Limb Lengthening Forum
Community Hangout => Off Topic => Topic started by: noname on March 27, 2016, 12:08:10 AM
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i honestly think the best starting height range is 5'7-5'10. with a starting height in this range you are able to lose your height insecurity since you can get an average and maybe even a tall height after the surgery. what do yall think about it?
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anyone who is 175 or above considering doing this is a nutcase
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anyone who is 175 or above considering doing this is a nutcase
Agree 100%
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wrong we are ALL nutcases here - at any height! coming from a guy above 175cm ;)
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The fact that we've normalized the idea of doing this without much of a second thought, that is nutty.
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The fact that we've normalized the idea of doing this without much of a second thought, that is nutty.
Like having a boob job done ;D
To topic: I think the most benefiting starting height is between 160 and 165cm. Doing LL will bring you from "too short" to the range of "short".
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Like having a boob job done ;D
To topic: I think the most benefiting starting height is between 160 and 165cm. Doing LL will bring you from "too short" to the range of "short".
I tend to agree with this.
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for me is 160 - 169,
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There isnt a "best starting height"... It's not a race.... 6cm gain is a 6cm gain...
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anyone who is 175 or above considering doing this is a nutcase
And one who is 172, just 3 cm before your glorious benchmark, is perfectly normal ? :D
This is utter bull . Not the absolute height but rather the environment and the heights of the people around should be the decisive factor. What good is it for me if I am 180 and everyone is around me is 185 and 75% of the females around me are taller than me with heels ?
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And one who is 172, just 3 cm before your glorious benchmark, is perfectly normal ? :D
This is utter bullcrap. Not the absolute height but rather the environment and the heights of the people around should be the decisive factor. What good is it for me if I am 180 and everyone is around me is 185 and 75% of the females around me are taller than me with heels ?
5'9 was actually the upper limit height for Paley before (when he used externals) and I also think Rozbruch. Of course it has to do with enviroment... But being 175+ you are somewhat average in most places in europe... 75% of females around you taller with heels? Dont date a woman who wears 4inch heels...
In the end it doesnt matter... I dont believe you will actually do it at your height
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I'm probably gonna annoy a lot of you with my constant push back on this surgery while I figure out if this is something I want to do, but I think it is very important that there are opposing voices. I'm not against LL, do whatever you want guys. But I hate to see men get this surgery and regret it, especially if they are not very short to start with.
My psychologist and I spoke about "height neurosis", which he says is a made up term (coined by Dr. Paley actually) that should be either categorized as an "inferiority complex" or "narcissistic personality disorder" depending on the person.
Anyway, he made the point of guy's in the 5'5+ range and quality of life. He pointed out that many, many men have very good lives at those heights. He said that he has seen the amount of people coming in for what he calls "narrative script psychosis" problems explode over the last 20 years or so. That is where people are basing their self worth and their own quality of life perceptions on the narrative script of society, specifically the voices on the internet.
In other words, a 5'7-5'8 guy like myself ASSUMES he is screwed because the internet says I am. I can tell you for a fact that the internet is a big part of my height neurosis. I would guess others here are the same.
My shrink asked me to keep a log of all the times that height actually got in my way, IN REAL LIFE. He asked me to go back as far as I could remember and back date my log. I came up with 4 instances in real life, the rest are voices from the internet and other media outlets.
I would also say that if you are 5'6-5'9 and have NOT been called short by a women, you are not talking to enough women!
Think about it guys...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narrative_psychology
Edit: Spelling...again
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anyone who is 175 or above considering doing this is a nutcase
Following this logic I assume you will stop lengthening once you hit 175cm?
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Following this logic I assume you will stop lengthening once you hit 175cm?
Maybe. Depends on my proportions. It will either be 175 (minimum) or 177 (maximum)
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I'm probably gonna annoy a lot of you with my constant push back on this surgery while I figure out if this is something I want to do, but I think it is very important that there are opposing voices. I'm not against LL, do whatever you want guys. But I hate to see men get this surgery and regret it, especially if they are not very short to start with.
My psychologist and I spoke about "height neurosis", which he says is a made up term (coined by Dr. Paley actually) that should be either categorized as an "inferiority complex" or "narcissistic personality disorder" depending on the person.
Anyway, he made the point of guy's in the 5'5+ range and quality of life. He pointed out that many, many men have very good lives at those heights. He said that he has seen the amount of people coming in for what he calls "narrative script psychosis" problems explode over the last 20 years or so. That is where people are basing their self worth and their own quality of life perceptions on the narrative script of society, specifically the voices on the internet.
