Limb Lengthening Forum
Limb Lengthening Surgery => Limb Lengthening Discussions => Topic started by: drtruman on February 12, 2017, 09:40:28 AM
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Hi I am 28, I'm 177, I'm average good as appearance (so girls outside my family say) since I did a maxillofacial surgery and rhinoplasty which helped me a lot. I was on the average ugly side before. And I'm an assumed average height which is 177 cm. I noticed that most average/pretty girls here are obsessed by height in a man. Many many times on dates they made some reference to me being short/not tall enough. I admit i used to go to girls met online so appearance is more important there maybe the first thing. Anyway even asking many girls about how their ideal man should be they always say the magic word "tall" usually first. "TALL attractive confident nice...". It's not a chance. I don't feel myself so short but even "not tall enough" to date pretty women. With my average/decent face I think that being on the average/tall side would give me that bonus which would make the difference.
I am introvert also and never had a gf so far. I think I should work much on my personality and be more open and funny. But still being tall would help me indirectly, because when you are tall world smiles to you a bit more. I'm not saying that tall people have an easy life, but an easier life. People have the attitude to associate height with power so they tend to respect more tall guys. This means tall guys get constantly these feedbacks which slowly build their confidence. Not to add the same fact that walking even only 10 cm over the heads of the other people gives you that feeling of being "superior".
I noticed that here the new average/good height is 182/183 cm at least. And that is what would be enough for me. I would be as tall as di caprio for example (not as attractive of course) and I have never heard anyone saying that didn't caprio is not tall enough.
I am not rich, I would like to spend the least possible. Also I would accept even 3 cm instead than 5 if that meant less money spent.
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Your main focus should be a quality doctor over how cheap the surgery can be. There are many cheap doctors that will ruin your legs. Dr Parihar is a reputable doctor that would be on the more economic price but you will defiantly need to save a lot of money still for the whole procedure. There is also the commitment because you will be semi crippledetached for a couple of months.
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Your main focus should be a quality doctor over how cheap the surgery can be.
His main focus should be a shrink, not a LL doctor.
Hi I am 28, I'm 177, I'm average good as appearance (so girls outside my family say) since I did a maxillofacial surgery and rhinoplasty which helped me a lot. I was on the average ugly side before. And I'm an assumed average height which is 177 cm. I noticed that most average/pretty girls here are obsessed by height in a man. Many many times on dates they made some reference to me being short/not tall enough. I admit i used to go to girls met online so appearance is more important there maybe the first thing. Anyway even asking many girls about how their ideal man should be they always say the magic word "tall" usually first. "TALL attractive confident nice...". It's not a chance. I don't feel myself so short but even "not tall enough" to date pretty women. With my average/decent face I think that being on the average/tall side would give me that bonus which would make the difference.
I am introvert also and never had a gf so far. I think I should work much on my personality and be more open and funny. But still being tall would help me indirectly, because when you are tall world smiles to you a bit more. I'm not saying that tall people have an easy life, but an easier life. People have the attitude to associate height with power so they tend to respect more tall guys. This means tall guys get constantly these feedbacks which slowly build their confidence. Not to add the same fact that walking even only 10 cm over the heads of the other people gives you that feeling of being "superior".
I noticed that here the new average/good height is 182/183 cm at least. And that is what would be enough for me. I would be as tall as di caprio for example (not as attractive of course) and I have never heard anyone saying that didn't caprio is not tall enough.
I am not rich, I would like to spend the least possible. Also I would accept even 3 cm instead than 5 if that meant less money spent.
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I am introvert also and never had a gf so far. I think I should work much on my personality and be more open and funny.
His main focus should be a shrink, not a LL doctor.
Yup. Especially that he already is into plastic surgery.
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I live in Emilia Romagna which is in the taller part of Italy. The average is not 183... Not even 180. You are perfectly average in Italy and even taller than the average in the south.
About height, yeah... I know that in Italy they have that phrase "Height is half the beauty-Altezza mezza belezza", but still, at your height you have no disadvantage what so ever... Also, who cares about what women find ideal? Of course they are going to find a tall, handsome, confident and rich guy as ideal... For me, Ornella Muti (when she was young) is the ideal women but I still date women far less pretty than her. If I, as an immigrant, 171 tall guy have no problem with women here, so shouldnt you.
Your problem is without doubt psycological and not appearance related.. The fact that you did past plastic surgeries also reinforce that you are not mentally ok
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Hey, I wonder if your problem isn't more a lack of confidence. You say you've never had a girlfriend. I am 5'8, in an area of the world that is quite a bit taller than Italy (and also I live in a student population where the average male height is probably closer to 6 ft than 5'10) and I don't have a (big) problem, and I'm certainly not good looking or in great shape physically.
I have a 6'3 friend who has also never had a girlfriend and he is all around much more attractive than me. I have a 5'6 friend (granted, very good looks, charismatic, well dressed etc.) who has been with a lot (really a lot) of beautiful and attractive women. The big difference is the 5'6 guy has charisma and good social skills.
Do you know that self-confidence can change people's perception of your height by a couple of inches? I forget where I read this (it was in some article on the internet), but I think it is true. I've had both low self esteem and high self esteem in my life, and both times I've been asked if my height is 5'10 or 5'6. Posture matters too.
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I woudln´t recomend this surgery to you, since it´s probably something mentally that has nothing to do with your physical appearance. Another plastic surgery won´t help you, better safe the money and invest it in some coaching or some decent clothing.
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If he wants to get limb lengthening at his height it shouldn't be anyones concern. We are all insecure about ourselves no matter what you may say. There are plenty of short people and below average height people who live happy and great lives. The fact that some of you are telling him to see a shrink is irony, obviously he doesn't need LL but if he wants to do it and wants answers who are WE out of all people to judge the route he's taking?
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If he wants to get limb lengthening at his height it shouldn't be anyones concern. We are all insecure about ourselves no matter what you may say. There are plenty of short people and below average height people who live happy and great lives. The fact that some of you are telling him to see a shrink is irony, obviously he doesn't need LL but if he wants to do it and wants answers who are WE out of all people to judge the route he's taking?
Because than this forum will start to look like a pro anorexic forum.
"Hi! I am a 168cm tall girl and I weigh 38kgs. I feel that a couple of kgs less would make me perfect. Can anyone tell me what's the easiest method to lose weight fast? I tried sticking a finger in my mouth to vomit but it helped me with only losing a couple hundreds of grams. I heard about some diet pills. What would anyone here reccomend?"
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dont do LL you want it for all the wrong reasons.Whoever is going to love you is gonna love you for you not because your a few cm taller and if they do then i wouldnt be attracted to that person at all. 177 cm is not bad at all. it's a dateable height and women are either as tall as you or shorter. only 10% of women here in usa are taller than 5'7. put on some lifts and your 5'10. if i was naturally 5'8 i wouldn't even consider this surgery. yes, you wont be some hunk 6'4 250 lbs beast and every woman will probably desire you 100x more if u were but the genetics just aren't on our side my friend. we do LL for internal happiness not to make someone else see us as more desirable.
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Tibikie pretty much nailed it. You people really don't know how serious this surgery is, even when i'm medically short stature im still considering myself crazy to even think about LL.
The fact that some of you are telling him to see a shrink is irony
I was already visiting a shrink.
Get rekt boiiiiii
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lmao how did i get rekt? it's ironic when someone who has some form of body dysmorphic disorder is trying to give advice to someone else who has it (I have it and so does everyone else here no matter what they say, even if you're just insecure about height). you don't need LL and no one should be doing this for society. I agree that he shouldn't do it, he seems to be doing it to want to impress other people judging by his post. do it for yourself and don't have the intention of trying to please girls. there are people here who are trying to get taller than 177 CM, which is the OP's height right now. OP I would suggest thinking this through, this is a very time consuming difficult surgery and you need to do your research first.
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Haha TIBIKE that comment was gold. But I have to ask you, I am 172.5 cm at the lowest, does that 0.22 cm below the magical 5'8 mean it's OK if I get LL? :P
The truth is we are all kind of crazy for this, but it's true that the shorter you get the less crazy it is.
Like I said in my earlier reply, don't do it for women. An extra inch or two isn't going to transform you in the way you think it will. Try to develop your self-confidence instead, it's free, and it will really transform you. That's just my honest opinion.
(And yes, vegeta, I have a body image disorder and I accept that, and I also would like to lengthen over 177 cm, but the point is that doing it just for women, at his height already, will not actually get him women, so it is a real waste if he does so, and that is my honest opinion. If he was 5'5 and doing it for women I might have a different response, because imo most women will not want to be with a 5'5 man, on the other hand I think most women are very happy with a 5'9-10 man).
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Oh, my bad, thought TIBIKE also posted 0184946's post
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lmao how did i get rekt? it's ironic when someone who has some form of body dysmorphic disorder is trying to give advice to someone else who has it (I have it and so does everyone else here no matter what they say, even if you're just insecure about height). you don't need LL and no one should be doing this for society. I agree that he shouldn't do it, he seems to be doing it to want to impress other people judging by his post. do it for yourself and don't have the intention of trying to please girls. there are people here who are trying to get taller than 177 CM, which is the OP's height right now. OP I would suggest thinking this through, this is a very time consuming difficult surgery and you need to do your research first.
Fkin hell....
First of all, he wanted an opinion he got one.
Second i recommend to visit a shrink to absolutly everybody anyway.
And well, just because there were people that were taller than him doesn't mean crap, basically i can use tibikie example and say "just because there are people that weight less than you doesn't mean that you should drop down when u are already 38kgs"
Getting this surgery when you are average already is just pointless, tons of drowbacks for barely any positives.
And btw this guy clearly has some serious problems with his own body image and taking in account that he already did plastic surgery just raises a huge red flag.
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Some drs like Rozbruch, wont do the surgery for you, because you have haz many surgeries.
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Get the surgery if it will make you happy. However, I do agree that getting it wont solve your girl issues. But if it is going to make you happy, then who are we to tell you not to do it. You do only live once and honestly, in 1000 years from now no one is going to know about our existence so take advantage of your time doing what makes you happy.
Having said that, be careful, do your research and follow your doctors advice because this is a serious surgery. Maybe more so than the plastic surgery that you have had up to now.
