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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: Wannabegiant on February 10, 2014, 06:28:54 PM
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Okey guys i decided to start my diary now because the only thing left preventing me from going is sorting out the Visa/Visum for Russia, which will probably take me about 5 workdays to be granted. After that Im going to Moscow as ive already made arrangements with the Clinic.
Starting height: 174-175 cm
Goal height: 178-179 cm (4 cm gain)
External Tibias with Dr. Bagirov in Moscow.
According to the Drs assistant, I am allowed to return home 5 days after surgery and lengthen at home, although I have planned to stay for the complete lengthening phase which will take about 40 days.
I was originally intending to go with Dr. Mirzoyan but i decided this was a better option because the flight is closer, the price is cheaper, the clinics reputation is better, and their external device is smaller and easier to hide.
I also opted out of getting the double incision, since i dont want my ankles to get any longer and skinnier. Its probably safer in the long run.
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Good luck buddy!!
How much do you think the whole process will cost you?
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Good luck buddy!!
How much do you think the whole process will cost you?
Thank you mate!
Its 6000 USD for the operation and 1000 USD for a month stay at the hospital, and for both the flight tickets about 600 usd total. its definitely a manageable price, i know plenty of people who have debts from study loans that are significantly higher than that. I still live with my parents (im 23 years old) so i havent needed to take any loans, it evens out :)
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Sounds good man. Going external only it's a safe bet that you're in the best hands in Russia, birthplace of Ilizarov fixation.
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Sounds good man. Going external only it's a safe bet that you're in the best hands in Russia, birthplace of Ilizarov fixation.
Yeah thats a good point :D, internal was never an option for me though because of the much higher price, the extra operation to get rods out and high risk of knee problems, also the idea alone of having metal inside my bones makes me feel uneasy :p
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Hi. It's awesome to see a new diary from the patient such a potentially promising doctor, who will use such a potentially promising device. Would you mind elaborating on just how similar this device is to the Salamehfix?
Also, do the doctors and staff at Dr. Bagirov's hospital speak fluent English? If not, how is the language barrier overcome?
Have you met or learned of any past cosmetic LL patients of Dr. Bagirov?
I sincerely hope you have a very smooth and complication-free journey. People like you, who pursue their goals, regardless of how strange they may seem to others, inspire me greatly. I think you are very smart and responsible to limit yourself to 4 CM. We've seen too many cases of people who got too greedy with the amount they gained and ended up disproportional and never fully recovered. 4 CM is still a noticeable amount, and you will have a fantastic chance of achieving a full recovery, especially with external-only.
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Hi. It's awesome to see a new diary from the patient such a potentially promising doctor, who will use such a potentially promising device. Would you mind elaborating on just how similar this device is to the Salamehfix?
Also, do the doctors and staff at Dr. Bagirov's hospital speak fluent English? If not, how is the language barrier overcome?
Have you met or learned of any past cosmetic LL patients of Dr. Bagirov?
I sincerely hope you have a very smooth and complication-free journey. People like you, who pursue their goals, regardless of how strange they may seem to others, inspire me greatly. I think you are very smart and responsible to limit yourself to 4 CM. We've seen too many cases of people who got too greedy with the amount they gained and ended up disproportional and never fully recovered. 4 CM is still a noticeable amount, and you will have a fantastic chance of achieving a full recovery, especially with external-only.
Thank you for the kind words Tall, this site and people like you make this journey seem much less frightening for me.
Everything ive heard about the doctor sounds great so far. I have only spoken to his assistant, a woman named Alida. However she speaks pretty good english so I assume the Doctor can as well. The only issue I have with them is their website which is severly lacking in information, but according to them an english version is under construction (im using google translate with the current one) so hopefully it will be easier for future patients.
This lack of information has made me have to ask a lot of questions to the assistant, and currently the only thing she hasnt been able to answer is questions regarding the Visa. I know I need a Business Visa to stay longer than 30 days because that is what the embassy in Sweden told me, and before I apply it at the embassy I need an invitation letter.
Now I noticed that invitation letters for Business Visa can be bought online, but the assistant of Dr. Bagirov made it sound like she was going to send me an invitation letter, but i havent gotten another response in 4 days now. Im kind of losing patience to be honest, I just want all of this to be over with, as my time window is now. I would hope to be out of the frames until summer but the more time i lose now makes it unlikely.
Btw, There is a video of the external device, and according to the assistant, it is almost completely invisible under regular trousers, not sure how true that is but it looks small, here is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBvPwpjWcF8&feature=related
Also yeah 4 cm is perfect for me, it might seem strange, but i know that at that height I would be the person I always pictured myself as. And exactly like you said, I want to be conservative because this makes it more likely that: I will recover faster and hopefully 100%, it wont affect my proportions and biomechanical function much, and with an increase of 4 cm people i know might notice something is different but not to such a degree that they will bring it up.
I also have a perfect excuse just in case somebody might see me in those frames (despite how unlikely that is), I will just say that I did a bow leg correction. ;)
Edit: About other patients of Dr. Bagirov, the only ones I know about is "En" who made a diary at that old forum, and another patient posted in her diary as well, both of them seemed very satisfied overall.
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I lost patience with the visa process too...
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Thanks for writing this diary. Even though I may be busy at the gym or at work, I always check back on this website to know what is going on.
Honestly, I don't think anyone would notice your 4cm increase. Even at 8cm, no one talk to me about my height increase. But I agree with you, conservative is the best choice. There is no point in taking risk and you need to get back to 100% full recovery. Plus external only is a long process.
If I were you, bring these supplements along.
1. Bone builder supplements - like calcium tablet and other mineral
2. Vitamin C - I find it helped me with curing itches and fight off infection from the open wound
3. Melatonin - it's natural sleep enhancer. Pop a pill when you find yourself having difficulty sleeping
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Thanks for writing this diary. Even though I may be busy at the gym or at work, I always check back on this website to know what is going on.
Honestly, I don't think anyone would notice your 4cm increase. Even at 8cm, no one talk to me about my height increase. But I agree with you, conservative is the best choice. There is no point in taking risk and you need to get back to 100% full recovery. Plus external only is a long process.
If I were you, bring these supplements along.
1. Bone builder supplements - like calcium tablet and other mineral
2. Vitamin C - I find it helped me with curing itches and fight off infection from the open wound
3. Melatonin - it's natural sleep enhancer. Pop a pill when you find yourself having difficulty sleeping
No problem mate, ive been reading your diary too, its very good and helpful :)
I agree that 4 cm would not be easily noticed by just looking at me, however when i stand next to my old friends and acquaintances, people will probably notice that im not noticably shorter than them like i used to be. I know a LOT of people who are 5'10, and many of those guys imo are likely to notice that we are the same height after the surgery, since its very obvious that many of them take pride in their small height advantage they have over me. This is apparent in their body language and sometimes some comment might subtly touch upon it.
Thanks for the supplement list :D I already stocked up on calcium tablets and Vitamin D. I also actually have melatonin because i had trouble sleeping before, but i didnt think about bringing them with me with all the controls you have to go through when flying. I bougth melatonin online from amazon but I actually think it is illegal to buy in Sweden, not sure.
Im also thinking about buying Vitamin K, as ive read it stimulates bone growth and works in tandem with vitamin D, but im not sure if it actually works or if its necessary, im not familiar with this vitamin.
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Update:
Finally recieved the invitation letter! Il be going to the embassy and then book the flight, so late next week or early in the week after that i will definitely be going. This Visa crap slowed me down a lot but its almost over now :P
My first criticism starts now though, the personel they use to communicate with customers have pretty bad english ive come to realize, at least it seems like they understand most of what you are saying to them, however it is quite hard sometimes to understand what they are writing back to you. Also they are pretty slow to respond overall.
It also seems like they charge in EUR, not USD. So the prices i posted earlier might not be accurate. This is weird cause I heard from several sources here that it was USD, well it is still a cheap price so it wont matter :)
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Update:
feeling a bit down today even though it is valentines day (lol), Apparantly the cost for surgery in Moscow is much higher 16.000 euros. I asked them if the cheaper price that I have been told about was their price for surgery in Azerbadjan, and since they are so slow to respond I will probably not get a response until monday..so much time wasted.
If it is the same price in Azerbadjan then i might have to go to Dr. Mirzoyan anyway :-\ However since Crimsontide mentioned that the price was 6000 USD after talking to the Dr recently, im fairly confident that the lower price is true for Baku. Bagirov only operates there once a month, so if i missed my opportunity for februari, i will just have to go in Mars >:(
I will also have to wait until they send me another invitation assuming the price above is true, which will probably take a week considering their response rate..
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I wish you all the best whichever you choose, not only on the pricing but for your health during LL.
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I wish you all the best whichever you choose, not only on the pricing but for your health during LL.
Thank you kindly!
Well there some semi good news at least. I recieved response from Bagirovs personal email finally during the weekend (I guess as a doctor he has to work weekends while his assistants only works weekdays).
He told me price for Moscow was 6000-6500 Euros for surgery and 5-6 days stay. And on average 80 euro per day if i want to remain longer at the hospital.
Thats more expensive than initially thought but still acceptable for me (16.000 is too much though so i hope that was an error on the assistants part), and I rather go to Moscow than Baku even if the price in Azerbadjan is lower.
If i get clarification today about price, then i will go to embassy today as well and my Visa will be ready on friday, so then i will travel hopefully monday the week after. Much later than initally planned but the Visa and the communication with this clinic has been pretty bad and slow.
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Update.
Good news now everything is in order, the Visa will be ready next week tuesday. I will perform surgery on the first of mars (01.03.2014)
So im going to book the flight today.
However, to anyone planning to go to this clinic, it doesnt seem like they have dealt much with foreign patients, or at least the staff seem pretty clueless when it comes to Visa information etc. Communication has been a hassle, but with patience it can be done, even though it delayed my trip by about 2 weeks.
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Congrats on your visa. Did they confirm the pricing?
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Congrats on your visa. Did they confirm the pricing?
Thank you mate, hope its going well for you too with your plans.
Yes, they confirmed the 6000-6500 Euro price for surgery and 5-6 days hospital stay, not sure what the price interval is dependant on, but its a good price still.
Im considering renting an apartment rather than staying longer at the hospital though, as hospital stay seemed more expensive than initially planned. Honestly the only reason Im not going home earlier during lengtening is because i want them to confirm that I actually gained 4 cm when im done. I guess that can be done at home if i go to an ortopedic and get x-ray but it will be akward to tell them about the whole story. id rather have Dr. Bagirov do it, but i havent decided yet if im going to stay for the whole lengthening phase.
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Go for it man. I wish you a good luck, and hopefully everything turn out to be just fine. Keep us updated here. :)
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Go for it man. I wish you a good luck, and hopefully everything turn out to be just fine. Keep us updated here. :)
Thank you man! yes il make sure to keep you guys posted:)
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UPDATE:
Im in Moscow now, at the clinic. Everything went smoothly, 2 hour flight from Sweden, and they picked me up at the airport. The only negative thing was that the traffic is insane here, took about 2 hours to drive to the clinic from the airport i landed on. Supposedly there is another one closer by but i didnt have the option to choose with this time schedule.
The clinic is quite small but feels safe and the personnel are all nice and friendly, very few of them know english though but it was no problem in the end. A translator came and told me how we where gonna proceed, they served me a warm meal and now i can relax and sleep whenever i want, I have my own room with Bed, TV, refrigerator, and the Wifi is pretty good. Toilets are clean and everything looks fresh. No complaints.
Tomorrow I wont be allowed to eat because they are gonna do blood tests and other tests in preparation for the surgery, I will talk to Dr. Bagirov as well and make the payment. Then I will do surgery on saturday and stay about 5 more days, then i will make the decision if i want to stay longer or go home and lengthen. Im leaning on staying a bit longer but since i cant stay for the full lengthening phase anyway because my Visa only lasts until the first of april (my insurance certificate didnt allow for longer), i might stay for ten more days to see if there is any problems, after that i might feel it is safe enough to travel home, then i will come back for a check up in about 2 months.
I took some pics of my room, will upload them soon.
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It's happening Wannabe...
All the best!
UPDATE:
Im in Moscow now, at the clinic. Everything went smoothly, 2 hour flight from Sweden, and they picked me up at the airport. The only negative thing was that the traffic is insane here, took about 2 hours to drive to the clinic from the airport i landed on. Supposedly there is another one closer by but i didnt have the option to choose with this time schedule.
The clinic is quite small but feels safe and the personnel are all nice and friendly, very few of them know english though but it was no problem in the end. A translator came and told me how we where gonna proceed, they served me a warm meal and now i can relax and sleep whenever i want, I have my own room with Bed, TV, refrigerator, and the Wifi is pretty good. Toilets are clean and everything looks fresh. No complaints.
Tomorrow I wont be allowed to eat because they are gonna do blood tests and other tests in preparation for the surgery, I will talk to Dr. Bagirov as well and make the payment. Then I will do surgery on saturday and stay about 5 more days, then i will make the decision if i want to stay longer or go home and lengthen. Im leaning on staying a bit longer but since i cant stay for the full lengthening phase anyway because my Visa only lasts until the first of april (my insurance certificate didnt allow for longer), i might stay for ten more days to see if there is any problems, after that i might feel it is safe enough to travel home, then i will come back for a check up in about 2 months.
I took some pics of my room, will upload them soon.
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I'm very happy for you... and I wished I should have gone to Russia one year earlier for LL if old forum didn't pimp India so hard.
Russia is where LL was born. And I think you're very brave for being the first person I know of who make this journey to Russia. It's almost like an uncharted territory and it is rewarding because of the price but there are a lot of unknown.
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Thank you guys, yeah its quite uncharted territory, but I have been talking to a psycologist in preparation for this surgery. He had access to the healthcare records of former patients from Sweden who has done this surgery, according to him most swedish patients go to Russia for this surgery, because of price and proximity, majority of them where very satisfied with the results as well, thats all the details he could share with me, but it seems legit.
But so far im very impressed here, I feel very safe here because everybody is so nice, also there is a russian patient here who speaks very good english, his name is Sasha, it looked like he was doing external femur lengthening which is odd since i didnt know they did femurs in this clinic, he told me his situation was complicated and i didnt want to ask to much.
I just did a blood sample test this morning (man they took a lot of blood, filled like 5 tubes), but now i can eat and drink again. in a few hours I will talk to the Doctor, so im going to write down some important questions for him, so that i am prepared.
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Update:
Did a test with a cardiologist, no problems there. And they scanned my legs for a computer measurement. Pretty cool machine actually, looked sci-fi:ish
After that i had to sign the papers, the cost was 6450 euros to be exact. I will make payment tomorrow, dunno why it was delayed. I also didnt get to meet the doctor today, will meet him early tomorrow and then the surgery will be done about 12 pm (noon)
I took a shower, and got a meal, now i have nothing to do. i could go outside and look around in the vincinity if i wanted to but i rather stay inside to avoid getting a cold or any other trouble. Feel bored and nervous at the same time, weird..
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All the best :). Will you be posting pictures?
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All the best :). Will you be posting pictures?
Thank you man! Yeah at first I was gonna wait to do it until i get home, but since i got nothing better to do right now i might as well upload a few pics of the room. I use dropbox with my phone and computer so it should be easy. But after i have surgery tomorrow i wont upload any pics until i get home :p
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Update:
Pics of my room:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pz9oy3lk0ahxdxx/Photo%202014-02-27%2019%2039%2048.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1l02w628j3ezjgg/Photo%202014-02-27%2019%2040%2000.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4zjltoLL Forumszrab1/Photo%202014-02-27%2019%2040%2003.jpg
the toilet is nice:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fc58rt28esujdpr/Photo%202014-02-27%2019%2043%2029.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9p0dxr3htvbrgu1/Photo%202014-02-27%2019%2043%2034.jpg
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There seem to be a lot of Swedish people doing this surgery everywhere around the world.
Best of luck now. I remember the nervous feeling ;D
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There seem to be a lot of Swedish people doing this surgery everywhere around the world.
Best of luck now. I remember the nervous feeling ;D
Yeah lol, i think it is a combination of Swedish people being tall in general and people here being self centered and status obsessed, and because of that a certain height requirement is required to be accepted as one of the "cool guys".
I could never move permanently from this place though, mainly because it would feel like i "lost" and ran away. I rather be a big fish in the big sea, compared to a big fish in a small pond (if i moved someplace where people are shorter or something).
Also, thank you, i hope everything gets better with you too, ive been reading your diary at the old forum :-\
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Congrat in starting your journey..
the cost of the surgery is really cheap, if I got replay form any clinics that contacted in Russia, I wouldn't do LL it in India!
I took a look at the pics, and your room looks small, but who cares..
I'm not sure if it's wise to return home before finishing distraction phase, may be you could extend your visa if your clinic provide you with a letter that indicates you have to stay longer to avoid the complications and so on ..
Good luck ..
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Would it be possible to extend your visa if you wanted to?
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Yeah Im kind of scared of going home during distraction, but most people report problems either in the very beginning, or at the end for those who lengthen a lot.
So i think if i can avoid the early problems i should be fine since im only lengthening 4 cms.
I dont think i can extend my visa, since i would have to apply again, and i dont know where i would go to do that when im in Russia. I would need the updated insurance cerfitifate as well, and it works kind of like a subscription, so we wouldnt be able to update it until it ends (we get a bill to renew it once it ends in the first of April)
if something goes very wrong, its a 2 hour flight away. Also i think an ortopedic in Sweden should be able to help me with most of the smaller problems at least.
Its a risk for sure to lengthen at home, but i dont think i have a choice. Also it would be quite expensive to stay a month in this hospital. I think its like 80 euro on average per day..
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its a 2 hour flight away
well since you're paying so much attention to the cost, I don't think you'll go for this option
apply for tourist visa now that one shouldn't be so complicated to get.. 80 euro is not so expensive if it include the meals and nursing..
per in mind it's not just the surgery that it must be done in a good way... treating the complication that may occur is challenging and need experience dr, otherwise I think any dr could do LL operation very well it's not a big deal, but you cant choose any dr to deal with complications.. it just my opinion ....
Today is your surgery, right?
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Update:
i had the surgery about 1 hour ago, everything went smoothly, I was awake during the procedure with local anesthesia. It was over in about 30 mins i think but i couldnt keep track of time that accurately.
Right now i have mixed feelings, I know that i HAD to do this, but I feel a bit down since I can barely move my legs now.
Also the information i recieved so far was a bit bothersome. Apparantly I had a quite substantial angle discrepancy on my tibias (I always had this apparantly, never had any problems because of it that im aware of), its easily fixable acccording to the doctor but because of this i have to stay for minimum 2 weeks so he can adjust the rotation of it. Then i can make the decision when i go home and continue lengthen.
The other bothersome information i recieved is that they believe the distraction phase will take about 8 weeks to complete, thats 56 days, with lengthening 1 mm a day I thought it would take about 40 days? I dont know yet but i think while fixing the angle problem i should be able to lengthen at the same time, if not that might explain why there is about 2 extra weeks for distraction. I will have to ask for clarification here.
Also the last bothersome thing was that they believe that i will have the frames for 6 months, but I guess that is including the time i will spend distracting, in that case it makes sense. Hopefully i can shorten this time somehow.
Thank god that the personell is so good here though, they are all very nice and friendly (not anything like the russian stereotype) and there is a quite young girl named Anna who works here who is a blessing, she can speak decent english and she is cute and so nice and caring. Also Dr. Bagirov himself while he barely knows any english, is a friendly guy who smiles a lot and seems caring. Also he seems to be very skilled and he answered all the questions i could think of at the moment without any problems.
I guess I was to optimistic about the time schedule.. I was hoping to get this done relatively fast, doesnt seem likely at this point. I wont be able to wear shorts for the entire summer it seems.
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30 minutes, that's kind of fast. Are the frames smaller and are you feeling any pain? Congrats on a smooth surgery.
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30 minutes, that's kind of fast. Are the frames smaller and are you feeling any pain? Congrats on a smooth surgery.
Yeah it felt really fast, they gave me earpieces so i could listen to music while they did the surgery. I got anesthesia through a spine injection, was slightly painful but mostly scary.
I feel a little bit of pain in my legs, but i would mostly call it discomfort rather than pain, they feel tense and swollen. I can move my toes pretty easily which the doctor said is a good sign. I dont really feel tired either, but i slept very well last night afterall.
But i must say it feels really scary and bad just thinking about the fact that your bones are cut off, im afraid to even move because of this even though they assure me that i will be walking by tomorrow with aid.
Also I had a Q&A a few minutes ago with Dr Bagirov and another surgeon who could translate. Its good to write it down what they said here so i remember the answers.
They told me that the whole process could be over in 6 months, that is including the whole distraction phase. so that feels kind of what i expected. Distraction is slower than i expected, but apparantly it is because i wont start distracting until 5 days.. this makes me worried about premature consolidation but at least they will be here to notice it if it happens. Then i will distract for 5 more days and on day 10 Dr Bagirov will start to correct the angle problem, he told me that he already fixed half of the angle discrepancy during the surgery, and the rest he will start to fix on day 10, and that will take about 4 days i think.
Then i can fly home, and Dr. Bagirov is very certain that i wont run into any big complications, only small problems might appear and he told me that he will be able to instruct me through email about how i can fix these problems while im home. After 2 months i will fly back and he can make any final adjustments if needed, also if i have any cosmetic concerns he will fix them as well without charging.
Then i go back home again and just wait for the bones to harden.
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Also:
The frames are definitely smaller than the average externals i have seen. They can be hidden pretty easily under soft pants and probably some slightly wider type of jeans. But they are honestly a little bigger than i expected them to be, not sure why i expected that.
Also I will get everything including instructions to lengthen, what supplements are recommended, physical therapy exercises etc, written down soon. Makes me feel better.
The whole feeling of, "whoa cant believe im doing this" has pretty much gone away now. The sensation of excitement and being nervous has changed to me feeling restless and impatient..At least im happy that im not wasting any more time from now on, im actually working to make my life better every day from now on, and that is what keeps me positive right now.
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Congratulations Wannabegiant! It sounds like you really found a fantastic doctor and I wish you all the luck in the world.
If it's not too much trouble, do you think you could post some pics of your frames?
Thanks,
Tall
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Congratulations Wannabegiant! It sounds like you really found a fantastic doctor and I wish you all the luck in the world.
If it's not too much trouble, do you think you could post some pics of your frames?
Thanks,
Tall
Thank you! Yeah he seems very intelligent, caring and experienced. And since the surgery went so smoothly and he doesnt dodge any question i feel relatively safe.
Im currently not in condition to take any pics, i cant move out of bed on my own (at least i dont dare to try, and probably shouldnt) and im under the bedsheet. I will take pics whenever i can, but depending on how i feel tomorrow, i might wait to upload pictures until i get home, so in 14 days. :P
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Yikes. I didn't realize how immobile you are at the moment. Sorry about that.
You take it easy and don't worry about the pics. I must say though, that I do envy your privilege of staying in bed all day ;) Look at the bright side. At least you don't have to go to work for a few days!
Good luck,
Tall
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Yikes. I didn't realize how immobile you are at the moment. Sorry about that.
You take it easy and don't worry about the pics. I must say though, that I do envy your privilege of staying in bed all day ;) Look at the bright side. At least you don't have to go to work for a few days!
