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Title: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 01, 2014, 10:19:12 PM
I will start with some background information, why I decided to undergo this expensive, painful and risky surgery.

I did this OP for two reasons. First, I suffered from a leg length discrepancy of 1,5cm which I wanted to equate. In consequence of that I suffered from knee pain when running or cycling e.g.
So I battled with my health insurance for several years to cover the medical part but unfortunately my leg length difference was "too small" to be covered by my insurance. So I had to save a lot of money, which is quite difficult when you are studying, but I made it finally, after 8 years :-)
Besides the medical part, I also hated being that small (158cm), especially since all of my friends are quite tall, even the girls. There were so many jokes made because of my height, I can't count it... People think, being small is kind of "cute" for a girl, so they often made jokes at my expense.
But that's over now!! :-)

I had my surgery on 31st of October 2013 and lengthened at a rate of 0.7-0.8mm per day. Therefore I didn't suffer from severe stretching pain and was able to lengthen 9cm on average in 4 month (8,5cm on my right leg and 9,7cm on my once shorter left leg)
I just stopped lengthening yesterday and am consolidating now. I'm very happy with my new height and all the money and pain is absolutely worth it! The feeling of being taller is priceless!  :)

I will try to post some pictures, soon.

Greetings,
Hanna
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: mediocre on March 01, 2014, 10:27:13 PM
Were there any major issues during your lengthening?

Did you have problems with nail breaking or bending?

Would you recommend Dr Betz to future LLers? Why or why not?

Thanks for your answer in advance.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 01, 2014, 10:29:23 PM
I saw in OldieButGoldie's diary that there is a download-link of his complete old forum -diary, maybe one of the admins could help me with that?
Thank you in advance! :)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 01, 2014, 10:43:47 PM
Were there any major issues during your lengthening?

Did you have problems with nail breaking or bending?

Would you recommend Dr Betz to future LLers? Why or why not?

Thanks for your answer in advance.

Hello mediocre!

In the first weeks I had some trouble with clicking due to a very fast bone healing in my left leg. I needed anaesthetic clicking to solve this problem. After that I had a very tough and painful night in the hospital, but the next day, my muscles already relaxed and the pain was bearable.

Right now I don't have problems with nail bending or breaking and I hope that this won't occur (If anyone is interested, I have the new 11mm Betzbone) I use my crutches religiously and am very careful.

Dr. Betz is a great, careful and experienced doctor, I have waited for 8 years to do the surgery and did a lot of research and met different doctors. I had my first consultation with Dr. Betz in 2011 and met a lot of patients in different stages of lengthening. Most of them had no complications, one of them broke his nail, but he admitted that he walked without crutches too early.
I would recommend Dr. Betz to other patients because I trust him and made a very good experience. I work in the medical field, too and had also some kind of professinal discussion with him. He convinced me of his professionality and I felt that I'm in good hands.
I also plan to do my Tibias with him in a few years.(I'm not 100% sure if I will do my Tibias, but if I do, I'll do them with Dr. Betz)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: mediocre on March 01, 2014, 10:54:04 PM
Thanks for your reply.

Are you now walking without aids?

Hello mediocre!

In the first weeks I had some trouble with clicking due to a very fast bone healing in my left leg. I needed anaesthetic clicking to solve this problem. After that I had a very tough and painful night in the hospital, but the next day, my muscles already relaxed and the pain was bearable.

Right now I don't have problems with nail bending or breaking and I hope that this won't occur (If anyone is interested, I have the new 11mm Betzbone) I use my crutches religiously and am very careful.

Dr. Betz is a great, careful and experienced doctor, I have waited for 8 years to do the surgery and did a lot of research and met different doctors. I had my first consultation with Dr. Betz in 2011 and met a lot of patients in different stages of lengthening. Most of them had no complications, one of them broke his nail, but he admitted that he walked without crutches too early.
I would recommend Dr. Betz to other patients because I trust him and made a very good experience. I work in the medical field, too and had also some kind of professinal discussion with him. He convinced me of his professionality and I felt that I'm in good hands.
I also plan to do my Tibias with him in a few years.(I'm not 100% sure if I will do my Tibias, but if I do, I'll do them with Dr. Betz)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 01, 2014, 11:00:15 PM
No, I'm still walking with crutches till Dr. Betz allows me to walk unaided. I will have my next x-ray in 2 weeks and will talk with Dr. Betz about my recovery. ( I live in Germany, about 2 hours by car away from Dr. Betz)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: rickybobby on March 02, 2014, 01:50:53 AM
Hanna is your betz bone the 11 mm one that is the new generation?