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The problem I see here, is that even if he gets the surgery, he will find another thing and will want to "fix" it.
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The problem I see here, is that even if he gets the surgery, he will find another thing and will want to "fix" it.
Yeah I agree. But what else could there be after that? Eventually he will realize that its not his looks(since he got the surgery) and its not his height (since he got the surgery).
So what else would he blame it on?
Ultimately though, if he wants to get it, he should go for it. I realize people say its a risky surgery but if you go to a reputable doctor and follow instructions I would think he would be fine.
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Yeah I agree. But what else could there be after that? Eventually he will realize that its not his looks(since he got the surgery) and its not his height (since he got the surgery).
So what else would he blame it on?
Such a superficial world we live in, atleast from the past few decades. What could be next? Well maybe body laser hair removal surgery? Gotta impress the ladies with those nice abs or maybe even lip augmentation/reduction surgery lol.
Oh wait, wait.... could it be the Stroma eye surgery which changes brown eyes to blue by removing the dark pigment covering the anterior iris and revealing the underlying natural blue stroma?
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I've seen this multiple times on this site and I need to say something. I'm not sure why many people on this forum are so negative and condescending to people, almost mocking those who undergo mainstream, extremely safe cosmetic surgery to improve aspects of their appearance that they are uncomfortable with.
Please bear in mind that many of those who are so negative and high and mighty concerning plastic surgery are debating or planning on whether to consent to a doctor snapping their legs in a very painful, unconventional, possibly dangerous and widely frowned upon procedure and then stretch them for months which may lead to permanent physical disability for the rest of their lives for a few inches in height. Many people would consider it insanity and several light-years more worrying than a simple rhinoplasty or hair transplant. I would say this leaves no room to be patronizing and act high and mighty to others in regards to cosmetic procedures.
Now please can we make this a more positive place and welcoming to users new and old? Many users have stated how they feel this forum is toxic, many users are negative and bitter and don't find it a positive place to be. Even if you don't agree with somebody, it takes only a little effort to be courteous and speak to them as a fellow human being. Many people are going through their own personal battles and being repeatedly denigrated, mocked and their problems belittled can be very damaging, almost too much for some people. I would expect many here know this feeling and should know better when speaking to others regardless of whether they can be empathetic, at the very least they should be sympathetic.
Let's all think before we post a comment and try to be a little kinder in 2017 in an effort to show people that this is a positive, welcoming place in which we are all here to discuss, educate and help each other.
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you have a very good height. With shoes you are easily in 1,80 the perfect height.
Forget this surgery. this be worth the effort for people under 1'70.
you have another problems but the height isn,t.
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perhaps much people envy you because they are so tall and you have a very good height.
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I've seen this multiple times on this site and I need to say something. I'm not sure why many people on this forum are so negative and condescending to people, almost mocking those who undergo mainstream, extremely safe cosmetic surgery to improve aspects of their appearance that they are uncomfortable with.
Please bear in mind that many of those who are so negative and high and mighty concerning plastic surgery are debating or planning on whether to consent to a doctor snapping their legs in a very painful, unconventional, possibly dangerous and widely frowned upon procedure and then stretch them for months which may lead to permanent physical disability for the rest of their lives for a few inches in height. Many people would consider it insanity and several light-years more worrying than a simple rhinoplasty or hair transplant. I would say this leaves no room to be patronizing and act high and mighty to others in regards to cosmetic procedures.
Now please can we make this a more positive place and welcoming to users new and old? Many users have stated how they feel this forum is toxic, many users are negative and bitter and don't find it a positive place to be. Even if you don't agree with somebody, it takes only a little effort to be courteous and speak to them as a fellow human being. Many people are going through their own personal battles and being repeatedly denigrated, mocked and their problems belittled can be very damaging, almost too much for some people. I would expect many here know this feeling and should know better when speaking to others regardless of whether they can be empathetic, at the very least they should be sympathetic.
Let's all think before we post a comment and try to be a little kinder in 2017 in an effort to show people that this is a positive, welcoming place in which we are all here to discuss, educate and help each other.
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I've seen this multiple times on this site and I need to say something. I'm not sure why many people on this forum are so negative and condescending to people, almost mocking those who undergo mainstream, extremely safe cosmetic surgery to improve aspects of their appearance that they are uncomfortable with.
Please bear in mind that many of those who are so negative and high and mighty concerning plastic surgery are debating or planning on whether to consent to a doctor snapping their legs in a very painful, unconventional, possibly dangerous and widely frowned upon procedure and then stretch them for months which may lead to permanent physical disability for the rest of their lives for a few inches in height. Many people would consider it insanity and several light-years more worrying than a simple rhinoplasty or hair transplant. I would say this leaves no room to be patronizing and act high and mighty to others in regards to cosmetic procedures.
Now please can we make this a more positive place and welcoming to users new and old? Many users have stated how they feel this forum is toxic, many users are negative and bitter and don't find it a positive place to be. Even if you don't agree with somebody, it takes only a little effort to be courteous and speak to them as a fellow human being. Many people are going through their own personal battles and being repeatedly denigrated, mocked and their problems belittled can be very damaging, almost too much for some people. I would expect many here know this feeling and should know better when speaking to others regardless of whether they can be empathetic, at the very least they should be sympathetic.
Let's all think before we post a comment and try to be a little kinder in 2017 in an effort to show people that this is a positive, welcoming place in which we are all here to discuss, educate and help each other.
Really??
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I've seen this multiple times on this site and I need to say something. I'm not sure why many people on this forum are so negative and condescending to people, almost mocking those who undergo mainstream, extremely safe cosmetic surgery to improve aspects of their appearance that they are uncomfortable with.
Please bear in mind that many of those who are so negative and high and mighty concerning plastic surgery are debating or planning on whether to consent to a doctor snapping their legs in a very painful, unconventional, possibly dangerous and widely frowned upon procedure and then stretch them for months which may lead to permanent physical disability for the rest of their lives for a few inches in height. Many people would consider it insanity and several light-years more worrying than a simple rhinoplasty or hair transplant. I would say this leaves no room to be patronizing and act high and mighty to others in regards to cosmetic procedures.
Now please can we make this a more positive place and welcoming to users new and old? Many users have stated how they feel this forum is toxic, many users are negative and bitter and don't find it a positive place to be. Even if you don't agree with somebody, it takes only a little effort to be courteous and speak to them as a fellow human being. Many people are going through their own personal battles and being repeatedly denigrated, mocked and their problems belittled can be very damaging, almost too much for some people. I would expect many here know this feeling and should know better when speaking to others regardless of whether they can be empathetic, at the very least they should be sympathetic.
Let's all think before we post a comment and try to be a little kinder in 2017 in an effort to show people that this is a positive, welcoming place in which we are all here to discuss, educate and help each other.
exactly lol. some of the users here as evident in this thread act so oblivious I'm not sure if they're trolling or if they're serious. They think LL is the only surgery that's "justified" and doesn't count because you're only changing your height and not your facial aesthetics. I notice it is the same users who do this. This dude probably paid 5-7k or even less for a rhino while the people here think it's perfectly okay to spend 25k-100k to break their legs and lengthen them for a few extra inches. as you can tell some people here are pretty dense.
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It's not about that he wants to do this specific surgery but it's about that he wants to do another plastic surgery you utter imbeciles.
But i guess we should pat everybody on the back and say that LL is nothing, absolute walk in the park.
Some of you really don't know what are you talking about.
LL will always be the last resort no matter what and comparing perfectly average male which did already 2 plastic surgeries to really short people that mostly got huge portion of a social stigma is just a joke.
There are more ways to cure height dysphoria than just crappy surgery that has a good chance to make you partially disabled.
But apparently special snowflakes will call every "negative" opinion "hating" or "trolling" unless it's censored with good addition of fluffy puppies and rainbows. Who needs truth anyways am i right?
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It's not about that he wants to do this specific surgery but it's about that he wants to do another plastic surgery you utter imbeciles.
But i guess we should pat everybody on the back and say that LL is nothing, absolute walk in the park.
Some of you really don't know what are you talking about.
LL will always be the last resort no matter what and comparing perfectly average male which did already 2 plastic surgeries to really short people that mostly got huge portion of a social stigma is just a joke.
There are more ways to cure height dysphoria than just crappy surgery that has a good chance to make you partially disabled.
Cannot be written better
We dont envy you for your height like an user wrote above, we are saying that not every single problem can be cured with cuts in your body, I sometimes think I am crazy just for consider this. Risks can be lowered if you go to a decent doctor, but risks are real.
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Now please can we make this a more positive place and welcoming to users new and old? Many users have stated how they feel this forum is toxic, many users are negative and bitter and don't find it a positive place to be. Even if you don't agree with somebody, it takes only a little effort to be courteous and speak to them as a fellow human being. Many people are going through their own personal battles and being repeatedly denigrated, mocked and their problems belittled can be very damaging, almost too much for some people. I would expect many here know this feeling and should know better when speaking to others regardless of whether they can be empathetic, at the very least they should be sympathetic.
Let's all think before we post a comment and try to be a little kinder in 2017 in an effort to show people that this is a positive, welcoming place in which we are all here to discuss, educate and help each other.
Couldn't agree with you more. You can state your opinion without mocking, ridiculing, or being condescending.
That pisses me off. It's a help forum to help each other out. Maybe this guy does have bdd. But there are much better ways to tell him to really think about his decisions
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Of course I don't advocate limb lengthening to ever be taken lightly, I thought I made that patently clear in my first post that it is very a very surgery with very serious potential side effects, much more so than any plastic surgery. Your point on ways to cure height dysphoria other than limb lengthening surgery is a very significant point in which I completely agree, if there is any other alternative then I wholeheartedly agree that it should be taken in place of the procedure. Unfortunately, this isn't always possible. I believe you may be mistaking my position of advocating respect and positivity as complete support for the original posters intentions which is not the case.
At no point did I ask for people not to tell the truth or lie about the severity of limb lengthening, merely to be respectful and treat people like human beings like a mature adult instead of resorting to mockery or abuse regardless of whether you believe the user is ridiculous in their thought processes or actions, surely if one is lacking the emotional maturity of basic human decency then considering a life altering surgery should not even be considered. This isn't the first thread and certainly not the worst in regards to some quite questionable posts by certain members using it as an opportunity to put others down for whatever reason which I find rather distasteful.
