Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: OldieButGoldie on February 11, 2014, 02:41:05 PM
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Hi guys,
I just posted something in my diary on old forum -responding to somebody´s question about physiotherapy during recovery- , and I thought I might as well post it here, too, in order to get the diary also going on this forum:
"Hey OBG, how much physiotherapy do you undergo during recovery? Is it the same as lengthening where you do 3 sessions per week or has it reduced to 1 session?
Thanks"
I haven´t done any PT at all. I know it sounds crazy but that´s the way it is. If you have a skilled PT guy, PT will definitely help a lot. I only had guys who didn´t know shi* about LL and didn´t know what to do with me. This only got me frustrated. Thus, during lengthening, I only asked them to give me a massage. After lengthening, I didn´t even bother to go see the PT guys any more. I actually did the whole LL thing without a single real PT session. I only bicycled, walked a lot, worked out, went dancing (good for the hip muscles) and tried to stretch a little. But I even skipped the stretching completely a few weeks after finishing lengthening. It seems like the muscles get stretched by all the activities I mentioned. Well, whatever, it worked out fine for me. It just came back from 7 days of snowboarding and skiing, was on the slopes every day and felt very safe.
I will upload a video of it later this week.
OBG
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new x-rays today. 9 months after surgery, 6 months into consolidation.
Here comes the left leg...
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag102/ronald394/leg_20140213_2_zpsf0b0e60b.jpg)
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and here the right leg...
(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag102/ronald394/leg_20140213_0_zpsc5def1cd.jpg)
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I would like to post some youtube-videos of myself skiing and jogging. How do I do it on this forum?
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I would like to post some youtube-videos of myself skiing and jogging. How do I do it on this forum?
Do this: [ youtube ]link[ /youtube ] but put the brackets directly next to the word youtube (i had to space them just so you could get a visual).
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Here comes a new skiing video. Taken a few days prior the 9-months-post surgery mark (or: around 6 months into consolidation...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22c8iV2WMmk
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I assume many of you do not know my diary on the old forum. Therefore I will make a little documentary of my LL by posting some videos.
My surgery was on may 7 in 2013. I lengthened around 6cm (before 173cm, now 179cm).
This is my first LL video, taken 2 months and 10 days after surgery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcjD92mGM_A
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This is 3,5 months after surgery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ9BSI69SJM
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proportion video, 6 months after surgery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlQ8BYf2ey4
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6 months and 12 days after surgery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PnW4sueljo
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That is just awesome!! It is really good to see guys like you
You are an inspiration for all of us who are still saving money for the surgery
keep it up bro!
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Damn OBG, your bones healed beautifully.
EDIT: Awe-inspiring videos too! I think you should be the poster boy for LL gone well.
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8 months after surgery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukwz5iYerJ0
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First skiing after LL !!!!!!!!!!!!!
8 months and 10 days after surgery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do2ajH4MtcE
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And this is the text which I owe you to the video above (copied from the old forum):
Yeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssss!!!
I have done it!!
I went skiing and snowboarding for the weekend and it was no problem at all. I felt absolutely fine and I would even claim it was good for my legs, too.
On the video the slope is not very steep cause it was easier to film on an easy piste but I also went down steep slopes without problems.
Unfortunately, the sound is partially off due to the heavy wind, thus I will explain shortly what I am talking about in this video:
1. part: sound still good...
2. part: forget about it...
3. part: I am directing this part of my little speech to Prof. Betz, with whom I haven´t had any contact for almost 5 months. Our last contact was a phone call and he was very mad at me for asking a silly question (silly in his opinion because he had explained the answer before, but -well- I did not completely understand so I asked again...).
In the video I ask him to take it easy on him, since he is the expert in LL, for him it´s almost like routine, but not for me, so I am asking him to take it easy on me.
4. part: in the last part I am saying thanks to everyone who reacted to my last post. I thought I was gonna get bashed for being a wheeny wimp but you guys all tried to cheer me up or show some ways to handle my situation.
Thanks again a thousand times!!!
OBG
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That is just awesome!! It is really good to see guys like you
You are an inspiration for all of us who are still saving money for the surgery
keep it up bro!
Thank you!!!
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Damn OBG, your bones healed beautifully.
EDIT: Awe-inspiring videos too! I think you should be the poster boy for LL gone well.
Thanks !!!!!
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He has other issues, its obvious by the recent post-LL posts he made on that old forum.
He wrote that he didn't feel any difference in life, his life was still bad. He regretted doing LL and wasting time and money.
Betz psycholog test should have caught his other issues and dealt with them instead of approving him for LL. It would have helped oldiebutgoldie.
I re-read the post you are referring to. I was feeling a little down for a weeks, but it did not have anything to do with LL.
I never wrote or felt or thought my life is bad. Only now and then I get a little frustrated about decisions I have taken. It´s a little like a midlife-crisis thing. At a certain age you realize that it´s difficult to completely change your life again. This is hard for every person, no matter in which situation you are.
I don´t regret LL any more. It was the right decision.
Besides, I would not have failed a psycho test. I was in a very positive and stable condition when I underwent LL. Almost happy because I had just found out about LL shortly before. The first two weeks were a breeze. It started to become harder during lengthening because I hardly could sleep any more. The pain was bearable but insomnia drove me crazy.
Tears come to my eyes very easily when I watch a movie or when I hear or read moving things. But during LL I did not have to cry even in the hardest moments. Of course, there are always moments of frustration, but what do you expect? that´s normal...
During LL I was focusing only on this process, that made my life easy.
When my recovery started to get really good (around 2 months ago) I got distracted from LL and started to think about my life, my job, relationship etc... This led to the post KUSOP is referring to. I realized I have to make some changes in order to really become happy. LL alone will not do that.
I´m on a good way now... ;)
Peace
OBG
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Could you tell a little bit about your motivations for having surgery to get taller?
Did you dislike your height or experience that it held you back in life? If so in what ways?
Great videos and congrats on your level of recovery.
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Could you tell a little bit about your motivations for having surgery to get taller?
Did you dislike your height or experience that it held you back in life? If so in what ways?
Great videos and congrats on your level of recovery.
It was a very spontaneous decision. I was not suffering extremely from my height before LL.
I just loved the idea of being taller and was overwhelmed by the possibility of actually doing this.
There is a lot more on this topic in my diary. You can read it on old forum , just skip all the comments...
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I'm sorry if I missed somewhere but what motivates you to get 6cm increase?
- Is this because of your age?
- Is it because that's what you like from the start?
- Is it because Dr Betz asked you to get 6cm? (conservative in his standard)
- Is it because you stopped after feeling your body, but planned to LL longer from the start?
After going through all of this and the experience and the info, would you recommend Dr Betz from LL Forum members?
Thanks a lot.
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I'm sorry if I missed somewhere but what motivates you to get 6cm increase?
- Is this because of your age?
- Is it because that's what you like from the start?
- Is it because Dr Betz asked you to get 6cm? (conservative in his standard)
- Is it because you stopped after feeling your body, but planned to LL longer from the start?
After going through all of this and the experience and the info, would you recommend Dr Betz from LL Forum members?
Thanks a lot.
6cm was good for me. I had a terrible accident in the mountains 8 years go which completely destroyed my right knee. Without this accident I probably would have done 7 or 8cm.
Yes, I can recommend Dr. Betz.
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Perfect, watching your video, I wouldn't think you're over 40.
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Wow, you sir are really good looking!
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OBG, seriously, I wrote it on the old forum and will repeat it here; you're one helluva handsome guy.
Now we all wish you to find someone to spend your life with, get married, and live a happier life :)
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Hugh Jackman. You should get the wolverine username, oops, taken already.
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hey OBG,
Thanks for your diary and videos, they are awesome 8). You and couple of other guys with their diaries made me more optimistic and strong before the surgery. I am at the difficult stage right now, but I keep reading all those diaries, they keep me focused and give me streingth also now . I wish there were some videos of girls running and skiing just like you ;).
Best of luck,
Sweatpants
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Hey guys!
Well, what can I say... Thanks so much for all the nice posts. I don't really know how to deal with these compliments... there is definitely a smiley/emoticon with blushing cheeks missing...
After reading all these comments I'm kind of considering becoming bisexual and thus double my options... ;D
Also, I could marry Sweden after his divorce and console him when he is suffering from his second=femur op... (sorry Sweden, but I think you can take it... ;))
@sweatpants: your post suggests that you are female... Can we have a date? :P
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Also, I could marry Sweden after his divorce and console him when he is suffering from his second=femur op... (sorry Sweden, but I think you can take it... ;))
wow now this post is way too homoerotic for me :D
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Update.
My surgery was exactly a year ago. I lengthened 6cm in 2,5 months and went from 173 to 179cm (at the age of 45).
The difference is very noticeable, for me and for others.
My left leg returned to normal with the speed of light. My right leg is a different story. To be honest I think it will never completely recover from LL. I had a terrible accident in the mountains 8 years ago. I crushed on a cliff which ripped my patella tendon apart and smashed the patella itself. Two hours later i receaved an emergency op in a good hospital in Austria. The surgeon did a good job and sewed the patella tendon together.
As a result of this accident my flexibility in the right leg was severely reduced and only came back to around 80% after 7 years. I did not care about the missing 20% so I never really stretched and worked on it. i was happy that I was able to do any sport I liked again after some months (the surgeon who had operated me 8 years ago visited me the day after the op and told me that I could never snowboard or ski or play soccer again.
