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Community Hangout => Off Topic => Topic started by: Adonis on August 08, 2016, 11:16:25 PM
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Interesting new study of trends in height across countries for the last century. Young Dutch men are now the tallest at nearly 6 feet on average. South Koreans and Iranians show largest increase.
https://elifesciences.org/content/5/e13410
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Height related surgeries and other medical procedures in South Korea are on daily basis.
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I seriously doubt that 20 years ago LL was widespread enough in Korea to influence the results ...
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I suspect some research to be truncated to reassure the quality of their lifestyle (particularly in Asia)
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The study isn´t applicable though, the most recent numbers in study are 20 years old.
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The study isn´t applicable though, the most recent numbers in study are 20 years old.
Applicable to what?
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it's not data from 1996... It's the present height of those who were born in 1996. This is the most accurate study.
Also, they excluded from the study all kind of groups which would supposedly lower the average height thus cancelling the ongoing crap in this forum about how these studies are not accurate due to old people and immigrants.
Here is the group of people who were excluded
We excluded data sources on population subgroups whose anthropometric status may differ systematically from the general population, including:
studies that had included or excluded people based on their health status or cardiovascular risk;
ethnic minorities;
specific educational, occupational, or socioeconomic subgroups of the population; and
those recruited through health facilities, with the exception noted below.
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Stickied.
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it's not data from 1996... It's the present height of those who were born in 1996. This is the most accurate study.
Also, they excluded from the study all kind of groups which would supposedly lower the average height thus cancelling the ongoing crap in this forum about how these studies are not accurate due to old people and immigrants.
Here is the group of people who were excluded
We excluded data sources on population subgroups whose anthropometric status may differ systematically from the general population, including:
studies that had included or excluded people based on their health status or cardiovascular risk;
ethnic minorities;
specific educational, occupational, or socioeconomic subgroups of the population; and
those recruited through health facilities, with the exception noted below.
So wait, let me get this straight (and honestly only asking because I didn't read the study in full), that would theoretically mean that a heavily diverse nation, like the U.S, would theoretically have a (marginally) lower height then the one provided? I ask because the ethnic minorities "excluded" seems like such a broad statement...
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So wait, let me get this straight (and honestly only asking because I didn't read the study in full), that would theoretically mean that a heavily diverse nation, like the U.S, would theoretically have a (marginally) lower height then the one provided? I ask because the ethnic minorities "excluded" seems like such a broad statement...
I dont know... Could also be the opposite (Carribean black people are a minority in Canada but are expetionally tall)... But since as their name implies, ethnic minorities are a minority, if there is a random study of let's say 1000 canadians out of which 10% are black carribeans (while in the general population I dont think they even make the 1%), the average height could be highier than it actually is... So the effect could also lead you to believe that you are much shorter than the actual average..
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So wait, let me get this straight (and honestly only asking because I didn't read the study in full), that would theoretically mean that a heavily diverse nation, like the U.S, would theoretically have a (marginally) lower height then the one provided? I ask because the ethnic minorities "excluded" seems like such a broad statement...
To be frank, I have no idea what is considered an ethnic minority in north america, australia and other immigrant countries... It's easier in my country or european countries but the USA? Who are the ones being singled out? Might be first and second generation immigrants probably...
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It's even worse in Sweden. We are facing a total collapse due to all migrants. Well done Sweden!
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it's not data from 1996... It's the present height of those who were born in 1996. This is the most accurate study.
Also, they excluded from the study all kind of groups which would supposedly lower the average height thus cancelling the ongoing crap in this forum about how these studies are not accurate due to old people and immigrants.
Here is the group of people who were excluded
We excluded data sources on population subgroups whose anthropometric status may differ systematically from the general population, including:
studies that had included or excluded people based on their health status or cardiovascular risk;
ethnic minorities;
specific educational, occupational, or socioeconomic subgroups of the population; and
those recruited through health facilities, with the exception noted below.
The numbers don´t really make a lot of sence, If they really excluded the minorities. The average height in austria, hungary, the czeck republic, slovenia should all be pretty much the same, if minorities were excluded (foreigners). All these countires used to be part of the same empire and the ethnic groups were totally mixed up, most of native austrians have roots in some of the countries I named above and all of these people share one large gene pool.
The only real difference between these nations is their wealth and therefore the number of immigrants that came to the countries. There would not be a difference in height if they had excluded all the ethnic minorities.
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@Sweden I feel you ;D we have the same problems as you guys up there
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The numbers don´t really make a lot of sence, If they really excluded the minorities. The average height in austria, hungary, the czeck republic, slovenia should all be pretty much the same, if minorities were excluded (foreigners). All these countires used to be part of the same empire and the ethnic groups were totally mixed up, most of native austrians have roots in some of the countries I named above and all of these people share one large gene pool.
