Limb Lengthening Forum
Community Hangout => Off Topic => Topic started by: TheTruth on September 16, 2013, 11:42:51 PM
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This thread is a merge of two topic (What's Wrong With old forumand Why I Left) and (State of old forum- Why We Have Lost Trust).
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The following is a conversation between me and another old forummember.
Here is my initial message expressing my thoughts about the state of old forumas it's currently being run.
"All the stuff with Dr Sarin and Dr Sringari made me realize that old forumno longer provide accurate and honest information about LL for future patients. How many patients have suffered in India due to being mislead by old forumwebsite that they were in the hands of a good doctor? And now the trend is likely to continues with the new doctor.
Regardless of what happens from here, I will not be participating in old forumanymore, due to loss of confidence in the site. The mistakes from trusting Dr Sarin were repeated right away with Dr Sringari, raising serious doubts about the ability and intentions of Sysop.
I completely disagree with Sysop vision that old forumis "to promote LL" and "to push LL forward". I want truthful and accurate information about LL as the main focus, not trying to get involve in the commercial side of things at the expense of patient's well being.. "
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And here's the response from the other old forummember, which is exactly spot on.
" I thought from the beginning that it was stupid to put Dr. Sarin on the recommended doctors list simply due to word of mouth from patients undergoing the procedure. Dr. Sarin was said by Crazy+6 to be a "perfect 10/10" and everyone talked about how great he was. Then, without waiting for patients to get their frames removed and report full recovery, Sysop goes ahead and adds Sarin to the list.
This in turn dupes people into thinking Dr. Sarin is some amazing doc and then they go there and have their lives wrecked. I've been communicating with a patient there who tells me that Dr. Sarin has been threatening patients to keep silent about conditions there and hint that he might retaliate on the operating table.
He's accepted a patient with a blood diseases and kept his condition secret while putting him in a room with others unaware of it - a patient found out his condition somehow and called Sarin out on it, which made him flip out. None of the patients there can walk properly.
Crazy+6 supposedly has problems so bad that he may never walk again, Dryani still uses a cane, even Captain America who is Sarin's biggest advocate wants to go to an orthopedic doctor when he returns to the states. Someone had to have an entire knee replacement, Sarin shrugs off everything, etc etc.
Basically, not a single patient comes back thinking they're okay and having 100% ease of mind. Meanwhile Dr. Sarin has been buying himself a new luxury car regularly due to his new wealth for being advertised on old forum . Looks like that's stopped but now watch the Sringari bandwagon start.
old forumwas better years ago. old forumAdmin was very headstrong and would ban people at the drop of a hat, but at least he kept things reasonable. old forumAdmin used to require a few patients to report a full recovery before being put on the recommended doctors list, but Sysop responded to that with something along the lines of "I don't think I should have to wait 2 years when the doctor has completed all the requirements. old forumhad his rules I have mine."
Now, I'm not sure that Sysop has any malicious intent, but he probably does get money from promoting docs, and like you I think that old forumshouldn't be about "pushing LL forward". After all, if LL were to become widespread (which it won't) that would just put the short guys getting it back at square one once the average guys get it to become tall. Just a hypothetical. I think cosmetic LL should remain as a service limited to people who go out and actively search for it and are able to find ways to get the money to do what they need to do.
Anyway, when it comes down to it, Sysop is not doing an adequate job.
All this promotion is doing is killing the site. You get a bunch of dopes that come in and don't research anything and say they're going to lengthen 12 centimeters in one go or what not and rather than that being discouraged, you now have people writing diaries that basically tell others to disregard the 5cm rule for their tibia and lengthen as much as possible because it's been done before. Yea well, Crazy+6 went from 5'4 to 5'11 and I'm told he's going to have lifelong problems.
old forumhas become a site where accurate information and advocacy of a cautious approach has turned into finding the cheapest surgeon available and crossing your fingers. I don't really care if a patient decides to go out and reveal that he has done leg lengthening, like Apotheosis did, but the site itself should be run as objectively as possible, not the way it has been running since the whole Sarin craze started. "
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Note: This was originally posted on old forum , only to be deleted right away with my account being banned. Seems like Sysop/Apothesis is too afraid to discuss all of this openly, validating that he has too many things to hide from everyone.
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Hello everyone
This is my final post here on old forum , it's has definitely been an interesting 6 months since I joined, I have made over 50 posts and received a credibility rating of 28. I've mentioned this not to brag, only to hopefully show that I have made posts that people have find worthy and useful to others. I hope this post will be the same, keeping it real.
For anyone interested to find out more about the uncensored thoughts from a patient who did surgery in India, check out this post here http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5.0
Please spread the word out about this new forum, the new forum has been created for a purpose. The word going around recently is some members are afraid to leave old forum or get banned here because they depend entirely on the old forum.
However once you read the post below, you'll realize that everything on there can be taken with a pinch of salt. My post is going to upset a few people because it's not what they want to hear, because they are desperate to get taller. However this is reality check and facts that are worth considering.
Ultimately this is the internet and you have to make the decision for yourself as a independent adult.
For this post, I will include certain quotes from others members, so I certainly do not take credit for everything written, but I will fully endorse them. This includes ex patients and people who were simply questioning the credibility of the old forum recently.
If you don't see any replies to PM or replies anymore, then you know that a person likely been silently banned from the old forum even if there are no such wording in their profile.
We are all adults here, so let's discuss all the recent things that have happened on this forum recently openly and logically, hopefully without censorship.
First off, I believe the purpose and priority of the old forum is no longer for the patient's well being. It's no longer able to provide accurate information for people considering Limb Lengthening. Here are the reasons why.
1) Censorship
The old forum is no longer a open 'community' for discussion. We have Apotheosis aka Sysop the forum admin who decide to delete posts and ban members as he likes. I use the word 'community' loosely because it's not really one when one person dictate what you can read and cannot read, what you can discuss and cannot discuss.
Example: Patients from Sarin guesthouse have been banned and have their posts removed, that's why they are no longer active here. From Captain America, Zero, Dem, 7cmwithSarin, Calic. That's alot of patients that has been banned suddenly without any explanations.
Posts by other members questioning Sysop/Apotheosis impartiality and Dr Sringari legitimacy have also lead to ban and deletion of posts. So we have one person here running over anything he doesn't want to be read and decide who is saying the right things. How is this a "community" in anyway shape or form?
So if you want to keep using this site, you best not say anything that will cause him not to make money. It is not safe to talk against SysOp/Apotheosis or Dr. Sringari on old forum site.
Btw, be careful with the PM on old forum as they are not private. SysOp/Apotheosis has been known to read people's private messages.
2) Sysop/Apotheosis and his Buddies Financial Interest
The old forum is simply an advertising board for Apotheosis/Sysop and his 'buddies' to gain financial returns by promoting limb lengthening with doctors they are working with. It's a shame that a site that was suppose to provide honest information has turn into a place for shady marketing by a small group of people.
Alot of people are disgusted at the level of shady dealings and basically using people around the world as pawns so they can make a quick buck. This is why leaving old forum is the right direction to go, so they can no longer carry on this unethical business.
Beforehand, SysOp/Apotheosis mentioned that he was planning to bring Dr. Betz's Rods to India to give to Dr. Sarin. You see, SysOp/Apotheosis invested in the rod and makes money from its sale. The more doctors that use the Betz Nail, the more money he can make.
See the conflict of interest here?
This maybe a bitter pill for many people here to swallow, but when Apotheosis/SySop took over old forum website in 2011, he first think about his business and how he could gain money instead of worrying about the medical aspects and the safety of potential patients.
2.1 - The Phantom
SysOp is advocating unethical use of the old forum to meet his, and his business partner's needs. Right now, he is actively promoting a fake patient and the machinations going with Dr. Sringari's practice. Dr. Sringari is a nice doctor, but he is NOT experienced in complex Cosmetic LL and has no professional training that proper LL doctors do.
SysOp is in on this deal too, he is financing and investing and promoting Dr. Sringari because he owns a certain percentage of the Betzbone Nail. EVERYTIME someone uses it, he gets money from patent royalty and investment gains.
The Phantom is NOT a real LL patient. He is Crazy+6. SysOp/Apotheosis Knows this full well, but he is allowing this to happen because SysOp, Sunny, Harry, Crazy+6 (and possibly some former patients who have a vendetta against Dr. Sarin) want to make money.
The Phantom diary and character is simply a figment of the imagination. This is very disturbing how SysOp allows this to go on without concern for potential patient's safety who blindly goes to this new doctor because of a false diary.
Notice even how the photos of ThePhantom's frames which he posted are completely different from the frames of the other Dr. Sringari patients (the real patients).
The Phantom main purpose was to introduce the old forum community to Dr. Sringari until a real patient showed up and wrote a real diary. After The Phantom's purpose was achieve, he would disappear into the shadows and "go home." The Phantom is really Crazy+6's fake persona used to market Dr. Sringari to the world. How can a person do surgery in July and leave in September because his visa 'expired' ?
2.2 - Sysop Visit To India
On topic, "SysOp visiting India" is where SysOp/Apotheosis slips and writes that his motivation for going to India was not to see/help the patients at Dr. Sarin guesthouse make positive improvements, it was to "promote LL and invest in as many Doctors in as many operating theaters as possibly in India."
As you can see, impartiality, integrity and transparency is not something we have with Apotheosis/Sysop. As the moderator of this forum, he should be impartial and neutral, so he has failed completely and cannot be trusted anymore.
Did anyone notice that right after Sarin was delisted from the recommended list, six new diaries for Sringari and Donghonn got started right away?
No surprise because Apotheosis is financially invested, thus he state that the purpose of old forum is to "pushing LL forward" and "promote LL"
That is precisely the reason why other people with shady intentions are running havoc on this forum, because the rot starts at the top with a crook running the place who is actively encouraging it.
What all this promotion is doing is killing the site, leading to members leaving. This has become a site where accurate information and advocacy of a cautious approach has turned into finding the cheapest surgeon available and crossing your fingers hoping for luck.
A forum should be run as objectively as possible, not the way it has been running since the whole Sarin craze started shortly after Apotheosis took over and commercialize the website into an advertising portal.
2.3 Dr Sarin and His Staff
Meanwhile Dr. Sarin has been buying himself a new luxury car regularly due to his new wealth for being advertised on old forum .
Now originally Crazy6 had approached Dr. Sarin in 2011 about partnering up and marketing Dr. Sarin to make him famous on old forum . Things did not go the way Crazy+6 intended, he ended up with really serious lifelong complications and may never walk normally again. Also he was not doing his job properly, so he was let go earlier in 2013 from their 'partnership'. By the end of the relationship, even Crazy6 had grew fearful of the doctor's unprofessional treatment but was too scared to speak openly.
Dr. Sarin was said by Crazy+6 to be a "perfect 10/10" and talked about how great he was. Then, without waiting for patients to get their frames removed and report full recovery, Sysop goes ahead and adds Sarin to the recommended list. This in turn dupes people into thinking Dr. Sarin is some amazing doc and then they go there and have their lives wrecked.
A lot of the patients were very surprised at the large disparity that they see / experience here in reality, and what they THOUGHT it would have been like from reading some of the older diaries from last year.
Dr. Sarin has been threatening patients to keep silent about conditions there and hint that he might retaliate on the operating table. There are numerous cases where the doctor's unprofessional attitude and negligence created unnecessary complications for his patients. The doctor should have been listed on the not recommended list, but Sysop was probably too embarrassed at his decision to endorse the doctor in the first place.
Sunny was Dr Sarin's assistant, he was fired for embezzling (stealing) money from Dr. Sarin and his patients. He was also planning to backstab and move on to promote other doctors and was actively seeking Doctor's for a variety of procedures, and asking current patients to help too.
There is also a possibility that Sysop/Apotheosis had a falling out with Dr Sarin because the doctor did not want to use the IM nail he had invested in. Remember how Sarin wanted to manufactured his own internal nails? Turn out that was a complete disaster and the results of his first internal patients has been filled with complications. Dr. Sarin was going to use his own Hydraulic Nail so SysOp was cut out of the deal with Dr. Sarin. Go figure.
Special mention also must be given to a certain patient who has now left the guesthouse, I won't disclose his identity here, but I'll write more about him at the new forum. This patient had a special deal with the doctor and was basically screwing over everyone here with all the bs in his diary.
Conclusion: I wish everyone all the best in making a proper decision. Staying at old forum would means supporting a small group of crooks who are interested in making money first over your well being.
Please feel free to join us at http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/ and register an account to join in a real community where members genuinely look to share honest and accurate information, with no censorship and shady intentions behind it.
P.S If Sysop/Apotheosis has the interests of the general community at heart, then he should allow this thread to stay open and allow uncensored discussions if he has done nothing wrong.
Goodbye old forum .
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Your post was very quickly removed from old forum . Sad. I think honesty would be better off in the long run.
Greed is a filthy thing :(
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Lets see how long it takes before I get banned from old forum .
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Picture doesn't work.
Why?
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Your post was very quickly removed from old forum . Sad. I think honesty would be better off in the long run.
Greed is a filthy thing :(
Lets see how long it takes before I get banned from old forum .
Get banned from old forum ? Wait, that seem to be a question alot of people will want to answer. ;)
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I was surprised at how fast it got taken down. It's pretty sad what Sysop/Apotheosis has been doing. There are many who advertise products for others and make a profit from it when they refer someone. It's affiliate marketing. But I'm completely against it when it comes to promoting a surgery with very high risks, in addition to being completely deceptive about it. With affiliates you know they're getting paid for advertising certain people. Sysop flat out lied and kept things hidden. Doctors should be recommended purely on qualifications, quality of patient care, and a good track record. Sysop recommended doctors he got a profit from.
