Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Patients Experiences => Topic started by: RGKEY on March 04, 2014, 05:24:27 PM
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I'm 9 months post op, lengthened for about 6 months and now im in consolidation period.
so far this has been the most difficult experience i have ever had.
Im glad the worst is over.
Before doing LL consider all the risks, and specially the fact that this process will almost kill you mentally and sometimes physically
here are some videos of my walking progress:
http://youtu.be/n-JryBTR_20
http://youtu.be/iHVGlXgwcFM
http://youtu.be/_h_eqyqXHRs
http://youtu.be/GsTCOV_0-Po
http://youtu.be/MVQzL0sJXqA
http://youtu.be/81QzJe_PH2w
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SO HERE IS A LINK TO MY YOUTUBE CHANEL, I MADE MANY VIDEOS EXPLAINING MY LL EXPERIENCE AND MY HUMBLE
RECOMMENDATIONS FROM A PATIENT POINT OF VIEW OFCOURSE!
WWW. youtube. com/channel/UCj5WI9i5aTBit4a_NZ_dmnQ
***BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO WRITE MY WHOLE DIARY AGAIN, AND I HOPE THE REAL REASON OF THIS SITE IS TO INFORM PEOPLE AND HELP OTHERS NO MATTER WHERE THE SOURCE IS FROM, HERE THERE IS A LINK OF MY DIARY FROM A DIFFERENT FORUM:
Make Me Taller Diary - Rgkey - External Tibias - Dr. Barinov - 2013 - External Classic Ilizarov http/www edit
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Hello hope you are doing good and fine, how tall you were before ? and how much did you paid for all
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Hello hope you are doing good and fine, how tall you were before ? and how much did you paid for all
Hi) I paid about 15000 us dollars for the surgery and covers 3 months. after that you can either rent an apartment for about 600 or700 dollars or stay in the clinic which cost 1500 us dollars.
i would suggest to have at least 25k if you are planning to do 7cms or more.
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You have a big and tall torso. Proportion won't be a big issue I suppose.
All the best with consolidation and walking back.
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You have a big and tall torso. Proportion won't be a big issue I suppose.
All the best with consolidation and walking back.
thank you!))
the funny thing is that the doctor didnt recommend me to go over 7cms proportion wise, this just to show that you cant really predict how you will look after lengthening even with the photoshop pictures. You must lengthen and see in real time how you are looking so far)))) movement change the whole picture!!)))
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Yes, absolutely. My photoshop mock-ups looked a bit strange even with 7cm... when I was at 7cm I decided to lengthen more. :)
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Yes, absolutely. My photoshop mock-ups looked a bit strange even with 7cm... when I was at 7cm I decided to lengthen more. :)
that's the way to go)
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quick update:
today I'm super sore because I started walking with weights on my shoulders, so I am feeling it now))) it's a good feeling thou.
My calfs are sore and so my shoulders, but im sure in few day itll be gone))
Dr. BB was super imprese he even gave me a chocolate))) and reminded me to eat well because I was killing too many calories now coming from him it means a lot!!!! because He will never be satisfy with your amount of exercises, and every time you complain abut something is wrong he would immediately say You must walk more lol so for him to give me such complement it means a lot))))
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I watched your no guarantees video and I admire your honesty on CLL and the adversity that comes on a day to day basis while lengthening.
I'd recommend your video channel to all future CLL'ers !!
You have been really helpful :D
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I watched your no guarantees video and I admire your honesty on CLL and the adversity that comes on a day to day basis while lengthening.
I'd recommend your video channel to all future CLL'ers !!
You have been really helpful :D
I see you want to do 6cms on femurs and 4 on tibias)) if you can afford it I think that is the best choice you can make!!! just stick with it!!))
if you do less than 7cms in one part your recovery will be much better!!!! I like your plan and your mindset))
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Thanks man!!
I worked my ass off and thankfully will be able to afford both.
I really do not want to exceed 6 cm on femurs and 5 cm on tibias cause of higher complication risks.
I will be very happy with 9-10 cm gain but not more because I have a small body frame and will look disproportionate. I guess working out after surgery will improve this.
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Thanks man!!
I worked my ass off and thankfully will be able to afford both.
I really do not want to exceed 6 cm on femurs and 5 cm on tibias cause of higher complication risks.
I will be very happy with 9-10 cm gain but not more because I have a small body frame and will look disproportionate. I guess working out after surgery will improve this.
being in a good shape always help))
i recommend you to do internal on femurs and external(ilizarov) on tibias. Regardless of the discomfort of having frames, ilizarov is the safest device out there. And for femurs, if you want to go more than 5cms then do internal.
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so now I walk for about 15-20 minutes 3 times a day with a 20 litters gallon on my shoulder for better consolidation of the bone. And I
must say after doing all my searching and talking to my doctor Im coming to the conclusion that, despite the discomfort and
inconvenience, Ilizarov Apparatus is the safest device out there for tibias))))
http://youtu.be/D6htRwaWLqQ
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To all other former lilizarov lengtheners,
How safe/recommendable is to carry extra weight at this stage while you still got the frames on? Would like to hear some opinions. Thanks!
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Is this something advised by your doctor or you just do it on your own?
so now I walk for about 15-20 minutes 3 times a day with a 20 litters gallon on my shoulder for better consolidation of the bone. And I
must say after doing all my searching and talking to my doctor Im coming to the conclusion that, despite the discomfort and
inconvenience, Ilizarov Apparatus is the safest device out there for tibias))))
http://youtu.be/D6htRwaWLqQ
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To all other former lilizarov lengtheners,
How safe/recommendable is to carry extra weight at this stage while you still got the frames on? Would like to hear some opinions. Thanks!
@Leornardo: it is completely safe))
the worst that can happen is that you will break a pin or two, then just have your doctor replace it)))) each pin supports 120 pounds, and right now I have 6 pins on each leg.
@Mediocre: Yes I asked my doctor if I could do it, my doctor said it is really good for me to do it, specially at the stage of consolidation, it will help the bones a lot more) of course he didn't believe I could do it, but Im all about consolidating my bones and getting my frames off and actually he is the one filming me on this video.
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Awesome videos. I will watch them all when I get home.
Sorry, I didn't copy and paste your diary from the old forum as promise. I don't have access to the old forum and thinking of how to get there feels like a drag.
But I think what you have on here so far is sufficient. Had I have access to your diary one year ago, I would have gone to Russia and wouldn't be in a mess where I am now.
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Awesome videos. I will watch them all when I get home.
Sorry, I didn't copy and paste your diary from the old forum as promise. I don't have access to the old forum and thinking of how to get there feels like a drag.
But I think what you have on here so far is sufficient. Had I have access to your diary one year ago, I would have gone to Russia and wouldn't be in a mess where I am now.
oh man sorry to hear that((((( i will read ur diary to see what happened, but in any case everything can be fix. eve if it takes a lot of you to get it fix. i guess u are finish with LL. so u have my respect sir. and from faraway i send you a big hug. get better dude)) stay optimistic))
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quick update:
so today I walked literary from 10am to5:30 pm only sit to eat and go to the toilet, So many beautiful and happy women today!!!
because here in Russia 8 of march is a very important holiday for women, so in the offices they celebrate it today. I met a super hot
sexy woman today!! maybe that's why I couldn't stop walking haha, anyway, I slept from 6pm to about 9pm and now is about midnight
and I cant sleep!!! just spending time on the forums chatting with people, I just finished watching "Dallas buyers club" very
impressive!!!! awesome acting and just a good movie over all.
Rgkey,
one thing im not liking is coping and pasting from one diary to another, right now is not problems because i have all the time in the world but when i go back home i dont think itll be possible specially doing it from my phone(((( so i apologize in advance for that
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Do Russian women dig foreign men as they do in India? In India, we were like locked up in cages. The only glimpse of female is when a school girl passes by our window.
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Any hint of worry over there by Dr Barinov's team regarding the impact of Russia's involvement in Crimea?
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@smallguy (bigguy) depends, well they dig handsome and overall not freaky guys lol but I think anywhere you go the fact that you are a foreigner helps, at least this has always being for me. They will not fk you or date you just because you are tall, short, handsome, black, brown or white, but they will if your game is tight)) The only issue with russian girls is that not all speak english.
@Mediocre, yes a little but not much.
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my latest pic few day ago
(http://i.imgur.com/q8FKV1Cl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/z5QWNZ1l.jpg)
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Great update Rgkey,
Those are awesome staus pictures. Your legs look very straight, one of the benefits of externals only is corrections can be made to prevent malalignment.
It looks like you can stand and move around without any pain at all.
Do you still feel pin cutting from all the moving around?
Russia looks like a nice place to do LL. Is that "feisty girl" one of the "girls" people can meet in Russia? Lol!
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Are you thinking of femur LL after this?
my latest pic few day ago
(http://i.imgur.com/q8FKV1Cl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/z5QWNZ1l.jpg)
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@mediocre: yes)) as much as Ilizarov can be uncomfortable, it is also the greatest device for everything else!! easy to correct your legs and make them look to perfection!!)) yeah that's the only dark girl I found)) and I fell in love with her))) Oh, about the pins, pin cutting a little, but I feel it more around the pin, not in the skin, is more like where the pins and the bones are, every time I step in a particular position I feel pain very bearable but it makes me not walk as straight as I wish I could.
@cyber: Yes! i would love to do femurs, 5cms and I think I would look much better (from my own opinion) but first i would need to recover to 110%, at least my flexibility is almost all back)) just need to make sure my bones are completely strong and my muscles lose tightness, which I hope it'll improve a lot once the frames are removed.
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Here a link with most of the pictures I posted on my other diary:
http://imgur.com/a/gQ0Ko
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I think March 8 is International Women's Day.
because here in Russia 8 of march is a very important holiday for women, so in the offices they celebrate it today. I met a super hot...
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I think March 8 is International Women's Day.
That's right. However here in Russia it is a Holliday and it's a big deal. Few days ago it was Men's day as well and For the first time in my life I got congrats for being a man))) it was strange and awesome)))
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Can you do the surgery and go back home?
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It does sound like a huge deal there.
That's right. However here in Russia it is a Holliday and it's a big deal. Few days ago it was Men's day as well and For the first time in my life I got congrats for being a man))) it was strange and awesome)))
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@prettytall: no you must stay at least for the lengthening period, they will not allow it, and trust me, if you do external, you want to be under supervision.
@mediocre: most definitely))))
Quick update:
so today I was super lazy, my roommate and i went to visit other friends apartment, the girls there cooked awesome pasta, and let me tell you cakes in Russia are the best I have ever had in my whole life!!! cakes are amazing!! and the girls rock! cooking and all with crutches((( i felt bad i was helping and they demanded me to not do anything, but I was like what the fk!! I felt bad but anyway, we all had an awesome time at their place))))
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They will not f**k you or date you just because you are tall, short, handsome, black, brown or white, but they will if your game is tight)) The only issue with russian girls is that not all speak english.
I like your bluntness. You are absolutely right. Being tall is one thing but it doesn't carry you to a woman's bed. You need, as you said, tight game and an effort to make things happen.
Your pic looks great. Cool tatoo on the arm. It makes you look like the boss.
Wow, girls, in frames and apron, cooking delicious cakes. Are they also wearing skirts? It must be a tease being stuck in frames for 8 months but I guess you only need to put up with this for a little while more and you are done.
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@smallguy: man, and I wish I have your English)))) honestly cakes and women is the best things that this country has to offer lol
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So it's about 6am, I woke up about an hour ago, now can't sleep. I was thinking of copying and posting my diary but I think ill just post pictures and maybe a quick description of whats going on.
This was my first room and the shoes you see lifted me 6.5cms taller))
(http://i.imgur.com/WB9HWYEl.jpg)
Meet Doctor victor, the oldest doctor here, funny dude.
(http://i.imgur.com/EhCEGJ4l.jpg)
parties
(http://i.imgur.com/4oqs4Wyl.jpg)
flexibility at 9cms!)) getting it back))
(http://i.imgur.com/rOrqZFBl.jpg)
my present roommate, he lengthened 6.3cms
(http://i.imgur.com/SAryrgHl.jpg)
my man Anton from Ukraine
(http://i.imgur.com/16Z3mFsl.jpg)
being playful)) never hurts))
(http://i.imgur.com/FvHaPXdl.jpg)
a gift for christmas
(http://i.imgur.com/8Sq4fjCl.jpg)
this is when they had to relocate my ring because it went to high on my knee, they didnt have to but i asked for it)))
(http://i.imgur.com/Uh49Cycl.jpg)
got watermelon?
(http://i.imgur.com/2IIwxJRl.jpg)
meet Irina, she is in charge of the foreign patients! she saved my life during the first month post op! love her))
(http://i.imgur.com/Pr2mJJNl.jpg)
dude is always playing chess, didnt even realized i was taking a picture, he is an oldy))
(http://i.imgur.com/XerDlJll.jpg)
working against knee contraction)))
(http://i.imgur.com/Ek3G4XAl.jpg)
girl leaving, one love out((((( she was my first kiss in Russia)
(http://i.imgur.com/R8fClLHl.jpg)
what can i say she gave me her best face))
(http://i.imgur.com/gFURFUSl.jpg)
leg is long!!
(http://i.imgur.com/KsSWj34l.jpg)
playing games at a party
(http://i.imgur.com/zWmA1Hml.jpg)
my friend alexander, now we are the same height
(http://i.imgur.com/eVRd6bil.jpg)
another love))
(http://i.imgur.com/Ggi34dnl.jpg)
going out to the store in the summer
(http://i.imgur.com/cNbkTvql.jpg)
how cute, another love))) i really loved this girl a lot!! she made me coffee every day, did my bed, did my laundry awww!!! i miss her so much!!! she came back and visited me too, so bad we live so far away from each other!!!
(http://i.imgur.com/C5Oi7nvl.jpg)
she is really a party type of girl but very sweet)))
(http://i.imgur.com/J72lT58l.jpg)
any other way to eat an apple???????
(http://i.imgur.com/77os0cHl.jpg)
oh!! me standing with my lifts after lengthening, so technically i am about 178cm here!)) from 163 to 178 crazy)))
(http://i.imgur.com/gp4VE6xl.jpg)
she is now one of my best friends!!! but she lives in China(((( english teacher))
(http://i.imgur.com/7jLMKpcl.jpg)
lovo love love
(http://i.imgur.com/6P1LzCYl.jpg)
this girl actually gave me pain killers shots for awhile because she is also a nurse)))
(http://i.imgur.com/Fl4i4Bml.jpg)
love, regular visits to the room))
(http://i.imgur.com/REu3RqDl.jpg)
my kitty cat!
(http://i.imgur.com/KeIrUaol.jpg)
going out with a friend
(http://i.imgur.com/7LGWmnJl.jpg)
with a love in a restaurant, this is the girl that made me coffee, she came back to visit after 2 months.
(http://i.imgur.com/u1GxyM3l.jpg)
my last x-ray left leg on 2/28/14
(http://i.imgur.com/QCjeB92l.jpg)
right leg 2/28/14
(http://i.imgur.com/OB2pMJtl.jpg)
my protein powder
(http://i.imgur.com/7xNLw1il.jpg)
in a restaurant with a lovely girl))
(http://i.imgur.com/5K76PCXl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Fh5Ups7l.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/j190NPSl.jpg)
this is me going from 220 pound to 160 pounds))))
(http://i.imgur.com/400CW4ol.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/8G8Mb91l.jpg)
wine)))
(http://i.imgur.com/eFK72FFl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/orvm7gql.png)
with my very good friend on my birthday)) i got super drunk very big mistake, i had a very bad reaction on my pins.
(http://i.imgur.com/jkGZluOl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3wzsayHl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/xnnELfDl.jpg)
drunk
(http://i.imgur.com/478oBfHl.jpg)
Meet doctor Barinov!! he is the one who make the magic happen around here)))
(http://i.imgur.com/z51xcLPl.jpg)
OK< SO THIS IS THE RESULT OF MY CELEBRATION: NEVER DRINK IF YOU HAVE ALREADY A PIN INFECTION, THIS WILL f**k YOU UP BIG TIME!!! LEARN FROM MY MISTAKES!!
(http://i.imgur.com/iUbiKdJl.jpg)
girls are crazy, they just found a nice kitty on the streets and adopted him lol, so many street cats in russia thou....
(http://i.imgur.com/Axt1Z5Jl.jpg)
my best breakfast))
(http://i.imgur.com/xPKs8oFl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Vx5bmh7l.jpg)
best kisser ever, unfortunately she is gone(((( she made me feel like I was 15 again!!!!
(http://i.imgur.com/7B0ty5Kl.jpg)
visiting friends
(http://i.imgur.com/ME7FTrBl.jpg)
legs celebration, there frames were removed
(http://i.imgur.com/aRrAABWl.jpg)
ohh i love this man, my second roommate, he is super awesome!!!my brother))
(http://i.imgur.com/7AfTv9tl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Ldt66yBl.jpg)
this is what's up)) this is why I want to marry russian women!!!!
(http://i.imgur.com/Mg3DdS6l.jpg)
she is a natural 171cms and im a 163.5, but somehow our sitting height is around the same)) i think i have a long torso for my natural height.
(http://i.imgur.com/WDAfcKdl.jpg)
walking along the river, very nice place, probably the only place I really like in this city
(http://i.imgur.com/HQReNDVl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/jBSSuKxl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/WDDydKY.jpg)
meet doctor Pabel
(http://i.imgur.com/etUHvaGl.png)
This will be the longest post i ever do))) now time to sleep I think))
(http://i.imgur.com/zy1GWtVl.jpg)
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wow lengthening in Russia sound an awesome idea..
and those Russian girls seems to be really fun to hang out with :D
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Wooow so many girls i am jelly
Btw rgkey, did you stay at the hospital after 3 months or you rent an appartment? Looks like you stay in the hospital
And btw how is the internet in volgograd? How much that is cost and how fast :), it will be very cool if you can answer me cuz i need fast internet to work :)
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Nice photos man!!
You had plenty of fun lengthening with gorgeous ladies;)
It seems that Russian girls have fun with guys regardless of their height.
I know two beautiful Russian girls in my country who stand at 170cm.
One is actually dating a shorter guy (165cm) since high school and the other doesn't seem to care about height and parties/gets laid with shorter and taller guys.
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Yup, those Russian women are gorgeous.
It's hard for Canadian girls to achieve that kind of body with our sedentary lifestyle. I have to be careful of what I label as hot girls in my own diary. Otherwise, you'll be disappointed when you head over here.
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This guy is cruising thru his LL with women helping out with his joystick. LOL, Im jealous.
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This is like LL party in Ibiza!
Russian girls are so down to earth.
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I didn't know so many girls do LL in Russia, why?
Btw, you are one cool person. You seem to have so much fun and energy. 8)
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@Disobedient, for a straight man, being surround nice girls is always a good idea no matter what the situation is))))
@blablabla, i stayed at the clinic, the internet is descent to slow(((( at nights is better thou.
@therisingshorty, yes absolutely, here many girls have less issues with heights than other girls. Many girls here had issues understanding why in the fk i am doing this. For them is more important proportions, body shape and a nice face (from a aesthetic view of course) But even back home I was getting good quality women that weren't Russian. You don't really need height to get pretty girls)) you need tight game most of all, by that i mean a nice personality and know when and how to get out of the friend zone. And the good thing here is that you have all the time in the world to do your thing)) Personally I always liked, and now I'm like in love with Russian women, there is an essence of woman that drives me crazy!!!! it is not only that they are beautiful but they know how to be women and that just kills me inside)
@smallguy, yeah i thought NY had pretty girls, which is true but over here in russia is almost everyone. or even a 9 or a 10 in NY is hard to find sometimes. Here when I go to the mall or just to the corner you always find a 9 or a 10.
As much as this experience has been so cruel and fking difficult, it has been also amazing and fun!)) But at the end of the day you decide how to make use of your time and space, when you feel really bad it is easier to just feel worse, but you must try to feel better by living in the moment and making the best of it. Make sure to choose a place with people that are doing correction, their recovery is much faster and this will help you a lot. Look sharp and motivated all the time, just as if you were vacationing in a different country)) I always put in my mind like most days were adventures for me))) And most of the time they really were))
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This is like LL party in Ibiza!
Russian girls are so down to earth.
yes i heard about that place))) I think any foreigner tends to be more down to earth and nicer in a different country. But yes i agree russian girls are down to earth but just like spanish girls, or even americans or swedish)))
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I didn't know so many girls do LL in Russia, why?
Btw, you are one cool person. You seem to have so much fun and energy. 8)
they were doing correction of legs)) they are like obsess with perfect straight legs))
and thank you!)) it is very important when you do LL to be this way.
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The tall, lanky guy just looks so weird he seems to have Marfan's.
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The tall, lanky guy just looks so weird he seems to have Marfan's.
Lol I won't say anything because he is a friend but I think it was good he stoped at 6cms lol
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Sorry man I'm just being honest.
Congrats for losing weight too! Amazing.
Where can I find those shoes with lift? Looks so comfy. I wanna buy them. Seriously.
Lol I won't say anything because he is a friend but I think it was good he stoped at 6cms lol
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Sorry man I'm just being honest.
Congrats for losing weight too! Amazing.
Where can I find those shoes with lift? Looks so comfy. I wanna buy them. Seriously.
bugarri shoes, but i think they don't make good ones anymore, however, they make new ones all the time, there are other brands but they are really pricy but very good looking)))) if u shoot me an meal i can send you links)))
rgkey12345@gmail.com
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Ok. Will email you once I get home.
bugarri shoes, but i think they don't make good ones anymore, however, they make new ones all the time, there are other brands but they are really pricy but very good looking)))) if u shoot me an meal i can send you links)))
rgkey12345@gmail.com
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I have a few questions for dr barinov or you.
How long does it take to lengthen and consolidate 5 cm , average speaking?
Do you walk like before once the ilizarov frames are removed??
Can you run after 1 year, in 5cm case?
What are the prices and does it include additional surgery in case something goes wrong?
If i follow everything doctors say to me, what are the chances of serious complications?
How long does it take to preorder the surgery, i mean like from the first visit to the surgery,how long is that?
Will i feel any pain a year after the surgery if i do 5cm?
You'll do me a great favor if you can answer correctly all these questions , wish you the best luck to return to your normal life
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I have a few questions for dr barinov or you.
How long does it take to lengthen and consolidate 5 cm , average speaking?
Do you walk like before once the ilizarov frames are removed??
Can you run after 1 year, in 5cm case?
What are the prices and does it include additional surgery in case something goes wrong?
If i follow everything doctors say to me, what are the chances of serious complications?
How long does it take to preorder the surgery, i mean like from the first visit to the surgery,how long is that?
Will i feel any pain a year after the surgery if i do 5cm?
You'll do me a great favor if you can answer correctly all these questions , wish you the best luck to return to your normal life
5 months but i wouldnt recommend anyone to count on it.
you must walk next day after operation)) and after the frames are removed as well)) and swimming.
usually yes, at least 2 months after frames are removed. But doctor usually recommends 6 months
12500 euros for 3 months all inclusive. after that 1000 if you live in the clinic, any surgery or complication as long as is not your fault it is covered by the clinic.
none. But in the worst scenario you might have to stop lengthening.
I had consultation on the 3rd and I had surgery on the 4th.
no pain.
I would just recommend to you if you want to do this, you must have a "no guarantees" type of mind set. Dr. barinov will put your health number 1, so as long as you follow all he says, which most people don't, you really have very little chances of serious complications. As a matter fact, he would not allow you to keep lengthening if something is really wrong. Knee contraction and ballerina are the most serious problems, and if any of these happen is usually because of people laziness.
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no pictures?
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no pictures?
Not yet lol
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I have small shoulder
Is it possible for me to have big shoulder like you ? XD
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I have small shoulder
Is it possible for me to have big shoulder like you ? XD
if you work them out it can really help you))
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Quick update, we had a long weekend because of women's international day, Monday no one worked and this place was empty which kinda of made me go super lazy, i managed to walk about 3 to 4 hours a day on this weekend. Today tuesday, I already walked 3 hours and is about 2:25pm so Im confident I will do my usual 7 or 8 hours!))))
I asked my doctor to do mock up pic for me with 5 more cms on my femur so here it is:
Let me know what you all think, I would really appreciate it!)) be completely honest please:
me at 177.5
(http://i.imgur.com/hQ2E8mjl.jpg)
me now at 172.5
(http://i.imgur.com/q8FKV1Cl.jpg)
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I don't usually advocate more than 10cm of lengthening but you look better at 177 than 172.
I don't know if this is just me but at 172, I think your femur is too short.
Quick update, we had a long weekend because of women's international day, Monday no one worked and this place was empty which kinda of made me go super lazy, i managed to walk about 3 to 4 hours a day on this weekend. Today tuesday, I already walked 3 hours and is about 2:25pm so Im confident I will do my usual 7 or 8 hours!))))
I asked my doctor to do mock up pic for me with 5 more cms on my femur so here it is:
Let me know what you all think, I would really appreciate it!)) be completely honest please:
me at 177.5
(http://i.imgur.com/hQ2E8mjl.jpg)
me now at 172.5
(http://i.imgur.com/q8FKV1Cl.jpg)
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You have better proportions at 172cm.
But as we all know, the difference between 172cm and 177cm is almost night and day.
In this case, more height > better proportions.
We have the same starting height as I am 163cm. My target is 176 - 180cm.
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Since you are wearing shorts, I am able to see the disproportion between your long tibias and short femurs. But if you put on pants/jeans, you would have the perfect proportion between your torso and legs and no one will notice the disproportionate legs.
By adding 5 cm on your femurs then your legs will be more proportionate but may create disproportion between your torso and legs especially with a tucked in shirt and formal shoes which adds about 1-2 inches of height.
I personally place equal importance between height and proportion and therefore hold the same view as mediocre, not to exceed 10 cm.
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Great point.
Perhaps, once you can wear pants and short pants like below, we can compare.
(http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/556183717/Mens-flax-cargo-trousers-fashion-Drawstring-linen-shorts-Mens-breathable-Short-trousers-casual-fifth-pants-Man.jpg)
Since you are wearing shorts, I am able to see the disproportion between your long tibias and short femurs. But if you put on pants/jeans, you would have the perfect proportion between your torso and legs and no one will notice the disproportionate legs.
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thank you all for your opinions!!! i really appreciate them!!!!)))
those are some nice short pants Mediocre! if I get to be 177cm ill be wearing those short pants with really flat shoes with no heels!!)))) ahh that'll be super cool)))
before the operation Doctor told me that I had disproportion of 8.6cms, my torso was much bigger than my legs, this is why I decided
to go for 9cms in the first place. But now when I walk and talk to people they think I haven't even started lengthening of course when
I am wearing pants. Even when I wear short pants is difficult to tell because most short pants I like are a little below the knee, just
like the shorts that mediocre posted.
Adriano, yes you are right If you compare my torso and my legs, i have better proportions now. One thing thou maybe you have this too, I have very wide back and wide shoulders, and when I work them out they look even wider, so I think doing 5cm would be ok with movement.
TheRisingShorty, yes for me is very important proportions that's why I ask for different opinions. You might point something that I am missing))) so good point about wearing shoes too)) My disproportion with torso will be exactly about 5cms if i lengthen them, because as right now my torso and legs are pretty much the same. Awesome name!! by the way))))
No one has mention anything about my arms, so Im guessing they will look fine.
As right now I don't like too much the disproportion of my tibias with femurs but I dont think is so bad really, it doesnt bother me that much)) You will notice it maybe if you look at me in boxers like in the picture, but who will be looking at my legs when im wearing underwear or im nked?? well I hope only the ladies!!)))) and when that time arrives who cares we are both nked)))))
this is me walking in shorts and in pants. Can you tell the disproportions??? tibia vs femur??
http://youtu.be/GsTCOV_0-Po
http://youtu.be/81QzJe_PH2w
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It looks that you're better off with pants.
I still feel your body is really tall/long (and wide) to get more limb lengthening although I probably won't push it really.
I'm not sure if you lose more weight, probably you don't need LL to get better proportion.
I didn't notice your arms.
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It looks that you're better off with pants.
I still feel your body is really tall/long (and wide) to get more limb lengthening although I probably won't push it really.
I'm not sure if you lose more weight, probably you don't need LL to get better proportion.
I didn't notice your arms.
you are probably right, plus I got so fat during LL lol Everyday I eat like there are no tomorrows. More Limb Lengthening? no way! I would look like a circus freak)) maybe femurs. In any case I need to recover 100% from this, and maybe this will never happen so maybe no more LL for me.
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Buddy, I think you have the proportion for another 8cm in the femur. Your shoulders are very broad and your femurs are short to begin with.
That would make you 181cm, a perfect height of a Korean movie star. Combine with your already good looks and your new height, if you come to Vancouver, women will drool over you. You will have the height of 181cm but the experience and wisdom of someone 163cm.
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Buddy, I think you have the proportion for another 8cm in the femur. Your shoulders are very broad and your femurs are short to begin with.
That would make you 181cm, a perfect height of a Korean movie star. Combine with your already good looks and your new height, if you come to Vancouver, women will drool over you. You will have the height of 181cm but the experience and wisdom of someone 163cm.
Haha you crack me up man!! Lol yeah definitely the wisdom of a 163cm man)) I think another 8cms I don't know if I could ever be able to recover from that. I wish I could thou 180cm seems pretty ideal.
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I think your torso can handle 5cm in your femur, but as you said you have to full recover first, who knows maybe you'll be happy with you height and proportion and you wont need 2nd surgery..
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There's no way your hands c an handle another 5 to 7 cm. You guys shouldn't encourage things like that. He'll be a freak. Unless he plans on lengthening his arms.
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I think your torso can handle 5cm in your femur, but as you said you have to full recover first, who knows maybe you'll be happy with you height and proportion and you wont need 2nd surgery..
I think exactly like what you just have said. Thanx girl)) it's good to have a woman opinion))
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There's no way your hands c an handle another 5 to 7 cm. You guys shouldn't encourage things like that. He'll be a freak. Unless he plans on lengthening his arms.
7cm is too much, but 5cm is reasonable amount .. based in the pic he posted I don't think he'll looks freak, and his arm is just fine...
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Trust me on this, he'll be freaky. People can get away with 12cm 13 max, doesn't matter how you cut it.
Good luck Chuck.
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Hey guys, so I made a video of me walking with my 7cms lifts. I know the proportions of my tibias and femurs will be all crazy but at
least to have an idea of what is me walking at around 178cms. And my proportions between my legs, arms and torso.
I know what I think, but please let me know what you all think, maybe Im missing something. Im actually considering wearing these
bad boys once I recover 50% from my Lengthening. Just let me know what you think in terms or my proportions between my torso
my arms and my legs in real movement. I know how pictures can be different from reality sometimes. Thank u in advance))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tChzq8LGxBs&list=UUj5WI9i5aTBit4a_NZ_dmnQ&feature=share
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I think you should be able to get away with 5 cms on femurs but I wouldn't do much more than that.
You might be a little leggy but only the proportion nazis might notice.
Normal people probably won't notice.
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While seeing videos like these is awesome, the problem with is that you're wearing all black clothes which makes it impossible to judge your proportions. And still, people here are debating centimeters they can barely see... :o They're also filmed from an angle downwards and that will skew the perspective a lot.
If you could make a video filmed from around half your total height, with lighter pants and maybe a tucked in shirt or t-shirt of different color, that would be much more meaningful for us to judge.
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What old forum Partyleaks said is true. It's hard to determine your proportion shooting downward. Can you do like me, place your ipad or camera on a chair and shoot up? (Or have your buddy sit down). Then walk side to side.
Also, what do you think of me base on my video? Can I can manage another 8cm of lengthening in the femur?
Btw, when I listen to your song, images of Russian babes pop up in head :-)
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What old forum Partyleaks said is true. It's hard to determine your proportion shooting downward. Can you do like me, place your ipad or camera on a chair and shoot up? (Or have your buddy sit down). Then walk side to side.
OBG's proportions video is a perfect example (as is more or less the rest of his lengthening process and result).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlQ8BYf2ey4
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yeah guys I didnt think of that, the whole video thing(( also for now its hard for me to find different pants now because of my frames but Ill do it as son as I get them off)) But i guess you could make an opinion of how my arms look??
hehe yeah the underwear video must wait for when I get back home)) plus wearing my lifts in underwear would distract the eyes for making an opinion of my proportions of doing 5 more cms since my tibias would look enormous, ill try it thou
smallguy: are you wearing lifts on your videos?? it seems like it, from what I see, you look as proportional as you can get)) you look awesome! i wouldnt do anymore, unless you are wearing lifts and then you could lengthen whatever you lifts are giving you plus an extra 2 or 3 centimeters max. Thats what i think brother))
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Yeah when I watched the video I noticed your arm length and I imagined you with a couple more inches on your legs. It definitely looks like you can do 5 cms on your femurs.
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Yeah when I watched the video I noticed your arm length and I imagined you with a couple more inches on your legs. It definitely looks like you can do 5 cms on your femurs.
thanx blackhawk, ill make another video with frames off and different clothing later) in any case i wouldn't go more than 5cms anyway)) I think that is my max, 14cms is all my torso and arms could take if not less
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Quick Update,
So this week:
I broke 2 pins near to my ankle, they where fixed by Dr. Pabel and the f**king drill stopped in the middle of my leg!! because the battery died!!! I mean it wasnt that painful, but it looked pretty bad thou lol. So they charge the battery for 2 minutes then second try and the drill now stopped right before it cut my skin through, I was like f**k!!! haha So I saw the pin trying to go through my skin but it just did not, the battery again ran off((( so again 5 more minutes to charge it. Dr. Pabel gave me more anesthesia just in case. Then he asked me If he could try to push it with a hammer, so I said "ok, what the f**k" so he tried but it did not go through. 3rd try with the drill, this time the pin went through my skin finally!! hurrah!!
I really didnt want to change these pins since I might get my frames off very soon and I feel very good, but Doctor Barinov did't want me to risk anything, he always looks up for me I love him.
So that was the highlights of my week. Other than that, just walking so much. I think if i can walk like this with my frames on, I think my recovery from this will be good. I walked an average of 6 hours a day, almost like a full time job lol Ive never walk that much before in my life.
I met a beautiful girl, gave her a hug and a kiss and will see what happens))) they just opened a new office and just found out that it is a tourist agency so most of them speak english!! things are looking good around here!))
anyway that is it for now. Today sunday just chilling and being lazy, hard to find motivation when there is not people in this building!! I dont know how people do it when they live in apartments by them self. well tomorrow is Monday!!)) funny how now i look forward Monday))
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Those drill snafus sound scary!
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Wow, six hours a day? 4 was my record during recovery, but that was just once, and it was after my frames were off. No wonder you managed to break two pins, but congratulations on your excellent mobility. 8)
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Hey RG,
Do you know if the Dr. will be performing the surgery at the clinic or it will be at the hospital. I think I read somewhere that he was planning on trying to do it at the clinic? Do you know if this is true? Also, how long is the surgery itself? I think I had read somewhere that someone said it was 30mins?
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smallguy: are you wearing lifts on your videos?? it seems like it, from what I see, you look as proportional as you can get)) you look awesome! i wouldnt do anymore, unless you are wearing lifts and then you could lengthen whatever you lifts are giving you plus an extra 2 or 3 centimeters max. Thats what i think brother))
Good eyes. I am wearing lifts :D
It's a regular insole that you can get for a shoes store. It's about .5 inch and my shoes are 1inch. So if I look normal in that video, then I will have proportion for 1.5 inches. I probably go past my proportion of 1inch for a total of 2.5 inch. But that is the price for reaching the Korean movie star ideal height of 180cm.
Then when I go home, I will wear Mephisto flat shoes.
It's great to hear that your doctor take such good care of you. I so wished that I have gone to Russia for LL. But it's too late now.
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OBG's proportions video is a perfect example (as is more or less the rest of his lengthening process and result).
Well, OBG already started out as 5'8. So he can talk about proportion. But for short a guy like myself, I don't think I have that much choices. I probably sacrifice some proportion to reach my ideal. I'm already wearing .5 lift and nike shoes, so I have a feeling of what it's going to be like having my legs a bit longer.
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Those drill snafus sound scary!
It looks scary too))
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Wow, six hours a day? 4 was my record during recovery, but that was just once, and it was after my frames were off. No wonder you managed to break two pins, but congratulations on your excellent mobility. 8)
yeah i think that's why I guess)) My max was 8 hours a day. I hope this mean that when my frames are off I will feel a lot better??
Thank you!)
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@smallguy: I think u can get the korean star height you desire))) yes, wearing flat shoes is also a dream for me)))
@shawdy: as far as i know, the op is still at the hospital, I spoke about this with him last week. Maybe it has change in the last few days?? i dont know((( the op i think is about 1 or 2 hours I think. I dont really remember
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I find people who wear flat shoes are ultimately sexy.
Some guys at my gym wear air max 360 for the high platform and I know there is something wrong with them, like their insecurity.
Wearing flat shoes also help you have straight postures and are healthy for your legs. This will make you look even more sexy and is healthy for your legs.
Lucky for you, you have the proportion to go for more, which I don't have much of.
I can't find a pic of a male wearing flat shoes. But here is female version if you wear flat shoes.
(http://i58.tinypic.com/x60qwx.jpg)
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You are right, flat shoes and short pants!! Awesome!! I don't know about my proportions anymore, I need to make a better video and pictures once my frames are removed. It's hard to tell now. You can also handle some lengthening, and then u might have to use flat shoes constanly)) no more lifts!!)
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when your frame will be removed, rgkey?
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when your frame will be removed, rgkey?
Hopefully next month, I have xray next week and the doctor will decide))) wish me luck!!
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Ive been there man(( I totally know what you go through, sucks!
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Hopefully next month, I have xray next week and the doctor will decide))) wish me luck!!
Good luck, don't forget to post it , if u can ..
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RGKey,
What's the recommended distraction rate during tibial lengthening and can you summarize yours? I'm a little confused about turnings. How many turns is how many mm? Thank you.
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The maximun should be 1 mm a day. Some times i went down to half mm a day. This is the max becausr that is how babys grow. They grow 3cms a month maximun.
My lengthening, good point:
I started at 1mm a day which is 4 turns a day 90degrees 7am, 11am, 3pm, 7pm.
Because of pain, ballerina and knee contraction I stopped many times to fix it. One time I stopped lengthening for 2 weeks.
When i got to 8cms i turn.only 2 times a day.
Keep this in mind. The amount of tuening is not always reflected on the final.height gain. I turned for 120 days but i only lengthened 9cm. The reason is pin bending.
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Good luck, don't forget to post it , if u can ..
Thank u!!)) Yes i will try!
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The maximun should be 1 mm a day. Some times i went down to half mm a day. This is the max becausr that is how babys grow. They grow 3cms a month maximun.
My lengthening, good point:
I started at 1mm a day which is 4 turns a day 90degrees 7am, 11am, 3pm, 7pm.
Because of pain, ballerina and knee contraction I stopped many times to fix it. One time I stopped lengthening for 2 weeks.
When i got to 8cms i turn.only 2 times a day.
Keep this in mind. The amount of tuening is not always reflected on the final.height gain. I turned for 120 days but i only lengthened 9cm. The reason is pin bending.
So 120 days and achieved 9 cm. That's awesome! how much then do you estimate you lost from the pin bending?
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@thetallman: 3cms (((
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Can I ask: Do we have to stay in Russia for more than 3 months?
The limb extension phase starts from the day after the surgery, and proceeds until 3 months?? Or does it go further past the 3 month mark?
At how many months are the frames removed for the calves??
Sorry I'm a bit confused.
I would be going to Volograd in December!! I can't wait. :)
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Can I ask: Do we have to stay in Russia for more than 3 months?
The limb extension phase starts from the day after the surgery, and proceeds until 3 months?? Or does it go further past the 3 month mark?
At how many months are the frames removed for the calves??
Sorry I'm a bit confused.
I would be going to Volograd in December!! I can't wait. :)
Distraction starts aprox after 1 week post op.
It all depends on many many factors))))
But if you lengthen 7cms it usually takes about 3 or 4 months.
Consolidation takes about another 3, 4, 5, 6, months or even a year for some people so it will all depend on how much you walk how well you eat, and your own body ability to absorb nutrients. December uh!?? Nice)) send me PM ill give u my skype so we can chat if u want. I have a lot of time now, so take aadvantage of me while im here and free))))
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Rgkey,
You said that you turned 4xday (7am, 11am, 3pm, 7pm). Does it really matter when to turn or does it have to be every certain time. For instance, the day has 24h, then can I turn every 6 hours (7am, 1pm, 7pm, 1am)? Another question, I read that a lot of time the X-rays don't reflect the exact amount that you lengthened and some times it is less. So, if for instance, I wanted 6cm, would I have to lengthen 6.2 or 6.3cm? Thank you.
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Rgkey,
You said that you turned 4xday (7am, 11am, 3pm, 7pm). Does it really matter when to turn or does it have to be every certain time. For instance, the day has 24h, then can I turn every 6 hours (7am, 1pm, 7pm, 1am)? Another question, I read that a lot of time the X-rays don't reflect the exact amount that you lengthened and some times it is less. So, if for instance, I wanted 6cm, would I have to lengthen 6.2 or 6.3cm? Thank you.
It doesn't really matter about time as lon as you don't turn less than 4 hours each. The whole point is to feel pain the least possible by doing it gradually and give a full night rest to your muscles. The xrays there is usally 2mm difference to the actual length can be more or less. But 2mms is nothing thou)) no one will notice 2mms lol
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Distraction starts aprox after 1 week post op.
It all depends on many many factors))))
But if you lengthen 7cms it usually takes about 3 or 4 months.
Consolidation takes about another 3, 4, 5, 6, months or even a year for some people so it will all depend on how much you walk how well you eat, and your own body ability to absorb nutrients. December uh!?? Nice)) send me PM ill give u my skype so we can chat if u want. I have a lot of time now, so take aadvantage of me while im here and free))))
Thanks RGKEY!
I'm in the midst of exams! Can I discuss with you further in Skype next month?
Just wondering how long we have those pesky frames? For me (7cm) would that be about 4 months? After that, can I remove the frame?
But bone consolidation, I can do that at home ( in my home country?)
Thanks much!!!
Also, is it painful? The spinal block. Irene says patients are sedated, so did you feel anything during surgery?
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Thanks RGKEY!
I'm in the midst of exams! Can I discuss with you further in Skype next month?
Just wondering how long we have those pesky frames? For me (7cm) would that be about 4 months? After that, can I remove the frame?
But bone consolidation, I can do that at home ( in my home country?)
Thanks much!!!
Also, is it painful? The spinal block. Irene says patients are sedated, so did you feel anything during surgery?
yes sure, but i can not promise to answer to you fast, maybe i get my frames off next month so I will probably be away from internet for a awhile, will see thou. but for this coming weeks im all available! just send me a PM and i give u my Skype
4 months for lengthening maybe 3, and consolidation all depends on how u walk.
you will probably stay in frames about 7 to 10 months, maybe less maybe more...
the surgery?? painful? no man, not at all. yes they do and you don't feel anything from your hips down, dead.
bone consolidation, you could, but all will depend on how you feel.
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yes sure, but i can not promise to answer to you fast, maybe i get my frames off next month so I will probably be away from internet for a awhile, will see thou. but for this coming weeks im all available! just send me a PM and i give u my Skype
4 months for lengthening maybe 3, and consolidation all depends on how u walk.
you will probably stay in frames about 7 to 10 months, maybe less maybe more...
the surgery?? painful? no man, not at all. yes they do and you don't feel anything from your hips down, dead.
bone consolidation, you could, but all will depend on how you feel.
Man, the idea of not being able to feel anything from the waist down scares me..more than the pain of lengthening itself. i know it's silly, but that's what scares me the most about CLL. Were you alone during the surgery? No family, or friends? Also, 4 months you're saying is for 7cm. Do you think 3 months to lengthen plus another 3 for consolidation is possible? I know it all depends on many factors, but a rough estimate for a healthy, young (under 35) individual.
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Man, the idea of not being able to feel anything from the waist down scares me..more than the pain of lengthening itself. i know it's silly, but that's what scares me the most about CLL. Were you alone during the surgery? No family, or friends? Also, 4 months you're saying is for 7cm. Do you think 3 months to lengthen plus another 3 for consolidation is possible? I know it all depends on many factors, but a rough estimate for a healthy, young (under 35) individual.
yeah i got you, nothing to be scare about that thou, but it is better than putting you to sleep, as some people dont wake up from it haha, not many but there is a tiny risk. So i think not sleeping is maybe better, you can ask them to put you to sleep thou.
No i didnt have family, but i made many friends! since the day i arrived, im very friendly thou.
one guy did 7cms in 5 months (record)
i think if you walk 8 hours a day from day 2 to the end and eat a lot i think you have a good chance to finish very fast. but it is very difficult, since consolidation face ive walking about 6 hours a day and my bone consolidation is been much better than when i walk 3 hours a day. So yeah it is possible but i wouldnt count on it.
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yeah i got you, nothing to be scare about that thou, but it is better than putting you to sleep, as some people dont wake up from it haha, not many but there is a tiny risk. So i think not sleeping is maybe better, you can ask them to put you to sleep thou.
No i didnt have family, but i made many friends! since the day i arrived, im very friendly thou.
one guy did 7cms in 5 months (record)
i think if you walk 8 hours a day from day 2 to the end and eat a lot i think you have a good chance to finish very fast. but it is very difficult, since consolidation face ive walking about 6 hours a day and my bone consolidation is been much better than when i walk 3 hours a day. So yeah it is possible but i wouldnt count on it.
I dont really understand what you mean by walking for 6+ hours a day? Do you walk outside with the crutches for long distances that take you several hours to reach?
it seems so excessive, Im slightly over 1 cm into lengthening phase and i have been walking with my "walker" through my hallway and back (which is about 40 metres including the way back) about 5 times a day. That doesnt even add up to 1 hour in total, i think it takes me about 5 minutes to go through the hallway and back. I dont put full weight on my legs either, so i get tired in my arms before my legs tire, trying to slightly increase the weight i put on the legs though.
But i dont think i could walk for that long (6+ hours) every day. I dont think my legs in their current condition could handle it, and also mentally i dont think i could spend so much time doing one thing ???
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Hey RG,
What made you choose this doctor? There isn't really much of a backstory. Why him? What research did you do? Did you do a consulation? How did you prepare mentally? ETC. Give us the juicy details brother.
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Well, I found a list for doctors who do LL. A long list for most doctors all over the world. I knew my budget was no more than 25k USD. I made my researches about LL, like where it started, how it works, etc. I didnt come across this site or old forum , but I found a lot of information to educate my self. I knew my options were limited because of my budget. I really worked my ass off to save it up!! one full year and few months, I even sold my car hehe, I had to let my business in hands of one guy who works for me, etc. So well, I knew my best option was going to the source where all this started (Ilizarov technology) Other places looked tempting, like India, serbia, even ukraine and Armenia. But I knew that if this was invented in Russia and I had a chance to actually go there I didnt think twice. Plus I always was very interested about russian culture, I love Russian women BTW, even before coming here lol
So, I contacted the center of Kurgan, the ilizarov center, and also this place in volgograd where I am. It all came down to these 2 places. I contacted Irene and chat for few weeks and I felt good talking to her. I also got a number of a guy from the US who did this surgery, I spoke to him and he made me feel good, he is all recovered 100%, I love this guy to dead!! he was my mentor if I can say so. During all this process he is always been there for me, giving me support and just great vibe!! So i decided to come here and have a consultation, even thou i already knew I was going to do it unless i saw some crazy going on. So I had consultation, and I liked when Dr. Barinov told me: Our first priority is your health, making sure that i wouldnt have permanent problems, and second lengthening. So I really liked that, and he seem very calm young and I saw other patients, and everyone seemed to be doing well, girls were cute! people where friendly for the most part. So that is how I decided to do it here))) I hope that is enough))))
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I dont really understand what you mean by walking for 6+ hours a day? Do you walk outside with the crutches for long distances that take you several hours to reach?
it seems so excessive, Im slightly over 1 cm into lengthening phase and i have been walking with my "walker" through my hallway and back (which is about 40 metres including the way back) about 5 times a day. That doesnt even add up to 1 hour in total, i think it takes me about 5 minutes to go through the hallway and back. I dont put full weight on my legs either, so i get tired in my arms before my legs tire, trying to slightly increase the weight i put on the legs though.
But i dont think i could walk for that long (6+ hours) every day. I dont think my legs in their current condition could handle it, and also mentally i dont think i could spend so much time doing one thing ???
Dont worry in the beginning your arms will feel like that, you must drop the walker as soon as possible it's a bad habit to have, because your arms do most of the work and your legs practically just move in the air lol Yeah I go out side, then just walk through my hall which i measured it and is exactly 30 meters, then I talk to people, dance a little i just dont ever sit, so everything I do im always standing, thats how u do 6 hours)) i put my phone and time my self, so usually i do 2 hours or 3 in the morning then another hour in the afternoon then about 2 or 3 hours at night around 7 or 8 pm when everyone is gone, so thats how i do it my friend)) it is much easier when other patients come because i kinda forget about time and by the time they leave i already walked maybe 2 or 3 or sometimes 4 hours. so ill break it down. i wake up have breakfast. around 10am i start and walke until lunch comes arround 1 pm so that's 3 hours, then i take a big break and do another 1 or 2 hours around 3pm, then another break and again at 7 or 8pm another 2 or 3 hours. once i week i do 8 hours. Youll get there dont worry))))in the begining is very hard, at your stage i was doing about 3 hours thou.
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Dont worry in the beginning your arms will feel like that, you must drop the walker as soon as possible it's a bad habit to have, because your arms do most of the work and your legs practically just move in the air lol Yeah I go out side, then just walk through my hall which i measured it and is exactly 30 meters, then I talk to people, dance a little i just dont ever sit, so everything I do im always standing, thats how u do 6 hours)) i put my phone and time my self, so usually i do 2 hours or 3 in the morning then another hour in the afternoon then about 2 or 3 hours at night around 7 or 8 pm when everyone is gone, so thats how i do it my friend)) it is much easier when other patients come because i kinda forget about time and by the time they leave i already walked maybe 2 or 3 or sometimes 4 hours. so ill break it down. i wake up have breakfast. around 10am i start and walke until lunch comes arround 1 pm so that's 3 hours, then i take a big break and do another 1 or 2 hours around 3pm, then another break and again at 7 or 8pm another 2 or 3 hours. once i week i do 8 hours. Youll get there dont worry))))in the begining is very hard, at your stage i was doing about 3 hours thou.
Okey gotcha! Sounds more reasonable when you put it like that :)
Btw did your doctor give you those footholders you where talking about? i think i seriously need to start using something like that, but i didnt get any from my doctor. not really sure what type i should use, do you attach the hoops to the ilizarov rings or to the legs themselves? :p
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Hey guys, a quick video of my walking, I think it's improving slowly while I have less discomfort when I make every step. I still have some pain when I walk maybe that is why I can't walk as I wish, but I have learned to go day by day, step by step))))
http://youtu.be/2fgTTctp6go
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Hey guys, a quick video of my walking, I think it's improving slowly while I have less discomfort when I make every step. I still have some pain when I walk maybe that is why I can't walk as I wish, but I have learned to go day by day, step by step))))
http://youtu.be/2fgTTctp6go
Wow man looks great!! :) You're moving really fast and steady, the slight side to side motion looks more like a confident swagger now ;)
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Hey RG,
Why does the swaying happen when you walk? Is it from pain? not full consolidation? Weak muscles?
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@Thetallerman: haha thanx!! im almost there but not yet, just a little more))) confident swagger!!?? haha nice!! If you put it that way, it is very welcome brother!! that makes me feel good))thank you!
@Shawty: most of it is now from pain on the pin sites, and also because Im kinda learning how to walk again, ive been walking with crutches for many months!! so it is natural to forget how to walk and especially been 9cms taller)) muscles are fine, bone is fine too and it doesn't matter because the frames are pretty much holding all my weight.
Im like a baby now learning how to walk again))
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Hey RG,
Did you go from 220lbs to 160 while doing LL or did you lose it prior to? I'm about 240lbs right now and am losing weight. I'd like to be at my goal weight of 165 before LL as it's less pressure on joints and legs. It's just going to stuck not being able to workout while doing LL. I'm sure people lose a lot of muscle mass. I wonder if you can at least do upper body workouts to preserve strength/muscle mass during LL
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You seem to be doing really well. Keep it up bro!
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Hey RG,
Did you go from 220lbs to 160 while doing LL or did you lose it prior to? I'm about 240lbs right now and am losing weight. I'd like to be at my goal weight of 165 before LL as it's less pressure on joints and legs. It's just going to stuck not being able to workout while doing LL. I'm sure people lose a lot of muscle mass. I wonder if you can at least do upper body workouts to preserve strength/muscle mass during LL
i lost it before. u should lose weight before, and then stay in that weight at least for few months before LL. because you need to be completely healthy for LL, this is more important than weight. About working out, I was working out my upper body in the beginning but it is a bad IDEA!! because of it my bone regeneration was really bad!!! so do not work out other than your legs when lengthening. Actually being heavy is good for bone consolidation!! more weight for your legs it stimulates more the bone formation. That is why you see in my videos how i walk with 45 pounds gallon with water, because it is good for bone formation. During LL you should only focus on your legs and walking. I do now stretching for my upper body and sometimes some abs but nothing crazy like I used to.
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You seem to be doing really well. Keep it up bro!
thanx Cooper!!)) Im getting there slowly))
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My favorite LL post this far!!! Keep up the great work, RGKEY!
So it's about 6am, I woke up about an hour ago, now can't sleep. I was thinking of copying and posting my diary but I think ill just post pictures and maybe a quick description of whats going on.
This was my first room and the shoes you see lifted me 6.5cms taller))
(http://i.imgur.com/WB9HWYEl.jpg)
Meet Doctor victor, the oldest doctor here, funny dude.
(http://i.imgur.com/EhCEGJ4l.jpg)
parties
(http://i.imgur.com/4oqs4Wyl.jpg)
flexibility at 9cms!)) getting it back))
(http://i.imgur.com/rOrqZFBl.jpg)
my present roommate, he lengthened 6.3cms
(http://i.imgur.com/SAryrgHl.jpg)
my man Anton from Ukraine
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being playful)) never hurts))
(http://i.imgur.com/FvHaPXdl.jpg)
a gift for christmas
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this is when they had to relocate my ring because it went to high on my knee, they didnt have to but i asked for it)))
(http://i.imgur.com/Uh49Cycl.jpg)
got watermelon?
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meet Irina, she is in charge of the foreign patients! she saved my life during the first month post op! love her))
(http://i.imgur.com/Pr2mJJNl.jpg)
dude is always playing chess, didnt even realized i was taking a picture, he is an oldy))
(http://i.imgur.com/XerDlJll.jpg)
working against knee contraction)))
(http://i.imgur.com/Ek3G4XAl.jpg)
girl leaving, one love out((((( she was my first kiss in Russia)
(http://i.imgur.com/R8fClLHl.jpg)
what can i say she gave me her best face))
(http://i.imgur.com/gFURFUSl.jpg)
leg is long!!
(http://i.imgur.com/KsSWj34l.jpg)
playing games at a party
(http://i.imgur.com/zWmA1Hml.jpg)
my friend alexander, now we are the same height
(http://i.imgur.com/eVRd6bil.jpg)
another love))
(http://i.imgur.com/Ggi34dnl.jpg)
going out to the store in the summer
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how cute, another love))) i really loved this girl a lot!! she made me coffee every day, did my bed, did my laundry awww!!! i miss her so much!!! she came back and visited me too, so bad we live so far away from each other!!!
(http://i.imgur.com/C5Oi7nvl.jpg)
she is really a party type of girl but very sweet)))
(http://i.imgur.com/J72lT58l.jpg)
any other way to eat an apple???????
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oh!! me standing with my lifts after lengthening, so technically i am about 178cm here!)) from 163 to 178 crazy)))
(http://i.imgur.com/gp4VE6xl.jpg)
she is now one of my best friends!!! but she lives in China(((( english teacher))
(http://i.imgur.com/7jLMKpcl.jpg)
lovo love love
(http://i.imgur.com/6P1LzCYl.jpg)
this girl actually gave me pain killers shots for awhile because she is also a nurse)))
(http://i.imgur.com/Fl4i4Bml.jpg)
love, regular visits to the room))
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my kitty cat!
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going out with a friend
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with a love in a restaurant, this is the girl that made me coffee, she came back to visit after 2 months.
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my last x-ray left leg on 2/28/14
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right leg 2/28/14
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my protein powder
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in a restaurant with a lovely girl))
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this is me going from 220 pound to 160 pounds))))
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wine)))
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with my very good friend on my birthday)) i got super drunk very big mistake, i had a very bad reaction on my pins.
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drunk
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Meet doctor Barinov!! he is the one who make the magic happen around here)))
(http://i.imgur.com/z51xcLPl.jpg)
OK< SO THIS IS THE RESULT OF MY CELEBRATION: NEVER DRINK IF YOU HAVE ALREADY A PIN INFECTION, THIS WILL f**k YOU UP BIG TIME!!! LEARN FROM MY MISTAKES!!
(http://i.imgur.com/iUbiKdJl.jpg)
girls are crazy, they just found a nice kitty on the streets and adopted him lol, so many street cats in russia thou....
