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Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: notimportant on January 05, 2017, 10:59:35 PM
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I've noticed that many of you short guys are depressed for being short. I'm myself depressed but not to the point of thinking about suicide.
My question is: if you had LL and got complications, would you be strong enough to overcome them? If you are depressed for being short, what would it happen if you get crippled for life or had some serious sequels? Would you kill yourselves?
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First that happens when :-
a) You go to a cheap inexperienced surgeon.
b) You lengthen way beyond the safe limits.
Second, utmost priority should always be a good reputable surgeon and you must know the conscience of safe lengthening limits.
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I think depression is unfortunately a sort of natural response to something like short stature. Unfortunately when you are short you become more aware of how height influences people's quality of life. It then gets to the stage that you realise that despite your other qualities you have to work a lot lot harder than taller people to get noticed/recognition etc. The dating this is by far the most frustrating.
Choose a reputable doctor and do not overdo the lengthening and the risks are a lot smaller. The people who have hurt themselves are generally those who have gone for the cheaper options and lengthened to 'ideal' amounts as opposed to safe amounts. Yes 3-4" is ideal in a lot of cases but 2-2.5" is most people's limit.
Another issue with depression is that boredom can make it a lot lot worse and you will be bored during this process make no mistake about it, you will also not sleep well especially with external fixators, this usually means lying awake thinking winding yourself up.
I fully understand why a lot of guys would contemplate suicide over height unfortunately.
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If some freak accident happens doing 5cm internal femurs with Paley I'll just smile, laugh, and resign to my fates. I mean seriously what are the odds of not only losing the genetic lottery so harshly but also winning the complication lottery? In the <.01% chance I end up in a wheelchair I will feel pretty appeased rolling through the rest of my life.
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Usernames like 6Feetordie make me cry. Also those posts about committing suicide
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Would you kill yourselves?
Meh, life is a piece of crap anyways. I highly doubt that i will live before getting money for LL.
Shame that someone can't pull the trigger for me.
But as mentioned already, odds of getting crippled(if you are reasonable) are pretty low.
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Meh, life is a piece of crap anyways. I highly doubt that i will live before getting money for LL.
Shame that someone can't pull the trigger for me.
But as mentioned already, odds of getting crippled(if you are reasonable) are pretty low.
You seem like a very intelligent person man. I'm sure you will be able to get the money that you need. Have you considered going for a cheaper but reputable doc like parihar?
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Dollar is too expensive, almost the same as euro. Salaries stay the same, what should we do? I dont think somebody is ok with the idea of waiting 6 or more years for LL.
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Dollar is too expensive, almost the same as euro. Salaries stay the same, what should we do? I dont think somebody is ok with the idea of waiting 6 or more years for LL.
Canadian Dollar is weaker than last few years tho. (I live in Canada) and employment here is rather saturated. (Hard to get jobs compared to US) I'm 23 and half way through my 3rd year of bachelors so I can expect 5 more years since I will also need to pay down my student loan after finding a job but I'm ok with it because atleast there is sense of security that cheap but reliable LL options exists like Parihar, let alone the surgery itself. Imagine if there was no LL, that would be HELL.
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Canadian Dollar is weaker than last few years tho. (I live in Canada) and employment here is rather saturated. (Hard to get jobs compared to US) I'm 23 and half way through my 3rd year of bachelors so I can expect 5 more years since I will also need to pay down my student loan after finding a job but I'm ok with it because atleast there is sense of security that cheap but reliable LL options exists like Parihar, let alone the surgery itself. Imagine if there was no LL, that would be HELL.
That is a world I could not exist in. Ever since I was 16 I knew I would have to get LL in order to be considered a man and a viable option in the dating market. A lot of people, even Iamready, have been thinking about LL for 10+ years.
If there wasn't any LL I think I would just get really good at science and pull a Newton honestly. And hope that no one would ever write too many mean thing s about my height despite my great achievements. (Honestly doubtable)
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If this surgery didnt exist, many of us would consider drastic options in my opinion. Imagine a guy who is 5 2", what the hell he would do if LL didnt exist???? Even if he is handsome, rich, etc. Lets face reality.
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If there really was no LL, I would:-
a) Wear lifts all my life. or
b) Suicide. or
c) Become an orthopedic doctor or scientist and work on developing a way to become taller, every single day for the rest of my life.
I say LL is a God sent procedure for short people who want to become taller, praise the lord! No amount of praise can be enough.