How strong do you think that is? Did betz say his new 11mm rod is as strong as the 13mm rod?

Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 02, 2014, 12:51:58 PM
Yes, it's the new Generation with 20 clicks for 1mm. I heard from other patients that this nail is supposed to be stronger. I' m careful anyway and use my crutches religiously until I get the permission to walk unaided.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Polycrates. on March 02, 2014, 06:50:59 PM
Oooh Hanna,

We have a defector in our midst, do we? Sysop ought to have you hanged for treason. It probably strikes even closer to home, knowing you're a Betz patient to boot. Welcome to the dark side.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 03, 2014, 11:45:13 AM
Hello Polycrates,

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean, completely (English is not my first language).
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Polycrates. on March 03, 2014, 12:24:08 PM
Wunderschön Hanna,

If you are unaware, there is a substantial conflict between the two warring factions in their respective bids to reign supreme as the most comprehensive, just, and informative forum for LL data and knowledge. So averse is the moderator of the other LL forum to fair expression and transparent practice, and so unrelenting he becomes in his attempts at punishing those he deems to have crossed him-- you could very well be liable to have yourself strung by the neck with a rope, tied to a tree branch and cast to swing free if he ever caught wind of your betrayal. I mean this all jokingly of course. I was surprised to see your presence become apparent on this forum is all I'm getting at. If it were up to Sysop and the boys over at old forum , this site would most surely never be in existence. So what was your deciding factor in coming over to LL Forum? Was it merely for more exposure, or have you become concerned with Sysop's misbegotten ways?

Welcome to the forum. 
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: OldieButGoldie on March 03, 2014, 01:49:09 PM
Wunderschön Hanna,

If you are unaware, there is a substantial conflict between the two warring factions in their respective bids to reign supreme as the most comprehensive, just, and informative forum for LL data and knowledge. So averse is the moderator of the other LL forum to fair expression and transparent practice, and so unrelenting he becomes in his attempts at punishing those he deems to have crossed him-- you could very well be liable to have yourself strung by the neck with a rope, tied to a tree branch and cast to swing free if he ever caught wind of your betrayal. I mean this all jokingly of course. I was surprised to see your presence become apparent on this forum is all I'm getting at. If it were up to Sysop and the boys over at old forum , this site would most surely never be in existence. So what was your deciding factor in coming over to LL Forum? Was it merely for more exposure, or have you become concerned with Sysop's misbegotten ways?

Welcome to the forum.

Poly: when are you going to write a fantasy novel?
I'll buy it the minute it is available... ;)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: mediocre on March 03, 2014, 02:40:40 PM
Poly, he still allows you to post at the old forum despite your statement below your avatar (here)?

;)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 03, 2014, 02:41:51 PM
Wunderschön Hanna,

If you are unaware, there is a substantial conflict between the two warring factions in their respective bids to reign supreme as the most comprehensive, just, and informative forum for LL data and knowledge. So averse is the moderator of the other LL forum to fair expression and transparent practice, and so unrelenting he becomes in his attempts at punishing those he deems to have crossed him-- you could very well be liable to have yourself strung by the neck with a rope, tied to a tree branch and cast to swing free if he ever caught wind of your betrayal. I mean this all jokingly of course. I was surprised to see your presence become apparent on this forum is all I'm getting at. If it were up to Sysop and the boys over at old forum , this site would most surely never be in existence. So what was your deciding factor in coming over to LL Forum? Was it merely for more exposure, or have you become concerned with Sysop's misbegotten ways?

Welcome to the forum.

All right, now I got it.  :)
I just wanted to share my experience. I wasn't aware of the conlict between the two sites and I believe that it doesn't need to concern me.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: mimi on March 03, 2014, 02:42:00 PM
hello HANNA thank you for sharing your experience how much it cost u the surgery because my budget in not over than USD 7000 this was my accumulation of 5 years work
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 03, 2014, 02:47:21 PM
Hello mimi,

the surgery costs around 48000 Euro, including 14 days of hospital stay (which includes physiotherapy, 4 meals per day and medication).
I know it's a lot of money, I also had to save for a long time.