All I ask is that people attempt to word their replies in a more civil and respectful way while maintaining a non-judgmental outlook going forward to ensure this forum remains a positive and constructive place to discuss all issues regarding limb lengthening. It's possible to be straightforward and blunt without being hostile, condescending and abusive, as I said in my previous post, words may seem inconsequential but may have a profound effect on somebody suffering from height dysphoria or body dysmorphic disorder on a low ebb, to the point where they may never feel able to discuss the matter again which I assumed many people on this very forum would be sympathetic and more sensitive to, enough to give out the respect they themselves would wish from others in regards to their consideration of limb lengthening.
I've said my piece and hopefully clarified my position on the issue. My post wasn't intending to antagonize or upset users, merely to raise an issue that I felt needed raising after seeing several threads that have spiraled into negativity and vitriol yet has clearly been divisive and you seem to have taken it personally. Of course, you are completely welcome to disagree, I respect your right and any other users to have an opinion but I do feel that resorting derogatory marks was disproportionate to the post I put forward. From the many threads I have read through over the past several months, nearly every user in this thread has been a kind, compassionate and positive force on this forum to those who were in need of some advice and all I wish is that it continues.
Have a good evening.
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OP I suggest you see somebody before you decide on doing this surgery, and that goes for everyone.
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There is a big difference between someone like the guy who goes to Rozbruch and is happy with his life besides his height and this guy. If you guys can't seen the difference than I can't help you.. It's not a starting height question as much as is what are the reasons..
This surgery will "help" those who are doing good in other aspects of their life. IamReady, DIFM, Endgame, etc, all had successful life and had atleast one woman who was interested in them... They were also shorter than him before LL (and besides Endgame who I don't know his post op height but I also don't believe he is 5'10 now) and are all shorter than him POST LL of 8-11.5cm!!. This guy is a 5'10 that seeks perfection and talk about sense of superiority over shorter folks... He is not OK and supporting him is not OK.
Every reason to do this surgery safely is justified. But the reason should be one that can be solved. BDD can't be solved via surgery
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I don't disagree with anything you are saying, in fact, I find myself in agreement to much of it and applaud you for the way you have worded it by explaining your reasons. Please don't confuse my position of advocating respect and civility while addressing other users as complete and utter support or defense for the original posters motivations and intentions when this isn't the case. I am completely for people expressing their opinion even if it's absolute disagreement, but as I said it's possible to do so without resorting to negative comments as you have shown.
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What? I think you may have misunderstood me.
I was commending you on being able to be straightforward without resorting to excessive negativity, not criticizing you for being straightforward nor intimating that you were being offensive, saying the opposite in fact.
On a side note, I think it is time for me to bow out of this thread. I'm not quite sure why, but people seem to be consistently and repeatedly misinterpreting or misrepresenting everything I am saying in my posts therefore I can't see any benefit or constructive discussion in continuing to comment.
I think it's time to crack open a beer and catch up on some television, have a good evening gentleman!
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What? I think you may have misunderstood me.
I was commending you on being able to be straightforward without resorting to excessive negativity, not criticizing you for being straightforward nor intimating that you were being offensive, saying the opposite in fact.
On a side note, I think it is time for me to bow out of this thread. I'm not quite sure why, but people seem to be consistently and repeatedly misinterpreting or misrepresenting everything I am saying in my posts therefore I can't see any benefit or constructive discussion in continuing to comment.
I think it's time to crack open a beer and catch up on some television, have a good evening gentleman!
oops you are right. i misread what you wrote my bad :)
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No problem man, it's easy enough to do :).
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I'm pretty proud of some of your responses to this. I couldn't have said it any better.
Since my username was mentioned, I want to add that I'm slightly under 175 cm, but today I just made out with the prettiest/hottest girl I've ever met in my bedroom, just a day after meeting her for the first time. She says that it feels like she has known me forever. A day before that I was on a date with a 5'10" model who won one of those international beauty contests. Yes, she was taller than me by at least an inch. And tomorrow I have cancel my second date with a hot 5'9" girl, because I am seeing that prettiest girl tomorrow, and it would be weird to see two girls at the same time on Valentine's Day.
From my experience, tall girls look kind of manly in the face in my opinion. I prefer under 5'7" girls. So if the plan is to get girls who are taller than 177 cm, which is, realistically, the only difficult girls to get because of a 177 cm height, then I'd say it's not worth it. There are plenty of 175 cm and under girls who are absolutely gorgeous and would date even a 175 cm guy (me).
And I'm not even a male model. My face is probably a 7. And my body is like a 5 now, due to the surgery and having lost a lot of my muscles, especially in my butt.
So stop thinking that it's just your looks that matter to a girl. It's more likely that you need to get better at getting girls. I would suggest getting anonymous opinions about your dating profile and seeing what people say about it. Usually they will tell you what areas make your profile look bad to a girl. Make your dating profile better.
My other tip is to lie about your height before you do the surgery. This is because if you add even 8 cm to your dating profile, it will probably make no difference. Then you will realize that this surgery will do nothing for you, before you have the surgery.
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And I'm not even a male model. My face is probably a 7. And my body is like a 5 now, due to the surgery and having lost a lot of my muscles, especially in my butt.
So stop thinking that it's just your looks that matter to a girl. It's more likely that you need to get better at getting girls. I would suggest getting anonymous opinions about your dating profile and seeing what people say about it. Usually they will tell you what areas make your profile look bad to a girl. Make your dating profile better.
Without a doubt personality matters a lot. A 5'9 guy who has great sense of humor and confidence will be miles ahead than a boring, lethargic 6'3 dude who has personality issues. You explained it very well in your post. But do you think your money has attracted women's attention for you? Lastly, do you think the 3 inches has made women more attracted to you keeping everything else constant?
I'm sure there are people here who would say their personality is co-dependent on their height i.e., being taller would cure their depression and they would no longer be dead from the inside -> become charismatic, confident and more outgoing = a new person (Basically they would be who they really want to be without having to face the barrier of being short and its psychological effects on them). Can this simply be their false perception and delusion or can it genuinely be the case? After all, everyone is different and this issue is very, very perspective. It may be true that after the surgery they do become their true self and that the truth could be simply that height really did affect their personality and didn't allow them to be who they really wanted to be because of the psychological effects.
On the other hand, there are people here who are artificially blaming their height as a mere excuse for their inability. I think those are the kind of people for whom this surgery would be almost, if not completely, useless.
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Without a doubt personality matters a lot. A 5'9 guy who has great sense of humor and confidence will be miles ahead than a boring, lethargic 6'3 dude who has personality issues. You explained it very well in your post. But do you think your money has attracted women's attention for you? Lastly, do you think the 3 inches has made women more attracted to you keeping everything else constant?
I'm sure there are people here who would say their personality is co-dependent on their height i.e., being taller would cure their depression and they would no longer be dead from the inside -> become charismatic, confident and more outgoing = a new person (Basically they would be who they really want to be without having to face the barrier of being short and its psychological effects on them). Can this simply be their false perception and delusion or can it genuinely be the case? After all, everyone is different and this issue is very, very perspective. It may be true that after the surgery they do become their true self and that the truth could be simply that height really did affect their personality and didn't allow them to be who they really wanted to be because of the psychological effects.
On the other hand, there are people here who are artificially blaming their height as a mere excuse for their inability. I think those are the kind of people for whom this surgery would be almost, if not completely, useless.
My money attracted women's attention, but it's my personality that made them stay interested. I know a guy who is worth close to a billion dollars, and he's still single to this day because his personality is absolute crap.
Yes, 3 inches helped me get girls within the 5'7"-5'10" height, that I probably couldn't have dated before. It didn't help me get a girl as opposed to not, because I've gotten girls when I was under 5'6". It just made more girls available to date me. Like 50% more. But that's for my height increase. I think for a 5'9" guy to go to 6', it's probably only help less than 10% more. And 10% more of 0 girls is still 0 girls. Sorry, but it's true. Being wealthy helped me get about 1000% more girls. But 1000% more of 0 girls is also still 0 girls.
Confidence definitely helps because no girls like insecure guys. And I can believe that getting the surgery will make short guys more confident. But truthfully speaking, you could be great and all to a girl who's taller than you, but she still won't date you because of your height. That kind of rejection can be devastating to a short guy's confidence, and so by removing that chance of rejection, then they'll be more confident in themselves. Having said that, I was very confident in myself prior to the surgery, and helped me get girls. I just had to avoid the girls who were taller than me, and then the chance of rejection for my height dropped. Thus, I never really took many hits to my self-esteem, because if a shorter girl rejected me for my height, I probably wouldn't want to date them anyway. They're too superficial. It's like if you're a girl and a guy won't date you because you are a B cup and not a C cup. Would you date that guy even if you were a C cup? No.
If you want to know more about my take on getting girls, I wrote a lengthy entry into my diary just now that explains exactly what I'm doing right and what other guys are doing wrong.
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Without a doubt personality matters a lot. A 5'9 guy who has great sense of humor and confidence will be miles ahead than a boring, lethargic 6'3 dude who has personality issues. You explained it very well in your post. But do you think your money has attracted women's attention for you? Lastly, do you think the 3 inches has made women more attracted to you keeping everything else constant?
I'm sure there are people here who would say their personality is co-dependent on their height i.e., being taller would cure their depression and they would no longer be dead from the inside -> become charismatic, confident and more outgoing = a new person (Basically they would be who they really want to be without having to face the barrier of being short and its psychological effects on them). Can this simply be their false perception and delusion or can it genuinely be the case? After all, everyone is different and this issue is very, very perspective. It may be true that after the surgery they do become their true self and that the truth could be simply that height really did affect their personality and didn't allow them to be who they really wanted to be because of the psychological effects.
On the other hand, there are people here who are artificially blaming their height as a mere excuse for their inability. I think those are the kind of people for whom this surgery would be almost, if not completely, useless.
Your inner psychology can be very strange. Once you have ever instilled a certain mindset over and over in your head it can be difficult to let go. There are some few who genuinely could transform from this procedure but I would say the majority would not be able to because they will move on to the next thing.
