Limb Lengthening Forum
Community Hangout => Off Topic => Topic started by: ramujp17 on January 25, 2016, 01:18:08 PM
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hii.. has it occurred to anyone about the big what if??. what if this medical procedure was not invented, what would u do to solve ur problem of height neurosis?? i would be looking for a genie in a bottle or magic beans if there was no way to increase ur height
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hii.. has it occurred to anyone about the big what if??. what if this medical procedure was not invented, what would u do to solve ur problem of height neurosis?? i would be looking for a genie in a bottle or magic beans if there was no way to increase ur height
Accept it.
After reading about all of the drawbacks of this surgery it makes me feel like I want to accept my height and move on anyway.
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it would be good
do not get this surgery
trust me... its not worth it... do not believe most of the positive stories... some are probably accurate, but most are not
accept your height, move on
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If LL wasn't available, or just completely out of my means to get, it would it a whole lot easier to accept my height.
Just knowing that tibias is still on the table as a possibility makes it soooo hard to accept my height.
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ı think if we can acceept this we shoudnt be here
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Accept and move on might help you to some extant, but it doesn't change your life drastically. I honestly believe change of perception with few cms can have a tremendous effect on one's life. It happened to me from obese to slim and fit( although I always had high energy levels to attract others, it does make a difference how you are perceived)
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Sad to say, I think I would still have a "short man's complex" and overcompensate in other areas of my life.
Finding out about LL has giving me hope that at least this area of my life can be corrected, or at least drastically improved. I no longer get offended if I hear "short" jokes, or when a friend, relative or people I do business with make a "short" remark about me. It's like they can no longer try to bring me down to their level when they see me succeeding in life, and the only thing that used to get under my skin rolls of me like water from a duck's back.
That being said, I still need to go through with LL, but at least as of right this minute the gamble is completely under my control.
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Accept it, and move on in life while dragging this massive insecurity along with me. Something I did for almost 30 years (and did pretty well). It's very hard...but it can be done.
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Sad to say, I think I would still have a "short man's complex" and overcompensate in other areas of my life.
Finding out about LL has giving me hope that at least this area of my life can be corrected, or at least drastically improved. I no longer get offended if I hear "short" jokes, or when a friend, relative or people I do business with make a "short" remark about me. It's like they can no longer try to bring me down to their level when they see me succeeding in life, and the only thing that used to get under my skin rolls of me like water from a duck's back.
That being said, I still need to go through with LL, but at least as of right this minute the gamble is completely under my control.
Whats your height?
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Accept it.
After reading about all of the drawbacks of this surgery it makes me feel like I want to accept my height and move on anyway.
If you do, I applaud you. I don't know if it's because you remind me of my younger self and I feel like I have a chance to warn my younger self about this surgery. But as I'm still sitting here in pain from the surgery even 7 months after the surgery, I can tell you that it's not worth it. If the drawbacks and risks weren't there, I'd say that it's worth it. Heck, even the price tag doesn't matter, because you can work more and pay it off. But you're playing russian roulette with your health here. Maybe if the pain went away and my life returned back to normal again, I'd change my tune and recommend this surgery. But seeing how other patients have had permanent issues, I can't really advocate for this surgery as "worth it". I mean, yes, it cured my height neurosis. But god damn do I want my life to just return back to normal. Who cares what I look like anymore. I just want to be able to have a normal day without aches and pains in my legs and feet.
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If you do, I applaud you. I don't know if it's because you remind me of my younger self and I feel like I have a chance to warn my younger self about this surgery. But as I'm still sitting here in pain from the surgery even 7 months after the surgery, I can tell you that it's not worth it. If the drawbacks and risks weren't there, I'd say that it's worth it. Heck, even the price tag doesn't matter, because you can work more and pay it off. But you're playing russian roulette with your health here. Maybe if the pain went away and my life returned back to normal again, I'd change my tune and recommend this surgery. But seeing how other patients have had permanent issues, I can't really advocate for this surgery as "worth it". I mean, yes, it cured my height neurosis. But god damn do I want my life to just return back to normal. Who cares what I look like anymore. I just want to be able to have a normal day without aches and pains in my legs and feet.
When you say "other patients" do you mean Paley patients that you know of or in general?
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Do drugs and kill myself, being short is not worth it man. People are mean.
Anyone thinking the same? Lets hold each other.
I feel you bro
*tightest hug possible*
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Whats your height?
I'm 170cm evening height.
If you do, I applaud you. I don't know if it's because you remind me of my younger self and I feel like I have a chance to warn my younger self about this surgery. But as I'm still sitting here in pain from the surgery even 7 months after the surgery, I can tell you that it's not worth it. If the drawbacks and risks weren't there, I'd say that it's worth it. Heck, even the price tag doesn't matter, because you can work more and pay it off. But you're playing russian roulette with your health here. Maybe if the pain went away and my life returned back to normal again, I'd change my tune and recommend this surgery. But seeing how other patients have had permanent issues, I can't really advocate for this surgery as "worth it". I mean, yes, it cured my height neurosis. But god damn do I want my life to just return back to normal. Who cares what I look like anymore. I just want to be able to have a normal day without aches and pains in my legs and feet.
Do you smoke pot? Just curious, not trying to make a joke.
It might help take the edge off, but I can understand if you are completely against it.