The only real difference between these nations is their wealth and therefore the number of immigrants that came to the countries. There would not be a difference in height if they had excluded all the ethnic minorities.
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@Sweden I feel you ;D we have the same problems as you guys up there
In fact the difference in height is about 1cm if you exclude the balkans which some were parts of the austro-hungarian empire.
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French men as tall as German ones? Italians and Spanish men/women as tall as US or Russian ones? It seems strange to me... They seems strange also the data for North Africa countries.
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Also, there are absolutely tall people that do this surgery. Dr. Paley operated on a 5'11" Dutch patient (he cites this on his website). Of the thousands of people that do this procedure (Precise alone apparently just hit 2,000 nails, with Dr. Paley having inserted 350 of them, there are only a handful of diaries, and the majority are on this site). I won't reveal my height - many have asked - but I cannot be considered short (I also cannot be considered tall, I am not 6'), and I'll have this surgery in less than 3 months.
I don't think someone 5'11 should be considered tall. Average height, imo, ranges from 5'9 to 6', depending in what country they live. So yeah, I'd say that 5'11 isnt tall but is definitely a good height.
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I don't think someone 5'11 should be considered tall. Average height, imo, ranges from 5'9 to 6', depending in what country they live. So yeah, I'd say that 5'11 isnt tall but is definitely a good height.
Yeah 6' is average... Also 5'11... Have you ever seen a legit 5'10? You have no idea what you are talking about
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Yeah 6' is average... Also 5'11... Have you ever seen a legit 5'10? You have no idea what you are talking about
Where do you live? Inside a cave? Yes, I've seen a legit 5'10, who hasn't? Actually, I think that 5'10 is probably the most commun height we see for males around our age. Anyways, I did state that it was my opinion.
I'm nearly 5'8 and I consider myself short. So, what range for you is considered average?
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In Sweden men my age are 181. So that's 5'11.5 for you.
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Where do you live? Inside a cave? Yes, I've seen a legit 5'10, who hasn't? Actually, I think that 5'10 is probably the most commun height we see for males around our age. Anyways, I did state that it was my opinion.
I'm nearly 5'8 and I consider myself short. So, what range for you is considered average?
In most of the western world 174-178 is average. above that it's tall below that you start being short
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How is being 3cm below average tall? Come to Sweden bruh.
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How is being 3cm below average tall? Come to Sweden bruh.
Sweden is not the world. There are "only" 10 million swedes in the world... They do not rappresent the average height for the western world... Neither are the Dutch or the Dynaric alps people...
You are Swedish... That's a different thing... I am not so I do not aspire to be as tall as the average swed
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In most of the western world 174-178 is average. above that it's tall below that you start being short
First I think that your average range is too small. It's like you either consider people tall or short. And second I think that height would be correct only if you take into account women's height as well.
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Sweden is not the world. There are "only" 10 million swedes in the world... They do not rappresent the average height for the western world... Neither are the Dutch or the Dynaric alps people...
You are Swedish... That's a different thing... I am not so I do not aspire to be as tall as the average swed
Yes but then I did say that the average range was 5'9 to 6' depending in what country you live and you mocked me. Apparently I am right.
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Yes but then I did say that the average range was 5'9 to 6' depending in what country you live and you mocked me. Apparently I am right.
You said that 180cm or even 183 can't be considered tall. That is what I mocked you about...
And no.. The tallest women average is 5'7... My range does not include them.. And also, you will never be called short in the vast majority of the western world if you are a legit 5'9 or 175cm. I know people from France, Italy, USA, Canada who are this height and they never complain about their height, nor do they feel short at that height.
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First I think that your average range is too small. It's like you either consider people tall or short. And second I think that height would be correct only if you take into account women's height as well.
And of course I consider people tall or short... That's what most people do. Do you think that anyone who is not obssesed about height has knowledge of average height across the world? He sees someone as says shorter or taller than him...
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You said that 180cm or even 183 can't be considered tall. That is what I mocked you about...
And no.. The tallest women average is 5'7... My range does not include them.. And also, you will never be called short in the vast majority of the western world if you are a legit 5'9 or 175cm. I know people from France, Italy, USA, Canada who are this height and they never complain about their height, nor do they feel short at that height.
I did not say that they can't be considered tall. I said they shouldn't be considered tall because, imo, they are average. Basketball players are considered tall people.
By what you said, most of the people here can go from short to tall by lenghtening 6~7cms. That's awesome lol. For instances, I'm 172cm tall, a short person in your book, but if I lenghtened 7cm I'd be 179cm tall, someone whos tall according to you. Hell no.
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I did not say that they can't be considered tall. I said they shouldn't be considered tall because, imo, they are average. Basketball players are considered tall people.