Regarding Crazy+6, it's a shame to learn that he's really ThePhantom. Some from Sarin's guesthouse speculated that it was really Harry the physio. I understand that Crazy became fearful of Dr. Sarin and perhaps had reasons for trying to sway people to going to somewhere else, but I didn't think he'd be the type to make a fake identity. It's dangerous, especially since Dr. Sringari, while having good bedside manner, isn't qualified in this type of surgery. I was told that he was once performing a Total Knee Replacement for a woman and accidentally cut her Peroneal Nerve which caused paralysis to her lower leg, then was at a loss as to what to do.
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I was surprised at how fast it got taken down. It's pretty sad what Sysop/Apotheosis has been doing. There are many who advertise products for others and make a profit from it when they refer someone. It's affiliate marketing. But I'm completely against it when it comes to promoting a surgery with very high risks, in addition to being completely deceptive about it. With affiliates you know they're getting paid for advertising certain people. Sysop flat out lied and kept things hidden. Doctors should be recommended purely on qualifications, quality of patient care, and a good track record. Sysop recommended doctors he got a profit from.
Regarding Crazy+6, it's a shame to learn that he's really ThePhantom. Some from Sarin's guesthouse speculated that it was really Harry the physio. I understand that Crazy became fearful of Dr. Sarin and perhaps had reasons for trying to sway people to going to somewhere else, but I didn't think he'd be the type to make a fake identity. It's dangerous, especially since Dr. Sringari, while having good bedside manner, isn't qualified in this type of surgery. I was told that he was once performing a Total Knee Replacement for a woman and accidentally cut her Peroneal Nerve which caused paralysis to her lower leg, then was at a loss as to what to do.
Sysop/Apotheosis has completely no business or qualifications to recommend a list of doctor for such a high risk surgery. That's why I am against the concept of recommended/not recommended list, it's an easy tool for abuse and that's what it has became under Sysop/Apotheosis. It also encourage people to be lazy and not do proper research for the process.
Everyone is unique in what they require from LL process, and how do you accurately evaluate dozen of doctors around the world?
Answer: You can't.
Thats why the idea that Apothesis/Sysop can recommend a list of doctors for Everyone by his own set of unknown criteria is absurd. It's very likely the list of doctors is used to leverage with doctors for financial reasons.
I am sure Dr Sringari is well aware of everything going on with Phantom and that has already discredited the doctor for me. More about this doctor in coming days.
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Your post was very quickly removed from old forum . Sad. I think honesty would be better off in the long run.
Greed is a filthy thing :(
Lets see how long it takes before I get banned from old forum .
Why were you banned from old forum ? Wait, that seem to be a question alot of people will want to answer. ;)
I am not banned from old forum .
I don't take sides on this but I always try to promote the truth.
I don't see anything wrong with investing in the Betznail if anyone wants to do just that but it is wrong to not taking the discussion when one needs to and just ban people who doesn't agree with one.
That's where it get wrong.
Dr Sarin messed up some patients legs, no question about it. There is a lot of responsibility on the patient too and some patient didn't get that.
Everyone knows I have very bad ballerina - even though Harry told me I didn't - and many wants to blame Dr Sarin but he can't see the patients every day as the physio guys can. A patient who doesn't know about ballerina is doomed at Dr Sarins place since the physios doesn't explain about it and see to it that it doesn't get that extreme.
I know how to work it now but I really had to pay the price!
/Sweden - not banned yet.
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I hope I will not get BANNED for writing in this forum ???
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Dameon,
I appreciate you opening a new forum and trying to give truth to people. Glad to know.
Should I disclose my original username if I get guarantee that I will not get banned. Hopefully not because forum has been created for the same purpose.
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Dameon,
I appreciate you opening a new forum and trying to give truth to people. Glad to know.
Should I disclose my original username if I get guarantee that I will not get banned. Hopefully not because forum has been created for the same purpose.
This forum is meant to be an honest, open alternative to old forum that encourages discussion and the medical aspects of LL, completely ignoring the commercial aspect and trying to promote it. I don't think Dameon will care, and I certainly don't if you reveal your old forum username. The only thing you'd have to worry about is Sysop seeing it on this forum and banning your account on old forum in response, that is if you care about keeping your old forum account.
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So, Its not only Dameon who is running forum. You are also in it ?
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So, Its not only Dameon who is running forum. You are also in it ?
No I'm not running the forum, sorry it came out that way. Dameon did message me before the forum was started though and told me of his intentions to create it and we've been communicating since this, a lot about the way Sysop has been running the website. What I said in the last post is basically what Dameon said he intended this site to be.
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Crazy+6 just posted on Sweden's dairy. I wonder if witnessed that farewell message on the old forum.
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I think it got deleted before he had a chance to see it.
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Special mention also must be given to a certain patient who has now left the guesthouse, I won't disclose his identity here, but I'll write more about him at the new forum. This patient had a special deal with the doctor and was basically screwing over everyone here with all the bs in his diary.
Who is this certain patient you're referring to here?
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Special mention also must be given to a certain patient who has now left the guesthouse, I won't disclose his identity here, but I'll write more about him at the new forum. This patient had a special deal with the doctor and was basically screwing over everyone here with all the bs in his diary.
Who is this certain patient you're referring to here?
I can't really see who it might be either. There were several who tried to "make a deal" with the Dr. I never got what ever that could mean. (Free nail removal?)
I know STsacrifice4LTgain wanted to do his femurs too and got back to Dr Sarin this summer. He wrote about getting there to do a check up but come on - who travels to India for a "check up"?
So he could be doing his femurs right now, I don't know.
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Sysop has created a topic that is clearly addressing Dameon's post.
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Special mention also must be given to a certain patient who has now left the guesthouse, I won't disclose his identity here, but I'll write more about him at the new forum. This patient had a special deal with the doctor and was basically screwing over everyone here with all the bs in his diary.
Who is this certain patient you're referring to here?
He should be named.
Special mention also must be given to a certain patient who has now left the guesthouse, I won't disclose his identity here, but I'll write more about him at the new forum. This patient had a special deal with the doctor and was basically screwing over everyone here with all the bs in his diary.
Who is this certain patient you're referring to here?
I can't really see who it might be either. There were several who tried to "make a deal" with the Dr. I never got what ever that could mean. (Free nail removal?)
I know STsacrifice4LTgain wanted to do his femurs too and got back to Dr Sarin this summer. He wrote about getting there to do a check up but come on - who travels to India for a "check up"?
So he could be doing his femurs right now, I don't know.
Open & honest forum should be really open Sweden. I know that you were also part of deal.
There was a post long back in old forum by Colin that you offered to write very good diary if you get "Femur deal". I was actually in PM with Colin after that post and he said that it is true. I have copy of that PM
Would you like to clarify ?
STsacrifice is also in my PM and I have copy of message from him also. He was suffering from "Hernia" and walking unaided now. He never did femur.
Captain America could be that patient with special deal.
Deamon, Please disclose.
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Special mention also must be given to a certain patient who has now left the guesthouse, I won't disclose his identity here, but I'll write more about him at the new forum. This patient had a special deal with the doctor and was basically screwing over everyone here with all the bs in his diary.
Who is this certain patient you're referring to here?
I can't really see who it might be either. There were several who tried to "make a deal" with the Dr. I never got what ever that could mean. (Free nail removal?)
I know STsacrifice4LTgain wanted to do his femurs too and got back to Dr Sarin this summer. He wrote about getting there to do a check up but come on - who travels to India for a "check up"?
So he could be doing his femurs right now, I don't know.
Will you be doing your femurs with Dr. Sarin now after all this? Also, do you suspect Sunny and Harry tried to embezzle at any point during your stay in India?
I was talking to STsacrifice4LTgain back in June and he mentioned he was having a "check-up" with Dr. Sarin. Didn't hear from him since, though.
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There were never any deal.
I only offered myself to be his first femur patient. It could be beneficial for him since my diary attracted patients. By that I never meant to be a sellout but hopefully getting the surgery with a discount.
I wished for $20.000, the price of the nails, but I never got it. That's why I'm saving right now to do it next year.
So I wasn't part of any deal so it's nothing you know just bc someone at the guesthouse got that impression.
I will still be doing my femurs with Dr Sarin. He treated me good and I enjoyed my stay in India. He is not a bad doctor in my opinion.
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Truthndare: I don't think there was any bull in Captain Americas diary that screwed anyone over.
Since his father came to India and met Dr Sarin maybe they tried to make some kind of deal, I don't know.
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Hi guys Need2BTaller from old forum . I guess it shouldn't matter if I use the same user name since I've been banned. Hope this new forum grow in the near future. Cheers guys.
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Who is this certain patient you're referring to here?
I will do a proper post on this next week, with full details.
Our forum is about open discussions, the person is still welcome to stay here and give his side of the story. I will let members make up their own mind about which version is closer to the truth.
Sysop has created a topic that is clearly addressing Dameon's post.
Apotheosis is just pissing away the groundwork that was actually done in the previous years by the original admin old forum A.
Conveniently he refuse to discuss the part where he is financially gaining from partnerships with doctors and manufacturers, that's his real intention for all his time and money.
We all have a general knowledge of what are the good and bad doctors already. It's very straightforward nowadays to choose a doctor as long as you have the money and time.
Ironically the uncertain doctors are those recently recommended by Crazy6 and Apotheosis as they turn out to be sloppy or unqualified.
I can also confirm that Apotheosis is now logging into member accounts, and even replying to their PM inbox if he choose to.
Folks, be careful of what you write in PM as Apotheosis may even reply on your behalf and then delete the message so you never knew it was there.
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I can also confirm that Apotheosis is now logging into member accounts, and even replying to their PM inbox if he choose to.
Folks, be careful of what you write in PM as Apotheosis may even reply on your behalf and then delete the message so you never knew it was there.
We should check our emails because it will show us our original PM in case he does edit or delete them.
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I believe the exposure/interview of Cosmetic Limb Lengthening on 20/20 given by Apotheosis/SysOp and his purchase of old forum was a ploy to reel in future patients. He utilizes his "Admin" powers to recommend certain doctors that he knows he will make a profit from. In normal cases, that would be fine and not be a big deal. But the fact that he "recommends" these doctors who hasn't even proven their worthiness of full appraisal is down right scary and ultimately it will affect us future LL'ers and not SysOp.
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I wonder if Dr. Sringari will be put on the Recommend List, or is it a matter of when will he be put on it. As long as they're using the Betz bone, I doubt Apotheosis would care who the doctor is.
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Hello,
I am using my same username as on old forum "krin0610" and was banned just because I was curious to know why some posts were amended/re-edited and why Sysop was deleting some comments ... I also questioned Dr Sringari's legitimacy ... etc.
All my posts (e.g. attached) were ultimately removed and I was silently banned.
Thanks
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Hello,
I am using my same username as on old forum "krin0610" and was banned just because I was curious to know why some posts were amended/re-edited and why Sysop was deleting some comments ... I also questioned Dr Sringari's legitimacy ... etc.
All my posts (e.g. attached) were ultimately removed and I was silently banned.
Thanks
Not surprising after learning about Sysop/Apotheosis's unethical practices. I hope karma bites him in the ass and he loses all his money on his "investments".
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Hello,
I am using my same username as on old forum "krin0610" and was banned just because I was curious to know why some posts were amended/re-edited and why Sysop was deleting some comments ... I also questioned Dr Sringari's legitimacy ... etc.
All my posts (e.g. attached) were ultimately removed and I was silently banned.
Thanks
Not surprising after learning about Sysop/Apotheosis's unethical practices. I hope karma bites him in the ass and he loses all his money on his "investments".
I'd like to see him do prison-time for using people's legs as guinea-pigs, along with crazy+6. Oh and any money they made would be used to compensate their victims.
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Hello,
I am using my same username as on old forum "krin0610" and was banned just because I was curious to know why some posts were amended/re-edited and why Sysop was deleting some comments ... I also questioned Dr Sringari's legitimacy ... etc.
All my posts (e.g. attached) were ultimately removed and I was silently banned.
Thanks
Not surprising after learning about Sysop/Apotheosis's unethical practices. I hope karma bites him in the ass and he loses all his money on his "investments".
I'd like to see him do prison-time for using people's legs as guinea-pigs, along with crazy+6. Oh and any money they made would be used to compensate their victims.
Legally speaking (and no pun intended) we don't have a leg to stand on as far as I am aware. This to me is the biggest risk. Different country, different rules. Ultimately we chose to do this to ourselves. I cannot see any court in a foreign country prosecuting a native surgeon because some guy wanted their legs longer.
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Legally speaking (and no pun intended) we don't have a leg to stand on as far as I am aware. This to me is the biggest risk. Different country, different rules. Ultimately we chose to do this to ourselves. I cannot see any court in a foreign country prosecuting a native surgeon because some guy wanted their legs longer.
I'm no legal expert but you never know, people have filed lawsuits for much lesser things and gotten compensations and rulings in their favour. Also any type of fraud or conspiracy related crimes would be prosecuted in many countries, especially USA.
By having a recommended/not recommended list , Apotheosiss could be sued as he is advising patients and could be held responsible for their results when things go wrong.
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Greetings,
I just registered, but I am not ready to use my old forum username and possibly get banned. I am completely neutral in this fracas. Just want to get taller safely and I wish people would be honest, objective, and supportive without all the personal BS and ulterior motives. Hope this is where that will happen and stay that way,
Anyhow, almost all mentions of "Sarin" on old forum have been changed to "Withheld" and all of the Sarin diaries except for Sweden's and Crazy's, and Mmn_native (he's a Sarin patient, right?) have been deleted.
God, this is sooooo frustrating! And for those of us were planning/considering having this done someday soon, extremely unnerving/troubling/frightening.
Anyone know what's going on?
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UPDATE: Another search-and-replace was done and now all previous mentions of "Sarin" read as "my doctor", as in "I had surgery with Dr. my doctor last year"
WTF?!?!