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If you do, I applaud you. I don't know if it's because you remind me of my younger self and I feel like I have a chance to warn my younger self about this surgery. But as I'm still sitting here in pain from the surgery even 7 months after the surgery, I can tell you that it's not worth it. If the drawbacks and risks weren't there, I'd say that it's worth it. Heck, even the price tag doesn't matter, because you can work more and pay it off. But you're playing russian roulette with your health here. Maybe if the pain went away and my life returned back to normal again, I'd change my tune and recommend this surgery. But seeing how other patients have had permanent issues, I can't really advocate for this surgery as "worth it". I mean, yes, it cured my height neurosis. But god damn do I want my life to just return back to normal. Who cares what I look like anymore. I just want to be able to have a normal day without aches and pains in my legs and feet.
Do you think it was the 8cm, if you did 5 to 6cm do you think you'd be having these issues? What do you believe is the cause?
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Do you smoke pot? Just curious, not trying to make a joke.
It might help take the edge off, but I can understand if you are completely against it.
I can smoke pot to lower the pain. But I can also take some codeine or oxycodone to take it off as well. Those are prescription pills, though, and hard to get. It would suck though if I had to take drugs for the rest of my life to get rid of the pain. I'm very unproductive when I smoke pot.
Do you think it was the 8cm, if you did 5 to 6cm do you think you'd be having these issues? What do you believe is the cause?
It could be because of the 8cm. I'm not sure. I suspect that it is. I do recommend 5 cm over 8 cm as my legs only got tighter after 5 cm and where I lost my most flexibility after that. 5 cm was also when my height neurosis was cured. But I also recommend not doing it at all if you can avoid it, because who knows what the issue might be. My body could be damaged from the surgery itself. Right now I have this pain on the top of my left femur each time I move my left leg sideways or walk for more than 5 minutes. It's where they drilled a hole in my femur and put the rod in. Maybe the pain will go away when I exercise my legs even further or when they finally remove the rods. That's what I'm hoping for now. If I remember correctly, ProgramDude had a pain on my hip for up to a year until he removed the rods.
When you say "other patients" do you mean Paley patients that you know of or in general?
I meant in general, because I don't see many Paley diaries. I know that not everyone has permanent pain, but the risk of it is what makes it a gamble. If I end up with permanent pain even under Dr. Paley, then I would really not recommend this surgery at all. Only time will tell if that would happen. I want to know if ProgramDude (Paley patient) has any permanent pain. I asked him in his diary, but he didn't reply. He one of the closest cases to me. He also did 8 cm in femurs and had pain up to when he removed his rods. Then he broke his leg again, and there hasn't been much updates about his pain after that.
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thx for the respone :)
I wish you well. Hang in there as I am sure everything will be fine :)
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thx for the respone :)
I wish you well. Hang in there as I am sure everything will be fine :)
I hope so. It sucks to see other Paley patients doing well with no pain, while I have pain. It makes me wonder if something went wrong in my surgery/recovery.
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Well thats a tough question. I am not sure yet if I will ever do a limb lengthening but to know that lengthening is at least possible makes me feel better. But to be honest we all know how difficult and costly such surgeries are and its anything but an easy step for every patient. I wish there would be an easier way to increase height than such an surgery with all the risks but there is no other way but accepting your height. And for some short people this pain is even stronger than any pain a limb lengthening can cause.
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I think instead we'd have forums dedicated to helping men to move and establish themselves in countries with lower average male heights instead.
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As previous users did,I will answer too
I think the discover of LL worsened my BDD and in general my life.You have to be very strong minded to not leave LL to obsess your life and your mind.
Balancing the pros(the new hope of becoming taller) and contros I wish I never discovered that.
But now it's too late to have regrets
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I think instead we'd have forums dedicated to helping men to move and establish themselves in countries with lower average male heights instead.
The first-ever realistic post I've seen from this user. This is what would actually happen. There would be forums dedicated to moving to Indonesia or other countries with VERY low average male heights.
To those talking about "accepting" their height in this thread:
There is no such thing as "acceptance". This is a myth perpetuated by the pseudoscientific "psychology" community. You do not "accept" traits about yourself that make you profoundly unhappy. You "resign" yourself to them, and live a deeply unhappy and unfulfilling life full of attempts to "fill the void" that not having what you want leaves in you. Resignation is NOT acceptance - not even close.
How many people would tell a man or a woman who's "unhappy with their gender" in 2018 to "accept" their birth gender and "move on" with their lives? How do you think the public at large would respond to you if you tried to tell a transsexual to "accept" their birth gender? Do you think people would agree with you, or do you think they'd call you a "hateful transphobic" for trying to prevent these people from "being happy" by "changing" the thing about themselves that makes them unhappy?
Now compare this to a short person who's unhappy with their height and wants to change it. All of a sudden the public perception is that the short person is "mentally ill" and needs "therapy", and they need to "accept their height". Why?
Simple: Because in 2018, it is publicly acceptable to be unhappy with your gender, but NOT with your height.
What would people do if limb lengthening didn't exist? Here's the real answer:
Some would """accept""" their height - i.e. try not to think about it, tell themselves that their height isn't the reason they can't attract women, get respect from male peers, get promoted/be taken seriously in the workplace, etc. Basically follow the concept that "if you ignore the problem, maybe it'll go away". Of course, it won't, and these people will age and die having lived deeply unfulfilling lives with a load of "what ifs" and "if onlys" plaguing them on their deathbeds. They'd join "communities" (read: circlejerks) on the internet where short men gather to pretend that being short is really okay, heightism isn't really that bad after all, pretend like all the "advantages" of being short are super great and amazing, and how being short and living as a mistreated short man and being the butt of society's jokes "made them a better person" and how they wouldn't want to be tall even if they could be (sour grapes syndrome). Reddit's r/short is an EXCELLENT example of a "community" like this.