What an idiot to say something like this, I did it all again and I am still doing it...).
As a result of this accident not only my flexibility in the right leg was reduced, I also had shortened muscles and tendons (well, it's my own theory...).
Still, I decided to to LL , because I wanted to grow taller no matter what. I had only heard about this way of growing taller some weeks before I actually did it, so I really jumped into it with no idea what to expect. I had a very simple and naive belief that all would work out good.
I did not know this website and even if I had known about it I would not have entered it, being afraid of reading things that would cause me to hesitate.
So. Let's get back to the right leg. It's difficult to explain. I have strength and power in it but somehow this leg is under tension. Difficult to locate but somewhere between my butt and the IT-band. Additionally i might have some problem with my right hip. I don't know because I am not seeing any doctor. Things are okay the way they are. I don't wanna waste my life and time with running to doctors as long as I can live pretty good with the restrictions in the right leg.
I have lost speed and explosiveness but that's ok, too.
I can play tennis again, I already skied and snowboarded months ago and I could play soccer again.
I won't do it, though, because my big advantage has always been my speed and explosiveness and now it would not be fun any more. Anyway, it's better nit to play soccer at the age of 45. You are just gonna hurt yourself...
I don't regret LL.
I had to do it. Had I not done it I would be thinking of this missed oportunity for the rest of my life.
It's amazing how much a difference 6cm make. There are tons of 180-ish guys among all the people I meet and know and now I am just like them -normal-.
I need to tell you something unusual that happened to me some weeks ago.
I was in a crazy club in Berlin and saw this girl dancing with her friends. She was 175cm (she told me later) and she was beautiful, in fact the looked like a model. Models normally are not may type but she was awesome. I noticed she was flirting with me and could not believe my luck. I had two more shots with my friends and went for it, although I knew she was at least 20 years younger than me. But who cares, obviously she did not care so why should I?
We danced all night and started kissing in the early morning, it was one of the most magical nights of my life.
She was in Berlin just for the weekend, so I met her again the following night in another club and we repeated the whole thing. Then we kissed good-bye thinking we would never meet again.
But after a few days it was her who contacted me again, saying she can't forget me and she wants to see me again. It was very difficult to arrange because she does not have any spare time and lives far away from me.
But we managed. One afternoon both of us drove our cars towards each other (300km each) and we took a hotel room. I don't wanna go into detail on this night. It was wonderful, that should be enough.
She is actually 21 years old, 25 years younger than me. Impossible to even think this could last...
By the way, she actually is a model. Her mother is from asia, father from France.
She told me that -when she saw me in the club- she wanted to "have" me. So, actually she picked me...
I did not have any woman for many months before this happened to me.
Here is
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Here comes an interesting detail: she told me looks did not matter that much for her (with men).
The only thing, she admitted, that really mattered to her: the man must be taller than her.
I really had to smile deep inside because this meant that I could never have had this beautiful girl had I not gotten my LL.
Of course, I did not tell her... ;)
So, for this love affair alone, LL was worth it. ;D
By the way, I do not only like her looks but also her personality. :)
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Here comes an interesting detail: she told me looks did not matter that much for her (with men).
The only thing, she admitted, that really mattered to her: the man must be taller than her.
I really had to smile deep inside because this meant that I could never have had this beautiful girl had I not gotten my LL.
Of course, I did not tell her... ;)
So, for this love affair alone, LL was worth it. ;D
By the way, I do not only like her looks but also her personality. :)
Im so glad for you OBG, you rock 8). Personnality ? What's that word ? I don't understand ::). I hope the little OBG's are on their way ::)
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Awesome story OBG!!! I am hoping to do LL by time I'm 40 and it's awesome how well the past year of your life has worked out! Congrats!! :)
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Hello OldiebutGoldie. It's great that You recovered well after such a huge operation. You're one of my idols here!
I have some questions to You.
1. As far as I understood You have broken or bended Your nail. Why that happend? Did You do some exercises that are not recommended, or did You began to "live normaly" to early?
2. What type of nail were You using? Was it Betzbone? Do You think Dr. Betz have some better nail nowadays? Which type is "hardest" in Your opinion?
3. How do You rank Dr. Betz? Is he a type of doctor that tells You the whole truth, or do You have to ask about everything, and care for yourself, or You will be forgotten?
4. What is the biggest gain possible with Dr. Betz? I've read on "the old forum" his interview, where he claims that it's 13,5cm in femurs.
5. Do You have some bad experiences with "the old forum"?
If You think any of the answers for my questions should not be written publicly, please write it in PM.
Yours,
Jan
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OBG will always be my favorite LL success story, what a bad ass! :D
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Hi OBG,
Great story! 8)
Now that it's been a whole year, any plans on getting those rods out? Do you feel ready? I was wondering, when were you back to normal life/walking/functioning/going out and all (sports aside, I know it should take more time)?
Thanks a lot :)
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Hi OBG. Congratulations on your truly inspirational journey! Do you think it would be possible to post before and after proportions photos of yourself for reference to others interested in undergoing the same procedure? It would be tremendously appreciated. Thank you.
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This is a true lengthening success story!
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Hello OldiebutGoldie. It's great that You recovered well after such a huge operation. You're one of my idols here!
I have some questions to You.
1. As far as I understood You have broken or bended Your nail. Why that happend? Did You do some exercises that are not recommended, or did You began to "live normaly" to early?
2. What type of nail were You using? Was it Betzbone? Do You think Dr. Betz have some better nail nowadays? Which type is "hardest" in Your opinion?
3. How do You rank Dr. Betz? Is he a type of doctor that tells You the whole truth, or do You have to ask about everything, and care for yourself, or You will be forgotten?
4. What is the biggest gain possible with Dr. Betz? I've read on "the old forum" his interview, where he claims that it's 13,5cm in femurs.
5. Do You have some bad experiences with "the old forum"?
If You think any of the answers for my questions should not be written publicly, please write it in PM.
Yours,
Jan
Answers:
1. Wrong. Broken screws, not nails. Probably too much walking and other activity. Did not do anything stupid, like lifting heavy etc...
2. Betzbone. Don´t know anything about new or other nails...
3. I think he is an excellent surgeon. He is also extremely busy. He will do the best he can in order to assist when problems occur, but don´t expect him to always be around. He is a human being and cannot be everywhere at the same time.
One critical remark: Dr. Betz might be too overly optimistic in general. He truely believes he can perform surgery on anyone and will always have a good result. But there are patients who should not get this surgery (e.g., if you are mentally unstable).
It`s good to be super-optimistic but it is not bad to be realistic, too...
4. Don´t know. I personally know guys who have done 10cm and they seem to be ok. Depends on your body and how much your body will take...
5. Well, a little. don´t wanna go into detail here.
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Hi OBG,
Great story! 8)
Now that it's been a whole year, any plans on getting those rods out? Do you feel ready? I was wondering, when were you back to normal life/walking/functioning/going out and all (sports aside, I know it should take more time)?
Thanks a lot :)
I think I could take them out now but I wanna wait until autumn because it´s tennis season now and I don´t wanna have any interruption.
getting back to normal is a slow, gradual process. But I would say I went "back to normal" weeks after surgery, because I went home, continued with my work, went out etc.
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Hi OBG. Congratulations on your truly inspirational journey! Do you think it would be possible to post before and after proportions photos of yourself for reference to others interested in undergoing the same procedure? It would be tremendously appreciated. Thank you.
Sorry, i don´t have any "before" photos.
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Hi OBG
Can you please tell me how much did it cost including all the extras and if possible break up of the costs.
Your answer will help me plan how much I should have in my pocket/bank before I buy plane ticket.
Thanks
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Hi OBG
Can you please tell me how much did it cost including all the extras and if possible break up of the costs.
Your answer will help me plan how much I should have in my pocket/bank before I buy plane ticket.
Thanks
49.000€.
There were no extras in my case.
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It's amazing how much a difference 6cm make. There are tons of 180-ish guys among all the people I meet and know and now I am just like them -normal-.
Hey man, I congratulate you to your success and everything, but I think what you'ved said there is not OK. People who are a little shorter are just as normal as tall people.
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OMG! He didn't say that people belog 180 are NOT normal...
Please don't overreact, we are on an LL Forum...
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Hey man, I congratulate you to your success and everything, but I think what you'ved said there is not OK. People who are a little shorter are just as normal as tall people.
Sorry, I meant normal height.
I am now 179 and feel like I have a normal height in a crowd.
Before, at 173cm, I always felt like the shortest guy in the room.
In fact I was the shortest in my football team, the shortest at university, the shortest at every party, every wedding, and so on and so on...
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U 're also more than 180 in shoes which is also good, btw morning height or lowest?
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How old are u if u are over 40 this is awesome man !
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How old are u if u are over 40 this is awesome man !
45 when I had op, now 46...
it´s never too late...
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You must've had really short femurs before the surgery to have such excellent-looking proportions afterwards.
You were also quite wise not to lengthen too much just for the sake of gaining as much height as possible.
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OldieButGoldie, thank you for your detailed diary of your wonderful journey!
In the 49.000 euros, what is comprised? I mean, is this the bare cost of both femurs' operation?... and the hospital stay and suff are these to be paid with more money? Or even some PT sessions?
