Limb Lengthening Forum
Community Hangout => Off Topic => Topic started by: TIBIKE200 on April 03, 2016, 02:41:44 PM
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The fear is too big. Since the booking of the surgery I had sleepness nights with alot of anxieity. It's not worth the risks in my height. My life was good till now and it will be afterwards. Dont want to risk my life in order to fulfil a dream which might be false. A dream which was created by the internet which had nothing to do with real life.
I have lived life to it's fullest with my 5'7 (171cm) till now, and there is no reason I wouldnt be able to continue to do so.
As I told you before I have spoken with Israeli docs. There is a reason why this procedure is forbidden in Israel to people of my height. Again, the risks are too big. When I calculate risk/gain ratio, it's simply not worth it.
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Speaking from experience, 5'7 is not very short at all.
Good luck man! (now block the forum on your devices!)
I'm glad you recognize how much part the internet had in all of this, lots of other guys here need to realize that too.
Now go drink, smoke, f*ck, and be merry!
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The fear is too big. Since the booking of the surgery I had sleepness nights with alot of anxieity. It's not worth the risks in my height. My life was good till now and it will be afterwards. Dont want to risk my life in order to fulfil a dream which might be false. A dream which was created by the internet which had nothing to do with real life.
I have lived life to it's fullest with my 5'7 (171cm) till now, and there is no reason I wouldnt be able to continue to do so.
As I told you before I have spoken with Israeli docs. There is a reason why this procedure is forbidden in Israel to people of my height. Again, the risks are too big. When I calculate risk/gain ratio, it's simply not worth it.
From a fellow 5'7 guy, greatest respect for your decision if you have weighted the pros and cons (and nothing makes me think you haven't). I'm a bit curious about what the Israeli docs told you. I mean, we all know that most doctors are against cosmetic LL, but you said "dont want to risk my life in order to fulfil a dream..." Did they tell you about any death related to this surgery?
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Congratulation! This is certainly the best option. Accept your height and be happy!
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From a fellow 5'7 guy, greatest respect for your decision if you have weighted the pros and cons (and nothing makes me think you haven't). I'm a bit curious about what the Israeli docs told you. I mean, we all know that most doctors are against cosmetic LL, but you said "dont want to risk my life in order to fulfil a dream..." Did they tell you about any death related to this surgery?
By life I meant becoming crippled or not walking normally. I meant risking the life I have now
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nice, I hope thos who are 170 cm and above realize they are not short
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Very few if any become crippled, but recovery time to just walk nornally can be years. it's just not worth it
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I know this is very scary..I would probably freak out too.But you have the oppurtunity to do it and move on.If you cancel it now it will be somewhere in your mind for many years probably.(im not saying you cant live a life without thinking about your height,of course you can.But this is very hard to accomplish,atleast it is hard for me.)
Im not saying do it no matter what.
Im just trying to say think again and again before canceling.
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I know this is very scary..I would probably freak out too.But you have the oppurtunity to do it and move on.If you cancel it now it will be somewhere in your mind for many years probably.(im not saying you cant live a life without thinking about your height,of course you can.But this is very hard to accomplish,atleast it is hard for me.)
Im not saying do it no matter what.
Im just trying to say think again and again before canceling.
Catagni just answered me about the cancellation: "Ok, you made the right decision. You can be happy with life without a few more inssignificant cms"
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I think you made a right decision given your height but I'm curious because I don't think it's just a coincidence that you called it off a day after some guy pricess started vaguely claiming that your doctor ruined his life. My hunch is that you talked to him on pm and he gave you some details that scared you off. Can you share what he told you.
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I think you made a right decision given your height but I'm curious because I don't think it's just a coincidence that you called it off a day after some guy pricess started vaguely claiming that your doctor ruined his life. My hunch is that you talked to him on pm and he gave you some details that scared you off. Can you share what he told you.
He didnt pm me anything. I had my doubts the second I booked the surgery. I will admit that his posts didnt help. But I had alot of "WTF I am doing" moments. There is too much to lose in this (for me) than there is to gain.
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He didnt pm me anything. I had my doubts the second I booked the surgery. I will admit that his posts didnt help. But I had alot of "WTF I am doing" moments. There is too much to lose in this (for me) than there is to gain.