(http://i.imgur.com/Axt1Z5Jl.jpg)
my best breakfast))
(http://i.imgur.com/xPKs8oFl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Vx5bmh7l.jpg)
best kisser ever, unfortunately she is gone(((( she made me feel like I was 15 again!!!!
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visiting friends
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legs celebration, there frames were removed
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ohh i love this man, my second roommate, he is super awesome!!!my brother))
(http://i.imgur.com/7AfTv9tl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Ldt66yBl.jpg)
this is what's up)) this is why I want to marry russian women!!!!
(http://i.imgur.com/Mg3DdS6l.jpg)
she is a natural 171cms and im a 163.5, but somehow our sitting height is around the same)) i think i have a long torso for my natural height.
(http://i.imgur.com/WDAfcKdl.jpg)
walking along the river, very nice place, probably the only place I really like in this city
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(http://i.imgur.com/jBSSuKxl.jpg)
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meet doctor Pabel
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This will be the longest post i ever do))) now time to sleep I think))
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The girl in the yellow cat dress seems really hott
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How you doing REGKY
by any chance do you know if Dr. Barinov could do nail or plate fixation for femur...?
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RG, you bastard. What are you doing, leg lengthening or playing the pimp game? I haven't seen a women in 5 months but you're inundated with them!
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How you doing REGKY
by any chance do you know if Dr. Barinov could do nail or plate fixation for femur...?
hi)) i can ask him on Monday)) please send me a PM on Monday if you can to remind me!)))
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RG, you bastard. What are you doing, leg lengthening or playing the pimp game? I haven't seen a women in 5 months but you're inundated with them!
well man, all I can say is, your dam right)) and the best part is that every 2 months is a completely new group)))) and now that i can walk without crutches Im killing it around here, and especially now that there is a new office on my floor, it's like a calling center for Europe and the girls are amazing, I have never been around so many beautiful girls in my life, this is so far the best decision I have ever made in my life!! I gott to grow 9cms and party and all the other good stuff)))))
sorry man, i feel for you, i dont think i could ever make it 5 months without any action.
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So for all people who are doing limb lengthening with Ilizarov, or are preparing for it. This is what a person should look like while
limb lengthening. It doesn't matter if you are at 1 cm or at 10 centimeters, you must be walking with or without crutches as much as
humanly possible. Your knee must be straight and NO BALLERINA!! again NO BALLERINA!!!! and one more time NO BALLERINA!!!!
Anything else is bull )) and FYI this brothers are 45 years old both of them!!
http://youtu.be/Sohyaoar-J0
http://youtu.be/FjU-o6tlin4
http://youtu.be/8YE2Fr52nM0
http://youtu.be/Wgkjjx9hFcE
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Rgkey,
Awesome diary with all the pictures and updates. I see your pics with your hands behind your back and in your pockets, but could you post a picture with your arms on your sides to appreciate your proportions better? Thank you.
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Rgkey,
Awesome diary with all the pictures and updates. I see your pics with your hands behind your back and in your pockets, but could you post a picture with your arms on your sides to appreciate your proportions better? Thank you.
sure but in my videos i dont have my hands on my pockets)) lol i think the videos speak better than pictures)))
http://youtu.be/2fgTTctp6go
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So today another awesome day!! spent outside all day from 1pm to 10pm, I went to a famous monument, went to a restaurant, etc... i made pictures and videos, weather was spectacular! 50 degrees))) Life is good so far)))
http://youtu.be/czDz3Rgc9Aw
http://youtu.be/nq31C0tvXWI
http://youtu.be/fpyphcLPthI
http://youtu.be/ffExIvinbyM
http://youtu.be/uYwajqHtvhc
http://youtu.be/F8r03anlL2I
http://youtu.be/v2_OjFlcsoY
http://youtu.be/gfLR8vNnc64
http://youtu.be/sZM7bd5RlWs
http://youtu.be/Sfj_7XsNuvY
now some pictures)))
(http://i.imgur.com/WaXFkDdl.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/NoGakDLl.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/mxJ3cXEl.jpg)
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time to eat
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WHO SAID LEG LENGTHENING CANT BE FUN!???
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Nice vids/pics brother! Btw, are you wearing a special kind of shoe, or are those regular sneakers?
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regular adidas))
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Rgkey,
Your proportions look good. BTW, how do you manage the underwear situation with frames on? Is it easy to take out and put on? I suppose all your clothes have to be larger because of the frames, right? Good recovery.
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@@Leonardo, underwear is fine, pants must be supper big or super stretchy))
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hey rgkey you are one lucky dude,in video 5 the young lady flashes her bottom ,am i right
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haha no flashing that im aware of(((((((
By the way i forgot to mention:::::
So last night while walking to the restaurant something embarrassing happened!!! hahaha!!!
I saw a girl that I met online, she is gorgeous and actually taller than me, we like exchanged looks and walked away from each other haha, when we chatted online she asked me what i was doing in russia, and i said Im just passing by, then she asked me but why Volgograd I just said I was looking for a different type of experience in my life haha which is actually true)) but I think she got me lol My plan was to meet her after I remove my frames but now i dont know what would happen haha, anyway there are 4 more that havent discover my dirty little secret yet))))) I think i might had screwed up with this one hehe, but i had an awesome time yesterday!))) here is a picture of her since probably i wont be meeting her anymore((
actually in person she is a 10 but in her pictures she looks maybe like a 7
(http://i.imgur.com/fdjHcsnl.jpg)
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;D
I bit all LL patients in India screaming at the top of their lungs from regret to choose India over Russia to have LL ..
nice pics
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I bit all LL patients in India screaming at the top of their lungs from regret to choose India over Russia to have LL ..
nice pics
well they are happy you are there))) ok i will ask Barinov))
btw, it's ok, less men here more women for us!!)))) hahaha, so guys please do not come!!! go to India)))))
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hahah, so Actually please guys do not come to Russia while Im here, it is awful!!! bad everything!! everything is bad, I go home in about 1 month, after that you are welcome))) but then, maybe in 1 or 2 years Ill come back for femurs so between 2015 and 2016 men are not allow in Russia!!! this clinic only have room for women and my self)))) sorry lol
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hahah, so Actually please guys do not come to Russia while Im here, it is awful!!! bad everything!! everything is bad, I go home in about 1 month, after that you are welcome))) but then, maybe in 1 or 2 years Ill come back for femurs so between 2015 and 2016 men are not allow in Russia!!! this clinic only have room for women and my self)))) sorry lol
1 month! Nice man. If you go back in 1.5 years, I'd probably go there for my tibs.
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Hey RG,
I was reading your post in the old forum about the foot holder and wearing them all the time. You said you forgot to wear it one day while your were at a friend's house and your leg hurt the following day. Do you think you'll need to wear something like that always?
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@shawty:: no, only while having these frames.
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Hey RG, so this girl you were talking to online, she's from the States or what? It's insane that you'd run into her in Russia!
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Hey RG, so this girl you were talking to online, she's from the States or what? It's insane that you'd run into her in Russia!
She is from this town, I knew going on the streets I was risking that but what the hell)))))
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RG,
The bottom pins go through your ankles, correct? How's that pain wise? I'd imagine the ankles are sensitive areas and would/could cause damage in the future? How about the top pins? Are they through the knees?
Can you also elaborate on how many cuts your bones had. Is there an option for wanting just one cut and the pins placed somewhere other than ankles?
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Distraction starts aprox after 1 week post op.
It all depends on many many factors))))
But if you lengthen 7cms it usually takes about 3 or 4 months.
Consolidation takes about another 3, 4, 5, 6, months or even a year for some people so it will all depend on how much you walk how well you eat, and your own body ability to absorb nutrients. December uh!?? Nice)) send me PM ill give u my skype so we can chat if u want. I have a lot of time now, so take aadvantage of me while im here and free))))
Hey RGKey, should consolidation be done in Russia?
during consolidation, we still have the frames?
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I bit all LL patients in India screaming at the top of their lungs from regret to choose India over Russia to have LL ..
nice pics
I second that. Damn you RG, you womaniser, you! A bout in India should be the standard jail sentence for first worlders, lol.
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@shawty::: no man, no sane doctor ahould touch the ankle or the knee, that's none sense. The cut is a regular cut one on the tibia about 10cms under the knee and the other on the fibula near to the ankle. Pain wise idk to me there was pain everywhere npt only near the ankle.
@old forum please::: youbcan go home. And yes you still need the frames on. Unless you convinience is more important than your health then you can get a rod inside your bone once u stop lengthening but there is a risk of infection in the bone.
Polycrates::: here)) lol
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Nicely done rgkey
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Hey Rg,
I got an email from Irene, she was saying something about a surgery a year after frame removal to prevent osteoporosis. Im not sure what she was talking about. .do you know?
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Man-of-steal:: thabk you
sw:::i think you misunderstood the email
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Man-of-steal:: thabk you
sw:::i think you misunderstood the email
Yeah, I think she meant a year after tibs we can do femurs
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IF YOU DO THIS WHILE HAVING FRAMES ON, IT HURTS LIKE A BITCH!!, I THINK THE SEATS WERE TOO SMALL FOR MY FRAMES! I DID THIS TO MY SELF YESTERDAY, BUT IT WAS FUN AS HELL!)))
PAIN I CAN TOLERATE BETTER THAN NOT HAVING FUN, ENJOYING LIFE OR JUST NOT LEAVING IN THE PRESENT MOMENT))) OR BEING DEPRESS AND FEELING SORRY FOR MY SELF)))) I CHOOSE PAIN EVERY TIME))) ENJOY THE RIDE WITH ME!!)))) AND MY LL EXPERIENCE!)) THIS CAN ALSO BE YOU!) YOU JUST NEED TO BREATH AND DO IT)) THE 1,2,3 RULE AND JUST DO IT))
http://youtu.be/tglt4hFviz0
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Niice!!! i want to have fun like this too ;D
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Wow, this is crazy..crazy cool!
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Wow, this is crazy..crazy cool!
Yes exactly!)
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Excellent new!!! today my X-ray was not great but good enough to take the first step for frame removal!!!!!
http://youtu.be/sH2aNQ9XPes
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congrat RGKEY this is good news, and after a week you'll be completely free from these frame..
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Nice man! 10 mos is a long time. I bet you can't wait
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but man, gaining almost 4 inches in that period is awesome. Another couple months of just letting the bone harden and gain some muscle mass back. You'll be awesome. I can't wait to see your progress in a few months and athletic abilities.
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Great news, bro! Congrats :)
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yes!! thank you all, i can't wait!! i have some pain of joy now!! and excitement!! i cant wait to buy my new pair of jeans!!! ahh awesome))
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Great news, big congrats!! Can imagine an excitement , after all this time :P
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Great news, big congrats!! Can imagine an excitement , after all this time :P
thank yoU!)) yes however I havent past the last test, it will be on wednesday when the doctors will take the rods off and move my legs around to see if they are stable enough. As right now just crossing fingers))
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Hey RG,
Had you done 5-6 CM, what do you think your timeframe would have been?
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Hey RG,
Had you done 5-6 CM, what do you think your timeframe would have been?
my guess... ill be running and back to normal by now. so maybe 6 or 7 months max
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The most terrible news:: my legs collapsed, they couldn't take my weight, now the f**king clinic doesn't want to take
responsibility for it, and they are kicking me out, this is turning to a nightmare!!! help, I don't know what to do!??? can anyone help???
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I'm so sorry to hear that, is it for both legs?
I think you should tell them to make the frame as if it was b4 so it can bare your weight again, did they took an x-ray?
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Oh s**t..I feel really bad for you that this happened..
Tbh, i always thought that 10 months for 9 cm sounded way to optimistic, considering that my doctor told me that 4 cm could take 6 to 9 months until frame removal.. But im no expert of course..
I cant believe they are not taking responsibility if they actually told you it was okay to remove the frames after looking at the x-rays. You should contact the embassy from whatever country you are from (if it exists in Russia). And see if they can help you.
Waiit a minute, is this an april the first joke? (i feel terrible for asking)
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Vary bad joke if it is a joke. .... ill wait until rgkey replies before I write my opinion
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thank you to all the concerned people. But yeah, Wannabegiant, you got me! so yeah
April Fools day!))
I expect no heart attacks since I shouldn't be that important to anyone in this forum))))
So today I went to my doctor and told him that I got someone pregnant in the clinic, and for my surprise he actually congratulated me!!... I was like what the f**k!!??? anyway I thought it was hilarious.
So for real, tomorrow is the big day!! hopefully my legs won't collapse, but if they do, life is life, I did this to my self))) no one put a gun and forced me to do LL in the first place)))))
Again, thank you for the ones who gave me nice words)) Some of you react differently. All I can say is that it is very interesting to see how people react to news.
Life is a joke, take it responsibly but not seriously!! laugh with me and if not, well sorry for you)))
Love you all and thank you for amusing my day with your replies!))))
For anyones who doesnt know what April fools day is. It is the only day when it's actually ok to make really bad jokes, it's an American Im guessing, I never did it before, but since im so far away from home, it kinda makes me feels home))
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RG.. .when I read that my heart sank as Russia is where I want to you. You trickster
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yeah, I got many people today)) lol sorry im little coconuts lol
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UPDATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BIG DAY TODAY!!!!!!! BECAUSE THE NURSE LARISA WILL NOT BE HERE TOMORROW, THE DOCTOR CHECKED MY LEG TODAY FOR REMOVAL HERE ARE THE RESULTS)))) I FEEL SO AMAZING!!!! AHHHHH!!!!!!! I FEEL AWESOME!!!! I FEEL LIKE I JUST HAD THE MOST AMAZING ORGASM OF MY LIFE!! NO JOKE!!!!!
ALSO, THERE IS A NEW GIRL HERE WORKING FOR ABOUT 1 WEEK, BUT UNFORTUNATELY SHE IS LEAVING BUT I GOT ALL I NEEDED HEHE))))) SHE IS DEFINITELY MY TYPE, SUPER AWESOME, BUT WELL AGAIN WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT?? IT IS RUSSIA DAHHHH!! LOL
(http://i.imgur.com/VAHazjel.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Woy1UxNl.jpg)
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LET THE VIDEOS DO THE TALKING NOW!!)))))
http://youtu.be/Dx6YQj6eias
http://youtu.be/vX6Wl04s8Ic
http://youtu.be/TM5PUUl2EqQ
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Congrats !!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D On both the frame removals and the women! ;D
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well done for both the AF joke and the frame removal. :D
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Nice to see everything went well, and damn that russian girl is HOT.
Very impressive LL journey RGKEY!
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Yeah so far this has been the most amazing experience of my life!!!)))) I don't think anyone has gotten such an amazing time as I have, just from reading other diaries. But the truth is that anyone can have such an amazing time, you only need to allow it to your self!!)))
9cms met lot of awesome people, had craxy parties, lot of hook ups!! Romance! Friendship!! Learning about my self, becoming a better happier person..etc.... yeah that's all I take from my journey in russia!))
These 10 months have been 30 years of lifetime experience! ))
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walking for first time without a frame!!!! exactly 9 months and 29 days post operation!!!
http://youtu.be/50S95zz_wes
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Nice man! Your proportions look awesome
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Could you continue the diary to show scar progression and scar care / concealing?
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shawty::: oh yeah you think so?? thanx man) i think the same thou im glad not only me hehe, people here tell me how good my leg look, but i dont know if to believe them, cuz they can just be trying to be nice to me. But a lot of the girls who are doing correction told me they want my leg haha.
Knee:::yes i will))
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Hey RG, do you know what the ratio of your femurs to tibias are now?
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Hey RG, do you know what the ratio of your femurs to tibias are now?
No
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I think this guy has really long tibias for his body, it does not look bad))
(http://i.imgur.com/eCbv9h0.jpg)
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I agree, infact his legs appear longer than his torso. But he has a good wingspan and this makes it less obvious.
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I agree, infact his legs appear longer than his torso. But he has a good wingspan and this makes it less obvious.
Most tall people have longer legs than their torsos as far as i know. In shorter people, torsos tend to be a bigger percentage of the whole body length.
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Or maybe he did LL?))) and he is only 170 lol
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Hipsters usually have long tibiae :P
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Or maybe he did LL?))) and he is only 170 lol
Lol really?? I thought he is >180 cm :o
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i think long tibias make u look taller anyway hehe lol
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i think long tibias make u look taller anyway hehe lol
Definitely, but long legs in general makes one look taller :) Which is why after LL people might think that we are taller than we actually are.
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Definitely, but long legs in general makes one look taller :) Which is why after LL people might think that we are taller than we actually are.
absolutely right) people think im 175 usually
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Quick update, 2second day post frame removal::::: feels awesome to even write that tittle lol
no pain!)) it feels great, I still feel like if i had my legs in one position for a long time and it's just a little stiff, when I sleep and then wake up and stand up i also feel my muscle a little stiff like if I just had a big run before, so kinda sore but not much. Im sure ill get better)))
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Just saw your video and all I can say is awesome, bro! Your gait is pretty good and are your proportions. So, once again what's the secret for not developing ballerina or loss of knee ROM? Did you supplement with products throughout your lengthening? Please, keep updating us...
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Just saw your video and all I can say is awesome, bro! Your gait is pretty good and are your proportions. So, once again what's the secret for not developing ballerina or loss of knee ROM? Did you supplement with products throughout your lengthening? Please, keep updating us...
All you need is to wear your feet holder, stretch and walk.24/7 if possible that is the big secret!!)))
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yeah, second day post frame removal )))))))
(http://i.imgur.com/uCGw5dHl.jpg)
http://youtu.be/VXBQlzwZ-jA
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I think this guy has really long tibias for his body, it does not look bad))
(http://i.imgur.com/eCbv9h0.jpg)
Is that the male model from the Asos website lol
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Hey RGKEY,
Your scars don't look too bad. Do you think they will be noticeable? Do you plan on having scar removal?
Congrats on getting the frames removed!!
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Is that the male model from the Asos website lol
Yes!!!))
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Hey RGKEY,
Your scars don't look too bad. Do you think they will be noticeable? Do you plan on having scar removal?
Congrats on getting the frames removed!!
I honestly dont know. Only time will tell. Maybe ill get lazer))) i cheked it is not that expensive and its easy))
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RG do you know your wingspan?
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RG do you know your wingspan?
I think 169-170
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Quick update::::::
feeling better everyday, it is really annoying to walk with crutches!!! I will ask my doctor to check my legs on Monday, maybe I dont need to wait another week, maybe my left leg is strong enough. Yesterday while hanging out with 2 girls on one bed, the bed broke! hahaha, funny funny moment!!
(http://i.imgur.com/PYLFRT1l.jpg)
I dont know if he will read this post, but if you do THANK YOU BROTHER, im referring to my bro from the US, the only guy who was there for me since day one when I was at the JFK on my way to Russia, I love you bro, you helped me so much!! I haven't even met this guy personally, but he behaves like if we were best friends from all life! My mother is right when she says I have an angel looking up for me. Im not a religious person, neither I care to be one. But I can say Im way too lucky in life, I am blessed that I get to live my life the way I want to and enjoy it to the maximum!
Thank you brother, the last thing you just did for me really amazed me, how can you care for me so much dude!? I love you man, and for your birthday we are definitely going to las vegas and have the craziest time ever!!
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Hello RGKEY,
congrats on getting the frame removed finally, I'm really happy for you..
I don't know if it's only me, but in this pic it looks you have slight bowed leg , would every thing gonna return normal after few months?
(http://i.imgur.com/uCGw5dHl.jpg)
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Hi Diso))) well the axis are supose to be as perfect as it can be we will se when I get my other frame removed and I can put my legs together. I also know that I need to regain some more muscles. And also for what I now the correction for men is a little different from women. I guess men and woman have different types of shapes. I don't know. We will see when I can stand up and put my lega together. I know the final results are in about two months post frame removal. So time will tell.
This is at least what im suppose to look after my frames are removed::
(http://i.imgur.com/TFAD6S2l.jpg)
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If you are a short guy doing LL because you think it will make you better with girls. Well, It probably won't help as much as you think. Look at this short guy attracting tall cute girls. This dude is about 5 feet tall. I know a lot of guys ask me if I think being 172 vs 163 will help me with girls. The answer is no)) I will have the same girls I had when I was 163cms. Ill just be taller that is all.
Check this guy, he has a lot of videos, I love him, he is confident and him self)) funny as hell too))
http://youtu.be/6XZVRnNlHmU
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I dont agree with you. That man is funny but he will never have anything with that girls. He can make their laught but not to f**k with him.
With 172 you will have a lot more of possibilitys with girls than you have when you were 163. Because height makes you more atractive and all we now that this is important.
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Hey kirp. Maybe but this guy has even make out videos. I think he does get all the way.
I don't think I will get more girls, when I was 163 I was already getting high quality girls like 7 and up.
Many girls would tell me I was short but they still end up with me at the end)))
It's all about game my friend, it has nothing to do with awesome appearance. Im prove of that!!)) Even now with frames I was hooking up with normal girls without any frames. They would freak out in the beginning because of my frames but once they knew me I was all in. Again, attracting has nothing to do with height or appearance at all. We as men think this way because that is how we see women. Women are more emotional than anything else. Of course appearance helps but not so much. Even Brad Pitt struggled getting girls before he became famous. I see this every day. I have super good looking tall friends hooking up with girls that arent attractive just because their game sucks and they have to lower their value. So if anyone is doing LL because of girls, please don't)) that is my humble advice. I was super short and never had problems datting girls after i got my game together. Improve your game with girls and you will find out for your self.)))
Btw, im not denying the favt that being 172 will not be better tgan 163. Of course! But not as much as people think. I need to break the news because that is my reality. Good game will always win over height period)))
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I disagree in part, being confident helps no,matter what, but let's put it that way: what if a 6'0 male model is as good as you at the game , sure it's not the most important thing but if you're handsome and tall it's a big advantage, he can manipulate things in his favor, and you know girls can change their mind in a matter of second, I'm not trying to depress you but that's reality...I'd put I that way
1. Face
2. Height
3. Penis's size
4. Intelligence
5. Status
1,2 and 3 will get you the 95 % of girls, 4 and 5 the other 5%....
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Hey rgkey what's the maximum safest amount of lentfhening possible?
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Hey rgkey what's the maximum safest amount of lentfhening possible?
it depends on what you body can safely take, it can be 5cms or it can be 10cms....
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I disagree in part, being confident helps no,matter what, but let's put it that way: what if a 6'0 male model is as good as you at the game , sure it's not the most important thing but if you're handsome and tall it's a big advantage, he can manipulate things in his favor, and you know girls can change their mind in a matter of second, I'm not trying to depress you but that's reality...I'd put I that way
1. Face
2. Height
3. Penis's size
4. Intelligence
5. Status
1,2 and 3 will get you the 95 % of girls, 4 and 5 the other 5%....
hehe I use to think like that but im sorry to break news for you, this isnt true, at least not for me, is not that i dont want to agree with you, it's just that what you describe is not my reality. I am the guy who gets the hottest girls everywhere I go. That being said if a model looking guy has the game I do of course the breaking will be appearance. Again, "Appearance HELPS but not as much"
From your description, I shouldnt be getting girls at all lol
1)my face is average
2)my height was 163, super short, oh and i was fat
3)I have 5.5 inches penis, small
4)im not intelligent but im not dumb
5) im broke as hell!! and I was a taxi driver before.
Most men think like you this is why they can not get girls if they dont follow in that category.
but all this is bull !! this is what society wants us to believe, create your own reality, man uP!! be the fking man you are in your best moment!! dont give a of what people think of you!! and you will see how people start wanting you like honey))
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My humble advice::::Get your dating situation as you wish way before leg lengthening!!!!
http://youtu.be/_F_4J_Lzt18
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Hey kirp. Maybe but this guy has even make out videos. I think he does get all the way.
I don't think I will get more girls, when I was 163 I was already getting high quality girls like 7 and up.
Many girls would tell me I was short but they still end up with me at the end)))
It's all about game my friend, it has nothing to do with awesome appearance. Im prove of that!!)) Even now with frames I was hooking up with normal girls without any frames. They would freak out in the beginning because of my frames but once they knew me I was all in. Again, attracting has nothing to do with height or appearance at all. We as men think this way because that is how we see women. Women are more emotional than anything else. Of course appearance helps but not so much. Even Brad Pitt struggled getting girls before he became famous. I see this every day. I have super good looking tall friends hooking up with girls that arent attractive just because their game sucks and they have to lower their value. So if anyone is doing LL because of girls, please don't)) that is my humble advice. I was super short and never had problems datting girls after i got my game together. Improve your game with girls and you will find out for your self.)))
Btw, im not denying the favt that being 172 will not be better tgan 163. Of course! But not as much as people think. I need to break the news because that is my reality. Good game will always win over height period)))
I dont completely agree with this, it also depends on where you live. In most western societies, Women value looks almost as much as men at least when it comes to casual sex and one night stands. When it comes to serious relationships, then women value personality and overall capability of a man, more than looks, but even here looks is important as it is the first thing that draws them in.
However i have noticed by being in Russia as well as hearing what other people who have traveled here say, that in this society personality and capability of the men is more important than looks. Its cultural i also think part of the reason is because women outnumber men in population here a lot so they have to work hard to look beautiful to get a good man while the men dont need to work that much on their looks
But in west, basically less good looking guys, and shorter guys have to work harder to get the same quality of girls than taller and better looking guys have. This doesnt mean that a taller or better looking guy will always get better girls though of course, because if he is lacking everything else then it might not be enough depending on the girl he meets.
I have had both average girls and some hot ones. However, the hot girls i scored with always had some serious insecurities while the average ones seemed more normal in personality. I have never gotten far with a hot girl that knows she is the s**t so to speak, only making out basically. Those girls have so many options and they know it and they wont settle for anything but the best, they have lists of requirements that they know they can demand.
Im tired of fast hookups though, if you want a serious relationship with a stunningly beautiful and confident girl these days you either need to be really lucky or have as many of the top qualities a man can have, and height and looks are among those top qualities.
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shorter guys have a disadvantage absolutely but not from looks but from confidence!!
I have scored with:
Americans
Latin american girls
Sweden girls
thai girls
jamaican girls
russian girls
ukranian girls
belarussian girls
germany girls
canadian girls
australian girls
japaneses girls
oh and 1 nigerian girl lol
for the most part taller and better looking than i am. So if i could everyone can!!
Girls are the same from almost any nationality!!
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for all my short guys like I was before:
"...When people can't do something them self, they are gonna tell you that you can't do it. You want something, go get it. Period."
-Will Smith
(The Persuit of Happiness, film)
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Height is very important because almost all girls likes tall mens .for a lot of girls a guy should be at least as tall as her or she must exclude him .
i have got girlfriends but all of them thinks im short. And have make jokes about my height and they like me to be more tall.
another girls tell me that im beautifull but they like tall mens so they dont want to date with me.
height matters as have a beautiful face or more. Thats the truth. Sorry for bad english
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I don't see Turkish girls in your list bro! Only when you score here will I consider you're in the advanced level :D
Here you have to be tall, fit, intelligent, wealthy, romantic yet uninterested at the same time, famous, not famous, and you should be able to make pigs fly. Good luck!
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I don't see Turkish girls in your list bro! Only when you score here will I consider you're in the advanced level :D
Here you have to be tall, fit, intelligent, wealthy, romantic yet uninterested at the same time, famous, not famous, and you should be able to make pigs fly. Good luck!
yeah, i havent met any turkish girl lol but i must say i don't care about getting all girls, or being a player, because I am not. I only care to get the type of girls I like, when I want.
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Hey RG, when are you planning on coming back? How's your walking now?
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ha haah aha h aha
Very interesting mate!
Actions speak louder than words. The fact that you went to russia to break your healthy legs, walk and sleep with metal around your legs for around a year says a lot about what ypu really think about height in our society.
You have lost arround a year in your existense to be taller.
What girls think about short men is just a hint/example of what the general population thinks about short men.
at 163cm myself, i look at guys shorter than me and know i have a better chance than them in a night club or on social environment.
Taller men earn more. Girls want taller guys. the list just goes on.
Dont be one of those silly guys who say they did LL for themselves. We r all doing LL to be taller and more respected on society (ie. in the worl place, with girls, etc)
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at 163cm myself, i look at guys shorter than me and know i have a better chance than them in a night club or on social environment.
Taller men earn more. Girls want taller guys. the list just goes on.
Dont be one of those silly guys who say they did LL for themselves. We r all doing LL to be taller and more respected on society (ie. in the worl place, with girls, etc)
Amen to that, imo anyone who says otherwise are only lying to themselves, otherwise why on Earth would anyone put themselves through this crap. Rather spend that money on a nice car, holiday or save for a house deposit, not pay ridiculous amounts of money for someone to break your legs and be in pain/disable to lengthy period of times.
Unless you're a rich millionaire with neverending cashflow then you could be a 150cm man for all they(women) care ;D
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I know for a fact that I live in my own world)) my reasons for LL go way farder than just being taller. Being taller helps in our society I never said it doesn't. In general, I always want to look my best, and I think everyone should.
And like Adrino said, actions speak louder than words. So at 163 I was getting the same things in life that im getting now. So I don't see how much height is helping me. That's jus my reality, and I think very few people would relate to me. This is my truth what can I say. Im not speculating or making hypothesis, im just talking about my reality. And im sure im not the only one. However, I do believe im very lucky in life.
Again my opinion is purely base on facts, on my own reality.
Btw, I care about my appearance a lot)) but I just don't let it interfere with what I get in life or how I live my life.
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RGKEY,
You're not alone. I also agree with you that I haven't seen a difference in the way people treated me at 165 cm and at 172 cm. I haven't noticed any "extra respect" of any sort, everything is completely normal. Perhaps I didn't have enough time / went out much as needed yet to truly put it to the test, but I don't expect a huge change either. I mean, if someone didn't like you before LL, chances are they still won't post-LL, and if someone already likes you, it's likely that you won't see a change in their attitude as well. I stand "tall" even though I'm still relatively short; I have a lot of extra confidence now, but it's less due to the added height and more due to what I went through to earn it. Still, the extra confidence doesn't mean I'm now going to get everything I want. It means, however, that even if I don't get what I want, it'll be easy to move on since I won't be blaming my stature for things with possibly much different reasons.
I also want to look my best at all times. When I look into the mirror I'm very happy to see my new legs, but I'm not satisfied with my face. I've lost a lot of weight during LL, but I need to shed some weight from my face as well - which means that I have to keep losing weight while maintaining a balanced diet. My new goal is dropping 10 kg's before summer. Am I doing this to attract women? Not really, I mean not all women, I'd be more than glad if I could attract the only girl I want to be with, to get together again more precisely. "I'm doing it for myself" is a logical claim if you're feeling good about yourself at the end of everything. And isn't that just what we all want?
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shorter guys have a disadvantage absolutely but not from looks but from confidence!!
I have scored with:
Americans
Latin american girls
Sweden girls
thai girls
jamaican girls
russian girls
ukranian girls
belarussian girls
germany girls
canadian girls
australian girls
japaneses girls
oh and 1 nigerian girl lol
for the most part taller and better looking than i am. So if i could everyone can!!
Girls are the same from almost any nationality!!
Well lets put it this way, shorter guys have to compensate their shortness by being more confident and having other things to get the girl compared to the tall guy who needs less of everything else. Some cases the extra confidence wont be enough though.
Also you are talking about scoring with girls, which i agree is quite easy even for us average guys. However when getting a lasting relationship, and if you want a real hot girl, then you need lots of everything (unless you are either really rich, famous or lucky)
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chriss:: agree with you)) yeah looking good always makes me feel pumped!)) like im the man haha))) i tell that to my self everytime i see me in the mirror))
wannbegiant::: agree. ofcourse guys with not good or even average appearance have to compensate with personality. But even more important than personality is "vibes" what you convey as a person, and understanding of people in general. When I said scoring i ment from random hook ups to potential serious relationships. But right now I dont feel like committing to a relationship, maybe tomorrow ill change my mind. But I know i can if I want to. To me a long term relationship has nothing to do with game, it has to do more with 2 people really connecting in so many different deep levels. Confidence is not enough!!! of course not. confidence is way over rated my friend. Confidence can come and go like the wind. But your vibe and your social skill will always be there, having an understanding of people is the key.
what she says vs what she does.
for example, me at 163:
I meet a girl, at first she is kinda bitchy and probably not attracted to me, because she is used to date super tall handsome guys. she doesnt need a guy like me. But i buy time and she start getting comfortable with my presence, well then I move on, and test what behavior she starts accepting from me, in her mind she doesnt like me, but then all of the saddle i hold her hand, i give her hug, then a kiss, the we walk holding hand, then we make out. and then she will still tell me, oh my god i can't believe I just kissed you, "you are not so my type" i heard that s**t all the time. well i said "you must like me then" then she agreed with a smile, then we go on a date. now she is not only attracted to me subconsciously but also consciously. then we have an amazing time together and realizes that she is not the only woman in my life (that's called pre selection) and she sees that despite of my height I have many pretty girl friends around me. She knows that I don't need girls in my life, i want to be with her which is different. Women are way more social intelligent than men( and subconsciously looking for survival). What really attract women is a real man. Now, that been said: do i get rejected?? of course i do!!! but not even 50% of time maybe out of 10, 2 or 3 will reject me but who cares, I don't, i just move on, there are so many hot! smart sexy nice girls in the world to worry about just 1. Even model looking guys get reject so why would I feel bad about that? rejection is just part of life))) it doesnt mean s**t, how you deal with it is what it counts))
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Well honestly i havent really ever aggressively pursued a lasting relationship with a hot girl before, usually even if im doing well with her (kissing and feeling a large mutual attraction), i dont go all the way because i know i will have to work so hard for it since these girls have so many guys competing over them. I realize that eventually you will have to work hard but its not worth it if some other taller guy can come into her life and take over without having to work nearly as hard. I also realized that there is no point in a relationship before im done with LL, you need to be happy with yourself if you want such a relationship to last.
So while i might have a chance with those girls for long term, i rather be as good as i can be so i dont have to feel like im dating up in the foodchain, i rather want it to be like im as much as a catch as the girl is. So she realize that she also has to work a little because i have many options too.
I guess what im saying is that in my experience, quite a lot of girls seem to find me attractive, problem is that usually there is another guy or several other guys involved that has more leverage than i do. (taller, more status etc) It simply feels much better going into this game of competition when you are at a more level playing field.
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height is very important... and women value looks just as much as men... These are facts, and no amount of positive thinking or confidence is going to change these things... If you are 5'6 or below, and the most confident guy in the world, you're still going to have a much lower pct with girls than even a 5'9 guy
And adriano is 1000000% right.... We are getting told that we should be happy with who we are, and height doesn't matter, from a guy that broke both of his legs and lengthened his tibia 9 cm... which is a lot....None of us is secure with ourselves or our height, otherwise we would not be breaking our healthy legs to get taller. A confident person does not do this.
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I am not a confident person all the time. Confidence is way over rated. Im only saying at 163 I was getting all I wanted from life that is all. And yes I cut my legs and grew 9cms and I had the most amazing time of my life))))
Quick update:::::
My doct told me I still need to get another week for frame removal. I thought I maybe I could do it today but my doc doesn't qant to take any risk. So one more week with crutches.
For the first time here im having a little bit of drama with gilrs (((((
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I too had beautiul girlfriends and great friendships at 165 cm. I had some wonderful times. But overall, I felt bad about myself. Now I don't. Other than that, much hasn't changed. Doesn't feeling good about yourself mean a lot anyway? If x happened or y happened, I blamed my height. Now I can blame the other person. Haha ;D
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RGKEY: Thanks for writing this diary. I know it has been quite a long journey, but eventually and hopefully, it will all be over soon.
I didn't even think to research on the doctors over there in Russia. I will definitely find out some more about them. However it does make me a little nervous as I have heard some reports on attacks on people that are not of Caucasian descent happening over in Russia. I want to have LL, but at the same time, I want to be safe as well.
Crimsontide: I overall agree with what you're saying. Women care about looks(especially height). If they didn't, I don't believe nearly half as people searching and inquiring about LL would be doing so.
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1. Face
2. Height
3. Penis's size
4. Intelligence
5. Status
1,2 and 3 will get you the 95 % of girls, 4 and 5 the other 5%....
You shouldn't mistaken porno for meeting girls in real life. Number 3 should be good at keeping long-term relationship but not at picking up decent/educated/beautiful women. Number 3 should be way down at the bottom of the list and number 4 should be way up top. Unless, you are just drop dead gorgeous (like Tom Cruise or Brad Pit) no one will want to sleep with you at first sight. That's why we need to do a little bit of scheming, which is why I think intelligent should be key. But I also think number 1 and 2 are important.. but those are not everything. As for me...
1. Need more work
2. See below :D
3. Don't even mention this!
4. Alright... university degree plus an okay job
5. Driving honda civic
See!! You don't need to be perfect. My life is still good.
shorter guys have a disadvantage absolutely but not from looks but from confidence!!
I have scored with:
Americans
Latin american girls
Sweden girls
thai girls
jamaican girls
russian girls
ukranian girls
belarussian girls
germany girls
canadian girls
australian girls
japaneses girls
oh and 1 nigerian girl lol
for the most part taller and better looking than i am. So if i could everyone can!!
Girls are the same from almost any nationality!!
Damn. This is one exotic list here.
Well honestly i havent really ever aggressively pursued a lasting relationship with a hot girl before, usually even if im doing well with her (kissing and feeling a large mutual attraction), i dont go all the way because i know i will have to work so hard for it since these girls have so many guys competing over them. I realize that eventually you will have to work hard but its not worth it if some other taller guy can come into her life and take over without having to work nearly as hard. I also realized that there is no point in a relationship before im done with LL, you need to be happy with yourself if you want such a relationship to last.
So while i might have a chance with those girls for long term, i rather be as good as i can be so i dont have to feel like im dating up in the foodchain, i rather want it to be like im as much as a catch as the girl is. So she realize that she also has to work a little because i have many options too.
I guess what im saying is that in my experience, quite a lot of girls seem to find me attractive, problem is that usually there is another guy or several other guys involved that has more leverage than i do. (taller, more status etc) It simply feels much better going into this game of competition when you are at a more level playing field.
We're in the same boat. It seems that your points and mine are similar. To improving our dating pool, we need to improve the person within! Women are not stupid (at least the smart one). They, like men, want the best they can get. That's why we need to constantly improve ourselves if we want to date the top female at the higher end of the beauty/status chain.
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Hi Cas, thank you for the cool words!))
You are the second person who ask me about this attacks.. im not well informed about this, all I can say is that I feel great here, taxi drivers, people in general are very nice to me and Im as brown as you can get, and some people even think im chinese, arabic, mexican, philipino but definately not white. Yeah, well people don't always search for the right things. Also, not always find the right information. From my own experiences good game does a lot more than height.
hey small guy:: yeah, that list cracks me up!! if that was true you and I wouldn't have girls in our life!! And i will still be a virgin))
chrissisaak:: i like the way you think))
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height is very important... and women value looks just as much as men... These are facts, and no amount of positive thinking or confidence is going to change these things... If you are 5'6 or below, and the most confident guy in the world, you're still going to have a much lower pct with girls than even a 5'9 guy
And adriano is 1000000% right.... We are getting told that we should be happy with who we are, and height doesn't matter, from a guy that broke both of his legs and lengthened his tibia 9 cm... which is a lot....None of us is secure with ourselves or our height, otherwise we would not be breaking our healthy legs to get taller. A confident person does not do this.
I think the same.
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For me, the importance priority is;
1) Status
2) Intelligence
3) Height (physique)
4) Face
5) Penis size
"Status" is a huge thing. It doesn't necessarily have to be wealth. It could be popularity among a group, your social position in a group, or in extreme cases, fame. Fame as in "You're good/the best in what you do professionally". For instance, I'm now 5'8, but I think the 5'5 Jamie Cullum has better status than me. He's not world famous maybe (like Daniel Radcliffe) but his musical talent is beyond amazing, which is perhaps why he's married with a much taller, gorgeous woman like Sophie Dahl. He's good and innovating at what he does professionally, and that's a very attractive trait.
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If we are talking about have womans. Girlfriends. Etc
1) face
2) height
3) status
4) inteligence
5) penis size
For me, the importance priority is;
1) Status
2) Intelligence
3) Height (physique)
4) Face
5) Penis size
"Status" is a huge thing. It doesn't necessarily have to be wealth. It could be popularity among a group, your social position in a group, or in extreme cases, fame. Fame as in "You're good/the best in what you do professionally". For instance, I'm now 5'8, but I think the 5'5 Jamie Cullum has better status than me. He's not world famous maybe (like Daniel Radcliffe) but his musical talent is beyond amazing, which is perhaps why he's married with a much taller, gorgeous woman like Sophie Dahl. He's good and innovating at what he does professionally, and that's a very attractive trait.
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You're underestimating intelligence. With a great face and height you could have a lot of one night stands, but without intelligence nothing will be long term. I'd rather spend time with an intelligent woman with average beauty rather than an unintelligent top model. But of course, that's just me. Everyone's different.
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You're underestimating intelligence. With a great face and height you could have a lot of one night stands, but without intelligence nothing will be long term. I'd rather spend time with an intelligent woman with average beauty rather than an unintelligent top model. But of course, that's just me. Everyone's different.
I think intelligence is quite hard to measure here, i mean when you say people value intelligence or that you want an intelligent partner, do you want someone that is MIT smart, or just someone average who isnt an idiot?
Because most average people fall into around the same average intelligence if they are from the same socio-cultural background. The differences in intelligence between these individuals would only become noticeable in unusual circumstances, or if both of you in the relationship are into fields like science or medicine etc. The other daily subjects that an average person would need to be able to handle are pretty easy for even "dumb" people. In fact some "less" intelligent people might in return have higher social competence or EQ (emotional intelligence), which would probably make these people more fun to hang around with rather than a guy like Sheldon from Big bang theory :P There are many "less intelligent" people with pleasant personalities and many smart ones with obnoxious personalities.
I guess my point is, that as long as the person im dating or meeting doesnt seem to be an idiot, and has decent knowledge about all around education. (and this is quite easy to notice early on) Then intelligence isnt really much of a factor in terms of attraction, for me at least. I would guess quite a lot of people think like this, men and women, but i cant prove it.
So unless the person im dating is a complete idiot these are the most important values for me:
1.Face
2. Personality (this is different that intelligence)
3. Body (tits and ass, curves etc)
4. Intelligence
5. Height (needs to be shorter than me)
For one night stands however it looks more like this for me:
1. Body
2. Face
3. personality
4. Height (needs to be shorter than me)
5. Intelligence
I guess as i am a man, status doesnt affect me in my attraction for a woman. I know this is important for women though, so for them i guess it goes like this:
Dating:
1. Face
2. Height
3. Status
4. Personality
5. Intelligence
One night stand:
1. Face
2. Height
3. Body
4. Personality
5. Status (status helps here of course but not as much because you can pretend to be someone special without repercursion for single encounters)
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Someone with a similar socioeconomic background is also important to me. For instance, I have a hard time dating Turkish girls who don't speak English, simply because I use English and foreign culture a lot in daily life. I'd have a hard time dating people with very different political opinions than mine. Although it's not impossible, it's very hard to maintain a relationship with someone when you're not on the same page. When I say intelligent, I don't mean "MIT or Harvard smart", that's not necessary at all. But I at least expect one not to be a complete moron ;D
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Someone with a similar socioeconomic background is also important to me. For instance, I have a hard time dating Turkish girls who don't speak English, simply because I use English and foreign culture a lot in daily life. I'd have a hard time dating people with very different political opinions than mine. Although it's not impossible, it's very hard to maintain a relationship with someone when you're not on the same page. When I say intelligent, I don't mean "MIT or Harvard smart", that's not necessary at all. But I at least expect one not to be a complete moron ;D
Yeah i thought so ;) thats also my point, that since most people we meet or end up dating are from the same socioeconomic background as ourselves, its likely that person will at least be relatively similar in terms of intelligence when it comes to normal daily subjects. This is why i dont think intelligence is much of a factor for most average relationships, at least not at the same level as the other values we mentioned.
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I guess I break every body's rule here!)) Lol
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http://youtu.be/aE9QSuSxIMY
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http://youtu.be/aE9QSuSxIMY
Very good video, he has a lot of good points, but most of them i have heard before from other pickup artists and reading "The Game" by Neil Strauss.
The thing he said around 15.00 about being a guy that almost lived up to the societal standard (being 5'8 or 5'9) and being tortured because you feel so close yet so far away. That is exactly how i felt before this surgery. I felt i had everything i needed to become one of the guys in top of the social hierarchy except for height which was basically a locked door for me. I stood in front of the mirror many times thinking im soo close..
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Funny because now that im 172 I still don't feel good about my height. It is really a never end story when we keep compering our selfs. So much insecurity I dislike it. Today I just got some girl s number but I still feel kinda weird about it because even thou she flirted with my and gave me a lot of rapport, the fact that im walking with a crutch and I stil havel a frame on my leg makes me feel like a little strange, specially when I know ill be free of frames on Monday this anxiety of being there but not there yet is killing me. And I have few girls ill be dating next week and the insecurity of walking like a handicap is hunting me haha. All I can do is just do it, im sure these feelings will go away. The funny thing is that I didn't feel like this two months ago. Because I wasn't comparing my self to anything I was only living in the present moment. I need to get back to that mind set.
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About the walking, I imagine that it makes me charismatic like Dr.House/Hugh Laurie. It makes me feel better, you should try that mind set :)
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About the walking, I imagine that it makes me charismatic like Dr.House/Hugh Laurie. It makes me feel better, you should try that mind set :)
Lol will try))
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Funny because now that im 172 I still don't feel good about my height. It is really a never end story when we keep compering our selfs. So much insecurity I dislike it. Today I just got some girl s number but I still feel kinda weird about it because even thou she flirted with my and gave me a lot of rapport, the fact that im walking with a crutch and I stil havel a frame on my leg makes me feel like a little strange, specially when I know ill be free of frames on Monday this anxiety of being there but not there yet is killing me. And I have few girls ill be dating next week and the insecurity of walking like a handicap is hunting me haha. All I can do is just do it, im sure these feelings will go away. The funny thing is that I didn't feel like this two months ago. Because I wasn't comparing my self to anything I was only living in the present moment. I need to get back to that mind set.
Yeah, I can feel you bro. I also feel the same way before when I try to mole myself into the image that women wants... tall, handsome, rich and anything and everything. I never live up to their expectation.
However, nowadays I really falter in the dating department. You have gone farther than I have. If anyone ask me if my chance of scoring more women after LL, my answer would be no. It is much worst now. I met 6 women last month. I filter down to just 2 hottest ones. Now yesterday, I cut off the last beauty queen because I find that she was a bit annoying.
I find that my left-hand gave me more intimate experience than any wowan I ever had, no pressure to perform and I can go at my own pace (not the "faster faster BS").... and I hadn't had sex for a year. At 5'8, we are already very close to average and if we want, 2 layers of insole in the bottom of our shoes would be sufficient and natural... and we can wear shorts during the summer. Life is not about women. It's about you.
Being average or close to average is ideal. I find that tall people who exceed their height spectrum (over 5'8 for women and 6'1 for men), find that their height becomes more of a hindrance. My orthodontic who is 6'4 always have to droop downward. My ex manager who was 5'11 always wish she was smaller. If you go to the gym, you'll see that people who are in shape and are proportional (close to average) are ideal, for both men and women.
To overcome your insecurity, I just go to the gym and make myself into a godly figure (try to)... ripped arms and 6 packs. Your muscle body armor will shield you from all the insecurity. And also work on your skincare routine. I usually exfoliate, cleanse and nourish my skin with head to toe every day. If you have an symmetrical face, close to average height, clear skin, and body of muscle armor, then you will be impenetrable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGeAMVK75T4
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Thank you bigguy!))
I think im also feeling like this because I had sex with this one girl and I can't stop thinking about her, and I tell to my self I need to f**k another girl to forget about her. In regards of my height I almost feel the same way as before. I think even worse than you im trying to live up to me own expectations or better say hallucinations of what I could achieve "only if I" seriously this girl is driving me nuts!! The worse part is that she has a boyfriend, I think the fact that she does has a bf makes me want her even more >:( I even look for pornography with girls that look just like her haha lol good news is I have been in this situation before and I know this feeling will go away))))
Anyway Monday I hope to jave good news)) I hopefully be free of metals!) Thanx again for your words and the video, that's a classic)))
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Bigguy (yeah I don't want to call you smallguy anymore),
Great advice man. I'm even sicker in the head that I want to take it to the next level: FAME. That's when you become absolutely impenetrable. (Fame with a sixpack, lol) I'll let you guys know if I ever succeed. In all honesty, I don't want to be successful with women, I want more. I want to torture them a bit. I've always been the "good guy" type. I'm sick of it. I haven't seen any benefit there, so no more Mr. Nice Guy. I want to look into the mirror and see a godlike physique. I know it sounds very narcissistic. Can't help. I'll post all my workout before-after photos for motivation!
Rgkey, date other girls, sleep with others, that's the best way to forget. I still can't forget this girl too. It's stupid. Why do we value people who hurt us and why do we want them back, why are we careless towards people who love us? The whole human mindset is crazy.
*P.S: Not ALL women! I meant the ones who really ask to be tortured. Lol
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Hahaha thanx Chriss!))
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Hey guys, so the end of my journey is becoming a reality. Yesterday I had a lot of mix feelings, in terms of my reality, actions and
overall my existence. I thought of why I started a diary in the first place. Im glad I found my answer to a question I wasn't completely sure i could answer a a little while ago. I came to the conclusion that first Im not a bad person which makes me sympathize with others and try to help. Second for my own amusement. I enjoy expressing my self, sharing my experiences, and interacting with other people, reading to your messages and replies, it was fun!) These reasons being said, I am a very selfish person. Everything I do I do it because I want to, and because it makes me feel good, I'm not different from anybody else. While I was doing LL this forum was a help in the sense that it kinda filled up my lazy time, so I had something to do. I need to be honest also, I would probably not make much posting after i get my frames removed, because my guess is, my life will be busy doing something else. I will try but I can't guarantee, I don't know maybe my desire to help will make me do it, will see. I would like but I don't need people to like me, respect me, agree with me, validate my actions or approve what I say or I do, I only purely care to live my own truth. I can not change anybody's mentality or decisions, I can only provide with information, from my knowledge and from my opinions, it is op to you to decide for your self what to do. So, before I take a break from this forum i want to take you to my journey before leg lengthening, so maybe just like me, you can find happiness which I found a little while before I did this surgery. I don't expect anyone to understand my reasons for doing this surgery and I honestly don't think it is important to know. But maybe if you go through my journey before LL you kinda understand my view, which maybe or maybe not will help you.
Again I'm only here to provide with information. So I would like to live you with some quotes that I remind my self constantly, all this quotes were with me during my whole Leg lengthening process. The last quote is the last and the last the first I made or put on my brain.
"No one should ever be satisfied with only ok. You should get only the best from life. The best experiences, the best love, enjoyment, and over all happiness. Life means nothing without enjoying every time of your life. Give your life a high value!! You deserve it)) Take risks)) Live life responsibly but don't take it so seriously. I wish when I was 18 years old I knew everything that I know now))) Everyone deserves the best. Stop living in your little bubble and be happy)) Find your own truth"
"I rather be the weirdo who lives his own dreams, than the average person who is ruled by everyone else's expectations"
"I respect my self for having the courage to put my self in the most difficult and painful situations to achieve what I want. I don't need people to like me, respect me, approve or validate my actions. I only care to live my truth"
"Next time you,
Worry, stress out, are negative, act from anger. Remember you will not fix anything this way, you can only make things worse. On the other hand, when you focus on the positive, smile, laugh, and never let your negativism conquer you and your actions, you might have a better chance to change things for better. Negativism and anger defeats only the weak and confused people. Stop being so serious! serious faces are not attractive at all and it will not get you anywhere in life! Be your best self, be sexy, be that person that you are when you take a hot bath or drink a fine wine, or with your family, enjoying life, or having amazing sex. Identify the best person you can be and be it!! every fking single day of your life!) Make being the best of you your everyday habit"
"There is not such thing as a bad spirit. There is only confused minds, which leads to misunderstandings between people, which leads to conflicting actions"
"Happiness is not a feeling, it's the highest stage of body and mind"
"you are gonna love me, you are gonna hate me, but Im gonna be me"
Kanye West-
"Life is so unpredictable and difficult, so why working so hard for an easy and comfortable life, when we could invest and work on our own self to be happy and comfortable even in the most difficult situations"
"Anger is like stabbing your self in the heart and expecting the other person to die"
"Having a defined taste for something is useless. However, knowing whether you like something or not, it's much more realistic"
"music exists way before it even makes a sound"
"You want a hot body? You want a Bugatti?
You want a Maserati? You better work bitch
You want a Lamborghini? Sip martinis?
Look hot in a bikini? You better work bitch
You wanna live fancy? Live in a big mansion?
Party in France?
You better work bitch, you better work bitch
You better work bitch, you better work bitch
Now get to work bitch!"
Britney Spears
"When you face Fear every day for a long time, you realize Fear never really existed. It was all part of your imagination. So why in the fk our brain creates and imagine such thing that makes us sweat and panic? Very simple, the only reason for Fear it is to stop us and prevent us from getting hurt, but at the end of the day, fear only stop us from taking action but not from getting hurt"
"If you are going through hell, don't stop, just keep walking"
"The day you ask your self, am I a crazy person? There is a possibility that you are completely fine, but everyone else is crazily insane"
"The best way to pray is to take massive action, the best way to take action is to believe, the best way to believe is to have faith, the best way to have faith is to be happy, the best way to be happy is to live the moment, the best way to live the moment is to pray"
"A rich person doesn't have a lot, a rich person needs very little"
"Art is everywhere, but not everywhere it is visible"
"Saying I believe is not enough. What you do, and why you do it is what you believe"
"The source of real freedom comes from the mind. Hybrid freedom relies upon relativity"
"I am 30 years old. I've experienced pain, love, sex, anger, hunger, comfort, anxiety, fear, disappointment, peace, and almost all there is to experience. But somehow, Life was always remained the same and never was as I expected it to be"
"While everything remains the same, everything changes in your mind"
"Life is a dificult gift to understand"
"I am born every day"
"Redefining Success
Success Is Personal: Society has defined what success is, but unfortunately, society is wrong. What society really means, for the most part, is luck. Success is individual, I'm the only one who can measure my own success. Success can be measure not by the outcome but for what it is done to accomplish it. In other words i'm not entirely responsible for what I accomplish, I can only be responsible and take credits for what I do. This society in which we live in needs the perfect image, the perfect story, needs a model of what life must be. Without this bull we would have a completely different society. Maybe better, maybe not, but definitely different, and perhaps happier"
"To be mentally strong: most people don't have a clue what that really means. It is the ability of making decisions even against your will to achieve mental and spiritual clarity. To get this ability, For most people, it means facing their deepest fears and going out of their comfort zone. Every time you find your self making very logical excuses for not taking action. It might as well mean, that your brain and every molecule of your body is trying very hard to stop you and to prevent you from getting hurt, not only physically but also mentally. Remember, at the end of the day a stronger person is a happier person (freedom!) And yes, it is possible to become stronger, and so, happier. The same way people go the gym for fitness it is possible to get mental fitness as well"
"Right and wrong only exist in people's mind"
"so people keep blaming others for their tragedies"
"more important than what you say it's how you say it, more important than what you do or accomplish is how you do it"
"The fear of not finding the right person makes you stay with the wrong person"
"Next time you think somebody is weird, think again, you might be the weirdo for letting society dictate your reality"
So that being said. Here is me back at 16 years old.
In High school, short and chubby, I was super superficial, using color contact lenses, I fked up my eyes, i was never happy with my appearance. I hated the fact that i was short and chubby and had brown eyes. anyway time passes, i got in shape and that helped my confidence I was able to get dates and some girls, but never as hot as i always dreamed of. so when I was 23 I met this girl that I really liked and we started dating, this relationship was the beginning of the end and of a new beginning, a new me. We dated for 5 years and lived together also. I got super fat, i was stressed all the time, we had crazy fights, even physical fights. I remember I was so unhappy, i felt like but the end of it. I was 100 kilograms, I was even fking prostitutes, don't ask me why because I didn't even know, I was lost. So finally after many attempts from me to leave her, she finally took the decision of leaving me, I cried and cried. So that is when my life turned around. I was either gonna die or be born again. Well i decided to get in shape. And I also thought of how I could meet women, so one time i remember taking a in my bathroom and I goggled "how to talk to girls" or something like that. And that is when I found "the pickup community" I couldn't believe it. So I started learning about it, and getting more information. Until I found "Adam Lyons" I liked him and I signed up for a bootcamp, by this time I wasn't fat I was kinda chubby but short, it was a weekend bootcamp, it was painful, but by the end of that weekend, I remember on a Sunday, I stopped this Thai girl, and we end up having lunch together and on that night went to the club and I got my first real fk!!! I was so happy I couldn't believe it!! I couldn't believe I managed to meet a girl and have her on my bed that same day. So after, I kept improving my pickup skills, I met up with many pickup instructors and other bootcamps, My game was ok, by this I mean, I was getting a lot of phone numbers but many of them didn't end up in anything, many flake numbers. I had an awesome one on one seeing with a great instructor for a whole weekend, this session costed me 2500 dollars, but by the end of it I knew pretty much all I needed to know at least the basics. But most importunely he introduced me to a great book and youtube video, please look for this guy "ANTHONY DE MELLO" he talked about happiness and about waking up and how everything is only in our mind, well this was the real beginning of my transformation. After I got all this down, my game was good, I was able to be my self and be successful with women. While I was doing all this I was also working on my fitness and getting a black belt in Judo. I got to be 70 kilograms and somehow I discovered about leg lengthening on the internet. I didn't give it too much importance but I was real curious and I wasn't obsess with being taller but I thought it would be awesome!! I was using elevator shoes and all that, and I was content with that really. I met another great instructor, probably the best pick up artist I have ever seen in my life, " JUSTIN WAYNE" he is amazing he does something called romantic connection, it is great. By this time I was happy with my life and I realized that it didn't matter what I went through I was always gonna enjoy my self and every time of my life regardless of the reality, and I wasn't gonna let my fears conquer me. I was always gonna face my fears no matter what. I came to many realizations. When finally i came to the conclusion that LL was the greatest thing I could do to my self, not only growing taller will be awesome, but also the challenge that it requires would help me test my believes and if for some reason I became a handicap, I was going to be happy with it or learn to accept my self. my mind set was " there are no tragedies in reality, tragedies only happen in my mind" So I was really trying to test my believes, and of course I loved the idea of being taller. So that is how I found many places for LL and I decided to go for Russia. Because, there is where everything started, and many doctors went there to train. Also, I was always intrigued with the russian culture and women. I came with the mind set to have the best time of my life, and boy I did!! No vacation or trip to the moon will ever compare to the experiences I had here for the last almost 11 months. I experience everything there is to experiences in life in 11 months. The good, the bad, the great and the worst. I would do it all over again in a heart bit.
