two week off.
@ozymandias You dont need a full great callus to start to walk.
I am very happy with the goal of 6 cms.
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Now I try to create bone faster in order to bear my weight for the next surgery.
This is my Ultrasound machine, cheaper than Exogen and you can use without limits, because Exogen has about 250 session after of that Exogen does not work.
Pulsed waves Machine between 1-3MHz, Exogen works 1,5MHz
High frequency, 3MHz has more power but lower depth than to 1MHz.
This is the video, sesion of 20 Minutes per day.
:)
https://vimeo.com/166173769
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I attached you a video how I walked with a crutch two weeks after finishing lengthening.
https://vimeo.com/166681029
you can see the gap between knees in this slim pants, but nobody has told me anything :)
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Thanks for the video yagen.Nice job:)
Your proportions looking great.Can you measure your wingspan please?
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My wingspan is 172
Now, on the beach taking s bath of sun and vitamins for the next surgery!!!!
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2n6wxow.jpg)
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Hi all,
I have recived a lot of PM of user about my second surgery. I can not answer all the message.
I had my second surgery without any problem except internet did not so well, it was my unique complaint.
I think that the pain was less than the first surgery, I thint it was because I knew all the things about post surgery.
How my first leg was very good, I asked to the doctor, it it was possible to quit the antenna and the cable, and he did it in the same surgery.
My first walk was a little hard beause I had stiches in both legs, I think the swelling was less than in the first surgery.
Seven days after surgery I came back to my home.
Now I do a normal life again but with crutches again, I can upstais, downstair, drive my car.
I am now in routine mode!!! I dont spend time in the forum, because its the same that the first surgery. I understand now other patient that they give up to write in the forum, because I dont need more info about LL but I can show my case, because I am very thankfull to other patient like Glenn or Bohemia when they wrote their experience.
Now I am lengthening to 0,81 mm per day, worst moment is the night and I start to sleep bad again, but without pain, just tension.
I can bear all my weight in my first leg, its not 100% but its enough heal to bear my weight and do a normal life.
I attached you a video of my first steps three days after surgery, I had stiches in both legs.
https://vimeo.com/170601358
"Vires acquirit eundo"
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Very happy for you, yagen. In a few months, it will be like if LL has never happened (except that you will be taller, of course!)
I really appreciate all the info you share with me, both public and in PMs.
Good luck!
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Thank you @ozymandias and other users for the best wishes.
I attached you a video how I walk, I did the video without shoes in order to see the gap, it easier walk with a shoe with internal shoe lift
https://vimeo.com/172074127
Lengthening is the same, without pain, just bad night but better than the begining. I take naps of one or two hours. When I can not sleep I play Clash Rolaye :)
Everyday is Groundhog Day
Next video doing exercises climbing stairs, I need to create more muscle but now its time to focus in lengthening and streching.
"Vires acquirit eundo"
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Very happy for you, yagen. In a few months, it will be like if LL has never happened (except that you will be taller, of course!)
I really appreciate all the info you share with me, both public and in PMs.
Good luck!
If he has complications (pretty common among Monegal's patients) he won't forget in a few months. Aimhigh is crippled. Musicmaker has been wheelchairbounded for 2 years and she will never recover. Cooper was crippled and had to be fixed by a top doctor. Other guys are having problems in their daily lives, nerves, bone...
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Thank you @ozymandias and other users for the best wishes.
I attached you a video how I walk, I did the video without shoes in order to see the gap, it easier walk with a shoe with internal shoe lift
https://vimeo.com/172074127
Lengthening is the same, without pain, just bad night but better than the begining. I take naps of one or two hours. When I can not sleep I play Clash Rolaye :)
Everyday is Groundhog Day
Next video doing exercises climbing stairs, I need to create more muscle but now its time to focus in lengthening and streching.
"Vires acquirit eundo"
Nice yagen.
How much have you lengthened in this leg so far? The difference between the 2 legs does not look very big (3 or 4 cm...)
Are you using the stationary bike?
Best whises.
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If he has complications (pretty common among Monegal's patients) he won't forget in a few months. Aimhigh is crippled. Musicmaker has been wheelchairbounded for 2 years and she will never recover. Cooper was crippled and had to be fixed by a top doctor. Other guys are having problems in their daily lives, nerves, bone...
I think LLuser1 you are the first user that wants that a patient has a problem in order to justify your crusade against Monegal.
I have done my first surgery 6 months ago and I dont have any problem thus I think I will no have any problem, but If I had a problem I tell it here.
If you are so honest about Doctors why you dont speak about tibia problems of two girls with Paley. There are others Paleys patients in this forum that know about that.
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@ozymandyas I have done just 2 cms in the video, look a lower gap but the real gap was 4 cms. Yes, I can do stationary bike
Now I have reached 4 cms and I feel my muscle a bit harder, if it increase i will rest two or three days in order to let my body a best recovery. I did the same in the first leg and my it went very well for my body.
I am in the final stage of lengthning and I am very happy with my new look, I go on doing a normal life with crutches.
This is my final height with shoes
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2lkfipt.jpg)
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I think LLuser1 you are the first user that wants that a patient has a problem in order to justify your crusade against Monegal.
I have done my first surgery 6 months ago and I dont have any problem thus I think I will no have any problem, but If I had a problem I tell it here.
If you are so honest about Doctors why you dont speak about tibia problems of two girls with Paley. There are others Paleys patients in this forum that know about that.
I don't know you. I don't know if you have problems. I know many other Monegal patients. They are doing very bad and they have needed corrective surgeries. Paley's girls have had problems but none of them has problems similar to Musicmaker's, the worst case in LL history. Statistically speaking Paley's bad cases are negligible, but Monegal's aren't.
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I don't know you. I don't know if you have problems. I know many other Monegal patients. They are doing very bad and they have needed corrective surgeries. Paley's girls have had problems but none of them has problems similar to Musicmaker's, the worst case in LL history. Statistically speaking Paley's bad cases are negligible, but Monegal's aren't.
10) Hogging the Forum
Constantly replying to a thread (or multiple threads) by repeating the same points and not adding anything new to the discussion. This can be annoying to other members as they keep reading the thread only to find out nothing new is in the discussion The threads may be locked if the discussion is going in circles.
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Just 3 weeks more to reach my final goal.
I am a 4,5 cms and I have started to fell some paint in my ass, but just when I am seat and get up from the chair, but it disappears after a few steps.
I feel my leg stronger, this is a video in the gym. I upload more with diferent exercises
https://vimeo.com/174481601
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this is one of the most legitimate diaries. thanks a lot man!
very happy you're doing alright.
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I dont know this person. I dont know if he is telling the truth but other Monegal patients are lying for sure. I know that.
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I dont know this person. I dont know if he is telling the truth but other Monegal patients are lying for sure. I know that.
10) Hogging the Forum
Constantly replying to a thread (or multiple threads) by repeating the same points and not adding anything new to the discussion. This can be annoying to other members as they keep reading the thread only to find out nothing new is in the discussion The threads may be locked if the discussion is going in circles.
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10) Hogging the Forum
Constantly replying to a thread (or multiple threads) by repeating the same points and not adding anything new to the discussion. This can be annoying to other members as they keep reading the thread only to find out nothing new is in the discussion The threads may be locked if the discussion is going in circles.
Hey man I am not hogging the forum. I was writing in reply to the new post by SAD
If you don't like what you read, don't read my posts.
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I dont know this person. I dont know if he is telling the truth but other Monegal patients are lying for sure. I know that.
Do you not know who I am? do you want a date with me? :P :P :P Remember Cooper I am taller than you
I am so sorry to tell you that my first leg is well how you can check, no pain and very good healing.
This is my healing 6 months after surgery.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/biuxoz.jpg)
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this is one of the most legitimate diaries. thanks a lot man!
very happy you're doing alright.
Thank you SAD for the support
I just try to tell my experience as other patients did before (Glenn, Iamready, Sweeden.......) and what are pros and cons of the different nails.
I think there is not a perfect device and every doctor try to do the best for their patient.
Some user has told me if I can bear all the weight in my first leg. Yes I can do it this is the video.
https://vimeo.com/174783358
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Hey Yagen. Congratulations on your new height!
May I ask how much did you spend? I'm considering spain as one option to do LL and, after reading your diary, femur lengthening with Monegal seems like a good call.
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Hey Yagen. Congratulations on your new height!
May I ask how much did you spend? I'm considering spain as one option to do LL and, after reading your diary, femur lengthening with Monegal seems like a good call.
@NoRegrets
I'm surprised how other users have a list of doctors who recommend when they have not been operated by those doctors.
My first recommendation is not to do this surgery. (The best surgery is when no surgery) Height is not the most important thing in life.
Many thanks for you best wishes
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just two weeks for finishing lengthening.
I'm tired psychologically!!!!
this experience is like a roller coaster, but I'm closer to my goal.
Since I reaches 4 cms is a bit more difficult to extend because I lost FLEXIBILITY and start to have swelling in the knee medial ligament, but when I exercise I miss when this cold I have to massage it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxDbV54Knos
But despite this, my leg is more strength and I can do more things. I'm in the gym for an hour and a half, 20 minutes of cycling and different exercises. Also I usually go to the pool for an hour. It's amazing to walk into the pool.
I attached a video of the leg press with my left leg and both, I can not bear all the weight in my rigth leg because I have not finished lengthening yet. But my left leg looks very well.
https://vimeo.com/175806922
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Do you not know who I am? do you want a date with me? :P :P :P Remember Cooper I am taller than you
I am so sorry to tell you that my first leg is well how you can check, no pain and very good healing.
This is my healing 6 months after surgery.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/biuxoz.jpg)
I'm not Cooper. I don't a date with you. I prefer Musicmaker. 8)
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Can't imagine why musicmaker avoids the forum...
Wtf
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Hey yagen. Could you post a pic to show how much does a 6cm difference between each leg looks like? If you have taken one at the start or before your second leg surgery. Just to have an idea how much 6cm looks like
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@NoRegrets
I'm surprised how other users have a list of doctors who recommend when they have not been operated by those doctors.
My first recommendation is not to do this surgery. (The best surgery is when no surgery) Height is not the most important thing in life.
Many thanks for you best wishes
So, do you regret it?
Why do you recommend not doing it? You seem to be doing great.
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@TIBIKE this video is before second surgery
https://vimeo.com/176316385
@NoRegrets
I am happy at this point, but LL is not a bed of roses (bored, pain.....), . You are going to win XXX cms, but you are going to lose other things (time, money...)
If my son wolud like to do LL, I will tell him "think twice", its a personal decision and you have to want it a lot.
in other way, I attached a video in the pool
Its a great feeling when you can walk into the pool.
https://vimeo.com/176314074
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@TIBIKE this video is before second surgery
https://vimeo.com/176316385
@NoRegrets
I am happy at this point, but LL is not a bed of roses (bored, pain.....), . You are going to win XXX cms, but you are going to lose other things (time, money...)
If my son wolud like to do LL, I will tell him "think twice", its a personal decision and you have to want it a lot.
in other way, I attached a video in the pool
Its a great feeling when you can walk into the pool.
https://vimeo.com/176314074
Everything comes with a price I guess :) It's up to us to decide if its worth it.
Thanks for sharing!
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After the last check with the doctor, I just had 0,25 mm to lengthen.
I saw there three new patients. My bones are healing very good in both legs.
After reached 4,5 cm I lost flexibility and the mucles were harder.
This is a video of my first steps just 2,5 months after surgery.
https://vimeo.com/177817266
Thanks for all the best wishes.
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When will you be off crutches??
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Just four months after second surgery.
Walking normal without crutches
https://vimeo.com/182915376
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That's awesome! Good job, man. :) It's motivating.
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Did you experience any sort of hair loss? Temporary or permanently?
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Did you experience any sort of hair loss? Temporary or permanently?
I have been taking finasteride for 10 years, I dont have a receding hairline but I use it just for precaution.
I have not experienced any kind os haris loss
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https://vimeo.com/188027827
Vídeo 5 month after second surgery
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I can go upstair four floors without stops, my legs feel better every week.
Now I can dance and do a normal life.
My legs are not to 100 or 90%, maybe 60% but improving.
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Excellent diary, Im happy for you Yagen!
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Last xrays from my right leg - five and a half months after surgery
(http://i66.tinypic.com/5mkcit.jpg)
(http://i66.tinypic.com/jil6jd.jpg)
(http://i68.tinypic.com/1z6ckmg.jpg)
A very good healing
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A very good healing
Very good indeed!
You lengthened 6 cm, didn't you?
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Ozymandias are you doing 2 stage with Dr Baumgart?
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Ozymandias are you doing 2 stage with Dr Baumgart?
No. Why?
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You said Baumgart did that in Mongeal's thread and it was good
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need to reply to the hair loss question
my hair is better than ever. Not sure why this surgery would cause baldness, but in case are you wondering, I still have all my hair
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This answer shouldn't go here
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Last xrays from my left leg - nine and a half months after surgery.
Very happy and without any problem, everything is going swimmingly
(http://i66.tinypic.com/21ew6u.jpg)
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2dl4ynm.jpg)
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Thanks so much for your post! I wish a good recovery.
I have just undergone bilateral surgery at Clinica Diagonal 2 days ago.
It seems that the first cms are easier than the last cms, is that true?
So if you lengthen 8 cm the last 3 cm might be harder than lengthening the first 5, right?
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But 170 cm is great height :( Why would you do that surgery :(
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But 170 cm is great height :( Why would you do that surgery :(
most people who're 5'5 want to be 5'7. 5'10 want to be 6'0. we want more and more.
if you received 1 million dollars its will be enough for you, but other billionares wants more
165 cm is good
170 cm is good
we can walk thats the most important thing, if you beat your mind and could stop surgery's idea you will win, could you? Good luck
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Yesterday I was talking to the doctor monegal about doing 4 cm in my tibias this next summer.
I would do both legs at the same time.
My first surgery was a year ago and today I do a normal life, except that I do not run or jump.
In this forum has always been talked about trust in a doctor, if someone repeats with the same doctor is because he is happy with the goal.
I am starting to prepare for the surgery and I would like to improve my flexibility in my ankle.
What are the best dorxiflesion boots?
Many thanks
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How come you want to lengthen tibias? Are you not content with your final height/proportions? You said a few posts earlier that you do not reccomend this surgery
edit: Happy to hear you are back to normality :)
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How come you want to lengthen tibias? Are you not content with your final height/proportions? You said a few posts earlier that you do not reccomend this surgery
edit: Happy to hear you are back to normality :)
I recomend femur vs tibia because femur has a faster heal and you can do more cm without misaligment
Nobody has told me anything about my proportions, some girls has seen me nked and the only thing that they asked me was about the antenna when they touch my quadriceps.
I am very happy with my new height. Its a great spike from 1.70-1,72 to 1,76-1,78, but 4 cm more is a great plus.
Many thanks for the best wishes
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I am sure it is a great spike from 170 to 176. From a little below average to dead average.
Btw, is a 6cm change very apparent to you? I mean, people who you thought were 180+ turned out to be not really 180+?
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I am sure it is a great spike from 170 to 176. From a little below average to dead average.
Btw, is a 6cm change very apparent to you? I mean, people who you thought were 180+ turned out to be not really 180+?
I did that amount and it's a big difference for me. I've pretty much accepted the fact that I'll have to start a new life because it's impossible to keep it a secret
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Hi Yagen, nice to know you are doing fine.
Have you talk to Monegal about the post-op? If you are doing bilateral you are supposed to use a wheelchair for at least 2 months, am I right?
I'm guessing you are going for internals... or maybe LON?
Best of luck.
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Thanks for a great diary yagen.Im glad you are fine.
You mentioned that you are alredy over your wingspan with 4 cm.Another 4 cm on tibias will make it -8.What do you think about it??
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hey there super updates :))
why dont you jump or run , you think you could in time ?
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@TIBIKE200
With my Nike air max I reach 1,81 cm, People who do not know me before thinks that I am a tall guy, but I think it is because I am slim guy, I look taller.
Two months ago in a funeral a girl that I have not seen her in 15 years said to me "Your family is very tall" .....but my sister is 1,70.....people change the way that you see you if you are slim.
My new girlfriend told me often you are tall.
@ub40
People told me first time that I could walk without crutches, you look taller, but after a week they dont say anything.
@Ozymandias
Yes, I know that if I do bilateral I will be on a wheelchair 2 months but I was visiting Helloworld thay he is doing bilateral, and he can walk with a walker, he weighs more than me and I dont have enough time to do this in two stages.
I think one of the best ways for a faster heal is walk, walk and weight increase the healing. I think machines like alter G or similar are the best ways for a faster heal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv9hra_yn_Q
http://www.lightspeedrunningandrehabilitation.com/lightspeed-running-and-rehab-system-demonstration-videos/adult-demos/
@Peaceout
Nobody has told me anything about my proportions even when I wear a lift/air max to increase "my tibia"
@jojo
I do not run because I do not feel enough confidence in my legs also when the nails are in your femur you do not have the same sensations.
This operation is pretty crazy and you need time to recover.
I will do my next bone scan at the end of this month, and I will see the heal.
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Happy you are doign well Yagan.
About bilateral vs unileteral, I worte about it in detail in my diary.
Basically, I do not think that there is more pain in bilateral than unilateral and the inconvenience of being in wheel chair and then walker vs crutches is minimal and I believe I am able to do all the recovery exercises like biking, walking in the pool, stretching as any unilateral patient.
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Happy you are doign well Yagan.
About bilateral vs unileteral, I worte about it in detail in my diary.
Basically, I do not think that there is more pain in bilateral than unilateral and the inconvenience of being in wheel chair and then walker vs crutches is minimal and I believe I am able to do all the recovery exercises like biking, walking in the pool, stretching as any unilateral patient.
There is more pain in bilateral because you are lengthening both legs. 2 legs Will Hurt more than one. To be in a wheel chair is much more limitating and psichológical exhausting than to be in crutches. To strech properly you are going to need help. By the other side you Will finish faster .
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There is more pain in bilateral because you are lengthening both legs. 2 legs Will Hurt more than one. To be in a wheel chair is much more limitating and psichológical exhausting than to be in crutches. To strech properly you are going to need help. By the other side you Will finish faster .
Have you done both unilateral and bilateral or how do you know?
I have talked to many unilateral patients and the pain they describe goes far beyond what I feel.