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I forgot about this post. Thanks for several answers. I think I'm a totally sane person. I'm not obsessive and not depressed. Only thing I would change is that I'm a little bit introverted. Anyway I have gone to many shrinks in my life and they never helped me seriously. I did meditation and all that stuff. Worked out et cetera.
Finally I understood that if I wanted a REAL change in my life I had to take bravery and do brave choices. I could go on my life and accept everything on its path or take the best from it. Plastic surgery was on that direction. I am happy to have done it. I don't care what people say, the usual things, because we all know that some people do a ty life with what nature has given them and some others are born with perfect genes. Now maybe you can accept what "nature"has given you, lead your limited life, with all the limitations which nature gave you, but I want to live my life FULLY. I am aware I have just one life and I want the best.
It's not like I cannot live being a 177 cm... I'm quite OK with it...but why shouldnt I go for my dreams? Do I have a second life as a tall guy after? I have just this and I want to fulfill ALL my dreams. Which of course are not only related to height. But being tall is part of the thing. I do not understand why you find me weird or with mental problems to talk about length lengthening in a forum dedicated to it. Either we are all crazy or none is.
Maybe I won't do it quickly because firstly I need to get the money. But one day, if I find the right medic and I am assured that all the thing is simple and without problems, I will.
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Well said and I can understand your motivation.
You want the best you can get and you'll try until you reach it.
And yes, 1.77 is a good height but it is the limit for me to think about LL so it is not completely nonsense to want to do LL at that height.
From being average to tall (as you can easily could become 6ft) is a big difference and if you want the best in everything and you have the will to try it, then it is your right to do it.
I wouldn't have said the same if you were more than 5.11 though.
But now, yes, it will make a difference for you and if you have improved everything else in your appearance, being tall will be the zenith of your looks.
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Being a 5'10 28 years old who has never had a girlfriend just by itself shows that something is wrong. It is very out of the ordinary to not have had atleast 1 GF by your age and given your completely normal height.
You are correct that you only live once and should improve every aspect of your life, but it seems you are "improving" the things that didn't really need any improvement.
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He said he didn't ever have a gf?
If yes then of course is hasn't to do with his normal height.
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Being a 5'10 28 years old who has never had a girlfriend just by itself shows that something is wrong. It is very out of the ordinary to not have had atleast 1 GF by your age and given your completely normal height.
You are correct that you only live once and should improve every aspect of your life, but it seems you are "improving" the things that didn't really need any improvement.
+1. It could be esteem and confidence issues. Should focus on what factors are holding those back. 5'10 is a perfectly normal average height by US standards and taller than 90% of countries' average height around the world. I'm predicting you lack social skills and have esteem / confidence issues because those are pretty much very common reasons why men have trouble getting women.
Now if this were a 5'7 and under dude, it would have been understandable that he has esteem / confidence issues because of his height, but at 5'10, height shouldn't be an issue at all, getting taller at this height is only luxury. But nevertheless, if getting CLL helps increase your confidence and esteem by 2 folds or so, who are we to oppose you.... I just think you would have a greater marginal gain (taking cost and benefit analysis into account) by focusing on the other factors that are hindering you, and tbh the profit from CLL would most likely be minuscule in comparison.
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He said he didn't ever have a gf?
If yes then of course is hasn't to do with his normal height.
Yes. First post
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+1. It could be esteem and confidence issues. Should focus on what factors are holding those back. 5'10 is a perfectly normal average height by US standards and taller than 90% of countries' average height around the world. I'm predicting you lack social skills and have esteem / confidence issues because those are pretty much very common reasons why men have trouble getting women.
Now if this were a 5'7 and under dude, it would have been understandable that he has esteem / confidence issues because of his height, but at 5'10, height shouldn't be an issue at all, getting taller at this height is only luxury. But nevertheless, if getting CLL helps increase your confidence and esteem by 2 folds or so, who are we to oppose you.... I just think you would have a greater marginal gain (taking cost and benefit analysis into account) by focusing on the other factors that are hindering you, and tbh the profit from CLL would most likely be minuscule in comparison.
I am ITALIAN. Here nowadays height in new generations is quite tall and many times I have been addressed openly as "shorty" "average short" mainly by girls. I know we are known tof be shorty but on my opinion this is not true anymore. Maybe in the past. When I am among people of my age or less I feel definitely average short. Sometimes girls could even laugh or act amazed when I told them (in Facebook chat) I was "only" 177 cm (177.5 or 178 cm in the morning). Sometimes I told them I was 179 cm and I was still short on their opinion. In the same time I have noticed many conversations of average/pretty girls who said things like "that guy is pretty and intelligent BUT he is too short" (guys theorically of average height).
I have come at the conclusion that unfortunately height matters. People in general treat you differently when you are tall and girls above all. This definitely increases your self esteem. One period I used to try small lifters in my shoes (2.5 cm) and I perceived I was looked more from girls. Sometimes I even noticed some smiles. Maybe it was a coincidence but this is one of the several reasons which brought me to consider this option. I don't know if I will ever. Mainly I am afraid of problems. If I was sure of the result I would do it no doubt because come on, at the cost of a car you become taller with all benefits associated... it seems worth it.
Just imagine the feeling of watching everyone from above. This makes you feel big, sttong, confident. I have never seen a tall guy insecure or they are quite rare. While I always noticed that the small guys had some social problems more or less hidden.
I would like more information from you about the problems and rate of them in percentage. Thanks.
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I don't know what your problem ,but first of all that's not associated with height,cause anything over 5ft9 is dead on average . Also you aren't "legit" 5ft10 guy unless you hold 178 mark before go to bad.And I also think being tall is better than being average (in my opinion)
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I have never seen(except deadbrained girls from tumblr/twitter) a women that called a 5'10 guy short.
If you think 2cm shoelifts suddenly makes you a vagina destroyer then well... i have nothing to say.
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Ah yes, the old 190cm average height in the 'new generation' argument
If you're feeling 'short' at 5'10, you're probably actually 5'7
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Ah yes, the old 190cm average height in the 'new generation' argument
If you're feeling 'short' at 5'10, you're probably actually 5'7
As someone who is 5'6" i always wonder is it really that bad at 5'10" that you would want to go through with a procedure like this?
i'm a whole 4 inches shorter and i'm still debating on weather or not I think this is even worth it.
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I live in Emilia Romagna which is in the taller part of Italy. The average is not 183... Not even 180. You are perfectly average in Italy and even taller than the average in the south.
About height, yeah... I know that in Italy they have that phrase "Height is half the beauty-Altezza mezza belezza", but still, at your height you have no disadvantage what so ever... Also, who cares about what women find ideal? Of course they are going to find a tall, handsome, confident and rich guy as ideal... For me, Ornella Muti (when she was young) is the ideal women but I still date women far less pretty than her. If I, as an immigrant, 171 tall guy have no problem with women here, so shouldnt you.
Well what'd you have to say for this then? It's really strange if women called you short at your stated height. Those must be the dumb moronic bimbos online. If a woman called you short in Real life face-face, it can be a makeup excuse for you lacking confidence? Maybe she didn't want to directly say "Sorry, but I find your confidence and personality rather dull and murky." So she might have just used height as a mere excuse...After all, you did say you're an introvert so there's more evidence that it has to do with personality.
You're living in Italy, not the Netherlands or Denmark e.t.c. for the matter. Also, you might actually not be 177 cm and for that you should properly re-measure your height. In the end, if you know from the inside that height would bring you nothing but benefits and gains in large, then why not.. go for it, but you have to be sure about that.
As someone who is 5'6" i always wonder is it really that bad at 5'10" that you would want to go through with a procedure like this?
i'm a whole 4 inches shorter and i'm still debating on weather or not I think this is even worth it.
In your other post, I read you're from Canada, I'm from Canada too! If you don't mind me asking, which city are you from?
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Well what'd you have to say for this then? It's really strange if women called you short at your stated height. Those must be the dumb moronic bimbos online. If a woman called you short in Real life face-face, it can be a makeup excuse for you lacking confidence? Maybe she didn't want to directly say "Sorry, but I find your confidence and personality rather dull and murky." So she might have just used height as a mere excuse...After all, you did say you're an introvert so there's more evidence that it has to do with personality.
You're living in Italy, not the Netherlands or Denmark e.t.c. for the matter. Also, you might actually not be 177 cm and for that you should properly re-measure your height. In the end, if you know from the inside that height would bring you nothing but benefits and gains in large, then why not.. go for it, but you have to be sure about that.
In your other post, I read you're from Canada, I'm from Canada too! If you don't mind me asking, which city are you from?
I've heard that even in the netherlands and denmark 5'10" is actually not bad either. You should really weigh the risks and benifits of this and think this surgery through with a clear mind set.
Im from hamilton ontario by the way
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I've heard that even in the netherlands and denmark 5'10" is actually not bad either. You should really weigh the risks and benifits of this and think this surgery through with a clear mind set.
Im from hamilton ontario by the way
I live in Waterloo for university ;) People are tall lol compared to Residential cities like Mississauga. Night clubs can be difficult to deal with at times.
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Well what'd you have to say for this then? It's really strange if women called you short at your stated height. Those must be the dumb moronic bimbos online. If a woman called you short in Real life face-face, it can be a makeup excuse for you lacking confidence? Maybe she didn't want to directly say "Sorry, but I find your confidence and personality rather dull and murky." So she might have just used height as a mere excuse...After all, you did say you're an introvert so there's more evidence that it has to do with personality.
You're living in Italy, not the Netherlands or Denmark e.t.c. for the matter. Also, you might actually not be 177 cm and for that you should properly re-measure your height. In the end, if you know from the inside that height would bring you nothing but benefits and gains in large, then why not.. go for it, but you have to be sure about that.
In your other post, I read you're from Canada, I'm from Canada too! If you don't mind me asking, which city are you from?
I am not from Canada. I think you are confusing me wth someone else. I am italian from Florence (YOu know Dante Alighieri...Medici...)
I am sorry. I took the most accurate measures and i am actually 177.5 cm most of the times. Sometimes i almost hit the 178 cm some other times i go closer to 177 cm. 80% of the times i am around 177.5 cm. I am not here to lie on my height i am sorry i am not that dull.