So my last thought, I would say, "life is not short, it is fking long for most people, but time and space can be very short and badly wasted" All you need to achieve what you want is The right information, and massive action, or a lot of luck.
From an objective view, before I did LL, I got in god shape and improved my social skills tremendously!! I spent time and about 15k in my social skills. I went from the short fat guy who couldnt get girls to a short decent looking guy who was having amazing sex and romantic connection with beautiful women.
here are some videos and links of the people helped me finding my path.
Adam Lyons
DJ fuji
Rsd
Justin Wayne
Athony de mello (must see)
Look for "the 21 convention"
Rob Judge
And I guess everyone knows Mistery))
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you can were 4cm lifts 176cm is a good height
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Im happy for you. Your LL journey is almost end. I hope you to Have lucky and get your fixator out today. Your new height will give you better opportunities in your life and will make you fell much better about your self and the way others see you .you are a hero for me. so All i can say is enjoy your new life , be happy and fk with all the girls you can, that will be a lot.
Thank you brother for write your diary. It has been very Helpful for us.
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Congrats on the end of your LL experience, enjoy your new height Rgkey.
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Rgkey,
Thank you for sharing your journey. I've been reading Anthony de Mello quotes all night and I've been very inspired and touched. Thank you for your suggestion. We constantly try to build things, don't we? Be it ourselves, relationships, height.. I hope you're now able to look at yourself and realize the great person you are, as I do now when I look at you. You've tried to build yourself in wisdom and have acquired so much more than centimeters. A great life lies ahead of you. Your soul will pull it off. Best of luck.
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Thanx to all!)) yeah Chriss Anthony de mello was the last piece of my puzzle, after him I really reached my self in a very high and deep level, I rediscovered my happiness thanx to him!))
So yeah, ANTHONY DE MELLO was the voice that saved my life)))) btw, he is not the only one saying what he is saying, but he was the one that at that particular point of my life woke me up with how he said things. His message somehow got deep into my head and really woke me up from my nightmare. But of course everything I did before leaded me to him. Maybe if I didn't experienced everything I did before him, he wouldn't have meant anything to me.
I respect all theologies and religions, to me all of them have the same great message of happiness, I just couldn't see it before. But, no, im not a religious person at all, I respect all religions but I just don't believe in them. I only care about their message, and all of them to me are great!)))
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Hey RGKEY,
I never heard of Anthony De Mello but I just watched a video of him and it was pretty good.
Have you read many of his books? Is there one that you would recommend?
Btw thank you for writing this diary and congrats on what you have achieved.
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Thanx man)))
Awareness and Rediscovering life.
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surprise surprise!!!!! Bone is not stable enough so I must walk with crutches for at least 2 more weeks. I will also have X-rays next week to see how the bones are before I go home.
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Rgkey,
Since you seem to be the master in the subject, I'd like to ask you something. I know it varies from person to person, but on average how long after frame removal can a person start walking without any support (canes, crutches)? For instance, if I lengthen tibias 6cm with external only and they remove my frames, what's the safe amount of time to wait before I can start walking with no aid devices and i can start working out (squats, lunges, leg curls, leg extension machine)? Thank you
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All depends in your bone regeneration
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)) I love Russia))
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today spent all day in the mall!! legs are very sore. I bought new pants. somehow i still see people with larger legs than me in proportion to their torsos. Somehow I still feel I have short legs lol And I think the correction of my left leg has moved just a little bit. I think it was my bad thou, I walked sometimes without crutches, I can only blame my self for that. But I dont think is that noticeable. I still like my legs a lot more now than before op. Today one of the ladies who was helping me with pants at the store saw my scars when I was on my underwear and she said to me "ilizarov ah"? I said yes, then she said, "you had bowed legs, you corrected your legs"? i said yes. she said "they look good" Funny how she didn't notice my leg disproportions. Now that I see my self, I can definitely go for 5 or 7cms on femurs lol not that I will do it, but it will be on the back of my mind))
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You definitely could. I think you legs just look small because they are skinny. Add muscle to them and they will look better. How do you feel your wingspan to height looks?
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It's hard to believe you lengthened that much. Your tibias don't look out of proportion at all. It looks like you could easily do 5 or 6 cms on your femurs.
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Thanks for a wonderful diary and the positive energy. :) I hope you continue updates about returning to a normal sporting life. I agree your proportions is possible for longer femurs.
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I agree with the others, you look perfectly proportional, honestly it is hard to imagine you actually had 9 cm shorter tibias before, ot would be weird to see a pre-op picture of your legs now.
If you have the time and money you could definitely do femurs as well.
Btw how does walking feel? Do you look normal while walking or are you kind of limping?
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Maybe it's the angles, but it sure doesn't looks like you've lengthened 9cm.
Congratulations.
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RGKEY do you have any pics of your legs pre-operation? it would be nice to see the comparison :)
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Thanx people for the kind words!!))
ill try my best to keep you all updated.
Wingspan looks fine to me, but it's hard to tell because im on crutches all the time, but when im standing and see my self on the mirror it looks fine to me and others I think.
Here is a picture of me pre-op is the one on the left, the one on the right is just me at 177.
I honestly think that what you end up looking like post op is different than any mockup photo!)))
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Can you post a detail description of your current athletic ability ?
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Can you post a detail description of your current athletic ability ?
Athletic ability!!?? Haha sounds funny... I can barely walk lol
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Planning to put lifts on this bad boys!!)))
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Looking good bro, looking good! I think you should still use your crutches as much as recommended by Dr. Barinov. It does look like your legs are nice and sturdy now though!
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Yes im trying but it's hard
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So these are the results, once I start getting more muscles I think my legs will look even better!))
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So these are the results, once I start getting more muscles I think my legs will look even better!))
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just perfect
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thank you pretty tall))
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So in this pictures im wearing 3.5 cms lifts, plus the base of the shoe, i measured my self and im 177cms with the shoes on. When I was walking outside I felt tall)) haha, that was a good feeling, some people looked at me or even starred at me i didnt know exactly why. So I asked one girl in the clinic what she thought this was, she said, you look completely normal, people looked at you just because just of your face, you are foreign and handsome)))) I don't know how much of it is true but I hope it is))))) Today I have 2 dates with 2 local girls that don't know anything about my operation. Im gonna say I dislocate my leg or something to justify my crutches and my funny walking hahaha! wish me luck. I will try my best to take pictures))
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You look good. You must've had a big torso to start off with. I see no disproportion at all.
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agree with leo, nobody can tell that you did LL .. and it's hard to believe that you did 9cm!
anyway, you still can gain 5 cm in your femur,, and I think you'll still look completely normal..
I hope I'll end up with a good result as your, rgkey,, I'm kindda envy you ;D
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Standing again at almost 178!))) I felt tall today with my lifts hahaha!))
and i met up with a girl today, she didnt know about my op, so I just said I broke my leg and that is why I walked funny and i got tired very fast. and BTW, she was taller than me she stands at 179, crazy uh!? she wasnt my type anyway lol too tall, for me perfect is 160 to 170cms))) for the most part))))
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yeah disobedient i think if I do i will lengthen at least 5cms if there is not complications)) I think I can even go for 7 and still look normal)) that would make me 179, that would be amazing!))
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Rgkey,
I'm currently looking for CLL clothing and I've read in other diaries that lizarov patients say that they do not use underwear but only baggy loose shorts. Did you do this too? How about during the operation, do they strip you down completely? Thank you.
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I think without the lifts you looked fine but when you were 177cm it looked like your arms were
too short. It was a bit like Craig49 from the old forum who went from 172cm to 184cm. You seem like you have a wingspan of around 170cm which is why you look proportionate at this stage.
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Rgkey,
I'm currently looking for CLL clothing and I've read in other diaries that lizarov patients say that they do not use underwear but only baggy loose shorts. Did you do this too? How about during the operation, do they strip you down completely? Thank you.
I used my normal underwear. It's not problem. They don't strip you down. But you need to shave your legs lol
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I think without the lifts you looked fine but when you were 177cm it looked like your arms were
too short. It was a bit like Craig49 from the old forum who went from 172cm to 184cm. You seem like you have a wingspan of around 170cm which is why you look proportionate at this stage.
Maybe, but I feel completely proportional. I just went on a date with my lifts and my date complemented me on how good I look!)) So I guess I don't look too disproportional. Or at least it's not noticeable.
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Hi, i dont think its very noticeable, your proportions look good. Most people dont care that much about proportion, unless its very weird.
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Your proportions look good brah. People doesnt care about proportions. Only if it is very noticeable . You look perfectly normal with your lifts
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Lookin' good with or without the lifts. Everyone's a little different and there's an acceptable range of ratios that you aren't exceeding either way.
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Someone said I quote "proportions Nazis" lol I mean for those who are obsessed with proportions I think everyone have something unproportional or a defect on their bodies))) I don't mean to unrespect anyone, I just say this because I used to be like this too. Just always looking for imperfections in people, even good looking people. I was such a fool!)) I glad I don't feel this way anymore)))))) love to everyone
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I have been trying to contact Dr. Barinov for the last week but have not gotten a reply. How long does it usually take to get a reply? Is there room for anyone else in Volgograd?
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I have been trying to contact Dr. Barinov for the last week but have not gotten a reply. How long does it usually take to get a reply? Is there room for anyone else in Volgograd?
I don't know man((( im not at the clinic anymore((( good luvk thou!)))
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Thanks. I have really enjoyed reading your story! Good luck with your recovery.
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Thanks. I have really enjoyed reading your story! Good luck with your recovery.
Thank you!!! Right now just having good times!!!!)) Loving life now))
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I think you look absolutely normal with or without clothes, not that I've seen you nked lol, I mean the underwear
Could you take the same picture with the lifts on that makes you 178cm but this time dont put your hands in your pocket so we can see your proportions, Im not a proportion Nazi but we have similar stats and would like to see what you look like should you do femur as well. Good luck on recovery
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RG, are you back in NY?
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I think you look absolutely normal with or without clothes, not that I've seen you nked lol, I mean the underwear
Could you take the same picture with the lifts on that makes you 178cm but this time dont put your hands in your pocket so we can see your proportions, Im not a proportion Nazi but we have similar stats and would like to see what you look like should you do femur as well. Good luck on recovery
Ok I will try. I usually when other people take pics of me im possing for my self not for the forum. I will try to take a pic of me with maybe one arm down. Thanx)
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RG, are you back in NY?
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Ill be back in one week
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Ready for my date with lifts, me at 177, btw, my date was actually taller than me lol but she had high heels too
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Ready for my date with lifts, me at 177, btw, my date was actually taller than me lol but she had high heels too
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Those lifts make your legs look deformed, your knees are too high up. You must be blind if you think you look acceptable.
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I didn't notice the height of his knees and I don't think most people would. I think without the lifts his proportions look normal. It looks like if he did femurs for about 6 cms he would probably look fine with the lifts in.
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I didn't notice the height of his knees and I don't think most people would. I think without the lifts his proportions look normal. It looks like if he did femurs for about 6 cms he would probably look fine with the lifts in.
When he's walking, his knees stick out like giant hemorrhoids on Kim Kardashian's ass. Wearing bright trousers doesn't help either. If he was wearing black and in a dark room, they would be less noticeable. Sweden says he looks cartoonish over on old forum .
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Also if is shirt wasn't long and covering up a lot of his femurs it would look better. But I agree 9cm ll + around 5cm lift is a bit too much for him. Sweden sometimes looks cartoonish. ;)
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Also if is shirt wasn't long and covering up a lot of his femurs it would look better. But I agree 9cm ll + around 5cm lift is a bit too much for him. Sweden sometimes looks cartoonish. ;)
I like to think of LL forum as a place where people can be totally honest like good friends. A guy like RGKEY who started at 162 cm and has done 9 cm of lengthening is going to have some issues as it's well over the 15% of original bone lengthening doctors ideally recommend for proportions/soft tissue issues etc. However I'm sure that's a cost/benefit he considered.
I don't believe anyone is deliberately being malicious pointing this stuff out. I like to think its more like a friend telling you something about your appearance before you go out in public
as only a true friend will be brutal whereas in public strangers won't tell you and be nice while you are there but they will talk about it when you are gone.
This is why when people try to be only positive it defeats the purpose of this forum as one of the few places where people can get totally honest feedback.
Blackhawk are you being serious about sweden? He will look cartoonish if he does his femurs but at the moment he is fine.
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Blackhawk are you being serious about sweden? He will look cartoonish if he does his femurs but at the moment he is fine.
I watched Swedens recent videos and he looks good and his mobility looks much improved. I think when he put on the big lift shoes he was a bit leggy but didn't look bad.
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I think it's just the way/angle the pic was taken but I would skip the lifts anyway since I noticed they give the high heeled appearance. :)
Very good diary, had lots of good info and plenty of pics.
Enjoy your new height and your new life!
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hahaha! I love these forums, yeah maybe Im blind and naive, and maybe I look cartoonish or like a "giant hemorrhoids", but Im honestly really happy with how I look and I still get laid with plenty hot hot women))))
But, thanx to all for the comments, they crack me up like usually!)) and I will keep them in consideration for next time when I worry about my proportions))) Please keep giving your brutal and honest comments!)
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There is a fine line between a constructive criticism that one can learn and grow from... versus a comment like deformed and cartoonist that borderline to a plain-out insult. These posters are obviously not the people you want to be friends with in person. They will try to bring you down out of jealousy at your women success and offer no real-value advice on how you can improve your life. I'm pretty sure you have met this type of people in person. This is one reason why I stop my diary completely. It's really pointless listening to these venom.
The point of the original post was he was on his way to dating a very tall girl. Thus the reason for the lift. Did he get the girl? Yes/no.. That's all that matters okay? If his proportion is revealing, then the girl would probably point it out to him. But a day with lift wouldn't do much damage to his health or self-esteem. I would even assume that she would focus on other things, like his strong upper physique, his well-groomed hair, his manner and how much money he has in his bank account... over a tiny thing like the length of his tibiae. And unless he tells her, she wouldn't know that he did LL with +9cm plus wearing lift. That's why reading some of the comments revealed that some people are totally inept about women.
Yeah, RGkey, you should really take the comments on here with a grain of salt. And it is hard to determine your proportion just by looking at your photo, which doesn't reveal how you walk, how you stride, or your bodily physique. And as long as you get the girl, the end justify the means.
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There is a fine line between a constructive criticism that one can learn and grow from... versus a comment like deformed and cartoonist that borderline to a plain-out insult. These posters are obviously not the people you want to be friends with in person. They will try to bring you down out of jealousy at your women success and offer no real-value advice on how you can improve your life. I'm pretty sure you have met this type of people in person. This is one reason why I stop my diary completely. It's really pointless listening to these vemons from Assop (sorry I forgot his name) who is really a loser. And another guy who really needs to find a real job and stop being a parasite to his own country. You know who.
The point of the original post was he was on his way to dating a very tall girl. Thus the reason for the lift. Did he get the girl? Yes/no.. That's all that matters okay? If his proportion is revealing, then the girl would probably point it out to him. But a day with lift wouldn't do much damage to his health or self-esteem. I would even assume that she would focus on other things, like his strong upper physique, his well-groomed hair, his manner and how much money he has in his bank... over a tiny thing like the length of his tibiae. And unless he tells her, she wouldn't know that he did LL with +9cm plus wearing lift. That reading some of the comments revealed that some people are totally inept about women.
Yeah, RGkey, you should really take the comments on here with a grain of salt. And it is hard to determine your proportion just by looking at your photo, which doesn't reveal how you walk, your stride, or your bodily physique. And as long as you get the girl, the end justify the means.
Well said.
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Hey smallguy!) Long time no hear from u!) You are such a gentleman! Good for you!)
Honestly whatever people say in these forums do not affect me at all, because it does not mean anything in my real life, it's just for my own amusement and entertainment)) my diary affects and means a lot to other people, but not that much to me. How could it??))))
Btw, walking with lifts is not such a great idea right now, my legs are so sore!! I can barely walk now((((
and yes I got the girl, she is an 11!!! Which is a 10 with a job and money since she is a lawyer, and im broke as hell haha... but she told me she does not care about that!)) Awesome girl she looks like angelina Julie and she is a pole dancer too... just amazing girl!!))
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Update:
on Thursday I got my visa situation solved, it was the most interesting thing ever. First we went to the emigration office with Oxana (the clinic manager) then I got interviewed with one of the emigration officers and I got very cute girl as my Interpreter (Irina) after all documents where in order, we went to the court house, so I felt like a movie star!!! hahaha escorted my 2 girls and 2 officers haha, at the end I joked with my interpreter, I held her hand and said " maybe it would be better if you marry me so I can get my documents" she laugh and got a red face, she replied, "unfortunately I have a boyfriend and kept smiling" but I could feel she really liked me a lot, i could have gotten her if I wanted to and we were alone not surround by 3 more people and in a court house. so I got my papers done all good. Im flying back home on thursday, but first i will visit one girl i really like awhile ago, she lives few hours from here, so ill stay with her for 2 days. Changing subject, On Friday my love went home, yes!!! I fell in love!!! im inlove with this girl, she drives me crazy!! most amazing sex ever, ive done thing with her that i only dreamed of, for example, making love while watching my favorite porno videos hahaha!! just awesome I really felt i was completely honest with her and she with me. Anyway, lately ive been stopped by random girls just wanting to talk to me, maybe height really makes me more attractive or maybe my "CARTOONISH LOOK" the girls really like!! haha either way Ive never gotten so much attention by the females, never!! i have to admit... i dont think im that good looking, i mean i can be but at the moment I think im good looking but not brad pit lol but girls act like if I was, sometimes I dont even know if they are being serious lol few nights ago I got a party in my apartment and for one hour all the girls could talk was how all the girls like me, well i think alcohol played a big part of it. but seriously I dont know whats happening, its like im a super sayayin (dragon ball) in this country hahaha Anyway, last night I went out with this super hot girl, we held hands and everything, and she asked me, " so im sure all the girls want to marry you" I was like what the fk!! again with the same questions!!! hahaha
So the things I will miss the most about this country are the GIRLS AND CAKES, their cakes are amazing!!! very cheap and super tasty!!! like having an orgasm!!!! and of course my girl which I love!! I will need some time to forget her, we connected so very much.
My legs hurt like a bitch!!! specially after walking with lifts, my walking sucks!!! I need to start walking without lifts until I recover enough I guess,
Smallguy, how long did you wait to start walking with lifts post frame removal???
so now is Sunday, there is one girl who wants to meet but honestly my legs are killing me, I will just stay home, maybe ill convince her to come visit me!)) that'll be awesome)) but It will be hard, since we have never meet so a first date in my apartment!?? weird as hell but iv'e been lucky so far!) will see, don't lose anything by trying!)))
Tomorrow I get xrays and my passport in hands!))) also maybe ill meet again with the angelina julie girl from yesterday and seal the deal!) today will be a very boring day, so people feel free to talk to me on skype!)) or here ill be online all day!!
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Yeah man. You have a good journey and a great year. You are 9cm taller and have had sex with too many girls. Continue updating your diary. Ita very interesting to know how your recovery goes in consolidation period and your adventures with dates
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Yeah man. You have a good journey and a great year. You are 9cm taller and have had sex with too many girls. Continue updating your diary. Ita very interesting to know how your recovery goes in consolidation period and your adventures with dates
yeah but right now im just at my apartment/bedroom, kinda boring(( the weather is nice outside but I know I need to rest my legs at least one day!! i really want to go out!! i really dont know how people can go through LL in an apartment by them self, it's driving me nuts!! and I don't even have frames on!! hahaha I know now why people go in depression cuz of this loneliness!!!!! Im in my apartment alone and it is killing me!!
my friends want me to go out but i need to rest my legs or I will never recover!!! i just need to rest and stretch all day.
I think it's also killing me the fact that the girl im in love with is gone!!! that thought is killing me inside!!(((((
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today I get my xray, first time post frames removal!)) i wonder what the difference will be, I think my bone has moved a little bit, my left leg i think is a little bowed((( but what the heck it is what it is...
here a video before I put my lifts away since they are not helping at all with my recovery and my walking, legs always hurt I think because of them, so here I am with same clothing from my lucky night and cartoonish way!)) hahaha I love that word cartoonish! hehe
http://youtu.be/W31GrQ6JTNI
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So doctor says, the consolidation is good, if Im going to walk for long distance I should use crutches, but at home I don't really need them. He said I might have muscle pain for up to 6 months, so we will see how it goes.
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today I get my xray, first time post frames removal!)) i wonder what the difference will be, I think my bone has moved a little bit, my left leg i think is a little bowed((( but what the heck it is what it is...
here a video before I put my lifts away since they are not helping at all with my recovery and my walking, legs always hurt I think because of them, so here I am with same clothing from my lucky night and cartoonish way!)) hahaha I love that word cartoonish! hehe
http://youtu.be/W31GrQ6JTNI
What do you mean by cartoonish look? I can't see anything wrong because I can't see your full body. you look fine in the picture, unless you're talking about your colorful clothes, lol.
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Lol idk I was called that by some people in the forums
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with my doctor, he standing at 179cms lol i think if I lengthen 5cms our arms will be at the same height lol or around there
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Did you get to see Michail Goldreyer (the very first cosmetic patient of the clinic)? He was 1.70 and now he is 1.76m. There's a video on YouTube where he seems to have recovered fully and even showed his scars and they are totally gone.
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Hey RGKEY, nice x-rays, hope you are enjoying life right now with your new height!
I have some questions for you if you have the time:
1. Im now in consolidation phase, so how important is it to wear the footholders when you arent lengthening anymore? I assume it still is important but maybe not as much? (considering i dont have any ballerina to begin with)
2. Also how important is it to keep your knees straightened in consolidation phase if you dont have knee bend? assuming you stretch every now and then as well? still important but not a big deal if you sleep some times with a pillow under them?
3. And finally, assuming you have walked a lot in lengthening phase, the pin bending should already have happened once you get to the consolidation phase. And most people claim there is a maximum ammount the pins can bend which varies from which device you use. My doctor told me i could lose 3 mm at most from pin bending as they are using a very hard steel material and thicker than average pins. However i have walked much, but very little without support, only standing straight every now and then and letting my legs bear my full weight. The doctor has told me that patients on average are able to walk without aid with the frames about 2 months after surgery.
So the question is, could i potentially lose even more height due to pin bending if i walk for longer without aid in consolidation phase, even if i already lost 3 mm in lengthening phase? assuming the maximum pin bend theory is true i shouldnt lose more. However you should know from experience, you stopped lengthening after about 5 months right? and after that you walked alot without aid and even with extra luggage to train. Did your pins keep bending long into the consolidation phase? or had you already gotten the maximum pin bending and turned the extra turns to make up for it and then you could walk freely without worrying about losing more?
sorry for the convoluted question but i wanted to make myself clear, thank you!
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Did you get to see Michail Goldreyer (the very first cosmetic patient of the clinic)? He was 1.70 and now he is 1.76m. There's a video on YouTube where he seems to have recovered fully and even showed his scars and they are totally gone.
Yes I saw him everyday. He is not a very charming person. But overall not bad either. He said he is now 174 he lost height due to aging I suppose. He is fine. He is fully recovered he said when he was younger he did sports and everything post op. He was a very active person. He is talks like a fking general, I didn't like him for a long time. But at the end he went with me to get mu visa fixed and he behaved like a good man. So at the end I was ok with him.
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Hey RGKEY, nice x-rays, hope you are enjoying life right now with your new height!
I have some questions for you if you have the time:
1. Im now in consolidation phase, so how important is it to wear the footholders when you arent lengthening anymore? I assume it still is important but maybe not as much? (considering i dont have any ballerina to begin with)
2. Also how important is it to keep your knees straightened in consolidation phase if you dont have knee bend? assuming you stretch every now and then as well? still important but not a big deal if you sleep some times with a pillow under them?
3. And finally, assuming you have walked a lot in lengthening phase, the pin bending should already have happened once you get to the consolidation phase. And most people claim there is a maximum ammount the pins can bend which varies from which device you use. My doctor told me i could lose 3 mm at most from pin bending as they are using a very hard steel material and thicker than average pins. However i have walked much, but very little without support, only standing straight every now and then and letting my legs bear my full weight. The doctor has told me that patients on average are able to walk without aid with the frames about 2 months after surgery.
So the question is, could i potentially lose even more height due to pin bending if i walk for longer without aid in consolidation phase, even if i already lost 3 mm in lengthening phase? assuming the maximum pin bend theory is true i shouldnt lose more. However you should know from experience, you stopped lengthening after about 5 months right? and after that you walked alot without aid and even with extra luggage to train. Did your pins keep bending long into the consolidation phase? or had you already gotten the maximum pin bending and turned the extra turns to make up for it and then you could walk freely without worrying about losing more?
sorry for the convoluted question but i wanted to make myself clear, thank you!
1)) it's important because your feet will want to go ballerina on you, try and sleep one day without then and see if you feel any difference, Im not supose to even recommend you this but i did this, and in the morning I felt how my feet were more sore than usual. So I kept using them, but im not gonna lie to you maybe 2 weeks before i got my last frame removed I stopped using them lol but by then I was almost running with my frame hehe. so i guess just see how you feel. if you see your feet are going down start wearing them asap. my doc says you must use them until you get your frames removes, because the pins will put extra tension on your muscles and pull your feet down. He is the doc so he definately knows more than u and me together and multi[ply by 10 lol
2) IMPORTANT, because there are 2 things, bone contraction and muscle contraption, so if you have no knee contraction u will still have some muscle contraction, so it is good to stretch no matter what, even now im stretching because my knee are not completely straight.
3)))during consolidation you shouldnt lose height only during lengthening. the pins are way too strong to keep bending, they might break but that's all. the pins my doct uses can bare 120 pounds just one, and i had 7 more, so thats a lot of weight, but your muscles plus weight plus movement will break them depending on how strong are your muscles. I broke 32 pins can u imagine, my doc says that is probably the record in the world lol and i think he is right haha
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1)) it's important because your feet will want to go ballerina on you, try and sleep one day without then and see if you feel any difference, Im not supose to even recommend you this but i did this, and in the morning I felt how my feet were more sore than usual. So I kept using them, but im not gonna lie to you maybe 2 weeks before i got my last frame removed I stopped using them lol but by then I was almost running with my frame hehe. so i guess just see how you feel. if you see your feet are going down start wearing them asap. my doc says you must use them until you get your frames removes, because the pins will put extra tension on your muscles and pull your feet down. He is the doc so he definately knows more than u and me together and multi[ply by 10 lol
2) IMPORTANT, because there are 2 things, bone contraction and muscle contraption, so if you have no knee contraction u will still have some muscle contraction, so it is good to stretch no matter what, even now im stretching because my knee are not completely straight.
3)))during consolidation you shouldnt lose height only during lengthening. the pins are way too strong to keep bending, they might break but that's all. the pins my doct uses can bare 120 pounds just one, and i had 7 more, so thats a lot of weight, but your muscles plus weight plus movement will break them depending on how strong are your muscles. I broke 32 pins can u imagine, my doc says that is probably the record in the world lol and i think he is right haha
Thank you bro! about question 3 though, what happens if you break a pin? can the other pins keep the bone in place until they replace the broken one or can that make you lose height? :p although my doctor said that the version of ilizarov i use have thicker pins that wont break but still its best i am prepared for it, i wont be able to replace it myself if it happens.
Also when you say you had 8 pins, is that the total ammount including the ones on the ankle ring? Because my frames have 12 pins each, and the ankle rings have 6 pins that are thinner than the 6 that are at the rings under the knee. Where your pins of different thicknesses or where they all the same size?
thank you again man!
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yeah your pins are huge!! my pins were very thin! I had 7 on each leg. many times I was walking with even 4 pins on one leg. The master Ilizarov said you only need 2 pins on the ankle and 2 near the knee. so it's all good. you have even thicker pins so don't worry about anything really.
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I would recommend you thou to lengthen at least .5cms more than you original goal because you never reallynknow how much the pins can bend. Even if he says 3mms max this is not an wxact science so I will go .5cms just to be on the safe side)))
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I would recommend you thou to lengthen at least .5cms more than you original goal because you never reallynknow how much the pins can bend. Even if he says 3mms max this is not an wxact science so I will go .5cms just to be on the safe side)))
thanks, yeah i think so too, but 2 mm more or less is no big deal for me :) im just confused as to wheter my pins have already bent their maximum, because i have been walking quite a lot overall, but still i used the walker for aid, so for the most part i didnt put full weight on the legs, but i tried to do that every once in a while.
Because if they are already bent, then i am satisfied with what i have now even if the x-ray shows i have only lengthened 3.5 or 3.7 cm, but if there will be more bending once i start walking more without using the walker in consolidation phase, then im worried i wont feel tall enough anymore. Id like to be at the height i am at currently.
The reason this is hard to confirm, is that if my own measurement of myself is correct, then very little pin bending seems to have happened since i am 178-179 right now. But also the spine height fluctuates so im not sure, and also since my weight is like 60 KG then maybe that isnt enough to get the pins to bend until i start walking fully without aid for long walks.
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Most likely they won't bend but it all depends on how is your consolidation too
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Most likely they won't bend but it all depends on how is your consolidation too
Yeah good point, maybe its safer to wait with walking long walks without aid until i have seen my x-rays. When my x-rays start showing good bone consolidation then both the bone and the pins will hold my weight, so with that combined it should not be able to bend.
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On the other side... if you don't put full weight on legs you consolidation will just take longer. So if that doesn't bother then fine I guess. But for the very little amount of lengthening u did. It shouldn't be so bad))
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with my doctor, he standing at 179cms lol i think if I lengthen 5cms our arms will be at the same height lol or around there
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Yup, that's why I think you're luckier than me ;D
Your body could really handle gain of 14-15cm without make you being out of proportion , you done 9cm.. so you still can do 5 more
off course this is just my opinion ;)
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I agree you could easily do 5 cm 8)
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Yes I dream of that. But right now I need to recover, this possibility looks very far away, I have very tight muscles and I struggle with walking. If one day I recover and I get the money I will do it. I spoke to my friend and we will do it together if we do it. It would be amazing to do it together!!)) Internal with a doctor in the US, he already met him and he said it's all good. Maybe one day!?)) I need to recover but I see very little progress. Some days I feel I get worse. Once im back I will be swimming very often.
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Yes of course, but whatever you do, you already acomplished something quite amazing -) because lengthening 9 cm on the tibia is a lot. You will probably recover in around a year/ a year and a half. Swimming is the best sport. Good recovery.
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On the other side... if you don't put full weight on legs you consolidation will just take longer. So if that doesn't bother then fine I guess. But for the very little amount of lengthening u did. It shouldn't be so bad))
damn.. yeah youre right.. but maybe since i have so many pins they are enough on their own to handle my full body weight for long walks, this week i tried to stand for long periods without aid so hopefully the pin bending is already at its maximum..
I want to be done as soon as possible and like you showed us, walking a lot increases consolidation a LOT, il have to do the same!
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Yes of course, but whatever you do, you already acomplished something quite amazing -) because lengthening 9 cm on the tibia is a lot. You will probably recover in around a year/ a year and a half. Swimming is the best sport. Good recovery.
Yes absolutely!))
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damn.. yeah youre right.. but maybe since i have so many pins they are enough on their own to handle my full body weight for long walks, this week i tried to stand for long periods without aid so hopefully the pin bending is already at its maximum..
I want to be done as soon as possible and like you showed us, walking a lot increases consolidation a LOT, il have to do the same!
Yes walk don't be afraid!!! You will not lose height. That's only fear talking, ive been there trust me!! Your pins will not bend if you are not lengthening!! They might break that's all. But u have so many pins. So you really don't needall of them lol so start walking. RRunning jumping...squatting etc!!)) Take advantage of the privilege of having Ilizarov, which is the allowance of full weight loading on your legs!!)) There are pros and cons with every device and this my friend is a big pro of Ilizarov frames))
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Yes I dream of that. But right now I need to recover, this possibility looks very far away, I have very tight muscles and I struggle with walking. If one day I recover and I get the money I will do it. I spoke to my friend and we will do it together if we do it. It would be amazing to do it together!!)) Internal with a doctor in the US, he already met him and he said it's all good. Maybe one day!?)) I need to recover but I see very little progress. Some days I feel I get worse. Once im back I will be swimming very often.
So RGKEY, are you beginning to regret lengthening 9cm on tibs? Like are you beginning to feel as if you might have pushed yourself a little too much? I'm getting very worried reading that you see the possibility of recovering very far :( What does this mean? Do you have too much pain in life now? Is it something you wished you had gotten over instead? I thought LL was going to help guys like us get over our fking insecurities :'( Not take the mental pain and turn it into physical anguish.
I honestly hope you recover well and this bloody limb lengthening practice gets refined with each surgery so we don't have to deal with all this extra pain and mental disturbance. Please keep updating how you are feeling and whether you are getting better. Why do you think this is happening to you btw? I mean shouldn't the body just get used to the new bone? :( How difficult can that be? :(
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So RGKEY, are you beginning to regret lengthening 9cm on tibs? Like are you beginning to feel as if you might have pushed yourself a little too much? I'm getting very worried reading that you see the possibility of recovering very far :( What does this mean? Do you have too much pain in life now? Is it something you wished you had gotten over instead? I thought LL was going to help guys like us get over our f**king insecurities :'( Not take the mental pain and turn it into physical anguish.
I honestly hope you recover well and this bloody limb lengthening practice gets refined with each surgery so we don't have to deal with all this extra pain and mental disturbance. Please keep updating how you are feeling and whether you are getting better. Why do you think this is happening to you btw? I mean shouldn't the body just get used to the new bone? :( How difficult can that be? :(
Hahaha!)) It is very amazing to me sometimes how I can come across to people. Hey I was probably joking, but I can tell you this, before doing LL I considered the possibility of being a handicap for the rest of my life so even if this happens how can I regret it if I knew with all my senses what I was doing))) I have pain on my muscles. Muscles do not have anything to do with bones (you are funny) it has to do with the amount of stretching. Thank you very much for your nice wishes)) I would do it all over again and again and again. Most amazing experience of my life so far, you have no idea!!!!)))))
I think I will recover, and everyone says so. But if I dont, well life is life))))
Btw, Im not the next Sweden lol and hopefully I don't become one!!! Feeling sorry for my self and how my life is misserable and blablabla... That's for pussys not for me my friend... life is beautiful and keeps moving in different directions)))
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Yes walk don't be afraid!!! You will not lose height. That's only fear talking, ive been there trust me!! Your pins will not bend if you are not lengthening!! They might break that's all. But u have so many pins. So you really don't needall of them lol so start walking. RRunning jumping...squatting etc!!)) Take advantage of the privilege of having Ilizarov, which is the allowance of full weight loading on your legs!!)) There are pros and cons with every device and this my friend is a big pro of Ilizarov frames))
Thank you for all the info man! I will walk as much as possible then ;)
Just one final question, when you say that the pins only bend during lengthening, is the reason for that because the soft tissue (muscles etc) are being stretched and the resistance from them causes the pins to bend? While in consolidation phase, they are no longer being pulled apart, so only the body weight are pressuring the pins, which they can handle.
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Hahaha!)) It is very amazing to me sometimes how I can come across to people. Hey I was probably joking, but I can tell you this, before doing LL I considered the possibility of being a handicap for the rest of my life so even if this happens how can I regret it if I knew with all my senses what I was doing))) I have pain on my muscles. Muscles do not have anything to do with bones (you are funny) it has to do with the amount of stretching. Thank you very much for your nice wishes)) I would do it all over again and again and again. Most amazing experience of my life so far, you have no idea!!!!)))))
I think I will recover, and everyone says so. But if I dont, well life is life))))
Btw, Im not the next Sweden lol and hopefully I don't become one!!! Feeling sorry for my self and how my life is misserable and blablabla... That's for pussys not for me my friend... life is beautiful and keeps moving in different directions)))
You're a much stronger person that me. I don't think i'm ready to face the possibility of being a handicap yet, which is why limb lengthening surgery for me is still something which i'm a bit too immature for. Hopefully in the coming years i will gain that confidence and understand the importance of looking at all the possible outcomes. I just really hope you recover because then there will be solid proof that people are coming out of this better than how they started.
Yea i understand Sweden and his point of view but i do feel happy that you have taken a very optimistic take on your surgery and it's outcomes, however good/bad they be. Do keep updating us on how you are doing and how your muscles and legs are taking this new growth. Sorry about the the bones comment xD :P I just hope your legs adjust as do your muscles. Take care bro. :)
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Thank you for all the info man! I will walk as much as possible then ;)
Just one final question, when you say that the pins only bend during lengthening, is the reason for that because the soft tissue (muscles etc) are being stretched and the resistance from them causes the pins to bend? While in consolidation phase, they are no longer being pulled apart, so only the body weight are pressuring the pins, which they can handle.
Yes your assumption is correct))
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You're a much stronger person that me. I don't think i'm ready to face the possibility of being a handicap yet, which is why limb lengthening surgery for me is still something which i'm a bit too immature for. Hopefully in the coming years i will gain that confidence and understand the importance of looking at all the possible outcomes. I just really hope you recover because then there will be solid proof that people are coming out of this better than how they started.
Yea i understand Sweden and his point of view but i do feel happy that you have taken a very optimistic take on your surgery and it's outcomes, however good/bad they be. Do keep updating us on how you are doing and how your muscles and legs are taking this new growth. Sorry about the the bones comment xD :P I just hope your legs adjust as do your muscles. Take care bro. :)
Now im at the airport and let me tell you... flying handicap is the fking !!! VIP treatment!!! Now I have my own room tv internet and a bed.... !! I will start flying with my crutches!! They really pamper you!!! So so far there is a good thing to be a handicap!!)) Thanx man I hope I recover too. Ill try to keep everyone upadated)))
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Hey man. Have a good trip and a happy reunion with your family!
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Thanx brother))
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RGKEY, great great post, can you put a picture, to you in under wears, with out shirt, only for look your proportions, torso, legs, tibia femur,
Thanks
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RGKEY, great great post, can you put a picture, to you in under wears, with out shirt, only for look your proportions, torso, legs, tibia femur,
Thanks
maybe.... i really try to avoid even me looking at my self without a shirt, it discourages me when I see how much fat there is in my body((( but soon I will get in better shape and I will post some, keep in tune))
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well man , try to go to the gym and do a low carb diet
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well man , try to go to the gym and do a low carb diet
yeah very hard now living with my mom lol
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you can do some cardio having sex with girls , its the best way to burn fat hahaha
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you can do some cardio having sex with girls , its the best way to burn fat hahaha
well, that is going to be hard since im at my mamas house now(((((
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Regarding flying handicapped, how does one sort this out? With the airline? If so, how?
Is there a special area at the airport that you need to go to or how does it work?
Could you tell us about your experience flying handicapped? Really worried about doing this since I've never done it before
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Regarding flying handicapped, how does one sort this out? With the airline? If so, how?
Is there a special area at the airport that you need to go to or how does it work?
Could you tell us about your experience flying handicapped? Really worried about doing this since I've never done it before
Is very easy!)) You just go to the counter and tell the person that you need handicap assistance. I was lucky because my friend took me to the airport and she arranged everything for me))) and let me tell you specially is u travel international. Handicap is the best! They take u everywhere, no waitting for lines etc....its cool)))
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Hey RG, how is your mom's reaction to you being so much taller? :P
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Hey RG, how is your mom's reaction to you being so much taller? :P
oh that was amazing!! she seemed so much smaller!! hahaha
and she said, wow,, just wow,, i cant believe it (of course in spanish) she said I really look like a tall man, she said I look even taller and lighter than when I was using my lifts, she said my legs look thinner and I look way better, but you know moms are moms so I dont know how much to believe hehehe))), but she said I look great! I really look taller and lighter, because when I used my huge lifts it made me look kinda heavy i guess)))
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Some interesting pictures:::
Im wearing lifts here, see how my knee is very high comparing to my date)) and our sitting height is almost the same, but when we stand Im way taller than she is lol
(http://i.imgur.com/Mp9kLL6l.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/MeYXk3Bl.jpg)
in this picture, both girls I think have higher sitting height than me, the one on my left is 167ish and the other one 172.
(http://i.imgur.com/9v6a1qHl.jpg)
this is to show all people I meet are blind!!! hahaha, this one I met with my big lifts, I was around 177.5 cms, we sit we talked we kissed, etc, then we went to my apartment and sealed the deal))) I took off my shoes and still she never noticed neither my height difference after taking my shoes off or my disproportions!! hahaha
someone from these forums might say"I think all people you meet are completely blind lol"
do you see my boots behind her!!??? lol
(http://i.imgur.com/vg8WbVzl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Z3JYWGtl.jpg)
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We may disagree about proportions and importance of sitting height but you went crazy with those sluts.
Big thumbs UP RGKEY!!!
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That's it, im doing my LL in Russia :D
Wats your sitting height RG?
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We may disagree about proportions and importance of sitting height but you went crazy with those sluts.
Big thumbs UP RGKEY!!!
lol well i dont think they are sluts, people are just people, people want to eat, love, sex, etc...on the other hand IM THE ONLY THE BIG SLUT HERE))) all girls I meet and take home are amazing and I respect them a lot))
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That's it, im doing my LL in Russia :D
Wats your sitting height RG?
I don't know man (((
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lol well i dont think they are sluts, people are just people, people want to eat, love, sex, etc...on the other hand IM THE ONLY THE BIG SLUT HERE))) all girls I meet and take home are amazing and I respect them a lot))
Na man girls who have sex with a guy they have just met are sluts. I'm sure you respect them... just not enough to marry them lol
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Na man girls who have sex with a guy they have just met are sluts. I'm sure you respect them... just not enough to marry them lol
sure.. ok lol but what does that say about me?? i guess i'm definitely the biggest slut))) lol plus I don't think every guy can pull this off as I do, it took me years of training lol
actually let me break news, most people are sluts for the most part)) men and women)) and there is really nothing wrong about that, at least not for me))) but people don't want to be called or feel like sluts, because it is not socially accepted, that is why people try not be sluts, but deep inside most people are. But then when you meet people like me or others who can frame you into feeling that is ok to be who you are without judging you then you be who you are. Slut not slut it doesnt matter.
and marriage!? haha wtf!!? that is a ufcked up subject haha,,, i will marry someone not because I respect her or admire her or think she is amazing, i will do it because I will connect with her very deeply and i will want to marry her without reasons why!))
what can I say Im a romantic type)))
but I hope that my future wife was a huge slut before she marry me!! i really mean it!)) experience is priceless)))) i rather marry a girl who has fool around with 20 guys than a girl who had only 2 or 3 guys in her life.
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I will say there are 3 main factors why RgKey is doing so well with women there, from having been to Russia and knowing a bit about the situation there.
1. Rgkey is a pimp, without a doubt he has social skills and some very good qualities for these hot women to like him that easily.
2. It IS however easier to score for a guy in Russia, especially if you are foreign. Mainly because local men in Russia in general dont make as much an effort on themselves to look good and treat women as good compared to most european countries, many local russian men are drunks from what i hear. I think there are a big ratio difference in terms of women and men there as well, with men being significantly outnumbered by the women (not sure how accurate that is), this would make it logical why russian women on average are so hot because they have to work hard and compete over the low supply of men, while the men in return wont have to compete as much over the large selection of women.
3. Finally women in Russia have a more old school mentality, find a good man with good qualities, they are not brainwashed by the feminist agenda like most of western europe has been. (not saying all western european women are feminists, but many of them have been deluded and gained a sense of entitlement that is very unhealthy in the long run), essentially, Russian women will be less picky compared to western european women on average.
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sure.. ok lol but what does that say about me?? i guess i'm definitely the biggest slut))) lol plus I don't think every guy can pull this off as I do, it took me years of training lol
actually let me break news, most people are sluts for the most part)) men and women)) and there is really nothing wrong about that, at least not for me))) but people don't want to be called or feel like sluts, because it is not socially accepted, that is why people try not be sluts, but deep inside most people are. But then when you meet people like me or others who can frame you into feeling that is ok to be who you are without judging you then you be who you are. Slut not slut it doesnt matter.
and marriage!? haha wtf!!? that is a ufcked up subject haha,,, i will marry someone not because I respect her or admire her or think she is amazing, i will do it because I will connect with her very deeply and i will want to marry her without reasons why!))
what can I say Im a romantic type)))
but I hope that my future wife was a huge slut before she marry me!! i really mean it!)) experience is priceless)))) i rather marry a girl who has fool around with 20 guys than a girl who had only 2 or 3 guys in her life.
Ohhh man how can you think like that ! It´s soo cool :D
You want your wife to fked a lot of guys before :0 dont you get jealous? XD
It´s so cool, i really want to think like you do man. I really hate when i get jealous >:(
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Hehehe....
Well let me just say thou, back here in the US I was getting the same quality of women as in russia. Only difference is that I love Russian women!!!! They are the best women in the world for me of course. They have this mixture of classy, modern and passionte that I love. I just love russian women that is why i can connect very deeply with them and relate as well. Being a foreigner I think it always help, however they always make jokes and even racial jokes about other people from different countries and cultures, even with me hehehe they are very close to their own russian culture and language. Btw, russian man dress also well and take care of them self, not everyone is a drunk lol that is just a stereotype. But i think russian men have the best game in the world, they are none apologetic they are direct and not needy, and that my friends is a very atractive quality for women everywhere. Russia women always dress nice and take care of them self because that is very important for them for many reasons. The ratio, well, I think is same between men and women but i can surely say that there are more pretty women than not pretty ones. So if you stop at a traffic light and wait for people to cross, you will see from all the girls 20-30 years old at the very least 30% of them are beautiful which i think is really impressive i dont even see that in New York. Girls in russia are definitely old fashion, they will pamper you offer you tea cook for you do a lot of for you if they like you, there is nothing more sexy than a hot girl who pampers her man!!! More likely my wife will be Russian lol there is a lot of foreigner here and I dont see them hanging out with the type of women I do thou)))) Many russian men when they see me with girls I can feel how they want to beat the hell out of me hahaha lol and the hotter the girls are the meaner looks I get from men. If you guys think Russian women are easy then go there and try for your self, good luck)))))
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Ohhh man how can you think like that ! It´s soo cool :D
You want your wife to f**ked a lot of guys before :0 dont you get jealous? XD
It´s so cool, i really want to think like you do man. I really hate when i get jealous >:(
I get you man!) I use to be like you my friend until i realized that that was very stupid and it was a.feeling coming from my own insecurities and needeness. After i started having a lot of women in my life I stopped feeling like this. Because i realized that there are so many amazing women out there. I guess I started giving more value to my self. Also I realized from my own experience that when a person has a lot of sexual and love experience they are closer to know who they really are and you can trust them more. Before I had all the experiences I had I wouldn't trust my self hehehe but now I do so I use this same mentality when I value women. The sluter they were the more value they get in the present moment lol I was a super slut and still are but I know if I get in a serious relationship my girl will be a very lucky and happy woman)))
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Hehehe....
Well let me just say thou, back here in the US I was getting the same quality of women as in russia. Only difference is that I love Russian women!!!! They are the best women in the world for me of course. They have this mixture of classy, modern and passionte that I love. I just love russian women that is why i can connect very deeply with them and relate as well. Being a foreigner I think it always help, however they always make jokes and even racial jokes about other people from different countries and cultures, even with me hehehe they are very close to their own russian culture and language. Btw, russian man dress also well and take care of them self, not everyone is a drunk lol that is just a stereotype. But i think russian men have the best game in the world, they are none apologetic they are direct and not needy, and that my friends is a very atractive quality for women everywhere. Russia women always dress nice and take care of them self because that is very important for them for many reasons. The ratio, well, I think is same between men and women but i can surely say that there are more pretty women than not pretty ones. So if you stop at a traffic light and wait for people to cross, you will see from all the girls 20-30 years old at the very least 30% of them are beautiful which i think is really impressive i dont even see that in New York. Girls in russia are definitely old fashion, they will pamper you offer you tea cook for you do a lot of s**t for you if they like you, there is nothing more sexy than a hot girl who pampers her man!!! More likely my wife will be Russian lol there is a lot of foreigner here and I dont see them hanging out with the type of women I do thou)))) Many russian men when they see me with girls I can feel how they want to beat the hell out of me hahaha lol and the hotter the girls are the meaner looks I get from men. If you guys think Russian women are easy then go there and try for your self, good luck)))))
Well im sure you got attractive women in US as well, but it wasnt as easy as it was in Russia dont you think? or maybe there was no difference for you :P
I got some high quality women here in Sweden too, but i doesnt happen as often as i would like it too lol. My opinion of russian women came from what i have heard other people traveling there say, as well as reading on Pick up artist forums. And for me personally when i was at the clinic, some of the nurses where quite flirty with me as well, plenty times waving at me and smiling and laughing and talking to each other in russian while giggling. Of course i didnt do anything about it just smiled back. And of course i got a very good connection with the girl there who i talked the most too with my translator app, Anya, we got quite close. But i prefer to not get to attached to people who have knowledge of this part of my life :(
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Well im sure you got attractive women in US as well, but it wasnt as easy as it was in Russia dont you think? or maybe there was no difference for you :P
I got some high quality women here in Sweden too, but i doesnt happen as often as i would like it too lol. My opinion of russian women came from what i have heard other people traveling there say, as well as reading on Pick up artist forums. And for me personally when i was at the clinic, some of the nurses where quite flirty with me as well, plenty times waving at me and smiling and laughing and talking to each other in russian while giggling. Of course i didnt do anything about it just smiled back. And of course i got a very good connection with the girl there who i talked the most too with my translator app, Anya, we got quite close. But i prefer to not get to attached to people who have knowledge of this part of my life :(
For me it was the same, only differences in the US is not so easy to find beautiful women on a Tuesday morning lol as it is in Russia!))) Remember being from a different part of the world is already attractive. It is definitely a good thing to start an interaction. Sweden uh!? I think Swedish girls are really pretty probably the most beautiful and from my experience they can be very easy (meaning I dont need to work so hard to get them in bed) im just talking from swedish girls I have met in new york. Again the fact that im not white and from a different part of the world is already attractive in a subsconcient level of course)) Even if a girl smiles at me it does not me she will fk me or even go in a date with me or even like me, it only means she is fine with my presence and open for interaction))) and on the other hand if a girl does not smile at me back it does not mean she doesnt like me at all either)))
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For me it was the same, only differences in the US is not so easy to find beautiful women on a Tuesday morning lol as it is in Russia!))) Remember being from a different part of the world is already attractive. It is definitely a good thing to start an interaction. Sweden uh!? I think Swedish girls are really pretty probably the most beautiful and from my experience they can be very easy (meaning I dont need to work so hard to get them in bed) im just talking from swedish girls I have met in new york. Again the fact that im not white and from a different part of the world is already attractive in a subsconcient level of course)) Even if a girl smiles at me it does not me she will f**k me or even go in a date with me or even like me, it only means she is fine with my presence and open for interaction))) and on the other hand if a girl does not smile at me back it does not mean she doesnt like me at all either)))
You are latin american right? i think you look semi-white in your pictures :)
And swedish girls can be easy, as long as you fulfil all the physical demands which can be very high for even the semi attractive girls. Swedish girls abroad i guess are even more easy than they are in their home country, because when they are in a different country they can have fun and dont worry about their reputation which is important back home. :P
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Swedish girls abroad i guess are even more easy than they are in their home country, because when they are in a different country they can have fun and dont worry about their reputation which is important back home. :P
yes I agree!) not only swedish thou everyone, including men)))
and even me when I was in Russia i did s**t that I would think twice to do in NY and it has to do a lot with what you said)))
btw, yes I am, and Im pretty brown, well depending on how white you are, but in russia everyone knew I was a foreigner just by looking at me. They just couldn't tell where I was from.
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yes I agree!) not only swedish thou everyone, including men)))
and even me when I was in Russia i did s**t that I would think twice to do in NY and it has to do a lot with what you said)))
btw, yes I am, and Im pretty brown, well depending on how white you are, but in russia everyone knew I was a foreigner just by looking at me. They just couldn't tell where I was from.
yeah thats true, everyone gets more freaky abroads 8)
im gonna take a wild guess and say you are chilean? either that or mexican ;D
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yeah thats true, everyone gets more freaky abroads 8)
im gonna take a wild guess and say you are chilean? either that or mexican ;D
haha close, im Peruvian
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haha close, im Peruvian
ah dammit :P well we have a lot of chileans here in Sweden, and quite a few peruvians as well actually, although from my experience peruvians tend to be darker, you say you are quite brown but in your pictures you look quite a bit lighter than the peruvians that i know. also peruvians imo tend to look more native american while chileans look more spanish influenced.
But of course there will be plenty of skin color variation in each country
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WanabeG can I immigrate to sweden? Im from morroco
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WanabeG can I immigrate to sweden? Im from morroco
Nope, sorry! We're full. :-\
What's wrong with your own country?
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Nope, sorry! We're full. :-\
What's wrong with your own country?
Dude seriously why would you go to Sweden... it's freezing there, and Morocco is not that bad, is it ?
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at least he would have opportunity for good job, and there is no way you could compare between these two countries
sorry rgkey for my unrelated post
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This is funny, gossiping about girls and how easy it is to score with said girls on a limb lengthening forum. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Lol
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All your comments amuse me so thanx!!)))
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Do you have knee pain like a lot of people have been complaining about?
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No knee pain. Muscle pain and tightness
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Hey RGKEY
just wondering how long it took after the day of your surgery until you could walk without aid? I mean i have been trying these past days after my knee bend problem (from the infection) was gone, but my balance is still pretty bad, and when im standing on one leg to move the other to walk it still feels like the pressure on my knee on the leg which i am standing on (close to where the pins are) gets to heavy.
it doesnt hurt but feels a bit sore and sensitive when the pressure gets high enough.
im 2 months post op now, so im wondering if i should be able to walk now. Although regardless i feel lots of improvement in my legs since i slowed down lengthening to 0.25 a day, so maybe il soon be able to walk.
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Hey RGKEY
just wondering how long it took after the day of your surgery until you could walk without aid? I mean i have been trying these past days after my knee bend problem (from the infection) was gone, but my balance is still pretty bad, and when im standing on one leg to move the other to walk it still feels like the pressure on my knee on the leg which i am standing on (close to where the pins are) gets to heavy.
it doesnt hurt but feels a bit sore and sensitive when the pressure gets high enough.
im 2 months post op now, so im wondering if i should be able to walk now. Although regardless i feel lots of improvement in my legs since i slowed down lengthening to 0.25 a day, so maybe il soon be able to walk.
For me it was a little different than usual. I btoke many pins, but I remember 7 days post op I was walking without crutches. Usually people start walking without help 2weeks or 1 month post lengthening. One guy here walked without any help 1 month post operation even when he was lengthening he was walking without crutches. So it all depends on how you feel. All the depends on the pain you have and if you how much you can take. I was permanently walking without crutches about a month and a half after I stopped lengthening. You lengthened not so much so you will be walking without help very soon!!
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For me it was a little different than usual. I btoke many pins, but I remember 7 days post op I was walking without crutches. Usually people start walking without help 2weeks or 1 month post lengthening. One guy here walked without any help 1 month post operation even when he was lengthening he was walking without crutches. So it all depends on how you feel. All the depends on the pain you have and if you how much you can take. I was permanently walking without crutches about a month and a half after I stopped lengthening. You lengthened not so much so you will be walking without help very soon!!
wow that sounds crazy being able to walk 7 days post-op. But maybe with painkillers as well as the fact that its probably easier to keep balance with those large ilizarov frames. Also if you start trying early i guess you dont "forget" how to walk properly like it feels like we do when we use aid for several months.
okey thanks for the info :) i guess it will be walking without aid soon then, i dont have any pain really, although my knees are a bit sore and it feels scary to put to much pressure there as of now, need to work on my balance as well.