Some would commit suicide. We already know short men have double the suicide rate of tall men, and suicide rates have been climbing for a long time now.
Some would drop out of society, never leaving their houses and only doing the bare minimum at work that they have to do to get paid and support themselves. This is a common phenomenon today.
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I would have been a really sad person.
LL gave me hope till my teenage years when I started tonsee that I won't become even average and learned about it.
From then and on I knew that what nature didn't give science will and I felt much better with myself knowing that my short stature is something temporary.
I never thought about the risks, I was very determined to do it and thats why I did everything as fast as I could (university etc) to do LL at my almost 23 years.
LL changed my life even before I did it and even now, the result of my first LL and the plans for my second one make me see everything much more optimistic.
I can't imagine how bad would have been my life without LL.
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I would have been a really sad person.
LL gave me hope till my teenage years when I started tonsee that I won't become even average and learned about it.
From then and on I knew that what nature didn't give science will and I felt much better with myself knowing that my short stature is something temporary.
I never thought about the risks, I was very determined to do it and thats why I did everything as fast as I could (university etc) to do LL at my almost 23 years.
LL changed my life even before I did it and even now, the result of my first LL and the plans for my second one make me see everything much more optimistic.
I can't imagine how bad would have been my life without LL.
I feel similar, CLL has made me very optimistic. Without knowing about CLL's existence, I would have just dealt with my short stature since I wouldn't have known any better, just like I had before knowing about it years ago. Slightly bitter and defeated, but I'd have managed by compromising.
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"dream height 167" lmao
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Well, I have only known about LL since last october and I'm turning 20 in June so I would be lying if I said I have been having a rough time. Some guys my age are not even completely done growing in some cases. Which gives me a good reason to tell everyone why I am suddenly much taller. I would not beat myself up over it. I would not be sad at all. This surgery is not a need in my life but rather than a want. I feel like it will make me a happier person. Then again, I have not struggled that much because of my height considering I'm still a teen but I can't say what it would be like to live like this through adulthood.
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I would wear lifts and resign myself. I am lucky to not have a very bad starting height. I can imagine for the 5"5 and shorter guys, that this would be a harsher reality.
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The first-ever realistic post I've seen from this user. This is what would actually happen. There would be forums dedicated to moving to Indonesia or other countries with VERY low average male heights.
To those talking about "accepting" their height in this thread:
There is no such thing as "acceptance". This is a myth perpetuated by the pseudoscientific "psychology" community. You do not "accept" traits about yourself that make you profoundly unhappy. You "resign" yourself to them, and live a deeply unhappy and unfulfilling life full of attempts to "fill the void" that not having what you want leaves in you. Resignation is NOT acceptance - not even close.
How many people would tell a man or a woman who's "unhappy with their gender" in 2018 to "accept" their birth gender and "move on" with their lives? How do you think the public at large would respond to you if you tried to tell a transsxxual to "accept" their birth gender? Do you think people would agree with you, or do you think they'd call you a "hateful transphobic" for trying to prevent these people from "being happy" by "changing" the thing about themselves that makes them unhappy?
Now compare this to a short person who's unhappy with their height and wants to change it. All of a sudden the public perception is that the short person is "mentally ill" and needs "therapy", and they need to "accept their height". Why?
Simple: Because in 2018, it is publicly acceptable to be unhappy with your gender, but NOT with your height.
What would people do if limb lengthening didn't exist? Here's the real answer:
Some would """accept""" their height - i.e. try not to think about it, tell themselves that their height isn't the reason they can't attract women, get respect from male peers, get promoted/be taken seriously in the workplace, etc. Basically follow the concept that "if you ignore the problem, maybe it'll go away". Of course, it won't, and these people will age and die having lived deeply unfulfilling lives with a load of "what ifs" and "if onlys" plaguing them on their deathbeds. They'd join "communities" (read: circlejerks) on the internet where short men gather to pretend that being short is really okay, heightism isn't really that bad after all, pretend like all the "advantages" of being short are super great and amazing, and how being short and living as a mistreated short man and being the butt of society's jokes "made them a better person" and how they wouldn't want to be tall even if they could be (sour grapes syndrome). Reddit's r/short is an EXCELLENT example of a "community" like this.
Some would commit suicide. We already know short men have double the suicide rate of tall men, and suicide rates have been climbing for a long time now.
Some would drop out of society, never leaving their houses and only doing the bare minimum at work that they have to do to get paid and support themselves. This is a common phenomenon today.
CLL is not well-known and it is such a huge sacrifice.
If there was an easy and cheap procedure for getting height, I think heightism would eventually go away, as most short men would get that and height would be a non-issue. People try to accept their height (and/or use shoes/lifts) because it's the most realistic thing most people can do.
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Amen to that! I couldn't have said it better myself. When I told my family (who are all taller than me) about this surgery they were shocked but not all that much. They tried to convince me why my height was "okay" . What I hate the most is naive people, average and tall men will never know what a pain it is to see a preschooler stand taller than you.
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The first-ever realistic post I've seen from this user. This is what would actually happen. There would be forums dedicated to moving to Indonesia or other countries with VERY low average male heights.
To those talking about "accepting" their height in this thread:
There is no such thing as "acceptance". This is a myth perpetuated by the pseudoscientific "psychology" community. You do not "accept" traits about yourself that make you profoundly unhappy. You "resign" yourself to them, and live a deeply unhappy and unfulfilling life full of attempts to "fill the void" that not having what you want leaves in you. Resignation is NOT acceptance - not even close.