I suspect it has to do the way the brain works, pain is a sign that something is wrong and that you better do something about it. When you got one good leg and one bad leg your brain keeps noticing the difference, when you do both at the same time, your brain has nothing to good leg to compare to and reduce pain signals.
So from my experience compared to many unilateral patients pain is LESS when doing both at the same time!
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181 is a solid height man.Happy for you.
So,so far what is your overall opinion about this?Would you recommend this?Does it's contributions overweight the things that it takes from you?
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Have you done both unilateral and bilateral or how do you know?
I have talked to many unilateral patients and the pain they describe goes far beyond what I feel.
I suspect it has to do the way the brain works, pain is a sign that something is wrong and that you better do something about it. When you got one good leg and one bad leg your brain keeps noticing the difference, when you do both at the same time, your brain has nothing to good leg to compare to and reduce pain signals.
So from my experience compared to many unilateral patients pain is LESS when doing both at the same time!
HAHAHA , i can only laught about this. I dont really need to refute your argument because your last sentence is just all an intelligent person needs to dont take your post seriously.
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Have you done both unilateral and bilateral or how do you know?
I have talked to many unilateral patients and the pain they describe goes far beyond what I feel.
I suspect it has to do the way the brain works, pain is a sign that something is wrong and that you better do something about it. When you got one good leg and one bad leg your brain keeps noticing the difference, when you do both at the same time, your brain has nothing to good leg to compare to and reduce pain signals.
So from my experience compared to many unilateral patients pain is LESS when doing both at the same time!
Everyone has a different sense of pain. Some people will experience more pain doing one leg than doing two at the same time but the logic tells that 2 broken legs hurt more than 1.
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Hola Yagen! Me alegro que estés tan bien.
Un par de preguntas, estás convencido de alargar tibias tambien? Te convence la explicacion de Dr. Monegal para evitar la posibilidad de dolor permanente en las rodillas?
Gracias!
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@Krp1 and Helloworld,
I know both of us, I think both are right.
Pain, disconfort and patien are not equal in every person.
For me the worst of LL was that I could not sleep well, I prefer to stay more time in a wheelchair but not do two surgerys and sleep bad the double of time.
@Peaceout
I am happy and I see that people look me in a different way. My new gilrfriend told me that people see me because I look a tall guy, and I think it is because I look taller becasue I am slim.
last week, my old student intern that I had not seen in two years told me "you get strong", but it is not true I am five kg heavier than two years ago.
I am happy but you lose time, muscle, and your legs dont recover 100%, you can do a normal life but not an athletic life.
@Antonio
I see that your recover goes well too, I am very glad for you, How is your healing?
For me the main problem in the ankle and the missaligment and not the knee,
Every day doctors put hundreds of intramedular nails (trauma nail) in the tibia by the knee.
I was asking to Paco1 and Glenn, and They told me that they were fine.
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Have you done both unilateral and bilateral or how do you know?
I have talked to many unilateral patients and the pain they describe goes far beyond what I feel.
I suspect it has to do the way the brain works, pain is a sign that something is wrong and that you better do something about it. When you got one good leg and one bad leg your brain keeps noticing the difference, when you do both at the same time, your brain has nothing to good leg to compare to and reduce pain signals.
So basically it is not the external circumstance, like a broken leg, that is causing the pain, but the brain is producing pain on purpose, if it thinks you need a reminder to fix do something about your health.
A nice example of the brain causing pain are painful phantom legs, where a painful leg is amputated and the same pain as before continues! And the even more curious thing is that when you still have one leg and use a mirror for you to get the illusion that you are moving the amputated leg, the pain of the amputated leg can go away, as explained in this video:
https://youtu.be/Rl2LwnaUA-k?t=574 (minute 9:35 -16:00)
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There are some patients with problems of non-union.
A new trial is doing in twenty hospitals from Europe, ORTHOUNION
ORTHOpedic randomized clinical trial with expanded bone marrow MSC and bioceramics versus autograft in long bone nonUNIONs
http://www.telemadrid.es/programas/telenoticias-fin-de-semana/telenoticias-fin-de-semana-05032017-0 (http://www.telemadrid.es/programas/telenoticias-fin-de-semana/telenoticias-fin-de-semana-05032017-0)
You can see it in 10:40 Minutes.
If it works, healing will be faster.
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Hi Yagen
Congrats for your achievement. I'm planning to do two stage as well. What did you tell to your work colleagues when you came back after the first surgery?
Could you also send the índole Brand and shoes you used when the gap was larger than 5cm?
Thank you!
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Mdream.
I got cheap boots similar to these to put the insole inside.
http://www.pikolinos.com/es-es/leon-m8e-8092.html?id=201740&gclid=Cj0KEQjw5YfHBRDzjNnioYq3_swBEiQArj4pdBaMhlEdDVV_qqWS08XhGrpFI5djjCdPHCWTWjqVbDEaAmYR8P8HAQ
You can also trim the heel with a saw if you need more height. You only need this boots for 3 or 4 weeks till next surgery.
I told to my mates that I had a bone problem I was very sad about it, I did not talk to much about it. I would need time for recovery, workout and growing factors.
Good luck in your trip
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10 months after second leg surgery.
Many people have asked me about recovery in private.
I do a normal life, I have recovered the flexibility and I can run, but I do not want to stress the bone because the nail is still there.
This video is from a few weeks ago.
https://vimeo.com/211838379
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Today´s Bone scan, Less 1 year from last surgery.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/13zoi11.jpg)
It´s hard to see the new bone, where is the osteotomy and a very good alignment.
Very happy with all.
:)
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You look perfect Yagen! ;)
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looks great yagen! we would love to see more videos of you doing sports and such :)
question - why is it that the Fitbone is usually inserted through the knee (retrograde)? Given the risk of knee damage, why is it still done that way?
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It is not "still" done, but it is a new procedure that goes not through but around knee ligaments that Dr. Monegal developed to reduce the risk of femure breaking and to prevent hip complications.
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Perfect results, one of the best i've seen.
You did it Yagen, lets hope all of us be as lucky as you when we finish femur LL.
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Amazing results Yagen.
I wish you a happy life. You rightfully earned it
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Congratulations, you've got only to remove the nails and you will be free :)
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One patient told me this guy is one of the few not bad outcomes of the doctor
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One patient told me this guy is one of the few not bad outcomes of the doctor
Dude you're a fking nightmare. GTFO here.
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Many thanks TIBIKE200, Body Builder, LLSouthAmerica, Helloworld, Auron.
I am going to do 4 cms in tibias this year, I have started to plan the surgery
I am going to do just 4 cms because it´s enough for me and following the advise of Glenn and Iamready, Both told that 5 cms is hard for the ankle and achilles heel.
Doctor Monegal told me with 3,5 or 4 cm, he have not to touch me he achillss heel.
@alps I will upload more video doing workout, up and down stairs. I have seen a lot of videos of people walking, but the hardest thing is down stair.
@notimportant/LLUSER I have more info than you about Monegal´s patients, If I have decided to do tibias with him is because I trust in him despite tibias are riskier.
when you have a big problem you have to split in smaller pieces. In this surgery is better to do less cm and see how to body heel, and maybe in the future you can do a new surgery.
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One year after second leg surgery.
https://vimeo.com/216568075
Antenna and cable is visible when the IT band is working hard, but when it is relaxed its not noticeable.
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Looks great!
Just that the tibias look a little short compared to you femure.
You could consider lengthening tibia 3-4 cm to get better proportions.
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Do you want to strengthen first your body before doing the tibias? It seems like your gait is not normal yet.
All the best!
One year after second leg surgery.
https://vimeo.com/216568075
Antenna and cable is visible when the IT band is working hard, but when it is relaxed its not noticeable.
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i think with shorts your proportions are good.
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Quiet honestly I don't see any disproportion ! Yagen looks pretty good !
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@mediocre I dont do a lot of workout but everyday I try to do new things with my legs, you improve every month. I wil try to attach a video about agility in the legs. Nobody has told me anything about limp, I can walk normaly
I am wearing a night dorsiflexion boot in order to train my ankle, fascia and achilles heel. I will post the pictures of boots and how to use to train lateral tendons
@helloworld @paco1 @U only live once
The view in the video its the worst and I was barefoot with a shoe with a tiny heel my legs look normal when I stand up with shorts on the beach, Nobody has told me anything. Obviously a increase of 4 cm looks better.
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Hi Yagen,
Terrific diary !! Before I read you diary I was convinced I was doing one stage LL but your diary is kinda changing my mind. I can see you have been able to continue with your normal life with only taking few days off for the surgery. I had a chat with Monegal and he recommends a two stage lengthening precisely because this will have a minimal effect on the patient normal life which in turn helps with the recovery.
Same as you, I work in a office and I wonder how awkward is to wear one of those insoles without people actually noticing it. Could you share your experience with me? Do I need to have tailor made shoes?
I'm planning my trip to Spain the second of August but I still can't make my mind on whether I should do one or two stage. I might start a similar diary as yours!
Thanks mate !!
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Road to Tibias 2017.
i have started my workout for LL in Tibias in order to reduce the odds of problems with ballerina foot
Every day I strech my ankles and my aquilles heel for one hour with dorxiflexion boots. I recomend this boot if you do femur too because it stretch Hamstrings too.
Price is about 20USD in amazon
(https://preview.ibb.co/daeHDF/IMG_20170605_230711.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dUf2fv)
(https://preview.ibb.co/hgooLv/IMG_20170605_230838.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bHiNfv)
You can put the white cushion in diferent position in order to reduce the angle and gain more flexibility, besides if you split the white cushion in two and use just one, you can train oblique tendons
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Great idea to improve flexibility, how many cm are you planning ( maybe before achilles starts annoying)? And are you planning one stage procedure?
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I think Yagen you want about 4cm more in tibias.
If I am right then there is really no need to stretch that much. It is almost impossible to have bf problems for 4-5 cm lengthening. After all many doctors believe that stretching before LL plays a minor to zero role to what will happen when you lengthen. Flexibility of soft tissues is more a genetic thing. But I repeat, for less than 5 cm in tibias the risk of major bf is almost zero.
For this amount however I think that you can easily do externals only.
I don't know if Monegal is experienced in external methods but I wouldn't do internals in tibias for many reasons.
But it is up to you.
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Hello,
I was trying to find a topic somewhere but I did not. Is there a endocrinologist and orthopedic surgeon follow-up before and after the operation?
Thanks
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@onemorefoot
My goal is 4 cm, with internal rods in just one stage, thus I will compare the heads and tails of one stage versus two stages.
@Body Builder
I know that 4 cm is "easy" in tibias but all the workout that I can do I think that it's better. After one hour with the boots, the sole of your feet feels as you have some ants inside. I think it is a good stretching.
I know that external have pros but cons too. Time for me is the most valuable thing. I was meeting with Helloworld when he was doing lengthening phase and he can do a normal life with a walker.
I have been asking some patients about knee pain and they have not any problem, but I thank you for your suggestion. ;)
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I have started a new project for a better recovery "Anti-gravity treadmill". Walk and put weight in your legs it's the most important for recovery.
I can reduce my weight while walking as much as I want. 25 Kg in the scale.
(https://preview.ibb.co/duH7Nk/IMG_20170613_WA0001.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jxwOv5)
(https://preview.ibb.co/grzyTQ/IMG_20170613_WA0002.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eBfSNk)
(https://preview.ibb.co/gsWZ2k/IMG_20170613_WA0003.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dAUMhk)
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Thats some feat Yagen, looks great, my only worry would be how you would be able to safely get into it whilst adhering to the weight bearing restrictions.
Looking forward to your diary, as said before there is so few tibia diaries of any device especially fitbone.
Best of luck!
Sunflower
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On 5th of September, after Dr. Monegal come back from his vacation, I Will have my surgery in both tibias.
I have stretched a lot.
This surgery for me is different than the first time, I know how it is, I am quiet and I know that I am in good hands.
My goal is 4 cms, I hope to reach this gap in 50 days, with a ratio of 0,81 mm, but I am flexible. In this surgery, you have to be flexible and I will listen to my body.
This forum has become a bullcrap because just a few people upload pictures or videos, I will do it. There are few patients with internal methods on tibias.
There are some multi-user telling fakes every day. Doctor Monegal is now on vacations and he can not meet with anyone.
If I repeat my surgery with the same doctor is because I am in one of the best hands.
Alea iacta est.
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Hi Yagen,
What made you decide to do bilateral in the tibia's? Is the recovery time for the tibia's similar to the femurs?
Very much interested in your latest journey!
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Good luck Yagen.
Journey can be difficult but you are in the best hands.
Keep us updated.
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Too bad I am leaving Barcelona on Monday, the 4th of September. Wish you all the best!
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On 5th of September, after Dr. Monegal come back from his vacation, I Will have my surgery in both tibias.
I have stretched a lot.
This surgery for me is different than the first time, I know how it is, I am quiet and I know that I am in good hands.
My goal is 4 cms, I hope to reach this gap in 50 days, with a ratio of 0,81 mm, but I am flexible. In this surgery, you have to be flexible and I will listen to my body.
This forum has become a bullcrap because just a few people upload pictures or videos, I will do it. There are few patients with internal methods on tibias.
There are some multi-user telling fakes every day. Doctor Monegal is now on vacations and he can not meet with anyone.
If I repeat my surgery with the same doctor is because I am in one of the best hands.
Alea iacta est.
HI Yagen,
Are you staying in MIC? If so until when? I may be able to see u down there
All the best!
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I think Yagen you want about 4cm more in tibias.
If I am right then there is really no need to stretch that much. It is almost impossible to have bf problems for 4-5 cm lengthening. After all many doctors believe that stretching before LL plays a minor to zero role to what will happen when you lengthen. Flexibility of soft tissues is more a genetic thing. But I repeat, for less than 5 cm in tibias the risk of major bf is almost zero.
For this amount however I think that you can easily do externals only.
I don't know if Monegal is experienced in external methods but I wouldn't do internals in tibias for many reasons.
But it is up to you.
Stop chatting total bullcrap... You can do 5 cm and have massive ballerina. You can do 3 cm and have ballerina. Other thing is that laying flat feet on the ground does not make anything good. IE you need full dorsiflexion to walk downstairs like a normal person without being uncomfortable.
BB where did you find information that doing 5 cm prevents you from having any risk in term of ballerina foot? I would love to read it.
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Stop chatting total bullcrap... You can do 5 cm and have massive ballerina. You can do 3 cm and have ballerina. Other thing is that laying flat feet on the ground does not make anything good. IE you need full dorsiflexion to walk downstairs like a normal person without being uncomfortable.
BB where did you find information that doing 5 cm prevents you from having any risk in term of ballerina foot? I would love to read it.
If you lengthen at a slow rate (0.66 cm per day) it is almost impossible to have major bf before 5cm.
I never saw anyone to have bf at less that 5-5.5 that haven't completely gone away 2-3 months max after he stopped lengthening.
And from my personal experience, before 6cm my fb was minimum (less that 10 degrees for sure) but after that amount it became much worse, although I still believe that I could handle it without doind the crapy LL.
So Doomsday show respect to a veteran and don't say that I write bullcraps.
Bf strongly related to the amount you lengthen and the lengthening speed and no, at 3-4 cm is almost impossible to have bf unless you had equinus problems even before LL.
If you know anyone who had major bf at less than 5cm tell us who he was.
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If you lengthen at a slow rate (0.66 cm per day) it is almost impossible to have major bf before 5cm.
I never saw anyone to have bf at less that 5-5.5 that haven't completely gone away 2-3 months max after he stopped lengthening.
And from my personal experience, before 6cm my fb was minimum (less that 10 degrees for sure) but after that amount it became much worse, although I still believe that I could handle it without doind the crapy LL.
So do you think that one can lengthen to 6 cm tibias (actual gain) without developing bf (or bf that's not easily fixed by walking/pt post lengthening) if they walk as much as possible and lengthening as slow as their consolidation will let them (without getting preconsolidation)? Pretty much the question is can you lengthen to 6 cm tibias and NOT do ATL and still not have bf but also feel "normal" post recovery.
I know it varies between people/genetics but whats your opinion on this. I know that 5cm is doable without complications, but what about 6 cm? Where do you think is the line is drawn? Can you do 6.5 cm in tibias if you take ALL the precautions (flexible pre surgery, walk frequently, lengthen as slow as physically possible, take a week break from lengthening in the middle if your consolidation lets you, etc) and not have bf but also not do ATL and also feel "normal" (relatively normal).
Like I said i know it varies but what do you think in general?
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Hey Yagen,
How did Tibia operation go?
Best of luck
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I had my bilateral surgery It was fine surgery last about 4 hours.
All was OK, doctor Monegal told me that my left tibia was more curly. Every patient and every surgery is unique.
I took the epidural anesthesia for 2 or 3 days, level of pain was about 3/10. I was tired to stay on the bed, and after one hour I needed to change my position.
After of the surgery, I can move my toes and I had more feeling in the feet than with femurs, till this point one stage/two stages is very similar when you don't need to move from your bed. Before surgery I was frightened about the catheter in my penis, they put me when I was dreamed, and it was easy to manage the first days,
In the surgery room, Dr Monegal was accompanied by Dr Donghoon Lee from Korea that he uses to use Precise, but he wants to know the technique of Dr Monegal in the tibia to introduce the nail without hurt tendons. Besides, there were a French doctor and a woman, I didn´t remember their names.
So I think this forum is to share experience, and doctors try to do the best for their patients, someone prefers Precise or Fitbone, but they interchange their knowledge for the best outcome of the patients.
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I attached a video three days after surgery. I can move my leg and it is easier to move the leg than with femurs.
https://vimeo.com/233980588
The level of pain was at the video 1/10. A little pain in the nail that join ankle with the fibula.
Some user has told me about the tube in my penis when I did two stages in femurs, they did not put me, but when you do bilateral, they put this small tube, I did not feel anything just a bit painful when they quit me three days after surgery. They don't put you anything in your ass if you want to do poop you ask for a chock, and you poop over it on your bed.
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Hello Yagen,
I am going to do LL operation at the end of this year (5cm in tibias).
i have ever heard that after lengthening, years later, people usually face some problems like aching bones, getting painful whenever weather changes like turning winter. Although your bones get full consolidation, this side effect still last forever.
How is your? Pls give us some experiences.
Tks so much!