Cheers.
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OldieButGoldie,
how are you?
lately I've been reading some diaries in here and on the **T forum (your entire diary and that of MasterHY's and Hanna's): so I know a lot more about the costs with dr Betz now :).
I just sent him an e-mail about my want-to-be operation for the upcoming December at info@betzinstitute.com: is this the correct actual e-mail address to send our requests?
Do you know about your friend's MasterHY outcome? He left his diary unfinished...maybe did he undergo something not good?
Cheers, Oldie!
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OBG, seriously, I wrote it on the old forum and will repeat it here; you're one helluva handsome guy.
Now we all wish you to find someone to spend your life with, get married, and live a happier life :)
I feel like a lot of us guys have great facial aesthetics...we just need/needed the height to be the "full package." :D
And OBG - your story is absolutely awesome and inspiring. I really appreciate that you didn't get caught up in the numbers game. I love skiing myself, so I'm probably not gonna do more than 6.5cm on my femurs in order to (hopefully) have a great recovery like you.
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You must've had really short femurs before the surgery to have such excellent-looking proportions afterwards.
You were also quite wise not to lengthen too much just for the sake of gaining as much height as possible.
No, my femurs were not short compared to the rest of my body. Totally normal...
But 5,8 or 6,0 cm just don´t show so much...
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I just tried to post a current running video here. It´s a youtube video and I don´t know how I can post it here...
So watch it on the old forum or somebody tell me how to do it here...
OBG
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Saw your running video at the other site, and it looks very impressive. Im assuming you where faster before the surgery but that speed was still very impressive.
grats on the great progress and you will most likely recover a lot more still.
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Finally able to post the last running/sprinting video. It was taken during this summer, around one year and 3 months after surgery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goqPnij29qM
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I just can't get over how great your body proportions look in this video. Oh, and it's awesome seeing you so well recovered! :D
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You are the best bro thanks for the videos and thanks again for been honest , u are a handsome guy no homo and I am sure a lot of us here the same I always hear random people telling me at work you are handsome if it wasn't for my height but what can I do !
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Awesome video OBG!!!
Do you run as fast as you did before the surgery?
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Awesome video OBG!!!
Do you run as fast as you did before the surgery?
Not even close...
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OBG you are in excellent shape not just for a guy in his 40s but in general.
Do you have any particular supplements you take?
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You got the fit and tonned look going for you (no homo). Congrats. Your running look perfectly normal. How much running ability do you estimate to be from pre op 100% ?
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OBG you are in excellent shape not just for a guy in his 40s but in general.
Do you have any particular supplements you take?
nope. nothing. never taken anything.
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You got the fit and tonned look going for you (no homo). Congrats. Your running look perfectly normal. How much running ability do you estimate to be from pre op 100% ?
75-80%.
The hardest part is stopping abruptly in the middle of sprinting.
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wow , thank you man! those videos are very helpfull!
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Hi OBG, I hope things are going well for you. We met at the hospital in Neunkirchen in mid October. I had my nails removed just before you did, and the day before we had briefly talked about going to visit Peter Woll in Warden. Anyway, I was wondering how your experience has been since having the nails removed? For myself, the wounds from the nail removal are mostly healed and I removed the sutures two days ago, but as far as walking is concerned, my right leg seems to be talking longer to get back to normal i.e. maximum knee flexion is about 115 degrees whereas for the left leg I can flex the knee until my heel hits my butt. On the one hand, this is not entirely surprising since during the LL period, my right leg was always stiffer and more problematic than my left leg. Also, its been less than 2 weeks since the nails were removed so perhaps I'm being overly optimistic about how long it takes for both legs to regain the flexibility they had prior to having the nails removed. I'd say right now my left leg flexibility is about 90% back to pre-surgery levels but my right leg is about 50%. How would you rate your flexibility on both legs so far?
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I assume many of you do not know my diary on the old forum. Therefore I will make a little documentary of my LL by posting some videos.
My surgery was on may 7 in 2013. I lengthened around 6cm (before 173cm, now 179cm).
This is my first LL video, taken 2 months and 10 days after surgery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcjD92mGM_A
Absolutely beautiful. I'm definitely doing internals with either Dr. Betz or Dr. Guichet.
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Hope you are fine any update please
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Update
summary: op on 7 of may 2013, internal femurs. Age at time of op: 45 years. Starting height: a good 173cm. Lengthened around 5,7cm. Now around 179cm. Lengthening was done around 50 days after op (end of june/beginning of july 2013). Threw away crutches one week after lengthening. Walked very much, was very active. Good bone growth.
Went skiing and snowboarding in january 2014 (around 6 months after lengthening). Was able to run ok in march 2014. Ran pretty good in may 2014 (one year after op).
Running videos are in my diary.
Had nail removal in october 2014 (1 year and 5 months after op). Can do any sport I want to. Explosiveness is reduced. Your level in any kind of sport that involves running and quick explosive movements will be reduced after LL. In any other sport you should get back to almost 100% if you work hard.
Had a hard time after nail removal. Removal is another very serious surgery, underestimated by many. Again, you will feel like hit by a truck . Takes a few weeks to recover from that. But after theses weeks, things get better continously. First i felt the missing support of the nails. Now I am happy they are out.
My right IT-band is still causing problems , but it seems to be getting better. I am sure that the problem with my right IT-band is caused by and an old accident of mine with serious injuries in my right knee, so lengthening was not a good idea for my right leg.
Some general thoughts about LL: It is hard for me to accept that I really did this crazy thing. That I was not able to accept myself the way I was. And that the whole world knows it because I was open about it.
My point of view: LL is not for people who are emotionally unstable. The rollercoaster that you will have to go through is gonna be more than tough so you have to be very tough emotionally.
Conclusion: LL is for people who are very stable and already quite happy with their life. But then: why would you wanna do LL if you are already quite happy with your life??
Conclusion: Nobody should do LL. Just my opinion.
Cheers
OBG
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Your level in any kind of sport that involves running and quick explosive movements will be reduced after LL.
There goes my Tennis hobby, maybe I should take up Golfing?
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You've come to a rather harsh conclusion, but perhaps you're right. :-\
I kinda agree with a lot of what OBG said too.
I feel like a surgery of this magnitude should be reserved only for people who are super short (men 5'6" and below and women 5'1" and below, or something like that).
OBG - regardless of how you may feel right now, your story remains one of my absolute favorites. You were definitely an inspiration to me in the year that I went back and forth on doing LL or not. Question for you - do you think maybe you should've given LL more thought? I think you said you jumped into it fairly quickly. Your starting height wasn't that bad, but I suppose I can understand why you'd want to still do LL at that height. Your starting height is my ending height, and I still feel a tad on the short side, but I'd never do a second LL even if someone paid for it all lol
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There goes my Tennis hobby, maybe I should take up Golfing?
Uppland, I feel that OBG lost a lot of his explosiveness because he lengthened his femurs at 45 years of age, meaning that he probably didn't have enough growth hormones and other factors in his body to sufficiently rebuild his muscles as before, leading to reduced explosiveness.
People in their late teens and early 20's should be fine. When did you stop growing? Let's say 16. When do you plan to do LL? When you're 22ish? At those two ages, your hormonal profile is actually quite similar, you just aren't growing anymore because your growth plates have parmenently closed, but, if you had growth plates, you'd still be growing because all of the growth-promoting hormones that are in high concentrations in the body until around 28-30 years of age, when they begin to sharply decline.
A good friend of one of my friends lengthened his femurs 8CM internally with Precise 2 with Dr. Lee in Korea. He looks completely normal and can actually jump quite high and play basketball quite explosively from what I've heard. He did LL at 18 years of age. I think that if femoral LL is done before 30 years of age, the chances of full explosive recovery are pretty good.
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I think that if femoral LL is done before 30 years of age, the chances of full explosive recovery are pretty good.
Geez - I really cut it damn close then (I'm turning 31 late this summer). 8)
I think a big part of OBG's issues are also the (skiing?) injury he had before doing LL. He's made a remarkable recovery regardless of not necessarily getting full explosiveness back.
As long as I can go to the gym, walk normally, run mostly decently, and have a good sex life, that's all I care about! lol
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Uppland, I feel that OBG lost a lot of his explosiveness because he lengthened his femurs at 45 years of age, meaning that he probably didn't have enough growth hormones and other factors in his body to sufficiently rebuild his muscles as before, leading to reduced explosiveness.
People in their late teens and early 20's should be fine. When did you stop growing? Let's say 16. When do you plan to do LL? When you're 22ish? At those two ages, your hormonal profile is actually quite similar, you just aren't growing anymore because your growth plates have parmenently closed, but, if you had growth plates, you'd still be growing because all of the growth-promoting hormones that are in high concentrations in the body until around 28-30 years of age, when they begin to sharply decline.
A good friend of one of my friends lengthened his femurs 8CM internally with Precise 2 with Dr. Lee in Korea. He looks completely normal and can actually jump quite high and play basketball quite explosively from what I've heard. He did LL at 18 years of age. I think that if femoral LL is done before 30 years of age, the chances of full explosive recovery are pretty good.
do you think you can have injection during ll?
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Uppland, I feel that OBG lost a lot of his explosiveness because he lengthened his femurs at 45 years of age, meaning that he probably didn't have enough growth hormones and other factors in his body to sufficiently rebuild his muscles as before, leading to reduced explosiveness.