But you were so active on this forum with a very positive attitude about this procedure.What happened exactly?What was the triger for cnceling?
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But you were so active on this forum with a very positive attitude about this procedure.What happened exactly?What was the triger for cnceling?
I had a positive attitude on the forum yes. But the guys I have spoken with privately on FB (I added some forum members via PM to my FB) know my doubts. I did not sell anything. I still do not believe that this procedure is as dangerous as we wanna think. But once you are almost doing it, you can really reflect. I had alot of doubts. I got to the conclusion that even if the risk is 1%, it's still 1% highier than what I can accept to risk.
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Great choice
I totally understand your doubts and fears, and if you feel this may little beneficiaries face the risks you are right
Internet has created a acerbic cult of height
Internet give importance to things that do not have
Good luck
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I think 5"7' is a great height and that your are in the lower end of the green zone :)
In fact, I wish I was as tall as you are already (my realistic goal is 169-170cm).
My first surgery is still 9-10 month away and to be honest, I've been crapping my pants since I decided to do LL.
Fear is men's inner daemon. So, just make really sure that it won't haunt you in the future because you were too afraid to do CLL while you could.
I won't wish you good luck for living your life at your current height as I know that you won't need any ;)
But I wish you inner peace with yourself and that you NEVER ever look back.
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yes chris, your right, if i am 5 7, i wouldn't do it. i will lengthen to 5 7 170cm then call it quit
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Too bad, OP. I would have liked to hear your experience with Catagni. I never really considered him until I saw you going for him.
But if you were not so convinced that even a 1% chance could sway you away from it, it wasn't right for you.
You need to be prepared for at least a 5-10% significant complication risk IMO going into this.
If it's not so important to you to tolerate that, then it's not the right decision.
I think leg lengthening surgery is actually pretty low risk in the scheme of things if done with a good surgeon. It's more just difficult due to the time and energy it takes. For example, I think jaw surgery which I've had is much higher risk and much more difficult/dangerous a surgery.
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Catagni called my mom this morning (We exchanged numbers after the consultation).
To sum it up, he said to her that my decision was the wisest decision I could have, and that he just waited for me to arrive to it by myself because in the end he would have told me that he refuse to operate on me.
Only LL surgeon that is not a salesman (which explains why he is not so well known around here even though he is the guy that brought this LL thing to the west from Russia), a true doctor. I applaud this man.
A closing statemant before my definitive departure from this forum and height complex:
I am just going to quote what he told my mom on the phone. "Why the hell did he wanna put himself through that? He is completely normal and *alot of nice things about me*. This height complex is not because of height... It's something else. When one has negative feelings, it is easy to find something to blame for. Usually that thing is something physical. This height insecurity in men of his height (and even 165 and up) and up is just like anorexia in women. It's easy to blame height because it is the only physical charateristic that is measurable in numbers (unlike facial aesthetics or muscularity). Usually the pain comes from something else. The height gain won't solve anything because his height is not a problem. At the consultation I saw a man with high self esteem. If he would have been silent and super shy, I could understand that maybe there is a problem of self esteem and maybe this thing would help. But it was not the case for him."
So to all people of little below average to aeverage and tall, get a grip of yourselves.
This is me saying goodbye and good luck to all
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Congratulations on reaching the decision to avoid this surgery, TIBIKE.
I think Dr Catagni's advice is good for certain cases, such as when the starting height is average or just under, but perhaps his advice doesn't really apply to those with a significantly shorter starting height. I remember trying to just be more confident, walk around faking self-esteem until it turned into real self-esteem, despite how much I thought about height. But I remember being "triggered" one night in a burger joint when a tourist family from somewhere in Europe started snickering at how little the man in front of them was. Turned around and saw that they were snickering at me. I felt so miserable for the longest time afterward that I knew there was no going back and it was do the surgery or bust.
In brief, if someone has a starting height well below average, I believe cosmetic lengthening has real benefit in terms of others treating that person better.
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Congratulations on reaching the decision to avoid this surgery, TIBIKE.