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Well I think 5"5 -5"7 guys would moan and complain but they would learn to deal with it and used elevator shoes. But it would be worse than hell for the 5"4 and below guys who will have a lot of women taller than them.
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Another problem that I see is that if you want this surgery you cant use lifts, is that true (for tibia LL)?
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^ Lol you guys make me laugh.
Yeah, really without it you would just have to dig your head deep into the books or other hobbies and try to distract yourself from social and sxxual fulfillment (which is tough, because at our primal level, as humans, those are the things we yearn for the most).
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^ Lol you guys make me laugh.
Yeah, really without it you would just have to dig your head deep into books or other hobbies and try to distract yourself from social and sxxual fulfillment (which is tough, because at our primal level, as humans, those are the things we yearn for the most).
You did state in another thread that you manage to pull more women than alot of 6' guys you know though... So you surely know that height IS exaggerated in this forum...
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Another problem that I see is that if you want this surgery you cant use lifts, is that true (for tibia LL)?
Lifts are the precursor to LL. They say to make sure to wait a couple of months of recovery before using lifts again.
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Well I think 5"5 -5"7 guys would moan and complain but they would learn to deal with it and used elevator shoes. But it would be worse than hell for the 5"4 and below guys who will have a lot of women taller than them.
You are a 5'9 guy. What's your deal? (no offense though)
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Are you sure Captain? I am quite sure that many people are still alive becuase of this, specially the very short ones.
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But I read that lifts can be bad if you want your tibia to be lengthened, maybe is wrong.
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Well I think 5"5 -5"7 guys would moan and complain but they would learn to deal with it and used elevator shoes. But it would be worse than hell for the 5"4 and below guys who will have a lot of women taller than them.
Yea I say much MUCH worse for guys below 5'5. I can't even imagine that, it's already so bad at 5'6 lol.
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You did state in another thread that you manage to pull more women than alot of 6' guys you know though... So you surely know that height IS exaggerated in this forum...
Of course. But it's with weeks of playing friends, showing them all the stuff I do, and taking really good care of myself. I don't know anyone else my age who is as put together. My lifestyle is pretty immaculate lol. And even after these weeks sometimes the girls don't even like me.
When I was 13-14 it was very different. Girls liked me initially because everyone was still growing.
It's a completely different feeling. Having a girl like you in spite of your height, and having a girl like you.
I could never cold approach a girl and take her home at this height. and i consider myself pretty smooth. But at 5'8-9? Definitely.
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And I was referring to the 6 foot recluses who fail with women because they only play LoL all day and have no aspirations and drink excessive soda everyday and have bad acne. Oh if only they knew what I would give to exchange a few inches lol...
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I've hadn't girls sit next to me in lecture and give me their snapchats and act really flirty and tell me how they've heard about me only to have their demeanor COMPLETELY change once we start walking. The look on their face is hilarious and they never reply to my snaps. Such is life I suppose. This has happened twice already and I'm barely in my first semester lol.
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You are a 5'9 guy. What's your deal? (no offense though)
Which is why i am not putting myself in the category. It be delusional to say my life is over if there is no LL. I just always wanted to be 6 foot and that's what my pediatrician said I would grow to 5"11. And my old oneitis was my height barefoot I had to use lifts to not feel like less of a man. I think personal low self esteem has contributed to this mentality of mines.
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But I read that lifts can be bad if you want your tibia to be lengthened, maybe is wrong.
I think can make the procedure more painful. My calfs hurt more know using them but I noticed that it has happened now that im a lot more overweight. When I was skinnier I never felt anything besides the foot being sore occasionally.
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And I was referring to the 6 foot recluses who fail with women because they only play LoL all day and have no aspirations and drink excessive soda everyday and have bad acne. Oh if only they knew what I would give to exchange a few inches lol...
Not just recluses though you know... Even ugly ones, out of shape ones or just ty personality ones... There are so many losers in all height ranges... It's pretty amazing how so few of men know how to get it going with women you would be amazed... I think that you should not think "I am doing great despite of my height" but rather "I am doing great because I am great". Sure, the added height will make you appear more sexually appealing, but women are not men. They dont have the same sex drive and are not hungry for sex as much as we are... They can go on for weeks and even months without masturabating or doing sex (unlike us men).
With all that said, you will surely have more success with women after LL but you shouldnt feel ty because as I said earlier, you are doing great because you are great... Nothing more to add or to substract...