People in their late teens and early 20's should be fine. When did you stop growing? Let's say 16. When do you plan to do LL? When you're 22ish? At those two ages, your hormonal profile is actually quite similar, you just aren't growing anymore because your growth plates have parmenently closed, but, if you had growth plates, you'd still be growing because all of the growth-promoting hormones that are in high concentrations in the body until around 28-30 years of age, when they begin to sharply decline.
A good friend of one of my friends lengthened his femurs 8CM internally with Precise 2 with Dr. Lee in Korea. He looks completely normal and can actually jump quite high and play basketball quite explosively from what I've heard. He did LL at 18 years of age. I think that if femoral LL is done before 30 years of age, the chances of full explosive recovery are pretty good.
You feel that way but what can you really say for certain?
Until I hear from a qualified doctor I will prepare myself for that I might not be as agile after the surgery, I couldn't stand the disappointment if it would happen to me unexpectedly. Thanks for the kind words though.
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There goes my Tennis hobby, maybe I should take up Golfing?
I will play a lot of tennis this summer, will let you know how it goes... ;)
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I kinda agree with a lot of what OBG said too.
I feel like a surgery of this magnitude should be reserved only for people who are super short (men 5'6" and below and women 5'1" and below, or something like that).
OBG - regardless of how you may feel right now, your story remains one of my absolute favorites. You were definitely an inspiration to me in the year that I went back and forth on doing LL or not. Question for you - do you think maybe you should've given LL more thought? I think you said you jumped into it fairly quickly. Your starting height wasn't that bad, but I suppose I can understand why you'd want to still do LL at that height. Your starting height is my ending height, and I still feel a tad on the short side, but I'd never do a second LL even if someone paid for it all lol
Yes, you are right.
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Yes, you are right.
OBG please keep updating
Now you are in the final phase of ll
Your valuable experienced will help a lot of people that they should or should not do ll
I 'm alway wondering how about life after rod removal
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OBG please keep updating
Now you are in the final phase of ll
Your valuable experienced will help a lot of people that they should or should not do ll
I 'm alway wondering how about life after rod removal
+1
Your videos are some of the best.
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You look super German and tall :D
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Update
summary: op on 7 of may 2013, internal femurs. Age at time of op: 45 years. Starting height: a good 173cm. Lengthened around 5,7cm. Now around 179cm. Lengthening was done around 50 days after op (end of june/beginning of july 2013). Threw away crutches one week after lengthening. Walked very much, was very active. Good bone growth.
Went skiing and snowboarding in january 2014 (around 6 months after lengthening). Was able to run ok in march 2014. Ran pretty good in may 2014 (one year after op).
Running videos are in my diary.
Had nail removal in october 2014 (1 year and 5 months after op). Can do any sport I want to. Explosiveness is reduced. Your level in any kind of sport that involves running and quick explosive movements will be reduced after LL. In any other sport you should get back to almost 100% if you work hard.
Had a hard time after nail removal. Removal is another very serious surgery, underestimated by many. Again, you will feel like hit by a truck . Takes a few weeks to recover from that. But after theses weeks, things get better continously. First i felt the missing support of the nails. Now I am happy they are out.
My right IT-band is still causing problems , but it seems to be getting better. I am sure that the problem with my right IT-band is caused by and an old accident of mine with serious injuries in my right knee, so lengthening was not a good idea for my right leg.
Some general thoughts about LL: It is hard for me to accept that I really did this crazy thing. That I was not able to accept myself the way I was. And that the whole world knows it because I was open about it.
My point of view: LL is not for people who are emotionally unstable. The rollercoaster that you will have to go through is gonna be more than tough so you have to be very tough emotionally.
Conclusion: LL is for people who are very stable and already quite happy with their life. But then: why would you wanna do LL if you are already quite happy with your life??
Conclusion: Nobody should do LL. Just my opinion.
Cheers
OBG
Could ller can jogging on thread mill for 1hour when rod still inside?
Could ller do abs work out for 1 hour ?
Could ller do t25 work out for 1 hour when rod inside?
do you think all of these activities will effect rod ,screws or fractures?
This is my routine for keeping my good shape (177cmwith65kg)
After i do ll in this july2015 i still want to do work out continuously for life .if i didnt make a lot of work out ,i would going fat quockly.
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Thanks, for the update oldie
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Hi OBG, I hope things are going well for you. We met at the hospital in Neunkirchen in mid October. I had my nails removed just before you did, and the day before we had briefly talked about going to visit Peter Woll in Warden. Anyway, I was wondering how your experience has been since having the nails removed? For myself, the wounds from the nail removal are mostly healed and I removed the sutures two days ago, but as far as walking is concerned, my right leg seems to be talking longer to get back to normal i.e. maximum knee flexion is about 115 degrees whereas for the left leg I can flex the knee until my heel hits my butt. On the one hand, this is not entirely surprising since during the LL period, my right leg was always stiffer and more problematic than my left leg. Also, its been less than 2 weeks since the nails were removed so perhaps I'm being overly optimistic about how long it takes for both legs to regain the flexibility they had prior to having the nails removed. I'd say right now my left leg flexibility is about 90% back to pre-surgery levels but my right leg is about 50%. How would you rate your flexibility on both legs so far?
Hey AtlasSearching!
Sorry, I had read your post 3 months ago but forgot to answer it.
My flexibility was back to 100% pretty fast.
How are you feeling these days?
It will be interesting for others on this forum to hear if you are still struggling or not , since you lengthened so much (10cm if I remember right).
Looking back, I can't believe you actually drove your rental car to Peter Woll on that same day after the nail removal surgery. These painkillers did a good job on you, right?
Take care,
OBG
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Could ller can jogging on thread mill for 1hour when rod still inside?
Could ller do abs work out for 1 hour ?
Could ller do t25 work out for 1 hour when rod inside?
do you think all of these activities will effect rod ,screws or fractures?
This is my routine for keeping my good shape (177cmwith65kg)
After i do ll in this july2015 i still want to do work out continuously for life .if i didnt make a lot of work out ,i would going fat quockly.
Yes, you can absolutely do all of these exercises.
Of course, depending on what stage of LL you are in. It is obvious that you are not able to jog a few weeks after lengthening.
Also, a lot depends on how much you lengthen.
All these activities are good for bone growth, but might bend/break screws or even nails.
You may be lucky or not. Nobody can tell you before...
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OBG have you notced any difference in the way you move, walk and run?
You biomechanics must have changed now that your femurs are longer, how does it feel compared to before the surgery?
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OBG have you notced any difference in the way you move, walk and run?
You biomechanics must have changed now that your femurs are longer, how does it feel compared to before the surgery?
Is there any shift of anatomical axis?
I' ve heard that it'll lead to premature archiritis.
From your suggestion if i still want to do femur for 6 cm an tibia 4.5 cm which one first in ur opinion ?
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Is there any shift of anatomical axis?
I' ve heard that it'll lead to premature archiritis.
From your suggestion if i still want to do femur for 6 cm an tibia 4.5 cm which one first in ur opinion ?
My suggestion: forget about doing 2 LL.
You've got to be crazy to even think about doing this twice to your body...
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My suggestion: forget about doing 2 LL.
You've got to be crazy to even think about doing this twice to your body...
Totally agree with OBG. I'm still on the short side after LL, but could never see myself going through this kind of torture again. I'd rather just do yoga/pilates until I die if I want an extra inch that badly. I can't imagine the long-term damage I may have already done to myself...
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My suggestion: forget about doing 2 LL.
You've got to be crazy to even think about doing this twice to your body...
Then what is the best solution for me?
Femur 6 cm
or Tibia 5 cm
How about anatomical axis's shift for femurr?
But if i go with Tibia (LATN) there are some risk for permanent knee pain?
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OBG do you think a person can pull off 7.5cm and recover in 6 months time back to normal? Why did you suggest for a person not to do LL if they are content with all aspects in their life except height? Didn't you say initially that it brought you happiness, I.e. Fun with lady who was 5'9" and 20 years your junior?
Are you hiding any facts from us about you recovery? Are you really back to 90% or is it less?
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OBG do you think a person can pull off 7.5cm and recover in 6 months time back to normal? Why did you suggest for a person not to do LL if they are content with all aspects in their life except height? Didn't you say initially that it brought you happiness, I.e. Fun with lady who was 5'9" and 20 years your junior?
Are you hiding any facts from us about you recovery? Are you really back to 90% or is it less?
I am not hiding anything. I have always stated all my complications. Still having trouble with my right IT-band, I have mentioned that a hundred times.
I never stated that I am back to 90%, don´t know where you got this number from. Please don´t post in a way as if you were citing/quoting me if it is not correct (no offense ;)).
Also, if you like numbers, you must make a difference between recovery in terms of walking, running, athletic sports etc. etc. etc.
The percentage of recovery will be different for each discipline.
Walking is 100% normal, running/speed might be 80% but I can´t say for sure. My level in tennis might be 70% of before.
Skiing and snowboarding is back to 100%, LL does not affect these sports.
Jumping is no problem, either. Even jumping down from a wall.
Cheers
OBG
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Walking is 100% normal, running/speed might be 80% but I can´t say for sure. My level in tennis might be 70% of before.
Skiing and snowboarding is back to 100%, LL does not affect these sports.
Jumping is no problem, either. Even jumping down from a wall.