Greetings,
Hanna
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: mimi on March 03, 2014, 03:03:24 PM
mi don't know I'm very interested in this surgery but is there any insurance that cover it I need at lest 15 cm or more
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 03, 2014, 03:10:15 PM
Where do you come from? And how tall are you? Do you have a leg length discrepancy?
In Germany, where I live, it's very difficult to get your insurance cover even a part of the costs. Even with my leg length discrepancy they refused to pay anything.
I heard from Dr. Paley's patients, that the insurance in America sometimes pays if you have a deformity or legs of different length. But I don't have any further information about that.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Disobedient on March 03, 2014, 07:32:05 PM
hello HANNA thank you for sharing your experience how much it cost u the surgery because my budget in not over than USD 7000 this was my accumulation of 5 years work

7000 USD wont do anything for you..
Forget about the internal if that's your budget.. and forget about the 15cm too
 if you're really dying to have this surgery as soon as possible then the only option for you is to do it external and in India , . .  check this
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?board=6.0


I'm not in position to give you an advice, but maybe you should double your saving then consider  mitkovic .. this is the safest option I could think of..
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Disobedient on March 03, 2014, 07:50:38 PM


Hi Hanna

congart in your achievement .. I'm happy for you..  167cm is an awesome height, I wish I was 167cm or even 166cm..
I read  that you are  considering lengthening your  tibia, is it to achieve a certain height in your mind, or seeking for proportional  look??

post  some pics if you can..
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 03, 2014, 09:38:41 PM
For both reasons. Being 1.70 or a little more is a dream! :-)
But right now, I'm happy with my new height and not 100% sure if I'll do Tibias later.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: rickybobby on March 03, 2014, 10:52:05 PM
can we see your xrays at 9cm? I am curious how much of a boney cloud you have, please post them if you have the time or i can post them for you if you dont know how to..

thanks!
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 03, 2014, 10:58:37 PM
X-rays at 7,8cm
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 03, 2014, 11:04:14 PM
@rickybobby: I also have a close-up of the bone gap, but the file size is too large. :-/
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 03, 2014, 11:07:53 PM
I'll get new x-rays on 14th of March. I will post them here. :)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: mediocre on March 03, 2014, 11:23:25 PM
Great-looking x-ray.

Is there any difference for the cost for Dr Betz between female and male?

X-rays at 7,8cm
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 03, 2014, 11:27:40 PM
Thank you.  :)
In the original x-rays and with more light, the new callus is more visible.

No, it's the same price.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: rickybobby on March 04, 2014, 12:04:48 AM
hanna your xrays look great at 7cm!

are you taking silical ? doing forteo? or any electronic bone stimulators?

Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: KiloKAHN on March 04, 2014, 12:24:57 AM
hello HANNA thank you for sharing your experience how much it cost u the surgery because my budget in not over than USD 7000 this was my accumulation of 5 years work

With that budget your only options are external only in India, and that's still stretching it since you'll need money for potential complications, airfare, and daily living necessities like food and a caretaker. Here are some options in India:

Dr Murthy: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=253.0 (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=253.0)

Indian Spinal Injuries Centre: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=305.0 (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=305.0)

There are no diaries online from either of these centers. If you're determined to go for lengthening within your current budget and won't wait to save up more, then these two places are probably worth a visit. Dr Murthy seems to have the qualifications for this surgery.

Keep in mind the Doctors Directory disclaimer, however: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=55.0 (http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=55.0)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Sweatpants on March 04, 2014, 01:38:00 PM
Hey Hanna,

I was wondering how your close friends react on your new height? I guess there is no way it can be unnoticed by someone closed to you, cause 8-9 cm is a huge difference. Also, what about your family, how did they take it? Thank you.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 04, 2014, 01:53:48 PM
Actually nobody made a comment, yet. Only one friend mentioned that I "had lost weight". It's interesting that people notice that something is different but don't really see, what it is.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 04, 2014, 03:14:04 PM
Here you can see the bone gap a little better:
(http://i62.tinypic.com/ick1ll.jpg)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Polycrates. on March 04, 2014, 03:19:40 PM
Sehr gut.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 04, 2014, 03:21:21 PM
Here are some scar pictures:

(http://i60.tinypic.com/al6cll.jpg)

(http://i61.tinypic.com/27ypicy.jpg)

(http://i61.tinypic.com/qrn148.jpg)



Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 04, 2014, 05:25:05 PM
hanna your xrays look great at 7cm!

are you taking silical ? doing forteo? or any electronic bone stimulators?

No, I only take Calcium and Magnesium, but I use my exercise bike for 2-3hours per day. That increases the blood flow and therefore helps the body to heal.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: RGKEY on March 04, 2014, 05:31:39 PM
All right, now I got it.  :)
I just wanted to share my experience. I wasn't aware of the conlict between the two sites and I believe that it doesn't need to concern me.

haha, well said!::))
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Sweatpants on March 04, 2014, 05:41:48 PM
wow, you can hardly see the scars, seriously, looks great!  :D did you put something on them for better healing?
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 04, 2014, 05:45:54 PM
Yes, I use a special cream for scars called "Contractubex", I have the impression that the scars get lighter with this cream.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Disobedient on March 04, 2014, 05:46:16 PM

This is really very tiny scar and it's unnoticeable at all, lucky you
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 04, 2014, 05:52:00 PM
Thank you :-)
For a girl, minimal scars are very important.