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Yo - Clinical Diagonal feels like a decade ago...Nice to see the video. Probably the best hospital and service i've ever experienced. When are you arriving at MIC? I'm here now 8) Would be awesome to hang out!
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At this point, I think it's easier to do bilateral tibias than two stages with femurs. knee suffers less. I can handle by myself the third day between the bed and wheelchair and go to the bathroom.
I feel better right leg than the left one, but it is normal, I had more curly my left leg.
I took a stolen picture of the Dr. Monegal / Dr. Donghoon Lee / Frenchman Dr and a girl while they were taking a snack, and I was waiting for admission
(http://i66.tinypic.com/258qvyt.jpg)
I will try to upload the x-ray of the osteotomy
@kimthien2246 I can not forecast the weather, and I had my first surgery 1 year and 9 months.
@InferiorityComplex Alberto the PT told me about a patient in the Mics, I do not if it would be you. I will be in a hotel/apartment of my best friend. But it easy to meet in x-ray or just for a coffee.
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Nice stalking job!
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It's me, Alberto is the bomb. In great hands
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Hi yagen,
From experience do you think I can go for a walk around 3 weeks after surgery somewhere around barcelona, I feel like it's a shame I'm in one of the most touristic cities in the world and I'm not seeing anything ..anyways all the best for you.
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@InferiorityComplex I have sent you a PM
@Datum I respect your opinion.
@U only live once in three weeks you will be very good, and every week you feel stronger but think the street is hard, I was frightened when the ground was wet, it is very slippery. Think twice, you can do normal things but if someone pushes you, you are going to fall. Becarefull, its time to think about LL and recovery, you can visit Barcelona in next years.
I was very lucky than 4 doctors of different countries were in my surgery Experts in Fitbone and Precise. I just tell my trip.
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Good luck Yagen!
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@Datum I respect your opinion.
It's a compliment. You should join Lluser's team.
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Dear mates,
I am in the final days of lengthening. I have wanted to be outside of the forums focus in lengthening, workout.
I attached a video of the evolution, till now I had not any complications, I have been very carefully, I have been a lot of time in the wheelchair, doing bicycle and workout routine.
I think tibias are a little more painful than femurs. I have not ballerina problems, but I have to focus on the full extension of my knee.
I could hand by myself between bed, wheelchair, and restroom the third day after surgery.
Pros of bilateral vs Two stages.
- You only focus on the pain of your worst leg.
- Just one surgery
Cons
- you are not independent like with crutches, drive a wheelchair in the street is an odyssey and you need an assistant for anything.
It is a personal decision bilateral/two stages.
I will try to answer all de Private message that I have.
https://vimeo.com/240383192
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Yagen is your final height will be more than 180cm? Can you specify how much height do you gain( or will gain) in each surgery ?
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I try to answer some private message.
My height is now about 1,84-1,85 with shoes.
I did 6 cms in femurs and 4 in tibias.
I think that tibias are a little more painful because the worst stage in lengthening is between 1 and 3 cms. But after one week finished lengthening you feel without pain just a little pain in the knee in the muscles because I have to improve my extension of the knee but everyday muscles accept their new height.
I dont have any pain in the insertion of the nail in the knee.
I will have a new Xray next week to check the consolidation.
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I try to answer some private message.
My height is now about 1,84-1,85 with shoes.
I did 6 cms in femurs and 4 in tibias.
I think that tibias are a little more painful because the worst stage in lengthening is between 1 and 3 cms. But after one week finished lengthening you feel without pain just a little pain in the knee in the muscles because I have to improve my extension of the knee but everyday muscles accept their new height.
I dont have any pain in the insertion of the nail in the knee.
I will have a new Xray next week to check the consolidation.
Why you did so little CM in each limb? would you along longer more Cm if you want to ,Is it either a doctor limitation or your option for safety issues?, as I know femur can go up to 8 cm and tibias go up to 6,5 cm,why you don't go to get these 14,5 cm?
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I try to answer some private message.
My height is now about 1,84-1,85 with shoes.
With shoes and socks, right?
So that your actual height would be around 1,82?
Have a great recovery!
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@enrique this is a surgery with you have to manage some doubts at the beginning.
I remember two years ago with my first appointment with Dr Monegal, I want to reach to 8 cms, it is possible some users (like bohemia) have done. But for me first I reached 5 cm and I saw that my body can do 1 cm more.
Think that some people have pre consolidation, but other have a low consolidation and no union.
You have to manage risk and reward, for me, 6 cms in femurs and 4 in tibias are safe goals.
Other point is proportions, 14 cms are too much. I remember Iamready he did 7+5, and he wants to wear flat shoes. And after of that, he did LL in the humerus.
Sometimes less is more.
@helloworld
I will be lower than you, but we can compare next time in our next coffee.
I will wear snow socks :p
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New X-Ray.
Consolidation is good.
https://vimeo.com/242725666
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@jojo thanks for your support
I Upload a video asking you PM.
https://vimeo.com/244312827
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Good luck, yagen. Have a fast recovery!
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I attached you the xray after three months.
At this point, I can walk with crutches by the street, upstairs and downstairs without problems, I can stand up without crutches and my legs start to feel stronger.
Comparing femurs and tibias, I think tibias are harder than femurs, I don't have any pain in my knee, but ankle suffer more and the stability is worst because in femurs you can suffer lordosis and in tibias ankle pain. Ankle is more important for stability than your ass. I remember Iamready telling the same with his ankles.
After three months post surgery with the internal method, the consolidation is good but I think the rate of consolidation of 1 or 1,5 months for cms is not so true as other users said. I can imagine how long you have to waste with an external method without an internal nail. I can imagine how long you have to waste with a external method without a internal nail.
Speaking with Dr. M, he offered me fitbone or Precise to do tibias.
(https://preview.ibb.co/eq0ZS6/IMG_20171213_WA0004_1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gX3on6)
(https://preview.ibb.co/gQzm76/IMG_20171213_WA0002_1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iD0F0R)
BSHR thanks for your wishes
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I attached you the xray after three months.
At this point, I can walk with crutches by the street, upstairs and downstairs without problems, I can stand up without crutches and my legs start to feel stronger.
Comparing femurs and tibias, I think tibias are harder than femurs, I don't have any pain in my knee, but ankle suffer more and the stability is worst because in femurs you can suffer lordosis and in tibias ankle pain. Ankle is more important for stability than your ass. I remember Iamready telling the same with his ankles.
After three months post surgery with the internal method, the consolidation is good but I think the rate of consolidation of 1 or 1,5 months for cms is not so true as other users said. I can imagine how long you have to waste with an external method without an internal nail. I can imagine how long you have to waste with a external method without a internal nail.
Speaking with Dr. M, he offered me fitbone or Precise to do tibias.
(https://preview.ibb.co/eq0ZS6/IMG_20171213_WA0004_1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gX3on6)
(https://preview.ibb.co/gQzm76/IMG_20171213_WA0002_1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iD0F0R)
BSHR thanks for your wishes
Well done Yagen, thanks for the update
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hello
when did you come back to work after such operation ? does it require long sickness leave? or you are able to work during the process?
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@awatin
I was working at home, but I can go to my office one month after finished lengthening.
I attached the xray after 4,5 months, the consolidation is good but I think is slower than in my femurs.
A lot of people speak about fitbone devices I have 4 fitbone devices without any problem I have been very careful with them using crutches during lengthening and the first week after finished.
If was a great decision to do just 4 cms because my ankle is perfect, I have no pain in my knee and I was a bit of ballerina feet but after walking every day and left a rise in my shoe it disappears.
These are my last xRay.
https://vimeo.com/254638159
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Do you know if there is the option to remove the antenna after you finish lengthening? Or does it have to stay in until the whole rod is removed?
Thank you for sharing your experience.
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Yes, this week I am going to remove the antenna and the lower screws that fix the fibula to the tibiae in order to get more mobility in my ankle.
I will try to upload a video walking this after small surgery with the stitches.
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Yes, this week I am going to remove the antenna and the lower screws that fix the fibula to the tibiae in order to get more mobility in my ankle.
I will try to upload a video walking this after small surgery with the stitches.
Thanks for the answer, I hope the surgery goes well! Is there an additional cost for the antenna removal or is part of the main surgery cost?
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Dr Monegal quit me one of the antennae in my femur, in the surgery of the second femurs without any fee.
This time I prefer to quit the antennas left (1 in femur and 2 in tibias) besides two lower nails that join tibiae and fibula.
it was around 1200 euros, the higher item was operating theater, anesthetist and blood test and I prefer to stay one night at the hospital.
Other mate patients quit antenna with the nail at the same time and es the cheaper way because quit antenna he spends just 10 minutes.
I attached a video walking without shoes in order to see I don't have ballerina's feet, I walk a little worst than previous weeks because I had the stitches of the antennas, and it hurt.
https://vimeo.com/256024014
And in another video, you can see the old stitch of the antenna 1,5 year that is very complicated to find.
https://vimeo.com/256024547
I am very happy with my new height, but it is like a vicious, I would like to add 2,5 cms more in a future to my tibias. ;D ;D ;D ;D
I go on thinking that tibias are harder than femurs ankle and Achilles heel are very important in the stability, thus If you do too many cms your recovery will be worst.
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Dr Monegal quit me one of the antennae in my femur, in the surgery of the second femurs without any fee.
This time I prefer to quit the antennas left (1 in femur and 2 in tibias) besides two lower nails that join tibiae and fibula.
it was around 1200 euros, the higher item was operating theater, anesthetist and blood test and I prefer to stay one night at the hospital.
Other mate patients quit antenna with the nail at the same time and es the cheaper way because quit antenna he spends just 10 minutes.
I attached a video walking without shoes in order to see I don't have ballerina's feet, I walk a little worst than previous weeks because I had the stitches of the antennas, and it hurt.
https://vimeo.com/256024014
And in another video, you can see the old stitch of the antenna 1,5 year that is very complicated to find.
https://vimeo.com/256024547
I am very happy with my new height, but it is like a vicious, I would like to add 2,5 cms more in a future to my tibias. ;D ;D ;D ;D
I go on thinking that tibias are harder than femurs ankle and Achilles heel are very important in the stability, thus If you do too many cms your recovery will be worst.
Good work Yagen.
But you now have an excellent heigbt so stop thinking about doing 2.5cm more and all these bs.
LL is not a game, you should now continue your life and finish with it completely otherwise you may suffer from bdd as it is not normal for someone who is about 1.82 after 2 LLs thinking to break his bones for a rhird time for no reason!
Anyway I think that you'll act sensibly and enjoy your life without thinking about LL again.
Keep strong.
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Dr Monegal quit me one of the antennae in my femur, in the surgery of the second femurs without any fee.
This time I prefer to quit the antennas left (1 in femur and 2 in tibias) besides two lower nails that join tibiae and fibula.
it was around 1200 euros, the higher item was operating theater, anesthetist and blood test and I prefer to stay one night at the hospital.
Other mate patients quit antenna with the nail at the same time and es the cheaper way because quit antenna he spends just 10 minutes.
I attached a video walking without shoes in order to see I don't have ballerina's feet, I walk a little worst than previous weeks because I had the stitches of the antennas, and it hurt.
https://vimeo.com/256024014
And in another video, you can see the old stitch of the antenna 1,5 year that is very complicated to find.
https://vimeo.com/256024547
I am very happy with my new height, but it is like a vicious, I would like to add 2,5 cms more in a future to my tibias. ;D ;D ;D ;D
I go on thinking that tibias are harder than femurs ankle and Achilles heel are very important in the stability, thus If you do too many cms your recovery will be worst.
Good work Yagen.
But you now have an excellent heigbt so stop thinking about doing 2.5cm more and all these bs.
LL is not a game, you should now continue your life and finish with it completely otherwise you may suffer from bdd as it is not normal for someone who is about 1.82 after 2 LLs thinking to break his bones for a rhird time for no reason!
Anyway I think that you'll act sensibly and enjoy your life without thinking about LL again.
Keep strong.
This makes me think you suffer from BDD. How does your doctor accepts this. You're not in your mind.
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At this point, I think it's easier to do bilateral tibias than two stages with femurs. knee suffers less. I can handle by myself the third day between the bed and wheelchair and go to the bathroom.
I feel better right leg than the left one, but it is normal, I had more curly my left leg.
I took a stolen picture of the Dr. Monegal / Dr. Donghoon Lee / Frenchman Dr and a girl while they were taking a snack, and I was waiting for admission
(http://i66.tinypic.com/258qvyt.jpg)
This photo amuses me because I literally sat in that exact chair in the same lobby like three days ago.
I underwent my nail removal in Clinica Diagonal this week. Good luck to you.
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@ Bohemia
I am very glad for you.
Glenn, Krp1 and you were my inspiration to do LL, You do a great job telling your way through LL, I had a lot of doubts and It was easy to solve and share my thoughts with your post. I am very grateful
@Whimsical and @body boulder
Many thanks for your best wishes. I know now its time to enjoy the life, time to recover.
I just said that height is addictive, Doctor advised me not no do more than 4 cm for my proportion in tibiae, He is very conservative.
I attached new xray and evolutions of the scars (scar of the antenna two years after surgery over left leg and las scar of the antenna in right leg, surgery three weeks ago) and the evolution of the healing on the tibiae
(https://preview.ibb.co/kXuJ7c/IMG_20180226_231105.jpg)
(https://preview.ibb.co/fZzJ7c/IMG_20180226_231157.jpg)
(https://preview.ibb.co/fDEwtH/IMG_20180226_WA0005.jpg)
(https://preview.ibb.co/d4S5nc/zoom.png)
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the scars are good, easily to hide
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Hi mates,
After one year post surgery I am going to upload a video hiking in the mountains.
It is the BEST way to check the final goal
Yagen
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The video.
https://vimeo.com/289555615
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Dear yagen. Congratulation! Your X-ray looks as normal one who do not have surgery and you have great gain 10 cm and walk well. Could I ask your do you feel any pain of knee after removing the nail in femur?
Thank you. Best wish.
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If you lengthen at a slow rate (0.66 cm per day) it is almost impossible to have major bf before 5cm.
I never saw anyone to have bf at less that 5-5.5 that haven't completely gone away 2-3 months max after he stopped lengthening.
And from my personal experience, before 6cm my fb was minimum (less that 10 degrees for sure) but after that amount it became much worse, although I still believe that I could handle it without doind the crapy LL.
So Doomsday show respect to a veteran and don't say that I write bullcraps.
Bf strongly related to the amount you lengthen and the lengthening speed and no, at 3-4 cm is almost impossible to have bf unless you had equinus problems even before LL.
If you know anyone who had major bf at less than 5cm tell us who he was.
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Hello BB
I lengthened only 4 cms and I developed 2 cms bf. After lengthening i didn't have any bf . But when i did correction using hexbods which i did it faster than recommended I developed knee bending and bf . They are almost gone after 1 month and nothing helps other than weight bearing ( walking - standing ) . I was lengthening 1 mm per day which is fast and I regret this
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Hello Yagen, for the distance you say you have Barcelona and for the video that is uploaded from hiking that speak Spanish ...
I would dare to say that we can be neighbors!
If so, I would like to ask you some questions since I am looking at the same doctor.
A greeting.
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New video
https://vimeo.com/294115822
Arround the world
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Very nice Yag! Well done!
Travelllng arround the world after tibia and femur.
How many cm? How was your experience?
Stay cool!
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Around the world? Is it you? Let me question the authenticity of your video and your motives. Your xrays look bad man. Worse than Cooper. I hope you could get your misalignment fixed. Did you get fixed for free for promotion?
If you got fixed and you're the guy in the video nice but I'd like people to consider how Monegal patients have lied sistematically about their conditions. If the video is real think about other patients not doing fine like me. I can't even think of visiting neighbouring cities 2 years post op. I need a caretaker or PRM assistance.
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Only lie here is you. TroLL
Yet to proof anything and you carry on kidnapping genuine diaries.
Big LL specialist you should have a look at your Own fake x rays.
You have been banned in this account and several ones.
You are a poor soul but a funny Californian guy.
No patient of M knows about you and your imaginative caretaker 😂😂😂
Step out of other diaries
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I don't see anything wrong with Yagen's x-rays. I don't know where you see any misalignment.
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@LLuser/notatroll
Honestly, I do not like to comment on people, but you are mentally disturbed and not because you lie or not that I have not seen any video or radiography of yours, but because you are the only member of the forum who wants patients to go bad to justify his mania with Dr. Monegal.
You're right, the doctor Monegal pays me the trips, I love Nike shoes, so I send you the photos of my last trips.
After the Singapore video, I sent you another in Sri Lanka and some additional photos with my Nike shoes that you see in the videos.
"a voleur croit that tout le monde vole"
I also have videos with my Nike shoes in my new Tesla that Dr. Monegal has bought me. Do you want a video or photos?
The next trips paid by the doctor Monegal, NYC, Kuala Lumpur, Belin, Thailand, Cambodia or Petra. Are you excited about a photo on these sites? just asked me.
Your problem is "if the only tool you have is a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail"
There are things that money can not buy and it is integrity. I just tell my experience and I do not sell myself.
I could choose between Paley, Rouzbuch, Birkholtz or Monegal and I am happy with my choice for me, money was not a limiting option for me.
My best wishes,
Yagen
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Climbing 1200 steps in Sigiriya Fortress Rock.
https://vimeo.com/294303602
(http://i65.tinypic.com/10h22c5.jpg)
a very hard climbing just a year after surgery. Check it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rfh4nDJh5w
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I was going to say something about notatroll but i cant improve what yagen has said.
Enhorabuena por tu recuperación yagen.
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I havent read this diary entirely, but whats up with the right leg point outwards?
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Hahaha in your face!
Maybe the video was taken from rigth side and the perspective is not good.
Well Yagen should reply that. Unbelievable case 😂😂
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I havent read this diary entirely, but whats up with the right leg point outwards?
I think the right leg points outwards because the doctor created a misaligment. Many patients of him got that after LL, me included. I haven't asked my local trauma about that problem but this can't be good.
I don't see anything wrong with Yagen's x-rays. I don't know where you see any misalignment.
If you check Yagen's xrays from the side the nail isn't fully introduced in the tibia AND he has a procurvatum deformity. SAME as Cooper.