Cheers
OBG
Sucks about the tennis but good think about the skiing. I love skiing, couldn't live without it.
OBG, if you don't mind me asking, is it strange having longer legs?
Like what's the difference, what does it feel like?
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I love skiing too. I hope to God I can get back to doing black diamonds :) Another reason OBG was one of my biggest inspirations.
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Anyone here knows anyone who has done 2LL?
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Plenty have--Greekster, Apotheosis/SysOp, Crazy +6, and Morpheus are a few. Sweden is also looking into doing another round.
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Plenty have--Greekster, Apotheosis/SysOp, Crazy +6, and Morpheus are a few. Sweden is also looking into doing another round.
Thank you:)
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any updates
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Update:
It´s been 3 years since my op. I am doing fine.
Athletic recovery is around 99%, but I only lengthened very little (something around 5,7 to 5,9cm, i don´t know exactly) so i don´t know if athletic recovery is possible -in terms of 99%- if you lengthen 8cm.
It all depends on many different factors. Age, dedication, genes, body type, etc etc etc.
One guy -here or in the old forum- made some kind of LL compendium , trying to establish some kind of statistics about good and bad outcome of LL patients. He put me in the "bad outcome" department. This is ridiculous. My outcome is good, if you look at it from a medical standpoint. I was lucky. My complications were minor, compared to what happened to others and compared to what can happen in general.
My pre-LL-problems were mostly in my head, and LL cannot solve this (in most cases). So, maybe this guy who did the statistics chose to put too much emphasis on negative posts of mine that don´t have anything to do with the medical/physical outcome.
I generally advise against LL.
If you think this is your very last option and you are about to kill yourself, ok, do it.
But don´t expect to be happy after LL. This is rarely likely if you have been unhappy pre-LL (exceptions always exist, of course).
If you are an unhappy person, you are an unhappy person, a few centimeters more won´t fix that.
I am glad that I did the op, but I am still an unhappy person. This is my nature and the circumstances of my life.
But maybe my case is different. I did LL at 45 and I was pretty ok until then. Well: I must correct, I was pretty ok until 41 or 42. It was then when I realized that you cannot easily start all over again at that age, e.g. realizing you should have been an artist and ended up as a lawyer. Or the other way round.
So maybe, if you are young and do LL and you are unhappy, maybe LL can actually help you to become a happy person. I don´t know. Each person is unique , each case is different, each one has his/her own complications.
But, LL should be the very last remedy. Before, try everything else. You have got to realize that -doing LL- you finally and unchangeably decide to not accept the body that was given to you. This can be a huge burden for the rest of your life.
It all comes down to a very simple logic:
1. If you are happy, don´t do LL. You risk many things and you lose important things. What for? You are already happy, so stay happy and make the best out of your life.
2. If you are unhappy, chances are that you will stay unhappy after LL, just being a few centimeters taller. But maybe you are an exception and LL will actually affect your happiness. Nobody knows...
To all those who think they will have better chances with women: Your personality weighs way more than just a few centimeters. So, if you do it, do it for yourself and not for women.
Peace
OBG
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Thanks for the update OBG.
I share many of your sentiments regarding life post LL. I did 7cm on my femurs to become 170cm+ and the only difference between who I was as a person 6 months ago vs now is that I no longer think about height.
Many of the guys here are delusional about the effects of LL, that they'll get the women of their dreams, solve all their social issues, make a higher salary, etc. Sorry to say that nothing really changes except your mental condition. LL is like having a lot of money, it will make you less sad but will not make you happy.
I don't regret doing LL and giving up half a year of my life because I cured my height neurosis. However, that's about the only thing that has changed.
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You say now recovery is 99%.
1 year ago you said:
"Walking is 100% normal, running/speed might be 80% but I can´t say for sure. My level in tennis might be 70% of before.
Skiing and snowboarding is back to 100%, LL does not affect these sports.
Jumping is no problem, either. Even jumping down from a wall.
Cheers
OBG"
So I assume that has improved in the meantime?
Did you have other problems like temporary hair loss because of medication and post-surgery trauma?
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I don't regret doing LL and giving up half a year of my life because I cured my height neurosis. However, that's about the only thing that has changed.
Well, that's not too bad, I think. I don't know what people here expect from this operation, but I certainly know, that I won't be happier afterwards.
I simply don't want to think about being too small compared to the average guy in this country where I live anymore.
That's all.
(btw, when I lived in Japan for a year, I never even thought about being to small. And that felt good to me. So I guess, doing LL will "cure that" problem for me.)
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You say now recovery is 99%.
1 year ago you said:
"Walking is 100% normal, running/speed might be 80% but I can´t say for sure. My level in tennis might be 70% of before.
Skiing and snowboarding is back to 100%, LL does not affect these sports.
Jumping is no problem, either. Even jumping down from a wall.
Cheers
OBG"
So I assume that has improved in the meantime?
Did you have other problems like temporary hair loss because of medication and post-surgery trauma?
1. Yes, i has improved.
2. No.
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Oldie, we should play tennis sometime. Hope you're well friend! :D
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You say now recovery is 99%.
1 year ago you said:
"Walking is 100% normal, running/speed might be 80% but I can´t say for sure. My level in tennis might be 70% of before.
Skiing and snowboarding is back to 100%, LL does not affect these sports.
Jumping is no problem, either. Even jumping down from a wall.
Cheers
OBG"
So I assume that has improved in the meantime?
Did you have other problems like temporary hair loss because of medication and post-surgery trauma?
Axelf, I have hair loss during LL, which I don't know yet if it's temporary (hopefully) or permanent, probably mostly due to lack of sleep and anxiety.
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Hello OBG, I think your recovery is great and I agree with you that nobody should do LL, unless as a very last resort. I'm in my early 40s and just finished LL with Dr.G with a gain of 5.1cm. I'm learning to restore my ability to walk now and I'm wondering how can you walk without crutches after stop clicking within just five days? What did you do everyday after stop clicking? I've stopped clicking for almost a week, but I can only walk very slowly with crutches. I do exercises everyday but knees are still stiff and I have pain here and there on my legs and hips.
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Axelf, I have hair loss during LL, which I don't know yet if it's temporary (hopefully) or permanent, probably mostly due to lack of sleep and anxiety.
how much loss are we talking about? and did it happen right after surgery or did it take some time?
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how much loss are we talking about? and did it happen right after surgery or did it take some time?
I think I lost about 5% of my hair. It's quite noticable in the mirror. It took a while after the surgery and I don't think it's the direct effect of the surgery. Rather it's more with the stress and ther deprivation of sleeping during LL. My level of stress has reduced greatly and my sleeping has been gradually getting better after LL. And it seems my hair loss slows down.
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Update:
It´s been 3 years since my op. I am doing fine.
Athletic recovery is around 99%, but I only lengthened very little (something around 5,7 to 5,9cm, i don´t know exactly) so i don´t know if athletic recovery is possible -in terms of 99%- if you lengthen 8cm.
It all depends on many different factors. Age, dedication, genes, body type, etc etc etc.
One guy -here or in the old forum- made some kind of LL compendium , trying to establish some kind of statistics about good and bad outcome of LL patients. He put me in the "bad outcome" department. This is ridiculous. My outcome is good, if you look at it from a medical standpoint. I was lucky. My complications were minor, compared to what happened to others and compared to what can happen in general.
My pre-LL-problems were mostly in my head, and LL cannot solve this (in most cases). So, maybe this guy who did the statistics chose to put too much emphasis on negative posts of mine that don´t have anything to do with the medical/physical outcome.
I generally advise against LL.
If you think this is your very last option and you are about to kill yourself, ok, do it.
But don´t expect to be happy after LL. This is rarely likely if you have been unhappy pre-LL (exceptions always exist, of course).
If you are an unhappy person, you are an unhappy person, a few centimeters more won´t fix that.
I am glad that I did the op, but I am still an unhappy person. This is my nature and the circumstances of my life.
But maybe my case is different. I did LL at 45 and I was pretty ok until then. Well: I must correct, I was pretty ok until 41 or 42. It was then when I realized that you cannot easily start all over again at that age, e.g. realizing you should have been an artist and ended up as a lawyer. Or the other way round.
So maybe, if you are young and do LL and you are unhappy, maybe LL can actually help you to become a happy person. I don´t know. Each person is unique , each case is different, each one has his/her own complications.
But, LL should be the very last remedy. Before, try everything else. You have got to realize that -doing LL- you finally and unchangeably decide to not accept the body that was given to you. This can be a huge burden for the rest of your life.
It all comes down to a very simple logic:
1. If you are happy, don´t do LL. You risk many things and you lose important things. What for? You are already happy, so stay happy and make the best out of your life.
2. If you are unhappy, chances are that you will stay unhappy after LL, just being a few centimeters taller. But maybe you are an exception and LL will actually affect your happiness. Nobody knows...
To all those who think they will have better chances with women: Your personality weighs way more than just a few centimeters. So, if you do it, do it for yourself and not for women.
Peace
OBG
Is the 99% including explosiveness? because you mentioned earlier that explosiveness is significantly decreased following limb lengthening.