Here's a picture of my legs now:

(http://i61.tinypic.com/2yzbkup.jpg)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: RGKEY on March 04, 2014, 05:54:06 PM
LOKKING NICE HANNA!)))
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Disobedient on March 04, 2014, 06:40:14 PM

Yeah I bet you're right, it's vital importance :-[ ...

You have now great long legs..and even though I cant judge about the proportion from this pic, (because of the angle of the pic) but I think you still have good proportion ..
few days ago I saw Korean singer has very long femurs  but she looks so great
BTW she has the same height as yours..


(http://kojaproductions.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/afterschool_kjp1.jpg?w=584)
 
the girl with black short bang

Great achievement Hanna, you should be very proud of yourself  ;)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: rickybobby on March 04, 2014, 08:37:53 PM
Just thought I would post some progression pictures

(http://i62.tinypic.com/s3ppw6.jpg)


(http://i62.tinypic.com/2s63l83.jpg)


(http://i59.tinypic.com/4sb7f4.jpg)





Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Blackhawk on March 04, 2014, 09:06:58 PM
Looking good Hanna!

Those scars are tiny!   :)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 04, 2014, 10:47:43 PM
I, myself, can see, that my femurs are longer than normally, but it doesn't look strange. I guess for girls it's not a disfavour to have longer legs. :)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: mediocre on March 05, 2014, 12:38:43 AM
Where?

Here are some scar pictures:

(http://i60.tinypic.com/al6cll.jpg)

(http://i61.tinypic.com/27ypicy.jpg)

(http://i61.tinypic.com/qrn148.jpg)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: TRS on March 05, 2014, 11:29:25 AM
Hey Hanna!

Congratz for reaching your lengthening goal and your legs look great with minimum scarring :)

I am just wondering if your were flexible before surgery and do you reckon it helped you reach 9 cm with lesser muscle pain/tightness?

Also what stretching did you do while lengthening besides physical therapy?

Cause I am planning to lengthen 6cm on my femur with PRECICE2 and your experience will be really helpful.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 05, 2014, 11:34:31 AM
Yes, I was flexible before surgery, but not super flexible. I did the best I could to prepare me and I guess, what helped a lot was, that I only lengthened 0,7-0,8mm per day.
Your doctor and physiotherapist will show you exercises you can do on your own without harming the nail. It did simple stretching exercises that you can do while sitting or lying. And I cycled a lot, I have the impression, it also helped me to stay flexible.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Cooper on March 07, 2014, 01:47:01 PM
Hanna,
Do LLers in betzland walk on stairs after surgery? I heard most LLers of dr. Betz goes back to work after 2-3 weeks. I am curious how do they able to drive and walk uneven surface such as stairs.

Please let us know what you see. I really want to do this in May but need to return home to get back to work. I can work from home office so is it even possible?

Thanks much!
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: smitty on March 07, 2014, 01:49:02 PM
Hey Hanna,

Good to see you in this forum also. I have been following your diary in old forum . :)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: FrankGarrett on March 07, 2014, 02:11:28 PM
Hey Hanna,

Good to see you in this forum also. I have been following your diary in old forum . :)

Hi Smitty. I'm guessing you're "Smitty1" from old forum ? Good to have you on-board.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: smitty on March 07, 2014, 02:23:46 PM
Hi Smitty. I'm guessing you're "Smitty1" from old forum ? Good to have you on-board.

Thanks Frank, You are right. I am Smitty1.
I do have some disagreements with both the forums but I think I am ready to contribute more now.  :)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 11, 2014, 11:08:57 AM
Hanna,
Do LLers in betzland walk on stairs after surgery? I heard most LLers of dr. Betz goes back to work after 2-3 weeks. I am curious how do they able to drive and walk uneven surface such as stairs.

Please let us know what you see. I really want to do this in May but need to return home to get back to work. I can work from home office so is it even possible?

Thanks much!