I think Dr Catagni's advice is good for certain cases, such as when the starting height is average or just under, but perhaps his advice doesn't really apply to those with a significantly shorter starting height. I remember trying to just be more confident, walk around faking self-esteem until it turned into real self-esteem, despite how much I thought about height. But I remember being "triggered" one night in a burger joint when a tourist family from somewhere in Europe started snickering at how little the man in front of them was. Turned around and saw that they were snickering at me. I felt so miserable for the longest time afterward that I knew there was no going back and it was do the surgery or bust.
In brief, if someone has a starting height well below average, I believe cosmetic lengthening has real benefit in terms of others treating you better.
Indeed it does. I said it in the end "near average, average and tall". He said I was one of the tallest patients he ever saw entering his office. Everything I have said on this forum regarding height was only from my perspective. I never said that people shorter than me should feel the same as me.
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Indeed it does. I said it in the end "near average, average and tall". He said I was one of the tallest patients he ever saw entering his office. Everything I have said on this forum regarding height was only from my perspective. I never said that people shorter than me should feel the same as me.
Ah, missed that last line.
Your response makes me wish I had asked my surgeon what height the tallest cosmetic patient of his was.
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I'm proud of you. Do yourself a favor and never come back to these forums again. And I mean that in the nicest way possible. I made the same decision has you did 4 years ago, and my mistake was coming back to the forums again, which fueled my desire for LL more.
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good on you brother, you've made the right choice
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Hallelujah! Congratulations and good luck.
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OP, good for you. If you can get on with your life and live and be happy without this surgery, you have my utmost respect. I think you are 5'7" right? That's sort of a borderline height, but not sure I would have thought to do LL if I were 5'7" to start with (I was 166). I tried to not want to do this, but I was at a height where it was a virtual necessity. Now at 5'8", I feel much better, but the problem with this surgery is that it f*cks with your mind in a lot of ways. Once you "go there" and start treating height as a "changeable" thing, you start wanting more. I still believe I'd be fully satisfied at 5'9" and still want a second surgery...but I'm trying to at least enjoy the next year or so at my current height.
Like DIFM said, get off the forums. If you hang around here (I need to leave this forum too), you'll never shake this off your mind, and will eventually end up wanting LL all over again.
Good luck to you.
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TIBIKE, have you maintained any of your yoga gains? We should still look for other methods to increase height. Even if it's just 1-3cm.
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Catagni called my mom this morning (We exchanged numbers after the consultation).
To sum it up, he said to her that my decision was the wisest decision I could have, and that he just waited for me to arrive to it by myself because in the end he would have told me that he refuse to operate on me.
Only LL surgeon that is not a salesman (which explains why he is not so well known around here even though he is the guy that brought this LL thing to the west from Russia), a true doctor. I applaud this man.
A closing statemant before my definitive departure from this forum and height complex:
I am just going to quote what he told my mom on the phone. "Why the hell did he wanna put himself through that? He is completely normal and *alot of nice things about me*. This height complex is not because of height... It's something else. When one has negative feelings, it is easy to find something to blame for. Usually that thing is something physical. This height insecurity in men of his height (and even 165 and up) and up is just like anorexia in women. It's easy to blame height because it is the only physical charateristic that is measurable in numbers (unlike facial aesthetics or muscularity). Usually the pain comes from something else. The height gain won't solve anything because his height is not a problem. At the consultation I saw a man with high self esteem. If he would have been silent and super shy, I could understand that maybe there is a problem of self esteem and maybe this thing would help. But it was not the case for him."
So to all people of little below average to aeverage and tall, get a grip of yourselves.
This is me saying goodbye and good luck to all
So I'm clear here. Was he calling for you and got your mom b/c you live with your mom? Or you gave the Dr. your mom's # and signed a medical information release form (both perhaps as she was emergency contact/support) and after you canceled he felt like calling you mom to congratulate her? Had he spoke with your mom previously or was he calling her for the first time to discuss how great you were and how great your decision to not have the surgery was? How close was the doctor with your mom? They talk weekly?
Ok, I started nicely and slipped into snarky, but I really find it hard to believe that the doctor called your mom to chat it up and celebrate your personal medical issues and decision. It's not impossible at all, but it sounds bizarre to me. I confess I want LL which likely biases my thinking.