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Hello OBG, I think your recovery is great and I agree with you that nobody should do LL, unless as a very last resort. I'm in my early 40s and just finished LL with Dr.G with a gain of 5.1cm. I'm learning to restore my ability to walk now and I'm wondering how can you walk without crutches after stop clicking within just five days? What did you do everyday after stop clicking? I've stopped clicking for almost a week, but I can only walk very slowly with crutches. I do exercises everyday but knees are still stiff and I have pain here and there on my legs and hips.
I don´t remember that time very well, it´s more than 3 years ago. But I know I didn´t do anything special, no special exercise etc.
I do remember, though, that I already did a little bit of walking during my last weeks of lengthening. Not very wise though, it puts a lot of stress and pressure on the nails.
Of course, my walking was very ugly. And very painful. I just tried to walk as much as I could even if it was just a few meters in the beginning.
Please don´t think I had a miraculous recovery. I did not. Also, I lengthened way less than others.
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Is the 99% including explosiveness? because you mentioned earlier that explosiveness is significantly decreased following limb lengthening.
No, explosiveness is less. Hard to say, percentage-wise.
Also, in my case it´s getting extremely difficult to say whether my power and explosiveness is still decreased by LL or because I am getting old
(turning 50 in two years). There comes a point in every sportman´s life where you have to accept that things are slowly going downhill. In your late 40ies you can only stop that by working out and training every day like a madman, sleeping good and eating only the best stuff you can get.
I prefer to enjoy life, so, of course, I am not as fast and explosive any more. That´s life...
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Oldie, we should play tennis sometime. Hope you're well friend! :D
Sure, come to Berlin! ;)
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Why you actually went to Betz for LL?
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Why you actually went to Betz for LL?
Because he is not a bad doctor. He had complications but that's mainly because he did alot and I mean A LOT of cosmetic LL so he had bad cases as well.
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Because he is not a bad doctor. He had complications but that's mainly because he did alot and I mean A LOT of cosmetic LL so he had bad cases as well.
Imho his convincing to do ridicilous amounts of lengthening are bigger red flag for me.
But i'm asking only from pure curiosity.
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Thank you for sharing your experiences and uploading these videos. :)
They give me so much hope for my own way.
Greets
Alex
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Because he is not a bad doctor. He had complications but that's mainly because he did alot and I mean A LOT of cosmetic LL so he had bad cases as well.
Problem isn't about number of bad cases but dishonest behavior. Many red flags to be ignored...
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You live in germany right?(atleast thats what i remember)How do you feel as a 179 guy in a tall country like germany?
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Hey guys,
somebody sent me personal message and I thought I might as well answer in the forum so everyone can read question and answer.
Here comes the question:
"Sorry to bother you. I know LL must feel like a long time ago and this is probably the last thing you want to think about right now. But if you do see this email, I really need to get your opinion on something.
First, I want to thank you for taking the time to keep a journal and posting your experiences on the forums. I know it can be frustrating to have to defend yourself against people who are extremely biased/don't know what they are talking about. Nevertheless, you have helped many of us (including myself) by giving us an inside look on the whole LL process and giving us the knowledge to make better decisions.
I am seriously contemplating on the femur surgery with Dr. Betz for the femur surgery and one of my biggest concerns with internal LL or any type of LL is the long-term complications. I am not talking about things like infections, broken nails & screws, non-union, nerve & blood vessel damage, pre-mature consolidation. I understand there is a risk with any type of procedure, but with an experienced surgeon like Dr. Betz, these risks can be minimized. What I am concerned is about are long term effects on your body once you are fully recovered. I am referring to things like tightness in your muscles (flexion contracture), back pains, arthritis and etc. I would think that because you are stretching your nerves, blood vessels, and muscles/tendons by such a large extent, you would run into these problems.
Have you had any problems since consolidation & recovery? It would be great if you could share your knowledge and thoughts on this. I know this is something I should discuss with the doctor, but it would be great to get a third-person’s (past patient’s) thoughts on this matter."
Here comes my answer: The only minor problems that I am having are minor pains in both of my knees but there is no way of knowing whether this pain has anything to do with LL or not. You must all keep in mind that I`m almost 50 years old and I have doing sports on a highly competetive level for around 30 years, among these sports being football (soccer), tennis, skiing , snowboarding and many others. Anybody who has been doing this for 30 years or more can be sure that he or she has fked his body more or less. Additionally I have had severe accidents in the past where my knees got damaged as well. These pains are not really bothering me very much.
Right now I do any sport I like and my endurance is more or less like it was before LL. I can ski all day, snowboard all day , hike up the mountain all day, dance through the whole night until dawn etc.etc.
So far my answer.
But apart from the -relatively- positive outcome I have had I advise against LL.
I know it is hard, but just try to accept your body as it is.
Don´t choose tall guys as your role-model. Choose short or super-short guys which walk happily through life with lots of charisma. Talk to them, even tell them honestly about your problem and ask them how they handle it. Remember: it´s all in your head.
There are ways to treat this problem and if you can overcome it you will be strong for the rest or your life.
Also remember that you are irreversibly changing the physiognomy of your body. If you are already thin and lean, your legs are gonna be even thinner and leaner and it will be difficult to add a lot of muscle because the muscles are so stretched. It is at least possible that you will not like this aspect of LL.
If LL is your very last resort, ok. But everything else is better.
Peace
OBG
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Can you elaborate further why?
Thanks. I always like your posts.
I advise against LL.
I know it is hard, but just try to accept your body as it is.
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short update: no pain, no problem, no nothing.
I just won a regional senior tennis tournament last weekend. First prize-money of my life! I did not win because my tennis is so great, I won because I outrun my opponents. Cheers!
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How awesome is that. Congratulations! BUTut spend the prize money more.cleverly than Boris Becker, hahA :) So do you feel 100% comfortable with your biomechanics now, with the longer femurs?
Are there any exwrcises that you cannot do due to the longer femurs?
short update: no pain, no problem, no nothing.
I just won a regional senior tennis tournament last weekend. First prize-money of my life! I did not win because my tennis is so great, I won because I outrun my opponents. Cheers!
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Yes. 100% comfortable.
No exercises that I can´t do.
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Great that you are almost 100%. That gives us hope!
I also find that running has been my biggest challenge but I can see it is improving. So it is good to know that you had the same problem but you arrived at almost 100% pre LL running speed.
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I think this is the most confusing diary / case of LL...
I was overwhelmed to see the end result of OBG, a normal looking walking, even running (normally looking!), even extreme sport!!
Im at 35 not sure i am able to do all these agility sport manuvers and ive never had ll !
at first its a major boost to motivation of considering the operation.
BUT,
He does make very good point about the aftermath, considering all aspects of life, not only the CM gain to stature.
I suppose some things in life can only be learnt by actual experiencing them. like climbing a long ladder (of life), the higher u climb the more of the view you see, and understand the bigger picture.
I specifically lingered and thought about OBGs remark about thinking of short-successful guys as role models.
I actually pretty much certein that even the most successful of them, would admit that amidst their normal-good-happy life, they'd here and there suffer from the thought of being short and the unfairness of the cards theyve been dealt.
I think OBG is very intelligent, definitely made me think deeper.
wishing you all the best, finding your happiness!
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Interesting question is ,his results if he would made it with bigger amount of cm
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Interesting question is ,his results if he would made it with bigger amount of cm
Agreed!
And I would say at your current height of 178 a more reasonable goal is 6 cm femur, which would make you 184, max 185.
That is save.
I did 5, from 181 to 186.
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Agreed!
And I would say at your current height of 178 a more reasonable goal is 6 cm femur, which would make you 184, max 185.
That is save.
I did 5, from 181 to 186.
yup,i will try 6 or 7 at most ,safety is first but sometimes thoughts about 8 cm make me crazy ;D
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But apart from the -relatively- positive outcome I have had I advise against LL.
I know it is hard, but just try to accept your body as it is.
Don´t choose tall guys as your role-model. Choose short or super-short guys which walk happily through life with lots of charisma. Talk to them, even tell them honestly about your problem and ask them how they handle it. Remember: it´s all in your head.
There are ways to treat this problem and if you can overcome it you will be strong for the rest or your life.
Also remember that you are irreversibly changing the physiognomy of your body. If you are already thin and lean, your legs are gonna be even thinner and leaner and it will be difficult to add a lot of muscle because the muscles are so stretched. It is at least possible that you will not like this aspect of LL.
If LL is your very last resort, ok. But everything else is better.
You are probably right, but it is still hard to take in, specially considering the story you posted in this same thread about the "model" girl.
The majority of straight women only require you to be just about their height when they're looking for a very serious relationship - generally when they're older. The other, the minority, doesn't have height as a deal breaker when looking for a serious relationship; they generally care more about other things, like your intelligence, financial stability, how well you click, and your emotional support instead.
I think having LL for others is wrong. But it's undeniable that you increase your possible partner pool a lot until you get to about 175cm, which I feel is the main cutoff point. Women above that height are probably open to dating men around their height, and none of them would reject "marriage material" just because the person is a tiny bit shorter. I'd say 180cm is the final cutoff point and no one around (178+) that height should do LL, unless they're doing it exclusively for themselves. Any woman above 180cm is already used or unopposed to dating shorter men.
I intend to get LL for myself someday. I'm not particularly interested in significant others who care so much about something like that. You never know when you'll be confined into a wheelchair because of any random accident. There goes over half of your height. I only want to feel better about myself. With that said, I'm making this post because it's also easy to see the benefits a lot of people see from doing LL.