In other words, a 5'7-5'8 guy like myself ASSUMES he is screwed because the internet says I am. I can tell you for a fact that the internet is a big part of my height neurosis. I would guess others here are the same.
My shrink asked me to keep a log of all the times that height actually got in my way, IN REAL LIFE. He asked me to go back as far as I could remember and back date my log. I came up with 4 instances in real life, the rest are voices from the internet and other media outlets.
I would also say that if you are 5'6-5'9 and have NOT been called short by a women, you are not talking to enough women!
Think about it guys...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narrative_psychology
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This. 100 times this...
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This. 100 times this...
Thanks Alu.
You did LL, no? 5'4 to 5'7? Or am I confusing people?
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Thanks Alu.
You did LL, no? 5'4 to 5'7? Or am I confusing people?
No, but that's my plan. 8 CM is all I need. Probably with Paley or Guichet.
I'm just here to support those who have done it/are doing it at the moment. And try to fight the horrendous generalizations made in these forums.
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No, but that's my plan. 8 CM is all I need. Probably with Paley or Guichet.
I'm just here to support those who have done it/are doing it at the moment. And try to fight the horrendous generalizations made in these forums.
You sure you want to do this with femurs?
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You sure you want to do this with femurs?
Nope. My plan still is to 4 + 4. Sure it's double the risk, but I'd prefer to ensure the best possible post-LL recovery. Lengthening less in each segment ensures that; especially if you don't even go over 5 CM. At the same time if I think my proportions can handle it (honestly though I don't lol) I could lengthen a bit more in my femurs for like 5 or 6 cm (definitely won't touch my tibia).
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Perhaps I sound like a dck if I say that, but I honestly believe that you'd get the most out of LL if you start at around 177-179. Height is distributed like a bell curve and 180 stands right in the middle, so obviously the majority of (young) males are between 177-183. If you start at 178 and only add 4cm's you will surpass a lot of guys heightwise. The number of (young) ppl between 160-175 is a lot lower than between 178-183.
Starting of taller will also allow you to lengthen more safely because longer segments will result in a larger "safe zone" of around 15% of the bone's original length.
Being taller to begin with makes the whole process safer, easier when it comes to proportions and you overtake the highest number of guys.
LL is probably less of a necessity at that height so the time and money you need might be better invested elsewhere.
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Perhaps I sound like a dck if I say that, but I honestly believe that you'd get the most out of LL if you start at around 177-179. Height is distributed like a bell curve and 180 stands right in the middle, so obviously the majority of (young) males are between 177-183. If you start at 178 and only add 4cm's you will surpass a lot of guys heightwise. The number of (young) ppl between 160-175 is a lot lower than between 178-183.
Starting of taller will also allow you to lengthen more safely because longer segments will result in a larger "safe zone" of around 15% of the bone's original length.
Being taller to begin with makes the whole process safer, easier when it comes to proportions and you overtake the highest number of guys.
LL is probably less of a necessity at that height so the time and money you need might be better invested elsewhere.
Depends what your goal is you know... Being one of the tallest guys? Yes, no doubt about your assertion. But it depends where the middle of the bell curve is (In my case it's between 175-177.. By my case my mean my etnicity and where I live).
In terms of "gains" from society, I believe (no one has to agree) that the best gain is becoming average from short. Going from super short to short is not such a great gain. Going from average to tall is a better gain. But going from short to average is the biggest gain.
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Perhaps I sound like a dck if I say that, but I honestly believe that you'd get the most out of LL if you start at around 177-179. Height is distributed like a bell curve and 180 stands right in the middle, so obviously the majority of (young) males are between 177-183. If you start at 178 and only add 4cm's you will surpass a lot of guys heightwise. The number of (young) ppl between 160-175 is a lot lower than between 178-183.
Starting of taller will also allow you to lengthen more safely because longer segments will result in a larger "safe zone" of around 15% of the bone's original length.
Being taller to begin with makes the whole process safer, easier when it comes to proportions and you overtake the highest number of guys.
LL is probably less of a necessity at that height so the time and money you need might be better invested elsewhere.
Perhaps I sound like a dck if I say this but,
Oy vai.
Does anyone here actually know how to use google?
In the USA, men aged 19-29, 174 is the 25th percentile, and 182 is the 75th percentile. So there is literally *exactly* as many 174 or less guys as there are the 182 or more guys...and that is in your "young" guy age bracket.
In your example you say, "the majority of (young) males are between 177-183", which is NOT correct. You go from approx the 50th percentile to approx the 75th percentile. That is 25% of men, which is the same as the lower 25% or the top 25%, it is still 25%.