Hello Cooper,

Yes, you are able to take stairs. I learned it from my physiotherapist one week after surgery. You need strong arms for it, maybe you can workout (more) before surgery in order to prepare yourself.
I drive my car to go to rehab center, it's possible, although it's not recommended, cause (at least in Germany) in case of an accident you can get into trouble with your insurance.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 11, 2014, 11:09:18 AM
11 days of Recovery behind me I see a little progress, so far. My knee flexion is getting better and I feel that my legs are getting stronger, but concerning my duck-ass I don't see much progress, so far. Ok, it's only 11 days... But sometimes I have days when I feel down or depressed, it's really a long way to go and a long long time on crutches, you can't imagine the situation till you actually do LL. However I'm an optimist and most of the time I keep on being positive. :)

I don't have pain (not exceeding a 1-2 on a scale of ten, so I wouldn't call it pain at all), only medication I still take is Xarelto (to prevent thrombosis) and Calcium/ Vitamin D and Magnesium.
At the weekend I was at a swimming-pool for several hours, that was so great. After that my legs were so relaxed and flexible! I plan to go swimming more often.


I keep you informed about my further recovery.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: mediocre on March 11, 2014, 11:23:27 AM
Thanks for the post.

By how many months should the duck-ass disappear on the average?

but concerning my duck-ass I don't see much progress, so far. Ok, it's only 11 days...
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 11, 2014, 11:27:03 AM
I will ask Dr. Betz on friday. 
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: mediocre on March 11, 2014, 11:28:13 AM
Thanks. Please also ask if there's difference between males and females.

I will ask Dr. Betz on friday.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: RGKEY on March 11, 2014, 01:12:35 PM
Hey Hanna!))

well Im doing tibias and external, but I think the mental challenges are pretty similar. I would suggest you to not create much expectations about your progress, just take it day by day just like when you were lengthening is not that much different from the emotional point of view. You will not notice the improvement from day to day, but after weeks you will look back and realize that there is progress, very small but there is. Sometimes is very difficult to see progress when there is always something bothering you. Some times I cant even feel the progress, but it only takes me 5 second to look back in time maybe 1 month and I see a huge difference in every aspect)) Just try to keep calm, dont get to excited if your feel much better because you put your self in a position to also get down and feel worse. So just take it day by day. The hardest part of my consolidation is just keeping calm, because when I was lengthening in a way i felt great to know that everyday I was growing!! but now there is no growing there is only waiting and feeling better.

swimming is great if you can do it, actually my doctor recommends swimming after frame removal, it helps the muscles a lot!
stay strong and keep calm, one warm hug for you sirter!))

Rgkey
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: rickybobby on March 11, 2014, 01:16:25 PM
Hanna,

I want to do 9cm on my femurs as well. My only concern have you experienced any knee pain from the larger femur:tibia ratio?

I am only do one ll so I want to make sure I am not forced to do Tibias to correct my ratio and stop the knee pain like tall in old forum  
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 11, 2014, 03:51:24 PM
Thank you for your encouraging words, RGKEY :-)
This journey requires much patience, it's said so easy that you have to walk a few months on crutches.But I guess, I'm doing quite good.

@rickybobby: no, not yet and I hope that I will never develop knee pain, at least before I'm 80 years old ;-) I'll keep you updated.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Sweatpants on March 11, 2014, 03:53:39 PM
Hey Hanna,

Glad to hear about your progress, even a little progress is great. I want to ask you what Dr. Betz told about the crutches, when you will be able to move without them? Is it a couple of months during consolidation or something like that?
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 11, 2014, 04:00:49 PM
I will ask him on friday, when we take new x-rays. He told me in january that I could walk unaided by the end of April. But I'm a very careful person and will wait what the x-rays show on friday and then again in 6 weeks, before I risk to walk without crutches too early.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 12, 2014, 03:27:10 PM
First sunbath for my "new" legs...  :) life is great!

(http://i58.tinypic.com/290za6f.jpg)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: RGKEY on March 12, 2014, 03:39:22 PM
nice legs Hanna!))
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 16, 2014, 11:27:07 AM
My latest x-rays showed that I had a little discrepancy of 2mm left, which I corrected by now. Only thing I have to do now, is stretching, stretching, stretching and being patient. :)
Interestingly my x-rays show about nearly 1cm more distraction than I expected from my clicking count. When I was measured, I was already 1,66m although I can't stand straight because of the duck-ass I still have. Maybe I will even reach more than 1,67m, I will let you know, as soon as I'm able to stand straight and measure correctly.
The nails and screws are ok and my next x-rays are taken by the end of April. Till then I keep on walking on crutches. I keep you updated.  :)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: rickybobby on March 16, 2014, 11:53:30 AM
Hanna,

Could you post a video of you walking on crutches wearing shorts, you can hide your face and only show yourself waist down. I want to see your proportions and femur and tibia ratio.

Thanks (I want to do 8-9 in femurs I want to see how it would look) that you so much!
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Polycrates. on March 16, 2014, 12:26:15 PM
Congrats again Hanna,

I hope to join you in walking again soon. Thanks for keeping us little people over here updated.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: BullSurfer on March 16, 2014, 02:42:47 PM
Amazing how big money can lessen the pain and complication.