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if you dont really have pain while walking, you should be trying really hard walking without any help!)) Im sure you will soon)) yeah you need to get your balance back, just try to walk without crutches maybe use the walls, use one crutch. it seem very difficult but If you have no major pain you should be able to do it)) just try))
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if you dont really have pain while walking, you should be trying really hard walking without any help!)) Im sure you will soon)) yeah you need to get your balance back, just try to walk without crutches maybe use the walls, use one crutch. it seem very difficult but If you have no major pain you should be able to do it)) just try))
yeah i think the problem is my Osgood-Schlatters disease which i had on my left knee when i was younger. I still have a piece of cartilage below the knee from that illness, its really close to the pins. So it hurts a little bit there but mostly its just sore and sensitive. If it wasnt for that i would dare to try already, im not sure how to deal with that problem really, maybe i just have to suck it up and walk anyway because that "pain" is not related to my lengthening at least.
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Now that youbmention that.. be careful please! Ask your doctor first!!
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Now that youbmention that.. be careful please! Ask your doctor first!!
i dont think its a problem when it comes to my leg lenghtening itself and the healing process, i just think it might prevent me from walking properly for as long as i have the frames :-\ but im not sure maybe it adapts and becomes less sensitive with time.
the disease i had is common for young boys who train sports, and its not uncommon for a piece of cartilage to remain below the knee long after the disease is gone. This causes sensitivity and can be a hindrance with some fast movements when doing sports, and also it kind of makes it hard to sit on the knees.
It can be removed easily after you have stopped growing, but i forgot about it since i had quit sports by that time. Now it might become a pain in the ass for this LL process..
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sounds good man, but it wouldn't hurt to consult with your doctor)))
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So quick update::::
legs are slowly getting better, very very f**king slow!!!!! specially my left leg is very stiff and in pain when I walk. I can't walk as I use to. My walking is still bad specially after long walks. Most of the time I use one crutch.
Im living with my mom!! the days go by very f**king slow!!!! I don't have a car anymore so I depend on my sister and mother to give rides!!! and where I live now if I want to go anywhere I must have a car!!!! I wouldnt say my life sucks at all but, from seen people every day, girls and socializing 24/7 to this loneliness!! ahhh it is so f**king difficult to adapt!!!
Im still talking to me "kinda girlfriend from russia" we might meet or not, but Im afraid Im still in contact with her because I have no more beautiful girls around me anymore. So in this sense my life sucks!!
Americans are fat!!! WTF!!!!
Since I got here I realized so many people are f**king fat!!! and I thought I was fat!!! since I got here iv'e seen only 1 or 2 nice girls I need to go out!!! but right now my mobility is so limited. Right now I feel like I want to cry!!! I was the f**king man in Russia!! and here I just have the love of my mother and sister but that's it. I still don't want to see my friends because my walking sucks. I saw 3 friends from work, one told me right away, "you are taller!" hahaha I said really? you are probably shorter and that was it))))
i started going to the gym, feeling better about this. I have a lot to improve body and health wise!!!!!
my left leg is bowed!! I don't like it!!! it is very noticeable! but maybe if I start building some muscles it won't be as bad. But if not, I don't know maybe a good excuse to go to Russia again!!)))) I really want that!!
Im broke as hell but Im taller and I can move around, hopefully I'll get back to normal walking soon. I crave at least this for now so I can socialize again. I don't know why but I feel shy now, introverted!! agrrr!!! In Russia even with frames I was the f**king man!! and now I get so self conscious because of my funny walking. My adaptation to my American life is very very depressing!!
I really don't know how you guys do the hole lengthening alone!!!! that is like suicidal!!!! it is f**king crazy I would shoot my self!!!!!
I was thinking of doing my femurs but just to think that if I do internals I will be alone and s**t there is no way I would waste my life like that!!!!! Maybe I go to germany or something if I can save money.
I feel like there is a hole in my heart, and I feel very similar to when I broke up with my last ex girlfriend!! it is terrible. But the good news is that every time I go through this feelings I come out even stronger and happier than before.
So I can use some love even from you guys ! lol
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We love you RGKEY! ;D
This is just a phase and it will pass. You're recovering by the sound of it, and you'll eventually be walking like your normal self. And pimpin' on girls just like in Russia.
Stay strong!!
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I hope you are right my friend thanx!!!!
All I have now to amuse my self is a tv, computer and masturbation!! this is so bad!!((((
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I hope you are right my friend thanx!!!!
All I have now to amuse my self is a tv, computer and masturbation!! this is so bad!!((((
Get some crutches or wheelchair or anything to be more mobile!
You're not a bed dweller, you're a social creature. Be the RGKEY you are, nothing has changed :)
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Get some crutches or wheelchair or anything to be more mobile!
You're not a bed dweller, you're a social creature. Be the RGKEY you are, nothing has changed :)
Ahh!) I love you man!) Thank u!
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You are taller and you made it i would literally kill to be where you are now.
I have 0 dollars at the moment. Now that is depressing.
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Yes you are right. Unfortunately comparing my self with worse cases does not make me feel any better. It actually make things worse for being so stupid and not appreciate what I got now(((( feelings is a hard thing to control. But im optimistic all will pass))
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vizualize how you want to look and what you want your lifestyle to be. that motivates me beyond getting the hottest girl or all the money in the world.
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So what bother you most, being away from all Russian girls, or the difficulty of walking for long distance ..? ??? :D
it seems you have to go back to Russia, ,,,,to correct the bow legs of course.. ;)
no need to tell you be strong, cuz you're Rgkey you're always gonna be strong ..
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So what bother you most, being away from all Russian girls, or the difficulty of walking for long distance ..? ??? :D
it seems you have to go back to Russia, ,,,,to correct the bow legs of course.. ;)
no need to tell you be strong, cuz you're Rgkey you're always gonna be strong ..
Thank you Diso)) I miss my social life in Russia!)) I feel so fking lonely here!!!
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Your photo gallery blew my mind. Those girls were WOW (they should be an advertising point for LL there. Kissing and cooking errry day!). And your before/after weight loss photos were WOW. Great for you man. You put in some serious work!
I'm not nearly as brave as you to try 9 CM. I was thinking more of 5-6. Did you see anyone there who was walking fine relatively quickly after 6 CM? I read your friend did 6 CM. Because of my lifestyle, I would have to have normal walking potential by about month 5 or 6. Would that be possible with this external method?
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Your photo gallery blew my mind. Those girls were WOW (they should be an advertising point for LL there. Kissing and cooking errry day!). And your before/after weight loss photos were WOW. Great for you man. You put in some serious work!
I'm not nearly as brave as you to try 9 CM. I was thinking more of 5-6. Did you see anyone there who was walking fine relatively quickly after 6 CM? I read your friend did 6 CM. Because of my lifestyle, I would have to have normal walking potential by about month 5 or 6. Would that be possible with this external method?
It is possible)) but there no guarantees)) 5 or 6 is much better than 9 for recovery.
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Enough feeling down))) stop feeling pity for my self!))
Finally feeling good, my left leg still bothers me, I use one crutch to walk. I could walk without but my doc told me to use a crutch if I have muscle pain. I started working out, I've lost 4 pounds already)) happy about that, im 164 pounds now, im planning to get cut!! all the way baby!! maybe another 20 pounds and then just getting pure muscle!)) that thought excites me every day.
I walk every other day to the gym which is about 10 minutes walk each way)))
Yesterday I was in the mall and honestly I didn't see the majority being taller than me! that was a good feeling, even when I was walking with my crutch lol I guess in Russia people are huge lol But here not many tall people.
(http://i.imgur.com/33OHZ0tl.jpg)
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What state do you live in? I am the same height as you and people in the South are so huge. I know back west they were more around my size tho.
You lookin mighty fine.
Do you feel most comfortable in jeans? Why not some loose sweatpants that allow more ROM?
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He sure does ^ - He looks really good proportions wise. Can someone tell me why RGKEY is only having pain in his left leg? Or may you tell me please RGKEY? I think i might have missed it? :O
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What state do you live in? I am the same height as you and people in the South are so huge. I know back west they were more around my size tho.
You lookin mighty fine.
Do you feel most comfortable in jeans? Why not some loose sweatpants that allow more ROM?
I live in NY west suburbs. Thanx man)) yeah this jeans are pretty comfortable plus I don't do any legs workout only my upper body so no need really for anything else.
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He sure does ^ - He looks really good proportions wise. Can someone tell me why RGKEY is only having pain in his left leg? Or may you tell me please RGKEY? I think i might have missed it? :O
Haha I like how you said I look good proportions wise, only that??)) Lol no, I know I have a lot to work on, I have a big room for improvement)))
My left leg, I don't really know man, all I can say is that is part of yhe game, or like Russians say "it's notmal" I think is maybe my bone moved a little b and so my muscles. But I spoke yo another ex patient who did 9cm and he yoldme he use to have weird pains for a while, someyimes left sometimes right, one day yes one day no, on and off for awhile so I just take it day by day and hhopefully one day ill be back to normal)))
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Good for you.. but don’t bush yourself so hard..
You don’t seem that you have fat, maybe 8-10% which is acceptable, What is your body fat %?
Try swimming, beside it helps to tone your muscles, it’s a very good mood booster..
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Well actually you look really good all around. Your Tibiae don't look too long, nor your knee caps too high. You are lucky to have a naturally long torso, it could just be that you have a nicely built chest with a slim waist which gives off this impression but kudos nevertheless :D
Oh i see! Well the good thing is that as it has only happened to one leg, it's not something like the body rejecting the growth or etc, it's probably just misalignment which I'm sure can be fixed in the long run. As Diso has mentioned, i too would recommend swimming as it will helo you tone up everywhere. Take care bro!
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Good for you.. but don’t bush yourself so hard..
You don’t seem that you have fat, maybe 8-10% which is acceptable, What is your body fat %?
Try swimming, beside it helps to tone your muscles, it’s a very good mood booster..
thanx Diso!) I still have a lot of fat!! specially on my belly! but i have very wide chest and shoulders that's why when I wear clothes it's hard to see. My body fat I think maybe 50% lol
right behind me there is swimming pool which im planning to use as soon as it's open!)) next weekend.
yes you are right, my doctor told me I could swim 24 hours a day if I want!)))
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Well actually you look really good all around. Your Tibiae don't look too long, nor your knee caps too high. You are lucky to have a naturally long torso, it could just be that you have a nicely built chest with a slim waist which gives off this impression but kudos nevertheless :D
Oh i see! Well the good thing is that as it has only happened to one leg, it's not something like the body rejecting the growth or etc, it's probably just misalignment which I'm sure can be fixed in the long run. As Diso has mentioned, i too would recommend swimming as it will helo you tone up everywhere. Take care bro!
Thanx man!)) Yes, I think despite the fact that I was born really short, I was lucky my torso seems wide and much bigger than my legs))) Yeah, If my misaligment does not improve with muscle gain then I might do a correction later. But today my sister told me my leg looks much better not so much misaligned. Yeah I cant wait to start swimming
thank you brother!!))
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Actually my mom and sister told me that before my LL operation I didn't look proportional at all, my legs looked very short, and even now they told me my legs don't look long at all, I just look normal)) hahaha I guess this is a good thing.
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Me walking 1 month post my first frame was removed, my left leg as I said is bowed, and my bad walking makes it look kinda bad, but is not so so bad. Maybe Ill fix it later on)) Now I see my vid and I definitely look slimmer!! Im glad)) I think in another month I should be walking normal!))
http://youtu.be/epzhaJ2VEXg
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Your walking look good and I'm sure it will improve over the next few months. One small thing is you seem unbalanced and swaying a little side to side.
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Your walking look good and I'm sure it will improve over the next few months. One small thing is you seem unbalanced and swaying a little side to side.
yeah, hopefully when the pain will vanish so my strange walking))
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Me walking 1 month post my first frame was removed, my left leg as I said is bowed, and my bad walking makes it look kinda bad, but is not so so bad. Maybe Ill fix it later on)) Now I see my vid and I definitely look slimmer!! Im glad)) I think in another month I should be walking normal!))
http://youtu.be/epzhaJ2VEXg
From all the videos i seen of u, that's clearly the best one^^
There's only a little issue when're walking on the left side, as if the leg was shorter or sthg like but i'm sure u can improve that.
Also gz on your flexibility, i can put my fingers on the ground too, but not the hands yet.
Keep the gj!
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Really good walking of course it will be better next month
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im that bowed legged and i have not even done the surgery. wtf?
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From all the videos i seen of u, that's clearly the best one^^
There's only a little issue when're walking on the left side, as if the leg was shorter or sthg like but i'm sure u can improve that.
Also gz on your flexibility, i can put my fingers on the ground too, but not the hands yet.
Keep the gj!
thanx!) i think so.. yeah I was very flexible before LL, Im a black belt in Judo so Im glad my flexibility is back)) Even im impressed the fact that I can touch the floor like that after 9cm lengthening!!! crazy!
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Pretty tall__ thanx man! Ill make another vid in a month or before if I see my walking improves considerably.
Slim_tim__ hehe, well I had bowed legs before surgery too, so I think now my right leg is good but my left is bowed as it was before, i fked it up!! for walking without crutches when I wasnt supose to(((( so always listen to your doctors!
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RG, do you think if you had stayed in the frame another monther your leg would not bow?
On a side note, I'll be in NY in about a month at JFK for 8 hours standby for an international flight. I wanted to try a Chinese food place called Xi'an famous foods. Their hand pulled noodles with lamb meat sounds so damn good. Ever heard of it or been there?
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RG, do you think if you had stayed in the frame another monther your leg would not bow?
On a side note, I'll be in NY in about a month at JFK for 8 hours standby for an international flight. I wanted to try a Chinese food place called Xi'an famous foods. Their hand pulled noodles with lamb meat sounds so damn good. Ever heard of it or been there?
mmm Xian? no but I love chinese food)))
yes if I had the frames longer I wuldnt have this problem, or even if i had folled the doctors recommendations I wouldnt have this problem
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My walking is improving very slowly but it is improving... so this are good news))
the Pain on my left leg is still bad when I walk for long or when I sit for a long time and I stand up rapidly. My bowed left leg sucks!! I hope it will look at least a little better when I will start working out my legs, they are so skinny!! hahaha My right leg is fking perfect other than the enormous scars, my right leg is fking beautiful, but my left looks weird hehehe...im laughing at my self here. Anyway, could be worse! soon enough i will do something about my scars. First I might go back to Russia!! fk!! it's a curse... anyway im deeply in love with this girl from there, i thought I could forget her but i can't!! i hate being in love!! is the worse ever and especially when there is so much distance between us!!! my game now sucks, when i get all needy and in love i lose all my powers!!! no why!! why!!?? seriously I hate this feeling of needing someone or having so much desire for just one fking person!! i thought i was cured after so many bad experiences but I guess im not!((( Anyway here is a picture and a video. Ive been swimming now and somehow I feel i can swim better, maybe because of longer legs..?? IDK
(http://i.imgur.com/OfudmUql.jpg)
http://youtu.be/MPLO7L1wlAg
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Looking good RGKEY!!
I can see that your leg is bowed a little but I don't know if most people would even notice it.
Can you run at all?
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your right leg looks awesome...How u will fix ur left leg?
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Could that bowed leg have been fixed or avoided when you still had the frames on?
How did it happen exactly?
Are your scars any different now than what they looked like in April? Have you spoken to anyone regarding scar removals? Are they smooth or bumpy?
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Looking good RGKEY!!
I can see that your leg is bowed a little but I don't know if most people would even notice it.
Can you run at all?
No I can not run... I can barely walk lol
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your right leg looks awesome...How u will fix ur left leg?
That is a good question... maybe another surgery lol....my legs are very skiny so i think this is why is more noticeable. Ill wait to revover completely and see
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Could that bowed leg have been fixed or avoided when you still had the frames on?
How did it happen exactly?
Are your scars any different now than what they looked like in April? Have you spoken to anyone regarding scar removals? Are they smooth or bumpy?
It could have been avoided probably of I had followed my doctors advice of using crutches at all times when he told me to use them. My scars, i think they are bad and some a little bumpy not too much is more the sides and dark color. Yeah ill have scars removal in few months.
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RGKEY but all in ALL you are good? We do this surgery/mission to become taller. Are you happy?
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RGKEY but all in ALL you are good? We do this surgery/mission to become taller. Are you happy?
HONESTLY I DONT FIND MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ME NOW AND ME BEFORE SURGERY, I CAN TELL YOU THAT IM HAPPY I HAD ALL THE EXPERIENCES I HAD IN RUSSIA! THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART THAT MAKES EVERY DOLLAR WORTHY.
BEING TALLER I DONT KNOW, IT IS NOT SO GREAT AS FOR MANY OTHERS I GUESS, BUT IT IS COOL I CAN SAY. THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT IS SUCH A SLOW AND LONG PROCESS THAT YOU DON'T GET THAT EXCITEMENT AS IF YOU JUST BOUGHT A BRAND NEW CAR, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?? I GUESS IT WOULD MEAN A LOT MORE FOR A DUDE THAT WAS SUPER MISERABLE BEING SHORT, WICH IT WAS NOT ME. HAPPY? I AM HAPPY, IM JUST IN LOVE WITH A GIRL WHO IS fkING FAR FAR FROM ME BUT BESIDES THAT, LIFE IS GOOD. I DONT LIKE MY BOWED LEG BUT IT IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD, IT IS STILL BETTER THAN BEING 9 CMS SHORTER FOR SURE)))
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Your walking looks better Rgkey, congrats on the progress :)
only problem as you say is the bowed leg, personally i would be very annoyed with that and try to fix it asap, but i can understand wanting to give the body time to rest and recover a bit first.
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Do you consider doing femurs?
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hello friend, sincerely your proportions look good, you really ctms those 9 were very good, in terms of proportion and length of body. the issue now is that really shows your arcuate leg, I guess you will correct right?
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yes it does bother me that leg situation...
femurs yeah but first...recover from this then maybe correcting my leg and then maybe then femurs.. but im already 30 and I don't see anyway of wasting more time recovering from LL again!!!! I want to enjoy my prime as it is right now...
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Walking with and without lifts at 177. My leg looks cartoonish hahaha... I don't see how my leg could look any better without a second surgery. Time will tell. with the lifts I noticed that I walk worse. I dont use them anymore but I just wanted to see how I would look proportion wise with some outfits and it does not look bad I think... but my skinny legs and flat ass makes me look as I don't wish. But in time Ill achieve the look I want))) patience, determination and happiness... day by day))
http://youtu.be/tpa7vYqKZNI
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even after 9 cm LL ur recovery is so impressive...whose fault it was? but whoever it was, i think a patient always has some shortness of knowledge and it is natural. Doctor should be responsible for this. Still you are cool.once u can overcome of it u will be perfect. :) :) :) :) :)
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That's good recovery for how much you lengthen but I hope you get that bowing looked at sooner than later.
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I think that your recovery is going very well. In the first videos you were walking side to side. now your walk looks normal. I think that you are looking good with and without lifts so in my opinion if you want you could do 5cm femurs. But you need to think alot about that because now your new height isnt that bad. Talk to barinov about the boweld leg. I think he may correct that
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Name of the second song please :D
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"Pale rider"by The Preatures haha lol
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Yeah but I can not imagine my self right now with Ilizarov again!!! My left leg already tight and sored! Another surgery now will kill me!! I must wait
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LOL you're more flexible than I am even with +9 cm. I can only touch my toes even with long ass reach. *going to hit the yoga mat*
Your proportions look good in the vid, even with the lifts. I think humans naturally look good with longer legs, male and female.
And with lifts your walk looks like you got some motorcycle riding experience. Swag.
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Dude, you look like a total badass. That's all I got to say 8)
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Could you post up your next xrays when you get one? Would like to see what it looks like atm
But wow 177, you look great and no one would be able to tell that you had LL at all. Could even do 6-7cm more if you wanted. Great recovery by the way, gives me hope for the future.
So as far as problems you only have have and that is the bowed leg and the scars? All the best
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hey Andrew, motorcycle riding experience!? haha awesome!))) you give me more confidence to use my lifts on the future, being at 177 feels much better than 172))) although for people i would be more like 175-76 considering everyone is using shoes lol
thanx a lot Tall, but trust me I don't do it intentionally, it is my legs now move me like this hahaha... i didnt walk like this before
yeah sure ill post my X-ray when time comes for that))) ofcourse have hope my friend, but is a very long and crazy ride! my problem now is the scars and most importantly my fking bowed leg!!!! and well the tightness and soreness but im sure that will go away, 2 weeks ago i couldnt even walk without a crutch.
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Walking with and without lifts at 177. My leg looks cartoonish hahaha... I don't see how my leg could look any better without a second surgery. Time will tell. with the lifts I noticed that I walk worse. I dont use them anymore but I just wanted to see how I would look proportion wise with some outfits and it does not look bad I think... but my skinny legs and flat ass makes me look as I don't wish. But in time Ill achieve the look I want))) patience, determination and happiness... day by day))
http://youtu.be/tpa7vYqKZNI
Don't u think that some of your movements are a bit too sexually suggestive? ;D ;D ;D
definitely harder to notice your bowed left leg with clothes. about lifts, u already know what i think =p
anyway, u seem in a good shape, keep the good job :)
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i guess im a sexual human being lol
idk man, i notice a lot even with clothers, or it is maybe because im very aware of it, today i might see a friend and i will see what he says.
In a good shape? really!? ahh,, nice im glad to hear that, but I still dont feel like that, i lost already 10 pounds since I came back, Im eating all clean, none processed food, I want to lose at least another 10-15 pounds and start bulking from there. the lifts.. i know... but being 172 is not bad but I feel like I need that extra push to 175 hehe!!)) i feel like im almost there to perfect height but not there... it's a fked up mind set to have...
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So if you do proceed with femurs in the future, who would you do it with if I may ask?
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So if you do proceed with femurs in the future, who would you do it with if I may ask?
Im not sure.. it will all depend on how much money I can save
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I disagree in part, being confident helps no,matter what, but let's put it that way: what if a 6'0 male model is as good as you at the game , sure it's not the most important thing but if you're handsome and tall it's a big advantage, he can manipulate things in his favor, and you know girls can change their mind in a matter of second, I'm not trying to depress you but that's reality...I'd put I that way
1. Face
2. Height
3. Penis's size
4. Intelligence
5. Status
1,2 and 3 will get you the 95 % of girls, 4 and 5 the other 5%....
In terms of initial attraction, I think it's more like :
1. Height (tall ugly men often get free passes)
2. Face
3. Status/Money
4. Penis size/sex skills (not observed until a few dates in, perhaps)
5. Intelligence/Confidence
I have 8-9/10 facial aesthetics (have been compared to a number of male celebs), but being 5'6" ruins it, at least in my mind. While I'm definitely not a player, I've never had a problem getting attractive girls. I just personally don't know how I can be a "catch" due to my height alone. From what I've seen and heard, facial aesthetics can compensate if you're at least hovering around like 5'8". Below that, your height becomes too big of a negative. I know for me personally, if I were 5'8", I wouldn't even dream of doing this surgery.
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Hey rgkey , could you see that your leg was bowed when you had ilizarovs on?how could your doctor fix it?
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In terms of initial attraction, I think it's more like :
1. Height (tall ugly men often get free passes)
2. Face
3. Status/Money
4. Penis size/sex skills (not observed until a few dates in, perhaps)
5. Intelligence/Confidence
I have 8-9/10 facial aesthetics (have been compared to a number of male celebs), but being 5'6" ruins it, at least in my mind. While I'm definitely not a player, I've never had a problem getting attractive girls. I just personally don't know how I can be a "catch" due to my height alone. From what I've seen and heard, facial aesthetics can compensate if you're at least hovering around like 5'8". Below that, your height becomes too big of a negative. I know for me personally, if I were 5'8", I wouldn't even dream of doing this surgery.
i agree with you, i think that even if brad pitt were 5´5 he wouldn´t have a big chance to date with girls
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Hey rgkey , could you see that your leg was bowed when you had ilizarovs on?how could your doctor fix it?
It happened after I got my frames removed. He said it maybe possible to move the leg and cast it. And if not it has to be Ilizarov again
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i agree with you, i think that even if brad pitt were 5´5 he wouldn´t have a big chance to date with girls
Brad Pitt couldn't get girls even when he was 180 before he became famous)) lol
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Brad Pitt couldn't get girls even when he was 180 before he became famous)) lol
Actually apparantly he could, Brad Pitt banged Mike Tysons Wife Robin Givens before he became a famous actor, thats quite an impressive feat :P
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Robin Givens = ewww!!! Not even if you pay me... Actually I take that back, if you pay me enough for LL ;)
Anyway, RGKEY Im not sure if its been asked already but who does your laundry when you were still in Russia at both the hospital and the clinic? Is there someone there who does everybody's laundry for you? And what about food? Do they just automatically bring you food when its time to eat?
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Robin Givens = ewww!!! Not even if you pay me... Actually I take that back, if you pay me enough for LL ;)
Anyway, RGKEY Im not sure if its been asked already but who does your laundry when you were still in Russia at both the hospital and the clinic? Is there someone there who does everybody's laundry for you? And what about food? Do they just automatically bring you food when its time to eat?
Shes alright imo, but the main point is that you would have to be pretty damn good to get a girl who is married to a famous sports icon to cheat on him.
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Robin Givens = ewww!!! Not even if you pay me... Actually I take that back, if you pay me enough for LL ;)
Anyway, RGKEY Im not sure if its been asked already but who does your laundry when you were still in Russia at both the hospital and the clinic? Is there someone there who does everybody's laundry for you? And what about food? Do they just automatically bring you food when its time to eat?
Laundry?? hehe well everyone is supose to do their own laundry, but usually I was lucky enough and some of the girls that were doing correction would do my laundry, but during december i had to do it my self, there were no girls around(((( and food yes, there a Man Dima he brings breakfast lunch and dinner. In the hospital is a different story, there is no laundry really... it sucks, i dont maybe there is but i never asked, there was a nurse who was helping me with laundry but she didnt have to, she just wanted to.
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Another question RGKEY, how long did you have the catheter on for? Do you think its possible to not have one on after the surgery? Seems extremely painful >:(
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Another question RGKEY, how long did you have the catheter on for? Do you think its possible to not have one on after the surgery? Seems extremely painful >:(
i dont understand you question...((
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some updates:::
So I contact dr. barinov and told him about my left leg. He answered and said that he will fix it, and I can come to the clinic at any time. So at least it will be fixed!)). Maybe Ill come in 2 months, i can not leave for so long my job. Maybe what Ill do is have the surgery and correction and come back home for consolidation, I sent to him and email on this regards, so will see what happens.
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That's really good news
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Yeah good news man. Happy for you
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Hello Rgkey !
I have to congratulate you on your newspaper ,Who tells your experiencein Russia !
I am 30 years old , I live in France, I have a genu varum (legs in O)
Can you tell me pleases if you met patients in private hospital for legs correction, at the end what is of what he managed to have healthy legs very straight ?
Which are the errors that they made avoid ?
I hope that you understand me because I use the translator, I speak just French
I hope that soon you can go back home healthy :)
Thank you very much
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Hello Rgkey !
I have to congratulate you on your newspaper ,Who tells your experiencein Russia !
I am 30 years old , I live in France, I have a genu varum (legs in O)
Can you tell me pleases if you met patients in private hospital for legs correction, at the end what is of what he managed to have healthy legs very straight ?
Which are the errors that they made avoid ?
I hope that you understand me because I use the translator, I speak just French
I hope that soon you can go back home healthy :)
Thank you very much
Hey man!! Im so sorry I didn't answer you before!! I completely forgot about you! Im not home now but as soon as I get home ill send you an email and maybe we can chat on skype. I didn't mean to ignore you or anything like that. Thanx for contacting me again!
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Hey RGKEY! There n is no problem! The most importing that you are good:) I am satisfied for you that everything passed well! And you returned well into your house after these long month in Russia! I shall never have the courage to make what you made! You are brave I tell you in French : Bravo !
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i dont understand you question...((
Catheter, you know the tube thing they put into your penis so that your pee can be drained freely from the bladder? Or did you not have one after the initial surgery?
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some updates:::
So I contact dr. barinov and told him about my left leg. He answered and said that he will fix it, and I can come to the clinic at any time. So at least it will be fixed!)). Maybe Ill come in 2 months, i can not leave for so long my job. Maybe what Ill do is have the surgery and correction and come back home for consolidation, I sent to him and email on this regards, so will see what happens.
Good news indeed! It must have taken a huge weight off your shoulders!
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Catheter, you know the tube thing they put into your penis so that your pee can be drained freely from the bladder? Or did you not have one after the initial surgery?
oh yeah!! i got that not pleasant!
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Good news indeed! It must have taken a huge weight off your shoulders!
yeah absolutely!)
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Not sure if you've already stated but did the bowleg happen when you were still in Russia or did it happen once you got back home?
Was it there when the frames were still on?
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Not sure if you've already stated but did the bowleg happen when you were still in Russia or did it happen once you got back home?
Was it there when the frames were still on?
it happened when i was back home. with frames this never happens.
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hey RgKey im happy for you about the good news that you will get your bowed leg fixed.
Just a question for you, my only fear left of this LL process, is that they might remove my frames before they are hard enough, so that i might lose some of my height gain after i remove them. They tell me that i might lose one mm or 2 at most but i shouldnt lose anything. However they also tell me that im not allowed to do heavy lifting where i put to much pressure on the legs for a long time after frame removal (they werent specific but it sounded like i should avoid it for almost a year :o), so that implies that enough pressure at that point would still be able to compress the legs and lose height.
Im just worried about what i should be able to do after frame removal and how careful i need to be and for how long. Im sure they will tell me this but im not sure anything can be completely trustworthy because its so individual i guess. I suppose i should not jump and not run for at least a few months after frame removal, but im almost considering keeping the frames for longer in that case so i dont have to constantly worry about losing height.
I know your doctor told you that you need to use the crutches for a while after frame removal, what other instructions and restrictions did he give you? If the leg can get bowed from pressure like yours did then i assume to much pressure could also compress the bone, or am i wrong? Did the doctor warn you about the risk of subsidence/height loss?
Thank you for you help mate and good luck recovering!
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I'm more worried about bow leg than height loss,in this case u just lengthen 0.4mm more, but with bow leg u have to do another surgery and have frames on again
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I'm more worried about bow leg than height loss,in this case u just lengthen 0.4mm more, but with bow leg u have to do another surgery and have frames on again
But the height loss you get after frame removal, at that point it is to late to regain that height unless you want to break the bone again, and if you mean that you lengthen 0.4 cm extra before removing the frames to compensate for the loss..well the thing is im worried if there is a risk of losing more if you put to much pressure on the legs, some studies have reported bigger losses than a few mm, and even though they where unreliable you cant be sure enough when there is so much at stake.
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Wannabegiant, What are you saying. That through all that pain i may not get the Cm i came there for an payed a hefty price for it?.
(http://northwesteliteindex.com/images/may12/3.jpg)
http://northwesteliteindex.com/images/may12/3.jpg (http://northwesteliteindex.com/images/may12/3.jpg)
Check the guy in the middle to the right. His proportions is all legs and he is 6'1ish
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Wannabegiant, What are you saying. That through all that pain i may not get the Cm i came there for an payed a hefty price for it?.
(http://northwesteliteindex.com/images/may12/3.jpg)
http://northwesteliteindex.com/images/may12/3.jpg (http://northwesteliteindex.com/images/may12/3.jpg)
Check the guy in the middle to the right. His proportions is all legs and he is 6'1ish
if u told me he did LL, I'd believe u
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hey RgKey im happy for you about the good news that you will get your bowed leg fixed.
Just a question for you, my only fear left of this LL process, is that they might remove my frames before they are hard enough, so that i might lose some of my height gain after i remove them. They tell me that i might lose one mm or 2 at most but i shouldnt lose anything. However they also tell me that im not allowed to do heavy lifting where i put to much pressure on the legs for a long time after frame removal (they werent specific but it sounded like i should avoid it for almost a year :o), so that implies that enough pressure at that point would still be able to compress the legs and lose height.
Im just worried about what i should be able to do after frame removal and how careful i need to be and for how long. Im sure they will tell me this but im not sure anything can be completely trustworthy because its so individual i guess. I suppose i should not jump and not run for at least a few months after frame removal, but im almost considering keeping the frames for longer in that case so i dont have to constantly worry about losing height.
I know your doctor told you that you need to use the crutches for a while after frame removal, what other instructions and restrictions did he give you? If the leg can get bowed from pressure like yours did then i assume to much pressure could also compress the bone, or am i wrong? Did the doctor warn you about the risk of subsidence/height loss?
Thank you for you help mate and good luck recovering!
don't height, it should not happened, when they remove the frames is because the bone at least in 2 or 3 ways is completely consolidated,so it is technically impossible to lose height from compressing the bone from weight. What can happen is what happened to me, with the bone can bend. My doctor said, the bone will be strong enough to keep your weight vertically but other movements can make the bone bend because the new bone will not be strong as your old bone until at least 6 months to 1 year. So yeah my doc told me to no jump or do aports for 1 year. so yeah that is correct. again you shouldnt lose any height.
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I lost around 2cm.
Either that or Dr Sarin turned the device back to improve my tendon healing.
My doctor in Sweden told me I gained just a little bit more than 7cm.
I turned 7,4cm.
My right ankle is permanently ruined.
X-legs makes my knees hurt if I walk a couple of hours.
This part sucks really bad!!
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don't height, it should not happened, when they remove the frames is because the bone at least in 2 or 3 ways is completely consolidated,so it is technically impossible to lose height from compressing the bone from weight. What can happen is what happened to me, with the bone can bend. My doctor said, the bone will be strong enough to keep your weight vertically but other movements can make the bone bend because the new bone will not be strong as your old bone until at least 6 months to 1 year. So yeah my doc told me to no jump or do aports for 1 year. so yeah that is correct. again you shouldnt lose any height.
I assume that happened because u did 9 cm , I believe if u do less , say 5 , the curvature shouldn't be that noticeable, as there will be less pressure, plus I'm quit skinny myself so I just hope it won't happen to me
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I lost around 2cm.
Either that or Dr Sarin turned the device back to improve my tendon healing.
My doctor in Sweden told me I gained just a little bit more than 7cm.
I turned 7,4cm.
My right ankle is permanently ruined.
X-legs makes my knees hurt if I walk a couple of hours.
This part sucks really bad!!
Why did you lost so much? Because xlegs?
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if u told me he did LL, I'd believe u
I wouldn't. His arms are too long to be those of a former LL patient. People with long torsos (normal looking after LL) almost always have short arms and legs. People with very long arms usually have very long legs to begin with. In my experience, it's very rare to find a person with a long torso, very long arms, but short legs. That would be the ideal LL candidate though. Swimmer usually have this build though, but they are usually also very tall naturally (lucky!).
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I lost around 2cm.
Either that or Dr Sarin turned the device back to improve my tendon healing.
My doctor in Sweden told me I gained just a little bit more than 7cm.
I turned 7,4cm.
My right ankle is permanently ruined.
X-legs makes my knees hurt if I walk a couple of hours.
This part sucks really bad!!
When you say you lost 2 cm, do you mean after frame removal from subsidence? seems impossible in your case since you have internal rods in your bones.
Also if you mean pin bending loss, that would make your loss ca 0.4 cm. So it seems im missing something here..
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don't height, it should not happened, when they remove the frames is because the bone at least in 2 or 3 ways is completely consolidated,so it is technically impossible to lose height from compressing the bone from weight. What can happen is what happened to me, with the bone can bend. My doctor said, the bone will be strong enough to keep your weight vertically but other movements can make the bone bend because the new bone will not be strong as your old bone until at least 6 months to 1 year. So yeah my doc told me to no jump or do aports for 1 year. so yeah that is correct. again you shouldnt lose any height.
Okey thanks sounds logical.. But since they mentioned that i should avoud weight lifting that put to much pressure on the legs for a long time, like the leg press or deadlift, that implicates to me at least that there is a risk of compressing the bone a bit, but maybe the risk is actually that it could bend, but if it bends that could lead to height loss i guess..
When they say 6 months to a year, do they mean from the date of surgery, or that time starting after the date of frame removal? :p
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Okey thanks sounds logical.. But since they mentioned that i should avoud weight lifting that put to much pressure on the legs for a long time, like the leg press or deadlift, that implicates to me at least that there is a risk of compressing the bone a bit, but maybe the risk is actually that it could bend, but if it bends that could lead to height loss i guess..
When they say 6 months to a year, do they mean from the date of surgery, or that time starting after the date of frame removal? :p
no doctor in his right mind would remove frames if the bone isnt strong enough. the only reason why you should avoid weight lifting or other activies is for bending, and I guess you could lose some height for that, how much? i dont know. I dont know what is the method of your doctor but mine, about amonth pre frames removal, he took all the tension out from my frames, so all the weight was going on my bones, and i was able to carry 20 kilograms gallons with water every day and walk. the doctor said it was completely safe because i still had the frames on and the rods prevented my bones from bending, but vertically i was walking 100% on my bones, and i didnt lose any height. is 6 months after they remove your frames. at least 6months. maybe you a little less since you only lengthened 4cms
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no doctor in his right mind would remove frames if the bone isnt strong enough. the only reason why you should avoid weight lifting or other activies is for bending, and I guess you could lose some height for that, how much? i dont know. I dont know what is the method of your doctor but mine, about amonth pre frames removal, he took all the tension out from my frames, so all the weight was going on my bones, and i was able to carry 20 kilograms gallons with water every day and walk. the doctor said it was completely safe because i still had the frames on and the rods prevented my bones from bending, but vertically i was walking 100% on my bones, and i didnt lose any height. is 6 months after they remove your frames. at least 6months. maybe you a little less since you only lengthened 4cms
okey thank you for the info man, sounds very reassuring :D, i dont think Dr Bagirov uses that method of switching the weight load onto the bones vertically before removing the frames.
Do you know what the reason for doing that is? does it speed up consolidation further?
(since your bone was already hard enough to carry weight vertically, i assume this method improves the hardening of the bone horizontally to improve its resistance to bending)
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okey thank you for the info man, sounds very reassuring :D, i dont think Dr Bagirov uses that method of switching the weight load onto the bones vertically before removing the frames.
Do you know what the reason for doing that is? does it speed up consolidation further?
(since your bone was already hard enough to carry weight vertically, i assume this method improves the hardening of the bone horizontally to improve its resistance to bending)
two reasons...
first, what it is done, is actually, they make you turn back slowly maybe 90 degrees a day, so slowly so little by little the pins get lose and your weight lands on the bones. by the end of two weeks or 3 there will be no tension at all on the pins. this is done to get the bone use to your weight slowly and also helps consolidation a lot.
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Hey RGKEY,
Were you able to ride a bike with those frames on?
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Hey RGKEY, what do you do at home these days in terms of rehab? Do you see a physio on a weekly basis or are you just doing rehab on your own atm?
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Hey RGKEY,
Were you able to ride a bike with those frames on?
bike? no i didnt try, but im sure is possible, it would bad ass thou hehe
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Hey RGKEY, what do you do at home these days in terms of rehab? Do you see a physio on a weekly basis or are you just doing rehab on your own atm?
just swimming, walking and stretching, that is all
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Do you think physio is needed once back home during the consolidation phase? Or walking and doing stretches are enough? I ask because I dont have health insurance atm and was wondering if I should sign up for me to get physio and so on for when I do LL in the coming year or so
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Do you think physio is needed once back home during the consolidation phase? Or walking and doing stretches are enough? I ask because I dont have health insurance atm and was wondering if I should sign up for me to get physio and so on for when I do LL in the coming year or so
my doc said it is not really necessary, but it would help
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LOL you're more flexible than I am even with +9 cm. I can only touch my toes even with long ass reach. *going to hit the yoga mat*
Your proportions look good in the vid, even with the lifts. I think humans naturally look good with longer legs, male and female.
And with lifts your walk looks like you got some motorcycle riding experience. Swag.
I agree. But I think in man look good as long as they have muscular long legs!)))
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They look good only if the arms aren't short
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They look good only if the arms aren't short
that too. or i think super short, like noticeable
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Do you guys feel that a wingspan 3CM less than height would generally be noticeable on a broad-shouldered man?
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Do you guys feel that a wingspan 3CM less than height would generally be noticeable on a broad-shouldered man?
I can tell only from a picture, because when u calculate wingspan it also takes in consideration the torso width, I need to see your arms compared to your body , but I believe if I didn't know about LL I wouldnt even notice it as people have different sizes and proportions by nature
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WALKING month and a half)) POST FRAMES REMOVAL
http://youtu.be/4PyLcnFWd6w
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Right on man!!
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I think if u fix your bow leg it won't be noticeable that your legs are weird, but if u do femurs it will bring even more balance
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Wow your walking seems absolutely normal to me, do you feel any tightness in the mornings when you wake up? Besides from the bowleg and the inevitable scars, do you have any other type of problems? Also while you were at the clinic in Russia, how many times a week does Dr Barinov visit you?
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are u allowed to bent your legs?
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Wow your walking seems absolutely normal to me, do you feel any tightness in the mornings when you wake up? Besides from the bowleg and the inevitable scars, do you have any other type of problems? Also while you were at the clinic in Russia, how many times a week does Dr Barinov visit you?
yes tightness 24/7 in the morning is really bad and when I dont move my legs for long they get very tight. Not other problems. I saw the doctor every days many times a day!))) Sometimes we had long ass conversations over an hour! Lol
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are u allowed to bent your legs?
What do you mean??
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The things im not allowed to do is running, jumping, squatting, forget about weights or extra load on legs other than my natural weight. This for at least six months to a year. Btw, I lost 15 pounds so far! Im looking so much better!! Im 155pounds 172cm tall, sometimes I walk and se my self on the reflection of windows and mirrows and I like how I look for sure!!))) And once in a awhile the classic smile from the ladies helps as well!)) Life is looking better now. I like so much how I look that im not sure if I will do femurs now)) when I put my jeans on and my tight tshirt I see a perfect proportions dude walking!))) So I dont know anymore...I mean sometimes I wish to be taller but then risk my the great look I think I have discourages me. Will see
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Are u allowed to do yoga or exercises for legs in the air? Can you exercise , like walking up and down the stairs at slow speed?
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Also are u allowed to do push UPS ?
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Yes you can do everything but what I mentioned)))
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The things im not allowed to do is running, jumping, squatting, forget about weights or extra load on legs other than my natural weight. This for at least six months to a year. Btw, I lost 15 pounds so far! Im looking so much better!! Im 155pounds 172cm tall, sometimes I walk and se my self on the reflection of windows and mirrows and I like how I look for sure!!))) And once in a awhile the classic smile from the ladies helps as well!)) Life is looking better now. I like so much how I look that im not sure if I will do femurs now)) when I put my jeans on and my tight tshirt I see a perfect proportions dude walking!))) So I dont know anymore...I mean sometimes I wish to be taller but then risk my the great look I think I have discourages me. Will see
Yeah what matters is how you feel, hope you always feel that way and don't listen to crap.
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You give me hope man... I'm 163 and seeing you walking at 172 with no problems really brighten up my day. Tienes skype? Hablo español, soy latino, me gustaria preguntarte varias cosas :D
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Hey RGKEY, i got a kind of weird question for you,
Sometimes when i sleep these days i get a urge or spasm that i want to flex my leg muscles (those around the knee mostly), and sometimes that results in me pressing my leg downwards against the bed. I sometimes wonder if this could potentially affect the bone formation that is going on inside the incision sites?
because in theory the muscles around would be pushing against the empty space where the callus is forming (its not empty any more but most likely not solid either)
It doesnt hurt but i wonder if this could be a problem, i dont do it often but im worried i might damage the callus even if slightly, and maybe it ends up with my new bone being indented when im dont because of this. I could not really tell how it looked from my x-rays because from the sideview images the fibula is in the way so i cant see the edge of the back of the tibia.
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You give me hope man... I'm 163 and seeing you walking at 172 with no problems really brighten up my day. Tienes skype? Hablo español, soy latino, me gustaria preguntarte varias cosas :D
claro mandame un email)) rgkey12345@gmail.com
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Hey RGKEY, i got a kind of weird question for you,
Sometimes when i sleep these days i get a urge or spasm that i want to flex my leg muscles (those around the knee mostly), and sometimes that results in me pressing my leg downwards against the bed. I sometimes wonder if this could potentially affect the bone formation that is going on inside the incision sites?
because in theory the muscles around would be pushing against the empty space where the callus is forming (its not empty any more but most likely not solid either)
It doesnt hurt but i wonder if this could be a problem, i dont do it often but im worried i might damage the callus even if slightly, and maybe it ends up with my new bone being indented when im dont because of this. I could not really tell how it looked from my x-rays because from the sideview images the fibula is in the way so i cant see the edge of the back of the tibia.
hey man, don't worry about this!! as long you have your frames on nothing can really happen trust me!!! you still do right?? all your discomfort is because of the pins. those spasms or contractions are normal as the russians say. you have small contraction on your knees wich is normal. the frames are like having 4 extra tibias in each leg))))
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how long can you walk?
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hey man, don't worry about this!! as long you have your frames on nothing can really happen trust me!!! you still do right?? all your discomfort is because of the pins. those spasms or contractions are normal as the russians say. you have small contraction on your knees wich is normal. the frames are like having 4 extra tibias in each leg))))
Thank you man for the info but are you sure you understand what im referring to? :p just so i make myself clear, the ilizarovs that i have, do not have rings that go around the leg, they only cover the front of the legs since they are half-rings (except the ring around the ankles) this means that the backside of my lower leg is exposed, and nothing is covering the incision site from behind.
So theoretically if i applied enough pressure on the flesh on the back of the incision site, the flesh could be pushed into the gap between the bones, at least thats how i think it would work. Im afraid that i could potentially disturb the callus by applying pressure there which would cause the muscle to push into the callus formation which might make it indented.
When i sleep, i lay down on my back, so the backside of the incision site is laying against the bed, but this pressure is very insignificant so its no problem, however because of lack of activity from my legs, i get the urge to flex the leg muscles sometimes which causes me to push my legs downwards against the bed. So im not sure but im afraid i might be applying a lot of pressure during these moments against the callus, it doesnt happen often but it might be enough to make it indented..i hope not though. The x-rays i take in july will confirm if this is a problem or not hopefully
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Great videos. It must be a fantastic feeling returning home fom Russia and walking around in your home almost 4 inches taller.
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how long can you walk?
i dont know exactly maybe 15 20 minutes
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Yeah what matters is how you feel, hope you always feel that way and don't listen to crap.
thankx man!)
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Thank you man for the info but are you sure you understand what im referring to? :p just so i make myself clear, the ilizarovs that i have, do not have rings that go around the leg, they only cover the front of the legs since they are half-rings (except the ring around the ankles) this means that the backside of my lower leg is exposed, and nothing is covering the incision site from behind.
So theoretically if i applied enough pressure on the flesh on the back of the incision site, the flesh could be pushed into the gap between the bones, at least thats how i think it would work. Im afraid that i could potentially disturb the callus by applying pressure there which would cause the muscle to push into the callus formation which might make it indented.
When i sleep, i lay down on my back, so the backside of the incision site is laying against the bed, but this pressure is very insignificant so its no problem, however because of lack of activity from my legs, i get the urge to flex the leg muscles sometimes which causes me to push my legs downwards against the bed. So im not sure but im afraid i might be applying a lot of pressure during these moments against the callus, it doesnt happen often but it might be enough to make it indented..i hope not though. The x-rays i take in july will confirm if this is a problem or not hopefully
i think I understand. in any case for what I know, you are suppose to push your knee down, forcing your leg to be as straight as possible to avoid knee contractions. I think your frame is different I know, but I believe your frames should be strong enough to handle any movement. I dont think your doctor would would let you go with bad frames. I think you should contact your doctor and ask. ive seen your frames, and it seems like they have less stability than the classic ilizarov but they seem fine only different they are not complete ringsnwhich may cause a little less stability from the back of the leg. ask your doc!)
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Great videos. It must be a fantastic feeling returning home fom Russia and walking around in your home almost 4 inches taller.
yes it is!!)) i used to walk around the same height before with lifts but, but it is a better feeling walking at this height without lifts, it really looks and feel much better!)
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i think I understand. in any case for what I know, you are suppose to push your knee down, forcing your leg to be as straight as possible to avoid knee contractions. I think your frame is different I know, but I believe your frames should be strong enough to handle any movement. I dont think your doctor would would let you go with bad frames. I think you should contact your doctor and ask. ive seen your frames, and it seems like they have less stability than the classic ilizarov but they seem fine only different they are not complete ringsnwhich may cause a little less stability from the back of the leg. ask your doc!)
Yeah youre right :) i should probably ask the doctor to make sure, although while it logically seems like a problem i have a hard time believing they would miss such a design flaw, because you are supposed to lay on your back while sleeping during LL, and naturally some pressure will be applied to the back of the incision sites, so its probably not a problem.
However one thing i can tell for sure, these Ilizarovs seem very stable, however stability really has no bearing on my specific issue. each of the bone parts are kept in place by the pins, but the issue is the empy space created in the middle by lengthening, the gap where the new callus will form. This area is what im worried about since it is exposed from behind with only the muscles in the way. So if pressure pushes the muscles toward the bone when laying down, i wonder if the callus formation could be disturbed and end up consolidating in an indented form.
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that is why the pins and rods are for, to make sure that gap or new bone is stable and stay in static position even if you fall from a building!! ;) ;) everything might break and move but whatever is protected by the frames not even 0.0001 millimeters
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meet 5 feet of love!!!! gotta love this guy!!!
http://youtu.be/4X5OyESGuPc
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that is why the pins and rods are for, to make sure that gap or new bone is stable and stay in static position even if you fall from a building!! ;) ;) everything might break and move but whatever is protected by the frames not even 0.0001 millimeters
Yeah the pins and rods keep each end of the bone in place :p but the gap in the middle where the new bone is being regenerated, regardless of how stable the ilizarov frames are, that spot could theoretically be affected if muscle tissue got into the gap. The rods would keep the ends of the bone stable and in place but the gap in the middle could still be affected.
But after looking at x-rays on bones on the internet i dont think its a big issue, since the bone is so thin compared to the whole leg, the muscles might not be able to reach the gap within the bones even when applying pressure from the outside. I hope so because i cant really stop myself from flexing my lower legs muscles some times. :p
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i don't know about that man, i haven't heard anything like it thou.
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i don't know about that man, i haven't heard anything like it thou.
Yeah, nobody at the clinic mentioned anything about it either, so it probably isnt anything to worry about. If that was a risk they would probably not have designed these ilizarov frames like they are with no protection on the back of the legs :P
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While you have your frames on is normal that your brain will get very creative in ways to terrify your self! Lol
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While you have your frames on is normal that your brain will get very creative in ways to terrify your self! Lol
So true. ;D
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Yeah the pins and rods keep each end of the bone in place :p but the gap in the middle where the new bone is being regenerated, regardless of how stable the ilizarov frames are, that spot could theoretically be affected if muscle tissue got into the gap. The rods would keep the ends of the bone stable and in place but the gap in the middle could still be affected.
But after looking at x-rays on bones on the internet i dont think its a big issue, since the bone is so thin compared to the whole leg, the muscles might not be able to reach the gap within the bones even when applying pressure from the outside. I hope so because i cant really stop myself from flexing my lower legs muscles some times. :p
Since all the soft tissues and muscles are stretched all the time I don't think that they will curve themselves in the gap, you worry too much! :P
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While you have your frames on is normal that your brain will get very creative in ways to terrify your self! Lol
lol! so true xD
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Since all the soft tissues and muscles are stretched all the time I don't think that they will curve themselves in the gap, you worry too much! :P
Yeah although my calf muscles are very relaxed and dont seem to be tense, they seem to be like they where before the surgery right now, i dont know if they are still being stretched since i stopped lengthening over a month ago, but i still dont think this should be a problem :p
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it is normal!)) all is good man, as long as you have your frames on dont worry about all this strange feelings...
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hi everyone. It has been awhile. some updates.
legs are better until one week ago to Egypt. I just came back and my legs are super tight. I think a day or 2 and ill be back to walking ok. I can't run, but at least I can dance decently))))
Life is good, Im deeply in love with my Girlfriend!))))) and here is a picture of me and her together in Egypt having a bless!! amazing amazing time!!! it makes all this LL experience so much better!!! cuz i met her in russia while i was consolidating and she was doing correction. She is all i could ever dream of a girl, she is so cool sweet and hot))) Im more happy that i met such person than the fact that I stretched my legs 9cms. So guys, yeah life is good for now)))
(http://i.imgur.com/yIVpEpol.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/BhydKhtl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3u8p7V7l.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/aE9fmGul.jpg)
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Wow.. well done my friend :) great to see you enjoying life post LL, that chick seems like a stunner!
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Wow.. well done my friend :) great to see you enjoying life post LL, that chick seems like a stunner!
yeah can't complain, love department is good, and yeah when other chicks start hitting on your chick that is the real sign))) lol
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not sure if i should say good luck or good f*ck ;D, btw did u tell her about LL?
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and FYI: nothing was easy!!!
it was not easy:
getting my hurt broken when my ex girlfriend left me
losing 70 pounds
learning the game on how to understand women and social dynamics
and it was definitely not easy Leg Lengthening and achieving 9cms in height.
but it was all worth it. it really was, and sometimes i get down like any other human but I look back and all I have dare to do and the future looks super bright for me. nothing seems impossible anymore. everything i really wanted from live im getting it. and it is so cool! just so cool))) so all of you just dare and do it.
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not sure if i should say good luck or good f*ck ;D, btw did u tell her about LL?
yeah of course she knows) and she thinks i was crazy for doing that. I told her i was planning to do my femurs and she says i will kill you if you do. you dont need it.
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yeah of course she knows) and she thinks i was crazy for doing that. I told her i was planning to do my femurs and she says i will kill you if you do. you dont need it.
i believe you do, but only to adjust your leg mechanics
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i believe you do, but only to adjust your leg mechanics
well i meant lengthening, but i definitely need to correct my left leg
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Que buenas fotos tio :), dentro de un tiempo va a ser mi turno ;D
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Que buenas fotos tio :), dentro de un tiempo va a ser mi turno ;D
Suerte tio!) Ojala)))
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No I meant to lengthen the femurs to adjust your tibia femur ratio
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No I meant to lengthen the femurs to adjust your tibia femur ratio
Actually that does not bother me. Not even when im in my underwear.
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base on my personal experience: So would I recommend leg lengthening, yes)) but find a good doctor!!! someone who cares and prioritize your health. would i recommend Dr. Barinov, despite of his stupidity of fking me up with visa situation, now thanx to that I can not come back to Russia for 5 years, and i really want to for many fking reasons. And also, despite of my bowed leg! on his defense he is willing to fix it so it is ok I guess. Yes I would recommend him still. I'm 172 and have 1 bowed leg so it could be worse. We are finding ways to fix my bowed leg thou, maybe ill come to the clinic in czech republic. will see. what else... the hospital is not good but not an ass hole either, the clinic is fine, it is actually great! lot of people, nice help, one nurse for only davinci patients, the doctor is there all the time (business hours) all is good in that sense. i would love to give Barinov a 10 out of 10 rating but I can't!(((( my bowed leg does not allow it even when he wants to fix it, still this shouldn't happen. I give him an 8 out of 10. Personally I think for Leg lengthening a 7 out 10 and above is fine for a doctor.
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At least he's not a scammer and I think you get what you pay for
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Congrats on your new girl. Glad to know you have overall good outcome post LL, get the bowed leg fixed and it's fine. Do you expect to run and play sports close to 100% in future with more time to recover?
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How do you get these hot girls. You just say hi or i don't get it? meaning they speak another language and racial differences and with frames on your legs even. Wtf haha tell me.
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Hallijah: true fact))
jerry: maybe but i think at least another year! and i need to rest more, I've been too active. but being honest i dont know if ill ever be back to 100 percent ill let you know. for now im still fighting with just walking normal at all times. i cant run or anything like that. i know other people can but not me(((
slim: im just my self at all times, and every oportunity i get to escalate things i move forward always, never afraid to get rejected and that's all. remember 70% of human communication is not verbal, most girls i meet and stay with always say they feel comfortable with me and they dont know why. my only problem with girls is when i start caring too much and i get all needy and desperate and jealous and i usually end up losing the girl!(( but now i have experience so I'm trying to avoid my past bad habits))) especially when i get a hotter cooler smarter girl than the one before i get this horrible feeling of losing her and get all weird hahaha.... i still get these horrible feelings but i don't allow them to dictate my reality, i try to stay clear at all times)) and I can gladly say after Leg lengthening im dating the hottest girl i have ever dated!!!! and not only hottest but also coolest girl ever, and she loves me a lot and I do too!) so all is great, and if she leaves me well i a sexy 172 mother fker, her lost)) hahaha... that won't happen thou lol i don't think...but you never know
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Hey RG, I'm sure I've asked you this before, but what was is your wingspan? Do you have an accurate measurement?
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Hey RG, I'm sure I've asked you this before, but what was is your wingspan? Do you have an accurate measurement?
No i don't, i think 169 170
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Wtf how did you achieve 9 cm.
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Wtf how did you achieve 9 cm.
NOT EASY FOR SURE
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NOT EASY FOR SURE
But still tell me. When i think of 9 cm i think of amputation for some reason. Like once you cross 8 cm you are on your own. And here you are doing it like it was 4 cm. How did you do it. What was the hardest part?