Again, using CDC information and only in your precious "young" range of 19-29 year old men.
I realize I am a math major, but holy heck guys, basic math here.
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I was refering to Europe (central and northern europe), were the avere IS 180, just use wikipedia to check it.
180-182 is the average so 50% are either the same height or taller and 50% are either the same height or shorter, so my math was correct I guess.
No offense but just I love the fact that most americans automatically assume that only their country is the subject of the debate ;D.
Edit:grammar
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I was refering to Europe (central and or northern europe), were the avere IS 180, just use wikipedia to check it.
180-182 is the average so 50% are either the same height or taller and 50% are either the same height or shorter, so my math was correct I guess.
No offense but just I love the fact that most americans automatically assume that only their country is the subject of the debate ;D.
I used the US because I had the figures ready and the average is only 2cm different. Most white western countries have almost the exact same averages.
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LL is probably less of a necessity at that height so the time and money you need might be better invested elsewhere.
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does this mean that you won't ever lengthen yourself? youre 179 cm. arent you?
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LL is probably less of a necessity at that height so the time and money you need might be better invested elsewhere.
does this mean that you won't ever lengthen yourself? youre 179 cm. arent you?
I haven't decided yet, perhaps I will do LL but I'm still not sure if it's really worth it. I'll definetly wait for Tibike's diary with Dr. Catagni. 179 is my morning height so I'm rather 178 during the day.
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I haven't decided yet, perhaps I will do LL but I'm still not sure if it's really worth it. I'll definetly wait for Tibike's diary with Dr. Catagni. 179 is my morning height so I'm rather 178 during the day.
My diary will be like Lumier's dairy. I will update every 10-20 days or so. If anything special (complications) happen I will also update.
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I haven't decided yet, perhaps I will do LL but I'm still not sure if it's really worth it. I'll definetly wait for Tibike's diary with Dr. Catagni. 179 is my morning height so I'm rather 178 during the day.
if you really want it then just do it. follow your dreams. if you wanna be taller then just get taller
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I haven't decided yet, perhaps I will do LL but I'm still not sure if it's really worth it. I'll definetly wait for Tibike's diary with Dr. Catagni. 179 is my morning height so I'm rather 178 during the day.
Btw, I think that Catagni has an upper limit of starting height (It's either 175 or 177 from what I have heard.. Never asked him). Maybe you should send him an e-mail just to know if you can do this with him (Not that you plan to do this with him, but just in order to know if he is even an option)
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I have to agree with the OP for the most part. What are the true benefits of the surgery? (My post is from a U.S. point of view where the average height is 177cm.) Both shorter and average height guys will gain from this surgery but we can break down some components to see who benefits more.
-If a guy starting at 160cm goes to 167cm feels much better about himself afterwards, is he happier about his height than the guy starting at 167cm and wants to be 175cm? If so, then there is certainly a psychological aspect to the surgery and height dysphoria going away is probably not tied too closely to starting height. I'd say this is a wash for both groups.
-In terms of gaining physical stature/presence, whatever you want to call it.. I don't think there is going to be a real benefit unless you pass the 180cm mark. Obviously 170cm is not the same as 160cm, but neither height stands out in a crowd. So one point for the average/taller guys getting the surgery.
-For getting girls I think it's also a matter of passing a threshold. This one is in the same ballpark as the previous point. In online dating girls that filter on height are generally going to set their filters to even numbers like 180cm or 6'0", so if you're 165cm going to 172cm it's not going to help you pass that threshold, but going from 173cm to 180cm certainly could. So another point for the average/taller guys.
-Also, as others mentioned you'll get the biggest percentile point gain from LL when you are a bit below the average. Going from 5'5" to 5'8" you'll leapfrog over ~22% of guys. Going from 5'8" to 5'11" you'll leapfrog over ~42% of guys! Almost double the gain for the same 3 inch height increase. Another reason why average/taller guys get more benefit from LL.
So based on my points above, I think reaching or passing the average will actually yield more benefits than going from really short to just short. But that doesn't mean there are no benefits for really short guys to do it. If it makes you feel better and you think the loss of money and health is worth it then by all means go for it. I'm not certainly LL would take me over the average but I'm still considering it.
With that said, for guys over 175cm who want to do the surgery I would seriously consider moving the the U.S. (or Canada if you are more liberal) Contrary to the doomsday prophecies the mainstream media preaches, it's actually really good here if you have the skills to make a decent living. Some of the best opportunities are here for those who work both hard and smart. Besides, if you're doing the surgery you'll probably want to move anyway to avoid people you know finding out, so you might as well just move somewhere shorter and use the money you saved for surgery to improve yourself in other ways!