I think women should only lengthen the femur. Maybe it's just me, but I find women with long femur sexy. As for guys it would be freaky.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 16, 2014, 11:39:31 PM
Hanna,

Could you post a video of you walking on crutches wearing shorts, you can hide your face and only show yourself waist down. I want to see your proportions and femur and tibia ratio.

Thanks (I want to do 8-9 in femurs I want to see how it would look) that you so much!

I guess it won't help you that much, because proportions are different in each person. I met a guy who did 9cm and he looked way out of proportion, but then on the other hand I saw a girl with 10cm who looked completely fine.
And I have to agree with Bullsurfer, longer and leaner femurs on girls don't look as weird as on a guy, actually long legs are considered attractive on girls.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 17, 2014, 02:44:32 PM
This in a picture of my legs I made today. I've got the impression that my muscles are (slowly!) coming back and as a positive side effect the proportions look better when the thighs are less skinny.
I guess it's an advantage that I had sturdy legs before surgery.

(http://i60.tinypic.com/2wok29k.jpg)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Blackhawk on March 17, 2014, 03:16:05 PM
Your legs are looking good Hanna!

Yeah I think they will look even better when your muscles return to normal.

Has all of the money and time been worth it so far?
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 17, 2014, 03:29:31 PM
Thank you.
Definitely yes!  :)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: alps on March 17, 2014, 04:07:38 PM
Hi Hanna,
Can you please post a pic with your legs completely straight (ie no bend at the knees?)
To me it seems like you have some x-legs.
Especially your left leg looks a little bad.
Hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 17, 2014, 04:49:47 PM
No, you are right, I have slight x-legs, but already had it before surgery.
It could be corrected in a tibia surgery.... Maybe in a few years..
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Sweatpants on March 17, 2014, 09:24:35 PM
Your legs look great and really long and sexy    ;)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: alps on March 18, 2014, 07:10:58 PM
Hanna, it's just how the 2 *knees* of yours look so different that worries me. Your left knee looks a little strange. What do you think?
It would be great if you can put a photo with legs stretched out straight.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 18, 2014, 07:46:36 PM
That's because of my former leg length discrepancy. I had to lengthen my left leg more than my right leg and have still an asymmetry left in my hips, you can see it on the picture. The body needs time to adjust, I lived with 2 different legs for 20+ years.  Also I can't straighten my left knee completely, yet. It takes time. But I'm working on it with my physiothetapist.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on March 28, 2014, 06:18:19 PM
Today a girl compliments me on my height, she called me "tall". That's so great and still so unfamiliar, to be considered as "tall". Today is a good day! :)

My flexibility is getting better, my knee bending is almost gone, my duck-ass is still there, but a little less noticeable and I can bend my knees about 140 degrees without any pain.

And today my exogen 4000, that I bought on eBay, arrived and is ready to be used. :) although I have good bone growth I want to help my body heal.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: KiloKAHN on March 28, 2014, 07:37:14 PM
Good news, Hanna. Thanks for the update. I've been thinking about getting one of those Exogens.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Sweatpants on April 02, 2014, 02:06:32 AM
Hey Hanna,

How is it going? How is your recovery progress? Getting stronger?
I was wondering if you can wear anything you want at this stage, I mean jeans and tights etc. ? ( not heels of course ;))
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on April 02, 2014, 03:15:49 PM
Hey sweatpants,

Yes, I feel stronger. Today I went for a walk in the park (still on crutches of course), and it was not as exhausting as 4 weeks before. It's very important to be active during lengthening and especially during consolidation.
Yes, I can wear everything, especially my new jeans :-D the shopping costs shouldn't be neglected when you save up for LL... ;-)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: RGKEY on April 02, 2014, 03:39:13 PM
Hey sweatpants,

Yes, I feel stronger. Today I went for a walk in the park (still on crutches of course), and it was not as exhausting as 4 weeks before. It's very important to be active during lengthening and especially during consolidation.
Yes, I can wear everything, especially my new jeans :-D the shopping costs shouldn't be neglected when you save up for LL... ;-)

hey hanna! im glad your are doing better!) it is good for you to always look back maybe few weeks and see your progress))) i could not see much progress day by day but when i looked back maybe one month i saw significant progress and that also motivated me!!)) it gave me hope that in another month it would be another big step)) if i look back 3 months, i see my walking video and i could barely make a step, its unbelievable my progress, but again i can not see my progress day by day)) hang in there.