And can you describe the pain? how was it like....like a knife kind of pain or more punch on the arm kind of pain.
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Some Chinese patients were really hardcore, lengthening 10cm or even more. Some peoples' bodies can handle a lot of lengthening.
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But still tell me. When i think of 9 cm i think of amputation for some reason. Like once you cross 8 cm you are on your own. And here you are doing it like it was 4 cm. How did you do it. What was the hardest part?
And can you describe the pain? how was it like....like a knife kind of pain or more punch on the arm kind of pain.
It's hard dude, but not so hard apparently lol
just go over my diary I made videos describing all you are asking. If I can imagine something similar its maybe like stabbing a piece of wood in your ass and live with it for many months.
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http://youtu.be/8WUjAK-_cSI
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Nice proportions! I really couldn't tell by your knee height/waist height that you had LL.
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THE JOURNEY DOES NOT END HERE. STILL TRYING TO BECOME A BETTER VERSION OF MY OLD SELF. AFTER LL IT IS TRUE, YOU ARE REALLY LIMITED TO MANY THINGS, BUT I ALWAYS REMEMBER TO "START WHERE I AM, USE WHAT I GOT, DO I WHAT I CAN"
MY OWN PATHS AND MY BELIEVES ARE WHAT REALLY HOLDS ME UP EVERYDAY.
I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR PEOPLE WHO COMPLAIN ABOUT THINGS THAT THEY CAN NOT CHANGE. IF YOU DON'T LIKE SOMETHING YOU EITHER LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT HAPPILY EVER AFTER, OR TAKE ACTION AND CHANGE IT EXTERNALLY. AS LONG AS YOU ARE ON YOUR PATH TO ACHIEVE YOUR GOALS, LIVE LIFE, ENJOY THE JORNEY, YOU AND ME DESERVE THE BEST OF LIFE. I MANY TIMES FEEL LIKE AND I HATE MY SELF FOR THAT, SO THAT HATE PUSHES ME TO CHANGE WHAT I DON'T LIKE. I REALLY HOPE FOR ALL LL'ERS THAT YOU ACHIEVE WHAT YOU CRAVE AND MOST IMPORTANTLY ENJOY THE JORNEY AND LEARN FROM YOUR EXPERIENCES. AND SOMETIMES ALONG THE WAY YOU WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE PATH, IT IS OK, BE OPEN TO NEW PATHS, JUST KEEP WALKING TO THE TOP.
(http://i.imgur.com/TGU38xEl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/7JD2QnZl.jpg)
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You look good in those photos but the light is terrible on your legs.
Post some pictures when you sit down on a chair with your legs bent 90 degrees.
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i will, now that i see, your height before LL is still higher than my current height even after 9cms of my LL, funny ))
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can you post a straight photo? because this one is tricky
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Could you post some pictures of your scars? Would like to see what they look like now, are they smooth?
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mmm.... your right leg is noticeably bent.... i can't imagine that will not cause major issues if it is not fixed
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scars are bad, and leg is really curved. it must be fixed. ill post more pictures later. from the esthetic point of view it doesnt bother me as much. but i know it can give me problem in the future. the doctor says it must be fixed
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RGKEY
What about your papa. He is the only reason why i have not done LL yet. I don't want to hurt his feelings.
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Hey,
Awesome diary. Sorry to hear about your bow leg. It's great that you share it with us so that we know that LL is not all rosy and sweet. There is hiccup along the way no matter where you go.
I also suffer from x leg as you can see from my video. But it is getting better. Good-luck with your recovery.
Damn. You have to post a video or write a book on how you pick up all those hotties. Well, I've been successful before hitting on entry-level girls. But after I try to hit on high-end girls, I got so many rejections. It's even more painful than LL.
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So how do you plan on fixing it RGKEY if you cant go back to Russia since they screwed your visa? Local doctor?
Do you have any knee pains now? Did you have any knee pains/issues while lengthening and consolidation?
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@ Slim: mm i dont know what you mean my friend..((((
@Small guy: hey man!! im glad to hear from you, maybe i come to Canada to visit you one day! send me a PM if you want to meet up))
@shorty: yeah, maybe ill come to czech republic, davincci clinic have a partnership with some clinic in czech and barinov sent me an email saying he can do the surgery there for me. so will see.
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Good physique you got there Rgkey, only bad spot in the picture is the bowed leg :-\
Hope all goes well with your recovery :)
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Its good that Dr Barinov is trying to help you with the bowleg despite the visa issues.
Do you have any knee pains now? Did you have any knee pains/issues while lengthening and consolidation?
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yes... its good dr barinov himself keeps contact..
the scars shouldn't be a concern, as they can easily be fixed later, and are purely a cosmetic issue
how long can you walk now?
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@giant: thanx)) im not even close to what i want but slowly im getting there. bowed leg yeah is bad i guess.
@shorty: knee pain, not really more like a little discomfort constantly, i think because of the bowed leg, will se with time.
knee pain during during LL and consolidation, well hell yeah, but i had all kind of pain!! so knee pain was of the least type of pain i got.
@crimsontide: scars i think can be removed easily eventually. walking.. huhh i think a good 30 minutes.
So for some reason im taller, better looking in general but I dont feel any more confident than before LL, strange, the opposite, i feel worse because i think i should feel more confident because im taller, but i dont, i walk and see some girls, usually i would approach them no problem but now I'm getting those anxiety attacks and fear of approaching even when i know I look much better than before, so im not liking this at all!!! even thou now im 172 and 150 pounds, i kinda feel the same as when I was 163 and 220 pounds... hahaha... well i feel the similar in terms of confidence but i notice that my standards have changed also a lot.
here is a picture of me playing with my GF'S panties haha, she got me, i kinda have a sexy ass even without working out my legs haha, anyway i thought it was a good picture to show my proportions in term of my tibias and femurs, as it shows all lol so time to laugh a loud, your welcome))
(http://i.imgur.com/1eBMPG7l.png)
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rg,
so you had knee pain while wearing frames??? the knee pain you get now, is that only on your right leg??
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Lookin' good proportion-wise, RGKEY. I don't think anyone would think anything looks off about your legs.
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Im scarred for life now after seeing that :-[ So you are one of those people, the panty sharing couples ;D
So you did have knee pain during lengthening while wearing frames, I thought doing externals only would avoid the knee problems?
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Im scarred for life now after seeing that :-[ So you are one of those people, the panty sharing couples ;D
So you did have knee pain during lengthening while wearing frames, I thought doing externals only would avoid the knee problems?
I did externals only and have no knee pain, im almost 100% sure that if you get pain in the knees with externals it is for a different reason and never permanent unlike with LON and LATN.
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yeah the knee pain is not really knee pain, is usually the little muscles being stretch by the pin while lengthening, so it is definitely not permanent. once i got my frames off all pains were gone. Well, i shouldnt say i have knee pain, i dont, i have some discomfort like 5 centimeters above the knee, i just thought it was easier to say knee, my bad!! so no knee pain at all.
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Lookin' good proportion-wise, RGKEY. I don't think anyone would think anything looks off about your legs.
i think u r right)) even when i look at my self, if not for the scars and bowed leg i wouldnt even notice I had lengthened my tibias
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SOME PICTURES OF MY SCARS
(http://i.imgur.com/NrFogEUl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/UGnWXWvl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/khu3Iv1l.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/06afFZVl.jpg)
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Cool, do you think it is still improving or will you go for scar removal in the near future? :p
I dont typically care about having scars, but when they are lined up in that way from our pins, it becomes very noticable that they arent just normal scars, It looks so obvious that we did something surgically to our legs..
I might have to do some scar removal in the future if it ends up being that visible for me..
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Cool, do you think it is still improving or will you go for scar removal in the near future? :p
I dont typically care about having scars, but when they are lined up in that way from our pins, it becomes very noticable that they arent just normal scars, It looks so obvious that we did something surgically to our legs..
I might have to do some scar removal in the future if it ends up being that visible for me..
yes i will do scar removal, especially because when i will visit my family in south america they will start with the infinite questions!! so yeah... i really dont care too much about the marks as they are, it just seems like i had a crazy surgery which doesnt bother me, it gives me a tough look! haha, as long as i get a perfect body and handsome face the scars are ok, i dont want to be mr pretty boy)))) i already have pretty face lol
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CELEBRATING MY 3 MONTHS ANNIVERSARY, AND OFCOURSE DANCING!... FOR THE REQUESTS, I SHOW MY SCARS, PROPORTION WITH 7.5CMS BOOTS AND WITHOUT. AND WITH LIFT ME DANCING AT 178CMS, THAT IS EXACTLY HOW I LOOK IN THE CLUBS. WHAT ELSE CAN I SAY, YES IM AWARE OF MY BOWED LEG BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS FOR RIGHT KNOW, I CAN NOT LET THAT OR ANYTHING FROM MOVING FORWARD. STILL ON MY DIET, I CHANGED MY DIET WITH THE HELP OF MY MY GOOD FRIEND, KIRP? IS THAT HIS LL NICKNAME?? WELL I GUESS, AND NOTHING, I HAD TIME TODAY TO MAKE THIS VIDEO. I HONESTLY THINK I LOOK BETTER WITH LIFTS THAN WITHOUT BUT MAYBE IM WRONG. SO THIS IS ME 3 MONTHS LATER AT 172 AND AT 178, AND MY DOG IS ON MY WAY LOL
http://youtu.be/_M64SRehWbg
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You actually look fine even with the lifts! Do you know what's your sitting height, armspan and weight?
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Sitting height don't know.armspan I think 169-170 Weight 151 this morning
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Wow. You looks amazing even with the lifts! 8)
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Wow. You looks amazing even with the lifts! 8)
thank you mate)
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Looking good man , I was wonder where did u get ur lifts from ?
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Looking good man , I was wonder where did u get ur lifts from ?
Interesting question... from my old shoes
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You look really good, even with lifts. Awesome dancing! The ladies must love it ;D
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You look really good, even with lifts. Awesome dancing! The ladies must love it ;D
hehe thanx, i love to dance, glad i can do it again!) mm i dont know u tell me u r the lady))
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You look good standing up.
You clearly have some malalignment on you left tibia. It was strange looking at it.
If you can sit on your knees you can really see how out of proportion your tibias are with your feet sticking out way back.
These things doesn't matter anyway. Enjoy your new height!
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yeah brother, nice dance , you could pick up some girls in the clubs with those movements , proportions look nice even with lifts
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You look good standing up.
You clearly have some malalignment on you left tibia. It was strange looking at it.
If you can sit on your knees you can really see how out of proportion your tibias are with your feet sticking out way back.
These things doesn't matter anyway. Enjoy your new height!
hehe, without you this forum wouldnt be fun))
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yeah brother, nice dance , you could pick up some girls in the clubs with those movements , proportions look nice even with lifts
thanx bro! but u know I'm in love....
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How can you be originally 5'3 and with lifts 5'10.
I am 5'6 Now and i was afraid to look unproportinate but looking at you i feel safe at 5'11.
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also how did your leg get so bent so i can avoid it.
And i assume you are latino nice moves btw. What do your dad say about you doing this surgery because i assume he is the height you was before. And seeing you getting taller must tell him subconciously that you feel being short is so fkin bad that you agreed to "butcher" your legs for a minor 3 inch increase.
Also how was the pain level during the lengthening process. Could you manage it with painkillers?.
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hey man, the topic of proportions, i dont know man, it is a personal thing, everyone has its own opinion, i personally think i look fine even when i walk at 177 with my lifts.
my father and mom are separated so i dont see him, he is 170, but i see him only once a year at the most, last time i saw him was 2 years ago, and last time i had lifts with me i was his height and even then he was a little surprised he said, you grew! i told him yeah maybe i did and maybe you also got shorter with age hahaha.
yeah im latino, thanx man! my moves are not there yet but it is not so bad, im getting there.
well, pain is hard to describe for everyone is different bro, i was able to do it so i guess i managed with pain killers. Some people don't so like my doc said, we all have different approach to pain.
about my bended leg, well, my doctor made a mistake and took my frame too soon I think, I also pushed him to please take y frames off!! so kinda feel a little guilty about it too.
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chilling after LL lol
http://youtu.be/0UHtBeSlruI
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Its amazing how large your upper body still looks compared to your legs after doing 9 cms, glad to see you enjoying life man.
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Your upper body is proportionate sure but your thighs look like stumps now.
Maybe you could really benefit from 6cm on your femurs and still look okey.
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Your upper body is proportionate sure but your thighs look like stumps now.
Maybe you could really benefit from 6cm on your femurs and still look okey.
I didnt notice it until you mentioned it, but yeah if you focus looking at the thighs they do look a bit weird because they are short.. I agree that femur lengthening would make it look better.
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Im sure 'everyday ordinary' people wont have a clue unless you strip nked in front of them but then if you did that odds are they'll be too busy calling the cops to even notice, as stated you only noticed it once somebody pointed it out, somebody who knows about LL. Everyday people dont know jack about LL so no one will know the difference.
RGKEY, you are lucky to have a slightly bigger torso and another 5-6 maybe 7 cms will still look good and your tibia/femur proportion will be perfect. Start saving up, you know you want to ;D
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You look really good! If I were you, I'd forget about a second surgery and just enjoy my life with my new height.
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Im sure 'everyday ordinary' people wont have a clue unless you strip nked in front of them but then if you did that odds are they'll be too busy calling the cops to even notice, as stated you only noticed it once somebody pointed it out, somebody who knows about LL. Everyday people dont know jack about LL so no one will know the difference.
RGKEY, you are lucky to have a slightly bigger torso and another 5-6 maybe 7 cms will still look good and your tibia/femur proportion will be perfect. Start saving up, you know you want to ;D
yeah true, also looking at this video, im thinking Rgkey must have looked more unproportional before his surgery, his torso must have looked enormous compared to his legs
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RGKEY you look great considering you did so much on your tibs. I don't think any normal people will notice the length of your femurs. It looks like you could easily do 7 cms on femurs and look very proportional.
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Double post >:(
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It seems that people here want u to do a second LL at any cost, if he's happy I can't see the reason, enjoy your life and make the best choice
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Lol haha. Thanks guys for your comments. The truth of the matter is that I feel completely proportional. I actually love my proportions. Only thing I dislike is my bowed leg, but it doesn't bother me as much as my fat stomach so I guess is not so bad. If I do femurs is not for proportion reasons at all! I would only do it to be taller. But honestly im enjoying my height and I would like the extra centemiters but im not so crazy about it. My girl has seem me nked and she thinks I look f**king awesome haha, but I guess she is my girl so what else can she say haha, but she definitely thinks im sexy haha her words not mine.
Some people only notice my height and say things like you look even taller, you look so much better, what happeny to you? Lol so so far only positive vomplemente from people. before some people asked me about my scars but now days they dont I guess Im very tanned. I think my proportions could handle more lengthening but unless i dont recover 100% i will not do any more LL. Or at least 90%
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Lol haha. Thanks guys for your comments. The truth of the matter is that I feel completely proportional. I actually love my proportions. Only thing I dislike is my bowed leg, but it doesn't bother me as much as my fat stomach so I guess is not so bad. If I do femurs is not for proportion reasons at all! I would only do it to be taller. But honestly im enjoying my height and I would like the extra centemiters but im not so crazy about it. My girl has seem me nked and she thinks I look f**king awesome haha, but I guess she is my girl so what else can she say haha, but she definitely thinks im sexy haha her words not mine.
Some people only notice my height and say things like you look even taller, you look so much better, what happeny to you? Lol so so far only positive vomplemente from people. before some people asked me about my scars but now days they dont I guess Im very tanned. I think my proportions could handle more lengthening but unless i dont recover 100% i will not do any more LL. Or at least 90%
Rgkey how does it feel walking for you right now? Is it difficult, especially outside with the uneven terrain? Particulary knees and ankles how do they handle it.
In my case i have little problem walking on flat surface but with uneven terrain like outside it can be quite difficult. People would notice immediately that i am injured somehow with how i look walking currently, even without frames :p
I guess in short, does your walking look normal when you are outside?
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In my case i have little problem walking on flat surface but with uneven terrain like outside it can be quite difficult. People would notice immediately that i am injured somehow with how i look walking currently, even without frames :p
Don't you have your frames on still? It takes 2 years to fully recover after frame removal, you shouldn't expect to walk normally so early :o
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Don't you have your frames on still? It takes 2 years to fully recover after frame removal, you shouldn't expect to walk normally so early :o
Yeah i have the frames on, i will probably be able to remove them one month from now, possibly i need a little more time for my left leg..
But im still walking close to normal on flat surfaces (ie inside buldings, floors) but i need to concentrate on walking to make it look normal otherwise i end up swaying a bit to each side and it looks stupid.
Outside, the terrain is almost never flat, but when it is close to flat i can walk pretty much as good as i can on flat floors in buildings. When there are more slopes etc, uneven terrain, then it becomes tougher for the ankles mainly, and the knee muscles have to work harder.
When i tried to walk normal speed on a road that was sloping a lot, i ended up injuring my ankle (probably a sprain or something because the ankle pins prevented my foot from bending sideways and it was there i had pain). Its healed now, but i dont want that to happen again because i couldnt walk properly for 3 days while it healed. So now i have to walk very slowly outside when the terrain is uneven..
Im hoping to be able to walk close to normal outside soon, otherwise people will know i did something to my legs even when im not wearing frames. I guess i could make up some injury excuse, but since they will notice me being taller and that i have been gone for so long, they would have to be quite stupid to not at least entertain the idea that i did some surgery on the legs...
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But im still walking close to normal on flat surfaces (ie inside buldings, floors) but i need to concentrate on walking to make it look normal otherwise i end up swaying a bit to each side and it looks stupid.
Well, your biomechanics changed, you'll need some time to adapt. Your muscules are also not in the best shape, and the frames also weight some, altering your gait.
Im hoping to be able to walk close to normal outside soon, otherwise people will know i did something to my legs even when im not wearing frames. I guess i could make up some injury excuse, but since they will notice me being taller and that i have been gone for so long, they would have to be quite stupid to not at least entertain the idea that i did some surgery on the legs...
Just tell them you had a growth spurt or they shrunk lol, sounds fishy, but I doubt they care much.
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Rgkey how does it feel walking for you right now? Is it difficult, especially outside with the uneven terrain? Particulary knees and ankles how do they handle it.
In my case i have little problem walking on flat surface but with uneven terrain like outside it can be quite difficult. People would notice immediately that i am injured somehow with how i look walking currently, even without frames :p
I guess in short, does your walking look normal when you are outside?
You just gotta give it time man, you lengthened very little, so you will be back to normal very very soon! no one will notice anything. I think my walking is not so great due to my bowed leg specially i think, but it is normal enough. I just went out on a date and even thou I mentioned to the girl that I had an accident on my legs, just to see if she said something but she didnt mention anything about my walking or anything about my legs at all. I also ask friends and they say now it looks fine, in the beginning they would say that I walk as if my legs hurt, but now days all seems fine.
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http://youtu.be/4PTul332mk0
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Lookin' quite normal except for the bowed leg, I agree.
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http://youtu.be/4PTul332mk0
This is how 9cm hero walks :D
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What pant inseam length do you now wear, RGKEY? You must have looked quite disproportionate before surgery, because now you really look amazingly well proportioned! Also, all the weight loss since your first videos is definitely noticeable. Nice work!
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This
Lookin' quite normal except for the bowed leg, I agree.
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Nobody will notice your long tibia/stumpy thighs, you look fine.
They will notice your left leg.
It will also give you serious back pain in some years. You tend to swing to the sides when you walk.
This will be devastating for you when running.
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yeah true, also looking at this video, im thinking Rgkey must have looked more unproportional before his surgery, his torso must have looked enormous compared to his legs
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120423033926/hanna-barbera/images/2/24/Johnny_Bravo.jpg)
Glad to see that you are enjoying life :) Your proportions look perfect. No one will notice your leg proportions when you have shorts on. I dont think a second surgery will be necessary but you can pull off another 4-5 cm on your femurs if you are thinking of doing femurs as well.
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Jonny bravo haha! Yeah I kinda looked like that before surgery very disproportinal. My mother used to say dont go to the gym and stay skinny cuz your legs look very small lol
I use now size 30-30 even 30-32 still looks fine. im not gonna lie thou if i did 5 in femurs ill be size 30-34 that would be nice having long muscular legs eventually haha. But im not so crazy about this thought yet lol plus im also 30 years old and no ofense but I want to enjoy my 30ies even if im not tall but im ok now i feel.
My bowed leg yeah it must be fixed eventually. Maybe next year Ill get it fixed. Hopefully
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this is how I spend my day, oh god!! now everyone will notice my disproportions!! lol
(http://i.imgur.com/lKIPHLGl.jpg)
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u really look normal
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It's an amazing picture. It looks really normal, nothing strange at all.
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u look great even if u try to hide it as much as u can ;D
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wow amazing shot. Would never suspect you having LL and even if i did. You did it right you know.
There are surgeries where you just face palm and then there is "niiiceee".
You give me hope rkey i look at you walking at the shining pool and you make LL not seem that bad like the other posters do. I automatically get a depressing feeing in my head when i read those journeys. But not with your diary.
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Hey Tim: The guy can not run. His walking is way off and he needs corrective surgery.
And you're happy with that? :o
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Is this really an after photo from 9cm? I agree that you look in proportion. You must have had disproportionately short tibiae before. My feet now protrude well past during this kneel, and I only did 6cm. I think you're lengthening of 9cm was not excessive in your case, but your deformity is really bad. I remember seeing an x-ray of yours a while ago and it showed the bone really bent. You said the doc told you it was fine because the ankle and knee were aligned, but I think they might have deceived you. Will they fix it for you?
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Is this really an after photo from 9cm? I agree that you look in proportion. You must have had disproportionately short tibiae before. My feet now protrude well past during this kneel, and I only did 6cm. I think you're lengthening of 9cm was not excessive in your case, but your deformity is really bad. I remember seeing an x-ray of yours a while ago and it showed the bone really bent. You said the doc told you it was fine because the ankle and knee were aligned, but I think they might have deceived you. Will they fix it for you?
no he doesn't look in proportion, he hides them, u can see that his tibias go way past his a.ss
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His feet do a little, but the tibiae themselves do not. Most people after doing this will have feet that are well beyond the thigh and look like they're not a part of the person's body.
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sorry to disappoint you guys but don't make my proportions fool you, in any case, you will do your LL and decide by your self how much lengthening you want to do, you will see it everyday and just make a decision from it. no i can not run, and my walking after awhile is ok i think but my bowed leg makes it look not as good as before, i dont think is noticeable to the public eye, unless i specifically tell them about it.
2 nights ago i went to a night club and pulled a girl in about 15 minutes we went to her apartment and you know))))) SWEDISH GIRL!! she actually approached me and said "you and your friend are really cute" hahaha first time that has happened to me in a club. I had experiences with swedish girls been fiendly and easy to game but this was epic pickup, well she kinda picked me up. now the funny s**t is that I had my lifts about 6 cms, when we went to her apartment i had to take off my shoes, and well i did, but she didn't notice anything strange, well she also took off her high heels. She saw my scars and bowed legs and guess what!? yes she still f**k me with a passion...
so no i can not run, yes my leg is bowed, and my walk is off, and my tibias go behind my ass and when i sit i look cartoonish lol....but guess what...i still get laid by hot women like a motha f**ka!)))
interesting, wat do u mean i try to hide something,, hide what?? just wondering
this is tonight with my bro from NY, i never thought i would never be that close to his height!! I see it and I dont believe it hahaaha!!! he is 178 in one of the gay pictures Im posting it so u can really see how cartoonish and unproportional I look with my lifts, really bad uh!?? lol yeah really bad I guess. btw, today i fking killed it in da club, so much fun! my legs are so tired now
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When Swedish girls are on their holiday they become real sluts. Anyone can pull them off. It's like they become sluts just bc they won't get a bad reputation like they would back home.
Where was the party?
It's not my intention to make you feel bad or anything.
Most likely she wouldn't have choose you if you were short.
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Good job RGKEY, you really benefited from LL. And don't listen to this guys who talk about your proportions, wingspan is not really important in your case because you have really broad shoulders and you look good! They are all mad because you don't have a personality disorder like them, you actually can enjoy your life, so keep doing that!
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hehe actually she lives in NY, she is an English teacher for rich kids, so she is not on vacations at all. Her parents are swedish, I think she was born there but been in the US more than I have i think. Perhaps she would not have approached me if I was shorter maybe but If i wanted her I would have taken her home anyway even at 165, i say so just because i have done it before not because of speculations. It was a club, she was with her friends celebrating someone's birthday, it was on thursday night.
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hahaha yeah I don't suffer of personality disorder, but im kinda crazy thou or a genius hahaha
I like what Oldie... (i forgot all his name) from the old forum says:
if you are happy with your life and still want to do LL you should do LL but if not you probably shouldn't do it, it won't make you any happier.
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Always been a fan of you and your diary RGKEY, great contribution to the forum.
Dont listen to people trying to put you down on here, in saying that though you really dont need to constantly give examples or bring up your one night stands and girls coming on to you to prove how great your life is going, its pointless and just turns into boasting the more you bring it up. I remember a few weeks back you said you had a girlfriend, Im assuming it ended? lol. Seriously, your private life is exactly that, your private life
But honestly you look great besides from the one bowed leg which you can clearly see in one of the pictures even under jeans, other than that you look great, amazing and could do another surgery and get to 178 as you are in the pictures and still look good. I think you should concentrate more on fixing the bowleg and recovery rather than the need to bring up your sex life or how much game you have atm to support your claims of how wonderful your life is going on atm to these people on here talking trash about you. Screw them, you dont need to prove anything to anyone, as long as life is going great for you then who cares what people on here think
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Love your posts RG! Don't change a thing!!
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I personally have nothing to prove, I like to share my life because it amuses me peoples reaction and also if im able yo change even one person perspective of life then I will feel good about it. I have a happy life and had ot too. I have my difficult times qhen I cry on my pillow I have times of awesomes, loneliness etc.. but I always find the light and I wish the same for everyone.. LIFE IS A BIG ORGASM. If people can love me or hate me I will be equally excited about it!!!
Yeah I broke up with my girl, the distance thing wasn't working, now my mission is yo get over her, watever it takes!
These forums really entertains me and talking to you all is fun and good for me, because I believe that many of the existential conflicts might have somehow I have them too, only dofference is that I reconize them embrace them and don't let them control my life.
I like when people critize me, try to push me down even when they think they are being constructive, I like all thse because it helps me to understand my emotions and when people are awesome to me the sames, it also helps .e to appreciate it but not get stuck in this high hypes of positivism. So at the end of the day it's all good!)) It's all welcome. And im very selfish person, because all I do I do it for my own interest and pleasure and everyone should be the same. Even when I help I do it because it makes me feel good.
I think somehow im part woman cuz I give too much importance to my emotions lol
So back to the girl, girls and pussy is very important in my life!!! And I will not stop with it until my desire for it has ended. And when it does I will ask my self why. I think most guys settle down with one girl cuz they are cowards and don't want to go with the pain that takes datting hot amazing girls. GUYS WE ARE WAY TO INVESTED IN OUR OWN EGO!!! AND ME TOO!! BUT ONE DAY I WILL KILL THAT MOTHA fkA!!! EGO EQUALS UNHAPPINESS!! IS THE BIGGEST OBSTACLE IN LIFE
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I don't think your proportions look bad at all. What is your sitting height?
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Don't know it
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so my sitting height is roughly 91 cms
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Wow, that's really good. You could go to 178 easily.
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Wow, that's really good. You could go to 178 easily.
lol i dont know about that haha thatll be nice thou
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I know this is a little irrelevant to my LL experience but in a way it has to do with my life post LL lol
So im feeling like s**t today!!! all sentimental and s**t!!!!!! f**k!!! so for the last 2 weeks i have been with 3 girls and I feel like s**t!! i miss my ex girlfriend so f**king much!! i think been with other girls without a real connection make things worse for me, i thought i would feel better, well i did while i was doing it but afterwards it was terrible, because it was nothing compared to what I had with my ex!! our relationship was so amazing such a strong connection, just great!! So i feel like crying today!! im heart broken, tomorrow will be another day a and a better one I hope. My legs still stiff and the mornings aare rough when standing up. I dont even have real desire to talk to any girl at all, but then again I think im just letting my self down because it is easier, next week i will make a big effort to keep my mind busy. Sometimes i dont know what is worst, having no girls at all or having girl problem such mine, heart broken and s**t,,, well i have been in both sides and i just dont know. when i have no girls, then at nights i would just masturbate and think about my ex and feel like a completely loser!! but then having meaningless sex is awful afterwards cuz you feel like u will never find such amazing connection as you did with that girl!! so both are bad! on the positive side, im glad that i have such problem and it could be a lot worst
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Hey bro I understand how you feel, Even though height might be a problem of the past, we still just like everyone else have to deal with these more common problems like girls and relationships..
I dont know why your relationship with that girl didnt last, but seeing other girls even if it isnt for sex would be a good idea, maybe try to meet new people and make new friends, do activities etc, stuff unrelated to the relationship to keep you busy.
I have a problem too that i cant stop thinking about a certain girl (though in my case its not love or deep connection, more like it doesnt feel finished)..but im sure it will be way easier to deal with this when i can start living like normal again, even if i never see her again.
Basically this girl i met about 2 years ago, she met me when i wasnt even close to my potential, and of course she saw me as a friend because i wasnt good enough back then for anything more. I broke contact with her eventually because she was quite disrespectful at times, she tried very hard to get me back, trying to adulate/flatter me alot but i kept my distance because i didnt want her to see me until i was taller (and of course with the height problem gone i would have started to dress better and work out to get a better body)
Now it has been so long and she has stopped contacting me, and i think im to proud to get in touch with her because she might try to act "Hard to get" now as som sort of payback. But i want her to at least see me in person once again so she will notice that im not short without knowing how it happened. If leg lengthening didnt take such an awful long time i would have been able to finish this experience with her already.
I just have to hope i run into her some day..
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Hey bro I understand how you feel, Even though height might be a problem of the past, we still just like everyone else have to deal with these more common problems like girls and relationships..
I dont know why your relationship with that girl didnt last, but seeing other girls even if it isnt for sex would be a good idea, maybe try to meet new people and make new friends, do activities etc, stuff unrelated to the relationship s**t to keep you busy.
I have a problem too that i cant stop thinking about a certain girl (though in my case its not love or deep connection, more like it doesnt feel finished)..but im sure it will be way easier to deal with this when i can start living like normal again, even if i never see her again.
Basically this girl i met about 2 years ago, she met me when i wasnt even close to my potential, and of course she saw me as a friend because i wasnt good enough back then for anything more. I broke contact with her eventually because she was quite disrespectful at times, she tried very hard to get me back, trying to adulate/flatter me alot but i kept my distance because i didnt want her to see me until i was taller (and of course with the height problem gone i would have started to dress better and work out to get a better body)
Now it has been so long and she has stopped contacting me, and i think im to proud to get in touch with her because she might try to act "Hard to get" now as som sort of payback. But i want her to at least see me in person once again so she will notice that im not short without knowing how it happened. If leg lengthening didnt take such an awful long time i would have been able to finish this experience with her already.
I just have to hope i run into her some day..
yes you will man, she probably feels similar to you, and im sure that the fact that you are avoiding her is killing her!! she prob wats you even more!!! so if you see her again and she is still single she will be all over you!!! and ull be taller nicer and more secure about ur self, win win situation. Just dont let ur self been stock with only this girl as im trying to do the same. so thank you man for your words!)) I appreciate them! u r right i need to do that. and my relationship finished because of the whole long distance situation, since she was in Russia and even if we marry she still needed another year to finish university do it was too much!((( anyway the past is the past
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yes you will man, she probably feels similar to you, and im sure that the fact that you are avoiding her is killing her!! she prob wats you even more!!! so if you see her again and she is still single she will be all over you!!! and ull be taller nicer and more secure about ur self, win win situation. Just dont let ur self been stock with only this girl as im trying to do the same. so thank you man for your words!)) I appreciate them! u r right i need to do that. and my relationship finished because of the whole long distance situation, since she was in Russia and even if we marry she still needed another year to finish university do it was too much!((( anyway the past is the past
Yeah it is possible :P, im sure she still thinks about me from time to time, but unlike me she is able to move on since she is free to do whatever she wants, like traveling and stuff. Right now she is abroad with her friends enjoying life..She also has so many friends and im sure many dudes are hitting on her :p
First impressions are hard to change when it comes to girls..even though i would have changed a whole lot physically, it doesnt change the fact that she friendzoned me when we first met and as we all know its hard to get out of that.
One important thing though is that she has really bad eye sight (she said so herself) and i only had one quite bad photo of me on facebook when we first met, and we only met in person about 5 or 6 times, while mostly talking a lot on the phone and stuff. So i dont think she even properly knew how my face looked back then to be honest xD my skin is more healthy now too (i had some pimples in bad spots back then too)
After i stopped seeing her i added some way better photos to my facebook and i know im easily on her level in terms of facial aesthetics. She started to adulate me around this time, complimenting my looks and stuff (saying i had seductive eyes and stuff) but despite of that im almost sure she still only wanted me as a close friend lol..since she still has the image of me as shorter than average and skinny xp...
Although, im sure even if she found me very attractive when she saw the new me, she would be to scared to try to flirt with me since she is afraid i would reject her as payback, and i think i would be to proud to show interest in her again after i already got rejected...
Okey man i understand why that would have been difficult with the long distance thing.. you seem to love russian girls (i agree they seem awesome, great looks and personality) maybe you should consider moving there? (although its cold)
Anyway im sure you will get over it, you dont seem to have any problem attracting girls my friend, you will find someone even better, and i think it will happen when you are not even looking for it!
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Yeah it is possible :P, im sure she still thinks about me from time to time, but unlike me she is able to move on since she is free to do whatever she wants, like traveling and stuff. Right now she is abroad with her friends enjoying life..She also has so many friends and im sure many dudes are hitting on her :p
First impressions are hard to change when it comes to girls..even though i would have changed a whole lot physically, it doesnt change the fact that she friendzoned me when we first met and as we all know its hard to get out of that.
One important thing though is that she has really bad eye sight (she said so herself) and i only had one quite bad photo of me on facebook when we first met, and we only met in person about 5 or 6 times, while mostly talking a lot on the phone and stuff. So i dont think she even properly knew how my face looked back then to be honest xD my skin is more healthy now too (i had some pimples in bad spots back then too)
After i stopped seeing her i added some way better photos to my facebook and i know im easily on her level in terms of facial aesthetics. She started to adulate me around this time, complimenting my looks and stuff (saying i had seductive eyes and stuff) but despite of that im almost sure she still only wanted me as a close friend lol..since she still has the image of me as shorter than average and skinny xp...
Although, im sure even if she found me very attractive when she saw the new me, she would be to scared to try to flirt with me since she is afraid i would reject her as payback, and i think i would be to proud to show interest in her again after i already got rejected...
Okey man i understand why that would have been difficult with the long distance thing.. you seem to love russian girls (i agree they seem awesome, great looks and personality) maybe you should consider moving there? (although its cold)
Anyway im sure you will get over it, you dont seem to have any problem attracting girls my friend, you will find someone even better, and i think it will happen when you are not even looking for it!
Dont fantasize about scenarios like that for all you know she might not even remember you and has been banged my multiple guys already and is living life to the fullest and then you at a measly 5'10 is not gonna wow her unless you got a body to match what you want to achieve.
Or she might be mad into you we dont know but stop worrying about these stuff you are already past the hard part now is the time to relax back and just enjoy the ride.
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Dont fantasize about scenarios like that for all you know she might not even remember you and has been banged my multiple guys already and is living life to the fullest and then you at a measly 5'10 is not gonna wow her unless you got a body to match what you want to achieve.
Or she might be mad into you we dont know but stop worrying about these stuff you are already past the hard part now is the time to relax back and just enjoy the ride.
Yeah i know there is no way to know for sure, all i know is that she tried really really hard, suk up to me to get me back for the duration of over 6 months, i responded of course but i was quite cold and distant. Then i said something which im sure was a bit hurtful to her, and then she stopped contacting me, although she did *like* some photos i put up on fb even after that..
I can almost guarantee she is still thinking about me, although it could easily be negative thoughts since i technically ditched her, although she knew she had it coming after how she behaved at times.
And yeah i think probably she has had some other dudes during this time since it is so easy for girls, but i know she is single and she isnt that type of girl who sleeps around a lot (she doesnt even drink at all at parties/clubs).
without sounding to much like a douche I can say for sure that im very different from most guys out there though (im adopted and my ethnicity is very rare in Sweden), i have a very masculine face, a very dark voice and i would say my features are very good and very unique. She can definitely find conventionally better looking dudes but they would all be very different from me, she will have a very hard time finding something similar at least.
But like i said, the only reason im thinking about her so much is because i couldnt finish it because of LL taking so long, and because im unable to pursue other girls in my current condition, much will be different when i get out of these frames.
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Yeah i know there is no way to know for sure, all i know is that she tried really really hard, suk up to me to get me back for the duration of over 6 months, i responded of course but i was quite cold and distant. Then i said something which im sure was a bit hurtful to her, and then she stopped contacting me, although she did *like* some photos i put up on fb even after that..
I can almost guarantee she is still thinking about me, although it could easily be negative thoughts since i technically ditched her, although she knew she had it coming after how she behaved at times.
And yeah i think probably she has had some other dudes during this time since it is so easy for girls, but i know she is single and she isnt that type of girl who sleeps around a lot (she doesnt even drink at all at parties/clubs).
without sounding to much like a douche I can say for sure that im very different from most guys out there though (im adopted and my ethnicity is very rare in Sweden), i have a very masculine face, a very dark voice and i would say my features are very good and very unique. She can definitely find conventionally better looking dudes but they would all be very different from me, she will have a very hard time finding something similar at least.
But like i said, the only reason im thinking about her so much is because i couldnt finish it because of LL taking so long, and because im unable to pursue other girls in my current condition, much will be different when i get out of these frames.
well atleast you are not me attracting more guys then girls. Androgynous face fml. Would love that masculine jaw xD
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well atleast you are not me attracting more guys then girls. Androgynous face fml. Would love that masculine jaw xD
Well if you become tall through LL and bulk up, that is enough to be considered manly to most girls even if your face isnt that masculine, some girls prefer guys with more balanced features too, Justin Bieber almost looks like a girl and he is still considered super hot by millions (lol i dont care if he is famous he cant even sing any good)
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HEY GIANT!:-)) TODAY ANOTHER DAY FEELING BETTER)) I HOPE YOU TOO
For wat i read on one of your posts, it seems to me that you werent taking control of the situation with that girl, even if she was very atracted to you and even willing to date you, most girls wont take any steps, you have to lead them into it. Very rarely girls will come up front and do the seducing job for you, they will go as far as "oh you are nice" "you are cute, attractive" and that is it my friend, if a girl tells you that then you are in a safe position, all you need to do is just to escalate things physically and verbally so you dont get stuck in friend zone. Girls have to much pressure to be judge or to be seem as easy girls, girls hate that and for that reason would never reconized s**t verbally and might even reject you verbally even when her actions indicate so much interest on you. So as long as she gives you compliance then you are good. Yeah I'm also sure I will find the a nice one for me when the time is right. I invested a lot on leaning about girls and their screwed up minds hahaha, but it was all worthy
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4 MONTHS POST LL, LIFE @ 9CMS TALLER
http://youtu.be/1MXzHy09cYo
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Great, nice agility, any pain now?
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Yeah i know there is no way to know for sure, all i know is that she tried really really hard, suk up to me to get me back for the duration of over 6 months, i responded of course but i was quite cold and distant. Then i said something which im sure was a bit hurtful to her, and then she stopped contacting me, although she did *like* some photos i put up on fb even after that..
I can almost guarantee she is still thinking about me, although it could easily be negative thoughts since i technically ditched her, although she knew she had it coming after how she behaved at times.
And yeah i think probably she has had some other dudes during this time since it is so easy for girls, but i know she is single and she isnt that type of girl who sleeps around a lot (she doesnt even drink at all at parties/clubs).
without sounding to much like a douche I can say for sure that im very different from most guys out there though (im adopted and my ethnicity is very rare in Sweden), i have a very masculine face, a very dark voice and i would say my features are very good and very unique. She can definitely find conventionally better looking dudes but they would all be very different from me, she will have a very hard time finding something similar at least.
But like i said, the only reason im thinking about her so much is because i couldnt finish it because of LL taking so long, and because im unable to pursue other girls in my current condition, much will be different when i get out of these frames.
I admire your confidence bro. You'll be just fine.
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4 MONTHS POST LL, LIFE @ 9CMS TALLER
http://youtu.be/1MXzHy09cYo
Bro, you're looking better than ever! Your arms and upper body look jacked and you're clearly a skiLL Forumul salsero. You give me hope bro. Only 4 more months to go before I join the crew at Dr. Barinov's facility. It's good for us all to see you doing so well. Thanks for posting this.
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Great, nice agility, any pain now?
yes in the mornings especially
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Bro, you're looking better than ever! Your arms and upper body look jacked and you're clearly a skiLL Forumul salsero. You give me hope bro. Only 4 more months to go before I join the crew at Dr. Barinov's facility. It's good for us all to see you doing so well. Thanks for posting this.
hehe thanx bro!! yeah im trying hard, working out every day)))
4 months? wow! good luck there my friend!!
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Can u describe it?
yes in the mornings especially
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Can u describe it?
lot of stiffness, like If the day before i had the work out of my life.
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HEY GIANT!:-)) TODAY ANOTHER DAY FEELING BETTER)) I HOPE YOU TOO
For wat i read on one of your posts, it seems to me that you werent taking control of the situation with that girl, even if she was very atracted to you and even willing to date you, most girls wont take any steps, you have to lead them into it. Very rarely girls will come up front and do the seducing job for you, they will go as far as "oh you are nice" "you are cute, attractive" and that is it my friend, if a girl tells you that then you are in a safe position, all you need to do is just to escalate things physically and verbally so you dont get stuck in friend zone. Girls have to much pressure to be judge or to be seem as easy girls, girls hate that and for that reason would never reconized s**t verbally and might even reject you verbally even when her actions indicate so much interest on you. So as long as she gives you compliance then you are good. Yeah I'm also sure I will find the a nice one for me when the time is right. I invested a lot on leaning about girls and their screwed up minds hahaha, but it was all worthy
Thanks man, i appreciate other peoples take on this, btw your dancing looks really good, great mobility!
Well she most likely had some physical attraction to me, but not enough to want to date me, at least not initially. There where other dudes around who where taller, buffer and dressed better so she probably noticed i was lacking a bit in those areas. Personality is important too and she enjoyed hanging out with me, but pretty girls these days want the whole package you know.
She also used the argument when she frienzoned me, that if you are intimate with someone, usually you lose contact pretty soon with that person, and she wanted to have me in her life for a loong time. This is what she said although i dont believe it 100%, if i was attractive enough to her at that point she would most likely have gone for it anyway, so its mainly an excuse to not make me upset lol.
She was nice at times and slightly flirty, but she was also disrespectful many times, calling me to come meet her at clubs reaally late before i could even prepare or invite some of my own friends, and then when i met her she would sometimes dissappear in the club and hang out with some other friends she knew there, and returned to me when she was bored kind of. She probably thought she did me a great service to let me hang out with her (lol) since she had so many more friends than i did and she was very popular unlike me.
Im really curious if she has changed her manners after i ditched her, im thinking she might have since she probably never expected me to leave, and this might have been a wake up call for her. Even regardless of me being taller or not she might have treated me more respectfully if i came back, but i didnt want to risk feeling inadequate around her anymore, i wanted it to be obvious that i was on the same level next time i see her, and with height and more muscle and better clothes, i know im easily on that level despite not being as popular.
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I admire your confidence bro. You'll be just fine.
Thanks bro, yeah i think so too, just sad having to spend so much time thinking about it and not being able to act and see what happens, this way if it went bad i could at least move on, and if it went good then well i will most likely never know if my improved looks was the reason, but i wont be complaining. :P
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This has to be one of the best "diaries" I've read on here!
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Thanks man, i appreciate other peoples take on this, btw your dancing looks really good, great mobility!
Well she most likely had some physical attraction to me, but not enough to want to date me, at least not initially. There where other dudes around who where taller, buffer and dressed better so she probably noticed i was lacking a bit in those areas. Personality is important too and she enjoyed hanging out with me, but pretty girls these days want the whole package you know.
She also used the argument when she frienzoned me, that if you are intimate with someone, usually you lose contact pretty soon with that person, and she wanted to have me in her life for a loong time. This is what she said although i dont believe it 100%, if i was attractive enough to her at that point she would most likely have gone for it anyway, so its mainly an excuse to not make me upset lol.
She was nice at times and slightly flirty, but she was also disrespectful many times, calling me to come meet her at clubs reaally late before i could even prepare or invite some of my own friends, and then when i met her she would sometimes dissappear in the club and hang out with some other friends she knew there, and returned to me when she was bored kind of. She probably thought she did me a great service to let me hang out with her (lol) since she had so many more friends than i did and she was very popular unlike me.
Im really curious if she has changed her manners after i ditched her, im thinking she might have since she probably never expected me to leave, and this might have been a wake up call for her. Even regardless of me being taller or not she might have treated me more respectfully if i came back, but i didnt want to risk feeling inadequate around her anymore, i wanted it to be obvious that i was on the same level next time i see her, and with height and more muscle and better clothes, i know im easily on that level despite not being as popular.
you might disagree with me but she wasn't into you not for your physic but because you lacked of escalation man. many hot girls i dated, well exactly 4 lol, didn't think i was that attractive, before me they only dated tall buffed man, but i manage to get them and they fallen in love with me. This girl im sure if she is single she will be interested in you because you ditched her!! that os for sure, hot girls like her live for the attention and approval of men, and when they dont get that they go nuts! they go crazy!! and will start chasing you trust me haha girls that i dated before that were really hot, i asked them why were your ex boyfriends tall and handsome and they always told me that for the most part only tall and handsome men approach them, not little dudes like me lol and the little ones were usually creepy and s**t haha, so true!
for the most part hot girls get a lot of attention from guys and they reject most guys that give them the same s**t like everyone else. but paradoxically they can not live without tho attention, so when they find a guy who does not give a s**t about them like all dudes they flip and do all they can to get his attention.
Anyway good luck there bro. i have my own issues, sometimes i get too much in my head about my looks and i lose confidence and that s**t stops me a lot to do many things, i know it's all in my head but well i wont let that s**t control my life lol
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This has to be one of the best "diaries" I've read on here!
lol
so you want to go from 171 to 180... that is great!
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you might disagree with me but she wasn't into you not for your physic but because you lacked of escalation man. many hot girls i dated, well exactly 4 lol, didn't think i was that attractive, before me they only dated tall buffed man, but i manage to get them and they fallen in love with me. This girl im sure if she is single she will be interested in you because you ditched her!! that os for sure, hot girls like her live for the attention and approval of men, and when they dont get that they go nuts! they go crazy!! and will start chasing you trust me haha girls that i dated before that were really hot, i asked them why were your ex boyfriends tall and handsome and they always told me that for the most part only tall and handsome men approach them, not little dudes like me lol and the little ones were usually creepy and s**t haha, so true!
for the most part hot girls get a lot of attention from guys and they reject most guys that give them the same s**t like everyone else. but paradoxically they can not live without tho attention, so when they find a guy who does not give a s**t about them like all dudes they flip and do all they can to get his attention.
Anyway good luck there bro. i have my own issues, sometimes i get too much in my head about my looks and i lose confidence and that s**t stops me a lot to do many things, i know it's all in my head but well i wont let that s**t control my life lol
You could be right, i know some girls act like you describe for sure, but every case and person is different so im not so sure :p I appreciate your points though bro! It makes me feel a bit more positive about the whole situation
For example when we just met and maybe saw each other once or twice in school, she would be flirty and focus more attention on those taller and better dressed guys, i wasnt trying to get her attention either to be fair since i assumed she was a bimbo and very superficial, but she kept calling me and talking to me, although without showing much sexual interest. It was only later she did a few things that could be considered flirting and i was a bit flirty back with her, but before i could really tell her outright that i wanted to date her, she ended up hooking up with a random dude i knew from school she just met.. the reason i found out about it is because she asked me if he was a nice guy, she wanted to know because he was on his way to her house. Only after that happened did i tell her that i was upset about that since i liked her, and she kind of thought i did but hoped we could just be friends. I eventually agreed to be her friend because i didnt want to lose her from my life at first and also because i knew i had higher potential in terms of looks compared to the guy she hooked up with.
And it worked a little but she kept taking me for granted and it was obvious i got less respect from her than other more popular guys when we where out, she was quite distant towards memost of the time when i met her in person with a few exceptions, she slept over at my house one time (she asked me if she could because she was feeling a bit down and wanted to hang out) we watched a movie but nothing happened because i didnt want to risk getting rejected again, maybe that was stupid. She was nice and flirty on the phone and complimented me but it was definitely "friendly" stuff and nothing sexual.
Eventually i was fed up with her inconsistent behaviour, the breaking point was when i invited her to a party because we hadnt seen each other for long and i knew she was going away for a month to another country with her BFF. She told me that she might be able to make it. She ended up calling me really late the evening of the party and telling me that she was a the train railway station and that she couldnt stay for the party but wanted to say hi for a few minutes. I was a bit disappointed but didnt make a big deal out of it and when i met her i asked why she couldnt stay, then she said she was going to sleep over at a friends house but didnt want to tell me who it was, eventually i realized she was going to sleep over at that guys house (the guy she hooked up with earlier) because he lives in the same district as i do, and she was going to take the train to that station.
After she knew that she couldnt hide it, she became a bit defensive and i tried to not show anger, but i was quite passive aggressive and when she tried to change subject i obliged but my attitude was arrogant at this point towards her and i acted like i didnt care, i was like: well go ahead take the train, i have other things to do, and i left to go back to the party. She knew she had been completely disrespectful towards me but she didnt dare to try to make it right even, but you could tell she was distressed because she knew she f**ked up.
After that i never called her on messaged her again, she tried to call me many many times but only after a bit over a month some time after she got back from the trip did i respond to her but i was very cold. I also knew she stopped seeing that other guy because she removed him from facebook. Im pretty sure it was her who removed him because guys usually dont bother with that, at least i dont, the previous girls ive slept with, i dont remove them from my facebook even if i stop seeing them, but occasionally they have done that to me :p
at this point she spent the next many months of trying to adulate me and make me forgive her, although she never wanted to discuss or even bring up the subject of what happened that evening, she tried to avoid that and only try to say flattering things and asking how i was doing and stuff, hoping i would forgive and forget about how she treated me before.
of course over this time i improved a lot of things about my appearance and most importantly my status and facebook pictures improved, as mentioned earlier the whole time when i spent time with her i only had like 1 or 2 photos and they where pretty bad, and she had very bad eye sight too and most of the time we met where in clubs, so she probably didnt have much of a physical attraction in the beginning..but i think for sure she started to find me attractive afterwards, and also probably mentally since she knew i was a good guy and was nice towards her and made her laugh all the time, but she had been disrespectful. Its obvious she had regret but was to much of a coward to bring up the subject and apologise. So her flattery had no effect on me. But she stopped calling me after i said something hurtful towards her, she probably thinks i dont care about her at all at this point. And she has a bit of an ego as well so even if she wanted to talk to me she would probably contain herself from doing it now.
Well, im sure she would find me very physically attractive if she saw the taller more muscular and better dressed version of me which i will soon become, but after all this time and negative experiences betweent us, and since first impressions are still important, im not sure if there is any possibility for us. I do know that i had some great moments with her, and her looks are completely ideal for me too..and i also like the fact that she talks a lot, so i dont have too. I write a lot on this forum, but in real life among people, i always prefer letting other people talk so i dont have to do it as much :P
Sorry for the long post, but its a sad case and i felt the need to give you the whole picture now that i already brought it up. I dont want to clutter you diary with to many posts of my past social life lol
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I'm too lazy to read all that, good luck
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Hey RGKEY, zen master of the art of picking up hot women, hope things are going great for you.
I was wondering if you could share some of your wisdom, tricks and tactics for constantly escalating sexual attraction and sexual tension during interaction with women (once it's pretty clear that they have feelings for you) in a way that's subtle and blatantly obvious, effective, and not creepy.
I'm starting salsa lessons soon so maybe that'll help me follow in your footsteps haha.
Your latest videos are quite impressive. Even if you hadn't done LL, I'd be impressed by those moves.
Hope to hear from you soon! Gracias amigo!
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Hey RGKEY, zen master of the art of picking up hot women, hope things are going great for you.
I was wondering if you could share some of your wisdom, tricks and tactics for constantly escalating sexual attraction and sexual tension during interaction with women (once it's pretty clear that they have feelings for you) in a way that's subtle and blatantly obvious, effective, and not creepy.
I'm starting salsa lessons soon so maybe that'll help me follow in your footsteps haha.
Your latest videos are quite impressive. Even if you hadn't done LL, I'd be impressed by those moves.
Hope to hear from you soon! Gracias amigo!
Hahahaha, I hope you are joking. This can't be serious...
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Hey RGKEY, zen master of the art of picking up hot women, hope things are going great for you.
I was wondering if you could share some of your wisdom, tricks and tactics for constantly escalating sexual attraction and sexual tension during interaction with women (once it's pretty clear that they have feelings for you) in a way that's subtle and blatantly obvious, effective, and not creepy.
I'm starting salsa lessons soon so maybe that'll help me follow in your footsteps haha.
Your latest videos are quite impressive. Even if you hadn't done LL, I'd be impressed by those moves.
Hope to hear from you soon! Gracias amigo!
just be natural
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Sorry for the long post, but its a sad case and i felt the need to give you the whole picture now that i already brought it up. I dont want to clutter you diary with to many posts of my past social life lol
lol
never apologize for anything that you do brother)))) if you do it is for a reason)))) i appreciate you sharing your story
all i can tell you from my experience with women similar to the one you describe is that they will always test you, fking all the time!!! my last ex GF one example hahaha, so yeah you just gotta learn to never take personal be icy and never react to their . girls subconsciously crave for a man with big balls and who is able to handle their roller coaster of emotions lol anyway i hope you get to have a lot more experiences and learn from them.
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Hey RGKEY, zen master of the art of picking up hot women, hope things are going great for you.
I was wondering if you could share some of your wisdom, tricks and tactics for constantly escalating sexual attraction and sexual tension during interaction with women (once it's pretty clear that they have feelings for you) in a way that's subtle and blatantly obvious, effective, and not creepy.
I'm starting salsa lessons soon so maybe that'll help me follow in your footsteps haha.
Your latest videos are quite impressive. Even if you hadn't done LL, I'd be impressed by those moves.
Hope to hear from you soon! Gracias amigo!
haha thanx man! yeah i cant still dance 100 percent but im trying!
there are many tricks and s**t but most important is for you to feel comfortable in your own skin, be icy and be in control without being needy or creepy.
avoid asking many questions, try to talk in statements, make assumption even if u r wrong is fine so their ego will try to correct you and they will end up qualifying them self. reward behavior that you like, break rapport and sugar code it again, go for the high 5, the hug, the holding hands, move them to different locations as possible so they feel comfortable with you leading the situation. and yes be "natural" "be your self" but most people are not!!!!! so that is kinda bulls**t at the beginning because you will have so much anxiety and nervous talking to a girl that it will be impossible to be your self. until you can truly be your self without giving a s**t what people say try to follow a system. Im far far away from being a master!! i wish, i know the technics i just need to improve my inner game, the way i feel my self, and for that i need to practice a lot to just not give a s**t any more what people think of what i do.
so i would suggest you to talk to girls as much as possible, even you creep them all out is better than doing nothing about it, try different things, get f**k offs and blow outs, it's normal, enjoy the process, have fun, make a joke out of it, dont let other people perseption of you stop you. live your own reality, realize u will not live forever, so u better start living ur life now my friend with what you have.
if u get very nervous talking to girls and cant approach, talk to everyone, to dudes, to old ladies, it is belive it or not the same , obviously with dudes u will not escalate sexually but u can practice ur conversation skills with total strangers!))
i think i was always an awesome guy, and i thought i was being my self, but in reality girls didnt see it and i couldnt get girls, so everytime i got a nice girfriend i would think oh she is the love of my life, and i was jealous needy and even controling because i was afraid to lose them. because deep inside i fear i couldnt get another awesome girl. there was a time when i was very bad with girls and yes it was because i was too needy of them, and trust me girls can sense that s**t miles away!!!!! they are a lot smatter than us guys.
yeah learn salsa!! it is awesome!!!! and it will help u to get more physical with girls, and salsa is all about leading the situation so it is similar lol
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hahaha
http://youtu.be/_Yc0Lp1-M48
for the shorties this guy is 168-170 5'6
http://youtu.be/4hLbaXklL0E
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Haha nice video! I really appreciate all the tips. My first salsa class starts in literally in an hour. Hopefully I'll be putting your advice to work really soon.
Out of curiosity, have you read John Alexander's "How to becomean alpha male" book? It has a lot of the same advice and tips, and the author claims that it has also worked very, very well for him.
One thing I've always really admired about you is your positivity and optimism! You weren't afraid to go get 'em your old height, you made the most of your lengthening, met lots of really cool people, enjoyed being in Russia while others complained about the frames, and here you are living one hell of a life before you're even fully recovered! I applaud you sir!