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So I'm clear here. Was he calling for you and got your mom b/c you live with your mom? Or you gave the Dr. your mom's # and signed a medical information release form (both perhaps as she was emergency contact/support) and after you canceled he felt like calling you mom to congratulate her? Had he spoke with your mom previously or was he calling her for the first time to discuss how great you were and how great your decision to not have the surgery was? How close was the doctor with your mom? They talk weekly?
Ok, I started nicely and slipped into snarky, but I really find it hard to believe that the doctor called your mom to chat it up and celebrate your personal medical issues and decision. It's not impossible at all, but it sounds bizarre to me. I confess I want LL which likely biases my thinking.
He is still in school. I guess Catagni considered his mom to be the actual decision maker and wanna confirm.
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Oh, lol, guess he would be living with his parents then. Thx.
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TBike was never really enthusiastic about this LL thing. Even if he doesnt get LL he'll still probably still feel better that this LL exists. Funny thing is that once you realize height is a changeable thing it becomes less important.
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Funny thing is that once you realize height is a changeable thing it becomes less important.
Or it becomes the only reason why you haven't committed suicide yet...
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TIBIKE, have you maintained any of your yoga gains? We should still look for other methods to increase height. Even if it's just 1-3cm.
I too am curious if your YOGA gains are still there.
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Tibike took a good decision. People who decide not to legnthen might continue to have height neurosis but believe me its much worse when people regret having had the surgery. I have met many of these people. Their situation is so bad (permanent sequels, multiple surgeries) that they regret it a lot.
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"Met", LLuser1? What, *actually* met, as in met, in person? How many? Who were they then? Who, when, & why was there a problem with the CLL's? Are you able to give more detailed information?
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I met some patients in person during my consultation with various doctors and visiting guesthouses in Germany, Spain and the USA. I also met people who talked to me about other people. I've exchanged PMs and emails with many. Read my posts, please. I know a lot about this LL business.
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I met some patients in person during my consultation with various doctors and visiting guesthouses in Germany, Spain and the USA. I also met people who talked to me about other people. I've exchanged PMs and emails with many. Read my posts, please. I know a lot about this LL business.
These people went with bottom of the barrel doctors to save money. Not the wisest move when you are gambling with your legs.
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It's true most of them went with unexperienced and second-class doctors.
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thats all good and cheerful to say that you are calling the surgery off. But think about it, a years (maybe even months) into the future, when you see tall, good looking men with hot girls in their arms will you still be happy with being 5'7? you will most likely reconsider your decision and that I can bet on.
Hell, at 5'8 I feel like a midget walking in NYC currently.
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thats all good and cheerful to say that you are calling the surgery off. But think about it, a years (maybe even months) into the future, when you see tall, good looking men with hot girls in their arms will you still be happy with being 5'7? you will most likely reconsider your decision and that I can bet on.
Hell, at 5'8 I feel like a midget walking in NYC currently.
Seem's like a skewed, crude, and narrow perspective honestly lol.
I never go to respond OP for his decision. TIBIKE, you and I had some fights and scuffes here and there over the nature of LL. I respected your opinion however, even though I did disagree primarily on how LL is treated in this community as the definitive and perfect end to the means. When in truth, due to the nature of how risky it is at the moment, it hardly is. It seems to came to sort of realize that, but of course times do change. I wouldn't hold it against you if you do ultimately decide to do it after all (I'm at least hopefully new technological developments years in advance will either make LL more of a given success or at least provide an alternative; expect it to cost a lot though).
At the time being though, through my own time away from the forum and hanging out with some of friends I've come realize that some of the stupid notions I had in my head just quite weren't true. Hopefully you've realized that as well and/or are beginning too. In any case, good luck man. Be happy and do what you think you need to do.
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Funny thing is that once you realize height is a changeable thing it becomes less important.
This is actually very true, take it from a 5'2 guy. Not significantly less important though..at least in my case.
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Seem's like a skewed, crude, and narrow perspective honestly lol.
I never go to respond OP for his decision. TIBIKE, you and I had some fights and scuffes here and there over the nature of LL. I respected your opinion however, even though I did disagree primarily on how LL is treated in this community as the definitive and perfect end to the means. When in truth, due to the nature of how risky it is at the moment, it hardly is. It seems to came to sort of realize that, but of course times do change. I wouldn't hold it against you if you do ultimately decide to do it after all (I'm at least hopefully new technological developments years in advance will either make LL more of a given success or at least provide an alternative; expect it to cost a lot though).