By what you said, most of the people here can go from short to tall by lenghtening 5~6cms. That's awesome lol.
You are 172. You are some what below average.. By adding 6cm you are going to be taller than 50% of males which means you are above average.. Why is it so hard to accept that?
Basketball players are very very tall... And if someone thinks that being that tall must be the most attractive thing ever or that even not being that tall means not being able to get 100% in life, this person should seek psychiatric help. Because it's like being anorexic with height...
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You are 172. You are some what below average.. By adding 6cm you are going to be taller than 50% of males which means you are above average.. Why is it so hard to accept that?
Basketball players are very very tall...
I just think that you have such a wide range for tall people and a super narrow range for average height people.
And if someone thinks that being that tall must be the most attractive thing ever or that even not being that tall means not being able to get 100% in life, this person should seek psychiatric help. Because it's like being anorexic with height...
That's going off topic and, while I think you're right, I won't discuss it.
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I just think that you have such a wide range for tall people and a super narrow range for average height people.
(http://www.chartsgraphsdiagrams.com/HealthCharts/images/growth-2-20-boys.png)
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If you think in the future, maybe height wont be a problem so wont be important, I dont like that. If everybody has
the same advantages, the advantages will disappear, so this world will be bored. Imagine if everybody could aspire to be as intelligent as Einstein, this would be bored and silly. But maybe discrimination could dissapear??? I dont think so, humans would create another things that could make the difference. I am just saying that ADN cant be completily changed, becuase it would create a bored world.
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Imho it will be good for the shortest/tallest people.
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If you think in the future, maybe height wont be a problem so wont be important, I dont like that. If everybody has
the same advantages, the advantages will disappear, so this world will be bored. Imagine if everybody could aspire to be as intelligent as Einstein, this would be bored and silly. But maybe discrimination could dissapear??? I dont think so, humans would create another things that could make the difference. I am just saying that ADN cant be completily changed, becuase it would create a bored world.
Oh no, people would still be very different - intelligence, personality, behaviour, etc., and will still be able to suceed in whatever ways they like. But the unfair inequality will be gone, at least in regards to height. People would even still be differently tall, but just the possibility of easily changing your height to whatever you want it to be, if we assume that's gonna be possible one day, will reduce the importance people place on height. How can you not love that thought? Seriously.
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Because you are talking about changing the ADN, if you do that, everybody can have the same things and success will be impossible, all we be the same, that doesnt mean that discrimination will disapppear but.......Hmmm.
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What is ADN anyway?
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There will always be something that people will use to bolster their status and diminish others, humans are, by nature, predisposed to hierarchical thinking.
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South Korean government are clearly lying about 5'8 average.
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Interesting new study of trends in height across countries for the last century. Young Dutch men are now the tallest at nearly 6 feet on average. South Koreans and Iranians show largest increase.
https://elifesciences.org/content/5/e13410
Average Dutchman is 181.1cm (5'11.25") according to these stats:
http://statline.cbs.nl/Statweb/publication/?DM=SLNL&PA=81565NED&D1=0-5&D2=a&D3=0-1,5&D4=0&D5=0,10,20,30,33-35&HDR=T&STB=G1,G2,G3,G4&VW=T
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This is a good study but it has some sensational claims.
E.g.:
Being taller is associated with enhanced longevity
It really is not. The highest life expectancy in Europe is in Sardinia, Italy, where, coincidentally, are also the shortest people in Europe. They share the highest rate of centenarians in the world with the Okinawans, from Japan. You'd think the highest expectancy in Europe would be located in places like Sweden, Norway or Iceland due to their very high living standards; it's not.
A lot of the current research seems to indicate that height is a big component in longevity, but in the opposite direction that this study shows. It's also a potential explanation as to why women tend to live longer than men.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-05-sardinian-men-height-factor-longevity.html
I'd also be very skeptical of the height and IQ claims. Einstein was 5'7", and most of the Japanese Nobel Laureates were around that height. That claim probably only applies, on average, to Western society. Correlation is also not causation, etc. It could simply be that the better nutrition taller Westerners get also affects their IQ levels. Basically, you shouldn't take that claim as gospel.
Overall, I just wanted to make this post because people on this forum already have enough psychological issues as it is. You don't need extra ones based on poor or outdated science.
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This is a good study but it has some sensational claims.
E.g.:
It really is not. The highest life expectancy in Europe is in Sardinia, Italy, where, coincidentally, are also the shortest people in Europe. They share the highest rate of centenarians in the world with the Okinawans, from Japan. You'd think the highest expectancy in Europe would be located in places like Sweden, Norway or Iceland due to their very high living standards; it's not.