Dont let the height thingy get you down and keep living just like other LLers did till you get your chance
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Which is why i am not putting myself in the category. It be delusional to say my life is over if there is no LL. I just always wanted to be 6 foot and that's what my pediatrician said I would grow to 5"11. And my old oneitis was my height barefoot I had to use lifts to not feel like less of a man. I think personal low self esteem has contributed to this mentality of mines.
ohhh... Oneitis... Been there... Horrible experience. It sure does gives a painful blow to your self esteem. My father called it the "rite of passage" from childhood to real manhood. You are not a man till your heart has been scarred by a woman. Once the healing is done though you get much much stronger... I can say this from personal experience
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I've hadn't girls sit next to me in lecture and give me their snapchats and act really flirty and tell me how they've heard about me only to have their demeanor COMPLETELY change once we start walking. The look on their face is hilarious and they never reply to my snaps. Such is life I suppose. This has happened twice already and I'm barely in my first semester lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psXJBWuaO14
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I've hadn't girls sit next to me in lecture and give me their snapchats and act really flirty and tell me how they've heard about me only to have their demeanor COMPLETELY change once we start walking. The look on their face is hilarious and they never reply to my snaps. Such is life I suppose. This has happened twice already and I'm barely in my first semester lol.
I hate to think what would happen from a good conversation while sitting down only to stand up and she finds out how short one is. By the way, how tall are you ? (if you don't mind me asking)
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Not just recluses though you know... Even ugly ones, out of shape ones or just crapty personality ones... There are so many losers in all height ranges... It's pretty amazing how so few of men know how to get it going with women you would be amazed... I think that you should not think "I am doing great despite of my height" but rather "I am doing great because I am great". Sure, the added height will make you appear more sxxually appealing, but women are not men. They dont have the same sxx drive and are not hungry for sxx as much as we are... They can go on for weeks and even months without masturabating or doing sxx (unlike us men).
With all that said, you will surely have more success with women after LL but you shouldnt feel crapty because as I said earlier, you are doing great because you are great... Nothing more to add or to substract...
Dont let the height thingy get you down and keep living just like other LLers did till you get your chance
Thanks for the kind words of encouragement, you're completely right. I'm fortunate enough to have had a few girlfriends and a few girl's interests, and even if I was younger, they've been good experiences.
My uncle (never been married, never had a long-term relationship) is a truck driver and many of his truck driving friend's have never felt a woman's touch or have never felt wanted/desired. It's a pretty sad existence, but they are able to power through it with strippers, prostitutes, and alcohol I guess. I wonder how many men go through life like that, especially in the modern day.
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Make it more painful? Is not dangerous for the shortening of achilles tendon?
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I hate to think what would happen from a good conversation while sitting down only to stand up and she finds out how short one is. By the way, how tall are you ? (if you don't mind me asking)
I'm all of 5'4 tall but I consistently wear Roshes and boots to get me up to 5'5 and I slip 1cm lifts under the soles to get me to 5'5 1/2-ish lol. You can't even tell that they're there when they're under my shoes (Roshes have soles that you can just pull out and add lifts underneath, if anyone knows anymore decent/fashionable/common shoes like this, please I'm all ears!). I highly recommend it to everyone here. But of course, taking them off is an awful feeling. It's not much, and it probably makes almost no difference to other people, but it really does help my confidence and mental state.
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I wear these boots. Geox. The heel is 2-2.5cm and I put my corrective insole which gives me a boost of 1cm because it corrects my posture (I have flatfoot). A few short friends of mine also use those with 2-5cm insoles inside. There is alot of space in there
http://imgur.com/a/Zpz7X
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I wear these boots. Geox. The heel is 2-2.5cm and I put my corrective insole which gives me a boost of 1cm because it corrects my posture (I have flatfoot). A few short friends of mine also use those with 2-5cm insoles inside. There is alot of space in there
http://imgur.com/a/Zpz7X
Thanks man, I'll look into them, they seem pretty concealable. I've also purchased some 5cm Adidas Samba Tributes from Don's footwear as they looked pretty good, but in person, LOL, the heel/insole height was just far too obvious. (I live in a very hot climate where you can only wear shorts). If anyone else is a little less self conscious than I am, and you wear an 8-8.5, drop me a PM and I'll send them over to you if you're US and you pay me the $10 for shipping.