How many people would tell a man or a woman who's "unhappy with their gender" in 2018 to "accept" their birth gender and "move on" with their lives? How do you think the public at large would respond to you if you tried to tell a transsxxual to "accept" their birth gender? Do you think people would agree with you, or do you think they'd call you a "hateful transphobic" for trying to prevent these people from "being happy" by "changing" the thing about themselves that makes them unhappy?
Now compare this to a short person who's unhappy with their height and wants to change it. All of a sudden the public perception is that the short person is "mentally ill" and needs "therapy", and they need to "accept their height". Why?
Simple: Because in 2018, it is publicly acceptable to be unhappy with your gender, but NOT with your height.
What would people do if limb lengthening didn't exist? Here's the real answer:
Some would """accept""" their height - i.e. try not to think about it, tell themselves that their height isn't the reason they can't attract women, get respect from male peers, get promoted/be taken seriously in the workplace, etc. Basically follow the concept that "if you ignore the problem, maybe it'll go away". Of course, it won't, and these people will age and die having lived deeply unfulfilling lives with a load of "what ifs" and "if onlys" plaguing them on their deathbeds. They'd join "communities" (read: circlejerks) on the internet where short men gather to pretend that being short is really okay, heightism isn't really that bad after all, pretend like all the "advantages" of being short are super great and amazing, and how being short and living as a mistreated short man and being the butt of society's jokes "made them a better person" and how they wouldn't want to be tall even if they could be (sour grapes syndrome). Reddit's r/short is an EXCELLENT example of a "community" like this.
Some would commit suicide. We already know short men have double the suicide rate of tall men, and suicide rates have been climbing for a long time now.
Some would drop out of society, never leaving their houses and only doing the bare minimum at work that they have to do to get paid and support themselves. This is a common phenomenon today.
This is a fantastic explanation by the poster.
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Take the train to Guangdong Province to farewell to my first lover and then go back home ending up with using charcoals to kill myself.
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I think it's ur genetics coz maybe u got really poor pain tolerance..or may be something definitely whent sideways duting ur surgery..whatever is the case i hope u get to normal soon and enjoy life as a normal taller person.
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I totally agree with u bodybuilder....just to think abt possibility that i can change my height makes me super happy....and i know how much of a joy it will bring to me if everything goes well....and i am also not some one not taking the risks lightly i am reasreching everything heavily nowadays and probably do it for a long time till i have enough time and money....it just gives me a extra level of confidence when i wear my 2 inch insoles and go out with my friends a lot of them give me more respect especially the ones who are like hanging from being short and also from ppl in the society in general....i feel more confident with girls too....the thoughts of this surgery is keeping my sanity very well and will be doing so for quite sometime....whn some one makes a point abt my height i just think it's ok u got this..u know there is a way u just need to wait....however long that is....from the word IMPOSSIBLE u already removed two letters..so chill and keep HOPING.
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Hey Alamin, which doctors are you thinking of going with? I heard that the PT with Giotikas is not so good but might be better now. Parihar sounds good for an economical choice
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Move on. There are other things in life apart from height.
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That is the realist Most Truthful response I've ever seen. It doesn't get more reaer than that! Wonder if i spelt realer.
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The first-ever realistic post I've seen from this user. This is what would actually happen. There would be forums dedicated to moving to Indonesia or other countries with VERY low average male heights.
To those talking about "accepting" their height in this thread:
There is no such thing as "acceptance". This is a myth perpetuated by the pseudoscientific "psychology" community. You do not "accept" traits about yourself that make you profoundly unhappy. You "resign" yourself to them, and live a deeply unhappy and unfulfilling life full of attempts to "fill the void" that not having what you want leaves in you. Resignation is NOT acceptance - not even close.
How many people would tell a man or a woman who's "unhappy with their gender" in 2018 to "accept" their birth gender and "move on" with their lives? How do you think the public at large would respond to you if you tried to tell a transsxxual to "accept" their birth gender? Do you think people would agree with you, or do you think they'd call you a "hateful transphobic" for trying to prevent these people from "being happy" by "changing" the thing about themselves that makes them unhappy?
Now compare this to a short person who's unhappy with their height and wants to change it. All of a sudden the public perception is that the short person is "mentally ill" and needs "therapy", and they need to "accept their height". Why?
Simple: Because in 2018, it is publicly acceptable to be unhappy with your gender, but NOT with your height.
What would people do if limb lengthening didn't exist? Here's the real answer:
Some would """accept""" their height - i.e. try not to think about it, tell themselves that their height isn't the reason they can't attract women, get respect from male peers, get promoted/be taken seriously in the workplace, etc. Basically follow the concept that "if you ignore the problem, maybe it'll go away". Of course, it won't, and these people will age and die having lived deeply unfulfilling lives with a load of "what ifs" and "if onlys" plaguing them on their deathbeds. They'd join "communities" (read: circlejerks) on the internet where short men gather to pretend that being short is really okay, heightism isn't really that bad after all, pretend like all the "advantages" of being short are super great and amazing, and how being short and living as a mistreated short man and being the butt of society's jokes "made them a better person" and how they wouldn't want to be tall even if they could be (sour grapes syndrome). Reddit's r/short is an EXCELLENT example of a "community" like this.
Some would commit suicide. We already know short men have double the suicide rate of tall men, and suicide rates have been climbing for a long time now.
Some would drop out of society, never leaving their houses and only doing the bare minimum at work that they have to do to get paid and support themselves. This is a common phenomenon today.
That is the realist Most Truthful response I've ever seen. It doesn't get more realer than that!
He says the Truth not the denial.