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The only constant thing I keep seeing is that Sarin cannot be trusted. It is almost as if this forum is confused. On the one hand people are saying that old forum is deleting any reference to Sarin and this is wrong. Then you have a whole topic and posts dedicated to Sarin disasters with total knee replacements being required and no one recovering from him and he has been making threats, etc.
I think we really need to make up our minds here. If the stuff about Sarin is true, then in many ways what SysOp did is correct by removing any reference to him and preventing people from choosing him. On the flip side however, if what is written about Sarin on LL Forum is false and he is actually a good doctor, then this site itself has false information. I mean what the hell is going on?
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The only constant thing I keep seeing is that Sarin cannot be trusted. It is almost as if this forum is confused. On the one hand people are saying that old forum is deleting any reference to Sarin and this is wrong. Then you have a whole topic and posts dedicated to Sarin disasters with total knee replacements being required and no one recovering from him and he has been making threats, etc.
I think we really need to make up our minds here. If the stuff about Sarin is true, then in many ways what SysOp did is correct by removing any reference to him and preventing people from choosing him. On the flip side however, if what is written about Sarin on LL Forum is false and he is actually a good doctor, then this site itself has false information. I mean what the hell is going on?
Actually, let's get some thing clear, here's the simple summary
1) BOTH Sarin and Apotheosis/Sysop cannot be trusted.
2) Sarin is a unprofessional doctor, he has threaten patients indirectly, brush off their concerns and alot of complications with his patients are not reported. This was mentioned in the first post if you read it carefully again.
3) Sysop/Apotheosis is a salesman for Betz Nail and is using old forum as advertising portal by endorsing fake diaries and censoring any questions regarding his own agenda.
4) In 2011 Sysop/Apotheosis purchased the website from old forum A (the original admin). In 2012 Sysop/Apotheosis made 20/20 TV appearance to promote old forum website.
5) It is possible Sysop/Apotheosis had a financial disagreement with Sarin when the doctor decided to use his own HLN Nail for surgeries instead of the Betz nail which Apotheosis is financially profiting from. It's also happen that this was around the time that complains about Sarin were coming out in the open on old forum .
6) It appears the main purpose of Apotheosis trip to India was actually to set up partnerships with more doctors so that he can profit from the Betz nail when they are used on patients.
7) The Phantom is a fake diary and Apotheosis allows it because he has a partnership with Dr Sringari. Apotheosis/Sysop also recommend Harke and LL Forumorlife to go to Dr Sringari. All of this is to kick start a new wave of patients for Dr Sringari.
8-) Sarin was promoted to recommended list very easily and various people voice out against it only for Apotheosis/Sysop to reply something about not needing so long and he had "his own criteria". Now Sarin will be moved to not recommended list, according to latest post by Apotheosis/Sysop. What happens to those people who just went on his recommendation to Sarin?
9) That just shows you how the recommended/not recommended list has no credibility and is just a plaything for Apotheosis/Sysop to leverage against doctors whom he is not in favor with. He changes it as he wishes and account to nobody, is that the kind of person you want trust your legs with? .
Right away, it's a bad sign when somebody can delete many diaries with no accountability and no explanations. There are other bad doctors, did you see their diaries deleted? Nope, they are still archived.
10) It's my belief that Apotheosis got cold feet when he saw the above post about legal actions against him, thus today he suddenly deleted all reference to Sarin which are possible evidence. What coincidence timing.
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The only constant thing I keep seeing is that Sarin cannot be trusted. It is almost as if this forum is confused. On the one hand people are saying that old forum is deleting any reference to Sarin and this is wrong. Then you have a whole topic and posts dedicated to Sarin disasters with total knee replacements being required and no one recovering from him and he has been making threats, etc.
I think we really need to make up our minds here. If the stuff about Sarin is true, then in many ways what SysOp did is correct by removing any reference to him and preventing people from choosing him. On the flip side however, if what is written about Sarin on LL Forum is false and he is actually a good doctor, then this site itself has false information. I mean what the hell is going on?
People are going to find out about particular LL doctors regardless if them being on a website or not. If someone decides to get his lengthening done in India and does a google search having to do with lengthening in India, Sarin's website will be one of the first to pop up. I think it's better that we keep info about particular doctors out in the open.
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The only constant thing I keep seeing is that Sarin cannot be trusted. It is almost as if this forum is confused. On the one hand people are saying that old forum is deleting any reference to Sarin and this is wrong. Then you have a whole topic and posts dedicated to Sarin disasters with total knee replacements being required and no one recovering from him and he has been making threats, etc.
I think we really need to make up our minds here. If the stuff about Sarin is true, then in many ways what SysOp did is correct by removing any reference to him and preventing people from choosing him. On the flip side however, if what is written about Sarin on LL Forum is false and he is actually a good doctor, then this site itself has false information. I mean what the hell is going on?
The only true truth is that Sypsop is editing posts on old forum and using fake accounts for this. Furthermore, Sysop was also using some genuine accounts - especially Dr sarin's patient accounts and was posting wrong/fake stories. Thus, you will only read comments/posts that he wants you to read for his own financial gain ... I know what I am talking about cause Sypsop amended some of my posts to reflect his line of thoughts and when I questioned him, I got banned and my post ultimately got deleted.
With regards to LL Forum and Dr Sarin, I can only say that I am currently a Dr Sarin's patient who has no interest in promoting Dr sarin (by the way, I was among the ones who used to complain about conditions in Dr Sarin's guest-house). Conditions in the guest-house have since significantly improved ... Concerning the medical side or Dr Sarin's skills, I think people should be honest and acknowledged that Dr Sarin is a very experienced and qualified doctor although he might appear sometimes careless ... let me explain: Dr Sarin, due to his experience & knowledge, tend sometimes to use the phrase "it's normal or it's OK" without further explanation ... I guess this is because from experience, he knows that there is nothing to worry about ... but what he forgot is that for patients, all these are new. On the other hand, I also I have to say that Dr Sarin is always available on Whatsapp for example and always reply instantly when a medical concern is brought to his attention.
I have been in the guest-house for just over 2 months and I have seen 3 patients (Americans) going back home walking ... of course not walking fully recovered as they were just like 5,6,7 months post surgery (not post frame removal).
Now, it's down to individual really to make up their mind ...
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i just want to mention 1 thing .... the photo on phantoms diary on page 3 is the exact same one i saw in in Crazy+6 diary. i didn't want to mention anything on old forum but theres definitely some legitimacy in your post and i thank you for that.
your not a snitch for sarin thats for sure ... so i wish u luck with the forum
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The only constant thing I keep seeing is that Sarin cannot be trusted. It is almost as if this forum is confused. On the one hand people are saying that old forum is deleting any reference to Sarin and this is wrong. Then you have a whole topic and posts dedicated to Sarin disasters with total knee replacements being required and no one recovering from him and he has been making threats, etc.
I think we really need to make up our minds here. If the stuff about Sarin is true, then in many ways what SysOp did is correct by removing any reference to him and preventing people from choosing him. On the flip side however, if what is written about Sarin on LL Forum is false and he is actually a good doctor, then this site itself has false information. I mean what the hell is going on?
The only true truth is that Sypsop is editing posts on old forum and using fake accounts for this. Furthermore, Sysop was also using some genuine accounts - especially Dr sarin's patient accounts and was posting wrong/fake stories. Thus, you will only read comments/posts that he wants you to read for his own financial gain ... I know what I am talking about cause Sypsop amended some of my posts to reflect his line of thoughts and when I questioned him, I got banned and my post ultimately got deleted.
With regards to LL Forum and Dr Sarin, I can only say that I am currently a Dr Sarin's patient who has no interest in promoting Dr sarin (by the way, I was among the ones who used to complain about conditions in Dr Sarin's guest-house). Conditions in the guest-house have since significantly improved ... Concerning the medical side or Dr Sarin's skills, I think people should be honest and acknowledged that Dr Sarin is a very experienced and qualified doctor although he might appear sometimes careless ... let me explain: Dr Sarin, due to his experience & knowledge, tend sometimes to use the phrase "it's normal or it's OK" without further explanation ... I guess this is because from experience, he knows that there is nothing to worry about ... but what he forgot is that for patients, all these are new. On the other hand, I also I have to say that Dr Sarin is always available on Whatsapp for example and always reply instantly when a medical concern is brought to his attention.
I have been in the guest-house for just over 2 months and I have seen 3 patients (Americans) going back home walking ... of course not walking fully recovered as they were just like 5,6,7 months post surgery (not post frame removal).
Now, it's down to individual really to make up their mind ...
So what do you think of the posts here about Sarin?
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I also remember reading LL ForumorLife (current patient of Doctor Sringari) was desperately openly asking for sponsorship for his limb lengthening surgery back in Middle of July, the thread title was
"Can anyone sponsor my LL surgery with Dr. Sarin" and he posted that "Hey can anyone sponsor my LL surgery with Dr. Sarin I am only $4000 short"
Since Dr Sarin price increase was only announced in late July, that mean he was $4000 short of the previous price of $15000.
One month later, he is paying for surgery with Dr Sringari which also cost $15000. Btw, the average yearly income of a Indian person is around $1000 USD. That would mean like he was able to raise alot of money relatively speaking for an Indian in just one month.
His first diary post "First of all I owe a lot to SysOp as he referred me to Dr. Sringari and without SysOp this wouldn't have been possible."
Interesting stuff, considering all the stuff that we now know about Sringari and Sysop/Apotheosis.
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i just want to mention 1 thing .... the photo on phantoms diary on page 3 is the exact same one i saw in in Crazy+6 diary. i didn't want to mention anything on old forum but theres definitely some legitimacy in your post and i thank you for that.
your not a snitch for sarin thats for sure ... so i wish u luck with the forum
HAHA!!! Maybe someone is posting pictures of old patients from Dr Sarin =D
OMG!! It could be. Bc Dr Sarin used those frames before and frankly - WHY is EVERYTHING exactly the same as it was in the guesthouse of Dr Sarin when I was there? Come on, EVEN THE PAINTINGS ON THE WALL??!!
That's just hilarious!!
Im not saying it's like that but it sure is suspicious!
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nai10 posted on old forum about Apotheosis/Sysop and it was then deleted. Quite a few people saw the post too. I have attached screenshot below.
I am starting to wonder about Gladitator2012, he seem to be in every post defending Apotheosis/Sysop. Maybe he is a worker of Dr Sringari (perhaps Harry or Sunny) that could explain why. Attached a screenshot of his latest post, which is definitely laughable. Talking about clones, impartiality. ethical responsibility when Crazy6/Phantom and Apotheosis/Sysop are running old forum ....Wtf, Lol.
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I have been reading this forum as guest and my question is same.
When this forum is created in the name of:-
1) Ethics
2) No censorship
3) No lies
4) No hidden things
then why Dameon is copying diary of Captain America without his knowledge ???
On one side you are creating topics for hating Dr. Sarin with the help of old/existing patient and other side you are asking Sarin's patients to write diary here and reestablish Sarin in market ? why ?
I mean what the hell is going on ? Why aren't we in one stand that Dr. Sarin is not a good doctor.
Replied In : http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=7.msg100#msg100
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Hey randy28, welcome to the forum, please read all posts thoroughly. I will answer your questions right here.
1) The forum is created with several ethos, which are quite different from what you have listed, they are actually
- Patient's Well Being
- Community Driven
- Quality Of Information
- Free Of Censorship
I will further expand on these in a future post.
2) Captain America diary was deleted from old forum by Sysop/Apotheosis along with almost all Sarin related diaries except for Crazy/Sweden. That's why I republish them as they provide information about limb lengthening but are no longer available.
3) I am neutral about doctors, that's why you can see both good and bad things about doctors. The forum allows people to express a wide range of honest opinions and thoughts.
I certainly welcome posts by legit patients of every doctor, the forum is here to for them to share information and let both sides of the story be told, instead of an egoist dictator deleting topics and silencing people.
After all, what's the point of a community forum if members are afraid to discuss openly and resort to self censorship ? Are we in North Korea or something? Nope.
I also mentioned that there will be no official recommended doctors list, this is to prevent any form of bias or financial deals. Plus a recommended list also encourage lazy decision making.
4) Personally I'm an advocate of meeting multiple doctors and their patients in person as a key aspect of the decision making process, much more than reading things on the internet. Do not make decisions solely based on what you read online as this is a risky surgery. I have written about it in 'How To Choose A Limb Lengthening Doctor - A Simple No Frills Guide'
Anyone who is serious about limb lengthening surgery must understand that it cost alot of time, money and pain, do yourself a favor and be an responsible adult. Get off the computer and book flights to check things out in person before committing to anything.
Ultimately people should be allowed to make up their own minds as independent adults, not have one patient (Apotheosis) decide what's right and what's wrong for everyone. Especially when this person has motives related to finance and not well-being of others.
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I also remember reading LL ForumorLife (current patient of Doctor Sringari) was desperately openly asking for sponsorship for his limb lengthening surgery back in Middle of July, the thread title was
"Can anyone sponsor my LL surgery with Dr. Sarin" and he posted that "Hey can anyone sponsor my LL surgery with Dr. Sarin I am only $4000 short"
Since Dr Sarin price increase was only announced in late July, that mean he was $4000 short of the previous price of $15000.
One month later, he is paying for surgery with Dr Sringari which also cost $15000. Btw, the average yearly income of a Indian person is around $1000 USD. That would mean like he was able to raise alot of money relatively speaking for an Indian in just one month.
His first diary post "First of all I owe a lot to SysOp as he referred me to Dr. Sringari and without SysOp this wouldn't have been possible."
Interesting stuff, considering all the stuff that we now know about Sringari and Sysop/Apotheosis.