Also nelieve me, many girls here (i live in Florence Tuscany so central northern italy) are quite tall. I dont know exactely how much but i feel they are almost as tall as i am, maybe around 173 cm. So they naturally look for a 180+ cm guy. So i guess when they said (and they said that a lot or made me understand that) that i was shorty (even a 38 yo lawyer and academic i dated once told me that so not exactely a dumb teen) i tjink they implied i was not short in general but FOR THEIR IDEAL of man. In the end there are many guys tall here and even if im generally average the girls tend to like the tall guys much much more. Girls tend to look for the best not the average. Its natural selection. EWhy choosing average genes when you can have the best ones?
And its not a thing related to personality. I could be a bit intrvert but im funny and i make them laugh too.
I always notice that they lose attraction simply when they know i am not tall as they imagined. I think that even 1 inch or 1 inch and half in my case would make the difference making me enter the Elysium of the 5 11 or 6 feet.
Also, since many of you implied that i am some kind of troubled boring person, i am taking my degree in law and i have had success in studies since i was a child. I have always been considered intelligent by every teacher. I am not stupid. I know what i am doing.
And i am not a deluded person thinking that being taller will make me a winner. But it simply will help. That change together with other changes will make a big difference in my quality of life. Dont tell me that looking people from a lower level does not lower your self esteem because it is not true. Height does help self esteem a lot. Exactely as a beautiful face (i would say 60% face 40% height) and a nice body. Is it the only thing? Absolutely not.
I think that the pole of attraction for a man is: charisma, beauty (height + face), success in life (mainly career). So if you are taller you increase one of the 3 factors of attraction, which helps of course, but does not garantee anything, especially if the other values are very low (but charisma and career can be improved with simply dedication and constant effort, differently than height and beauty).
Also usually only 2 high values on 3 gives you a high value as man. For example: look+ charisma or look+success/career is usually enough for most women. Being high in all 3 makes you basically a God for women (and in general).
Being italjan and liking (pretty) women a lot, the simple chance of getting almost any (single) girls i want (girls go firstly for the good look) makes everything worth it.
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You will never be wanted by all women. My GF only likes guys with curly hair for example so if you have straight hair she will not find you attractive.
I am also one of the shortest she ever dated but still I am the one with whom she had her longest relationship and the only one who got to know her family (she is only 21 so not exactly a woman in the end of her prime).
I don't know... Maybe in Firenze it's different but here in Bologna I have had no difficulty having a GF. To be honest, the longest I ever had without having sxx with a girl (which I find attractive) was a month plus minus
Prove a mettere I plantari. Ci sono quelli di 2-3 centimetri che puoi mettere dentro le scarpe. Se ci sara una grandissima differenza allora o che potresti andare avanti con l'operazione o che potrai rimanere con i plantari
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Drdruman I completely agree with your last post and my experience shows me exactly the same things.
If you really want your height to never be a problem with dating again, you should be at least 1 inch above average male height of your country and most of the times I think that this threshold is 1.80 cm height.
I believe that at your height you should still have enough chances for dating good looking women but it is the harsh truth that women are completely shallow when it comes to height.
They could be with a relativley obese or skinny man, a man with a less than average face, a bald man etc but hardly anyone could date a man with at least less than average height and almost any time they look for the tall ones even many average or shorter guys could be more handsome or with bigger muscles.
So yes, I understand what you say and your reasons to do LL although I believe than until you do it you should still try to flirt and improve your skills in that.
After all, when you are completely sure that you'll do LL, then you are more cool with your current height and don't care if you'll be rejected for that because you know that it will change.
The last about 4 months that I decided to do another LL I feel more free and less obsessed with my height and that helped me a little more with flirting although many of women still have problem with my height.
But I just don't care much. The only that matters for me is to find all the momey to go to a respectable doctor and have a truly good height like 1.80-81. Then I'm sure that everything will be much easier, especially on dating.
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^Hahaha oh man this is like a fatass giving another fatty dieting advice.
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Maybe try doing what DoingItForMe said for online dating: set your height higher and compare it with how many matches you get with your actual height.
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If you look at my post, I directed the Canada part to another user, google42. Why not try your luck with shorter women? The tall ones would want around a 6'0 guy in most cases, yes. But your desire to increase potential with all women including the ones in the tall side still doesn't explain why you hadn't had atleast one gf yet, with your perfectly average 5'10 height and 28 years of age (I find it amusing you were dating a 38 yr old woman - lot of age difference).
You have explained well why you are seeking limb lengthening, you are seeking perfection or maximizing your potential in every possible way; i.e. increasing your potential with each and every woman. But on the other hand, you can choose not to get the surgery and hit women on the short-bit above average side (170 under). Well it's your personal preference, and I have to admit, I'm a perfectionist too in some way or the other (explains my 5'11 goal instead of 5'9) but I am also willing to maximize my utility from this surgery (the time and money - making it worth it without going too much over the safety margin).
Lastly, you shouldn't have problems getting shorter women with your current height because if 5'7 TIBIKE can do it, so can you.
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Maybe try doing what DoingItForMe said for online dating: set your height higher and compare it with how many matches you get with your actual height.
Online dating is not real life.
Even there height plays a very significant role but the difference in a club between an average (or even better) 5.8 dude to an average 6ft dude is huge in terms of flirting with women.
And 5.8 isn't even short, it's about average.
Height is the most important aspect in a mans appearance that women value the most.
Thats a fact and although it isn't in favour of most of us here, it is something that we know and can't deny.
Thats why we considering LL after all.
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Online dating is not real life.
Even there height plays a very significant role but the difference in a club between an average (or even better) 5.8 dude to an average 6ft dude is huge in terms of flirting with women.
And 5.8 isn't even short, it's about average.
Height is the most important aspect in a mans appearance that women value the most.
Thats a fact and although it isn't in favour of most of us here, it is something that we know and can't deny.
Thats why we considering LL after all.
I was talking to the Italian guy, but thanks for your input. Plus I don't go to clubs so I wouldn't know. I do agree that height is very important for a male but you don't have to be tall in order to attract women. If you are 100 % sure you want to go through the surgery again and you are fully prepared then I say go for it. No need to justify to us why you wanna do the surgery, it's pointless.
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Height is the most important aspect in a mans appearance that women value the most.
Thats a fact and although it isn't in favour of most of us here, it is something that we know and can't deny.
*opinion
I fix'd that for you, pal.
And now I'm gonna post this just to cheer you up:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11833-the-face-not-the-body-attracts-a-mate/#.VXSngUagy8g
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Hi I am 28, I'm 177, I'm average good as appearance (so girls outside my family say) since I did a maxillofacial surgery and rhinoplasty which helped me a lot. I was on the average ugly side before. And I'm an assumed average height which is 177 cm. I noticed that most average/pretty girls here are obsessed by height in a man. Many many times on dates they made some reference to me being short/not tall enough. I admit i used to go to girls met online so appearance is more important there maybe the first thing. Anyway even asking many girls about how their ideal man should be they always say the magic word "tall" usually first. "TALL attractive confident nice...". It's not a chance. I don't feel myself so short but even "not tall enough" to date pretty women. With my average/decent face I think that being on the average/tall side would give me that bonus which would make the difference.
I am introvert also and never had a gf so far. I think I should work much on my personality and be more open and funny. But still being tall would help me indirectly, because when you are tall world smiles to you a bit more. I'm not saying that tall people have an easy life, but an easier life. People have the attitude to associate height with power so they tend to respect more tall guys. This means tall guys get constantly these feedbacks which slowly build their confidence. Not to add the same fact that walking even only 10 cm over the heads of the other people gives you that feeling of being "superior".
I noticed that here the new average/good height is 182/183 cm at least. And that is what would be enough for me. I would be as tall as di caprio for example (not as attractive of course) and I have never heard anyone saying that didn't caprio is not tall enough.
I am not rich, I would like to spend the least possible. Also I would accept even 3 cm instead than 5 if that meant less money spent.
Man, honestly, LL is not a joke. It is not only about money, but also time, pain, obstacles, and when you finish screws in your legs. 177 cm is a good average (if you are a real 177 cm) and I would strongly recommend against doing it for 3 cm. And also against doing in the third world just to save money. Non farti rovinare.
If you really want to do it, save your money, go to Catagni in Lecco (you are Italian, so I would go in Italy, it just make everything simple also because in case of achille tendon surgery or other complications you will get that fixed for free with sistema sanitario nazionale). And do at least 5 cm!
P.S. Di Caprio is not even 180 cm, I met him in Thailand. If you think you cannot date pretty woman because of your 177 cm, I would rather suggest you some good book or course of seduction.
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How tall is decaprio?
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google says he is 183 cm but celebrities are known to lie about their height.
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Ths site gives genuine celebrity height: http://www.celebheights.com/s/Leonardo-DiCaprio-15.html
Zac Efron and Ian Somerhalder are some examples of bit short-average height celebrities who women drool after. Ian has over 10 million followers on instagram, and he ain't even that rich and big-of-a-name compared to other celebrities. Plus he's the same height as OP. He won many women's hearts from his famous "Vampire Diaries" show but he got some killer looks.
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I was talking to the Italian guy, but thanks for your input. Plus I don't go to clubs so I wouldn't know. I do agree that height is very important for a male but you don't have to be tall in order to attract women. If you are 100 % sure you want to go through the surgery again and you are fully prepared then I say go for it. No need to justify to us why you wanna do the surgery, it's pointless.
I wrote generally (WE are considering), not only for me.
After all, almost all in this forum are interested in LL.
And yes, if you want to be acceptable from the majority of women you have to be above average height, as a woman should have at least a thin body to be likable from the majority of men.
Of course an obese woman could find someone but she is not generally attractive. That is unfortunately about the same with men and height. Short men could find women but is is much harder and generally speaking, to be acceptable from the most women you have to be at least average and a little more.
Ozymandias, there are hundreds of researches who say how important is height for men in dating, working and generally in life.
This research you posted is first of old 10 years old and furthermore is in not a deep research but talks very gemerally.
If you think that a 5.5 man with a perfect can have more dates than a comoletely average 6ft tall man, then you have no idea what is going on in reality.
Short men (like I used to be) have huge drawback to tall men, even the first are much better in everything else.