A lot of the current research seems to indicate that height is a big component in longevity, but in the opposite direction that this study shows. It's also a potential explanation as to why women tend to live longer than men.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-05-sardinian-men-height-factor-longevity.html
I'd also be very skeptical of the height and IQ claims. Einstein was 5'7", and most of the Japanese Nobel Laureates were around that height. That claim probably only applies, on average, to Western society. Correlation is also not causation, etc. It could simply be that the better nutrition taller Westerners get also affects their IQ levels. Basically, you shouldn't take that claim as gospel.
Overall, I just wanted to make this post because people on this forum already have enough psychological issues as it is. You don't need extra ones based on poor or outdated science.
People will correlate things with anything but that doesn't make it true. It's just like how people correlate race with certain things like IQ and make other absurd claims when in reality there are many factors that need to be considered.
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these studies take into account the natural genetic height,
most of these data are from military enlistments that happen around the age of 18 these
data are accurate because all young people are registered, surveys that present other age
after 18 years are made with small groups of people are not done with the whole population
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im a short black Canadian. And no not all black people are exceptionally tall . I have seen average and tall and a few short black people.
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this growth is related to the HDI (human development index) and this is directly related to food as well, it is only to compare with very poor countries generally has a very low average, or compare north korea and korea, south korea in 50 years has grown a lot with a 10cm difference from North Korea, it is related to the nutrition of the population, therefore, they exert countries where they have grown very much because the country has improved its HDI consequently favoring the nutrition of its population, Brazil itself is an example In the general average we have 174-175cm of average, but southern states of Brazil where the HDI is higher indicate a higher average height,
with a mean of 177-178 in 2005 for 18-year-old boys, these values are expected to be higher following the graphical growth logic, it is probable that it is close to 1.80, I live in Santa Catarina state and I can confirm that a large part of young people are approximately 178cm tall, taking into account measurements of
military enlistment that is made annually
link of study of the city of Blumenau of Santa Catarina state southern region of Brazil
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0104-42302010000300014
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Well bad news then, I mean, if the genetic manipulation become a reality, everyone will have an advantage, being able to choose your kid's eye color, hair, skin, height, physique, athletic? there you go, you can have it. Smart? there you go, you can have it too. Yeah, future will be scary
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Height related surgeries and other medical procedures in South Korea are on daily basis.
The criminal country contaminating China and Jap with their toxic and distorted ideologies that height and
appearance can evaluate a man and woman's value surpassing inner beauties.
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This is a good study but it has some sensational claims.
E.g.:
It really is not. The highest life expectancy in Europe is in Sardinia, Italy, where, coincidentally, are also the shortest people in Europe. They share the highest rate of centenarians in the world with the Okinawans, from Japan. You'd think the highest expectancy in Europe would be located in places like Sweden, Norway or Iceland due to their very high living standards; it's not.
A lot of the current research seems to indicate that height is a big component in longevity, but in the opposite direction that this study shows. It's also a potential explanation as to why women tend to live longer than men.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-05-sardinian-men-height-factor-longevity.html
I'd also be very skeptical of the height and IQ claims. Einstein was 5'7", and most of the Japanese Nobel Laureates were around that height. That claim probably only applies, on average, to Western society. Correlation is also not causation, etc. It could simply be that the better nutrition taller Westerners get also affects their IQ levels. Basically, you shouldn't take that claim as gospel.
Overall, I just wanted to make this post because people on this forum already have enough psychological issues as it is. You don't need extra ones based on poor or outdated science.
Very well said.
Taller people live on average less than shorter ones.
Also, I really doubt about any correlation of iq with height.
Most very tall people I know are really dumb, the same I could say with some abnormally short men (less than 1.60).
For sure being taller doesn't mean that you are smarter. Most smart people I know are with average heights.
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Very well said.
Taller people live on average less than shorter ones.
Also, I really doubt about any correlation of iq with height.
Most very tall people I know are really dumb, the same I could say with some abnormally short men (less than 1.60).
For sure being taller doesn't mean that you are smarter. Most smart people I know are with average heights.
The study itself stated few studies exist that can prove correlations between Intelligence quotient and height, but tall dumbasses have not shut their mouths yet instead of running mouth that shorter guys are more retarded and stupid. What's more, another study proving correlations between IQ and height picked out samples from developing Asian countries. Also,two studies admitted there were only delicate differences between tall and short guys' IQs.
So I would say tall guys who are perceiving these studies as excuses of condescending upon short guys are severe retards.
What's worse,IQ,whose operational concept is just making joke:score in IQ questionaire,is fooling a huge abundance of amateurs into talents and reinforcing the fortress hindering natal average and under average pll from promoting to ppl over average.
Let's just laugh off modern but feudal 'information cocoons' and consider ppl who believe IQ,let alone correlations between height and IQ,as droppers out of primary school studies.