I attached new xray … and the evolution of the healing on the tibiae
(https://preview.ibb.co/fDEwtH/IMG_20180226_WA0005.jpg)
(https://preview.ibb.co/d4S5nc/zoom.png)
Sorry but the second xray looks horrible. I'm sure Dr Paley would be horrified if these xrays were shown to him. You can see the same procurvatum deformity Cooper said he had in his tibia.
Update:
I had very bad experience with Tibia lengthening. I made terrible mistake of doing tibia with Monegal. I probably went through worst ultimate nightmares. I usually write Dr. in front of him but he lost that honorary title long time ago.
Late last year I went to see Dr. Rozbruch in New York to check on tibia. Immediately after reading x-ray he pointed out 3 major issues. 1) Provactum tibia bone curving 2) Fibula migrated up. When the monegal fixate tibia and fib bones he somehow pushed the fibula up and fixate. The angulation is not correct this is major issue out of three 3) low callous and possible non-union 4) lost nerve on feet about 25% (not major but had to fix). Dr. R advised to fixed all three and his assistant wrote a note which I forwarded monegal right away. I asked precisely to Dr. R what can be done with him. The answer was reverse everything and put external fixator for tibia and small monorail for tibia and lengthen. I was devastated to hear that!
I emailed monegal and hoped he can correct the issue. But he denied any of that need fix.
By the way Yagen has cropped his xrays. I guess he was having fibula issues too (fibula migration, misalignment, non union). SAME as COOPER. In his last post Yagen mocks me but he is manipulating US all in his diary by cropping his xrays. Can you please Yagen upload the not-cropped xray so that we can see your fibula? If Yagen doesn't we can be sure he is having issues like Cooper.
I was going to say something about notatroll but i cant improve what yagen has said.
Enhorabuena por tu recuperación yagen.
I can understand Yagen defends his doctor but if you prefer trusting him over me after seeing the proofs you have issues.
MY CHALLENGE. Let's send Yagen's UNCROPPED xrays to Dr Paley and Dr Rozbruch and let's listen to their EXPERT opinions. I'm not a doctor, BIG LL specialist (Cinderella said), but I have seen many failed cases and I know what I'm talking about.
Also let me tell you Yagen that you're offending me. I don't know if your videos are real or MANIPULATED like your xrays but it's disrepectful showing off about travelling around the world when I'm telling you that some of us can't visit neighbouring states and probably disabled for life.
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In your Face funny troll.
You are not a patient and everyone knows.
You are not a LL doctor and everyone knows.
You are not even into medical environment because you would know about perspective.
Paley? Rozbruck?
You say the guy who left Baltimore and went to Florida?
The guy who operated the wrong leg or bone in 2 kids?
https://www.google.es/amp/www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-doctor-dror-paley-20160318-story,amp.html
No thanks. I stick to the plan and I carry on with my doctor.
X rays in private? As you sent MM from 2014?
You should post your own but you don’t because you aren’t a patient.
At least you have a friend!!
You can now sing together the Toy story theme!!
Congratulations troll and Clown
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In your Face funny troll.
You are not a patient and everyone knows.
You are not a LL doctor and everyone knows.
You are not even into medical environment because you would know about perspective.
Paley? Rozbruck?
You say the guy who left Baltimore and went to Florida?
The guy who operated the wrong leg or bone in 2 kids?
https://www.google.es/amp/www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-doctor-dror-paley-20160318-story,amp.html
No thanks. I stick to the plan and I carry on with my doctor.
X rays in private? As you sent MM from 2014?
You should post your own but you don’t because you aren’t a patient.
At least you have a friend!!
You can now sing together the Toy story theme!!
Congratulations troll and Clown
You don't like Paley. I get it. You always post the same link. Obsessive pattern here.
What about Rozbruch? My challenge, let's send Yagen's UNCROPPED xrays to Rozbruch to get an expert's opinion. I bet he will say SAME AS COOPER.
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You sound like a parrot repeating my words! Lovely bird
You sound like a broken record on your multiple accounts (5 banned already even this one)
Do your research... Rozbruck published this paper:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261836565_How_precise_is_the_PRECICE_compared_to_the_ISKD_in_intramedullary_limb_lengthening
You can see broken rod, failure in 22/26 implants used in that study...
And who’s doubting about him?
All doctors can have good and bad cases..
your aim here is clear. Obsessive? Me? My hip is fixed and I just defend the doctor that made my life better.
You are systematically kidnapping M’ patients diaries. You bring false testimonials.
Your aim? Don’t know... maybe you work for Nuvasive, or Paley...who knows..
It is very brave feo your side to bring in your obsessive hate. Anyway that’s Trolling.
That is just what you are TroLL
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Hey Hey 8)
Everyone can have more or less problem, The most important: What is end Result?
Yagen is one the best diary that i have ever seen so far. He is true legend, did both limps and He is doing very well and showed us lots of proof ( x rays, walking, stairs climbing etc)
i think People are not stupid and realized that this troll is spy of some Doctors who are jealous of Dr Monegal because of his quality, skill, method and 'one of best price( when compared what you have and got for this price )' in Europe and World.
and ME!! i am doing now very well and i saw lots of case who are well during my every 3 week visiting.
last thing, IF SOMEONE( IN FORUM) WANTS TO SEE ME HOW I AM , I INVITE THEM to COME BARCELONA, MEET WITH ME AND THEN I WANT THEM TO WRITE EVERYTHING AS IT SEEMS( HOW "AMERICANFOOTBALLER IS A BEAST") AND PEOPLE WILL REALIZE THAT THIS troll tries to MANIPULATE DR. MONEGAL permanently.
STAY STRONG!
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@notatroll / LLuser
You are right again. For that reason, I wear shorts around the world so that people are surprised by my misaligned legs.
you crack me up ;D ;D ;D ;D
You are the new LL doctor, please let us know where is your medical office and the fee for your expert consultation.
My best wishes
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Hey yagen.
Could you post a total body pic?
Also, congrts on the successful lengthening
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Well ami at least the videos and photos in which only your nike shoes do not help me ...
Quality videos like those that Sweden raised in their diary with a mask on their face have much more credibility than showing a photo with everything covered except the foot and a video going up stairs in which nothing is clear ...
I'm sorry but it's what I see without being on either side.
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You sound like a parrot repeating my words! Lovely bird
You sound like a broken record on your multiple accounts (5 banned already even this one)
Do your research... Rozbruck published this paper:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261836565_How_precise_is_the_PRECICE_compared_to_the_ISKD_in_intramedullary_limb_lengthening
You can see broken rod, failure in 22/26 implants used in that study...
And who’s doubting about him?
All doctors can have good and bad cases..
your aim here is clear. Obsessive? Me? My hip is fixed and I just defend the doctor that made my life better.
You are systematically kidnapping M’ patients diaries. You bring false testimonials.
Your aim? Don’t know... maybe you work for Nuvasive, or Paley...who knows..
It is very brave feo your side to bring in your obsessive hate. Anyway that’s Trolling.
That is just what you are TroLL
Hi Dr. Monegal,
a quick question:
do you have any plans to offer any other internal nail than the fitbone? Its very tempting to do surgery in europe but not with externals or fitbone.
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Hi Yagen,
I have viewed your diary as one of the best ones on the forums honestly. You have also painted a true non-sugarcoated picture of your experience. Thanks a lot! Congrats on your success!
I just wanted to genuinely ask about your tibia x-ray. It looks quite unusual with the nail protruding out. Are you sure that it is ok?
And to be fair, yes your right foot does look outward in your video (to me), but it could be the angle or just a random happening, I can't say.
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I beg you all to notice that I've asked for Yagen's uncropped xrays and he hasn't provided them. VERY SHADY. We all want to see the uncropped version. I guess he doesn't want to post them because he's having the same fibula issues than Cooper. He certainly has the tibia procurvatum deformity as per his posts. SAME AS COOPER. His nail is protruding OUT. I bet he has FIBULA issues. Fibula issues were the WORST problem for Cooper according to Dr Rozbruch and Dr Paley (migration, non union).
I beg you all to notice that Cinderella constantly calls me troll but my claims are serious from a medical perspective. It's her and Americanfootball who resort to insults and RIDICULOUS ad hominem attacks. Cinderella, Americanfootball and Yagen's posts are insulting to me. They don't refute my claims. They just mock me and accuse me of manipulating.
But who is the real manipulator? Guys, remember Musicmaker's case. She was fishing new patients for Monegal in the forum. She kept saying her surgeries were a success when she was probably the worst case in LL history. She was finally EXPOSED in the forum by other patients. Yagen's case is the same. The doctor has manipulated HIM to post only positive reviews. PERHAPS Yagen isn't to be trusted. Beware.
MY CHALLENGE: Yagen should post his uncropped xrays. We will send his xrays to Dr Paley, Dr Rozbruch or other surgeon we trust. That surgeon (NOT ME) will say if everything is fine. If he says OK I will leave Yagen's diary forever and apologize. If he says not OK Yagen will admit he's a manipulator working for Monegal's best interest.
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Only an idiot would trust the guy who created 5 accounts which were banned (including this one)
It is funny someone asked me if me and the troll are the same person 😂😂
It is funny a FAKE guy talks about real patients calling them a Fake
It is funny someone from Irvine (close to Nuvasive) talks about R and P (both) Precice users...even when they operate wrong legs in kids.
So I carry on laughing about this poor soul
Well done Yagen. You had a fantastic trip after femur and tibia lengthening.
Happy to see your life goes on after LL. Other people are obsessively stucked behind their keyboard attacking doctors and patients... this means they do not have anything to do in life.
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This is a very easy dispute to solve.
you always act attacking, remember "if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail."
I have no problems with you, Dr Paley, Dr Rozbruch or Dr Monegal or the world.
I have no problem in uploading the next x-rays with my evolution and the consolidation of my bones, I am very transparent.
I accept your challenge but as you say you are a patient of LL, you have to upload your x-rays first, because nobody has seen your x-rays.
It is very simple. Do you accept?
This week I will upload a barefoot video walking normally on a flat surface.
@ tibike200 I have sent you a picture by private to preserve my identity so you can check my proportions since you are an old member of the forum, in the photo I have arms outstretched so you can see my wingspan
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Why will Dr Rozbruch of Paley give free advice on yagen's x-rays? as if they are interested in this Monegal debate.
@notsotroll, you have said your share and this is not the place of discussing such things. Please create your own diary and post your x-rays if you want to tell about your experience. I get the feeling you are a Monegal patient who didn't have a good experience. So please share it separately (like cooper did). If you want to write on someone's diary, stay on point. Like you raised the issue about fibula and nail protruding out. That is fine. But don't accuse people of taking sides with the doctor, that is rude and wrong.
@yagen, most of us are just interested in LL regardless of doctor, etc. So please share whatever you can for the rest of us without paying attention to notsotroll.
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Dear Cool
He is obviously not a patient. He is creating false testimonial.
He accuses real patients of being fake and kidnaps every single M’patient diary.
Created 5 accounts Datum/realpatient/Datum/Notatroll... all banned including this one.
Then created a false testimonial calling himself a patient (never posted an X-ray)
Nobody knows him. Talks crap about musickmaker (who had a hard journey) but as far as I remember was walking unaided (some users did that) and maybe Yagen can confirm.
It is funny somebody told me we are the same person trying to put Monegal name in the net to create debate and positive impact.
I can talk about my hip issue been fixed and I can send you my X-rays to you so you can see who lies here. He is talking about sending other peoples X-rays to R and P. He already did that with MM 2014 X-rays when she had her accident. This is against law... but whatever is possible coming from a psycho mind.
By the way... Yagen is just a sample from a magnificent work. Stay cool
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Why would he keep bringing up the same thing over and over if not a patient? cooper left some real feedback about Monegal which is definitely real. Is he cooper? Or another patient?
Anyway he does ask two good questions to yagen which I also felt like asking (the nail protruding out and right foot twisted out). Many many other LLers have already written good diaries about Monegal anyway, I am not denying that (Krp1, Bohemia, Helloworld, Antonio and so on)
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Yes I also noticed that. I am a physiotherapist and this could either be the angle from which the video was taken or maybe torsional preop condition.
I had proximal femur epiphisolysis ay age 12 and this caused me several issues like limb discrepancy, malrotation, hip joint early arthritis and could not flex or rotate my hip more than 10-15 degrees. My walk was really bad. Now I am working, walking and bought a bicycle (something I could not do when I was a kid).
Why is he doing that? I cannot see a reason to create 5 accounts and stay arround during 3+ years 😂😂. Cooper? He was in Barcelona and never came back as far as other patients explained.. could be but I don’t think so.
Yes Coops could be not a good case (even if he left early) as other doctors have. In my experience and in most of M patients reports are really good and call them fake. But this guy is yet to post any x ray and nobody knows about him. I was recently visiting Barcelona. None of the patients there know him. There were 6-7 patients (some doing tibia after successful femur lengthening) and nobody ever met this false testimonial. It is a matter of trolling. But as long as time goes by, more and more patients will come out to defend his doctor. So his referral to a ‘not good case on a not good patient’ from 4 years ago will remain back in time.
Paley, Rozbruck, Guichet...it seems like all have had ‘not good cases’... but this is probably related to the procedure itself, implants or ‘not compliant patients’
I am lucky to be on the happy, thankful and healthy side. Do believe my issue was way more complicated than a cosmetic procedure. Stay cool
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Probably better Yagen to Answer:
Do you feel rigth food outwards?
Does the nail annoy you when climbing 1200 steps?
Why did you chose M for tibia after successful femur?
Do you know MM? Have you seen her walking unaided?
You have been a patient of M for probably 3-4 years.. do you know someone’s case close to Notatroll?
Does M pay you? Is he buying you a Tesla? 😂😂
From other LL patients you met at MIC...where they crying in the night as ‘he says’?
That could be interesting to hear
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oh well I don't know what to say.
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@cool Of course I’m a former patient. I won’t leave this forum until I get some sort of justice. Also people deserve the truth about this scam.
So yes, there is a bunch of us... sort of hanging around haunting these doctors because of the way they handled complications. And we won't stop until we're healed no matter how many years it takes.
I will leave Yagen's diary and apologize if a serious doctor says his xrays are fine. I'm accusing Yagen for a reason. I know Dr Monegal has manipulated many patients to post positive reviews and hide their complications. This case is SHADY. Moreover Yagen's mocking me once and again because he's nervous and knows I'm right about him having issues. He's not giving serious answers as he knows I'm right but he wants to protect that doctor for whatever reason.
@yagen I’m not asking for your new Xrays after fixing. You can post them too but I'm not asking for that now. I’m asking for the uncropped version or the X-rays you posted. Those cropped X-rays you posted show the same issues Cooper had in tibia and I guess you had the same serious problems in fibula and that’s why you cropped them. Stop twisting my words and post your uncropped X-rays if you have nothing to hide.
No more inconsiderate and irrelevant travelling showing off videos please.
@Cinderella Yagen said he NEVER stayed at mics. According to his diary he only met 3 or 4 random patients. And you Cinderella, you never were at mics EITHER. You say I’m a fake but I gave proofs in private to the admin of this forum to demonstrate I was real. You haven’t because you are Monegal himself or Monegal staff as everybody can see. For you it's not difficult to post xrays. As a doctor (staff) you have plenty of xrays of many patients. In my case xrays would expose my identity and I don't want to because that doctor is full of revenge. Unlike you I lived in MIC for a while. AND I SWEAR some strong guys were crying in their apartments and one of them, a friend of mine, killed himself.
Stay cool if you can.
P.s I'm leaving for work now. I'm semicrippled but I've many things to do in my life. Hard work, to recover from this financial mess..
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In my case xrays would expose my identity and I don't want to because that doctor is full of revenge.
Fair. But then it is impossible for anyone to trust you without any proof. I understand your predicament, but you must understand that without proof these discussions lead us nowhere.
Also why does bohemia say nice things about Monegal even after getting the nails removed? he even posts videos of himself talking. I doubt he even cares about privacy because he speaks in his videos.
And as for yagen's x-ray we have no doctor posting in the forum anymore and Paley and Rozbruch won't reply back even if you ask them. How do you suggest we decide whether yagen's x-rays are normal or not?
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Hahaha
My message was for Yagen...not for you TroLL.
Revenge? How could a person with over 220 surgeries even recognize yours? That is funny if a patient gets 4-5-6 x rays during process...how can someone recognize a single image.
And yes, Yagen has been in MIC. Not living there but visiting indeed.
I was in MIC 1 week before leaving to my hometown and nobody cried there 😂😂
But anyway let Yagen reply these questions.
In private? You can send other people x rays as you did with MM. I think your IP could be requested from the site if the owner of the images requested that after publishing her private medical information... so I would not do that again.
But leave Yagen diary and I will do the same. You had already 5 accounts banned and several diaries kidnapped. Other patients stopped posting because of you. You are not genuine and real patient. Stay cool. I am already cool and nice
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Seems like the troll is about to post... guess what he will say
I am so excited 😂😂 I hope he changes his speech slightly at least
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I gave Yagen some time. I guess he's not uploading his UNCROPPED xrays because he has fibula issues too. SAME AS COOPER. He sells his experience as the most fantastic one in the world but the procurvatum and the fibula issues are as BAD as Cooper's. PLEASE don't trust this user. He manipulates the xrays (crop) to hide Monegal's mistakes. SAME AS MUSICMAKER. Nobody should trust Monegal's diaries in this forum.
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not answering stupid words does not mean that they are true
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Why do you defend a person you don't know? Please check your inbox and don't be so naive.
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For my secret admirer,
Then you're not going to send my x-rays to doctors Paley and Rozbruch. I was very excited that they could see my x-rays for free, in a generous act on their part.
I did not know that Paley and Rozbruch made free consultations.
I do not understand why in more problematic cases you have not offered your medical consultation to other patients who have had surgery in India, Russia or London. These patients are going to feel jealous since you only have eyes for me.
I know that I am special for you and you treat me with care and tenderness. I want you to know that ours is impossible.
Anyway, this week I send you a present a video walking to see my desired legs that you admire so much.
Kisses,
Yagen
PS: Come, let's exchange photos of our x-rays, this relationship is very virtual. Why do not you accept the deal? Are yoy shy?
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Stop being such an ...hole. You think you're funny but you aren't. We are playing with people's health. I beg you to stop deluding people. We know you're lying and you're having tibia and fibula issues LIKE COOPER. That's why you cropped the xrays. I got the proofs so don't dare mocking me.