For those who haven't had LL yet, don't put your life on hold until you get it. I don't have the money for internals and am still researching the safety and feasibility of external femurs, since I want to do 4+4 for the sake of athletic recovery and proportions. While LL is one of the biggest goals I am working towards, people like RGKEY inspire me to have a great time, look at things positively, try new things, and live adventurously even though my height is less than what I find acceptable for myself. I can truly say that my life is really improving even though I haven't had LL yet. It's amazing what a new outlook and mindset can do for a person. And I see people shorter and uglier than me experiencing the same if not more happiness than me still, a testament to what a healthy mindset can do for a person.
I don't like being the shortest adult male in my family, but that can be changed eventually and doesn't have to put a happy life on hold in the meantime.
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The big problem i had which made me put life on hold once i decided to do LL, is that i felt that if i met a girl i like during this preparation period i might have to make some tough decisions later when the time comes, i always knew that i had to do the surgery to be happy, and i always knew that i could never tell this secret to anyone other than my family, so i would likely have to give up any relationship i might have established before LL was done.
If LL is many years ahead of you, then i can understand why you would live without inhibition. Also being at average height already makes it a whole lot easier to be happy until the time to do LL comes.
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I LIKE YOUR MIND SET TALLER!!!)) KEEP THAT UP!!!! YOU ARE RIGHT, MANY PEOPLE SHORTER, UGLIER AND WITH LESS INTELLECT ARE POSSIBLY HAPPIER THAN US!!))
NEVER PUT UR LIFE IN HOLD, SOME TIMES I DO THOU BUT I CHANGE IT FAST. WE WILL NOT LIVE FOREVER, THAT IS FOR SURE.
HONESTLY WHAT I GET FROM ALL THIS LL FOR THE MOST PART IS NOT MY NEW HEIGHT, IT'S THE PROCESS, I HAD THE MOST AMAZING TIME EVER!! IN 1 YEAR I EXPERIENCE WHAT MANY PEOPLE EXPERIENCE IN THEIR WHOLE LIFE.
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The big problem i had which made me put life on hold once i decided to do LL, is that i felt that if i met a girl i like during this preparation period i might have to make some tough decisions later when the time comes, i always knew that i had to do the surgery to be happy, and i always knew that i could never tell this secret to anyone other than my family, so i would likely have to give up any relationship i might have established before LL was done.
If LL is many years ahead of you, then i can understand why you would live without inhibition. Also being at average height already makes it a whole lot easier to be happy until the time to do LL comes.
Hello. No one will notice your change of height. You did only 4.5 cm. So you can mantain your old friends without fear of them knowing anything
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Hello. No one will notice your change of height. You did only 4.5 cm. So you can mantain your old friends without fear of them knowing anything
Im pretty sure some of them will notice, since many of them where just about 4 cm taller than me, since we are now at eye level this should be easily noticeable for those i spent a lot of time with. But that wasnt my point even with the previous message, doing LL i had to dissappear for a long while and lie a lot to my friends which i have done now, however if i had met a girl and been in a relationship when it was time to do LL, i would have had to break up with the girl because there is no way i would have been able to be gone for 7 months while lying to her. Also had i met more friends etc i would have had to lie to more people etc. So i decided on keeping the social life on the low as soon as i was 100% sure that i was going to do LL (which was a little over a year ago)
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Im pretty sure some of them will notice, since many of them where just about 4 cm taller than me, since we are now at eye level this should be easily noticeable for those i spent a lot of time with
you will be impress that many won't notice it. maybe some of them would but it would have to be someone who is really aware about people's height. i did 9cms and no one has really noticed it. well maybe like 3 people has told me you look taller but that was all, not like a big deal. most people tell me you look different, you have lost weight, you have a new hair cut, some even say you look like a different person, but that is all.
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you will be impress that many won't notice it. maybe some of them would but it would have to be someone who is really aware about people's height. i did 9cms and no one has really noticed it. well maybe like 3 people has told me you look taller but that was all, not like a big deal. most people tell me you look different, you have lost weight, you have a new hair cut, some even say you look like a different person, but that is all.
RGKEY is right, I did 5.5cm, went to work and nobody has noticed anything. Most people do forget about your height when u disappear. Moreover, ppl are already worried and busy thinking about their own lives rather than keeping records of someone's height. Having said that, I am sure my close friend who was about 1cm taller than me and always compare with my height will notice instantly. It will be interesting to see his reaction now that I am almost 2 inches taller than him :)
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RGKEY is right, I did 5.5cm, went to work and nobody has noticed anything. Most people do forget about your height when u disappear. Moreover, ppl are already worried and busy thinking about their own lives rather than keeping records of someone's height. Having said that, I am sure my close friend who was about 1cm taller than me and always compare with my height will notice instantly. It will be interesting to see his reaction now that I am almost 2 inches taller than him :)
lol yeah it will be interesting, but you might be impress how many close people won't notice it
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f**k YOU LEG LENGTHENING, EVEN AFTER 9CMS GIRLS TALLER THAN ME HAHAHA
SO, MY POINT: IF YOU MALE GUYS ARE DOING LL MAINLY BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET LAID, PLEASE DON'T DO IT!! DON'T DO THAT TO YOUR SELF!! THE BEST WAY TO GET LAID WITH BEAUTIFUL GIRLS IS TO IMPROVE YOU PERSONALITY, WHAT YOU CONVEY AS A PERSON, BECOME A BETTER PERSON INSIDE INSTEAD OF EXTERNALLY, OF COURSE IT HELPS TO BE TALL AND HANDSOME, BUT THAT IS ONLY 10 PERCENT OF WETHER OR NOT THE GIRL WILL LIKE YOU, ETC...
THIS GIRL SUPER CUTE TALL AS HELL 177 PLUS HIGH HEELS, WHEN WE WALKED TOGETHER SHE WAS ONE HEAD TALLER THAN ME AND SHE EVEN TOLD ME, IM MUCH TALLER THAN YOU, SO BEFORE SHE WALKED AWAY FROM ME I GRAB HER BY THE HAND LOOKED AT HER IN THE EYE LIKE I WAS HER FATHER AND I SAID: "I KNOW, I DONT LIKE TALL GIRLS AT ALL, BUT YOU SEEM KIND OF COOL, COME WITH ME" SO IF YOU WANT TO DO LL TO GET THE HONIES PLEASE DONT. INVEST THAT MONEY IN IMPROVING YOUR GAME!)) IT'S ALL ABOUT GAME. MANY TALL MEN IN THE CLUB, BUT GUESS WHO IS PULLING THE HOTIES AT THE CLUB, THE 172CMS GUY. ONLY REASON WHY I SHOW THIS IS TO MAKE U UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DONT NEED HEIGHT TO GET LADIES, YES IT HELPS BUT MOSTLY U NEED GOOD f**kING GAME. BTW THE GUY IN THE BACK I DONT KNOW HIM BUT IM SURE HE WISHES HE WAS 172 LIKE ME!!
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RG this is like Porn, you are the man 8)
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Hahahahahaha, I wonder how the average guys who want LL feel now, as soon as you are around 175cm height is not really important anymore...
But ty for this, I can't stop laughing right now ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hahaha.. yeah they would avoid the reality and find reasons to make their point lol
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RGKEY, you are a legend ;)
Respect!!!!
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To the guy with salsa courses: read a lot and practice even more without taking it too seriously
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Rg is right about the ladies , I trust what u saying man I been reading and practicing on pua websites and videos and I got laied last weekend and the weekend before . If I wasn't concern about my privacy I would post pics too . But I'm not doing ll to get laied I always get laied and now I get laied more . Thx Rg
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Rg is right about the ladies , I trust what u saying man I been reading and practicing on pua websites and videos and I got laied last weekend and the weekend before . If I wasn't concern about my privacy I would post pics too . But I'm not doing ll to get laied I always get laied and now I get laied more . Thx Rg
Im happy to hear that my friend!))) Good game is all you need!)))
height is only for your own personal esthetic improvement!)))
the only difference now is that when i see my self in the mirror or on the reflection of a window on the street i say in my head "oh s**t i look good, im a sexy mother f**ker!!"" hahaha that is all. And ladies have nothing to do with this feeling))
keep up the good job)))
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RGKEY, you are a legend ;)
Respect!!!!
hahaha, im just glad to speak my mind without offending most people lol
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Im happy to hear that my friend!))) Good game is all you need!)))
height is only for your own personal esthetic improvement!)))
the only difference now is that when i see my self in the mirror or on the reflection of a window on the street i say in my head "oh s**t i look good, im a sexy mother f**ker!!"" hahaha that is all. And ladies have nothing to do with this feeling))
keep up the good job)))
that's good Man this feelings will make u even better with the ladies
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You still got it, even though you're not in Russia ;D
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Hey Diso, yeah i still do lol haha i just like to have fun
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You still got it, even though you're not in Russia ;D
That's low.
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That's low.
I didn't mean it in a bad way :-\ .. RGkey you know that right?
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I didn't mean it in a bad way :-\ .. RGkey you know that right?
ofcourse Diso!:) you are my girl! you are super cool))
btw, i really dislike judgmental people!! we all should be free to do and say what the fk we want:)))))
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Im letting my beard grow! i want to be a gladiator from 300 for halloween "Sparta"!!!!
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STARTING A CONVERSATION WITH A CUTTIE AT THE MALL. APPARENTLY WHEN A GIRLS FOOT IS POINTING TO YOU IS A BIG SIGN OF ATTRACTION HAHAHA
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TALL GIRLS LOL, THEY ARE EVERYWHERE
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MY CREW
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I LIKE BLONDES!!!!! NICE BREAST!
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PLEASE MARRY ME
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DOGGIE STYLE, THAT IS HOW I LIKE IT MOTHER fkERS!! IM A BAD BOY
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IT'S OK, KISS ME BABY
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ONE DAY I WILL HAVE MY OWN BREAST! HAHA SEXY!
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Yeah brother. You are the fking master of pick up!!!
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you have become a sith lord. well versed in the ways of the dark force. lol
after LL,
your power, over women,
strong ,
it has become.
"insert picture of yoda for quote"
lol
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That's low.
Wrong. It's a compliment
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Wrong. It's a compliment
lol
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Are you wearing lifts in those pictures with your friends?
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Are you wearing lifts in those pictures with your friends?
yes i am, standing around 176-177
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If it's not a personal question, in which city do you now live in bro? : )
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If it's not a personal question, in which city do you now live in bro? : )
live in New York, are you coming?:)
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live in New York, are you coming?:)
Most of my friends are there :) I was going to apply for jobs in NY, but it's likely they I'll stay in Istanbul for 2-3 more years, and then move to New York or London permanently. It's a big decision so I'm taking my time with it. But I'm thinking about visiting NYC again next fall!
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hi RG, you dance well but are you able to jog at moderate pace for 20 minutes at a time? Thanks! what about fast pace? would you be able to play, say basketball for awhile, at least??
I was wondering, because I might lengthen 8 cm or more (will definitely do 7 cm)
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hi RG, you dance well but are you able to jog at moderate pace for 20 minutes at a time? Thanks! what about fast pace? would you be able to play, say basketball for awhile, at least??
I was wondering, because I might lengthen 8 cm or more (will definitely do 7 cm)
Your body may not respond good at all at the 7cms just listen to your body and prepare the best for the surgery
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Most of my friends are there :) I was going to apply for jobs in NY, but it's likely they I'll stay in Istanbul for 2-3 more years, and then move to New York or London permanently. It's a big decision so I'm taking my time with it. But I'm thinking about visiting NYC again next fall!
SWEET!! well if you decide to come contact me, you got my number bro!
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hi RG, you dance well but are you able to jog at moderate pace for 20 minutes at a time? Thanks! what about fast pace? would you be able to play, say basketball for awhile, at least??
I was wondering, because I might lengthen 8 cm or more (will definitely do 7 cm)
can't run or even jog, just fast walk. i can not play any sport for at least another 6 months i think
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With model/Actress Joy Bryant, cutie!
hopefully one day I will pick up a celebrity like this one. Unfortunately, this one is married, but i tried lol
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yes i am, standing around 176-177
Does Walking flows normalmente With lifts? I asked this question because 9cm of tibia plus 5cm lifts is 14 cm below knee. One of the things that is Making me want to do femurs is than lifts will make Up for the fêmur. But in your case how those it feel when walking? Congrant on those nights, you definitely have my respect! ;D
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It feels fine man, i don't know wat to say. Almost as the same as if i didnt have lifts:))
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Does Walking flows normalmente With lifts? I asked this question because 9cm of tibia plus 5cm lifts is 14 cm below knee. One of the things that is Making me want to do femurs is than lifts will make Up for the fêmur. But in your case how those it feel when walking? Congrant on those nights, you definitely have my respect! ;D
Is it suppose to be some specific cm below the knee ?
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Im sure you have answered this multiple times but there are a lot of pages in here and nothing on the front page. What is your sitting?
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His sitting height is 90CM
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Read through most of your diary. Strong recovery mate and you look really good proportions wise congratulations!
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Read through most of your diary. Strong recovery mate and you look really good proportions wise congratulations!
thank you man
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Hey RGKEY
Great diary and very good amount of lengthening. I have done 9 cm on tibias too and I am now in the consolidation phase (with Dr. Salameh, diary on the old forum)
Greetings Morpheus34
P.S. Nice Girl(s):-)
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Hey RGKEY
Great diary and very good amount of lengthening. I have done 9 cm on tibias too and I am now in the consolidation phase (with Dr. Salameh, diary on the old forum)
Greetings Morpheus34
P.S. Nice Girl(s):-)
Thanx:) good for you! Yeah 9 is hard man
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holloween with military boots and lifts, me at 180cms, i dont know exactly what i was but some people said
Expendables lol
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happy Halloween :-X
With model/Actress Joy Bryant, cutie!
hopefully one day I will pick up a celebrity like this one. Unfortunately, this one is married, but i tried lol
(http://i.imgur.com/M6AGH8Nl.jpg)
she suppose to be 175 cm, but you look taller than her ;D
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holloween with military boots and lifts, me at 180cms, i dont know exactly what i was but some people said
Expendables lol
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RAGKEY looking good...again xD
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happy Halloween :-X
she suppose to be 175 cm, but you look taller than her ;D
No way she is 175, she must be 171 172 lol
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RAGKEY looking good...again xD
Thank u! I try man
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No way she is 175, she must be 171 172 lol
we went through a cruel journey just to add 5cm to our original height, and those models add 5cm easily without going through the same experience
from now on I'm 168cm, and using the same logic you're 177.5cm ???
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we went through a cruel journey just to add 5cm to our original height, and those models add 5cm easily without going through the same experience
from now on I'm 168cm, and using the same logic you're 177.5cm ???
but u're not
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Geez. Doesn't seem to me you have any problems with the ladies. With your new height your self esteem will be off the charts :D
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we went through a cruel journey just to add 5cm to our original height, and those models add 5cm easily without going through the same experience
from now on I'm 168cm, and using the same logic you're 177.5cm ???
love you girl!!;)) would love to have you as my wing girl, and i can be your wing man lol we can pickup the hotties! hahaha
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with my 9cms boots, working out at the gym, they feel comfortable but i had them cuz i forgot my sneakers, i though i make a video to look how they look witht he mirrors in the gym
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Wow. You're crazy. But you definitely have the upper body size to handle more height if you ever decide that you want it. Haha.
You're around 181.5 CM in those pics?
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Seems strange... the boots that is, not the proportions
I mean who wears boots at the gym... lol ;D
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hi,can u leave video of walking without lift ??
and how are u now ?pain? stifnes ?
and if your leg did not bow your walking ?i mean you can walk and even run 100% normal after 1 year frame removal???
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You're wearing lifts?
How come your arms doesn't look short?
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You're wearing lifts?
How come your arms doesn't look short?
My proportions are actually better than that with 9CM lifts but that's because I haven't done LL yet. RGKEY already did 9CM of LL so, with the lifts, he has 18CM added to his natural height. Those proportions are amazing and normal, which is amazing considering the height he gained.
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My proportions are actually better than that with 9CM lifts but that's because I haven't done LL yet. RGKEY already did 9CM of LL so, with the lifts, he has 18CM added to his natural height. Those proportions are amazing and normal, which is amazing considering the height he gained.
that's because of the angle of the photos, all i see in the video is a heron look
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Im almost 180 with these boots about 179-180
Some questions you guys ask is like the same fking questions and comments, wtf#? Hahaha go and review allmy posts videos and pictures, stop being fking lazy guys. Peace!)
I dont know how i look proportional man even with such gain i dont know man, i think my clothing my broad shoulders, my body type helps me a lot, there are guys even at 180 or more who dont even have shoukders as wide as mine. All i that comes to my mind is how unproportional i probably would look at 163 like a little square hahaha.. people used to make fun of me about that lol proportions is bull , just work on your shoulders and back and you should be fine
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Cool! I have super broad shoulders too, broader than many 190CM peoples' shoulders. This picture is quite reassuring.
Are your shoulders that broad naturally or do you need to exercise and work out to make them that broad?
You look like a beast.
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Hey RGKEY,
Is your knee height much higher than guys much taller than you? I am considering doing tibs and when I sit next to guys that are around 6 foot it seems like their knees are only about 3 or 4 cms higher. I am 167 so I am a little below your current height.
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Cool! I have super broad shoulders too, broader than many 190CM peoples' shoulders. This picture is quite reassuring.
Are your shoulders that broad naturally or do you need to exercise and work out to make them that broad?
You look like a beast.
then i think you should look fine man!) i have naturally broad shoulders and on top of that i worked them out a lot, i push the same weight in shoulders as I do in chest:) i bench press around 150 pounds on shoulders and chest. Now im going down to 140 because i want to get ripped!!
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Hey RGKEY,
Is your knee height much higher than guys much taller than you? I am considering doing tibs and when I sit next to guys that are around 6 foot it seems like their knees are only about 3 or 4 cms higher. I am 167 so I am a little below your current height.
for the most part yes, and when i use my 9cms boots, my knees are super high, i notice it when I sit, walking is kind of hard to tell, it would have to be a freak obsess with knee proportions to notice it, regular people dont notice it at all meaning 99% of the population...lol and pretending that 1% of the world population are on these forums hahaha
when i was today in the train i can tell my knees are really high, but all i do is stretch my legs and solve problem even if i stretch them a little bit it is unnoticeable:)) and when the train is crowed well trust me no one will notice it your knee, there are a many other things that people look at other than a guys knee lol for example the cute chicks on the train or the creepy looking guy wholooks like a terrorist etc...
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Hey RGKEY you seem like a really cool guy with a great outlook on life and all that.
I was just wondering, since I understand you're russian (?), how it's like living there you know? What are some nice cities, are there any major drawbacks/perks?
I think St. Petersburg looks like a magnificent european-style city and I'd love to maybe live there a little while, walk in Dostojevskijs footsteps and all that. Do you have any idea what it's like?
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This seems like a better place to go than the USA. By the way 5'3 carrying 50 pound water on your head must people can't do that at your height. The jug of water is bigger than them! Great job I am going to Russia for sure instead of the USA this is way less expensive.
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Hey RGKEY you seem like a really cool guy with a great outlook on life and all that.
I was just wondering, since I understand you're russian (?), how it's like living there you know? What are some nice cities, are there any major drawbacks/perks?
I think St. Petersburg looks like a magnificent european-style city and I'd love to maybe live there a little while, walk in Dostojevskijs footsteps and all that. Do you have any idea what it's like?
im not russian!:) i have been only in volgograd and rostov. liked both cities, specially the women!!!:))
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This seems like a better place to go than the USA. By the way 5'3 carrying 50 pound water on your head must people can't do that at your height. The jug of water is bigger than them! Great job I am going to Russia for sure instead of the USA this is way less expensive.
yes, the frames allows you to do many things since they hold your bones together and straight!) so yeah, as long as you have the frames on, you can do a lot of stuff!
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RGKEY, how long did it take before you can walk using Crutches?
And, how long it took (after surgery date) before you can walk without crutches?
What about walking normally?
Have my lengthening in a weeks' time.
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RGKEY, how long did it take before you can walk using Crutches?
And, how long it took (after surgery date) before you can walk without crutches?
What about walking normally?
Have my lengthening in a weeks' time.
i dont remember. check my diary. walking normal just few months ago
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wow thats real quick! thanks bro! :D
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I've got another proportions question RGKEY but you don't need to answer if you don't want to.
How long are your arms from the end of your middle finger to the beggining of your acromion bone ( the first bone in your shoulder)?
You look really good man impressive everything.
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I've got another proportions question RGKEY but you don't need to answer if you don't want to.
How long are your arms from the end of your middle finger to the beggining of your acromion bone ( the first bone in your shoulder)?
You look really good man impressive everything.
Uppland what is your starting height?
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I am 178CM at night and I try to aim for 186CM at night.
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I am 178CM at night and I try to aim for 186CM at night.
Then which one ypu prefer , 1 segmant 8 cm or 2 segmant 8-10cm
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I wouldn't go over 5CM in one surgery so I may very well be 183CM and stay there but I hope to get to 186. I haven't figured it all out but I'm pretty sure I will do one femur operation of 4-5CM. Safety is my real priority.
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Cheaper people are nicer, good way to meet Russian people and understand the culture and how kind people are unlike what Fox News tells us for $25,000 and you get women who like you and are kind to you? Brb getting 30 grand.
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Bruh this diary.
Almost same height as you .. well starting Height (I'm 164)
I was thinking of doing 9CMs Also. Realistically I was aiming for 8CMs but I do think I could pull of 9CMs though.
What age were you when you got the OP?
I'm 20 at the this moment in time, hoping to get this OP when I'm 21-22. Realistically how much time would I have to set aside to do something like yourself?
Also bruh, how did you get through customs armed with dem Guns ;)
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haha i just smiled and went through lol
i was 29-30 when i did it, im about to turn 31 in few days!
well it's been almost 2 years since op and im not even near full recovery. i would put aside 1 year from the op to the frames removal. and then recovery is a bitch and idk how long will that take since im still recovering my self.
i wouldnt recommend you 9cms, i would do 5 in tibias and 5 on femurs, that would be perfect i think for anyone!
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Yeah 9CM Does seem a lot, Would dropping it a more reasonable 6CM reduce the time from OP to frame removal a significant amount? Only reason i'm asking is that they predict op to frame removal is around 5-6month .. which would mean a CM a month, But for 9CM you set aside a year, which is only an extra 3CM.(I Say only ..)
I was thinking that if I chose to do femurs and lengthen 7CMs or 7.5CMs, I was always told that the recovery time and consolidation time was faster but the pain is a lot worse (Which in all honesty, I'm fine with - I'm stubborn and my pain tolerance is high). Not sure how true this is. This is my thinking part - I'll be 171 or 171.5 and then when I wear shoes or insoles with a little lift (Not really a fan of anything that gives me more height then 3CM with insole and shoe combine) I would be 174 - 174.5. I think that would also look pretty proportional ..
Did you know anyone at all doing external femurs while you lengthened at all, looks like you met tons of new people - you will have such awesome memories.
Also really 31? Bruh - I though I was good at guessing ages .. guess not. I though you were around 24-26. What Ehow 10 Tips page did you read on looking young LOL
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haha i just smiled and went through lol
i was 29-30 when i did it, im about to turn 31 in few days!
well it's been almost 2 years since op and im not even near full recovery. i would put aside 1 year from the op to the frames removal. and then recovery is a bitch and idk how long will that take since im still recovering my self.
i wouldnt recommend you 9cms, i would do 5 in tibias and 5 on femurs, that would be perfect i think for anyone!
This post jolted me....
I need to resume basketball soon..
I will revise downwards from 8 cm to 7.4 cm.
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Yeah 9CM Does seem a lot, Would dropping it a more reasonable 6CM reduce the time from OP to frame removal a significant amount? Only reason i'm asking is that they predict op to frame removal is around 5-6month .. which would mean a CM a month, But for 9CM you set aside a year, which is only an extra 3CM.(I Say only ..)
I was thinking that if I chose to do femurs and lengthen 7CMs or 7.5CMs, I was always told that the recovery time and consolidation time was faster but the pain is a lot worse (Which in all honesty, I'm fine with - I'm stubborn and my pain tolerance is high). Not sure how true this is. This is my thinking part - I'll be 171 or 171.5 and then when I wear shoes or insoles with a little lift (Not really a fan of anything that gives me more height then 3CM with insole and shoe combine) I would be 174 - 174.5. I think that would also look pretty proportional ..
Did you know anyone at all doing external femurs while you lengthened at all, looks like you met tons of new people - you will have such awesome memories.
Also really 31? Bruh - I though I was good at guessing ages .. guess not. I though you were around 24-26. What Ehow 10 Tips page did you read on looking young LOL
thougt he was mid or late twenties too
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thougt he was mid or late twenties too
over 6 cm is high risk for tibia anywayt
6cm max and then wait until fully consolidation then go femur 7 max
dont risk your self
statistic show your possibilty (Just possibility)
Do not take risk in anyway when you still have a chance to get fully recovery
Dr Guichet has suggested me do femur first 6 cm then wait untill have rod removal then do tibia for 4.5cm
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over 6 cm is high risk for tibia anywayt
6cm max and then wait until fully consolidation then go femur 7 max
dont risk your self
statistic show your possibilty (Just possibility)
Do not take risk in anyway when you still have a chance to get fully recovery
Dr Guichet has suggested me do femur first 6 cm then wait untill have rod removal then do tibia for 4.5cm
Are you going with Guichet?
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but paley said 7 or 7.5
bagirov said 8 is upper limit?
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over 6 cm is high risk for tibia anywayt
6cm max and then wait until fully consolidation then go femur 7 max
dont risk your self
statistic show your possibilty (Just possibility)
Do not take risk in anyway when you still have a chance to get fully recovery
Dr Guichet has suggested me do femur first 6 cm then wait untill have rod removal then do tibia for 4.5cm
over 5* is high risk
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over 5* is high risk
but I really want the number > 180 :(
why does paley say 7 cm. why does china say 20% bone length
surely im safe at 7+ cm?
at least if im an athlete?
why do Russians usually do 5 cm or less at dr. bagirovs?
all these are questions....
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Do it, I don't care if you don't want to listen
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Do it, I don't care if you don't want to listen
where did u get the magic 5 figure?? any sources
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7.5cm affected my balance, agility, and endurance permanently. Not much, but some.
The more you do, the more it affects you. I don't think there really is a magic number. It's all a matter of degree.
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why do Russians usually do 5 cm or less at dr. bagirovs?
They do it because after 5 cm mark your feet usually go poof and you gain ballerina or it becomes worse. Most people don't have the will to work and stretch it out enough, so they'll be left with a severe ballerina foot case, which will require a cut (another surgery). Well and it's also overall safer, like the time you have to spend in external increases by 4 months if go from 5 to 7.5 as a general rule of thumb. Tibia-femur proportions also. Drs are just being safe so later on you couldn't say 'well fk wtf why did you let me lengthen so much'.
7.5cm affected my balance, agility, and endurance permanently. Not much, but some.
Why? I mean, how? It doesn't make sense to me how your balance could be affected by having longer tibia bone. Or endurance. I guess your agility could be affected to some extent if you were unable to fix your ankle contracture...
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Why? I mean, how? It doesn't make sense to me how your balance could be affected by having longer tibia bone. Or endurance. I guess your agility could be affected to some extent if you were unable to fix your ankle contracture...
there are many reasons.
1 such reason is a lot of doctors don't secure the TOP AND BOTTOM of the fibula. this pulls the fibula in towards the tibia removing the gap.
the fibula supports 1/6 of your total body weight.
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7.5cm affected my balance, agility, and endurance permanently. Not much, but some.
The more you do, the more it affects you. I don't think there really is a magic number. It's all a matter of degree.
what sports do u do??
would u feel that if u had trained harder u could have overcome and maybe be in a better shape than before?
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my top and btm are fixated.
but the fibula does not form a straight line.. maybe a curve will form...
how bad is that?
I would think as long as the top and bottom don't move its fine?
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Are you going with Guichet?
May be i will go with Guichet and do only6cm max for femur
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my top and btm are fixated.
but the fibula does not form a straight line.. maybe a curve will form...
how bad is that?
I would think as long as the top and bottom don't move its fine?
hmmmm I don't know. try to get a whole tibia lower leg x ray.
the fibula can probably be distorted and not be to detrimental (you will be fine I think from my research). but if possible always try to keep it as close to natural as possible. it will just result in a new biomechanic operation for your legs.
your main concern will be weight distributions when rotational movements in the lower legs are performed. (supination and pronation)(technically these terms are incorrect as they apply to the rotational movements at the elbow)(but the same movement in the fibula/tibia is what I am describing)
Some tendons are contained within two major grooves at the distal, or bottom, end of the fibula (the lateral malleolus). These grooves redirect force on the joint, allowing less impact to be passed to the tendons and preventing damage. The way that the two bones in the lower leg are positioned means that the fibula does not reach up as far as the knee joint; rather, its lower portion, including the specialized groove and tendon mechanism, forms part of the ankle joint, allowing for stability in movement. This is due to the fibula's major role as an anchor point for the various muscles and ligaments of the leg and ankle.
The existence of the fibula offers us more maneuverability than we would have with only one leg bone.
The actions of the fibula allow accommodations in
plantarflexion and dorsiflexion to keep the joint stable. In addition, the
fibula is an important anchor for a number of muscles that act upon the foot
and that help to maintain the foot arches (notably the fibularis (peroneus)
longus). Finally, the fibula aids in the transmission of body weight (10% to
20% depending upon who you ask), through the leg.
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here with my best friend of 13 years. And to think that before my LL we had pretty much the same height 164cms is crazy
(http://i.imgur.com/CedNMwp.jpg)
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Looks really good, I can't tell if you had the operation at all by looking at you.
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hiii rgkey,, it has been a while since I've read your last update.
so did she notice that?
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here with my best friend of 13 years. And to think that before my LL we had pretty much the same height 164cms is crazy
(http://i.imgur.com/CedNMwp.jpg)
How could you solve your curl leg in the future?
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good proportions, no one will notice that you did LL
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good proportions, no one will notice that you did LL
I do if he takes out his hands from the pocket
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hiii rgkey,, it has been a while since I've read your last update.
so did she notice that?
no she did not:)
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RGkey did your discomfort and pain decrease very much after you stop lengthening?
Did you find it OK to be in frames and doing your daily stuff?
And to your knowledge does dr barinov do nailing?
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not very much but it decreased.
post lengthening it was better
you should contact them
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some more pictures with my lifts.
(http://i.imgur.com/GPWiKebl.jpg)
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How much lift are you wearing in those pictures? It seems like you could di that centimeters i your femurs
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update: life is good, can't run or jump or do weights with legs, at this point i dont know if ill be able to recover 100% or even go back to my normal sport activities. I accepted this reality and it's all good, before surgery I knew this was a possibility so Im very happy I can at least walk and im taller and i can do other things in life, pretty much enough to get by. plus i like my look specially with lifts, i just love it! regardless of what others think. i still have stiffness it hasnt gone away. im still about 9 months post frames removal. Doctor said 1 year until I can slowly go back to sports, but honestly i doubt it lol, but will see still few months from that, i think at least one more year for running, but i will see, i will make a huge post the day I can run again and even better go back to martial arts, if that happens that will be a miracle hahaha! funny enough i can pretty much dance as i did before so that is kind of strange and awesome!!!! but i really can, very happy about that.
about femurs, i will never consider it untill i can go back to all my sport activities, so maybe never.
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Well you look great, you really do but the fact that you can't run is kind of scary -not gonna lie.
I think you should visit a doctor and get his opinion on why this is because you really should be able to, even though you lengthened a lot.
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i measured about 176 with these lifts
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i cant run or jump due to muscle stiffness, it just feels very uncomfortable and even pain on the front muscles. not the big muscles the small ones.
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i cant run or jump due to muscle stiffness, it just feels very uncomfortable and even pain on the front muscles. not the big muscles the small ones.
I'm no doctor but that sounds like good news. If you're muscles are tight it is possible to loosen them up with stretching and stuff like that. Can't say why you have pain but a doctor will be able to tell, you might need to get some kind of treatment. Medium drink of Water got achilles lengthening I think and after that he was able to run around like he used to, who knows? In a couple of months that could be you. Find a good doctor that'll be able to help you. Just imagine -if your life is good now, it's nothing against when you get your agility back. Good luck man.
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I'm no doctor but that sounds like good news. If you're muscles are tight it is possible to loosen them up with stretching and stuff like that. Can't say why you have pain but a doctor will be able to tell, you might need to get some kind of treatment. Medium drink of Water got achilles lengthening I think and after that he was able to run around like he used to, who knows? In a couple of months that could be you. Find a good doctor that'll be able to help you. Just imagine -if your life is good now, it's nothing against when you get your agility back. Good luck man.
I think MDOW did not get achiles lengthening. He get a surgery in the fascia for compartimental sindrome. Correct me if im wrong MDOW
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loooking' good
i think 176 is ok for u, but ur arms are a little short at 176. i think if u value proportion u shd not do the femur surgery beyond a few centimetres.
i am doing 8 cm, so i might be in for quite abit. i;m going about my daily life pretty well at 4 cm mark now:)
thanks for being our inspiration that it is possible to avoid ballerina.
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It took me a long time to be able to do get back to normal. I had that tightness and soreness and fatigue too, with every step. So I don't think you're completely out of luck as long as you keep trying to push yourself. I don't think I was fully done with LL until two years after my first surgery, and I did 7.5. It could be 3, 4, or 5 years for you having done so much lengthening.
And to set the record straight in this thread, I never had achilles lengthening. Dr. Peng examined me and said I didn't need it. My right ankle was still kind of tight a year and a half after my first surgery and I thought I might need it, but he said to just keep stretching and it'd go away, and he was right.
i cant run or jump due to muscle stiffness, it just feels very uncomfortable and even pain on the front muscles. not the big muscles the small ones.
I developed exertional compartment syndrome in my tibialis anterior muscles (the ones in the front of the lower leg) and got a fasciotomy for it. Our symptoms sound similar. Google that muscle and see if that's where the problem is. I think Dr. Paley performs fasciotomy on those muscles routinely when he performs tibial LL.
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Interesting! :) thank you mr water!
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This is a great diary, please keep updating us on your recovery RGKEY.
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This is a great diary, please keep updating us on your recovery RGKEY.
i try my best:)
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finally at my ideal height hahaha, here me at 180 with some boots 4cms platform and 8 cms lifts, i measured my self at 180-181, i asked my friend if he notice anything weird on my body besides my bowed leg and the fact that i look taller, he said i look completely normal but taller, well he is 6 feets and without shoes we wre pretty much the same height he was slightly taller, maybe 2 cms max, he didnt mention anything about my arms
(http://i.imgur.com/sim1Q4dl.jpg)
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are you planning to fix your bowed leg?
what was the cause for this?
why wasn't it fixed when you had frames on?
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It's impressive how normal you look even though you've gained 9CM+12CM lifts.
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Your arms look a little short
BUt maybe its just because I know you did lengthening.
But even if I don't and you ask me, it still does look a little short
But absolutely normal!
Bowed legs not obvious. Did not notice at first sight.
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you look awesome rgkey .. 180cm this is tall almost in every country ..
Your arms look a little short
BUt maybe its just because I know you did lengthening.
But even if I don't and you ask me, it still does look a little short
But absolutely normal!
exactly .. unless if you didn't tell anyone about LL no body will notice it .. well there is another chance for someone to notice your arm length if he/she is/was LL patient ..
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You look awesome. Congratulations!
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are you planning to fix your bowed leg?
what was the cause for this?
why wasn't it fixed when you had frames on?
It should have been corrected before fixator removal or possibly the fixator was removed too early. Something similar happened to craig49.
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funny fact, so i was on a bathtub with a girl cuddling and she wanted me to put my arms around her from behind while sitting down, my hand barely wrapped around her and she said "oh, i thought your arms were longer" lol i just smiled and laugh inside of me hahaha
If you guys dont know about my bowed leg situation, how it happened and how it developed and the causes, you can always read my diary. If anyone is gonna ask me a question that i already have answered before or clearly talked about it on this forum, I wont waste my time answering as you dont care to take your time reading the diary. If you are considering doing something so serious as LL you should first read all diaries you can to collect as much information possible. If you can't do something so effortless as reading complete diaries YOU SHOULDN'T DO LEG LENGTHENING AT ALL
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FINALLY ABLE TO JOG FOR 2 MINUTES LOL... FEELING BETTER WITH MUSCLES:)
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FINALLY ABLE TO JOG FOR 2 MINUTES LOL... FEELING BETTER WITH MUSCLES:)
Not bad at all and it will only get better.
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@RGKEY- i think if your legs wouldn't have bowed you might have been running normally by this time
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Hey RGKEY. If you don't mind me asking, what is your job?
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i dont think the bowed leg has to do much with it because i only have one bowed leg and pain in both legs. Some people think that stretching your legs above 7cm+ and you will recover within a year!?? let me give you news, there is no way, unless you have lot of money, have a private 24 hour physical therapist, etc...
im afraid i can not answer the question about my job, but i can say im not rich and have a lot of debt due to my LL hahaha
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In my eyes regkey, dont use lifts it looks so strange. You are short and you cant change it with lifts. It looks really really weierd. Also dont do femur your upper Body and Arms looks right now already strange. Its only a hint. Its your life
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I think you look normal, even with the lifts.
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I think you look normal, even with the lifts.
Yes I think so too actually.
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He doesn't look bad actually. Wish I could lengthen as much.:))
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I think you look normal, even with the lifts.
Not just normal, manly is how his height looks like according to 90% of today's women.
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LOL
I DONT KNOW WHAT IS NORMAL ANYMORE, BUT I CAN SAY I AM HAPPY THE WAY I LOOK WITH MY LIFTS ON, EVEN THE BIG ONES AT 180CMS, SOMEHOW, I STILL KEEP ATTRACTING MEN AND WOMEN, TOO BAD I ONLY SWIN ONE WAY... AND I WISH I COULD BE 180 BUT I HONESTLY THINK IT WILL BE TOO RISKY IN TERMS OF HEALTH, I CONSIDER MY SELF SHORT BUT NOT REALLY SHORT, JUST ENOUGH TO FEEL GOOD WHEN I LOOK MY SELF IN THE MIRROW. I APPRECIATE ANY COMMENTS, I TAKE ALL IN CONSIDERATION. BUT WITH ALL YOUR RESPECT, IF YOU ASK ME, I WOULD ONLY BE CONCERN IF EVERY TIME IM LAYING DOWN WITH A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN, AND THEY KEEP SAYING, YOUR LEGS LOOK WEIRD, OR YOUR ARMS LOOK SHORT, OR YOU LOOK NOT PROPORTIONAL ...THEN I MIGHT BELIEVE IT BUT AS RIGHT NOW, IM PRETTY CONTENT WITH MY LIFTS ON AND OFF!:) THE GIRL BELOW THINKS I HAVE BEAUTIFUL LEGS, FUNNY , BUT THEN AGAIN SHE DOESNT THINK IM SHORT, SHE THINKS IM JUST FINE, AND TRUST ME, SHE IS REALLY HONEST, SHE EVEN TOLD ME SHE WOULD PREFER MY PENIS WAS LONGER, BUT ALSO SHE HAS NEVER HAS CRAZY ORGASMS BEFORE AS SHE HAS WITH ME, OFF TOPIC, BUT I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW SHE IS VERY HONEST. MOST IMPORTANTLY, SHE IS A REAL PERSON WHO SEES ME IN REAL LIFE WITH CLOTHES ON AND nked, SO I THINK SHE WOULD JUDGE MY BODY A LOT BETTER THAN ANY OF YOU LOL. YOU GUYS CAN ONLY SEE PICTURES AND VIDEOS HERE AND THERE, BUT THAT DOESNT COUNT FOR ALL. MOST OF YOU ARE FREAKS WHEN IT COMES TO PROPORTIONS, IT IS ALMOST AS WHEN I GO GET A HAIRCUT, I KNOW I GET KINDA CRAZY, EVERY MILLIMETER COUNTS FOR ME, I DRIVE MY BARBER NUTS!! HAHAHA!! I CARE FOR EVRY MILLIMETER OF MY HAIR BUT OTHER PEOPLE CANT EVEN NOTICE IT BUT I DO, THE SAME WAY ALL OF YOU CARE SO MUCH ABOUT PROPORTIONS BUT NORMAL PEOPLE DO NOT GIVE A ! THEY REALLY DONT EVEN NOTICE IT!!
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Its most important you are fine. In my eyes you look to bulky on your short Body. And the lifts are so fk in wierd. Your walking must be funny. Actually the girl looks not hot in my eyes. So i think hot women will never give you a chance as they See you are short AND you cant handle it.
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Do you paint RGKEY?
That's pretty awesome, my drawings always look like crap.
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as usual this forum is full of rude people.
I think you look fine, though your arms appear a little short, with the lifts.
If I were you, I might still do LL because the disproportion isn't so bad, especially in real life.
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You look like you have the proportions of someone who never had LL.
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You look like you have the proportions of someone who never had LL.
he looks normal WIHTOUT lifts, but with lifts it is a bit disproportionate (too short arms).
RG, what is your wingspan??
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I think you look pretty normal at 180. Most people, if any, wouldnt notice your proportions.
Its most important you are fine. In my eyes you look to bulky on your short Body. And the lifts are so fk in wierd. Your walking must be funny. Actually the girl looks not hot in my eyes. So i think hot women will never give you a chance as they See you are short AND you cant handle it.
Fuq these haters! Coppkillr, post a pic of your proportions. If you can't then you're just bitch and you should shut the fk up.
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lol again, im happy with my looks, dont get me wrong i would love to be 180cms! but i think going through another surgery like that is too risky when im already above 170. i honestly do not feel much different being 172 or 175-76, everything starts looking almost the same, very weird. but then when i was 163 everything really looked much different.
what can i do, just let the haters hate, i really dont give a crap, i really don't, i only care for the ones that are serious about leg lengthening and can benefit from my experience.
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lol again, im happy with my looks, dont get me wrong i would love to be 180cms! but i think going through another surgery like that is too risky when im already above 170. i honestly do not feel much different being 172 or 175-76, everything starts looking almost the same, very weird. but then when i was 163 everything really looked much different.
what can i do, just let the haters hate, i really dont give a crap, i really don't, i only care for the ones that are serious about leg lengthening and can benefit from my experience.
yeah RGKEY , dont risk your health doing femurs, you look really well with 172. And you are sucesfull with women at your height, so no need to do more
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There is a thread with my Proportions. I am not a hater. But it is crazy to wear such lifts. Everybody notices it and it Shows What problems u have with your shortness. And still nobody can be proportioned with 9cm tibia. U should have done femur
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There is a thread with my Proportions. I am not a hater. But it is crazy to wear such lifts. Everybody notices it and it Shows What problems u have with your shortness. And still nobody can be proportioned with 9cm tibia. U should have done femur
We got it. It's your opinion, stop shoving it down everyone's throat now.
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Man this is a forum to discuss. If someone puts pics on it, it is regular to comment. I think it is worth bc many think they can go from 162 to 180. This is crazy. I am 177 and I would only do 5cm on femur.
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i think going from 162 to 180 is as crazy as going from 177 to 182cm in my eyes. but then again, im kinda a crazy person under societies perceptions. Being crazy is normal my friend as the russians would say lol
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me at 178, this is how you should wear your pants to make your tibias look smaller, i have about 7cms with this boots and lifts
(http://i.imgur.com/Cy5t0eol.jpg)
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Wow, you look really good in that picture, and your tibiae look very normal in length. That's quite impressive. Well done! Hope you and the lucky lady had a good time lol.
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surprised that 178 is much more proportionate than 180!
what's your wingspan? I still notice the wingspan (short arms)... legs length vs torso is OK.
but yeah 163 cm to 180 cm is pretty insane, I cannot imagine you were so short.
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i think going from 162 to 180 is as crazy as going from 177 to 182cm in my eyes. but then again, im kinda a crazy person under societies perceptions. Being crazy is normal my friend as the russians would say lol
the Russians ARE crazy ;D
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Hi RGKEY
You look good! Strong upper body and individualistic creative style! And the girl is hot ;)
All the Best
Greetings Morpheus
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RGKEY stick with the Russian girls :P
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THANX Morpheus34 :) I TRY
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RGKEY stick with the Russian girls :P
I WISH THERE WERE MORE OF THEM AROUND ME, ACTUALLY I FOUND SOME BUT NOT MY TYPE
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me at 178, this is how you should wear your pants to make your tibias look smaller, i have about 7cms with this boots and lifts
(http://i.imgur.com/Cy5t0eol.jpg)
you look very good is big change 163 CM TU 172 cm for man
just more mucle leg for more proportion
for more proportion femur +6 CM OR 7 cm is best
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Personally I think when wearing lifts you should try to wear looser fitted shirts to give off the appearance of a longer wider torso.
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So, RGKEY, why do you were successfully able to do 9 cm while others weren't? You don't seen at all debilitated by that amount of lengthening.
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Personally I think when wearing lifts you should try to wear looser fitted shirts to give off the appearance of a longer wider torso.
yeah maybe, but i dont like loose shirts, i feel fat lol
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So, RGKEY, why do you were successfully able to do 9 cm while others weren't? You don't seen at all debilitated by that amount of lengthening.
i think is 70% mental, its all about the mind set and how much you are willing to do and take from Leg lengthening, it most depends on the patients mind set, the doctor can only do so much for you.
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so big new i just got medical insurance, this mean that i might be able to fix my leg here in the united states!:)))
i was thinking as a joke of course to lengthen one femur and then have the insurance cover the other femur so i would only have to spend money for one hahaha:))
some updates, legs keep getting better, i do ellipticals for about one hour 5 or 6 days a week, today my dog ran out of the house and i had to run and chase him, so i did, i felt some pain after but now few hour later they are fine.
BTW, IM TALKING TO PEOPLE AT THE CLINIC WHERE I GOT MY LEGS DONE AND APPARENTLY OVER THERE IS A SAUCE FESTIVAL NOW DAYS HAHAHA!!!! NO GIRLS AND A LOT OF MAN DOING LENGTHENING, WOW I NEVER THOUGHT I COULD BE SUCH AN INSPIRATION FOR SO MANY GUYS, IM IMPRESSED. I WAS REAL LUCKY I GUESS FOUND MY SELF IN THE MIDDLE OF SO MANY BEAUTIFUL AND WONDERFUL GIRLS WHILE I WAS DOING LL, BUT I ALSO REMEMBER BEING ALONE WITH ONE OR 2 DUDES FOR FEW WEEKS OR EVEN A COMPLETE MONTH, SPECIALLY DURING NOVEMBER, DECEMBER AND JANUARY. AND LIKE I TOLD ONE OF MY GUYS WHO IS DOING GREAT ALMOST AT 9CMS! I TOLD HIM I MADE THAT PLACE MY HOME, ACCEPTED AS MY TERRITORY THAT WAS MY ONLY WAY OF SURVIVING THERE:)))
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That's great man, I hope you get your running in order.
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That's great man, I hope you get your running in order.
Thank you!
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I really feel like in one more year i will be close 100 percent recovered, so yeah it will be probably 2 years post frame removal and almost 3 years post operation.
(http://i.imgur.com/NWrHFW4.jpg)
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Nice brother. Good look. You are wearing lifts in that picture. How much ?
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Nice brother. Good look. You are wearing lifts in that picture. How much ?
I dont even know anymore, maybe 3 or 4 centemiters
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Looking great man! You proportions are okay, nothing weird with you, and your starting height is the same of mine... I'm lengthening my tibiae and I was thinking to stop at 6.5 cm, basically because of proportions thoughts, but maybe I could go for more... You're the guy with bowed right leg right? How will you manage that point?
Lumiere
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Looking great man! You proportions are okay, nothing weird with you, and your starting height is the same of mine... I'm lengthening my tibiae and I was thinking to stop at 6.5 cm, basically because of proportions thoughts, but maybe I could go for more... You're the guy with bowed right leg right? How will you manage that point?
Lumiere
thanx man. i think no one should do LL in tibias less than 7cms, it is too much effort for such short gain!!! i would say at least 7cms and ideal 9 or 10cms. fk proportion no one notice it only the proportion freaks in these forums lol
i have left leg bowed. I'm going to try to fix it here if my insurance covers it. i hope.
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What about the tendons surgery?
Lumiere
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thanx man. i think no one should do LL in tibias less than 7cms, it is too much effort for such short gain!!! i would say at least 7cms and ideal 9 or 10cms. fk proportion no one notice it only the proportion freaks in these forums lol
i have left leg bowed. I'm going to try to fix it here if my insurance covers it. i hope.
I think you're looking at it the wrong way and people may interpret your statement as fk it, I am not doing less than 7 cm no matter what. While the gain in height is small in 6 cm or less the reduced complications and less time recovering and limping are huge yet sometimes unacknowledged intangible benefits.
I'm doing 5 cm on tibiae and I am pretty satisfied with my decision. It all depends what your priorities are. I was a only 5'4 and with 5 cm it would only put me at 5'6 which is still short. Shorter than a lot of you guys post LL and even some guys pre-LL(those fkers). However I wore 5 cm lifts and I had an awesome life before. Friends, girls, money that I made on my own. I never have to remind myself why I did this because I remember my height was always a personal issue with me. I m just doing this basically to knock that insecurity away.
When I came to this forum I was dead set on 10 cm, but as I learned more about the procedure and weighed the risks against the advantage(which there is only one: you are x amount of cm taller, anything else anyone thinks this surgery will grant them is just a delusion), my expectations for height gain lowered. I was down to 7.5. I consulted with doctors and that eventually lowered it to 5 cm with a max of 5.5 if everything goes smoothly which so far it has.
From reading your diary which inspired me by the way at first, I think you and I have similar ways of thinking, which I interpret to be do what you want not what every one thinks they want of you and you cannot get rewards if you're afraid of taking risks.
That being said this is no bull nose job or going to tan bed(where it appears the Guidos try to see how far can they go), you still have to thread carefully, asses the risks and figure out how that will affect your personal goals, not just during recovery but also post recovery. After the frames and then nails come out I want to put LL behind me and never look back. I don't ever want to have to constantly deal with complications from this or ever wear lifts again. I want to continue my life and do the things that I do best.
also if my personal opinion of you matters to you at all, I think you're a good looking guy(maybe a couple notches better looking than me, no homo).
You should lose the lifts and fix the leg.
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I think you're looking at it the wrong way and people may interpret your statement as fk it, I am not doing less than 7 cm no matter what. While the gain in height is small in 6 cm or less the reduced complications and less time recovering and limping are huge yet sometimes unacknowledged intangible benefits.
I'm doing 5 cm on tibiae and I am pretty satisfied with my decision. It all depends what your priorities are. I was a only 5'4 and with 5 cm it would only put me at 5'6 which is still short. Shorter than a lot of you guys post LL and even some guys pre-LL(those fkers). However I wore 5 cm lifts and I had an awesome life before. Friends, girls, money that I made on my own. I never have to remind myself why I did this because I remember my height was always a personal issue with me. I m just doing this basically to knock that insecurity away.
100% correct.
This surgery is individual but there are basic rules to keep in mind. Your tibia should never be longer than your femur ever as it ruins your bio mechanics. Initial height is also very important when deciding what to lengthen. A guy who is 165 cm naturally has a smaller everything than a guy who is 175 cm. Therefore can't lengthen as much without putting significantly more stress on his body which may or may not lead to permanent complications.
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Yeah agreed in terms of perspectives, it depends on what makes you feel good. And i can only talk for my self, if im gonna break my legs and go through all this i dont think is good less than 7cms. That is just me thou. About complications and recovery, i think is bull , nothing is proven in terms of complications and how much you lengthen, too many factors involve. And about recovery yes it will take long to recover no matter what, the mpre u lengthen the more it will take. But to me im not gonna plan a trip to Bahamas and not go to the beach, you know what i mean!? You dont hve to be me you just do what you want homie lol.... the same as right now im on a diet and sometimes i have a cheat day and eat all the f..uck i want... that is how i am and you people do what u want... if you benefit from what i say fine and if not also fine, im not here to debate or argue with anyone about anything :) love u all.. btw, moat people i know who want to do LL are real pussys, and don't do the work that is necesary to do to come out as a champ post LL
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I really feel like in one more year i will be close 100 percent recovered, so yeah it will be probably 2 years post frame removal and almost 3 years post operation.
(http://i.imgur.com/NWrHFW4.jpg)
Good looking guy!!! You have a bright future. I am glad everything went well for you! :D
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thanx Tom.... and to think that I was 163cms and 225 pounds not that while ago is f..cking crazy!! hahaha
(http://i.imgur.com/a3HdSNSl.jpg)
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Hey RGKEY,
What length were your segments before the lengthening?
I would not have even been able to get 9cm's on my tibias even if I wanted, the length difference between my segments is only 8cm's.
Great diary btw and good luck with your recovery!
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If you plan a trip to Bahamas and you get there and its shark season you sure as hell better not go to the beach.
About complications, i had my doctor who told me, do up to 10 cm if you want to, there is no rule that says its wrong to do that amount but I have had many patients and my experience shows that they are more likely to have problems.
I told him spending this money for anything less than 6 cm is not worth it. HE said ok but youve been warned.
I later thought about it and realized that he actually knows what the hell hes talking about and I am just some guy who is thinking this much money=this much lengthening. I decided to take the more conservative(pussyish) approach and turns out I am satisfied with my decision.
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thanx Tom.... and to think that I was 163cms and 225 pounds not that while ago is f..cking crazy!! hahaha
(http://i.imgur.com/a3HdSNSl.jpg)
May I say that you look a lot better now! :o
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WoW bRO! , i have never seen that picture before, WTF! you have changed a lot! , marvelous ! and you are going to change even more, i want to see you ripped this summer ! 8)
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Kudos RGKEY. You have really worked your ass off to improve yourself over the years. You deserve all the girls/happiness you get man, good work!! Yellowspike approves 8)
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Kudos RGKEY. You have really worked your ass off to improve yourself over the years. You deserve all the girls/happiness you get man, good work!! Yellowspike approves 8)
thank u man!
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WoW bRO! , i have never seen that picture before, WTF! you have changed a lot! , marvelous ! and you are going to change even more, i want to see you ripped this summer ! 8)
i will man, thank you!
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How long are your tibias now?
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How long are your tibias now?
I don't know
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Hey Rgkey, how old were you when you first underwent this surgery and how did you overcome all of the psychological anxiety/turmoil that ad up to and during the surgery e.g. what will I tell family/friends (where and why I'm a going away for so long?, job/school put on hold, and of course the hardest of them all .....what will I tell family and friends that noticed my marked height increase when i get back home? These are the kind of tough questions I ask myself now as I'm a prospective LL patient and I still am ambivalent when it comes to an answer lol. Anyways take care.
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hi,
Thanks for a classic diary.
so, i read that you were friends with oksana, so i am aware of that, but since you are so active on the forum:
have you heard that there are financial problems for patients in the clinic?
that incomptent director oksana created all of the problems because she chose to not tell anybody about prices changing majorly and not telling patient until day before surgery?
she knew about hospital prices changing for 5 months and told nobody.
she knew about nails changing mid-july and told nobody.
Patients are extremely angry right now and the potential patients that bought flight tickets and got visas and bought everything else they need? they were not told about price changes that oksana withheld. if they dont have the extra budget they are gonna get f*** too.
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incompetency should not hurt others
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Hey Rgkey, how old were you when you first underwent this surgery and how did you overcome all of the psychological anxiety/turmoil that ad up to and during the surgery e.g. what will I tell family/friends (where and why I'm a going away for so long?, job/school put on hold, and of course the hardest of them all .....what will I tell family and friends that noticed my marked height increase when i get back home? These are the kind of tough questions I ask myself now as I'm a prospective LL patient and I still am ambivalent when it comes to an answer lol. Anyways take care.
I was 29.
Read all my diary i made videos about ur concerns. Told everyone i just decided it to adventure in Russiax which was actually true, everyone thought it was because of a girl, or sonething like it. My height gains? No one really question it too much, some noticed it but not a big deal.
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Involgograd:
That is crazy, i did not know, hopefully there is a good explanation. I don't know since im not there anymore. Yes im friends with Oxana big time, i love that woman.
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7.5cm affected my balance, agility, and endurance permanently. Not much, but some.
The more you do, the more it affects you. I don't think there really is a magic number. It's all a matter of degree.
sorry to qoute such an old post, but isn't that based purely on your bone length anyway, like someone could do 7cm and it wont affect anything if they had super short tibia, but yeah i know your tib and femur were the same post op. that is obviously not a normal ratio but i understand it is acceptable if you care more about height.
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with my 9cms boots, working out at the gym, they feel comfortable but i had them cuz i forgot my sneakers, i though i make a video to look how they look witht he mirrors in the gym
(http://i.imgur.com/dHfNNK6l.jpg)
great to see you with long tibia and lifts, as we know lifts make yoru tibia appear even longer!
we are both in the same boat, i plan to wear lifts post op. as well.
i consider myself a shoe lift expert, i think your estimation on the height you get out of them is incorrect, not your fault, the advertised gain isn't the actual height gain, it is just the measured heal.
usually the most you'd get out of a big elevator shoe like that is 6cm compared to the floor, but in comparson to a regular shoe it would be 4cm as a standard shoe gives 2cm anyway.
so i would estimate you go from 172.5 to 176.5 via the shoe lift, if you were to state your barefoot height, which you should.