At the time being though, through my own time away from the forum and hanging out with some of friends I've come realize that some of the stupid notions I had in my head just quite weren't true. Hopefully you've realized that as well and/or are beginning too. In any case, good luck man. Be happy and do what you think you need to do.
at 5'8 I know its not in my head, an attractive girl will choose the taller guy 7/10 times barring all else being equal. There is no arguments in this because its just biology, its just how humans are wired.
Yes, I'm hoping new innovations allow for a better LL procedure and the cost thing wont worry me one bit, if I want it bad enough I'll find a way.
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at 5'8 I know its not in my head, an attractive girl will choose the taller guy 7/10 times barring all else being equal. There is no arguments in this because its just biology, its just how humans are wired.
Yes, I'm hoping new innovations allow for a better LL procedure and the cost thing wont worry me one bit, if I want it bad enough I'll find a way.
That's way to much of a simplistic, generalized comment to make (nice arbitrary ratio btw). It's also one that leads down a slippery slope about the nature of women that those MGTOW (which is stupid) all to often make...
I'm not gonna argue with you, I'm ending it here.
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That's way to much of a simplistic, generalized comment to make (nice arbitrary ratio btw). It's also one that leads down a slippery slope about the nature of women that those MGTOW (which is stupid) all to often make...
I think there are two different things at work here..
If you are not "that tall", will you be able to find a great girl, and have a good life with here? Off course.
But if you are taller, the pool of women to chose from will be automatically larger.
I have had a couple of Tinder dates, where the women told me, I'd be their type, if I would just be a couple of cm taller. And these were girls who were like 4 to 8 cm smaller than me. It's weird.
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This is completely idiotic. All this rubbish about a tall guy surely getting a hot girl.
Listen bud, I have seen both tall and not tall and even short guys dates both gorgeous and ugly women.
The equation doesnt go "The taller you get the hotter the chicks you date get" but it just means you will not be disregarded which is esencially a larger dating pool. If a chick dates you at your 5'7 it means your height is enough... Being taller won't make the relationship work better and she wouldnt dump you for another guy just because you arent tall enough...
Ugh... I have dated women, some were decent and others were hot... Yeah, I am 100% aware that if I will be taller I will be able to date MORE women but not MORE ATTRACTIVE women. Make the difference bud.
And about me creating a clone account called pricess, no... Its not me.... It is stupid idiotic family friends who wanted to scare me off (And sadly succedded).
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This is completely idiotic. All this rubbish about a tall guy surely getting a hot girl.
Listen bud, I have seen both tall and not tall and even short guys dates both gorgeous and ugly women.
The equation doesnt go "The taller you get the hotter the chicks you date get" but it just means you will not be disregarded which is esencially a larger dating pool. If a chick dates you at your 5'7 it means your height is enough... Being taller won't make the relationship work better and she wouldnt dump you for another guy just because you arent tall enough...
Ugh... I have dated women, some were decent and others were hot... Yeah, I am 100% aware that if I will be taller I will be able to date MORE women but not MORE ATTRACTIVE women. Make the difference bud.
And about me creating a clone account called pricess, no... Its not me.... It is stupid idiotic family friends who wanted to scare me off (And sadly succedded).
This has been my experience in life as well. I've been with mostly average chicks, and some hot ones. Very comparable notch count and quality of women to my taller friends. I've been with way more women than I'll ever admit to on this forum.
Only one ugly chick, but I blame that on my good buddy Budweiser.
The amount of self doubt on this forum is disheartening. Especially with the 5'7+ group.
Yes, taller guys have it easier. Yes, being taller would increase attraction to an extent. But really? All this despair over things like chicks on tinder?
Women, sex, and relationships are difficult for MOST men, regardless of height.
There is so much more to life than height, and so many women out there that just DO NOT CARE as long as you are equal or even a little taller. Hell, lots of women don't care if you are even a little shorter than them.
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This has been my experience in life as well. I've been with mostly average chicks, and some hot ones. Very comparable notch count and quality of women to my taller friends. I've been with way more women than I'll ever admit to on this forum.
Same here, so what?
Only one ugly chick, but I blame that on my good buddy Budweiser.