Good luck,
Tall
No worries man, it feels good to have people to talk to while im here. The pics will come eventually :)
also i must tell you.. for most of 2014 i didnt do much other than stay in my room preparing and waiting for this surgery to happen, i decided to postpone my final school term in my university program to do this surgery so i havent been studying or doing anything this year other than in january to finish classes from last term.
I will finish the last term at the end of this year instead, i figured my results would be better if i can study while being happy with myself, so it was the obvious choice for me.
I also avoided meeting with most friends and acquaintances this year, the more time spent before they see me, the less likely they will notice that i changed during this trip. (i lied about going to another country where i have relatives to get work there, since i wouldnt finish school this term, and they bought it)
So its actually less depressing here than i have been the last 2 months in my home kind of :P
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Congratulations! I wish u all the best.
When u'll have time could u please write those excercises dr told u to do? :-) Thank you! :)
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Have you pre-arranged an orthopod in Sweden to follow you up once you get home?
No worries man, it feels good to have people to talk to while im here. The pics will come eventually :)
also i must tell you.. for most of 2014 i didnt do much other than stay in my room preparing and waiting for this surgery to happen, i decided to postpone my final school term in my university program to do this surgery so i havent been studying or doing anything this year other than in january to finish classes from last term.
I will finish the last term at the end of this year instead, i figured my results would be better if i can study while being happy with myself, so it was the obvious choice for me.
I also avoided meeting with most friends and acquaintances this year, the more time spent before they see me, the less likely they will notice that i changed during this trip. (i lied about going to another country where i have relatives to get work there, since i wouldnt finish school this term, and they bought it)
So its actually less depressing here than i have been the last 2 months in my home kind of :P
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I will post all the info here that will be of help for future patients including the exercises for sure.
And now that you mention it I probably should think ahead and make contact with an orthopedic sooner than later..I have lots of time and i dont think it takes very long to get a meeting but still.
i appreciate all the advice :D
Gonna finish watching a movie, then its sleepy time. I have barely had any pain today, they gave me an automatic pain killer supplier, its dripping 6 ml every hour into my spine, works wonderful.
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good luck wannabegiants.
I am considering doctor salameh, but this doctor it looks like very good. do you know how many patients he has made for cosmetic lengthening?
i am from spain.
cheers
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good luck wannabegiants.
I am considering doctor salameh, but this doctor it looks like very good. do you know how many patients he has made for cosmetic lengthening?
i am from spain.
cheers
Thank you!
Yeah Dr Salameh is also a very good option i think. The main differences between them imo is that Salameh is considerably more expensive (in Germany) but his external device seems smaller and easier to hide compared to the ones Bagirov uses (I have them, and while they are smaller than average, only a few types of trousers would be able to reliably hide them imo, but i havent tried yet.
In terms of how talented they are as surgeons i dont think there is any easy way to compare, both seem very talented. Dr Bagirov told me not to worry about complications as he has done "many, many surgeries", this he told me straight up with the limited english he knows :) I didnt want to question his skills as it seemed rude, so i didnt ask specifically how many though.
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I've been enjoying reading your diary but I really must ask and I'm sure you've thought about it: "Why only 4cm?" This surgery, lengthening, and consolidation process will be a pretty traumatic part of your life and cost you money and time as well as the fact you won't be able to do many everyday, physical things and will be an invalid for months. 4cm is only 1.57inches which is a nice little gain but in my opinion if you target at least 2 to 2.5 inches, you'll notice a much stronger gain after the surgery and probably look back without regret. It's really your decision but for such an endeavor as limb lengthing, this is something I'd recommend you take time to think deeply about.
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I've been enjoying reading your diary but I really must ask and I'm sure you've thought about it: "Why only 4cm?" This surgery, lengthening, and consolidation process will be a pretty traumatic part of your life and cost you money and time as well as the fact you won't be able to do many everyday, physical things and will be an invalid for months. 4cm is only 1.57inches which is a nice little gain but in my opinion if you target at least 2 to 2.5 inches, you'll notice a much stronger gain after the surgery and probably look back without regret. It's really your decision but for such an endeavor as limb lengthing, this is something I'd recommend you take time to think deeply about.
Ive been asked that a lot. The main reasons is that i know i will be satisfied with myself at that height (178 cm), it will be much easier to hide the truth from my friends with a smaller height gain, and also because i wont have to be hide from them for as long. I dont want to risk getting weird proportions either, and i want to have a higher chance of achieving full recovery.
But i can understand why people think one should get as much as possible from such a huge sacrifice of time, money and effort that is LL.
But from my point of view, with gaining 4 cms, i already will have to wear the frames for a minimun 5 months in total (including lengthening phase) and that means no partying, no sex etc for the entire period. summer will be ruined since i cant swim and wear shorts among other things, and i will always have to be cautious when outside and meeting friends because they might notice the frames under my trousers, or they might bump into me and find out.
I wouldnt want to increase that period with even one month or more just to be maybe 1 cm taller than the 4 cm i planned on.
I also intend to intensively try out taking glucosamine sulphate once i enter the consolidation phase, and probably permanently after im healed. I have heard of people getting as much as 3 cms of height after some months of taking the pills every day. How much you can gain from this probably varies from individuals but it has been confirmed to give some height at least, also it is gained in the spine so it will counter balance the proportions i get from this surgery a bit.
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You just got to improvise..
no sex etc for the entire period...
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You just got to improvise..
Haha
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I've heard of situations where two people wearing Ilizarov frames make love. That metal on metal action must really make the sparks fly ;)
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Not a problem. Just like to lovers kissing with dental braces on.
I've heard of situations where two people wearing Ilizarov frames make love. That metal on metal action must really make the sparks fly ;)
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Haha you guys are pretty funny.. ;)
Right now i feel a bit down, I was off pain medication for most of the day and even tried to walk for a bit(they removed the spine tube and the urine tube), but after only walking a little, i felt dizzy and had to lay down again, they said this is normal. After standing up the pain in my legs got progressively worse and eventually it become to much so I called them to give me pain killers, i got injection into my leg and the pain slowly was reduced but not completely. It wasnt super painful to begin with but constant and the feeling was strong enough to make you unable to focus on anything else. now it is minor.
Anna really is fantastic, she had the day off but still came to check how i was doing, we where talking about some casual things and laughing, really made me feel better. It helps that she is beautiful too and caring, looks especially good in her casual clothes. She knows decent english but I used google translate and she had some ipad app that worked even better at translating russian into english.
Overall i must say that this is definitely the hardest challenge of my life so far, having to lie to friends and being gone for so long losing precious time, spending a lot of money on a thing which many people in my country has naturally.., the pain and the inability to move and being bored and frustrated etc, and it has only just begun.. although i feel this will definitely become more manageable after the first weeks, the pain lessens, and i will fly home in 12 days and when at home time will pass faster and i wont feel as lonely.
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Aren't you staying there for lengthening like other patients? Or you are going to lengthen at home?
Anyway, you should offer to teach Anna some English or ask to learn some Russian *wink* *wink* maybe something might happen.
Yes, it's the hardest part of your life. But once you get through with this, you won't regret it. It's a drag that we have to go through this for something that other people have naturally. However, once you are done, the paradigm shift will be incredible. You will be 5'10 but have the experience of life of someone who was 5'8.
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Have you started lengthening and has Doctor Bagirov follow up on you?
Best wishes.
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hello giant!! well done, the most painful part is over, there will be many more types of pain but if you want 4cms, it shouldn't be that crazy difficult!! keep calm and take it day by day my friend)) I really wouldnt recommend you to go back home but hey thats your choice))) I hope you dont find your self flying back and fort because of complications, like broken pins, infections etc. Just make sure the screws are tight all the time and the rods have space enough for 4cms!!! Im curious to see how things work with this type of Ilizarov frame)) Make sure to walk a lot! stretch and use your foot holders at all times if you are not standing!! this is very important! You must keep your feet at 90degress and your knee completely straight. If you wanna finish fast you should walk minimum 5 hours a day, eat meets, carbs, and vegetables, extra proteing powder, calcium with vitamin D of course)) but you must walk a lot!! Your most important PT should be stretching your calf muscles while your knees are straight and walking. You dont really need anything else.
If 4cms makes you feel like the man then 4 centimeters it is!!!! the most important thing is that you feel good! that is the whole reason of this op right?)))
oh, avoid coffee and sugar, this also slows the bone heeling process.
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Dear Wannabegiants,
I've been reading your diary.
I wouldn't like you to feel bad for what you've done. There is no point after something is decidedly done, allowing the past to yank at your pants. There is a new wannabegiants now.
I stand 168 cm. I'm considering Dr. Bagirov, too, due to my financial powers :P. I realize his last name is Turkish if you don't count in the last Russian/Bulgarian suffix -ov.
I was wondering, Could you confirm if he can speak Turkey's Turkish? (Since you had mentioned they hang a bit low on the English side).
I am really curios to follow your diary, I've already added a shortcut to my destop :) . Your diary is very important to me to make my final decision with the doctor. Hope all is going well with you. Hope to hear from you soon with the updates.
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"Bagir" means "Shout" in Turkish, though "Bagirov" sounds Azerbaijani. Most people I know from Azerbaijan can grasp Turkish, but I can't exactly grasp Azerbaijani, I have to listen very carefully, it's a different dialect. Most people from Azerbaijan also speak Russian.
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Hi Chris,
I've been reading your diary, too, :), There is one language, Turkish language based on Turkish grammar. Azerbaijan, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Kazakistan, Ozbekistan, Kirgizistan, they all speak the same language with their own dialects. "Bagir" is asian-dialect of "bekir" in Turkey. It's not about "bagir" :) or shouting. -ov in bulgarian for -son in English, like Jack-son, Bagir-ov. In Turkey, it is bekiroglu.
I support your decision going with Istanbul. Highly advanced city in health. A lot of Turkish doctors are trained in either europe or the states and they come back with the latest skill-sets.
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I went to Istanbul because I'm Turkish.. It's basically where I live anyway :D
That "Bekiroglu" explanation for mind blowing. Thanks for the linguistics lesson!
And thanks for supporting my decision.. It's ironic that we're so terrible with social and human rights, yet so advanced in the medical sector (on par with the US and arguably better than Europe)
@Wannabegiant:
Sorry for crowding up your diary man. Cheers.
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Chris, we look alike in some ways, though I am older at 32 (but I show very young like 25 :), hope that's a good thing :p ). I'm Turkish, too. From the city of Izmir originally. And about to become a US citizen after a year, living in NY as you are a US citizen, too, if I'm not wrong. I like the entertaining way of yours telling things in your diary :) It's fun to read. Wish you a sound recovery.
@Wannabegiants: Sorry about the clutter :)
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Dear Wannabegiants,
I've been reading your diary.
I wouldn't like you to feel bad for what you've done. There is no point after something is decidedly done, allowing the past to yank at your pants. There is a new wannabegiants now.
I stand 168 cm. I'm considering Dr. Bagirov, too, due to my financial powers :P. I realize his last name is Turkish if you don't count in the last Russian/Bulgarian suffix -ov.
I was wondering, Could you confirm if he can speak Turkey's Turkish? (Since you had mentioned they hang a bit low on the English side).
I am really curios to follow your diary, I've already added a shortcut to my destop :) . Your diary is very important to me to make my final decision with the doctor. Hope all is going well with you. Hope to hear from you soon with the updates.
Hello guys sorry for my inactivity, ive been tired because of lack of sleep my last nights, i will post some updates today to let everyone know how it is going. So far everything has been pretty managable.
Dr. Bagirov, im almost certain that he is Azeri (from Azerbadjan) same with his assistant, Dr. Fahkri. They both have very limited English, but speak perfect Russian and i assume the native language of their home country. Im not sure if people from Azerbadjan are turkic or iranian but if his name is Turkish i guess that is your answer. But i dont know if all turkic people from different countries speak the same language, i wouls assume their would be some differences but im not sure.
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hello giant!! well done, the most painful part is over, there will be many more types of pain but if you want 4cms, it shouldn't be that crazy difficult!! keep calm and take it day by day my friend)) I really wouldnt recommend you to go back home but hey thats your choice))) I hope you dont find your self flying back and fort because of complications, like broken pins, infections etc. Just make sure the screws are tight all the time and the rods have space enough for 4cms!!! Im curious to see how things work with this type of Ilizarov frame)) Make sure to walk a lot! stretch and use your foot holders at all times if you are not standing!! this is very important! You must keep your feet at 90degress and your knee completely straight. If you wanna finish fast you should walk minimum 5 hours a day, eat meets, carbs, and vegetables, extra proteing powder, calcium with vitamin D of course)) but you must walk a lot!! Your most important PT should be stretching your calf muscles while your knees are straight and walking. You dont really need anything else.
If 4cms makes you feel like the man then 4 centimeters it is!!!! the most important thing is that you feel good! that is the whole reason of this op right?)))
oh, avoid coffee and sugar, this also slows the bone heeling process.
Yes, with 4 cms i will be minimum 178 cm which i know will be enough for me to not feel short, which is exactly what i want. I realize the "worst" part is over but now i have to deal with the fact that this is going to take a loong while until i can live like a regular person again..
Im not keeping my legs 100% straight, but almost (would be impossible to sleep otherwise. I stretch them instead some times during the day, both the knees and the calves.
I also dont use a footholder, but i have a box at the end of my bed that is kept in place by a metal bar attached to the bed. This box keeps my feet 90 degrees for the most part, and i stretch my calves as well.
i eat some protein supplements, not a lot though, do you think the regular protein powder you but from gym stores would be beneficial?
I also take vitamin D, Zink, and calcium supplements, along with some special "bone regen" tablets that i bought from the clinic before i left, not sure what substances there are in it because it reads in russian, but the Doctors said i should eat them every day.
For regular food, i eat a lot of canned tuna and chicken breast for protein as well as other foods with the standard carbs and fat and protein, i avoid soda drinks for the most part and sweets. i dont drink milk because i heard it is acidic and makes you lose more calcium than you gain, not sure what tot hink about that though..
I dont think i have to worry about broken pins or complications other than infections, this ilizarov frame is slightly different, and they use very strong pins that might bend for a maximum of a 3 mm loss in height gain. They guaranteed me that they wouldnt break and it seems like they are correct so far.
I have medicine (antibotics and ointments) for infections if i happen to get one.
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Aren't you staying there for lengthening like other patients? Or you are going to lengthen at home?
Anyway, you should offer to teach Anna some English or ask to learn some Russian *wink* *wink* maybe something might happen.
Yes, it's the hardest part of your life. But once you get through with this, you won't regret it. It's a drag that we have to go through this for something that other people have naturally. However, once you are done, the paradigm shift will be incredible. You will be 5'10 but have the experience of life of someone who was 5'8.
She is very nice indeed, I did teach her some english in fact. But i wouldnt go further because i dont want to become attached to anyone here, i just want to get this surgery done and then pretend like i never had surgery and just got taller :P
I know i wont regret it, there was no way i would live my life not being able to be the person i should have been. :) that keeps me going. I realize that we who go through this will have a mental toughness that most other people especially those who are taller cannot match. I will use this to my advantage as my life goes on after this.
Btw, it seems most patients who go to Dr. Bagirov decide to lengthen at home, During my 2 weeks at the hospital (i decided to fly home a little earlier than i first expected because everything seemed to be in control and i got homesick) i saw patients come and go, i didnt see anybody who was there before me and was still there when i left.
It seems safe to be honest because Dr. Bagirov has done a lot of surgeries and people are still comfortable with going home to do this. Another patient i met there who spoke Russian and English (he was almost done with lengthening and returned to the clinic for some corrections), told me that he had done his research, and that all of Bagirovs patients got what they wanted in the end, and recovered. Some took longer than others because of complications (mostly caused by the patients disregard to follow the doctors instructions), but in the end all cases where successes according to him.
Of course i dont know how he got his information but it seems mostly reliable.
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I went to Istanbul because I'm Turkish.. It's basically where I live anyway :D
That "Bekiroglu" explanation for mind blowing. Thanks for the linguistics lesson!
And thanks for supporting my decision.. It's ironic that we're so terrible with social and human rights, yet so advanced in the medical sector (on par with the US and arguably better than Europe)
@Wannabegiant:
Sorry for crowding up your diary man. Cheers.
No worries mate, thank you for helping with the linguistics info! You are correct, i didnt ask but im almost certain that Dr Bagirov and his assistant Dr. Fakhri are from Azerbaijan.
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Update:
Okay im copy pasting this from my PM:s with Jerry. I was to tired when i got home to update my diary but since i was asked in PMs from people who where considering surgery with Dr. Bagirov soon, i answered as fast as i could there.
Since i got home i can tell you this:
Overall i must say it is a great clinic, the nurses are friendly and social, the food is decent (seems healthy but doesnt taste that good), the doctors are professional and seem very kind and caring as well.
The only negative would be the fact that very few of them knows english, but i solved that by using the voice translator application on my phone. You need Wifi for it to work, but the wifi at the hospital is really good actually, i never had any problems with internet connection etc.
They sell the medicine you need to lenghten at home quite cheap, and also they borrow you the walker. The rooms are quite small but i never had an issue with that, who needs a big room when you can hardly move right? :p
I definitely recommend it, although i am still far from done.
First days after surgery you will be on a lot of pain killers (they keep injecting it into the spine) after 2 or 3 days they remove it and start using needles in the thighs for painkillers if you need it. Pain while walking will be a combination of a constant pain of about 3 or 4, and if you misstep a bit or move to fast or put to much weight onto one leg it will be a sharp pain following that of about 8 or 9, but it goes away quite fast if you regain balance, it makes you a bit scared while walking though.
While laying down, it can sometimes be very unnoticable, barely any pain, although sometimes you can start to feel great discomfort in your muscles and overall soreness around the bone break sites.
This gets gradually better, but then it starts getting harder as well when you start to lengthen, however the first cm should be pretty easy relatively speaking. Remember with painkillers it would very easy i think but i tried to use as little as possible because it slows down bone fusion.
it has now been over a week since i got home from the clinic and i have made a lot of progress.
I have lengthened slightly over 1 cm and so far have very little pain, almost unnoticable, only slightly when im moving and trying to stand up from my bed it hurts a little, my knees sometimes feel i little stiff when i have layed still for a long time but i have no problems with moving my knees or straightening them competely.
only big problem is that i am pretty tired because i simply am unable to sleep during the nights, i maybe get 2-3 hours of sleep then i wake up because of sensations and tension in my lower legs, usually walking a lot after that makes it stop but it is hard to go back to sleep and im constantly tired because of this.
Also, i havent talked with Dr. Bagirov since i came home, i have only talked with one of his assistants who have conveyed questions and answers between us. So it works fine, however Bagirov did send me an email asking how i was doing etc, and i answered him and told him the only problem i have was sleepless nights, but i didnt get any answer.
His assistant Fakhri and Anya are much easier to reach than Bagirov, and they do a good job giving information.
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my only recommendation is please use the foot holder! stay strong))
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my only recommendation is please use the foot holder! stay strong))
I didnt get any footholder from the clinic, i guess i need to buy it online, so far im using a box at the end of my bed which keeps my feet in 90 degrees. But i dont think i will have problem with ballerina at 4 cms of lengthening. Im stretching and walking too!
Btw, I have read your diary RGKEY, can you elaborate on how you manage to walk "6 hours a day"? It seems so excessive and i dont understand how one could even mentally do something like that.
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I didnt get any footholder from the clinic, i guess i need to buy it online, so far im using a box at the end of my bed which keeps my feet in 90 degrees. But i dont think i will have problem with ballerina at 4 cms of lengthening. Im stretching and walking too!
Btw, I have read your diary RGKEY, can you elaborate on how you manage to walk "6 hours a day"? It seems so excessive and i dont understand how one could even mentally do something like that.
no man no need to buy them online I think you can make them your self. I made this vid for you. You need foot holders man!! this is for sure. I know of one person who didnt use them, and he had to stop at 4cms, with a massive ballerina!!! doctor told me he was walking like a spider!! please i dont want that person to be yoU!!!
http://youtu.be/-xWTxi3_BY0
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no man no need to buy them online I think you can make them your self. I made this vid for you. You need foot holders man!! this is for sure. I know of one person who didnt use them, and he had to stop at 4cms, with a massive ballerina!!! doctor told me he was walking like a spider!! please i dont want that person to be yoU!!!
http://youtu.be/-xWTxi3_BY0
Thank you mate for the great video! i will try to make something similar. I notice that you seem to have put an item (a book maybe) between your feet and the footholder, i assume that is to gain added pressure on the upper part of the foot so the achilles is stretched more.
One thing i dont really see clearly in this vid is how you attached the ropes to your ilizarov, did you tie them to the upper rings?
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sorry about that, i made a very improvised video, i was on the run(( as soon as i saw your message i made it.
http://youtu.be/8YE2Fr52nM0
http://youtu.be/Wgkjjx9hFcE
i hope it helps my friend))
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Great videos mate, thank you once again, this weekend im gonna try to make something similar. So far i have been using a box and a file folder (because of its shape, it is thicker on one end, i use this part to press against my toes/upper part of the foot.
This doesnt give as much pressure as those footholders are able to but they keep my feet 90 degrees or better. The footholders look much more convenient to use though.
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Hey wannabegiants i have sent you a messaje!
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Hey wannabegiants i have sent you a messaje!
Yes i saw your message mate! But all the info i can give you about the Doctor and clinic i chose is here in this diary. I cant really speak about the other doctors since i havent met them. So far everything seems very good about the clinic and doctor i chose however, while it might be to early to say anything since im not done yet, i still feel confident that i can recommend this clinic.
Also i would prefer to avoid skype since i have my account connected to my facebook.
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wannabe, can you walk now??? will we able to walk during lengthening??? i see rgkey walking ok with the fixators on though. I'm hoping dr bagirov's frames are smaller
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wannabe, can you walk now??? will we able to walk during lengthening??? i see rgkey walking ok with the fixators on though. I'm hoping dr bagirov's frames are smaller
Im pretty sure if i tried to walk without aid right now i would trip and fall, I can stand still and put full weight on my legs without them hurting but if i try to walk with full weight the pressure when standing on one leg would be to much i think.
They said that patients on average can walk 1,5 months after surgery, but this is very individual. And yes Dr. Bagirovs frames are smaller than the regular ones Rgkey has.
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Hello Hope you doing fine , i want to do 7cm can I go home with that aim ? thaks
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Technically he could walk without crutches right after few days post op. But the pain plus the muscle weekneess and fear to fall will not allow it. The ilizarov frames support around 3 or 4 times your body weight. Is pretty much as if you were walking with healthy normal bones. People do your researches!))
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Update:
Reached 2 cm today. So far pretty much no pain, only a little soreness and knee stiffness after laying still for to long, i walk better every day that goes by it seems. Sleep is getting better too although it is still hard to relax since there are always sensations in the legs that become more noticable when trying to sleep.
Most of my worries are gone, only things im scared about is getting an infection which would slow down my schedule a lot and be painful, and my biggest worry is left however, im really scared that i might lose some of the height i gained when they remove the frames, I heard about subsidence, and it apparantly is a problem with externals only. I really need to talk to my doctor about this because there is no way i would accept lengthening 4 cm and then ending up with 3 cm because of subsidence. In fact i wont accept anything less than exactly 4 cm down to the mm..
I have had limited contact with the clinic the last few days since i havent really needed to talk to them, but i guess i need to send them an email soon about this.