LL ForumorLife was the guinea pig patient for Sringari. I believe he was the first real patient diary. He probably had a deal with Sringari to have the surgery even though we was $5000 short, as long as he promoted him on old forum (similar to what Crazy+6 did to promote Sarin in the beginning). I remember this LL ForumorLife kid threatening to kill himself on old forum if somebody didn't sponsor him so that he can have LL...Definitely an easy target for a doctor to prey on
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I also remember reading LL ForumorLife (current patient of Doctor Sringari) was desperately openly asking for sponsorship for his limb lengthening surgery back in Middle of July, the thread title was
"Can anyone sponsor my LL surgery with Dr. Sarin" and he posted that "Hey can anyone sponsor my LL surgery with Dr. Sarin I am only $4000 short"
Since Dr Sarin price increase was only announced in late July, that mean he was $4000 short of the previous price of $15000.
One month later, he is paying for surgery with Dr Sringari which also cost $15000. Btw, the average yearly income of a Indian person is around $1000 USD. That would mean like he was able to raise alot of money relatively speaking for an Indian in just one month.
His first diary post "First of all I owe a lot to SysOp as he referred me to Dr. Sringari and without SysOp this wouldn't have been possible."
Interesting stuff, considering all the stuff that we now know about Sringari and Sysop/Apotheosis.
LL ForumorLife was the guinea pig patient for Sringari. I believe he was the first real patient diary. He probably had a deal with Sringari to have the surgery even though we was $5000 short, as long as he promoted him on old forum (similar to what Crazy+6 did to promote Sarin in the beginning). I remember this LL ForumorLife kid threatening to kill himself on old forum if somebody didn't sponsor him so that he can have LL...Definitely an easy target for a doctor to prey on
Someone asked LL ForumorLife was he threatening to kill himself and he said he wasn't. He just has a bad way with words because it's not his native language. I believe it was SysOp who took advantage the situation to use him as a guinea pig.
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hahahaha NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE ..... i remember LL ForumorLife he came on old forum asking people for money so he can do the surgery(gave some sad story about how his mother only has $10000 or something).
SSOOOOOO this is the guy SysOp chose for his experiment .. LOL
honestly i have to give Sysop a pass here ... if that guy was desperate i think he actually might have helped him out .... but what NOT cool is SysOp deleted all his posts ...i remember responding to him and now i can't find any of his post.
dude just be honest .... do you know what the meaning of "CONFLICT OF INTEREST IS" ?? ... yeh you deserve a medal for promoting LL but didnt you say in the past that you never made a cent from old forum ... thats not honesty ... personally i dont care if you make a million dollars from old forum ... as long as your honest .... SysOp in you latest thread you ask "What is your argument?"
"CONFLICT OF INTEREST IS" ... is my argument ... what you did in that phantom thread is 100% deceit ... address that bud.
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Exactly! Sysop/Apotheosis said he never make any money off old forum and all that crap. Turn out it was all lies, what a scumbag.
Now Apotheosis is recommending people to unqualified doctors so he and the doctor can profit financially ? Seriously? Playing with people's long term ability to walk with their legs?
Just to clear any doubts about what LL Forumorlife posted, I've attached the screenshot below. Btw, I realized that guest members cannot see attached screenshots. Guess that's a special right of registered members, good idea in my opinion.
It's likely Apotheosis-Sysop is the guy behind the 'sponsorship', as he was given special thanks.
It make me laugh when diary of patients start to make LL seem like a fun holiday process, you know when they start posting alot of smiley faces, talk about parties and post pictures of gym workout ? Can't teach old dog new tricks as they say.
Take everything LL ForumorLife writes with a huge pinch of salt.
Good news folks, Dr Sringari is gonna be on the "recommended doctor list" soon, SOMEHOW I can see this happening. LOL.
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The only constant thing I keep seeing is that Sarin cannot be trusted. It is almost as if this forum is confused. On the one hand people are saying that old forum is deleting any reference to Sarin and this is wrong. Then you have a whole topic and posts dedicated to Sarin disasters with total knee replacements being required and no one recovering from him and he has been making threats, etc.
I think we really need to make up our minds here. If the stuff about Sarin is true, then in many ways what SysOp did is correct by removing any reference to him and preventing people from choosing him. On the flip side however, if what is written about Sarin on LL Forum is false and he is actually a good doctor, then this site itself has false information. I mean what the hell is going on?
The only true truth is that Sypsop is editing posts on old forum and using fake accounts for this. Furthermore, Sysop was also using some genuine accounts - especially Dr sarin's patient accounts and was posting wrong/fake stories. Thus, you will only read comments/posts that he wants you to read for his own financial gain ... I know what I am talking about cause Sypsop amended some of my posts to reflect his line of thoughts and when I questioned him, I got banned and my post ultimately got deleted.
With regards to LL Forum and Dr Sarin, I can only say that I am currently a Dr Sarin's patient who has no interest in promoting Dr sarin (by the way, I was among the ones who used to complain about conditions in Dr Sarin's guest-house). Conditions in the guest-house have since significantly improved ... Concerning the medical side or Dr Sarin's skills, I think people should be honest and acknowledged that Dr Sarin is a very experienced and qualified doctor although he might appear sometimes careless ... let me explain: Dr Sarin, due to his experience & knowledge, tend sometimes to use the phrase "it's normal or it's OK" without further explanation ... I guess this is because from experience, he knows that there is nothing to worry about ... but what he forgot is that for patients, all these are new. On the other hand, I also I have to say that Dr Sarin is always available on Whatsapp for example and always reply instantly when a medical concern is brought to his attention.
I have been in the guest-house for just over 2 months and I have seen 3 patients (Americans) going back home walking ... of course not walking fully recovered as they were just like 5,6,7 months post surgery (not post frame removal).
Now, it's down to individual really to make up their mind ...
So what do you think of the posts here about Sarin?
I thought I expressed my opinion about this in the second paragraph of my post "With regards to LL Forum and Dr Sarin ...".
Anyway, let me address some specific posts about Dr Sarin:
Sarin is a unprofessional doctor, he has threaten patients indirectly, brush off their concerns and alot of complications with his patients are not reported. This was mentioned in the first post if you read it carefully again.
Personally, I have never been threaten in any ways by Dr Sarin, nor have I ever heard someone complaining to have been threaten. As I said in my post, I am among patients who were always complaining when things were not going well in the new Dr sarin's guest-house ... On the medical side, I even posted on old forum a comment in relation to the "it's OK, it's normal" attitude and never this was subject to a threat and I have always been treated with absolute dignity.
You can also read plenty other posts on old forum from Dr sarin patients complaining about some careless situations like the malaria case or the bending frame etc etc. These patients were here with us and they had everything in their room including TV with Sat Box for international channels (just like me now). The account of one of these patients was ultimately used (hijacked) by Sysop to give very bad feedback about Dr Sarin (Sysop knew that people will believe because that patient used to be truthful in his posts) but it turned out that, that last post was not from the patient himself and that patient (who has now left the guest-house walking and happy of his surgery and recovery) was very upset with Sysop since the patient felt like he had been manipulated by Sysop throughout all this time.
The other example is my current room-mate who wrote around 2 months ago a very honest post about Dr sarin's new guest-house conditions (where he pointed some careless attitude) on old forum ... The funny thing is that Dr sarin once, came to our room to directly address some concerns that this boy (20 old) had as he wanted to speak to his parents using the internet but the connection was not stable ... Dr sarin personally intervened and today in our room, we have not only a very good internet connection, but also a large TV with international channels where I can watch all European major soccer leagues, a stable air con, an automated electric generator etc etc.
So to conclude, I don't believe in the theory of Dr Sarin "threaten patients indirectly". However, and this is probably common sense, People will probably tend not to post anything too negative about the doctor while they are still in frames for fear that the doctor will not like them and do a careless job on them. This is just patients using common sense to watch out for themselves but we have plenty proofs on old forum that Dr Sarin patients were also posting unpleasant experiences when they were happening.
Finally as I said, I have no motivation whatsoever in promoting or discrediting Dr Sarin ... I have been honest and I believe that it's down to each individual to carry out proper investigation before making up their mind!
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Exactly! Sysop/Apotheosis said he never make any money off old forum and all that crap. Turn out it was all lies, what a scumbag.
Now Apotheosis is recommending people to unqualified doctors so he and the doctor can profit financially ? Seriously? Playing with people's long term ability to walk with their legs?
Just to clear any doubts about what LL Forumorlife posted, I've attached the screenshot below. Btw, I realized that guest members cannot see attached screenshots. Guess that's a special right of registered members, good idea in my opinion.
It's likely Apotheosis-Sysop is the guy behind the 'sponsorship', as he was given special thanks.
It make me laugh when diary of patients start to make LL seem like a fun holiday process, you know when they start posting alot of smiley faces, talk about parties and post pictures of gym workout ? Can't teach old dog new tricks as they say.
Take everything LL ForumorLife writes with a huge pinch of salt.
Good news folks, Dr Sringari is gonna be on the "recommended doctor list" soon, SOMEHOW I can see this happening. LOL.
Dr. Sringari may end up on the recommended list, that wouldn't surprise me. Sysop is already planning to add Dr. Lee though.
As far as Sysop/Apotheosis is concerned, that guy has always been a huge bull ter. Look back on that 20/20 special where Apotheosis advertised old forum to the world. He goes on old forum and makes the procedure look as easy as getting taller with "just a click", yet he was likely walking with a cane or on crutches when he was interviewed. Then he says how his dating life has gotten loads better since getting the operation. Really? I call bs on that one too. He had two operations, meaning the recovery time from each op has to be at least a year, needs prosthetic devices, 24-hour nurses, medications, assistance to use the restroom - all not covered by insurance - the guy likely spent at least $250,000 for all this. Where does all that money come from? Well, he's making most of it back and then some by getting a cut from what people pay to go to his recommended doctors.
If he really did lengthen both segments for a total of 8 inches - and who's to say how much he really did lengthen judging from how much the guy has conned people - then he is no doubt living with very negative physical repercussions. I'm not convinced that he will ever get back to his prior strength and that he doesn't/won't have major side effects on his blood vessels and nerves, not to mention the huge disparity in the length of his torso with the length of his legs. He's likely living with a ton of problems and is not likely to admit that he made a mistake lengthening that much.
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He's likely living with a ton of problems and is not likely to admit that he made a mistake lengthening that much.
For some reason, they never do. There are plenty of reason why there is a 5cm-rule. I remember it very well myself when passing 5cm. All of my knee problems and ankle pain started right after 5cm. Now I suffer real bad from doing improper physio when going for +7cm.
My legs also looked very weird from the beginning but now when I added some muscles to them and got more used to them I'm starting to like them again. =)
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Hey guys
TomD here. Formally 'chaz'
Remember me? I am one of the guys with a good rep who magically just doesnt post there anymore.
Why? Banned but he doesnt want his followers to know he is banning good members for no reason.
I told him he is NOT a doctor, nor any governing body to make decisions over how doctors conduct their surgeries. He goes to India but comes back in a huff without any evidence and just gets rid of Dr Sarin
You have to be forrest gump to be dumb enough to believe that is for a legitmate reason. He tells it like he spends thousands and goes all the way to India out of the goodness of his heart to make sure everyone is ok.
Again, he is NOT a doctor and has no say of any of this. He is supposed to be running an objective website designed for individuals to tell their stories.
Not crop the replies like a fascist dictator.
Does anyone know his real name and where I can find this guy? I have a solution for him.
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Hey guys
TomD here. Formally 'chaz'
Remember me? I am one of the guys with a good rep who magically just doesnt post there anymore.
I remember being online when SysOp deleted your post. I think that was after when I found out SysOp was up to no good.
Why? Banned but he doesnt want his followers to know he is banning good members for no reason.
Oh, he did ban you for a good reason, you knew too much.
I told him he is NOT a doctor, nor any governing body to make decisions over how doctors conduct their surgeries. He goes to India but comes back in a huff without any evidence and just gets rid of Dr Sarin
You have to be forrest gump to be dumb enough to believe that is for a legitmate reason. He tells it like he spends thousands and goes all the way to India out of the goodness of his heart to make sure everyone is ok.
Again, he is NOT a doctor and has no say of any of this. He is supposed to be running an objective website designed for individuals to tell their stories.
Not crop the replies like a fascist dictator.
Does anyone know his real name and where I can find this guy? I have a solution for him.
Don't know his real name (perhaps someone whom met him in India might?), but I know he lives in New York - a read of his diary will tell you that.
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Hey TomD. I believe I was also banned the same time you were banned. We both saw ColinTheSmalls post exposing SysOp. we gave our non biased opinions, only to find out we were "hushed" immediately.
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I know. He wont give any specifics nor allow any patient to defend themselves and certainly wont let the doctor come set it straight.
And when you sit back and think about it, the guy has no credentials to be 'endorsing' anyone. He is not a doctor nor a medical administrator of any kind. He is a guy who is the operator of a website that anyone can start and operate.
He is deluded into thinking his website is going to make him a million bucks.
Have no fear. I am going to copy all the diaries and put them up here.Then invite the guys who put them up to come to this forum . In fact, I will just re copy every single topic onto this one. He has no 'copyright' on peoples diaries.
We can simply strip down any leverage he has. We can then ask the doctors to advertise the proper way on here. Take a small ad on the side. Just put a disclaimer on here that we dont vouch for any doctor and the patient diaries are the best way to gauge.
This way whoever started this site can make a few bucks but wont be a conflict of interest to steer anyone anywhere.
I will give $100 to anyone who tells me where sysop address and his real name.
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I know. He wont give any specifics nor allow any patient to defend themselves and certainly wont let the doctor come set it straight.
And when you sit back and think about it, the guy has no credentials to be 'endorsing' anyone. He is not a doctor nor a medical administrator of any kind. He is a guy who is the operator of a website that anyone can start and operate.
He is deluded into thinking his website is going to make him a million bucks.