The amount of self doubt on this forum is disheartening. Especially with the 5'7+ group.
Yes, taller guys have it easier. Yes, being taller would increase attraction to an extent. But really? All this despair over things like chicks on tinder?
I just wrote something that I think is a given.
I didn't write that I am despaired about "getting not enough women". So don't put these words into my mouth.
Also, some men just prefer girls with longer legs, which tend to be more tall usually.
Women, sex, and relationships are difficult for MOST men, regardless of height.
There is so much more to life than height, and so many women out there that just DO NOT CARE as long as you are equal or even a little taller. Hell, lots of women don't care if you are even a little shorter than them.
My last girlfriend was 4 cm taller than me, and didn't care. But that's not the point.
Well, you seem to care enough about height to still be around here after proclaiming loud and bold that you are done with LL.
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Same here, so what?I just wrote something that I think is a given.
I didn't write that I am despaired about "getting not enough women". So don't put these words into my mouth.
Also, some men just prefer girls with longer legs, which tend to be more tall usually.
My last girlfriend was 4 cm taller than me, and didn't care. But that's not the point.
Well, you seem to care enough about height to still be around here after proclaiming loud and bold that you are done with LL.
I am done with LL. It would take a significant change in LL technology and my situation in life for me to change my mind. I'm only here because I had some pms to answer from guys I have grown fond of.
I was generalizing with my comment about tinder, which gets brought up a lot around here, and wasn't talking about you specifically.
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This has been my experience in life as well. I've been with mostly average chicks, and some hot ones. Very comparable notch count and quality of women to my taller friends. I've been with way more women than I'll ever admit to on this forum.
Only one ugly chick, but I blame that on my good buddy Budweiser.
The amount of self doubt on this forum is disheartening. Especially with the 5'7+ group.
Yes, taller guys have it easier. Yes, being taller would increase attraction to an extent. But really? All this despair over things like chicks on tinder?
Women, sex, and relationships are difficult for MOST men, regardless of height.
There is so much more to life than height, and so many women out there that just DO NOT CARE as long as you are equal or even a little taller. Hell, lots of women don't care if you are even a little shorter than them.
It's not just tinder, its everywhere. Even in college I've had girls tell me I was too short for them at 5'8. Everything seemed fine when we interacted as friends but as soon as I started to flirt, they disappeared.
And just forget about bars/clubs if you're under 6'. Every time I go out I want to kill myself looking at the competition and getting no attention from attractive girls. So yeah women do care about height whether how much people on this forum want to cope by imagining that they dont.
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It's not just tinder, its everywhere. Even in college I've had girls tell me I was too short for them at 5'8. Everything seemed fine when we interacted as friends but as soon as I started to flirt, they disappeared.
And just forget about bars/clubs if you're under 6'. Every time I go out I want to kill myself looking at the competition and getting no attention from attractive girls. So yeah women do care about height whether how much people on this forum want to cope by imagining that they dont.
All else being equal, yeah, taller is better. Why do you think LL interests me?
Yeah, bars and clubs, and online dating are not gonna be your friend at 5'8.
But dude, you're 5'8. That's only 1-2" under average depending on how you slice it.
There are a million other ways to meet women. Grocery store, church, walgreens, social circles, hobbies, front counter at hotels, pools, lakes, etc. I've picked up girls in all these places.
Casual sex is tougher at our height, no doubt. But relationships are easier. You know how many girls I've feigned interest in having a relationship with until I got sex and then dumped them?
I am just a bit under 5'8.
LL let's you change the hand you're dealt. If your gonna do it fine, I'm not saying don't do it. But LL won't drastically change your life with the attitude you show here.
Just relax man, it's not that bad.
Rejection is part of life as a man. Learn from it, embrace it. Do what you can to adjust yourself and reduce rejections (which might include LL)
But "height is life" as your profile says...is wrong. Its just one of many things that makes a man.
So no, no "coping" here. Height is important for sure. But so are many, many other things.
Play the hand you're dealt as best you can. Change that hand with LL if that is what you want. Just be smart about it. (good doc, not an extreme amount)
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I haven't said anything about it earlier since I only got to know about it three days ago... And since I never ever lied or spread false info on this forum, I kept the same line and decided that it was best to reveal that, so people wont decide against a doctor solely based on a false claim.