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Hello Hope you doing fine , i want to do 7cm can I go home with that aim ? thaks
Hi its going good so far, And yeah im pretty sure they allow all patients to lengthen at home, doing that much at home could be risky though, maybe going back to the clinic for the last cm would be a good idea, safer at least. Although staying at the hospital gets quite expensive.
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Hello Wannabegiant
Long time lurker, first time poster(Both forums)
I plan on staying for the whole process- distraction, consolidation and frame removal and will only head back home once its all been removed. Can only imagine what kind of looks I'll get at the airport going back home with the frames on :-\
How long would I have to stay for to do 5cm? And I mean for the whole process.
Would you be able to re-upload your pictures? Seems to have been deleted
Thanks
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Hello Wannabegiant
Long time lurker, first time poster(Both forums)
I plan on staying for the whole process- distraction, consolidation and frame removal and will only head back home once its all been removed. Can only imagine what kind of looks I'll get at the airport going back home with the frames on :-\
How long would I have to stay for to do 5cm? And I mean for the whole process.
Would you be able to re-upload your pictures? Seems to have been deleted
Thanks
Im not sure that would be a good idea, 5 cm could take between 7 or 10 months from surgery until you get the frames removed(most likely about 7, but up to 10 with complications etc). it would get extremely expensive staying at the hospital.
You can easily hide the frames with long softpants, and i got help through the airport as a disabled person would (I was in a wheelchair). People wont have any clue about what you have done unless you wear shorts.
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Im not sure that would be a good idea, 5 cm could take between 7 or 10 months from surgery until you get the frames removed(most likely about 7, but up to 10 with complications etc). it would get extremely expensive staying at the hospital.
You can easily hide the frames with long softpants, and i got help through the airport as a disabled person would (I was in a wheelchair). People wont have any clue about what you have done unless you wear shorts.
Agreed, but what about when you beep going through the metal detector? Did they inspect you thoroughly, wouldnt want to be inspected infront of everybody.
My main reasons for wanting to stay there for the whole process is because no one knows Im doing this but one friend, Im the same as you in that Im also 23 and still live with my parents and currently at university. Basically I'll be telling them that Im going on a gap year which seems believable, dont want them worrying and telling me Im fine how I am and go buy a nice car instead lol.
It would become extremely expensive indeed if I stayed for the whole process and the price would skyrocket to roughly the same as LON/LATN with Dr. Birkholtz in South Africa. Going home early is not an option for me I dont think. Thanks again for the reply, look forward to reading the rest of your diary
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Agreed, but what about when you beep going through the metal detector? Did they inspect you thoroughly, wouldnt want to be inspected infront of everybody.
My main reasons for wanting to stay there for the whole process is because no one knows Im doing this but one friend, Im the same as you in that Im also 23 and still live with my parents and currently at university. Basically I'll be telling them that Im going on a gap year which seems believable, dont want them worrying and telling me Im fine how I am and go buy a nice car instead lol.
It would become extremely expensive indeed if I stayed for the whole process and the price would skyrocket to roughly the same as LON/LATN with Dr. Birkholtz in South Africa. Going home early is not an option for me I dont think. Thanks again for the reply, look forward to reading the rest of your diary
The clinic wrote some kind of certificate for me, but they made it so the certificate stated that i had done some kind of corrective surgery to keep my privacy intact. They had contact with someone on the airport who escorted me in the wheelchair, im not sure he had to use the certificate even, but i didnt have to step through the metal detector. Im sure if there was some issue that certificate would have solved any problem that might have arisen.
Im gonna use it when i fly back there after lengthening is done too.
I have one year of my university program left.. had to postpone it to do this surgery. Fortunately my family supports my decision and helps me at home.
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I think you can wear cast or braces when you take off the device.
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I think you can wear cast or braces when you take off the device.
For extra caution yes why not. However your bones are already well formed when doctor decides it's time to remove external frames. Therefore it's not necessary I think.
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In my case i would be more calm with somes braces in my legs.
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Hi Wannabegiants,
are your device so small to wear hidden under the trousers? that is my bigger concern.
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Hi Wannabegiants,
are your device so small to wear hidden under the trousers? that is my bigger concern.
They can be hidden under soft pants and some wider type of jeans/trousers. Nothing slim fit will work though of course. But the frames are small in comparison to the other options.
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Update:
Some general information about the whole LL experience:
Pain Level
So far very little pain, occasionally i feel a slight pincing pain in the incision areas and around the knees, as well as the front of the upper shins.
Mostly its just discomfort though, and knee stiffness after laying still for to long, or having them bent (when sitting) for extended periods of time. This goes away pretty fast after walking for a bit.
I guess it might get worse soon though as im working on my third cm..
Subsidence Loss
And im no so worried about the subsidence loss any longer, i read some studies about it and apparantly the average loss is around 0.6 mm, which is minimal. Those studies claiming losses of 1 cm and more had measurement errors that the authors admitted. And that doctor Franz who is posting here is probably referring to those studies when he claims 0.5 -1.0 cm loss is common, since he has only done 2 cosmetic surgeries so far himself.
Also Dr. Bagirov said that he recommended i turn a few extra mm to be safe but i should not lose anything as long as we remove the frames once the bone is solid enough.
Weightbearing
I have walked since the second day after my surgery, It was painful then but they gave me painkillers. However I stopped using painkillers completely after about 5 days post surgery, and after about 10 days post surgery walking was relatively pain free for me. And now i dont feel any pain pretty much while walking (of course i cannot walk without the walker/crutches yet but it feels like i might be able to soon)
I have minimal pain and can walk a lot without problems, I could walk a lot more than i do (and i would say the ammount i do walk is still quite a lot) but i dont feel like pushing my limits and prefer to take it nice and easy. No signs of infection either so far.
Id say i walk in total maybe for about 1-2 hours a day combining all the time im standing and moving (ie away from the bed), although i gradually increase the ammount. I intend to walk a lot more during consolidation phase though for sure. But 6-8 hours a day sounds like overkill for me personally.
Frames
Bagirovs frames are smaller and allow full range of motion, they dont feel that heavy.
Both of the half rings are technically under the knee, but the upper half ring crosses over part of the knee, meaning that one of the pins of the upper half ring goes through the top of the fibula here to keep it in place i assume.
The half ring on the top has 4 semi thick pins going into the leg, and the lower half ring has one single large and thick pin going into the leg. The ankle full ring has 6 small and thin pins. So that means 11 pins per leg.
its hard to explain how the pins are placed but i have no ankle problems and its easy to move my feet. Also while knees get a little stiff (which is normal for all kinds of LL) i have full range of motion for my knees, they can extend and bend fully with these frames.
Caretaker
I think it would be very difficult to take care of yourself in this condition at least for the first 2 weeks after operation, after that it gets better and more movement is gained. at this point you wont be able to walk up and down stairs, i had to sit on the stairs and lift myself up with my arms going backwards, one step at a time, and then when i reach the second floor, my family helped me get back to my feet.
I guess it is possible after that but will be hard to make food for yourself when you have to stand with the walker holding it with at least one hand and then cooking with the other hand, not sure how that would work, i guess fast food is an alternative but then again you are supposed to eat healthy for best results, im fortunate my mother makes excellent tasty and healthy food for me every day.
Preventing Infection
You dont need to change the pin site dressing as long as it is dry and you dont see any signs of infection, there will be dry blood so it might look nasty but it doesnt neccessarily mean there is a problem.
If you DO get an infection you need to change the dressing of course and you get to buy medicine for it from the clinic, ointments to use at the infected area.
You are not supposed to wash your legs for the whole duration of the surgery. You can scrub them i guess with a towel (avoid water to get into the pin sites though.
When washing you put on some plastic bags around the frames and legs and tie it up over the knees so no water gets through, then sit down on a stool/bench or something and wash the upper body and mid section. then make sure you are dry before removing the plastic bags.
Exercises
Other than walking, The clinic recommended a few types of stretches and exercises, stretching the calves by pulling the top of the feet backwards towards you. You can either lay down while doing this or walk towards some stairs or a doorstep, and put your toes/front part of the feet on top of them and press down with your body weight to stretch the calves. When doing the regular version when laying down using rubber bands can be a good option. The other exercise was for the thighs, laying down on your back and trying to raise the legs one at a time while keeping them straight.
Also while the Doctor mentions that keeping the knees straightened at all times while laying down, if you have trouble with this you can compensate by stretching the knees, by putting some weight on top of the knees while the feet are elevated on top of something.
Medicine
You get the option to buy the required medicine for the lengthening phase by the clinic, relatively cheap, or you can buy it yourself. However i bought it from the clinic. And the daily pills i take is 2 pills in the morning for thinning out the blood and prevent trombosis, and one blood thinning pill at the evening. Also supplements include a bone regen pill, and Vitamin B. Other than that i take my own Calcium and Vitamin D supplements, as well as zink and Vitamin C.
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Also, at this moment i have less than 1.5 cm left and about 19 days of lengthening if i can keep doing 0.75 mm/day. Still no signs of problems.
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Great man you are almost there!!)) Your consolidation and recovery will be so fast!!!! You will recover like if yoy never did anything! ))
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Great man you are almost there!!)) Your consolidation and recovery will be so fast!!!! You will recover like if yoy never did anything! ))
Thanks for the encouragement bro! I certainly hope youre right :)
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any ballerina?
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wannabe, do the uppr half rings touch your legs?? They literally grip mine...
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good luck wannabegiants.
are you in your home now, in sweden?
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Hang in there, man! You're almost there ;)
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any ballerina?
No, not at all actually ;) I stretch the calves for a few minutes every day, and also wear the foot holders at all times when laying down. I dont feel any stiffness in the calves and i still have full mobility there, but i can feel the achilles tendon burn (that feeling when you stretch) more than before the surgery when i perform the stretching exercises, so obviously it has been tightened a bit but not enough so that it can affect my movement yet it seems.
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wannabe, do the uppr half rings touch your legs?? They literally grip mine...
I must have thinner legs than you then, i think there is slightly less than 1 cm of space between the upper rings and my legs, but they dont touch each other.
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good luck wannabegiants.
are you in your home now, in sweden?
I went home to Sweden 10 days after the surgery. (technically on the 11:th day i took the flight in the morning). I was supposed to stay longer but they said they could make any adjustments needed when i got back and was done lengthening, so i wanted to save money and left earlier.
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Hang in there, man! You're almost there ;)
Thank you! ;)
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No, not at all actually ;) I stretch the calves for a few minutes every day, and also wear the foot holders at all times when laying down. I dont feel any stiffness in the calves and i still have full mobility there, but i can feel the achilles tendon burn (that feeling when you stretch) more than before the surgery when i perform the stretching exercises, so obviously it has been tightened a bit but not enough so that it can affect my movement yet it seems.
you are a champ!
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Well done WBG! 8)
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you are a champ!
Thank you man! a lot of the good progress is thanks to your help with the footholder videos :) i didnt realize how important they where until i started using them
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Well done WBG! 8)
Thank you! 8)
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Update:
Just hit 3 cm today, so now i have about 2 weeks left of lengthening, after that the worst part will be over, feels pretty good. Pain level hasnt changed from what i can notice.
I must admit that this journey has been easier than expected in terms of the physical aspect, but the mental aspect of staying positive after being in isolation for so long is tougher than i thought, its definitely manageable though thanks to great tv-series like Game of Thrones and Supernatural etc.
Since i havent had any real complications or unexpected difficulties i will try to list the negative experiences here to give a more balanced look at my LL journey so far.
1. For most of my Lengthening phase i have been unable to get a good nights sleep, i might get 2 or 3 hours of uninterrupted sleep but after that i always get some discomfort and have to move a little and it takes a while for it to go away, and some minor pain and stiffness also keeps you awake. As a result some days i was up all night and then became really tired during the day (for some reason it was easier to fall asleep during the day, as i have less discomfort in the legs during the day compared to the night)
2. I have lost a lot of muscle in my legs, not so much in my upper body though. Surprisingly, most of the muscle loss happened to the thighs. I expected my calves to experience the greatest muscle loss but the thighs where affected more. I guess the walking style i use with the walker/crutches makes use of the calves more than the thighs or something. I think i can regain all my muscle mass in about 3 months of working out at the gym after i have recovered, assuming i dont lose even more in the time i have left in consolidation phase. In that case i have to work for quite a while until i have the same muscle mass again.
3. The weather here in Sweden is starting to get good, with lots of sun. There are rainy and gray days in between still, but im starting to get a real big urge to get outside my house now..but i cant, and will miss most of the summer. I definitely would recommend any future LL:ers (who intend to lengthen and consolidate at home) from countries with limited summer, to start right after summer has ended so you have a chance to get healthy in time for the next one.
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If you want sun you come to morroco where the sun is everywhere
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If you want sun you come to morroco where the sun is everywhere
Yeah i know its a beautiful country from seeing pictures and hearing about it from others, one day i hopefully will visit. My goal in life is to travel to as many countries as possible after all. Its great because majority of countries have warmer weather than Sweden, suits me perfectly. For some reason i cannot imagine moving away permanently from Sweden though, maybe i am afraid to move away from my comfort zone or something.
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Small update:
I changed my pin dressing today just to get rid of some of the dry blood that has been stuck for over a month now, felt real good to get rid of it and the pin sites look great, clean and dry.
However i noticed that these external frames actually has 12 pins per leg now. I had previously said it was 11 per leg, but one extra pin was hidden under the set of 4 pins on the upper half ring. I couldnt see it because of the pin dressing covering it, and i just assumed there where 4 pins because i had 4 cotton pieces placed there.
I have to start the visa application this week again..i wonder if i have to go to the embassy myself or if i can send a family member with my passport and their own.. hopefully because even if i go there with car, there are lots of stairs..
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wbg, i wonder how our scars will look like.... the small pins on the bottom, socks cover that so who cares, but the 5 or 6 on top.... think it should be ok
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Update:
The last few days i think i have gotten my first problem that i didnt really expect, doesnt seem to be a big deal though.
I have gotten more pain (pincing or like it stings a bit every now and then) at one of the pin sites, specifically the one located at the highest half ring at the inside of the left knee. The pain is not that bad but really uncomfortable and makes it hard to stretch in some positions etc.
It mostly hurts when i bend or straighten the knee, when im laying flat with my legs straightened, it doesnt really hurt at all. when im walking it only hurts a little, and its a bit difficult to fully extend the knee while walking/standing because of this.
I dont think the pain is connected to the lengthening/turning the screws, because the pain never got any worse after i turned and also its only in my left leg. I suspected some kind of infection but many of the normal signs are absent, like i dont have any swollen skin, the skin in the area is normal color, and it doesnt feel warm. Also the pin site itself seems to be dry and clean.
So im not sure if this is a early sign of infection or some kind of nerve or muscle damage, doesnt seem dangerous though, it hasnt gotten worse at least, but we will see if it heals itself or if i need to take antibiotics.
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Have you notified your doctor ? it doesn't sound like an infection to me.
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Have you notified your doctor ? it doesn't sound like an infection to me.
I actually checked again and the pin site was slightly ulcered now (and by that i mean very slight, like the cotton piece had a few dots of yellow and the pin site was still dry but some very small spots of ulcer.
So there might be a small infection even though i lack the other signs. I used antibiotic ointment on the wound and it seems to work, after half an hour it got a bit warmer and started hurting more, then a while after that it stopped hurting, i havent tried walking since i put on the antibiotics but i will try after a while and see if there is progress.
I think its to early to ask the doctor, it doesnt seem to be urgent and my mother is a nurse anyway. im almost done with lengthening too.
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wbg, i wonder how our scars will look like.... the small pins on the bottom, socks cover that so who cares, but the 5 or 6 on top.... think it should be ok
Yeah for me the scars are no big deal, not that visible and with some leg hair i doubt anyone will notice even in the early phases before it has healed a bit, i will use some creams to improve the scar healing as much as possible though.
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How are you doing?
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How are you doing?
I had some rough days this past week because of the infection, it didnt hurt much while i was laying down, but bending the knee hurt like hell at times and also the bending of the knee became super stiff, like a rusty cog wheel. My right leg that didnt have infection however had full mobility and no pain, because of this i could manage walking a bit. But i became harder to stretch and sleep and i was afraid of moving my infected leg in fear of a spike in pain levels.
But the wound at the pinsite seems to have healed a lot looking at it today, thanks to the antibiotic ointment i got from the clinic that also stimulates healing tissue. So the stinging pain from the pinsite is mostly gone and im not as stiff as before, i can with some warmup get my left knee straight again while standing.
I only have like 5 days left of lengthening, do that feels good.
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Congrats WBG on the almost complete of lengthening. :) When are you going back to Moscow again? How long will it be before removal of the frame?
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Congrats WBG on the almost complete of lengthening. :) When are you going back to Moscow again? How long will it be before removal of the frame?
Thanks man! Im probably going to book a flight at the very start of May, after Walpurgis Night is over. I wont be able to get an accurate estimate of how long i will have the frames until i get an x-ray which they will do at the clinic once i get there. However for 4 cms they said average is 6 months total from operation day to frame removal, so maybe 4 more months... hopefully it will be faster than that though, i will walk way more in consolidation phase to increase the speed of bone healing.
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Update:
I reached 4 cm today according to my spreadsheet.
I have no pain, no ballerina and the infection is gone. However my left leg where i got the infection is still quite stiff and a bit difficult to straigthen the knee, but fortunately i dont need to lengthen anymore so i think this problem will resolve itself pretty soon.
The doctor advised me to lengthen a few mm extra in case their is pin bending, but i chose to skip that, partly because of my left knee problem, and also because i decided that 3 mm is not going to make a difference in how i feel, i feel very happy with my height now when i stand straight and compare myself to my dad who is 180 cm tall, there is barely any difference between us in height, so i must be around 178-179 cm.
My right leg has very good mobility, i can move it very fast and pretty much freely as if the fixator wasnt there. Its awesome, if only my left leg didnt have the knee bend problem, i would probably be able to walk without aid now.
I think a big factor as to why my left knee is having problems bending and straightening now, is because i have some loose piece cartiladge below the knee as a result of Osgood–Schlatter disease which i got when i was about 15 and playing football. This didnt bother me when i was walking and running, only when kneeling and doing sports did it bother me.
However i quit football at 18 and since you are not supposed to remove the excess cartilage from this disease until you have stopped growing, i forgot about removing it. Definitely wish i did it before LL. However it will be among the first things i do after i am finished with LL, compared to this it is a very simple procedure.
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i have the exact same issue as you, i mean exact.... my right leg is great, i can walk ok with walker now, but moving my left leg, not easy, same issue at exactly same spot,,, idk why, but its very very uncomfortable... if i didnt have this issue,life would be great right now
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That's great man.
When you come back you need to start seeing a doctor who can tell you what to do.
Or did you plan to wait after frame removal?
They can take it off in Sweden you know. For free.
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That's great man.
When you come back you need to start seeing a doctor who can tell you what to do.
Or did you plan to wait after frame removal?
They can take it off in Sweden you know. For free.
Yeah youre right im definitely gonna do that as i get back home, i need to see someone here in Sweden so i can take x-rays and send them to Doctor Bagirov. However im not sure what kind of doctor i should look for, and orthopedic, or a regular house doctor to begin with?
Im still undecided as to where i will remove the frames. It seems the Doctor wants the patients to remove them at the clinic in Moscow, and he told me they wont do it until they know the bones are hard enough. Its very tempting to do it in Sweden however like you said, so i could skip doing this awful Visa business once again..
But im not sure if they want the frames back in Moscow or if the local doctors in Sweden will be qualified to know when it is safe to remove the frames without the risk of the bones subsiding. Bagirov will know this with his experience. Maybe i can keep sending him x-rays and he will tell me, and still let me remove them here in Sweden, that would be optimal.
Btw grattis till att du nått 55% nu! fortsätt på samma sätt så kommer du nog nå nära full återhämtning till sist, kanske 100%, aldrig fel att hoppas. Efter att ha sett dina videos är jag hoppfull för min egen återhämtning :)
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Call your house doctor. Be honest and tell him. It's not his job to understand you.
He will make an appointment with an orthopedic specialist. They will take X-rays and some blood samples to see if you're healing up properly.
They are most certainly qualified to know when to remove it. Demand to speak to a specialist.
My house doctor told me that my fracture healed up in 6 weeks so I definitely didn't have a gap as I claimed.
I was tempted to tell him to go back to med school bc he doesn't know about this, but I just kept silent. I knew better anyway.
I'm going to visit him soon again bc of my X-legs. It's terrible in my opinion.
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Call your house doctor. Be honest and tell him. It's not his job to understand you.
He will make an appointment with an orthopedic specialist. They will take X-rays and some blood samples to see if you're healing up properly.
They are most certainly qualified to know when to remove it. Demand to speak to a specialist.
My house doctor told me that my fracture healed up in 6 weeks so I definitely didn't have a gap as I claimed.
I was tempted to tell him to go back to med school bc he doesn't know s**t about this, but I just kept silent. I knew better anyway.
I'm going to visit him soon again bc of my X-legs. It's terrible in my opinion.
Okey sounds good! il follow your advice as it seems like the smartest and most convenient thing to do 8)
But so you mean that your house doctor was correct in the end that the fracture was gone? Why did you think there was a gap? (sry it was a long time ago i read your diary so i dont remember these details from there). Btw im confused, are you speaking about another fracture apart from the lengthening gap? because 6 weeks for 7 cms doesnt sound right, you mean some other fracture?
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You need to stop with the morphine dude ;D
House doctor was wrong.
You were right(partially): it certainly doesn't take 6 weeks for a fracture of that kind to heal. My dr thought so.
The gap was my 7cm gap, nothing else.
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You need to stop with the morphine dude ;D
House doctor was wrong.
You were right(partially): it certainly doesn't take 6 weeks for a fracture of that kind to heal. My dr thought so.
The gap was my 7cm gap, nothing else.
haha yeah i assumed first the house doctor was wrong, but i was confused as you said they where qualified for this, but obviously you where talking about the orthopedic specialist when you said that.. :P
So based on this, i cannot trust my house doctor when to remove the frames but as long as i get to speak to a specialist i should be okey removing the frames in Sweden.
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Update:
Because of Walpurgis night, i wasnt able to apply for Visa this week, so il do so in monday. No big deal as my bone constantly healing im not wasting any time going to Moscow a bit later. However i decided to use this extra time to add a few mm anyway. My goal is 3 mm extra, and ive decided to add it very slowly, 1 turn a day. only 2 mm left at this point. I barely feel any of the effects when lengthening this slow, can still sleep without being bothered.
Slowing down the turning made my knee stiffness on the left go away as well, now it has the same mobility as it did before the infection, and pretty much the same as my right leg, only difference is caused by the Osgood-Schlatters.
My balance has gotten way better, i can finally stand perfectly straight without holding onto anything for long periods of time (it was always hard doing this with a straight back before because it felt like i was gonna fall backwards). Soon i feel i will be albe to walk unaided. I feel much lighter on my feet overall and the frames are less distracting.
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how do you know you have done 4cm , have you got x-rays? do you think that bagirov is a recomendable doctor? i think that have no assistence in lengthening period could be Risky
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Still no photos?