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To respond to some comments:
I think we can "accept" our height but it would be around age 40-50+ and married which at that point height objectively doesn't matter that much as like you're pretty much set in your career and going to be geriatric in a decade and retired. And at this age you don't really give a fk about anything anyways. Cue the stereotypical grumpy old man
I also think you can "accept" your height if you decide to be a monk and meditate for 5-10 years. Which at that point you pretty much accepted everything are no longer integrated into society nor are neurotypical.
So for the general person I think you can try to accept it, but if you have truly suffered height neurosis to the point of even considering LL and being on this forum, there is a very low chance you will actually "accept it" and remove that height insecurity besides like I said before, you're a middle to late aged man in which you don't give a crap about anything anyways. So i very much agree with extremis.
My own personal thoughts:
Before I discovered LL/before I found out about Stryde and this forum:
My long term life progress would be:
I would try to be succesful and everything but ultimately with the mentality that everything I do will have to be compensation IF I want to feel "good". And in the end, I feel like I would probably be stuck in the "Love and Belonging" section in the pyramid below. Sure I may have alot of things. But i'll feel like it's all compensation assuming I want to maximize my life. I was living in a sense of fear for the future. I didn't really know my path- my path was whatever increased my status and wealth solely for the purpose of compensating for height. It was fear. It was depressing. Listen- I don't judge if you revolve your life around money and "buy" your way into relationships and happiness. That's fine. But it's not something I personally like or enjoy.
(http://www.simpleimageresizer.com/_uploads/photos/305c1f18/Maslows-Hierarchy-of-Needs_4_25.jpg)
How this pyramid works is you start at the bottom and go up. The top (highest) section is the ultimate goal. You finish each section below before you can advance and go up by one.
After I discovered LL/before I found out about Stryde and this forum:
My long term life progress would be:
Man, I cannot even put this into words. A sense that I can self-actualize- just the possibility is what mattered. (Yes, whether I actually self-actualize is up to debate as majority of people eventually don't and just settle just by virtue of human tendencies to be lazy). But the sense that I have a possibility to self-actualize, and in the pyramid above, fulfill the "Esteem" section completely. It changes EVERYTHING for me. I know I was on the verge of tears the first day I read an LL diary which was a Stryde and this became my short-term life mission. Earn as much money as I can to get LL in the future. But more importantly I knew I would no longer have to live as a "short" person. Being the smallest kid or one of the smallest in my class for a majority of my life, this was a feeling that was so relieving. Height neurosis haunted me. And the feeling that I can kill height neurosis- it meant everything.
As for my immediate reactions after discovering LL
I know immediate in the short term after I discovered Stryde (and hence for the first time considered this surgery), I accentuated my height neurosis. Increased it quite a bit. Everything revolved around height, much more than But after a few months of being hooked on height and everything, i sort of created a mindset that is of a "normal stature" person and felt alot better. Instead of focusing on being short, I focused a little more on everything else as if I was already taller and didn't think about height at all. I assumed that I would "already" get LL and it doesn't really make logical sense to continue weeping about "staying short." It's weird I know. (I know covid definitely had to do with this, as I didn't go out much and didn't compare or do any BDD things so I could reflect more myself.)
The idea of "I will stay short forever, I am so sad" was completely decimated once I discovered this surgery (Stryde). It changed my mindset revolving around life for the better, besides the first few months where my height neurosis increased (like I said before already). It's irrational that I couldn't before, as with neurosises in general, but after discovering LL I finally feel a sense that I can have a normal life.
You can hate Paley all you want for his prices but I am just grateful he brought LL to America and eventually helped developed internal nails.
Summary:
Without LL, I would continue to be insecure and/until my fat wallet forced others to "like" me. Everything would revolve around compensating and superficial things like money. At least until I had a wife. Which probably would be a gold digger, and even if they genuinely liked me, I didn't like myself. So self-hate. I would live a somewhat normal life.. and... Self-esteem would probably be OK, but being OK is essentially not okay.
With LL, I can finally have a feeling that I will do my own thing. Do my own thing. Love myself. Genuine relationships in the future. Fu*k the money. Self-actualization. Self-esteem will be that of a normal person without the -100 stat of being short. Self-esteem will truly be molded by something that I can control now instead of height. (Yes, getting LL doesn't mean you will be a "happier" person by no means- but it removes height insecurity, and for right-minded people who have their priorities right and rational ideologies- they will enjoy life even a little more.)
I would like to finish this by saying height isn't everything, yes that is true. However, when you have low self-esteem due to your own height, no matter how irrational, you may as well feel like it is everything. It is not everything, you can most certainly have a normal life and career in terms of physical things. But when you are insecure, that is the worst feeling ever. Everyone who has ever been insecure of a body aspect like looks, weight, voice, etc, knows what I'm talking about. Mentally, it can be everything.
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I can only comment on this as a slightly under 5'7" (169cm) man. I can only imagine how rough it is for my lower 160s brethren. After learning about LL and obsessing over it for a few years, I took a break from this forum for a period of nearly 3 years and didn't think too much about LL. During this time I went through a decent number of girls and ended up dated two of them. At some points I even considered settling down (and thus forgetting about LL.) I think I was almost able to accept my height.
However, what kept me from accepting my height is all the comments from these girls reminding me of it. I've never had problems with women at 169cm. Although I would get rejected for my height sometimes, there were enough 7s and the occasional 8 willing to hook up with me to keep me busy. Most of these girls were hotter than the ones my taller friends were getting, though my friends have no standards or "don't date for looks" so that doesn't matter. If anyone asked me how tall I was I would tell them 172cm (which is a borderline acceptable height) and with lifts I've always been treated as such. However, even women perfectly willing to sleep with me would still point out that I was short and compare me to taller guys like their ex's. One girl even said we could hook up, but she literally didn't want to be seen with me in public because of how short I am (I was taller than her too.) So even though I could settle down with a decent looking girl and get married, I don't want to marry a girl who feels like she's settling for me because of my height.