I did got enraged like a demon though. Because it completely destroyed my momentum... I stopped smoking precisly for the procedure and after seeing that post, I got completely pannicked so I resumed smoking...
I feel for you entirely man. I'd be ticked off if someone did that too me. I knew something was fishy about that account considering everything at the time. You should do whatever you feel makes you happiest dude. Whether to do it or not. Also stop smoking man, you should know how bad that stuff is for you. In any case, I wish you the best mate. You're level headed so I trust your judgment and one of the few I respect the most here.
And again sorry that that happened to you. I wish you the absolute best!
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I feel for you entirely man. I'd be ticked off if someone did that too me. I knew something was fishy about that account considering everything at the time. You should do whatever you feel makes you happiest dude. Whether to do it or not. Also stop smoking man, you should know how bad that stuff is for you. In any case, I wish you the best mate. You're level headed so I trust your judgment and one of the few I respect the most here.
And again sorry that that happened to you. I wish you the absolute best!
Hey Tibike,
You stop smoking, and I'll cut down to 1 pack a day instead of 2+...deal? lol
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Play the hand you're dealt as best you can.
I think I am already doing that.
It irks me, though, to have this massive barrier in my way, which is my height.
Change that hand with LL if that is what you want. Just be smart about it. (good doc, not an extreme amount)
Exactly.
Get a good doc, give yourself some time to heal, don't do LATN or LON, and don't go over 6 cm on one segment.
That's what I basically got out of reading all these diaries.
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I think I am already doing that.
It irks me, though, to have this massive barrier in my way, which is my height.
Exactly.
Get a good doc, give yourself some time to heal, don't do LATN or LON, and don't go over 6 cm on one segment.
That's what I basically got out of reading all these diaries.
I'm glad you are already playing the hand you got the best you can. Lot's of guys here sink into a deep dark depression over all of this (myself included) and it pains me so to see it. I really want to see my fellow men succeed in life.
What I got out of the diaries basically amounts to, "don't be cheap"
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I'm glad you are already playing the hand you got the best you can. Lot's of guys here sink into a deep dark depression over all of this (myself included) and it pains me so to see it. I really want to see my fellow men succeed in life.
I had this feeling when I was younger. But over the years I noticed, that a lot of people in my bigger circle of friends didn't manage to do better (for example with women) even if they were taller.
For instance, I know a couple of athletic 190cm guys, where I can safely say that I had more and prettier women than them.
Being tall is not everything. You still need the whole package.
But feeling you have "the whole package", and the only thing that hinders you is your height is still irking me.
What I got out of the diaries basically amounts to, "don't be cheap"
I think you can pay the best doctor the largest sums, but if you don't take care about your healing process yourself, overlengthen, have LATN and then afterwards chronic knee pain or other things like that paying the best doctor doesn't mean much and you can still be fked in the end.
Just have a level headed approach to LL and things are going to be okay, I think.
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I had this feeling when I was younger. But over the years I noticed, that a lot of people in my bigger circle of friends didn't manage to do better (for example with women) even if they were taller.
For instance, I know a couple of athletic 190cm guys, where I can safely say that I had more and prettier women than them.
Being tall is not everything. You still need the whole package.
But feeling you have "the whole package", and the only thing that hinders you is your height is still irking me.
I think you can pay the best doctor the largest sums, but if you don't take care about your healing process yourself, overlengthen, have LATN and then afterwards chronic knee pain or other things like that paying the best doctor doesn't mean much and you can still be fked in the end.
btw, this post wasnt directed at you, I just quoted you because I wanted to use some of the facts you said
Just have a level headed approach to LL and things are going to be okay, I think.
That's because unlike what many not short losers say around here (I am talking 175 and up), being taller is not a ticket into pussy land or into "OMG I am so popular kingdom".
Sincerly, you are absolutly no right to "blame" your height if you have absolutely no success with women (Even if you are below 170). If till your late 20's you couldnt manage to be with atleast one woman, I am sorry to break it to you, but you do indeed have a problem, but it's not your height.