question thou)) i want to buy some jeans online but i dont know what size to get now after 9cms.. so since we actually grew about the same amount))) could you tell me in terms of jean sizes how different it is now, or how longer are your jeans now i mean from size to size. i dont know if we use the same units, before op i was using 30 size jean in length, now i have no idea))
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: rickybobby on April 02, 2014, 04:06:20 PM
Hanna thank you for the updates,

Can you take a video of you walking please and u film from waste down.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on April 02, 2014, 11:49:09 PM
Thank you, RGKEY :-)
I used to wear 30 inch length, too, now I need between 32-34inch, depending on the brand/type. It's an amazing feeling :-))
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: RGKEY on April 03, 2014, 03:06:08 AM
Oh.great!) Thank you! It must be an amazing feeling for sure!)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Cooper on April 07, 2014, 05:09:56 PM
Hey Hanna,
Do you notice your femur being proportionately longer than tibia. Is it noticeable? Not too much worried about proportion but curious how you see yourself on mirror.

Thanks
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on April 08, 2014, 03:06:31 PM
Yes, I can see it, but I guess I can get away with it very well. I originally planned to do 7cm but at this point everything looked very proportionate and I had no health issues so I decided to go further. It doesn't look like +9cm, otherwise I had stopped earlier because I do care about proportions.
But concerning the recovery time it might have been more reasonable to stop at 7cm.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: ChrisIsaak on April 08, 2014, 09:43:51 PM
Hey Hanna! How have you been lately? I was wondering, have you lost weight from LL as I did too?  :)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on April 09, 2014, 12:38:12 AM
Hey Chrisisaak,

I feel better and stronger every week. :)
Not much, only about 2kg.

Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on April 18, 2014, 11:18:54 PM
At around 6 weeks into recovery my legs feel good, strong and much more flexible. Only issue is my duck-ass and lower back-pain when I stand or walk longer. Although there was an improvement at ~ 4 weeks post lengthening, I don't see much progress the last 2 weeks.   
I keep you updated and try to stay positive and patient. :)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on April 30, 2014, 12:57:13 PM
My latest x-rays, 8 weeks after I stopped clicking:

(http://i57.tinypic.com/2gv33g6.jpg)

(http://i58.tinypic.com/bx1sz.jpg)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: onedayillgrow on April 30, 2014, 01:08:11 PM
Great stuff, very solid looking legs Hanna :) How do you feel biking or running or jogging? Also i'm amazed you managed to pull off so much on just one segment, are you not having any other problems other than duck ass? Like do you feel stiff etc? :O
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on April 30, 2014, 01:36:18 PM
Biking is no problem, I ride my exercise bike for at least 2 hours per day. Jogging or running is still far away, I'm still on crutches (I'll send the new x-rays to Dr. Betz and wait until his response) and I still have duck-ass. Surprisingly that's my only issue. I never had wide-legs or even a streching feeling on this part of my legs. I feel a bit stiff in the morning but it doesn't hold on very long.
But since I'm back at college I have to sit several hours per day, so in the evening the duck-ass seems worse. I need to stretch a lot and I need to be patient...  ::)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: RGKEY on April 30, 2014, 09:17:12 PM
Keep it up Hanna banana!!))
much love
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Claude on April 30, 2014, 09:28:49 PM
 :o thats very impressive. It looks very clean, your callus looks normal, so its all good. Hope your Duck-ass is not that bad (Stay in the DuckHouse bad duck, bad...joke ? ).
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: cavani on May 23, 2014, 06:35:59 PM
Hi Hanna, how are you doing now?
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on May 23, 2014, 07:40:18 PM
I'm fine, thank you. Nothing new, everything is all right  :)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Blackhawk on May 23, 2014, 10:42:44 PM
You wrote before that you went back to school recently.  How is it sitting in class and studying for many hours?  Do your legs still get stiff?  How long of a break would you recommend between the initial surgery and returning to class or a desk job?
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on May 24, 2014, 11:09:55 AM
Yes, that's right. After a few hours of sitting the legs still get very stiff.
If you have an office job it might be possible to walk a little during the day and/or lift your legs on a Second chair while working? I guess that would be very helpful.

I could have worked/ studied 4 weeks after surgery. I had no severe pain and didn't need to take painkillers during the day. But you don't know before how you will feel after surgery. I took one semester off and it was a good decision, I could focus on physio and recovery.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: onedayillgrow on May 24, 2014, 06:43:56 PM
Hi Hanna, is there any way to overcome this stiffness or does this stay forever? I'm pretty sure all people with natural legs get stiff/numb legs if sat on them for too long, like on the toilet etc? Or am i mistaken about this particular type of stiffness, may you or somebody please explain what type of stiffness this is and whether there is any solution to it. Thank you.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on June 26, 2014, 01:32:16 PM
Hello onedayillgrow,

sorry, I haven't seen your post!
Good news, stiffness is totally gone now. :-)
It's hard to describe to healthy people. :-/ I guess it's similar to what you described but even a bit more.