It could after a while, depending on how much his royalties on the Betz Bone are. I actually have no problem with him making money from Betz patients, it's the trying to get unproven doctors to use his product and using patients legs as guinea pigs to test a doctor's competence that I want to see him in prison for.
This way whoever started this site can make a few bucks but wont be a conflict of interest to steer anyone anywhere.
I will give $100 to anyone who tells me where sysop address and his real name.
You live in America, you could try making a few bucks yourself by going to ABC News, or a rival news station, and tell them everything.
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In other news, someone asked why they could no longer see the diaries of Calic and Captain America and this is his response. Full of crap as usual.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img196/7890/rkkg.jpg)
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I say we go copy all the patient diaries from old forum and then just carry on with this forum.
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I know. He wont give any specifics nor allow any patient to defend themselves and certainly wont let the doctor come set it straight.
And when you sit back and think about it, the guy has no credentials to be 'endorsing' anyone. He is not a doctor nor a medical administrator of any kind. He is a guy who is the operator of a website that anyone can start and operate.
We can then ask the doctors to advertise the proper way on here. Take a small ad on the side. Just put a disclaimer on here that we dont vouch for any doctor and the patient diaries are the best way to gauge.
This way whoever started this site can make a few bucks but wont be a conflict of interest to steer anyone anywhere.
Hey TomD, welcome to the forum.
So Sysop/Apotheosis wants to be a medical quack, then he shall deal with the consequences.
I'm always open to suggestions and feedback, but considering what has happened on old forum , there will be no financial dealings or paid advertising of any sort with any doctors. I believe this is what the majority here will support and feel comfortable with. Our priority is honest information and well-being of patients.
The reasons are covered in the topic "State of old forum - Why We Have Lost Trust".
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As far as Sysop/Apotheosis is concerned, that guy has always been a huge bull ter. Look back on that 20/20 special where Apotheosis advertised old forum to the world. He goes on old forum and makes the procedure look as easy as getting taller with "just a click", yet he was likely walking with a cane or on crutches when he was interviewed. Then he says how his dating life has gotten loads better since getting the operation. Really? I call bs on that one too. He had two operations, meaning the recovery time from each op has to be at least a year, needs prosthetic devices, 24-hour nurses, medications, assistance to use the restroom - all not covered by insurance - the guy likely spent at least $250,000 for all this. Where does all that money come from? Well, he's making most of it back and then some by getting a cut from what people pay to go to his recommended doctors.
If he really did lengthen both segments for a total of 8 inches - and who's to say how much he really did lengthen judging from how much the guy has conned people - then he is no doubt living with very negative physical repercussions. I'm not convinced that he will ever get back to his prior strength and that he doesn't/won't have major side effects on his blood vessels and nerves, not to mention the huge disparity in the length of his torso with the length of his legs. He's likely living with a ton of problems and is not likely to admit that he made a mistake lengthening that much.
Agreed. It's ironic that Apotheosis and Crazy6 have turned old forum to what it is nowadays. Look at Tall, another patient who lengthen so much and is blatantly advertising Dr M all over his signature. No special relationship? Yea right.
There seems to be a pattern here... maybe it's the psychological effect of lengthening so much? It like these people can't move on with their lives and are still stuck in the LL bubble. They don't come off as happier. Look at Sysop/Apotheosis, he's like always on the forum all day, doesn't he have a job or social life?
As far as dating goes, there's alot of myth on old forum that height increase means getting laid. Haha. Very overrated.
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CRAZY 6 and sysop are making money by old forum .now they are partners with dr. sringari
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If Christian had been upfront about the fact he wants to sell good products (and he could reasonably vouch for the internals he personally had done to himself) , I would be completely onboard with that.
I would even look into it personally, even though it would be too pricy for me.
He uses the old forum site as some kind of personal wealth tool instead of trying to help us. The idea of banning anyone and everyone who 'cuts his grass' to me is myopic and childish. It crosses a line of ridiculous.
He obviously knows nothing about how business relationships work. He burns all his bridges.
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Hey guys, just wanted to let everyone know that everything Daemon has posted is accurate to the best of my knowledge. Glad someone decided to make and moderate an alternative to old forum , this is something that myself and captain and stewarthayes had been talking since we learned how corrupt Sysop was.
Gj Daemon.
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We are just getting started buddy. We are going to snag all of the patient diaries from old forum and copy the forum outlay.
But instead we are going to have a 'hands off' approach to the diaries. We can have a complaints section where guys can rant all they want if they back it up with personal experience.
We have no desire to steer anyone anywhere. We are short guys who want to have a safe surgery at a reasonable price.
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old forum has the right to the posts. We arent stealing the posts. We are COPYING them. The words belong to old forum . The actual concepts and thoughts belong to the patient and to anyone who reads it.
The patient could sue if we tried to SELL it and we made a profit which of course we would never do. We arent sysop .
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All the power to you orlandoflorida. :)
If they are your posts, you can ask for them to be taken down.
I am talking about someone like me who has no diary. I dont think sysop has any legal right of financial compensation if I copy the diaries to be used here. Only the patient like yourself could complain.
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Those diaries are the intellectual property of the authors - it's their life they're writing about. In order to copyright something, you have to physically contact your local copyright office an officially copyright them - something SysOp obviously didn't do because I doubt they'd let him, you would need the permission of the authors to copyright them and that obviously didn't happen.
SysOp seems to think that they're copyrighted automatically because he's the owner of the site and everything posted on it belongs to him. That's not how copyright works and that's not how the internet works, either. He also seems to think that American law applies to international issues, which it doesn't, though, a lot of Americans seems to have the same mentality.
There's basically fúck-all SysOp can do about us copying the diaries. I wanted to tell him this outright on his forum, but I fear the banhammer will strike me down. Not to worry, I have several accounts on old forum ;)
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I'm glad I was able to find this forum. I stopped posting on old forum recently because sysop is incredibly shady. He's obviously making money from these doctors. Why else would someone buy a forum? Is he doing it out of the goodness of his heart? No.
The site doesn't even have ads, so it can only make money through advertising doctors. This means that sysop and his gang have an incentive to distort the truth about some of these hack doctors. What a sick and twisted . Now I'm doubting whether I'll ever get this surgery...everything I've read on old forum these last couple years just aren't trustworthy and I'm really sad.
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I'm glad I was able to find this forum. I stopped posting on old forum recently because sysop is incredibly shady. He's obviously making money from these doctors. Why else would someone buy a forum? Is he doing it out of the goodness of his heart? No.
The site doesn't even have ads, so it can only make money through advertising doctors. This means that sysop and his gang have an incentive to distort the truth about some of these hack doctors. What a sick and twisted . Now I'm doubting whether I'll ever get this surgery...everything I've read on old forum these last couple years just aren't trustworthy and I'm really sad.
Don't let those jerks bug you with their crazy antics. There have been successful surgeries way before SysOpotheosis took over. His problem is his greed and misdirections of advice to many members. Members here have enough knowledge and research to carryout in finding good and competent surgeons who can fulfill many of our dreams.
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Don't let those jerks bug you with their crazy antics. There have been successful surgeries way before SysOpotheosis took over. His problem is his greed and misdirections of advice to many members. Members here have enough knowledge and research to carryout in finding good and competent surgeons who can fulfill many of our dreams.
I truly hope so, but it's hard to believe/trust anything anymore. I've never felt this kind of disappointment before.
How do we know that old forum , the previous admin, didn't whore out to doctors or falsify diaries as well?
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I truly hope so, but it's hard to believe/trust anything anymore. I've never felt this kind of disappointment before.
How do we know that old forum , the previous admin, didn't whore out to doctors or falsify diaries as well?
It's a possibility, but that doesn't mean that 100% of what you read is bs. Read essays and medical articles about leg lengthening from legit surgeons experienced in the subspecialty of Ilizarov surgeries, find tips on physiotherapy that have worked for people who have undergone the procedure, but most importantly, when you decide to go through with the surgery you should have a consultation with as many doctors or your first choice doctors. Ask them as many questions as possible and look for any red flags, i.e. the doctor says complications hardly ever happen, surgery is simple, etc.
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The previous Admin was also a douche in that he wouldn't hesitate to ban a member if he didn't like them. But in my opinion that is it. He looked at LL as more of a socializing network, rather than a business venue (Though he did write that book in which I never purchased). The past members gave full written diaries with the good and bad with no censorship. Even had bad diaries written by members who were screwed by their docs with no censorship. The current old forum as of now is nothing but censorship. SysOpotheosis goes to as far as creating fake diaries, censor, edit, and delete any posts trying to reveal his true motive. Any member who has at least a half a brain and speaks up to this gets banned.
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With that being said, Admin whenever you di have the time, it would really be nice to tranafer as many viable information in old forum and structure it over here. That way, new members wouldn't be as lost when embarking into this new forum :D.
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The previous Admin was also a douche in that he wouldn't hesitate to ban a member if he didn't like them. But in my opinion that is it. He looked at LL as more of a socializing network, rather than a business venue (Though he did write that book in which I never purchased). The past members gave full written diaries with the good and bad with no censorship. Even had bad diaries written by members who were screwed by their docs with no censorship. The current old forum as of now is nothing but censorship. SysOpotheosis goes to as far as creating fake diaries, censor, edit, and delete any posts trying to reveal his true motive. Any member who has at least a half a brain and speaks up to this gets banned.
The way Sysopotheosis runs old forum is very similar to the way this pyramid scheme business next door to my office runs their business. They are constantly going through new employees because they prey on the naive young people straight out of college and tell them that they can be millionaires, yet they only pay them commission on sales and don't give them an hourly salary. They hold these rallies and pump everyone up to get them all excited about the business, but eventually everyone realizes it's a lot of crap and leaves. I am friends with someone who used to work there and he was telling me that the hiring department only hires people that they don't think are clever enough to pick up on what's really going on. If they feel you're a really smart person during the interview, they never call you back, and if they do hire you but feel you're catching on to what the reality of the job is, they let you go. Similarly, Sysopotheosis is cool with you if you kiss his butt and go along with everything, but as soon as you ask a question based on something suspicious, you get silenced.
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The previous Admin was also a douche in that he wouldn't hesitate to ban a member if he didn't like them. But in my opinion that is it. He looked at LL as more of a socializing network, rather than a business venue (Though he did write that book in which I never purchased). The past members gave full written diaries with the good and bad with no censorship. Even had bad diaries written by members who were screwed by their docs with no censorship. The current old forum as of now is nothing but censorship. SysOpotheosis goes to as far as creating fake diaries, censor, edit, and delete any posts trying to reveal his true motive. Any member who has at least a half a brain and speaks up to this gets banned.
Yeah, I remember the other Admin banning people he didn't agree with, but he never deleted their posts IIRC. I've honestly never seen anything like this in any old forum...ever. Sysop is a sociopath. I stopped posting the moment he began saying how his job is to promote LL. That's the shadiest crap I've ever seen. He makes it seem as if he's some humanitarian who bought old forum out of the goodness of his heart. He bought the forum to make $$, why else would he buy the place? Nobody buys something to lose money. /rant
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And Tall? I think he is also earning money to prmote his doctor or doing his second LL for free.
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Calic what are your thoughts on
1. Sarin horror stories
2. Dr jamal / jamal nail?
3. censorship from old forum
4. censorship from Sarin?
There arent any Sarin 'horror stories' . That pile of crap Sysopthesis has been shilling has been debunked. There have been issues , but none life threatening and all have been dealt with.
old forum is a pure sales site to make the guy money. The whole site is geared to steering people to specific doctors. You know that. Everyone knows old forum is on its way out as outright fraud.
The BBB, police, and other authorities have been alerted to the fraud there. Its just a matter of time and collecting evidence that they wiLL Forumully pretended to be objective when they were making a kickback off steering patients.
Sensorship from old forum is fraud. The guy thinks he can do whatever he wants .He thinks he can play God by hiding behind a fake name on the internet where nobody can expose his fraud. Unfortunately for him, he has exposed himself to too many people. Its just a matter of time.
I still cant get over the fact , that after all the self serving fraud. The banning of members, the lying about who to steer patients to. The kickbacks for steering. This isnt enough for the guy.
He is so self serving, he has a DONATION BOX for people to give him even more money. Like he is a charity or non profit evoking images of Mother Theresa being so proud.
As for the Jamal nail, I havent heard much about it. I would like to hear more patient testimonials.
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I agree. I followed the old forum for years, and it used to be a very serious and good source of info for future cosmetic leg lengtheners, but now it is just a matter of time for it to go down the drain if SysOp doesn't get his act together and cuts all the bull -- what a shame!
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I think it is cool Sysop wants to push LL forward but the way he is going about it is wrong. Promoting a fake diary for an inexperienced doctor and removing all traces of Dr. Sarin without any legitimate reason is not right.
I will be surprised if there is any member on this forum who doesn't know he did those 2 things purely for his own benefit.
if u still think Dr Sarin was banned because he was incompetent then u have a lot of growing up to do.
I actually like Apo for what he is doing though...Looking at the bigger picture ( assuming he is trying to bring an internal nail to India) then I expect we will all benefit.
Can u imagine an indian Dr using the Betz nail and allowing his patients to Retun home after 3 weeks from surgery and possibly charging under 35K. this would just be great. Whether he makes 5K or more from the deal wont bother me.
One of the hardest things about LL is taking 5-8 months off and living in another country.
I have more income and profits to lose by being away for that long than the actual cost of surgery and PT.
The best thing would be to have precise 2 but since he wont benefit from the use of those nails we cant expect any break throughs with that nail in india.
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I will be surprised if there is any member on this forum who doesn't know he did those 2 things purely for his own benefit.
if u still think Dr Sarin was banned because he was incompetent then u have a lot of growing up to do.
I actually like Apo for what he is doing though...Looking at the bigger picture ( assuming he is trying to bring an internal nail to India) then I expect we will all benefit.