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based on your writing style and obsession imo there is
75% probability you are cooper
99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999% you are lluser (and multiple acc baned)
100% you are mentally unstable
what is your obsession with monegal? Did it cause you harm with malpractice ? If so and it's a big if, and you want to help people, be transparent and show evidence
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Yes he ruined my life. I sent you a PM with some evidence and I have more evidence. I'm not posting those pieces of evidence publicly because I don't want my ex doctor to know who I am. He's full of revenge. Also I think posting other people's xrays is illegal. I won't do anything that can go against me in a lawsuit.
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He farted again....ouch
It is evident you have issues. You are not a patient.
You already sent private medical info from patient MM.
Sending x rays does not proof anything at all.
Anyone checking your over 200 posts against the doctor could figure out the mental issues you have. Cooper surgery was 3 years ago. He was 12 days in Spain and never came back.
You can carry on...in year 2025 Cooper and Cooper and Cooper...
Kid napping diaries should be a reason for your 6th ban.
Using Unicorns diary should be reason for a permanent ban.
Lluser, not important, datum, Notatroll...the fart comes to scene again.
Angry boy. Enjoy California and move on in life.
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based on your writing style and obsession imo there is
75% probability you are cooper
99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999% you are lluser (and multiple acc baned)
100% you are mentally unstable
what is your obsession with monegal? Did it cause you harm with malpractice ? If so and it's a big if, and you want to help people, be transparent and show evidence
He has no evidence. He just sent private MM xrays when she broke her femur... happened yes! As it happened to Rozbruck, Paley, Guichet and all LL doctors.
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Guys I don't want topressure on Yagen but you should notice how he's manipulating you all to make you believe Monegal is good. Yagen doesn't post his uncropped xrays. He has severe issues in his tibia (procurvatum) and fibula (same as Cooper). Beware this diary is unrealiable and Monegal's technique isn't good. Send PM if you want to know more about this technique
(https://preview.ibb.co/fDEwtH/IMG_20180226_WA0005.jpg)
(https://preview.ibb.co/d4S5nc/zoom.png)
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Guys I don't want topressure on Yagen but you should notice how he's manipulating you all to make you believe Monegal is good. Yagen doesn't post his uncropped xrays. He has severe issues in his tibia (procurvatum) and fibula (same as Cooper). Beware this diary is unrealiable and Monegal's technique isn't good. Send PM if you want to know more about this technique
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It is very simple, your xray Vs my uncropped xray? deal or not deal?
I have nothing to hide
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It is very simple, your xray Vs my uncropped xray? deal or not deal?
I have nothing to hide
Why did you crop the xrays? You had fibula issues too same as Cooper. If not, post the uncropped xrays. I've reported you to admin. This is a serious matter. Take this seriously. Stop deluding people.
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notatroll does have some evidence. I don't know how he got access to them, maybe he was a patient or staff earlier. All this does look a bit fishy. Not sure why he doesn't want to reveal himself. But all this is definitely a bit concerning here.
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He will say the terrible doctor will take revenge on him hahaha
This is quite common in people with psychiatric issues.
Call the rituals...they go over and over again to the same argument.
In year 2028 he will carry on talking about Cooper who by the way was probably not the best patient, and went back home 12 days after surgery. Not the best case, but you cannot slander a doctor under 5-6 different accounts using same argument over and over again.
I had surgery in 2015...same as C. Lucky me! Miracle hands cured my longtime issue.
Does not bring evidence becaus he is trolling.
Irvine, California.... to close to Nuvasive co.
Yes fishy fishy 😂😂😂😂
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He will say the terrible doctor will take revenge on him hahaha
This is quite common in people with psychiatric issues.
Call the rituals...they go over and over again to the same argument.
In year 2028 he will carry on talking about Cooper who by the way was probably not the best patient, and went back home 12 days after surgery. Not the best case, but you cannot slander a doctor under 5-6 different accounts using same argument over and over again.
I had surgery in 2015...same as C. Lucky me! Miracle hands cured my longtime issue.
Does not bring evidence becaus he is trolling.
Irvine, California.... to close to Nuvasive co.
Yes fishy fishy 😂😂😂😂
That's EXACTLY what you do Monegal troll. You go over and over again to same arguments.
I've given evidence to people who matter, not for you Monegal troll. Go home please
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That's EXACTLY what you do Monegal troll. You go over and over again to same arguments.
I've given evidence to people who matter, not for you Monegal troll. Go home please
Why didnt you sue him? If he is such a terrible doctor. The logical explanation would be to sue him.
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Suing requires money and patience. And suing someone outside the country might be impossibly hard. Also there is privacy associated with this type of surgery which might stop you from suing.
Anyway this being yagen's diary, @yagen it would be great to simply post your uncropped x-ray because notatroll isn't someone who has contributed his experience on the forum anyway. Yours is one of the best documented diary and other prospective patients are inspired by your diary. We can't expect notsotroll to post his, he's not going to ;D
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Nothing is easy. But people cant just make false claims. Its b etter to save money and sue. And provide proof of the malpractice.
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I think Yagen would appreciate to put all this crap outside his diary.
That is what he has done systematically. Try to destroy ant Monegal patient diary.
Banned 5-6 time for trolling and then calls me troll hahaha
Anyone who check his post would realize he is a port obsessed troll.
He cannot sue because he must be a patient first.
He is jalous of Yagen 😂😂😂
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Yagen if you got nothing to hide than why not show the uncropped pictures and lay this issue to rest. Btw the videos didnt show anything of value. Monegal (cinderella) get lost...
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Yagen if you got nothing to hide than why not show the uncropped pictures and lay this issue to rest. Btw the videos didnt show anything of value. Monegal (cinderella) get lost...
Shadow91, notatroll is lluser, look his post history, his obsession is insane, i bet in 2030 he would be still around
i don't know if dr monegal is a good doctor, good person or not, like you i ask for proof, in my case to notatroll, regarding dr.m malpractice
PS: the videos add value for me, imo
por cierto me he leido todo el diario, muy buena info , gracias yagen
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Thanks Shadow91. I agree those videos aren't useful. They could be fake. Also some users noticed the foot points outwards. Monegal caused that. His xrays show misalignment and serious fibula and tibia issues. Send me PM if you want to know more.
@Jon Snow I have sent proofs to people who asked. f you don't know if Monegal is a good doctor or person, why do you defend him? I have given proofs in private. It's my duty to warn against him because
1. He destroyed many patients' lives
2. He is sending people here to scam you all.
I can prove both.
Yagen doesn't show his uncropped xrays and we know it's because he's lying to protect the doctor (same as MUSICMAKER).
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Suing requires money and patience. And suing someone outside the country might be impossibly hard. Also there is privacy associated with this type of surgery which might stop you from suing.
Anyway this being yagen's diary, @yagen it would be great to simply post your uncropped x-ray because notatroll isn't someone who has contributed his experience on the forum anyway. Yours is one of the best documented diary and other prospective patients are inspired by your diary. We can't expect notsotroll to post his, he's not going to ;D
Nothing is easy. But people cant just make false claims. Its b etter to save money and sue. And provide proof of the malpractice.
Cool you're a sensible guy. Those are the problems I'm having: privacy associated with this surgery, patients who don't want their identities to be exposed, people living in other countries, people who want to forget this nightmare. But I can assure you and I can prove in private I'm not making false claims. If possible I will sue of course. I'm getting advice to do it. I'm collecting evidence too to report this quack to the Spanish authorities. If you're one of his victims send me PM. I'd encourage Yagen and Musicmaker to sue. Especially Musicmaker worst case in LL history. They are Spanish. It would be easier for them.
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1. He destroyed many patients' lives
2. He is sending people here to scam you all.
I can prove both.
You sort of proved 1. but you did not prove 2.
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Dear LLuser/Notatroll
I send you a video of my legs, please send the video to Paley and Rozbruch and the people of Nuvasive co Now I understand why you could send my Xray to them.
I'm still waiting for you to post your xray.
Thank you very much for worrying about me, but I think you would help much more if your contacts were offered to the people who really need it in this forum. Because there are patients in this forum operated in other countries with problems and you have not been able to have good doctors like Paley and r. Rozbruch could advise them.
It is clear that this is a struggle between the sales representatives of Precise and Fitbone.
LLuser / Notatroll if you continue insisting on publishing in my thread without contributing any video or Xray, I will speak with the administrator to delete all your comments in my thread.
This is your last chance to publish your Xray.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cru7g6X8O8w&feature=youtu.be
Best regards,
Yagen
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Dear LLuser/Notatroll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cru7g6X8O8w&feature=youtu.be
wtf? the video just validates that spammer trolls argument?
the right leg looks like its "dragging" along and is bent outward as seen in previous video you posted, in which I asked the same question. It doesnt look normal at all...
I sure am not going to Dr. Monegal after seeing this
edit: I have watched this video atleast 30x times now, only one thing I can say: Monegal fked you up....
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Sure? ;D ;D ;D
https://youtu.be/QlV8Wly5-tE
I have nothing to hide
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Sure? ;D ;D ;D
https://youtu.be/QlV8Wly5-tE
I have nothing to hide
I think you are misunderstanding here.
I am not talking about bent in side view. (also your video shows left leg... its the right leg we are talking about.. left is fine.)
But from in front:
(https://i.snag.gy/gNGt0u.jpg)
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Other doctor that he controls my Evolution do not see xlegs.
Nobody has told me anything on the beach and usually wear shorts.
https://youtu.be/BAdNlOaaD8E
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Other doctor that he controls my Evolution do not see xlegs.
Nobody has told me anything on the beach and usually wear shorts.
https://youtu.be/BAdNlOaaD8E
I don't know if its just human nature to deny before the acceptance phase but in your last video you stand still. Leg looks ok. Just like at the end of the previous video, where you stand still.
But the fact its dragging along and is pointing outwards when you walk, is pretty obvious. Look, as I mentioned, maybe its your way of coping with this situation, or maybe Monegal is watching over you... I really don't know why you are pretending everything is normal.
I am gonna leave this thread for now. I hope you get it fixed, it may develop into something more sinister later in life.
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You sort of proved 1. but you did not prove 2.
I don't know if its just human nature to deny before the acceptance phase but in your last video you stand still. Leg looks ok. Just like at the end of the previous video, where you stand still.
But the fact its dragging along and is pointing outwards when you walk, is pretty obvious. Look, as I mentioned, maybe its your way of coping with this situation, or maybe Monegal is watching over you... I really don't know why you are pretending everything is normal.
I am gonna leave this thread for now. I hope you get it fixed, it may develop into something more sinister later in life.
As a patient myself I know for sure Monegal punishes patients who post negative reviews (also for small negative details). We have many examples. Read Crimsontide's diary for example. Also he has pushed many patients coming here to defend him. So yes this doctor threatens and pushes people to get what he wants.
In the case of Yagen I don’t know why he’s acting like this. Tiny may be right. He may be in the denial phase of coping with a difficult reality. He may be saying Monegal is fantastic because he can’t accept Monegal screwed him up.
BUT I suspect that he knows something isn’t right. Monegal isn’t a good surgeon and he makes the same mistakes once and again. I guess Yagen has issues with fibula (like Cooper). That’s why he cropped his xrays. BEWARE!
Remember in the past some Monegal patients lied because they developped Stockholm syndrome (MM, the worst case in CLL history) or because the doctor threatened them. Monegal’s diaries aren’t to be trusted.
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summarizing
A) My tibias are not yet fully consolidated
B) I have 4 rods in my legs, all the patients improve after removes rods.
C) the mechanics after lengthening 10 cm (6+4) changes.
For me and for my doctor who supervises me, I do not have Xlegs,( Genu Varus / Valgum) or ballerina's foot.
I only tell my experience from the beginning, I will continue uploading videos with my evolution and the xray of the whole process.
Neither I defend Dr. Monegal nor speak badly of other doctors nor do I get to say in other threads to say that this doctor is better or worse, because I do not know them.
If someone has to tell his experience he is free to open his own thread, but to say that I am not a real patient because Cooper did not see me and that I have a problem just to say bad things about Dr Monegal, proves that he is a person who has serious mental problems
At the moment the only one that provides evidence is me.
In December I will be in Berlin, if someone wants to meet with me to send me a private one, it is the easiest way for someone to see my way of walking and remove the discussion in a frame of the second ... I have seen .. ...bla bla bla....
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summarizing
A) My tibias are not yet fully consolidated
B) I have 4 rods in my legs, all the patients improve after removes rods.
C) the mechanics after lengthening 10 cm (6+4) changes.
For me and for my doctor who supervises me, I do not have Xlegs,( Genu Varus / Valgum) or ballerina's foot.
I only tell my experience from the beginning, I will continue uploading videos with my evolution and the xray of the whole process.
Neither I defend Dr. Monegal nor speak badly of other doctors nor do I get to say in other threads to say that this doctor is better or worse, because I do not know them.
If someone has to tell his experience he is free to open his own thread, but to say that I am not a real patient because Cooper did not see me and that I have a problem just to say bad things about Dr Monegal, proves that he is a person who has serious mental problems
At the moment the only one that provides evidence is me.
In December I will be in Berlin, if someone wants to meet with me to send me a private one, it is the easiest way for someone to see my way of walking and remove the discussion in a frame of the second ... I have seen .. ...bla bla bla....
Admit you have been exposed as a liar and Monegal promoter same as Musicmaker. Many people have noticed here that you have issues. If you don't accept it it's your problem.
We want the UNCROPPED version of your xrays. You have tibia issues and I presume you have fibula issues same as Cooper. You don't want to post the xrays because you know I'm right.
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The guy with mental issues just threw his crap again.
Oh noooooo! You also kidnapped Americanfootballer diary!
Anyone reading your posts knows you are a sick mind.
Well done Yagen. You completed 4 segment lengthening and you feel happy and healthy.
I am a physiotherapist and I would say that someone able to climb 1200 steps has achieved full function.
Looking at your legs I cannot see any genu valgus deformity. It can be that maybe your right leg feels more comfortable with a slight external rotation. This could be form your preop walk or tension in your fascia latta. Do you feel any tightness?
I don’t know if we met when I was visiting Barcelona. But you had a great recovery! Cheers
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Before your next crap sees the light people must know what you were doing just before:
1- kidnap Americanfootballer diary
2- reading Helloworld diary
And now your next crap.
Sick mind obsessed with Monegal 😂😂😂😂
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Look Cinderella Monegal spy. I doubt you are a PT. Justice and OhSoArrogant said you were the fake PT but the fake PT was illiterate and could barely speak English. My guess, you're Monegal or Musicmaker. You always commit an English mistake that only Dr Monegal used to commit (and Musicmaker in one post). Get lost.
The guy with mental issues just threw his crap again.
Oh noooooo! You also kidnapped Americanfootballer diary!
Anyone reading your posts knows you are a sick mind.
Well done Yagen. You completed 4 segment lengthening and you feel happy and healthy.
I am a physiotherapist and I would say that someone able to climb 1200 steps has achieved full function.
Looking at your legs I cannot see any genu valgus deformity. It can be that maybe your right leg feels more comfortable with a slight external rotation. This could be form your preop walk or tension in your fascia latta. Do you feel any tightness?
I don’t know if we met when I was visiting Barcelona. But you had a great recovery! Cheers
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Another of your 5 alias? The arrogant 💩
Come on dear. Maybe Spanish people have same language mistakes, Nepal people same mental issues, and all your alias same psycho pattern.
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I beg you all to notice Yagen hasn't posted his uncropped xrays, and he hasn't because he knows I'm right. He has many issues in his tibia and in the fibula part we don't see because he cropped the xrays. Same issues than COOPER.
@Cinderella You claim I'm the alias of some people I don't even know. Before you say I'm a parrot check your own posts Monegal parrot
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Let me put it this way. Being me and Yagen genuine patients and you a Troll who has already used 5-6 accounts over the last 3 years, I do not thing that sending private picture of a disgraced case of 4 years ago gives you any credibility.
With that being said... you call me parrot? Who do you think you are? The Marquis pf Chantilly?
Anyone who dares chickening your/Lluser/datum...’ posts would realize how sick is your mind.
I would suggest to the mods to delete this stupid discussion out of patients diaries. Makes no sense to have this sick mind arround any longer.
Sorry Yagen
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BEWARE. Yagen hasn't posted his uncropped xrays. He has issues in his tibia and in the fibula part we don't see because he cropped his xrays. Same issues than COOPER. He doesn't post them because he manipulated the xrays (crop) and doesn't want us to see Monegal's disaster. He's a liar and a promoter of Monegal. I'm not a troll and I can prove mods I'm telling the truth. Yagen has no credibility. He has been exposed like other patients of Monegal (Musicmaker)Mods should ban Yagen because he's lying and misleading forum people to become customers of Moneygal. There's a pattern here Monegal patients lie. Don't trust what you read in Monegal's diaries. Send PM if you want to know more.
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What a paranoid. 😂😂😂
The man with multiple banned account/personality just dropped his Sh... again
Broken record 😂😂 TroLL aka lluser1
Well done Yag. People with Nepal syndrome just cannot bear you did 4 segment surgery and you are happily traveling arround the world... climbing mountains or 1200 steps.
Whatever....
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Best joke ever guys!
The guy with 6 previous multiple banned accounts, trolling arround for 3 years (check his over 200 obsessive posts) asking a genuine patient with a 13 page diary to be banned 😂😂😂
Man you rocked it 😂😂😂
Must be the best solo humorist Ever
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What a paranoid. 😂😂😂
The man with multiple banned account/personality just dropped his Sh... again
Broken record 😂😂 TroLL aka lluser1
Well done Yag. People with Nepal syndrome just cannot bear you did 4 segment surgery and you are happily traveling arround the world... climbing mountains or 1200 steps.
Whatever....
If Yagen travels I don't care but it's impolite to show off in forum (video-bragging, mocking) when a fellow LLers is having knee issues and can't go out far from home. Lack of sympathy.
Around the world? Is it you? Let me question the authenticity of your video and your motives. Your xrays look bad man. Worse than Cooper. I hope you could get your misalignment fixed. Did you get fixed for free for promotion?
If you got fixed and you're the guy in the video nice but I'd like people to consider how Monegal patients have lied sistematically about their conditions. If the video is real think about other patients not doing fine like me. I can't even think of visiting neighbouring cities 2 years post op. I need a caretaker or PRM assistance.
You're right, the doctor Monegal pays me the trips, I love Nike shoes, so I send you the photos of my last trips.