If this surgery didn't exist I probably would have sulked for a few years after my initial meeting with height dysphoria seven years ago and then eventually settled down with a girl who I found decently attractive, but thought of me as short (and is probably a gold digger too.) It wouldn't be the worst life, but since LL exists I can strive for better.
Therefore I came back, and with the pandemic providing the perfect cover for cosmetic surgery, here I am with my legs broken and growing taller.
I suppose for me my shallowness and height dysphoria go hand-in-hand. If I didn't like hot girls I wouldn't need to be taller and I wouldn't have height dysphoria.
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To respond to some comments:
I think we can "accept" our height but it would be around age 40-50+ and married which at that point height objectively doesn't matter that much as like you're pretty much set in your career and going to be geriatric in a decade and retired. And at this age you don't really give a fk about anything anyways. Cue the stereotypical grumpy old man
I also think you can "accept" your height if you decide to be a monk and meditate for 5-10 years. Which at that point you pretty much accepted everything are no longer integrated into society nor are neurotypical.
So for the general person I think you can try to accept it, but if you have truly suffered height neurosis to the point of even considering LL and being on this forum, there is a very low chance you will actually "accept it" and remove that height insecurity besides like I said before, you're a middle to late aged man in which you don't give a crap about anything anyways. So i very much agree with extremis.
My own personal thoughts:
Before I discovered LL/before I found out about Stryde and this forum:
My long term life progress would be:
I would try to be succesful and everything but ultimately with the mentality that everything I do will have to be compensation IF I want to feel "good". And in the end, I feel like I would probably be stuck in the "Love and Belonging" section in the pyramid below. Sure I may have alot of things. But i'll feel like it's all compensation assuming I want to maximize my life. I was living in a sense of fear for the future. I didn't really know my path- my path was whatever increased my status and wealth solely for the purpose of compensating for height. It was fear. It was depressing. Listen- I don't judge if you revolve your life around money and "buy" your way into relationships and happiness. That's fine. But it's not something I personally like or enjoy.
(http://www.simpleimageresizer.com/_uploads/photos/305c1f18/Maslows-Hierarchy-of-Needs_4_25.jpg)
How this pyramid works is you start at the bottom and go up. The top (highest) section is the ultimate goal. You finish each section below before you can advance and go up by one.
After I discovered LL/before I found out about Stryde and this forum:
My long term life progress would be:
Man, I cannot even put this into words. A sense that I can self-actualize- just the possibility is what mattered. (Yes, whether I actually self-actualize is up to debate as majority of people eventually don't and just settle just by virtue of human tendencies to be lazy). But the sense that I have a possibility to self-actualize, and in the pyramid above, fulfill the "Esteem" section completely. It changes EVERYTHING for me. I know I was on the verge of tears the first day I read an LL diary which was a Stryde and this became my short-term life mission. Earn as much money as I can to get LL in the future. But more importantly I knew I would no longer have to live as a "short" person. Being the smallest kid or one of the smallest in my class for a majority of my life, this was a feeling that was so relieving. Height neurosis haunted me. And the feeling that I can kill height neurosis- it meant everything.
As for my immediate reactions after discovering LL
I know immediate in the short term after I discovered Stryde (and hence for the first time considered this surgery), I accentuated my height neurosis. Increased it quite a bit. Everything revolved around height, much more than But after a few months of being hooked on height and everything, i sort of created a mindset that is of a "normal stature" person and felt alot better. Instead of focusing on being short, I focused a little more on everything else as if I was already taller and didn't think about height at all. I assumed that I would "already" get LL and it doesn't really make logical sense to continue weeping about "staying short." It's weird I know. (I know covid definitely had to do with this, as I didn't go out much and didn't compare or do any BDD things so I could reflect more myself.)
The idea of "I will stay short forever, I am so sad" was completely decimated once I discovered this surgery (Stryde). It changed my mindset revolving around life for the better, besides the first few months where my height neurosis increased (like I said before already). It's irrational that I couldn't before, as with neurosises in general, but after discovering LL I finally feel a sense that I can have a normal life.
You can hate Paley all you want for his prices but I am just grateful he brought LL to America and eventually helped developed internal nails.
Summary:
Without LL, I would continue to be insecure and/until my fat wallet forced others to "like" me. Everything would revolve around compensating and superficial things like money. At least until I had a wife. Which probably would be a gold digger, and even if they genuinely liked me, I didn't like myself. So self-hate. I would live a somewhat normal life.. and... Self-esteem would probably be OK, but being OK is essentially not okay.
With LL, I can finally have a feeling that I will do my own thing. Do my own thing. Love myself. Genuine relationships in the future. Fu*k the money. Self-actualization. Self-esteem will be that of a normal person without the -100 stat of being short. Self-esteem will truly be molded by something that I can control now instead of height. (Yes, getting LL doesn't mean you will be a "happier" person by no means- but it removes height insecurity, and for right-minded people who have their priorities right and rational ideologies- they will enjoy life even a little more.)
I would like to finish this by saying height isn't everything, yes that is true. However, when you have low self-esteem due to your own height, no matter how irrational, you may as well feel like it is everything. It is not everything, you can most certainly have a normal life and career in terms of physical things. But when you are insecure, that is the worst feeling ever. Everyone who has ever been insecure of a body aspect like looks, weight, voice, etc, knows what I'm talking about. Mentally, it can be everything.