With average height men things get more complicated but still being above average is the most significant asset in a man's appearance.
And thats a fact.
If you believe something else then try a cosmetic surgery on your face, not LL.
After all I don't know your height. Maybe you are like some 5.11 people here who want to lengthen 2-3cm so you cant understand how important is height for a short to just less than average height man.
;)
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I wrote generally (WE are considering), not only for me.
After all, almost all in this forum are interested in LL.
And yes, if you want to be acceptable from the majority of women you have to be above average height, as a woman should have at least a thin body to be likable from the majority of men.
Of course an obese woman could find someone but she is not generally attractive. That is unfortunately about the same with men and height. Short men could find women but is is much harder and generally speaking, to be acceptable from the most women you have to be at least average and a little more.
Ozymandias, there are hundreds of researches who say how important is height for men in dating, working and generally in life.
This research you posted is first of old 10 years old and furthermore is in not a deep research but talks very gemerally.
If you think that a 5.5 man with a perfect can have more dates than a comoletely average 6ft tall man, then you have no idea what is going on in reality.
Short men (like I used to be) have huge drawback to tall men, even the first are much better in everything else.
With average height men things get more complicated but still being above average is the most significant asset in a man's appearance.
And thats a fact.
If you believe something else then try a cosmetic surgery on your face, not LL.
After all I don't know your height. Maybe you are like some 5.11 people here who want to lengthen 2-3cm so you cant understand how important is height for a short to just less than average height man.
;)
But you are not 5'5! You are 5'8-5'9 and in no place can compare your height to your old height
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Tibike I wrote that I was short because I write some hard things about short men and their chances with women but I really don't want to insult any of our short mates here.
Thats why I mentioned that I was short too before LL.
Of course my new height makes a good difference but still I'm considered below average, even a little. The real deal imo is to be higher than average.
And of course I'm not saying that I agree with the so superficial and strict height requirements (not even preferences) that the majority of women have.
They are completely nonsense imo because in reality being taller doesn't give you any real benefit in anything like let's say being stronger etc.
But unfortunately it is the reality so the choice for any less than average or short man is to accept his body and live with some drawbacks in his life or change his body via LL.
I think that almost all people here tend to believe that the best choice for themselves is the second and I am one of them as I did LL and plan for another one.
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Still, at your height or my height the situation is not tragic. I mean let's be real. Our height might not be "omg you are so tall" but it is nowhere near "sorry too short".
I highly doubt that the majority of women reject you on your height. They might prefer you to be taller but they don't reject you for being 5'8-5'9
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Still, at your height or my height the situation is not tragic. I mean let's be real. Our height might not be "omg you are so tall" but it is nowhere near "sorry too short".
I highly doubt that the majority of women reject you on your height. They might prefer you to be taller but they don't reject you for being 5'8-5'9
Tibike you live in denial about how important is for the majority of good looking women, who can have almost any man they want, to be with someone who is tall or at least completely average (which in my country is 1.78cm for a man).
And yes, I have been rejected for my (current) height and I've heard many times some from bad (not insulting however) to just funny comments about my height.
And only from women. Men respect me a lot due to my built body and my character and noone ever told that I'm short after LL.
But for women not being tall is something that you can't get easily away with, especially if you have the alpha male attitude I have due to my relatively big muscles and the big experience I have with the opposite gender.
Maybe they bash me because I seem like I feel very confident with my self and I'm sure that no one ever could understand that I have a height insecurity because my behaviour shows that I am completely ok with myself. And generally I am but my height that is less than average still bothers me, not because I don't like my body but because it doesn't give me the social benefits with women that a tall man has. And I don't like that at all because men keep praising me about my body but women seem to care about my height much more than they should, taken in mind that I have a good face, a muscular body and a good style generally.
Maybe if my attitude was more, lets say, low key, I could attract more women, not the hottest ones though.
But I can't be something that I am not only because my height doesn't correspond to my attitude for many women's logic.
At your age I had a lot of success with some very good looking and with a good character girls although I was 5.65 but I was just very lucky and I can see it now when my experience with women is much much more.
So when you reach almost 30 and all this time you keep having many successes with women despite your 5.7 height, then I would take your opinion much more serious in this subject.
But now you are just too young to have complete knowledge of the importance of height for a man in dating.
ps I am writing all these to you in a very friendly way. You are a respectable discussant and I don't have any intention to insult you.
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I am 26 years old so not so young.
I am not into the clubbing scene (I go to raves a lot though) although it did happen that women have hit on me in clubs a few times. At bars same story as well. Actually I know no one that has ever gotten anything from a bar or a club (tall or short).
I don't say it's not important. My GF who knows about my will to go this surgery told me, after me making her become more honest, that a taller version of me is a hotter version of me. But in the same sentence told me that I have an amazing body (Another example of taste as I am naturally hairless and she likes it a lot like many other women) and eyes that all her friends and even family told her about (I truly am grateful for my eyes as I have recieved too many compliments for them from women).This is to say that even though height is an attractive trait, it's not all. I am also very cky and open about my thoughts (to almost being considered rude) and appear very confident (My GF was shocked when I told her aboutmy insecurity even before I told her that I want to do LL). She also teased my height but that was because I appear very confident and it is just a tease.
I have had tall friends being teased for having small hands orsmall heads... Women will always find something to mock you about
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I thought you are in your early 20's.
Nevermind.
And I don't know what you mean with "Actually I know no one that has ever gotten anything from a bar or a club (tall or short)".
If you mean that you don't know men who got girls in the clubs, I know many of them and I am one of them too.
After all, most women go to clubs for the same reason as men, to flirt and find a date.
Finally, of course height is not everything.
But the lack of height (and I'm talking for short men) makes almost everything else insignificant for a woman.
Being tall and only doesn't make you good at dating but if you have a moderate appearance with a good height gives you about the same advantage as being about average height with very good looks (face and fit body).
So if you have both good looks and a good height then you should consider yourself very lucky in terms of dating.
The bad thing is that looks can improve a lot with hard work but height not.
So if you tried a lot and have very good results in your whole appearance and the only thing that keeps you back and beyond average is height, then you have every reason to consider LL.
If someone has bad style, obese body etc and he is not short enough (lets say less than 5.7) and he believes that LL is the first he should does, he is completely wrong.
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A lot of people go to bars and clubs to enjoy a good drink or dance to good music. As much as a lot go to flirt or get flirted.
A lot of female friends of mine told me they hate it when men disturb them when they are in a bar (no matter how the guy looks). I have also witnessed it first hand with female friends of mine rejecting guys who look like brad pit just because they werent interested to know someone when they went out.
Edit: But I guess it comes to the country in which you live. As when I went for a month to Toronto my ass became red from all the pinching it got from girls in bars and clubs over there
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There are these kind of women too of course.
But there are also many who look for an interesting man.
And I believe that the vast majority of women, even if they went out only for a drink, wouldn't easily reject a Brad Pitt lookalike man who talks to them.
But I think we got offtopic.
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Let's agree to disagree
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look up returnofkings.com, or rooshv.com and try that site his books are pretty good.
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Ths site gives genuine celebrity height: http://www.celebheights.com/s/Leonardo-DiCaprio-15.html
Zac Efron and Ian Somerhalder are some examples of bit short-average height celebrities who women drool after. Ian has over 10 million followers on instagram, and he ain't even that rich and big-of-a-name compared to other celebrities. Plus he's the same height as OP. He won many women's hearts from his famous "Vampire Diaries" show but he got some killer looks.
How can you even take into account celebrities who are rich famous and honestly have a killer looks with the average 177 cm guy like me?
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A lot of people go to bars and clubs to enjoy a good drink or dance to good music. As much as a lot go to flirt or get flirted.
A lot of female friends of mine told me they hate it when men disturb them when they are in a bar (no matter how the guy looks). I have also witnessed it first hand with female friends of mine rejecting guys who look like brad pit just because they werent interested to know someone when they went out.
Edit: But I guess it comes to the country in which you live. As when I went for a month to Toronto my ass became red from all the pinching it got from girls in bars and clubs over there
For what I know about Average women, if some guy really handsome confident (and tall?) Approaches them, 95% of the times they will be interested. Exactly as if a very hot woman tries to approach you, would you be interested or not?
I don't know if I said before but I dated some women. Problem was that the only women who were interested in me were -honestly speaking, no offense to them- ugly women. This is what mother nature wpuld bring me naturally and i dont like it. So i am trying to cheat nature and genetics. Now, I am not super attractive but I am honestly not ugly, I am not stupid or have some big genetic fault. Fact is that for my experience if you want to date average/pretty girls you cannot simply be average. You have to stand up among the many, because remember, women have the power to choose and why should they choose an average (in other words, often average means mediocre) guy like many others when they can have the best or at least someone in the upper range? This applies to everything, height included. Remember that they often talk of men around 6 feet as ideal, which is exactely a height above average. You won't attract many women with a average face or height, you have to step above average, and then you will have real chances (that you will be able to get or not depending on your skills and intelligence; if you are stupid or depressed and introvert you still stand no chance). Otherwise, let's be honest, you will have to struggle much to simply hope to find someone who will accept you... and that is not a real choice, this means to be chosen.
I strongly believe that in present world a good look and a height above average opens the doors of heaven in relation shup field. I think that it is useless to do a big effort with gym or seduction skills when your potential of attraction is mainly (let's say 80%) dependant on genetic factors. This is simply the frame of mind of 1950s of "hard work brinGS you everywhere" which, if in some field it could be true, applied extensively is plain stupid.
With my decent look and average height I have tried to date many average/pretty woman and I could only get the ugly ones. The only not ugly one I came close to have (but still did not in the end) was fat and insecure. And believe me I know my social skills and I am not less than average, I am probably more funny and I look more confident than average here. So it's not a personality issue.
I simply have this life and want the best in every field. I don't harm anyone so I don't see why not.
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When people will finally acknowledge the fact that human attraction is complicated and "hierarchy" of valued traits depend on each individual?
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If you look at my post, I directed the Canada part to another user, google42. Why not try your luck with shorter women? The tall ones would want around a 6'0 guy in most cases, yes. But your desire to increase potential with all women including the ones in the tall side still doesn't explain why you hadn't had atleast one gf yet, with your perfectly average 5'10 height and 28 years of age (I find it amusing you were dating a 38 yr old woman - lot of age difference).