Who knows, though - I'm quite young. Maybe I'll completely agree with you when I hit your age. Maybe I'll regret LL. Still, such is life. This is my opinion at the current moment in time.
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Oldiebutgoldie, first of all thank you very much for sharing your experience with LL.i have read your diary carefully and it helped me learning more about LL. I look forward to do LL with Betz next Year in 2018.
I am in my middle 30s and just thought about the „happy“ thing you wrote. The LL has risks ,no question.And I am ready to take it or not. If it goes wrong of course it was not worth. But let us say the Surgery and lengthening etc worked well like yours.
I don’t think that a few cm more can make out of me a happy person. Because happiness is a general term and to be happy needs a lot more than to be tall. Otherwise every tall guy would be happy, singing and dancing all the time.but But i will have one problem less in my life. but all other problems or fights we have to fight in life will stay. I don’t expect miracles from LL but if Iam a few cm taller I will be maybe more confident and satisfied with my self.and these are just little parts of happiness. It means a lot to me not to be always the shortest guy in the room. To be normal height is what I want . But normal doesn’t make a person automatically happy. My wife told me once : after your LL I don’t want to hear anything criticizing in your life !“ I said stop,youre crazy! I will be the same guy with the same problems. Maybe just not that uncomfortable as before with my height. I will be just normal and not Superman!
The LL surgery is a big risky thing and expensive. That’s maybe why we expect so much and are disappointed after we check we are the same actually. I have read in many diary’s „ I don’t realize anymore that I am taller , it feels like I was always this height „. I think we take the risk not to be happy but not be unhappy..
I know it’s easy to say all this without going through LL , I respect what you did a lot 💪and I think you did it right.
Best wishes and hope to start next year my diary
MC
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Hey MC,
I dońt know if you read this because your post is 7 months old. I haveńt been on this forum for almost a year now.
But I wanted to thank you for your post even if my thank you comes a bit late.
Here comes a (very short) summary of what is going on in my life:
I dońt think about my height at all any more.
Other things are much more important.
I do lots of sports, I play a lot of tennis , I play senior tournaments (turned 50 in march) , I am not the best tennis player but I am probably faster and fitter than anybody else on the court.
Please, keep in mind that I only lengthened something like 5cm or a little bit more. That makes a huge difference compared to, for example, 7 or even 8 (!!) centimeters.
I dońt want to repeat all the things I have posted so many times, but -ok- once again: Happiness is not about height! Try all other things before you undergo this invasive surgery. Take a look at some super-short super-happy dudes!! Or super-thin super-happy ones. Or at people who might have lost an arm, a limb or whatever, but still smiling from inside.
If you absolutely have to do this, ok. Go ahead, but listen to your body. Lengthen slowly. If you are already of average height, dońt get greedy.
If you are very much into sports, try to lengthen as little as possible, then you will get back to the same level you had before, no doubt.
Ok, there was nothing new in this post, sorry. Just wanted to let you know that I am perfectly ok and pretty much convinced that there are not going to be any long-term complications (at least not in my case because of only 5cm, dońt know about others who lengthened more...).
peace
OBG
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Nice update!
And yes, a sensible lengthening with a good doctor play the most significant role on LL.
Good job Goldie. Keep strong!
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Nice to see you still kicking around.
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I love this Diary, Its awesome a 45 Year old done this and recovered so well. Did you see the guy sprinting?
Fantastic!
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Well OldieButGoldie when watching your videos on Youtube is amazing in a way.
But...
You have comments that say you did not LL. That you are a promoter of Dr. Betz
Below I quote some comments:
Maurizio B
1 year ago
Betz`s patient.It's fake.Just a normal guy running.No LL
Maurizio B
1 year ago
Just a promoter of Betz. Fake video. It is just a normal guy running
No LL
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@ Trevor P.: who are you? is your comment a joke?
1. I cannot find the comment you quoted („one year ago“). It does not exist. Why are you making up bull ?
2. If you had read my diary you would have realized that I am not a promoter of Dr. Betz, I am quite the opposite. I am against this operation/procedure and I strongly advise against it.
3. I am not a „success“ story. I had complications. I stopped lengthening at 5cm because I got scared of everything that was happening to me and my body.
Itś not a big deal to run again after a certain time, if you have been a very sporty and active person all your life and when you have lengthened only 5cm.
A troll entering my diary 5 years after my operation? This troll at the same time being the firstone to doubt that I am who I am? With all these videos (and you can even see my face)?
WTF ??
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@Trevor P. again: sorry for my harsh words. I just realized you cited a youtube comment. I was looking for the cited comment in my diary...
Well, I dońt care what some idiot comments on youtube, there are so many haters in this world.
Again, there is nothing „amazing“ about my videos. Anybody who has been extremely active in sports (like I was) and who lengthens „only“ 5cm and trains very hard after the op would be at the same level 15 months after the op.
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I'm not a troll, I'm just saying what I saw without more. It was in some Youtube video.
I am a person who is looking to do this procedure looking 5-6cm for the same as you, not losing the athletic ability that I have now.
I am less than 30 years old and I would not like to spend the rest of my days in poor condition.
I think all this is understandable.
I am from a European country, but I do not speak English, sorry if something is not understood.
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Well, as I have already said: if you do only 5cm , and you train very hard, you will get back to the same level that you had before (or almost, maybe with a neglectable slight difference).
If you do 6cm, thatś already one cm more, it may already make a difference.
It may or it may not.
Nobody can foresee the future...
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Well, as I have already said: if you do only 5cm , and you train very hard, you will get back to the same level that you had before (or almost, maybe with a neglectable slight difference).
If you do 6cm, thatś already one cm more, it may already make a difference.
It may or it may not.
Nobody can foresee the future...
you are without a question the best recovered LL patient i have seen. You are one of the biggest reason i am not doing more than 6cm or 6.5cm femur. Whats the point of height if you can't enjoy activities you love and enjoy life till the fullest.
All the others who claim to have recovered over 90% like ShyShy, AndrewShizzles seems to have lost most of their explosiveness. Like when accelerating from stand still to max speed. When I watch ShyShy video I see a man using his upper body and his arms excessively to propel the rest of the body. That is not how you run. You run with your legs providing the initial momentum / push and your arms are supplementing.
Just goes to the show the lesser lengthening you do, the better you will recover. At same time its really sad how Apotheosis/Shahn/SysOp after doing 20 cm claims he is playing sports at high competitive level. It must be chess or something static, even table tennis demands quick leg movements.
One thing I dont understand is, during the diary your lengthening amount went from over 6 cm to 5.9 then 5.7cm and now 5 cm? which is it?
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So ,what would you advice for a guy who is 23 years old and in 178-179 cm area,make 5 or 6 on femurs?
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Are you kidding me???
Do not do it at all!!!
You are tall enough!
Go see a psychiatrist/psychologist. Let a professional help you if you cannot get it out of your mind.
And , if you finally decide to do this (which would be crazy) just do 5cm.
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you are without a question the best recovered LL patient i have seen. You are one of the biggest reason i am not doing more than 6cm or 6.5cm femur. Whats the point of height if you can't enjoy activities you love and enjoy life till the fullest.
All the others who claim to have recovered over 90% like ShyShy, AndrewShizzles seems to have lost most of their explosiveness. Like when accelerating from stand still to max speed. When I watch ShyShy video I see a man using his upper body and his arms excessively to propel the rest of the body. That is not how you run. You run with your legs providing the initial momentum / push and your arms are supplementing.
Just goes to the show the lesser lengthening you do, the better you will recover. At same time its really sad how Apotheosis/Shahn/SysOp after doing 20 cm claims he is playing sports at high competitive level. It must be chess or something static, even table tennis demands quick leg movements.
One thing I dont understand is, during the diary your lengthening amount went from over 6 cm to 5.9 then 5.7cm and now 5 cm? which is it?
I dońt remember to EVER have claimed that I did 6cm or more.
It was never measured exactly, but I am sure it must be 5, something.
Whatś the point about if it is, 5,3 or 5,5 or 5,1 cm ??
Guys, dońt be so obsessed with numbers...
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I read your posts and how one can be happy without doing this. But since you're done it already and come out fully normal, do you really wish to go back in time and not do it?
WOuld it acceptable for you to be 2 inches shorter, now that you have seen what it feels like to be 2 inches taller?
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I read your posts and how one can be happy without doing this.
Just look around. Look at friends of yours who are short but happy. Look out at a party for short guys who laugh and who are happy. You can find short happy people EVERYWHERE.
And you can find tall UNHAPPY people everywhere.
And you can find fat happy people everywhere.
And slim unhappy people.
And so on an so on.
Wake up !!
Itś all in your mind.
Height is NOT the key to happiness.
Try to learn to be happy that you have a healthy functioning body!!
Dońt waste your precious time with this.
This is my final statement.
Over and out.
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Hi, OBG,
I did 5.2cm, Betzbone, from 170cm to 175cm, on 2018-12-13.
Now It's almost 3 months. Still long way to go.
We are very likely to hear about your news on the 6th anniversay that's coming. Anything interesting to tell us about your life?
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Hey ... OldiebutGoldie , how are things .. it's been sometime.. can you give us an update?
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Hi, OBG,
You are always being my inspiration through the whole process. The hardest time has been far away for me. In my 6th month, Betz told me I could run and jump after he had examined my X-rays. But I am a conservative guy, so I put off those exercises until my 8th month. Then Betz saw my 8th month X-rays again and ensured me that I could be able to do all those jump and running, even sports.