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Thanks man, I'll look into them, they seem pretty concealable. I've also purchased some 5cm Adidas Samba Tributes from Don's footwear as they looked pretty good, but in person, LOL, the heel/insole height was just far too obvious. (I live in a very hot climate where you can only wear shorts). If anyone else is a little less self conscious than I am, and you wear an 8-8.5, drop me a PM and I'll send them over to you if you're US and you pay me the $10 for shipping.
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Lol 2inches adidas? No wonder almost all the guys wear these shoes here in Italy. Unbelievable.. Never knew there were 2 inches (5cm) sport shoes
Not the original ones. A guy named Don from Don's footwear makes shoes that look very similar and calls them (Adidas) "Samba Tributes." Then he basically stuffs them with lifts and glues them inside. They look pretty good, and quite like the originals, from angles like this:
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UTPXPXqW9xk/U4Hgt9_XV7I/AAAAAAAABHU/M8mI06cHv74/s400/Samba-grey.jpg)
And nearly every image on the site is taken from angles like that ^. You'd understand why the photos are only from that angle if you ever saw them in real life.
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But real shoes, stuff a 2-4cm insole in them and you will be fine.
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Make it more painful? Is not dangerous for the shortening of achilles tendon?
I think that information would be more common knowledge if it was true since a lot of people here have used lifts.
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Not the original ones. A guy named Don from Don's footwear makes shoes that look very similar and calls them (Adidas) "Samba Tributes." Then he basically stuffs them with lifts and glues them inside. They look pretty good, and quite like the originals, from angles like this:
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UTPXPXqW9xk/U4Hgt9_XV7I/AAAAAAAABHU/M8mI06cHv74/s400/Samba-grey.jpg)
And nearly every image on the site is taken from angles like that ^. You'd understand why the photos are only from that angle if you ever saw them in real life.
Reebok classic give around 3-4cm of height, why would you glue some piece of crap to flat shoes.
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Yea I say much MUCH worse for guys below 5'5. I can't even imagine that, it's already so bad at 5'6 lol.
A lot of guys below 5'5 are living happy lives - don't extrapolate your feelings to others. This is like when healthy people are asked how they imagine living in a wheelchair or as a blind person. Most say that life would be so horrible they would probably kill themselves. But when people are actually confined to a wheelchair or blinded by accidents, most manage to keep living happily after.
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I'd recommend anyone planning to have surgery on their tibias to stop wearing lifts for several months prior to surgery.
When women wear heels their calf muscles and achilles tendon become stiff, so I assume the same holds true for men and lifts.
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I say LL is a God sent procedure for short people who want to become taller, praise the lord! No amount of praise can be enough.
How about your sh*tty God would have eradicated deformation, dwarfism, men shorter than women, transgender, autism, wisdom teeth, lady-beards, androgenetic alopecia and so on in the first place? >:( :'(
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How about your sh*tty God would have eradicated deformation, dwarfism, men shorter than women, transgender, autism, wisdom teeth, lady-beards, androgenetic alopecia and so on in the first place? >:( :'(
What you said is absolutely correct. That phrase just randomly came to mind as I read it somewhere in an article...I take it back lol.
I want to post a picture showing the shoes I wear with lifts and elevator shoes but I'm getting an error "The upload folder is full. Please try a smaller file and/or contact an administrator." Any idea what I might be doing wrong, the photo I'm trying to upload is just 200kb.
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just use imgur.com and paste it here with [img][/img ]
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Yup, or https://postimage.org alternatively. That's what I'm using on this forums. Have never had any issues :)
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just use imgur.com and paste it here with [img]http://[/img ]
Yup, or https://postimage.org alternatively. That's what I'm using on this forums. Have never had any issues :)
Thanks friends.
The dress shoes I wear (special events) give about 3.25 inches in height and are from tallmenshoes, I'd say pretty solid height increase. The other are for regular use high top sneakers (almost flat heeled), I use about 2 inch inserts in them for a total height gain of 2 inches (they are soft cushioned, so when you walk, they compress a bit). The inserts can easily be found on Amazon.
http://oi67.tinypic.com/35n90uf.jpg
http://oi68.tinypic.com/98umht.jpg
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Most likely I would have joined the military if I didn't get CLL, or go up to Alaska again to work on a fishing boat, but long term.
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Thanks friends.
The dress shoes I wear (special events) give about 3.25 inches in height and are from tallmenshoes, I'd say pretty solid height increase. The other are for regular use high top sneakers (almost flat heeled), I use about 2 inch inserts in them for a total height gain of 2 inches (they are soft cushioned, so when you walk, they compress a bit). The inserts can easily be found on Amazon.
http://oi67.tinypic.com/35n90uf.jpg
http://oi68.tinypic.com/98umht.jpg
How is running with 2" inserts? Is it possible?