You have explained well why you are seeking limb lengthening, you are seeking perfection or maximizing your potential in every possible way; i.e. increasing your potential with each and every woman. But on the other hand, you can choose not to get the surgery and hit women on the short-bit above average side (170 under). Well it's your personal preference, and I have to admit, I'm a perfectionist too in some way or the other (explains my 5'11 goal instead of 5'9) but I am also willing to maximize my utility from this surgery (the time and money - making it worth it without going too much over the safety margin).
Lastly, you shouldn't have problems getting shorter women with your current height because if 5'7 TIBIKE can do it, so can you.
In case you didn't read this post of mine earlier.
How can you even take into account celebrities who are rich famous and honestly have a killer looks with the average 177 cm guy like me?
I was comparing him to other celebrities as an analogy, hence I wrote: "ain't even that rich and big-of-a-name compared to other celebrities and he's 177cm" - nevertheless, still significantly more attractive to women than some taller, richer, more famous celebrities out there. That's the big picture I was trying to portray in that comment. Well, human attraction (especially female) is complicated, it's a blend of personality, looks, and status.
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Not so complicated. Exactly as you said it's simply this ( I would go for this order but it can change according individual): look and status. With some women valuing status more than looks some others the opposite. If you have both look and status let's be honest, you will naturally attract almost any women.
But for our luck, since it is hard to find guys who really have good looks and high social status, they are not enough for every woman, they (I am talking about the average pretty girls who have dozens males on their feet thus power to choose who they want) will accept even a guy with good look and average status or a guy with good status and average look.
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Maybe at the first sight but then they see that you are a douchebag and the whole magic goes away.
Funny thing, guys at my current job that have the hottest girlfriends are mostly in 5'8-5'11 height range.
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Maybe at the first sight but then they see that you are a douchebag and the whole magic goes away.
Funny thing, guys at my current job that have the hottest girlfriends are mostly in 5'8-5'11 height range.
True and that's classified as a personality issue. The best of best would be to maintain all 3 (personality, looks, status) at their strongest. But that doesn't mean a 5'11 guy should opt for Limb lengthening to become 6'2 lol.
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Non lo so... La mia ragazza e una romana bionda che ogni volta che usciamo insieme e la lascio due minuti al bar da sola, viene rimorchiata da una marea di uomini.
Credimi che lo so come e in italia... Ti ho detto gia che anche io ho sentito la frase "altezza mezza belezza"... Ma ancora, se io come un immigrante alto 171 centimetri riesco a frequentare delle ragazze che sono considerate belle, non vedo perche tu non potresti farlo.
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what about fighting after LL ,its stupied but if you have to fight with somebody ,would you ready to be as good as you was before or you will look like defective?
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Drtruman speaks the words of truth.
Even if someone knowa a 5.8 with a hot chick (I had 2 real hot girls for long time relationships when I was just 5.65!) or if some 5.9 celebrity is hotter than many 6ft celebrities, all these are just exceptions to the rule that women seek for tall, masculine men who are above average in everything. At least hot women, who can choose and most of the times take the man they want.
Drtruman I face exactly the same as you, although I had more experiences with good looking women than you.
But I still struggle to have many hot women I like to give me a chance because I see that my height is not enough for them to be totally attracted to me. I really believe that if I towered them, plus my generally good looks and body and with my social skills I would have a much easier job than at least 90% of other men.
But my 5.9 (or 5.85 at night to be precise) makes everything much harder, like in your case and everyone's else who are not on their home in front of their pc and don't really know what is going on in the real world.
Drtruman you know as I know too that the only solution to really have the upper hand (at least as a man can have the upperhand) in dating is only LL so do your research and go to a respectable doctor to solve once and for all your height problem.
For all the above there is no way some people here who believe that if you are 5.7 for instance you won't have problems in dating or that a good face means everything or you must have money and nothing else matters and all these because most of them haven't understood what women want.
And they want the whole package which means a man above average in everything. And unfortunately for us, the first they want to be above average (and many times a lot) is height.
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what about fighting after LL ,its stupied but if you have to fight with somebody ,would you ready to be as good as you was before or you will look like defective?
We are not fighters but most of the times, the best way to win a fight is to look imposing so noone wants to fight with you.
And height with some good muscles especially in arms and back are enough for the majority of men to not want to fight you.
Although I am not considered tall, I have a relatively good height that with my muscles make me look enough bulk to not be picked for a fight.
I am not as fast or stable as before LL (and I think that has to do more with atl than LL itself) but I look way more imposing than before and if I become 5.11 I'll be much more imposing than now so I doubt that someone would want to fight me, for at least a not very important reason, so I really believe that even if you aren't stronger after LL, you look stronger and that will help you avoid a lot of fights.
After all, we are not in the jungle so I don't think that someone should care if he is not a so capable fighter after LL. After all, most people are not capable in fighting regardless if they did LL or not.
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I better tell all the women who picked me over taller guys that they didn't do what they were supposed to and go with the taller guy
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Not everyone, thankfully, is choosing everyone in relationships based on superficial qualities.
Plus, good looking people aren't necessarily superficial.
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I better tell all the women who picked me over taller guys that they didn't do what they were supposed to and go with the taller guy
You are the exception like I was too when I had 2 gorgeous girls with my preLL height.
But that doesn't mean that you will be always lucky to attract good looking women who don't care about height because it is the minority.
To have good chances with every woman and not the exceptions you should be above average in everything.
Especially in height accompanied with a good (not skinny or obese body). Then if you are at least average in other aspects you are on a good way. If you have also a good face and some social skills, then you are in a better position than at least 90% of men.
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Some logic here:
6'2 guy with a hot chick: His height is the reason why women are attracted to him and stuff it must be it
5'8 guy with a hot chick: Hurr durr luck lel hurr durr
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Some logic here:
6'2 guy with a hot chick: His height is the reason why women are attracted to him and stuff it must be it
5'8 guy with a hot chick: Hurr durr luck lel hurr durr
Some real logic.
A 6.2 ft good looking guy with a hot chick. Normal because this guy is above average in every aspect.
A 5.8 ft good looking guy with a hot chick. Less frequent because this guy lacks in height so he is beyond average in an (maybe the most) important aspect if man's look. But he doesn't lack so much to can't find a girl if he is good in everything else. However his job is much harder compared to a tall man.
A 5.5 ft good looking guy with a hot chick. Very rare because this lack of height is almost impossible to be compensated from the other aspects of this man. And even it is possible to find a girl who really care about him and doesn't carr about height, it is a very rare exception so it would have really hard time find a another one of they break up.
It is that simple.
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6.2 ft good looking guy with a hot chick. Normal because this guy is above average in every aspect.
Why are you assuming he is above average in every aspect just because he is 6'2?
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These threads amuse me.
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I really wonder where are all these infinite 6'2 guys cause I rarely see guys that tall
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I really wonder where are all these infinite 6'2 guys cause I rarely see guys that tall
New generation average height is 6'5 so 6'2 guys are everywhere.
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ahhhh so true . their sons will be 6'7
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Why are you assuming he is above average in every aspect just because he is 6'2?
Because he is tall and good looking. So in terms of looks he is above average in everything.
At the other hand, a good looking 5.8 man has a disadvantage of height so he is not above average on looks while the 5.5 guy, even if he is good looking he has a so big disadvantage that he can't compensate even if he is excellent in everything else.
So read more carefully what I write.
Tibike I didn't talk about 6.2 guys but for a 6ft guy. After all I don't believe that a 6.2ft has any advantage than a 6ft guy.
So I spoke about generally tall men compared to average and short men.
And there are plenty 6ft guys at least in my country. Thats why the average height of men is 1.78.
So that was the point of my above post. Tall vs average vs short.
Read more careful too.
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New generation average height is 6'5 so 6'2 guys are everywhere.
Pfft, more like 7 feet in the Midwest and some European countries. I'm 6'6" and feel so short walking around here, considering a foot on each segment so I'm in that sweet spot of 8 feet+ for picking up chicks.
On a more serious note, I've began to notice than many threads are ending up treading the line into being fully derailed into ridiculousness and more often than not Body Builder is involved - I'm not sure which I prefer, this or the inevitable Monegal arguments.
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682 the ridiculous thing is to not have any argument against what drtruman and I are saying about the importance of being more than average in height and talk bs about 7ft tall and all these that I never said.
So if you think that height is not so important, go in anold forum and not here where we talk about breaking our legs to gain a few inches more to become average height or a little more. Not 6.2 or 7ft. At least me and the majority of people here.
So speak seriously with arguments or don't speak at all.
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I share BodyBuilder's perspective.
I'm his same height (almost 5 feet 9), and I'm deep into dating and "seduction". Well, what I came to understand after years of wins and losses is that attraction clues all lead to aesthetics, directly or indirectly.
Height might be not enough, but makes everything easier.
You can surely argue that behaviour and attitude are major triggers for attraction, and I agree. But.. If we go back in time, let's say 40k years ago, who do you think that displayed those attractive behavioral features like dominance, confidence, boldness?
The bigger ones or the little?
What if one of the shortest in the "pack" tried to take the lead from the biggest? Who had more chances to win the fight?
Attitude is something that was usually "linked" to the fittest, so the brain evolved in ways that make ladies feel attraction for those behaviors.
Height, in dating and relationship, matters. A lot.
It's not all, but has two effects:
1) Enlarge dramatically your dating pool (taller girls, and sexier ones with higher "standards")
2) Makes everything easier. Provided you have decent looks, you passively attract girls. You don't need to "act", you automatically display dominance with your presence.
You can get hot girls even being average or below average. I am a bit below average, and I had some hot girls. But man, it's harder. You need to put in more work, and I clearly see (and they even told me) how some girls reject you for not being tall enough.
This is not a complaint. This is just the plain truth. You can believe it or not, just go out and experiment. Buy lifts, see how things change as you get "taller".
Easier. Height makes everything easier.
An there's no need to be very tall. Just above average.
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How many guys over 6 ft 2 all around the world do you think?
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I share BodyBuilder's perspective.
I'm his same height (almost 5 feet 9), and I'm deep into dating and "seduction". Well, what I came to understand after years of wins and losses is that attraction clues all lead to aesthetics, directly or indirectly.