Can u imagine an indian Dr using the Betz nail and allowing his patients to Retun home after 3 weeks from surgery and possibly charging under 35K. this would just be great. Whether he makes 5K or more from the deal wont bother me.
'Apo' presented himself as two people. One who did leg lengthening in Europe as a patient. The other ID he poses as an objective moderator of old forum . Right off the bat he is lying and not operating in good faith. Its misrepresentation and he can be sued.
Then he booted off good members off his site who caught wind of the fact something was wrong and dared asked him about it. He never even answered them. Just disconnected them from the site. That is the way someone who knows they are doing wrong acts out of pure selfishness.
As for bringing the external to India, we here encourage it to be brought to Russia and China to boot. Not just India where we can make a cut as salesmen. I would strongly prefer there were no 'leg lengthening salesmen' at all. Its too drastic a procedure to start involving subjective motives with conflicts of interests.
Maybe one day but not now. :)
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I think it is cool Sysop wants to push LL forward but the way he is going about it is wrong. Promoting a fake diary for an inexperienced doctor and removing all traces of Dr. Sarin without any legitimate reason is not right.
He doesn't want to push leg lengthening forward, he wants to push his nail forward or receive money for allowing doctors to use his website to advertise their businesses. He is driven by nothing but money and greed. Introducing an inexperienced leg lengthening doctor into the fray is counter-productive. Dr. Sringari doesn't know what he doing.
I actually like Apo for what he is doing though...Looking at the bigger picture ( assuming he is trying to bring an internal nail to India) then I expect we will all benefit.
Can u imagine an indian Dr using the Betz nail and allowing his patients to Retun home after 3 weeks from surgery and possibly charging under 35K. this would just be great. Whether he makes 5K or more from the deal wont bother me.
I'm sure a lot of member wished Dr. Sarin selected the Betz bone, but, unfortunately, that isn't the case. So, guess what happened next? They found an inexperienced hip replacement doctor preform leg lengthening surgery on anyone naive enough to go there. There's like, what, 4 people in the guesthouse? What are the chances of these guys ever walking again? We don't know because Dr. Sringari doesn't have a track record.
SysOp and Crazy+6 know this, but all they care about is money. That does not make them nice guys or likeable people, that makes them scumbags with no regard for anyone's life but their own.
You need to wise up, Adriano, you post some awfully stupid things on here and old forum , you're giving Groove311 a good run for his money.
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SysOp and Crazy+6 know this, but all they care about is money. That does not make them nice guys or likeable people, that makes them scumbags with no regard for anyone's life but their own.
I agree, Doucheosis and Crappy +6 are scumbags!!!
You think that if people have gone through LL that they would be genuinely interested in helping others who were like them. But these guys care more about money than they do about you, and they don't care about things like integrity and honor.
I always wondered why some people were on that site so much and contributed so much. It makes sense now. A lot of things make more sense now.
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I always wondered why some people were on that site so much and contributed so much. It makes sense now. A lot of things make more sense now.
I didnt know that Syop was Apo untill i saw this forum.
BUT i always knew that who ever owned the website or forum of old forum was making money of it.
I also knew that all those patients who tend to talk about how great their doctor is have some form of agreement/compensation/reward. Even if i could not tell Apo was syop i knew the two new each other some how and that they were both there to promote betz nails.
There is currently a precise patient in (i think Korea...Walk 6 or something..). His diary is just full of advertsing his doctor. if u think he is doing all that writting out of goodwill then u have been fooled.
You also have members like Tall...well i dont need to go into detail about him.
There is also Stadiometter who seems to be doing some work for the wedbsite for free...Well F that crap.... that dude is also getting paid by someone.
By saying i like what Apo is doing I was obviously refrerring to him trying to bring expensinve & proven nails to india so patients can use these nails at affordable prices. I am not stupid enough to think that a guy will spend all that time and effort if he did not expect to make money out of it.
In this world, if there is no money on the table NOTHING gets done.
If it was not for his actions many patients would have sacrificed their thighs with external devices and gotten horibbly ruined like carazy + 6.
But guess what, most have delayed their femur surgeries because we know that he will soon introduce an internal nail in india. He was very close with Sarin but Sarin decided he wanted a bigger cut from this operations.
I think we should be clear on a few things. His INTENT is what i like. It is his METHODS that i do not agree with.
The failure to disclose that he is not doing things for free and use of fake diaries is not good at all.
As for LL, I stand by some one who once said the surgery itself is not that complicated. We can all think of even more dangerous surgeries going on around the world.
Some Drs like Sinngari do similar prcedures and have a lot of experience. just because they have not done LL for cosmetic reasons does not discredt them.
And wats this thing of always putting down first timers. Yes its very risky but i think the first guinne pig of Singari was that kid who APo/Syoup helped with finances because he could not afford the surgery in the first place.
As far as i can see those 4 patients of Dr Singari appear to be on track for succefull LL. There r many LL docs in india. Just because they have not done it for cosmetic reasons does not mean they should not be given a chance. All experienced LL docs out there once performed their first surgery.
It is good that we have Dr Singari now in india. He will provide competion for Dr Sarin. Dr Sarin's price increased by almost 100% in a few years for no particular reason except he was having a monopoly for cheap LL.
We can Also expect Dr Singari to use betz nails in the near future and put downward pressure on the 35K Dr Sarin is charging for an UNPROVEN nail built with even cheaper material in india.
This is the BIG picture i am talking about. I want internal LL next yr and only Apo at the moment can ensure that i only spend under 40K with a realiable nail.
I am not going to go on and on about how the guy is profiting from alll this. There is nothing for free in this world.
It is also about time we stopped talking about how the guy is scam and all those things. if u ever thought Syoup was pushing LL forward so strangers can benefit while he goes bankrupt then YOU are the fool.
We talk about very interesting things on this forum so lets get back to those conversations.
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hahaha. What the f**k. Thats good we have dr. Shringari in india? Who do not know about LL. .a few month ago he was a knee and hip replacement surgaon and suddenly he pops up in old forum .phanton start promiting him that time. Where is phanton now? This is bull sh**t.. The all patient of dr. Shringri are in bad hand ..
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I didnt know that Syop was Apo untill i saw this forum.
BUT i always knew that who ever owned the website or forum of old forum was making money of it.
In other words you deny knowing he was frauding everyone by pretending to be two people. He is also pretending to be an objective moderator when he is making money off sending people to specific doctors. Its called fraud.
You also suggest everyone should know hes making money off the site except he denies that is his intent and puts up a donation box so that we think the site lives off donations. Sorry. This wont do. His actions are FRAUD. Plain and simple. He never even hints he gets any money from the doctors and in fact bans anyone who dares ask him about it.
I also knew that all those patients who tend to talk about how great their doctor is have some form of agreement/compensation/reward. Even if i could not tell Apo was syop i knew the two new each other some how and that they were both there to promote betz nails.
There is no evidence they admit making money off it and there is no way anyone coming to the site needs to EXPECT some shady deal riddled with kickbacks and other graft.
There is currently a precise patient in (i think Korea...Walk 6 or something..). His diary is just full of adverting his doctor. if u think he is doing all that writting out of goodwill then u have been fooled.
You also have members like Tall...well i dont need to go into detail about him.
There is also Stadiometter who seems to be doing some work for the wedbsite for free...Well F that crap.... that dude is also getting paid by someone.
There is no way anyone can 'surmise' this . These are all actual patients and egro they would naturally have an opinion on these matters. These are called 'patient testimonials'. To find out they have a financial conflict of interest to pimp these doctors and techniques is not normal and is fraud.
By saying i like what Apo is doing I was obviously refrerring to him trying to bring expensinve & proven nails to india so patients can use these nails at affordable prices. I am not stupid enough to think that a guy will spend all that time and effort if he did not expect to make money out of it.
In this world, if there is no money on the table NOTHING gets done.
If it was not for his actions many patients would have sacrificed their thighs with external devices and gotten horibbly ruined like carazy + 6.
But guess what, most have delayed their femur surgeries because we know that he will soon introduce an internal nail in india. He was very close with Sarin but Sarin decided he wanted a bigger cut from this operations.
This part of your post tries to suggest the guy is now a HERO of some kind and without him others would be MAIMED and in fact , its Sarin's fault he wanted a bigger cut. The goof doctor should be lucky he gets anything at all.
This is your story?
Apo doesnt need to MAKE A CUT off the internal nail to be a hero. He does it because he knows the western doctors are overpriced and if he can just get a nail into India, he can make MONEY and the customers will do it because its still cheaper.
Too bad the Indian doctors have NO expertise in this kind of operation. Perhaps that should be taken into consideration too right? Hmmm?
Guess not.
We keep correcting your false information and all you do is try to repackage it and come at us from a different angle. If you persist you may find yourself banned for being wiLL Forumully belligerent.
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I just noticed this on old forum 's site intro written by Sysopotheosis. Had to share it because it gave me a good laugh. The outright lying is shocking. ::)
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In my opinion, Sysopotheosis trying to push for internals in India actually does way more harm than good. There's a reason why things have to go through government approval to be used first. Sysop is in way over his head when he thinks that old forum can actually sway government policy and push them to approve a device faster. The only effect Sysop would have is convincing unethical doctors to perform internals under the table before approval has been granted. His pushing is what I believe led Dr. Sarin rush to use the HLN (which of course pissed off Sysop) and the only person to use it got a deep bone infection and his status is currently unknown. Now Sysop invests in other doctors there and we get a hip and knee replacement surgeon posing as a limb lengthening surgeon in Dr. Sringari, who obviously lacks any sort of ethics since he clearly knows Crazy+6 was advertising him as a fake patient and he accepted a mentally unstable person for leg lengthening (the guy who threatened to kill himself if he didn't get someone to sponsor surgery with Dr. Sarin).
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I just noticed this on old forum 's site intro written by Sysopotheosis. Had to share it because it gave me a good laugh. The outright lying is shocking. ::)
I know !!!!
Why do you think i am so pissed off. He makes a direct POINT of telling us he is the male version of Mother Theresa, and then to add insult to injury .........he has a DONATION box for us to give him money.
I dont know if this irates anyone else but it really put the hook in me . To find out the guy is a salesmen steering us to doctors where he can make a cut literally blew me away.
I had no idea there even was such a creepy thing as 'leg lengthening salesman' . Thats why I was so easily duped. I couldnt wrap my head around someone getting a kickback or commission for asking someone to fly half way around the world and break their legs.
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- The cost of hosting nowadays is typically $10 a month. For a forum with only 100+ members daily, it's not far off that price range. Feel free to ask any webhosting company to confirm that.
- SMF is a free software with auto spam filters built in, it's hand offs once you get the setting right. Certainly nobody will be spending hours fighting spam as is claimed.
So.....draw your own conclusions about why Sysop-Apotheosis is asking for Donations.
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- The cost of hosting nowadays is typically $10 a month. For a forum with only 100+ members daily, it's not far off that price range. Feel free to ask any webhosting company to confirm that.
- SMF is a free software with auto spam filters built in, it's hand offs once you get the setting right. Certainly nobody will be spending hours fighting spam as is claimed.
So.....draw your own conclusions about why Sysop-Apotheosis is asking for Donations.
Cuz he is a cheap c*nt ;D
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I remember there was a contest he held for a free limb lengthening surgery. Well, two contests actually. I know one was to write an essay about why it sucks to be short, which would get you a surgery paid in full for Dr. Sarin. I forgot what the other one was for but it was to get a surgery paid in full for your doctor of choice, IIRC. Thing is you had to pay a few hundred dollars in order to submit your essay. Suddenly the contest got taken off the site and it was as if it didn't exist. I don't remember anything being said about who won or if he was even going through with it. Did he just take the money from submissions and call the whole thing off?
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I remember there was a contest he held for a free limb lengthening surgery. Well, two contests actually. I know one was to write an essay about why it sucks to be short, which would get you a surgery paid in full for Dr. Sarin. I forgot what the other one was for but it was to get a surgery paid in full for your doctor of choice, IIRC. Thing is you had to pay a few hundred dollars in order to submit your essay. Suddenly the contest got taken off the site and it was as if it didn't exist. I don't remember anything being said about who won or if he was even going through with it. Did he just take the money from submissions and call the whole thing off?
What??? He made people pay hundreds of dollars to enter a draw? ;D
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- The cost of hosting nowadays is typically $10 a month. For a forum with only 100+ members daily, it's not far off that price range. Feel free to ask any webhosting company to confirm that.
- SMF is a free software with auto spam filters built in, it's hand offs once you get the setting right. Certainly nobody will be spending hours fighting spam as is claimed.
So.....draw your own conclusions about why Sysop-Apotheosis is asking for Donations.
he is not fighting spam or spammers.
he is busy deleting and banning any members and information that reveal his secrets, show alternative LL forums and ultimately threaten his old forum business lol.
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Can someone move all this talk about Sarin and Syop to a new thread.
Unfortunately we have hijacked a nice diary by Calic. Sorry mate.
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Can someone move all this talk about Sarin and Syop to a new thread.
Unfortunately we have hijacked a nice diary by Calic. Sorry mate.
I will see what I can do to get all this cleaned up. I strongly recommend you stop trying to pimp for the guy. You realize he is the reason why we were forced to make our own LL forum.
Dont come here and try to spin his actions as noble. Post on old forum if you wish to do that.
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I remember there was a contest he held for a free limb lengthening surgery. Well, two contests actually. I know one was to write an essay about why it sucks to be short, which would get you a surgery paid in full for Dr. Sarin. I forgot what the other one was for but it was to get a surgery paid in full for your doctor of choice, IIRC. Thing is you had to pay a few hundred dollars in order to submit your essay. Suddenly the contest got taken off the site and it was as if it didn't exist. I don't remember anything being said about who won or if he was even going through with it. Did he just take the money from submissions and call the whole thing off?