There's nothing new to report, except my latest x-rays:

left ap:
(http://i62.tinypic.com/vrscox.jpg)

left lateral:
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2rmwe8y.jpg)

right:
(http://i57.tinypic.com/9iz12g.jpg)

right lateral:
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2192r1d.jpg)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: paco1 on June 26, 2014, 06:01:50 PM
congratulations hanna.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on June 27, 2014, 11:49:24 AM
I'm allowed to walk completely without crutches now!!  :)
I'll start with short distances and will increase the amount of walking with every week, like Dr. Betz recommended.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: antoky on July 27, 2014, 04:09:02 AM
Hanna, thank you for your detailed diary so far!

Compliments on your wonderful achievement!

I've just sent my first e-mail to info@betzinsitute.com, asking for an operation toward the end of the forthcoming November:
I aim for 4,5 cm, starting from a 176,5 cm (a compromise between wanting to be taller, since so many years now-I am 44 y.o.- and not being off my work for too long).
I hope that this amount of lenghtening would keep very low the chances of not fully recover my actual fitness level.

Hanna, from Italy I wish you the best.

Take care.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on July 27, 2014, 01:58:13 PM
Hello antoky,

Good luck for your surgery! 4,5cm is not too much, so the risks are minimal and recovery will be quick.
Since Dr. Betz receives hundreds of emails per week, it's easier to reach him via phone.
If you have any questions, feel free to ask:)

Greetings,
Hanna
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: antoky on July 27, 2014, 02:14:06 PM
Thank you for your answer, Hanna: I asked you in order to know if this e-mail I sent my message to is still the good one or if there is some new e-mail address to write to.

Thanks for your advice: I will wait 4-5 days, then I will call him directly (the number would be this one: +49 (0) 6871.92 18 70, I copied and pasted it from his new site).

Keep on your wonderful (now downhill) journey!
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on July 27, 2014, 04:43:19 PM
Yes, the email-address and phone number are correct :-)
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: antoky on July 28, 2014, 11:11:40 AM
I thank you so much for taking time to answer my questions :)

Hanna, I just read your answer in reply to Sweden on the old forum: such a noble attitude of yours is so rare nowadays, when too many people around (especially girls!) are so eager to show EVERYTHING of their fleshes to ANYONE (see Instagram and such...).

So kudos for this and greetings from Italy.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: RGKEY on August 06, 2014, 12:41:57 AM
well Hana, there are people with anger issues all over the planet, what can we do my friend... just ignore them))
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: ShortyMcShort on August 06, 2014, 06:43:08 AM
Thats a part of the experience when you go with Dr Betz after what Sysop has done, people lost trust with Dr Betz including me. I see him differently now, Im sure he's a great Dr and does the job successfully, but he's probably a greater businessman from all the talks on both forums. Re that guy, just ignore him, just another troll with the Napoleon complex... Live your life and enjoy your new height, no need to pay attention to filth like that   


And in other news, hows your recovery atm?
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Hanna84 on August 06, 2014, 11:23:52 AM
Maybe you are right. i'm just not used to such hateful comments...

Now that I'm off crutches for a few weeks, I feel almost normal again. :-)
But I will stay careful and sports like jogging have to wait till my bones are 100% consolidated. Maybe I could do it earlier, but why risk any complications?
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: KrP1 on August 06, 2014, 01:49:35 PM
Have you got any stand photos to see your proportions?
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: ww19851014 on November 03, 2014, 05:27:43 PM
Hallo , I have a question please.
Will AOK or TK pay for the money used on LL?

Mfg
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: goodlucktomylegs on November 23, 2014, 02:59:37 PM
Hope you are fine

Any update please about walking , running
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: greatheight on March 18, 2015, 06:38:23 PM
i dont like betz but i wouldn't say things like that to his patients. poor people. it's not their fault.
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Ava on April 07, 2015, 09:29:23 PM
Hi Hanna,

How are you?
May I ask do you still need to send Dr Betz your x-ray screen? If yes, I am looking forward to see your latest x-ray update.

Ava
Title: Re: Hanna84 - Internal Femurs, Dr. Betz 2013
Post by: Tallexpectations on December 21, 2015, 01:13:40 AM
how are you hannah? it seems bets did a good job here