After the Singapore video, I sent you another in Sri Lanka and some additional photos with my Nike shoes that you see in the videos.
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I also have videos with my Nike shoes in my new Tesla that Dr. Monegal has bought me. Do you want a video or photos?
The next trips paid by the doctor Monegal, NYC, Kuala Lumpur, Belin, Thailand, Cambodia or Petra. Are you excited about a photo on these sites? just asked me.
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There are things that money can not buy and it is integrity. I just tell my experience and I do not sell myself. WHY DO YOU CROP THE XRAYS TO HIDE MONEGAL'S MISTAKES? AND THEN CALL ME A LIAR WHEN YOU KNOW I'M RIGHT
Best joke ever guys!
The guy with 6 previous multiple banned accounts, trolling arround for 3 years (check his over 200 obsessive posts) asking a genuine patient with a 13 page diary to be banned 😂😂😂
Man you rocked it 😂😂😂
Must be the best solo humorist Ever
Not joking. Maybe not banned but mods should warn him and indicate everybody this diary is MANIPULATED AND NOT RELIABLE. He cropped his xrays to hide Monegal's mistakes. When confronted he mocked me but I'm right. I already proved to mods I was a real patient. Now Yagen has to post his uncropped xrays to prove everything is fine. If he doesnt (and he won't because he can't) mods should warn him and indicate this diary is UNRELIABLE.
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I managed to take a peek at what is supposedly his full xray and there are some fibula issues. I do not know why it was cropped. Just weighing in.
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actually the fibula issue that notatroll mentions is present in one Paley patient also. Maybe it is not that big a deal. why not just share the x-rays to clear the air?
If Yagen travels I don't care but it's impolite to show off in forum (video-bragging, mocking) when a fellow LLers is having knee issues and can't go out far from home. Lack of sympathy.
So he should not travel and make videos because other peopel have problems? stay on the point please. why should he hide his progress videos jsut because other people have it bad?
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actually the fibula issue that notatroll mentions is present in one Paley patient also. Maybe it is not that big a deal. why not just share the x-rays to clear the air?
So he should not travel and make videos because other peopel have problems? stay on the point please. why should he hide his progress videos jsut because other people have it bad?
Hi hotty. If you send Yagen's xrays to dr Paley he will say Yagen has fibula issues but also the nail is protroding out causing procurvatum misalignment in tibia. You can see that big mistake in the xrays Yagen himself posted here. Same as Cooper. Typical Monegal disaster. Tibia patients also get nerve damage as an extra gift.
If the videos are real and NOT MANIPULATED I have no problem in Yagen uploading videos. But when I mentioned I can't travel unassisted he didn't sympathize with me. He mocked me and bragged about his travels and said he would post videos of many countries. UTTERLY DISRESPECTFUL.
Yagen we don't want (MANIPULATED) videos. We want your uncropped xrays. Please clear the air. If you also want to post videos it's OK if (and only if) they aren't manipulated like your xrays.
People like me have no money and health after butcher's surgery and we can't stand how other people become Monegal's preys thanks to the manipulation accomplished by weak patients like Yagen and worst of all Musicmaker.
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Seems like he ran out of medicines again.
What a psycho case...just check his posts.
It is fair that people can figure out their own opinion.
Only manipulation here is the Nepali syndrome guy 😂😂
Facts:
1 diary kidnapping
2 multiple account ban
3 false testimonial of being a patient
4 linking other people private medical information
5 giving medical advice when not being medically trained
And he accuses a True Patient of manipulating and misleading.
That is the best joke ever.
No doctor is free of ‘not so good cases’ and obviously your referrals are cases from 2015 being you or your friend Cooper a ‘non compliant’ patient that left Barcelona 12 days after surgery and never came back.
But carry on with your jokes and attack’s towards Yagen. People have 2 options here:
A) read and trust Yagen
B) read your 200 posts and multiple accounts (Detum, Lluser1..)
People with a slight intelectual coefficient will probably figure out where manipulation comes from and probably will take A as a choice.
But man the joke is great! Well done TroLL. We really appreciate your effort to make our lifes more funny!
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These diary has become toxic
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These diary has become toxic
That is his aim with any M patient diary. He monitorizes all of them since December 2015
😂😂
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@Cinderella toxic also because of you, Monegal alias, staff, minion, troll or whatever. I wouldn't exist if it wasn't because of you and Monegal's army of trolls always ready to lie and promote their almighty leader. If people posted the truth (as with other doctors) I would have never come here.
I only want to expose Yagen (he manipulated xrays). I want people to know the truth,. If he clears the air with an uncropped version of his xrays and he has no issues I will leave him alone. Something tells me this won't happen.
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😂😂😂 whatever
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Hey you little boy!
@Troll:
I’m not a part or Crew
Of anyone. If there is Leader , That ls
the Leader: I am!, one of the best Diary in forum and who are you !. You don’t have balls to open your own thread and write there own diary ..you lost your mind. I don’t really understand. Yagen have been shared millions of good things that are so useful infos for people. You have obsession, tell your American Boss, they don’t have enough Power to manipulate Dr Monegal because He is really doing very good job in Europe. People can come Barcelona and see reality.
Tl
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Yagen... please reply... we are waiting for you.
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Hey you little boy!
@Troll:
I’m not a part or Crew
Of anyone. If there is Leader , That ls
the Leader: I am!, one of the best Diary in forum and who are you !. You don’t have balls to open your own thread and write there own diary ..you lost your mind. I don’t really understand. Yagen have been shared millions of good things that are so useful infos for people. You have obsession, tell your American Boss, they don’t have enough Power to manipulate Dr Monegal because He is really doing very good job in Europe. People can come Barcelona and see reality.
Tl
WTF?? You a Leader? You're a minion manipulated by Monegal and post here like every current patient does to promote him. SAME as Musicmaker, Helloworld and Auron.
Please inform yourself better before writing. I have balls and I have opened many threads. I have my own diary in this forum
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5465.msg85675#msg85675
I haven't posted xrays. I want to protect myself from this vindictive doctor. But at least I don't manipulate like Yagen. Yagen has posted many xrays and videos but he is UNRELIABLE. Yagen says everything is perfect, but he isn't telling the truth. He cropped his xrays to hide Monegal's mistakes. Same case as MUSICMAKER. I don't blame them. The doctor manipulated and threatened them.
By the way you and Cinderella sound childish in your arguments. How old are you?
Yagen... please reply... we are waiting for you.
Yes we're waiting... still.
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WTF?? You a Leader? You're a minion manipulated by Monegal and post here like every current patient does to promote him. SAME as Musicmaker, Helloworld and Auron.
Please inform yourself better before writing. I have balls and I have opened many threads. I have my own diary in this forum
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5465.msg85675#msg85675
I haven't posted xrays. I want to protect myself from this vindictive doctor. But at least I don't manipulate like Yagen. Yagen has posted many xrays and videos but he is UNRELIABLE. Yagen says everything is perfect, but he isn't telling the truth. He cropped his xrays to hide Monegal's mistakes. Same case as MUSICMAKER. I don't blame them. The doctor manipulated and threatened them.
By the way you and Cinderella sound childish in your arguments. How old are you?
Yes we're waiting... still.
I have been quiet on this topic, but LLuser is right in some regards. Monegal's patients are either paid to advertise or manipulated by the physician. One should not crop out x rays and there have been other things going on with this doctor and I believe he has even posted on this forum. Which well reputable doctor would take time out of their lives to promote himself on a cLL forum lol. I advise everyone to be careful choosing him as a prospective physician for cLL. I am sure he has had some good pts as well who have recovered but a lot of his pts have hid their side effects and negative outcomes. Even the ones who have very bad outcomes such as music maker, promote Monegal on here
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agreed. it is a bit mischievous how an army of people come to defend the doctor each time. And even how multiple people who had consultations with him reported how tall the doctor was (probably because his height was brought up after a Fitbone video of him and other doctors was released and he seemed relatively on the shorter side..
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i defend anyone, im not a defence player ;), i respond to a someone who discredit my Doctor. if you read my diary, you will see it, i recommended that you make an appointment with your Doctor before your decision; dont believe what you see or hear here , because you see just simply words of this notatroll who are banned 5-6 times.IT must not be one-sided
altough i read all of bad claims, i made an appointment and talked every details, Conclusion? I'm doing well, look at my diary! of course I haven't been already finished it, but i believe everything will be ok in the end!
im not saying Dr Monegal is perfect but He has enough experience to make you well, He is Fitbone instructor, skilled surgeon and what i saw that he still improves himself with new lecture or conference, license etc.
of course it doesn't not mean everything will be perfect. Everybody can have problem some or less, but
He is not a butcher or bad person what Troll mentioned about.
Success depends on lots of Factor. L.L needs really some kind of Luck. Of course your Doctor must organise , do everything well to minimize risk. This operation is to take Risk, if you dont want to take risk, spend your life like now. sorry but to be honest i m a bit vindictive and arrogant person and if something happens to me, i kill him before you!
@hotty i watched fitbone videos, you caught good point, he seemed there shorter. i think the other doctors are about 6.2(1.85) because My height is almost the same like his height. We compared it. He is not certainly under 1.80.
STAY STRONG!
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It's not one sided. But why yagen is not proving it bybshowi g his x-rays? Why don't you ask him? Also share your videos and x-rays as well. Why to keep this suspense when everything can be decided here by proof.
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It's not one sided. But why yagen is not proving it bybshowi g his x-rays? Why don't you ask him? Also share your videos and x-rays as well. Why to keep this suspense when everything can be decided here by proof.
Yagen can't post his uncroped xrays because they would show in tibia and fibula same issues tan Cooper. Worse, they would show he purposedly cropped them out to hide Monegal's mistakes. We can consider Yagen has been EXPOSED. Like Musicmaker in 2015.
agreed. it is a bit mischievous how an army of people come to defend the doctor each time. And even how multiple people who had consultations with him reported how tall the doctor was (probably because his height was brought up after a Fitbone video of him and other doctors was released and he seemed relatively on the shorter side..
He isn't short. He is around 180 but he's wide so he doesn't look tall.
@Americanfootball You're coming accross as a terrible person. You have said (your words),
sorry but to be honest i m a bit vindictive and arrogant person and if something happens to me, i kill him before you!
YOUR OWN WORDS. You're saying that you're VINDICTIVE AND ARROGANT. You're saying that you would KILL Monegal if you had any problems.
And you can't stand me complaining in a forum? My only purpose is people to know the truth. Promoters MUST be exposed. That's my aim. I don't aim at killing anybody. What a lack of sympathy you have for your fellow LLers! So you would kill Monegal if you had problems but you don't allow other people to explain their views when they have lost all their fortunes, their health and many years of their lives and the lives of their dearest ones... Sincerely, you deserve the same fate than me, Cooper, Musicmaker and many others.. You would see Monegal's hidden face, and then you would understand my anger and sadness.
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i defend anyone, im not a defence player ;), i respond to a someone who discredit my Doctor. if you read my diary, you will see it, i recommended that you make an appointment with your Doctor before your decision; dont believe what you see or hear here , because you see just simply words of this notatroll who are banned 5-6 times.IT must not be one-sided
altough i read all of bad claims, i made an appointment and talked every details, Conclusion? I'm doing well, look at my diary! of course I haven't been already finished it, but i believe everything will be ok in the end!
im not saying Dr Monegal is perfect but He has enough experience to make you well, He is Fitbone instructor, skilled surgeon and what i saw that he still improves himself with new lecture or conference, license etc.
of course it doesn't not mean everything will be perfect. Everybody can have problem some or less, but
He is not a butcher or bad person what Troll mentioned about.
Success depends on lots of Factor. L.L needs really some kind of Luck. Of course your Doctor must organise , do everything well to minimize risk. This operation is to take Risk, if you dont want to take risk, spend your life like now. sorry but to be honest i m a bit vindictive and arrogant person and if something happens to me, i kill him before you!
@hotty i watched fitbone videos, you caught good point, he seemed there shorter. i think the other doctors are about 6.2(1.85) because My height is almost the same like his height. We compared it. He is not certainly under 1.80.
STAY STRONG!
lol when will monegal patients (pts) stop promoting? does he give a discount for promoting him on here or something?
I am just stating facts here. Prospective Pts should stay away from monegal because past pts HIDE their negative side effects and promote him on here like hes some God. You are supporting a diary in which the pt cropped out xrays to hide the negative surgical outcome because of Monegal???
You guys might be mentally unstable and Monegal is taking advantage of it by manipulating you or hes paying you. Every pt must be truthful on here or it makes them, their diaries, and Monegal unreliable.
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Easy guys...easy
Obviously none of them is mentally stable.
Totally agree. Specially the obsessed guy.
Who the hell is going to kill anyone here?
This is supposed to be a diary... once again kidnapped and destroyed
Well done guys
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Yagen can't post his uncroped xrays because they would show in tibia and fibula same issues tan Cooper. Worse, they would show he purposedly cropped them out to hide Monegal's mistakes. We can consider Yagen has been EXPOSED. Like Musicmaker in 2015.
He isn't short. He is around 180 but he's wide so he doesn't look tall.
@Americanfootball You're coming accross as a terrible person. You have said (your words),
YOUR OWN WORDS. You're saying that you're VINDICTIVE AND ARROGANT. You're saying that you would KILL Monegal if you had any problems.
And you can't stand me complaining in a forum? My only purpose is people to know the truth. Promoters MUST be exposed. That's my aim. I don't aim at killing anybody. What a lack of sympathy you have for your fellow LLers! So you would kill Monegal if you had problems but you don't allow other people to explain their views when they have lost all their fortunes, their health and many years of their lives and the lives of their dearest ones... Sincerely, you deserve the same fate than me, Cooper, Musicmaker and many others.. You would see Monegal's hidden face, and then you would understand my anger and sadness.
Hey Guys
Do you realize now how this notatroll is sick minded and mislead people with false alarm!!
That is a humuor! before everbody who are not patient of him judge him, I judge him whether he is good or not and inform the people. Why I kill my Doctor?
But you are such a sick minded, brainless, obsessive person that you don’t realize What kind of joke is that!
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yes im arrogant that means I don’t defend anyone! I don’t promote anyone.I don’t care what other people does. I just care myself and inform people about everything.
Yes I’m vindictive that means if My Doctor was Bad person, I would explain his mistakes
If you read my diary , I explained some minor problems like knee extension etc.
Sorry Cinderalla I don’t want to kidnap this diary , most of them have mental problem.
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@americanfootball You say the same than Yagen and other patients
There are things that money can not buy and it is integrity. I just tell my experience and I do not sell myself.
Integrity? He hid his complications and manipulated his xrays to promote Monegal. What kind of integrity is that?
Many Monegal past patients have done the same (lying, manipulating, promoting). I don't know if you are one of them but there have been plenty in this forum. People are right to question Monegal's integrity and his patients' behavior.
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lol when will monegal patients (pts) stop promoting? does he give a discount for promoting him on here or something?
I am just stating facts here. Prospective Pts should stay away from monegal because past pts HIDE their negative side effects and promote him on here like hes some God. You are supporting a diary in which the pt cropped out xrays to hide the negative surgical outcome because of Monegal???
You guys might be mentally unstable and Monegal is taking advantage of it by manipulating you or hes paying you. Every pt must be truthful on here or it makes them, their diaries, and Monegal unreliable.
Thanks Mirin. You're right. Monegal is a predator of mentally weak or emotionally wounded people. He is a malignant narcissist. He has a BIG EGO and manipulates people to suit his own needs, patients in this case. These people are his 'flying monkeys' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_monkeys_(psychology) )and their task is to recruit people into Monegal's 'religion'
Imagine you are in a foreign country, this guy breaks your legs and you develop horrible complications. Some people will fight against the butcher like me but other people will develop Stockholm syndrome in this situation. They're trauma bonded. I'm really sorry about them. That's MM. Other patients defend Monegal for materialistic reasons. I don't pity them.
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lol when will monegal patients (pts) stop promoting? does he give a discount for promoting him on here or something?
I am just stating facts here. Prospective Pts should stay away from monegal because past pts HIDE their negative side effects and promote him on here like hes some God. You are supporting a diary in which the pt cropped out xrays to hide the negative surgical outcome because of Monegal???
You guys might be mentally unstable and Monegal is taking advantage of it by manipulating you or hes paying you. Every pt must be truthful on here or it makes them, their diaries, and Monegal unreliable.
Lol
If you read it carefully and without blinkers this thread and my diary , you will understand what I mean. I mentioned about my experience shortly, I didn’t defend and support his x Ray etc this is not my case and I don’t know what Is Yagen doing but He seems good in videos. In conclusion the most important is to recover well. I respond you here because of attacking my Doctor WITHOUT LISTENING HIM.
That s why I say again, don’t believe %100 what people say here,make an always an appointment no matter Which doctor you choose,Monegal,Betz, Guichet, Paley or
Others.
Does generally speaking mean„promoting“?
Read it again without your blinker.
He doesn’t need really promoting
And has now lots of patients in Mic.
We discuss in vain.
Anyway ,i share my X rays I share my experiences, my recommendations , complications etc on my thread. If you have any questions,i invite people there !
STAY STRONG!
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yes im arrogant that means I don’t defend anyone! I don’t promote anyone.I don’t care what other people does. I just care myself and inform people about everything.
Yes I’m vindictive that means if My Doctor was Bad person, I would explain his mistakes
If you read my diary , I explained some minor problems like knee extension etc.
Sorry Cinderalla I don’t want to kidnap this diary , most of them have mental problem.
Well yes, we all know the kind of mental issues this guy has. Already banned in 5 diferent accounts and checking his posts you will figured out that kind of disorder he has.
It is ok to defend your doctor, I also defend him because he fixed my issue which was way more tricky than CLL. The thing is: being you and I real patients we know that what this guy is doing is trolling and he has done it under many Alias. He is kidnapping and telling off people like you, me or Yag who are real....
Reading his opinion about the leader, the guy threatens and all this... just shows he has never met Dr in person and he is not a patient. That is why he does not post own medical info and refers to cases of ‘non compliant’ patient or people who had a ‘ not ideal journey’
The point is to keep the forms and defend your point/Dr in a polite manner. If I was him and ever read you saying “if it goes wrong I would kill him” he would probably refuse to do your second leg. So keep it down my friend. We all see you are happy with him and your doctor. We all see the kind of obsession this troll guy has. We all know Yag or your opinion stays above mirin’s because he/she is not a patient. But man, keep it cool and in a polite manner.