I too remember this. It was like, write 100 words as to why you should get LL for free. It was a sticky thread too and then all of a sudden the thread was deleted without much notice.
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he is not fighting spam or spammers.
he is busy deleting and banning any members and information that reveal his secrets, show alternative LL forums and ultimately threaten his old forum business lol.
This is quite right !!
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I remember the Essay drawing. There were two I believe, one winner would get a chsnce to do LL in India and the other would be able to do internals in Germany. I'd inquired SysOp about the possibility of doing both and I was told the more I enter the better chances I would get picked. Then I asked about a possible refund if there weren't enough applicants, then to no amazement I didn't get a reply.
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Moved some of the comments from Calic's diary to here, so that the diary can be kept organized for discussions relating to Calic's LL experience.
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If you "left" old forum then why are you still a mod there and posting on old forum as recently as... today?
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If you "lost trust" in old forum then why are you still a mod there and posting on old forum as recently as... today?
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If you "lost trust" in old forum then why are you still a mod there and posting on old forum as recently as... today?
Don't be fooled, it's SysOpotheosis's little childish joke, he's obviously out to confuse people. He hijacked Dameon's old account and gave it to a new moderator.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=18.0
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If you "left" old forum then why are you still a mod there and posting on old forum as recently as... today?
Don't be fooled, it's SysOpotheosis's little childish joke, he's obviously out to confuse people. He hijacked Dameon's old account and gave it to a new moderator.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=18.0
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If you "left" old forum then why are you still a mod there and posting on old forum as recently as... today?
Ok . its not the same Dameon. Relax dude. :D
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If you "left" old forum then why are you still a mod there and posting on old forum as recently as... today?
Did you honestly think SysOp would allow him to be a mod on old forum after Dameon created this forum, which is very much anti-old forum ?
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Wow. :o The level of what a jerk SysOp is has amazed and astonished me.
You might want to post something about it on the main page rather than the off topic forum, or this will probably keep coming up as long as SysOp is still at it.
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There is no doubt they are going to come at us any way they can. over and over again. Those guys are no joke. There is a lot of money at stake and 7 years worth of effort over there.
We just have to weather the storm. :)
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I just love that new topic Sysop has posted called "Example of a Good Osteotomy Incision versus a Bad Osteotomy Incision", with quotes like:
"I want to help make leg lengthening affordable and available to everyone"
Translation: I want to make money from as many leg lengthening doctors as possible to cover the hundreds of thousands I've spent on LL for myself.
"My goal is to bring cheaper leg lengthening to every doctor. I am working on bringing internal femur lengthening options to a number of different doctors, and yes, Dr. Sringari may be one of them. He happens to be a doctor I trust, and have supported him because I think he is a good option for low cost leg lengthening."
Translation: I want to drive people to unknown doctors regardless of their lack of training in cosmetic lengthening with the appeal of lower price so I can make money off their surgeries.
"There are a lot of things going on in the background right now. There is also a lot of misinformation out there about what I am trying to do that I'm not particularly concerned about."
Translation: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
"The main reason I went to India recently was to discuss bringing an internal femur lengthening option to a few doctors there. My secondary reason was to verify the complaints of a number of patients in the guest house of a certain doctor. Obviously someone did not like their status quo being disrupted when their poor level of patient care was exposed."
Translation: I went to Dr. Sarin to have him use a nail I recommended so I could get a cut of the profit each time he used the nail, but he decided to use the HLN instead of mine so I decided to do a 180 and talk about what a terrible doctor the guy is even though I previously put him on the Recommended Doctors list"
:D ::)
Sysop is no authority for saying who's a good and bad doctor. That's why the whole recommended list is such a joke.
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The guy from Make Me Taller is a doctor I thought. The place has lots of information but you cant sift through it all.
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Hey Drybone. Welcome !!!
There are lots of good stuff here. Check out the information in the newcomers section.
:)
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The guy from Make Me Taller is a doctor I thought. The place has lots of information but you cant sift through it all.
The owner of that site is a former limb lengthening patient, nothing more. It's why it's ridiculous that he tries to come off as a limb lengthening guru.
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Hey Tom. Thanks for the invite. How is Jessica? 8)
Hi Kilochan . He is not a doctor? I thought he was a world class top surgeon.
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I really like the patient diaries.
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I really like the patient diaries.
Me too. I hope more people will start posting diaries here.
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Hey Tom. Thanks for the invite. How is Jessica? 8)
Hi Kilochan . He is not a doctor? I thought he was a world class top surgeon.
He was a patient with a very large interest in LL. He wrote a book about his achievement(6,5cm with slightly bow leg correction, just like me) in China. Later he wrote something about doing his femurs but then nobody ever heard of him again. SySop took all of his posts and new members don't know anything about what happened.
I'm somewhat glad I was around from the beginning. I studied it for many years but never understood the seriousness of ballerina and how to prevent it properly.
The physio we got in India was a complete joke.
Actually I think Dr Sringari seems to do a good job with his patients. They seem to be having more fun than we did in the guesthouse.
I must have told Harry a thousand times that we need to work out more and have group sessions - nothing ever happened.
Dr Sringari's osteotomy really looks astonishing compared to the C-cut.
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Sysopotheosis calls himself a "prophet of leg lengthening".
I think he needs respell that as PROFIT OFF LEG LENGTHENING!
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Sysopotheosis calls himself a "prophet of leg lengthening".
I think he needs respell that as PROFIT OFF LEG LENGTHENING!
Nice. :D
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Sysopotheosis calls himself a "prophet of leg lengthening".
I think he needs respell that as PROFIT OFF LEG LENGTHENING!
Hahaha! ;D
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Wow i used to read a lot from old forum , but now i don't think i would be back into those forum anymore
One of my friend who went to india actually told me that he had canceled his plan in last minutes because he sees too many red flag
that is why he doesn't undergo LL surgery there, i once think about doing it there because of the cheap price, but not anymore
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yep, we are lucky i was about to do the same. Then i found out about all of this. including sweden..why is he allowed in here blows my mind. "hey hey, dr.sarin is great! come here and give me discount" sweden.
The whole world has gone mad
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i just dont understand why i posted a link on my diary from old forum here in this forum and you have deleted this link?? is this a business for you or you do it just to inform as much as possible about Leg lengthening? I have no sides, im neutral, and I really care only to inform other people about my experience with LL. You sent to me an email inviting me and making accusations about old forum with no really proves of anything, i can not give you much credibility just by the way you approached to me. But regardless of that, Im here to inform others about my Leg lengthening and that's all. But I think is stupid for me to start writing my whole diary when is already out there and people can check it out. So you mentioned how old forum is getting money from other sources, well if they are Im sure you are too just by the way you are acting. I am an ilizarov method patient, and I my posts have never been edited or deleted from my diary, but funny you have done it. Well I hope Im wrong on my suspicious of what are really your reason of why you started this forum. I really don't care that much thou, but I thought it would be good to mention this aloud)))
I HOPE YOU DONT DELETE OR EDIT THIS POST NOW LOL
RGKEY
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i just dont understand why i posted a link on my diary from old forum here in this forum and you have deleted this link?? is this a business for you or you do it just to inform as much as possible about Leg lengthening? I have no sides, im neutral, and I really care only to inform other people about my experience with LL. You sent to me an email inviting me and making accusations about old forum with no really proves of anything, i can not give you much credibility just by the way you approached to me. But regardless of that, Im here to inform others about my Leg lengthening and that's all. But I think is stupid for me to start writing my whole diary when is already out there and people can check it out. So you mentioned how old forum is getting money from other sources, well if they are Im sure you are too just by the way you are acting. I am an ilizarov method patient, and I my posts have never been edited or deleted from my diary, but funny s**t you have done it. Well I hope Im wrong on my suspicious of what are really your reason of why you started this forum. I really don't care that much thou, but I thought it would be good to mention this aloud)))
I HOPE YOU DONT DELETE OR EDIT THIS POST NOW LOL
RGKEY
One of the site rules is that no direct links to old forum be posted. You can mention the website and type old forum , even say "you can check out my diary on old forum " or what have you, but urls leading to old forum are not permitted.
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One of the site rules is that no direct links to old forum be posted. You can mention the website and type old forum , even say "you can check out my diary on old forum " or what have you, but urls leading to old forum are not permitted.
I know that, but why, what's the logical reason in doing this??? It sounds like if we are talking about brands or businesses....theses are
free forums as far as I know
Rgkey
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I know that, but why, what's the logical reason in doing this??? It sounds like if we are talking about brands or businesses....theses are
free forums as far as I know
Rgkey
Having a bunch of direct urls leading to old forum on here would lead to boosting old forum 's search engine ranks and dropping ours relative to them. It's a way to give this site more exposure. At the moment, it's still a lot more freedom than on old forum . As far as I know Sysop will remove the name of this forum if it typed on the other site, even if there isn't a direct link.
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Having a bunch of direct urls leading to old forum on here would lead to boosting old forum 's search engine ranks and dropping ours relative to them. It's a way to give this site more exposure. At the moment, it's still a lot more freedom than on old forum . As far as I know Sysop will remove the name of this forum if it typed on the other site, even if there isn't a direct link.
fair enough answer))
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fair enough answer))
Why don't you just copy and paste your diary here? If you feel lazy, I could do it for you.
old forum is a joke. I just realized from chatting with my LL buddy that Sysop/Apoth was already guilty of photo-shopping his picture back in Mar of 2013. He wanted to make his arms "look longer" in relative to his 21cm of lengthening. Several people were questioning him about it but had their post either edited or deleted. My diary was also edited by him... maybe he thinks it's funny.
At 21cm of lengthening, the bald old dude really look like a freak. If you don't believe me, I can post a picture of what 17cm+ looks like, then you can imagine what 21cm looks like.
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I can post a picture of what 17cm+ looks like, then you can imagine what 21cm looks like.
If it's not too much trouble, please do this. I think proportions are something very important for LL patients to consider, and the more exposure the issue gets, the better. We wouldn't want someone to go through all the trouble of LL and then find that they look worse, and stranger, than they did before.
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fair enough answer))
Cool.
You could always ask straight up though if you have any concerns about the forum. No need to get so angry as to create a thread on old forum and call the creators of this forum " s", amusing as that thread is. Sysop's response did make me laugh at the irony of his criticism against Dr Birkholtz, though.
Fyi, one of our moderators is a former limb lengthening patient :)
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If it's not too much trouble, please do this. I think proportions are something very important for LL patients to consider, and the more exposure the issue gets, the better. We wouldn't want someone to go through all the trouble of LL and then find that they look worse, and stranger, than they did before.
Credit to the handsome guy on the left. He's my buddy. The guy on the right is also my buddy and he lengthens 17cm.
If you add 4cm of disproportion to the guy on the right (and a bald head and wrinkle face for someone in his 40s), then you have Apothesis/Sysop/sysop.
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2w3c77o.jpg)
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Wow. To be honest, the 17 CM guy doesn't look as bad as I expected. Maybe that's because he is wearing jeans though. The only part of him that looks way too short for his legs is his neck. His arms look alright though and his small torso wouldn't be that noticeable if he'd wear longer shirts. He must look very disproportional shirtless, though.
The guy on the left, on the other hand, looks amazing. Did he also have LL? If so, I can't tell at all.
And the most beautiful of all award goes to the building in the background. Where is that? Looks like you also got to do some neat tourism while in India.
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Wow Crazy+6 doesnt look bd at all after 17sm of lengthenning.
I short torso like him so i am glad to see what i will look like going from 163sm to 180cm.
I can accept his deight and disprportion any time over my crippled height of 5'4.
I'm sorry to disagree with you guys BUT APO has a 6cm greater sitting height than the guy on the pic. You cant jut lengthen the guy on the pic and assume thats how Apo Looks. unless he lied about his 91cm sitting height.
I know he keeps saying its 94cm but we all know its 91cm.
I would also accept his disproprting without a link of an eye over being 5'4.
if u r short like me, height trumps proportions. its night and day. if u are over 5'8 then you can annoy us with ur proportion comments.
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Cool.
You could always ask straight up though if you have any concerns about the forum. No need to get so angry as to create a thread on old forum and call the creators of this forum " s", amusing as that thread is. Sysop's response did make me laugh at the irony of his criticism against Dr Birkholtz, though.
Fyi, one of our moderators is a former limb lengthening patient :)
@Kilokahn: I never got angry and I never called anyone an or s lol hehe im just glad a have a better idea of everything for my own peace of mind)) and i really don't want to talk about this subject anymore, i really dont care!!! i only care for people to hear the truth about leg lengthening)) because I know I would have want that before I had my surgery))))
@smallguy: yes sure)) go ahead))) copy it and pasted for me I dont mind it))) as long as all the information is kept and not edited or anything like it then please be my guess)))) That would be cool)) but I also have many videos and pictures I dont know how you would be able to copy and paste that???(((
Rgkey
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@smallguy: awesome picture!)
but i think is a very vague assumption to make that one person's lengthening can be the same or even similar to another persons lengthening. I think every body is different and will look different as well. For example my 9cms lengthening will never compare to another person, I have a friend who lengthened 6 cms and all people tell me, plus I see it too that I look much more proportional than him, and it is simply because we have different body proportions and shape to start with)))
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@Kilokahn: I never got angry and I never called anyone an a**hole or s lol hehe im just glad a have a better idea of everything for my own peace of mind)) and i really don't want to talk about this subject anymore, i really dont care!!! i only care for people to hear the truth about leg lengthening)) because I know I would have want that before I had my surgery))))
Rgkey
Are you saying that thread title about was not written by you but actually changed by Sysop/Apotheosis? Wow, that dude has some serious mental issues if he want to start twisting people's words.
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Are you saying that thread title about a**hole was not written by you but actually changed by Sysop/Apotheosis? Wow, that dude has some serious mental issues if he want to start twisting people's words.
Yes, he wrote that thread title.