Im in my 40s and married and I can tell you it doesn't go away especially for people who grew up in combat sports
Extremis is 100% right.
Quote from: extremis on January 13, 2018, 04:48:37 AM
The first-ever realistic post I've seen from this user. This is what would actually happen. There would be forums dedicated to moving to Indonesia or other countries with VERY low average male heights.
To those talking about "accepting" their height in this thread:
There is no such thing as "acceptance". This is a myth perpetuated by the pseudoscientific "psychology" community. You do not "accept" traits about yourself that make you profoundly unhappy. You "resign" yourself to them, and live a deeply unhappy and unfulfilling life full of attempts to "fill the void" that not having what you want leaves in you. Resignation is NOT acceptance - not even close.
How many people would tell a man or a woman who's "unhappy with their gender" in 2018 to "accept" their birth gender and "move on" with their lives? How do you think the public at large would respond to you if you tried to tell a transsxxual to "accept" their birth gender? Do you think people would agree with you, or do you think they'd call you a "hateful transphobic" for trying to prevent these people from "being happy" by "changing" the thing about themselves that makes them unhappy?
Now compare this to a short person who's unhappy with their height and wants to change it. All of a sudden the public perception is that the short person is "mentally ill" and needs "therapy", and they need to "accept their height". Why?
Simple: Because in 2018, it is publicly acceptable to be unhappy with your gender, but NOT with your height.
What would people do if limb lengthening didn't exist? Here's the real answer:
Some would """accept""" their height - i.e. try not to think about it, tell themselves that their height isn't the reason they can't attract women, get respect from male peers, get promoted/be taken seriously in the workplace, etc. Basically follow the concept that "if you ignore the problem, maybe it'll go away". Of course, it won't, and these people will age and die having lived deeply unfulfilling lives with a load of "what ifs" and "if onlys" plaguing them on their deathbeds. They'd join "communities" (read: circlejerks) on the internet where short men gather to pretend that being short is really okay, heightism isn't really that bad after all, pretend like all the "advantages" of being short are super great and amazing, and how being short and living as a mistreated short man and being the butt of society's jokes "made them a better person" and how they wouldn't want to be tall even if they could be (sour grapes syndrome). Reddit's r/short is an EXCELLENT example of a "community" like this.
Some would commit suicide. We already know short men have double the suicide rate of tall men, and suicide rates have been climbing for a long time now.
Some would drop out of society, never leaving their houses and only doing the bare minimum at work that they have to do to get paid and support themselves. This is a common phenomenon today.
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I can only comment on this as a slightly under 5'7" (169cm) man. I can only imagine how rough it is for my lower 160s brethren. After learning about LL and obsessing over it for a few years, I took a break from this forum for a period of nearly 3 years and didn't think too much about LL. During this time I went through a decent number of girls and ended up dated two of them. At some points I even considered settling down (and thus forgetting about LL.) I think I was almost able to accept my height.
However, what kept me from accepting my height is all the comments from these girls reminding me of it. I've never had problems with women at 169cm. Although I would get rejected for my height sometimes, there were enough 7s and the occasional 8 willing to hook up with me to keep me busy. Most of these girls were hotter than the ones my taller friends were getting, though my friends have no standards or "don't date for looks" so that doesn't matter. If anyone asked me how tall I was I would tell them 172cm (which is a borderline acceptable height) and with lifts I've always been treated as such. However, even women perfectly willing to sleep with me would still point out that I was short and compare me to taller guys like their ex's. One girl even said we could hook up, but she literally didn't want to be seen with me in public because of how short I am (I was taller than her too.) So even though I could settle down with a decent looking girl and get married, I don't want to marry a girl who feels like she's settling for me because of my height.
If this surgery didn't exist I probably would have sulked for a few years after my initial meeting with height dysphoria seven years ago and then eventually settled down with a girl who I found decently attractive, but thought of me as short (and is probably a gold digger too.) It wouldn't be the worst life, but since LL exists I can strive for better.
Therefore I came back, and with the pandemic providing the perfect cover for cosmetic surgery, here I am with my legs broken and growing taller.
I suppose for me my shallowness and height dysphoria go hand-in-hand. If I didn't like hot girls I wouldn't need to be taller and I wouldn't have height dysphoria.
Before I married I had similar thinking to you, After LL really I was only 172 and after shoes about 175 but the truth is unless you are atlest 180cm you will be seen as short.
The disphoria atleast for me wouldn't go away until I was about 180cm which I wouldn't do by getting another LL because I would lose any athletic I have left AND my wife already whinged about my last LL and didn't want me to do it.
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Sorry about that brother. Sucks to still have dysphoria at that age.
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Before I married I had similar thinking to you, After LL really I was only 172 and after shoes about 175 but the truth is unless you are atlest 180cm you will be seen as short.
The disphoria atleast for me wouldn't go away until I was about 180cm which I wouldn't do by getting another LL because I would lose any athletic I have left AND my wife already whinged about my last LL and didn't want me to do it.
Did you do 4cm on tibias? I should be able to pass for 180 with shoes if I can max out this femur nail. However, even if I stopped now I wouldn't get a second LL.
It must be a lot tougher to get LL after you're married since spending decisions will have to be agreed upon by you and your spouse.
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Did you do 4cm on tibias? I should be able to pass for 180 with shoes if I can max out this femur nail. However, even if I stopped now I wouldn't get a second LL.
It must be a lot tougher to get LL after you're married since spending decisions will have to be agreed upon by you and your spouse.