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kirk, honestly, we dont know, its not exact, thats why im going to go kinda early to get x rays done,then finish lengthening there
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how do you know you have done 4cm , have you got x-rays? do you think that bagirov is a recomendable doctor? i think that have no assistence in lengthening period could be Risky
2 ways, i have an excel spreadsheet where i count the turns and mm i have lengthened. Also the doctor tied a piece of duct tape on each of the bars that pull apart the bone, these are the bars that you turn when you lengthen, and when you measure from the lower end of the duct tape to the top of the screw at the lower half ring, then you get the lengthened ammount.
of course this isnt taking into account the pin bending, but Bagirov told me that these pins are very strong and i would lose at most 3 mm due to pin bending (not sure how reliable that is though, but i choose to trust him). Because of this i am doing 3 mm extra. However i already feel i am at the height i want. My mother measured me barefoot with me standing next to a wall, she used a dvd case and stood on a chair to measure the top of my head and draw a line. Then we measured that line with measuring tape. And i was slightly above 178 cm. I was somewhere between 174 and 175 before surgery.
I will get x-rays when i travel there which i will do as soon as my Visa is ready, which will take 5 days if everything goes as it should.
And yes it seemed risky to me too but the doctor seemed so confident that it would be okey, and i have no pain and my mobility is already very good, and improving rapidly, no ballerina and no knee bend. So i feel secure because the risky part is pretty much over now, i only turn 0.25 a day now, until i get 2 more mm, then im done.
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Still no photos?
Im gonna post photos of my x-rays for sure. Im still debating if i should show my legs. I dont really see the point. The video in the beginning shows how the frames look, and things like scars are individual how much they show.
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wannabe, if we can measure how much we lengthen by measuring duct tape distance, then i have an issue... there isnt enough room for 6 cm
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wannabe, if we can measure how much we lengthen by measuring duct tape distance, then i have an issue... there isnt enough room for 6 cm
then they either placed your duct tapes to low, maybe they didnt realize how much you wanted to lengthen. or somehow the duct tape moved, maybe it wasnt attached firmly enough. They told me specifically when i claimed to had done 4 cm that i should measure that distance with a ruler. and i got 4 cm. i was quite surprised how exact it seemed to be along with my spreadsheet.
Also, the lower half wing will move down as you lengthen, so that will increase the space between the screw and the duct tape obviously. Im not sure if you took that into account.
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Goddammit.. just measured my weight, i have lost like 6 Kilos since pre-surgery! most of that weight must have came from the thigh muscles.. man i wish i could work out, i feel skinny like a girl >:(
And i dont know how much the frames weigh so i have probably lost more than it appears.
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when you say measure from duct tape to top of screw, do you mean the one we use to fasten the nut? or the one above that, which we actually turn to lengthen?
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when you say measure from duct tape to top of screw, do you mean the one we use to fasten the nut? or the one above that, which we actually turn to lengthen?
the lengthening screw.
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Goddammit.. just measured my weight, i have lost like 6 Kilos since pre-surgery! most of that weight must have came from the thigh muscles.. man i wish i could work out, i feel skinny like a girl >:(
And i dont know how much the frames weigh so i have probably lost more than it appears.
Man, that's one of the things that's going to suck during recovery. I've got a lot of bulk and once my legs get skinny I'm going to look like one of those gym rats that only trains the upper body and has chicken legs as a result.
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update:
i have booked the flight, will be traveling on May 13, only staying the night there and flying back the next day. Visa will be ready on monday. Everything feels good and im done lengthening, so i guess all they need to do at the clinic is take an x-ray and see if there are any adjustments needed and see how much i actually lengthened. I dont want any cosmetic changes ive decided, the legs look functional as they are already.
walking is getting better every day, my legs feel lighter and there is much less pressure. I guess there are some muscles around the knees that have been inactive for so long that i needed to train them a bit to relieve the pressure. Thats how i would explain it.
It feels really good, pretty much no stiffness, no x-leg, no ballerina..i predict i will be able to walk without crutches/aid within 2 weeks from now.
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Small update:
Today i managed to take my first steps without holding onto anything, and it didnt hurt! I walked very akwardly and slow though, only slightly lifting each foot up and moving it forward slowly, almost sliding across the floor.
recovery is going faster than i expected :)
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Congratulations on your progress! How strange a feeling is it to have the metal pins going through your bones? Do your legs feel noticably weak with the frames on? Are you still without ballerina?
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Congratulations on your progress! How strange a feeling is it to have the metal pins going through your bones? Do your legs feel noticably weak with the frames on? Are you still without ballerina?
Thank you! A couple of weeks ago the legs did feel week, but looking at them now they look like they have about the same thickness as before and when i walk unaided, the pressure is not that bad, and it doesnt hurt, a walk very slowly and akwardly though. I only feel a little discomfort in the pins if i step a bit sidways to abruptly or sometimes when i bend my knees to fast, but it is very slight.
Still no ballerina! and no difficulties bending the knees either 8)
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Big Update:
Got home from my second trip to the clinic for the check up. I just stayed for one night this time.
The results seem very good, they didnt have to adjust much at all, only changing the angle slightly. Also the x-rays look very promising. Im gonna post them later for you to judge, but unfortunately i had to leave for my flight home very early, so Bagirov didnt have time to come see me, so i didnt really get to ask the questions i wanted to, but i will have to email him about later, his assistant did try to answer some of it, but his english is not so good either.
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Small update:
Today i managed to take my first steps without holding onto anything, and it didnt hurt! I walked very akwardly and slow though, only slightly lifting each foot up and moving it forward slowly, almost sliding across the floor.
recovery is going faster than i expected :)
Not to sound like a complete moron. But what exactly is hindering you from walking normal. I want specific answers not to long answers just what is wrong at the moment and what are you "waiting for" to happen inside your leg so you can walk normally.
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Not to sound like a complete moron. But what exactly is hindering you from walking normal. I want specific answers not to long answers just what is wrong at the moment and what are you "waiting for" to happen inside your leg so you can walk normally.
before LL, walking is smooth and you barely feel the legs when you put your feet to the ground for every step etc, but after LL and now, you feel pressure going through each section of the legs every time you take a step and the body weight gets placed onto one leg at a time, especially at the pin sites sections do you feel pressure. And while it doesnt hurt anymore, it feels like it could hurt if i wasnt careful, so its a combination of fear and the fact that the legs still feel more heavy and not as strong as before, but its recovering fast it seems. It gets easier every day.
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Hi, are these frame weight bearing.?
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Hi, are these frame weight bearing.?
yes they are
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Man Hows walking during consolidation? I plan doing the operation with bagirov at the end of may( not dure which year though) so i'll spend 3 months For lengthening in moscow and during consolidation I should be back home. According to this I should finish distraction phase by the time uni starts which is the reason why I'm wondering about the walk. Also when you're in the consolidation phase do you still need to avoid knee bending and all the stuff that you did during the distraction phase?
are you able to walk at decent speed now that you consolidate? All I need is to go to uni and home and that's about 15 min of walking. Do you think the price will rise lets say in the next 2 years?
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Hi. Have you been out in public with your frames? How hide-able are they? Has anyone noticed them under sweatpants? How do you explain their presence to those around you who don't know the truth about your LL? I was also wondering if Dr. Bagirov's prices are likely to rise in the next few years. Thanks so much for your answers and for this awesome patient experience record, by the way!
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before LL, walking is smooth and you barely feel the legs when you put your feet to the ground for every step etc, but after LL and now, you feel pressure going through each section of the legs every time you take a step and the body weight gets placed onto one leg at a time, especially at the pin sites sections do you feel pressure. And while it doesnt hurt anymore, it feels like it could hurt if i wasnt careful, so its a combination of fear and the fact that the legs still feel more heavy and not as strong as before, but its recovering fast it seems. It gets easier every day.
Like a bike with good "dampers" like dirt bike? you get that cushing support "bouncy". So after LL i assume that feeling is gone. So when you take a step you don't feel "bouncy" right?. kinda like 2X gravity when walking?
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Hi. Have you been out in public with your frames? How hide-able are they? Has anyone noticed them under sweatpants? How do you explain their presence to those around you who don't know the truth about your LL? I was also wondering if Dr. Bagirov's prices are likely to rise in the next few years. Thanks so much for your answers and for this awesome patient experience record, by the way!
Hope not because I'm doing this in Russia only because of the price otherwise I wouldn't even think of
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Man Hows walking during consolidation? I plan doing the operation with bagirov at the end of may( not dure which year though) so i'll spend 3 months For lengthening in moscow and during consolidation I should be back home. According to this I should finish distraction phase by the time uni starts which is the reason why I'm wondering about the walk. Also when you're in the consolidation phase do you still need to avoid knee bending and all the stuff that you did during the distraction phase?
are you able to walk at decent speed now that you consolidate? All I need is to go to uni and home and that's about 15 min of walking. Do you think the price will rise lets say in the next 2 years?
walking is improving very fast, i can walk now without aid, but quite akwardly and slow (i walk kind of like a robot would, robot dance etc), it doesnt hurt and eventually i will walk normally with the frames on, they allow full range of motion.
You should sleep with straight legs and wear footholders when laying down on your back even in consolidation phase, but of course its less likely to develop any of those problems now if you didnt get them during lengthening phase.
And yes, i think the price will rise in the future, in 2 years yeah probably. I remember reading a diary from a few years ago at old forum, a girl who was a patient with Bagirov, her price was 6000 dollars, while mine was 6450 euros, a substantial increase.
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Hi. Have you been out in public with your frames? How hide-able are they? Has anyone noticed them under sweatpants? How do you explain their presence to those around you who don't know the truth about your LL? I was also wondering if Dr. Bagirov's prices are likely to rise in the next few years. Thanks so much for your answers and for this awesome patient experience record, by the way!
Yeah when i traveled to the airport after my first visit in Moscow on my way back home, it was mostly sitting in a cab, then a wheelchair waiting at the gate on the airport, and then moving through the airport at home with an assistant moving me on the wheelchair. then taking the car home.
That same thing i did on my check up return in Moscow this last tuesday. So its basically a whole lot of sitting down (flight, cab drive, wheelchair). I havent gone out in Sweden or met any friends etc. but i might do it when i can walk normally, i would need wide pants to cover the fixators though.
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Like a bike with good "dampers" like dirt bike? you get that cushing support "bouncy". So after LL i assume that feeling is gone. So when you take a step you don't feel "bouncy" right?. kinda like 2X gravity when walking?
yeah it doesnt feel like dampers during LL, because the pins keep everything locked and hard, i guess it feels similar to a bike without any dampers at all when walking, its just hard pressure going through the lower legs while the flesh stays rigid. But as i said this feeling is starting to get less and less noticable. The stronger the muscles get i guess they start to work again as dampers and you start to feel the legs less as you walk.
Soon it will feel like it did before LL, at this pace im improving at i would guess within a month i can walk like before LL and with the pressure gone.
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I was trying to take pics of the x-rays, but it isnt very high quality so it can be hard to see details... i will probably have to scan them. Il try to get it done in the coming days.
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Can u ask dr that "is that ok to take melatonin to heal bone more faster" bcoz I got on website is stimulate osteoblast differentiation. I pray u heal faster nd I welcome ur appreciate ur decision of lengthening at 4 cm which is safe. If I do I will consider 5:5 max. Can u tell me what will be the duration of 5 cm on tibia for lengthening. Then normal activities.? When u will put off ur fixator.?
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yeah it doesnt feel like dampers during LL, because the pins keep everything locked and hard, i guess it feels similar to a bike without any dampers at all when walking, its just hard pressure going through the lower legs while the flesh stays rigid. But as i said this feeling is starting to get less and less noticable. The stronger the muscles get i guess they start to work again as dampers and you start to feel the legs less as you walk.
Soon it will feel like it did before LL, at this pace im improving at i would guess within a month i can walk like before LL and with the pressure gone.
keep fighting man. You earned it. take your time soon enough this will be a distaint memory and you will be enjoying your reward.
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Inspiring journey. I especially like how you stopped at 4.3 cm to feel right with yourself and as you picture yourself being VS going for 6-7 CM just to be taller.
Can't wait for some photos of the frames under pants. I would like to see a walking video also at some point.
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Hi Wannabegiants,
How are you doing? I am planing my surgery with doctor salameh in september, in germany. My goal is 5,5.
I think doctor salameh and bagirov device are similar, but salameh device when you have some callus is removable the bottom part, and then the device is smaller during the rest of consolidation period.
I was thinking in doctor mitkovic too but you are right although his device looks like smaller it is more dificult to hide under the trousers.
cheers.
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Hi Wannabegiants,
How are you doing? I am planing my surgery with doctor salameh in september, in germany. My goal is 5,5.
I think doctor salameh and bagirov device are similar, but salameh device when you have some callus is removable the bottom part, and then the device is smaller during the rest of consolidation period.
I was thinking in doctor mitkovic too but you are right although his device looks like smaller it is more dificult to hide under the trousers.
cheers.
Sounds good, Im doing fine, no problems really, but life is so damn boring. My walking has gotten better, but walking without crutches still not efficient enough that i feel i can stop using the crutches completely. Maybe in another 2 weeks..
I didnt know the bottom part was removable, that is a great idea, makes me sad that i cant do that with my device, im still debating which people i can meet before removing the frames.. if it was smaller i would go out and live almost like normal the moment i can walk normal.. Well Bagirov was cheaper than Salameh so at least that makes me not regret my choice
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I hope you have a good journey.
Sorry for my bad english, but i am from Spain and i don't speak well.
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keep fighting man. You earned it. take your time soon enough this will be a distaint memory and you will be enjoying your reward.
Thanks man, i appreciate it!
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Inspiring journey. I especially like how you stopped at 4.3 cm to feel right with yourself and as you picture yourself being VS going for 6-7 CM just to be taller.
Can't wait for some photos of the frames under pants. I would like to see a walking video also at some point.
Thanks, yeah i value my recovery and athleticism a lot, i was very explosive before the surgery, hoping to be able to recover fully. I have a way bigger chance of doing that when only doing 4,3 cm compared to 6 or 7 cm. Also i cant bear being in the frames longer than i already have too. I just wanted to become close to average and at 5'10 i will pretty much never be considered short. All i need to be happy.
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5'10 is an awesome height to be. I am almost that height and, whenever I run into people of 5'10' I always think that it's a very solid and manly height. It's also very practical. 5'10 is, in my opinion, the minimum height to be considered alpha, but it won't keep you from fitting into small cars or cramped airplane seats. I hope you'll love it. How is your walking coming along, by the way? How much do you think that 4,3cm has altered your proportions?
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5'10 is an awesome height to be. I am almost that height and, whenever I run into people of 5'10' I always think that it's a very solid and manly height. It's also very practical. 5'10 is, in my opinion, the minimum height to be considered alpha, but it won't keep you from fitting into small cars or cramped airplane seats. I hope you'll love it. How is your walking coming along, by the way? How much do you think that 4,3cm has altered your proportions?
tbh I'd rather struggle a bit in planes and cars and being 6'0
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5'10 is an awesome height to be. I am almost that height and, whenever I run into people of 5'10' I always think that it's a very solid and manly height. It's also very practical. 5'10 is, in my opinion, the minimum height to be considered alpha, but it won't keep you from fitting into small cars or cramped airplane seats. I hope you'll love it. How is your walking coming along, by the way? How much do you think that 4,3cm has altered your proportions?
Thats also exactly what ive noticed, 5'10 being the minimum to be able to act like a genuine alpha, thats what i intend to be as i have the looks and the personality for it, but i knew my original height would prevent people from taking me seriously.
My walking is getting better and better, but as mentioned, im still too slow for it to be efficient enough to walk all the time without the walker/crutches, so i still use them most of the time to move around. But i have training sessions every day where i walk a lot without them.
My proportions look better to be honest, 4.3 cm barely does anything to the torso/leg ratio, however i have very long arms so the legs look more proportional relative to my arms now (my bodytype looks less like a gorilla now which is good)
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ho much it all coast you.?
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ho much it all coast you.?
6450 euro for the surgery and 7 days hospital stay. Then i payed for another 5 days at the hosptial, i dont remember the price for hospital stay but its quite expensive.
Then i had 4 flights total, two trips to Moscow and back. I bought each of the tickets for about 900 swedish kronor. Also the medicine i bougth cost about 900 swedish kr as well.
In the end quite expensive but still ends up being less than majority of other options.
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so it' all about 7100 aprox so in order to do that you need say 10000euro ?
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Hi Wannabegiant,
I am considering getting bilateral tibias with Dr. Bagirov as well; crimsontide's diary is highly informative about the whole process (the lack of after-care part sucks though). It would seem that issues like pin-bending do not feature if you're using his frame.
I am interested in lengthening around 7.5 cms or so, along those lines I was wondering how freely can you move around wearing these frames during distraction and then during consolidation period? I mean, I probably would have to wear them for at least 8 months, so is walking up stairs, standing on commuter rails etc. possible? Is there still a lot of pain after the distraction is done?
Thanks in advance for replying!
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Hi Wannabegiant,
I am considering getting bilateral tibias with Dr. Bagirov as well; crimsontide's diary is highly informative about the whole process (the lack of after-care part sucks though). It would seem that issues like pin-bending do not feature if you're using his frame.
I am interested in lengthening around 7.5 cms or so, along those lines I was wondering how freely can you move around wearing these frames during distraction and then during consolidation period? I mean, I probably would have to wear them for at least 8 months, so is walking up stairs, standing on commuter rails etc. possible? Is there still a lot of pain after the distraction is done?
Thanks in advance for replying!
The frame uses some thicker pins, i dont think its completely immune to pin-bending though but if it happens it would be like 3 mm or less, very slight.
It depends on how fast you lengthen and on the individuals ability to recover i guess, but in general if you follow the instructions of the doctor you should be able to start walking about 2-3 months after surgery, but im not sure if this takes longer if you are still lengthening at this point.
Btw, if you are going to lengthen 7.5 cm, i can almost guarantee that you wont be done in 8 months, its likely 7.5 cm will take like 10 months or even 1 year. And it might take even longer than that if you have complications (like in crimsons case he got ballerina feet, and that prevents him from walking normally, the longer this problem lasts the less effective your walking and weightbearing will be to increase the consolidation.
Guys like Rgkey are the exception to the rule, and he used a different doctor who might do his bone incisions differently and make them heal faster, who knows, but dont expect it to go that fast, you will most likely be dissappointed.
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Thanks for replying Wannabegiant; just to clarify, I was under the impression that Dr. Bagirov also offered double cuts (osteotomy at two sites per segment) ??? ? Won't that help with reducing the distraction and consolidation phase?
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Thanks for replying Wannabegiant; just to clarify, I was under the impression that Dr. Bagirov also offered double cuts (osteotomy at two sites per segment) ??? ? Won't that help with reducing the distraction and consolidation phase?
I asked his assistant about this before i had the surgery and i can confirm they do not offer the double cut. I dont think it would be aesthetically a good idea to do the double cut if you re gonna lengthen that much either, since one of the cuts are near the ankle where there is very little muscle mass, so it might end up looking really long and thin, and fragile if you get like 4+ cm of length there.
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Hmmm, that's true! What about the range of motion during distraction though? Did you experience any trouble with sitting down, or any knee pain during movement etc?
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Hmmm, that's true! What about the range of motion during distraction though? Did you experience any trouble with sitting down, or any knee pain during movement etc?
The first month or so it will be slightly painful to sit down, the pain went away before i was done lengthening so i dont really remember how it felt, but it was like small pincing pain around the pin sites i think, also there was a lot of knee stiffness, so its not recommended at all to sit down a lot (because of knee stiffness and blood circulation), either stand or lay down with legs extended.
the knee stiffness went away really fast after i was done lengthening (maybe 2 or 3 days and i could fully straighten my knees without much effort at all)
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Yo wannabe, have you had any problems renewing your stay permit in Russia? I emailed Barinov and they told me the Migration office had made their rules tougher and it would make it difficult to stay for longer than 6 months... how is this? Thanks in advance
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Yo wannabe, have you had any problems renewing your stay permit in Russia? I emailed Barinov and they told me the Migration office had made their rules tougher and it would make it difficult to stay for longer than 6 months... how is this? Thanks in advance
I dont know.. i only stayed at the clinic for ca 12 days, so a business Visa was enough. Why do you need to stay for 6 months or more? The clinic encourages you to lengthen at home, as long as you follow instructions and dont lengthen to fast or to much (like 8 cm) you shouldnt have any serious issues.
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Thanks for a great diary great to se someone that has the same goal, I`m also looking for 4 cm so I have some questions:
Whats your wingspan?
Wich date did you start lengthening and wich date did you stop? Was there some initial distraction by the doctor like 0,5 cm?
Was it scary to do the "skruva" haha dont know the word.
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Thanks for a great diary great to se someone that has the same goal, I`m also looking for 4 cm so I have some questions:
Whats your wingspan?
Wich date did you start lengthening and wich date did you stop? Was there some initial distraction by the doctor like 0,5 cm?
Was it scary to do the "skruva" haha dont know the word.
Are you swedish? (since you mentioned "skruva", i would translate it to "turning" in this case)
I havent measured my wingspan, but i have very long arms and wide shoulders (despite only weighing around 63 +/- kilos pre-surgery)
Even now after i have finished lengthening, my wingspan looks slightly longer than my height, so i would guess i have 180+ cm in wingspan.
I started lengthening 5 days after i had the surgery which was mars 01, and no they do not distract the bone during the surgery so you start from 0. I was done lengthening at the beginning of May, cant remember exact date, i slowed down my lengthening speed slightly when i was almost done because i had an infection, but it didnt make much difference overall in the total time it took, just a few days extra.
So the lengthening took me about 2 months, but i lengthened 4.3 cm to be exact.
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just want to emphasize something.... what wannabe said about rgkey is very true.... and you must believe it, no matter what dr you go to.... rgkey is a very very rare case....
if you lengthen tibias over 5 or 6 cm, you can expect to get ballerina.... i can almost guarantee it... and trust me, it is not a small issue. just because its not a permanent issue does not make it small.... i would recommend to not go over 6 cm.... I've done maybe 7 cm now...
if you will do more than 5, you will need a release
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Ballerina was an issue for me, but only a small issue that resolved itself eventually. Different people's legs can stand to lengthen different amounts.
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Are you swedish? (since you mentioned "skruva", i would translate it to "turning" in this case)
I havent measured my wingspan, but i have very long arms and wide shoulders (despite only weighing around 63 +/- kilos pre-surgery)
Even now after i have finished lengthening, my wingspan looks slightly longer than my height, so i would guess i have 180+ cm in wingspan.
I started lengthening 5 days after i had the surgery which was mars 01, and no they do not distract the bone during the surgery so you start from 0. I was done lengthening at the beginning of May, cant remember exact date, i slowed down my lengthening speed slightly when i was almost done because i had an infection, but it didnt make much difference overall in the total time it took, just a few days extra.
So the lengthening took me about 2 months, but i lengthened 4.3 cm to be exact.
Yes of course its "turning", what was I thinking, temporary lost my brain.
How long before u take of frames? Have u been walking out in public like to the store or are u only at home?
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Yes of course its "turning", what was I thinking, temporary lost my brain.
How long before u take of frames? Have u been walking out in public like to the store or are u only at home?
The clinic said before i had the surgery that 4 cm would take 6-9 months on average. And that lines up with what Dr franz said on this site, ie that it takes around 1.5 - 2 months per cm to consolidate in adults, however he mentioned that his patients on average take 1.3-1.5 months per cm, and that they add 0.5 months to that estimate so the patients wont get to high expectations.