Height might be not enough, but makes everything easier.
You can surely argue that behaviour and attitude are major triggers for attraction, and I agree. But.. If we go back in time, let's say 40k years ago, who do you think that displayed those attractive behavioral features like dominance, confidence, boldness?
The bigger ones or the little?
What if one of the shortest in the "pack" tried to take the lead from the biggest? Who had more chances to win the fight?
Attitude is something that was usually "linked" to the fittest, so the brain evolved in ways that make ladies feel attraction for those behaviors.
Height, in dating and relationship, matters. A lot.
It's not all, but has two effects:
1) Enlarge dramatically your dating pool (taller girls, and sxxier ones with higher "standards")
2) Makes everything easier. Provided you have decent looks, you passively attract girls. You don't need to "act", you automatically display dominance with your presence.
You can get hot girls even being average or below average. I am a bit below average, and I had some hot girls. But man, it's harder. You need to put in more work, and I clearly see (and they even told me) how some girls reject you for not being tall enough.
This is not a complaint. This is just the plain truth. You can believe it or not, just go out and experiment. Buy lifts, see how things change as you get "taller".
Easier. Height makes everything easier.
An there's no need to be very tall. Just above average.
I agree, being above average probably does have some sort of an effect but you shouldn't get too caught up with this height stuff.
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Because he is tall and good looking. So in terms of looks he is above average in everything.
At the other hand, a good looking 5.8 man has a disadvantage of height so he is not above average on looks while the 5.5 guy, even if he is good looking he has a so big disadvantage that he can't compensate even if he is excellent in everything else.
So read more carefully what I write.
I did and looks isn't every aspect. Only now you have written "in terms of looks".
On a more serious note, I've began to notice than many threads are ending up treading the line into being fully derailed into ridiculousness and more often than not Body Builder is involved - I'm not sure which I prefer, this or the inevitable Monegal arguments.
But muh height advantage hurr durr
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Being above average is better than being average. In other news the grass appears to be green
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Being above average is better than being average. In other news the grass appears to be green
Not if ur color blind
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I agree with body builder I noticed a huge increase in positive response when I started using lifts. Its like a fat person that gets skinnier will feel that people treat them better know. And like he said if you are on a level field with someone then height will give you a advantage. Thats why I feel the 5 8 and up guys get more from the surgery since the rest of you guys would be considered still to be short or barely avarage
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How many guys over 6 ft 2 all around the world do you think?
About 1%. max.
But why some of you keep mentioning 6.2 height again and again?
6ft are enough for every woman and 5.11 for like 90% of them, so there is no need for someone to be 6.2ft for any fking reason to be attractive.
@eyeswideshut: very well said. Height makes everything easier. No other aspect in a man's appearance plays a so significant role in terms of looks.
@Tibike: yes things about height are very simple. If you are tall you have a great benefit, if you are average (5.10,5 to 5.7) a small to bigger drawback (the more the distance from 5.10 the bigger the drawback) and if you are short things are very very hard.
But if they are so simple I can't see why we don't agree all with that and we keep arguing.
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I don't think people argue about whole "being taller makes it easier" thing here, they argue about statements like this:
Height is the most important aspect in a mans appearance that women value the most.
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I don't think people argue about whole "being taller makes it easier" thing here, they argue about statements like this:
Most people who are here definitely agree with that and that's way they plan to break their legs to achieve a bigger height.
After all if someone doesn't believe that height is so important, he must be crazy to want to do LL which is by far the most extreme cosmetic surgery in the world.
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There is a difference between something being "important", "so important", and "the most important".
Differentiate between those three concepts is important. Not the most important thing in the world, but important :P
You can believe it or not, just go out and experiment. Buy lifts, see how things change as you get "taller".
Do another experiment. Buy a mask, or some make up to make you look like horrible, and try to approach a girl. See how things change when you are ugly.
Pic related: "I'm 6'8, so I'm a p*ssy magnet according to some forum members. You mad, manlet?"
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QWr30uoSCrw/hqdefault.jpg)
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We are not fighters but most of the times, the best way to win a fight is to look imposing so noone wants to fight with you.
And height with some good muscles especially in arms and back are enough for the majority of men to not want to fight you.
Although I am not considered tall, I have a relatively good height that with my muscles make me look enough bulk to not be picked for a fight.
I am not as fast or stable as before LL (and I think that has to do more with atl than LL itself) but I look way more imposing than before and if I become 5.11 I'll be much more imposing than now so I doubt that someone would want to fight me, for at least a not very important reason, so I really believe that even if you aren't stronger after LL, you look stronger and that will help you avoid a lot of fights.
After all, we are not in the jungle so I don't think that someone should care if he is not a so capable fighter after LL. After all, most people are not capable in fighting regardless if they did LL or not.
So you have done LL? Where? And how was it? How much time did it take and how much did you pay? Did you have some problems?
I will do this only if I won't have any problems after.
Also I forgot to mention this in my OP:
My dad is (was when he was young) 180 cm and my mom is short only 155 cm. But I think I could be taller than what I am. In my teenage years I did everything I could (not intentionally) to stop my height increase... I was almost anorexic (I ate very little and was super skinny) exactly in the years of height growth then I did not sleep in the night which is when people grow. I used to sleep some hours in the afternoon. I was super stressed by schools and also I was bullied. So I think that my height could have been probably more. I think I could have reached my dad most likely.
This seems proved by my body ratio because I have a big head big hands big and long chest but SHORT LEGS. If I had longer legs i would look totally fine because I think that longer legs would fit the reSt of my body better than those I have.
Also if you want to suggest a GOOD doctor here in Europe (or Italy) which does LL in cases like mine or give me more informations of risks and troubles I will be thankful.
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Yes drtruman I did tibia LL and I went from 1.68 to 1.75,5 (morning height) and I have a problem of some weakness durimg walking due to at. lengthening I did which as I mentioned in other threads is a really bad decision that I didn't know before I did it.
But I plan to fix it with another surgery next month and I believe I will be totally fine after that.
But generally speaking I am ok.
But if you want more information you should read carefully the diaries here.
LL is a risk and noone can reassure you that you'll be completely fine after that.
But imo, if you go to a good doctor and lengthen wisely, it definitely worth the risk for people who are at least a little less than average height.
For anything else (like relatively tall guys to become very tall) it definitely doesn't worth of course.
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Yes drtruman I did tibia LL and I went from 1.68 to 1.75,5 (morning height) and I have a problem of some weakness durimg walking due to at. lengthening I did which as I mentioned in other threads is a really bad decision that I didn't know before I did it.
But I plan to fix it with another surgery next month and I believe I will be totally fine after that.
But generally speaking I am ok.
But if you want more information you should read carefully the diaries here.
LL is a risk and noone can reassure you that you'll be completely fine after that.
But imo, if you go to a good doctor and lengthen wisely, it definitely worth the risk for people who are at least a little less than average height.
For anything else (like relatively tall guys to become very tall) it definitely doesn't worth of course.
What was a bad decision? And on your personal opinion would it be worth the trouble for me (average tall in theory but always dreamt of being taller and always felt the small guy)?
Also I would like to know the names of best reputable medics in Europe or in general (but not the most expensive)
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What was a bad decision? And on your personal opinion would it be worth the trouble for me (average tall in theory but always dreamt of being taller and always felt the small guy)?
Also I would like to know the names of best reputable medics in Europe or in general (but not the most expensive)
The bad decision was achilles tendon lengthening surgery. If you read carefully the forum you will fing answers to everything you ask.
And yes, LL worths imo for anyone who doesn't like his height and is at max completely average height. So in your case I think that it worths but you should find a good doctor and lengthen no more than 5-6cm. You don't need more after all and it will be much easier and with normally less risks.
But you are the one who knows if you are really ready and determined enough to do it.
Personally, I am and I'll do one LL more to reach the relatively tall area where you never face any problem with your height again in any case. It truly worths for me. For other people my current height (about 5.9) would be enough to live happily.
So the choice to stay average or do the next step is completely up to us.
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New generation average height is 6'5 so 6'2 guys are everywhere.
This is very true. Better nutrition and pickier females make the new generation guys very tall. 6 feet is the new 5'7'', trust me.
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This is very true. Better nutrition and pickier females make the new generation guys very tall. 6 feet is the new 5'7'', trust me.
Then the "new 5.7" is the best height a man can have.
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Update: I did new measurement. I used to place a book on my head and take the measure. Then I realized that in my subconscious attempt to be taller I placed the book maybe slightly upward so that I took 1 cm. I did more accurate measures today with boxes which cannot but be perpendicular on my head and my afternoon/evening/real height is 176.5. If I stretch a lot I can achieve 177 cm. I took some measures in the morning and I was 177.5 most of the times but that is not the real height. The real height is in the afternoon on my opinion. So I don't even reach the 5'10 I hoped.
In the meantime I read some articles which talked about new generations height and it is official: recent studies on 18 yo italian guys say that the new average is 177.8 cm. Which is even more than average of 18 yo American guys (177.2 I think to remember). This confirmed my perception of new generations being taller than me. The 177.8 was an average of Italians guys of every part of Italy, with Southern Italians no doubt lowering the average being known to be shorter. Since I live in Central Northern Italy I think that that average here could be at least 1 cm more and if we go to northern Italy I think they overcome the 180 cm no doubt.
This would explain why I feel slightly shorter when comparing myself with other young guys... Because I am probably on average 2/3 cm less.
If you want to read the article it's Italian but it gives all sources: http://www.lastampa.it/2016/07/27/societa/abbiamo-superato-gli-americani-ma-soltanto-in-altezza-ZFTFUVSSB46dNOYO65WUzI/amphtml/pagina.amp.html
Also in my last meetings with girls met online I have noticed once again how height was the first thing they all noticed and mentioned. ALL girls mentioned height among the first sentences at least once, usually to say that I looked taller in pictures or to ask how tall was I (after having asked it other times in chat but they forgot). I smiled and pretended I did not care, but innerly I felt so frustrated. Mainly because I was using lifters inside the shoes (about 1.5/2 cm) and even with the lifters (thus 179 cm) I was considered "shorty". I wonder what they would have though if I did not even have them.