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i know you've been asked this a few times as well but could you reveal your wingspan, i just want to see how my arms would look after my LL and 4cm lifts.
this will help me decide if i do 4.5, 5.5 or 6.5cm.
overall i think your short arms are acceptable when you are in your lifts, my lifts wil give 4cm so i need to take that in account when doign my LL.
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are you planning to fix your bowed leg?
what was the cause for this?
why wasn't it fixed when you had frames on?
I actually wanted to know about this too.
On a side note, how is your athletic life nowadays?
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Hey man, could you post a clip of you walking??
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I FINALLY GOT XRAYS, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIX MY LEG IN THE STATES. MY INSURANCE MIGHT COVER IT. THE DOCTOR SAID THIS MIGHT BE USE AS A STUDY CASE LOL
(http://i.imgur.com/U1hX6Dll.jpg)
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Ouch. :o
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It looks bad bro. Hope it get fixed and everything goes ok
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I'm by no means a doctor but do your knees ever hurt? Seems like the cartilage in your knees is non existent
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RGKEY this diary is huge, can you maybe provide a summary of the bowed legs issue, at what point did it happen, what made it happen, if you could put that on the first post as well that would be useful for anyone reading this as it's important.
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i consider myself a shoe lift expert, i think your estimation on the height you get out of them is incorrect, not your fault, the advertised gain isn't the actual height gain, it is just the measured heal.
usually the most you'd get out of a big elevator shoe like that is 6cm compared to the floor, but in comparson to a regular shoe it would be 4cm as a standard shoe gives 2cm anyway.
why do you insist that all shoes give you a 2cm lift.. it is so untrue.. i do not have one pair of shoes that add 2cm to my height.. the only time i get 2cm or more is when i wear work boots.. dont say that all normal shoes add 2cm because it is giving people false information.. i even proved to you with 3 different pairs of my shoes in which none of them added 2cm to my height.. but you still insist that all shoes add the same which is such rubbish information.. and the 'shoe lift expert' comment is an absolute joke..
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I FINALLY GOT XRAYS, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIX MY LEG IN THE STATES. MY INSURANCE MIGHT COVER IT. THE DOCTOR SAID THIS MIGHT BE USE AS A STUDY CASE LOL
(http://i.imgur.com/U1hX6Dll.jpg)
its painful to look at.. how has that affected your walking?
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damn dude, your legs are pretty bad, both of them... you say fix your leg, but both legs are bad.. both legs are badly bent. your left leg looks worse, but the right one isnt good either... your left tibia is all out of shape, and the left fibula is warped. basically, all the bones in your leg are deformed.
its really bad, actually... i cant believe how deformed your legs are to be honest.... they look worse now compared to before. there had to be more bending since you took off frames
im kind of in disbelief to be honest... i cant imagine you walking normally now ... i couldnt walk normally with my deformity, and that was one leg... i had deformity in 2 planes though, so its possible that caused me more issues, but your legs are beyond bad
i really cant imagine you walking now... id like to see video of how you currently walk
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Sorry I don't like to repeat my self. If you can not go through a huge diary to answer ur own question, i wont do it for u or for anyone, im no bodies dad lol
My walk ia good and i started training judo but bc of muscle soreness i stopped. It's your choice to believe what u want to believe. I walk fine dance etc normal. But i hate my bowed leg lol it does not look good. Its not about the deformity its about the axes. My right leg looks fine the doctor told me its fine the axes are fine but not for my left. But apparently there are many doctors in these forum lol
I have appointment thia tuesday with specialist will see what he says.... wish me luck
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Good luck, let us know what the doc says
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Sorry I don't like to repeat my self. If you can not go through a huge diary to answer ur own question, i wont do it for u or for anyone, im no bodies dad lol
My walk ia good and i started training judo but bc of muscle soreness i stopped. It's your choice to believe what u want to believe. I walk fine dance etc normal. But i hate my bowed leg lol it does not look good. Its not about the deformity its about the axes. My right leg looks fine the doctor told me its fine the axes are fine but not for my left. But apparently there are many doctors in these forum lol
I have appointment thia tuesday with specialist will see what he says.... wish me luck
yes, the right leg does look fine.. its just your left leg that looks bad.. but its true that to someone that isnt a doctor that x rays can be misleading, thats why we ask how ur walking is.. main thing is your feeling fine.. its more the long term u may need to think about.. good luck
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How will your doctor treat it?
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damn dude, your legs are pretty bad, both of them... you say fix your leg, but both legs are bad.. both legs are badly bent. your left leg looks worse, but the right one isnt good either... your left tibia is all out of shape, and the left fibula is warped. basically, all the bones in your leg are deformed.
its really bad, actually... i cant believe how deformed your legs are to be honest.... they look worse now compared to before. there had to be more bending since you took off frames
you are correct.
(http://oi60.tinypic.com/vpkydj.jpg)
But apparently there are many doctors in these forum lol
rgkey you say that because deep down you only want to believe what you want to believe. sometimes people only find or see what they choose to see.
both your legs are messed up. look the mechanical axis middle of the knee cap to middle of the ankle is not even running through the bone for your right leg. that is completely crazy. I bet you alter your gait to accommodate this.
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the right leg is not fine
dont need to be a dr to see it's deformed and bent...
the tibia and fibula are deformed on both legs, not just the left
its impossible that your gait is fine.... stop lying to yourself.. that is why your legs are even worse now
look at the bottom of your fibula on the right leg, its warped.... look at the tibia.....its also noticeable bent,... its just that compared to your left leg, its not as bad
i dont know how anyone can look at that x ray and say your right leg looks fine.
youve had this now for awhile. need to fix as soon as possible
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The right leg could be fine, just being put in an awkward position because it has to compensate for the left leg's deformity.
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the right leg fibula is bent at the bottom... thats not caused by his posture... its a very acute bend, which then goes in the opposite direction
the same for the tibia...the tibia goes one way, then bends in the opposite direction, horizontally... that is not caused by his posture
im sure mr bones can post a photo showing where the bend is... its pretty obvious though, on the upper right tibia
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That's very minor. I don't think it will affect anything.
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I haven't read much from this forum. Rgkey is that your xray? Man, that's gonna affect your gait and possibly many other things in the long run.
You should talk to that Dr. from California maybe he can help.
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We'll see tomorrow when specialist examines me.
No offense but i would only believe a doctors opinion over anyone elses assumptions. As Dr. Barinov told me when talking about indian doctors: "even the worst doctor for LL in the world will know more than any patient" i completely agree. The first orthopedic doctor told me right leg is fine left is not. Im also posting my xray. Now, you decide what to do with the information i provide, i can careless what you think or what you do with it. My only intention is to provide with information that i would love to have had before i did leg lengthening. Im living my life, doing my thing, im the man, every one who knows me knows that. And after LL life is for sure better even with my bowed leg, but not for long. If doctor tells me right leg needs to be fixed then i will fix it too. I also sent my xrays to Dr. Barinov. He is on vacations right now so i will wait to see what he says. But my right leg looks the same as when i finished LL. Most people post correction look like that, not statight bones, he says it's normal, "what do you want? Straight bones or straight looking legs?" My right legs looks a little bend because i had correction done on that leg as well, i had a little bowed legs to start with.
so for all the experts of leg lengthening, take the information i provide and do whatever the F..k u want to do with it, but for future Lengtheners, dont let ur self be fooled by peoples assumptions of the truth, specially when they have nothing to back it up with but their opinions that are base on unreliable sources. Im not expert that is why if i answer anything about LL, other than my own experience, do not take it as the last word, as the truth, I can only give my opinion and my own reference experience. I say this because wvery day i get emails from people asking me questions that should be asked to doctors not to me.
One more time. I did 9 cms, in about 10 months, life post LL is awesome, but life was always awesome anyway. I walk fine, lift weights, do martial arts, dance, have plenty of sex, can run but nor for long and dont even try anymore. I stopped using lifts, just sometimes, but honestly i feel the same with or without so i quit them lol
That is all for now guys, ill be posting more after tomorrow. I was away from the forums cuz you know i have a life to live and is addicting. I tickle the idea of doing femurs but i feel good now with my height and proportions. Im making money, plans to travel, enjoy life etc.. we'll see what doctors says tomorrow, maybe he tells me my legs need to be cut off for good lol i promise to post pictures of that!
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One more time. I did 9 cms, in about 10 months, life post LL is awesome, but life was always awesome anyway. I walk fine, lift weights, do martial arts, dance, have plenty of sex, can run but nor for long and dont even try anymore.
how long until u were able to do heavy squats and things from operation?
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Im not Doctor but get someone reliable and get it fixed before it gets worse. Also Im not sure if Dr Barinov should be advertised on this website after seeing this.
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Im not Doctor but get someone reliable and get it fixed before it gets worse. Also Im not sure if Dr Barinov should be advertised on this website after seeing this.
I think the same.
RGKey, wish you the best! Let us know what the doctor says and keep goin'
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I fear that this humble story is about to have a sad ending..
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so dr barinov says,
"what do you want, straight looking legs or straight bones??"""
im pretty sure id pick straight bones....if it has to be mutually exclusive
and your right leg now has valgus, not bowed
and barinov is known for this
the old forum has a few patients that posted photos, and people on the board commented that the pictures showed legs that werent straight... the patient then mentioned this to barinov, and he suddenly saw the problem and started to correct
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It is nice to see that you keep a positive mind, credits to that!!
Nevertheless you will suffer severe arthritis if you do not fix your legs.
Most likely you have back pain when standing up for longer times and I know running is out even if you can do it if you focus.
I have a lot of knowledge from this. Not just from my own lengthening journey but from our personal athletic physio therapist in the national team. I've had contact with him for at least 15 years now and a couple of others to whom I spoken to.
Lots of people have some kind of issue when walking/running or anything and they haven't even done any surgery to themselves.
We, who messes our bodies up, will have life long issues when doing sports. That's just the way it is.
A person who did 9cm in one segment can forget about doing squats without hurting himself. The bio mechanical axis is forever way off.
It can be possible with low weight(20-30kg) but it will most likely just hurt the back instead of working out the legs.
I hope you can fix it as good as possible.
Best of luck!
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Thanx guys for the good vibes!
Im right now at the clinic waiting for the doctor, im bored as hell!! Just had some more xrays and got a date with the nurse who took my xrays lol she asked me what happened "an accident "? I said yes, if i end up seeing her again i will tell her the truth, i would like to see her reaction lol she said if i didn't see the xray i would never thought you had a problem, she also thought my xray does not look so bad and that this doctor is really good doctor. Ofcourse she is not a doctor so will see.
Ill be posting soon...
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rgkey,
you need to stop lying to yourself my man
the nurse said your x ray is not that bad? she's lying or drunk
your x ray is bad, but not just regular bad, really bad... i dont believe for 1 second that you're functioning normally with those legs
and sweden is right... you will have arthritis if not fixed, and fixed soon.
i know my post is harsh, but you are not being honest with yourself, and trying to convince yourself that you're okay, or not so bad
YOUR LEGS LOOK REALLY REALLY BAD AND MUST BE FIXED ASAP
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He's taking x-rays now, I think that it is ASAP enough.
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rgkey,
you need to stop lying to yourself my man
the nurse said your x ray is not that bad? she's lying or drunk
your x ray is bad, but not just regular bad, really bad... i dont believe for 1 second that you're functioning normally with those legs
and sweden is right... you will have arthritis if not fixed, and fixed soon.
i know my post is harsh, but you are not being honest with yourself, and trying to convince yourself that you're okay, or not so bad
YOUR LEGS LOOK REALLY REALLY BAD AND MUST BE FIXED ASAP
Hahaha drunk!? I wish!!!!
You from new york right!?
So we can meet one day... im sorry if your situation is fked up man. Im fine, well kinda.
Just finish with the doctor. He said left leg needs to be fixed. Bones are healed. He said for now it's ok but in the long run it will give me knee problems. It needs to be corected. Right on the other hand said it looks ok, there might be some correction to do but for the most part it's fine. He asked me to get a full length xryas from the hips. He needs to measure the angles and everything to precisely know how much i need to correct and also that will determine the type of surgery i need. He said everything can be fix. So good news!:)
Cheese and bacon!!! I know miserable people will always want other people to be miserable as well!! And please do not come with that that you people care about others in the forums cuz you don't and that is completely fine. I just wish everyone had the awareness to see it.
I see it even with my supose to be friends. Always judging, and complaining and negativity, i feel sorry for such people and im trying to change their mentality. I guess they have to fix it by them self.
I ask doctor if i could lift weights. He said "you can do anything you want, anything you can tolerate . I asked about my muscle pain and soreness next to the bone. He said i just have to give it time, with tome it will go away. I actually recorded the audio of the appointment i dont know if i can post it, i dont know how. Anyone knows how?
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g man, taking x ray is fine... but who cares about the x ray.... hes had this situation a long time... he posted x rays like a year ago where you could see how bent his leg was... this is just time wasting
if you notice, he says in his post
"its ok for now" etc etc
just more excuses to not get it fixed soon
people on this board need to be more realistic, and truthful with others.... i do not care if i come across as harsh or direct.
rgkey, of course we dont care about you... we dont even know you... just being truthful... dont need to care about someone to give you good advice
ill put this another way...
is there anyone on this board that would get lengthening if they thought their leg would end up like his??? im guessing no...
barinov has had many issues... this is not the first time a patient has suffered with crooked legs... go on old forum and look for yourself
my leg was bad... past tense, but i got it fixed
i know what a leg deformity does though... sore body, sore joints,etc... and that's just the beginning... life gets better when your deformities are fixed
but since this board is full of children that need to be told how wonderful they are, how great they look,etc...
rgkey, your leg looks ok. dont worry , youll be fine, no big deal... no need it rush to get it fixed... do it on your own time, maybe in 5 years or so when you have the time
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5 years!? What r u saying? Im gonna get it fix this year but no need to panic it is not an emergency. I just talked to an american specialist in correction and those were his exact words. I never said i was completely fine but im not bad, i lift weights and do heavy judo throws and dance better than most people without leg lengthening probably lol and the best part is the doctor just gave me the ok to do whatever the fk i want to do. So i don't understand what the problem is!? Am i from another planet? Hahaha...im feel fine, not 100 percent, but i can do whetever i can tolerate, i will fix my legs not in 2 or 3 years, in a few months... and i u want we can meet and i assure you i can move my legs much better than ur legs even after u corrected them lol were u the one who wanted to kill him self? What truth are u talking about? Talk about ur thruth not mine
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rgkey
kill myself over my leg correction??? huh???
listen,
dont get angry because im saying the truth
the fact youre getting so rattled is proof of this
i told you already... keep telling yourself that youre ok, not so bad, can dance better than anyone.
its not my issue... im just saying to you what everyone is thinking..
not one person reading this thinks your legs are fine... or to use your words, not that bad...
if youre actually going to fix it... then great.... i just dont believe you, otherwise i wouldnt have even posted.... why fix it when you can already do everything better than everyone else... it does not make sense
rgkey, no offense, but your offer to meet is disingenuous, and to be truthful... i have very little interest in meeting people from this board, with the possible exceptions of yellowspike or medium drink of water....
im sure your legs work much better than mine, and all will be ok
happy now? no reason for me to keep saying what everyone else already knows....
i'm audi 5000 from this thread
anyone thinking of barinov needs to look at these x rays,then go over to to the old forum, and look at a few of those diaries... be careful
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How about if people have something negative to say, they can keep it to themselves? I think OP has made it pretty obvious that he is here to help people who are considering LL by sharing his experiences. He's not interested in anyone else's (negative) opinions or comments.
OP is generous enough to keep us all updated through his journey and actually post pictures/videos, which, to me, shows a very high level of respect for others (so many people start heavy on the posts, promising to update but then disappear after a couple of weeks).
Time is valuable, and for him to take his own personal time to help people he hasn't even met - here is a person with moral integrity and actually does care about helping others. So why don't we all keep our negative comments to ourselves and act like adults, and hopefully OP will be kind enough to continue posting his journey for us.
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You don't have to be negative to be truthful. RGKEY tells the truth, but he faces it (and tells it) with positivity. You are interpreting his positivity as dishonesty but I don't find that to be the case.
Stay positive RGKEY, not that you need me to tell you that :D !
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I know!! the steroids get me angry lol
And maybe u r right, im trying to tell my self all these lies so maybe one day my thoughts will fix my legs and will make me GOD. I think reporti g to one forum is enough. Plus I dont like old forum since every time i post there no one replies to me, but here at least i entertain my self talking back to the trollers lol
I think if someone is interested in LL they will find me anywhete and will read every single diary regardless where it is.
Im glad there are some crazy people like me up there, and smart enough to see things for what they are not for what they seem.
The fact that i took and take my time to write this diary with vedios pictures etc.. of my life has to count for something, i hope lol
Im not so active here lately but i hardly doubt there are many diaries who have the real documented information of LL experience and post LL as I do. There are but not many. And yes it is true i many times post my opinion and things outside LL but all counts since LL is a big part of my present life. And this is a diary not a manual of what you should or should not do. I dont talk to talk i walk to walk. And i post what i think its important and relevant to post, and that is all i want to do. And thank you for talking to me whatever negative comments u have to say. At the end of the day in days like today when i feel like coming to the forum, you give me a reason to post something and entertain my brain at least for a minute or so.
And as taller said : You dont need to be negative to be truthful., i couldn't say that any better!! Learn from people! Dont waste yr time pointing fingers to validate your own insecurities.
I have a friend from LL who awhile ago told me "i wouldn't wear lifts it's like lying yo your self, it's not real" and months later gess what... he was going to the clubs with lifts and he felt better and even hooked up with few girls, and even had sex... become a better version of your self, to do that you need to drop your false believes, be humble and learn from people.
Tomorrow maybe i will have an accident and maybe i will not walk again, now only i will decide if that will be a problem in my life or not. That doesn't mean i will walk but that means i will not allow my self to be miserable because of it. If you do not understand what im trying to say im really really very sorry. But i wouldn't be surprised either if you don't. I have faith everyone has their chance to wake up in life I hope to all LLers will not let it pass. From june of 2013 though may of 2014 were the best months of my life!!! I love my time in Russia, i love Dr. Barinov and everyone there from my heart. Im not saying by any means that i think Barinov is the best doctor, i never said that. People twist words to validate their opinions. Just like people think im lying to my aelf by been positive. I dont expect everyone to understand me but the ones who do. Really good for you! You are probably the crap! God mode i call it! And people who do not get me or think im a fool, im almost 100% sure, they are unhappy with their life and always will be that way until they decide to change.
Love to all. But don't get it wrong even with my cripple legs i can beat the crap out of most of the population in the word, yeah that's my ego talking hahaha... like Connor mcgregor said : "im cky and confident in prediction, but im always humble in victory" kisses babes!!! 8)
I apologies for my writing it's kinda hard to do it well from my phone lol i hope it's good enough.
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You don't have to be negative to be truthful. RGKEY tells the truth, but he faces it (and tells it) with positivity. You are interpreting his positivity as dishonesty but I don't find that to be the case.
Stay positive RGKEY, not that you need me to tell you that :D !
Wow im impressed, you really get it!! I thought i was talking in a different language lol u are probably a genious or very close to it. Good for you!! And thank you for the good vibe!
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How about if people have something negative to say, they can keep it to themselves? I think OP has made it pretty obvious that he is here to help people who are considering LL by sharing his experiences. He's not interested in anyone else's (negative) opinions or comments.
OP is generous enough to keep us all updated through his journey and actually post pictures/videos, which, to me, shows a very high level of respect for others (so many people start heavy on the posts, promising to update but then disappear after a couple of weeks).
Time is valuable, and for him to take his own personal time to help people he hasn't even met - here is a person with moral integrity and actually does care about helping others. So why don't we all keep our negative comments to ourselves and act like adults, and hopefully OP will be kind enough to continue posting his journey for us.
I don't know who is OP, bit he does sounds like a good dude or girl, i hope i didn't say something bad about him or her....
And yes i agree. But you know what, it's good that people post their negativity, that's just the world we live in and couping and dealing with it is what matters, i will never let negativity in my life, well sometimes i do for maybe few minutes, but not for long. Plus i work out and do Judo to drop the tension, oh and masturbarte pretty much every day! Haha lol it helps a lot trust me, and girls masturbarte even more than guys!! And i love it haha.. anyway lol
There will be always negative people, and experts and politicians, president type of minds, etc...
Oh i forgot to say:
So check this out....
I was at the doctor office. The mother fker didn't close the door and was.loud as hell, so pretty much everyone on that floor knew i did leg lengthening hahaha... that was a good test for me to come clean lol and he was auto recording him self with a tape recorder so he was really loud. Then another doctor heard about it he came and start asking questions, and he said why he did that?? Vanity? ?? And gave him a face like, he is stupid hahaha i just laugh, and thought to my self that is funny. Honestly many times i dont tell people abit my LL more because it will need a lot of explaining for something that i think doea not need explanation.
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It is nice to see that you keep a positive mind, credits to that!!
Nevertheless you will suffer severe arthritis if you do not fix your legs.
Most likely you have back pain when standing up for longer times and I know running is out even if you can do it if you focus.
I have a lot of knowledge from this. Not just from my own lengthening journey but from our personal athletic physio therapist in the national team. I've had contact with him for at least 15 years now and a couple of others to whom I spoken to.
Lots of people have some kind of issue when walking/running or anything and they haven't even done any surgery to themselves.
We, who messes our bodies up, will have life long issues when doing sports. That's just the way it is.
A person who did 9cm in one segment can forget about doing squats without hurting himself. The bio mechanical axis is forever way off.
It can be possible with low weight(20-30kg) but it will most likely just hurt the back instead of working out the legs.
I hope you can fix it as good as possible.
Best of luck!
Thanx man, i actually admire you man, even thou at times you seemed depressed. You still moved forward and I respect that. Plus You are also a martial artist so even more respect.
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"OP" means Original Poster, the person who started the thread, which would be you. I was totally defending you I think you're awesome ;)
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"Crimson Tide" is being an asshat so I was defending you (RGKEY/OP).
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Was going to write a message saying sorry those last messages were so short... then I realized this
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No need to apologize Cali! Thank you for defending me, but there is also no need, i don't feel attacked. I actually think is good for me that people are like that. But im very touched by the fact that you try to protect my feelings, that is very humbling my dear friend. And thank you for that.
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hey Cali I hope u got my Pm, some people dont , dont know why
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once upon a time my legs were straight lol
I remember this day, I told Barinov I was going out on a date with a local girl I met online and he told me you better use crutches.... i fked up i must say... but hey it was a very happy day lol no regrets, everything has consequences for sure. Lesson learn.
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It doesn't look bad at all.
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rgkey,
im not negative.
by the way, I never said you have crippled legs... you will be okay if they just get corrected... i write these things because i know how i was with my leg, and also have an uncle with bad legs that ignored his problems, everyone in my family s told me he'll be fine, and 3 months ago he had to have his left leg below the knee removed
youre not crippled... its just a very important thing to get done... we are likely at a higher risk for arthritis as it is because of our surgery, even if our legs are pefectly aligned..
right now i need to lose like 25 lbs.... someone told me how awful i looked, and that I needed to lose it asap.. everyone else tells me i look fine.... the person that said i was fat is right though, and really got me attention.... i need to lose weight now
Crimson
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once upon a time my legs were straight lol
I remember this day, I told Barinov I was going out on a date with a local girl I met online and he told me you better use crutches.... i fked up i must say... but hey it was a very happy day lol no regrets, everything has consequences for sure. Lesson learn.
(http://i.imgur.com/MkjdQPDl.jpg)
Damn man, your legs look very good in this picture, what happened then? Have your bones been bent because you didn't use crutches? What happened??
Catagni told me that, after my frames will be off, he will provide my legs of resin tutors, maybe you should have done the same? I'm really sad for you man and I really hope your legs will be fixed, you don't reserve this...
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Where are you from RGKey? Would you send your x-rays to Catagni via email and ask him what he thinks? I think he will give your his advices.
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I remember that photo brother . Of the early days when your frames were out. Hope everything goes well and you could look like in the picture again. If you need to talk or anything that i could help you know that i will be there.
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So you were referred to an orthopedic specialist by your family doctor for your bowed leg, right? So your family doc knows you underwent LL?
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Today was legs day.
i went up on my squads. 100 pounds 4 sets 12 reps.
Few months ago i couldn't even do 90.
Im taking it slow. I could do more but i don't want to hurt my knees. As now im bulking and look like a panda haha
It's all good.
Maybe one day ill have my friend record my leg workout.
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https://youtu.be/MnVtSuLwXac
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Did you ask your doc is you are allowed of doing it? Pay attention man and good luck :)
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Looks nice. Congrats man!
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Dr. Barinov told me to dont do heavy weights on my knees, my doctor here says is ok to. Im just doing vey light weights. My knees are good so far
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Hey RGKEY, what was your own doctor back home's reaction when you informed them about your LL surgery? Did you feel at all any shame, discomfort in telling them? It must've been a bit of getting used to for everyone including you when you got back home and you're nearly a head's length (4 inches) taller. Thank you again for sharing your story with all of us.
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Dr. Barinov told me to dont do heavy weights on my knees, my doctor here says is ok to. Im just doing vey light weights. My knees are good so far
Hey buddy, can you speak russian?
Do the russian people understand english?
I've seen some videos about russia and it looks like most of them dont understand english, im thinking to go to russia as well, please reply.
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Hey buddy, can you speak russian?
Do the russian people understand english?
I've seen some videos about russia and it looks like most of them dont understand english, im thinking to go to russia as well, please reply.
Hi K007,
I am here in Russia, day #3 post operation with Dr Barinov. I can confirm that most russians do not speak english.With that said, atleast the people here in Volgograd are extremely respectful and have a good heart. Was quite in shock because i was expecting the opposite but really friendly people. If you want to come to Russia, try and learn as much Russian as possible it will certainly help.
Hope this helps :)
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RGkey how are you doing these days?
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Hey RGKEY, what was your own doctor back home's reaction when you informed them about your LL surgery? Did you feel at all any shame, discomfort in telling them? It must've been a bit of getting used to for everyone including you when you got back home and you're nearly a head's length (4 inches) taller. Thank you again for sharing your story with all of us.
HAHA YEAH, HE WAS SURPRISED AND EXCITED ABOUT IT IN A WAY,, THEN ANOTHER DOCTOR WAS SHAMING ME LOL AND ALL THIS HAPPENED WHILE HE WAS BEING LOUD ABOUT IT SO ALL THE OFFICE PRETTY MUCH FOUND OUT ABOUT MY LL LOL
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Hey buddy, can you speak russian?
Do the russian people understand english?
I've seen some videos about russia and it looks like most of them dont understand english, im thinking to go to russia as well, please reply.
I FORGOT MOST OF IT.. I KNOW SOME WORDS AND CAN MAKE SOME SENTENCES BUT THATS IT LOL
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Hi K007,
I am here in Russia, day #3 post operation with Dr Barinov. I can confirm that most russians do not speak english.With that said, atleast the people here in Volgograd are extremely respectful and have a good heart. Was quite in shock because i was expecting the opposite but really friendly people. If you want to come to Russia, try and learn as much Russian as possible it will certainly help.
Hope this helps :)
GOOD LUCK!! TRY TO ENJOY EVERY MOMENT AND MAKE WHERE YOU ARE YOUR NEW HOME UNTIL YOU LEAVE:)
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RGKEY, did you return your pre-operation healty? Can you run, jump, go down and up the stairs?
And I saw the picture, where you got an infection. Do you remember, how many continued an infection?
I got an infection 2 days ago, today the other needle got an infection on the same foot ((( I know it is individually, but want to know approximatly how many days it take.
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maybe i can but i dont try. i dont remember much by now lol everything i wrote on my diary,,, i cant really remember exactly
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Any updates?
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What about getting the external fixator installed then leaving for home and screwing it yourself each day?
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What the hell happened to your legs RGKEY?? Looks like you weren't too carefuly during consolidation. The bending is crazy. Should have done LATN
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Do you know what also helps consolidation is Red Maca Root, and Bone Broth. Google it. If you take these supplements then I guarantee that you will consolidate faster.
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hey people I know I've been away for awhile now.. well i almost killed my self and was in depression,, i regret it all..
haha.. im just kidding, all is the same... havent fixed my bowed leg yet due to logistics...I just feel there is a lot of more diaries now here and on the old forum so there is not much need for me to keep writing.. im just back since i saw i had few emails from some of you guys...
im not recovered 100% i dont think i will ever be!;/ its all good thou i knew this could happen
i can not run for more than a minute feeling pain on my muscles etc...
my calf muscles are stiff for the most part....
life is as always great, and sometimes i can not believe I was so small before hahaha!! i still feel short...
everything is good besides what i said...
i can squat and dead lift, i do it as part of my workout,, more reps less weight..
so i dead lift last time 3 set of 15 reps for 130 pounds. i could do a lot more but no rush...
i dont do leg press i heard they are bad for the knee.
not much to say.. hasta la vista amigos..
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hey people I know I've been away for awhile now.. well i almost killed my self and was in depression,, i regret it all..
haha.. im just kidding, all is the same... havent fixed my bowed leg yet due to logistics...I just feel there is a lot of more diaries now here and on the old forum so there is not much need for me to keep writing.. im just back since i saw i had few emails from some of you guys...
im not recovered 100% i dont think i will ever be!;/ its all good thou i knew this could happen
i can not run for more than a minute feeling pain on my muscles etc...
my calf muscles are stiff for the most part....
life is as always great, and sometimes i can not believe I was so small before hahaha!! i still feel short...
everything is good besides what i said...
i can squat and dead lift, i do it as part of my workout,, more reps less weight..
so i dead lift last time 3 set of 15 reps for 130 pounds. i could do a lot more but no rush...
i dont do leg press i heard they are bad for the knee.
not much to say.. hasta la vista amigos..
Nah Man
you freak me out at firstt second
glad you are doing fine
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LOL.. I KNOW...IM SURE MANY WERE LIKE, IT WAS ABOUT TIME FOR RGKEY TO FALL IN THE HOLE OF MY LIFE SUCKS AFTER LL.. HAHA
AS I JUST SAID TO SOMEONE OVER PM, THIS LL THING WILL ONLY MAKE YOUR LIFE BETTER, IF YOUR LIFE BEFORE LL WAS ALREADY GOOD. BUT IF YOU ARE WAITING FOR LL TO BE THE SOLUTION OF HOW YOUR LIFE SUCKS THEN YOU WILL BE ON A BIG ASS MESS. I KNOW SOME GUYS WHO THOUGHT THEIR LIFE WILL BE SIGNIFICALLY BETTER BECAUSE OF LL, THEY WILL HAVE MORE GIRLS, THEY WILL GET THE RESPECT OF PEOPLE, ETC... THIS IS ALL BULLcrap IT WILL NOT IF YOU DONT CHANGE THIS crap INTERNALLY..TRUST ME IT WILL NOT GET YOU GIRLS!! IT WILL COMPLEMMENT IT BUT THAT'S IT.
I THINK IT WILL HURT YOU MORE IF YOU THINK THE REASON YOUR LIFE SUCKS IS BECAUSE OF YOUR HEIGHT. BECAUSE WHAT WILL HAPPENS IS THAT ONCE YOU ARE TALLER YOU WILL REALIZE THAT NOTHING HAS CHANGED AND THEN YOU MIGHT FEEL EVEN MORE DEPRESSED THAN BEFORE LL.
AND AGAIN...STOP SENDING ME PM WITH QUESTIONS I ALREADY ANSWERED, OR QUESTIONS THAT YOU SHOULD BE ASKING THE DOCTOR OR THE CLINIC DIRECTLY,, I WAS THERE IN VOLGOGRAD IN 2013...A LONG TIME AGO... crap HAS CHANGED FOR WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD...
LAST TIME I CHECKED THANX TO ME IT BECAME A SAUSAGE FEST!! :P NO GIRLS AND MANY dckS.. SO I GUESS THE GOOD OLD TIMES ARE GONE..GONE...I GUESS AFTER ME EVERYONE THOUGHT IT WAS A FREE PASS FOR PUSSY LAND HAHAHA... WELL SORRY GUYS...I DONT KNOW WHAT TO SAY:///
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hi Buddy,How is everything? I hope everything is all right.I just decided to surgery in Dr. Barinov's hospital. To be honest,I am confused and not sure what to do as no one has given me any instructions and information in this surgery，i try to send an email to Dr because i fear that my leg could be bending but unfortunately no one told any information .i hope u can tell me u legs have some complications now because i see u invitation and the x-ray display u legs are bending and it was a normal complications in surgery that we cannot escape from？ So what should we do to avoid it happening,thx. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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hey Leon, i dont think u should have much complications now. i think now they use a rod post lengthening that will not allow any bending in the future.
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i can smell the power of another 5cms.... lol
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RGKEY 2.0
so I never thought, I would be actually considering doing this all over again...lol
well life is short, or the very least it could really be...
so i even forgot what it feels to walk around 163cms. Damm, I was really short, so I feel for my fellas that are in that situation, trust me i can relate. but the truth of the matter is that my new height is 172 and honestly, what i feel to be the most satisfying thing about my new height is when i have normal clothes and normal shoes (without lifts) and look at the reflect of my self anywhere I go and I really look better, I dont really look short, only when I see guys around 175cms and realize im shorter than them, then I realize f...k! am I that short stil!??l hahaha.
In terms of recovery, everything kinda remains the same, stiff legs, blablabla...can run,, yes i could and then i would have knee pain... can i dead lift? yes with no problem, well i can not go heavy but around 120 pounds 3 sets of 10-12 reps, i go very easy bc of my left leg is still not good for much effort. i can do Judo no problem really since it is on a mat and it doesnt put much pressure on the knee i guess.. still have some weird little anoying pains on foot and ankles.
over all I take it as if im just somehow limited but not handicap lol
Most importantly, can I beat the crap out of you and most people...fk yeah!;) haha I hope I dont have to do it for real lol It would probably be painful for days plus im a lover before a fighter haha.
So Ive ben thinking Jamal! I have some friends in Ukraine that would wait for me with open arms!:) and who knows maybe RGKEY will spread the love to the ladies in Ukraine "RGKEY 2.0" hahaha
cheers..
Let me know guys if you want me to make a video, i could answer your questions... i need to get into this Leg lengthening mindset again...! I might be back)))
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so let's say you are going to do 6cm on femurs (unless you dont care to look like a total freak and will do more). What then? You will be 178 and afterwards you will see people 180 and above and what will you do?
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Lol, I love this Rgkey guy. My favorite diary in here for sure.
Rgkey, wouldn't you wanna fix your f*cked up left leg before another LL? Isn't it still misaligned?
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so let's say you are going to do 6cm on femurs (unless you dont care to look like a total freak and will do more). What then? You will be 178 and afterwards you will see people 180 and above and what will you do?
Hi Tibike, very good point and question!:))
So, I was planning to start distraction of bones and then see day by day how my proportions look like, I think I can stretch 5cms and still look fairly proportional, honestely I think I would look much better and much more proportional than now, sometimes I feel mi tibias take literally have of my leg lol and that makes them look more skinny, I will see day by day and as long as I think Im looking good I will keep going, who knows.. maybe I will look like a freak to other people, but as long as I feel I look hot thats all I care:))
on your other point very good one as well, you are a smart person I can tell, i like it:))
so what I meant, was that still some people at 175-174 from far most of them look kinda short to my eyes, might be bc of ther leg torso proportions...so i want to be out of that bracket, am i making any sense.?? maybe not hahaha so people over 176 even from far I notice they look at least fine in terms of height. but you are right, there might be a chance that when i get to be 177-178, ill be like fk i wish im 183 very f..king true on that assessment!! I actually think it will be the case, as when I got to be 172...but...I know I will not allow my self to look like a freak for my own eyes, and I know the moment I go over 178 I will look like one from my own perspective. And I roll only this way...If you dont like something, change it, and if you can't, then accept it..so at 178cms, i will just accept the fact that that is the limit and as right now im happy with my height, i will be happy at 178 as well, so happiness has nothing to do with my height or looks at all,,,im just addicted to the rush of change and improvement if it can be done.
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Lol, I love this Rgkey guy. My favorite diary in here for sure.
Rgkey, wouldn't you wanna fix your f*cked up left leg before another LL? Isn't it still misaligned?
Hey CCMidwest, I appreciate your words...!
hahaha...yeah true fact.. I will fix my f**cked up leg before that. Actually I just emailed dr. jamal if I can fix my leg and do femurs at the same time. Im waiting on his answer... cursing fingers! If I can do everything in 3 months and be back to the states in around three months ill be like the song, "girls just wanna have fun" wtf! haha..my apologies, just had an expresso lol. much love.
btw, I've been thinking of telling every new girl I meet about my leg lengthening and video recorded, then post it here so you guys can see how they react to it...i think it would be interesting lol once i told a girl from the club and told her i was abducted by russians and they stretch my legs 4 inches hahaha.. i ended up taking this girl home, she was so interested, well she wanted to work for CIA you figure...
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based on the diaries of Jamal, I would stay away since everyone seems to get a non union.
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based on the diaries of Jamal, I would stay away since everyone seems to get a non union.
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This.
I understand wanting to be taller at 172cm (I'm 172cm or so), but man, save up and pick a better doctor.
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^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
This.
I understand wanting to be taller at 172cm (I'm 172cm or so), but man, save up and pick a better doctor.
thank you.. i havent made a decision where yet.. im just looking around and havent even read any diaries yet from his place. maybe one guy he has the same problem you mention. thanx for the tip.. i would look more into it for sure.
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thank you.. i havent made a decision where yet.. im just looking around and havent even read any diaries yet from his place. maybe one guy he has the same problem you mention. thanx for the tip.. i would look more into it for sure.
Tibike said it, but you're welcome.
btw, I've been thinking of telling every new girl I meet about my leg lengthening and video recorded, then post it here so you guys can see how they react to it...i think it would be interesting lol once i told a girl from the club and told her i was abducted by russians and they stretch my legs 4 inches hahaha.. i ended up taking this girl home, she was so interested, well she wanted to work for CIA you figure...
That's funny.
When I was in college my roommate had a broken ankle. I stole his crutches and went to the bar several times with them.
"I got attacked by my cat. Don't laugh! He's mean"
"I broke my ankle running from the cops. I'm a wanted man. Shhhh...it's our secret"
"Be a doll and go buy me a drink. Are you a mean girl that would make a cripple have to walk?"
"I'm not supposed to drink with my pain killers. If it f*cks me up, do you promise to take me home and take good care of me?"
Man, those were the days...
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Tibike said it, but you're welcome.
That's funny.
When I was in college my roommate had a broken ankle. I stole his crutches and went to the bar several times with them.
"I got attacked by my cat. Don't laugh! He's mean"
"I broke my ankle running from the cops. I'm a wanted man. Shhhh...it's our secret"
"Be a doll and go buy me a drink. Are you a mean girl that would make a cripple have to walk?"
"I'm not supposed to drink with my pain killers. If it f*cks me up, do you promise to take me home and take good care of me?"
Man, those were the days...
cool story man!! haha i might ue those lines lol..
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As today life post LL is still good.. I'm still an idiot for not fixing my leg yet.. but I'm still waiting for doctor Alexander Barinov to let me know when he can operate me in Czech republic. At this point i would not recommend anyone to go to him just because of the problem I have now and how long my problem is taking to be fixed. They handled my visa situation badly and now I'm stocked with this problem. I would like to think they are doing their best but honestly I don't think is enough. I feel bad saying this since they were always good to me while I was at the clinic. Unfortunately the facts are the facts.
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Hope you could Fix that Leg soon bro. I know all is going to be perfect
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As today life post LL is still good.. I'm still an idiot for not fixing my leg yet.. but I'm still waiting for doctor Alexander Barinov to let me know when he can operate me in Czech republic. At this point i would not recommend anyone to go to him just because of the problem I have now and how long my problem is taking to be fixed. They handled my visa situation badly and now I'm stocked with this problem. I would like to think they are doing their best but honestly I don't think is enough. I feel bad saying this since they were always good to me while I was at the clinic. Unfortunately the facts are the facts.
9 Cm in the tibia was a lot, but you're really strong to push your body through it
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As today life post LL is still good.. I'm still an idiot for not fixing my leg yet.. but I'm still waiting for doctor Alexander Barinov to let me know when he can operate me in Czech republic. At this point i would not recommend anyone to go to him just because of the problem I have now and how long my problem is taking to be fixed. They handled my visa situation badly and now I'm stocked with this problem. I would like to think they are doing their best but honestly I don't think is enough. I feel bad saying this since they were always good to me while I was at the clinic. Unfortunately the facts are the facts.
I thought you had insurance now and could get it fixed by a specialist here in the US that you had gone to see earlier this year. Did you not feel comfortable with that US specialist Dr? If your insurance will cover the cost of the corrective surgery I would say you should give very strong consideration to Dr. Paley for your tibia correction. I know you said only needed left leg corrected, but I think Paley's standards are pretty high and he'd straighten both legs and you'd end up very happy with your final result.
Anyway, for now your loving life which is great. Your game definitely is inspiring. Do you mostly work your pickup IRL or do you do much online? Was hoping you had a suggestion for learning better online game.
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Hi Rgkey,
Hope you are doing fine my friend.
What does Sir Barinov say about this incident?
Does he marked a date for you yet or has he been stalling time.
How is recovery going after all these years?
I assume you are near 100%?
Could you give me a good update,
I am planning to go with Dr Barinov in 2017/2018.
Have a good day!
Arch your homeboy
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I do not recommend anyone to go to Dr. Barinov at Clinic Davincci in Volgograd Russia from my own personal experience. They have failed in resolving my issue, it's been awhile now with this leg issue I have. I love them but the facts are the facts. Ill keep you all updated if there is any response from them.
Rgkey***
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What problems are you currently experiencing?
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crooked leg, knee pain and muscle stiffness and pain every freaking day
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So far:
I have a crooked left leg (pretty bad shape)
Right leg is not great.
I feel Stiffness every day and stretch every day as well. I feel pain on my left knee. Muscle pain in both legs. Can not run at all.
Ancle stifness as well. Overall Im fu**ked lol
I hurt my lower back 2 times already, my doctor said it might be related to my legs. So there you go.
Good news is Im happy, Life is good, met the love of my life!!! finally!! she stretches me every day. and she is hot lol
We will se how everything develops.
I know A lot of you guys want to go to Dr. Barinov. and as much as I like him. How can I recommend someone for something so important like leg lengthening to him, when my results are not good. I gave them a lot of time for them to fix this situation but it will be 3 years soon since I left Russia. Having a crooked leg due to medical negligent shouldn't be taken as joke.
I consulted with Dr. Pili and Dr. Catagni, both of them told me that both of my legs need to be fixed. And both agree that my left leg should be fixed immediately.
Antonina (someone who works for Dr. Barinov I believe) Has contacted. She seems concern and claims she will help my situation. We will see. I will keep you guys updated.
warm regards,
RGKEY
Here is my latest X-ray
(http://i.imgur.com/xyhOltb.png)
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Was it not possible to fix the bow while you had the frame on?
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Was it not possible to fix the bow while you had the frame on?
It happened post frame removal. He took frames too soon.
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It happened post frame removal. He took frames too soon.
Oh I see.. How long did you have the frames on after you stopped lengthening?
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you insisted that the doctor's take off your frame and then walked around the city against their advice - as you state in your diary...
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you insisted that the doctor's take off your frame and then walked around the city against their advice - as you state in your diary...
I've noticed that too ???
Edit: And still, I hope you can have your leg fixed soon, RGKEY :)
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Well if you say it is easy to blame the patient then by this logic it is equally easy to blame the doctor/clinic. You have no knowledge of the clinic in Volgograd, you have never been here. You have simply read a one-sided diary on the internet. If a patient is fed-up and depressed and insists the doctor remove the frames the doctor cannot force them to stay in Russia. For how long?? 4 months, 6???
Here is a good example of how some patients behave at the clinic to give some context as to why I write. Two patients were lengthening at the clinic and the doctor told them to stop at 6cm. The doctor’s would not treat them if they continued to lengthen and even took away the lengthening keys. The patients left the clinic, got an apartment nearby and went to the hardware store and bought a spanner so that they could turn the screws themselves and continue lengthening without any medical supervision. They lengthened to 11cm and 12cm respectively on their tibias. They then returned to the clinic weeks later and expected the doctor’s to correct what had clearly gone wrong. They could barely move! They became severely depressed but the doctor’s still took care of them as best they could.
Another patient made absolutely no effort after surgery and refused to walk in any way for weeks, and did not stop complaining of the pain. Of course there is pain!! Another patient wanted the doctor to take the frames off one day after surgery, saying he didn’t want to go through with it. The doctors said that he would have to wait at least three weeks before they could put a cast on his legs. Other patients would criticise the doctor’s as if they knew more about the procedure than them.
In truth, a number of patient’s undergo this procedure without researching what it entails. The only ‘research’ they do is reading these diaries. A number of patients (not all) also have varying degrees of personality/psychological disorders and other underlying forms/degrees of mental illness.
In the consultation before surgery, the doctors actually ask the patient to sign a disclaimer that the clinic can not be held responsible if the patient does not follow the doctor’s advice.
I know for a FACT that the doctor advised RGkey to stop at 6cm - he states this himself in his diary. He also states on numerous occasions how happy he is that he chose this doctor.
I had a look through his diary and have copied a number of quotes…
‘…you have no idea, I am so freaking lucky dude’ ‘I lengthened 9cms happily, ‘I love this girl Oxana, general manager of the clinic, I don’t have enough good words for her,so much love for her …I should have stopped at 8, I went over my physical limits, that last centimetre nearly killed me but Igot 9CM!!...the doctor here really prioritises your health which I think really should be number 1…if you are completely sure you want to go through with LL then choose this place…I don’t regret my decision even in my darkest moments, I would do it all over again…here in Volgograd doctors will tell you what to do but they will not force you…people get fked up because they did whatever the fk they wanted to do and not because the doctors are bad…do not rely purely on what people put in their diaries…(happy the doctors) offer a quick solution to my problems…if you were my family, my brother, my best friend and you decided to do LL I would force you to come here, that’s how much I love this place…Barinov, he is a master at what he does…after 8 hours walking, for the doctor to give me a compliment means a lot…I didn’t want to change these pins but Dr Barinov didn’t want me to risk anything, he always looks out for me, I love him!...I had hours of talk with Barinov about LL so most of what I know is from him, he is my source of knowledge…would I do it again? Yes, absolutely yes!... I might come back for my femurs, Dr Barinov told me I could do 5cm without complications!...i’m the luckiest motherfker alive, i’m’ so glad I did leg lengthening!!...I would do it all over again, I would choose the same doctor…
Re frame removal The doctor advised the patient that if he wanted to remove the frames then he would need to use crutches at ALL times…
Quote March 28 2014 - my legs are not fully consolidated but they can handle my weight and in a week the doctor will check if they are strong enough to walk without frames, fingers crossed now! 01/04/14, hopefully my legs won’t collapse, if they do life is life, no-one put a gun to head and forced me to do LL.. I feel I can walk with no problem now but doctor told me I must use crutches for 2 weeks, it is really annoying!!!!!!! this morning the doctor saw me walking with only one crutch and he got mad((( he told me that if I don’t use crutches my bone can bend and the correction I had can go off, and it wont look straight, so now I'm using crutches just because my doctor advice me so. I must be patient; I have gone so far to spoil my recovery for my stupidity…it is really annoying to walk with crutches!!! I will ask my doctor to check my legs on Monday, maybe I don’t need to wait another week, maybe my left leg is strong enough.. I think the correction of my left leg has moved just a little bit. I think it was my bad thou, I walked sometimes without crutches, I can only blame my self for that. But I don’t think is that noticeable.
April 18/02/014,Poster, why did he remove the frames, did you insist?
my legs were fine for walking but not 100% stable, I had 2 options he told me, keep the frames or remove them and walk with crutches. So I chose crutches of course!))
my last X-ray yes. everything was just ok to removed frames. he said that my consolidation was able to support all my weight vertically, but if I don’t use crutches, with movement they can bend to the side a little.
April 19 2014 So in this pictures I’m wearing 3.5cms lifts, plus the base of the shoe, today I am dating two girls! My legs hurt like a bitc*!!! especially after walking with lifts, my walking sucks!!! I need to start walking without lifts until I recover enough I guess,…must stop wearing lifts…
Thanx Sysop)) he said it (bowing) might be the muscle and also maybe the alignment moved a little bit. I know it was my mistake for walking many times without crutches when I wasn't supose to((((
Dec 2014 I was very lucky to end up in a good place…
Deathorb March 2015 Hello rgkey, I am in Volgograd at the same clinic. Could you answer two questions?
Why did you go against the doctors orders to come back to the USA? Was it depression or lack of sleep or something else? You appeared to have a good time in the clinic but also wanted to leave. And I believe you never got your own apartment, perhaps that would have been a nice change…’
Obviously there is now an issue with fixing his bowed leg.
It is not fair or accurate to slander Dr Barinov or the clinic on an anonymous internet forum. It is easy to say you do not recommend Dr Barinov - well I certainly do. So that balances that out!!
You should retract and apologise for such a cheap, nasty and baseless slander.
Dr Barinov treats 100’s of correction patients (mostly Russian females) every year as well as leg lengthening patients. He is an excellent surgeon and staff at the clinic - nurses, related hospital and admin staff - work very hard to achieve positive results and are dedicated to their work. Not every patient in any way chooses to write a diary. They strive to enjoy the journey and its challenges, make the best of life in Russia and work safely towards their dream of added height.
The issue is not the clinic or Dr Barinov - but that the patient felt that lengthening 9cm on tibias alone and to go against doctor’s advice would result in successful lengthening. This is a high- risk gamble.
One of the advantages of doing the surgery in Russia is that you are left to do a lot of the work yourself - this takes a certain amount of guts and courage that can only come from within the patient. It is not that difficult for the doctors to correct ‘standard’ complications - infections, axis etc - using the Ilizarov apparatus or with antibiotics etc. Most patients find that it is not as difficult as they thought it would be.
In relation to the visa, the patient could also - with the help of the clinic admin or on his own account - have taken responsibility and made the decision to leave Russia for a few days within the year ‘window’ (perhaps go the clinic in the Czech Republic or anywhere) and simply return with a new visa.
It is clear that Rgkey was more concerned with chasing girls then in committing to the journey of leg-lengthening and following best practice.
He should have decided to keep his frames on for much longer.
This is not medical negligence.
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th - I agree that he was busy chasing girls. I guess he got really caught up with the 9cm height boost. Sucks for Barinov that he gets called a 'bad doctor' when it was RGkey's fault all along....
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Is it just my eyes, or was his left leg already misaligned as shown in the xray one month before frame removal (page 2)?
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Is it just my eyes, or was his left leg already misaligned as shown in the xray one month before frame removal (page 2)?
This one?
my last x-ray left leg on 2/28/14
(http://i.imgur.com/QCjeB92l.jpg)
Yes, noticeably so.
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Maybe the worst misalignments I ever in LL.
It is surely a doctor's mistake than anything else. You must be a completely incapable doctor to have so bad results with ilizarovs.
This doctor should be avoided at all costs.
Rgkey your bones can be fixed but they need a capable doctor and plenty of time because you'll need more than one osteotomies to each leg to fix all the misalingnments.
Keep strong dude!
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Rgkey is very active in the other form. He is not doing well. He can't run, constant aches and pain. I hope he gets his legs fixed asap
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Rgkey is very active in the other form. He is not doing well. He can't run, constant aches and pain. I hope he gets his legs fixed asap
Which otherforum?
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why would he be in old forum ? and i think the misalignment was caused by too much weight bearing. The video where he was walking with the water made me cringe. I dont think it was dr. barinovs fault he decided to over work his legs while on frames.
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Feel sorry for this guy
4 months to consolidate for 9cms is nowhere near enough. He should really have been in his frames for 9-12 months to consolidate but that would test the patience of anyone.
If I were him I'd get them straightened out and 2-3cms taken off. 9cms on tibias is way way too much.
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I don't get this. He begged Barinov to take the frames off.. He walked without crutches WHEN Barinov told him to use crutches. Rgkey did NOT listen to Barinov. So Barinov is a bad doctor cause Rgkey didn't listen to him? I truely enjoyed this diary, HOWEVER Barinov should not be blamed when Rgkey did not listen to him and was to busy going on dates instead of focusing on his recovery.
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Maybe the worst misalignments I ever in LL.
It is surely a doctor's mistake than anything else. You must be a completely incapable doctor to have so bad results with ilizarovs.
This doctor should be avoided at all costs.
Rgkey your bones can be fixed but they need a capable doctor and plenty of time because you'll need more than one osteotomies to each leg to fix all the misalingnments.
Keep strong dude!
I was thinking that this misalignment was corrected before removing the frame and then it went bad again when Rgkey started walking without the crutches but this is not possible. Correction take place right after distraction so by the end of consolidation his legs should be perfectly aligned. It seems to be the docs fault.
They offered him some kind of a deal to fix it but I dont know whether this happened or not.
Edit
I looked through the diary in the old forum and this is what rgkey said about left leg
"Nice consolidation! To be honest, though, one of your tibiae seems a bit crooked. Do you have any corrections planned in the future? What does your doctor say about the alignment?" - some dude
actually the bone looks like that because of the correction i got. I had some bowing on my left leg and i developed some x on my right after lengthening, so it was necessary to fix to have perfect straight legs))) If you look at any x-ray of people who had deformities before and after their correction, it will look a little like this x-ray. The most important thing is that the axis are completely straight which they are. I had this concern a while ago even when I saw other peoples x-rays and the doctor makes a joke out of it, he says "what do you prefer, beautiful legs or beautiful bones" - rgkey
I think this alignment thing may be more complicated than we think.
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Maybe the worst misalignments I ever in LL.
It is surely a doctor's mistake than anything else. You must be a completely incapable doctor to have so bad results with ilizarovs.
This doctor should be avoided at all costs.
Rgkey your bones can be fixed but they need a capable doctor and plenty of time because you'll need more than one osteotomies to each leg to fix all the misalingnments.
Keep strong dude!
See mmmnative's diary. In private I could show you more.
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Guys I looked through his diary and his alignment on the xrays and there are few things people should know if they think about LL because ive been reading about it for 5 years and still learn.
1. RGkey actually right after frame removal took some pics of his legs and they looked much better to a point where anyone would have said that his legs look absolutely fine. Then he posted pics of his legs when he noticed that they look totaly messed up and then the new xray. Its my assumption but i think he messed up.
2. After looking at his xray I can confidently say that the standards in which doctors make a decision to take the frames off are totally different(I would say country-wise) As far as i know the is the general guild line to assess when a regenerate is consolidated enough to take all the bodyweight. It would make sense since they did tons of research about it.
3. The reality is totally different. When I was in eastern Europe and did my LL i talked to some ppl and they told me that some other folks got misalignment after frames off and i was like WTF? if bone is consolidates it should be all good. I though they talk crap. I talked to my doc and he said it almost impossible but sometime happens(lol) but usually the frames can be taken off after around 4 months and then 2 weeks in casts(actually cast,leg braces and loosing up the rods need discussion too but maybe another time)
5. Now im in the UK and my local doc is using TSF frames etc. I looked through my xray and my consolidation is much, much better than Rgkeys when he got his frames off and still my docs insist of keeping them on until front of the bone is fully consolidated(back of the bone consolidates much faster since its close to you calf)
Conlusion is that:
Russian, eastern Europeans, probably Indians take off frames sooner since patients insist and to a point they got it right because bone does not have to be consolidates form every side to be able weigh bearing. That's why they tell the patients to keep using fking crutches. But those idiots not only stop using crutches but also keep wearing backpacks, elevators shoes etc rather and keep themselves as light as possible.
In western world full of a suing culture they wait till the bone look full consolidated from each side so there is absolutely no chance to get bending or misalignment. Thats why my doc said that when my frames are off the is no need for crutches.
Also there is more to ilizarov frames and correction but im to lazy to write it down. peace.
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I don't get this. He begged Barinov to take the frames off.. He walked without crutches WHEN Barinov told him to use crutches. Rgkey did NOT listen to Barinov. So Barinov is a bad doctor cause Rgkey didn't listen to him? I truely enjoyed this diary, HOWEVER Barinov should not be blamed when Rgkey did not listen to him and was to busy going on dates instead of focusing on his recovery.
As I see from Xrays, the misalignment was there even when he still had Ilizarovs.
If that's true, then doctor really did a bad job.
If misalignment started after frame removal then it is patient's fault but and doctor's too because if the bone bridge is not strong enough by no way the doctor should remove the fixators.
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Rgkey may have made things worse, but that was a pretty strong misalignment to have just one month before removal.
I do not mean to disrespect Dr. Barinov (he obviously knows much more about the medical field than I do) but to me, it seems that it would have been best to correct the leg at the beginning of consolidation so that it could have healed in place. I think the only possibility is that the frame itself was faulty.
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Jesus he lengthen 9 cm on tibia and was still using lifts.
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Hello!!! i want to do the operation in Barinov's clinic. what do you think? i communicate with Antonina(info5@rucosm.com), she is a manager in the clinic. She is very cute and always answer quick, not like anjther manager.She said that doctor will help rgkey in his problem. did they help you?
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Hi RGkey,
How are you doing, have you done your corrective surgery?
Please update, let us know!
Best wishes,
Arch
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RGKEY is back…
I will make a video about everything that went wrong and right. My suggestions and what you should expect from doing 9cms on tibias. Also, what you should expect from this clinic in Volgograd Russia and Docotr Barinov and staff.