I saw RGKEY's reply in some other thread at first, but then this morning it was moved to its own thread. The Very Different Writing Style in the title versus his post makes it especially obvious.
He didn't even write anywhere that it was a thread spun out from a reply in another one like most forum mods would, he just gave it his headline, called the LL Forum forum founders s in it, and left it there to look like RGKEY said it himself.
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@Kilokahn: I never got angry and I never called anyone an a**hole or s...
old forum Partyleaks' post explained everything. I see it wasn't you who made the thread title. Excuse my previous comment then. As you said, this subject can be dropped.
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old forum Partyleaks' post explained everything. I see it wasn't you who made the thread title. Excuse my previous comment then. As you said, this subject can be dropped.
thank you))
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I was invited to this forum, too, to defend RGKEY. And I want to share my good experience, also because I don't believe all the accusations concerning Dr. Betz.
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(http://i59.tinypic.com/xcj33k.jpg)
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I would never even consider India for lengthening. But, it would have been a bad thing for those considering India if the admin of the other site did have everything go to plan in India. One person having exclusive distribution rights to a product in an entire country is never a good thing. Sure he didn't make much money off the Sarin patients, but say he eventually did set up that company there and continued his partnership with Sarin. That guy could have made a hell of a lot of money. Also what would have become of potentially good doctors who also do lengthening in India currently? Would they be unable to lengthen patients with the latest technology unless they got approval from the other site's admin? And if they did, wouldn't that certainly drive up costs?
There are also a few other posts I read, both in Kilokahn's thread and elsewhere on this site, about how these doctors Sarin and Sringari are virtually unknown in India's limb lengthening community, which would account for why so many people were getting messed up. Can you honestly say it would be a good thing if a virtual unknown in the limb lengthening medical practice in India was given sole distribution rights to the latest internal devices? You would have tons more people getting disabled for life after being drawn in by the other site's absurd claims of this Sarin's or Sringari's supposed medical expertise in the field of limb lengthening. The way I see it the damage could have been huge. Not to mention you see him writing to Sarin that he made sure people looked over credible options such as Beijing and Serbia so they could go to him. That's probably why Doctor Mitkovic remained off the site even though it was shown recently that he still accepts patients. This guy was planning to screw over many more people.
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There's nothing about this site that's commercial, nothing , totally.
(http://i.gyazo.com/7647b6e1d0afc323aa80435f5ef24293.png)
U still have doubts? i said nothing commercial
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I don't really get why people hate him so much. The guy is successful a business man, reached his dreams by doing LL, works on his acting career and manages old forum . OK he made some mistakes with trusting Sarin but when he discover that people might get hurt(no one did though) he pulled out and wanted to fix things. Seriously people have to much time so they can envy and hate people that actually achieved something in life. :/
Correction, many people were permanently disabled by Sarin. Without further surgical intervention I personally know 7 people he has crippled with deformities and chronic pain
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Correction, many people were permanently disabled by Sarin. Without further surgical intervention I personally know 7 people he has crippled with deformities and chronic pain
Permanently disabled?
Who?
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1 person was there while you were there Sweden and he knows you. The rest came after you had already departed. I will not disclose other peoples personal medical info as they shared with me in confidence. However, these people will not be made whole again without surgical intervention.
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what are their issues that need surgical intervention?
i'm sure many of us would like to hear potential issues
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The resulting deformities are numerous, 1 person has club foot which means his foot is turned inward at an unnatural angle that can only be fixed surgically and is the cause of daily pain and reduced mobility. Several patients are now knock kneed or have what is referred to as x legs which will not correct without surgery and is the cause of unceasing. Another patient has a bone deformity that requires a 2.5 cm section of his tibia to be removed due the the improper angulation of the callus site. There is a second person who has a similar bone deformity that will require removal of bone. 2 separate patients have soft tissue contraction that requires either a gastroc recession or the application of external fixators again. Several patients are suffering from fibular migration due to the fact that Sarin does not secure the distal fibula in his fixators. Several people have hardware issues regarding loose rods and the like. There are others as well, but these are the issues amongst the people I communicate with and most people have not been able to return to their lives as normal prior to seeing Sarin. This includes inability to work. Inability to be active. One of his patients who had surgery in February 2013 is still unable to walk without crutches. It's a terrible shame.
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USA Patient,
What about that Asian guy living on the 3rd floor with another brown dude? He had early bone consolidations and 6 surgeries. He always complain about food. He had a lot of complications. What happen to him? Did he died?
Thanks for the info,
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Clearly I was foolish enough to let Sarin operate on me without doing my due diligence. As we speak I am laying in a hospital bed in the USA with 2 external fixators on my tibias to correct the damage done. I am expecting a full recovery, but I now have had to go through this terrible pain a second time. Fortunately for me I have financial means to be made whole again. Unfortunately for my fellow LL'ers only 1 of the 7 has the funds to be repaired by a competent surgeon. I am not endorsing anyone in particular and frankly I want little to do with LL message boards as they can be the greatest source of information, as well as the greatest source of misinformation. But the simple fact is Sarin destroyed many peoples lives. Mine included for a period of time. But I say this. If a friend of mine considered going to Sarin, I would physically kidnap them to keep them from making that mistake. One thing about doing LL in India if you come from the USA or another developed country is that no one wants to hear "I told you so" when they come back screwed up from a cheap surgery in a 3rd world country. Most of Sarins patients vanish from the message boards after leaving India with unreal hopes of recovery from physio or exercise as well as to put this traumatic ordeal behind them. I was having trouble walking still 4 months after frame removal. I had booked an appointment with a prominent American surgeon to just look me over and tell me everything looks good. I was expecting to hear that with a few months of physio I would be golden. Yet here I lay in fixators for a second time just to repair the damage done. And I pray that I will make a full recovery and am grateful for the second chance to fix myself. Please learn from my mistake and the mistake of my friends.
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Small guy. I believe I know who you are talking when you say Asian guy. He was of relatively short stature prior to surgery and quiet. I did not have the pleasure to communicate with him very much and am unaware of his outcome. And his roommate whom you describe as a "brown dude" was a Frenchman I believe. Neither have I conferred with.
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small guy. I hope you are jesting when you ask if he died. That's a terrible thing to suggest if untrue
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mmm... i believe usapatient
these issues though are all correctable, the club foot, ballerina, x legs,etc.... you should have a full recovery, and the others would too, if they got the proper treatment.... it sounds though as they have no funds for anything now,which is a very bad situation
i would say dr sarin should fix these things for free, but since he seems to have caused the issues in some of them, that's probably not even a good idea
usapatient, what was your issue that needed correction in america??
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I think the Asian guy on the third floor died bc the brown dude killed him - and ate him. He was a cannibal. ;D
You got PM USApatient.
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Non union. Dislocated fibula. And ankle deformity. I agree that the majority of issues facing Sarins former patients can be repaired surgically. when I say permanently disabled I am referring to people who will not improve without surgical intervention. And in most cases the people who went to India exhausted their last nickel to complete this procedure. One of my friends is Canadian and even though he is deformed and unable to work he is not considered a priority in the Canadian healthcare system. He was with me when we visited an American dr together and both were sideswiped by the findings.
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i'm not defending sarin btw... it's clear he is incompetent
can these patients afford another indian drs??? there dos seem to be competent doctors in india, such as parihar and shah
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I have close personal contact with 3 patients that have already booked or had consultations with American Surgeons who can make them whole. I suppose the issue is whether or not they can afford the massive costs. As for some of the others I know that traveling back to India is out of the question. I can not speak for these other Indian surgeons as I would have to believe there must be someone who could assist them, but another issue that left so many of Sarins patients fearing returning to India was how Sarin encouraged or allowed his managers to steal from patients bank accounts and then threaten to throw them out on the street with frames still attached if they questioned him. This did not happen to me personally, but Sarins friends Sahill stole thousands of dollars from a female patient and then told her to leave. I've never seen such abuse by a medical practitioner in my life as Sarin warranted Sahils actions. This is one of many such cases. On another occasion Sahil struck a patient with either a slap or a shove who confronted him about misconduct, then threatened to have the patient arrested saying "you are a foreigner and the police will arrest you if I tell them to"
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I will search up this Sahil dentist fk and kick in his teeth!
If you read this Sahil: Your ass is mine bitch!
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Small guy. I believe I know who you are talking when you say Asian guy. He was of relatively short stature prior to surgery and quiet. I did not have the pleasure to communicate with him very much and am unaware of his outcome. And his roommate whom you describe as a "brown dude" was a Frenchman I believe. Neither have I conferred with.
Well, why didn't you talk to him? You guys stayed in the same house for several months. You seem like a talkative person (11 posts in 10 minutes). And his roommate wasn't French. They were practicing French out of boredom. You probably heard about the French part from the maid.
I think the Asian guy on the third floor died bc the brown dude killed him - and ate him. He was a cannibal. ;D
You got PM USApatient.
LMAO. And the white dude from the first floor also got burned alive due to over tanning in the Sun :D
I will search up this Sahil dentist f**k and kick in his teeth!
If you read this Sahil: Your ass is mine bitch!
Your ass is mine bitch... haha
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Hi guys, nice forum! I think I've been secretly banned from old forum , lol. When I refresh it, there's just white page, no ban message, nothing. I cleared the cookies and got the same, but when I put on some proxies, I've been finally able to access it! I've even put russian proxies specifically to see, if it wasn't some kind of country problem, or issues with the host. Fun times, huh?
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exclide... lolll... i know you from there.... why would you be banned
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Not sure, bro. It could have something to do with me defending external femural lengthening versus internal. Just a thought.
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Exclide I had the same problem earlier today. Think it was just down for a bit
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Exclide I had the same problem earlier today. Think it was just down for a bit
It's not down, I can access it with a proxy. Could be a host problem, though, lol, that's a very crappy host then!
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exclide... you should start a thread here about it....
im a fan of both boards.... just want to give full disclosure
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I agree. I would prefer to see legal justice served instead of this forum-slander. But I suppose that perhaps the forum-slander is a way for those who were hurt and/or deceived to cope with what happened.
It's also important that people newly interested in LL be warned about these kinds of cronies.
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A fair share of exposure about sarin's illicit and immoral act should be heavily exposed , the way i see is that if sarin happens to be a successful operation then everybody would appreciate SysOp . Regardless of any kinda situation still ones confidentiality is of utmost important when doing CLL . Sarin being an unprofessional and unethical towards his job not only wrecked many lives also sold out SysOp/Apo's identity cause things didn't work out b/w them , this shows how cheap this indian doctor Amar sarin is !!
I think SysOp did this to himself , he trusted the wrong people ( dr sarin , crazy+6 , harry , sunny , dr sringar) for the right job which he tried to manipulate when things turned wild and complaints started pouring .
Most importantly he repeated the sarin mistake all over again with sringari , how irresponsible .
You reap what you sow SysOp/Apo !!
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well just to update how I see the situation as it continues to unfold.
I have noticed that on a daily basis for every 30 or so comments on LL Forum there has been like 1 or 2 comments on old forum .
the traffic on old forum has seriously died. people are aware of his scam. the trust between old forum and its members is lost and everyone has left. specifically people might still view old forum but no one is really contributing to it with actual posts.
I like to think of old forum as a ship on the high seas burning to the ground while its captain goes down with the ship. :) lol
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good for LL Forum
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well just to update how I see the situation as it continues to unfold.
I have noticed that on a daily basis for every 30 or so comments on LL Forum there has been like 1 or 2 comments on old forum .
the traffic on old forum has seriously died. people are aware of his scam. the trust between old forum and its members is lost and everyone has left. specifically people might still view old forum but no one is really contributing to it with actual posts.
I like to think of old forum as a ship on the high seas burning to the ground while its captain goes down with the ship. :) lol
Maybe why the few users from old forum who come here and always complain about this site type all crazy in their posts like they have anger management issues.
I browse old forum from time to time and a few of the regulars act like Sysop/Apotheosis is Jesus or something and can do no wrong. They don't care he was profiting off luring people to doctors and them getting so many problems after that. And they also are encouraging him to go through the lawsuit against this site. Hopefully a Sarin patient that got messed up decides to sue Apotheosis later. That will be karma getting back at him.
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I post my diary on both sites since I'd rather people be as informed about this process as possible, and I think most people should follow suit.
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I am so glad that I never joined old forum from the beginning, I actually found out LL Forum first.
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I post my diary on both sites since I'd rather people be as informed about this process as possible, and I think most people should follow suit.
Nothing wrong with updating on both sides, But alteast now we are aware of the sickness that surround Apotheosis.
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I see now that this site is much better. For some unknown reason Sysop banned me on old forum . Good thing this was done before I post my diary.
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As one of the original members who started up this forum because Sysop banned us for outing him and his Sarin scam, I can tell you I dont care much anymore.
I think this forum is better because it really is a democracy. There is no over arching overlord here. No 'approved' list. No stupid 'donation' box. Daemon and the moderators all are volunteer.
This site also seems user friendly compared to old forum . The sub headers are sectioned off but not so much so as to be micromanaged.
The folks on here dont 'clique' together . We all respect each others goals to become taller and just want to help.
Even if Sysop didnt get into bed with Sarin, I am glad this forum was constructed and would be here regardless. :)
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As one of the original members who started up this forum because Sysop banned us for outing him and his Sarin scam, I can tell you I dont care much anymore.
The folks on here dont 'clique' together . We all respect each others goals to become taller and just want to help.
Even if Sysop didnt get into bed with Sarin, I am glad this forum was constructed and would be here regardless. :)
Exactly, it's time to move beyond criticizing the old forum, whatever happen there isn't our concern anymore.
The focus should be on ensuring this new LL Forum continue to develop into a constructive, helpful and informative resource for LLers.
Thread locked and moving on.
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I hate that bastard Dr. Sarin. I wish that guy would get thrown behind bars for medical misconduct.