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Like having a boob job done ;D
To topic: I think the most benefiting starting height is between 160 and 165cm. Doing LL will bring you from "too short" to the range of "short".
Lol how could short be beneficial for you? 5'7 to 5'10 will make you from short to average and the whole point of this surgery is to get rid of height discrimination so I think that is 5'6-5'8 is indeed the best range for LL candidates.
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In other words, a 5'7-5'8 guy like myself ASSUMES he is screwed because the internet says I am. I can tell you for a fact that the internet is a big part of my height neurosis. I would guess others here are the same.
I can safely say that this is not the case for me. I am 41 years old already. And my feeling of being too small (I am 174.5 cm (around 5 feet 8.6 inches ) started way before the internet.
I never had problems finding pretty girls who wanted to be my girlfriend. I was having longer relationships with a japanese model and a german actress, both amazingly pretty (but also on the small side :D ). My current girlfriend is 1.79 tall, and also quite beautiful, imo. I may not be even possess average height, but I guess I am handsome enough and my social circle and status is quite okayish.
It's just that in this country where I am from, you are "that short guy" with 174.5 cm, and I am so tired of being this until the rest of my life.
I know that being 180cm would just solve all of this.
It's crazy if you look at what a short amount of length 5.5 or 6 cm actually is. But in your mind it's like a Mount Everest sized difference.
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5'6-5'9.
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I can't tell you that
But what I can probably tell you is the LEAST satisfying
That is going from 5'8 to 5'10, or even 5'9 to 5'11
I am 5'8 right now and I think it is not a good height to start with.
I would never take the risk to get more than 6cm. So basically 5'10 or 5'10.5 is what I can aim for.
Even at that height, you need to be exceptional at other things to have a good dating life
Might as well spend my time becoming exceptional as a 5'8 man, and save myself the money/time/risk etc
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Bro is this some kind of a race to u🙄..do u even think before u write..i mean srsly..overtake most guys..whtever man🥴....most of the guys here are suffering from body dysmorphia tht's what they wanna fix..they wanna fix tht not play in race as urself..i think ur probably 177 to 183 tht's why ur answer is so biased....and i know my answer is not related to the topic but i think ppl shld be more serious abt this surgery definitely not a race thing....overtake most guys🥴..we are all here to feel normal not to overtake anyone.
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Then ur a dumb bro....u can definitely lengthen to a safe femur limit of 8cm and be above 180.
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5'5-5'8 ( 1m65-1m73)
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-In terms of gaining physical stature/presence, whatever you want to call it.. I don't think there is going to be a real benefit unless you pass the 180cm mark. Obviously 170cm is not the same as 160cm, but neither height stands out in a crowd. So one point for the average/taller guys getting the surgery.
-For getting girls I think it's also a matter of passing a threshold. This one is in the same ballpark as the previous point. In online dating girls that filter on height are generally going to set their filters to even numbers like 180cm or 6'0", so if you're 165cm going to 172cm it's not going to help you pass that threshold, but going from 173cm to 180cm certainly could. So another point for the average/taller guys.
-Also, as others mentioned you'll get the biggest percentile point gain from LL when you are a bit below the average. Going from 5'5" to 5'8" you'll leapfrog over ~22% of guys. Going from 5'8" to 5'11" you'll leapfrog over ~42% of guys! Almost double the gain for the same 3 inch height increase. Another reason why average/taller guys get more benefit from LL.
Got a few points,
1. Pretty sure 160cm does stand out in a crowd of guys.
2. Most girls don't actually demand 6ft, most just want their husband/boyfriend to be taller than them, and height definitely adds, even if you never reach 180cm/6ft.
3. Sure 5'8" to 5'11" covers 42% of guys, but 5'5" to 5'8" probably covers an even higher percentage of girls. So you probably increased your dating pool by almost double if you were already attractive and likeable.
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5'7" (170 cm) to 5'10" (178 cm)
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Got a few points,
1. Pretty sure 160cm does stand out in a crowd of guys.
2. Most girls don't actually demand 6ft, most just want their husband/boyfriend to be taller than them, and height definitely adds, even if you never reach 180cm/6ft.
3. Sure 5'8" to 5'11" covers 42% of guys, but 5'5" to 5'8" probably covers an even higher percentage of girls. So you probably increased your dating pool by almost double if you were already attractive and likeable.
I wouldn't date most girls. I want to date the the ones who are pickier and have the right to be so.