With that said, if im average in terms of healing i should be done in 6 months total, which would mean the end of august, which is about 1.5 months from now. I have an appointment with a local orthopedic 24 of July, and he will probably be able to give me a more accurate estimate when i will be done.
My first x-ray which i did after ca 2 months post surgery showed a lot of callus "fog" along the whole distraction gap, an im young and have done lots of sports most of my life, ive never smoked in my life and i have been eating very healthy and taking supplements all this time, i expect the healing to be average or better.
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I apologize of this has already been asked, but does Dr. Bagirov fixate the fibula bone on both ends?
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I apologize of this has already been asked, but does Dr. Bagirov fixate the fibula bone on both ends?
I didnt ask him about it so i cant know for sure but im almost certain that he does fixate the fibula on both ends, since i have pins going into those exact spots where the fibula is located both near the ankle and on the outside of the knees. Also, i have no x-legs at all which is one of the complications which can happen if the fibula isnt fixed if i recall correctly, which makes it even more likely that he did fixate the fibula.
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Hey Wannabegiant,
Thanks again for posting your experience in such detail and answering all those questions, like I had mentioned earlier I am considering Dr. Bagirov for bilateral tibial lengthening and I have booked a date in August.
I still had a few questions at this point, do you think it would be okay if I PMed you?
Thanks in advance for replying!
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Hey Wannabegiant,
Thanks again for posting your experience in such detail and answering all those questions, like I had mentioned earlier I am considering Dr. Bagirov for bilateral tibial lengthening and I have booked a date in August.
I still had a few questions at this point, do you think it would be okay if I PMed you?
Thanks in advance for replying!
I dont remember if i answered your PM or not :p sorry, you are welcome to send me PM if you want.
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Update:
Got some good news, I went to see the local orthopedic doctor in Sweden today, and as soon as he saw my frames the first thing he said was: "Ah so you have been to Russia" (in Swedish obviously). So he had seen other patients coming here with Ilizarovs before and he had prior experience with LL for non-cosmetic purposes (leg length discrepancy etc)
So when i told him how much i had lengthened, when i had the surgery and showed him my previous x-rays from May, he told me that it looked very good and that i probably dont need to wear the frames for that much longer. He also took into account the fact that i had no pain and could walk well unaided when he said this.
So he took x-rays and would analyze them and later send them to me through email along with his comments, and he will set up a proper time to meet up again depending on how well it has healed.
He claims to be able to remove the frames if i wanted to do it in Sweden instead of going back to russia (i dont want to bother with Visa again) and he seemed confident.
Since i will get the x-rays digitally this time, i will be able to post them here as soon as i get them. Shouldnt have to wait that long.
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Awesome new man!!! Yeah taking off frames is not a big deal im sure if he says he can then he can!))) My inly concern is the xray. Make sure your doctor in russia also look at it before removing frames
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Awesome update. Congrats on making it this far! If you get the chance, could you ask your Swedish doctor if Dr. Bagirov did indeed fixate your fibula? It would be awesome to know for sure if he does it or not.
Also, at this point, just how well and how far are you able to walk unaided? Is there still any reliance on crutches? How normally are you able to live your life with the frames now?
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Awesome new man!!! Yeah taking off frames is not a big deal im sure if he says he can then he can!))) My inly concern is the xray. Make sure your doctor in russia also look at it before removing frames
Yes for sure! we agreed that i need to show the x-rays to Bagirov as well and need his allowance to remove the frames, but two doctors opinions are better than one ;)
Btw this swedish orthpedic knew a method similar to what Barinov did with you Rgkey, he said that if the x-ray is good, then the next time i meet him and the next x-ray is also good, he wil be able to remove some pins so the weight is transferred onto my bones instead of the pins, while keeping the outer pins and the frame so the bone cannot bend. This will speed up consolidation and remove a lot of the risk.
If i went to Bagirov, i would have to remove one frame at a time, with about a week in between, and also walk with crutches for maybe 2 weeks after both are gone and not put much weight on the frame free legs in the beginning. With this other method the risk will be much lower. :D
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can you post pics? not of the x ray but your body please please
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Awesome update. Congrats on making it this far! If you get the chance, could you ask your Swedish doctor if Dr. Bagirov did indeed fixate your fibula? It would be awesome to know for sure if he does it or not.
Also, at this point, just how well and how far are you able to walk unaided? Is there still any reliance on crutches? How normally are you able to live your life with the frames now?
Thank you :) yes i will ask him but im almost 100% sure he did fixate them :p my legs wouldnt be so straight otherwise, their angle looks identical to before the surgery, almost straighter but im not sure :p
Also, after laying down for a while or sitting, i almost dont need any warm up any longer before i can start walking quite smoothly, they used to be stiff for the first 10 steps or so, but now i maybe feel a bit stiff for the first 4 steps or less. So i dont need the walker at all anymore.
In fact i walked from the car into the hospital with no aid, i was quite slow of course and the terrain is not even like the floor inside my home but it still went well :D
I can pretty much take care of myself like i used to pre surgery, only im way slower of course. And i only have like 1 pair of pants that i can hide the frames in convincingly and still look somewhat "fashionable" (with that i mean not looking like a bum). So im still very limited because i cant see my friends and stuff.. i need to keep it secret, of course if someone saw me i would use the bow leg correction explanation but i rather not have to tell them anything :p
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can you post pics? not of the x ray but your body please please
hmm i really dont want too.. im very paranoid about stuff about me being on the internet :p i know there is a minimal risk anyone i know will see it and know it is me but i rather not.
I can tell you this, i like my proportions now better than before. My arms used to be to long compared to my legs, so i kind of looked like a lower primate when i was wearing thick sweaters with the sleeves all the way down. it didnt look proportional, but in shorts and t-shirts it didnt look so bad.
Now i can already tell i will look better in all my clothes, and i will be confident enough to wear some other styles which i didnt before :)
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You are 5'10 now right? How does it feel.
Did it cure your height neurosis.
Like you can just put on your shoes and go out the door and unless a 6'4 dude comes along you wont even think about height?.
Also you have on your fixators still. Why did you not get the metal stick inserted?
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You are 5'10 now right? How does it feel.
Did it cure your height neurosis.
Like you can just put on your shoes and go out the door and unless a 6'4 dude comes along you wont even think about height?.
Also you have on your fixators still. Why did you not get the metal stick inserted?
Yeah, im 5'10 or 178 cm during the day (close to 179 in the morning, drops to slightly below 178 in the evening)
And yeah it did cure my height neurosis, although i have to agree with Sweden that it is still common to run into some dudes that dwarf you, but there are more people that are smaller or same size as me when you account for girls, i maybe saw one girl at the hospital who might have been taller than me but it looked like she had some heel. (Karolinska is the name of the hospital and its huge and lots of people around)
Im also slightly bothered by my sitting height which is below average for my height (ca 89 cm) when sitting next to bigger dudes, although it doesnt look bad at all in terms of proportion, my torso looks a good length, i think my low sitting height is because of my thin groin bones. But most people dont sit straight anyway so i know i will be able to neglect this small issue.
also im still skinny as f**k so i bet the feeling of being small will be even more insignificant when i bulk up, but im very happy with the result already.
I chose to do external only because of better recovery potential and not needing 2 more surgeries, also to save a lot of money and avoid the risk of knee pain. Plating also requires extra money and surgery and i dont think it is reliable enough to try it, especially not at this point when i dont have much time left in frames anyway :p
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Yeah, im 5'10 or 178 cm during the day (close to 179 in the morning, drops to slightly below 178 in the evening)
And yeah it did cure my height neurosis, although i have to agree with Sweden that it is still common to run into some dudes that dwarf you, but there are more people that are smaller or same size as me when you account for girls, i maybe saw one girl at the hospital who might have been taller than me but it looked like she had some heel. (Karolinska is the name of the hospital and its huge and lots of people around)
Im also slightly bothered by my sitting height which is below average for my height (ca 89 cm) when sitting next to bigger dudes, although it doesnt look bad at all in terms of proportion, my torso looks a good length, i think my low sitting height is because of my thin groin bones. But most people dont sit straight anyway so i know i will be able to neglect this small issue.
also im still skinny as f**k so i bet the feeling of being small will be even more insignificant when i bulk up, but im very happy with the result already.
I chose to do external only because of better recovery potential and not needing 2 more surgeries, also to save a lot of money and avoid the risk of knee pain. Plating also requires extra money and surgery and i dont think it is reliable enough to try it, especially not at this point when i dont have much time left in frames anyway :p
The height i want is 5'11 and maybe 6'0 if my legs can take it. But at 5'11 i don't want to feel discriminated anymore from society, that wont happen once i reach 5'10ish status right?
Yeah there is always gonna be dudes that are 6'4. Just like you are not gonna have the best body or face. But the "height" problem is gone so you are in the game again do you feel that now? like you can compete and actually get somewhere in life or are you still limited by your stature, like still psychologically hindered.
yeah i noticed that too with friends it's like they are overall massiver than me. But not by much. I and a 6'1ish friend was sitting on the floor or whatever together and his look when he noticed we was pretty much the same height mind f**ked him alot. Like he realised his Bigness is tributed by his legs and not his "massive" alpha frame. We smaller guys have a more gracefull waist bones and stuff like that. So we look more elegant than those taller clumsier people with a thick waist. But they do get another 4 cm increase from that though.
But are not the outtake of the inserted rod for free? if it costs money how much do you think it was?
Also you don't have to take away the rod at all you can leave it in there.
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The height i want is 5'11 and maybe 6'0 if my legs can take it. But at 5'11 i don't want to feel discriminated anymore from society, that wont happen once i reach 5'10ish status right?
Yeah there is always gonna be dudes that are 6'4. Just like you are not gonna have the best body or face. But the "height" problem is gone so you are in the game again do you feel that now? like you can compete and actually get somewhere in life or are you still limited by your stature, like still psychologically hindered.
yeah i noticed that too with friends it's like they are overall massiver than me. But not by much. I and a 6'1ish friend was sitting on the floor or whatever together and his look when he noticed we was pretty much the same height mind f**ked him alot. Like he realised his Bigness is tributed by his legs and not his "massive" alpha frame. We smaller guys have a more gracefull waist bones and stuff like that. So we look more elegant than those taller clumsier people with a thick waist. But they do get another 4 cm increase from that though.
But are not the outtake of the inserted rod for free? if it costs money how much do you think it was?
Also you don't have to take away the rod at all you can leave it in there.
Yeah you ure right, i dont feel phychologically hindered anymore, i feel like there are so many hobbies and stuff i want to try now when i know i wont be judged right away for my height. Also just knowing that probably 40% more girls are within my options now is awesome.
Im gonna train MMA and bulk up as mentioned. Then im going to be overall more active in social events and take my studies more seriously. Then soon enough i will aim for that perfect 1 trophy girl (lol il probably be satisfied with an 8 but i might get luckier than that), Ive scored with 8s and above but very rarely, and in my case they have never wanted anything serious lol..most likely because they thought i didnt have enough social value.
I feel like i can become one of those people in the upper social circle, of course excluding famous people who are unreachable unless i made it somehow (unlikely since so many of my youthful years where wasted on being being a nobody, its hard to catch up and go further)
At 5'10 i doubt anyone will call you short unless its a by 6'4 dude or you live in the netherlands where girls might have expectations of a 6 feet guy minimum.
LON or LATN are generally a lot more expensive than external only, and the place i went too only offers external only, and for that "low" price you wont be able to get LON or LATN. I also dont want anything left in my bones, i want to be as close to normal as possible when this is done, even if you dont feel the rods, me knowing they are there will still affect me.
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How do your tibia feel now compared to the rest of your body, is it obvious?.
Also when you stand up do you feel more empowered like..on your way up from couch.... (up)..fk yeaah!.
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How do your tibia feel now compared to the rest of your body, is it obvious?.
Also when you stand up do you feel more empowered like..on your way up from couch.... (up)..f**k yeaah!.
My tibia actually looks quite natural still, sure its a bit long but it doesnt look odd in anyway, and its still significantly shorter than my femurs. I agree with medium drink of water that longish tibias look aesthetically pleasing, my legs look kind of badass now actually, like they where shaped to be optimal for muay thai lol. At least with shorts on, without shorts, my thighs get exposed and i havent regained all the muscle there yet so it looks a bit weak at the moment..
well i dont notice really that i am taller when im just walking around, i got used to it so fast (and i didnt notice it much when lengthening since it is such a slow pace we lengthen at)
Only when i look at my family, and other people when i am outside do i feel a big difference, also when looking in the mirror i look bigger than i used to, and its an awesome feeling, especially when i imagine all the muscle im going to gain later. (its interesting that just by getting a bit taller, the whole bodyframe appears to be bigger even though it technically isnt)
Its also great because it improved my proportions, and it will make me look way better in pretty much all kinds of clothes compared to before. before LL i didnt bother with any of this stuff, its like i unlocked a new character in a fighting game and im super excited to try to learn all the tricks and stuff.
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Big Update:
Okey so here are the x-rays from yesterday, my local doctor told me it looked really good, and that my right leg is almost ready to lose some of the pins (while still keeping the frame on to prevent bending) while my left leg needs another month or a little more before its ready.
It makes sense that my left leg is lagging behind a bit, because of my knee injury from my childhood (shlatters disease) i couldnt put as much weight on that leg from the beginning, however it feels pretty much as strong and mobile as my right leg since about 2 weeks ago, my left knee doest hurt anymore when putting lots of pressure on it anymore. I also added 1.5 mm to my left leg because i could feel that there was a slight discrepancy, its natural to have a few mm difference between legs and i had 3 mm shorter left leg before my surgery. They told me at the russian clinic that they corrected this but im not sure they did completely, it feels more symmetrical after i added 1.5 mm at least.
He told me to ask my russian doctor about their opinion first before deciding anything, and im expecting them to be more reserved and maybe tell me that i need 3 months more (sadface). I have a friend who will translate an email for me to russian so they will understand what my local doctor thought.
My personal opinion from just looking at the x-rays: im no expert at all but they look decent, they dont look very solid compared to the surrounding bone but its probably not supposed to at this point, im afraid that they might shrink if i do anything to early, i think waiting another month for both legs before even loosening some screws might be more safe, with the frames on they cannot bend, but i dont want to risk any subsidence/shrinkage either.
I also dont really like how the callus is shaping on my right leg, it seems like it is slightly indented on one side while the other side of it is looking much thicker than before the surgery, it doesnt look balanced, im hoping the indented gap will fill in eventually, at least the indentation looks smaller compared to my x-rays i had in May. They didnt say anything about it in Russia and neither did my local doctor, so maybe it isnt a problem, but i would have a problem mentally with it if it ended up looking like that permanently, because it doesnt look as stable as it should imo.
Please tell me what you think of these:
edit: im having a problem uploading the pics, will get back to it as soon as i learn how to fix it, the system cant access my attachment path or something, dont know why..
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x-rays:
(http://i.imgur.com/wYMYRLk.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/MMeMeuX.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/TKvBn2K.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/GezLgBF.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Pey9l6z.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/yuhLdjE.png)
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Your callus looks like very good.
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Wannabegiants, Your legs (X-rays) look very good - congratulation. You had your surgery in April and you write that you now can walk without aid but what about stairs - can you walk up and down the stairs without aid from anyone or anything now?
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Wannabegiants, Your legs (X-rays) look very good - congratulation. You had your surgery in April and you write that you now can walk without aid but what about stairs - can you walk up and down the stairs without aid from anyone or anything now?
No my surgery was Mars 01, and yes walking up stairs was possible on my own after about 2 months after surgery, but i had to use my arms a lot and on the way down i kind of scooted down on my butt one step at a time. Now i barely need to use my arms for the stairs but i do anyway in case i would trip.
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Wow. I just plain could not do stairs while I had my frames on. I didn't have the leg strength to do it.
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its like i unlocked a new character in a fighting game and im super excited to try to learn all the tricks and stuff.
The inner nerd in me lol'd big time from this :D
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Jasså du går nere vid Solna. Hade din läkare sett detta innan?
Anyway, it looks alright. I'm impressed too that you dared to go up stairs and the fact you managed to. Great.
I think you need the device at least 1-2 more months. You will be in a world of regret if you remove them too early and your legs break.
Cool half ring frame you got there.
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Wannabegiants, Great that you could manage the stairs so early.
Regarding your times in Ilizarov frames on your legs. Have you in all this times noticed at any times any small craking sounds coming from your Ilizarov frames when you stand and start to walk.
With Ilizarov frames like yours is it a big problem if one have small craking sound coming from the Ilizarov frames time to time when you stand up and begin to walk several times during the whole times in the Ilizarov frames?
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Jasså du går nere vid Solna. Hade din läkare sett detta innan?
Anyway, it looks alright. I'm impressed too that you dared to go up stairs and the fact you managed to. Great.
I think you need the device at least 1-2 more months. You will be in a world of regret if you remove them too early and your legs break.
Cool half ring frame you got there.
Japp Solna ligger rätt nära från där jag bor.. Du menar om min läkare från Ryssland har sett röntgen bilderna än? Jag har skickat dem till honom men det är helg så lär få vänta på svar till nästa vecka.
Thank you man! Well it was neccessary, and it made life much easier when i could change floors on my own to get stuff.
I agree, im gonna be very careful here, at least 2 months more, but i might remove a few pins slightly earlier while keeping the frame as that will make the consolidation even faster, but it depends on what Bagirovs thinks too.
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Wannabegiants, Great that you could manage the stairs so early.
Regarding your times in Ilizarov frames on your legs. Have you in all this times noticed at any times any small craking sounds coming from your Ilizarov frames when you stand and start to walk.
With Ilizarov frames like yours is it a big problem if one have small craking sound coming from the Ilizarov frames time to time when you stand up and begin to walk several times during the whole times in the Ilizarov frames?
Hmm no i dont think so, some times before when my knees where stiff there would be noises coming from them occassionally when i tried to walk etc, but it stopped happening a long while ago. The frames themselves havent made any noise though..
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Wow. I just plain could not do stairs while I had my frames on. I didn't have the leg strength to do it.
Maybe its harder to do it with the internal nail inside, at least initially since im guessing the trauma to the legs would be worse with the LON surgery.
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Wannabegiants, You say that you maybe will remove some of the pins before you remove your frames. Can you please show/tell by referring to your very good X-ray pictures where these pins is placed that can be removed before you remove your frames?
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Wannabegiants, You say that you maybe will remove some of the pins before you remove your frames. Can you please show/tell by referring to your very good X-ray pictures where these pins is placed that can be removed before you remove your frames?
Im not sure since he didnt tell me what pins he will remove (i didnt ask for specifics at the time) But im guessing he will remove the middle pins that are right under the knee, (i guess he removes 2 or 3 of them, keeping the outer ones and the thick one in the lower half ring. He probably doesnt remove any of the ankle pins before its done.
Btw i want to add, that Dr Bagirov also actually does this method of removing some pins at an earlier date before the frame removal.
I didnt know about it since he hadnt mentioned it before but he did it to another patient which i have contact with.
Its not optimal to do it with him if you are a foreign patient though, as you would either have to fly back and forth several more times or stay at the hospital again for an extended period of time which would be expensive, or rent some apartment in Moscow.
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Small update:
Dr Bagirov thought it was a bit to early to remove some pins, didnt give me an estimate how long i have left though. I expected this and intend to be careful. He knows about this stuff better than the local orthopedic, but at the same time its hard to get concrete answers from him, since he is mainly talking through his assistant. He did say that the bone healing looked very good though.
I think i have at most 3 months left until im completely done with the frames, so not to bad. My lower leg muscles have regained so much of their strength now that the frames feel very light when walking and moving. Recovery goes very fast it seems when lengthening smaller than average ammounts.
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hi wannabegiants...i read your diary and you mentioned that you prescribed blood thinning pills...other patient KILOKAHN with dr mangal in india doesnt get it, from what i read on internet blood thinner is required to avoid blood cloth which is a very dangerous complication if occur...i would like to know what kind of blood thinner you'd given and at what cost because i want to go to india for surgery since i can't stand cold weather....i want to ask KILO also why he doesnt given this med by the dr....thanks, i wish you have successful journey...
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hi wannabegiants...i read your diary and you mentioned that you prescribed blood thinning pills...other patient KILOKAHN with dr mangal in india doesnt get it, from what i read on internet blood thinner is required to avoid blood cloth which is a very dangerous complication if occur...i would like to know what kind of blood thinner you'd given and at what cost because i want to go to india for surgery since i can't stand cold weather....i want to ask KILO also why he doesnt given this med by the dr....thanks, i wish you have successful journey...
Hi Yudha, im sorry but i do not know the names of the painkillers i used, since they had russian names and they use a different alphabet. they where included in the daily price for staying at the clinic, and when it was time to go home to continue lengthening, i bought a few packs of them (2 i think) along with lots of other medicines. So i dont know the specific price. But considering how much meds i got for the combined price i dont think they where expensive at all.
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are you sure blood thinners is included or it is just pain killers and other thing? as i know blood thinners is expensive that may be reason some dr don't give it to their patients...
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are you sure blood thinners is included or it is just pain killers and other thing? as i know blood thinners is expensive that may be reason some dr don't give it to their patients...
I know it was blood thinners, because they told me what all the medicine was used for with the help of a translator. In fact i had 2 kinds of pills for a similar purpose. One of them was specifically blood thinning, which i took one every morning and one before going to bed so 2 every day. The other one was specifically against thrombosis and i only took one of those every day, at lunch time.
Not sure why they give you 2 types of tablets for such similar purposes at this clinic but i didnt question it. i dont used them anymore though, i ran out around the same time i was starting consolidation phase, but i didnt need them from there on out.
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Wannabe,
How was the energy in your body it must have been to much to sit still majority of the day in the bed or wheelchair. i notice that on myself if i sit still for more than a day my body starts to ache and i feel minor migrane.
And you went 4+ months like that. I would have needed alot of weed fo dat.
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Wannabe,
How was the energy in your body it must have been to much to sit still majority of the day in the bed or wheelchair. i notice that on myself if i sit still for more than a day my body starts to ache and i feel minor migrane.
And you went 4+ months like that. I would have needed alot of weed fo dat.
The first month after the surgery i didnt move much, took around 3 walks (5-10 min of walking each session) per day. I didnt have the energy for much else and there was discomfort sitting down, so i ended up laying flat on my back most of the days.
after that i got more and more energy, and i started to feel the muscle atrophy which made me have to move around more to get away from the discomfort momentarily.
The last 3 months i have had as much energy as i had pre surgery, i dont get tired from walking, my legs could get warm and tense some times after walking a lot, but i recovered fast by relaxing for 10-30 seks every now and then. Now my legs feel so good that i am only limited by the mobility (i can walk fast without warm up now) but i am still not as cordinated as before the surgery,and i dont think i can jump or run yet though. But i certainly would have the energy for it.
I end up being restless often without anything to do these days so i walk around for many minutes every now and then just thinking about random stuff.
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What was it like going through the airport with the frames on? Were you in a wheelchair being wheeled around? Did they check you, did you skip the queues?
How did you board the plane with the wheelchair, assuming you were in a wheelchair.
I worry about having to go home with the frames still on, was the process of going through customs, boarding the plane and so forth hard? How would you describe it?
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What was it like going through the airport with the frames on? Were you in a wheelchair being wheeled around? Did they check you, did you skip the queues?
How did you board the plane with the wheelchair, assuming you were in a wheelchair.