Also, the notion that "taller is always better" needs to be a little bit put into sense... Being 190 has absolutely no advantage over someone who is 180. Once you arent short anymore, it doesnt matter how tall you are... LL is a ticket out of shorthood. Since, being tall has absolutely no advantages over someone who is not considered short.
"If all else is equal, height matters" (I know you didnt say it), yes it is indeed correct... But you know what? You arent equal to anybody in any aspect (especially aesthetic aspects). This hypothetical equation is good for therotical physics, not the real world.
90% of the people here will remain miserable even after LL (And even if they could magically become 185).
This forum is toxic (to a lesser extent than the other one though) with anything regarding height BDD.. This maniacal glorification of height is utterly disgusting.
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All else being equal, yeah, taller is better. Why do you think LL interests me?
Also, the notion that "taller is always better" needs to be a little bit put into sense...
I feel like this was directed at me a little bit...
So I'll clarify my statement.
The exact same *ME* at 5'7
or
The exact same *ME* at 5'9
Rather be 5'9.
So I think we are on the same page.
This forum is toxic (to a lesser extent than the other one though) with anything regarding height BDD.. This maniacal glorification of height is utterly disgusting.
Agreed. The only benefit to this forum is that I have contact with some people who have helped in a positive way with bdd.
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I concur, that being taller won't magically heal you from being completely ineffective with women.
If you are a dork, being a tall dork won't make you Mr. Pussymillionaire all of a sudden.
If you are good with women, and lead a good life already, getting taller (in my case going from 1.74 to 1.80) might be that icing on the cake that you crave for if you feel like you already have accomplished most of the things in life that you dreamed of as a boy (I am 41 years old, btw).
And personally, I think, that if you keep a level headed approach to LL (good Surgeon, <6cm, lengthen around .66 a day, no LON/LATN, daily stretching and walking with walker), this can be done rather well and without too many complications.
Your mileage may vary off course.
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The fear is too big. Since the booking of the surgery I had sleepness nights with alot of anxieity. It's not worth the risks in my height. My life was good till now and it will be afterwards. Dont want to risk my life in order to fulfil a dream which might be false. A dream which was created by the internet which had nothing to do with real life.
I have lived life to it's fullest with my 5'7 (171cm) till now, and there is no reason I wouldnt be able to continue to do so.
As I told you before I have spoken with Israeli docs. There is a reason why this procedure is forbidden in Israel to people of my height. Again, the risks are too big. When I calculate risk/gain ratio, it's simply not worth it.
I just got done with Lengthening. IF, YOU EVER DECIDED TO DO IT. JUST DO PRECISE 2 method. Very easy compared to what I did. illizarov old school method. Oh and by the way go buy some lifts for parties and clubs. I think I should of done that before I did this surgery. Also, if you wanted to do it for girls, just work on your seduction skills man, it will prove much better results.
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I feel like this was directed at me a little bit...
So I'll clarify my statement.
The exact same *ME* at 5'7
or
The exact same *ME* at 5'9
Rather be 5'9.
So I think we are on the same page.
Agreed. The only benefit to this forum is that I have contact with some people who have helped in a positive way with bdd.
maybe you're ugly and can't find women. height is fking nothing except in dating website thats all.
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TIBIKE, if you have decided to avoid this surgery is really OK, I admire you because no everybody can do it( including me). You should be sure that height above 170+ doesnt matter at all, because some people get older and regret, however, it is not your case you are realizing about a lot of things. Catagni is right in saying that average people have a deeper problem than just height, I think the deepest problem with average people is the desire of highlight, in some way that height becomes an advantage. So how to avoid being narcissistic?
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I think to call it off if you can't afford the top 3 doctors. you can length 5-6 cm and be fine if you don't care a lot about sport. call it off if you don't have big budget and you can't go to top doctor, only Russian, Chinese and Indian
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I think to call it off if you can't afford the top 3 doctors. you can length 5-6 cm and be fine if you don't care a lot about sport. call it off if you don't have big budget and you can't go to top doctor, only Russian, Chinese and Indian
I have budget to go to anyone... And why is this old thread keeps coming back up?
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I have budget to go to anyone... And why is this old thread keeps coming back up?
Some one give it a try and maybe this is your destiny chasing you lol. did you try to think about it again? if not why? Its not that risk and you gonna die, but i think if you could deal without it, its better of course