Thanks to everyone! and your kind messages!
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welcome back playa
looking forward to the update, overall how do you feel about everything, would you do it again?
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You must understand bone physiology and anatomy before you start walking post surgery. Doctors in Russia rarely uses nail which compromises healing. Second, walKing will damage soft callus formation, especially if you're slightly overweight seen from th vids. Misalignment might occur. 9 cm is way to much. Wish you best recovery
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Definitely due for that update!
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welcome back playa
looking forward to the update, overall how do you feel about everything, would you do it again?
thank you!? would I?? hmmm I guess i would, but definitely not with this doctor
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You must understand bone physiology and anatomy before you start walking post surgery. Doctors in Russia rarely uses nail which compromises healing. Second, walKing will damage soft callus formation, especially if you're slightly overweight seen from th vids. Misalignment might occur. 9 cm is way to much. Wish you best recovery
agreed... but I was never over weight during LL or post LL, I stayed between 145pounds to 165pounds. 9cm is neither too much or too little, it all depends on each individual case by case. Some people can take 9 with no complications others only 5. The doctor is the only one who should decide.
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Hi RGkey,
How are you doing, have you done your corrective surgery?
Please update, let us know!
Best wishes,
Arch
thank you! will do soon!
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Hey guys,,, updates:::
So Im fked, thanks to Dr. Barinov, CLINIC DAVINCI IN VOLGOGRAD-RUSSIA
Im about 3 months post surgery and no bone growth at all, none union of the bone.
My doctor here in the USA told me that it was a mistake to put some death piece of bone in my body. That is not recommended, if anything it should have been my own bone graft. Also, the space between the bone is too big for it to unify, the gap shouldn't be that much. Again malpractice.
Anyway I hate to say negative things about someone I really like, but the truth is the truth, and I wont lie about it. This was a bad decision and practice from Dr. Barinov. Im sorry again but this is the truth, at least my truth...
Now what's next??
Ill be getting a machine for bone stimulation for 6 weeks, if that doesnt work then my doctor here will operate me, he will take bone graft and put it in the broken area together with the bone stimulater machine he feels confident I have a good shot. If not, then He will have to operate again, take out the screws and put my bones together again.
Again Im sorry but I wouldn't like for this to happen to anyone else, so I must say it. Dr. Barinov is not a good Doctor after all. If you want to go ahead and put your legs on his marcy is your decision. Im just talking facts, Im not making assumptions or imagining. Unfortunately he mess up too many times now...
It bothers me to trash talk anyone, but I wouldnt like for someone else to think that at This clinic they did a good job with me, because they did not!
RGKEY IS GETTING MARRIED BUT UNFORTUNATELY, NOW IT IS BEING POSTPONE SINCE IM STILL IN CRUTCHES THANKS TO DR. BARINOV!!! AND I WILL BE IN CRUTCHES FOR OVER 6 MONTHS THANKS TO HIM, FOR SOMETHING THAT SHOULD NOT BE LONGER THAN 2 MONTHS.
IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR LEGS AND ABOUT RECOVERING POST LEG LENGTHENING I DO NOT RECOMMEND YOU TO GO TO VOLGOGRAD RUSSIA. BUT IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE CHANCE LIKE I DID THEN GO FOR IT, YOU MIGHT REGRET IT THOU... IM IN CRUTCHES AGAIN 5 YEARS POST LEG LENGTHENING, IF YOU WANT TO BE IN MY POSITION THEN BE IT...
3 MONTHS POST SURGERY, NO BONE GROWTH AT ALL
(http://i.imgur.com/dCJeQiI.jpg)
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Curious, how much do you attribute those problems do doctor and how much due to you going past 15-20% of bone length (which is 6-7 in someone 175cm tall)?
I think most are due to the later, however the doctor should of not allowed you to go past it
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Curious, how much do you attribute those problems do doctor and how much due to you going past 15-20% of bone length (which is 6-7 in someone 175cm tall)?
I think most are due to the later, however the doctor should of not allowed you to go past it
It's all case by case.. some people can only do 5cms.. so the doctor is 100% responsible of how much he allows to lengthen.
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It's all case by case.. some people can only do 5cms.. so the doctor is 100% responsible of how much he allows to lengthen.
Good luck with recovery although I think the patient should of researched before hand and has his responsibility as well. How's pain/normal life so far?
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Good luck with recovery although I think the patient should of researched before hand and has his responsibility as well. How's pain/normal life so far?
Yes, but you would never know as much as an expert (doctor), at least that is the idea. And you should always trust what the doctor says otherwise we should operate on our selfs lol
Researches should be done regardless in everything, I agree, but if you are going to handle the responsibility of a practice to a professional, that professional is now liable for what it has be done. My own knowledge about the subject it is only to question and suggest to the doctor but at the end of the day you must trust that the doctor knows best.
Im lucky I am a happy person so life will always be good regardless. Pain, there is pain in the broken area and knee, ill live with it.
thank you for your positive wishes!
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Yes, but you would never know as much as an expert (doctor), at least that is the idea. And you should always trust what the doctor says otherwise we should operate on our selfs lol
Researches should be done regardless in everything, I agree, but if you are going to handle the responsibility of a practice to a professional, that professional is now liable for what it has be done. My own knowledge about the subject it is only to question and suggest to the doctor but at the end of the day you must trust that the doctor knows best.
Im lucky I am a happy person so life will always be good regardless. Pain, there is pain in the broken area and knee, ill live with it.
thank you for your positive wishes!
You should never blindly trust anyone ;D that's my opinion at least. Just look at what 90% of doctors recommend (not go beyond 6cm). But what is done is done so you should focus on recovery and not bother with what if :P
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lol..well most doctors will recommend not to do this surgery at all...yeah will see, at least in the states here, doctors will think twice before doing anything, anywhere else they probably dont care, the laws are different and not as strict
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Hey guys,,, updates:::
So Im fked, thanks to Dr. Barinov, CLINIC DAVINCI IN VOLGOGRAD-RUSSIA
Im about 3 months post surgery and no bone growth at all, none union of the bone.
My doctor here in the USA told me that it was a mistake to put some death piece of bone in my body. That is not recommended, if anything it should have been my own bone graft. Also, the space between the bone is too big for it to unify, the gap shouldn't be that much. Again malpractice.
Anyway I hate to say negative things about someone I really like, but the truth is the truth, and I wont lie about it. This was a bad decision and practice from Dr. Barinov. Im sorry again but this is the truth, at least my truth...
Now what's next??
Ill be getting a machine for bone stimulation for 6 weeks, if that doesnt work then my doctor here will operate me, he will take bone graft and put it in the broken area together with the bone stimulater machine he feels confident I have a good shot. If not, then He will have to operate again, take out the screws and put my bones together again.
Again Im sorry but I wouldn't like for this to happen to anyone else, so I must say it. Dr. Barinov is not a good Doctor after all. If you want to go ahead and put your legs on his marcy is your decision. Im just talking facts, Im not making assumptions or imagining. Unfortunately he mess up too many times now...
It bothers me to trash talk anyone, but I wouldnt like for someone else to think that at This clinic they did a good job with me, because they did not!
RGKEY IS GETTING MARRIED BUT UNFORTUNATELY, NOW IT IS BEING POSTPONE SINCE IM STILL IN CRUTCHES THANKS TO DR. BARINOV!!! AND I WILL BE IN CRUTCHES FOR OVER 6 MONTHS THANKS TO HIM, FOR SOMETHING THAT SHOULD NOT BE LONGER THAN 2 MONTHS.
IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR LEGS AND ABOUT RECOVERING POST LEG LENGTHENING I DO NOT RECOMMEND YOU TO GO TO VOLGOGRAD RUSSIA. BUT IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE CHANCE LIKE I DID THEN GO FOR IT, YOU MIGHT REGRET IT THOU... IM IN CRUTCHES AGAIN 5 YEARS POST LEG LENGTHENING, IF YOU WANT TO BE IN MY POSITION THEN BE IT...
3 MONTHS POST SURGERY, NO BONE GROWTH AT ALL
(http://i.imgur.com/dCJeQiI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/VnzAtuzl.jpg)
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I know that we don't know each other and that I am a new user here but i read your diary following your updates.
I think your diary is an example of how "patients experiences" should be written:you provided Xrays,pics,videos and also scar-pics.
Not how some "patients" do here:writing long essays without anywhat else and expecting to be trusted.
I would like to thank you RGKEY for sharing your genuine experience.
I'm sorry that after 5 years you're still in crutches.I hope that the stimulating machine+bone growth will work and you will be soon recovered.I know that is not much but I will ask to my priest to pray for you.
Stay strong !
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agreed... but I was never over weight during LL or post LL, I stayed between 145pounds to 165pounds. 9cm is neither too much or too little, it all depends on each individual case by case. Some people can take 9 with no complications others only 5. The doctor is the only one who should decide.
I dont agree that 9 is not too much or too litle. Even for femurs that is a big amount let alone for tibia and since considering you need more time to consiladate tibias 9 cm will take much longer. That is a issue with a lot of russian doctors that permit patients to lengthen giant amounts.
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Hi RGKEY,
Hey mate I have read your diary by pure chance and I am sad to know your doctor neglected you that way. I admire your bravery to come out and say the truth about someone who you initially trusted so much . Mate happens in this surgery and I know you try to lengthen quite a bit however your doctor should have advised carefully every move. All in all you are on the right track and soon this all will be just a bad dream.
All the best my friend!
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Hey guys,,, updates:::
Im about 3 months post surgery and no bone growth at all, none union of the bone.
Hi RGKEy, sorry to hear you are having issues with the new surgery. I'm really hoping your docs resolve your problems, and you get well soon.
I just re-read most of your diary because I thought I missed something, but I'm a little confused. If you don't mind, can you update a few more details to clarify some of what happened?
1. Where and when did you have surgery? If in Russia, how did you resolve visa issues? (thought you had a 5 year restriction from entering the country).
2. By the looks of it, you only needed correction surgery. This is something that Barinov does all the time with the Russian female patients, but he still puts them in external frames. How come he used what looks like a "metal plate" to try and solve your misalignment?
3. By the looks of your x-ray, the new gap created wasn't that big. Why would they need to use "cadaver bone or any type of bone graft" to close such a small gap? Was there something that suggested your bone will not regenerate on its own?
4. About your lifestyle, have you been taking NSAIDs/painkillers daily? Have you been smoking? Have you switched to an extreme diet (vegan, vegetarian, gluten free, etc.).
If you'd rather not answer these questions for privacy, I understand.
Thank you, and wish you a quick recovery.
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I know that we don't know each other and that I am a new user here but i read your diary following your updates.
I think your diary is an example of how "patients experiences" should be written:you provided Xrays,pics,videos and also scar-pics.
Not how some "patients" do here:writing long essays without anywhat else and expecting to be trusted.
I would like to thank you RGKEY for sharing your genuine experience.
I'm sorry that after 5 years you're still in crutches.I hope that the stimulating machine+bone growth will work and you will be soon recovered.I know that is not much but I will ask to my priest to pray for you.
Stay strong !
that is very nice of you! thank you for your words and prayers!
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Hi RGKEY,
Hey mate I have read your diary by pure chance and I am sad to know your doctor neglected you that way. I admire your bravery to come out and say the truth about someone who you initially trusted so much . Mate crap happens in this surgery and I know you try to lengthen quite a bit however your doctor should have advised carefully every move. All in all you are on the right track and soon this all will be just a bad dream.
All the best my friend!
thank you!
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1. Where and when did you have surgery? If in Russia, how did you resolve visa issues? (thought you had a 5 year restriction from entering the country).
2. By the looks of it, you only needed correction surgery. This is something that Barinov does all the time with the Russian female patients, but he still puts them in external frames. How come he used what looks like a "metal plate" to try and solve your misalignment?
3. By the looks of your x-ray, the new gap created wasn't that big. Why would they need to use "cadaver bone or any type of bone graft" to close such a small gap? Was there something that suggested your bone will not regenerate on its own?
4. About your lifestyle, have you been taking NSAIDs/painkillers daily? Have you been smoking? Have you switched to an extreme diet (vegan, vegetarian, gluten free, etc.).
1) I had the surgery in Czech republic
2) he did plates because of timing, i was told i could be walking faster!! Lie....
3)they put a synthetic bone, he shouldve just leave it alone or if he was gonna put anything he shouldve used my own bone. Not artificial
4)no pain killers, no smoking, no change in diet...same old...
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Hi, RGKEY!
I feel sorry for you :( Be strong, I believe everything will good with you. Just believe and keep your mood up.
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Hi, RGKEY!
I feel sorry for you :( Be strong, I believe everything will good with you. Just believe and keep your mood up.
Thank you, I really appreciate your words!
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Quick update, I just got my Bone growth stimulator. Im supose to wear it for 10 hours a day for at least 6 weeks.
Ill keep you all updated. any questions feel free to ask I have some free time now at home like a dck lol
(https://i.imgur.com/R764gEAl.jpg)
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Here I am Rgkey !
Some questions:
-Where did you get it ?
-How does it cost ?
-For working,it doesn't require surgery,right ? It is applied on skin ?
-If you know the physician skill behind this utility:does it do some vibration or stuff like this ? How do you feel wearing that ?
-Can you walk on crutches wearing that machinery ?
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Life Post LL
a day like today, last year, RGKEY met the love of his life, his dance teacher and took her to Spain Madrid as a first date
(https://i.imgur.com/XrZTMTBh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SG2ud3kh.jpg)
on the plane, our first real kiss
(https://i.imgur.com/7UaxgbHh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NMmnBMBh.jpg)
we came back to the states, in love and ready to start a life together after 4 days of datting...her reaction after I told her all about my LL experience 8)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ym26xc3h.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lMZTAGsh.jpg)
When RGKEY got engaged
(https://i.imgur.com/QVPUu9ch.jpg)
Celebrating RGKEY style ofcourse
https://youtu.be/amBA4S762Ig
(https://i.imgur.com/RPp58mCh.jpg)
rgkey went to czech republic to fix leg
(https://i.imgur.com/2tUfMDqh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/k2R49sDh.jpg)
Barinov, I only saw him twice and just because I asked for it!! i went into the surgery room and I told the nurse i wanted to see Barinov before I was operated. He said hi and asked me how I feel, he told me I still have stiff muscles and i need to stretch more, then next time I saw him was only to say good bye. this picture is post surgery right before he said good bye
(https://i.imgur.com/jOvvAInh.jpg)
rgkey came back happy thinking that everything was fine:))
(https://i.imgur.com/zrPfIpUh.jpg)
but 3 months later then I wasn't as we all know. I had to postpone wedding plans and Today i was supose to be getting marry... im lucky that i found this beautiful girl! she helps me and as right now is the only one working in my house.
I wish I could be the one supporting the family financially but unfortunately i cant :( but I guess if all my experiences took me to this moment with the love of my life, then it was all worth it!
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Here I am Rgkey !
Some questions:
-Where did you get it ?
-How does it cost ?
-For working,it doesn't require surgery,right ? It is applied on skin ?
-If you know the physician skill behind this utility:does it do some vibration or stuff like this ? How do you feel wearing that ?
-Can you walk on crutches wearing that machinery ?
hey! my doctor resquested it and my insurance paid for it it cost in know $2000
no surgery required
you just put it on the area you want the bone to grow
yes you can walk but it is recommended to use it when you are resting
no vibration at all you dont feel anything
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Some really tragic stories are told in this forum but others aren't. If LL goes bad your life can be screwed. You are lucky your partner is supportive, but others aren't. One should think twice before doing this surgery because one may end up emotionally and financially wrecked. Wish you good luck.
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Some really tragic stories are told in this forum but others aren't. If LL goes bad your life can be screwed. You are lucky your partner is supportive, but others aren't. One should think twice before doing this surgery because one may end up emotionally and financially wrecked. Wish you good luck.
I completely agree with what you are saying.
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Dat ass doe
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Dat ass doe
hahaha right... I know I say that every time Im around it lol
(https://i.imgur.com/MhDaqaYh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8KeVSnnl.jpg)
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Quick update, I just got my Bone growth stimulator. Im supose to wear it for 10 hours a day for at least 6 weeks.
Ill keep you all updated. any questions feel free to ask I have some free time now at home like a dck lol
(https://i.imgur.com/R764gEAl.jpg)
Hi RGKEY,
Thanks to @TheDreamer, he mentioned that you're using a Bone Stimulator. Could you please tell me what it is? Like yourself, I've zero bones as well that should hv been noticed by my doc, but long story short... I was lengthened too fast and the nail ranaway and it hit the maximum at 10cm. I agree with everyone, a safe length for internal femur shouldn't exceed 6cm. So I'm completely screwed.
I've been using Exogen which haven't yielded any results. And my new doc wants to graft me with cadaver bone which I do not want either. I think if at all possible, I would like to just switch nails, shorten some and use Precice II and wait for calluses to grow before relengthening again.
It sounds ideal and easy but I'm sure there're a ton of complications of which I have zero knowledge.
Another non-union person I know did EWST (strong 4000 something version) which requires general anaesthesia but over the course of 3-6 months, the xrays do show significant callus growth (although not joined yet at this point).
And yet another non-union person I know of 2 years, tried IGF hormone and finally, calluses formed quite significantly although not joined yet either.
It's either these 2 are now at the threshold of 2 years post lengthening surgery with zero calluses to begin with, that are finally slowly growing bones naturally. We all do not know how, and when and what. But we're trying everything we can except any more unproven invasive surgeries which no doubt will lead to inevitable complications.
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Hey Unicorn888,
oh boy im sorry to hear that. Ill keep you updated about this machine. It works with ultrasounds i think. on a celular level, i literary dont feel anything at all. it is supose to help bone growth a lot. Maybe this could help you but again i dont know...my doctor recommended it before going to surgery.
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Hope you get better RGKEY! Everything happens for a reason. Everything.
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Thanks for answering to my questions,Rgkey
I'm glad you have a beautiful future wife ("this is property of Rgkey",right ? Ahahahah) and despite your complication,you're enjoying your life.Hoping the bone stimulator will do its homework
Hower you looks fine with 9 cm on tibias.If i didn't know you did LL,I would say this is the typical guy with long legs.
Proportions aren't a thing of which you have to worry,unless you do crazy ammounts like 15/20 cm.
In fact I did a little test: I asked to 30 persons which bone was the longest,tibia or femur.
93%(28/30) told me tibias😂.People don't have a huge knowledge on anatomical proportions.Also because tibia in fact "seems" longer than femur.
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a day like today, last year, RGKEY met the love of his life, his dance teacher and took her to Spain Madrid as a first date
(https://i.imgur.com/XrZTMTBh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SG2ud3kh.jpg)
on the plane, our first real kiss
(https://i.imgur.com/7UaxgbHh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NMmnBMBh.jpg)
we came back to the states, in love and ready to start a life together after 4 days of datting...her reaction after I told her all about my LL experience 8)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ym26xc3h.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lMZTAGsh.jpg)
When RGKEY got engaged
(https://i.imgur.com/QVPUu9ch.jpg)
https://youtu.be/amBA4S762Ig
(https://i.imgur.com/RPp58mCh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MhDaqaYh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8KeVSnnl.jpg)
No sarcasm here. Real talk...
This is the most disturbing string of posts i've ever seen on this forum.... Hot body, yes. Hot face, not so much. But, that's not the point, the point is you feeling the need to post picture after picture branding her your girl to try and impress people on these forums. It screams "INSECURE" from every rooftop on earth at the loudest decibel.
These kinds of relationships always end very badly for the guy. The moment she gets tired of your insecure, I seek validation, type of personality, and threatens to leave or decides to leave you, that's when you completely fall apart. Hell, a guy like you would fall apart if you just saw her talking and laughing with another guy.
Your insecure, weak, pathetic mind will fall into a deep depression, you will start drinking heavily, start popping pain meds, gain massive amounts of weight, feel worthless, and eventually decide to kill yourself. Or, you will die an early death of health related problems caused by your drinking, bad diet, lack of exercise. Known as a death of despair.
Mark my words. I've seen this far too many times in my young adult life, from deeply insecure guys like yourself.
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Hope you get better RGKEY! Everything happens for a reason. Everything.
thank you buddy!
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Thanks for answering to my questions,Rgkey
I'm glad you have a beautiful future wife ("this is property of Rgkey",right ? Ahahahah) and despite your complication,you're enjoying your life.Hoping the bone stimulator will do its homework
Hower you looks fine with 9 cm on tibias.If i didn't know you did LL,I would say this is the typical guy with long legs.
Proportions aren't a thing of which you have to worry,unless you do crazy ammounts like 15/20 cm.
In fact I did a little test: I asked to 30 persons which bone was the longest,tibia or femur.
93%(28/30) told me tibias😂.People don't have a huge knowledge on anatomical proportions.Also because tibia in fact "seems" longer than femur.
hahaha that's right sir, onlu people who know about LL are freaks about proportions. But, also my wife told me that if I did anymore it might compromise my proportions...she thinks i look fine the way i am now:))
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a day like today, last year, RGKEY met the love of his life, his dance teacher and took her to Spain Madrid as a first date
No sarcasm here. Real talk...
This is the most disturbing string of posts i've ever seen on this forum.... Hot body, yes. Hot face, not so much. But, that's not the point, the point is you feeling the need to post picture after picture branding her your girl to try and impress people on these forums. It screams "INSECURE" from every rooftop on earth at the loudest decibel.
These kinds of relationships always end very badly for the guy. The moment she gets tired of your insecure, I seek validation, type of personality, and threatens to leave or decides to leave you, that's when you completely fall apart. Your insecure, weak, pathetic mind will take you into a deep depression, you will start drinking heavily, start popping pain meds, gain massive amounts of weight, feel worthless, and eventually commit suicide or die of health related problems at an early age. Known as a death of despair.
Mark my words. I've seen it far too many times in my young adult life already.
Awesome! at least If I commit suicide now we all know why:)) Thank you sir ;) I should call you MisticMc lol
All seriousness thou, you might be right...im insecure, but she wont get tired of my insecure ass, i seek validation a lot, more than i wish i did, i even seek validation from my dog sometimes, weak mind? yes very, especially around my wife's pussy! and rice lol
gaining weight? yeah you are right im gaining weight now since im not doing t, who knows, you might be right....only time will tell... stay tune ;) . how about this? If I kill my self I promise I will do my last posting here...
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Im looking at this and im like, my bone was not ready to be without frames!! this is how my bone looked the day I got my frames off
(https://i.imgur.com/Cq0PuM3h.jpg)
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Awesome! at least If I commit suicide now we all know why:)) Thank you sir ;) I should call you MisticMc lol
All seriousness thou, you might be right...im insecure, but she wont get tired of my insecure ass, i seek validation a lot, more than i wish i did, i even seek validation from my dog sometimes, weak mind? yes very, especially around my wife's pussy! and rice lol
gaining weight? yeah you are right im gaining weight now since im not doing crapt, who knows, you might be right....only time will tell... stay tune ;) . how about this? If I kill my self I promise I will do my last posting here...
Laugh now, cry of desperation later... Unfortunately for you, the lack of exercise, the weight gain, and health problems have already begun.
Work on solving this major insecurity problem right now, or the beginning of the end has already started, and is accelerating.
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a day like today, last year, RGKEY met the love of his life, his dance teacher and took her to Spain Madrid as a first date
(https://i.imgur.com/XrZTMTBh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SG2ud3kh.jpg)
on the plane, our first real kiss
(https://i.imgur.com/7UaxgbHh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NMmnBMBh.jpg)
we came back to the states, in love and ready to start a life together after 4 days of datting...her reaction after I told her all about my LL experience 8)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ym26xc3h.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lMZTAGsh.jpg)
When RGKEY got engaged
(https://i.imgur.com/QVPUu9ch.jpg)
https://youtu.be/amBA4S762Ig
(https://i.imgur.com/RPp58mCh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MhDaqaYh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8KeVSnnl.jpg)
No sarcasm here. Real talk...
This is the most disturbing string of posts i've ever seen on this forum.... Hot body, yes. Hot face, not so much. But, that's not the point, the point is you feeling the need to post picture after picture branding her your girl to try and impress people on these forums. It screams "INSECURE" from every rooftop on earth at the loudest decibel.
These kinds of relationships always end very badly for the guy. The moment she gets tired of your insecure, I seek validation, type of personality, and threatens to leave or decides to leave you, that's when you completely fall apart. Hell, a guy like you would fall apart if you just saw her talking and laughing with another guy.
Your insecure, weak, pathetic mind will fall into a deep depression, you will start drinking heavily, start popping pain meds, gain massive amounts of weight, feel worthless, and eventually decide to kill yourself. Or, you will die an early death of health related problems caused by your drinking, bad diet, lack of exercise. Known as a death of despair.
Mark my words. I've seen this far too many times in my young adult life, from deeply insecure guys like yourself.
What the hell are you talking about ?
"Hot body,hot face,not so much"? His girlfriend is very attractive and good looking.When you will date Irina Shayk,give us a call
"Insecure"? All of us are here because we are insecure about our height,you reinvented the heel.Even you,since you are posting in this forum
"Kill yourself,death of despair"? Are you serious man ?
This guy had the balls to do that crap and now he is enjoying his new life.He had the balls to change his life,instead of being behind a monitor.
Is this envy ? Probably yes.And it is so pathetic
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trust me im crying :'(
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What the hell are you talking about ?
"Hot body,hot face,not so much"? His girlfriend is very attractive and good looking.When you will date Irina Shayk,give us a call
"Insecure"? All of us are here because we are insecure about our height,you reinvented the heel.Even you,since you are posting in this forum
"Kill yourself,death of despair"? Are you serious man ?
This guy had the balls to do that crap and now he is enjoying his new life.He had the balls to change his life,instead of being behind a monitor.
Is this envy ? Probably yes.And it is so pathetic
She doesn't have a hot face, she definitely has a hot body though. No doubting that.
Insecure about your height is isolated. Insecure about who you are overall is something completely different, and much more troublesome. RGKEY has some very obvious insecurity problems that anyone who's been around someone like this before can immediately spot.
When you put this much stock in your girl, while seeking validation from others based on your girl, you will inevitably turn to self destructive behavior when she decides your insecurity is too much, and prefers the company of a man who is confident and secure in himself. It's what women find most attractive in men. #1 Confidence
No envy whatsoever. I feel sorry for RGKEY. He's diving head first into a world of problems he can't even begin to comprehend.
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She doesn't have a hot face, she definitely has a hot body though. No doubting that.
Insecure about your height is isolated. Insecure about who you are overall is something completely different, and much more troublesome. RGKEY has some very obvious insecurity problems that anyone who's been around someone like this before can immediately spot.
When you put this much stock in your girl, while seeking validation from others based on your girl, you will inevitably turn to self destructive behavior when she decides your insecurity is too much, and prefers the company of a man who is confident and secure in himself. It's what women find most attractive in men. #1 Confidence
No envy whatsoever. I feel sorry for RGKEY. He's diving head first into a world of problems he can't even begin to comprehend.
Dude, I should pay you for your advise seriously! you are almost right about everything, btw I also had a hair transplant to add to my list of insecurities, and i also have a 5 inch dck, i swear im not joking!! I dont get it why this woman is sticking with me, plus im broke... dilema...RGKEY is just a lucky guy i guess
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Dude, I should pay you for your advise seriously! you are almost right about everything, btw I also had a hair transplant to add to my list of insecurities, and i also have a 5 inch dck, i swear im not joking!! I dont get it why this woman is sticking with me, plus im broke... dilema...RGKEY is just a lucky guy i guess
You seriously better fix this major insecurity problem. You already have health problems because of your foolish decision to lengthen 9 centimeters on your tibias. Unfortunately, that is likely to continue throughout your life. You've already gained quite a bit of weight, which is also likely to continue from a lack of ability to exercise properly.
These problems will only increase your insecurity. When she decides being with an insecure fat man is not her dream, and decides to give her attention to other men, or completely move on with another man, you're finished.
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What the hell are you talking about ?
"Hot body,hot face,not so much"? His girlfriend is very attractive and good looking.When you will date Irina Shayk,give us a call
"Insecure"? All of us are here because we are insecure about our height,you reinvented the heel.Even you,since you are posting in this forum
"Kill yourself,death of despair"? Are you serious man ?
This guy had the balls to do that crap and now he is enjoying his new life.He had the balls to change his life,instead of being behind a monitor.
Is this envy ? Probably yes.And it is so pathetic
haha...Becareful you might call Mr Sarcasm "Mr. Anton" he is mad now...lol
ofcourse you are right, and not only he envies but he sees thing about himself in me, evrything he hates about him self he sees it in me...he is projecting....
and thank again for being so supportive!:)
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plot twist: Mr. Sarcastic is actually RGKEY's girlfriend trying to get him to exercise
lmaoo anyways I wish you Godspeed on your journey to fix your legs brother
p.s your gf is a babe
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plot twist: Mr. Sarcastic is actually RGKEY's girlfriend trying to get him to exercise
lmaoo anyways I wish you Godspeed on your journey to fix your legs brother
p.s your gf is a babe
hahaha! thank you zeo i love your style!
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haha...Becareful you might call Mr Sarcasm "Mr. Anton" he is mad now...lol
ofcourse you are right, and not only he envies but he sees thing about himself in me, evrything he hates about him self he sees it in me...he is projecting....
Or maybe I once was like you. Deeply insecure, someone who found validation in myself based on my girl. Maybe I had friends who were also just like you.
Maybe I realized this was a very unhealthy mind set and decided to change. Mean while I watched my friends stay in the same mind set and saw their outcome unfold right in front of me.
Maybe...
Lengthening 9 centimeters on your tibias already shows a lack of intelligent forward thinking. You're further displaying this lack of intelligence and forward thinking in your other life decisions.
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Or maybe I once was like you. Deeply insecure, someone who found validation in myself based on my girl. Maybe I had friends who were also just like you.
Maybe I realized this was a very unhealthy mind set and decided to change. Mean while I watched my friends stay in the same mind set and saw their outcome unfold right in front of me.
Maybe...
Lengthening 9 centimeters on your tibias already shows a lack of intelligent forward thinking. You're further displaying this lack of intelligence and forward thinking in your other life decisions.
I honestly think you need a hug :)
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I honestly think you need a hug :)
I feel sorry for you.... You're not very smart and make bad decisions.
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I dont think you do lol
but i agree im not very smart and i make bad decisions lol
but i have been definitely doing some things right for a few years8)
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I feel sorry for you.... You're not very smart and make bad decisions.
Dude, you and your 9 comments can fk off. The majority of us appreciate rg's posts and information. It's really easy for a patient to have a bad experience and move on without warning future patients. He's an asset here unlike you
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Dude, you and your 9 comments can fk off. The majority of us appreciate rg's posts and information. It's really easy for a patient to have a bad experience and move on without warning future patients. He's an asset here unlike you
lol.. you are right... it is easier to be destructive and negative like a parasite....if he was as samrt and confident as he says he is , he would be providing with value instead of being a parasite..
I might be all the things he says but Im trying to bring something to the table, my experience before and after LL, whatever it is bad or good... im not here to tell you what to do but to share my experience, you guys decide what to do with it:)))
I appreciate you sticking up for me dude, 8)
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I might be all the things he says
You are absolutely, 100%, all of the things i've pointed out. You know it, and so do most people inside and outside this forum. Even to an average observer it would be blatantly obvious.
And yes, I do feel sorry for you. Your weight gain, your physical problems after foolishly lengthening 9 centimeters on your tibias, this is all just the beginning. Unfortunately, these problems will only compound your severe insecurities.
This photo is a bad, bad, bad, sign my friend. Bad!
on the plane, our first real kiss
(https://i.imgur.com/7UaxgbHh.jpg)
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You are absolutely, 100%, all of the things i've pointed out. You know it, and so do most people inside and outside this forum. Even to an average observer it would be blatantly obvious.
And yes, I do feel sorry for you. Your weight gain, your physical problems after foolishly lengthening 9 centimeters on your tibias, this is all just the beginning. Unfortunately, these problems will only compound your severe insecurities.
This photo is a bad, bad, bad, sign my friend. Bad!
So much investment on your part is not a good sign mister...you know it and i know it...and pointing out the obvious as you say is not a smart move as well, again.. do you need a hug?
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For the last time. Fix your major insecurity problem now before you really f*ck up your life!
You are not very smart and make really bad decisions. Lengthening 9 centimeters on your tibias in Russia was just the beginning of your bad decision making in life.
These quotes from you should be highly disturbing to anyone paying attention...
A day like today, last year, RGKEY met the love of his life, his dance teacher and took her to Spain Madrid as a first date
We came back to the states, in love and ready to start a life together after 4 days of dating...
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Seriously,what's the problem with this guy ? Do you know him ?
He is acting like one of those cheapest shrunks
Maybe he is an ex of your girlfriend,Rgkey.He is so jelous about your love story 😂😂😂
Nice try cholo,but you won't get back the chick
Need a better plan
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Haven't read this thread
RG, how do you feel after 9cm on your tibias ? Do you have a good walk ?
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For the last time. Fix your major insecurity problem now before you really f*ck up your life!
You are not very smart and make really bad decisions. Lengthening 9 centimeters on your tibias in Russia was just the beginning of your bad decision making in life.
These quotes from you should be highly disturbing to anyone paying attention...
I seriously believe you are one of the girls that I probably rejected in the pass... are you? or any boyfriend I upset??
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Showing my girl for the first time this forum lol
Mr Sarcastic needs some pusssvv, healthy advise :))
https://youtu.be/rvd8ZVxCzbk
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Seriously,what's the problem with this guy ? Do you know him ?
He is acting like one of those cheapest shrunks
Maybe he is an ex of your girlfriend,Rgkey.He is so jelous about your love story 😂😂😂
Nice try cholo,but you won't get back the chick
Need a better plan
hahaha i love you man,, you crack me up!!!
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Haven't read this thread
RG, how do you feel after 9cm on your tibias ? Do you have a good walk ?
Like crap now....lol
no i can not walk :((( im in crutches for the last 3 months
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Posting pics of your gf in a forum is not a very smart decision imo.
And investing so much in a relationship is not so smart too.
I have a lot of gfs that and more hot, still none of them changed my life in reality because the only way to feel completely fulfilled is to be ok with myself. And that can't happen even with having the most hot girl in the world.
To be completely ok I need another LL and even though I have a very good dating life (not as much as I would if I was tall though) I won't be completely ok if I don't become taller than average.
So Rgkey if you feel completely ok with yourself then you are a successful man.
But if you feel happy due to a relationship then I am sorry but you'll get frustrated even if things go well with that girl.
If we are ok with ourselves then we don't really need other people to be happy, although they can make out lives even better.
But if we don't feel self fulfilled then no other person can help us in reality.
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Posting pics of your gf in a forum is not a very smart decision imo.
And investing so much in a relationship is not so smart too.
I have a lot of gfs that and more hot, still none of them changed my life in reality because the only way to feel completely fulfilled is to be ok with myself. And that can't happen even with having the most hot girl in the world.
To be completely ok I need another LL and even though I have a very good dating life (not as much as I would if I was tall though) I won't be completely ok if I don't become taller than average.
So Rgkey if you feel completely ok with yourself then you are a successful man.
But if you feel happy due to a relationship then I am sorry but you'll get frustrated even if things go well with that girl.
If we are ok with ourselves then we don't really need other people to be happy, although they can make out lives even better.
But if we don't feel self fulfilled then no other person can help us in reality.
Agreed brother, Im super happy with my life before and after lengthening before and after girls... I dont based my happines on my reality but on the purest fact that I can experience life the way I can and through experiences bring more awareness to my own happiness....my smart and dumb decisions, are all welcome to my path of thoughts
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That video made me laugh...
While laughing I realized that you lengthened 9 centimeters on your tibias in Russia, you are crippled and can't walk, you took a girl you barely know on a trip to Madrid for your first date, had your first kiss on a plane that you took a picture of, then decided to start your life with this person after dating for 4 days.
My laughing stopped and turned into a feeling of sadness for the unintelligent, severely insecure, man baby known as RGKEY.
This is going to end badly my friend. All the warning signs are lit up like Las Vegas. Time for all of us who see exactly whats coming to sit back and enjoy the horror show. Get your popcorn ready. RGKEY is going down in a blaze of glory...
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Showing my girl for the first time this forum lol
Mr Sarcastic needs some pusssvv, healthy advise :))
Ahahahahahaah,your two are the GOAT Rgkey,what a couple !
I was literally dying from laughing 😂😂😂😂😂
I definitely quote your better half:"Mr Sarcastic" needs HELP
https://youtu.be/rvd8ZVxCzbk
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responding to Mr. Sarcastic... you making my day bro:)
As you will see in the video, LL is not really a big of a deal for many people...not everyone is so understanding ofcourse
https://youtu.be/eLisItT5l3E
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Nice girl!
Nudes are very welcome in my inbox.
Good luck with the recovery, and congrats on finding an understanding person.
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Awesome video RGKEY! More power to you and your girl. I've read Ms. Sarcastic's attacks with amazement through the day. Don't get people like that. Seems like an intelligent individual, but a tremendously unhappy and insecure one. If only that energy came out with positivity.....
Be happy for others. M
I, as well as many other's appreciate your updates and point of view with regards to your LL experience.
Happy that YOU are happy. Awesome girl you have. Yes, she is hot. Body and face.
All the best.
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Mr. Sarcastic and bodybuilder are trying to help rgkey with their advice. He has insecurities that he needs to focus his attention on know that his lengthening journey is complete. Since it would be foolish to continue in this endeavor and do another surgery with the complications that he has had. You should listen to what is said and work on fighting these insecurities.
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forum battles haha both have some valid points. No need to be negative. Be grateful you are alive.
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RGkey is a positive dude and obviously bunch of beta haters that never seen a pussy in real life will be barking a lot. It kinda made me chuckle :)
Also RGkey I really doubt that thingy on your leg will help with consolidation. Hopefully im wrong but if you didn't have any callus formation in 3 months it kinda looks bad. I got non union on my right fibula and it pisses me off. It hurts just a little if I put a lot of pressure on my leg and move it around but Id rather have it consolidated. My mistake to do 1 mm a day on tibia ;)
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RGkey is a positive dude and obviously bunch of beta haters that never seen a pussy in real life will be barking a lot. It kinda made me chuckle :)
Also RGkey I really doubt that thingy on your leg will help with consolidation. Hopefully im wrong but if you didn't have any callus formation in 3 months it kinda looks bad. I got non union on my right fibula and it pisses me off. It hurts just a little if I put a lot of pressure on my leg and move it around but Id rather have it consolidated. My mistake to do 1 mm a day on tibia ;)
You think it's normal that he decided he found his soul mate after 4 days of dating or that he posted photos of her to a bunch of strangers online? No offense but you had gotten major complications out of half of what he did. So do you think it was sensible to do 9 cm?
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You think it's normal that he decided he found his soul mate after 4 days of dating or that he posted photos of her to a bunch of strangers online? No offense but you had gotten major complications out of half of what he did. So do you think it was sensible to do 9 cm?
Who give a fukc what dude who is 5'9, got over 700 post and didnt do LL got to say? I dont.
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Who give a fukc what dude who is 5'9, got over 700 post and didnt do LL got to say? I dont.
Alright bro I was not insulting you with what I said. Just giving a logical argument. And rgkey can't turn back the time anyway so he has to make the best of a situation.
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I had to answer all post with a vid...
https://youtu.be/HjhnQwbx5J8
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Rgkey the second surgery I was talking about was when you still had it written in your signature that you were doing femur lengthening. And did you not see that I quoted doomsdays post? He lengthened 4 cm and has major complications which is why I said that he did half of what you did. As for myself I learned from reading in the forum that the most sensible thing to do is to save all the money possible and go to the best quality doctor. I'm not being a parasite when I made a logical point that a lot of the decisions that you make were not smart. My advice is just to think carefully when you make decisions. As doomsday said the device you are using has not helped in bone growth so you should start exploring other options that can help you.
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Rgkey the second surgery I was talking about was when you still had it written in your signature that you were doing femur lengthening. And did you not see that I quoted doomsdays post? He lengthened 4 cm and has major complications which is why I said that he did half of what you did. As for myself I learned from reading in the forum that the most sensible thing to do is to save all the money possible and go to the best quality doctor. I'm not being a parasite when I made a logical point that a lot of the decisions that you make were not smart. My advice is just to think carefully when you make decisions. As doomsday said the device you are using has not helped in bone growth so you should start exploring other options that can help you.
Hey, i see.. no i wont do any more lengthening, I got what I wanted from it, which over all was just the experiences i encountered, many experiences that i will keep with me forever. I agree I make a lot decision that for most people are not smart or not ideal, but then I am where i am because of them, so its not so bad. I think LL is not a smart decision period, and 9 cm is not, and 90% of all decision i do they are definitily not smart, but if they are bad or good, well again, judging by my present reality, they were pretty good decisions since im very happy and learned a lot. This device i have i dont think it will help but my doctor recommended it and if this doesnt work he will operate me and put bone graft. So i already have everything planned. Most likely i will have a third surgery on this leg. Well, it is what it is. Thank u for ur words and advice.
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what is the maximum lenghtening for tibias according to you ?
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what is the maximum lenghtening for tibias according to you ?
A safe amount of 5 to 6. Rgkey I'm glad you planed out the next steps you should take. Hopefully you are able to make a full recovery in the future.
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what is the maximum lenghtening for tibias according to you ?
to be honest it changes from person to person... anything within 5cms it should be safe, 7cm max.
some people can go to 9cms or even more with little complications.. it will all depend on what the doctor thinks. Hopefully a good one.
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A safe amount of 5 to 6. Rgkey I'm glad you planed out the next steps you should take. Hopefully you are able to make a full recovery in the future.
great thank you!
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Wow, going back in time... this is me 3 months post frames removal, how messed up! and it only got worst with time
https://youtu.be/aQ5i9hLVf-0
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Dude that leg look freaking grim :-\ Its good youre trying to fix it.
For a time perspective do you think it was docs fault to remove frame so early or was it also partially you fault for walking without crutches right after frame removal ?
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Dude that leg look freaking grim :-\ Its good youre trying to fix it.
For a time perspective do you think it was docs fault to remove frame so early or was it also partially you fault for walking without crutches right after frame removal ?
I know right!? crazy...
I was told to walk in crutches for 2 months, which I did, but regardles, the doctor removed the frames way too early! I should have just said to keep them for another month, but at that point I was so tired to have them on for that long I couldnt wait to get rid off them!!! I screwed up but it was still the doctors responsibility... as a matter of fact the doctor told me that the left leg was definitaly ready to go, and that was the leg that got screwed so it was his fault 100%... he wasnt too sure about right leg and that is the one that it's still completely straight....
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Wow, going back in time... this is me 3 months post frames removal, how messed up! and it only got worst with time
https://youtu.be/aQ5i9hLVf-0
Damn, good luck fixing that leg man.
Somehow your proportions don't look off to me despite you doing a whopping 9cms.. is it the clothes or did you have very tiny tibias?
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Damn, good luck fixing that leg man.
Somehow your proportions don't look off to me despite you doing a whopping 9cms.. is it the clothes or did you have very tiny tibias?
Me too, they look proportionally quite good.
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great thank you!
Great dancing skills and lucky you to have found such a girl, even though you should not share her pictures in the forum! Hope you can get a solution to your problems!
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RG is that video the most recent? You're a champ man, I'm having some issues too, but I'm thankful that you're sharing this to give us some perspective
Idk if money is an issue, but I heard good things about stem cell injections
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My right tibia had 12 degrees varus after LL. It was in no way so bad like yours Rgkey but it still needed straightening and I did it before 5 months together with at shortening by puting an internal metal plate. It was very painful for the first days (much more than LL) but after a month I could put full weight and although it still irritates me sometimes (when I put much pressure) my leg feels much better than before.
I haven't done a ct scan to see if it is completely straight now but it must be as I feel it much better in walking and also it looks straight when I look at it.
So what surgery you did to straighten your tibia? Ilizarov or something internal? And how has the result? Because I rrad somewhere that you said you can't walk unaided now.
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Damn, good luck fixing that leg man.
Somehow your proportions don't look off to me despite you doing a whopping 9cms.. is it the clothes or did you have very tiny tibias?
right...!?
Yes i had tiny tibias,, tiny legs in general
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Great dancing skills and lucky you to have found such a girl, even though you should not share her pictures in the forum! Hope you can get a solution to your problems!
Gracias hermano, well, she is doesn't care much neither do I :))
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RG is that video the most recent? You're a champ man, I'm having some issues too, but I'm thankful that you're sharing this to give us some perspective
Idk if money is an issue, but I heard good things about stem cell injections
Thank you!!
this video is not recent, it was about 3 months post frame removal...
stem cells,, yes I know about them.... there is a big chance It wont work, first I will try other resources, then ofcourse I will try everything until I find something that works... thank you for the info :)
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My right tibia had 12 degrees varus after LL. It was in no way so bad like yours Rgkey but it still needed straightening and I did it before 5 months together with at shortening by puting an internal metal plate. It was very painful for the first days (much more than LL) but after a month I could put full weight and although it still irritates me sometimes (when I put much pressure) my leg feels much better than before.
I haven't done a ct scan to see if it is completely straight now but it must be as I feel it much better in walking and also it looks straight when I look at it.
So what surgery you did to straighten your tibia? Ilizarov or something internal? And how has the result? Because I rrad somewhere that you said you can't walk unaided now.
o wow,, i wish you a great recovery...it seems you are doing pretty good thou.
I had a steel plate with screws. Im not allowed to put any weight on it yet until there is union of the bone.
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after LL is normal lose some of the height increased , someone a few mm someone 1,5 cm , have you notice about your height loss ?, if you take off your frame too early..
in my point of wiew your proportionals are good
have you ever sended the last video you posted to others doctors ? like dr Pili ?
my 2 cents, don't post your girlfriend's pictures in a public topic (of frustrated guys :) )
hope a fast recovery for you
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after LL is normal lose some of the height increased , someone a few mm someone 1,5 cm , have you notice about your height loss ?, if you take off your frame too early..
in my point of wiew your proportionals are good
have you ever sended the last video you posted to others doctors ? like dr Pili ?
my 2 cents, don't post your girlfriend's pictures in a public topic (of frustrated guys :) )
hope a fast recovery for you
hahaha... you are funny ;D #frustrated guys...
thank you for your wishes, no i have not sent anything other than my doctor he in the states.
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after LL is normal lose some of the height increased , someone a few mm someone 1,5 cm , have you notice about your height loss ?, if you take off your frame too early..
in my point of wiew your proportionals are good
have you ever sended the last video you posted to others doctors ? like dr Pili ?
my 2 cents, don't post your girlfriend's pictures in a public topic (of frustrated guys :) )
hope a fast recovery for you
Because it's not illogical to post her photos to strangers online. It's just frustrated males. You sir are a brilliant man. ::)
https://giphy.com/gifs/hero0fwar-karmawhore-rhyming-g9582DNuQppxC
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Because it's not illogical to post her photos to strangers online. It's just frustrated males. You sir are a brilliant man. ::)
https://giphy.com/gifs/hero0fwar-karmawhore-rhyming-g9582DNuQppxC
thx but with this post you are more brilliant
nice gif
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Because it's not illogical to post her photos to strangers online. It's just frustrated males. You sir are a brilliant man. ::)
https://giphy.com/gifs/hero0fwar-karmawhore-rhyming-g9582DNuQppxC
hahaha lmao!
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So, how have you been doing? Can you walk unaided for long periods of time?
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Rgkey man,how are you doing ?
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give us some news
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So next year it’ll be 5 years with nothing but trouble. I hope you’ll be able to walk normal again.
It is very expensive to go cheap.
You went almost 100% above recommended length on tibia. It was a very risky decision.
Update is all on how it goes. It’s necessary for future patients.
Good luck.
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5 years, & I wonder how much money? Any estimates?
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5 years, & I wonder how much money? Any estimates?
Not that much...doctors in Russia are cheap, especially to natives.
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What about all his revisions?
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What happened to Rgkey? I thought the recovery went well?
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So next year it’ll be 5 years with nothing but trouble. I hope you’ll be able to walk normal again.
It is very expensive to go cheap.
You went almost 100% above recommended length on tibia. It was a very risky decision.
Update is all on how it goes. It’s necessary for future patients.
Good luck.
What happened to Rgkey? I thought the recovery went well?
Hopefully he is still able to walk somewhat normally, and more than a mile without deep pain.
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Hopefully he is still able to walk somewhat normally, and more than a mile without deep pain.
Normal walking with so big malunions is impossible.
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Normal walking with so big malunions is impossible.
Considering he has not come back to tell us any updates, either, the situation seems really grim.
He said he he couldn't walk without crutches one page back.
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Considering he has not come back to tell us any updates, either, the situation seems really grim.
He said he he couldn't walk without crutches one page back.
what?
usually people that turn out fine simply forget about ll and move on. When they get complications they stick around ie unicorn
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what?
usually people that turn out fine simply forget about ll and move on. When they get complications they stick around ie unicorn
True.
But generally not when they're talking about bone graft operations, stem cell injections and being unable to walk without crutches in some of their latest posts before disappearing. I'm hoping for the best.
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what?
usually people that turn out fine simply forget about ll and move on. When they get complications they stick around ie unicorn
RGkey had some terrible malunions, the worst I ever saw after LL.
Without extra surgeries to break again his bones (and in more than one spot in each tibia) and without months of rehabilitation his condition can't be improved.
So definitely he hasnt forgot LL because he had a good outcome.
Also, no, usually people who are ok or excellent with their outcomes continue to write here to help other people with LL too.
Most of people with bad outcomes want to try and fix their problems and dont have the mood to write about them in forums.
After my corrective surgeries that I am very good now I am more willing to write here and help future LLers.
After my LL and the freaking atl surgery that left me almost not even capable to jog I didnt write in forums because I tried to find a solution to my problems first.
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RGKEY DIED
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you ok, bro?
don't give up, you have your entire life ahead of you. don't do it man
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No way? For real?
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To the person who wrote that please explain how it happened
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Very sad if true. Was it LL related?
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Please explain!
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i am a patient at Da Vinci. i know his real name, and he is a big latino singer, seen him on youtube, i do not believe he's dead, based on my google search, he is not dead.
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He deleted his Youtube channel.
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his latest music video has over 100,000 views last time i checked. not his private ll youtube channel
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My guess would be trouble with his girlfriend/wife. He's an emotional, unstable guy and if something happened there it would affect him a lot. Hope you're OK if you are reading this RGKEY
On the other hand, perhaps he just wants to forget about the LL side of his life and "kill" the RGKEY persona. That would be a good result
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On the other hand, perhaps he just wants to forget about the LL side of his life and "kill" the RGKEY persona. That would be a good result
I hope that's what it is... Who else would know about this place and have access to the password?
Sincerely hoping for the best...
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I hope that's what it is... Who else would know about this place and have access to the password?
Sincerely hoping for the best...
It would have to be him or his girlfriend you'd think ?
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I hope that's what it is... Who else would know about this place and have access to the password?
Sincerely hoping for the best...
I hope thats the case as well.
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Found him on instagram, posted a picture of himself happy, 1 day ago. So his persona RGK is dead. But, him as a person has moved on. Not sharing his personal info, so don't ask.
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Thanks for the info.
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but how did he stretch 9 cm without stretching ATL?
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One thing about the Da Vinci clinic is that they send you to a place to get xrays that "zooms" the xray. For example, I got an xray from the place and it said I had over 8cms of total lengthening. Than I got an MRI at a major hospital to measure my bone diameter for getting the correct diamter IM nail. The MRI (which is highly accurate) showed I only gained 6.5cms. This "loss" from the xray to actual life has been seen by many people from this clinic (a few i personally spoke with). So, moral of the story, RGK didn't really lengthen 9cm's, likely 7 cm's at max. The doctors at this clinic have lied to patients about the zoom, I saw a case this January. I told a patient this situation, and she was in shock because in the 3 months she had been there, no one had mentioned this.
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hello bodybuilder you who are practical and informed about this topic .. as did RGKEY to stretch 9 cm without intervening on ATl .. the tendon you know well you do not stretch too much also I do not seem that RGKEY has followed the exercises with care and all the rest
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One thing about the Da Vinci clinic is that they send you to a place to get xrays that "zooms" the xray. For example, I got an xray from the place and it said I had over 8cms of total lengthening. Than I got an MRI at a major hospital to measure my bone diameter for getting the correct diamter IM nail. The MRI (which is highly accurate) showed I only gained 6.5cms. This "loss" from the xray to actual life has been seen by many people from this clinic (a few i personally spoke with). So, moral of the story, RGK didn't really lengthen 9cm's, likely 7 cm's at max. The doctors at this clinic have lied to patients about the zoom, I saw a case this January. I told a patient this situation, and she was in shock because in the 3 months she had been there, no one had mentioned this.
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I read a lot and I understood one thing ... apart from the that many write on this forum ... that if you are lucky and that if an individual has some physical characteristics favorable to the formation of a good new bone and is followed by a good doctor at a good chance that all goes well but I understand that the right size can be 6 at most 6.5 cm ...
Nobody ever evaluates what can happen after a few years ..
Many speak as if they were doctors ... but they do not understand a fking sorry for the term ..
I should do the surgery in November with catane also because I'm Italian and I would like to stay in my country .. but also talking with him in various events I realized that nothing is safe and even if I do it for reasons of proportions since I am 172 cm the thing that leaves me puzzled is spending € 20,000 for an intervention on which there is no guarantee and you never understand well the risks you are facing ... do not you find it strange ..?
I've been following Catagni and Pili for a long time, but all the interviews I've read never talk about the interventions they perform for aesthetic reasons but only for those affected by malformations and achondroplasia.
Even if I do this thing leaves me stuck ..
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I read a lot and I understood one thing ... apart from the that many write on this forum ... that if you are lucky and that if an individual has some physical characteristics favorable to the formation of a good new bone and is followed by a good doctor at a good chance that all goes well but I understand that the right size can be 6 at most 6.5 cm ...
Nobody ever evaluates what can happen after a few years ..
Many speak as if they were doctors ... but they do not understand a fking sorry for the term ..
I should do the surgery in November with catane also because I'm Italian and I would like to stay in my country .. but also talking with him in various events I realized that nothing is safe and even if I do it for reasons of proportions since I am 172 cm the thing that leaves me puzzled is spending € 20,000 for an intervention on which there is no guarantee and you never understand well the risks you are facing ... do not you find it strange ..?
I've been following Catagni and Pili for a long time, but all the interviews I've read never talk about the interventions they perform for aesthetic reasons but only for those affected by malformations and achondroplasia.
Even if I do this thing leaves me stuck ..
I agree with you 100%. What else can we do? Theres nothing else
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Nothing I know .. but a bit of transparency .. as they speak it seems all nice a bit of pain at the beginning and then longer legs and so on. etc.
I accepted and within 5 months I work but I am very agitated and worried ... Also because talking to the doctor several times the explanations are always a bit vague ... For example, when I asked him about the pain if it is so unbearable answered that he did not know .. he works the others he has never done on himself.
However, I have a friend who has a child with achondroplasia and has stretched the total 30 cm between femurs and tibias .. as a doctor I think it is one of the best in the world on this field
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Nothing I know .. but a bit of transparency .. as they speak it seems all nice a bit of pain at the beginning and then longer legs and so on. etc.
I accepted and within 5 months I work but I am very agitated and worried ... Also because talking to the doctor several times the explanations are always a bit vague ... For example, when I asked him about the pain if it is so unbearable answered that he did not know .. he works the others he has never done on himself.
However, I have a friend who has a child with achondroplasia and has stretched the total 30 cm between femurs and tibias .. as a doctor I think it is one of the best in the world on this field
Paley has done 40cm LL on achondroplastic children.
I wouldn't compare them to adult LLers.
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Mandami tua mail in privato.. non posso rispondere a piu di due messaggi
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I'm talking about a person I know and daughter.
you talk about newspapers and things read on the internet ....
Then you have the money to make you operate by Paley?
I read and saw a picture of when they were young both Catagni and Paley and they learned together the technique in Russia ... it's just that with Catagni with 20k you operate with paley there are 100 k .... I do not know how much you earn for 100k I have to work 3 years and do not spend anything ... and then I prefer the external fixator compared to internal methods.
Then I think if you're not a rich one, you'll stay at least 10 years writing on the forum waiting for Paley to work and while the buses will fly .... 😂
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I'm talking about a person I know and daughter.
you talk about newspapers and things read on the internet ....
Then you have the money to make you operate by Paley?
I read and saw a picture of when they were young both Catagni and Paley and they learned together the technique in Russia ... it's just that with Catagni with 20k you operate with paley there are 100 k .... I do not know how much you earn for 100k I have to work 3 years and do not spend anything ... and then I prefer the external fixator compared to internal methods.
Then I think if you're not a rich one, you'll stay at least 10 years writing on the forum waiting for Paley to work and while the buses will fly .... 😂
You should learn English and reading comprehension in this language before you attempt to communicate with others in it.
You didn't get my point at all.
Side note: Paley did those 40cm in achondroplastic children with external fixators too, by the way.
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You should learn English and reading comprehension in this language before you attempt to communicate with others in it.
You didn't get my point at all.
Side note: Paley did those 40cm in achondroplastic children with external fixators too, by the way.
Ha ha ha
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So what is that topic over what about ricky is he dead for real ?!