Be strong and keep it going
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Well yes, we all know the kind of mental issues this guy has. Already banned in 5 diferent accounts and checking his posts you will figured out that kind of disorder he has.
It is ok to defend your doctor, I also defend him because he fixed my issue which was way more tricky than CLL. The thing is: being you and I real patients we know that what this guy is doing is trolling and he has done it under many Alias. He is kidnapping and telling off people like you, me or Yag who are real....
Reading his opinion about the leader, the guy threatens and all this... just shows he has never met Dr in person and he is not a patient. That is why he does not post own medical info and refers to cases of ‘non compliant’ patient or people who had a ‘ not ideal journey’
The point is to keep the forms and defend your point/Dr in a polite manner. If I was him and ever read you saying “if it goes wrong I would kill him” he would probably refuse to do your second leg. So keep it down my friend. We all see you are happy with him and your doctor. We all see the kind of obsession this troll guy has. We all know Yag or your opinion stays above mirin’s because he/she is not a patient. But man, keep it cool and in a polite manner.
Be strong and keep it going
If it goes wrong, I would kill him before you!!!
Are you another troll !
Cindirella, you don’t need give a explanation to this sentence!!!
And do I have to ask you which in Manner should I talk?
I EXPLAINED IT!!!!!!!!!
Lots of people try to ruining Monegal reputation with false claims( that is for me „Killing‘)
That s why I have more right talk about him. This Sentence in Our Culture is normal.
Killing it means CALL SOMEONE TO ACCOUNT! before the people who are not of his patient!
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Understood my friend. I am also his patient and we all know this slandering has gone way too far.
Keep it going and have a safe journey. Say hi to your fellow LL when you go to Barcelona.
Keep it strong
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Keep on fighting, Monegal minions…
BUT let's not miss the point.
I beg the rest of you to notice Yagen hasn't posted his uncropped xrays YET. He won't. He has the same or WORSE issues than COOper. He has been DEFINITELY EXPOSED as a manipulator and a Monegal promoter. Truth eventually comes out. No matter what Monegal's army of trolls argue.
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If it goes wrong, I would kill him before you!!!
Are you another troll !
Cindirella, you don’t need give a explanation to this sentence!!!
And do I have to ask you which in Manner should I talk?
I EXPLAINED IT!!!!!!!!!
Lots of people try to ruining Monegal reputation with false claims( that is for me „Killing‘)
That s why I have more right talk about him. This Sentence in Our Culture is normal.
Killing it means CALL SOMEONE TO ACCOUNT! before the people who are not of his patient!
Why are you getting so mad and emotional? Why are you getting so heated trying to protect a doctor's reputation who has had botched cases such as musicmaker, cooper, etc?
Yagen wont even post his full un-cropped xray. When Lluser tries to ask why he wont post his full xray, all of you monegal promoters come attack Lluser when hes making a valid point.
I have read a lot of Monegal diaries and have come to the conclusion that Monegal is not a good physician and some of his pts seem to heavily promote him on here and hide complications. I have no biases, I just try to protect prospective patients on here and try to bring down their risks because I know this surgery is risky and complications can arise so it is important for patients to be honest in their diaries and not protect their physicians.
Why are you getting so upset if people are trying to raise awareness on this issue so that future patients can have surgery with a better doctor such as Paley, Rozbruch, Mahboubian, Birkholtz, Parihar, Giotikas?
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in fact I think Monegal has had good outcomes in many patients, but what is most worrying is how there are patients dedicated to want to defend him. it just feels weird.
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We are not minions. I am just a thankful patient that cannot understand this permanent attack.
And indeed he has plenty of good outcomes and also these 2 haters That have been arround for almost 3 years under multiple accounts.
Weird? It is weird that someone creates 5-6-7 accounts and daily attacks the Dr with more successful diaries here, kidnaps them and Crete’s drama.
Weird? A guy at 179 aiming to reach 182.5.
Promoting? Not sure if you have met them...but having “your” top doctors under your profile and not being a patient that ontly makes me think..
I don’t think you need LL.
Anyway, you can carry on attacking Yagen, the doctors or other patients. The most funny of all this story is you calling me a ‘minion’. I wish any of your children never have to go throught the issue I had. And if they did, I wish you could fined someone who could fix it as M did. Call it promotion, is fine. I call it being thankful.
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We are not minions. I am just a thankful patient that cannot understand this permanent attack.
And indeed he has plenty of good outcomes and also these 2 haters That have been arround for almost 3 years under multiple accounts.
Weird? It is weird that someone creates 5-6-7 accounts and daily attacks the Dr with more successful diaries here, kidnaps them and Crete’s drama.
Weird? A guy at 179 aiming to reach 182.5.
Promoting? Not sure if you have met them...but having “your” top doctors under your profile and not being a patient that ontly makes me think..
I don’t think you need LL.
Anyway, you can carry on attacking Yagen, the doctors or other patients. The most funny of all this story is you calling me a ‘minion’. I wish any of your children never have to go throught the issue I had. And if they did, I wish you could fined someone who could fix it as M did. Call it promotion, is fine. I call it being thankful.
I never called you a "minion"
I also said Monegal has had some good results but bad ones as well. Why should a pt go to a cll surgeon who has had bad outcomes, then his pts come on here and try to hide their complications? go read musicmaker and coopers diaries.
This is what liars do: when they get caught in a lie, they change the topic and get emotional. The names I have in my signature are names of very good LL surgeons who have not crippled their patients.
Many people on here will attest that I am one of the few people on here who actually knows what I am talking about. I do my own research and am not biased. What does how much I lengthen and the reasons behind it have to do with anything? Do you know my background, or reasons why I want to do the surgery? No you dont.
I was not even talking to you or quoting you. I was referring to Yagen and other pts who have hid their complications and promote monegal. I dont even know who tf you are. But this is a perfect example of Monegal "patient" attacking someone for truthfully calling out a pt who is lying in a diary and hiding complications. I do not want to give people with low integrity and morals any more time than this, so later.
P.S. I will continue to raise awareness on patients hiding complications due to Monegal, and promoting him on here. Thats not attacking the surgeon. That is called protecting future patients from health risks. If you don't like it, cry me a river. I do not care.
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in fact I think Monegal has had good outcomes in many patients, but what is most worrying is how there are patients dedicated to want to defend him. it just feels weird.
100% true. He has had good outcomes and bad outcomes too. But the fact that his pts want to hide their complications, post unreliable cropped x rays, defend him and view him as a saint/savior even if they are crippled, and ultimately promote him on here is just evil in my opinion.
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ah ok it is like the Batman and Robin story! Got it!
I am not discussing the reasons why you want to do CLL. I just do not think you need it.. but that is your choice..
if you want to do CLL with a complication-free Dr I do not think you will find one in the entire world. The funniest think is you promote Paley after having operated wrong bone/leg in 2 kids. But it is ok to post your point.
As I said before I don’t think Dr need promotion being at Univerity Hospital, Fitbone instructor or European Union consultant advisor for LL. Se the statistics and you will find less than 60 people read the forum... so the impact factor of your advices and lies of not 0 is very close to it.
As you say do your research. Read Paley or Rozbruck... and you will find that the problem is not the doctors themselves. There are also uncontrolled variables that they cannot control. As said, in my case I had a longtime problem and now I am back to normal life. That s it.
Have a nice journey in case you undergo surgery. In my case I had no choice
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ah ok it is like the Batman and Robin story! Got it!
I am not discussing the reasons why you want to do CLL. I just do not think you need it.. but that is your choice..
if you want to do CLL with a complication-free Dr I do not think you will find one in the entire world. The funniest think is you promote Paley after having operated wrong bone/leg in 2 kids. But it is ok to post your point.
As I said before I don’t think Dr need promotion being at Univerity Hospital, Fitbone instructor or European Union consultant advisor for LL. Se the statistics and you will find less than 60 people read the forum... so the impact factor of your advices and lies of not 0 is very close to it.
As you say do your research. Read Paley or Rozbruck... and you will find that the problem is not the doctors themselves. There are also uncontrolled variables that they cannot control. As said, in my case I had a longtime problem and now I am back to normal life. That s it.
Have a nice journey in case you undergo surgery. In my case I had no choice
1. dr paley's assistant did that and he was later fired. get your story straight before you throw it out there and the surgery had to do with an ankle, not LL.
2. Ive read a lot of diaries and research papers with both... very minor complications and 100% full recovery in their cLL pts. No complications like patients of Monegal, Guichet, and Sarin/Sringari have, where their patients actually become crippled and never make full recovery.
anyways, later
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1. dr paley's assistant did that and he was later fired. get your story straight before you throw it out there and the surgery had to do with an ankle, not LL.
2. Ive read a lot of diaries and research papers with both... very minor complications and 100% full recovery in their cLL pts. No complications like patients of Monegal, Guichet, and Sarin/Sringari have, where their patients actually become crippled and never make full recovery.
anyways, later
Cinderella is a manipulator as well. Cinderella just throws over Paley and always quotes that piece of news. But Mirinheight is telling the truth about the story. In Paley's case it wasn't a LL surgery and it wasn't Paley himself who made the mistake. Monegal's disasters were caused just and only by him.
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I am not manipulated. I am just defending my doctor from your obsessive attacks.
Well I wouldn’t like my kid to be operated on the wrong leg or bone segment.
That is probably the problem of having a psychological disorder as you have.
You believe your own story. Whatever you say is fine Troll as well as Mirin.
As said you can insult me, misrespect real patients, slander people...
You have done this for almost 3 years. I cannot say all is perfect with Dr M but your point was clear 3 years ago and remains the same.
People move on in life. But I can see you in 20 years still talking about the “non compliant” patient from Nepal and lying about MM condition. Many patients have stated having met her doing well, tall and beautiful. Maybe coop had a crush on her and she refused...and that is why you refer to her again and again.
But as said before...don’t think your “broken record speech” has any impact. But you can carry on logging in every day of your miserable life and throw the same arguments over and over again.
And regarding Paley, I am sure he is the top guy, the gold satandard and the LL god.. I am just saying that you cannot leave in hands of your “fellows” the legs of children. So if happens you fire them. Guess why he left Baltimore and moved to Florida.
Enjoy your life as I do. And do not call me minion...I am more like a Princess
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You aren't a princess, perhaps the frog. Too obvious you're Monegal himself defending himself.
As long as you are here publishing lies I will keep exposing promoters and fakers like you.
This guy destroyed my life. It's my duty to alert prospective patients of his lack of skills and morals. I don't want people to suffer the same fate than me.
Of course if Monegal doesn't lose his license before in 20 years I'll still be here exposing what a con artist he is
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Get ready guys! Next troll sh... in 3,2...1...!
Poooooooh
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Hahahaha nice joke!
You a patient? Me Monegal?
Hahahaha Hahahaha
Man you make life so so funny 😂 😂😂
Well if I am a frog try to kiss me 😂😂😂😂
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If not Monegal you're Musicmaker or staff. Not a joke. Nobody met a patient fitting your description. You're a product of Monega's sick mind or a manipulated minion.
P.S. I will only kiss you if you're MM.
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Oh yes hahaha not even close!
Sick mind? Hahahaa man you rock
Let s read all your 300 posts from your already 6 alias and people will figure out h to whom the sick mind belongs to 😂😂😂😂
Man maybe you can move to Las Vegas and have your own show!
You can ask MM herself who by the way was walking last time we met. So who lies here? 😂😂😂
I had the theory you were M promoter. Every time you put his name in the board people come out to defend him. People check their diairies...then your posts... and figure out you are sick In mind!
Well done buddy! 😂😂😂😂😂
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Next poooooh in 3,2,1....poooooh!
Carry on insulting people!
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What NOTATROLL says makes sense ...
Looking out of this forum and seen people who warn that Monegal is not good ...
On the other hand you mention an error of Paley that he did not commit, if an employee in his charge and since then nothing ....
However, there are numerous cases of Monegal seen on the net.
I put myself in the page of the hospital that he is supposed to be and his name does not appear anywhere. It seems suspicious to me.
Then I do not understand why so much obsession with defending a doctor who in the past has operated well or badly ...
If you do not get any benefit because defend something that does not give any harvest? I do not understand...
The last videos of YAGEN changing the guy does not walk well, whatever you say, also I do not say it again, it's suspicious ...
It is as simple as covering the name of your X-ray and publishing it if there is nothing to hide, it is a forum about this after all.
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@ Cinderella Your posts are even worse than mine. They're are obsessive, childish and not smart. You remind me of Monegal's stupid jokes. You're Monegal or Musicmaker AND/OR STAFF manipulated by Monegal. YES. That guy is a psycopath who preys on people's insecurities and shows his hidden face when things go sore.
@Trevor Yagen doesn't care about privacy. He has posted videos. The reason why he cropped out his xrays was to hide Monegal's mistakes. He can't post the full uncropped version because he would have to admit he manipulated you all in his diary like Musicmaker and other patients did (forced by Monegal). BEWARE. Monegal forces his patients to write positive reviews and when they post crap he doesn't like he gets mad. Monegal's patients diaries aren't to be trusted.
In Clinica Diagonal google reviews there is one user saying that in Clinica Diagonal there was a bad femur surgery 10 months ago that resulted in amputation in another hospital. They didn't mention the name of the surgeon but the review about the amputation is still there. Is that related to Monegal not being in the webpage anymore? If anybody could investigate and post the screenshot in Monegal's thread to discuss the case that would be great
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You crossed a couple of lines here.
Ok Trevor you can write clínica diagonal and figure out:
why does not M name appear on the web?
I am sure they can give you an explaination which by the way I think was already given.
Suggesting here that the reason is a random review you found on they in the middle of your paranoia is well beyond obsessive behavior. You already did that suggesting a patient died at the guest house following a femur feacture... and it was an elder guy non related with LL.
So easy to throw poooooh behind a keyboard.
You can carry on insulting me. I don’t care.
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I didn't say that was the reason. I'm asking people (Spanish speakers) to investigate if thad had to do with Monegal. I found this in Clinica Diagonal Google reviews (from 10 months ago)
A una familiar la mandaron para casa sabiendo que tenia una bacteria muy infecciosa a riesgo de sepsis, tras haberla cogido en su quirófano después de una operación de fémur.. Todo terminó con la amputación de la pierna en un hospital público... Del médico que la atendió ni hablar... Una verguüenza
Even if not related to Monegal It's related to the place where he operates, A Clinica that caused an amputation in a femur surgery because there was a bacteria in OR isn't a good thing.
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Yes of course... amputations happen everyday I all hospitals of the world like Mayo Clinic, special Surgery In NY, Saint Mary Hospital, Katmandú hospital..
En Español le llamamos hacer demagogia. Es simple como esto.
It seems like you do your biased research but it is clear you are not in the health field. Bone infection normally occurs throught heamatogenous way. You can search in Wikipedia but basically it is a bacteria migrating from other part of your body and settles in the bone.
It is very disgraced event to occur...but it can happen anywhere.
Or are US hospitals free of infection cases.
Well do your research
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Amputations after accidents YES, but this case was a femur surgery that ended in amputation because there was a bacteria in OR. The hospital wasn't clean. VERY BAD. After reading this I feel happy I could keep both legs (although I limp)
No hablar espanol.
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Yes of course... amputations happen everyday I all hospitals of the world like Mayo Clinic, special Surgery In NY, Saint Mary Hospital, Katmandú hospital..
En Español le llamamos hacer demagogia. Es simple como esto.
No you are wrong. Do you have any idea how rare an amputation is due to a bacteria infection from the OR? All good hospitals/good physicians make sure the OR is as clean as possible. This type of thing only happens at bad hospitals
This means that
1. The OR was not clean enough to operate. Contamination within OR will cause potentially infectious material during surgery
2. Translation: "A family member was sent home knowing that she had a very infectious bacterium at risk of sepsis, after having taken it in her operating room after a femur operation .. It ended with the amputation of the leg in a public hospital ... From the doctor that attended her or speak ... A shame."
The surgeon in charge knew about the infection and still sent her home without treatment, and ultimately the infection ate away tissues of the leg and caused sepsis. This amputation was due to physician negligence, and could be a reason why Monegal's names is not on the website. Something to note.
Even if this was not Monegal, it proves that the hospital he operates at is notorious for hiring incapable/bad physicians.
Can you imagine a story like this happening in the United States and the huge lawsuit that would follow?
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Hi Robin! We were missing you here
Well you can post whatever and say.. go to dirty OR and Monegal will give you an extra amputation with 50% retail. Come on guys. Be serious.
You are definitely not in the medical field. There are YES anthibiotic resistant bacterial in ICU, OR and this has nothing to do with cleaning or sterilization. But anyway it is very straight forward to relate a random post to Dr M to cause damage.
Well I was a patient in that clinic and operated in these OR. And here I am. Maybe frogs are not attacked by bacteria...just by Trolls and its pets.
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Thanks for your accurate translation and your support Mirin. I can't speak Spanish. This is really helpful.
I agree Clinica Diagonal and its doctor deserve a HUGE LAWSUIT from this lady. AND Monegal deserves a HUGE LAWSUIT from many patients (lack of surgical skill and lack of ethics). In the USA Monegal would have lost his license long ago, many patients would be rich and Musicmaker would be a billionaire.
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This is UNFAIR for Dr Monegal. He isn’t perfect but he tries his best every time. I can’t stand people being so mean with him. That amputation case, if it ever existed, had nothing to do with him. Don’t associate his name with that case. It’s UNFAIR.
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Lost his license? Maybe he has not because of your fake testimonials.
Guess why is Paley in Florida? Hahaha
It is clear you promote some P doctors
Hahahaha what a joke you are 😂😂😂😂
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This is UNFAIR for Dr Monegal. He isn’t perfect but he tries his best every time. I can’t stand people being so mean with him. That amputation case, if it ever existed, had nothing to do with him. Don’t associate his name with that case. It’s UNFAIR.
PatientPrivacy I missed you! Investigate him. ANOTHER Monegal account.
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Datum, Lluser1, Notatroll...maaaaambo!
Hahaha you sick clown 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Lost his license? Maybe he has not because of your fake testimonials.