Again, I said I am conservative. So I kept increasing my intensiveness of my activities step by step day after day. Now I can walk like 5 km without a rest as well as do some slight jumping and short distance running. October 15th will be my 10th month. By that day, I hope I could run as the way you did in your video.
Also hope to hear from you. Let us know your latest news. :-)
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Hey Wangchaoan.
I sent you a private message.
Which nail diameter did you get?
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Hey there boys and girls!
So, Germany is in “lockdown” because of corona, everyone is spending hours and hours at home, me too, and
-being tired of Netflix and all these conspiracy theories about corona-
I finally ended up checking in on here, after a looooooong long time.
First of all: I am fine. I do have some issues with my right knee and hip , but I do not blame LL for it, I suppose the reasons for these issues can rather be found in an severe accident that I had a long time ago, which had completely crashed my right knee and -moreover-these issues also have to do with doing sports like Tennis, soccer, skiing , snowboarding for more than 40 years now, partly in a quite competitive level. That alone takes a toll on everybody’s body.
These issues get on my nerve sometimes but they are not really severe, I can still do all the sports that I like and I can still snowboard in powder 8 hours in a row (of course, also due to the fact that freeriding in powder is the greatest thing one can do 8 hours in a row, given the fact that most sexual intercourses do not last longer than 8 minutes...).
Second: I can say that I am completely cured from height neurosis.
I never, I repeat, absolutely NEVER have the thought of wanting to be taller now. Quite the opposite: If I HAD to choose today between being 4cm taller or shorter I would choose shorter, 100%. This might surprise readers in this forum. I will try to explain: I am not a “big guy” with a big frame. In my opinion, attractiveness first and foremost derives from your character, aura, self-esteem , how you present yourself, being authentic etc etc etc.
But Of course, there is also the physical aspect (much less important). For me, physical attractiveness is not dependent on being tall. If you are 170, e.g., as a man , in a country like Germany, you are short, but if you have a good build, both men and women will think of you as attractive. Sure , some women will say they would not date a man shorter than they are, but even these women might suddenly be blown away by someone “short” but with an incredible personality that everything else does not matter any more.
For these of you who have DONE this procedure and who are in recovery: stay strong, it takes time, but in the very end everything goes back to normal (unluckily not for the 10% who will have permanent damage).
For those of you who have NOT done it but think about doing it: do NOT do it.
Your body is perfect for you the way it is. If you wanna be more muscular, work out. If you want to be more attractive: WORK ON YOUR MINDSET!!!
It is all in your head! Try to get psychological help, height neurosis can be cured without LL.
Take a look at these happy or charismatic short people among your friends.
Be happy with what you have: a healthy , functioning body. Do not fk your body up (there is a 10% chance that it happens).
I know, this is not the most sophisticated post ever made, but english is not my native language and I could say things much more eloquently in german.
But I will be happy if this post made one single person here think twice.
peace, OBG
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great post! especially needed when some surgeons have started offering this surgery like candy. Many surgeons being quiet short themselves and selling this surgery like candy to clients.
but life is not so simple that u can see other happy people and learn from them. every one is different both mentally and physically. doing the surgery and not doing it are both decisions to take and live with the consequences of.
life is not perfect, we have to make with what we get: either some long lasting dissatisfaction of being short or the long lasting physcial limitations from surgery. It is not trivial to simply forget the height dissatisfaction and move on just like its not trivial to just forget any physical limitations one might get from the surgery and move on.
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Wise words on the OG himself. glad to hear you're good OBG.
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Thanks for the answer.
Well, I do not suggest to just “forget about height dissatisfaction and move on”. I suggest to work hard on the mindset, by using all kind of help which is available. I am sure, many sessions with a really good psychologist will help. Also, being open about this issue with all your good and close friends (both sexes) will help because you will see THEIR perspective (we are always caught in our own small world).
Also, participating in all kind of workshops that help to develop your personality will help.
Meditate.
Find inner peace.
I repeat: look around for short charismatic people among your friends. Approach them with your issue. Ask them how THEY deal with it and how it can be that it doesn’t seem to be any problem for them. You might be surprised about the answers you will hear.
Be extremely open about this mental problem you have.
The more you attack it, talk about it, the more you will understand the mechanisms that take place in our brains.
It is possible to get cured from this but it takes a lot of effort.
In the end it all comes down to loving yourself exactly the way you are, no matter if it is short, super-tall (very frustrating for many men and women), fat, thin, whatever.
Not just accepting yourself, really loving yourself. It is possible to learn this. Long hard process.
If you manage to love yourself exactly the way you are, everything else will follow.
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Well, 2018-12 to 2020-07, it's been around 1.5 years. Everything goes well. Daily walking is 95% ( my girlfriend never noticed anything wrong with my walking), rarely jumping but I know I can jump well, sometimes jogging and feeling good. It's normal for me to go upstairs and downstairs quickly and 2 steps by 2 steps. Just one thing, tendons around my knees are still tight if I bend my knees and stretch my upper legs backwards. Anyway, things are getting better day after day. If there is a recovery rate, I bet it be 0.01%. That is, after the first fast recovery year, it will be like only 3.5% recovery for the following every year. You will be completely normal someday. Believe it.
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Every since the week I discovered LL and found your diary as well as your statements about "don't do LL" I can't stop thinking about your words. I don't know what to think. I really wonder if a dude was truly truly short and not 173 like you, but instead like 160 or 165, if you would still strongly tell them to not do it. You do have wise words, and it might be in our heads, but I honestly don't know what to think.
I don't know what to think anymore. Your words resonate, but so does my desire to be taller and lose the neurosis. Don't know. What to think. Or do.
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Hi OBG,
Do you think that doing 5cm femur Strydes will still be worth the risk these days if you do everything right? Do you think with the improvement in the nails and just knowing more about the procedure versus in 2013 that the risk these days could still be worth it? Would you have more confidence in getting this surgery now than if you had done it in 2013? Thanks for sharing your thoughts and your journey with us.
-brondo
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Only one suggestion, keep in mind that never over lengthening.
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If you are under 170cm, it's worth a try.
If you are over 175cm, not quite neccessary.
If you are from 170-175cm, it all depends on your finacial situation and your desire.
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hey guys whats up
just had a glass of wine too much (or two ) and checked in on here
people still doing this crazy op?
obviously yes.
and will continue to do.
invest your money into something else.
life is not about height.
peace
over and out
OBG
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Welcome back OBG. Your post-op skiing videos were one of the things that convinced me to do the surgery lol.
It's great being taller, but I agree.. doing the surgery makes you realize that height isn't that important.
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I second this, save that half-of-a-house deposit money. hit the gym, 8cms in femurs people notice you're a bit disproportionate so you got to have thick skin to take the looking and people noticing you did this surgery, specially since it has become very main stream now...
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I second this, save that half-of-a-house deposit money. hit the gym, 8cms in femurs people notice you're a bit disproportionate so you got to have thick skin to take the looking and people noticing you did this surgery, specially since it has become very main stream now...
Is it really that noticeable? A lot of people here say that for 7 cm it isn't.
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I second this, save that half-of-a-house deposit money. hit the gym, 8cms in femurs people notice you're a bit disproportionate so you got to have thick skin to take the looking and people noticing you did this surgery, specially since it has become very main stream now...
@movie strongly disagree, going from 1.67 to 176 via LL myself is the best thing that ever could have happened to me. oldiebutgoldie was not small (1.73) before he did the surgery, so obviously he has not gone through what actuall short people go through in life.
I agree that with 8cm in femurs you proportions will be off, but that is something you should have accounted for beforehand.
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Move along then!
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I second this, save that half-of-a-house deposit money. hit the gym, 8cms in femurs people notice you're a bit disproportionate so you got to have thick skin to take the looking and people noticing you did this surgery, specially since it has become very main stream now...
What amount femurs do you think average person can get away with not getting noticed that you have LL legs? 6cm?
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What amount femurs do you think average person can get away with not getting noticed that you have LL legs? 6cm?
Anything goes as long as the ratio between tibia and femurs is around 0.76-0.84
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congrats, glad you're happy with your results, I'm just sharing my experience if I had to do it again coming from somebody who did the surgery 4.5 years ago
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Dont get it.. are you not happy with your height? If it just propotions well you can also do tibias as well,
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Sound like dissapoting, well Im already disportioned, long torso big back but small legs, femur and tibia, you think it would look bad?
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congrats, glad you're happy with your results, I'm just sharing my experience if I had to do it again coming from somebody who did the surgery 4.5 years ago
Hey @Movie, i didn't quite understand, what do you mean by the statement "if I had to do it again" - what would u do differently?
I am also wondering about those 8cm talks in femurs, also from @Siegfried - is it that noticable? I am thinking about 7 to 7.5cm in my femurs.
Do you guys have any videos (from someone, not necessarily yourselves) where one can see someone in that femur lengthening range, in short pants, and especially from the side? I would really be interested in that, like, how would it look on the beach etc.
I mainly get to see front view pictures, i wanna see how it comes across when walking from the side perspective.
By the way, i find the @OldieButGoldie comments SO interesting, he goes from enthusiasm in the beginning to an absolute "0/10, can't recommend" :o