I worry about having to go home with the frames still on, was the process of going through customs, boarding the plane and so forth hard? How would you describe it?
I think i mentioned this in my diary several times already :p
anyway it wasnt bad, some service dude would wheel me through the airport and yes i got to skip the queues. I handed over my passport at the same places as a normal person would though, but i didnt have to go through the metal detector, only my hand bagagge went through there.
They left me at the gate and arrived again about 15 minutes before it was time to board the plane, on the trip back i got to board first. On the trip back for checkup and that return flight, i had to wait and board last. It depended on what seat i had.
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Ahh sorry about that :) It was actually me who asked it too? I must have forgotten lol, silly me :'(
So what happens to the wheelchair once you're on your seat? They just put it somewhere on the plane? lol
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Ahh sorry about that :) It was actually me who asked it too? I must have forgotten lol, silly me :'(
So what happens to the wheelchair once you're on your seat? They just put it somewhere on the plane? lol
They help you switch to a smaller version of a wheelchair when you are about to get on the plane, so the normal wheelchair is left at the airport. This small version is able to get through in the middle of the plane between the seats. After that they take it out of the plane as well, doesnt really matter because you get a similar one on the way off the plane when you have landed.
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what about your own wheelchair...they take it out from you so you lost it? the smaller wheelchair they give to you can you bring it home or you have to buy the new one? i think you lost money some around 22 dollar hehhee...
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what about your own wheelchair...they take it out from you so you lost it? the smaller wheelchair they give to you can you bring it home or you have to buy the new one? i think you lost money some around 22 dollar hehhee...
The airports have their own wheelchairs that you are allowed to borrow :) I never bought a wheelchair.
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hang in there my friends! good luck. Soon it will be all just a memory
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Hey OP, seems like the operation and recovery went well. Were there any complications involved? Was recovery really painful?
Does the doctor do slightly bigger lengthening? (6-7cm) What's the maximum length increase he will do in 1 operation?
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hang in there my friends! good luck. Soon it will be all just a memory
Well said my friend! I cant wait until i can leave all this behind me..
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Hey OP, seems like the operation and recovery went well. Were there any complications involved? Was recovery really painful?
Does the doctor do slightly bigger lengthening? (6-7cm) What's the maximum length increase he will do in 1 operation?
They dont recommend going over 6 cm, but you are allowed to do it i think. Crimson did. i can tell you that it isnt worth it to do that much, you will sacrifice athleticism, recovery time and proportions doing 8 cm.
I only had a small infection but it hurt a lot and prevented me from bending my knee for a while. But nothing serious. Right now i have no issues and just need to wait to get frames removed in probably 2 months. Also day by day my walking gets more relaxed and coordinated. I can already walk and make it look quite normal, but i have to concentrate a bit to do it.
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They dont recommend going over 6 cm, but you are allowed to do it i think. Crimson did. i can tell you that it isnt worth it to do that much, you will sacrifice athleticism, recovery time and proportions doing 8 cm.
I only had a small infection but it hurt a lot and prevented me from bending my knee for a while. But nothing serious. Right now i have no issues and just need to wait to get frames removed in probably 2 months. Also day by day my walking gets more relaxed and coordinated. I can already walk and make it look quite normal, but i have to concentrate a bit to do it.
Cool, thanks I will go for 6cm if I do end up choosing this particular doctor. Glad it went mostly ok for you. :)
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Cool, thanks I will go for 6cm if I do end up choosing this particular doctor. Glad it went mostly ok for you. :)
Yeah good idea, and thanks. However just so you are aware, there is a risk that this clinic doesnt allow patients to lengthen at home anymore, due to a certain other patient not following instructions....im not sure they have this policy 100% now, but i got a PM from another user that told me that when he was going to arrange a time with the clinic they said he couldnt lengthen at home because of this.
So i hope they change their minds because they would lost many clients doing that business model, hopefully you can convince them otherwise if you wish to lengthen at home.
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Wow really, do you by any chance know how much they charge to stay in the hospital/clinic?
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Been doing some more research into this. Why is Bagirov so cheap compared to other doctors? Is there something I'm missing?
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Been doing some more research into this. Why is Bagirov so cheap compared to other doctors? Is there something I'm missing?
You only get 5-6 days to stay in the clinic included with the price for the surgery, most other surgeons offer you to stay like 3 months more or less included with their price for surgery.
There are some options in India that are similar in price to Bagirov. Also Dr Mitcovic had a similar price before.
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Thanks, yes that makes sense now.
Been reading some more of the thread and this got me very intrigued.
Ive been asked that a lot. The main reasons is that i know i will be satisfied with myself at that height (178 cm), it will be much easier to hide the truth from my friends with a smaller height gain, and also because i wont have to be hide from them for as long. I dont want to risk getting weird proportions either, and i want to have a higher chance of achieving full recovery.
But i can understand why people think one should get as much as possible from such a huge sacrifice of time, money and effort that is LL.
But from my point of view, with gaining 4 cms, i already will have to wear the frames for a minimun 5 months in total (including lengthening phase) and that means no partying, no sex etc for the entire period. summer will be ruined since i cant swim and wear shorts among other things, and i will always have to be cautious when outside and meeting friends because they might notice the frames under my trousers, or they might bump into me and find out.
I wouldnt want to increase that period with even one month or more just to be maybe 1 cm taller than the 4 cm i planned on.
I also intend to intensively try out taking glucosamine sulphate once i enter the consolidation phase, and probably permanently after im healed. I have heard of people getting as much as 3 cms of height after some months of taking the pills every day. How much you can gain from this probably varies from individuals but it has been confirmed to give some height at least, also it is gained in the spine so it will counter balance the proportions i get from this surgery a bit.
I honestly can't believe I've never heard of this possible height increasing supplement before until now. I read some more here http://www.naturalheightgrowth.com/2014/02/20/non-prescription-supplement-scientifically-proven-make-grow-taller-even-closed-growth-plates/ and it can increase your height by potentially up to 3cm like you say. Did you notice any difference with these? I really want to try it out.
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Thanks, yes that makes sense now.
Been reading some more of the thread and this got me very intrigued.
I honestly can't believe I've never heard of this possible height increasing supplement before until now. I read some more here http://www.naturalheightgrowth.com/2014/02/20/non-prescription-supplement-scientifically-proven-make-grow-taller-even-closed-growth-plates/ and it can increase your height by potentially up to 3cm like you say. Did you notice any difference with these? I really want to try it out.
I havent tried them actually yet, i read some pubmed study that suggested it could potentially slow down consolidation of fractures, so i decided to wait with them until after im done.
Now the 3 cm gain is mostly just hear-say, not confirmed. There have been some posters online claiming they gained that, but who knows maybe they measured wrong or something. I do think anyone who takes it can expect to gain a mm or two at least.
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Dem magic pills, lol.
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Made a big realisation these past 2 days..
Walking outside is much different from walking inside your home. I thought my walking was close to normal since walking on my house floor was so easy. But outside the uneven terrain and slopes and hills etc, make it a lot more difficult and the muscles have to work in different ways..
I took my first long walk outside on thursday and my cardio was no problem and my legs could handle it for quite a while but after maybe 20 mins they started to feel tense and the muscles around my knees became sore and also one of my ankles..
I recovered pretty fast though and the next day it felt very easy to walk on my floor again, like i had improved after pushing myself on that long walk the day before, so i took another walk and i could probably walk around the same distance again, although the ground was slightly more straight on the road i chose this time.
When i came home i felt like i did on thursday, but my left knee is very sore now (because of schlatters disease) and my right ankle too..
Im not nearly as recovered as i thought i was.. until i can walk decently outside it doesnt mean much to remove the frames, i will still look handicapped and people will know something is wrong.. I hope this improves a lot this next month though..
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Welcome to the reality of LL.
Try to walk bare feet on hard wood floor. That took me a very long time to walk normally on.
Immediately after frame removal go and see a physical therapist(sjukgymnast). He will show you some exercises you need to do to get back to normal.
I have been way too lazy to do it as I should but now when I can run again I've got back the spark in my life so I'm going to see my PT next Monday.
Try to eat water melon, coconut oil, chia seeds, avocado, walnuts, eggs, lemon and fish oil.
This will help you to build up strong bones again and your muscles will recover faster. The tendons need the fat to be lubricant. Lemon is for every day health :)
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Welcome to the reality of LL.
Try to walk bare feet on hard wood floor. That took me a very long time to walk normally on.
Immediately after frame removal go and see a physical therapist(sjukgymnast). He will show you some exercises you need to do to get back to normal.
I have been way too lazy to do it as I should but now when I can run again I've got back the spark in my life so I'm going to see my PT next Monday.
Try to eat water melon, coconut oil, chia seeds, avocado, walnuts, eggs, lemon and fish oil.
This will help you to build up strong bones again and your muscles will recover faster. The tendons need the fat to be lubricant. Lemon is for every day health :)
Thank you for the info :)
Yeah if i want to get back to normal anytime soon i better see a pt sooner rather than later..
Ive walked barefeet on hard wood floor plenty of times already, but i agree it feels way different and more stiff.. not nearly as bad as the slopes outdoors though :-\
I also realised waking up today i have probably sprained my right ankle (or strained, not sure if it is tendon or muscle pain). Its on the outer side of the lower tibia end ball, close to the pins. I must have overexerted it, and now i can barely walk and have constant pain in it..fml
guess i might need a few days for it to heal.
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I think the soreness is linked to loss of muscles and lack of strenuous activity. It should get better the more you build up fitness, it's like exercising again after not doing so for a long time. Hope your recovery improves in the next month.
Yeah for sure, my ankle and knee muscles where not used to work on uneven terrain since i hadnt done that for so many months.. now i think i pushed myself to far to early..
I have a lot of pain in my right ankle now, i have to rest and use some ice..but i cant properly exercise until it heals..i hope this doesnt slow my consolidation down to much
Although on second thoughts.. i do think the pins i have at the ankle made it more painful and stressful for the muscles to walk on uneven terrain where the foot needs to bend sideways.. so it might not only be muscle weakness, its probably the frame itself which made it harder.
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Nice to catch up on your diary WBG. I was thinking of Dr Bagriov at one point, having to do the lengthening on my own make it a non consideration for me. Do you know what's the price and aftercare for the guesthouse in Baku?
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Nice to catch up on your diary WBG. I was thinking of Dr Bagriov at one point, having to do the lengthening on my own make it a non consideration for me. Do you know what's the price and aftercare for the guesthouse in Baku?
Hmm, they did recently claim that they dont want patients to lengthen at home, while i dont know the price in Baku, im quite sure the surgery price is cheaper, and the apartment in Baku (i dont think they have a guesthouse tbh) is a lot cheaper compared to the Moscow clinic.
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wannabe..
How is your generall health. that is one of my biggest concerns. I have already lived a rather unhealhy lifestyle. And i figure if i was bedridden for 4-5 months with painkillers taken pretty much everyday. Not the best food and sleep. also STRESS on that. How are you holding up do you feel the same as before surgery or more worn up.
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wannabe..
How is your generall health. that is one of my biggest concerns. I have already lived a rather unhealhy lifestyle. And i figure if i was bedridden for 4-5 months with painkillers taken pretty much everyday. Not the best food and sleep. also STRESS on that. How are you holding up do you feel the same as before surgery or more worn up.
There where periods in my LL journey where i felt really weak both physically and mentally over my situation, and seeing my legs becoming so skinny and losing overall weight over my body including my face made me even more depressed. (my face became gaunt for a while)
Because while i ate good food and 3 meals a day etc i didnt realize that my already very high metabolism would burn even more weight when the body is healing 2 broken legs. Well i did know about it but i didnt know it would make such a big difference.
Eventually i started taking protein shake supplements and eating some extra fast food, fruit and snacks in between my main meals to get my weight up a bit.
But overall mental stress and depression over the loneliness is the main hurdle in LL.
Right now physically im pretty good, my calves have regained their almost all of the muscle it seems and they feel pretty strong but probably not fully recovered yet (i have to take into account that the legs will feel slightly less agile because of carrying the weight from the fixators).
Walking inside and outside on flat ground feels easy already, but when walking outside on slopes and hills it felt very difficult, but i think muscle weakness is only a small reason for that and the main issue is the ankle pins preventing the foot from bending sideways freely.
My body and face has regained weight, only my thigh (quad) muscles are still very noticably skinnier. So i feel less depressed about that.
So yeah i think i will recover faster than average,but i realize i have a long way to go until i will feel completely normal again.
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There where periods in my LL journey where i felt really weak both physically and mentally over my situation, and seeing my legs becoming so skinny and losing overall weight over my body including my face made me even more depressed. (my face became gaunt for a while)
Because while i ate good food and 3 meals a day etc i didnt realize that my already very high metabolism would burn even more weight when the body is healing 2 broken legs. Well i did know about it but i didnt know it would make such a big difference.
Eventually i started taking protein shake supplements and eating some extra fast food, fruit and snacks in between my main meals to get my weight up a bit.
But overall mental stress and depression over the loneliness is the main hurdle in LL.
Right now physically im pretty good, my calves have regained their almost all of the muscle it seems and they feel pretty strong but probably not fully recovered yet (i have to take into account that the legs will feel slightly less agile because of carrying the weight from the fixators).
Walking inside and outside on flat ground feels easy already, but when walking outside on slopes and hills it felt very difficult, but i think muscle weakness is only a small reason for that and the main issue is the ankle pins preventing the foot from bending sideways freely.
My body and face has regained weight, only my thigh (quad) muscles are still very noticably skinnier. So i feel less depressed about that.
So yeah i think i will recover faster than average,but i realize i have a long way to go until i will feel completely normal again.
Do you think weed would have made it better during your stay?. Im not talking 24/7 smoking sessions here. Just generall "ok" i'vem done the psyo, the food, the general routine. Now i can relax with a joint and watch a series or what have you. Or maybe you had no time or effort to conduct in such activities. Because as you know time goes twice as fast when you are high. I might look into that and bring with me some green to keep me sain and possibly share it with some other LL's at the hospital.
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Do you think weed would have made it better during your stay?. Im not talking 24/7 smoking sessions here. Just generall "ok" i'vem done the psyo, the food, the general routine. Now i can relax with a joint and watch a series or what have you. Or maybe you had no time or effort to conduct in such activities. Because as you know time goes twice as fast when you are high. I might look into that and bring with me some green to keep me sain and possibly share it with some other LL's at the hospital.
One thing though, im not sure smoking weed prior to having a surgery is recommended, now i didnt have narcosis (only local anesthesia) so it might not affect that any, but i think if you are a heavy weed smoker and have THC in high ammounts in your system it could affect the narcosis for the surgery, not 100% sure though. best to be safe and avoid it imo.
But yeah, i have tried weed before a few times, but for me it has been a hit or miss in terms of how it made me feel. Some times it made me feel good and relaxed and like you said i lost count of time. But other times it has made me depressed and kind of amplified my thoughts about sad events in my life..it made me focus on those things and enhance the negative feeling, so i was down for like several hours..
So i never considered using any of that during my LL, it was out of my reach anyway, the only dealers i know are some of my friends and i didnt want to reveal LL for them obviously.
I was never an experienced smoker so to speak, i have never tried regular cigarettes for example. Maybe you could handle it better but i dont even know how it would affect bone healing, maybe not at all but who knows.
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I know you've said that you feel that LL has improved your proportions, which is awesome. But, how much do you think it has affected your proportions? As in, how noticeable is the change when looking at both your overall profile and, also, when looking just at you tibias?
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I know you've said that you feel that LL has improved your proportions, which is awesome. But, how much do you think it has affected your proportions? As in, how noticeable is the change when looking at both your overall profile and, also, when looking just at you tibias?
I mean mainly when looking at my whole body, both in underwear and with all types of clothes, i had such long arms and wide shoulders, that i looked kind of weird in some clothes before LL (my wingspan must have been a lot longer than my height), but now it looks more balanced.
it also doesnt look unnatural at all when looking at just the tibias either, honestly looking at them now it would seem almost weird if they where 4.3 cm shorter which they where originally. They have retained their thickness too, but i never trained my calves, so when i start doing that in the gym i bet it will look even better. My Femurs are still substantially longer than my tibias.
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Wannabegiant, How are you doing and when will you have your next X-ray taken?
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Wannabegiant, How are you doing and when will you have your next X-ray taken?
Hey man, im doing perfectly fine physically, i feel like i have recovered a lot and have great mobility and full range of motion. Legs feel light and agile, walking is easy.
But mentally i feel so fkin bored, and im so restless, i want to get on with my life as soon as possible..But the depression is almost over because i feel like almost all the risk is over and i can clearly see the path to happiness is within my reach without any big obstacles left.
I will take x-rays this week and if im lucky i might get both frames removed sometime this month.
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Hey man, im doing perfectly fine physically, i feel like i have recovered a lot and have great mobility and full range of motion. Legs feel light and agile, walking is easy.
But mentally i feel so f**kin bored, and im so restless, i want to get on with my life as soon as possible..But the depression is almost over because i feel like almost all the risk is over and i can clearly see the path to happiness is within my reach without any big obstacles left.
I will take x-rays this week and if im lucky i might get both frames removed sometime this month.
How can you be bored though?
Isn't there like 4 months of lengthening then you go home and recover. But you can go outside with crutches or take a little walk being 7+ cm taller with shoes on that. I'd be in heaven every day. Depression would instantly go away. I dont get it..
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Hey man, im doing perfectly fine physically, i feel like i have recovered a lot and have great mobility and full range of motion. Legs feel light and agile, walking is easy.
But mentally i feel so f**kin bored, and im so restless, i want to get on with my life as soon as possible..But the depression is almost over because i feel like almost all the risk is over and i can clearly see the path to happiness is within my reach without any big obstacles left.
I will take x-rays this week and if im lucky i might get both frames removed sometime this month.
that is great news my friend! hang in there, and you will recover so fast because you lengthened very little!)) ull be back to your life in no time!!
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How can you be bored though?
Isn't there like 4 months of lengthening then you go home and recover. But you can go outside with crutches or take a little walk being 7+ cm taller with shoes on that. I'd be in heaven every day. Depression would instantly go away. I dont get it..
Im bored because im avoiding going outside as much as i can, since i didnt want anybody who knew me to see me with crutches and walking like im injured, also the frames are quite hard to hide 100%. I dont want anybody i know to find out, and when they see me taller, if they had seen me with injured legs earlier they might figure it out you know.
i only take walks basically late in the evening, and those trips to the hospital for x-rays etc.
I also cannot work out because it might slow down consolidation, and i cannot socialise with my friends..i cant get on with my life until this is done and it is so frustrating.
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Im bored because im avoiding going outside as much as i can, since i didnt want anybody who knew me to see me with crutches and walking like im injured, also the frames are quite hard to hide 100%. I dont want anybody i know to find out, and when they see me taller, if they had seen me with injured legs earlier they might figure it out you know.
i only take walks basically late in the evening, and those trips to the hospital for x-rays etc.
I also cannot work out because it might slow down consolidation, and i cannot socialise with my friends..i cant get on with my life until this is done and it is so frustrating.
Why didnt you do LON?
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that is great news my friend! hang in there, and you will recover so fast because you lengthened very little!)) ull be back to your life in no time!!
Thanks man, i appreciate your support, i think so too actually, i can actually easily see myself being back to sports some time next year at this rate :D I dont really feel any muscle weakness even though my quads are still visibly smaller than before, i have to work on that a lot as soon as im able to :P
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Why didnt you do LON?
The high risk of knee pain isnt worth it imo, also the doctor i went to doesnt do LON, its also cheaper with exfix only.
I also find the idea of having a long metal bar inside my bones quite unsettling, and i would have to wait over a year to remove them, i prefer getting rid of it all at once.
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The high risk of knee pain isnt worth it imo, also the doctor i went to doesnt do LON, its also cheaper with exfix only.
I also find the idea of having a long metal bar inside my bones quite unsettling, and i would have to wait over a year to remove them, i prefer getting rid of it all at once.
Still doing monoroil* must be soul crushing. having them on for 7 months!. Im doing LON on tibia i see no other way.
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Still doing monoroil* must be soul crushing. having them on for 7 months!. Im doing LON on tibia i see no other way.
i used ilizarov not monorail, but yeah it is extremely hard mentally for sure. LON is probably worth it if they could fix the knee pain thing, i think i saw a topic here mentioning different methods of inserting the nails, and one of them could possibly avoid the knee problems.
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Big update:
I had x-rays taken yesterday, i didnt get to meet my doctor in person though since he was busy. But he had time to look at them and email me his thoughts. He says my right leg is completely healed and it would be possible to remove that frame right away. My left leg was almost fully healed, and it would be possible to loosen the pins right away.
Now i didnt get to see the x-rays myself yet but he will send them to me. And I already had a planned appointment with the doctor 29:th of this month, but by that time my left leg will most likely have healed fully as well, so im waiting for his response if we will schedule an earlier meeting and remove one frame and loosen the pins on the other, or prepare to remove both frames at the same time at the planned meeting on the 29:th.
Anyway i feel very recovered and here is a video link showing how i can move. Just to make a certain whining crybaby be quiet and sit in the corner (everyone knows who im talking about including himself) il post this link and i will remove it in 3 days or so.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3v7wl073oh0ciso/Video%202014-09-09%2020%2038%2051.mov?dl=0
btw make sure to turn up the sound so you can hear me step dancing, to get a better idea how fast my legs can move already.
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Sorry for the late response I saw a movie -"Edge of tomorrow" it's downloadable in hd pretty good recommended.
Anyway you're walking like a boss, the stairs seemed kind of rough but hey, I'm always careful in narrow stairs and my legs aren't broken.
Understand you didn't want to post a video -rest assuared I have no idea who you are, might be santa for all I know.
If you ever feel up for more video clips just know that it would be appreciated.
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Sorry for the late response I saw a movie -"Edge of tomorrow" it's downloadable in hd pretty good recommended.
Anyway you're walking like a boss, the stairs seemed kind of rough but hey, I'm always careful in narrow stairs and my legs aren't broken.
Understand you didn't want to post a video -rest assuared I have no idea who you are, might be santa for all I know.
If you ever feel up for more video clips just know that it would be appreciated.
No worries mate, thanks for the tip, ive been waiting for a torrent for that movie for some time now, have heard pretty good things about it. Gonna download it now actually ;D
Thanks, its very easy to walk, and the stairs are easy but of course i was careful since i was filming at the same time and dont want to risk stumbling. I can walk very fast actually, and from this angle it might look like my gait is a bit short, but it feels pretty much the same compared to before LL, i think my gait is the same, only it might look like my bodyframe is moving a shorter distance forward compared to before since im taller. I could easily take longer steps though if i wanted but then that is not how you walk naturally :p
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Emily blunt is a hot piece of ass. Not very good looking to be honest but she has that "je ne sais pas" you know?
What's "gait" though?
It looked like you were doing baby steps but that's what it looks like when looking down apparently I tried it myself.
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Emily blunt is a hot piece of ass. Not very good looking to be honest but she has that "je ne sais pas" you know?
What's "gait" though?
It looked like you were doing baby steps but that's what it looks like when looking down apparently I tried it myself.
Nice but dont you need a membership from those kinds of sites? i always use piratebay personally :p Maybe its not out available there yet though.