Bro I haven't heard the end of it lol........I'm always reminded that I spent more than 20k on LL.
She even whinges to this day about the recovery as if she was the one that done it lmao.
I do notice though that she gets upset when women look at me.
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Did you do 4cm on tibias? I should be able to pass for 180 with shoes if I can max out this femur nail. However, even if I stopped now I wouldn't get a second LL.
It must be a lot tougher to get LL after you're married since spending decisions will have to be agreed upon by you and your spouse.
Nah bro i done like 5.5cms in tibia and 4cms on femurs.
Let me tell you the femur were the most excruciating pain in my life. Tibias were a walk in the park.
And look even 176 barefoot would be great then with shoes 180cms.
I regret not doing more than 4cms on femurs but I had no callus and was running out of funds so I had to stop.
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I would love if it was never invented, because then I would never even think of doing it 24/7 and devoting my life to getting it done.
It was only once I found out about the surgery...that I could actually do something about my height...that it caused me to go crazy learning as much as I can.
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Nah bro i done like 5.5cms in tibia and 4cms on femurs.
Let me tell you the femur were the most excruciating pain in my life. Tibias were a walk in the park.
And look even 176 barefoot would be great then with shoes 180cms.
I regret not doing more than 4cms on femurs but I had no callus and was running out of funds so I had to stop.
Interesting, most people who have done quads say the opposite that tibias were way more painful than femurs. Which doctor did your femurs and which method?
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Interesting, most people who have done quads say the opposite that tibias were way more painful than femurs. Which doctor did your femurs and which method?
This is also what I have heard from literally all patients i've been able to speak to.
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Interesting, most people who have done quads say the opposite that tibias were way more painful than femurs. Which doctor did your femurs and which method?
I used Dr Sarin for both, For femur I done a semi internal meaning their was one whole in each leg. The device wasn't lengthening enough with each turn of the pump. It was the HLN nail and I wouldn't receive it. Tibias yes for me were a walk in the park with Dr Sarin. I know other people had bad experiences but I was fine he took care of me.
Anyway yes femur for me was the worst.
Im ok now, I can even do one legged squats.
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Obviously if you do external Femurs, it will be torture. Semi internal = external
People who say tibia is harder than femur is referring to internal femur
External femur is the most painful and uncomfortable thing you can imagine.
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Obviously if you do external Femurs, it will be torture. Semi internal = external
People who say tibia is harder than femur is referring to internal femur
External femur is the most painful and uncomfortable thing you can imagine.
I seriously cannot believe that people even remotely consider external femur in 2021.
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Obviously if you do external Femurs, it will be torture. Semi internal = external
People who say tibia is harder than femur is referring to internal femur
External femur is the most painful and uncomfortable thing you can imagine.
I think you do not know which nail i used, Yes it was semi internal meaning there was a small hole on each femur about 3mm wide. You could wear clothes over it and go out if you wanted. Again still wouldn't recommend but its not external like you're trying to make out.
External femur equals monorails which have no internal rod and have 2 huge holes about 4 cms wide on each femur, I've actually seen it in real life back in 2012.Mine was nothing like that.
It also wasn't the 3mm holes that hurt, It was the pain in my muscles, Bone and nerves.
Anyway I wouldn't recommend HLN = Hydraulic lengthening nail.
https://ibb.co/4MZcBgG
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Interesting, most people who have done quads say the opposite that tibias were way more painful than femurs. Which doctor did your femurs and which method?
External tibias are almost painless.
I never had any pain except from the first 3-4 days after surgery with monorails.
Internal femurs are way more painful. Maybe internal tibias are even more I don't know.
But external tibias are the least painful way to do LL by far.
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@Body Builder. If the amount to lengthen is say just 5 cms, do you mean to say that one should prefer external tibias then?
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@Body Builder. If the amount to lengthen is say just 5 cms, do you mean to say that one should prefer external tibias then?
Of course. By far the safest way to do LL, the least painful, the cheapest and for 5cm you are not going to have fixators for more than half a year.
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hii.. has it occurred to anyone about the big what if??. what if this medical procedure was not invented, what would u do to solve ur problem of height neurosis?? i would be looking for a genie in a bottle or magic beans if there was no way to increase ur height
Probably killed myself.
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I would have been really disappointed. I would have been left with no choice but to develop thick skin.
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Deep down, I would feel better if this was not invented. At least then I know there's nothing I could do. But now with the knowledge of this...even with the side effects of LL, I cant help but feel bad if I could improve but dont do.
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At 5'7 and a half, would probably be better off. Could just forget about it and maximize everything else in my life
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Before I married I had similar thinking to you, After LL really I was only 172 and after shoes about 175 but the truth is unless you are atlest 180cm you will be seen as short.
The disphoria atleast for me wouldn't go away until I was about 180cm which I wouldn't do by getting another LL because I would lose any athletic I have left AND my wife already whinged about my last LL and didn't want me to do it.
How is you athletic ability after the surgery, are you able to run?
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Then I'd either get myself infected by Human T-lymphotropic virus I to achieve Leukemia or infected by MPTP or chemicals with similar structures to achieve Parkinson to improve my current unflexible bad situation through deteriorating my physical function for a way better mental health.
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Then I'd either get myself infected by Human T-lymphotropic virus I to achieve Leukemia or infected by MPTP or chemicals with similar structures to achieve Parkinson to improve my current unflexible bad situation through deteriorating my physical function for a way better mental health.
You're already somehow infected. Do you still want LL?
JUST *UCKING DO LL !!
AND STOP INSULTING OTHERS AND SPREADING YOUR *ULL *HIT