Guess why is Paley in Florida? Hahaha
It is clear you promote some P doctors
Hahahaha what a joke you are 😂😂😂😂
What's your problem with Paley Monegal? Are you jealous of his expertise and reputation? He gets all your botched cases. I recommend Musicmaker coming there if she wants to walk again.
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Moderators you need to block Monegal diaries. This has gone for to long. By blocking we can atleast in som capacity protect future LL patients. Monegal (patientprivacy,cinderella ) you are a disgrace to your proffession!
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What is going on here :o? Oh My
God, you say he is not good doctor? Even if you are not patient of him!
How do you come this conclusion? Just by reading these easy claims without talking discussing with him. What a fking misleading !!
Dear friends most of m.fkers try to creat chaos here to manipulate
! Because it’s always the same person starts fire and brainwash other people ! Look I don’t defend anyone My recommend is just to consult your doctor .do not listen these people or even me.
About C. Diagonal.if you say it s not clean or occur infection problems, these people are certainly manipulating Everything ! you must be blind !
Look at my pictures. I remember %100 that Op Room had last technology devices and were very clean.
So in conclusion you can go to your American doctors by paying 150.000$ which is in my opinion „robbery“ if you are not son of Bill Gates.
If you read last message of troll, you see how he promotes Paley because This is troll either Cooper(Unlucky case) or Promoter Of American Doctors!
Finally ,
Cinderella , look don’t answer these brainwashed people, their aim
Is just to create chaos and affect other people. They get reach
their aims by using us( creating discussion)
Barcelona is best Team and I m the best case. Just read my diary and wait but Don’t be Mad M.fkers 8) :P
STAY STRONG
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btw for people who dont know 'Americanfootball'. This is the guy who did LL with Salameh-fixtator and during LL said "this is the best surgeon ever, best ever fixtator" ::) ::). People adviced against it, but he kept preaching the same words about Salameh as he is doing with Dr. Monegal.
So take whatever he says with a large bag of salt.
Over and out.
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What's the issue with you Monegal patients? What kind of mental disorder you have? Only people who manipulate proofs in this forum are Monegal's promoters. I'm just exposing the truth.
What kind of mental retardation does one need to say 'Barcelona is best team and Im the best case'? Why do you all Monegal patients speak in absolute terms? Do you have borderline intellectual functioning?
The bacteria problem is quite bad and Mirin is right about Clinica Diagonal not hiring competetent physicians. If you don't want to see that it's your problem. I hope you aren't the next patient infected by bacteria in its OR.
I don't promote Paley. I just mentioned him because Cinderella attacks him in every post getting all her details wrong. She's obsessed.
What is going on here :o? Oh My
God, you say he is not good doctor? Even if you are not patient of him!
How do you come this conclusion? Just by reading these easy claims without talking discussing with him. What a fking misleading !!
Dear friends most of m.fkers try to creat chaos here to manipulate
! Because it’s always the same person starts fire and brainwash other people ! Look I don’t defend anyone My recommend is just to consult your doctor .do not listen these people or even me.
About C. Diagonal.if you say it s not clean or occur infection problems, these people are certainly manipulating Everything ! you must be blind !
Look at my pictures. I remember %100 that Op Room had last technology devices and were very clean.
So in conclusion you can go to your American doctors by paying 150.000$ which is in my opinion „robbery“ if you are not son of Bill Gates.
If you read last message of troll, you see how he promotes Paley because This is troll either Cooper(Unlucky case) or Promoter Of American Doctors!
Finally ,
Cinderella , look don’t answer these brainwashed people, their aim
Is just to create chaos and affect other people. They get reach
their aims by using us( creating discussion)
Barcelona is best Team and I m the best case. Just read my diary and wait but Don’t be Mad M.fkers 8) :P
STAY STRONG
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MODS please close this diary. The creator of the diary posted manipulated material to promote Monegal's practice. When called out he disappeared. He boasted about his integrity
There are things that money can not buy and it is integrity. I just tell my experience and I do not sell myself.
But he cropped out his xrays to hide Monegal's mistakes. When asked to show proof, he disappeared. BEWARE. THIS DIARY ISN'T TO BE TRUSTED.
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I didn't expect lies and manipulation from Yagen. I'm a Monegal patient and I met many patients and people in touch with other patients. They always said Yagen was a normal, sensible guy (as well as Bohemia was very weird and mentally unstable). This manipulation comes as a surprise to me. I'd have expected this manipulation from Bohemia but not from Yagen but maybe he changed after tibia surgery. I think Notatroll is right this time. I also think all tibia patients have bad results with Monegal. With femur there are good and bad results.
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So "legpatient", a guy who registered today and with only one post has decided that notatroll is right vs the guy who actually posted xrays and videos.
Looks like the matter is settled.
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So "legpatient", a guy who registered today and with only one post has decided that notatroll is right vs the guy who actually posted xrays and videos.
Looks like the matter is settled.
Have you bothered reading the discussion? Yagen manipulated his xray to hide surgical errors by Dr Monegal. He said he was perfect but he had the same issues than Cooper (procurvatum tibia, misaligned fibula…). He CAN'T POST the full version to clear the air because it will demonstrate that he boasted being honest when he wasn't more than another promoter. The question isn't Yagen hasn't posted xrays. He has. The PROBLEM is he has CROPPED OUT his xrays to hide Monegal's mistakes and getting him more customers. Legpatient hasn't posted xrays, right. Have you? That guy has the same chances of being real than you. Please, don't talk about crap you don't know.
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Just found it funny how this newly minted member of our forum gave his judgement, referring to his extensive inside knowledge of monegal patients (using quite familiar rhetoric about them) when he just registered today, as if it holds any value.
I'm not interested in getting involved with your personal vendetta against dr monegal. He has been very good to me so far (and to others I know) but obviously our experiences differ and that doesn't mean either of us is being dishonest. I do however find your vagueness in regards to what your experience actually was strange as you are so occupied with this crusade against the dr and that makes your motives quite intriguing.
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It's true that Legpatient may have no credibility. He's new and no xrays. But you MILKO don't have xrays either. Are you false? Don't say Legpatient is false for that reason. Not all people without xrays are false and not all people with xrays are truthful.
Milko I will respect you if you respect me. I'm not saying you're dishonest. You see Monegal's hidden face when you get complications or close to him. In other cases you see his social mask. My point here is DON'T TRUST YAGEN.
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My point here is DON'T TRUST YAGEN.
Yes, don't trust a guy who has undergone 3 surgeries, has shared with us his experiences, has created two well documented diaries, has posted photos, has posted videos, has posted X-rays, has kindly replied to many posts and PMs, has met other LL patients IRL, etc.
Instead, you can trust this other LL guru who has created 23423498 accounts with 0 value, has spread the rumor of a guy dying because of Monegal (actual facts: it was an old lady who fell from a chair, was not a patient of Monegal, not even a LL patient), has attempted to bully patients and has a weird obsession with Musicmaker.
It's your choice guys 8)
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Another of your 5 alias? The arrogant 💩
Come on dear. Maybe Spanish people have same language mistakes, Nepal people same mental issues, and all your alias same psycho pattern.
Wow Cinderella WOW!!!
Some people will do anything for money :-[
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That amputation case, if it ever existed, had nothing to do with him. Don’t associate his name with that case. It’s UNFAIR.
Here we go again.. How does he find all these ppl who are quick to defend him?
I am looking for a cheap LL. What is the discount for promoting this Dr M
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Just read this whole diary.
It was good up until the tibia surgeries.
Yagen is asked to post an uncropped x ray and it turns out to be the most difficult thing for him to do!!
He then posted videos clearly showing his right foot facing outwards.
Dr M, using a different account, then tried to blame it on camera illusion, etc
Dr M said he will not post in the forum anymore. However it is very CLEAR that the man is still actively looking for business in this forum.
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You're not a PATIENT but a LURKER. Your opinion about me is worth nothing.
Yes, don't trust a guy who has undergone 3 surgeries, has shared with us his experiences, has created two well documented diaries, has posted photos, has posted videos, has posted X-rays, has kindly replied to many posts and PMs, has met other LL patients IRL, etc. AND HE HAS CROPPED out XRAYS TO PROMOTE MONEGAL.
Instead, you can trust this other LL guru who has created 23423498 accounts with 0 value, has spread the rumor of a guy dying because of Monegal (actual facts: it was an old lady who fell from a chair, was not a patient of Monegal, not even a LL patient), has attempted to bully patients and has a weird obsession with Musicmaker. THAT OLD GUY (not lady) WAS FRIENDS WITH MONEGAL'S PATIENTS in residence BUT NOT A MONEGAL PATIENT, BUT THERE IS THE GUY WHO KILLED HIMSELF. HE WAS A MONEGAL PATIENT AND A FRIEND OF MINE
It's your choice guys 8)
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Thanks LL4me. You are intelligent enough to realize what's happening here
Wow Cinderella WOW!!!
Some people will do anything for money :-[
Monegal himself or staff yes
Here we go again.. How does he find all these ppl who are quick to defend him?
I am looking for a cheap LL. What is the discount for promoting this Dr M
Money and Trauma Bond
Just read this whole diary.
It was good up until the tibia surgeries.
Yagen is asked to post an uncropped x ray and it turns out to be the most difficult thing for him to do!!
He then posted videos clearly showing his right foot facing outwards.
Dr M, using a different account, then tried to blame it on camera illusion, etc
Dr M said he will not post in the forum anymore. However it is very CLEAR that the man is still actively looking for business in this forum.
RIGHT. Yagen is a promoter and Monegal is still active in the forum under different names.
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See two dogs barking is more productive than reading this, i leave this diary is really toXic.
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See two dogs barking is more productive than reading this, i leave this diary is really toXic.
It's sad and I will tell you why. When other patients complain about other doctors, doctors themselves don't come here to post and other patients remain neutral. Monegal patients should be objective but they come to attack fellow patients with bad results who go public as if they were members of a cult and the bad patient should be punished. Monegal himself with his forum paranoia and his army of trolls has caused the Monegal situation in the forum.
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It's sad and I will tell you why. When other patients complain about other doctors, doctors themselves don't come here to post and other patients remain neutral. Monegal patients should be objective but they come to attack fellow patients with bad results who go public as if they were members of a cult and the bad patient should be punished. Monegal himself with his forum paranoia and his army of trolls has caused the Monegal situation in the forum.
Exactly. Like this Milko guy coming from nowhere to attack me. WTF
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What a shame
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No news from Yagen yet? Guys admit it. Notatroll IS right about Yagen.
Yagen manipulated his xray to hide surgical errors by Dr Monegal. He said he was perfect but he had the same issues than Cooper (procurvatum tibia, misaligned fibula…). He CAN'T POST the full version to clear the air because it will demonstrate that he boasted being honest when he wasn't more than another promoter. The question isn't Yagen hasn't posted xrays. He has. The PROBLEM is he has CROPPED OUT his xrays to hide Monegal's mistakes and getting him more customers.
Btw I miss notatroll. He hasn't posted for days.
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No news from Yagen yet? Guys admit it. Notatroll IS right about Yagen.
Btw I miss notatroll. He hasn't posted for days.
Of course I'm right. Many months have passed and Yagen hasn't posted his uncropped xrays. That would mean exposing 1) Monegal's bad technique and 2) Yagen's lack of honesty with users of this forum.
I've been out of the forum coz I had some health problems.
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Yes, don't trust a guy who has undergone 3 surgeries, has shared with us his experiences, has created two well documented diaries, has posted photos, has posted videos, has posted X-rays, has kindly replied to many posts and PMs, has met other LL patients IRL, etc.
Instead, you can trust this other LL guru who has created 23423498 accounts with 0 value, has spread the rumor of a guy dying because of Monegal (actual facts: it was an old lady who fell from a chair, was not a patient of Monegal, not even a LL patient), has attempted to bully patients and has a weird obsession with Musicmaker.
It's your choice guys 8)
Old lady? He was an old man. LLuser admitted he committed a mistake. However that old guy was a friend of Monegal's patients and he died after a femur fracture in the guesthouse. Not false at all. Besides some Monegal patients have died. One friend of mine killed himself after Monegal's disastrous surgery. Other people have had their legs amputated in Monegal's clinic after a bacteria infection in OR (check Google reviews for CLinica Diagonal). This is a dangerous place to have surgery. Your legs and lives are compromised.
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In a short time I will finish this incredible trip along to increase my height.
I always thought it was a fking madness, trying to grow and achieve my goals.
It has been a hard trip, it is not simple but it is not impossible either. I think the best thing is to have achievable goals.
The body is incredible and it recovers. Now I do not see it as hard over time, but I think I should have done it before.
The hardest part of the road was when you see yourself in a wheelchair, you look helpless.
The lengthening is not painful, but it is very boring. I remember that the worst thing is that the days go by slowly and the nights are very long. The worst was not sleeping.
Once you start that you finish lengthening everything is easier and a week I could sleep well, and little by little start walking.
In a short time I take off the nails and the trip will be over.
I started my trip reading many posts like those of sweeden, Bohemia ... and others. My most sincere thanks for sharing the information. Although in the forum there are people who want to hurt and have their own interests.
I do not recommend any doctor, I believe that if you do not do the operation it is the best decision
I am happy with the decision of the doctor I chose.
I am taller, safer, but not happier. I was happy before and now I am the same. Do not do this operation if you think it will solve your problems.
If I can tell you that from this height you can breathe the cleanest air. ;D ;D
I attach picture of my consolidated tibia.
I do not connect to the forum because it does not give me anything.
If someone wants complete photos you can ask me.
I will not argue with anyone, If you like my diary I'm glad.
If you do not like it, I'm sorry you have many others to choose. I just told my trip.
My best wishes
Yagen
(http://i68.tinypic.com/9qcs35.png)
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If what you say it's true, congratulations.
I'm not meaning harm to you, but may I ask why are you still posting CROPPED xrays?
You gave only one side of the xray. You CROPPED the xray AGAIN. Why do you do that?
Listen to me. If you care about Monegal, that's the worse you can do. I complain when I see bad surgeries but I complain even more when I'm getting scammed. Yes, I CAN accept doctors are human and they make mistakes but I CAN'T accept people come here to promote one doctor by manipulating proofs.
So please, share your UNCROPPED xrays where we can see the procurvatum and all the fibula issues we know you have or consider yourself the new EXPOSED fraud of Dr Monegal (same as Musicmaker in 2015)
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Congratulations on the completion of your journey.
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Please BEWARE . Yagen doesn't post his UNCROPPED xrays because he has serious issues. He cropped his xrays to create a good image of Monegal, but he isn't a good surgeon. If you want proof, send PM
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Why PM? What's the proof that the cropped image is hiding a problem? I do agree it's strange though
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Please BEWARE . Yagen doesn't post his UNCROPPED xrays because he has serious issues. He cropped his xrays to create a good image of Monegal, but he isn't a good surgeon. If you want proof, send PM
I have to agree... with u ... its cropped!!!!
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I usually never comment on these kind of posts and do not subscribe to conspiracy theories , but here we go:
This last passage was not written by the OP unless he was studying English grammar / spelling 24/7 during his lengthening and consolidation. Just saying.
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I usually never comment on these kind of posts and do not subscribe to conspiracy theories , but here we go:
This last passage was not written by the OP unless he was studying English grammar / spelling 24/7 during his lengthening and consolidation. Just saying.
There aren’t any quotations in your post.
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Seriously, how has Monegal not been imprisoned yet?
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I referred to the last passage written by ‘Yevgen’.
There is a drastic difference b/b this post and the other ones.
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Your brain is cropped, unbelievable hater. a frustrated one behind his computer. if i had more money i would definitely go for Dr Monegal. People are tired of your comments. No sense ones. Get a life.
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Your brain is cropped, unbelievable hater. a frustrated one behind his computer. if i had more money i would definitely go for Dr Monegal. People are tired of your comments. No sense ones. Get a life.
Are you insulting Notatroll? The guy has proofs. He exaggerates when he says Monegal is a devil but he is not lying about Yagen and many other things
I referred to the last passage written by ‘Yevgen’.
There is a drastic difference b/b this post and the other ones.
Yagen's English is very bad. The last post is better but still bad. I think he wrote it. Do you think Monegal himself wrote it? No surprise. He has impersonated other users... but don't blame him. Other users have impersonated him in this forum. I would be angry.
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All of you are being paranoia, there are thousands of people doing the surgery around the world. Some are experts like Paley rozbruch and mahboubian, but also baumgart, dr betz and many others. Why would a doctor like monegal write a fake diary just for that? let's be honest he is one of the best. Yagen would be sick to hide cropped xrays! For what would he do that?what are his benefits, his english was good at first. everybody can make a mistake.
If you want to warn people about any doctor, bring proofs. Notatroll is a sick and frustrated guy. the more i read him the more i want to do the surgery. That's my opinion.
Goodluck Yagen
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Listen, we have seen the uncropped version of these xrays and other famous cases. Notatroll hasn't published them in forum to protect Yagen and other patients from the vindictive doctor but he has PROVED to me and many others that Yagen was lying. Ask him to send proof and he will send you a PM with the proofs
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I know Yagen as well as most Monegal patients and he isn’t a fraud. Dinozzo is right.
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I know Yagen as well as most Monegal patients and he isn’t a fraud. Dinozzo is right.
Patientprivacy is Monegal
All of you are being paranoia, there are thousands of people doing the surgery around the world. Some are experts like Paley rozbruch and mahboubian, but also baumgart, dr betz and many others. Why would a doctor like monegal write a fake diary just for that? let's be honest he is one of the best. Yagen would be sick to hide cropped xrays! For what would he do that?what are his benefits, his english was good at first. everybody can make a mistake.
If you want to warn people about any doctor, bring proofs. Notatroll is a sick and frustrated guy. the more i read him the more i want to do the surgery. That's my opinion.
Goodluck Yagen
Notatroll, this guy wants your proof.
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No need to show me anything, not you nor notatroll, i'm not 16yo, if anyone got crippled it's because he didn't measure the risks, it's not a casual normal surgery, make your own conclusions. if you go more than the doctor's recommendations you can be in trouble. if you don't follow the PT exercises for long time, you won't recover well. this surgery is done all over the world, if you choose a doctor because he is cheaper then it's your own decision and the consequences. Guichet Monegal and Betz, are one of the best european surgeons, mistakes can happen but also accident , patients who doesn't follow the rules. that's my opinion. it's like when you eat too much you don't just get fat but u can have cholesterol and many other disease. and all the doctors are saying to eat healthy.