Agreed about that gal, i dont typically think her look is ideal but in the trailers ive seen from this movie she was very attractive. She looks tough maybe thats what does it, but i dunno :P
The gait is the steps you take when walking or running, how the legs move when going forward. Of course the gait is different from walking and running. But the gait when walking is mostly dependent on how long the femur is.
As you said, in my video the steps look a bit short, but that is how it looks like when viewing it from that upward angle, im certain it looked the same before LL, except for the fact that im taller (head further away from the floor) so the feet look smaller and it looks like they are traveling a smaller distance forward because of that :p When i look at myself walking next to a body mirror, it looks completely normal though.
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looks fine brother. does your doctor do femurs at all?
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looks fine brother. does your doctor do femurs at all?
Thanks man! Im pretty sure he doesnt :p if you want to do femurs in Russia i think the doctor which exclicide went to in St Petersburg is the best option, and probably the only one listed on this forum.
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Hey Wannabegiants. I have five questions:
1) You was operated 1. March. Have you broken any pins in your Ilizarov devices until today?
2) How many infections at your pin sites have you had until today?
3) When you had an infection at a pin site what did you precisely to treat the infection?
4) Did you eat any raw garlic when you had infections?
5) When you had an infection at a pin site approximately how many days did it take until you got rid of the infection?
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Do you know any information about Dr. Bagirov's possible guesthouse setup in Azerbaijan?
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Hey Wannabegiants. I have five questions:
1) You was operated 1. March. Have you broken any pins in your Ilizarov devices until today?
2) How many infections at your pin sites have you had until today?
3) When you had an infection at a pin site what did you precisely to treat the infection?
4) Did you eat any raw garlic when you had infections?
5) When you had an infection at a pin site approximately how many days did it take until you got rid of the infection?
1. Never broke any pins, they felt very stable actually, i think a few of the thinner ones bended a little bit but they didnt look like they where even close to breaking. However i only weighted around 65 kilos and lower during most of the LL period.
2. Only had one infection, and it happened right before i was done lengthening, if it hurts bad you are supposed to slow down the lengthening rate during an infection.
3. I put on some ointment around the infected pinsite, which i bought from the clinic, it contained anti-biotics. and i tried to avoid walking as much as i could.
4. No.
5. Cant really remember, probably a week or slightly more, but even after the pain was gone my knee remained stiff for quite a long while after, and that didnt stop until i was done lengthening. Then after that the stiffness went away in like 2 days.
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Do you know any information about Dr. Bagirov's possible guesthouse setup in Armenia?
I assume you mean Azerbaijan, but i dont have much information at all about it.. i think the price was slightly lower to do the surgery in Baku in azerbaijan, and the guesthouse is definitely cheaper than the hospital room in Moscow, but by how much im not sure. Dr Bagirov only comes to Baku once ever month though if i recall correctly.
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Since your operation how many times have you clean your pin sites and changed the gaze bandages. And how do you clean your pin sites - Do you use 0.2 percent chlorhexidine spray to do it?
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Wow this seems ok for my budget , but with this price is it trustable ?
My height 165-164 looking forward to lengthen tibia 7 cm. I'm 22 years old. I will take a closer look , Thank you for the post ;) ;)
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How are you feeling now WNB?
Hope everything is going according to plan.
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I might be going to Dr bagirov in dec
How is the aftercare? Thanks :)
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How are you feeling now WNB?
Hope everything is going according to plan.
Well not really :-\
I had surgery 2 days ago and removed my right frame, but the doctor claimed that while my left leg might be able to be strong enough for frame removal, there is a slight risk of it bending still because the callus wasnt thick enough on the front in their opinion. So they wanted me to wait approximately another month until i can remove it >:(
But to my surprise they say i am allowed to put full weight onto my frame free right leg right away, i was under the impression that you would need to be careful for a few weeks and use crutches after frame removal. This makes me believe that the reason i have had to wait so long is because they rather remove the frames here when there is no risk left for the bone bending and such. My right leg was ready for frame removal over a month ago so it makes sense.
This sucks because i already told some of my friends i would be home in oktober, now i probably wont be able to meet them until november, i also already paid tickets for a cruize which me and my friends where supposed to go to in oktober as well and now i lose that money for nothing..
The last week ive spent time using the Tinder and Badoo apps, and ive got quite a lot (like 15 currently) matches with girls who are all in the 6-9 range of hotness (sadly many of them are 18 only :P)
This helps my confidence and is a good way to spend the time but its getting problematic keeping some of the girls ive been chatting with interested since i cant ask them on a date yet until im done with LL, so this makes it stressful when it is supposed to be fun.
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You're lucky that you haven't had complications with your muscles and nerves and that you are predicted to make a full recovery. You're lucky that your journey has gone so smoothly thus far. Hang in there. This is the final stretch.
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So how much time did you spent in externals overall and how much did you lengthen?
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You're lucky that you haven't had complications with your muscles and nerves and that you are predicted to make a full recovery. You're lucky that your journey has gone so smoothly thus far. Hang in there. This is the final stretch.
Yeah i know youre right but considering i made all the research i could a year in advance and followed all the instructions completely and never took any risks, i think i should be able to expect this level of recovery. However i was really unlucky in that i had my knee injury from before on my left leg, which prevented me from putting as much weight onto it during lengthening since my muscles around the knee where weakened. This is most likely the reason why it took much longer for the left leg to recover, as well as the fact that i added 2 mm extra there to fix the length discrepancy.
Im confident i would have been done maybe a month ago already if i didnt have that knee injury..and life is gonna be really stressful for the reminder of this year since this took much longer than expected..Im also not used to doing stuff since i havent done so in 7 months, i wonder how i will handle studies and stuff in the beginning of my return.
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So how much time did you spent in externals overall and how much did you lengthen?
Ive been in these frames for 7 months now, i had surgery mars 01, and i lengthened 4.3 cm on my right leg and 4.5 cm on my left leg.
Considering some of the timeframes other patients have been done here, this is a failure in terms of consolidation speed. I have walked a lot and eaten very healthy food for majority of the time frame. But since my right leg was done a month ago that makes it obvious to me that it was my knee injury which made my left leg lag behind so much. So its more unlucky circumstances rather than genes which made it take so long.
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Ive been in these frames for 7 months now, i had surgery mars 01
Heh, and my surgery was at April 5. So I've been in frames for almost 6 months. I've lengthened 7.5cm and I still have no idea, when will I be able to take them off, even though I have 'better than average consolidation rate'. Did you use any calcium supplements? Like osteogenon, I've heard it's better than CC.
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Heh, and my surgery was at April 5. So I've been in frames for almost 6 months. I've lengthened 7.5cm and I still have no idea, when will I be able to take them off, even though I have 'better than average consolidation rate'. Did you use any calcium supplements? Like osteogenon, I've heard it's better than CC.
Yeah but arent you doing two segments? or are you planning to but havent started yet?
Anyway im very dissapointed with my timeframe, its looking to be 8 months because of my left leg, and that is way to long for 4.3 cm. I took calcium and vitamin D supplements every day and i had osteogenon for maybe a total of 3 months (i took one pill per day of those for as long as they lasted). Ate lots of fruit and vegetables, lots of protein (i only started taking protein powder shakes 4 months post op however, should have started sooner)
Im aware my doctor in russia before i did the surgery told me that 4 cm takes 6-9 months on average for their patients, but im aware of other patients completing this sooner. however as i said, unlike those patients i dont really need to be careful with my legs after frame removal, since they remove my frames after the bone is sufficiently healed for full weight bearing. So i at least dont have to worry about losing height or bending my bones.
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How does your right leg feel without the frame on?
How does it look? How are your scars at this point?
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How does your right leg feel without the frame on?
How does it look? How are your scars at this point?
My right leg feels pretty great actually, i mean im still a little to scared to walk normally with it even though the doctors claim its safe to do it, but i tried push down on it a few times and it feels very stable, i cannot "feel" the bone at all so it is like pre LL, no pain or anything. In terms of appearance, it looks normal, but its definitely on the longer side of tibias, at least for a guy my height, im sure nobody will notice anything though.
And as far as scars go, i havent seen the scar where they put the large pin (i still have a patch over there), but the ones under the knee look like some kind of pimples now, they are a bit large but when they fall of it will probably look like some small dark spot only, in fact it doesnt even look surgical to me at this point, pretty awesome.
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Well that's great to hear! I'm glad that your LL has gone smoothly so far! I know it's been boring, and being pretty young myself, I do understand that for people in our age group patience can be one of the most difficult qualities to exhibit and truly appreciate , but you've really done a great job of being careful and your hard work will hopefully pay off really soon. You're definitely in the home stretch at this point.
How much has this whole procedure cost you up until this point?
And, yes, I agree that your tibiae would probably be long after 4.3CM but still within the normal range for your height. If you had done more than 5CM, they'd be longer than typical for your height, which can be pretty obvious when sitting down. That's why I'm going to do ~4,3CM on each segment myself. Long tibiae look pretty manly in my opinion, but they can quickly go from looking manly to unnatural if lengthened too much. It sounds like you hit the sweet spot, though.
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Well that's great to hear! I'm glad that your LL has gone smoothly so far! I know it's been boring, and being pretty young myself, I do understand that for people in our age group patience can be one of the most difficult qualities to exhibit and truly appreciate , but you've really done a great job of being careful and your hard work will hopefully pay off really soon. You're definitely in the home stretch at this point.
How much has this whole procedure cost you up until this point?
And, yes, I agree that your tibiae would probably be long after 4.3CM but still within the normal range for your height. If you had done more than 5CM, they'd be longer than typical for your height, which can be pretty obvious when sitting down. That's why I'm going to do ~4,3CM on each segment myself. Long tibiae look pretty manly in my opinion, but they can quickly go from looking manly to unnatural if lengthened too much. It sounds like you hit the sweet spot, though.
Thanks and yeah i know what you mean in terms of patience. However in my case, it feels like ive waited all my teen years to finally be happy with myself and start living like my friends did for all their life so far. Long before height became a problem i had other problems happen to me during my teens.
one of the things that happened was that i fractured my nose when playing football when i was 14 years old (elbow to the face), and i ended up getting excess cartilage in it after it healed, and the doctor told me it would go away eventually by itself and he didnt want to do any procedure to remove it right away because i was still growing. However it didnt go away and i looked like some witch with a small bulge on the side of my nose (mostly visible from my right side), so hid my face when i met new people quite a lot and i felt ugly and insecure back then, and some people would make fun of my appearance. When i turned 18 i finally got it removed with a cortison injection and my life changed for the better, but still because of those years i didnt make a lot of new friends and people still remembered me as the shy passive guy who nobody payed attention to.
Those years sucked as i was depressed about it daily. When i turned 18 and my face got cleaned up, i got motivated to improve my overall appearance, but not long after that i realized i was shorter than average and i already was at a disadvantage because of my lack of positive reputation. I felt inferior to most of my friends because of this. But all that has improved over the years as i worked on my education and my social game, and started to meet new people. But i felt i could never reach where i wanted without the height gain. Now i have no obstacles left after LL is done.
Im not sure but the surgery was 6450 euro, and i went to russia twice, so the tickets where below 1000 swedish kr per flight, so 4 flights total. i also payed ca 1000 (a little less) swedish kr for the medicine bag for the lengthening phase. other than that i havent spent much else, getting x-rays is very cheap in Sweden and if you have a certain card where you get marks every time you visit, you eventually get almost a year of completely free health care whenever you visit. So i made use of that.
Yeah, i think if i added more my tibia would have looked to long, so i think 4.3 was the sweet spot.
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Thanks and yeah i know what you mean in terms of patience. However in my case, it feels like ive waited all my teen years to finally be happy with myself and start living like my friends did for all their life so far. Long before height became a problem i had other problems happen to me during my teens.
one of the things that happened was that i fractured my nose when playing football when i was 14 years old (elbow to the face), and i ended up getting excess cartilage in it after it healed, and the doctor told me it would go away eventually by itself and he didnt want to do any procedure to remove it right away because i was still growing. However it didnt go away and i looked like some witch with a small bulge on the side of my nose (mostly visible from my right side), so hid my face when i met new people quite a lot and i felt ugly and insecure back then, and some people would make fun of my appearance. When i turned 18 i finally got it removed with a cortison injection and my life changed for the better, but still because of those years i didnt make a lot of new friends and people still remembered me as the shy passive guy who nobody payed attention to.
Those years sucked as i was depressed about it daily. When i turned 18 and my face got cleaned up, i got motivated to improve my overall appearance, but not long after that i realized i was shorter than average and i already was at a disadvantage because of my lack of positive reputation. I felt inferior to most of my friends because of this. But all that has improved over the years as i worked on my education and my social game, and started to meet new people. But i felt i could never reach where i wanted without the height gain. Now i have no obstacles left after LL is done.
Im not sure but the surgery was 6450 euro, and i went to russia twice, so the tickets where below 1000 swedish kr per flight, so 4 flights total. i also payed ca 1000 (a little less) swedish kr for the medicine bag for the lengthening phase. other than that i havent spent much else, getting x-rays is very cheap in Sweden and if you have a certain card where you get marks every time you visit, you eventually get almost a year of completely free health care whenever you visit. So i made use of that.
Yeah, i think if i added more my tibia would have looked to long, so i think 4.3 was the sweet spot.
did bagirov confirm any loss?
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That's great WNB you're gonna take charge of your life from now on -I love it!
Agree that long tibia look manly and I'm happy you are having a good, if lenghty, recovery. Do you plan on posting more pictures or videos in the future?
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6500 is a very good price and he is a very good dr hope I can get the money soon
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did bagirov confirm any loss?
You mean loss of height? His assistant confirmed i had lengthened 4.3 cm during my return check up in Moscow and he claimed to have fixed the length discrepency between the legs which i had pre surgery.
But then when i got home for consolidation phase i eventually was able to start walking quite well unaided. During this time it started to feel like my left leg was slightly shorter for some reason, like i was automatically leaning very slightly to my left to divide the pressure on both my feet evenly. So i added 2 mm extra to my left leg and it started to feel more symmetrical. After that when i went to the local doctor in Sweden, he claimed both my legs where the same length, but i dont know if he meant exactly the same length down to the mm.
And im sure i havent lost anything since i drew a line on a wall (where the top of my head ended) after my lengthening phase was done, and im still on that spot when i measure my height today.
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That's great WNB you're gonna take charge of your life from now on -I love it!
Agree that long tibia look manly and I'm happy you are having a good, if lenghty, recovery. Do you plan on posting more pictures or videos in the future?
Thank you my friend, well i when i get done i might upload a photo of my frame free legs for a limited time..but not sure. I wont be on this forum nearly as much as i have to work hard to get back into normal life. but i will give updates every 2 months or so, or more often depending on how fast the recovery goes. When i feel fully recovered i will post about it, possibly upload a video to show my ability, and then il probably try to forget about every height related thing permanently :)
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That's my dream as well: to reach a height I'm satisfied with and then just forget all about it. I had such a good life before these insecurities happiest I've been in my life. I really envy that you've reached your goal and look forward to some info on your physical recovery.
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sorry, the question may have been asked many times, don't you have any problems of coordination between your femurs and your tibias?
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sorry, the question may have been asked many times, don't you have any problems of coordination between your femurs and your tibias?
I still have one frame left (on my left leg) but i can honestly say that apart from the added weight of the frame it feels almost like normal. My right leg feels normal and its easy to move it and i can move it fast, walking feels barely any different from before the surgery.
I do notice that i can feel that my tibia is slightly longer than it was before, my frame free right leg feels slightly heavier (although its such a minimal difference from pre LL that its almost not even worth mentioning). It doesnt seem to affect my balance at all, at least not for doing basic stuff like walking fast, standing on one leg, or going backwards or turning fast etc.
I havent tried running or jumping yet because i dont dare to do it until i know my bones are 100% hard enough to do it, but it feels like i could do it no problem already in terms of mobility and muscle strength.
it is probably because i added only 4.3 cm that i dont feel much difference in the legs, but im confident you will get used to the new length eventually even if you did more. But obviously the less you lengthen the closer you will be able to reach pre LL in terms of how your mobility feels and works.
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thank you for your answer.
I'm considering Russia too, guichet is too expensive, but i would love to do limb lenghtening with him since i'm french.
According to you what is the limit that must not be exceeded with tibial?
Did do you practice sport before?Do you think you will be able to resume sport like before LL?
I m reading your diary, and i think i will only consider 3 cm now, imo lenghtening more than 4 cm on your tibial is not a good idea, unless you did or consider femur.
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thank you for your answer.
I'm considering Russia too, guichet is too expensive, but i would love to do limb lenghtening with him since i'm french.
According to you what is the limit that must not be exceeded with tibial?
Did do you practice sport before?Do you think you will be able to resume sport like before LL?
I m reading your diary, and i think i will only consider 3 cm now, imo lenghtening more than 4 cm on your tibial is not a good idea, unless you did or consider femur.
From all the info ive seen on this, based on others diaries and surgeon comments, I think in general you should not exceed 6 cm on tibias. It ultimately depends on the original bone length of the patients tibias, i think the safe limit was said to be 15% or 20% increase of original bone length, but in most cases it seems big problems arise after 6 cm.
Also even if you have no complications over 6 cm, at this point im fairly confident that the difference will feel substantial compared to pre LL, it might not necessarily feel "worse" but im sure it will feel very different in terms of mechanics.
I dont think there is much difference doing 3 or 4 cm, in terms of how you recover ultimately, but for sure the less you lengthen the faster you will recover, and with 3 cm the difference compared to pre surgery should barely feel noticeable at all imo.
I did do sports before, football and some mma, but i didnt compete at a high level in either of them. Mainly because i never put all my attention to them, they where always just a side hobby for me while i focused on education and social stuff as i got older.
Im sure i will easily be able to reach that same level even after LL, to be honest with a small increase like i did, i only think you will notice any loss of athleticism at very high levels, like Sweden and his Taek wondo. So if you are a competing at a very high level in some sport i think you might notice some loss of ability, but i dont think it would be as big of a loss as you would expect.
But at the highest level its the small things that make the difference so i guess even a 1% loss of athleticism could change your career for the worse.
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From all the info ive seen on this, based on others diaries and surgeon comments, I think in general you should not exceed 6 cm on tibias. It ultimately depends on the original bone length of the patients tibias, i think the safe limit was said to be 15% or 20% increase of original bone length, but in most cases it seems big problems arise after 6 cm.
Also even if you have no complications over 6 cm, at this point im fairly confident that the difference will feel substantial compared to pre LL, it might not necessarily feel "worse" but im sure it will feel very different in terms of mechanics.
I dont think there is much difference doing 3 or 4 cm, in terms of how you recover ultimately, but for sure the less you lengthen the faster you will recover, and with 3 cm the difference compared to pre surgery should barely feel noticeable at all imo.
I did do sports before, football and some mma, but i didnt compete at a high level in either of them. Mainly because i never put all my attention to them, they where always just a side hobby for me while i focused on education and social stuff as i got older.
Im sure i will easily be able to reach that same level even after LL, to be honest with a small increase like i did, i only think you will notice any loss of athleticism at very high levels, like Sweden and his Taek wondo. So if you are a competing at a very high level in some sport i think you might notice some loss of ability, but i dont think it would be as big of a loss as you would expect.
But at the highest level its the small things that make the difference so i guess even a 1% loss of athleticism could change your career for the worse.
You know we lengthen to change the perception, How are you expecting to change any perception of yourself with a measly gain of only 4.5 cm. The way people respond to you will be the same. I guess you will be full of konfidenze so to change your physical reality to mirror your interior beliefs. But life dosnt work like that.
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You know we lengthen to change the perception, How are you expecting to change any perception of yourself with a measly gain of only 4.5 cm. The way people respond to you will be the same. I guess you will be full of konfidenze so to change your physical reality to mirror your interior beliefs. But life dosnt work like that.
I did this mainly to increase my self image, but beyond that, this height increase made me look better in pretty much all clothes i wear, im certain that even if my height gain isnt noticable, it will noticably look better, im sure other people who know me from before will notice this too, even though they probably wont mention it.
However one of the most important things i wanted to get rid off, was the feeling when standing in a group, if you are the shortest guy, even by a small margin, it will be noticed by the others of the group, and when women are checking you out, that instantly becomes a minus and makes it a lot less likely they will pick you over the others.
Finally, since 178 cm is kind of the breakoff to not be considered short for a guy in nordic countries, i really wanted to get rid of the possibility of being referred to as short and having that overall perception. Even if a really tall guy calls me short, majority of people in a group setting, particularly women, wont perceive me as short, just average.
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do you feel average or below average in nordic countries, now you are 179 cm ?
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do you feel average or below average in nordic countries, now you are 179 cm ?
Unlike a lot of other people here around the same height, i do feel average around other men in Sweden, and i even feel tall around women, in vast majority of cases.
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I did this mainly to increase my self image, but beyond that, this height increase made me look better in pretty much all clothes i wear, im certain that even if my height gain isnt noticable, it will noticably look better, im sure other people who know me from before will notice this too, even though they probably wont mention it.
However one of the most important things i wanted to get rid off, was the feeling when standing in a group, if you are the shortest guy, even by a small margin, it will be noticed by the others of the group, and when women are checking you out, that instantly becomes a minus and makes it a lot less likely they will pick you over the others.
Finally, since 178 cm is kind of the breakoff to not be considered short for a guy in nordic countries, i really wanted to get rid of the possibility of being referred to as short and having that overall perception. Even if a really tall guy calls me short, majority of people in a group setting, particularly women, wont perceive me as short, just average.
This is not 2002, if you are under 5'11 you are short for a man no matter what, and not eligable to lead in the eyes of women. You should have lengthened to 5'11 and with normal shoes hit 6'0. Now you dont do that and i strongly belive the reception you will get will be probably the same.
And no if a Superior tall guy calls you out..the jokes on you. because you are still short. But i doubt they will choose height as their tool IF you are in 3 cm shoes. Otherwise you are still a teenage kid in their eyes.
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This is not 2002, if you are under 5'11 you are short for a man no matter what
Current height stats disagree with you.
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This is not 2002, if you are under 5'11 you are short for a man no matter what, and not eligable to lead in the eyes of women. You should have lengthened to 5'11 and with normal shoes hit 6'0. Now you dont do that and i strongly belive the reception you will get will be probably the same.
And no if a Superior tall guy calls you out..the jokes on you. because you are still short. But i doubt they will choose height as their tool IF you are in 3 cm shoes. Otherwise you are still a teenage kid in their eyes.
Most people don't give height a second thought. I know I never did until I realized I wasn't growing much anymore and even now I don't look down on my shorter friends in any other way than just literally. Maybe some women do but 178 isn't really short enough to be a major disadvantage I should know I'm that height and in my last school I almost felt like I could pick and choose whichever girls I liked.
Also the average height hasn't even increased by a centimeter since 2002 though I agree that less than 180 is a little bit on the low side.
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This is not 2002, if you are under 5'11 you are short for a man no matter what, and not eligable to lead in the eyes of women. You should have lengthened to 5'11 and with normal shoes hit 6'0. Now you dont do that and i strongly belive the reception you will get will be probably the same.
And no if a Superior tall guy calls you out..the jokes on you. because you are still short. But i doubt they will choose height as their tool IF you are in 3 cm shoes. Otherwise you are still a teenage kid in their eyes.
Are you retarded? 5'11 is 180,34cm, 179cm is not short, pretty much everywhere in the world. Stop talking nonsense / trolling.
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Current height stats disagree with you.