I'm tying to imagine the moment when someone has taken home his new girlfriend for the first time and both are taking off their shoes 'n heels ;D
@ topic: Well, I wouldn't be here anymore without LL :-X
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How is running with 2" inserts? Is it possible?
I'm tying to imagine the moment when someone has taken home his new girlfriend for the first time and both are taking off their shoes 'n heels ;D
@ topic: Well, I wouldn't be here anymore without LL :-X
Very easy, they are soft gel cushioned as can be seen in the second link. And yea really awkward and hilarious at same time when they both take their shoes off. xD The dress shoes are kinda hard to walk in, the patent leather (hard material) makes it worse.
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How about your sh*tty God would have eradicated deformation, dwarfism, men shorter than women, transgender, autism, wisdom teeth, lady-beards, androgenetic alopecia and so on in the first place? >:( :'(
Or really, how about he just gives Chris everything he wants
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I'd recommend anyone planning to have surgery on their tibias to stop wearing lifts for several months prior to surgery.
When women wear heels their calf muscles and achilles tendon become stiff, so I assume the same holds true for men and lifts.
Most definitely. Caused me tremendous pain and additional time + physical therapy.
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Or really, how about he just gives Chris everything he wants
Life is unfair and then you die, because "the guy who ignores everyone" once toyed around with creation and left his sandbox unfinished.
I just don't like it when people praise the Lord for human achievements, especially when they are solutions to sufferings which the Lord is clearly responsible for.
+1 for evolution. Can't believe I still believe in this guy...
And thank you, Dr. Gavriil Ilizarov ;)
/rant
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Life is unfair and then you die, because "the guy who ignores everyone" once toyed around with creation and left his sandbox unfinished.
I just don't like it when people praise the Lord for human achievements, especially when they are solutions to sufferings which the Lord is clearly responsible for.
+1 for evolution. Can't believe I still believe in this guy...
And thank you, Dr. Gavriil Ilizarov ;)
/rant
The problem with this rationale is that it not only attempts to define God, but also faults him for not adhering to a morality/set of ethics devised by man. Eh, these type of discussions go nowhere- people believe what they believe.
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The problem with this rationale is that it not only attempts to define God, but also faults him for not adhering to a morality/set of ethics devised by man. Eh, these type of discussions go nowhere- people believe what they believe.
I just had one comment. You made a discussion out of it.
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I just had one comment. You made a discussion out of it.
No, I just had one comment, in response to your extraneous response to another poster who did no more than say 'praise the Lord'
How about your sh*tty God would have eradicated deformation, dwarfism, men shorter than women, transgender, autism, wisdom teeth, lady-beards, androgenetic alopecia and so on in the first place? >:( :'(
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No, I just had one comment, in response to your extraneous response to another poster who did no more than say 'praise the Lord'
Exactly that was my one comment, and then you barged in, said something even more extraneous while attacking me and now you're trying to argue because you want to have the last word.
If you want to say anything else stupid than pm me or shut the F up!
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+1 for Whereintheworld
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Mod?
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I've noticed that many of you short guys are depressed for being short. I'm myself depressed but not to the point of thinking about suicide.
My question is: if you had LL and got complications, would you be strong enough to overcome them? If you are depressed for being short, what would it happen if you get crippled for life or had some serious sequels? Would you kill yourselves?
I don't think anyone can know how they would react to a situation until they're there. Although I'd like to think I'm mentally stable and was prepared, the reality of having frames on my legs and the prospect of being stuck in them for nearly a year overwhelmed me. I cannot imagine what my state of mind would have been if a serious complication had occurred during or right after surgery.
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Thanks for the kind words of encouragement, you're completely right. I'm fortunate enough to have had a few girlfriends and a few girl's interests, and even if I was younger, they've been good experiences.
My uncle (never been married, never had a long-term relationship) is a truck driver and many of his truck driving friend's have never felt a woman's touch or have never felt wanted/desired. It's a pretty sad existence, but they are able to power through it with strippers, working girls, and alcohol I guess. I wonder how many men go through life like that, especially in the modern day.
Hey Captain, whats your height if i may ask.
i know some people like your uncle and his friends, trust me they have a happier life than millions. If they like their days then they're fine. chatting and hanging out with friends is more important that a relationship with a whore, they help you in your hard time while she's .........