If i draw a picture of santa and give you facts do you belive it too?
The average teenager is easily 5'10-5'11 easily.
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The average teenager is easily 5'10-5'11 easily.
Maybe in uppercrust white neighborhoods. But we're talking about the world here. The WORLD.
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Maybe in uppercrust white neighborhoods. But we're talking about the world here. The WORLD.
I thought we were talking about scandinavia. that's were Wannabegiant is from.
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Are you retarded? 5'11 is 180,34cm, 179cm is not short, pretty much everywhere in the world. Stop talking nonsense / trolling.
179 no. But 178 Yes..only 4 cm from manlet status..get real man. Not trolling. There is no such thing as "average" for men. When you become aware that is. If you are the sheep of the world then yes i can see your "average" claim to hold. But especially not for us aware of height benefits AND only increasing with every year.
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179 no. But 178 Yes..only 4 cm from manlet status..get real man. Not trolling. There is no such thing as "average" for men. When you become aware that is. If you are the sheep of the world then yes i can see your "average" claim to hold. But especially not for us aware of height benefits AND only increasing with every year.
So you would walk up to a dude who's 178cm and tell him that he's short? Yeah, I don't think you got this right...
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Maybe in uppercrust white neighborhoods. But we're talking about the world here. The WORLD.
What fkin world bro? Like you are gonna visit more than 5 countries in your life. No majority of your life is gonna be in your current country or atleast in a first class country where the heightism is supreme high. And rich kids are getting hgh on a daily basis. So no. Scandinavia, First class europe countries and then lastly America. These are the only places you possibly are gonna visit. So get real.
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If i draw a picture of santa and give you facts do you belive it too?
The average teenager is easily 5'10-5'11 easily
you will only be 180 cm, you will be 1 cm away from the "manlet status" you're describing, so according to you you will still be a manlet since 1 cm is barely noticeable. ::)
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So you would walk up to a dude who's 178cm and tell him that he's short? Yeah, I don't think you got this right...
If i was 186-190 Tall with beautifull women around me and i have got used to privileged status and im a little drunk. Yep i would demean that manlet to make myself look good. You see it everytime you go out. Now that dosnt mean that he will get treated like shorter guys than him. But in the eyes of real tall mean they all the same. Ask a tall guy and he will often claim "shorter guys" are edgier and always wants to start fights with him. And yes he includes 178.
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you will only be 180 cm, you will be 1 cm away from the "manlet status" you're describing, so according to you you will still be a manlet since 1 cm is barely noticeable. ::)
Yep i will be manmore status at 5'11, But at 5'10 i might aswell buy a new car instead and go to hawaii.
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I thought we were talking about scandinavia. that's were Wannabegiant is from.
Okay fine, but even in Scandinavian countries it's still average. I think the stereotype of Scandinavians being big, burly people with horned helmets makes people visualize them as taller than they really are on average.
179 no. But 178 Yes..only 4 cm from manlet status..get real man. Not trolling. There is no such thing as "average" for men. When you become aware that is. If you are the sheep of the world then yes i can see your "average" claim to hold. But especially not for us aware of height benefits AND only increasing with every year.
Lol. "Only" almost a whole two inches from "manlet" status. Two inches makes a big deal. And of course there's such thing as average for men. Average holds the same meaning across the board. It doesn't carry a different definition when referring to male height.
What fkin world bro? Like you are gonna visit more than 5 countries in your life. No majority of your life is gonna be in your current country or atleast in a first class country where the heightism is supreme high. And rich kids are getting hgh on a daily basis. So no. Scandinavia, First class europe countries and then lastly America. These are the only places you possibly are gonna visit. So get real.
I've been to more than five countries. I actually used to live in Copenhagen as well. You're greatly exaggerating the average heights of people because you're stuck on this notion that unless you're 6'5+ life isn't worth it.
If i was 186-190 Tall with beautifull women around me and i have got used to privileged status and im a little drunk. Yep i would demean that manlet to make myself look good. You see it everytime you go out. Now that dosnt mean that he will get treated like shorter guys than him. But in the eyes of real tall mean they all the same. Ask a tall guy and he will often claim "shorter guys" are edgier and always wants to start fights with him. And yes he includes 178.
God damn the insecurity you're projecting is enormous with this.
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179 no. But 178 Yes..only 4 cm from manlet status..get real man. Not trolling. There is no such thing as "average" for men. When you become aware that is. If you are the sheep of the world then yes i can see your "average" claim to hold. But especially not for us aware of height benefits AND only increasing with every year.
Strong troll logic 179 equals tall but 178 is short and what do you mean with "there is no average"?
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If i was 186-190 Tall with beautifull women around me and i have got used to privileged status and im a little drunk. Yep i would demean that manlet to make myself look good. You see it everytime you go out. Now that dosnt mean that he will get treated like shorter guys than him. But in the eyes of real tall mean they all the same. Ask a tall guy and he will often claim "shorter guys" are edgier and always wants to start fights with him. And yes he includes 178.
Ah ok, but you will never get there with this attitude and btw you seem like a pretty unlikable person. Maybe fix that before LL.
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I would never say these things to another guy you dumb fuk. I am clearly talking about HIS persona and how easy his life has been and how easily it is for him to pull out the height card. Jesus you guys focus on a dot instead of the big picture..whatever.
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Slim_tim, I sometimes get the impression that you must be on drugs or mind altering substances while typing at least half of your posts. Just out of curiosity, is this actually the case? No offense intended, by the way.
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Okay fine, but even in Scandinavian countries it's still average. I think the stereotype of Scandinavians being big, burly people with horned helmets makes people visualize them as taller than they really are on average.
Lol. "Only" almost a whole two inches from "manlet" status. Two inches makes a big deal. And of course there's such thing as average for men. Average holds the same meaning across the board. It doesn't carry a different definition when referring to male height.
I've been to more than five countries. I actually used to live in Copenhagen as well. You're greatly exaggerating the average heights of people because you're stuck on this notion that unless you're 6'5+ life isn't worth it.
God damn the insecurity you're projecting is enormous with this.
Ofcourse you have and yet you are still on a leg lengthening forum..njae something dosnt add up here. yes life is obviously worth living no matter what height otherwise we wouldnt have been here still. But the notion that HIS LIFE WILL DRAMATICALLY IMPROVE because he is 4 cm taller than what women would consider the cut off does not make him the social prince that he sought out to belive he was gonna be when he comes back. I might be wrong i hope im wrong.
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I would never say these things to another guy you dumb fuk. I am clearly talking about HIS persona and how easy his life has been and how easily it is for him to pull out the height card. Jesus you guys focus on a dot instead of the big picture..whatever.
But I'm not so sure 178-9 is seen as short or at least not short enough to comment on. I certainly never had anyone mention my height or ridicule me. Although I think I would have gained much more respect if I were 10CM taller.
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Slim_tim, I sometimes get the impression that you must be on drugs or mind altering substances while typing at least half of your posts. Just out of curiosity, is this actually the case? No offense intended, by the way.
Im #Schizophrenia and just tired of being short i guess when it comes down to it. fking waste of time and life. Cant wait until februari...
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But I'm not so sure 178-9 is seen as short or at least not short enough to comment on. I certainly never had anyone mention my height or ridicule me. Although I think I would have gained much more respect if I were 10CM taller.
They dont even have to mention it. You are here on LL forum enough said.
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Im #Schizophrenia and just tired of being short i guess when it comes down to it. f**king waste of time and life. Cant wait until februari...
I'm really sorry to hear that man. I hope there is an understanding psychiatrist that can treat you and someone that can help you through the surgery process. People say it's tough on your resolve and I can only imagine how it would be to go through that with scizophrenia. Just remember it's entirely possible to get better, alot of people have and you will too. Personality disorders are diseases and can be treated as such even if it's a lenghty recovery.
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I'm really sorry to hear that man. I hope there is an understanding psychiatrist that can treat you and someone that can help you through the surgery process. People say it's tough on your resolve and I can only imagine how it would be to go through that with scizophrenia. Just remember it's entirely possible to get better, alot of people have and you will too. Personality disorders are diseases and can be treated as such even if it's a lenghty recovery.
thx man
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Ofcourse you have and yet you are still on a leg lengthening forum..njae something dosnt add up here. yes life is obviously worth living no matter what height otherwise we wouldnt have been here still. But the notion that HIS LIFE WILL DRAMATICALLY IMPROVE because he is 4 cm taller than what women would consider the cut off does not make him the social prince that he sought out to belive he was gonna be when he comes back. I might be wrong i hope im wrong.
Dude you are not thinking clearly and everything you write is pretty much a hyperbole or hysteria, you should get some help for your schizophrenia before you do LL, at least find someone with a phd in that stuff to talk to or something.
I already know my life will dramatically improve at this height since i have already been out several times among people, i dont feel short, i see plenty of guys around my height now, i never feel like i am the shortest.
I never expected to become some kind of celebrity in terms of popularity but i know with my unique and very masculine facial appearance, as well as above average intelligence and athleticism, very strong mental toughness and good social skills, i will be able to become reasonably popular and have a much bigger dating pool. I always knew lots of girls found me interesting but of course the height was a problem since i have a lot of very tall friends. I managed to score with some really good looking girls at my original height, but it will be much easier now.
And i dont care if some women still find my new height too short, those are in the minority and in the end, i really only want one girl eventually, and there is nothing stopping me from getting a girl with my ideal look now.
I mean i started using the dating app tinder, and i have loads of matches with good looking girls there (lots of 7s and 8s, some 9s and maybe a few could be considered 10s even). Now i realize them liking you on tinder doesnt mean they are desperate to have you, but they are interested because of my looks. They dont know anything about my height though, but for majority, 179 cm wont be a problem im sure.
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Im #Schizophrenia and just tired of being short i guess when it comes down to it. f**king waste of time and life. Cant wait until februari...
I don't think any doc should do LL on you. You will go nuts...
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Or become sane again. Guess my height equals my sanity.
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Hey wannabegiant how is your recovery going, do you feel any improvement?
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Hey wannabegiant how is your recovery going, do you feel any improvement?
Hey man, yeah my legs are getting stronger every day, small improvements but i already feel very functional overall, can walk outside on sloping ground with barely any issues, and for long distances too without getting tired or feeling any pain.
i have a meeting with my doctor on november 6, but possibly i can get an x-ray a bit earlier and then set up a operation date. But within 2 weeks from now im pretty much guaranteed to be done.
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I'ts great to hear you're doing better, here's to hoping you will be just as good as before.
I'm planning to do a similar amount of lenghtening so I'm happy to see your progress.
Lycka till!
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could you ask for sedation from dr bagirov? I don't wanna be awake when the epidural comes..
I don't mind to be awake 10-15 mins into the surgery though.
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hi,wannabegiants
u dont want leave photo of your legs??????
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photo of your legs??? ;)
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hi my dear.
can u leave some video of your walking like rgkey..??
please help me my friend?
i am 170 an i want 5cm
but many people say it is just waste money and time and helth!!!!!!!
are they right ????
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I had a video of me walking which i put up some months ago, i could already walk really good by then. I took it down, but you can check in this diary further back and see the comments confirming i was walking good. Its even better now, i have no doubt i will be able to recover almost to my previous condition pre LL if it keeps improving like this, maybe even 100% but it would be hard to measure and know for sure.
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did u pay any extra other than the surgery?
did frame removal cost u anything?
the video u posted it says it's been deleted
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did u pay any extra other than the surgery?
did frame removal cost u anything?
the video u posted it says it's been deleted
I paid for the Visa of course and for the flights. Also i payed for some medicine to bring home during lengthening phase, pretty cheap. Thats it.
Yeah i removed the video because i want to be as anonymous as possible. The comments after my video post confirm i was walking good however, i think thats enough.
i will probably post a video some time after my last frame removal which is tomorrow! I should probably post a real update but i will do that after the surgery :)
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I paid for the Visa of course and for the flights. Also i payed for some medicine to bring home during lengthening phase, pretty cheap. Thats it.
Yeah i removed the video because i want to be as anonymous as possible. The comments after my video post confirm i was walking good however, i think thats enough.
i will probably post a video some time after my last frame removal which is tomorrow! I should probably post a real update but i will do that after the surgery :)
Nice, I also have my frame removal tomorrow :D
Good luck!!
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Nice, I also have my frame removal tomorrow :D
Good luck!!
Haha are you kidding?? thats really cool that we do it the same day, pretty strange actually. I actually thought you where already had both frames removed :p
Good luck to you too!
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Haha are you kidding?? thats really cool that we do it the same day, pretty strange actually. I actually thought you where already had both frames removed :p
Good luck to you too!
It's kinda hard to get an operation date with this doc, he's kinda busy :(
And I had a lot of infections, so I stopped walking so much, so I had a slower consolidation than planned...
But has your doc told you about the risk of the new bone breaking? My doc told me that that could happen, but it's unlikely. I'm still paranoid because of that ;D
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It's kinda hard to get an operation date with this doc, he's kinda busy :(
And I had a lot of infections, so I stopped walking so much, so I had a slower consolidation than planned...
But has your doc told you about the risk of the new bone breaking? My doc told me that that could happen, but it's unlikely. I'm still paranoid because of that ;D
Okey, well you got a good timeframe anyway for doing 6 cm man!
they told me there is no risk of the bone breaking, but i assume if i tried to something crazy like sprinting or jumping to early there would probably be a risk, not going to test it though :P
my left leg with my last frame had slow consolidation on the front, but its almost filled out there too now, one of my docs told me there is no risk of it bending, but the other doc told me its best to walk with a crutch for at least 5 days after surgery because there is a minimal risk it could bend a little otherwise.
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Okey, well you got a good timeframe anyway for doing 6 cm man!
they told me there is no risk of the bone breaking, but i assume if i tried to something crazy like sprinting or jumping there would probably be a risk, not going to test it though :P
my left leg with my last frame had slow consolidation on the front, but its almost filled out there too now, one of my docs told me there is no risk of it bending, but the other doc told me its best to walk with a crutch for at least 5 days after surgery because there is a minimal risk it could bend a little otherwise.
Yeah, I guess sports is a no go for a few months ;D
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Yeah, I guess sports is a no go for a few months ;D
Yeah for sure :)
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@Wannabegiant & 123
Do you think that frames are psychologically and physically easier to cope with during consolidation or is it the same as distraction?
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@Wannabegiant & 123
Do you think that frames are psychologically and physically easier to cope with during consolidation or is it the same as distraction?
It's sucks 24/7, as long as you have to have them, to be honest. The only thing that's positive is when you're allowed to walk freely but even that sucks because pin sites can hurt if you walk a lot (especially the half-wires) and will probably get infected.
So basically it will suck a lot, they will be a real struggle for you psychologically. I don't think I would have done this if I knew how hard it would be. But on the bright side, you will be taller ;D
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It's sucks 24/7, as long as you have to have them, to be honest. The only thing that's positive is when you're allowed to walk freely but even that sucks because pin sites can hurt if you walk a lot (especially the half-wires) and will probably get infected.
So basically it will suck a lot, they will be a real struggle for you psychologically. I don't think I would have done this if I knew how hard it would be. But on the bright side, you will be taller ;D
Man, I'm still contemplating whether to do full externals or just take my chances with LON. So confused :o I may also consider LATP since I'd rather live with larger scars than permanent knee pain. Probably plastic surgery may help after LATP.
The problem is that even for 4.5cm it may take about 6-8 months and social interaction for me is inevitable, despite my desire to be alone. I'm also expected to attend several events next year and having external frames will not help lol.
I can imagine how hard it would be with long frame time since it's quite hard coping with internals! I'm trying my best to hide my LL and till now, no one has suspected my LL. It's the social interaction that I consider to be the main restricting factor and not the pain associated with externals. ATM I think it would be best for me to correct my bow legs first and then do LON or LATP.
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Yeah for sure :)
How are you? Went everything according to plan?
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How are you? Went everything according to plan?
Yeah :) I had the surgery in the morning, and my leg feels good, so amazing to be frame free at last! But il wait and make an update when i can remove the bandage in a few days. Also il use a crutch for probably 5 days just to be safe. But technically this looong wait of being isolated is finally over!
I can finally tell my friends im "coming home" lol!
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@Wannabegiant & 123
Do you think that frames are psychologically and physically easier to cope with during consolidation or is it the same as distraction?
I thought it became significantly easier further into consolidation phase because the legs started to feel less damaged and vulnerable. Eventually the pain went away completely and seeing the x-rays showing solid bone all the way end to end made me feel a lot less scared to walk and move around. My legs also quickly became stronger and looked bigger in this phase which increased my confidence that i was going to heal up just fine. Not having to mess with the screws and stuff anymore is also a great relief.
With all that said, it was still hell for me because even though you can hide Bagirovs frames pretty good under pants, it didnt hide them well enough for me to start seeing my friends, and since the isolation and loneliness is the worst part of LL, and the frames are the source of this, that part was almost as bad obviously during consolidation. Near the end when i could walk almost normal outside i starting taking more walks outside however wearing soft pants to hide the frames.
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video of walking and pics of proportions would be nice
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Awesome you've had your frames removed. It still seems so far away for me considering I can't yet walk around because of the soreness in my legs simply from standing.
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Congratulations!
Time for you to enjoy life now ;D
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hi .my dear please leave a video of your walking like rgkey>
please .
i want to do ll but i fear because of risk .
my height :170
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UPDATE:
Im in Moscow now, at the clinic. Everything went smoothly, 2 hour flight from Sweden, and they picked me up at the airport. The only negative thing was that the traffic is insane here, took about 2 hours to drive to the clinic from the airport i landed on. Supposedly there is another one closer by but i didnt have the option to choose with this time schedule.
The clinic is quite small but feels safe and the personnel are all nice and friendly, very few of them know english though but it was no problem in the end. A translator came and told me how we where gonna proceed, they served me a warm meal and now i can relax and sleep whenever i want, I have my own room with Bed, TV, refrigerator, and the Wifi is pretty good. Toilets are clean and everything looks fresh. No complaints.
Tomorrow I wont be allowed to eat because they are gonna do blood tests and other tests in preparation for the surgery, I will talk to Dr. Bagirov as well and make the payment. Then I will do surgery on saturday and stay about 5 more days, then i will make the decision if i want to stay longer or go home and lengthen. Im leaning on staying a bit longer but since i cant stay for the full lengthening phase anyway because my Visa only lasts until the first of april (my insurance certificate didnt allow for longer), i might stay for ten more days to see if there is any problems, after that i might feel it is safe enough to travel home, then i will come back for a check up in about 2 months.
I took some pics of my room, will upload them soon.
Hi can you please help me?
Where is the clinic at?
My flight is in a weeks' time :)
They gave me the address but I can't find "Krasnodar street".
Apparently its a city outside of Moscow???
But they say its inside moscow...
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https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Krasnodarskaya+ul.,+52к2,+Moskva,+Russia,+109559/@55.675742,37.767773,305m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m7!1m4!3m3!1s0x414ab437addaf969:0xee92264489a0716f!2sKrasnodarskaya+ul.,+55,+Moskva,+Russia,+109559!3b1!3m1!1s0x414ab4378e2e11bf:0x5bb046c038eb13f0 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Krasnodarskaya+ul.,+52к2,+Moskva,+Russia,+109559/@55.675742,37.767773,305m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m7!1m4!3m3!1s0x414ab437addaf969:0xee92264489a0716f!2sKrasnodarskaya+ul.,+55,+Moskva,+Russia,+109559!3b1!3m1!1s0x414ab4378e2e11bf:0x5bb046c038eb13f0)
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thank you! can we stay about 1 week at the clinic?
they said one week but a day or two extra shd be fine right?
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Hi Wannabegiants.
How are you doing?
Cheers, paco.
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Yeah how is the recovery going WNB?
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Hi Wannabegaint, could you give us an update on your recovery. Your last post is more than 3 months old.
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please update WBG! (someone PM him.,..) :'(
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I'm planning for Dr. Bagirov this year (2015) , I hope the price doesn't differ from 6500 euro too much. I'm thinking of 7.5 Cm or less because im only 163 Cm tall and it makes me feel bad everyday. I had studied LL for a year now and it's the money that's holding me back but now I think I'm ready. Is someone else going for Dr. Bagirov?
I'd just E'mailed Anna today hoping for a response .
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I am interested to know what involvement you had with your local Orthopaedic surgeon during this time, did you get him to come out and check on your every few weeks?
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Hello guys, sorry for taking so long to post an update, but i got so busy with life after my frame removal that i tried to forget all about what i had done and about height in general, and it worked, i almost forgot completely about this site.
My heightism was cured for sure, and my life got better all around. In all honesty, this might sound to good to be true but the surgery and the result gave me everything i wanted, At 178-179 cm i feel very confident and that alone made my life so much more exciting, i started working out in the gym for real and was more motivated than ever, its much easier to attract girls now and get one night stands compared to before, and my ability to move is just as good as before surgery. I tried some new sports like wrestling and my career and studies is going much better since im so much happier now and my mind is not drained thinking about height anymore.
It actually seems like i have completely recovered, which is not that strange since i only lengthened around 4,5 cm. I dont feel any pain or aching, not any stiffness. The only thing which hasnt gotten back to 100% is my endurance when running at maximum speed, but im confident this can be improved to 100% as well since i havent really pushed myself in terms of running at all since my surgery.
I can do fast and quick movements just as good as before, and jump just as high if not higher. My balance does not seem to be affected.
Honestly i just randomly stumbled upon this site, it has happened a few times before but i felt i really needed to say some closing words now. I dont intend to post anymore on this site and let every thought about height go away which it almost did already by itself.
I definitely recommend this surgery with Dr Bagirov, just listen carefully to the instructions and be thorough, dont lengthen to much and you will be fine.
Peace!
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Dammit man, I was wondering where you took off!
Sucks that you've decided to be gone for good, but I suppose that's the case for most people. BilateralDamage abandoned us also :(
Great news that you're doing well and can see a noticeable improvement in your quality of life. Wish you all the best going forward. Take care.
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This is such an important post and only proof of full recovery after 4cm. Had been waiting for this for over a year and he comes back with a bang! Utterly delighted with your outcome
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Great news Wannabegiant, this a true recovery with the accompanying athletic ability. Proof of doing a reasonable amount and listening to your doctor can give great results.
All the best for the future.
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Wow. I am so excited. I was considering bagirov , but I was afraid of the complications, you have just proved the contrary
I am also considering the same amount, I hope I will be as successful as you
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endo... then take a look at this pm I received from a current Bagirov patient
I'll screenshot it if asked for proof
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hey man ive read your Diary and i have a very simmilar things that u had ive dont my op with dr bagirov ,6 month ago and still cannot walk without walker i really regret having this op with him he is completely useless after surgery only Fahri helps me with questions but hes also usless as he doesnt know the answers to my problems , is there any way that we could talk through whatsapp , i am from london by the way +44751xxxxxxx
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hi bro
can we talk together ?and you give me some information about this doctor ?i want to do this surgery in 4 months..and i fear ,can we communication together? and help me?????? :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :-\
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Hi could you please forward the detail information of the clinic of Dr. Bagirov in Moscow. address tel number and web site if any ?
Thank you
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Hi could you please forward the detail information of the clinic of Dr. Bagirov in Moscow. address tel number and web site if any ?
Thank you
He's bad. Stay away from him.
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Why do you think Bagirov is a bad choice?
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He is not a bad choice at all